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A
What do you think makes the perfect snack?
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B
Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
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A
Could you be more specific when it's cravenient.
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B
Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just.
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A
A second at AM pm.
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C
I'm seeing a pattern here.
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B
Well yeah, we're talking about what I.
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A
Crave which is anything from AM pm.
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B
What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience AM PM Too much good stuff.
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A
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B
Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.
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A
This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.
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B
That does not interest me whatsoever.
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A
I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.
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B
There's a fakery bakery around here.
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A
Here's Kale and Lindsay.
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Good morning.
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B
Good morning, kitty cat.
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A
Welcome to Coffee Convist podcast. Can I pick a fight? Why do people leave toilet rolls in the bathroom like this? And you go to pee and you have nothing to wipe yourself with.
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B
That irks my soul. Or they just set it right on top of the holder and it's like you literally could change the I literally will go into a public establishment, use the bathroom and I will just change the role. Like I just do it.
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A
Like why do other people not do this? Also, I dated someone one time that told me that their.
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Ex wife.
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C
Put.
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A
The role like this and like instead of it coming from the top, she fed it where it came from the bottom. Does that make sense?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like over or under?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Bother me at all. I don't give a bothers me.
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A
Kristen said Corey does that. Like why like did your mom not teach you how to put it on, no, literally.
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B
It's so inferior because it's so stupid.
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A
Why does this look like this? Like, I'm just wondering, like, it looks like I have the ferret that I want that I don't have.
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B
The ferret did that.
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A
Like, what the is this?
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B
I don't want what is wiping my coochie to touch the floor. Yeah, but that doesn't matter if it comes from over, under. Like, no matter what direction.
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A
I. I don't. I will never understand why somebody would feed the toilet roll where you're, like, getting it this way.
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B
My kids in their bathroom have a toilet paper holder. It's, like, mounted to the wall and it's just a thing that goes like this. And then the toilet roll goes this way.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
So.
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A
And so they're going that way.
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B
Yeah, they just pull it out like this. So it's like. Maybe that's the solution is everybody just does that.
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A
Can we also just discuss, like, with children, why sometimes you go into a bathroom and it looks like there's, like, on the toilet lid? Like, why does that happen? Like, why was your butthole not aimed? Like, how did it get there?
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B
I think when they, like, scoot off, it, like, comes, like, goes on the lid. All I know, yesterday when Creed was shitting, he used a brand new unopened pack of dude wipes and used every single wipe inside the brand new container. And they were all in the trash can.
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A
Oh, with. On them.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Oh, yeah. No, I use flushable wipes. And it's probably not great for the pipes.
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B
You know, if it says they're flushable and there's not some. If. If it ends up not being great for the pipes, you know where to go.
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A
They're getting flushed. If I went into the bathroom and saw that there was. Oh, this is a psychopath thing that I do. I don't have. I do not have trash cans in my bathroom.
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B
Why.
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A
Why do we need to do that? Like, why do we need to have trash cans in the bathroom? Like, why can't tampons. No, I'm bringing my tampon stick with, like, the sleeve over it and I'm bringing it to my kitchen trash can.
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B
Why?
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A
Because. Why does that need to be just, like, hanging out and marinating in the bathroom for that long? I take the trash out in my kitchen every single day, like, at night before I go to bed. Why do we need to just let, like, bloody tampons and marinate?
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B
Listen, then what I'm about to say is about to rock your world. Because you're going to be disgusted with me from the time I get my period, okay. Until the time it ends. I'm not changing the bathroom trash because I might as well just wait. Like, it's just all kinds of bloody products. So I'm not going to change that a hundred times. Just.
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A
That doesn't bother you at all?
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B
I mean, yeah, I don't love it, but what is the. Like I have two trash cans in my bathroom. I have a full size one, like the size that you would keep in your bathroom with a lid. And I put kitchen trash bag size trash bags in it. And that's the other thing. Please do not fucking come around me. And you don't put liners in your trash bags. I don't care if it's a one gallon trash bag. Put a fucking liner in it. I do not want to pick shit off the bottom of a trash can.
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A
I hate that shit.
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B
Like hotels do it and I'm like, okay, I get it because saving money and the environment, but like also people are disgusting in hotels. And like, like put a bag in it. Like literally put a bag in it. So I have a little tiny trash can next to the toilet because my, my master bathroom. When you walk into the bathroom, the toilet area has a door and I have a trash can in there for like tampon products and stuff. But I'm like, there's literally no sense in changing it because every single day there's going to be bloody products in there. So when I have my period, which is coming, I'm not changing it for like three, four days until it slows down enough because I would be changing it every single day.
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A
But then I, I am so afraid of like bugs and germs and shit like that that a trash can in a bathroom literally sends me over the edge.
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B
Like it's going to attract bugs.
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A
Yeah. Like for example, Gatorade, like Gatorade bottles or something. We know that if there's a trash can that's in the bathroom and somebody's had a Gatorade in a bedroom, they're likely going to put it in the trash can in the bathroom. So are bugs gonna come? Like, I would lose sleep. I am telling you right now, I probably need to go to a psychiatrist. But like, I would lose sleep knowing that there was trash in the bathroom.
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B
Here's a couple solutions. You could get trash cans that have lids. You can also get trash cans that have lids and then put them under the cabinet. So it's like all like further barriers that the bugs probably wouldn't smell them. But also, I personally have never had a bug problem from having trash cans in the bathroom.
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A
It's probably never gonna happen. It is like a irrational fear. Fear, like there's going to get bugs there. And I just don't understand, like, I don't want to walk around the house and clean out trash cans every single day. I just clean out my main trash can every single day. And that's it. Everything goes into the main trash can.
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B
Is your bathroom upstairs?
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A
Like my master bath? Yeah. So, like, if I'm on my period, I will take my, like, okay, let's say, for example, I changed my tampon in the middle of the night. I will put the sleeve, like back over it, probably put it on my counter when I wash my hands. And then if I don't want to come downstairs, I will take it down there in the morning. But, like, it's not staying in the bathroom.
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B
But it stayed in the bathroom overnight. So for that you might as well just put a trash can in there.
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A
I know, but then I would have to clean out the trash can in the morning. Like, this is a kill. This is a whole thing. Like, we would break up. Oh, like, we would absolutely break up. I also never understood, like, the Diaper Genie, like, type situation.
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B
I never got behind the Diaper Genie.
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A
Like, why are we concealing diapers for weeks?
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B
Although. So we have. I have a black stone, like the thing that you can do, like homemade hibachi and stuff on grill. We have that outside and then next to that we have a trash can. Like a full size trash can. Not like a dumpster trash can, but like a kitchen. Like an ounce or one.
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I don't care. Rain or shine. I throw the diapers in there. Like I go out, out back on the porch and throw the diapers away outside.
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A
So what I used to do with diapers was, you know, like the grocery bags.
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B
Yep.
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A
The plastic ones.
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B
Delaware doesn't have them anymore. You can't trash bags or plastic grocery bags in Delaware anymore.
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A
That's so wild. Everything about your state's wild. But that's one of the wildest things that I've ever heard. I would be pissed off. I. I would use those and put the diapers in that and then put it in my main trash can and then take that out every single day.
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B
Yeah. Just so that the smell and everything is concealed inside of the bag.
- [10:16]
A
The Diaper Genie people are like a specific, like, cluster of folks, you know?
- [10:22]
B
Oh, I can't even imagine smell just like fermenting in a Room.
- [10:27]
A
You want to talk about me? Am I?
- [10:30]
B
Oh, yeah. I for sure do.
- [10:32]
A
Okay. So, not going to tell you who, but the text that I just got. Just finished a meeting. Going to go work out really quick. Do you want to have lunch? Have to put together a presentation. Then the following text message that I receive. Are we stupid for this?
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B
Like, the fact I was that, too.
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A
No, it's not. It's not him. The fact that we have to ask, are we stupid for this? We absolutely have lost our fucking minds. Nope, not that one, either.
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B
What?
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A
Yep.
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B
Wait, so are you going to do it?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah, I am. I am going to do it.
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A
Yeah. But why? Why are just, like, relationships so hard?
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B
Relationships are. They're so hard.
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A
Kristen said Kale's living vicariously. The look in her eyes.
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B
Because this was me once upon a time. And I just. You know what? I love this for you, because the difference is that you're not having babies with all of yours. And so it's more fun that way.
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A
You know, I think that having a baby might quite literally be the last thing that would wipe me off the face of this planet. So definitely need to be careful in that area of life, because I'm not prepared in any way, shape, or form to do that at any time, actually.
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B
Same like.
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A
However. However, I have to tell you that I was not home last night.
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B
Where were you?
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A
Somewhere. I was somewhere. I was at someone's house.
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B
Same person and.
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A
The same person. And I got caught this morning.
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B
Oh.
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A
By my child.
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B
Oh. Location.
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A
Yep.
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B
Isn't it crazy how, like, our relationship with our kids just change as time goes on? It's like they start to, like, infiltrate, like, places, places that we specifically kept them out of. And then they, like, on. And they know what's going on, and then they figured everything out.
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A
But, like, I don't feel like we were like that as kids, were we?
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B
I wasn't. But also, you have to consider that, like, there wasn't cell phones with locations. There wasn't really cell phones. There was. If your parents said they were going somewhere, you believed it. And you maybe had the phone number to call that place, but if not, you just waited until they came home.
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A
We are truly breeding the nosiest generation of children.
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B
And what's so interesting is that on one side, it's, like, completely justified. Like, we'll be like, well, we have to have your location because we need to know where you are, and we need to make sure you're safe. And there's this and there's that, and then on the Other side. It's like, no, they're really nosy. Like, it's just. There is no real justification. They're just nosy.
- [13:33]
A
No, when I tell you my child is so nosy that my text messages are attached to my laptop, he will come home from school and I will find him all up in my text messages.
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B
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B
What?
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A
Yeah, and just like logging into Will's Gmail on my phone, like on my frickin phone, and I'm like, feels illegal.
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B
Wait, why does he know the password? Like, he just knows them?
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A
Yeah, he just knows them. Like, okay, are you the type of person that has the same password for like everything?
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B
No, I used to be that person and now I have a whole fucking spreadsheet of passwords because I can't remember all the crazy fucking passwords I use because my kids were figuring them out.
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A
Okay, so I also have a spreadsheet of passwords, but mine are like basically all the same password with possibly one variation. Yeah, because I've forgotten the password or it said it's wrong so I had to like change it, but I changed it to something that is almost like identical to that Kristen said. Let's not. Do you want to get hacked?
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B
Like, passwords are crazy. No one will ever.
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A
No one's gonna. No one's gonna know. No one's ever gonna know. Like, no, that's just the bottom line. Nobody's ever gonna figure it out. But Will.
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That guy has had the same password to everything since he got a bank account. Like since online banking became a thing. He has had this same password, like for his email for any social media, like, whatever. I could hack that man right now.
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B
Listen, I have an ex like that, and he's lucky I haven't got into it now.
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Lucky I haven't tried to hack him in, hack into his stuff.
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A
You're like, I will see all of your text messages. Like, I actually have zero business. We're talking about having nosy kids, but we're the nosiest that I know.
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B
Oh, truly? Truly. But wait, I. When I was scrolling over the. Over the weekend on TikTok University.
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A
Yes.
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B
That's where I learned everything. Came across this lady, this woman, and she was telling her story about how she was hiking or running in California, and she watched an influencer set up a tripod, pretend to run, pretend to go on this hike, and then literally fold up her tripod, get in her car, and leave. How do we feel about that? Because we talked about.
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A
I saw this video, and I'm pretty sure she said that the girl, like, was describing, like, what the girl looked like and said that she was driving a Tesla or something.
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B
Didn't she? Kristen, can you play the video?
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A
I'm pretty sure if we're talking about the same video.
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B
Well, I just think it's funny because it's like, ltk. We talked about going in a dressing room, trying on an outfit, not buying it and linking it.
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A
I know it pisses me off.
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B
It doesn't bother me, but this, I feel, like, bothers me. I've never witnessed this before in my life, but I just did.
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A
I just saw a girl. I'm at a really hard trail, by the way, like, a really, really hard one. And she pulls up in a Tesla. As I'm finishing my run, she pulls up.
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B
She sets up a fucking tripod at the trailhead as if she was, like, finishing her thing and, like, showing off her outfit. Like, did the little, like, kick your foot up?
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A
She had long hair.
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B
Brown, brown, long hair. It was, like, perfect. She was, like, wearing, like, kind of.
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A
Workout clothes, but she clearly wasn't working out. And I'm like.
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B
And then she drove away. She showed up, set up her tripod.
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A
Did a little get ready with me.
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B
Kind of like, let's go hike. And then she left. I'm floored that. And then here I am. I just did 10 miles with 3,300, 3,400ft of climbing.
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A
I've already figured out why.
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B
This pieces you off why.
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A
Okay, so remember, like, way back when when we were talking about, like, these curated photo shoots and there being couches, like, in a field or a Farm. And you're like, why would that like ever make sense? Right? Yeah, it's kind of giving that, like, it's just for. It's just like strictly for the photo. And like, it really pisses me off. Like, some influencers really piss me off.
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B
I have such a love hate relationship with all of like the influencers and content creators because Kristen and I have gone through so many conversations about like, what category I like trying to find my place on these platforms in the world we live in today. Like, am I a content creator? Am I an influencer? Am I a girl who is just on tv? And we've come to the conclusion that I'm a girl that was just on tv. I'm not, I don't fall into either category of influencer or content creator. But with that being said, I do consume social media and so I am influenced. I follow comfort creators and things like that. But also knowing what goes into content creation, I always wonder who is genuine and who is not. Because when you are talking about someone's livelihood and like you're influencing what they do and what, you know, they're looking to you for comfort and guidance and you're just blatantly lying about, you know, maybe they look to you as like a workout inspiration. Maybe they're looking at what you're doing and they really believe in this and they want to do it and you're inspiring to do that and only to find out that you never did that trailer, like, that's upsetting.
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A
It's the lack of transparency, I think. Like, if you're trying to get a cute photo. Okay, but like, as somebody that probably would have done the trail and if I looked like the girl that was on that video just now and she looks like she's done a full blown workout and someone's out there with fresh blown out hair extensions and a full face of makeup and being a poser. I'm pissed.
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B
Yeah, because, and, and I know that some people will argue, well, regardless of that person, they still inspired you and you still did the work. And it's like, yeah, no doubt. But like, who, who do we believe at this point? Like, who, what do we, how do we. At what point do we draw the line and then who. How do we decide who we believe if we don't even know, like, if they're being honest about what they're doing?
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A
So I actually had a conversation with Kristen not too long ago about like moving into 2026. And you and I basically grew up with social media, specifically Instagram, being Like this curated, like mapped out situation. And I think a lot of people like have not moved away from that. And it's been very hard for me to do that as well because aesthetically, like, I like something to look a certain way, but no longer now for me, at the expense of it not being real.
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B
I don't feel like you ever posted stuff that like, wasn't real.
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A
Yeah, but it's like, remember like back in like my photography days, like when I used to like love to take family photos and.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so, yes, I would like hire a professional photographer and like do that. But it was genuinely because I wanted the family photos and I was just like sharing them with everyone else. But I very much feel like a lot of people that are in the influencing space, it's just like this vibe of. It's not obtainable. No, I think that we have to move away from that.
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B
I mean even Avery Woods, Emily Kaiser, people like that have, I want to know, like, what do they do on a day to day basis, like without the edits?
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A
What do you mean? Like, like what they're doing at their house.
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B
Like, what do you, like, what are you, what do you do? Like, are you working out? Are you doing this? Are you. I don't know what, I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess maybe because I don't really follow, like, I'm not following workout people to like, learn how to work out. I'm not following people for like the stuff they have. Like, I mainly get sweeped up by like Facebook marketing on like items. Like, I don't know, like, I. I don't know what I'm trying to say. It's so weird. Like the whole content creator influencer space, like all of it is so weird. But it is a little bit frustrating for me because it's like, okay, you go pretend that you're doing this trail and you're, you know, showing off your workout outfit to hopefully get a couple commissions off of the, off of the outfit. You don't, you don't.
- [23:05]
A
But it's like, why can't we just take a picture like in our mirror?
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B
No, literally doing. Just put the workout set on.
- [23:12]
A
Yeah. And link it.
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B
You don't have to pretend you worked out to sell the workout outfit. If it's cute, people will buy it.
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A
And I think that that's my biggest problem with stuff like that because even like a day in the life, like, I feel like you're so good about it. Like you just take like little snapshots of what's going on in your life. And for me to do that, I'm not.
- [23:37]
B
I have a hard time with that because I have had a really hard. Like I was saying before, like, having a really hard time. And like, where I am in the creator space is like, I've tried my day in the lives, and they do not hit the same way that other people's day in the lives. And it's surprise. It's a little surprising to me because I do have seven kids, I have a million jobs. I. You can't. I don't have the same day twice. There's never a same day two days in a week. And so, like, trying to figure out how to do that and, like, show people what it's like or. I don't know, like, maybe. Maybe it's because I don't have anything to offer with the sub. Like, the day in the life. Like, it's not like I'm showing you something that is, like, new or, like, innovative or, like, I don't know. Mine. Mine just don't hit the same way other people's do.
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A
I mean, I just.
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B
I could never.
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A
If I'm doing stuff, it's like, I'm legitimately doing it, so I'm not walking around with my phone cleaning baseboards and videoing it. You know what I mean? Like, I wish I could get better at doing stuff like that because I do think that there is a space for, like, cleaning hacks and like. Like that. But things that are. Are usable for people, right? Like, not just, like, doing it to just take a video. What I will tell you is really fun is doing packing videos, and it actually helps you pack.
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B
I see. I've tried that too. I think that I'm just not. I don't know. And it's weird because when I left Teen Mom, I got out of the space of filming regularly.
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Like, I had so many conversations about coming back to the show or doing my own show. I had. I was under contract to do my own show. And when I really sat and thought about it, I was like, I'm no longer in that headspace now at the end of 2025, after the fuck year that I had.
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I am not. It's almost like I'm not in the space to create quality content. I'm so far removed from it at this point. So that's been really challenging for me to accept, is that I am not somebody who people look to for social media content. And that makes me question, who am I? What am I worth? What do I have to offer people, what can I do now?
- [25:57]
A
I mean, it's. It's hard because it almost is like a rebirth, right? Like, you. You're going to be going through a rebirthing process of your whole life and sitting yourself down and being like, okay, what is it that, like, I want to provide? Like, you have to think about stuff from a consumer standpoint, right? Like, what do people want to see? Things that help them, things that are positive. Like, I feel like people listen to podcasts. If they're listening to, like, podcasts like this.
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They'Re listening. Kristin made a good point. People like to see problems so that they can be able to relate to them. People don't want to see just all the good stuff all the time.
- [26:38]
B
And the problem with that is that my kids are old enough now. I can't talk about certain problems. There's two ideas that I really want to work on going into 2026, which is showing people.
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How much I'm spending on groceries as a family of nine, what we're cooking regularly. That's something I want to work on in 2026. Something that I have been like, those.
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A
Are, like, very relatable things that other people are going through, right? And I taking it back to, like, the hiking video. I don't relate to that at all. And, like, I don't want running bakery. Bakery. Like, I don't like that at all.
- [27:21]
B
No.
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A
Like, what the are we doing out here?
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Kristen said, who the is hiking in 2025?
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B
Like, I'm crying in my bed. I'm in the. In the cave that Joe said I belong in in 2011. That's right.
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A
That is where you are. Okay.
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B
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I saw this article and it was talking about teacher is pumping breast milk while teaching and what her students had to say before we get into this, like, how do you feel about breastfeeding in public? Because I've never had an issue with it, but I have seen so many people, like, just out and about, like, if it's a mom in a restaurant or I've seen a mom in a mall and people walking by and, like, gawking or saying, like, she needs to cover up or whatever. Like, my kids shouldn't be exposed to that. How do you feel?
- [29:46]
B
Boobs were meant to feed babies. If you are uncomfortable with my boob feeding my baby, I do not give a fuck. That is a you problem. That's not a me problem. One time, Kale took me to a breastfeeding group. I had never in my life seen more titties in one place. And I was vibing facts like, I, I was in a breastfeeding group because I struggled with breastfeeding. Lincoln, if someone is sexualizing boobs, whether it's a man, a man, or a woman, I, I truly don't care. That's a you problem. I. I really don't care. I don't care. I would not cover up when I breastfed either, because why should I be uncomfortable? My baby's basically suffocating to try to eat, and now you want me to put a hot cover over the both of us. So I'm sweating, you know, he's sweating. We're uncomfortable. It's one more fucking thing. I'll tell you. My cousin had me go sit in the. In her bedroom at her own house because she didn't want me to breastfeed around her husband. And to me, I. Like, I can't. I personally cannot understand.
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A
I would never be offended if you had a baby, because the likelihood of you having a baby versus me having a baby is far greater.
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If you came to my house and Jackson was here and you needed to breastfeed your child in no way, shape, or form would that be uncomfortable for you to pull your titty out.
- [31:12]
B
I just don't. Like. I remember when I was young and we were. My mom's husband at the time took us to, I want to say, Seaside, New Jersey, or Wildwood, New Jersey, something like that. My mom's husband, Jim, we were walking on the beach, and all the adults in front of me and Jim's niece were talking about somebody was in a bikini while they were pregnant, and they were, like, mortified. I mean, this was, like, early 2000s. But now it's a trend to, like.
- [31:47]
A
I feel like it, like, wasn't.
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As acceptable just because nobody was doing it back in that time. But now I feel like the way people are styling bumps and stuff today, I think is so, so cute for the bump to just be, like, out.
- [32:03]
B
Yeah, I love it. I love it. And honestly, the same thing goes for, like, breastfeeding. Like, I don't care if you take family pictures breastfeeding. Like, I don't care. Like, to me, that is so cool. And you're giving your baby the. The best the thing that you can.
- [32:20]
A
That was.
- [32:23]
B
What did he say about a countertop?
- [32:24]
A
He said, you need to be extra strong tomorrow so you can help me move this countertop.
- [32:29]
B
What. What is he doing? Renovation.
- [32:31]
A
His own renovations, honey. Okay, well, renovations.
- [32:35]
B
Taking before and after picks or what?
- [32:37]
A
Oh, yeah, I. I have them. Will should not be doing renovations at all, okay. Because now he needs me to help him move a countertop, and I'm all of 105 pounds.
- [32:48]
B
I would love to see the before and afters.
- [32:52]
A
Do you want me to take a video of us moving this countertop? Yes.
- [32:55]
B
I need you to selfie style, put it on a tripod. I need to see it. Okay, let's talk about people coming back, okay? Because the same thing occurred to me this morning, not with an ex, but with a former friend. And it's so interesting to me. Someone can read you for fudgeing filth and basically just rip you to shreds to turn around and come back.
- [33:17]
A
It's like, what were you thinking? Like, you should have thought about that and you loving our friendship or relationship or whatever. It is. You should have thought about all of that before you're now doing what you're currently doing.
- [33:29]
B
Like, people always spin the block.
- [33:32]
A
Like, that is wild work.
- [33:34]
B
Always spinning the block.
- [33:36]
A
Somebody did that to you?
- [33:37]
B
Yes.
- [33:38]
A
Did you respond? No.
- [33:41]
B
If we're gonna do this again, why did we break up in the first place?
- [33:44]
A
No, it's just, like, they're bored, so.
- [33:47]
B
But, like, that bad of a person if they're trying to spin back around.
- [33:52]
A
Like, are we. We're. You know what? 20, 25 might take us out. Okay. So this article was talking about this teacher going viral for pumping breast milk while she's teaching in her class. And it says that her students respond with maturity and respect, helping to normalize breastfeeding in everyday life. I feel like that. That really, like, speaks to our society.
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B
Growing, I think, when you make things normal, like, when you just do them as if they're normal.
- [34:21]
A
Yes.
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B
That is. One sets the standard and two, like, it really is a teaching moment. And I'm sorry that if a parent is offended by that, I. I'm not sorry. Like, I don't feel bad. I'm not here to justify it or, like, make you feel better about it if she's pumping.
- [34:40]
A
These also were not, like, elementary school kids. These were high school kids. So I'm like, let's be realistic here. If we've been through sex ed classes and all that, why does it matter at that point? Like, we know what's going on.
- [34:57]
B
I agree with you. I completely agree. I mean, my kids know what breastfeeding is right now. And I was so surprised the other day. Valley. Valley has this one. They're twins, actually. Twin dolls. One's a boy and one's a girl. We got them from Target. So if anyone's looking for twin babies and she carries the boy around as if it's her son, I.
- [35:19]
A
That's so funny.
- [35:20]
B
She picked the baby up a certain way, and I. I looked at my friend, and I was like, I just know she's about to breastfeed this baby. Like, she's. I'm just. I felt it, but she didn't. And I. I would have been so, like, excited and encouraging of that because it's like, yeah, like, that is normal. And, like, if we just normalize things like that from the beginning of time, there would be no controversy by the time these kids get into high school and they see it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know.
- [35:45]
A
And it's like, live with the mentality of, like, why do we give a fudge what somebody else is doing? Like, if it doesn't involve you, don't involve yourself.
- [35:54]
B
Here's the thing. If you don't want to see it, you can look another way. Yep. I know it sounds crazy, but wild. Literally, look, the other concept.
- [36:05]
A
You know what I mean?
- [36:06]
B
The other way when you're. When your husband's cheating on you, but you won't look the other way when someone's breastfeeding in front of you.
- [36:12]
A
Yeah, that's pretty up. Dude.
- [36:15]
Do the Rio. What's that?
- [36:18]
B
Rio always goes, what's that? What's that sound? And it's like, it's just somebody breastfeeding. Oh, all right.
- [36:26]
A
That's so cute. Wait, can we talk about kids? Like, playing with stuff? Because I think it is the most fascinating thing to watch little kids play. And it's probably very fascinating for you because you have two that are the same age that probably play very differently.
- [36:41]
B
So differently. Like, Verse has no interest in baby dolls. And at first, Valley didn't really either. But I don't know if it's just, like, the more she get, like, people gift them to her for her birthday. I don't know if it's like, the more she sees them. She decided to pick them up and play with them. But she carries these babies around like they are her children.
- [36:59]
And then verse, he's just like, a very, like, mechanical person, a mechanical little guy. So he always wants to, like, fix stuff or, like, put stuff inside of other things. And then Rio is just. Oh, my God. Just dinosaurs and airplanes all day, every day. And then also he just stomps through the house like he, like, fucking. It's so fascinating to me. It really, like, to your point, like, it really is so fascinating how different. Just people in general. I want to know why your family does that. Tradition. I want to know. Like, do y' all yell at each other? Who gets in trouble? How do your parents discipline you? Like, I want to know all the things.
- [37:37]
A
Again, that's us being nosy. Because I want to know the same stuff about everybody, too. And it's like, what business do I have to know that information? Like, I legitimately don't, but I don't.
- [37:48]
B
Want to talk about it. I'm just fascinated. Like, how. Or even, like, okay, this is going to be really weird, and I hope that nobody, like, reads into it too much. I want to know the ins and outs of your previous relationship. Like, how did you decide to do finances that way? Like, what. How did you guys decide who was Going to cook and who was not. How did you guys decide? Like, do you get what I mean? Like, I want to know, and I'm.
- [38:13]
A
Not asking because how did you get, like, where you're at?
- [38:16]
B
Literally? Like, I. And I just want to know, how did you guys get there? Like, did you guys have, like, it was whoever was home cooked first. How did you guys, like, who did the grocery shopping? Did you guys go together? Did you go separate? How did you guys split the finances? Did you guys. One of you guys pay the rent and the other guy. The other one paid their utility? Like, how did it, like, explain everything? I want to know.
- [38:38]
A
Listen, I feel like knowing stuff about other people's relationship. Like, I don't want to just know it, like, to talk about it. I want to know because I'm like, is there something that I have done wrong that maybe they have, right? Because they seem, like, somewhat normal and more functioning than what I was. So I'm like, what? What is it that they're doing?
- [39:00]
B
Especially when there's, like, a pay discrepancy. Like, to me, a percentage makes more sense because it's equal, because we're both contributing 20%.
- [39:10]
A
No, see, the percentage thing definitely makes sense to me. Like, I've never understood, okay, I am probably gonna get raked over the coals for this, but, like, I don't understand the. What did you just raked over the coals?
- [39:25]
B
I've never heard that in my life. Wait, what?
- [39:29]
A
I've never understood, like, in a marriage to have separate finances, but you're all paying for the same. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it doesn't matter what way it's coming out. Like, why are we separating all the things now? I do. I do think that it's, like, good for you to have, like, a little kitty, you know, for the things that you specifically want to do. So for me, it would be like, nails, facials, hair, Pilates, stuff like that. For somebody else, it's probably, like, their gym membership and, I don't know, going to the bar. I have no idea. Based off of my history.
- [40:09]
I don't understand separating the finances in the, like, paying each other.
- [40:14]
B
I'm also fascinated by that. I know a couple.
- [40:19]
Terribly miserable couple, but they.
- [40:23]
Miserable? No, no. Very miserable couple. And that may have something to do with it, or maybe it doesn't. Maybe before, when they were happy, it was the same way. I don't know. Two children. One parent pays for everything of that child, and the other parent pays for everything of that child. And Then they split things. Like, for example, like a birthday party. They might go havesies, or depending on which child it's for. One parent might pay for the whole thing. But they're. They're married.
- [40:52]
A
I just don't see how that makes sense.
- [40:55]
B
I don't see how the entire relationship makes sense.
- [40:58]
A
Like, honestly, it's none of my business.
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B
And it's not mine either.
- [41:01]
A
Other people's finances and the way they do stuff is not our business. It's just, like, fascinating. Let's make it make sense. Okay. For example, when I was married, like, we had one account that all the money went into, and, like, it wasn't like, oh, Lindsay paid for this, or, like, Will paid for this. It was just. It got paid.
- [41:22]
B
He literally don't. I don't get it.
- [41:25]
A
Am I making sense?
- [41:27]
B
No. Yes. Like, same. I just. It's so fascinating to me, and I. It's not my business. It absolutely is not. But it's fascinating. Like, I'm. I think the example that I just gave, I judge a little bit because I'm like, what the. All right, y'.
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A
All.
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B
We have recently talked about mattresses, our favorite mattresses. But I'm gonna elaborate more and talk about pajamas. And what we wear to bed actually affects the quality of our sleep at this age. Lindsay and I are both in a place where we want to quality of sleep, which includes what we wear. Skims has the best pajamas. I literally feel like I'm wearing butter on my body. I got the two new sleep sets from skims pajamas, and I'm obsessed with them.
- [42:07]
A
I also got one of the same sleep sets that you got, and conveniently, we got it in the same color. I was wearing it all of Thanksgiving weekend. I feel like it is one of the most comfortable pajamas and skims Pajama offerings are for skims. Pajamas has offerings for women, men's kids, pets. Skims pajamas have offerings for women, men's kids, and pets. Like, you guys need to go on there and shop, because I feel like just having something that makes you feel like you're put together kill. I actually sent you a photo of me sitting on my couch on Thanksgiving in my skim set, and I just felt like, you know, I was that girl.
- [42:44]
B
Oh, I love it. I just got the cypress green sleep set and then the light heather gray. I love them so much, I had to get two colors.
- [42:53]
A
I love it. This is y'. All. Sign to shop your favorite pajamas@skims.com. after you place your order, be sure to let them know that we Sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. If you are looking for the perfect gifts for everyone on your list, the Skims Holiday shop is now open@skims.com. i do think that it's true, though, that a lot of people deal with, like, different types of spending habits, like, with their partners. Like, maybe somebody has a gambling issue, or maybe somebody has, like, an excessive spinning issue, and one person's making this and another person's making that, and they put it all in one pot, and then it gets, like, gambled away. Like, I can see why people would separate finances in a situation like that. Like, I'm just talking about, like, the general normal people who do normal. Why are we separating it out?
- [43:46]
B
That's why I'm saying it is like, Kristen, can you. You're married. You are currently married, and you're in a happy, committed, healthy relationship. Y' all own a house. Can you please tell us how you and Corey do your finances?
- [44:00]
C
Absolutely. So Corey and I came into the relationship and moved in together when we were just dating. And at that time, he had his own accounts, I had my own accounts. We started a joint checking account at that time, and we were both putting in everything that was needed for bills, food, going out, all of those things. Basically, we were putting it. So basically. Essentially everything. Almost everything we made was going in there.
- [44:26]
B
You guys put both of your paychecks in there?
- [44:29]
C
Yeah, so. Well, no, we didn't have our payments go there, but we put money in to cover all of the crap. So essentially, same difference. He missed paying his car payment the first month we moved in together.
- [44:42]
B
Wait, wait, wait. Did you, like, each put in, like, if the bill was $100, did you each put in 50 or you basically put in your entire checks?
- [44:50]
C
We put in basically our entire checks minus whatever we designated to our own savings accounts.
- [44:56]
B
Okay, so joint checking.
- [44:58]
C
Yeah, so we. Exactly. So Corey also had his own checking at that time. So did I. From, like, just having money before coming into living together.
- [45:08]
B
Yep.
- [45:08]
C
He was insistent on his car pay. Like, he could take care of his own car payment. Whatever, whatever. I didn't have a car payment. So he did. So he missed paying the car payment the first month we moved in together. I said, that's it. We're fucking done now. It's joint, and I don't care. And he was like, thank God. Like, I don't want to do this again. So at that point, he closed all his accounts. I moved him over to, like, my Accounts and everything is. Has been joint from there on. So all of our money goes into the same account and it just gets divvied out at that time. We have, like, parameters on, like, don't spend over a certain amount of money unless it's holidays without checking with the other person, whether that be on your credit card or straight out of the checking. We are big people who, like, put everything on credit cards to get points and we pay the credit cards off. Like, that's what we do. So that's what we do. And we've just been joint. And people think it's so weird. Like, his friend group thinks it's insane.
- [46:00]
B
No.
- [46:01]
A
That y' all are joint because they.
- [46:03]
C
Don'T do it that way.
- [46:04]
B
But that makes sense to me because at the point that you are sharing, you. You live in the same house. Like, you all own it.
- [46:12]
C
We have a joint house account, too. With my mom, I knew that.
- [46:16]
B
Which I love. But to your point, about, like, the car payment and stuff, like, at the end of the day when you're married, and I'm not talking about all relationships, but like, specifically when you're married and you've already made that commitment, if he misses a car payment, it does kind of affect you as the wife or vice versa. Right. Like, if I missed a car payment, it's going to affect my partner, and I might have to ask them for help anyway. So to me, that makes sense. Like, okay, we have separate savings because, you know, my financial advisor and Kristen have always told me to make sure I have six months of savings to cover all my bills, whatever. I'm never going to dip into that account. But, like, separate to that, like, if you miss a car payment, I don't. I don't want my partner to miss a car payment. And what the fuck does it matter if it comes out of my money or your money if we're together and in this for the long haul?
- [47:03]
A
But I think a lot of people don't think like that. I think that's why people separated out. I think that we all are on the same playing field when it comes to this. And other people are like, no, if you miss your car payment, that's your responsibility and not mine, and I'm not paying for that. Like, I guess none of us. What it sounds like in a relationship are financially want to be greedy.
- [47:27]
C
Yeah.
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B
That also can come with, like, privilege or financial literacy where some people don't have the resources to have that. But, like, I'm thinking about bigger picture, right? When I did marriage boot Camp. There was one drill, and it's. To this day, I swear to God, it changed my perception of everything. Javi and I are throwing balls, medicine balls, back and forth, back and forth. And they're heavy, right? And ultimately you argue. Argue. Are you argue whoever ends up with the ball. Fine, whatever. I'll take the blame for this. Even though it wasn't my fault. The end of the night, we both had balls and we both had to carry them up a hill together at the end of the day in a relationship like, I'm not talking about, oh, we've dated for six months. That's not what I'm talking about. So don't comment in here saying that I'm talking. The committed relationships, the marriages, all of the things. Your baggage becomes my baggage. So if you miss your car payment once, twice, four times, it becomes my problem. So at that point, put the money together in one account and you can still have separate savings. Like, I don't understand why it has to be harder than that. And I will be so curious to see what people comment because I know they create threads in our Facebook group. I want to hear what people have to say about it because there has to be something that we're missing. Like, we must be missing something.
- [48:46]
A
We've got to be missing something because we're all thinking the exact same thing. But I already know that the thread's gonna be long and it's gonna be wild and we're gonna be told that we're wrong.
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B
Yeah, no doubt.
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A
Like, I already know this. I just feel like, okay, looking back on it, we did have a savings account that certain of my income went to, and that was more for, like saving for, like, vacations and stuff. Right. So, like, all of our vacation stuff would be paid out of that specific savings account. But every bill, car payment.
- [49:20]
Membership to something, whatever came out of a joint account. Kristen said my parents did the same shit. They had one checking and multiple joint. Different types of savings. Yes.
- [49:32]
C
I also just pro tip here. If you all ever get married again or are in long term relationships. Corey and I just broke down and made a joint email account so that we could transfer all of our subscriptions to that account. God forbid. Basically, it's really for him because if I die, he's so. But so he knows all the. So he knows all. Let's make a list of everyone who's.
- [49:54]
A
If I die.
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I'm definitely high on the list.
- [49:58]
C
We did also. We did.
- [50:01]
B
Lindsay and I are more than Corey, to be honest.
- [50:04]
C
Yeah. My mom is still kicking he's okay. If my mom's not, he's in big, big trouble. But we did just make a joint email account, because I was like, great, I'm gonna switch all the bill notifications to that account and all the subscriptions and stuff to that account. That way, you're not going through four of my email accounts trying to figure out all the things. God forbid I become incapacitated.
- [50:26]
B
That is so smart. I actually love that. Also, put things in your living will. I cannot stress. I told my sister when she was visiting about the living will.
- [50:33]
C
This was so funny. What she looks at her goes Michaela, who gets Blakely if something happens to you and your husband?
- [50:44]
B
Because I was just worried.
- [50:46]
A
Your niece is so cute.
- [50:47]
B
I. First of all, I feel like she looks like me, but maybe that's just, like, wishful thinking.
- [50:52]
A
No, I think she does too.
- [50:53]
B
Do. Okay. Maybe it's just, like, her hair color and, like, her. Her complexion and stuff, but I see myself in her. Maybe it's just Raymond's really strong genes, but I literally looked at my sister, and I'm like, who gets Blakely? Because that's my girl. But also, her husband works a lot, and my sister's family is very wealthy, so I was like, you should do a living will, like, to make sure, but, like, put all the stuff in there, you know?
- [51:17]
A
Oh, my God. I have to tell you, this thing, it was, like, trending. I initially saw it on TikTok University, if that's what we're calling it, but I found a People article about it. It's about a man finding out that his mom has been reading his text messages with his girlfriend, 27 years old. He shares this on Reddit. He moves back home to live with his mom after needing time to save for, like, save money. And he was changing jobs, so he enjoys spending time with his mom, but he notes that she's got this thing where she needs to know everything about my life. In a quote, he says, when I was a kid, she'd read my notebooks, check my drawers, that kind of stuff. I figured that she had grown out of it, but nope. Last week, the man left his phone charging on the kitchen counter, and when he came back, he saw his mom was reading his text messages and scrolling through his messages with his girlfriend. When he confronted her, she replied, if you don't have secrets, what's the problem? However, he told her the problem was about privacy, not secrets.
- [52:17]
B
I. The way. Here's the thing. I'm really weird about my phone, and it stems from used to being a cheater, and I'm not a cheater anymore.
- [52:28]
There is nothing on my phone in this moment that I would not want, like, that I would care if anyone read. But it's the point that this is my phone. These are my conversations. I don't want anyone reading what's in my phone, let alone my parent.
- [52:44]
A
Like, okay, so I do know someone that has done this as a parent.
- [52:52]
Not gonna say who, but it doesn't matter. Like, whose phone would be laying around. Like, they're gonna be in it right now. I can tell you my phone is diabolical. Like, I want nobody to be in it. We are not playing the game of read your last text. We're not getting into that. I just think that that is such an invasion of privacy. And in fact, like, I wouldn't do that to my partner, like, unless I had, like, an inkling of something.
- [53:23]
And it would have to be, like, a strong inkling. Like, I know it's going on, and I just need to find it. But I'm not even doing that to my partner.
- [53:31]
B
No, I agree. I agree. Like, it's just weird. It's so weird. Like, the invasion of privacy.
- [53:38]
A
Okay, I do have to ask you this. While we're talking about privacy, do we think that it's weird that you break up with somebody and they keep nudes of you and videos of you on their phone, but they're in a new relationship?
- [53:56]
B
Is it just, like, in the camera roll and, like, you saved it six months ago, broke up?
- [54:02]
A
No, this is an app that is, like, separate from that, that has this stuff housed.
- [54:08]
B
No, that's very weird to me. That's very, very weird to me. At the point that you have a separate album or the. The app to lock those pictures and you're not deleting them. I do think that's weird. If you're housing nudes, pictures, intimate photos, intimate text messages, screenshot in them, and keep them in an album. I'm gonna say that's. That's an obsession that I don't with.
- [54:35]
A
I know someone that housed photos and videos in a separate, like, app. It's like a secret app situation that has, like, a passcode on it. And upon the breakup, it was said that he used it as a spank bank.
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B
What is a spank bank?
- [54:58]
A
Like, porn?
- [55:00]
B
Oh, no.
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A
They use it to jack off. And I talked to this person, and I was like, well, what happens if you get, like, a new relationship? Like, don't you need to delete those? Like, isn't that cheating? And is it cheating? Because I feel like it is. Like we've, we've come to the conclusion, like we've had the argument of is porn cheating? Is it not? Blah, blah, blah. If you have nude videos and photos of an ex on your phone and you're using them to jack off and you are in a new relationship, that is absolutely, absolutely cheating because that is somebody that you intimately know.
- [55:35]
B
Yes. Like, I would be more upset if you're checking off to your ex's nudes.
- [55:41]
A
Yes.
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B
Watching porn on a website.
- [55:44]
A
Right. Like just watch the porn.
- [55:46]
B
Like at that point, pull up a porn of a woman you never met. But at the point that you were fantasizing about your ex that you loved at one point. It's a hard no for me.
- [55:55]
A
Isn't that so up?
- [55:58]
B
So up. I asked my group chat about the finances thing and they're all like having their own opinions and I am so shocked by the amount of differences in all of these things. So I will be very curious to see. I know it's unrelated to the porn situation, but.
- [56:14]
A
Okay, so we're, we're establishing that is cheating.
- [56:18]
B
Without a doubt. Because. Because that's more than just seeing some. It. What Alessandra always says, like, men will anything though. It's a whole. Right. It's more than that. At the point that it's someone you know and that you've been with that is cheating.
- [56:33]
A
Men will absolutely. I am convinced. Anything like it does not matter. They will literally a hole in a sheet.
- [56:43]
B
Isn't that so disturbing? I also think, oh, I actually read this thing. I don't know how true it is, but allegedly. And I read several studies on this. One in five men. I read one that said one in five and one that said one in four men are secretly gay. So at the point that I've been.
- [57:02]
A
Reading a lot about that too.
- [57:04]
B
I believe it. I believe.
- [57:06]
A
I also believe it. Conversation with somebody actually yesterday and I was like, the amount of videos, I don't know how I got on like the DL. Tick tock. Is that what you're on?
- [57:19]
B
Yeah. Well, no, none of this was on Tik Tok. But now that I am. Now that you've said that, I honestly hope that it pulls up on my phone. Like, I hope it just like shows me. I wholeheartedly believe it and it doesn't bother me at all. But I would be curious to see like the, the cheating conversation with like your exes that are women. I've been with a couple, a couple of my exes. And this Sounds crazy. They just didn't jerk off.
- [57:49]
And that's fine. But that means they also didn't really watch porn. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because it is my opinion that they probably didn't watch porn. Or if they deleted it, it was probably because it was gay porn. Like, there are at least two of my exes where I have absolutely questioned their sexuality.
- [58:13]
A
Did you say something like a weird thing? Right. Because I don't want to out them. So, like, I'm not like, is it your place to do it? You know?
- [58:22]
B
And what is. Like, what. What do you do in a situation like that where you question your partner's sexuality? Because I am not opposed to a lavender marriage. I am not opposed to a lavender relationship if it benefits both of us. Right? Like, I'm not opposed to it, but I need to know.
- [58:39]
A
Wait, so you're. You're open to being with your partner.
- [58:45]
B
Being gay, if it's mutually beneficial. Right? Like, for example, say I was single, met someone on the same financial playing field as me, and that person got health insurance through their job and was looking for a life partner. But, like, maybe he or she couldn't come out to their family. I'm gonna say he. Because if it's a woman, obviously, we can't get. Like, they'd have to come out. Say a man doesn't want to come out to their family. They want to keep their private life private.
- [59:14]
A
Okay.
- [59:15]
B
And they make the same amount of money as me, but they get insurance through their job. And they come to me and they're like, kale, are you open to a lavender marriage? I'm like, yes. Like, we're. We get along really well. We have good. You know, we're. We're best friends, and you get insurance through your job, and I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for me and all my seven kids. I would be open to that. Or maybe we get, you know, we get to live in this house, and there's, like, two weight. Like, I'm down for it. I really am. Because it's more of, like, a life companion.
- [59:45]
A
Yeah.
- [59:46]
B
Lover. And I can still go be with whoever I want, and you can go be with whoever you want at your own discretion. But we have the benefits that are health insurance. We share a mortgage. You could have, you know, if you have a boyfriend and they can come to the house and there's no judgment. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to sleep in the same bed.
- [60:03]
A
But how do you think That a boyfriend would feel about you being in a situation like that because if he fell in love with you, I don't think because it's giving like sugar daddy, you know?
- [60:18]
B
Good point.
- [60:20]
A
How do you navigate that part of it? Because do I think what you're saying is realistic for some people? I do. And is it truly you picking a person that would be okay with that?
- [60:34]
B
I think that's the biggest thing is, like, transparency. I don't think it would be very far, far off that if someone I was dating, if I told them, like, hey, in full transparency, like, I'm married to a gay man. It's a lavender marriage. Whatever. Whatever.
- [60:46]
A
Right.
- [60:47]
B
It's not. That's not off brand for me. Do you know what I mean? Like, where not off brand? It's not. But like, if you were to do it and you were to date a guy, someone that you date might not be open to it. But the type of people that. Do you get what I'm saying?
- [61:01]
A
Yeah, yeah, I do.
- [61:03]
B
That I associate with, like, they could see the gears turning and how I got there, and I think they'd be more like, oh, okay. Where like, I can't picture your ex being okay with that. First of all, how is the hot tub going?
- [61:15]
A
Girl, don't get one.
- [61:18]
B
I'm going to get a sauna. That's what I want.
- [61:20]
A
It's a really big, like, maintenance issue for me. I should again. I'm gonna bring it back. I don't know if it was like last week that we talked about it or if it's this week. I do not need to own a house.
- [61:34]
B
Honestly, I'm surprised you do. You said that. I don't know if it was this episode or last episode. All my days are running together. But I'm surprised with it being you and Jackson. I'm surprised you do because I don't want the maintenance of a house if I don't have to have it.
- [61:49]
A
And I mean, he's only here 50% of the time, but, like, could you.
- [61:53]
B
Imagine living in a luxury apartment with like, amenities like the pool and the gym and everything else?
- [62:00]
A
I can imagine. Would you ever do it 1000%.
- [62:04]
B
Do you think you're gonna like the.
- [62:06]
A
Moment that I tell Kristen I'm putting my house on the market?
- [62:09]
B
Are you going to.
- [62:10]
A
I don't know, like, about it literally makes no sense. Like, for me to have this big of space and my child's only here 50 of the time.
- [62:20]
B
What am I doing that when I had. Now I regret it because I have Seven kids now. But whenever I had that house in Middletown, it was 7, 6 or 7,000 square feet. I only had my kids half the time at that time. Lux I had more, obviously. And then Creed was born there. But, like, ultimately, it was still just me most of the time. And to pay for the maintenance of everything, it was like, if I'm gonna have this size house, and I wasn't using a lot of the house where, like, now, at my house that I have now, we use every single square foot of that house. And I could go a little bit bigger, but only because I have more children. I talk about all the time. If I did not have kids or if I only had one or two, I would absolutely live in a luxury apartment with a gym, a pool, whatever I need. Like, I. I was in the same boat that you were in, and I. I don't even know what to tell you, because I ultimately sold that house.
- [63:15]
A
And it's like, I. I do love this house, and I have made this house your home. Like, something that I'm proud of, and, like, I love it, but at the same time, it's like, every day there's something that needs to be done. Like, you can't. It's not a situation to where you can just, like, let it rest and close the door. Like, my old house maintenance and stuff was controlled by the hoa, so kind of like giving apartment vibes. Right. So I didn't have to worry about it. No. I have to worry about every ounce of maintenance here.
- [63:48]
B
And then. Okay, so there's. You're paying an HOA fee, but they don't cover anything.
- [63:54]
A
No.
- [63:54]
B
Where does the money go?
- [63:56]
A
Like, for the roads and the landscaping and the street lights and the neighborhood pool. There's two neighborhood pools. Kristen's gonna kill me. She's like, literally, if you put that house up for sale, I'm.
- [64:11]
B
Okay, let me ask you this. If you were to go luxury apartment route, would your rent also be, like, what you're paying in mortgage versus what you would pay in rent? What would be the.
- [64:26]
A
Would there be a huge difference? I would save a lot of money.
- [64:30]
B
However, I want to warn you that there is allegedly a real estate market crash going to be worse than 2008. Coming.
- [64:38]
A
Coming. Like, how soon?
- [64:40]
B
I don't know. So I just want to warn you.
- [64:43]
A
Oh, dear God.
- [64:46]
But, yeah, I mean, that. These are the things that I'm navigating, because I'm just. Kristen says if you switch back to wanting to own again, that's when I'll kill you.
- [64:55]
B
I don't know.
- [64:55]
A
Like, if there's something so nice about thinking about somebody else having to own that. And if you decide to move, you just wait till that lease runs up, honey, and see ya.
- [65:08]
B
No, I agree. If we had the type of luxury apartments that I'm thinking of, I'd get one, I'd get two of them.
- [65:16]
A
You'd get two of them. And combine them.
- [65:18]
B
Combine them. Two. Penthouse, top floor, bottom floor.
- [65:24]
I don't want to do with this house. Like, I can't. It's so much work. But I also have seven kids and, you know, whatever. Like, it's just you and Jack. Like, I.
- [65:34]
A
You're gonna be jealous of my lifestyle with like, my little luxury apartment and my ferret and I'm gonna be a Pilates instructor.
- [65:43]
B
Oh, my. Lindsay, I will literally, if you become an instructor for real, I'm gonna show. I'm just gonna surprise you and just show up at one of your classes one day.
- [65:52]
A
It's giving, like a rebrand. You know what I mean?
- [65:54]
B
Giving Lindsay. Pilates instructor, rebrand.
- [65:58]
A
Sweet life.
- [65:59]
B
The sweet life of Lizzie. Yes. Obsessed. Yes.
- [66:04]
A
On that note, we have foul play.
- [66:05]
B
Okay, let me pull it up.
- [66:09]
Okay. When my boyfriend and I were 19, he took me out to eat at Applebee's, where I ate an entire Alfredo plate. We then went and grabbed ice cream in our favorite spot. After we went back to his house and commenced to getting it on, I started to suck his dick. He is not small by any means, so it always went down my throat when he would go all the way in. Well, my dumb ass decided to be brave and show off. Show off and deep throat him all over and over until I threw up noodles and cookies from the ice cream all over him and the bed. I was so embarrassed, I immediately sat up where I kept throwing up onto the floor. Instead of being an asshole or grossed out, he sat up and rubbed my back with throw up all over his dick. Still, he wiped off the vomit from him and told me to stay there and he would bring me water and a towel. He threw the comforter into the laundry room, cleaned up, and managed to get back to me in a couple minutes with water and a towel in hand to wipe my mouth. I was crying out of embarrassment and just throwing up. And he told me it was okay because even with vomiting on him, he. That was the one of the best blow jobs he had ever had. While it lasted. While he remade his bed with clean sheets and a blanket and we watched TV for the rest of the evening. Fast forward 14 years later, and we're now married, expecting our first child. And no, I did not learn my lesson the first time. I have, in fact, thrown up on him two more times since. And it's. And he's always a good sport about it. Ladies and gents, don't get a plate full of Alfredo and ice cream and then suck a dick. You will throw up on him.
- [67:34]
A
Okay, this is giving you.
- [67:37]
B
Yeah, I've literally done this.
- [67:38]
A
So, like, what happens when you throw up on a dick?
- [67:44]
B
You're mortified, probably in a cry, pure embarrassment. If you're Kristen, you'll suck the noodles back up and keep going.
- [67:52]
A
Oh, yeah. See, no. At the point that throw up has transpired, this game's all over. I will say that guy, like, had some couth because we love him for you. We. We do love it. And I feel like if I ever threw up on somebody's dick, I don't think that I would make it to marriage with that person because I would be so humiliated. So humiliated that I would not be able to ever see them again. It would be like, throw up on the dick and buy. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow a rate on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your pods for our latest merch. Visit coffee combos podcast.com to shop full. Video episodes are available on Kale's patreon@patreon.com Kale Lowry. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.
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B
See ya.
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