Have Some Couth!

Summary

Coffee Convos Podcast: "Have Some Couth!"

Hosts: Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley
Date: November 13, 2025
Podcast: Coffee Convos by PodcastOne

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Episode Overview

This episode, titled "Have Some Couth!", sees reality stars and close friends Kail Lowry (Teen Mom) and Lindsie Chrisley (Chrisley Knows Best) dive into their usual blend of candid conversation about life as mothers, women in the public eye, and humans navigating consumerism, relationships, holiday chaos, boundaries, and taboo topics. The episode is marked by its unfiltered, often hilarious, back-and-forth and insights informed by their unique experiences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Consumerism and Fast-Tracking Seasons

(Starts ~01:55)

• Kail and Lindsie rant about stores and social media skipping over Thanksgiving and jumping headfirst from Halloween into Christmas.
  • Kail: “I am really sick and tired of going to the store and seeing another holiday when the first holiday didn’t pass.” (02:07)
  • Both share frustrations about feeling pressured to keep up with others' decorations or holiday shopping sprees.
  • Lindsie: Relates being a "Grinch" and not wanting to engage with holidays at all.
• Discussion on influencers accelerating the cycle by promoting holiday products earlier.
  • Kail: "Influencers...are putting all this stuff up early so people can get it, you know?" (04:21)

2. Parenting & Buying for Kids

(05:04)

• Lindsie struggles with saying no to her kids’ wants versus needs—like jeans or cleats.
  • Lindsie: “I don’t know how to say no to my children.” (05:04)
  • Kail: Observes the pressure to buy, "Did the kids need new cleats? Not really, but I’m gonna buy them anyway because they want them. And that’s not okay either." (06:06)
• Brief exchange about whether giving clothing as a present resonates with all kids.

3. Social Media, Opinions & the Jenner Discussion

(07:07 – 11:22)

• Viral Kendall Jenner clip: “I love her, she’s my dad,” referencing Caitlyn Jenner.
  • Lindsie: Dissects outrage over the quote. “Are we really normalizing saying, ‘she’s my dad’… I can’t wrap my head around people caring that much when it does not affect them.” (08:02)
  • Kail: Reflects on how social media encourages everyone to have (and share) an opinion. "There are some things you just do not need to have an opinion on. That would be one of them.” (09:15)
• Both agree public figures face outsized scrutiny, something they empathize with.

4. Motherhood, 'Couth,' and Raising Kids with Manners (and Tolerance for Grossness)

(11:47 – 16:55)

• Kail’s hilarious car story about her son’s “marinating farts” and making him run as punishment.
  • Kail: “You will not fart on me in my vehicle… I am raising somebody’s husband one day… If you think that I’m going to subject some poor, innocent person [to that]…” (13:07)
• Lindsie talks about parenting hacks, like scaring her son into washing properly, and the wish for kids to "have some couth"—manners and social skills.
• Both touch on the discomfort and awkwardness of bodily functions and parenting teens into responsible adults.

5. Sleeping Habits & Relationship Boundaries

(18:04 – 21:31)

• Conversation veers into sleepwear in relationships, comfort, and the practicality of PJs vs. sleeping naked.
  • Kail: “If my house caught on fire and I’m naked, I’m going out naked.” (20:22)
  • Lindsie: Talks about dealing with kids bringing crumbs into bed; “Crumbs is…one hill that I’m gonna die on...” (21:31)

6. Wearable Tech & Self-Tracking

(21:48 – 26:55)

• Amusing confusion and schooling about Apple Watch data/electronic plan/capabilities (Kail knows, Lindsie’s clueless).
  • Lindsie: “I thought I bought it at the store and that’s it.” (22:51)
• Comparing step-counting, activity, and fall-off of bike riding habits after an initial burst of enthusiasm.

7. Maintaining Independence & Need for Space

(29:05 – 30:06)

• Kail’s discomfort at being reliant while away from home; considers buying a scooter for mobility.
• Brief segment on the logistics of being between homes and the emotional/mental toll.

8. Birds vs. Windows: Suburban Woes

(30:06 – 31:43)

• Kail discusses finding dead birds at her house—birds flying into glass doors—and seeks outlandish suggestions (Lindsie: "Try Saran Wrap").
  • Kail sums up: “No, I’m definitely not doing that, because then that affects my view.” (31:11)

9. Hyperbaric Chamber & Multitasking in Self Care

(34:41 – 37:18)

• Kail brings up Paris Hilton’s claim that she owes her looks to time in a hyperbaric chamber—not fillers.
• Both reflect on time management and “multitasking” during self-care, underscoring modern life’s demand for productivity even in supposed downtime.
  • Kail: “If I was doing…sauna…while productively getting something else done…Because it seems so time consuming…” (36:11)

10. Relationship Capacity, Boundaries, and Communication Style

(37:27 – 47:12)

• Questioning the idea humans can maintain 200 relationships; both are skeptical.
  • Lindsie: “We, as humans, only have the capacity to maintain up to 200 relationships? ... I already have nine in my own household.” (38:26)
  • Kail: “There’s maybe five people that I maintain a relationship with, like, in totality.” (40:00)
• Discussion of gradients of relationships: work vs. personal, transactional vs. deep, high-maintenance vs. easy, and the legitimacy of "cutting off" draining connections.
• Both express preference for deep, meaningful relationships over surface-level small talk and clarify that lack of contact doesn’t equal lack of care.
  • Lindsie: “I hate surface level conversations. I don’t want to fill the silence with small talk.” (43:59)
• Modern texting culture: preference for not texting all day—wanting to save conversation for in-person moments.

11. Tech, Constant Contact, and Generational Shifts

(47:43 – 54:20)

• Both agree that constant connectivity (phones, Snapchat, texting, even for kids) adds to overconsumption, reduces boundaries, and can harm the value of in-person interaction.
  • Kail: “...the extreme access that these kids today feel like they need to have with everyone...I liked it back in the time when he did not have a cell phone.” (44:44)

12. "Am I The A-hole" Listener Submission: Grandma & Toy Overload

(54:20 – 59:05)

• Listener frustrated: MIL showers only grandchild with toys, teaching transactional love and creating friction in the family.
  • Lindsie: “My problem...would be less about the toys and more about the lies and manipulation...no, I don’t think you’re the a--hole.” (55:42)
  • Kail: “That relationship is teaching the child to have transactional relationships.” (56:26)
• Suggest alternative: grandmother can gift to savings instead.
• Both hosts admit to wanting to spoil their own nieces/nephews or kids but caution about the relational precedent set by constant gifts.

13. Foul Play: Sex Toy Mishap & Taboos in the Bedroom

(60:40 – 64:10)

• Listener’s embarrassing bedroom story involving a “bullet” sex toy, some alcohol, and a near-ER visit.
• Lindsie and Kail share personal (and awkward) experiences and reflect on the overrated nature of certain sex acts.
  • Lindsie: “Some people love anal…They claim. I don’t know that I believe them. I want to give somebody a lie detector test who says they love anal sex.” (62:58)
• Both question the appeal of certain activities (thumb in the butt, anyone?).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I'm just not with the fakery anymore.”
  — Kail Lowry (01:16), fittingly setting the no-filter tone.
• “As a parent...the relationship that is being created with the mother-in-law is teaching the child to have transactional relationships.”
  — Kail Lowry (56:26)
• “Are we really normalizing saying, ‘she’s my dad’? ...I can’t wrap my head around people caring that much when it does not affect them.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (08:02)
• “I hate surface level conversations. I don’t want to fill the silence with small talk. It’s not where I don’t have. I don’t even want to listen to music anymore because I just need silence...”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (43:59)
• “You will not fart on me in my vehicle. ...I am raising somebody’s husband one day...”
  — Kail Lowry (13:07)
• “If my house caught on fire and I’m naked, I’m going out naked.”
  — Kail Lowry (20:22)
• “It's better out and feel the shame than in and feel the pain.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (16:42)
• “We, as humans, only have the capacity to maintain up to 200 relationships? ...I already have nine in my own household.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (38:26)
• “Some people love anal…They claim. I don’t know that I believe them. I want to give somebody a lie detector test who says they love anal sex.”
  — Lindsie Chrisley (62:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Holiday Rant & Consumerism: 01:55 – 07:07
• Parenting, Wants & Needs: 05:04 – 07:07
• Kendall/Caitlyn Jenner & Internet Outrage: 07:19 – 11:22
• Raising Kids with ‘Couth’: 11:47 – 16:55
• Sleeping Naked, Relationships & Fires: 18:04 – 21:31
• Wearables, Step Counting & Bike Rants: 21:48 – 29:05
• Birds vs. Windows: 30:06 – 31:43
• Self-Care & Time Management: 34:41 – 37:18
• Relationship Capacity & Boundaries: 37:27 – 47:12
• Tech, Contact, and Overconsumption: 47:43 – 54:20
• Listener Submission: Toy-Giving Grandmother: 54:20 – 59:05
• Foul Play: Sex Toy Mishap: 60:40 – 64:10

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Conclusion

This episode blends relatable “mom life” struggles, sharp observations on modern culture and relationships, and a humorous finish with their signature "foul play" story. Kail and Lindsie’s dynamic remains open-hearted, irreverent, and honest—always championing boundaries and authenticity over keeping up appearances.

Recommended for: Listeners who enjoy real talk about motherhood, modern relationships, pop culture hot takes, and unfiltered humor about both everyday and TMI topics.

Transcript

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kale, that does not interest me whatsoever.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Kale Lowry]

Here's Kaylin. Lindsay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Good morning. I. I'm here.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm here. I'm ready. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. I look road hard and put up wet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You look cute. Like, you look out effortlessly, like, put together. Like, you know how, like that little bit of like. What is the word? Tousled. Tousled. Yeah. Like, you look like, cute. Wait, there. There's a couple things that I need to talk to you about.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, well, there's a bone that I need to pick with the entire nation.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, okay. I thought you're gonna say with me. And I'm like, I. I don't have the capacity right now, but if it's the entire nation, I do want to hear this.

[Kale Lowry]

It's the entire fucking nation. I am really sick and tired of going to the store and seeing another holiday when the first holiday didn't pass.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Lindsay, that's been going on for all of time. So, like, I know.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm just saying, like, as a consumer and an adult, I probably liked it whenever I was a kid. But I'm sorry, like, when it's Halloween and you see Christmas stuff and they've completely missed Thanksgiving. Like, I need to see like fall foliage stuff. Like, I don't need to see Christmas trees and why am I logging online? Which I don't really, like, do that much anymore. But, like, why am I going on Instagram and seeing people already having Christmas trees up? And it was Halloween.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I did notice that a lot more people and maybe I just wasn't paying attention in the past. More and more people are taking their Halloween stuff down on November 1st and immediately decorating for Christmas, which, whatever, I don't give a. I don't want to see any of it, to be honest. I'm a Grinch, as you guys all know. Like, don't bother me about the holidays. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to participate.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm upset when I tell you my neighbors, they're just like, next level. They had all the Halloween decorations out. Like, we went from full blown, like 8 foot skellies to now we have fall stuff out the next day. And like, I don't know when they did it. I swear to you, I left my house on freaking Halloween and I came home and it was like fall blew up at their house. Like, were they doing this in the middle of the night? Like, when did this happen?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So when we went to Disney last year and we went over, like we went for Halloween and then when we Woke up on November 1, Disney did the whole transition from Halloween to Christmas, I'm assuming overnight. And that was really cool to see. I just like, in Kale's Grinch mess, I. I like to know that other people are doing that and it's not. It has nothing to do with me. But like, whatever. Like I will say though, I do think social media is making it worse.

[Kale Lowry]

Social media is definitely making it worse. And I do think that a lot of, like, the influencers who are like linking all of the shit to buy, they're putting all this stuff up early so people can get it, you know? So I do understand, like, the mindset behind that. It's just, why do I need to see a Christmas tree and twinkling lights in my living room in November?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

To each their own. Kristin said. Welcome to consumerism. And I'm gonna go ahead and reintroduce no buy November except for one pair of Lululemons. That's it.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you bought anything yet in November? Because I feel like you have.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, but I. Here's the thing, and I'm struggling with this. This is definitely a first world problem and it Might be a nice problem for some people, but for me it's not. I don't know how to say no to my children.

[Kale Lowry]

You know, that's a really hard thing for me to do as well. I saw like a meme the other day, and it was like, we have approached the time of year where it's like, put it on your Christmas list. I don't really know how I feel about that because, I mean, I'm being asked for like a $25 Roblox card, you know? So it's like, are we waiting for the stocking to do that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See, Creed asked me yesterday when I dropped him off at school if I could buy him jeans and long sleeve shirts.

[Kale Lowry]

And it's like, okay, so are we the parents that give clothes for Christmas? Because I was a kid who received clothes for Christmas and I loved it. I think that's more like a girl thing. Jackson would probably lose his if he got clothes for Christmas. He's like, where's the toys?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't do Christmas gifts, so that doesn't apply here. It's more so like you have pants and long sleeve shirts, but you want new ones, you don't need them. So when you're asking me if I'm buying anything, it's like, did the kids need new cleats? Not really, but I'm gonna buy them anyway because they want them. And that's not okay either. So I'm like, I need to find a happy medium because I don't do Christmas. So it's not like I can say, go put it on your Christmas list. But then also, you don't necessarily need the shit anyways. So it's like, do I need to get it? It's just like healing an inner child. Kale. I don't fudgeing know.

[Kale Lowry]

I just need to get back to, like, the consumerism thing because I can't get over it. Like, why did I feel peer pressure to throw away, like, all my pumpkins and, like, take down, like, signage at my house that looked too, like, pumpkiny because everybody else doesn't have it anymore.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I have to show you this video that went viral unrelated to Christmas, unrelated to consumerism, but that is, I put on my list to talk to you about.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, is this Jenner?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Caitlyn Jenner, but it's not the Kris and Caitlyn conversation. It's what Kendall Jenner says that people are so upset about. And I want to dissect it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

House.

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Even if the fire is at the.

[Kale Lowry]

Bottom of the Hill. Oh, what are you gonna do, sit.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

There with the hose?

[Kale Lowry]

Never mind. Don't answer that. I already know the answer. Yeah, you are.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

My house is not gonna burn.

[Kale Lowry]

I have to compartmentalize my relationship with my dad in a way because I love her. She's my dad. Like, we have a good relationship, but sometimes I get frustrated with her with certain things because we just have completely different views on things. I'm not leaving my house.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Even if so in this clip, Kendall Jenner says, I love her, she's my dad. Okay, Bruce Jenner becoming Caitlyn Jenner. I don't give a fuck. I really don't. It has nothing to do with me. I don't care if she likes men. I don't care if she likes women. I don't care if she identifies as Tom, Dick or Harry or Bruce or Caitlyn. I don't give a. People are ripping them to shreds in this, in the comments because they're saying, she's my dad, I love her. Are we really normalizing saying, she's my dad, I love her? I can't wrap my head around people caring that much when it does not affect them. And like at the end of the day, gender roles and genders themselves are like social constructs. And I like truly don't give one single. But people are like ripping them to shreds. A woman cannot be your dad. He is your dad. When you think you've heard everything, quote, she's my dad. What a crazy world we live in. He is your dad, not she. All these people confused. But like, I like, I don't understand why everyone is just upset about this. This has nothing to do with you. This has nothing to do with your family or how it, like, what is the problem?

[Kale Lowry]

I think the problem is, is that everybody has been made to think because of social media that they need to have an opinion about everything. And there are some things that you just do not need to have an opinion on. And that would be one of them. People do not have any idea what went on behind closed doors with that family and how they have processed that entire situation. And two things can be true. Bruce transitioned to Caitlin and regardless, that is still those girls dad.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just find it so fascinating that we really care so deeply about things that do not impact our day to day lives whatsoever. And in fact, you could unfollow all of the Jenners and all of the Kardashians and never look at their content ever again. And you could go on about your life without having these like really like emotionally charged opinions.

[Kale Lowry]

But I think that the part that we're missing here is that the. I would say the majority of people are the people who have either followed them or they just. Regardless if they're following them for good reason or not, they're trolling on the Internet. We can have the perspective that we have because. Not in the same way, but have dealt with public scrutiny too.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, 1,000%.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, that we have the, the thoughts of. We see comments that come to us and we're like, why would somebody care? Like, why would. And so we don't care about what other people are doing because we don't want people to necessarily care about what we're doing. But at the same time it's like, care, but like, please don't care.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But also not so much that it affects your day to day.

[Kale Lowry]

Right?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I feel like that's a happy medium. Medium care. Care enough. But not so much that it's.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know, it's like people are riding so hard. I just looked at what you sent me and people are writing so hard on their commitments to that clip. It's like maybe put that energy into something that you're doing in your personal life and be less focused on what somebody else is doing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just don't get it. That was my bag. That was my butt. I didn't fart. I just kicked something in my bag.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, probably farted. Remember when you farted?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I never. Lindsay, I'm so glad that you brought that up. Like, you know what, it wouldn't be a coffee combo's anniversary time frame if you didn't bring that up. Remember the time you also admitted that you made it up and I never farted in the closet? Do you remember that?

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I don't like burps, farts, like none of that stuff. I understand. It's like a normal human thing. Like we all do it. I get it. My 12 year old child getting in the car and waiting until he gets in the car and I am in a trapped vehicle. And now it's cold enough to where we need to run the heat and the seat heaters are on. And now your fart is fucking marinating in my seat. No. So I told Jackson when we left basketball practice, he has, you know, been running around for a solid hour playing basketball. And it's like, did your farts not come out when you were doing that? Like, why did you wait until you got into my Bronco with a seat. Heater. Heater on and then yourself like, why is that happening? Okay, So I told him. I was like, hey, if you do that again and you fart on me, then you're getting out of the car and you're walking. So of course a couple minutes go by, I start smelling a heat marinating fart. So I pull over on the side of the road, put my flashers on and I go, get out. Get out. I drove all the way from one red light to another, probably like quarter of a mile. I made him, I had my flashers on and I was driving slow, making him run down the road. And I said, you will not fart on me in my vehicle. Like, it is so rude. And ultimately like I'm raising somebody's husband one day and if you think that I'm going to subject some poor innocent person to you just thinking it's normal to rip ass with a seat heater on, like, no, I love that because.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know what? Here's the thing. If they, if you, if you are farting and they don't stink, it's not horrible, right? I've told you this before. I know which kid farted. Like, I know a Creed fart and I know brand.

[Kale Lowry]

Like you know the smell 1000%.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so that is. I love that you made him get out because it's giving. When I lied to Creed and told him if he doesn't wash his butt with a. With a washcloth and worms will come.

[Kale Lowry]

Out of his butt, right? And so I am now like on this path of. You're. You're nearing 13 years old, okay? And eventually you will have a girlfriend. And it's probably coming sooner than what I want to believe. Okay? Why would you think it's normal to sit in a car and blow this thing up and everybody has to smell it because you have no control of your bowels? Okay? That pisses me off. Really pisses me off. Yes, you do need to have some couth. So now I have just gone on a tear where I'm like, okay, eventually you're going to have a wife one day. So can you wash the toothpaste out of the sink? Because that's something that you guys might get in a fight over. You know, hang up your towel. Don't leave your dirty drawers like laying around your bedroom.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just text. The text says it's better out and feel the shame than in and feel the pain.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I want you to feel the pain because I don't want to smell what's coming out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I will tell you that the other night I woke up in the middle of the night. I don't fart during the day. Like, I just don't. I will fart in my sleep and I don't want to know about it, okay? I just. That's just the way that I operate. So in the middle of the night, I woke up and I felt the gas bubbles in my stomach. Like, I felt them expanding and I was in so much pain and I just didn't fart and I just went back to sleep. And I wish that I could fart regularly.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay? So one time, it was like one of my last vacation. It actually was my last vacation with Will. And I think it was the point that I just didn't care anymore. You know, it was like giving. I don't give a shit. Literally just riding down the road in his truck, and I'm sleeping and just farting, and I'm like, why am I doing that? Like. Like waking myself up. Okay. Like, just riding.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

New relationship. And you wake yourself up from a fart in your sleep?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. And it's like, what happened?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, no.

[Kale Lowry]

Ever know here?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. You don't? I don't know how we get there. We just do.

[Kale Lowry]

So can you. Can we dive deeper into. Like, you don't fart in the day, but you fart at night? Like, that's not normal.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

No. Like, what are you doing holding in your farts all day? So then you just have to rip ass when you go to bed?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I really don't have to fart during the day.

[Kale Lowry]

So you feel like your farts are on a scheduled situation?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

They're like, oh, it's night now. I can do it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. It's like my subconscious mind, like, lets me do it while I'm sleeping. And what I don't. What I don't know won't hurt me. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, but I need to tell you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Some troll sleep with clothes on, though.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, depends. Like, if Jackson's home on the days that I have him, I sleep with PJs if he's not naked.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So when you get into a new relationship and you are about to sleep in the same bed for the first time, are you sleeping naked with them on the first time?

[Kale Lowry]

Probably. Because if I've made it to the point that I would be sleeping with them at all, then, yeah, take me as I am. Yeah. Just this is what it is. Like, I'm not trying to be wrapped up into some pair of pajamas that are twisted and uncomfortable.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, that's fair. I could get behind it.

[Kale Lowry]

But it's crazy because I was so against the, like, naked sleepers whenever I was married. Actually had this conversation with Will not too long ago. He's like, at what point of your life did you start sleeping naked? And I'm like, I don't know. At the point that I realized it was more comfortable because I did it one time, and then I was like, okay, yeah, like, I see the thrill, you know? Like, I get it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. I could see that.

[Kale Lowry]

My argument when we were married was Jackson would always come into our room at night. So if I needed to get up, I never failed. It would always be my side of the bed, and I. I wanted to put him in the bed, and I'M butt ass naked. You know, kind of not appropriate. So I would sleep with PJs on. Also, one of my arguments was if the house caught on fire and you needed to get out, like, what are the naked sleepers doing?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's a great question, actually. But I guess clothes are by your bed and on the floor. But, like, before you hop into bed, maybe you just grab them and go kind of deal.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but I'm sorry, I just hate to tell you that if my house caught on fire and I'm naked, I'm going out naked. Like, I'm not worried about trying to fiddle around to put on a pair of pajama pants.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, at that point, I'm like, taking them and running. You know what I mean? Like, I gotta just do my. Could you. First of all, picturing me running in and of itself is like a nightmare. For someone to see me trying to, like, get my clothes on while running would be an Olympic whole production.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, so do your kids sleep naked?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. Everybody sleeps with clothes on except you. No, I sleep with clothes on, too.

[Kale Lowry]

There is nothing. There is no better feeling. Like taking a good, hot. Like, hot girl shower and washing all of the crevices and shit. Putting on some very thick lotion, Doing your skin care and hopping in those clean sheets with no clothes on.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I can honestly say that for the past three weeks, my sheets have been covered in crumbs because the twins and Rio bring snacks into my bed. And then I'm. I'm like, fighting for my life.

[Kale Lowry]

Crumbs is like one hill that I'm gonna die on that I will kill somebody. Like, you put crumbs in my bed and now they're in my ass crack because they were a part of my sheets. No. Like, no.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Also, really quickly, how's your Apple watch situation going?

[Kale Lowry]

Hadn't worn it in, like, two months.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. Because I remember a couple months ago we were having a conversation about being Apple watch wearers again.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I actually thought about it yesterday because I was cleaning out my car and it was just like, hanging out in the back of my car. For what reason? I have no idea. I mean, you are just. You really are loving the prints.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I got this on a. In a 10 pack on Amazon and it's like, all different prints.

[Kale Lowry]

Did you match that specifically to your shirt today?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, actually, I didn't. I didn't mean to do that at all.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know, it's just like a hassle kind of. Like, I feel like that's one of the things that you have to like, train yourself to do, like, as part of your daily routine, you know, like log your, your phone up at night, you plug your Apple Watch up, you take a shower, you get both of those things off of your bedside table. I just not have not arrived at that point yet. And I, I need to do it because I'm paying for the plan for the Apple Watch. You know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, do I pay for this?

[Kale Lowry]

Do you think you're wearing that free?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I thought I bought it at the store and that's it.

[Kale Lowry]

No, you probably did buy the Apple Watch at the store. But like, does it have service?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, how do I know if it has service?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, do you get calls on it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. Call me.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, my God. Are you freaking kidding me right now?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't think I pay for this kill.

[Kale Lowry]

Then who does?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think this just is like, you buy it and then, you know. My watch is ringing. Let me see if I can answer it. Hello? Oh, sure can.

[Kale Lowry]

So.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I don't think it's. I think it's like a wi fi, Bluetooth situation. You, like, add it to your plan.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, you have it completely. That Apple watch has a different line and it syncs, I'm pretty sure, to like your main line and then you can get calls on that. Like, is yours. The Apple Watch where you can like have your phone at home and you'll be like out and about. You go into the store or something and your phone. Your watch still rings?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't think so.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, Kristen is saying that it's a line on your cell plan and it is a line. So. So yes, you have those capabilities. So I'm just very concerned like what you're wearing the Apple Watch for. If you didn't know that you. Number one, we're paying for an additional line. And number two, like, what are you using it for?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm using it to track my rings. I want to know if I'm steps in during the day.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so you should have a Fitbit.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm not using a Fitbit. I don't want to plug something up every night to like, check on the. No, like, this is fine because I just like slap it on the charger. But like, I can look at my rings every day on a Fitbit. I don't think you can see it. I think you have to plug it up to like, see it.

[Kale Lowry]

You don't said. Did you take an edible?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like an edible. But I'm a. I'm a tired right now.

[Kale Lowry]

Like so you think that people are just strolling around this world wearing a Fitbit and they can't see like the amount of steps like, on their thing unless they plug it in?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think when Fitbits first came out, that's how it was.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, because I don't think that they had like a screen or whatever when they first came out, so. Yes, but I mean, we're circa almost 2026, honey. Like, we're way past those times.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, on my. They have, they collabed with Nike, so this like, little background has Nike and I have like the weather on here. And then like, if I click on my rings, I can see where I'm at all the time. Like, all the time. Like, I can see my days. So I'm like, just like, I want to see the days.

[Kale Lowry]

What do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, out Productions.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, you mean like your rings? Like, throughout the days?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, yeah, like my. How many steps did I get in today versus yesterday? How many things do I have going on at one time?

[Kale Lowry]

So wait, what is your step goal for the day? Like every day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So my step count. What is D? What is dw? My day, week, month, year. Okay, so weak. I got virtually nothing in yesterday. Oh, I got a lot more in yesterday than I did today. But, like, I'm nowhere where I need to be because everything I do is mostly sedentary and I haven't really been getting on my bicycle, so I need to do better.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, like you have like a two wheel bike?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I went to Dick's and I purchased a bicycle.

[Kale Lowry]

For what? Like, where are you going?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Lindsey? I've been on really good bike rides.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, wait, are you the person that has the bike rack on your car?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, but if I did, you would catch me riding dirty all over this bitch.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I always see cars that have the bike racks on them and I'm like, that seems excessive. Like, I love it for them, but it just like seems like a lot work.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I haven't been able to get on a bike ride lately and it sucks. But listen, get your Apple watch back into your life so that we can share activity with each other. Because you can invite a friend to like, see each other's stuff.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, what is Kristen doing? What is happening? Wait, this is you on.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I've been ready. I got a bike, bro. I got a bike. Who the do I think I am? Honestly, my legs are hurting more than worse than I thought. Oh, I'm running over horse poop. Brand new bike went through the poop. This is day two of bike riding. I also have my period, so it's not a great time. And my butt hurts from yesterday. I need to order a second seat. Like a cushion or something. Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

What are those shoes?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Post bike ride, day two. Okay. Got a new seat for this. Oh, my God, that one was hard.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, wait. So at what point of your life did you wake up and you were like, I need to go to Dick's and buy a bike.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I made that my whole personality for like a month.

[Kale Lowry]

So wait, it lasted past day two?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

That's the only content that we have of you successfully riding a bike.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I. It lasted a little bit longer than that. But what had happened was I started flying all over the country and so we got out of the routine. So I just need to get back in the routine because I don't think it's going to snow here anytime soon. So, like, there's no reason why I can't put, like a beanie on.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then just ride dirty on the bike. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

You know, I kind of love that for you. I think 10,000 steps is like the average.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, about 1500 yesterday. So anyways, Lindsay, when you come to Delaware, you can borrow my bike.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I need some mode of transportation. I need to talk to you about this. So do I need to, like, buy like a motorized scooter or something and leave it there? Because I just don't feel comfortable not being able to go anywhere. You feel like you're a hostage. Like when you go somewhere and you're there for days and you don't have a vehicle to, like, get around or like, any means to do anything, and you're just so reliant on, like, doordash and like ubereats, and you never see the outside of the walls. Like, what do you do in situations like that? I'm basically becoming a dual resident.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, okay. Okay, cool. Well, we have, like, lots of tax breaks here, so that'll be good.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I mean, I won't be spending enough time to be able to get any type of tax breaks, like, legally. You know what I mean? Oh, wait, I do have to ask you at your house, so, like, birds fly into your windows and kill themselves?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I have never experienced a bird flying into my home windows and dying and killing itself. I don't think that I could. I honestly don't think that's ever happened to me.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I would have on some days to myself, but I can't say that any birds have done it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. So I find dead birds at my house all the time, like, on my back porch. And here's the problem that I'm experiencing. They fly into my. My glass, like, sliding glass doors. Okay? And it's almost like. And it's on my patio. And I don't know if they're taking shits, like, while they're doing it. Like, they're. They're shitting and then flying and then shitting and then flying. But it's causing a major disruption to my decor outside. But also, I don't want birds just, like, unnecessarily dying. Like, why are you doing this to yourself? And I'm sure it's because they see their reflection, like, in the thing, so they think that it's like another bird, which, you know, is, like, all good and fine, but. But how do we stop this?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You screen in your patio.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I'm definitely not doing that, because then that affects my view. So. And that's also another expense that I'm just, like, not willing to splurge on, you know, screened in anything. So, like, how do we get the birds to stop doing that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Try Saran Wrap.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, what? What am I Saran wrapping around your patio?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If you don't want to pay for the screening, just put Saran Wrap.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you know how awful that will look? You wouldn't do that, so why would you tell me to do that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

Saw this interview that Pierce Hilton was doing the other day and she was talking about how she lays in a hyperbaric chamber like for hours out of the day and she has learned to become a multitasker like while she's doing said hyperbaric chamber hanging out. And I would love to do that. She claims that she's never had any like filler, Botox, anything. She's just like a Hyperbaric chamber, girly. And I'm like, okay, I could, like, really get behind the movement of hyperbaric chamber. My problem is, is that saunas and hyperbaric chambers are so timec consuming. Like, what the are we doing in there? Reading our Kindle?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I'm wondering. I don't know what a hyperbaric chamber is, but for a sauna, I don't know if a Kindle would survive in there. I'm not entirely sure. But I. I think you could listen to, like, an audiobook maybe. Here's the thing, people and this trying to follow the bouncing ball here because I get. I do get frustrated because I feel like people are like, oh, how do you have this much time to read? How do you have this much time? How do you have this much time? We are scrolling on our phone so much. We are watching so much TV. If you literally replace 30 minutes of scrolling with 30 minutes in a sauna or 30 minutes in the gym, like, maybe not the gym, because that's. That is actually unrealistic. 30 minutes reading 30 minutes in a sauna, 30 minutes in the bath, like, that is more realistic to me. And so I just feel like we could scroll on our phone in the sauna. You could read the Kindle in the sauna.

[Kale Lowry]

I. The only way I could justify, like, sauna sitting on a. A daily or weekly basis is if I was, like, multitasking. So if I was doing some. If I was productively getting something else done while I was doing that, because it seems so time consuming that, like, I would feel just like. Like hump a lump. Like, why am I wasting, like, one hour sitting in a sauna and I got nothing else done? Like, I need to have phone conversations. I need to talk shit. I need to order stuff. I need to possibly do my grocery shopping for curbside pickup. I need to do all of this while I'm also doing that hour trying to prevent myself from having cancer. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't justify. Like, if I go to the gym, for example, I can't do this at Pilates because it's like, no phone policy in there. Okay? So the hour is literally the hour. And I'm just doing Pilates. Whatever. I've become accustomed to it. If I go to the regular gym, then I'm gonna need to do, like, the bike. And I'm gonna need to be reading while I'm on the bike. Or I'm gonna be on a phone conversation for people that I've ignored for like, five days.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is Kristen one of them ignored her?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Do we think. Speaking of ignoring, do we think that that's, like, a trauma response? Kristen goes, wow. Bye.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. I think. Because I do wonder. Like, I do ignore people, not on purpose, but, like, I do let messages go unread and not respond. And I. By unread, I mean I read it and didn't respond. Unrespons, unreplied to. I don't think it's a trauma response so much as a capacity response. I do not have the capacity for this right now. I read it. I forgot to reply. It's not that important to me. And that's unfortunate because the other person is probably just looking for a connection. But this goes back to a conversation I feel like I had with you, like, probably a year ago. At this point, we only have the capacity to meet.

[Kale Lowry]

Remember, it was January of. Of this year.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, really?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Start of the new year.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, have. We, as humans only have the capacity to maintain up to 200 relationships? And as a human being, I already have nine in my own household, so I'm not responding. It's not because I don't care. It's not because I don't love you. It's just that I do not have the capacity.

[Kale Lowry]

No, ma'. Am. What human is maintaining 200 relationships? I'm gonna venture out and say, nobody that's listening to this podcast and nobody that's talking on this podcast has 200 relationships that they are maintaining and describe maintenance. Because there is no way by person.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think Becky is somebody that I think of often when it comes to relationships is, like, she puts her all into almost every relationship she has. Like. Like, her wife, obviously, her son, all of her family, all of her friends. Like, she has, like, very, very deep connections with all the people in her life. And I wish that I was like that. But a lot of people that I genuinely care about, like, innately, deeply care about have become very surface level because I don't have the capacity to, like, really maintain anything deeper than surface level. And it sucks. But it's also, like, I'm only one person, and I already have seven people in my, like, seven children, plus all their dads. You know what I mean? Plus, like, you and Becky and Kristen and my. I have, like, employees and my. You know, I don't know, but I would say that there are people that have 200 relationships that they're maintaining.

[Kale Lowry]

That's just insane to me. That number seems very wild. There's Probably. And Kristen can maybe correct me if I'm wrong. There's maybe five people that like, I maintain a relationship with, like, in totality.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But see, I don't know if we're looking at it the same way because, like, think about somebody in. I feel like that's accurate. And then you disappear. I think about people who work in corporate. There's five to 10 people within their job that they have to have like connections with day to day, outside of work, but related to work. And so you're maintaining that connection. And then your familial connections and then your friendships and then your teach, your kids, teachers, you have to remain. You have to maintain some level of conversation and open communication with them. So it's like, it's, it's not necessarily a relationship.

[Kale Lowry]

And like, maybe we're looking at it completely different because I'm like, that's a, that's a requirement. Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, but for us, you and I, our work relationships are also our friends. And so that is really difficult too because it's like Kristen just responded and said work connections are maintained by work that's like automated. But I would beg to differ because Kristen is a real friend of mine and also works with me. Alessandra is an actual friend of mine and works with me. Kayla is a real friend and actually works with me. So it's like, it sounds good, but like, these are real connections I have to maintain. And then I have relationships with Corey, which is Kristen's husband, and I have a relationship with like Becky, but I also am friends with her wife. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's like they're it. The levels of the maintaining are different, but they're still 200.

[Kale Lowry]

But I think where we're on completely different playing fields about this is like, legitimately, when I tell you Kristen says that she believes it's accurate. And then I disappear like five people.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So how would I guess, how would you classify. We'll say a relationship with Jackson's teacher. Like, how often would you do you talk to Jackson's teacher?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I have like, great care for his teachers. Like, they're educating him and he's with them for such a long period of the day. Right. But it's also transactional. Like you're his teacher and I'm his mom. So it's like they communicate what they need to communicate and I'm responsive to whatever the communication is. But then I like, move on about my day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So you don't consider that one of like, what would be the 200.

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So it's up to 200. And then in addition to that is like other relation. I just don't like. I'm thinking about one person in particular and I'm like, okay, I have cared for this person, I have shared information with this person. But like, if she texted me today, I'm not responding. I probably won't respond for. I probably won't ever respond again, to be honest.

[Kale Lowry]

Is it because the, the connection just like fizzled out or you just like don't like that person?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It feels like a relationship that I have to, what is it? High maintenance? A high maintenance relationship that I don't have the capacity for?

[Kale Lowry]

It's just interesting. Like phases of our life require different types of relationships, right? And so where you might have had the capacity for that relationship at one point, you no longer hold the capacity now, and it's okay. But I think a lot of people, because I. My cutoff game very strong and I do think that that is somewhat a trauma response. I learned that very early on in life and I've been able to successfully do that. Like, if, if I'm not, if I feel like the relationship with you is one not serving me, and because it's not serving me, I can't serve you, then I'm doing a disservice to you to like, take up space in your world.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I agree with that. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I, I just, I, I just don't have. And it sucks because it's like I care about people that I just don't have the room for, if that makes sense. And I also hate surface level conversations. I don't want to fill the silence with small talk. It's not where I don't have. I don't even want to listen to music anymore because I just need silence and I don't, I need space for myself when I don't have.

[Kale Lowry]

It's because we live in a world where we're so overstimulated by so many things and you've got to consider for you, you've got seven kids that they're overstimulated and you're overstimulated. I can definitely get behind the. Let's just sit in silence. I have told three different people that I've been in relationships with. Don't text me small talk. Like, it's almost like, okay, so I told one of my ex boyfriends. I mean it was, you could tell it was like trying to engage, right? So I don't think he was intending to Come off surface in the way that he was coming off. But it's like loot lost my. I'm like, it's basically like you asking me how's the weather? And you have a app you can look at.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Don't care how your day was. You know whose day I care about? I care about my own day and I care about my kid's day. And I want to know if my kid had a great day or not. I do not care about another adult's day right now in this phase of my life in 2025. I don't know if it's because I'm burnout. I don't know if it's because of the fucking political and economical. Is economical word economic. Economic climate. I don't have it in me. Please shut the fuck up.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. I will say too that relationships that I have been in and I'm talking about like boyfriends that I've had.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't want to text you all day long because now when I am with you and I'm, you know, carving out time in the evening to be with you, we've already said everything that needs to be said throughout the day, whether that be over the phone or over text messages. Now you've pissed me the off.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Kale Lowry]

And like, there's actually no reason for me to meet you for dinner because I know everything that I need to know. So what am I doing here?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I could not agree more. And I think that we might get some backlash from this conversation, but I. When Elijah and I were together, I set a precedent very early on. Do not call me. Don't call me. I don't want to talk to you about my day. I will talk to you when I see you. Like, we will have a conversation in person. I don't need to text you all day. I don't need to be on the phone with you all day.

[Kale Lowry]

Mature. Because, yes, I'm sure we will get heat, but I feel like that's such a mature awareness that I feel like we both have. I don't care to shoot the with you over text message or you to to call me and be like, hey, what's up? I also you like not you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

To be on my phone like that any. Like I always have my phone, but I don't always want to be on my phone. So I don't want to be texting and texting and texting and calling and whatever and like to each their own. If there are people listening to this podcast who love talking to their husband or their wife all day and then come home and they still talk to them, if that works for you, I'm happy for you. But I'm miserable right now. I'm fighting for my life because of the chaos. Like I don't, I don't have it in me to entertain conversations with somebody all day long.

[Kale Lowry]

I just wonder the people that would agree that it takes away from the in person communication and relational aspect that you have with someone if you are in constant communication. Because I think that this world with technology, it has made it so easily accessible for everyone to know everything about everyone all day long. Whether that be text message sharing reels and shit over Instagram as a form of communication, looking at people's stories, picking up the phone, calling them, what the fuck are we doing for, what do we need to do that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

When I'm on my phone scrolling, like if I'm ever scrolling, I send Kristen a lot of like reels to her Instagram and I had needed her to look at something in her DMs. I was like, hey, I'm sending you something in your DMs. I really need you to take a look at it. And she opens it and she said, you've sent me like 15 different real. Because it's just like I might not talk to her on the phone all day, but I'm thinking of her. So I'm gonna send her a reel. I don't care if she ever sees it. Just know I thought of you that day, you know what I mean? Like, I don't have it. Like, we don't have to have a conversation. Conversation about it. I don't care if you saw it two weeks later. Like, I don't have that.

[Kale Lowry]

We send back and forth are like, are you okay? No. Are you okay? No. Okay, bye.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, no, we're not okay. Glad that we're all unwell.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, something. Something is definitely wrong with, like, this world. Kristen says it's great when I look through threw it eight months apart.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. My. All my DMs that I've sent her. And then, like, eight months later, she'll go look again and be like, oh, damn. Like, sorry, I missed these.

[Kale Lowry]

And Kale's, like, secretly sitting at home. Like, I knew that wasn't my friend. Like, I knew he hated me all along.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I know I get on her nerves.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, what the. I also definitely feel like. So I told you that I took Jackson's phone, Will and I made that decision a little bit ago because also, the extreme access that these kids today feel like they need to have with everyone, Like, I liked it back in the time when he did not have a cell phone. So when he came home, he was completely disconnected from anything that he, like, knew from school. So we didn't have social media. We didn't have the phone. These kids today, like, why do they send this Snapchat world? Like, I know that you're on snap. Like, I get it. I'm not trying to make fun of you. It's just. I don't understand it. Like, why do I need to see your chin? Like, why do I need to see your shoes? Like, why do I need to see what you ate for lunch today and a picture of a toilet where you've taken a shit? Or, like, why do we need. Like, why do we need that communication?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I was just trying to get paid on Snapchat, so don't crucify me. We don't.

[Kale Lowry]

But don't we feel like it's somewhat, like, over consumption of, like, people having access to you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. But also, it is contributing to consumerism over consumption in general. Because if we stop watching each other's content, we could also save money.

[Kale Lowry]

Money.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I'm speaking for everyone who buys stuff from the things that I link. I'm just talking about y', all, too. Like, listen, if y' all have financial goals or you're trying to stay off social media, I'm not mad at you. If you don't want to buy the links because you're not looking anymore, that's fine. I get it. I think that we all as a community need to do. Just do better.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, well, speaking of communities that need to do better, we have a listener submission and it's Am I the. She says am I the for wanting to ask my mother in law to stop buying toys for my five year old. She takes her to Target and buys her everything that she wants. She orders every hunk of junk from Amazon. Today we got two junk toys and there's another coming tomorrow with an already full small house and me currently purging for Christmas and birthday right around the corner. Please stop with the stuff. We have never been able to have the pleasure of buying our daughter our daughter toys because one, she comes to a conclusion expect with every trip to Target and two toys are now disposable to her. She plays with them for five minutes. We have to be the bad guys and tell her no when she goes out with us. I don't want to be ungrateful and I understand that my daughter is the only grandchild and my mother in law is a young late 70s. Her time with my daughter may be limited. It is also more difficult for my own mother who can't afford to buy everything that my daughter lays eyes on. So given that choice, my daughter will gravitate towards my mother in law because she knows that it means toys which is 100% intentional and it kills me. Mother in law's actions are manipulative in general and she lies to most people about pretty much anything, including lying to her husband about money, shopping, gambling, etc. And ask us to participate in the lies. Am I the asshole for wanting her to stop or is that just how it is with an only grandchild and I just need to suck it up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

My problem with all of that would be less about the toys and more about the lies and manipulation surrounding all of that. I'd have to draw very strict line in the sand and also have create boundaries around that grandmother because obviously you don't want that to be the norm as it has become. No, I don't think you're the and if that's how you feel at the end of the day, that is your child. And here's the thing though that I, I am struggling with this because I've seen it in real, in like my own personal life with other people that I know. When someone says I cannot buy this for my child and this other person wants to buy it, whether it's a friend or a relative, what is the problem?

[Kale Lowry]

I think what this mom is saying and I very much understand it like it is your child. And ultimately the relationship that is being created with the mother in law is teaching the child to have transactional relationships. So I think as a parent that that is your right to be able to say this relationship feels very transactional. And, and because of that, we don't want this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, no, I hear that and I completely agree. Like, my mom was the queen of, oh, I, I got fucked up. Oh, I was not sober when you got home. Let's go buy something. Right? Like that'll make you feel better. I didn't have money to fill the fridge, but very much has money to take me down to Sneaker King in Honesdale, Pennsylvania to buy me a pair of new shoes. Because she fucked up. Right. But what I'm more so speaking on, and I'm thinking of years ago, Sterling had come to visit with her mom. And you know, I don't see her mom very often, but she went and she wanted to buy all the kids something right from the toy store. And I'm like, to me, that doesn't, I don't care like that. And one of the, one of our friends at the time was like, no, you're not buying him a toy. Like you're not. And her mentality was like, I can't afford this for my kids, so why, why should you get it for him? And I like, for me, I don't understand that.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't understand that either. And that's also not like a habit that's being created. Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like literally once in a while or one time ever. You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And so I think that, that, that's a completely different situation. But when you have a situation to where it's almost like the relationship and, and this mom's situation with her daughter, that the relationship is purely based off of a transaction and then it's also causing issues, number one, in their home, but number two, with the other grandmother that is not financially able to do it. There's like some unevenness there. As a parent, I think that you have every right to say, hey, we are not, we're not doing this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I will say like, maybe for a suggestion, if you're looking for one, maybe grandma can put whatever money that she was going to buy the toys with, like put that money in a bank account, start like a savings account.

[Kale Lowry]

It also creates situations with children that they become to expect that from that relationship. So the relationship is solely based on like, okay, I want to see my grandmother because she's going to take me to Target and she's going to buy me all these things. And then it, it's an over consumption because the child does not value the things that they have. Have either.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I took my niece to Target last month and I bought her everything she wanted.

[Kale Lowry]

Good. You're not doing that every single day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. And when I see her this weekend, I'm not gonna do that. Like, I'm. I might get her something like, but I'm not gonna fill the cart, you know, with everything. But like, that was my first time really being able to spend time with her. And not that I wanted to, like, buy her love. That's a big thing that people say about me specifically is like, oh, you buy everyone's love. Oh, you have money so you can take care of your kids. Kids. I wanted to spoil her because I've never had a niece. Like, I want, like, and yeah, she has an aunt on my sister's side through it would be like my, my sister's sister in law, like her brother's wife.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't want, like, now I'm like thinking like, I don't want her to associate me with, like, stuff. I want her to associate me as like a safe person that she can be around. So I want to be careful moving forward, but I still want to, like, buy her gifts and stuff out of love, not to buy her love. Does that make sense?

[Kale Lowry]

Right? Yeah. And I think that you just have to be. We all have to be very cautious because, you know, Will said stuff to me as a mom. He's like, you let Jackson get whatever he wants. And like, you can't do that because he's going to associate. Okay, well, dad won't let me do it and dad's not going to take me to Chick Fil A during the weekdays. So I want to go and be at mom's because mom will take me to Chick Fil A. Like, you have to be very cautious of the things that you do and the way that kids perceive them. On that note, we have foul play.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

On that note, we have foul play. Hello, ladies. I've been listening to this podcast from the beginning as well as your other podcast. I have submitted things before but have held on to this foul play because, well, it's embarrassing. So please keep me anonymous. Always. I have been with my husband since I was 15 and just celebrated our 28 years together, aging myself with that. I wonder how old she's like 40, I don't know. But needless to say, we try to spice things up by trying new things. A few years ago, after Attending a wedding where both of us had some drinks and we were feeling pretty good, we decided to get down and dirty. After we got home, we decided to add my bullet to the equation for some extra fun. My husband decided to put the bullet in my backside. As he was in the other hole, all of a sudden, he said, whoops. And I realized he'd let go of the bullet, and you guessed it, it, and it went. I immediately started freaking out. Ran to the bathroom trying to get it out, and all I thought was, please let me get this out. I don't want to have to go to the emergency room to get this out. Thankfully, after a few minutes, I managed to get it out. And needless to say, we will no longer be adding toys while intoxicated. Love listening to you both. Thanks for making my days just a little brighter with your shenanigans.

[Kale Lowry]

I just need to say, like, butt stuff is definitely overrated. Like, that's number one. Number two is what she's saying. Like, she put the. He put the bullet in her ass, and then it, like, got lost up there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, have you. Has a man ever put a thumb in your butt? Yeah, I think it was one of those. Instead of the thumb in your butt, it was the bullet in your butt. But, like, don't let go of the bullet. But I think he let go of the bullet. Or it was like quicksand and just, like, took it.

[Kale Lowry]

So the just absorbed it. It was just like, sucked it right on up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Sucked it right on up.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, has somebody ever put their finger in your bowl?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, last week.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, they did? Did you like it? It's not my fave.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's not my fave at all.

[Kale Lowry]

It's like, if that's what you feel like needs to get you there because you want a finger around my butthole. Like, okay, like, I'm gonna take one for the team, but, like, can you not do that and find another way to get off?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just like, what is your thumb in my. What does that.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, what is it? It's. It's giving a lot of things that I don't want it to be giving.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know what I think it is? I think men think that it's doing something for us, and it's just not. And, like, some people love anal. They claim. I don't know, that I believe them. I want to give somebody a lie detector test. Who says they love analysis?

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I have heard. Back when I was in high school, I knew about, like, this mom that was like, a mom at the school. And the high school boys would talk about how, like, she loved to take it up the ass. And yeah, it's a long story, but apparently, like, she got off from taking it up the ass. And I'm like, how though? Like, does it not hurt you? Like, how does your butt get that relaxed that you're just like, yeah, I can orgasm now.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't believe anyone who says they can have an orgasm. Like a woman. I don't believe a woman who says they can orgasm from getting it up the butt.

[Kale Lowry]

I just definitely need to know anybody who's listening to this. Somebody putting their finger, their thumb specifically, and your ass, like, what is that doing for them? Like, mentally, like, where are you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think mentally they think that we love it. They think that we're doing. They're doing something that we love and that is what's getting them off. But, like, sticking a thumb in my butt is not getting me there any faster.

[Kale Lowry]

No, it's actually scaring me and it's preventing me from getting there. So on that note, that's all we have time for today. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit CoffeeCombostPodcast.com to shop. Full video episodes are available on Kale's [e-mail] Kale Lowry. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See ya.

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