Bhabie v Barker & Dealing with ADHD and OCD

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Bhabie v Barker & Dealing with ADHD and OCD
Release Date: February 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic Coffee Convos blend of candid personal updates, lighthearted banter, and deeper dives into complex topics. Kail and Lindsie open up about everything from their children’s latest antics and their hot takes on fast food, to the internet drama between Bhad Bhabie and Alabama Barker. The hosts dedicate significant time to discussing mental health, with an honest exploration of ADHD and OCD experiences—sharing both their adult and parenting journeys. The show closes with an advice segment and listener “foul play” story, keeping things relatable and humorous.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: Family, Haircare, and Going with the Flow

• Kail and Lindsie compare notes on how shaker bottles always mysteriously disappear, agreeing that expensive bottles vanish most often.
• Lindsie narrates her son Jackson’s late-night cooking experiments, including making homemade Cane’s sauce with no chicken in the house.
• Kail and Lindsie riff on the mediocrity of various fast food chains, particularly Raising Cane’s and Chick-fil-A, and speculate about ingredient changes impacting taste and texture.
  • “Cane sauce is okay, but the chicken itself is very… is mediocre at best.” – Kail (03:06)

2. Vacations Gone Wrong & Airbnb Woes

• Lindsie shares her canceled beach trip due to a sudden cold front and the trouble with non-refundable Airbnb bookings.
• Kail adds her own tale of canceling an L.A. trip due to wildfires and the perils of nonrefundable reservations.
  • “There was just several reasons that I was like, I do not feel like it would be a good decision for me to go, and I could not get my money back for the Airbnb.” – Kail (05:15)

3. Beauty Routines: Hair Training & Skincare Upgrades

• The hosts chat about their efforts to “train” their hair for less frequent washing, the power of setting powder, and retinol-induced skin flaking.
• Lindsie talks rediscovering a skincare routine with Zeo and how “having the full lineup” is better than piecemeal products.
  • “Having, like, the full lineup of one brand that’s really good is very advisable.” – Lindsie (08:38)

4. Pop Culture Deep Dive: Bhad Bhabie vs. Alabama Barker

• Kail offers a detailed breakdown of the online feud between Bhad Bhabie (Danielle “Cash Me Outside”) and Alabama Barker, including alleged drama over relationships, pregnancy rumors, diss tracks, and celebrity family entanglements.
  • Explained from 13:00–18:00
  • “Let that sink in for a second. And Alabama Barker comes back... writes a diss track back to Bhad Bhabie. Now. They’re both bops!” – Kail (15:23)
• The conversation veers into Travis Barker’s past, celebrity houses, and the tangled web of Kardashian-adjacent relationships (Tyga’s links to Kylie, Black Chyna, and Alabama Barker).
• Both hosts express concern about the age gaps in relationships with Tyga and young women.
  • “My bigger concern is Tyga sleeping with minors and like teenagers... I am concerned.” – Kail (19:32)

5. Mental Health Real Talk: ADHD and Medication

• Kail discusses her adult ADHD diagnosis, struggles with Strattera (non-stimulant medication), and the exhaustion and side effects that led her to quit after just 7 days.
  • “At the point that I took a two-hour nap…I said I can’t do this. Like, I’m so tired that I cannot function.” – Kail (24:52)
• Genetic testing (GeneSight) is discussed as a way to match medication, and Kail shares frustration with cycling through meds.
• Lindsie describes her experience with OCD-like symptoms after childbirth, including obsessive cleaning and anxiety, and a rough experience with prescribed medication that caused disturbing side effects.
  • “I remember waking up…feeling like spiders crawling on me. And so I was like, I can never do this medicine ever again.” – Lindsie (25:54–28:09)

6. Parenting Kids with ADHD & OCD

• The hosts discuss how ADHD and OCD manifest differently (beyond stereotypes like repetitive counting or hand-washing).
  • “There’s this really, really, really common misconception about what OCD is…that’s not always the case.” – Kail (25:54)
• Lindsie details Jackson’s ADHD journey, from dietary experiments (eliminating red dye) to finally starting medication, which she uses exclusively for school—not at home.
  • “I don’t need him to be that focused whenever we’re at home…he does not have medication from the time school gets out until a week before school starts for summer.” – Lindsie (35:20)
• The challenges of getting a proper diagnosis, masking behaviors at school, and navigating school bureaucracy for support plans (504, IEP) are discussed extensively.
  • “How else do you get a proper diagnosis when they’re masking at school?” – Kail (37:52)
• Lindsie offers practical advice on the testing process, including splitting appointments over multiple days to reduce stress.

7. Listener Mail: Finding Yourself Again (“Filling Your Cup”)

• Kail and Lindsie reflect on losing themselves in motherhood, work, or relationships—offering practical suggestions for rekindling friendships and finding fulfilling hobbies or self-care routines.
  • “I challenge her to try something that she wouldn’t picture herself normally liking or gravitating towards.” – Kail (45:06)
• Lindsie shares that discovering a real hobby (beyond beauty routines) like dining out and food adventures became self-care.

8. Lighthearted, Relatable Moments

• The hosts riff on:
  • Pronunciation differences: “tournament” vs. “tournament,” “often” with or without the T, and “oil” vs. “ol.”
  • Kail: “[smelly] feet can be genetic!” (57:50)
• Kail recounts a hilarious “foul play” listener story of preeclampsia and mortifyingly smelly feet at an OB appointment, sparking a debate about feet hygiene and whether preeclampsia causes bad foot odor.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bhad Bhabie v. Alabama Barker:
  “It’s nice to look at someone else’s drama for a change, because for a long time I was… the wild one. The train wreck.”
  —Kail (17:49)

• On ADHD Medication Struggles:
  “I was so tired that I was like reverting back to when I was on my antidepressants.”
  —Kail (24:52)

• On ADHD Symptoms in the Home:
  “I’ll start a sentence, and I’ll stop mid-sentence and not even remember that I was talking in the middle of a sentence.”
  —Kail (30:04)

• On Making New Friends/Hobbies:
  “Maybe for her it’s crafting…just start and then—or if she has kids…I met a lot of really decent people, a lot of good friends in kid—my kids’ sports.”
  —Kail (45:28)

• On Being a ‘Foodie’ as a Hobby:
  “My hobby is going out and fine dining. Like, I absolutely love a restaurant environment… I look for restaurants on Instagram to look at aesthetics…”
  —Lindsie (49:00)

• On Smelly Feet and Genetics:
  “Is smelly feet genetic?…People have googled this before. Yes, it can be. Genetics can play a role in smelly feet.”
  —Kail, reading Google results (57:50)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• 03:00–04:30 – Fast food hot takes, losing Airbnbs to weather woes
• 13:00–18:00 – Bhad Bhabie v. Alabama Barker feud breakdown
• 24:51–34:50 – Honest ADHD & OCD medication discussions (adult and parenting experiences)
• 44:05–49:30 – Listener advice: Reclaiming happiness, hobbies, and identity
• 55:18–59:59 – Listener “foul play” story: Smelly feet at the OB/GYN and ensuing hygiene debate

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Tone & Style

The episode is conversational, candid, and often irreverently funny—poking fun at themselves, pop culture, and the chaos of everyday life. Kail and Lindsie maintain their signature blend of support and sass, balancing emotional insights with comic relief. Their vulnerability about mental health and family struggles is both affirming and relatable.

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In Summary

Anyone tuning into this episode will get an engaging mix of pop culture breakdowns, relatable mom struggles, sharply funny banter, and heartfelt mental health talk. The forthrightness with which Kail and Lindsie approach taboo subjects—whether it’s the realities of ADHD medication or internet drama among celebrity teens—offers support, validation, and the feeling of a judgment-free, friend-to-friend coffee chat.

For those wrestling with similar struggles or just in need of a laugh, this timely installment gives both compassionate advice and plenty of real-life reassurance.

Transcript

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Kale Lowry]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels.

[Kale Lowry]

Kale, that does not interest me whatsoever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Here's Kale and Lindsay.

[Kale Lowry]

Hello, Lindsay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Good morning, Coffee Combos podcast. When I woke up, I must have been dreaming about the podcast because I was saying an intro.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

To the podcast. I said, hey, mates, like you woke.

[Kale Lowry]

Up to yourself talking the. The anxiety of recording. Sometimes I was like, I feel like I have so much on my plate. Sometimes I'm like, okay, I just need to finish this before I start recording. But that's not how it works. So I'm about to open my little juicy orange Bloom energy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, are we on bloom now? Well, actually, you've been on Bloom for a long time.

[Kale Lowry]

I've been a Bloom girly. I do like. I like them a lot. I feel like. I don't know, it's not. It might not be true. I have no idea. But they feel healthier. You know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

They feel healthier. Now look at this. My drink. I have to use Jackson's cups because. Please tell me, how do, like, shaker bottles just go missing?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I only own one for that reason.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I owned probably five or six shaker bottles and have not been able to locate them since I moved. So either the person that moved into my old house has them and I just didn't take them.

[Kale Lowry]

And some of them are expensive.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

They're very expensive. And all mine came from dicks. Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

We love dicks. We love dick sporting goods. We love dicks in general.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Can you. Can I also tell you that Jackson has decided that he's going to start doing recipes, evidently.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, good. What kind? Could he teach me how to cook.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But on his own, without permission?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, good. Okay. I'm sure you love that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I walked down to my kitchen the other morning and I go to do something on my stove and I see footprints, like across the top of my stove. And I'm like, well, that's very dangerous. Like, what were we doing in the danger zone? I go to my sink and there is a whole concoction of shit in my sink. Then I go to my refrigerator to get fruit out, and he has made homemade cane sauce for himself.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I mean, that's creative.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We have no chicken in this house.

[Kale Lowry]

You want to dip French fries?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We. We didn't have any of that. Like, he just came downstairs sometime in the middle of the night and made homemade cane sauce.

[Kale Lowry]

Good. Got it. Okay. So he was just testing out the recipe so that when y' all did have chicken and French fries and all of the things that you. He would know how to make it. Lincoln also was looking for. He loves raising canes, which is so funny to me because I don't. Personally, didn't. I like. I don't think it's exceptional by any means.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's definitely not. It's actually my least favorite chicken place.

[Kale Lowry]

I would agree. The chicken, it's. I mean, the cane sauce is okay, but the chicken itself is very. Is mediocre at best.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I'll tell you something else that tastes very mediocre to me right now.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a big chick fil A girly. I haven't been for a long time. My kids still really like it, but. Yeah. Do you think that they change their ingredients? Because Lincoln claims that they change the something that they do with their fries so that, like, the fries stay fresh longer and crispier longer and they don't get soggy. He said they. I want to say he changed. Lincoln said they changed, like, the protein or something.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, they did. They did a whole, like, release on it that they changed it. And when I tell you I haven't had chick fil a probably in three weeks, which doesn't sound like a very long time, but I was an avid chick fil. A girly goer.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Oh, we know, we know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We. We know. I was supposed to leave for the beach today.

[Kale Lowry]

Why didn't you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, and the panhandle where I was going, a cold front came through. The Airbnb that we rented did not have a heated pool, but it's been in, like, the 70s there. So I was like, we don't really need a heated pool. It'll be fine. Well, now it's, like, low 50s, so had to rent a new Airbnb. Don't even know if, like, money's gonna be able to be gotten back on the other one. Have no idea. But, like, if you take your kids to the beach, what are you supposed to do if they don't have pool entertainment?

[Kale Lowry]

I didn't even know the beaches were warm at this time of year, so I. I'm at a loss.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So now we are going to Sky Zone and Target today to try to make up for the fact that we are not going to the beach today and we're gonna drive early in the morning.

[Kale Lowry]

So. Do you remember when I was supposed to go to LA for Barely Famous and I canceled the trip?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Airbnb. And did not get any of my money back when I canceled. But there were several reasons I needed to cancel. There was a lot of reasons I needed to cancel. I needed to cancel because the wildfires would be very out of touch for me to go. And, you know, LA is still having some struggles and, you know, devastation and travesty and all of, you know, everything that they're going through. On top of the fact that all these planes keep coming up on my timeline, I was like, I cannot fly right now. And so there was just several reasons that I was like, I do not feel like it would be a good decision for me to go, and I could not get my money back for the Airbnb.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That kind of stuff pisses me off so bad. While I understand that it's like, people's businesses and stuff and, like, that's how they make their money. And you probably took time away or potentially took time away from somebody else being able to book. I'm sure that's their justification. But, like, stuff does come up.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I. My heart goes out to all the people that are affected by these plane crashes because I. I would like for them to stop showing up on my timeline.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think that you got them to start showing up on my timeline. So now I'm like, absolutely no aircraft whatsoever. Don't care what aircraft it is. I will not be airlifted anywhere.

[Kale Lowry]

No, not for this. Not for. For a little while.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Another thing that I need to discuss with you. I'm back on this training, my hair journey.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, okay. Love that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So my hair has not been washed since Friday.

[Kale Lowry]

It looks good to me. It doesn't look dirty. It doesn't look like you haven't washed it. It looks good.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But when you don't wash your hair, like, when it starts getting, like, a little bit oily around the face, it starts really aggravating me.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Once it starts, like. Yeah, no, I can get that. I washed my hair last night. I went darker at the root so that you couldn't really tell as much, but I'm struggling to curl my hair properly. With short hair, I'm, like, really struggling to, like, give it the look that Taylor gives it when she does a blowout. So.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wand.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I'm using a wand, but it's just not coming out the same way. When she does it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. I need to know from the people listening to this if you're a wand girl or if you are a clamp curling iron girl, because I have always been a clamp curling iron girly and have never been able to use a wand. The one time I tried to use a wand, I burnt the out of myself.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, well, I can't use a curling iron because when I crimp, when I, like, clamp it, it, like, leaves this, like, hard line of a crease. So we're opposites.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I've never had the hard line of a crease, but everybody messages me on my Instagram. They're like, what do you use to curl your hair? And I'm. I think it's more of, like, the weight that you use, like, on the clamp. Does that make sense? Like, when you go to cl. When you're curling. When you go to clamp it, you're putting too much weight on the clamp.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I'm holding it too tight, basically, yeah. Okay, so I'll. I don't own. Actually don't own one, but I'll have to try it out. But I also. I'm like, maybe I should wait for it to grow out a little bit before I try it, because it also is not. It is harder to curl shorter hair.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, it's so much harder to curl shorter hair. I don't miss my short hair at all. Like, it was a cute moment, but I don't miss it.

[Kale Lowry]

You're like, it. I'm not going back to short hair.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm also back on, like, my skin care girly days. I started doing the same skincare that you and Kristen use.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, good. Do you love it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is it, like, Zeo or whatever?

[Kale Lowry]

Yo, Skincare. Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I use it. I use, like, a couple of their products a couple of years ago, but I never had the full lineup of stuff, and I feel like that might be where I was going wrong with, like, all my skincare. I was getting, like, a little bit from, like, this brand and a little bit from that brand. Having, like, the full lineup of one brand that's really good is very advisable.

[Kale Lowry]

I struggle with, like, how many steps it is because it is a lot of steps. And I'm like, I always was wondering about, like, your pores can only be so deep. So, like, how much product are we actually absorbing when we have 12? I'm exaggerating by saying 12 steps, but I think mine is, like, six or seven steps. How much is it actually. Actually absorbing but my skin feels the difference, and so I don't care as long as it is working. I will say that I did not have any powder today. I couldn't find my loose, like, Laura Mercier.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, like the setting powder.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And so I missed that step and I noticed that my skin looks like. It just, like, looks like a greasy mess. It's not even, like, a nice highlight. It's like a.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's a donut.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Well, just like, too much. But I didn't have my setting spray or my setting powder, and I was like, what a difference, like, one product will make in your entire life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, it. It's so crazy. I will tell you. I also started a retinol from that brand and had never used retinol before. And honey, anybody who's listening to this, if you have not started one, I feel like it's so good for your skin, but, like, the flaking that transpires, like, you need to do it when you don't need to wear makeup.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And also when you're not going to go out in public a lot or need to be, like, out and around people because it will dry up your skin pretty quickly.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, honey. I was out, like, on a date with dried up skin. Like, I didn't give a. Oh, okay.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, yeah, obviously, if you don't care, then go for it, but, like, if anyone does care. That was like, when I was on Accutane, I went on isotretinoin, which is the different brand name, but same kind of thing with the flaking and stuff like that. And sometimes for when you're on Accutane, because it was a pill, it wasn't just my face that would dry up. I mean, it was like it was your. Yeah, my scalp, my vagina. Like, everything was dry.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's so crazy. No. I don't know if you're an oversharer, but if, like, something's going on with.

[Kale Lowry]

Me, you don't know if I'm an oversharer.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Lindsay, in. In our professional lives, we're definitely oversharers for sure. But, like, I'm less of an overshare. I feel like in my personal life, however, when I started doing this flaking, I looked like a lizard. I, like, had to share that, like, something's not going on with me. It's just, like, this process that I'm going through and, like, you need to accept it and also not. Look at me.

[Kale Lowry]

Don't look too close. Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I'm just, like, all flaking, like, around my face. Like, it's all up.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't tell over camera on camera. I think you look great.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Also, when had my nails done yesterday, and I literally was sitting in the nail salon, and I said, I can't wait to ask you all this. Do you ever look at colors at the nail salon? And you're like, this brings me back to, like, 2008, when I was wearing this. Do you do that?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm trying to think of, like, what color would you. No, it doesn't, because I. There was a time where I did, like, different colors, but, no, I don't ever think of, like, a time where I guess that that, like, highlighter neon pink was, like, a. What was a vibe in the summertime when you're nice and tan and you're. You're bronze and. And glowing. That one was, like, really popular. I think. That one. That one year, that one summer. But outside of that, no.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So in high school, like, all the way through college, in the wintertime, I was Linkin Park After Dark. Opi is gonna have black toes. Then in the summertime, I was Cajun Shrimp opi, which is what I got yesterday.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think I've seen that one.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I was like, listen, honey, this makes me feel like I'm young again.

[Kale Lowry]

Speaking of. What were you. What do. What were you gonna. What did you just say? Linkin Park After Dark.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Lincoln Park. That reminded me of Blink182. Don't know why, but that's where my mind went last night. Gave Elijah the rundown of Alabama Barker.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Travis Barker's daughter. And the beef with Bhad Baby. And he didn't understand. And then I said, bad baby is Catch me outside Danielle. And he was like, okay, I know who she is. I didn't know she was a rapper, didn't know Alabama Barker. So we went down this ra. Rabbit hole. I. He didn't know Blink 182. So, like, the story didn't hold as much weight for him. But you said Lincoln Park. I don't know why that made me think of Blink182, because they're not the same. But I was fans of both and. And so trying to explain the lore of all of, you know, Alabama Barker and Bhad Baby. It was. He wasn't invested, and he didn't. It wasn't a hit for him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, what? I'm invested in it, so I would love to chat with you about it. One story about Blink 182 and Travis Barker. So back when we lived in California, for, like, a short little stint. My dad's always been in real estate for, like, a long period of time. And so we were looking at houses, and we looked at Travis Barker and Shannon Moakler's house. And as kids going through that, house number one, he had more clothes and, like, shoes and hats and than you have ever seen in your life. Like a dream and, like, so organized. Just, like, definitely a vibe. There was, like, a naked picture of her, like, on their wall.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, they were still married at this time. They're still together at this time. Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. And I'm like, wow, that's really, like, bold. I can remember, like, being in there in middle school and being like, that's bold. But, like, somebody's gonna see your wife. That's the point.

[Kale Lowry]

But it wasn't in their bedroom.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, it was, like, either the hallway to their bedroom or in their bedroom.

[Kale Lowry]

But are people really going in there? Unless they're, like, buying.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, that would just kind of probably be something that I, you know, might consider taking down.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Covering it up. Put. Throw some tape up over it for a showing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So explain the beef to me with Cash Me Outside. How about that? And Alabama Barker. Because I've watched all these videos on Tik Tok, and I can't really follow, like, the bouncing ball of. Other than the fact that they're beefing the songs, the. The raps, like.

[Kale Lowry]

So, okay, here's where. Here's. Here's what happens. So Danielle, catch me outside. Bad Baby. She thinks that she's friends with Alabama Barker. Alabama Barker and Lavon, which is bad Babies. Baby daddy are lying to Danielle, AKA Bad Baby, about having sex. Turns out, you know, Danielle goes to Alabama, and it's like, are you, like, did you hook up with him? No, no, no, no, no. Turns out they, in fact, did. That's when Bhad Bhabie drops the diss track about Alabama getting pregnant by Tyga and having an abortion. So let that sink in for a second. And Alabama Barker comes back and has. Even though she had a ghostwriter for her diss track, writes a diss track back to Bhad Bhabie. Now. They're both bops. They're both. They're nice. They're good. There's some good songs they have. They're nice. You know what I mean? So in my opinion, I will say I did like Alabama Barker song a little bit better. But let's not forget that she's having ghostwriters and the funds for a music video Right off the bat. However, Bhad Bhabie is not new to this. She's true to this. She's been writing songs for a long time. She's been working with big artists except, etc. Etc. So in the song Back to Bad Baby, Alabama says that Lavon, which is her baby dad and her best friend are. And they're hooking up, and that she's on Percocet. She's getting. She's getting high, allegedly. And then Bad Baby then writes a new diss track back to Alabama Barker saying that she sucked the dick straight out of her ass. So Alabama Parker sucked Lavon's dick that was straight out of Bhad Bhaby's ass. And then also saying that your stepmom got her sister's seconds, like, second hands. And then she tags, because Travis Barker gets on Instagram and he's doing his drumming to Alabama Barker's diss track to Bad Baby. Well, Bhad Bhabie then writes the new diss track and tags Travis and says, do this one next. And then puts this on. On where he's. She's literally calling him out for going to Kourtney Kardashian after allegedly wanting Kim. And so that's the drama. And I'm just. You know what? It's nice to look at someone else's drama for a change, because for a long time, I was. I was the. The wild one. The train wrecked.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just feel like these girls are so young. Right. And it's like, why are we doing this all over the Internet? I know. The Alabama Barker alleged that Bhad Bhabie was doing it because she wanted the clout.

[Kale Lowry]

So that baby doesn't need it. She made $50 million last year.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you see where she was? She was on Tick Tock and she was like, I'll be outside at, like, whatever time.

[Kale Lowry]

In Calabasas?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, in Calabasas. And I'm like, why are we fighting in Calabasas of, like, all places? Can we go to Compton?

[Kale Lowry]

And then. Then Alabama was talking about. Or Bhad Bhabie was talking about how it's all her family's money and that she gets around, she sleeps around a lot. Like, she's known in their area and in their circle. Yeah. Of like, she's known for sleeping around with different men. I think Tyga, in a roundabout way, I don't. I don't think that he directly denied the pregnancy, but he did sort of deny it. However, Bad Baby, in her second diss track, says that she saw the ultrasound and it is a fact. That's what Danielle is claiming. And my biggest concern here is, you know, they are, I, I know that they're, they're young and they, they may regret it, they might not, I don't know. But my bigger concern is Tyga sleeping with minors and like teenagers. Because yeah, I know that technically you're an adult when you're 18, but 19 is still a teen. So if you in fact are a 35 year old man getting a 19 year old pregnant, I am concerned. And this is not the only teenager he's been linked to. So that is highly concerning for me. And I wish that more people would.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Look into all links does Tyga have to the Kardashians.

[Kale Lowry]

So Black China, he shares a child with black China who has a baby with Rob Kardashian. He also what?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

King, right?

[Kale Lowry]

King, yes. King Cairo. I think maybe something like that. And then he dated Kylie and then now has slept with Kylie's step niece, which would be Alabama Barker.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's just like a lot going on.

[Kale Lowry]

And then I also linked to Bobby Altoff.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Tyga is linked to Bobby?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, she popped up on one of his live streams and like walked her out. She got on her stories and her tick tock and did a whole sit down conversation saying that she's not sleeping with him but that they're good friends. But people don't seem to believe that either.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I guess there's not enough degree of separation there for me that I would ever be like, yeah, let me go ahead and do that. Knowing the history there and the connections, like the familial connections, it's too close.

[Kale Lowry]

For comfort for me. I think on all fronts like between Tyga and also Travis Bark, like it just feels like a lot.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But like think about all the things that have been said about Travis Barker with him, like wanting to be with Kim, like that was his dream girl or something before he was with Courtney. Like imagine if that is in fact true. I would like feel so uncomfy.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, it's a lot. But to be fair, I mean have you ever just looked at someone and you're like, oh they're really good looking. Like that would be my dream girl. But you don't actually have romantic feelings towards that person. You're just talking from like, like a physical standpoint. You're not talking about. Yeah, like aesthetics. Like that is who I, that is someone who I picture myself with looks wise and I know that's a little shallow, but I just, I don't necessarily think that I believe that they, like, hooked up or like, he was in love with. It was just like the idea. Do you know what I mean? So I don't think that's so bad.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I just don't think that I could be with a guy knowing that my sister was his dream girl and then I just marry him and have a baby. Like, I think that I would have a complex about that for the rest of existence.

[Kale Lowry]

I would probably have a. But I. I would definitely have a complex about it. But also, I have heard of lots of situations where one sibling, specifically men, have hooked up with a girl and then their brother ends up with the girl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I would tell you a personal story, but I'm not.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I was the victim in said situation.

[Kale Lowry]

Got it. Picking up what you're laying down. Picking up what you're laying down.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Let's. Let's just say that and then we can move on. I want to hear about how your ADHD meds have been going because they're not working. I know that you started them not too long ago, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And seven days later, I was immediately off of them. For some reason, the ADHD meds, they put me on a non stimulant. So for anyone listening to this podcast, I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult several years ago. And that doctor did order me genocide testing, but I found that. I found out that I was pregnant and I did not choose to be medicated. And I don't know if you can be medicated while you're pregnant. And so it was back to back pregnancies for me never ended up going on meds, never ended up doing the genocide or gene site testing. I say all that to say I finally go back to that practice and another doctor prescribes me Strattera, which is typically used, I think we know it as a depression, like an antidepressant med, but it also can treat adhd. And she said this was the safest with the least amount of side effects for treating adhd. And I said, okay, great, let's give it a try. She said, we'll follow up in two weeks. Well, I did not make it the two weeks because within the first seven days I was so tired that I was like reverting back to when I was on my antidepressants, like 2022 or 2023. Can't. I think it was like 20 whenever I was pregnant with Rio, where I was sleeping non stop. And I do attribute some of that to depression, but I also attribute some of that to the depression meds themselves. And at the point that I took a two hour nap in these seven days with 88, I don't take naps anymore. I haven't taken naps since I was depressed. And you know, for me I'm just more productive if I don't try to take a nap during the day. You know what I mean? So it just, I said I can't, I can't do this. Like I'm so tired that I cannot function. And so I just took myself off of them. Now I need to reschedule a new appointment to try something different and hopefully do the gen. Genocite or gene site testing. It's frustrating because I want to be medicated and I want to get better and I want to focus and I want to do all these things. But like I do not have it in me to go through several different meds. I might as well just get tested to see which one's going to work best for me, me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I didn't even know that that testing was a thing because I'm not that familiar with medication. I've just never really taken any to like have any knowledge of that. But I will tell you, after I had Jackson, it must have been, he had to have been under two. And I went to my general physician, I was there for a physical and she was asking me like all these types of questions like how are you feeling? Whatever. And so I was sharing the stuff with her about how I would be driving down the road and try to be like on the closest to the side. So if a car was like coming towards me, if they happen to hit me, they wouldn't hit me. And like just like crazy stuff like that. I was boiling Jackson's bottles because I didn't trust my, trust my dishwasher. Just various germs. Like the ocd? Yeah, very much.

[Kale Lowry]

Can I stop you right there? Because I got a little frustrated with one of my kids dads because he told our son that he did not have ocd because he tried to tell my son that OCD is when you touch something a certain amount of times or you count something or you have to wash your hands twice. And it really was frustrating to me because I think there's this really, really, really common misconception about what OCD is. And yes, that is a form of ocd. And I'm not an expert. I'm not trying to diagnose anyone. I'm not trying to tell someone that, you know, they don't have ocd. But in our son's specific situation he was having exactly what you're describing. And I said to him, I think that we need to have you see someone. Like, I think you have ocd. And he said, no. My dad told me I don't. Because it's when you do something a certain number of times. So what you're describing to me sounds like ocd.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I mean, Kale, it was. It was bad, like, to the point that. And I did not experience this. I've always been, like, a super clean freak. And I think a lot of people think that being clean is a form of ocd, which it can. It can present that way. But what I was experiencing was only after giving birth. And I think that that kind of, like, onset it. When I tell you, like, I would panic if someone wore shoes into my house. And I'm still. Like, I still struggle with it. Someone wore shoes into my house. Like, I immediately have to mop. Like, my kid has to go somewhere. Will needs to take him somewhere, and I need to mop. Like, he's gonna get some type of, like, fungus or, like, illness from this. I would obsessively wipe down my refrigerator, the car. Like, anything that Jackson would touch in the car would Clorox out his car seat before I put him in it. Every time. It was, like, crazy stuff. So I can't remember what medication that the doctor gave me. She was like, I want you to try this. And it was. It wasn't 30 day, even trial. I don't even think that she prescribed 30 days. And she said, I want you to report back and let me know, you know, like, how this is helping or if there's any side effects, whatever. I remember waking up in the guest room with Jackson and was, like, touching my face, like. Like poking my face, as if there was something crawling on my face. Like it felt like spiders crawling on me. And so I was like, I can never do this medicine ever again. I just have to live with whatever I have. And I never followed up with it.

[Kale Lowry]

Was it for ocd?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She said that she believed that it was general anxiety disorder that was presenting as OCD tendencies.

[Kale Lowry]

Interesting. That's so interesting. But how? Because I. I would say, not that I think that you're a germaphobe now. I think that you're still pretty diligent about being very clean and, you know, not like germs. But I don't know if it's obsessive. I don't know because I haven't been around you too much, you know, lately. But how did it just subside? Like, did it just, like, sort of taper down a little bit? Or. How would you say you're handling it now?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So, like, through my weekly therapist, like, we talk about it a lot. And so that's been super helpful, and I've been able to learn, like, coping mechanisms to catch my own self.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So, like, I will catch myself doing something and be like, okay, that's a little unnecessary.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Okay. I mean, I've never. That's so anxiety. That's interesting. Maybe. Maybe that's what it is then in our. In. In our son. Maybe it's like a form of anxiety. That's why I was just like. But people do think that OCD is just, like, doing certain things a hundred times in a row, and that's not always the case. I. I am absolutely going to follow up with my doctor about the ADHD meds because I cannot continue to live like this. I mean, people. Specifically Elijah, and last night he pointed it out to me. I'll start a sentence, and I'll stop mid sentence and not even remember that I was talking in the middle of a sentence. So he'll look at me and he'll be like. He'll repeat what I said, and I'll look at him and I'll be like, wait, what? And then it takes a minute for me to, like, think about the fact that he is saying what I just started and then I didn't finish. Like, I didn't complete it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

1. I would probably safely assume that the more busy that you have become and the more children that you have, your mind's probably going in so many different directions that you can't focus on one singular thing because you're already thinking 12 steps ahead about something else.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, the last time I saw Kristen, she. We were like. I think it was Kristen or it was Alessandra. I don't remember. We would be having a conversation, and I'd look at them. Look at one of them. I'd be like. And then they hung up. And I'm like, wait, why did I just say that? That's not. I don't. They hung up. Like, that's not what the story was. Like, I would be trying to tell them something, and then I'd be like, then. Then they hung up instead of saying what? Actually, I don't know. It's been really weird. And what. I feel like I'm going crazy. Like, I feel like, is this real? Like, do I actually have adhd? Or what is happening?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I'm just wondering like, were you ever like this as a little kid and you, like, learn to cope and then it started presenting itself the more busier that you got with more kids, like, now it's more apparent. Or is this something that, like, just randomly came out of the blue?

[Kale Lowry]

I think I've always had adhd, and I don't know what if it's a spectrum of adhd? Like, I don't know if it can, like, change over time. I don't know if it can be exacerbated by anything over time. Time. To your point, having more kids, being busier, like, if that can make it present differently than it was. I think I've always had it. I don't know that you can develop it, but I sort of coped. And it's just getting progressively worse. Maybe it's like, environmental factors. Not environmental. Like schedule. Yeah, I guess. Environment. Environmental. I. I don't know. I did talk to some girlies while I was in New York, and they were saying, for kids, specifically, don't come for me. Anybody listening to this freaking podcast, please don't come for me, because I'm just telling y' all what I learned. Okay? They were saying something about caffeine and a protein for children with adhd. And so I was like, okay, I want to try this as an adult, too. In the interim between, you know, coming off those meds and trying, you know, getting in with my provider, they were saying kids that have ADHD to give them a little caffeine. I'm not saying to do this. This is just what they were telling me. So I was saying how one of my kids I has adhd, and they were telling me what they have heard and what they personally do, which is give them caffeine with a protein. So in the morning, like, either on the way to school.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I.

[Kale Lowry]

A Coke and some chicken nuggets, some chicken minis. And I thought that was really interesting, so I Googled it. And obviously Google is not research, so. But I did say, like, one of the first AI generated responses is that caffeine can have, like, beneficial effects on children. And I was shook. The children with adhd, and so I was shook. And I'm. I'm. I'm going to go down a rabbit hole at some point just to look into it. But I say all that to say I'm going to try it as an adult, because maybe it'll work for me, too.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Listen, when I went through the lengthy process of testing for Jackson with adhd, my doctor has been a pediatrician for my Entire family since I have been probably in, like, fourth grade. So he knows that, like, I'm very slightly crunchy about stuff, and I'm not keen on medication or putting a child on medication. Like, if there is another way that we can like, manage this, I don't want to do the meds. So when I tell you it was, like, the lengthiest process, eliminating certain foods, like, all red 40 dyes, like, bitch, we did it all. And it still didn't help. And I'm like, okay, well, that's great. We've now learned to implement not like having Red 40 in our house, but, like, we're still having the same issues of what we were having. So he finally did go on medication, and it has been a game changer for him in school. I do not give him medication anytime outside of school.

[Kale Lowry]

I've heard of parents doing that, and I've also heard. And I'm not judging. I'm genuinely asking for my own self because my child masks a lot, and so I think he's exhausted from masking. Why is it that parents choose to medicate on some days or for certain periods of time and choose not to when they're not in school? Like, what is. Do you see, like, a personality difference? Because I know Elijah was telling me he was scared of me to go on meds because he didn't want my personality to change or to be like, a zombie. Basically. He said that he has a family member that goes on meds and she becomes a different person. I don't know if that was just ADHD meds, but, like, what is the different. What are the differences that you're seeing in medicating versus not medicating?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I talked to his pediatrician about it. Like, extensive conversation.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And it's not probably a one size fits all. So what works for you guys might not work for the next family. But what was your reasoning?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

My reasoning was because I don't need him to be that focused whenever we're at home. And he is having. He was having trouble in school, and it would be like maintaining seat or, you know, like, super rambunctious, them trying to get him back into the school from recess. Like, okay, those are the reasons that I want him on his medication throughout the school days, outside of the school days. Like, in an agreement, will cannot give him the medication. And I do not give him the medication, and he does not have medication from the time school gets out until a week before school starts for summer. He is not medicated because we are his parents. We can manage him at home, but I don't need him to be that focused. And you do notice a slight. A slight personality difference for us.

[Kale Lowry]

Does he notice a difference in himself when he is at school versus medicated versus not medicated? Does he. Is he, like, okay with it or it doesn't. He doesn't, like, like, care or not care one way or the other?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. And I. I was also hesitant because I didn't want him to think that he was, like, dependent on something. I kind of made him believe that, like, oh, this is like, a vitamin that everybody takes. Because I didn't want him to really know.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then once he started becoming aware, he's like, that makes me, like, not be crazy at school. And so he will. Like, there have been times where will has been, like, running out the door. Jackson forgot to take his medicine that will put out, and he will call home and be like, I'm gonna get in trouble because I don't have my medicine.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I don't want him to worry about that. I showed you the picture. I sent you the picture of my son reading at home. That is hard for me because the teacher doesn't see it at school. But, like, I took a video, a picture, I sent it to you, and I'm like, they're saying he doesn't have it. Do you know what I mean? I could try talking about it. Does Jackson mask ever?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. Or, like, he will catch himself doing something like, where he has been called down multiple times, and on the third time that he gets called down for something when he knows he's, like, taking it too far, but it truly is, like, out of his control, He'll. He'll just start crying. Have you noticed that that child has struggle regulating emotion?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. It's a huge.

[Kale Lowry]

How else do you get a proper diagnosis when they're masking at school? And so the forms that you're. That are being filled out are not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I actually took Jackson to a child psychologist and ran him through extensive testing for everything.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm on a waiting list for a recommendation. We're on a waiting list, but the waiting list is eight months long, so. And they don't even know where he'll fall. So, like, it's starting. Like, the. This specific one is, like, recommended all over the place, and we would have to drive to another state for it, which is fine. But, like, the waiting list starts at eight months, and we don't know where he falls on the waiting list. So it could be another year.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You should do a little trip to Atlanta. And I can get you in with my child psychologist. He's phenomenal and known.

[Kale Lowry]

Give me a. I'm ready. Count me. Count me in. Because, I mean, just the struggle. I understand the struggle of ADHD as an adult. So, like, a child who doesn't fully understand what's happening and they see their peers and they, like. Because I feel like that I was like that as a kid. Like, I. I didn't understand certain materials. I literally. I don't know if you ever experienced this. Maybe Kristen. I don't know if she can hear me, but if she. If she can, maybe she can answer it. Like, all the way up through high school, right? So from elementary school all the way up to high school, when the teacher was saying directions on how to do something, I didn't understand. Like, you could lit. Like, the teacher could literally read the directions on a sheet of paper and you didn't track. I was not under. Like, I would look around the room and, like, not understand. Like, it's verbally being said to me. It's in writing, and I would not understand. I would have to physically see it be done in order to do it. Same. Even when I played lacrosse in high school, when the coach would be standing there and we'd be in three lines and he would be like, okay, this is what we're going to do. I would purposely never be in the front of the line because I needed to see it be done before I could actually understand what was being said to me. And I'm like, I. As an adult, I still struggle with that. So, like, knowing that there are children out there that fall through the cracks and, like, are not getting proper diagnosis or, like, proper, you know, anything. It's just so frustrating because all it takes is like, oh, we filled out these raider forms. We don't really recognize it. Sorry for your luck.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And that's why I did not go through the public school system for anything. I contacted the school and said that he was doing outside of school testing and that I would be providing them with an extensive test from his child psychologist for him to somebody had put in the Facebook group and was like, well, you know, maybe Jackson wouldn't have had that punishment had he been on a 504 plan, you know, for behaviors. And I'm like, he is on a 504 plan for behaviors. Which is further why I feel the way that I feel about the situation of him missing out on the class rewards party. So I can actually send you my.

[Kale Lowry]

Kristen was there. Alessandra was there. In New York City with me when I got on the phone with the school district and they flat out told me, it does not matter if I have him seen outside of school. If he's seen outside of school. They cannot take any of that to use it in the district. They still have to do testing within the district for them to do a 504 or an IEP, which I thought was insane. So I could go pay X amount of dollars. I think the first one that I was looking at was like 1500 to do all this testing and stuff like that. But they can't use any of it. But I would want to do it at the very least to get, you know, if he can get on medication to focus in school, then I don't even like, let's try that. And then from there, if we know that he at least has a diagnosis, then he would at least qualify for it. Would, you know, anyways, yeah, get me in with whoever you can send me a recommendation, whatever you can do, I'll do it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I think that Jackson's testing, I, I can check, but I'm almost certain that his doctor did an extensive write up of like 30 pages. Like they tested for absolutely everything. And I split the testing up over a two or three day period because they can do it in one day, but just because of the focus levels and the stress of like being in a doctor's office and stuff like that. It was nice because they had a college student there that was the intern who ran some of the testing, which Jackson felt like was cool because he was an older guy. He was able to run some of the testing that didn't require the psychologist to do it. So it made it a little bit more fun if you're having to do testing. And so we had a fantastic experience. The doctor brought us in, had the conversations with both of us as parents, gave the recommendation for the 225 parenting plan. He did all of that for us and was absolutely phenomenal.

[Kale Lowry]

I will say that I do think another one of my girlfriends had testing for her daughter and they did it in one day. And I felt like for the. And I'm not a doctor, right. But as a mom, it felt like for her daughter's age and the amount and in depth testing that they were trying to do in one day sort of skewed the results almost because it just felt like it was so much for a small child to get through that. I would prefer did. When you say you did it over two or three days, do you mean like Several weeks apart. Or do you mean like back to back days?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, back to back. So it would be like a morning session, and then I think it was two days. I think it was like morning. And they worked for a couple of hours. And then we left. Will and I both took him, but we were already divorced. We left, took him to, like, lunch, whatever, and then we went back the next day. And I want to say that might have been. Oh, so he was already taking one medication prescribed for the ADHD by his pediatrician. And so the first day of testing, they had him put. They had him do the testing on the medication, and then they re. Ran the same test off the medication.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. When you. When we get off here today, I would love for you to send me who it is, because I'll. I mean, even if I get put on a waiting list, that's fine. Like, as long as I can get him. Get him in.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

He is literally the best. And we had such a great experience. I want to be able to get to this listener question, because I don't know what your answer is. She says, how do you fill your cup? Because I feel like I've completely lost myself. My husband and I are constantly fighting, and honestly, I think it's a part of me not being the best version of myself. I have zero social life, no hobbies. I just go to work and come home. I work in an office alone for 40 hours a week. And I don't really talk or hang out with any friends. I don't really have any. And I probably become antisocial, antisocial from just being alone so much. Meanwhile, my husband is always texting or talking to his friends. They're all married, but I don't really click with their wives. He plays on his PC almost every night, laughing and having a great time with his friends while I'm just here. Boring. And honestly, it's super depressing and lonely. I don't know how to be happy anymore or get out of this or where to begin.

[Kale Lowry]

Damn, I know what that's like. And I do feel like she's probably right if she is, if her husband and her are constantly fighting. And honestly, I think she says, just reiterating what you read. I think part of it is me not being the best version of myself. For sure, it's projection. Whether you are doing it intentionally or not. Like, that is absolutely what it is. That sucks. And I completely understand that. I. I know this sounds a little corny, but I challenge her to. To try something that she wouldn't picture Herself normally liking or gravitating towards. I was never really a reader growing up. And you know, for me it's read like I started slowly on planes when I was traveling because it was like I didn't. I couldn't sleep on the plane, but I didn't want to just scroll on my phone. So I started picking up novels here and there. But like, maybe for her it's crafting. Like, maybe she saw a scrapbook and she wants to, you know, try something like that just to start and then. Or if she has kids. I don't know if she has kids. I met a lot of really decent people, a lot of good friends in kid. My kids, sports. Like, just like. Like trying to do play dates outside of sports with them if she's not really friends with the wives at work. But what if she did like a concert or something? Like, what if the. The husband's friends and their wives, like, you guys just did a collective concert and so you're really with your partner and everyone's sort of doing their own thing, but they're together. Do you know what I mean? Like, we went to Jelly Roll a couple months ago. I think it was like back in October or something. And it was. We. I went with a group of people I don't normally hang out with. Right. Like, I hang out with Jerry and Tom from the Dude Dads, but I don't typically hang out with their w. I'm. I've never worked with their wives. I love them. For the concert was a great time. We all, you know, ate food, they got some drinks. Elijah doesn't hang out with them, but. And then Corey and Kristen were there. So like, we had a great time. And that's not. They're not people that we would normally, like, hang out with on a regular basis.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I sympathize with this person so much because I definitely feel like I went through an identity crisis After Jackson was born in my marriage. I was staying at home with him so much that by the time Will came home, it's like I have mommed and like wifed and house chore all day long. And now my husband's coming home from work, so I can't neglect him because he's been gone from us all day. So there was like, no time for me to fill my own cup. And I had to talk about it in therapy once I started it because my therapist was like, lindsay, what are your hobbies? And I was like, what do you mean? Like, what's a hobby? And she's like, what do you do for you? And I said, I mean, I don't know, like, I'll go and get my nails done like, once a month or something.

[Kale Lowry]

Or that's not a hobby.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And. Yeah, but, like, I didn't know that, like, that wasn't. I had not identified that, that it was not a hobby. She's like, that's. That is something that you're doing for you, but also that's not. That doesn't take brain power for, like, you to do that or investment for you to do that. Like, you're just sitting there and somebody's doing your nails. She's like, I would challenge you to find something that, like, you really love doing. And that's why I started walking so much, because I loved to get outside and do the exercises and, like, have my apple watch and, like, feel like I had done something productive. But also, for me.

[Kale Lowry]

What would you say your hobbies are now? Because, I mean, this is even eye opening for me. Yeah, I read books. I think that's a hobby. It's also become a personality trait. And I sometimes don't want to be social because I would rather read my book, which is sort of unhealthy. What are your hobbies now? Because I would say outside of reading, I don't have any.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And Kristen can attest to this. My hobby is expensive.

[Kale Lowry]

What is. What is it, Pilates?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I. I don't really consider that a hobby either, now that I've had the conversation in therapy that, like, my nails aren't a hobby. Like, I'm doing that for my mental health and my physical health.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, your well being, overall well being.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I don't really consider that a hobby. My hobby is going out and fine dining. Like, I absolutely love a restaurant environment. Like, I look for restaurants on Instagram to, like, look at aesthetics, and I'm like, oh, I want to sit at that restaurant and, like, that food looks good. So I will go out and spend. I'm not even going to tell you guys, like, what I'm spending to, like, do this hobby.

[Kale Lowry]

Is that a hobby, though?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I think it's a hobby, like being a foodie.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, not a foodie, but, like, because it's not. You're not really going for the food. You're going for the ex. The aesthetic and the vibe. Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And, like, I'll be like, oyster eating is a hobby for me. Photos of the amount of oysters I have on my phone. It's sad.

[Kale Lowry]

I. When I dropped Rio off at his little playcare preschool this Morning. There was like a little display of oyster shells that were like painted on and it looked like it was like, it wasn't like, like just like regular paint. It looks like they were like, I don't acrylic paint. I don't know. But it was really cool. And I thought of you because I was like, I don't know who's saving oyster shells and painting on them, but it looks cool. Just be careful with the oysters. If you're going to a high end restaurant, I would hope that they're cooking them all the way. I saw a tick tock, I saw a tick tock recently of things crawling in them. And so they were waiting for their server. I don't know if I could go back and find it. Just be careful.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I obviously look when I take the little tiny fork and like get it out and put it on my saltine, I look to make sure there's no like bugs. But it's probably not going to stop me from eating it, to be perfectly honest.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, fair. When I come to Atlanta, I will try an oyster.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I have the best places to be able to take you. And I feel like I love. People come to me all the time now and they're like, give me like restaurants, give me. And I'm like, oh, well, you can go so and so to here and then you can go pop over there and then they've got a great bar over there. Like, who am I?

[Kale Lowry]

Do you chew an oyster or do you swallow it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Swallow.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then I guess you're chewing.

[Kale Lowry]

Is, is it an acquired taste or is it like you just like it or you don't?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I feel like people who don't like oysters, it's because they don't like the texture. Because my nanny says it's. It's like eating a booger. And I'm like, how do you know about eating boogers?

[Kale Lowry]

I was not a booger eating kid. So, like I picked my nose as a kid, but I was not eating them. Like, it just, I just didn't.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

When do kids actually stop picking their nose?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think they ever do. I don't think humans ever stop picking their nose.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, it's a very weird thing. Like, I might catch Jackson doing it. Not really like that often, but if I catch him doing it, I'll look at him and I'll be like, are you trying to hit your brain? Are you digging for gold?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, did I tell you what I pulled out of Lincoln's nose recently?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, you told the entire podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And I. Now I. Now I ask him, can I see your nose?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, you want to look up in it?

[Kale Lowry]

And if there's. If there's a clot from his. Because he gets regular nose, Like, I ask him, can I see it? Because I want. If there is one. I've never seen anything that big come out of someone's nose. Like, did it come from his brain?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Brain. Like, that's what I was about to say. Like, that's like. That's like remnants of. Of brain matter.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, probably. Probably.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm disgusted. And I also wish that you would have sent me a picture of it.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, well, now I know. If you want to see a picture of it moving forward, I will send them. Because he gets nosebleeds, so, I mean, he should have his. It should be cauterized.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is it cauterized or cauterized?

[Kale Lowry]

Cauterized. Cauterized. Let me look it up. I don't know. Indicted harder. Cauterized nose. Yeah, it's caught. Medical procedure used to treat nosebleeds. Cauterization. Nasal cauterization.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why does your mouth look like that when you're saying it?

[Kale Lowry]

You're like, I just want to make sure I say it properly. Because I got for saying neurovirus and norovirus. I thought that I was. I know that it's norovirus, but I don't know why it comes out wrong. I don't know. Then I thought. Then I was gaslit, and I was like, wait, am my. It's neuro or neuro. So it's. I'm just trying to make sure I don't get attacked, you know?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'll tell you another word that you say that's like, really funny.

[Kale Lowry]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Tournament.

[Kale Lowry]

Tournament.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Tournament.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, no. This is what me and. Me and Becky got into a debate. Say often.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Huh?

[Kale Lowry]

Often. Often you pronounce the T, but it's not supposed to be pronounced. It's supposed to be silent.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Who said that? Why they put it in there?

[Kale Lowry]

I've always said often. Oftentimes. Oftentimes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Often. No, that even doesn't sound right. Often.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I do that. If I said often, it's because I'm trying to teach myself to not say often. But Google says it's often.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What did Becky say?

[Kale Lowry]

It was often.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, Becky's right. It's often. Like, I often do that.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I often do that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, because I'm confused. Like, if you're saying, like, you're off in something like that doesn't even sound normal.

[Kale Lowry]

Say forward.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Forward.

[Kale Lowry]

She says forward.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is she the United States Postal Service? Because I feel like that's how they would say it. Forward.

[Kale Lowry]

Forward.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Forward.

[Kale Lowry]

Forward.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, the tournament thing.

[Kale Lowry]

Tournament.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That gets me. And Kristen says it the exact same way, which makes me believe that it's a, like geographical.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Because everyone that I hear from, like the south and the Midwest, they all say tournament instead of tournament. The same way y' all say oil instead of oil. Oh, yeah, oil.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Can I get some oil? I think that's so weird. It's like you. You're pronouncing like every part of a three letter word.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, every part of a three letter word.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, that's just like too much.

[Kale Lowry]

That's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's taking too much. Okay. And on that note, we have foul play.

[Kale Lowry]

Hi, kitties. So I have a foul play to share with you. And it's not your usual foul play, but trust me, it encompasses the word foul. I was about 36 weeks pregnant and swollen everywhere due to preeclampsia. My feet looked like balloons. My husband and I arrived at the doctor's office for my check and the nurse asked me to do the usual undress from the waist down and lay on the table. Mind you, I was in scrubs and tennis shoes and had just worked an eight hour shift at a vet office and my husband had met me there after work. When the nurse left, I proceeded to take my shoes and socks off as well as my scrub pants. Upon removing my socks, I realized that my feet stunk so bad it immediately filled the room and my husband could smell it and it was awful. He told me to put my shoes back on, but it seemed weird to have the doctor walk in with me naked from the waist down with tennis shoes on. Imagine. So I proceeded to climb onto the counter to stick my feet in the sink to wash. But that didn't work because the soap dispenser was empty. I remembered I had a little bottle of hand sanitizer in my purse. You know the one from Bath and Body Works with the little beads in it. It smells like vanilla cupcakes. I slathered it on my feet, which immediately made it worse because now it just smelled like both things. Stinky feet and vanilla cupcake sanitizer. In a panic, that doctor was going to walk in, I put my shoes back on and my socks back on and got on the table. The doctor walked in and made a slight face. The smell. But proceeded to do my checkup quickly and get out without a word. My husband and I were mortified at the situation. My feet had never been so stinky and sweaty thanks to pregnancy hormones and swelling. And there was. There I was butt naked with my feet stirrups. This was almost 12 years ago and it still is one of the more embarrassing things that has happened to me. Anyway, thanks for reading. I hope you could get a good laugh from my misfortune. Did is the reason because of the preeclampsia what was causing them to smell?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Pretty sure that like side effect of preeclampsia is not right feet.

[Kale Lowry]

Like I'll tell you who has rank feet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Who?

[Kale Lowry]

Rebecca Hayter.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She has nasty ass feet.

[Kale Lowry]

Lindsay. Her feet smell so bad.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But why?

[Kale Lowry]

She just does. And she knows and she thought she like laughs. I hope she. Oh my God. Imagine I'm like, let me ask her if it bothers her because if not. Wait, do your feet smell? She's gonna be like, what the kale? I. My feet don't ever really have an odor. I feel just like a normal.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

My feet have never had an odor, but several of my siblings have like rank feet. So I don't know if it's like a genetic thing or if you just get it from like one of your parents or the other.

[Kale Lowry]

Let me look it up. I'm gonna say, is smelly feet genetic? The Google searches is smelly feet. Oh, people have googled this before. Yes, it can be. Genetics can play a role in smelly feet. Okay. Is smelly feet a side effect of preeclamp? See a pre eclipse sudden swelling of the face, hands and feet. It doesn't say anything about smelling. So that's interesting. I thought she was going to say that there was like the preeclampsia caused her feet to swell and ooze like an infection. That's what I thought. That's where I thought the story was going. Imagine you take your shoes off in a small room and it smells that bad bed. Like, did it subside after pregnancy? Like what I need. I need a follow up here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. But I feel like that's mortifying because your cat is out, right? And it's like, are they gonna think it's my cat or my toes? Like, you're right. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

If it was me, I would have left, like I would have gotten on the table with the little drape over me and I would have told my husband to open the door to let some fresh air in.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Walked some air like something. Yeah, there is nothing worse than stinky feet. But I will tell you that kids wearing like tennis Shoes and stuff or sneakers. Wearing those types of shoes without socks. If they ever wear those types of shoes without socks, and then they go and put those shoes back on with socks, the socks will smell and the shoes smell.

[Kale Lowry]

I have never been able to wear, and I don't know if this is like a universal thing, but I've never been able to wear sneakers without socks.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Me either. Like, that's. That's not a thing. And plus, I probably would have gotten grounded if my dad ever walked by and, like, got a waft of, like, rank ass toes past tennis shoes.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you think that the socks, like, absorb the sweat and, like, prevent the smell?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. And then this also brought me to another question. As you're reading this. When you go to the gynecologist and you're there for, like, your annual. You're all in, like, the gown feeder, in the stirrups or whatever they call them, sometimes I'll wear a baseball cap. It's like, I feel kind of awkward that I'm not taking my baseball cap on and I just, like, have this draped over me. And also, if I don't have a fresh pedicure, I'm not taking my socks off, so I just look like a lunatic.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, so if you're wearing tennis shoes, you take your socks off too?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, yeah, I don't. Well, why? I feel like you look crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. We look crazy. We. I think the fact that men. I think they should. Just for fairness, like, if we're talking about what women go through, I think men should have to get yearly ball checks. Do you know what I mean? Like, they should get yearly urethra checks. Like, just to understand the vulnerability and the awkwardness of us having to go. Especially, like, say you're in. You go to a practice where you have to see a different provider every time. Like, they rotate so you can get to know all of them. Because they never know who's going to be on the schedule. And just regular. I don't know if men are supposed to do that, but they need to. They should get butthole swabs every so often just so that they can understand what we go through.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, do they get their prostate checked every year? The thing where you off?

[Kale Lowry]

Becky said I would tend to have smelly feet. Yeah, but it's more so when I wear shoes, not, like, straight out of the shower.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, explain this. Like, Becky's just walking around with socks and you smell them.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You said yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

See ya.

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[Stassi Schroeder]

I'm Stassi Schroeder, and honestly, you never know who or what you might hear on my podcast, Stassi, because, well, I'm a little cray cray. One of the ways, you know you have grown is when you come to the realization that Carrie Bradshaw is kind.

[Kale Lowry]

Of the worst person.

[Stassi Schroeder]

I've had to explain to her that the fireplace grows so that Santa can fit in it. Now she's going to be like, well, there is no fireplace and we're in this hotel and I'm going to have to explain her.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know.

[Stassi Schroeder]

He gets a hotel room key. Like all these things that you have to come up with, it's just kind of crazy. Should I bring a whistle to wherever I go?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you think that that would be the thing to break the ice?

[Kale Lowry]

Whistle?

[Stassi Schroeder]

Listen up. Every single one of us here is feeling some level of social anxiety, so let's just get on with it, okay? Take a breath, relax. So please do me a fave. Listen, follow rate and review my podcast dossi. Wherever you get your podcast.