Ferret & Parrot: Coffee Convos Mascots

Summary

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Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Ferret & Parrot: Coffee Convos Mascots
Date: November 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid and high-energy episode, Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley dive into a range of topics with their signature banter and authenticity. From viral internet trends and mishaps in motherhood to controversial news, pet dilemmas, and the latest social media drama, the duo keeps it real—often disagreeing, always entertaining. The “ferret & parrot” theme playfully explores their dream podcast mascots, all while discussing what it means to balance parenthood, public life, and friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Internet Slang and Mom-Life Fails

[02:07–05:52]

• 6, 7 Meme: Lindsie shares her love for randomly saying "6, 7," a phrase from a Skrilla song, much to her son Jackson’s annoyance.

“I just say 6, 7, and everything to my kids is 67, literally everything.” – Lindsie [02:30]

• Kail’s Chaotic Monday: Kail recounts a hectic day: forgetting her wallet, her son Jackson's school accident (requiring stitches), and dealing with the complications of single mom life.
  • She highlights the struggle of getting Jackson treated without her ID and describes dealing with Jackson’s dad at urgent care.

“They want them to be so brave and they forget that they're 37 fucking years old.” – Kail [05:57]

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2. Sporting Events Vibes & The "Boy Aquarium"

[07:47–13:12]

• Mom Outings: Discussion about taking their sons to NBA and hockey games, emphasizing the joy of parenting experiences and live events.
• “Boy Aquarium” TikTok: Lindsie explains the TikTok term for hockey games (because players are behind glass). She debates the relative attractiveness of hockey players and their notorious dental issues.

“I just know they're good in bed. They're gonna lay the pipe.” – Lindsie [10:34]

• Fake Teeth Revelation: Kail and Lindsie discuss veneers, dental mishaps, and maintenance horror stories, sharing personal experiences and social media observations.

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3. Going Natural: Hair Extensions & Internet Scams

[15:54–26:26]

• Joint Facebook Accounts: Both hosts criticize couples with joint social media, calling it “toxic” and rooted in distrust.

“It's giving toxicity. It's giving, can’t trust my partner.” – Lindsie [15:54]

• Hair by Chrissy TikTok Drama: The hosts dissect the viral controversy of Hair by Chrissy:
  • Shady business practices: Not performing expensive services personally but charging for her brand.
  • Legal ramifications: Discussing whether dissatisfied clients have recourse.
  • Changing trends: They agree that extreme hair extensions feel outdated, preferring more natural looks now.

“$4,000 for hair seems like a lot…like, a lot of money.” – Kail [17:27]

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4. Pet Ethics: PETA Emails, Hermit Crabs, Ferrets & Parrots

[32:58–44:39]

• PETA Reaches Out: The team reads an email from PETA thanking them for raising awareness on proper care for hermit crabs and other animals discussed in a past episode.

• Hermit Crabs: Kail and Lindsie discuss how beach-sold hermit crabs can live up to 50 years in the wild but survive mere weeks as pets, questioning the ethics and legality of selling such animals.

“It's so sad when you really, like, learn about them. I can't. I can't.” – Lindsie [34:53]

• Ferret & Parrot as Mascots: The possibility of adopting a parrot or ferret comes up, with tongue-in-cheek suggestions that these pets become Coffee Convos mascots.

“Not a ferret and a parrot for Coffee Convos. Podcast mascots.” – Lindsie [44:28]

• Bird Bonding: Lindsay shares research on bird/human relationships, the longevity of parrots, and the logistics of adding one to her family.

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5. Recent News & Listener Hot Takes

[44:54–54:35]

• Teacher Scandal: The hosts react with anger to a People Magazine story about a New Jersey special-education teacher allegedly goading a disabled student into saying a slur on video.

“You are taking advantage of a child that has a speech impediment, taking a video of them and instructing them to say slurs; like, what is wrong with people?” – Kail [46:20]

• Photos of Kids in School: They discuss privacy concerns around teachers and students photographing children without explicit parental consent.

• Who Pays? Girlfriend’s Partner at Dinner:

  • Listener question: Should a friend's partner pay when socializing with a group?
  • Both agree it should not be expected, sharing personal practices of splitting or alternating tabs.

“Get your own man with his own credit card.” – Kail [53:16]

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6. Controversial Castration Law

[56:42–64:48]

• Louisiana Law: Louisiana’s law permitting surgical castration of sex offenders against minors sparks discussion.
  • Lindsie is in favor (“I just feel like you should absolutely be castrated.” [57:24]), considering physiological and psychological impacts.
  • Kail wants both prison and castration.
  • They ponder the ethics, effectiveness, and possible outcomes, and brainstorm a future book club discussion on grooming after reading “All the Ugly and Wonderful Things.”

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7. Foul Play Segment: Sex Mishaps

[64:49–71:06]

• Listener shares a graphic story about getting 27 stitches from a sexual mishap. The hosts share personal stories about similar accidents and discuss “butt play,” dismissing it with humorous candor.

“Why are we playing in a dumpster fire when you could be playing in gold?” – Kail [70:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality Star Parenting:

  “They want them to be so brave and they forget that they're 37 fucking years old.” – Kail [05:57]

• Social Commentary:

  “It's giving toxicity. It's giving, can’t trust my partner.” – Lindsie [15:54]

• On TikTok Influence:

  “You're taking advantage of these young girls who think that they're going to get an experience by you; you deserve to go to hell.” – Lindsie [22:11]

• Pet Advocacy:

  “It's so sad when you really, like, learn about them. I can't.” – Lindsie [34:53]

• Mascot Plans:

  “Not a ferret and a parrot for Coffee Convos. Podcast mascots.” – Lindsie [44:28]

• Sex Mishap Realness:

  “Why are we playing in a dumpster fire when you could be playing in gold?” – Kail [70:28]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 6, 7 Meme & Mom-Life Story: 02:07–05:52
• Sports Outings & “Boy Aquarium”: 07:47–13:12
• Hair by Chrissy Drama: 17:24–26:26
• PETA, Pet Ethics & Mascot Talk: 32:58–44:39
• Teacher Scandal & Kid Privacy: 44:54–48:51
• Joint Facebook & Social Media Trust: 15:54–17:12
• Castration Law Discussion: 56:42–64:48
• Foul Play (Sex Stories): 64:49–71:10

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

Lively, uncensored, and unafraid to challenge each other, Kail and Lindsie keep the conversation engaging, vulnerable, and often hilarious. They cover the highs and lows of modern motherhood and friendship, call out problematic trends, and offer solidarity and commiseration on life's unpredictable moments—whether the next Coffee Convos mascot should be a ferret or a parrot, or if someone really needs 27 stitches below the belt.

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Transcript

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[Kaylin]

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[Lindsay]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Kaylin]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Lindsay]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Kaylin]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Lindsay]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Kaylin]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay Good morning my little kitty cat.

[Lindsay]

Good morning kitty cat. 6 7.

[Kaylin]

I do not understand the 67 thing. It's so funny. I was playing bingo the other night and this grandma was telling me. She was like what? 6 7? I tried to say it to my grandson and he was like no, because.

[Lindsay]

Have you heard this song?

[Kaylin]

No, I. I don't even know what this is.

[Lindsay]

So six seven came from a song by Skrilla. The problem is that Skrilla lives Like outside of Kensington beach, which is like Fentanyl Central. Right? Like, it's. He's not a great example. The song itself is terrible. Good for him for making money on it. I will never knock someone that is busting their ass trying. You know what I mean? But I. I just say 6, 7, and everything to my kids is 67, literally everything.

[Kaylin]

Like, I don't understand what it means.

[Lindsay]

It doesn't mean anything.

[Kaylin]

So you just walk around 67.

[Lindsay]

It's called Do do by Do do, parentheses, 67 by Scrilla. That's literally. That is literally the extent of 6, 7. But if you remember, before there was 6, 7, there was this. And this is the real 6, 7.

[Kaylin]

I can get behind this, you know?

[Lindsay]

So really, we are the originators of six, seven. Okay.

[Kaylin]

We're just out here vibing. But somebody told me that, like, six, seven was dead.

[Lindsay]

No, I don't think so.

[Kaylin]

And by somebody, it was Jackson.

[Lindsay]

Jackson said it was dead.

[Kaylin]

Yeah. He was like, no one needs to say six, seven to me because it, like, literally means nothing. And it gets on my nerves.

[Lindsay]

So. My nerves.

[Kaylin]

Can I tell you about yesterday? Because have you ever had a day that you wake up and you're like, oh, this is going to be, like a good one, and then you start, you know, going along and everything just goes to hell, like by 8:00am oh, for sure.

[Lindsay]

I've had those mornings.

[Kaylin]

Okay, so that was definitely my Monday morning. Jackson and I went to the Falcons Panthers game on Sunday. We left the house. Did not. We left the house at 8am, went to church, went to the game, and did not get home until 7:30pm so want to talk about, like, my feet barking? By the time that I got home, they're still in pain. Wake up. I have my little clear bag for the game, so all of my stuff's in there. I bring it into the house, thinking I'm going to be a professional organizer, Leave the house. We go to go to Chick Fil A. And I have no wallet. So I'm like, you're actually getting school breakfast this morning. And he was like, okay. Not really how I wanted to start my day. I bebop along, go to Pilates, pull out of the Pilates parking lot. And by 10am sharp, I was getting an emergency call from the school that Jackson had flipped his chair upside down and backwards and had to have stitches in his upper lip.

[Lindsay]

Solid, solid morning. Lindsay was texting me off the charts about it, and I was like, oh, something really was just shit hit the fan. But I Definitely like that.

[Kaylin]

It hit the fan yesterday. Then I was like, oh, God, how am I going to get my kid? Because they asked for an ID at the school. Well, I had taken a picture of my ID so that I can save it on my phone because this is not the first time I've ever forgotten my wallet. So they did accept that, but then I had to call Will to meet us at urgent care because he had a copy of the insurance card. So he meets us at urgent care and let me just tell you, a boy with his dad, like, just don't ever take a boy with his dad to do anything medical.

[Lindsay]

No, no, literally. No, literally. Won't. Literally, literally.

[Kaylin]

Because they want them to be so brave and they forget that they're 37 fucking years old.

[Lindsay]

It's actually infuriating. There was one time I might have told the story. It's similar, similar, similar. Go to the orthodontist with one of the kids and their father and child starts, like, freaking out. He's, like, nervous because he doesn't. Nothing's going to hurt, but he doesn't know what to expect, so he gets all inside his own head. He's freaking out. Dad, suddenly, you know what? Stop this. We don't have to do this anymore. Like, I don't know why we're doing this. This is not necessary. Why we're here.

[Kaylin]

And, like, we're in the moment.

[Lindsay]

This is necessary. That's why we're here.

[Kaylin]

Oh, my God. You're like. The straight teeth are what's necessary and the behavior is what's not. I'm just like, oh, my God. Okay, so I have never. Actually, yeah, I've had stitches from, like, the dermatologist before, but, like, as a kid, I never had stitches. I wasn't, like, accident prone. First time he's ever had stitches. And lidocaine straight to the lip. And when they put that needle in the blood, I guess it, like, kind of, like, fills it up and the blood just went. I was like, no, no. And then Will's just sitting there again in basketball shorts.

[Lindsay]

What?

[Kaylin]

Sitting there the same way he was sitting there when I gave birth. And I was like, you know what? Some things never change.

[Lindsay]

No, truly. I feel like men never really grow up. You know what I mean?

[Kaylin]

Wait, I have to ask you, are you trying the no mascara situation as well?

[Lindsay]

No, you just can't see that I have it because the lighting sucks.

[Kaylin]

Well, I'm trying the no mascara situation because allergies here have been absolutely atrocious. And I don't Wish it on my worst enemy.

[Lindsay]

In case Kristen was wondering, Lindsay and I have been plotting to take the boys to an NBA game. So I don't. What is this for? To hang up?

[Kaylin]

Yeah, it's like a hanger.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. Well, it was, like, strangling me. Kristen, we're trying to go. No, not an atl. We're trying to. Lindsay said she would come to Philly for the 76ers versus Charlotte so we could watch lamelo ball play. And we want to take Jackson and Lincoln.

[Kaylin]

That would be so fun. I think our boys would have such a good time. Jackson likes to go to every sporting event that he possibly can go to.

[Lindsay]

I also like to go to every. I don't care if they're not even my team. Like, I just want to go for the vibes. I. I am taking my sister to a Flyers game this weekend because she wants to go to the boy aquarium. And when she said, when someone tells me they want to go to the boy aquarium, we're going to the boy aquarium. And I'm not even a hockey fan. I just go for the vibes. Like, I'm a hockey fan.

[Kaylin]

What are the vibes that you.

[Lindsay]

Hockey games are unmatched. I get it. You love football. You know, we could get behind, you know, a soccer game for the vibes, but a hockey game. Like, I could get behind the fights. I could get behind the humping for stretches. I could get behind the twerking on the ice just to rotate the hips. Like, I could get behind all of it.

[Kaylin]

Why is any of that going on?

[Lindsay]

Lindsay, you have to be there.

[Kaylin]

I mean, I'm down to go. I love taking him to, like, every sporting event because he gets so excited, but I'm really not, like, the type of girly that likes to be around a lot of people.

[Lindsay]

The thing about hockey games is the tickets are so much cheaper than any other sporting event. So Kristin gets club like a box, where the server comes and we sit down and we're not. It was a game changer for me. I literally looked at Kristen, and I said, you created a monster, because I will never do another sporting event. Not this way. Because your kids can be contained in a box.

[Kaylin]

What is the boy aquarium?

[Lindsay]

Boy aquarium is ice hockey because they're behind the glass.

[Kaylin]

I thought you were talking about going to, like, an aquarium that had tanks.

[Lindsay]

The boy aquarium is ice hockey.

[Kaylin]

Is that something that, like, regular, normal people with brains know? Because I've never heard of that.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, like, if you're on the boy aquarium side of tick Tock, you'll learn very quick. Actually, let me pull up a video. I'll send it to you right now because.

[Kaylin]

Are you attracted to hockey players?

[Lindsay]

No, I'm not. I'm not attracted to anyone, to be honest. Everyone gives me the ick.

[Kaylin]

Everyone's gonna say you're asexual now.

[Lindsay]

Probably like, teeth face.

[Kaylin]

Why are they, like.

[Lindsay]

I just know. And they're not my type in any way. I just know they're good in bed. Like, I know they're good and I know that they could. They're gonna get down. They're putting it. They're laying that pipe. Okay. And I just know it.

[Kaylin]

Neil, I have heard that hockey players have the most horrible teeth.

[Lindsay]

That's fine. I watched. I watched Lindsay. I watched an ice hockey fight where the player lost his teeth. Okay. I watched. They were flying around like Kristen and I. What's fake? The teeth are fake.

[Kaylin]

The teeth. Like, most players have fake teeth because.

[Kristen]

They get knocked out.

[Kaylin]

Most hockey teams have, like, a cosmetic dentist on staff, as they should.

[Lindsay]

But I don't give a what your mouth looks like. If my eyes are closed, I know you can lay the pipe.

[Kaylin]

No, I need to see, like, the entire confection.

[Lindsay]

No, you're going. We're going. We are going. Okay, you. I don't care if we. Does Atlanta have a ice hockey team? Like, could we try to find.

[Kaylin]

We used to. It used to be called, like, the Atlanta Thrashers, I think. And people used to go. When I was in high school, it was like the it thing to do. And my parents never let me go. Maybe it's because they knew that they could lay the pipe.

[Lindsay]

Listen, all I'll say is NHL players need to get paid more. They get paid the least out of all the sports. And they have the hardest sport to play.

[Kaylin]

And I mean, getting their teeth knocked out.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, but it's so fun. I'm there for the vibes all day.

[Kaylin]

That is one of my biggest fears of my entire life is losing my teeth.

[Lindsay]

Same. I've had dreams where I'm, like, losing my teeth. And, like, I got my teeth done in California. Do you know what it would be like if I lost one of my teeth and I had to go to California? Like, I'd have to drop everything for several days to go for fix my tooth. I couldn't just make an appointment here in Dover.

[Kaylin]

Wait, I'm pretty sure that I saw a tiktoker. Is it Alex Earl?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, probably.

[Kaylin]

I'm pretty sure that she has veneers and, like, lost One, I would love to get veneers, but the thoughts of like something being on top of my teeth, I just don't know if like my sensory issues would allow for me to be able to do that. But also the thoughts of losing one and have to walk around with it like looking like that.

[Lindsay]

I have veneers, knock on wood. I've never, nothing has ever come off and I don't. I understand what you're saying about like the thing on top of your tooth, but I have the ones where you don't shave your tooth down. So like you don't even feel something on top of your. Does that make sense?

[Kaylin]

Like you don't regret it?

[Lindsay]

No.

[Kaylin]

You don't?

[Lindsay]

No, I regret not. I'm whiter.

[Kaylin]

Are yours the no prep ones?

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kaylin]

See that's what, that's what I want to get but I just don't know like if it, if it feels like any sense of like thickness and I like. How do you clean the teeth on the bottom?

[Lindsay]

You can't. They clean them before they put them on. And then because they have like the glue or the cement or whatever, they're sealed. So in theory, if you go to the right dentist, you should not ever have to worry about having to clean under them because they are sealed shut closed. It's sort of like when you get a cavity filled that should. In theory, if they're cleaned out properly and done correctly, you should not get more cavities underneath. With that being said, I know I have heard horror stories of people not having their veneers done properly and then they're getting. They have to have them removed to shave down their tooth. So you have to vet your cosmetic dentist. The holidays can take a lot out of you. Late nights travel endless to do lists. You might push through, but your body feels a little bit of all of it. Function helps you explore how stress may affect your key health markers inside your body. And these lab tests are simple step to gauge how well your body's handling the season. Here's what it can reveal. Cortisol, the versatile stress hormone that helps keep you alert. But too much can leave you feeling weird and you need to rest. Thyroid markers such as TSH T3 and T4 can help reveal whether stress is affecting your thyroid and energy. Glucose plus HbA1c. These markers reveal how stress affects your blood sugar regulation and metabolic health over recent days and months. Lab visits are fast and convenient at 2,000 plus locations across the US $499 a year. That's 137 per day for advanced health insights.

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[Lindsay]

No. I'm sorry, but no, I'm so sorry. Like, guaranteed we have listeners that share Facebook. Okay. And I wish that I could support it, but it's giving toxicity. It's giving. Can't trust my partner to have their own Facebook. So we have to have a joint one. Like, what is the purpose of the joint Facebook, exactly?

[Kaylin]

I mean, I will say based off some past things that I've been through, that if it wasn't for the way that it looks, I probably would do it, like, if I was not going to be judged. First of all, I don't even have anybody to share Facebook with. But I'm just saying, hypothetical situation, I might do it because then you both have access to, like, all the dms and, you know, all the things might give you, like, a little bit of peace of mind if you've ever been through some shit that would involve social media.

[Lindsay]

Right.

[Kaylin]

But it's just like, the way that it looks to the outside world. And I know that we can't live in this world that we care about what everybody else thinks. But, like, if I'm judging myself, I know other people would be judging me.

[Lindsay]

Okay, well, I don't want to. I would judge you. Like, I would.

[Kaylin]

I know you would.

[Lindsay]

No doubt in my mind you would.

[Kaylin]

Unfriend me on there. You would be like, what the fudge? I signed up to be friends with her. I didn't sign up to be friends with him. So I already know we need to.

[Lindsay]

Talk about something that everyone keeps tagging us in.

[Kaylin]

What is it?

[Lindsay]

Hair by Crispy.

[Kaylin]

Oh, yeah. I've actually definitely gone down the rabbit hole of the video. I don't know how I got on that side of TikTok. I don' Know if it's because I watched the, like, one video of the girl not famous, and then it, like, became a part of my algorithm. And so all the videos keep coming up. I will just say $4,000 for hair seems like a lot of money. Like, a lot of money.

[Lindsay]

I have a problem with not the money, okay. Because people can spend their money however they want on whatever they want. The money is not the problem for me. I do. I do think that 4000 is a little excessive. Like, we've both had hair extensions before, and that does seem a little excessive for me. My problem is there are several problems I have. So, one, she used to be called Hair by Crispy because she was frying everybody's hair off. Somehow between Covid time and now, she had completely remarketed and rebranded herself to the point that people are willing to spend for and $5,000 on their hair. Okay? So I don't know what. How that happened. My biggest problem is that people are booking with her because of, like, the notoriety she has on social media. They're getting to her salon, and she's not the one doing their hair. That is what bothers me because I know if I book with Taylor, I'm booking for doing your hair? Yes. And I'll go to any girl in her salon because they're all good. She's not hiring and training girls that are not good. So I know that if she put me with somebody else, that's fine. But she's also giving me a heads up. Hey, I can't do your hair. But so and so can. Oh, Bella can do your hair. Great. Thank you. Like, thank you for the heads up. I'm not paying $4,000 for a service for another hairstylist to do my hair. And your name is on it. Like, that's not how this should work. Right.

[Kaylin]

Like, well, I watched a video of an attorney that was, like, dissecting what was going on because a lot of people had questions like, okay, was there any type of, like, disclaimers or anything like that? Could you legally go after her for her not being the one to do your hair? But you're being charged. And the attorney said that the way that she might be able to get around that is that technically it is her hair because it is her brand of extensions.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, hair. Right. But. But it's misleading. It is to turn around and say, book hair with Chrissy. Yes, you're getting hair by Chrissy, but you're not being specific. People are booking because they think that you are doing their hair. Not that it's just the extent. And then another like, group of stylists or salon or whatever said that she stole whatever technique and hair situation with the extension. She stole it from them. So it's not even really like she stole. Allegedly. Let me, let me speak. Allegedly. Allegedly Crispy. And I'm calling her Crispy because I have no respect for her. Stole this, like, technique or whatever from other stylists and then put her name on it. Like, I don't know if it was patented, if it was. Whatever, whatever the case may be, you are fraudulent all the way. I don't give a. Legally speaking, like, if you're taking someone else's ideas and you're putting your name on it and marketing it this way as if you came up with it like you're free fraud.

[Kaylin]

I don't like that either. I do feel like people are going to that salon because they want the experience, because she has basically built a brand around using influencers and like these dramatic hair changes. The problem that I have with that is now you are making these girls believe that they're going to come there and they're going to get that hair and they're going to get that experience and they're not getting that experience. And for the people who are paying those high prices for, for the hair that are just like the normal people going in there that, you know, aren't influencers, they're not tiktokers, they're also having to navigate around all of these people creating content as well. So, like, is that not an aggravating experience when there's tiktokers in there, Instagram girls, and they're making all of this content, they're getting all of Chrissy's time and then these girls who are paying like their hard earned money. I don't know if she makes the influencer girls, like, pay or not.

[Lindsay]

Well, that's when you started saying that. That was my next thought was some of the girls that, that I've seen the reviews about Crispy not touching their hair. They don't look like full time influencers. So they're not just. And let me not say just because making. Making content is. Can be very, very challenging. These are young girls that are saving their money or whatever the case may be, whether it's on social media or they have like regular jobs, traditional jobs. I'm trying to be sensitive. $4,000 is a lot that, like, that is a full investment. And you're taking advantage of these young girls who think that they're going to get an experience by you, you deserve to go to hell.

[Kaylin]

I also didn't like after the girl came out and did just an honest review based off of her personal experience, I didn't like the idea that very much felt like mean girls bullying on how she responded and why now are videos being posted of this girl not famous on Chrissy's like hair page or I don't know if she uses it for personal or just hair, but you know, it's being posted and the girl said that she never signed any consent for that to be posted on social media. So I don't know if that's true or if it's not. But allegedly she had requested for it to be removed because she didn't, didn't approve for it to be posted. The avatar photo of Chrissy was changed of her doing hair and sticking her tongue out. T shirts made about, you know, $4,000 hair. And it's like, what are we doing? Like you're a grown person in your 40s and this girl was on tick tock just giving her review and she is within her right mind to give her review.

[Lindsay]

I agree. I would be curious to see if Chrissy. Because I actually didn't go to her page. I want to go to it now. Hair by I wonder Chrissy. I wonder if she's lost any followers.

[Kaylin]

The last time I looked, I think she had 1.5 million followers.

[Lindsay]

How many?

[Kaylin]

1.5 million.

[Lindsay]

She has 3.5 million now.

[Kaylin]

Wait, what? Did I look at the wrong damn page? 3.5 million. That's a lot to be a hair person.

[Lindsay]

I want to know if she's lost any fellow I followed. Oh God, what the hell was her name? I followed another girl. She didn't really do her work on there, but she was a hairstylist that would do like scenarios that she's like scenarios of clients and she got really, really famous. Like 5 million followers. And I, I always loved her work and I would rather go by go to her because it seems like she actually does. I'm trying to think hair stylist. Oh my God, what is her name? She's so funny. She talks about like I followed her for a long time. I don't know where she is, but she always did like funny scenarios. And it's just like people have a lot of audacity. Like truly.

[Kaylin]

Do you think that anything is going to legally come of that situation? Because I think that possibly something will.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, I, I agree. I think that something is going to happen with this. I think that people are going to band together, because you can't just do stuff like that and then get away with it. Like, you just. You can't.

[Kaylin]

And I mean, I might. I'm. I might be speaking for more people than I should be speaking for, but I also feel like the extreme hair extensions are, like, out of date or, like, outdated.

[Lindsay]

What do you mean?

[Kaylin]

Like, at one point, I feel like it was cool to use hair as, like, your accessory. Right. It's like, your main part of your being. And I feel like that was kind of somewhere around, like, 2017, 2018. And now I feel like we're getting into more of, like, a natural era. And maybe it's just I'm getting into a natural era, and I think everybody else is, but I just feel like it's such, like, an outdated thing.

[Lindsay]

I think it's millennial parents. Like, we're kind of, like, past. Yeah, we're doing more of, like, simplicity. Also, the times are changing because, I mean, nobody can afford to live right now. So we're not thinking about hair extensions, at least. I mean, I'm glad I was talked out of it. I'll say that.

[Kaylin]

I'm so glad that I was able to get other people on board to.

[Lindsay]

Talk you out of it, because, like, I just got my hair done on Sunday and I didn't get a trim this time because I was like, I don't. I really want to grow my hair out, but, like, I really don't. My hair will be long by summertime. I'm not really worried about it. So it's an expense that I don't need. It's an maintenance and appointment that I don't have necessarily have time for. And so it worked out for me. But I do feel bad for the young girls that are being taken advantage of. Like, I. If I could gather them all up and, like, send them to Taylor, I would, because Taylor actually appreciates her clients and doesn't overcharge.

[Kaylin]

I just feel like it's a. A situation to where there's probably going to be way more to come of this than what we've even. I feel like it's like, a surface level right now, and I feel like the more people that, like, latch onto it, the more that's going to come of that situation. No doubt you had, like, super famous people commenting on it.

[Lindsay]

Were they agreeing? Disagreeing? What were they saying?

[Kaylin]

Um, I think the majority of the people were. Were agreeing with the not famous girl.

[Lindsay]

Oh.

[Kaylin]

Which I was in complete agreement with the not famous girl, too.

[Lindsay]

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[Kaylin]

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[Lindsay]

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[Kaylin]

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[Lindsay]

Also need to talk about the TikTok, not the Tick tock. The door dash driver who was arrested and charged with things because she posted a picture or TikTok. Did you hear about this?

[Kaylin]

No, I did not.

[Lindsay]

New York Door Dash driver arrested after sharing video of naked customer passed out in his own home she literally stuck her like the door was open. Let me just break this down for you. At the point that if I show up to someone's house and I don't know them and the door is open and I like see that they're asleep, I don't give a fuck what they're doing, jerking off, butt, ass naked, whatever, the door is wide open. I'm actually concerned and I'm calling the police. I'm not gonna go post a video of it. So this woman in upstate New York, she's a doordash driver. This went viral on TikTok and she's trying to defend herself and she's like, I'M a victim. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So she shows the man with his pants and underwear around his ankles, and he's passed out. And she was arrested for this and faces up to eight years in prison. In prison if convicted of two felonies. She had been the one to contact the cops, claiming she had been deliberately lured by the man, even though he appeared to be passed out in his own home. The customer requested that my order be left at their front door. But when I arrived to their house, their front door was wide open and they were within eyesight of the front door, laying on the couch indecently exposed to me. So she's trying to say.

[Kaylin]

Yeah, I see what she's trying to say.

[Lindsay]

However, the ring camera footage appears to show Henderson let herself into the man's house. And police have said there's no indication she was encouraged to go in, let alone film it. Her own video indicates that the male was incapacitated and unconscious on his couch due to alcohol consumption. And the doordash driver subsequently posted the video on social media where it drew significant attention. I listen, I could see how someone would be drunk or high and then order on doordash and then fall asleep. That doesn't see that too.

[Kaylin]

That, that story adds up what she's saying kind of adds up a little bit, too. But if you're saying that there was a ring camera that said something opposite, like the footage said something opposite, then she's obviously just saying whatever to benefit herself. Why. Why would you take a video of a man passed out in his house with his pants around his ankles? Why wouldn't you call the police?

[Lindsay]

Well, I think she did contact police, but to make it seem like people are so stupid that I just, like, I don't understand. First of all, you cannot commit a crime these days and think that you're going to get away with it. Like, you just can't. The technology, the eyewitnesses, the ring cameras. How do you. Like, this is so dumb to me that you thought that you were gonna. What did you think you were gonna do for, like, make it make sense?

[Kaylin]

Why would you contact the police but then post the video that you're contacting the police about on Tick Tock?

[Lindsay]

No, she posted the man, his body.

[Kaylin]

Like it was naked on Tick Tock. Oh, no, no, that's a felony.

[Lindsay]

Like, essentially breaking and entering. If she opened, if she let herself in. I don't. If your door is even open. I'm not. I'm not even putting the food inside. Even if your door is Open. I'm putting it on your step.

[Kaylin]

So same. And also, if I saw. If I was door dashing and I walked up to somebody's front door and I saw a possibly drunk naked man with his pants around his damn ankles, I'm trying to get out of there fast. Like, I am not trying to get my phone out to start taking videos of this person.

[Lindsay]

No, absolutely not. Absolutely the not. But she's on tick tock trying to defend herself and people are upset, as they should be.

[Kaylin]

That's insane. Wait, I need to ask Kristen. Why are you telling us that you need to read an email from PETA? Did PETA email us?

[Kristen]

PETA did email y', all, so I'm here to bring it to you.

[Lindsay]

What? Wait, why?

[Kaylin]

Yeah, I'm gonna read it.

[Kristen]

Hi, Kayl and Lindsay. We caught your episode of Coffee Combos. I wanted to thank you for speaking up for hermit crabs, lobsters, octopuses and other animals. All unique individuals who can experience pain, fear and joy like us. And you're correct. Hermit crabs who are sold as pets are stolen from their coastal homes, peddled as cheap trinkets, fed improper diets, and have significantly shorter lives. But thanks in part to thoughtful conversations like yours, most people understand that these resourceful, clever, social beings belong in the wild, not confined to small, unnatural habitats. In thanks, we'd love to send some goodies for you and your families, including books, plushies, stickers, and bandanas for your dogs. Thanks again. If we can provide additional information about this or any other animal related issue, please don't hesitate to let us know. We'd be happy to hear from you anytime.

[Kaylin]

Yay.

[Lindsay]

We love PETA.

[Kaylin]

Thank you, Peter.

[Lindsay]

We love PETA. So that's so funny that they emailed us because I was scrolling, as I do. And the same girl that I told you about, Janie, who posts about the hermit crabs, she literally. I'm scrolling this morning and I come across her video and it literally says, the hermit crab you got from the beach should have lived 50 years. And she's not wrong. I'm going to. I'll send it to you in the group too. I understand that. I think. Here's my theory on it. I think that people don't think that, like, little creatures like that can experience the same sort of feelings that we do because we're human. And so you look at a crab and you're like, they don't know what happiness is. I think that's why they're just sort of like, nobody cares about them. But it's so Sad when you really, like, learn about them. You're like, oh, like, to me, I can't imagine a world where, like, I've seen octopuses open jar. Like, I can't. I can't.

[Kaylin]

I can't listen. After the conversation that we had, the amount of videos that I have watched of octopus or octopus. Is it octopi?

[Lindsay]

I think it's octopi.

[Kaylin]

Octopi are opening these jars and it's like, oh, wow. Like, their brain is working with more cylinders than mine.

[Lindsay]

I'm going to send you this video of Janie. It literally says the hermit crab. You. The hermit crab you got as a kid, should have lived 50 years.

[Kaylin]

But, like, how are they keeping them? How is this girl keeping them alive? Like, she's properly putting them in habitats that are conducive to a long life.

[Lindsay]

No, they. That's how they would live in the wild. Like, they don't die in a week or two weeks in the wild. In the wild, in their regular environments with sand and being able to molt and eat a proper diet, like, that's how they're living. So you're taking them out of an environment with, like, humidity and climate control and sand and salt water, fresh water, all the things, and you're putting them in a cage with nothing but a couple rocks and you're saying, oh, this is cute. From the beach for two weeks. Like, that's so sad.

[Kaylin]

It is so sad. Like, why are places like what you were saying, if you go to, like, one of these, like, beach places that have them where you can purchase them, and then they have like, the little plastic containers under, like, where you can purchase. Why are they allowed to do that? And don't get in trouble.

[Lindsay]

I would. I would love to know the state, like, how. How is that legal?

[Kaylin]

Like, if it's not humane, then why are they allowed to do it? But then I guess you have to start thinking about, like, pet stores and stuff. Like, I personally don't feel like it's humane to see four and five puppies in, like, one little cage, like, behind a glass thing. I don't think that's humane.

[Lindsay]

Have you ever seen, like, have you ever gone into, like, a petsmart or something? And you see, I had never seen it in person. I've only seen it on social media where they'll, like ferrets or hamsters or guinea pigs. They have psychosis inside of those little plastic containers.

[Kaylin]

They have psychosis?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, basically, like, they, like, run back and forth and they're like, all, like, they look like, they're cracked out.

[Kaylin]

Oh, my God.

[Lindsay]

That's created because they are in these, like, little glass containers in places like petsmart and stuff.

[Kaylin]

I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Like, having a ferret would be pretty cool.

[Lindsay]

You know what?

[Kaylin]

Little rolly balls. But, like, not in a cage, you know?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, totally. Like, Kristen texted me and was like, how much trouble would I get in if I hypothetically got you a bird? That bird. If she gets me a bird. Like, first of all, I've always wanted one. And second, that bird would never go in it. Like, probably just for bed. Like, I would literally keep that bird out everywhere, all the time. Like, I would want the bird to be, like, my little companion.

[Kaylin]

Have you heard that, like, people actually put birds in, like, their will because they live for so long?

[Lindsay]

Yes. Like, Kristen told me that her bird will likely outlive them.

[Kaylin]

And then, like, what do you do? Because that bird has, like, built a relationship with you, and, like, they know you, like, what happens and, like, where do they go?

[Lindsay]

I think you typically leave them in a will to, like, like, a child, like, your friend or something like that. Like, Kristen was like, there's an adoption room at the store where she gets all her bird stuff. And I'm like, well, I would definitely adopt when they usually. Only from the research I did about African grays specifically, because that's what I really would love to have as an African gray. They bond with one, maybe two people, and then they. They really just. It's sort of like, a lot of the aggressive dog breeds are actually good with families and stuff like that, but sometimes they bond to, like, very specific people. Birds are the same way like you. They burn. They bond to, like, one person. You better hope that whoever you leave that bird to gets along with that person, because they're. They're finicky.

[Kaylin]

So back up. Are you getting a bird?

[Lindsay]

Well, Kristin, do you know if they have African grays?

[Kristen]

I don't know what's currently available in their adoption room because I haven't gone the last couple of times that Corey went.

[Kaylin]

But find out, like, when they're baby babies, you can't.

[Kristen]

I got mine when he was a baby, like, a hatchling.

[Kaylin]

He had no.

[Kristen]

He had no feathers or anything. He was very naked. Yeah. And then it grows, and it's so cute, and I love him so much. But then they have, like, a full room full of, like, birds that their owners have either died or it's. It's kind of just like any other pet where it doesn't align with the family anymore. And they put it up for adoption. It's sad.

[Lindsay]

So I went to Saraya's house in March. Her bird Paulie loves me. And she was like, kill. This never happens. Like he's not friendly with other people. Like he's just not. This is her bird.

[Kaylin]

Oh my God, it's so cute.

[Lindsay]

And he talks.

[Kaylin]

Like, do they say sentences or they just say words?

[Lindsay]

They can say. He can say sentences. And I have pictures holding him.

[Kristen]

Like.

[Lindsay]

Literally sing songs, unfortunately. And I'm pretty sure I said this on the podcast. Buddha has cancer and I have said that I will not get another. Huh.

[Kaylin]

That makes me so sad for you.

[Lindsay]

I will not get another dog. Because Bear and Buddha are. And Karma was a good dog. Karma just very, very protective to the point where it was like dangerous. I have this, these pictures. I would. I feel like a bird would be a good option for me instead of a dog. If you need a closet, glow up. If you're going on a date night, you have a wedding or a special event, Revolve has you covered. They have 1200 plus brands and 100,000 styles across fashion, beauty and home, from high end to emerging and exclusive exclusive labels. I just redid the content house. It looks so freaking cute. And I also got this cute little airplane mode crew neck from Revolve. It was my first order from Revolve and I thought it was so good. And ever since I got the drawstring jeans, I don't want to shop anywhere else.

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[Lindsay]

I'm going to show you a picture. Hold on.

[Kaylin]

Are you going to take it everywhere with you? Like, when you go places, can you take it out of the house? Like, Like, I.

[Lindsay]

If it. If the bird is big, I would probably take it places. If it's a small bird like Kristen's, I wouldn't, but I would keep it out of the cage a lot. But this is her bird that I'm up. I don't even know if I have the pictures of it on here.

[Kaylin]

So do birds, like, because I know sometimes Kristen will be having that bird flying around her house, and I'm like, is it she, like, the whole time it's flying around?

[Kristen]

No, mine does not. Mine, like, will go back to his cage and poop.

[Lindsay]

Oh, I guess I don't have pictures.

[Kaylin]

So he's, like, trained.

[Kristen]

Yeah. You can, like, train your bird to, like, know where it's gonna.

[Kaylin]

So essentially, it's like it's litter box.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Kaylin]

And it just goes back in the cage, takes a. And then comes back out.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Lindsay]

I don't have.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Kaylin]

Oh, my God.

[Kristen]

His mind's flighted. Some people clip all their wings, and then they can't. Then they're not flighted. But I kept mine flighted.

[Lindsay]

That is pictures of it. But I held her bird, loved her.

[Kaylin]

Bird, and so is that what you're gonna get yourself for Christmas?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe I will.

[Kaylin]

Maybe that's just, like, you're gonna be just, like, chilling with your bird.

[Lindsay]

You're gonna see a bird on my shoulder.

[Kaylin]

If I. If I get on this podcast one day and I just see a bird walking across your chest, that might, you know, that might really just up the ante like that. That might make me really want to do 20, 26. Like, I could get behind it. Like, we just have, like, a new co host, and it's a bird.

[Lindsay]

It's a bird. The bird is the kitty mascot.

[Kaylin]

I get a ferret. Like, could you imagine my house with just a ferret just, like, strolling through here?

[Lindsay]

Not a ferret and a parrot for coffee combos. Podcast mascot.

[Kaylin]

A ferret and a parrot.

[Lindsay]

That would be amazing. Honestly, we're on to something.

[Kaylin]

We are. We are. You know, Kindles and candles and ferret and parrot.

[Lindsay]

Kindle, candle, ferret, and parrots, period.

[Kaylin]

We're on it. Okay, wait. I have to tell you this story because I Feel like it's gonna piss you off.

[Lindsay]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin]

People magazine did a whole article on it and it says that it was a teacher that was accused of filming an 8 year old with a speech impediment telling them to say anti gay slurs. This was in New Jersey. It was a special education teacher. And it says that the teacher is accused of having recorded and posted a video online of an 8 year old student with learning disabilities that made fun of her speech impediment. Now the child's mother is filing a lawsuit. The. The suit was filed in New Jersey and it says that this teacher was an ex special education teacher. And it says, according to the complaint, which was obtained by People, the girl identified as MG and the court filing was at the time an 8 year old third grader, when this teacher instructed her to say in quotes for qk. Then it says that the speech impediment made it sound like she said, and I quote, f you gay.

[Lindsay]

Are you there? So, no, I'm not there. I'm. There is so much, like, there is so much wrong with that and on so many levels. The way that I would fight the teacher and then also sue. I mean, I would be in prison myself.

[Kaylin]

Like, you are taking advantage of a child that has a speech impediment, taking a video of them and instructing them to say slurs like, what is wrong? What is wrong with people?

[Lindsay]

Like, what crosses your mind?

[Kaylin]

And why would that be funny?

[Lindsay]

What crosses your mind to do that to a child?

[Kaylin]

Also, I just want to say, like, why are. Why are people out here taking videos of other people's kids? Like, I have a big problem with that.

[Lindsay]

No, that's terrifying because especially with AI and all the things that you can do, why are you taking. And I'm not talking about, like, I took a video of Elliot during his play the other night. Right. Like, they're my. He's my child. But like, I'm not gonna do anything with it. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can't. The one scene, you can't really see the other person. Like, you know that there's another student there, but you can't tell who it is. Yeah. Or like what they look like because they're in costume. Okay, I could maybe see that. But like somebody else. Like if, for example, Creed's in kindergarten, he's five years old. Don't take pictures or videos of my. Of my child. What? Like, no.

[Kaylin]

So with your county, do you guys have to sign like a release for there to be any, like Photos or anything posted. Like if the teacher has like a class Instagram or if the school is using like photos from their teacher, do you have to consent to those photos or videos?

[Lindsay]

Yes, but I think that the problem is that teachers, and not just teachers but people in general, they're taking the pictures anyway without consent. But because they're not going on that like school page or something, they sort of get away with it. But that's not to say that they don't take pictures and videos on their phones anyway and still have them.

[Kaylin]

I just don't want anybody taking any pictures or videos of my kid, period.

[Lindsay]

No, at all. Especially because people know who we are and I feel like it's scary because they'll take pictures and videos anyway and that's. I also don't like that at all. Like that part freaks me out and.

[Kaylin]

I'm not talking about like my co parent or my ex in laws, like I don't care about that or like I guess Jackson's uncles, like that doesn't bother me because that's family. But in a school setting I don't even want other students getting their phone out and taking a video of my kid.

[Lindsay]

No, I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[Kaylin]

Okay, well let's get into some real life shit from our listeners. This person says on the Facebook group recently I was chatting with some girlfriends and they made a comment that they think their friend's man should pay if they all three go to dinner or if they are out for drinks or if it's a group of girls and one of the men calm, they should get everyone's drinks etc. To me this is not logical. I would never expect a friend's man to pay for anything of mine and I would never expect my man to pay for my friend's stuff. I mean sure there are exceptions. A friend is down bad or I invited them and we said that we would pay but otherwise I think this is ridiculous. Just curious about everyone's opinion on the subject.

[Lindsay]

So Kristen and I and Corey have all gone out and we just take turns paying. Like sometimes they'll pay, sometimes I'll pay. But like it's never an expectation in any way, shape or form. I would never in a million years expect for my friend's partner to pay for my stuff. Like if they do it. Thank you so much. Like I didn't expect that but like to expect it. Like the audacity of people. What? Because he's a man, he should pay it. That's like the one time I'll stick up for men. It's like, you don't necessarily need to pay for your partners, friends, drinks, or meal. Like, that is so weird to me.

[Kaylin]

So there are three people that I've dated that we would have been in social settings together where, like, I probably invited everybody that I know, and, like, everybody comes. It's all girls. Right. So there's been situations where a lot of times, like, who I was with might be the only man in the situation. Two of the three people most likely would pay for my friends. One of the people or one of the persons wouldn't do that because I feel like he would be like, okay, well, I'm gonna take care of mine and my girl. And it would be weird for me to be paying for another girl's drinks. You know what I mean?

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kaylin]

I think it very much has to do with personality.

[Lindsay]

No, I agree.

[Kaylin]

Do I think that it is absolutely necessary for. Let's say. Okay, let's just say I was dating somebody and you came into town and we were like, oh, like, let's go grab drinks and watch football. Like, no, we're gonna just probably take turns, like, paying, and we're not splitting a bill.

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kaylin]

Okay. Would that be the situation with all of my friends? No.

[Lindsay]

No. But I think the expectation is, like. The expectation of it is weird. Like, why are we in. Especially in this economy, like, why are we expecting anyone to pay for anything? Like, I don't even want to pay for myself right now. It's so expensive. You step outside, it's a hundred bucks.

[Kaylin]

Like, exactly. If you leave your house, I'm not even kidding. You're at least spending $15 at Chick Fil A.

[Lindsay]

Like. Like, at minimum, I'm afraid to go outside these days.

[Kaylin]

It is so expensive. But, I mean, I feel like if you're going into a social setting and it's like you with your girlfriends and your girlfriend is with her man. I personally believe unless you're willing to pay for your own stuff, you shouldn't be in that social setting.

[Lindsay]

I would agree. I would wholeheartedly agree with you on that. If you. And. And if something happens and someone at the bar buys you a drink or, you know, somebody else got the bill this time, make a mental note, because next time you go out, you should probably pick up the tab because yours was picked up this time. So I just feel like you shouldn't go unless you're gonna pay for your. Like, unless you're expecting to pay for yourself. Anything that happens.

[Kaylin]

I never expect somebody's man to pay for me.

[Lindsay]

No. Like, I'm not. If Kristen and Corey were like, hey, Kayla, do you want to go get drinks? Or you want to go do this or you want to go do that? Whatever. I don't expect anyone. Like, just because they invited me doesn't mean they're paying for it.

[Kaylin]

And maybe it's like, a territorial part of my personality that, like, makes me really want to say the next statement that I'm gonna make. Get your own man with his own credit card facts.

[Lindsay]

No, that's so true, though. That is. Like, I told Kristen, I was like, hey, my sister wants to go to a Flyers game when she gets here, or whatever. Kristen got on her, and Corey bought the tickets, or she bought the tickets. I don't know. And I paid her right away. Like, I'm not. I just don't. Like, you don't. Just because I asked to go or I asked you to get the tickets, and, like, I'm not going to just expect that you're going to pay. Like, that's weird to me.

[Kaylin]

Yeah. See, like, I'm. I'm like you like that. And I am a very territory territorial person in a relationship. Not, like out of jealousy, but just like, this is my man. Like, if you want one, go get one. Because why are we acting like this is group boyfriend?

[Lindsay]

Yeah. No, this is not group boyfriend. Unless everybody's drunk. And even then it's designated driver boyfriend. Not everybody's boyfriend.

[Kaylin]

Okay. In a situation where everybody's drunk and my man's the only man that's there. I don't even have a man. Okay, but, like, if I was going to have a man and he was the only one, then yes, for purposes of making sure you're getting home safe or, you know, like, into your Uber or, you know, we're walking you to your car or whatever. Yes, absolutely. In a situation like that. Otherwise, if you think he's paying for your sushi and all your martinis, like, that's my man.

[Lindsay]

Wait. Speaking of sushi, I toured a private school that has sushi sushi for lunch on Wednesdays.

[Kaylin]

I love it.

[Lindsay]

I looked at the director and I.

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Said, can I come here?

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[Kaylin]

So I feel like it's very common practice in private schools, just kind of like piggybacking off of that. For them to have a chef on.

[Lindsay]

Staff, that's really cool, and I wish.

[Kaylin]

We had that when I was in high school.

[Lindsay]

A chef on staff, that is so cool to me.

[Kaylin]

You got to go in. They had, like, I don't know, like, sandwich bars where you can make your own paninis, and then, like, a salad bar with all the toppings, and you could make your salad. And then they had, like, the hot meal option and then, like, cold cuts of s. And I'm like, can we just go back to high school? I don't even have that at my house. And I'm grown, right?

[Lindsay]

I'm like, I need to go back to high school to get a good meal. I sent you and Kristen a screenshot where Louisiana passed a law allowing courts to order castration of sec. Of child sex offenders. How do we feel about this?

[Kaylin]

Well, if we're all going to give our opinions on it, I feel like Kristen's gonna say, an eye for an eye. And you're gonna say, an eye for an eye. And I'm gonna say, I understand that we're, you know, paying tax dollars for people to sit somewhere, but, like, why can't they just, like, sit somewhere and just be miserable?

[Lindsay]

What do you mean?

[Kaylin]

Why do we have to take it as far as, like, castration? You know what I mean?

[Lindsay]

See, I'm. I have the opposite. I'm like, if you hurt a child in that way, I feel like you should absolutely be castrated. And I. I would almost feel like that might be punishment enough. Like, they don't need the jail time if they're being castrated. Only because I think that. That they're literally rehabilitated at that time. I think that their testosterone drops. And so I think. And I don't. I'm not speaking from experience or because I have knowledge. These are all just assumptions. I believe that your testosterone drops at that point. So, like, you're not going to have those urges, I would hope. The problem I see is that, like, from a. Like, you have to be mentally ill to be attracted to small children. I don't know if that attraction goes away. Right. So that's the scary part is, like, the castration might solve the problem of acting on those fantasies, but I think that you're still having them. I don't know that for sure. Or does the testosterone drive the attraction? Would the attraction sort of slowly subside from that point forward? I'm not sure. But this specific article says that last year, Louisiana passed a law that permits judges to sentence individuals convicted of specific crimes to surgical castration. The law, Act 651, applies to convictions for aggravated sex crimes, such as aggravated rape, against victims under 13 years old. This law allows for irreversible surgical removal of sex organs in both male and female offenders. Unlike chemical castration, which suppresses hormone. Okay, so here we go. Unlike chemical castration, which suppresses hormone production without removing organs, this procedure removes testicles in men and ovaries in women. In the court sentences. If the court sentences an offender to be surgically castrated, the procedure is to be done by a licensed physician with the Department of Public Safety and Corrections or providing the services necessary to perform the castration according to Justia law.

[Kaylin]

So you're saying that if it was a male offender, they're losing their balls and they're losing their balls and they're sitting in jail? Yes, I think they should do that. I think that's fine.

[Lindsay]

So I just googled if castration would reduce the libido, and it says, yes, castration significantly reduces libido, the sex drive, because the testicles produce most of the body's testosterone, the primary male sex hormone. Lowering testosterone levels leads to diminished sex drive, though the degree of reduction can vary. So in theory, this would also reduce the. The drive that these people have for. For that and I for that. It's like, from there, you can work on rehabilitation, right? Like, if we're talking about like an actual pedophile. I'm not talking about like the same statutory rate because there are a lot of caveats to that or like nuances. I'm talking about like, just to this point, under, like 13 and under.

[Kaylin]

I just feel like I maybe misunderstood what you were saying. Like, I thought you were saying that they were doing this in lieu of going to jail. And I'm like, no, it. It shouldn't be like one or the other. It should be both.

[Lindsay]

See, I don't. I don't know how I feel about both. I'm not saying that I don't think they should go to prison at all. I'm just saying, like, if they are rehabilitated at that point, like, in theory rehabilitated. They kept. They absolutely lost it. I just. I don't know. Because this says important considerations. Chemical versus surgical castration. Chemical castration uses medical medication to temporary lower testosterone and can be reversed when the medication is stopped. But surgical castration removes the testicles, making the effects on the libido permanent unless hormone replacement therapy is used. But the VAR variability says the extent of libido reduction can vary between individuals. Some men may still experience sexual arousal and behavior, although a reduced level. So I do think it depends. Kristen, why can't they just cut the.

[Kaylin]

Shaft off and that solves the problem?

[Lindsay]

Just cut. Well, they would have to pee. I think just saying a boner and you offended children. You need to stay in prison. I would agree with. It's just interesting. Listen, when it comes to children and changing the. Just like, I actually just read a book called all the Wonder, Ugly and wonderful Things and it is about. There's some sort of like a 23 year old and like a third grader is in the book. I would be really curious to see if people read that book. You and I should do a book club discussion on it. Because of this conversation and the castration. I would be really curious to see what people would say after reading this book specifically and if this is something that would fall under that category that where he should be castrated. I don't know. I. If you hurt a child, I just feel like you should be castrated no matter what. I don't know why we're waiting on bills to do that. You know what I mean? Like, laws to be passed.

[Kaylin]

I mean, I can. I could get behind it. So then what happens? Like, okay, what if, hypothetically, like, does it change the dynamic? If I would have been being born when I was with someone, that would have been Graduating high school and going to college.

[Lindsay]

When did you get with them?

[Kaylin]

30Ish plus years.

[Lindsay]

That's not weird to me.

[Kaylin]

I don't know.

[Lindsay]

It's not weird because you're an adult now. Obviously if he was in your life when you were a child, that would be concerning. And if you guys, that would be weird. But that's why I need you to read this book. Because I was conflicted. Yeah. And it's sort of like that type of situation. Almost like that situation. I don't know.

[Kaylin]

Okay. How long do I have to read this book?

[Lindsay]

As long as you need. But you need to. I'm send you it. I'm going to send you the book right now. It's on. I believe it's on Kindle. You might have to pay for. It's not free. Free on Kindle, but you might. Alessandra was disgusted by it. She read it and she was like, this is an attempt at glamorizing grooming, which I. I see all sides of it. Like, I genuinely see all ends of the spectrum. But when you read it, I told Kristen to read it too. It's a really. It would be a really good book club discussion.

[Kaylin]

Okay, well, I'm gonna read it. I also am reading another book that you had sent me. I'm not that far in because we had a rogue weekend and I thought I was going to be able to read way more than I did. And do you. Do you read like multiple books at the same time? Are you like, I need to finish this one to get to that one.

[Lindsay]

So both I do one on audio, probably one going on my Kindle sometimes at the same time as a physical copy, but definitely always two. Two. There's always a listen and a physical copy, whether it's Kindle or physical. But if, if, for example, I had to finish this book to start another book. Like, I can't if it's a physical copy or on my Kindle, I can only read one at a time on there, so.

[Kaylin]

Okay, well, I'm gonna put this in my queue to start reading and then we'll do a book club on it and discuss. I will be interested to see what people think about the castration or not.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, same. So much.

[Kaylin]

And on that note, we have foul play. Kitty cat foul play.

[Lindsay]

Okay. Oh, Lord, I'm scared of it today.

[Kaylin]

Well, I'm. The first line made me scared.

[Lindsay]

Yep. That d gave me 27 stitches in my V. That's one night my ex and I had some friends over. We all drank a little and Played a board game. The ex and my oldest son's father and I went to our bed and started to mess around. Things were flowing and the process was getting heated. I crawled on top to take a ride. Ladies. I have never really been a fan of climbing on top. Maybe the alcohol helped me bust up the want. I started to lift my hips and come back down on. On his. Oh, wait. I started to lift my hips and come back down when his D slipped out and sliced me from my vagina to the side of my clit. My. At first, both of us didn't realize. I just put it back in and tried to continue. When I felt a sharp pain, he flipped me over and blood was everywhere, all over him and starting to go on the sheets. My friend was still downstairs and was planning to stay the night. I made him yell for her eagle position because I could not see the damage. What the girl. That's what girlfriends are for. I guess she saw the blood and immediately helped me to the hospital. When arriving, I waited in the waiting room with a wash rag held to my vagina. Seeing a guy friend who asked me what I was there for, I said sex sent me here. When finally getting back to a room, the doctors continuously asked me if the sex I had was consensual. To this day, I don't think he believed me. He administered a numbing agent to stitch me up. When the agent was not fully reactive, the needle stitching me, I could feel the worst bit or the first bit. 27 stitches later, I'm traumatized to even ride again. That has been a devastating experience and gives me chills just thinking about the time that D shaped me. This happened to me, but it was not consensual. And I also had to have stitches.

[Kaylin]

27.

[Lindsay]

No, I did not have. I think I had, like. Oh, God, I can't even remember how many. But the. The surgeon. It was the plastics guy that came. It wasn't even a gynecologist. He kept asking me, was this consensual? Was this consensual? And I didn't want to say anything because the guy that did it had a lot of money. And I knew that if I was like, this is not consensual. I just knew the can of worms that I was going to get into it was the most painful. And I think what was even worse, and I can relate to her, was, like, getting stitched up and having to be in the hospital was scarier. And I don't know if she feels the same way, but that was like the Fear of the unknown.

[Kaylin]

Yeah.

[Lindsay]

And I still have a scar right where she's describing.

[Kaylin]

Wait, so was this, like, the sidewalk situation?

[Lindsay]

No, this was another situation, and he actually read it in my book and he texted me and apologized to me. I'm like, that doesn't really. That's not how that works, but.

[Kaylin]

Oh, wow. Okay. So have you ever been having sex and it, like, slips out? It, like, slips out a little bit, and then when they go to put it back in, it hit your butthole?

[Lindsay]

No, I never hits my butthole, but I've had it where, like, it slips out and then it hurts so bad. It hurts both of us because it's like, it, like, doesn't go in, right, and it, like, bends, and then it also hurts my vagina. Have you had that?

[Kaylin]

Oh, yeah. I've also had the butthole one.

[Lindsay]

I've had them accidentally, like, they are looking for the vagina and they find the butthole, and I'm like, that's the wrong hole. Hole, my love. Like, I don't know what's going on.

[Kaylin]

It's like, if I've got to coach you that much, then you shouldn't be down there at all in either hole.

[Lindsay]

And also, I'm curious about your sexuality because at that point, I'm wondering if you preferred the butthole.

[Kaylin]

No. They were trying to find it, and they found it.

[Lindsay]

They found it.

[Kaylin]

I wanted.

[Lindsay]

I was gonna do.

[Kaylin]

That's why that happened, actually. One time I was with somebody that kept wanting to try to do butt stuff, and it just, like, was giving me the vibes that I wasn't feeling it. You know, like, at that point, I was turned off, and Kristen said, lindsay does not give off ass play vibes. In no way, shape, or form. No. I actually had a conversation with somebody the other day, and I'm like, if you think that you're ever going to play with my ass, don't.

[Lindsay]

I am not into butt play whatsoever at all. But I do know someone who told me that didn't matter, and all of a sudden, they're talking about butt play. So, like, I. I know.

[Kaylin]

And a lot of people commented after the last time we talked about, like, briefly talked about buttplay stuff. There was some people on the Facebook group, and, I mean, I was deep in those comments. Okay. And they were like, well, they just haven't had someone play with their butt, like, good enough. And it's like, no, I. Like, first of all, you don't know how good somebody's played with my asshole, okay? And I can just Tell you, I. I would not prefer for anybody to ever play with my ass. The only thing that's going to play with my ass is going to be a tickle from a toilet paper or a wipe.

[Lindsay]

I just. Here's the thing. I'm not judging. I think it's fascinating. I think that because men's G spot is in their butthole, like, I really think they're the only ones that actually can enjoy ass play. They. A lot of them will not admit it. They won't try it. They're scared. They think it makes them gay, which I think is not the case. But also, our G spot is not in our buttholes. Like, we don't really have some, like, yeah, lots of nerve endings. I've done anal. There's nothing pleasurable about it.

[Kaylin]

Yeah, the nerve endings are so unnerving. And the asshole that, like, don't go there.

[Lindsay]

I have a hard enough time shitting. It's an exit only.

[Kaylin]

It is, it is. It's like, why are we. Why are we playing in a dumpster fire when you could be playing in gold? You know? Like, it doesn't make sense to me. And it's also like, if you can get me off in two ways in the vagina, like, why are we even exploring downstairs?

[Lindsay]

No, I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[Kaylin]

Like, your fantasy is not going to be fulfilled here.

[Lindsay]

No. At all.

[Kaylin]

And this is what people are going to say. That's why you all get cheated on. Okay, well, no, if he wants to play with ass, then I'm the wrong. I was the wrong one from the jump.

[Lindsay]

1,000%, you know?

[Kaylin]

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[Lindsay]

See ya.

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