Cookie Dough Gate

Summary

Coffee Convos Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley
Episode Title: Cookie Dough Gate
Date: May 7, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode dives into the complexities of public and private life as reality TV personalities, covering everything from pop culture hot takes (the Met Gala, celebrity feuds, “Cookie Dough Gate”), shifting trends in reality television, challenges of personal boundaries on-screen and off, and the ever-present balancing act of motherhood, friendships, and owning your narrative. A blend of sharp honesty, playful banter, and raw reflection drives the discussion.

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Episode Overview

Kail and Lindsie record from Lindsie's Atlanta couch, reflecting on their time together, recent celebrity events, their evolving opinions on reality TV, and the boundaries between their personal and public lives. They address pop culture scandals, significant legislative wins for survivors, and the viral “Cookie Dough Gate” story—a pointed anecdote about boundaries (or lack thereof) in blended family dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up & Pop Culture Reactions

• Kail laments having to leave Atlanta and feeling FOMO.
  • Quote: “I'm actually really sad because I'm leaving today and I don't want to and I have fomo.” (01:37)
• Debate about Spirit Airlines' confusing stock scheme, JetBlue issues, and how current events affect travel and prices. (01:54–03:20)
• Dissection of Met Gala drama—Blake Lively allegedly paying $100K to attend and her fallout with Justin Baldoni, drawing disapproval from both hosts regarding Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds’ recent actions.
  • Quote (Lindsie): “This might be a hot take. I absolutely loathe Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds now.” (03:21)
  • Open speculation on celebrity relationships, public feuds, and whether Taylor Swift should remain friends with Blake after a controversy.

2. Shifting Opinions on Celebrities

• Both openly admit to never connecting with Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s music/personas, much preferring Destiny’s Child’s Kelly Rowland (06:13–06:49).
  • Quote (Kail): “I loved Destiny's Child, but I was not... I was a Kelly girl. Not Beyonce.” (06:32)

3. Celebrity Friendships, Loyalties & Brand Strategies

• Discussion about the transactional nature of celebrity alliances, referencing how some leverage connections (Taylor Swift’s songs, etc.) for social or business advantage. Kail and Lindsie agree such calculated moves feel “foul."
• Quote (Lindsie): “Blake and Ryan Reynolds...they don't care what they're doing behind the scenes, they're going to use whatever leverage that they can use to level up...” (07:22)

4. Mariska Hargitay & Rape Kit Legislation (Current Events)

• Celebration of Mariska Hargitay’s advocacy: now, all 50 US states have laws requiring the tracking and testing of rape kits—praised as a 16-year effort with massive impact.
  • Quote (Kail): “Shout out to Mariska, we love you. ... she's not just playing a detective on TV, like, she's doing real life.” (10:24)
• Discussion of statutes of limitations on sexual assault and advice for survivors to get their kits done, even if not ready to press charges—Kail shares personal experience. (09:04–11:13)
• Quote (Kail): “Even if you do not pursue charges, go get the rape kit. ... If you change your mind in the future...you have the option to go back and still press charges.” (10:47)

5. Parenthood, Formula, and Real-life Recommendations

• Recommendation for Little Spoon formula, tying into broader challenges and acceptance around infant feeding choices. (11:40)

6. Wrestling, Reality TV, and Public Persona

• Kail reveals she’s training with WWE’s Saraya, considering a possible wrestling character.
  • Quote (Kail): “Could you imagine they make a character out of me on WWE? The Teen Mom fans would [lose it] ... Mine would be 'Chaos.'” (17:00)
• The pair reflect on the diversity of WWE fans, reality TV crossovers, and why audiences are captivated by “fake” fighting.
• Lindsie questions the appeal of combative sports, especially “power slap” competitions, criticizing the trend of promoting violence for entertainment. (20:13–21:16)

7. Scripted vs. Unscripted TV: What’s Next for Reality Stars?

• Both unpack their experiences with unscripted TV—Kail sees potential in docu-comedy and is open to “manufactured comedy,” while Lindsie rejects scripted reality due to feeling manipulated by post-production.
• Kail on production manipulation:
  • Quote: “In our contract, it literally said we can spin anything we want so that it makes sense to the audience or how we see fit...” (25:34)
• Lindsie shares that even “unscripted” moments (like her divorce announcement) were heavily staged, causing emotional whiplash.
• Kail wishes more shows used “diary cam” formats for authenticity (37:10–37:50).

8. The Business & Evolution of Reality TV

• Both discuss shifts away from “raw” reality (like early Teen Mom) toward heavily-produced/glam TV.
• They debate the appeal of glitzy shows vs. relatability of unfiltered shows on networks like TLC.
• Quote (Kail): “People are so obsessed with glitz and glam and fame... that is what people are watching. They wouldn’t watch something like Teen Mom today...” (27:12)
• Reflection on the challenges of getting new shows picked up, industry slowdowns, and the unpredictability of fame and stability in their careers (46:06–49:22).

9. Life After Reality TV: Fears and Plans

• Kail expresses fear about losing relevance (and income) after 16 years in reality TV.
  • Quote: “Full transparency: I am scared to not be relevant. ... It’s not necessarily about being well-known, it’s about my paycheck.” (53:14)
• Lindsie is more ready for an exit, eager to have privacy and perhaps shift to production or writing.
• Open discussion about how long to continue podcasting and their desired boundaries on sharing personal life going forward (45:34–55:28).

10. Cookie Dough Gate: When Boundaries Are Crossed

• Lindsie shares the infamous story giving this episode its title: an ex-wife feeding her ex-husband (Lindsie’s then-boyfriend) cookie dough with a spoon in front of Lindsie, without introductions—prompting a discussion on respect, boundaries, and the etiquette of blended families and exes.
• Quote (Lindsie): “She's eating it and then she takes a piece of that off on a spoon and puts it in his mouth right in front of me.” (64:10)
• Both express anger and disbelief; Kail says she’d have “blacked out” in that situation.
• Leads into broader conversation about how exes and co-parents interact and the line between childishness and self-respect (64:10–68:42).

11. Social Media, Online Drama, and Coparenting

• Frustrations over how online "tea" pages stir conflict, how exes sometimes use these pages as ammunition, and the exhaustion of living publicly.
• Both wish for more privacy in coparenting but acknowledge the practical limits due to outside interference and public visibility (70:31–73:54).

12. Foul Play & Relationship Taboos (Fan Mail)

• Listener letter about hiding a bathroom accident (“sharting”) from a boyfriend ignites a hilarious discussion on comfort levels in relationships, bathroom habits, and the different standards for men and women.
• Both admit their own boundaries and embarrassing experiences, providing comedic relief to close out the episode. (74:20–79:38)
• Notable Exchange:
  • Lindsey: “I was with Will for 12 years and never have I pooped around that man. Never have I farted around him, ever.” (77:16)
  • Kail: “I would be mortified... The farting thing, I wouldn't ever do that on purpose. That's like a really touchy subject for me.” (77:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On shifting celebrity alliances:
  “I think that Blake and Ryan Reynolds are the type of people that...are going to use whatever leverage that they can use to level up in whatever way that they can.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (07:25)

• On reality TV authenticity:
  “When we filmed Teen Mom, you could roll out of bed and film. There was no glam, there was no hair and makeup. ...It was real and raw.”
  — Kail Lowry (27:12)

• On ‘Cookie Dough Gate’:
  “She's eating it and then she takes a piece of that off on a spoon and puts it in his mouth right in front of me. ...I'm like, you have me f---ed up.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (64:10)

• On post-reality TV fears:
  “I'm scared to not be relevant. ...The relevancy has to do with money, it doesn't have to do with being well known.”
  — Kail Lowry (53:14)

• On handling online speculation:
  “When I address something right head on, I am absolutely telling the truth... If I don't address something for a year, it's ‘cause I think it'll pass or I'm not ready.”
  — Kail Lowry (58:10)

• On personal boundaries in relationships:
  "I just feel like I would never get in a place in any relationship...where I'm going to announce that I'm going to take a sh*t.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (76:14)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 01:36 – Kail leaving Atlanta, FOMO
• 03:21 – Met Gala, Blake Lively criticisms
• 06:13 – Destiny’s Child nostalgia; views on Beyoncé/Jay-Z
• 08:02 – Mariska Hargitay rape kit law praise
• 11:40 – Little Spoon formula segment
• 16:09 – Kail discusses WWE training aspirations
• 20:13 – Power slap competitions & women's sports
• 25:34 – Behind-the-scenes manipulation in reality TV
• 27:12 – Evolution from “raw” to glam-obsessed reality TV
• 45:34 – Fears about post-TV life, desires for privacy
• 53:14 – Kail's explanations for needing relevance/income
• 64:10 – “Cookie Dough Gate” story begins
• 74:20 – Listener “foul play” bathroom story
• 77:16 – Bathroom boundaries in relationships discussion

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Tone, Flow & Takeaways

The episode blends honesty, humor, and sharp cultural commentary—true to Kail and Lindsie’s established tone. They aren’t afraid to disagree or criticize (whether pop culture icons or each other's reality TV philosophies), but always circle back to their shared longing for authentic connection and the desire to define their own boundaries in a world that profits from exposure.

Listeners will appreciate both the juicy reality TV/celebrity tidbits and the deeper, sometimes raw conversations about privacy, boundaries, and the long-term impacts of living publicly.

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For new listeners:
This episode provides an excellent window into the Coffee Convos dynamic: candid, sisterly, and probing—even when topics get awkward (or “foul”). If you want honest reality TV reflections, motherhood relatability, relationship “don’ts,” and a helping of pop-cultural snark, “Cookie Dough Gate” delivers.

Transcript

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale.

[Kale Lowry]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay.

[Kale Lowry]

Now that we've trauma dumped. Welcome back to Coffee Commas podcast. We are still in Atlanta on Lindsay's couch and I'm so happy to be here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're on your back.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm on my back. And I'm actually really sad because I'm leaving today and I don't want to and I have fomo.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm actually really sad as well because I was hoping that your trip would be extended and maybe your flight was on Spirit and that you would be in court with me.

[Kale Lowry]

Stop praying on my D downfall. Spirit Airlines. Although I did read something that said that there's they're trying to make pass something where the public can pay like $45 to own like. Hold on, let me read it. It's like stock.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Not stock, but like giving completely false information about a business.

[Kale Lowry]

Literally. No, I. I sent it to somebody and it was like Spirit airlines. It's like $40. 45 is the average cost of a flight and so this person is trying to.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No wonder they went under. How do you fly anywhere for 45 with the fuel cost?

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so they've raised $2 million. Basically, what this guy is trying to do is make it a public share. Would be, like, public share company. So they're raising money, and people who buy, like, 45 into it own, like, I guess, stock.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like somebody's gonna get arrested for what you just said.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, well, Elon Musk is alleged.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you pay 45?

[Kale Lowry]

No, but I would. But Elon Musk is trying to bail them out. JetBlue is about to go down. JetBlue's done. And then United Airlines just canceled hundreds of flights, and then their prices went up by 20 because the Iran war. Meanwhile, while all of this is going on, allegedly, Blake Lively paid a hundred thousand dollars to go to the Met gala after she settled with Justin Baldoni. Like, what is this world coming to? I.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This might be a hot take. I absolutely loathe Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds now.

[Kale Lowry]

I will never look at them the same. And I don't know how she was even with paying a hundred thousand dollars. I don't understand how she got to the Met.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, Alessandro said that she was, like, a Met queen.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I didn't know she was as big as she was. Gossip Girl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Xoxo. Were you a Serena or were you a Blair?

[Kale Lowry]

Blair.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Serena.

[Kale Lowry]

I've never seen girl a day in my life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I was a Serena person, too. And then, like, after what happened with Justin Baldoni, I'm just like, I just can't get behind it, you know, I

[Kale Lowry]

am just blown away by the amount of money they spent. Just to settle. 18 months later, if you file a

[Lindsay Chrisley]

lawsuit and 10 out of the 13 claims were dropped, I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, his defamation suit was thrown out very early on. The only thing that confuses me a little bit is that in the article I read last night, it said something about Justin Baldoni, like, was, like, laughing and gossiping about his. With his team, about being able to bury anyone. I didn't understand what that was about because I. I always thought that Justin Baldoni was a good guy in all of this and that he was kind of wrongly accused. My theory remains has always been that there was some. There was romantic feelings on one or both parties, and it went wrong.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I wholeheartedly agree with that. Wasn't Ryan Reynolds filming a movie at that same time? What, Wolverine or.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. And they, like, shaded Justin in the movie and stuff like that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I would imagine that Taylor Swift and Blake are not friends anymore. No, they are. They're still friends.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I didn't know that she was still friends with Blake. I. I heard that she had completely, after all of that, separated herself from.

[Kale Lowry]

That is what I thought publicly. Just to give it a little breathing room. Could you stay friends with someone who you were involved in something like that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think our situation would be different because we would both be involved in it. You know what I mean? But for that, I just feel like that is career suicide. Like, I. If I was Taylor Swift, I would completely separate myself from that. And it's like, to Alessandra's point, for somebody to be falsely, falsely accused of doing something that the court completely threw out the claim. I don't, I'm not morally. I'm not staying aligned with that person or being friends, whether it be publicly or privately.

[Kale Lowry]

The whole thing is so crazy to me. And then blue Ivy, first 14 year old to ever attend the Met. They usually have like an 18 and up policy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

But she's 14 and she was at the Met.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I bet she was so cute.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, she was so cute. She looked beautiful.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Blue Ivy, I feel like has to be one of the wealthiest kids in the world.

[Kale Lowry]

I could imagine. But I'm not a Jay Z or Beyonce fan. Sorry, don't come for me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm not a Jay Z or Beyonce fan either.

[Kale Lowry]

Fan of either of them. I never got the hype. I mean, even when Destiny's Child was a thing. Please don't come for me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I did like Destiny's Child.

[Kale Lowry]

I loved Destiny's Child, but I was not. I was a Kelly girl. Not Beyonce.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kelly Roland.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, yeah. I was always a Kelly girl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I loved Destiny's Child, but then when Beyonce went out on her own, I'm just like, it's kind of given the vibes that you're. Pick me, you know, I'm not saying

[Kale Lowry]

that she's not a businesswoman. I'm not saying she's not stunning. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just not a huge fan of her music. Like, it's just not my vibe.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Could you stay friends with someone? Just put yourself in a situation of Blake and Taylor?

[Kale Lowry]

No, because I would feel used. Like, I feel like, why. What was Blake Lively's thing with Taylor Swift's song? Like, in the movie, it ends with us. What was the. Like, why did you need that so bad?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I think to pull some of Taylor's audience, I would guess, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah, because the Swifties will Swift.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, the Swifties Will Swift and Blake knows that. But I also think that behind the scenes, I believe Taylor Taylor was probably authentically Blake's friend. But I think that Blake and Ryan Reynolds are the type of people that they don't care what they're doing behind the scenes, they're going to use whatever leverage that they can use to level up in whatever way that they can.

[Kale Lowry]

That's so foul.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And like, I used to love them as a couple. Like, I used to think it was, like, so funny when he would, like, put out tweets and it would be like trolling her. I used to think it was so funny.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't get it. On the other hand, in current events, I did come across Misha did a post about Marisa Hargitay. Is it Hargitay? Is that how you pronounce it? I think so. I'm going to pull it up the best about rape kits, which I absolutely loved. So let me play this audio really quick, y'. All. Did you see that? For the first time in US history, there are now laws in place for all 50 states to track and test rape kits. And why have these laws passed? Because of Mariska Hargitay. Yes. Olivia Benson herself. And huge shout out to Mariska because she didn't just, like, put a hashtag on Instagram for a little while. This was 16 years of lobbying and fighting and calling and just forcing change. And obviously this is huge. So that's good news in the United States for this current event. Current events time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, so it stays in, like a registry?

[Kale Lowry]

Because before I'm 99 sure that the rape kits, they would expire after some time. You. You. They would discard them, biohazard, get rid of them, destroy them. There's like a statute, not a statute of limitations, but like a time frame that you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is there a statute of limitations on rate charges?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I think there might be.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, there is. I'm wondering if it's because I'm federal or state.

[Kale Lowry]

I think the. The time frame varies by state. But yes, there is a statute of limitations, to my knowledge. So, I mean, either way, it's good news. Hopefully it really does what it. What it needs to do. Alessandra just sent the screenshot that says statues of statutes of limitations for rape vary significantly by jurisdiction. But many states and countries have eliminated time limits for prosecuting felony sexual assault. Many juri allow prosecution at any time, particularly if DNA evidence exists or if the victim was a minor at the time of the offense, which this goes hand in hand with what Mariska just did, because there's no statute of limitations. So now if there's rape kits that can be saved and tested and there was like another event, like, that's a huge deal. So I actually love that she is not just playing a detective on tv, like, she's doing real life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, that's awesome.

[Kale Lowry]

Amazing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So it's saying numerous states have abolished the statute of limitations for rape and sexual assault, meaning charges can't be filed at any time regardless of when the crime occurred. The thing is, is without what you just said, that she got passed, if the rape kit was discarded.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Then they wouldn't have the evidence, I guess, to be able to move forward.

[Kale Lowry]

In a lot of ways, this is a good sign. But in a lot of ways it's like, I mean, if nothing else, my message to anyone who has been a victim of sexual assault or rape, which I am myself, go get the rape kit. Even if you do not pursue charges, go get the rape kit. Because now that they're not going to discard them, if you change your mind in the future, which a lot of people do, you have the option to go back and still press charges. So.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, we were talking about this before we started recording and Alessandra made such a great point that even though it's not your fault, there is a level of like guilt and shame that is associated with that. And I think just making sure that you cover all of your bases. I mean, there's other things that I'm going through. There's things that you're currently going through which is like, make sure you cross your T's and dot your eyes.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

What I love. Oh, Law and Order. Watched it from season one when I was pregnant with cream.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Were you like an SVU girly?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, Like, I love Law and Order svu. I don't know before court if I should be watching that. That might be true. Yeah, we should.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll be on a plane.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Are you getting jealous?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm at FOMO so bad. Alessandra and Lindsay and Kayla will be here. And obviously I wish it was different circumstances, but I wish that we were staying. I'm so sad that I'm leaving. I'm gonna go do WWE training.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why? Are we going to wwe?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I'm not going to. I'm just training. I'm just learning the moves. Do you know what I mean? Do you think I could do a hurricana?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is that?

[Kale Lowry]

I'll put you in a guillotine.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is that?

[Kale Lowry]

I have no idea.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Are you gonna join wwe?

[Kale Lowry]

I wish. Could you imagine they make a character out of me on wwe? The Teen mom fans would themselves tell us in the comments or in the reviews. Like, what would you go? What would our characters. Because it's acting right? Like it's a whole plot, there's a whole storyline, there's characters. Right. Like, what would. Mine would be chaos.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know what mine would be like, because I can remember myself in that situation.

[Kale Lowry]

You could be a ring girl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I feel like I would be. I would be better cut out for that. I could be your ring girl.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I don't even think they have ring girls in wwe. That's like more of like a boxing situation or like a us.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Were the Bella twins wwe?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Are they still in it?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So, like, at what point do WWE people retire?

[Kale Lowry]

When they get injured or hurt? And when you. Let me tell you something about wwe. And I did not know this until I went to WrestleMania. The fans of WWE is every walk of life. Lindsay, you would be. You would be shook. I'm talking like, CEOs, CFOs of hedge funds are fans of WWDE, all the way down to the trailer park trash that I am. Right. Like, you walk through a WrestleMania crowd and you're gonna see millionaires and you're gonna see people that live in poverty, you know, every walk of life, every race, every ethnicity, and the fans are insane.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you know that WWE was Chrislino's best lead in?

[Kale Lowry]

What do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

On USA Network?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, it aired before smackdown or, like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Raw or Monday Night Raw?

[Kale Lowry]

Monday night. Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. That was a lead in for Chris Lee Knows Best.

[Kale Lowry]

That's amazing. That's probably.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But imagine, though, like, I know you're saying, like, such an eclectic, like, group of people, but imagine being new to reality TV and, like, your lead in is Raw.

[Kale Lowry]

No, that's. That's actually perfect because then you get all the walks of life that watch

[Lindsay Chrisley]

WWE and a lot of people talking.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, of course, but. And then you have that as your lead up. Like, that's honestly genius marketing, because I was shook. I could not believe. I mean, we're talking. Every type of person that you could imagine on this planet was in that crowd. And it's all acting and it's so cool. And I just can't even imagine, like, like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I guess what I can't understand is if we know it's acting, then, like, why are we going? Well, like, what's the fun in it?

[Kale Lowry]

So then why are we watching movies and reading books and watching TV shows if we know it's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I guess that's. I guess that's true, but I'm just like, we're literally, like, plopping ourselves down on a floor and doing, like, the weird stuff that, like, goes on why are we. And tapping out and, like, doing all of that? Like, why are we doing that?

[Kale Lowry]

To Alessandra's point, she's. I don't know if anyone can hear. She was saying, like, gladiators. And, like, from since the beginning of time, we were watching people fight as entertainment. Boxing, ufc. That's not fake, but it's still fighting.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I've just never been able to really get behind, like, those sports.

[Kale Lowry]

Are they considered sports to watch boxing in ufc? Like, really? Yes, I. With boxing. Creed's name is Creed, but I just feel like it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's, like, so violent. For what?

[Kale Lowry]

No, there is a new. Like, I don't know if it's new. It's new to me. The. The slapping. Have you seen it? It's people, like, slapping each other to the point that they're bleeding and crying, and it's just like, wait, where are they doing this? It's. It's like ufc, like, on tv,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

and

[Kale Lowry]

it's women, and they just go. And they bleed and they cry. Hold on. He'll show you. There's nothing entertaining about that to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I want to see it.

[Kale Lowry]

It's so weird that I can't get

[Lindsay Chrisley]

behind, but where did y', all, like, run across this? I've never heard of this, ever. This, to me, is abuse.

[Kale Lowry]

Let me see.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And they have, like, rules. So, like, if you're down for a certain amount of time, like, same thing. It's like, right? This is literally insane.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Could you imagine value just coming to you and, like, I want to slap 20 years, and I'm gonna be. What do they call this thing?

[Kale Lowry]

Power slap?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Power slapper, I would say.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I'm not supporting that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I just feel like that's perpetuating abuse.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I don't know. I don't know if it's new. I don't know where it came from. I have no idea.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I can't get behind it. But, like, how would their body, like, doing that, not feel like they're getting in a car wreck, like, tensing up

[Kale Lowry]

like that, like, bracing for impact. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know if it's new, if it's always been around and it's just, like, now being, like. Like, more publicized or what, but that. I don't want to watch that. There's nothing entertaining to me about that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, why. Why are they promoting sports like that? And then.

[Kale Lowry]

And it's women. And that's the thing that pisses me off, is, like, of all women's sports, this is what you want to promote?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Mm.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, let's get a female football. I follow women's tackle football situation. Like, let's promote that. Let's do lacrosse. Let's, you know, gymnastics.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, all those women tackle football. Like, they started league and what's it called?

[Kale Lowry]

I follow them on Instagram.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Are you joining it?

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I'd pop an implant.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But wait, we need to go back to the WWE thing for a second. At what point of your life did you say, I'm leaving Atlanta and I'm going to, like, train for wwe?

[Kale Lowry]

I was always training for wwe, and then I made it Atlanta, a stop on the way.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But are you training with, like, somebody from wwe?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I'm training with Soraya.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Are you excited about it? Are you scared?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm excited about it. I'm really excited.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, imagine our big ages, just, like, throwing our bodies on the floor. You.

[Kale Lowry]

I wish you could have came with us. That would have been so fun.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, are you gonna find an opponent?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, Matt. Imagine I didn't do Teen mom, and I was like, let me sign up for wwe. Remember the Miz, the Big Bad? My whole character is a cowgirl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Bad.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Big back.

[Kale Lowry]

Big back, big back. So it's not out of the question for them to sign somebody from Teen Mom. And I come with a cult, like, following as well. I'm just saying wwe, call me for real. Like, I'm training, but call me for real.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You have so many business plans that I. I'm just starting to get concerned. And right before we started recording, Kale was like, I'm just fascinated. I want a reality show like, Chris Lee Knows Best, but, like, my family,

[Kale Lowry]

I think that Chris Lee Knows Best is. Would be, like, that style. Like, would it be docu comedy where it's, like, reality, but it's, like, with a funny. Yeah. Spin on it. That's what I see for my family. So, like, all the times I've said, like, killing the chaos, like, my kids chew me up and spit me out every day. But, like, we also have a lot of love in our house. So I think it would just be a funny take on, like, because the Kardashians is all girls, one boy. We're all boys, one girl. And then the Chrisley Knows Best docu comedy vibe. I think that is the vibe for Kale in the Chaos.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But would you be okay in a hypothetical situation? You had a show. Would you be all right with their being levels of scripted.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. Basically manufactured comedy. But, like, we're already, like, my Kids are already funny, so it's not like it would be. We're not being something we're not. It's just manufactured comedy. You've seen. Everybody has seen my kids be funny or heard my kids be funny. So, like, it's not like it would be out of the question where, like, I don't want to talk about my personal problems, my drama. I want it to be, like, the funniest, the funny spin on. Yeah, all the things. And so, to be honest with you, I. I am a little surprised that all of my production deals have fallen through, because, I mean, I can. I can hold an audience. Do you know what I mean? Like, I. I've proven that time and time again.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's so interesting that you say that you would be okay with scripted, but you came from unscripted. I guess technically, Chris Lee Knows Best was unscripted. But when you have a film cycle and you're dressing up in costumes, like, obviously, like, there's some level of scripting going on there. I would never participate in a scripted reality TV show ever again. I just think it's so interesting because I feel like Kayl and I are so aligned in so many ways at this point. But the fact that you would do scripted reality tv. I would never go on a scripted show ever again.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I feel like, for me, coming from an unscripted reality show where anything that I said could be cut and pasted on another scene and not having any control over what was being filmed or edited or how, like, in our contract, it literally said we can spin anything we want so that it makes sense to the audience or how we see fit, where it's scripted, you know, ahead of time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You don't, though.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, you don't?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You don't. They have full editing control in post production, so they can take a clip from whatever and shorten that conversation to make it sound like something that it was not.

[Kale Lowry]

But I guess it would be less focused on, like, super deep and personal things. Like, it would be more like, okay, Elliot is auditioning for this play and we're, you know, or this movie, and we're all cracking up because he got a bad haircut or something like that. And it's, like, making it funny. Or, like, I my pants in public. It's not talking about sitting on a couch, talking about baby daddies because I'm tired. Like, I make jokes about it, but, like, I hated filming about it. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I do get that, but we were talking about Aspen Ovard and the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives a couple episodes ago.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I feel like I relate to what she's saying so much when she's like, I'm just like, ready to just be so, like, authentically me and my story. I think there is so much freedom in that. Like, I know you've had traumas from it, but I just feel like it's so freeing.

[Kale Lowry]

That's fair. There's probably pros and cons to both, but it's interesting to me, the shift in reality TV now I don't think things are. When we filmed Teen mom, none of it was, man, like, it's hard because I want to be careful about my words. Right. Like, when we filmed Teen mom, you could roll out of bed and film. There was no glam, there was no hair and makeup. There was no, there was nothing. It was real and raw. Yes, there were certain things that we knew we had to film about or we knew we had to talk about. But now I feel like the shows that are most successful are the ones that are in full hair and makeup. The, like, Secret Lives, Secret Lives, Kardashians, Just any of the real. I mean, even Chrisley knows best. Like, you guys weren't rolling out of bed and filming with your hair on top of your head like a sloppy bun and in depression. Like I was, you know what I mean? Like, there were plenty of seasons where I looked like a whole slob kebab and nobody cared. I still had the same audience where now I think that people are so obsessed with glitz and glam and fame and I think that social media has a little bit of, a little bit to do with, a lot to do with that. And so that's what's appealing to everybody. Everybody wants what's not attainable. So that is what people are watching. They wouldn't watch something like Teen mom today where you're rolling out of bed and it's not glam and we're, you know, trashy. When a child feels safe and supported in their learning environment, it can make a huge difference. And that's why so many families are turning to K12 powered schools for at home learning. Because every K12 is a welcoming environment for students and families alike. And it lets your child learn where they feel the most comfortable.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

True, but I don't think they have the same cult like followings the shows I think do.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm not saying the cast. I think the shows got it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I could see that. Like, like, those. Those cast don't necessarily have the same success in occult, like, following with, like, social media and stuff. I would agree.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What do you think about speaking of the Kardashians? What do you think about Khloe getting her own show called the Girls?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm excited to see that. But that also is money, glitz, and glam.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I mean, their entire life is money, glitz, and glam.

[Kale Lowry]

So do people love that more? Like, because that's almost. To me, it feels almost like characters on a TV show.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, but how do you go if you're like, I want full production, I want the hair and makeup, like, I want all of that stuff, and then you're gonna come on a podcast and talk authentically raw about your life? Because I don't think those two things align.

[Kale Lowry]

True. Because, like, I was rolling out of bed on the. On Teen mom, and then I came on here and got to, like, explain myself. Right, Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So it's like, how do those things align?

[Kale Lowry]

So interesting.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then I'm thinking about the Kardashians and Khloe's new show, the Girls. I'm assuming it's going to be Hulu.

[Kale Lowry]

I think.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think. Do we think that that's going to take away from her storyline on the Kardashians? Because I feel like you only have so much time to be able to do stuff, so is it only going to show her life, like, going to dinner and lunch and whatever with her girlfriends? And then, like, the realer stuff is going to be on the Kardashians.

[Kale Lowry]

I think she's going to have a minimal role on the Girls. I think she's a producer, so she'll have a more minimal role. And she wants to make the girls the, like, main characters, like the other girls, the main character characters.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Would you ever go on another show that was an ensemble cast of girls?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. I would love to have a killer network show with me, you, Becky, Kayla, Alison. I would love that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And, like, everybody have their own storylines,

[Kale Lowry]

like Teen mom, but killer network.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, but Kale, that's not glitz. And glam.

[Kale Lowry]

Part of it is, I mean, we're in hair and makeup right now, right? So, like, it would show both sides. Rolling out of bed, taking the kids to school. Some days I have time to get ready in the morning before I take them. Some days I have to drop them off and then come home back. Come back home and get ready. Some days Ike takes them like. You know what I mean? Like, it would show both sides. It would show us being working and also moms. Do you know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So something that I was uncomfortable with in the Chrislino's Best contract was in the initial contract. I don't know if it was, like, in ones that followed, but in that initial contract, they could put cameras, like, in your house without your knowledge.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't remember if we had that clause for Teen mom, but I do know it said that they could show up unannounced at any time. They never did because of budgets. They never did. I always argued I would get really frustrated. And at the time, I didn't understand. But I wanted it to be Jersey Shore style, where they just put the cameras up. We knew about them. Don't put them up against my knowledge, because we change diapers and stuff like that. We. You know, there are certain conversations that do not need to have to be public. But I would argue because I would want them to just set up cameras so that they could get real moments the first time. Because what would happen so often would be something would happen in real time and they wouldn't be there to film it. And then we had to recreate it. So, yes, that did happen, but not that way. And so I would get so frustrated. Just put the cameras up and get it the first fucking time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But you would have that same issue and scripted, because I remember when I told my parents that Will and I were getting a divorce, that whole scene was set up by production. And then they didn't film the interviews for that until, like, seven days later. So by the time I had, like, processed filming that, I was in a completely different mental headspace by the time I filmed the interviews.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, and that was hard, too. That's so hard. I would get so pissed off at the vo's that were written for me. And I would argue because, one, if it didn't happen that way, but that's how they edited it to make sense to the audience. And then they wrote the vos for me and I had to read them. I would argue tooth and nail because I'm like, one, I'm not in this headspace Two, that's not how it happened. And three, I'm not saying this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I literally cried in that interview because I had already gone back. I was staying in Nashville with Jackson at that time when I filmed that scene. Go back home, come back to Nashville to film interviews. And I'm, like, literally bawling in the interview because I'm. I'm like, I'm gonna reconcile now. Like, I wasn't seven days ago, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yep. Yep.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so that's the up part of tv. And, like, people don't understand that.

[Kale Lowry]

I also wanted. Instead of the VO for Teen Mom, I argued for confessionals. Like, you guys had the interviews because when we. When Javi and I did marriage boot camp, we did the interview style.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I. I like the, like. What is it called? Diary cam.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I like the diary cam style versus, like, full glam on a couch with producers behind a camera. And then you're authentically getting where someone's at. You can. You can submit multiple diary cams over a period of days to get the full trajectory of what's going on.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. Agreed.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so when you're sitting down in a curated setting. Setting, and they're like, let's walk back this scene. And they're showing you footage now I

[Kale Lowry]

have hair and makeup, and what if I cry?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I literally am not divorcing my husband anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, when you're in a. I was

[Lindsay Chrisley]

only divorcing him seven days ago.

[Kale Lowry]

When you're. When you're in a whole other headspace, you don't you. For me, I'm gonna speak for myself. When I'm in a different headspace, I come across cold. So, like, when I had to recreate the scene of telling. And I've said this a million times. This is not new information. But when I had to recreate the scene where I tell Jordan I cheated on him and I look like a cold. It's because we had already talked about it. A month. I don't know how far in advance it was. We had already talked about it, already moved on. We were staying together. He forgave me. We were moved on. So now I have to retell this man that I cheated on him with Joe on camera When I'm 19 years old, and it's a whole knockdown, drag out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, wasn't Jordan the one that you met at Sports Authority?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And you cheated on him with Joe, and then you got back with Jordan?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, we didn't break up. I cheated on him. And then when I told him I cheated on him, Actually, he caught me in the act.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

He caught you with Joe?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Where were y'? All?

[Kale Lowry]

In the shower,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

just banging one out. So he walks in.

[Kale Lowry]

No, he's banging on the door.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So what did you do?

[Kale Lowry]

Got out of the shower.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And what did Joe do?

[Kale Lowry]

Told him that I slept with him, but I didn't want him. I just didn't want be to have him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, that's so relatable.

[Kale Lowry]

I did not want someone.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's so relatable to not want someone, but to not want somebody else to have them. Mm. I felt like that about multiple people. Actually. Every single person that I've ever been

[Kale Lowry]

with, I did not want him, but nobody else could have him either. Do you still feel that way about Joe? Yeah. I wish I never had him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

I wish Elliot Rivera was Immaculate Conception, because I wish I never. I wish V had him from the jump.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's so crazy. Did you feel that way after you got divorced?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Ex husbands. I feel like this is gonna sound insane.

[Kale Lowry]

It's not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Should be off limits.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, that's why, like, the secret lives of Mormon wives, where they're, like, with Chase McWhorter, I'm like, maybe they weren't really. Were they friends, the girls?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I think because you can be

[Kale Lowry]

friendly and not be friends. And so for. That was sort of like the argument with, like, the whole Brianna thing was like, are we friends or are we friendly? Do you know what I mean? But we were on the same show. I don't give a.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, why are you fucking my ex husband? I feel like I'm so past, like, my divorce and stuff. I will always love him as a person, but also, anybody who has ever known me through an arm's length transaction is not being with my ex husband.

[Kale Lowry]

See, that's the thing is, like, it's not whether we were friends or friendly. Either way, we have a. A working relationship.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

An arm's length relationship. This isn't a six degrees of separation. This is. We are on the same. We had surgery together. We did these things. Like, that's weird to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's very, very odd. And it's giving. I want to lick your cat is what it's giving.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I just sometimes reflect on my life, and I'm like, am I nuts, or did this happen?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I said that this morning. I said, is this. People would think that we're nuts, but, like, we're sane.

[Kale Lowry]

Every part of my life at some point has felt insane. Like, And I do. Like, people think that I don't know where I am the problem. I'm fully aware where I am the problem. Does that make sense? Yes. But there is a lot of my life that it's not me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I think that people believe that like we manufacture stuff and it's like, no, this really happened and we didn't know it was going to happen.

[Kale Lowry]

So like manufacturing the drama or like inviting the drama? No, I think years ago. Toxic kale 10 years ago. Yeah, I was starting drama, right. Like in my 20s on reality TV. Like involved the people I was surrounding myself with, were encouraging it. But like now you think I'm gonna.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's just like not worth it, you know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

once you've been in a business like this for such a long period of time, you get worn down.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, that's crazy. You said that. Because last night when I went to bed, I sleeping in Lindsay's guest room, and I'm like, what am I going to do when this is all over? Right? Because, like, 10 years from now, we're probably not going to have a podcast. Like, would you do a podcast in your 40s?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, look at, like, lady gang. Aren't they.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Older.

[Kale Lowry]

Do we think that we can maintain an audience that long? Like, what is next for us? Like, what is the long term plan? And I was just thinking, like, what is next? Like, I'll podcast until we have one listener left. You know what I mean? Like, I will continue the podcast, but, like, say, podcasting, just, like everything else shifts and changes and there's like a new platform or whatever, we're gonna have to start all over again and we won't have that same. I would love.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would love to be in production,

[Kale Lowry]

to pass the torch. And like, I am not one to push my kids into the spotlight, but two Kids of mine specifically want to be in the spot. Elliot and Lux want to do movies. They want to do comedy. They want to do acting. They want to do all of that. I would love nothing more for me to then go on the. On the production side, one, for protection of my kids. But two, because I kind of already have the experience. But I also, I would love to go to law school to do entertainment contracts so that I could help in that way. And that's something that I don't have to litigate. I don't have to be a litigator. I could just be a contract attorney or a trademark attorney. Yeah, I would love that. I would love nothing more than maybe down the line, be on the production side only and. And do, you know, like, we could

[Lindsay Chrisley]

be consultants for other people who want to get in it so we can be like agents behind the scenes so our lives can somewhat be private. Because at some point it does get exhausting.

[Kale Lowry]

Like right now, I'm. I'm good. I love our audience. I think that a lot of the writers will give us constructive criticism. I think that they keep us in the know about a lot of things, and I'm thankful for where we are right now. But I was just having, like, I was like, reflecting a little bit, like, you know, I want to move out of Delaware and like, have a fresh start. And like, what does that look like for, like, maybe will I go to law school at that time? Because the twins will be getting ready to go to preschool or kindergarten. So, like, like, what is next? Maybe like, while we're still podcasting, I start that process kind of deal just like, what is next for me?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would love, and I've said this since Chrisley Knows Best, I would love to write story for shows.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, that would be good. Scripted or non scripted? Both.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Both.

[Kale Lowry]

I would love that. I think the craziest thing is that I don't think people realize it is on the back end, like production and producing and camera work and all of that is really hard right now because the major networks, like Hulu, Netflix, I don't know, Peacock, Paramount, whatever, they're buying shows two, three years in advance. So, like, right now I've been under contract for my own reality show for on and off for three, four years and. But the networks have already bought their programming for those years, and so it's so much harder. Even though I've shown longevity and I've shown that I can hold an audience, to get into, it is so hard. And then we did a call for Killer and The production was like, you know, we're gonna try to get funding for this, blah, blah, blah. We get a call, they asked me, do I have any camera people that I was comfortable with from any of my experience on Teen Mom. And so I gave them a couple names. I reached out to a couple of them and they're like, you know, we do need work. Like, I know, like, they're not even finding work work, which is so crazy. So it's like the back end. Like TV producers, filmmakers, all of that, they're having a hard time too, because they might get an idea in 2026. And Netflix, everybody is all booked up for the next three years.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, it's crazy that you say that because when I had Miranda Hope on the Southern Tea, I had been sent an advanced screener for the season. Oh, that was coming out okay. Like, I think I had her on maybe like a week prior to.

[Kale Lowry]

You had her on in Dallas.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Ye.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I think the following week the season premiered.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

They were already filming for their next season when this one was airing, when that one was airing.

[Kale Lowry]

Yep. That's how Teen mom was. Sometimes we would be 18 months in advance, but look at Alex Earl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But do you know how hard that is to be on a show like what you were on? And it's like you're reliving the stuff all over again so much later.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, that was hard.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So how do you. How do you heal from any of it?

[Kale Lowry]

You don't.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But see, the turnaround on Chris Lee Knows Best was so fast. We filmed, when we started, we filmed a pilot which ended up turning into, I believe it was the first eight episodes, which. Which aired as season one.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think we started filming in August or September and that was just for the pilot. Between that time and it being pitched to networks, they already had boots on the ground in January. That does make sense.

[Kale Lowry]

She basically was saying like now with streaming and how cable is basically becoming obsolete is that when we film any type of show, whether it's a reality show, documentary, like multi part series, or scripted, you have to put it all out at one time. You're not waiting every single week the same way that we were with cable, because there's prime time spots, there's the talk show shows at 4 o', clock, there's daytime, like all of that. And so.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But it is completely changed the way that we watch tv. I absolutely hate that they release an entire season at one time.

[Kale Lowry]

You hate it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I do. I love the fact of being able to like look forward to the following week. Like, I watched the one episode and it was like that time for that week, and then the following week I'm gonna watch the next episode.

[Kale Lowry]

I definitely think that it promotes. No, like it, it prevents you for being productive because you get sucked in. And so you're stuck in one spot. Because if I know that there is a three part documentary or something, I'm. I'm benching all of it. So now everything else gets. Doesn't get done. Everything gets pushed to the side because I'm sucked in. Where like before it was like I wasn't gonna sit there and, and watch, you know, a half hour or one hour show and then. Then probably watch something else. Like, it wasn't like that. It was like, okay, now I have to get up and be productive. The show is over. There's no. I don't watch anything else right now. You can just binge. I mean, when I was pregnant with Creed, I started Law and Order from the beginning and I just sat there and sat there and sat there. Wasn't productive with doing anything else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And that's why I like it to be released like one episode a week. And then when you're done, you're done.

[Kale Lowry]

And you could watch the whole thing through.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, it could be an, an 18 episode season. I don't care. It's gonna take me 18 weeks to watch it. Yeah, like, I love that.

[Kale Lowry]

Fair. I think there's pros and cons to both. But. But yeah, so I don't know. The reality TV is shifting. I would love to know from our viewers comment and, and write reviews about. Do you like the glitz and glam kind of selling sunset vibes of everything, the Kardashian vibe? Or do you like rolling out of bed and it's real raw, no makeup up? Maybe a little both. I was saying, I don't know if you heard me, but I was saying a killer network show where it's part glitz and glam when we get hair and makeup and do all the things, but then it's also like we're moms on the back end.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you think that you just want to be part of something scripted because it's what you don't know and it's something different.

[Kale Lowry]

Full transparency. I am scared to not be relevant. I'm scared to. For what life is going to look like, like, without TV. I'm scared that my 15 minutes is running out and I won't be able to provide for my kids the same way I have for the past 16 years. Full transparency, it's not necessarily about. And the relevancy has to do with money. It doesn't have to do with being well known. So when I say relevance, I mean in terms of like, my paycheck because I can't go work a 9 to 5 and provide the life for my kids that I have for 16 years. Yes. So it's more about that than anything. Like, obviously I have loved the fan base and the supporters and the viewership and all of that, but, like, I have been doing this since I was a child. So imagining what my life would be like without what I have now is a really scary thought for not just myself, but for my kids.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I completely understand where you're coming from, but I have a completely different take on it. I'm like, I've been doing this since I was pregnant and now I have a 13 year old. And what's the exit strategy and how do I do it fast enough?

[Kale Lowry]

See, I. That's where I'm at too. But it's scary to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's scary because it's the unknown.

[Kale Lowry]

But when I tell you if we could have this podcast and live completely private lives at the same time, like, have the best of both, I would love that. I would love nothing more than to talk about, like, basically be a tea podcast where we're covering reality shows, we're covering documentaries, we're covering and then not putting. Not disclosing so much of our personal lives. But I also love our fans. Like, I love our listeners. I love our audience. I love that they feel like we're their best friends. Like, I love that aspect of it. And it's so hard too.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And that would be hard to.

[Kale Lowry]

But that's why I say the show that I would want to do would not be about. I don't want to have a conversation about my son going through puberty. I don't want to have a conversation about my. The custody battle. I don't want to have a. A show about like. Like, you know, I want to file to relocate, make it funny. Not in a way that's like, my kids are gonna look.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Comedic relief.

[Kale Lowry]

Comedic relief about it. Yeah. How do we spin this so it's funny, it's entertaining, and nobody gets hurt.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But also, that is how we operate kind of as a team. We add comedic relief to our trauma. It's like we'll be like talking dark humor, the most trauma dump moments. And we're sitting there cackling and it's like, okay, maybe we are crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I definitely am. A little bit batshit. You know what I mean? Like, I am. How many times, though? You have to be crazy to do this. No, you. You have to be mentally ill to do this. You have to. Tv.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I think that ever being a part of reality TV or being connected, like for Alessandra or anybody on our team who hasn't been on tv, I think reality TV perpetuates mental illness.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

okay, could I carry this through law school to get me to the next step? Right? Because I used teen mom to pay for my degree, so I was able to get my undergrad. Now how do I carry the podcast? Because I've always said that when the twins go to kindergarten, I want to go to law school. So, like, could I Carry this podcast for the next, next, we'll say five years to get me to that next step. So that way I could make the income being an entertainment attorney or something like that to take me to the next step. Because at that point then we can transition to solely the back end, be on Alessandra's side of things, and produce, you know, if Elliot wants a podcast or somebody else wants a podcast and we pick them up. Oh, I also would love to clarify something. I read something about myself online the other day that was like, when Kale addresses something, immediately she's lying. And when she doesn't address it, she's. Or not. No, when I address something immediately you're telling the truth. I'm telling the truth. And when I don't address it, I'm lying. And I just want to say it's the opposite. You know, kind of got me up. When I address something right head on, I am absolutely telling the truth. Because I'm like, okay, what? And then if I don't address something for a year, it's cuz I think it'll pass or I don't want to address it at all. And then I realize I have to still address it. Or on the flip side of that, I'm in the trenches trying to get through this emotionally and mentally, and I'm not ready for whatever is going to come with this. I need to process it before I talk about it. So both times I'm telling the truth, but there are certain things I'm not ready to talk about. But if I talk about something immediately, it is because y' all pissed me the off.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. But also there are certain things that I've just seen, like flying around the Internet. I mean, it's literally just flying around the Internet. And it's like, first of all, the theories are wild that some people come up with and they are so committed to some of those theories.

[Kale Lowry]

Committed the level of.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I wish it could be that committed in a relationship.

[Kale Lowry]

Truly, they could solve crimes though. Like, truly. But they put that energy into good. Could solve crimes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I'm just like, the theories are so crazy. And people also understand that there's like certain legalities, like behind certain stuff. So maybe if we're not addressing something head on, it's probably because we're either processing or there's a legality behind it. I do think, think over the last two years, Kale and I went through a similar time where I wanted to kind of like back off stuff of my personal life and then she backed off stuff of her personal life at the same time. And then people are like, what are they doing? They're not telling us anything about their personal life. It wasn't like I was picking up the slack when you weren't telling yours. Or you were picking up the slack because I wasn't telling mine. We just kind of like shifted and now I think we're kind of of like in a gray area.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Damned if you do damage. Was that a bird hit the window?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you hear that?

[Kale Lowry]

Can I radiate you for a second?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

All right, say you're dating someone or you're married. You're in a relationship, committed relationship, exclusive. This is your ride or die. Your partner and you go out to dinner. You're at a store somewhere, public lick.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

And a woman comes up to you guys, gives your man the biggest hug and wraps her legs around his body.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Legs?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, like, you know, and like you pick him up into a hug and it's like this big hug with the legs wrapped around and oh my God, I've missed you so much. Like, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. He never introduces you. You've never heard of this woman in your life. What do you do?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is this something that's happened to somebody that we know.

[Kale Lowry]

Know. I'm just wondering. And it's like, oh, and then like towards the end, oh, by the way, this is my wife.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, we need to. To understand as full blown grown adults that there is a level of appropriate touch. So I'm just wondering why any woman would come into a public place and wrap legs around somebody. I'm leaving.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I'm lit. You literally walk around, hear from me again. Because the level of disrespect. I'm your wife. I've never heard of this woman. So if you have these kind of feelings for this woman and I don't know about her and you've never mentioned her name and now she's coming up to you in a public setting. Not only do you not introduce me, she doesn't say anything to. To me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But why are you allegedly that close to another woman that I've never heard of?

[Kale Lowry]

1,000%.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like there's something to hide.

[Kale Lowry]

1,000%.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What are we hiding? Because now I'm going into full blown investigative mode because I'm going to find out, adult.

[Kale Lowry]

Is this the one that got away 10 years ago and you married me and you settled for me and you really want to be with her because. Bye. She can have you now.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So what are you doing in that situation? Walking Away.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And you're leaving them there. I will stand there with your dicks in their hands for all I care.

[Kale Lowry]

You can stand right there with her legs wrapped around your body because I'm out. Has that ever happened where you're like dating someone and they like don't introduce you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, it actually did happen to me one time. I was trying to think. I dated somebody and. And he asked me. It was. We typically had had our kids at the same time, but for whatever reason, Jackson was with Will like on a random Thursday. And he was like, no, it was a Friday. And he was like, do you want to go to like this downtown area and hang out with me and my kids since you don't have Jackson? And I was like, yeah, sure. I go didn't and was not forewarned that the ex we were going to have a run in with ex wife that I had never met. And we're standing in a line. I think it was like face painting or like those balloon animal things. Standing in line, she comes up, she's with a group of people, never introduces herself to me.

[Kale Lowry]

And he doesn't introduce.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And she's eating, you know like the, the cookie dough places where you can get cookie dough. Like scoops of cookie dough, like ice cream.

[Kale Lowry]

Yep.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She's eating it and then she takes a piece of that off on a spoon and puts it in his mouth right in front of me.

[Kale Lowry]

And he didn't introduce you guys either?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. And I'm like, you have me up, up.

[Kale Lowry]

What did you do all the way up?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I put my hand out, I said hi, I'm Lindsay. Chrisley, how are you? And also why are we feeding our ex husband?

[Kale Lowry]

Why is he opening his mouth and not shutting it and acting like his mouth is wired shut?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I swear I'm not rage baiting you. I'm telling you this is a true full blown story. Like this happened.

[Kale Lowry]

I would have blacked out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Have you ever been with somebody that okay, like maybe they went places with someone else that they dated and then they're like, oh well we can't go here because there might be a run in with her there.

[Kale Lowry]

I we have that conversation about fishing because his ex girlfriend picked up fishing obviously because of him and he want to go to opening weekend. And I'm like

[Lindsay Chrisley]

know about that Your

[Kale Lowry]

ex girlfriend frequents the same places. Like that just feels weird to me. Like I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I same same relationship that I just referenced. I want to throw a surprise birthday party for someone. So I pull strings, get a Private room at this. Cool. He finds out about it, and he's like, oh, we. We shouldn't go there because there's gonna be a run in. Do you think I give a.

[Kale Lowry]

You're like, at that point, like, I'm having it there. I want her to have a run in.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, what do you mean? No, like, why are we playing, like, a duck and dodge game? For what? For what?

[Kale Lowry]

Because he didn't want you guys to run into each other. No, honestly, I'm petty, though. So, like. Like, I hope you see me in your nightmares.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I was so upset because I'm like, what do we have? Oh, I was so upset because what do we have to hide and what are we dodging? Like, she knows about me, and obviously I know about her.

[Kale Lowry]

So, like, at that point, why would we duck and dodge?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

No, that's fair. I had. I think I told this before. Maybe I didn't. And whenever I was pregnant with the twins and I went to a birthday party with Elijah, he did not introduce me to his aunt. And she came up to me and said, oh, you must be Elijah's little friend. Little friend, Little friend. Oh, wow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But he's also a man of twins.

[Kale Lowry]

Already have a child with him. He lives with me, and I must be his little friend.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What did you do?

[Kale Lowry]

Blacked out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Full blown blackout. But it's just like our big ages.

[Kale Lowry]

You must be his little friend. Why are you. Why is your aunt disrespecting me? Like, what the Did I ever do to you? I don't know you from a can of paint.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, in the cookie dough gate situation,

[Kale Lowry]

no, I would have lost my mind.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, at the point I put my hand out after, like, this is transpired, right? No, this plays out right in front of my face. Right. I put my hand out to shake her hand. Does not shake my hand. I said, hi, I'm Lindsay Chrisley. At that point, he should have said such and such.

[Kale Lowry]

This is my girlfriend that's up on his end.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I wholeheartedly agree. We argued about it because my feelings were actually hurt because I'm like, number one. I'm going out on a limb being with you in the first place. I'm involved in your children's life. I took time out of my evening to come and hang out with you and your kids. I've not done anything wrong. I don't even have my kid. And you're eating cookie dough off of a spoon from your ex wife. Like, she's feeding you.

[Kale Lowry]

No. At that point, y' all get Back together. I'm not out. I'd leave right there. I would leave the event.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I kind of always thought that they like might get back together after we broke up, but I don't think that happened. But it's also like, I know you're not going anywhere, but I am. Like at this point you can stay,

[Kale Lowry]

you can say, I want to leave. Put me in the cave.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. I cried the whole way home.

[Kale Lowry]

It's humiliating. It's disrespectful. It's, it's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it was the disrespect for

[Kale Lowry]

me, it's all of it. Because at that, like, at that point, it's just like you allowed that to happen and not you. He allowed that to happen and he did not handle that situation appropriately. And now and then you're the bad guy for getting upset because it wasn't a big deal.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is something that's very interesting because my ex husband, he wouldn't bring somebody around me. Like that would be like a very long time before that ever happened. I don't know if he thinks that I would be cookie control do cookie dough gate. But like, I wouldn't.

[Kale Lowry]

Toxic kale would have been cookie dough gate 10 years ago. Kale would have been cookie dough gate. Actually probably would have just like went up to him and put my arms around him or something.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But like, why are we doing that?

[Kale Lowry]

Because I was childish.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Never would I ever.

[Kale Lowry]

Didn't want them, didn't want anyone else to have them. I'm not going anywhere. Here I am. I'm in your face now. No. Now you can stay 50 yards away from me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's a restraining order.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, please stay 100 yards away from me cross the football field when you see me, because I do not want any parts. I just matter of fact, bring all three of your girlfriends and I won't say a word.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's just so crazy to me, like, why people can't act like adults in second situations. Third situations, whatever the situation is, like if you've got kids with somebody, move the on down.

[Kale Lowry]

I wish I could say it was that easy, but it has not been that cut and dry for me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, the only thing I'm going to cuss my ex husband, my ex husband out about at this point of my life is if he tries to parent in my house or he just does something I don't like.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, sounds about right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, like just like disrespect. Like, don't tell me you need to go on Golf at 9am on a Saturday Morning that I don't have. Jackson.

[Kale Lowry]

No. You want to know what I won't. I'm not doing anymore. Do not not contact me about something you saw on the Internet. Yeah. Do not look at a T page or a hate page and text, call, or email me about it. You know, you block every single account that is associated with me, even people you know that are associated with me, but you won't block the T pages that twist. And you're gonna call me, text me, email me about it. Suck a dick. Truly.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, your exes are doing that?

[Kale Lowry]

This they will see on a T page that has a. Has 50,000 followers and 100 likes on that post. And I'll get an email about it saying that I'm the worst thing to exist and all. I love the drama because a T page twisted what I said or did, and now I'm a horrible person because how could I say something like that when that was never what it was intended?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And also, it's just like my dick

[Kale Lowry]

and Chuck on it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just think that people, again, think that it's like, manufactured stuff for attention. And it's like, no, actually, the attention sometimes that we collectively get, we never asked for. We never asked to publicly go through that.

[Kale Lowry]

I actually am in a place where like. Like, sometimes I wish if Chris could stay off live for a little while and we could get like. Like, take a break, get on the same page. I would love nothing more than to get on this podcast one day and talk about where we're at with Javi, Chris, and Joe, where it's like, copacetic or like, you're just leaving me alone. I have nothing negative to say. You have nothing negative negative to say. We don't communicate with each other. The only thing I'm going to talk about is co parenting, relating to certain situations, and we're not talking each other. It goes both ways.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just think that nothing more good. That's a good idea in theory, but with that many people involved, do I think it's realistic?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

All at the same time.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, if you could just stop, like, you'll block every single page that is associated with me. People, you know, but you won't block the T page or, like, your people will DM it to you and it, like, exacerbate the situation. Or Chris going on live all the time and talking about that, and then I come on here and I want to respond or I want to clarify or I want to do this. So then I'm getting In trouble. Well, they're only talking about you because you're talking about it on the podcast. No, I'm responding to the lives that are going on every day. I'm responding to the T pages that are going on every day. Like, it's all like, who has the

[Lindsay Chrisley]

time or the energy to get on lives that much.

[Kale Lowry]

Did you see the article about the woman who created a Taylor Swift fan page and was able to quit her corporate job because of the income? Did you see this? No, but that does not surprise me. This woman created, like, one of the biggest Taylor Swift fan pages, like fan bases, and was able to quit her 9 to 5. She was bringing in tens of thousands of dollars a month off a fan page.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That to me would be an Instagram page or.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I think it was like social media accounts or something. Put your energy into that. You want to be on social media. You want to make money on social media. Make it positive. Why are we, like, let's be positive, right? Like, let's go put that same energy into something positive so that, like, I can talk about that instead of like, why are we ripping people to shreds all the time?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's being unhappy with oneself.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, even on this podcast, when we talk about things that we don't like, it's a group chat kind of combo. And then next week we most likely aren't going to talk about it or we might touch on it and move on. Like, we're not ripping someone to. Except for depends if there's like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Depends if there's a follow up. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Fallon from Unexpected but different. Yeah, that's very different.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Unless you're Fallon from Unexpected. We probably, probably won't talk about you next week if we talked about you this week.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. So I don't know. I guess that's the world we live in today. Foul play before I get on this flight. Okay. Foul play. Meow, meow, meow. Okay. Love listening to the podcast weekly. I've been with my boyfriend for three years and living together for one. We have yet to fart or talk about having to take a in front of each other. Crazy, I know, but I think he needs to do it first before I do.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I so understand this.

[Kale Lowry]

I completely agree. Degree like it. We're one year in and I just started pooping in front of ike like 2 months ago.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Pooping in front of him?

[Kale Lowry]

No, like, telling him I have to go poop because I used to just leave the house or go to the bathroom outside, not in the wilderness. That I have a bathroom in the woods? No, no, I have an outdoor bathroom attached to my back porch.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

So like the pool kids. The kids that are in the pool can just go right there instead of tracking the water. So I would go out there to poop. Then I would say I'm don't look for me. And. And obviously I was giving it away when I would say that. But that's like two months ago I started saying, okay, I have to go poop. You know what I mean? So I get it. Crazy. I know, but I think he needs to do before I do. Well, one day I was leaving for work at 6am and thought I had to fart when I was in the car. No, it was a shart. I immediately panicked and ran inside to the bathroom. My boyfriend very confused why I came back in and came back in. I immediately made up a lie and said I ripped my pants and needed to change. I also then proceeded to flush my underwear down the toilet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And she was committed because I didn't

[Kale Lowry]

know what to do and was running late. My boyfriend proceeded to ask me throughout the day if I was okay and what cut my pants. Lol. Fast forward three months later and we had a pipe problem and my underwear had clogged it. I guess it would. It will. I guess it will just have been easier if I told him the truth that I sharted in the first place. Thanks, ladies. No, that's when you go douse that in bleach and put it in the washer or throw it in the trash and bury it. Take it out on your way out. Out. I mean, I'm screaming.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Maybe I'm childish, but I just feel like I would never get in a place in any relationship that I could ever be in in my life where I'm going to announce that I'm going

[Kale Lowry]

to take a. Oh, I walk he with the door open in our bathroom and I just talk to him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, like Wally's. Yeah, you're looking at him.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Yeah. Now, I didn't do that in my previous relationship. I've never seen that man in my whole life. Life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Maybe that's where I've gone wrong.

[Kale Lowry]

Here's the thing with my relationship now is like we came into this relationship and it's. We are who we are. Like, you get what you see. Like, what you see is what you get. And I think that's why I've been so open now with him is like, I'm gonna call myself out because I don't want. Like, I still do get Embarrassed. But I'd rather say it and be embarrassed than to like myself and not. Not. And then, and then now he knows I have a problem. So if I myself. You weren't shocked. You're not so disgusted. I mean, you could still be disgusted, but you might not break up with me because you knew this might come.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, I was with Will for 12 years and never have I pooped around that man. Never have I farted around him, ever.

[Kale Lowry]

I would be mortified. Yeah. No, the farting thing, I wouldn't ever do that on purpose. That's like a really touchy subject for me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Me, it was just an accident.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll talk about myself because I cannot control it. But the farting I can't get behind, which is so weird.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But what's the difference?

[Kale Lowry]

Clearly when I farted in the shower, slipped out. I don't know what the difference is. I don't know because I feel like you have to intentionally. Like I normally am not a gassy person. Like I'm just not. So I don't know what it is. Like why I have a struggle with the phone.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is it the noise maybe?

[Kale Lowry]

Or like the smell? Like, I don't know, like men are so disgusting. But the second a woman displays any type of grossness, they have the ick and they don't love us.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's the wrong.

[Kale Lowry]

That's the wrong man.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That ain't no man.

[Kale Lowry]

One time my ex girlfriend was in the bed with me. I think I told you this. I tell you this. And I had a queef, just chilling.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, you did tell me this.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And I got out of bed and I stood up. I didn't. It was a queef.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But how did you get air there?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Right.

[Kale Lowry]

The same way the fart came out in the shower. And so I stand up and it was so loud I couldn't play it off. And I know she thought to this day she probably thinks it's a fart. It wasn't. And I'll tell you if it was a fart.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you tell her it was a queef?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I played. I tried to play it off and I couldn't. Like there was no way to play it off.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Listen, I do not understand how some people get so comfortable. Like Will would used to just like diarrhea in my powder room.

[Kale Lowry]

No, go. Stop shooting. In the powder room on the main floor. The main floor powder room is for guests. It is for peeing. It is for washing your hands. It's for doing touch ups.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's not.

[Kale Lowry]

You're not in the powder room. Please don't do that. I don't even have a plunger in there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm not even kidding. You, like, guys are so disgusting sometimes, including my son. Jackson will be on FaceTime and we'll be taking a full blown. And Jackson's like, like, is it a greasy one?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, no. My toddlers will be like, I'll be like, who pooped? Which one pooped? And then I'll change a diaper and they'll be like, let's see it. Yeah, like, you're disgusting.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, why are we looking at it?

[Kale Lowry]

On that note, I do need to go pee. I have to go potty.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, well, if you guys have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app, wherever you get your pods. Always first at podcast one. If you guys have not purchased tour tickets. Tickets.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank you. Go ahead to kayllow.com, click the little tour tab and purchase the tickets. Lindsay will be at South Carolina and North Carolina shows. Maybe a little sprinkle dinkle. Everywhere else. We don't know. And that's it. We'll see you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Kale Lowry]

See ya. Sprinkled ankle is crazy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

A little sprinkled ankle.

[Kale Lowry]

Hey, guys, we're back. You asked for it. And we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on killlowry.com. and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Hey, quick question. Why do you keep thinking you can change that man? I mean, you are not his mother. Let someone else change that poopy diaper and focus on yourself. Hi, everyone. I'm Violet Benson, your Russian vic sister and almost adulting Violet Benson. I give you that tough love, dating advice, and reality checks that you didn't ask for, but you absolutely need. We talk relationships, confidence, mental health, boundaries, and how to finally stop settling for crumbs. You deserve better, babe. And it starts with me. So new episodes every Thursday. Come hang out with me, Follow rate and review almost adulting wherever you get your podcasts. Pluto TV has thousands of free movies and TV shows.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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