Kale Lowry (1:59)

to Coffee Combos Podcast. I We have a lot to talk about and I want to start this episode off strong because I have to tell you about this article.

Lindsay Chrisley (2:09)

Okay?

Kale Lowry (2:09)

We're going to start this off strong. I have summer birthdays coming up. I'm going to plan, you know, birthdays for Lux and creed and on parents.com there is an article that says mom infuriated by birthday party invite, which asks for. For extra presents for siblings.

Lindsay Chrisley (2:26)

Oh, wait, what?

Kale Lowry (2:28)

Yeah, says mom infuriated by birthday party invite which asks for extra presents. So let me read you what there is. According to a mom, she posted this on TikTok. A birthday party invitation that her 6 year old received specified that guests need to bring additional gift for their toddler because they don't want him to be left out. Some of the responses to this were, I was floored. That's not our responsibility. Parents may be hesitant to participate in the birthday because of this request, which is. Which will cause the birthday boy to be left out on its. On his own birthday. And the original poster doesn't specify if purchasing extra presents for the birthday boy sibling was optional. Not really sure. But I'm curious to know how you feel about this as a parent of an only child. But also I want to give my thoughts as a birthday parent of multiples.

Lindsay Chrisley (3:18)

So obviously in a situation like this, I can't relate because there is no other child to get presents at a party. Right. However, I do know when Jackson was a little bit younger and Will's brother had their kids, I do believe that I was told that Will's parents like brought Jackson something to the party for him, knowing that other children were going to be gifted, whatever. That was a grandparent thing though. And that was a choice that. That they made. So nobody felt excluded. Whatever. I think this is completely asinine and I think it is absolutely so rude to ask like for somebody to bring one gift already might be out of budget for somebody to be able to send their kid to a birthday party. Right. But then to ask for somebody to bring another child a gift, that should be. If the parents want the other child to have gifts, then that's their responsibility.

Kale Lowry (4:17)

I wholeheartedly agree with you. As a parent of multiples, I. This may be controversial. I don't know how people will feel about this, but I actually don't like when I send out birthday invites, I literally say do not bring gifts for my own kids because. Not that I'm like counting other people's pockets, but I do understand that like some people will decline going to a birthday party altogether simply because a gift is not in the budget and my kids have everything they want and more. They don't need gifts from people to want your presence here at a birthday party. If you bring a gift, great. If you don't, I do not give a single. You're still gonna get, you know, do the party. Still gonna get fed here. You're still gonna, you know what I mean? Like we don't need you to bring gifts, period, point blank. But as, even as a mom of twins, right, Like I would imagine in the beginning years of school, they're going to start going to play care for three hours a day starting in the fall, right? Surely they're going to meet friends, I'm going to eat other moms in their classrooms and things like that. Knowing that they are two different children. Say we, we were to have a birthday party for Versam Valley, I would not even expect every single guest to bring both of them gifts even though it's both of their party. Because I would imagine that some of the kids in the class are more friends with Valley than they are with Verse. And some of the kids in the class may be closer to Verse than they are to Valley. Why would I expect that one person, that one family to bring a gift for both babies? Like that's not actually. Just don't even bring a gift at all because we don't need it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I just can't understand like at the point that you don't want your other child to be left out that bad, maybe go have them spend one one on one time with the other parent. Maybe spend one on one time with a grandparent somewhere. Maybe go do. Because you are setting them up not for, up for failure for this birthday party for the birthday boy, but you're also sort of setting up the sibling for, for, for you're setting them up for failure moving forward in life. Because that's not how life works, babe.

Lindsay Chrisley (6:16)

Well, I feel like this is definitely giving helicopter or a lawnmower parent trying to prevent a child from dealing with something that naturally happens in life. When you have a sibling, they have their birthday, you have your birthday. Those two things don't overlap. Right. And the situation that you're talking about with Valley and Verse as a twin mom, I feel like a gender neutral gift, if somebody's bringing a gift would be most reasonable because it's one gift and they can share it.

Kale Lowry (6:49)

Oh, that's a really good idea. And you're not even a twin mom. Look at you. That's such a good idea.

Lindsay Chrisley (6:55)

Yeah,

Kale Lowry (6:58)

I feel bad, right? Like Elijah's family for Christmas and like again, not counting their pockets but thinking about your idea right there. He had family members gift the twins the same exact thing but like different colorways for the same exact thing. And like they didn't have to do that, they could have gotten one that was like a color neutral and they could share it. I mean, that's. But also, then you run into the. Well, they're twins, not the same kid. That shouldn't be fair. But they're never gonna. They're not really playing with the same things at the time. A lot of the times. Yeah, that's a great idea for especially because what's interesting about me bringing this whole article up to you is that your first thought was we're making. That this mom was making assumptions about the guest financial situation, but you're thinking of it in a. In the context of, like, thinking they have more. They might have less money. It might not be in the budget. Where in this article somebody else says these parents are making big assumptions about their guest financial situations in the opposite direction. Right. So they're just assuming that all of the parents will have the money, where we're assuming immediately right off, RIP that they might not have the money. So that is an interesting perspective to put out there.

Lindsay Chrisley (8:11)

Also, on this topic, from the time that Jackson ever had, like, a first birthday party, we have never opened gifts ever in front of everyone. And there's multiple reasons why. It's like, that should be something that you can do after the party. Your time should not be spent focused on what gifts you're getting. Your time should be spent focused on spending the time with the people who took time out of their day and dedicated it to you.

Kale Lowry (8:38)

I agree.

Lindsay Chrisley (8:39)

That's number one. Number two, sometimes when you're inviting people to parties, financial standings are. Are different. That's just life. And so one gift might. Might be like the greatest toy ever, and then one might be a smaller gift that somebody could afford. I don't really think that's fair because the excitement level might be different for the child and that somebody shouldn't have to feel bad about that. And so it's just easier to take all that stuff home and open it in a private time. Send out thank you cards or an E thank you, move on with your. I don't know. I just, I don't. I don't love the idea of. Of gifts in general. It's like, never have I ever been like, oh, and bring this gift.

Kale Lowry (9:26)

Well, I think it's interesting too, that you bring up that I think if you're renting a space too, like, some of the allotted times for birthday parties are like two hours. Do you really want to spend 30 minutes of that opening gifts in front of people? I mean, I had a birthday Party for Isaac, I want to say it was like his fourth birthday somewhere around there. And it was filmed for Teen Mom. Everybody came to the house after the birthday party. So, like, people that came from Pennsylvania and drove and stuff like that, we all. We like extended the party into the house. And Isaac takes a nap after the birthday party while everyone is still kind of eating and doing all of this. And then we had him open gifts and that was the last time. And I think that was so eye opening to me because he just like, wasn't in the right state of mind. And then I'm upset because he's not saying the thank yous and he's not having. Having these big reactions. And so I'm putting the pressure on him more for other people. And at the end of the day, nobody really wants to see people open their gifts. I don't think.

Lindsay Chrisley (10:17)

No, I don't think so either. And there have been times when Jackson was younger because little kids get so excited about stuff, even it could be like the smallest thing. And it's like, oh, I got a book. You know, they're like, so excited. Jackson's always been a super excited present opener, which is. Want to get back to that in a second. I will do videos. Like, there's a reason that we have technology. Like, I'll do videos and send it to people and have him say thank you on the video. Yeah, like, I love that. But because you have so many kids, I want to know, do you have some kids that are like, more excited to receive gifts than others?

Kale Lowry (10:56)

Yes. Yes, I do.

Lindsay Chrisley (10:58)

Is it not so much better for you, like, in your soul, when you gift something to that child and their level of excitement, like, it does something different to you versus a child who's just like, thanks.

Kale Lowry (11:12)

Well, I think this goes into, like, that whole conversation of love language. Like, I truly think that love languages can apply to children as well the same way that they apply to it. Maybe not the same way, but, you know, some kids really, like, have so much fun picking out gifts for other people. Right. And like, Isaac loves to ask me to, like, hey, like, my friend at school has a birthday. Like, he loves giving them gifts where, like, Lincoln has never brought that up to me. You know what I mean? So I think that that will play, play a role. But I. There is something special about that. Like, Lux and Creed specifically talk about their birthdays every month of the year. Like, even yesterday. They're talking about, like, the themes they want, the gifts they want. And so I know that they're going to Be so excited about gifts. Finding a doctor you actually like can feel like discovering a diamond in the rough. We all know that it's super hard these days and you want someone in network nearby open with, you know, various time slots. But let's be honest, that's just the start, right? Like we're not finding that anytime soon unless you're using Zoc Doc because they really listen, they make you feel comfortable, calms your nerves, they explain things clearly, tells you it's going to be okay, all of the things right? I have used Zoc Doc so many times. I love it and I love that it can fit into my schedule. I don't have to take off of work to use ZocDoc. I can do it in between what I'm doing. So I got really sick. I use ZocDoc and I literally was able to get on a telehealth appointment through zocdoc while my son was in a practice and I was in my car waiting for him to come out and so I didn't feel well. I got an appointment right away. It fit seamlessly in my schedule. It was really helpful. You don't have to doom scroll your symptoms. You don't need to self diagnose, you don't need to spiral quietly to yourself. You don't have to do any of that with ZocDoc. ZocDoc is a free app and website that helps you find and book high quality in network doctors so you can find someone you love, which is really nice. They also do after hours. So if you don't have time before 11pm, that's okay. We all know that health issues don't follow a 9 to 5 schedule. So with Zoc Doc, having no time to book a doctor's appointment is actually not a problem at all. You can go to ZocDoc anytime 247 and find a doctor you love and make your health plan happen. I'm telling you, it's even way after hours. So I love that about them. You can stop putting off those doctor appointments and go to Zocdoc.guos to find an instantly book a doctor you love today. That's zocdoc.cambos. zocdoc.cambos. Thank you Zocdoc for sponsoring this message. When you're expecting, everyone suddenly has an opinion and that can get so frustrated. You get flooded with baby clothing recommendations. But some of them don't actually make your life easier. Some of them are not great. Or if you're like myself or my sister and you have more than one child, you know there's no such thing as one size fits all. Every child is different. They have different comfort preferences and unique personality obviously. So if you are feeling overwhelmed from too many recommendations, I have a simple solution for you and that is Little Sleepies. These are cute but practical clothing. Little Sleepies was created by real moms who understand the realities of day to day life with kids. They have super soft, comfortable fabrics that actually hold up and they actually fit up to three times longer than other brands which is so nice. They have thoughtful details and make everyday dressing and diapering so much easier. I absolutely love it and I still have toddlers that are in diapers so I understand the struggle all the time. Little Sleepies releases new custom design prints weekly. They're always dropping new styles for both bedtime and playtime so your kids can stay comfortable and stylish. 247 and little sleepies also offers licensed prints with brands like Disney, Marvel and more, which is so awesome. I love that. If you're expecting or dressing little ones, check out Little Sleepies. You can visit little sleepies.com and use promo code good night for 10% off your first order.

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Kale Lowry (15:33)

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Kale Lowry (16:23)

So for those of you guys who don't know, one of the twins is in several therapies a week. We have pt, speech therapy, and, like, an ece, which is a teacher. And the teacher and I. Her name is Holly. Love her. Shout out to Holly. She. Her and I have an Amazon list for toys through Amazon that would benefit the twins in their, like, learning development. So we have, like, this running list, and she'll add stuff, she'll take stuff off, you know, and that's how we are able to do that. So, like, I can make sure that we have those toys for when she comes on Fridays. And then we've run into the issue of Elijah constantly buying me books that I already have. So I created my own, like, wish list for him so that when he wants to buy me books, like, for Valentine's Day, he bought me books that I already have. And, like, thank you so much. I'm gonna give them away as. As book club giveaways, But I created a list of books that I want that I don't have. So I say all that to say that if you want something specific for your children or your children want something specific, that is a great idea. We did that for Isaac for Christmas and his birthday this year. And it really proved to be so helpful, especially with the budgeting thing, because around high school, I feel maybe even sooner, kids want to get their friends gifts, like Isaac does for his friends, and they might not have their own money in their own job. So, like, yep. They might want to send it to their friends, or their friend is like, oh, what can I get you? And it's like, here's, you know, a ten dollar situation off Amazon, which I think is cute.

Lindsay Chrisley (17:51)

I love that idea. Also with the Amazon wish list, you know, if something's, like, already been purchased.

Kale Lowry (17:57)

Yes.

Lindsay Chrisley (17:58)

So, like, people aren't gonna get duplicates of whatever. Okay, I have to ask you about baby showers. Do you prefer because you've had so many, do you prefer for people to, like, just bring diapers? Or do you want, like, all the little odd and end things that you may or may not use?

Kale Lowry (18:19)

Okay, can we talk? I have not had so many baby showers. I had one for Isaac in Joe's mom's basement. That was, like, more of a party than it was a baby shower. I would say I had one for Rio. The baby shower on Teen mom for Lincoln was not a baby shower. That was actually a we're moving to Delaware party. And MTV played it as if it was a baby shower. But we didn't I think Lydia made, which is Javi's sister made a diaper cake. But outside of that, there was no baby gifts. I don't know why that I remember. Like, maybe people brought baby gifts because of mtv, but, like, that was not a baby shower. I don't know why they spun it like it was. I don't know if they needed that, but it was like, we love the

Lindsay Chrisley (19:00)

bamboozle of reality TV storylines.

Kale Lowry (19:03)

It was like, we're moving and we're having a baby. But it wasn't a baby shower. Because at that time, like, in 20, 20, 13, 2012, you, like, didn't have baby showers. That was, like, around, like, the sprinkle era, where, like, now today, people will have a baby shower every single baby they have. I did not have a baby shower for Lux. I did not have a baby shower for Creed. I did have a baby shower for Rio. I did not have a baby shower for the twins. So I say all that to say I. If I was to plan a baby shot, which for Rio, I don't even think I registered anywhere. I don't remember registering. Maybe Kristen did I register for Rio. Okay, so I didn't register for Rio. Didn't register for the twins. Didn't do any of that. Because I also feel bad because I can afford my own baby. Like, not saying that baby showers are for people who can't afford it. I just felt bad because I was on my fifth child and I can reuse what I do have. And I felt bad asking for other stuff, too. So, like, if I. I'm thinking maybe if it's like, my first or second baby, I didn't register for Lincoln. Didn't register. I didn't register for anyone. So I'm thinking that if I was to have a baby shower, yeah, I would want all the things, but probably, like, I would register for all the things, right?

Lindsay Chrisley (20:16)

I wouldn't.

Kale Lowry (20:17)

Okay.

Lindsay Chrisley (20:18)

I would ask for diapers with cute patterns on them.

Kale Lowry (20:22)

I'll tell you what. For anyone listening to this podcast, Millie Moon Diapers Pampers are always a classic for me. Pampers are great, but Millie Moon are also fantastic, and I'm obsessed with them. And also, I think they're called Freestyle. Freestyle diapers. They're so good.

Lindsay Chrisley (20:40)

Do they have cute patterns on them?

Kale Lowry (20:42)

No.

Lindsay Chrisley (20:42)

Oh, see, I would have to wait. I had another child. I feel like, because I had a baby so long ago, like, all this stuff that I've watched you be able to have with your younger kids, I'm like, I just want to, like, own that stuff and, like, use it. You know, like the baby braza or whatever it's called. Like, where it makes your bottle. Yeah, Like a keurig.

Kale Lowry (21:07)

Yeah.

Lindsay Chrisley (21:08)

I don't even have a baby or pregnant yet and want that and have wanted it for, like, two years.

Kale Lowry (21:15)

I will say this. If you're shopping for baby brezza, I want to warn you, it is great. I had one next to my bed and also one in the kitchen. But catch the yet that she just dropped. What? Who dropped?

Lindsay Chrisley (21:28)

That bitch said, I'm not even pregnant yet.

Kale Lowry (21:32)

You, Lindsay, yet. We're gonna have to have a conversation.

Lindsay Chrisley (21:36)

We're gonna have to have a little.

Kale Lowry (21:37)

I will tell you then if you're not pregnant yet. I missed that. The baby brezza is. You have to clean it after the third use. Like, you have to take it apart and clean it. I will say it's still convenient. Still love it. But you. After the third, it gets clogged up. So that's, like, the only downside.

Lindsay Chrisley (21:57)

Well, I'm still gonna get it. Yo.

Kale Lowry (21:59)

You should. I loved it. We loved it. Especially with the twins. I can't complain.

Lindsay Chrisley (22:04)

It's like, I just open up my front door whenever this airs, and I have, like, 19 baby breasts.

Kale Lowry (22:10)

Did I send you a baby brezza?

Lindsay Chrisley (22:13)

I am so dead. Can we watch this video of Bethany Frankel?

Kale Lowry (22:18)

Because, wait, she followed me on Tick Tock?

Lindsay Chrisley (22:21)

Oh, she did? I. Like, way back when when I told you that I absolutely loved watching her eat chicken salad on Tick Tock?

Kale Lowry (22:30)

Yeah.

Lindsay Chrisley (22:31)

Okay. I just love this woman.

Kale Lowry (22:34)

Like, no, I love her because she posted about Alex Earl, and I guess Alex Earl accidentally, like, stood her up or whatever for dinner. It was, like, just, like, overbooked herself. Whatever, whatever. And so Bethany Frankel was like, should I forgive her or what? And I commented and I said, forgive her. And Bethenny Frankel replied and then followed me on TikTok and I about fell over.

Lindsay Chrisley (22:56)

I love her. But we talked about cussing the other day.

Kale Lowry (23:00)

Huh?

Lindsay Chrisley (23:01)

And that's what this video is about. Disagree that parents should not curse in front of their children. I think it should be used in extreme moderation and with emphasis, because there are times when I'll repeat the same thing. Let's go. We're going now. Let's go. We're going now. We're back and forth about something and your kids digging in. You're like, let's.

Kale Lowry (23:21)

And then.

Lindsay Chrisley (23:22)

And then there comes a point where you're gonna be like, move your ass now. And it seems to work differently Than logic, than slight raised voice. Voice raising, then escalation, then negotiation, then rationalize. It just. It just does the goddamn trick once in a while. So when you say, move your ass with that face. Move your ass face, it works. It hits different.

Kale Lowry (23:52)

Before she even said it, it's different. I was about to say it hits different because last night it was 9:15, and I said, I've asked you three times now to go upstairs because we are going to bed. By the third, by the fourth time, I said, tighten up. Let's get the upstairs. Why do they listen to me when I get to that point, I think

Lindsay Chrisley (24:15)

that they know or have been taught to some degree, like you did let your kids. Cause, like, at one point, right? But I think they know the emphasis on the way that you're saying something and the way that you deliver it, that it's like, oh, I better shut the up.

Kale Lowry (24:32)

Yeah, but it's like. And I. We had a little family meeting last night. It's so crazy that you brought this up because we had a family meeting last night. There's a lot of stuff been going on. Elijah called the family meeting and we all sat down and I'm like, where did he. It took place in the living room. Everybody was fed and showered, and we all sat around the sectional and we had to talk about a couple things. And, you know, part of that was like, you know, so some of the kids are playing parents against each other, and so we're having a hard time with that. But it's like, I'm asking you to do something one time, two times, three times, and now you don't like that you're in trouble because I've had to repeat myself. So I understand Bethany Frankel and talking about sometimes that third time, that fourth time of get your ass going is going to get them to move their

Lindsay Chrisley (25:22)

feet because it puts. Puts a. A greater emphasis on the action that they need to be taking. Right? It's like I said it.

Kale Lowry (25:35)

But what is, what is the difference between how we grew up? Our parents just had to look at us and tell us one time, sometimes twice before we got it. We're kids today. Three, four times. And now I'm screaming my head off because you're not listening. Then what is it the. Is it the difference that parents today are not physically disciplining their kids? Is that part of it? And I'm not saying that that's the solution. I'm absolutely not saying that. What I'm saying is, do we think that that is the missing there. The lack of respect and also the the absence of physical like basically corporal punishment.

Lindsay Chrisley (26:09)

I don't know if it's as much that as that we I feel like as parents raising kids today are so much more lax and give our kids so many more freedoms for opinion. I feel like there was a lack of kids opinions and homes when we were growing up.

Kale Lowry (26:30)

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Kale Lowry (29:39)

I think more of the people from our generation who their parents maybe use corporal punishment whether it was a smack on the hand or you know, spank, whatever that looked like a majority of them respect their parents. I'm not saying all but I am

Lindsay Chrisley (29:54)

saying I don't know if it's respect though.

Kale Lowry (29:56)

Okay. You think it's more fear based.

Lindsay Chrisley (29:58)

I think it is a fear based action and I totally disagree with spanking across the board. Like it's just not something that I have ever done grew up in a household that you were going to get your ass spanked if you did something wrong.

Kale Lowry (30:14)

Right.

Lindsay Chrisley (30:15)

And I do think that that instilled a fear knowing okay, if I do this, this is going to be the consequence of that. Kids do not fear their parents today because most people I would say are not spanking today.

Kale Lowry (30:32)

Which is a good thing. Which is a good thing.

Lindsay Chrisley (30:34)

Good thing.

Kale Lowry (30:35)

But what is the flip side to

Lindsay Chrisley (30:36)

be a boundary within that where and I've talked about this with Jackson's play therapist actually I said there has there is a fine line between respect and fear.

Kale Lowry (30:49)

Agreed. And but where is that line? And how do you get your kids to respect you without them fearing you?

Lindsay Chrisley (30:55)

I also think that it is repeated action on the parents part to respond the same way every single time their repeated action takes place. So for example, I'll use Jackson's cell phone. He knows it's supposed to be on the counter at 9pm he has to brush his teeth and go to bed. If I go upstairs and the cell phone is not on the counter, I'm going to do the exact same thing every time I am not changing what I am doing because it is the same situation. I think a lot of people respond differently in same situations that their kids are presenting. Like it has to be consistent.

Kale Lowry (31:37)

So then we run into the issue. And I know that not everyone is a fan of Candace Owens. Love her, hate her. She talked about, she's talking about nuclear families in some of her content and how we need fathers in the home because these broken homes and these two different households that run two different ways heavily impacts what you're describing and the consistency and what that looks like for the futures of children that don't have the nuclear family. I'm not talking about blended families because blended families is not the nuclear family. It is not to live in biological parents or adoptive parents or whatever like the two parents that started this family. Whether you have the greatest step parent in the world living with one of your, you know, in one of the households, it is not the same as two parents, two biological parents being played and pitted against each other that also have inconsistencies in how things are done with consequences and, and discipline, etc.

Lindsay Chrisley (32:34)

Will and I just recently had a conversation about trying to get more on the same page as far as. And I don't, I don't even want to say like discipline because I don't even like that word. Like I'm not disciplining him, I am parenting him. And I think that there's a difference in that. Like there are consequences for almost all actions, right? And there is a response to whatever your action may be that I might not approve of or I might not like, like it's not a discipline in my opinion or fear based. I am more of a conversational parent to where you are going to sit down and we're going to have a conversation about this because you are going to understand the impact long term of what you're doing. How it's going to impact you for the rest forever if you do not change that behavior.

Kale Lowry (33:24)

I saw a video on that because I have also been heavily conversation based and realized that in our household specifically, I can't speak for Jackson. It's not working, right? Like even Lincoln said to us last night, he was like, you're having these conversations and they're not, they're not working. I watched a video, I don't think it was Mel Robbins. It might have been Mel Robbins or somebody else. And she basically said the more this person said, the more words and conversation that is behind said consequence, the less the child is taking in. They tune it out. They're not listening. And Maybe that's not the case for every single child, but I will say, for at least two of my children, the conversations don't work well.

Lindsay Chrisley (34:04)

I'm not going to have a conversation after the point of the first conversation. Right. Like, the consequence will be the same across the board for the same action that you took, because I'm going to drive it home like, we're nailing it in the coffin. I'm not having multiple conversations. I will refer back to the first conversation to say, do you recall when we had this conversation last week?

Kale Lowry (34:27)

Week.

Lindsay Chrisley (34:28)

What was the consequence last week when we had that conversation? I want you to repeat back to me what you heard in that conversation,

Kale Lowry (34:35)

because now the consequence will be the same. Fair. Fair.

Lindsay Chrisley (34:40)

Man. Parenting's hard, no?

Kale Lowry (34:42)

And it's so sickening to think that we don't know which things will be remembered and will be. Will impact them as adults. We won't find out until we're adults. Like, I am scared for the day that Isaac comes to me and he says that something that I don't remember impacted him in a negative way for rest of his life. And that's no matter who you are. Like, parents will not parents. People will say, oh, well, of course you traumatized him. You were on Teen Mom. Okay, great. I didn't know that when I was signing up at 17 years old. But, like, what if. What if all the TV stuff is not what is traumatizing to him? What is. What if it's something that I don't even remember happened and it was insignificant to. To me, but he remembers, like, and it. And it, you know, made him die a little bit inside. You know what I mean? Like, what does that look like?

Lindsay Chrisley (35:28)

Like, what is significant to you does not mean that that is significant to somebody else.

Kale Lowry (35:34)

And we've talked about that before. I. I think I brought up the video where the mom talks about how, like, your child might not remember Disney at five years old, but remembers when you were depressed for six months, when you were four, even though it was a year prior and it was, you know, a sad moment or a really low moment in your family. But they won't remember the Disney World. They won't remember the. The endless weekend trips. They won't remember, you know, all of that. They'll remember something that is. I don't know, that's a scary. That's a scary part of parenting. And what's crazy is that I never really thought about any of those things until the last, like, five years of my motherhood.

Lindsay Chrisley (36:10)

Really.

Kale Lowry (36:11)

I just assumed like, they're gonna remember all the good times that I remember. And I don't think I wasn't thinking the same way. I wasn't thinking about how when I got pregnant with some of my kids at that time, I wasn't thinking about, oh wow, their dad might be mentally ill. Oh, wow, I'm, you know, I've been depressed. Like, what is that going to look like for them? What are the implications of our mental well being, our, our mental health on them? What does that look like for their future mental health struggles? You know what I mean? Like the same. I hate to say it, but, like, would I have procreated with that person if I knew their mental health struggles?

Lindsay Chrisley (36:44)

So I actually had a conversation with someone the other day and always trying to like bring a positive to a situation that's presenting very negative. I'm like, well, if you didn't like do that part of your life and have that child, like, you wouldn't have that child. And this person said to me, I would have known no different. Like, I would go back and take, take back every part of that situation because that was toxic to me. But I would have known no different had I got it right the first time and had the child with someone else.

Kale Lowry (37:25)

Right?

Lindsay Chrisley (37:25)

And I've never thought about it like that. Like, I've always thought about like, wow, those were like some really good times, some really learning times, some really hard times. But like, I wouldn't change any of that stuff because I have my child. This person's perspective was they would have had a child with someone regardless, so they would have just never known.

Kale Lowry (37:45)

Okay, so using the my situation, like, like you would have still, like, I would have still had the children that I had with the same person where your friend is saying, yeah, that they

Lindsay Chrisley (37:59)

wouldn't have made that decision regardless if they had a child out of that situation or not, that they would choose to have never been in that situation.

Kale Lowry (38:08)

What an interesting, like, thought process.

Lindsay Chrisley (38:11)

Because, right, because I can't think outside. Like, once you know your kids, right, I can't think outside of them being different.

Kale Lowry (38:18)

Becky and I just had this conversation because there was like this thing on Tick Tock that was, you know, who would you say first in a burning building, right? Like, would you save your partner or did you save your child? And I've only ever. And I said this to her, I said the only, the thing that I've ever thought of that in that context is like childbirth, birth, right? Once you have a toddler with a personality, it's not the same as a newborn. Not saying that the newborn is less life, but you don't know them the same way that you know your toddler, your. Your small child. Right. Like, I just. And so I, I'm thinking about, like my toxic situations and. Right. Like, I'm not saying that I wasn't toxic, but I'm thinking about my most toxic situation and the amount of times that people say, oh, you had not only one, but two kids with him. Right. And I'm thinking to myself, I love my kids so much, it doesn't matter how toxic that situation was. Obviously wish that I could take the toxicity out of it to still have the children in a less toxic environment.

Lindsay Chrisley (39:14)

Yes.

Kale Lowry (39:14)

But I love my kids so much and they're here and they have personalities and I know them and I, I carried them and I. So to sit here and say, oh, she had not one, but two. But it's like, but they wouldn't be here if I didn't go.

Lindsay Chrisley (39:25)

Like, that's how I feel about it as well. I thought about when this person was saying this to me, I was like, I want to get Kale's perspective on this. Because once you know your kids like to their core and their personalities, it's like, it doesn't matter what I went through. That part doesn't matter to me. I love my child the way he is, the way he was created.

Kale Lowry (39:50)

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Lindsay Chrisley (42:39)

It's so interesting that you say that because my parents used to say when we were growing up, all the time, take the advice from me because I've been there. And my response always would be, there's some lessons that we need to learn on our own.

Kale Lowry (42:53)

This is true. That. This is very true. Like, I could watch the situation play and Also, sometimes I think that we don't realize we're not recognizing that we have to go through it ourselves. We are going through something that we watch someone else do, but it's not the same until you're in it. Like, you realize after the fact. So it's like I watched my. My mom have, like, this revolving door of men, right? And I'm like, oh, I'll never be like that. Turned around and was like that. That. But I didn't recognize it until it was far too late.

Lindsay Chrisley (43:21)

It's kind of like I would tell my dad, okay, if you tell me not to run the red light, like, I'm not gonna run the red light. Like, I know what's gonna come.

Kale Lowry (43:30)

But if you're talking about a boyfriend that you shouldn't date, you probably have to learn on your own.

Lindsay Chrisley (43:34)

That's a. That's a lesson I feel like I need to learn on my own.

Kale Lowry (43:37)

And even if you don't feel like you need to learn it on your own, you're probably going to learn it on your own.

Lindsay Chrisley (43:42)

Let me read this text message to you that I just received.

Kale Lowry (43:44)

Like, right now. You just received it?

Lindsay Chrisley (43:46)

The back door is unlocked and the dogs are in their crate. Della's food is on the counter, and his phone is on top. She gets half a can, couple of pieces of dry water and mashed up. She gets this in the morning and the night. Thank you in advance.

Kale Lowry (44:00)

Is that from Willard? Sly Willie?

Lindsay Chrisley (44:03)

Sure was. Sure was. And he said if she starts dancing, it's because she's ready to eat. Thank you very much for telling me about a dog that I've known for the past nine years. I appreciate that.

Kale Lowry (44:15)

How is she doing?

Lindsay Chrisley (44:17)

It's inoperable, so there's nothing that they can do. She's getting a lot of cheese sticks right now.

Kale Lowry (44:24)

Making her comfortable and happy for her last.

Lindsay Chrisley (44:27)

Yeah.

Kale Lowry (44:27)

Days and weeks.

Lindsay Chrisley (44:28)

Her last hoorah.

Kale Lowry (44:30)

Yeah.

Lindsay Chrisley (44:31)

Did you see this story about probably not. An Oklahoma toddler dialing 911 to tell police about an emergency need for donuts?

Kale Lowry (44:41)

No, I did not.

Lindsay Chrisley (44:43)

It says, an Oklahoma toddler called 911 and asked for emergency donuts, which officers delivered to the child's home. The police. The police department shared audio on social media with the exchange between the boy and the dispatcher. The child first dialed 911 and began saying gibberish to the dispatcher before hanging up and dialing again. He said there was an emergency need for donuts. Donuts. I want donuts. Are you going to share your donuts? The Dispatcher is heard saying in the response to the voice request in the 911 call, the child claims that this is an emergency. The next day, the police department shared that they had fulfilled his request and the officers delivered a box of Dunkin Donuts to his home.

Kale Lowry (45:27)

I love that. I think that the police officers probably needed that comedic comedic relief just as much as the chill. The child claimed that he needed donuts, hoping that nobody else was hurt at another, you know, during the time of delivery of donuts.

Lindsay Chrisley (45:44)

Speaking of 91 1.

Kale Lowry (45:46)

Oh God.

Lindsay Chrisley (45:46)

How soon do you teach your kids about dialing 91 1?

Kale Lowry (45:52)

Creed's age, probably. I need to ask my kids if they know to not to dial 91 1, actually.

Lindsay Chrisley (45:57)

Well, as of two weeks ago, Jackson said that if he ever got in trouble or if something happened to me at our house, he would dial 991. He's 12. So I'm like, we clearly since I've moved into this house, we have never really had like a conversation about safety in the event of emergency. Like remember back in the day when the police department and the fire department and stuff would come to the school and they would teach you to stop, drop and roll and how you were supposed to go to like a family TR tree or like marker in the yard?

Kale Lowry (46:32)

Yes.

Lindsay Chrisley (46:33)

I know that you had said that y' all had like an exit strategy. Yeah, we haven't done that. So I think that's going to be on our weekend plans as well.

Kale Lowry (46:42)

You should also get the fire escape ladders that I have in the kids rooms and like, they're one time use. So like, if you're gonna practice, get a separate one to practice on. They're in the closets, but they're accessible to the kids. So if there's ever a fire, they can throw them out the window and hook them to the window windowsill.

Lindsay Chrisley (47:00)

So send me the link for those little ladders because I need to get them for all of my bedrooms.

Kale Lowry (47:08)

Okay.

Lindsay Chrisley (47:08)

Outside of that, we briefly discussed Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony on the last episode. But there has been news that has surfaced on Chris Watts. I don't know if you have seen it, but we're about to play the video.

Kale Lowry (47:23)

Okay, y'. All. So breaking news in the Chris Watts case, y'. All. Chris Watts has written a letter from prison saying that his mistress, Nicole Kessinger, was involved in the unalivings of Bella and CC and Shannan even. He said now that he, she didn't unlock Shannan, but once he told her that he unlocked Shannan, she said you might as well unlive Bella and CC too. Now, this is the letter. Y' all can pause it to read it. So this is the letter that he wrote from prison stating that Nicole is Jezebel. That's what he's calling her. And Jezebel convinced him to do what he did to his family. And not only that, but she was involved directly in the unliving. She was there that morning and she helped him conceal the evidence and put the girls in the oil tanks and do all the things on. She worked with him. And I've always felt like she was involved in some way, but he's finally given a full confession saying that she is. She was involved and she should as well be in trouble. Trouble. Now, he said the reason that he's been protecting her for so long is because he felt bad for her and he didn't want her to get in trouble. I saw this, I saw that.

Lindsay Chrisley (48:30)

I feel like I always thought that somebody else would have likely been involved. That's a lot of stuff to do. Like we're talking, like, coburger level stuff.

Kale Lowry (48:43)

Yeah. I mean, there was just too much circumstantial evidence, as we'll call it. And with, like, the shadows that were. That were clear as day that somebody else was there on that, like, ring camera type of footage that night. And also, like, he wasn't doing that all by himself. There's no way in hell you could convince me that he was doing that alone.

Lindsay Chrisley (49:04)

I agree. Also, is there anything that can be done at this point since she was not charged? Now that he has confessed this in this letter, can they go back and do anything now about it?

Kale Lowry (49:19)

Unless there's new evidence? I actually don't know.

Lindsay Chrisley (49:22)

I feel like if she had been charged and then not convicted, I don't know that they can re try her on that same charge. But because she was not charged, I wonder.

Kale Lowry (49:33)

She wasn't tried or. Yeah, charged or tried. So I wonder. But they would have to have other. They would have to have other evidence. It can't just be, well, he said she did it. Do you know what I mean? Like, there has to be, at the very least, actual circumstantial evidence that would put her at the scene of the crime. So unless he has that.

Lindsay Chrisley (49:52)

But I wonder what would make him do this now after so much time.

Kale Lowry (49:58)

Hindsight is 20 20. I know that there was a period of time, a period of time in my life where that's all I said was hindsight is 20 20, 2020. But it truly is like when you can take a step out of the situation that you're in and you can actually have some self awareness and reflect. I'm sure he was in love with her. I'm sure he was in lust with her. I'm sure that he wanted to protect her and he thought that he was going to be with her forever. Because I think when you put yourself in these situations where it's toxic love and you know love will blind you, it truly will. Your love for someone will make you overlook so many things. And I'm literally speaking from experience is like, like you take a step out of that and you really understood what you put on the line yourself for this other person. And he probably is so far removed from that relationship at this point that he's able to say, okay, now it's my time to speak. And like, I'm not saying that's right, but do I think that she should be charged at this point? I would say yes.

Lindsay Chrisley (50:49)

But can you just imagine being a mistress, being aware of the fact that, that you're a mistress and then helping a man that has not left his wife but killed her pregnant. Pregnant. Kill his children, Assist him killing his children? Or at what point did they think that they were sane in that?

Kale Lowry (51:17)

Just take her being at the scene of the crime out of it. Because I do believe she was there. Just even being a participant in the plan and knowing and thinking that, that you could live because if he would do it to her in his own flesh and blood, his own children, you think you and him are going to have a successful and healthy relationship? Like I just. And I said this on another, on an episode of Barely Famous, I said, I don't understand like just one person being able to do those acts, let alone two. Like that just seems so outrageous to me that two people that sick in the head could to get together and collaborate.

Lindsay Chrisley (51:55)

Yeah, like I'm, I'm disgusted.

Kale Lowry (51:59)

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Lindsay Chrisley (52:39)

Just thought that that was something that people would want to know because I've always waited around, honestly for the prison letters from all of these people. Like, what would Scott Peterson say if the Innocence Project wasn't working, I guess with him or for him? Yeah, like, would he have also confessed, like, certain things by this point?

Kale Lowry (53:01)

I would be curious if anyone helped it. Like, wouldn't someone have spoken up? Do you know what I mean?

Lindsay Chrisley (53:07)

No, I don't think. I don't think anybody helped him. No, I don't think he operated alone in that situation. Same, like, I'm.

Kale Lowry (53:15)

I feel fully Anthony, too. Do you think that anyone helped Casey Anthony?

Lindsay Chrisley (53:18)

No, Absolutely.

Kale Lowry (53:19)

I don't either. I hate when people try to blame her parents. And I'm like, her parents had no clue. Her parents had no clue. And they were torn between losing their daughter and then also losing their daughter and their granddaughter. So I don't think that they were

Lindsay Chrisley (53:34)

involved in any way in that situation. If my child had been being looked at for something so heinous, unfortunately, I would have to choose the grandchild. That cannot advocate for themselves against my child.

Kale Lowry (53:53)

But don't you think they did, though, like, with. With the exception of, like, her backpedaling on the car, smells like a dead body or whatever? I think they did advocate for their dog, their granddaughter, I really do.

Lindsay Chrisley (54:05)

But I think they were also torn in the fact with him being former law enforcement, I feel like they didn't want to put anything out there that could potentially implicate her in the event that. That she wasn't guilty. I think that was where their mind likely was. It's really sad. We have a listener topic. This person says, all right, ladies, am I the asshole also? What would you do? I'm a bonus mom and have been for over a decade. Every Sunday morning they are at my house, we make biscuits and gravy. This has been our tradition since they were two and they are now 12. Well, I've had a job working weekends the past year, so that has made that tradition more rare. I recently quit and have my weekend at home back, so I pulled all the stops and even made the biscuits from scratch. They were so happy, they asked if they could have the take the leftovers to their moms for breakfast for the week. I know it's their favorite, so I said of course and box it all up for them. When they came back to my house, it turned out that it was all thrown in the trash. She was livid that I had sent food home. We have had no rules about this. I honestly didn't even think twice about it. We were close enough that she has expressed how hard mornings have been. I thought it might make it easier. Would you say something? Would that upset you if your kid showed up with food? I know I might be petty for being mad, but I'm kind of pissed that it was wasted. Our other kids would have eaten it for the week. And in this economy, we know that food is not cheap. I wanted them to have it, to enjoy it, and I would give them the world, of course, but for it to be thrown in the trash just felt wasteful and rude.

Kale Lowry (55:35)

I think this has actually happened to me. I don't know about the trash part of it. Sometimes it's like, if there's like holiday, they'll send cookies or whatever with the kids, and that doesn't bother me. I. I'm personally not gonna eat it. I'm also not gon eat it in front of the kids. So if they say it's for me, I'm not going to sit there and say like, oh, I'm not going to eat it or anything like that. I'm just excited to get it. And then, you know, they don't need to see whether I eat it or not. Right. Like, it would not offend me in any way, shape or form. If Isaac brought food here or Lincoln brought food here, that would not offend me in any way, shape or form. We don't typically send things. I'm speaking about Joe and Javi right now. In this situation, we don't send things to and from the house. So like toys, food, gifts, like, whatever you get from that family stays in that house. Whatever you get in this family stays in this house. Same for Joe. I mean, obviously if the kids choose they want to bring something from here to their dads, I don't give a shit. But like, I'm not sending stuff over there, like, regularly. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's just like not a thing food. I feel like if the kids are excited about this, I do think that this was up on the bio mom side. Like, she shouldn't have done that, especially in front of the kids. I. The way that I'm seeing it is that she probably took it as a shot to like, her parenting or like not having breakfast or whatever. She probably thought it was like a shot at her, even though it clearly wasn't. So I don't know. I think take your feelings out of it. I don't think that you should be. It's sad but like to sit here and be like, oh, it's wasteful and rude. Like, like let them. That's the, I mean Mel Robbins says it best. Definitely read the let them theory or, or listen to the let them theory theory because this is one of those things where you just have to let them.

Lindsay Chrisley (57:21)

Well, I just think that there was probably conversation in that home with Biomom with the children about that food that probably shouldn't have been had because it's conversations like that creates a dividend regardless. So there's been times that I've had Jackson on like the two day stretch where he might have wanted spaghetti and I've overmade amount of sauce and when I go and drop his stuff off at Will's because I know that's his favorite meal, I will just take whatever's left over and drop it over there because I know that he'll use it. Same thing like if he's going on a work trip or something and he knows Jackson's not going to be at his house for like, like five days and he went and bought donuts and there's donuts left, they're gonna be bad by the time he gets back. So he'll just drop them at my house.

Kale Lowry (58:15)

Like yeah, I think that's completely reasonable. But you have to have that type of relationship with the other parent in order for that to make sense. Like for example, you know, I might be able to do that with Isaac or, or Lincoln, but I'm not doing that for, for, for Lux and Creed because that's not the type of relationship. Right. Like, like you know, it just, that's just not something we. I think it depends on the relationship. I think that the intent, the it was not malicious intent here and I think that the way both of the, both of the moms stepmom too like saying like it, it felt so wasteful and rude. Like yeah it might but you have to let her like you have to let her do that. And unfortunately to the kids like they kind of got caught in the crossfire. Like I don't think that that was really fair.

Lindsay Chrisley (58:58)

I think what it sounds like where you're at with it is the stepmom did what she thought was right to make the kids happy and the mom was not receiving of that. So she threw it all out. So let her.

Kale Lowry (59:10)

Yeah. Because at the end of the day the kids will recognize that when they get older. They don't need you to spell it out. Now you know not to do it again. And that's sad for the stepmom, but also, hopefully this is an awakening for the mom. I don't know if this would ever get sent to her, but it's like. Like you didn't have to do all that.

Lindsay Chrisley (59:28)

And on that note, we have foul play.

Kale Lowry (59:30)

Foul play. So me and my husband every once in a while will have a night of drinking at home after the kids go to bed and play video games and board games. Well, one drunken night, we decided to go a little too rough in bed. We were about 10 minutes into fun time, and I get the worst pain I have ever felt in my life. I tell my husband that I think he's gone too deep and that I just need a minute before continuing. Needless to say, that minute was more like three hours and the pain had not subsided. I finally tell my husband that he needs to call 911 because I cannot stop sobbing and I can't move at all. He eventually does call, and it's about 2:30am at this point and we're both still drunk. These paramedics walk into our bedroom where we have sex toys, lube and alcohol sitting out. Didn't think about putting those things away until after they took me to the hospital. I'm full exposed from the waist down, and I never know what they. I never want to know what they thought of me. Then because our house is full of stairs, I'm forced into a chair that can go upstairs safely. As I'm being brought down my front stairs with only a blanket to cover my business, I look up and see some neighbors have gathered outside. Also, both of my kids have slept through this whole thing and we had to call my parents to come over and sit with them while we were at the hospital. And we couldn't leave the house in the ambulance until they got there, which was a fun conversation. Very long story, not so short. I had a cyst rupture, and now my husband likes to joke that his dick broke my vagina. I've been an avid listener since the beginning and love you both so much. Hope this made you laugh like it does us now. What?

Lindsay Chrisley (60:57)

What is the problem with men thinking that their dicks are just, like, so big that they can do so much assist, truly.

Kale Lowry (61:06)

I mean, it's the same, like, complex about, like, turning lesbians straight for them, you know, their dick size really does determine their attitudes and their ego sometimes. And it's just like, your dick is not that good. No matter how big it is. It is not Big enough for you to act like that. But this one's funny. This one is funny. You know what I mean?

Lindsay Chrisley (61:26)

Okay, but have you ever had a cyst?

Kale Lowry (61:29)

I've had a cyst and I've had a cyst rupture and they're painful.

Lindsay Chrisley (61:33)

So one of my girlfriends told me a long time ago that she had a. A cyst and she said that it was worse than childbirth birth for her.

Kale Lowry (61:42)

Yeah, I've heard that. Mine, I don't think that mine has ever been worse than childbirth that I can remember, but I've definitely had some painful ones for sure.

Lindsay Chrisley (61:50)

What are they caused from?

Kale Lowry (61:52)

Well, I have pcos, so polycystic ovary syndrome. And outside of that, I have. I don't have a clue, truly.

Lindsay Chrisley (62:00)

I got assist. You know when you go in for your like 6 week checkup or whatever after you have a baby. Yeah, I had a cyst, but they said it was from where I had ovulated and it would just go away, like on its own.

Kale Lowry (62:12)

Yeah. And sometimes, like, depending on how soon after you get pregnant, they can tell which ovary you're.

Lindsay Chrisley (62:19)

Yeah, they could tell me, like when they did my ultrasound and everything. They pinpointed exactly down to the date that I got pregnant because I knew. And which ovary that I had ovulated from that I got got pregnant from.

Kale Lowry (62:33)

I would be so curious to know if I had two eggs drop from one ovary or if one came from each for the twins.

Lindsay Chrisley (62:40)

I know that that is so interesting. Wait, because yours didn't split?

Kale Lowry (62:46)

No, I don't have identical. I just have.

Lindsay Chrisley (62:48)

No.

Kale Lowry (62:51)

Yeah, I don't know.

Lindsay Chrisley (62:52)

That's so interesting. Okay, well, I have to hop because I have to take Jackson to play therapy. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and raise on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your podcast. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

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