Hot Mom Sh*t With Leah Van Dale

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley

"Hot Mom Sh*t With Leah Van Dale"

Release Date: June 25, 2026
Guest: Leah Van Dale (also known as WWE’s Carmella)

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Episode Overview

In this lively, candid episode, hosts Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley are joined by Leah Van Dale—former WWE superstar, mom of two (plus three stepchildren), and host of the "Hot Mom Shit" podcast. The conversation dives deep into the realities of motherhood, the challenges of balancing self-care and parenting, postpartum experiences, family blending, mom guilt, and social media expectations. The episode is honest and funny, giving both practical insights and emotional validation for moms navigating similar journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Genesis of "Hot Mom Sh*t" Podcast

Timestamps: [02:18]–[04:09]

• Leah’s Evolution: Transition from WWE to motherhood, "snatch" newsletter, and launching "Hot Mom Sh*t" podcast to give voice to common but rarely discussed realities for moms.

  “I have, through ‘Snatch’, started a newsletter where I kind of shared my stories and experiences as a mom... But as a mom, who has time to read a newsletter? ... Podcasts are where it's at.” — Leah, [02:35]

• Podcast Philosophy: Advocates embracing dualities—moms can love their kids and still crave time for themselves.

  “It’s about living in the ‘and’—two things can be true at the same time...” — Leah, [02:58]

2. Fighting Mom Guilt & Social Pressure

Timestamps: [04:09]–[06:36]

• Stigma Around Honest Mom Talk: Social media ideals vs. day-to-day reality. Moms face criticism for showing vulnerability or complaining.

  “There’s too much backlash and judgment of moms, especially new moms—it's not fair at all.” — Leah, [04:09]

• Normalizing Messiness: Appreciation from followers for authenticity, like clutter in the home, and pushing back against unattainable standards.

  “How does anyone have time to clean their house and take care of kids and themselves and prioritize their marriage and work out and make dinner? It’s impossible.” — Leah, [08:56]

3. Managing a Blended Family

Timestamps: [10:31]–[15:54]

• Family Structure: Leah outlines her family—two biological sons under 2 and three stepkids.
• Stepchildren’s Role: Stepdaughters help with the babies, especially during travel while her husband is away.
• Adapting as a Large Family: Tips for individual quality time with each child as they grow, even segmenting activities to smaller groups.

4. The Reality of Early Motherhood & Toddler Life

Timestamps: [18:40]–[19:46]

• Least Favorite Stages: Both Leah and Kail admit the "birth to one year" stage is their least favorite due to sleep deprivation, monotony, and constant vigilance.

  “I hate saying it, but it's just so boring... They don't do anything, but you have to keep eyes on them at all times.” — Leah, [18:48]

• Housework Is Impossible: The daily struggle to keep up with household chores while tending to babies and toddlers.

5. Breastfeeding, Pumping & Feeding Choices

Timestamps: [19:47]–[22:45]

• Feeding Realities: Leah shares her struggle with exclusively pumping for her second son and the mental health toll it took.

  “That was my biggest struggle—never mind housework or any sort of anything that didn’t have to do with the kids.” — Leah, [20:55]

• End to Breastfeeding: Letting go of guilt for not being able to breastfeed as long the second time; pushing for feeding choice acceptance (breast is not always best for every family).

  “There’s no shame around it... We need to stop shaming women.” — Leah, [22:03]

6. Body Image and Postpartum Identity

Timestamps: [23:44]–[25:59]

• Changing Body Post-Kids: Leah discusses losing confidence in her style and identity post-baby, especially as someone who’s public persona was tied to appearance.

  “It’s been a struggle, this second postpartum... I don’t recognize my body... It’s been really hard, and I’ve been working on it, even in therapy.” — Leah, [24:38]

• Prioritizing Sleep Over Self-care Routines: The ongoing challenge to find time for workouts and self-care versus rest and chores.

7. Gender Disappointment & Mom Emotions

Timestamps: [31:29]–[34:27]

• Honesty About Gender Preferences: Open talk on wanting to be a boy mom and the societal taboo around gender disappointment.

  “If that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel. It doesn’t mean you’re gonna love your kid any less.” — Leah, [33:26]

• Worry About Loving a Second Child: Relatable anxiety about not being able to love the second child as much as the first—and how that quickly proves false.

  “Love multiplies. It doesn’t divide.” — Kail, [34:16]

8. The Never-ending “Mom Hat”

Timestamps: [48:43]–[51:00]

• Motherhood is All-consuming: The realization that, unlike other roles, you never “take off” your mom hat; always worrying, even on vacations or breaks.

  “My mom hat is always on no matter where I go, no matter what I do... Once you’re a mom, you’re always a mom.” — Leah, [48:51]

• Moms as Default Parents: Kail and Leah agree moms are usually the ones kids turn to, making finding personal time extra difficult.

9. Mental Health, Hormones & Postpartum Support

Timestamps: [58:09]–[63:00]

• Every Pregnancy/Postpartum is Different: Kail recounts different pregnancy experiences, including perinatal depression, and both discuss postpartum hormone crashes, anxiety during weaning from breastfeeding, and how unprepared they felt.

  "I had never heard of perinatal depression...I didn't know that there was an onset of depression that could happen while you were pregnant." — Kail, [60:08]
  "It was the most wild experience...a physical reaction that's happening in my body that I don't even know what to do." — Leah, [61:36]

• Need for More Honest Mom Conversations: Sharing experiences publicly so other moms feel less alone.

10. Career Transitions, WWE Life & Possibilities

Timestamps: [40:47]–[48:12]

• Would Leah Return to WWE? She’s open to going back someday, especially if her sons could understand and see her in action.

  “I would entertain it for sure...I think it would be really cool, especially if the boys were a little bit older and able to really recognize and understand...” — Leah, [40:55]

• Physical Toll of Wrestling: Both Kail and Leah discuss the underestimated athleticism required in wrestling and how physically intense it is.

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Memorable Quotes

• On judgment and honesty:

  “Both things can be true. You can love your kids and still need a break. It’s not one or the other.” — Leah, [03:35]

• On social media:

  "Nobody wants to talk about the hard stuff...sleep deprivation, how you can love your kids so much and also say, please, get off me, I'm overstimulated." — Leah, [05:22]

• On the “default parent”:

  "Mom hat is always on. No matter where I go, no matter what I do, my hat is always on." — Leah, [48:51]

• On gender disappointment:

  “I think people make [other moms] feel bad for it — but it's very real, and I think it's okay. We need to validate it.” — Leah, [33:26]

• On postpartum struggles:

  “It’s been a struggle this second postpartum...I don’t recognize my body.” — Leah, [24:38]
  “We need to stop shaming women.” — Leah, [22:03]

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• [02:18] – Leah explains the theme behind the "Hot Mom Sh*t" podcast.
• [04:09] – Dealing with judgment for being honest as a mom online.
• [08:56] – Normalizing mess and imperfection in the home.
• [15:54] – Blending families: stepkids and biological kids.
• [18:40] – Talking about the less-glamorous parts of early motherhood.
• [22:45] – Breastfeeding, pumping, formula, and mental health.
• [24:38] – Wrestling with postpartum body image and shifting identity.
• [31:29] – Honest discussion on gender disappointment.
• [34:27] – The myth that love divides with each new child.
• [48:51] – The never-ending “mom hat” and being the default parent.
• [58:09] – Pregnancy/postpartum depression, hormone shifts, and lack of support.
• [40:55] – Leah on returning to WWE and what it would mean for her family.

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Conclusion & Where to Find More

The episode wraps up with recommendations, a shared love for Bravo shows, and invites listeners to connect with Leah on Instagram (@theleahvandale), her "Hot Mom Sh*t" podcast, or "Snatch" newsletter. Ultimately, the conversation’s recurring theme: Both things can be true. Motherhood is beautiful—and grueling; you can adore your child and still desperately need a break. And that honesty is not just okay—it’s necessary.

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For more:

• Leah Van Dale: @theleahvandale
• "Hot Mom Sh*t" Podcast
• “Snatch” newsletter

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This summary captures the spirit and substance of the episode, highlighting the real talk, shared mom wisdom, and the push against perfection culture in motherhood.

Transcript

[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Leah Vandale]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

This is Coffee Convos with Kael Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels.

[Leah Vandale]

Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family

[Leah Vandale]

and life in the public eye.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Leah Vandale]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay.

[Leah Vandale]

Welcome to Coffee combos. I know last time you were on Barely Famous when you were Leaving wwe. And so a lot has transpired since then, which is exciting. How are you?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I'm good. I'm really good. How are you?

[Leah Vandale]

Hanging in there. Living the dream. Crying sometimes. You know how it goes.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Literally, all the time. All the time.

[Leah Vandale]

So since we talked last, you were leaving WWE and you were. You were kind of figuring out what was next for you. You talked about the story with your son and you had your snap. It was called Snatched, Right. And now you've started your own podcast. So can we talk about it?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yes, let's talk about. That's the theme. We're going to talk about it. That podcast is all about. It's called Hot Mom Shit, basically. So I have, through snatch, I started a newsletter where I kind of shared my stories and experiences as a mom. But as a mom who has time to read a newsletter, that's something I realize over time. So I still do that periodically. But I'm like, podcasts are where it's at, and I felt like I have a lot to say and so much can get misconstrued via text. So it's like, let me just say all the things that I'm feeling. And so that's kind of where Hot Mom Shit came from. And it's kind of all about living. In the end, two things, two opposing things can be true at the same time. So I feel like most of the time, I'm. My hair is in, like, a rat's nest. I'm wearing pajamas that are, like, three days old. I look terrible. But then, like, that 1% of the time, I want to get, like, I want to show up and show out. I want to, like, do my hair and look like a babe. And I feel like there's this. It's almost taboo. If you take care of yourself as, then you must be a terrible mother, because it's like, you know, you're prioritizing yourself and, like, God forbid you get your hair done and your nails done and feel good about yourself. And I was like, oh, well, then who's with the kids? Like, I just hate it. I'm over that. So that's kind of what the podcast is. It's about living in the. And two things can be true at the same time. You can be a mom and still be a babe. You can love your kids so much and be obsessed with them and also miss your old life and feel like you don't know who you are anymore and want time away from them. Like, two things can be true. It's not one or the other.

[Leah Vandale]

It's frustrating because I have a co host of Karma and Chaos, the one show you haven't been on yet. And she's a new mom, her son's about to be one, and she comes on the podcast a lot and talks about how hard motherhood has been for the first year. He turns one this month and she gets a lot of hate, like backlash. I mean, it is a mix. It's like half of the people are saying, like, we understand where you're coming from and we fully resonate with this. And then there's another half, like a group of people that are like basically condemning her to hell because she has all these feelings. And I do think that what you're saying is so spot on. Like, both things can be true. You can absolutely love your life as a mom and be obsessed with your kids and also be frustrated and get, you know, burnt out from the kids and have over stimulation with kids all over you. I mean, yesterday I got, I got home from tour on Sunday and for the past two days my, my eight year old has been like clingy and all over me and I'm like, oh, I just need a second. Like I'm overstimulating. He's like, you're always overstimulated. And I'm like, but both things can be true. I want you to be all over me, but I also am over stimulated. And I think that there's too much backlash and judgment of moms, especially new moms, is not fair at all.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Right, well. And nobody talks about it. It's almost like, especially through social media. We all know at this point, social media is not real. Everyone puts out their highlight reel and their greatest hits and it looks like their house is perfectly curated and their, their esthetic is there and it's like, that's not real. It really isn't. We've got to the point now where I feel like we kind of realize this. We know that it's not real, but people still continue to just put their best self forward. And I'm fine with that. I get that. I know why people do it. But nobody wants to talk about the hard stuff. Nobody wants to talk about the sleep deprivation. The fact that, like how you're saying you want your kids to be all over you because if they weren't, you'd be like, oh my gosh, why aren't you all over me? Yeah, you're also still overstimulated and touched out. And it's almost like if you feel bad about that, then it's like, oh, well, then, like, nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about those things. And I think that that's. That's kind of what I'm trying to do with my podcast and through social media. Yes, like a perfectly curated feed. Once in a while, I can look cute when I'm on vacation with my husband for the first time in years. But then people want to only focus on that and not the fact that I've been, like, struggling with postpartum and all of the emotions of now being a mom of two under two. It's a lot. And I just kind of want to normalize those conversations.

[Leah Vandale]

I got a comment semi recently. It was over, like the last month or so, and I guess I had posted like a little clip of something happening in my bathroom, like the primary bathroom. And I'm not an aesthetically pleasing girly. Like, if I turn this computer screen around, my office is an absolute shambles. And then I keep stuff out on my countertops and stuff. Like, of course I have like those one day a month where I'll go and clean everything off the countertop. But someone commented and was like, I really appreciate you showing that you leave stuff on the countertops. And I'm like, I am a mom of seven, and I think five out of seven of my kids shower and take baths in my bathroom. So everything is everything everywhere at all times. And then I wanted to also point out if, if you ever get a chance to podcast with Low Bosworth from. She was. She's big on talking about all of that. And she just posted a video yesterday on her feed and it was like her postpartum C section body normalizing that because not everybody is going to look the same after, you know, whether you do vaginal or C section. And then let me actually go read you what she posted because that is so spot on with, like, exactly what you're saying. And I feel like it's just when. When women like you and probably not me, because I used to roll out of bed in film looking like a scrub. So I, I would not put myself in this category like you and. And Low, I think that when people see people like you guys who are very like, you guys are stunning. You guys are babes. And then when you guys are normalizing, you know, kind of the day to day, I think it, it really does normalize it for everybody else. It's like, oh, like people who typically look put together on the big screen. Right. Or from money, like Low. And they're normalizing everyday mom on their. On your Instagrams. I Think that it. It. It does something for the rest of us. This is what it Sundays. I realized, one, she'll do it when she's ready. Meeting her. Her baby. Two, all the extra gadgets are garbage. And three, room temp bottle is fine. And then she says in the comments, and a little bit of a messy room is okay. And I would agree. Like, it's. We put so much pressure on ourselves, and I don't think that it's necessary. Like, we do it enough ourselves. We don't need extra outside criticism on top of what we're already feeling every single day.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I think it's insane that someone has to be like, thank you for showing that you have stuff on your counter. Like, why is it that they're like, we're normalizing, like, a bare house like that nobody lives in. Is it just supposed to be aesthetically pleasing all the time? How does anyone have time to clean their house and take care of their kids and take care of themselves and prioritize their marriage and work out and make dinner? It's impossible to do it all by yourself. That's why I've realized truly, as a mom of two now, it does take a village. You need help. You need. If I didn't have my mom, I. I don't know where I would be because my mental health would be so, like, way worse than it is as a mom dealing with postpartum and all the emotions and hormones and all of the things. So it's just great. How can you get everything done? It's just,

[Leah Vandale]

I. I read a book this year called the Ma Life, and it was try to follow the bouncing ball here because it does relate basically, like how things looked in the 1950s and 60s with housewives and, like, how crazy women were going because they were trapped in the house to do all the things it was like, make sure the house is spotless every single day. Make sure the kids are taken care of, make sure the meal is cooked, make sure you're answering to your husband and make. And I think that so many of those same pressures are still on women today, even though that is not today's economy in today's society. And so I think that it's just ingrained in people. And so we're judging women on that. And I just. It's so insane to me. But you just said you're a mom of two, and I know you have two bonus kids, too. When we recorded for Barely Famous, were you pregnant?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No. Well, I didn't know. I didn't know. Which is so crazy, which is like. It's so wild. Like, I was thinking about when I knew I was going to come on the podcast with you, talking about my journey with WWE and how everything happened, and I just feel like I. By the way, I also have three step kids, so. I have three step kids. I have my son Dimitri, who's two, and then the fact that now if that didn't happen with wwe, I would never have my son Bram, which is so crazy. And I just feel like it all works out the way it's supposed to. But a mom of two under two has been wild. It's been so crazy. Everyone says, you know, going from. I do think going from zero to one was the hardest because it's such a shock to your core. It's like you're used to living life for yourself, and all of a sudden now someone El is like, their priority. Right. So then to go from one to two, I was more prepared, I think. But then it's like, holy. Like, I don't know how you do it with seven. Like, how do you give everyone the attention that they need? I. I don't understand how to do it. Like, I'm still trying to juggle that.

[Leah Vandale]

I will say that in toddlerhood, it's a lot harder. Yeah, they get older, it's definitely easier to, like, divide them up and conquer that way. Like, for example, this morning I took two of my middles, just the two of them, to breakfast. Later today, I'll have just probably the. We call them triplets, but I have three that are three and under. And so I'll just be with them later. And then. So it's more like groupings. And then I can schedule individual time. I do. But I think that it does get easier kind of out of toddlerhood. Yesterday, my kids surprised me because I tried to do with the toddlers, try to do, like, just like, even if it's like five or 10 minutes of just coloring. And they were. Both Valley and Rio were asking for verse. And I'm like, okay, but I'm trying to do this with you.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Right, right.

[Leah Vandale]

The other one. And I'm like, that's not gonna work.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

So, yeah, I noticed that too, with Dimitri. He was just there 23 months apart. So once Dimitri has got. Got a little bit older, I'd be like, okay, we're gonna go do something, just me and you, because. So I can spend some one on one. And he'd be like, where's Bram? Where's Bram? And I'm like. And then I feel bad. I'm like, should I be showing him? Like, no, we're gonna do this away from him. Like, it makes me feel guilty about it, but it's true. It's. It's funny how they end accustomed to each other.

[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

Eight months.

[Leah Vandale]

Eight months. Okay, so he's almost a toddler. So how are they adjusting to the

[Kaylin Lindsay]

younger two, they're the best. They have a five year old brother on their mom's side, so they were kind of like adjusted. They knew what it was like to have a little, little kid around. My oldest, he's 17. He just graduated high school. He less about.

[Leah Vandale]

Okay.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I mean, he's good with his little brothers, but he could honestly care less, which I get. And then I have a 16 year old and a 12 year old stepdaughter, and they are just. They're great. They love them so much. They're always helping out. Oh. Like, so for example, I'm in Florida right now on vacation with my family. My husband's out of the country and I travel with both my boys. And luckily my stepdaughters came with me to travel down, so I never traveled with two babies before. So I was like freaking out. They were there. They were so good. I was like, okay, this is the game plan. This is what we're gonna do. You're gonna take this bag, you're gonna take that back. And they were just like, bing, bang, boom. And like, I'm so grateful for them. They're so helpful and they're just the best.

[Leah Vandale]

My oldest son also, he loves his siblings, but he's not gonna do any of the things right. Like, right if they're sticky, have drool, even look remotely dirty, he's not touching them or picking them up, but he'll wave at them in the same room, so. And I just. Just attribute that to him being a teenager, so.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Exactly.

[Leah Vandale]

Can relate to that. And then I have. Lincoln and Lux are obsessed with the babies. They'll do anything for them. And it's so cute to watch. But because Dimitri and Bram are so close in age, do you notice that they have like a. Well, first of all, do you have. You have siblings?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I do have one sister.

[Leah Vandale]

And what's the age gap between you guys?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

We're about two and a half years apart.

[Leah Vandale]

Okay. So not too far off from your boys. Do you notice little things in their relationship so far that you're like, okay, I can relate to this because I have a sister or not yet.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Totally. We say that they're like a mini me. My sister's name is Bri. Her initials are B.J. and that my. My son's nickname is. Our name is Bram Julian. So he's BJ as well. So it's very, very similar. The dynamic Dimitri is me, like to his core. And then Bram is a lot like. It just feels a lot like the dynamic between my sister and I Because Dimitri, like, bosses him around, tells him what to do, like, get him away from here, do this. And then Ram just, like, is obsessed with him, just stares at him and loves him so much. And it's really just so funny, and it's so cute.

[Leah Vandale]

There is something so special about raising toddlers so close in age. I know it's. We're in the trenches of, like, newborn, like, that birth to one, and then also, like, a completely separate motherhood in toddlerhood. But there is something so special about seeing siblings, and I have no experience with that. I didn't meet my sister until I was 19, and so seeing my. My K. Have some sort of relationship, and the twins especially, I'm like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It really is. It's so special. Especially now, like, that I'm seeing Brim. He's, like, starting to walk a little bit, and to see them interact, I'm like, okay. Because I think Demetri just thought he was going to be a bump on a log forever. He didn't realize eventually he's going to start, you know, growing up and being similar to him. And so I think now that he's seeing. Oh, he was like, mom, he's big now. I'm like, I know he's big. He's like. He's talking, and he just gets. Get so excited.

[Leah Vandale]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I'm just so excited for them to have each other grown because, again, they have their older siblings, but they're just so much older than them. And I know eventually, once they're all grown up, they'll all have each other and it'll be great. But I'm grateful that he now has a little brother to grow up with and go through life with on a different level, you know?

[Leah Vandale]

Yeah. Because it's like, like two groupings of siblings almost. So, like, they have. You'll have the best of both worlds, of everybody. But I think, like, like, the older kids kind of had each other. And now. Now Demetri will have somebody his age.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Leah Vandale]

I was not a fan of birth to one. Like, that was probably my least favorite. What would you say, 100.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I'm with you. Like, like, when they're newborn, newborn, it's so great for, like, you know, week or two, and then the deprivation hits and the hormones, and you're like, okay, like, I just want to fast forward, like, the next year, and I feel like I'm finally starting to get to that point. He's eight months. Like, I'm eight Months postpartum, and I'm like, okay, I'm finally start starting to see the light a little bit. But it's just like, I hate saying it, but it's like, it's just so boring. Like, and they don't do anything, but you have to keep eyes on them at all times, you know, so it's just like, just go up a little bit, you know, like. And I know some people might disagree, but I'm with you. I feel like that first year is just like, let's get on with it.

[Leah Vandale]

I did. Because you either have to hold them to your point because you have to have eyes on them at all times, or they literally are, like you said, like a little bump on the couch. Like, they're a little couch potato. You can't do anything with them. And it is hard because as circling it all back to the beginning is like, to do the laundry and the dishes and all the things just to keep up with basic, like, bare minimum housework.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Right.

[Leah Vandale]

What do you do? Like, how are we doing?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It's impossible. And it's so, for me, my biggest struggle with brand Dimitri. I breastfed until he was 14 months. And, like, he was just like a little bit, you know, once I got. He got to be a little bit older. But then I started. I was pregnant, so then I had to stop breastfeeding. And so with Brandon, I was really excited to breastfeed again. And then after a month or two, he was just not latched. He was over it. It. And I felt so guilty. I'm like, well, I have to give him breast milk because I did it for Dimitri for so long. I don't want him to not have it. And so I was just like, really? It took a toll on my mental health for so long to pump. So I was exclusively pumping up until, honestly, yesterday was the last day. I did my last pump. So I'm done. But that to have to exclusively pump with a toddler and a baby. And my husband travels a lot for work, and I do have my mom, but she's not there every day. And so it'd be like having to pump while holding the baby while Demetri doesn't fall down the stair. Like, how do you do it all? And it's just, that was my biggest struggle. Never mind, you know, housework or any sort of anything that didn't have to do with the kids. But that was my biggest struggle.

[Leah Vandale]

That's so hard. Nobody talks about it because, yes, they say breast is best. I think feed as long as you Feed your baby. I don't care. Yeah, but to your point, I had a really hard time with, with not being able to nurse my third son the way that I nurse my first. My second son. My second son, I also exclusively nurse for a year. And so not having that support because you need all hands on deck if you. Yes, for a formula fed baby, but even more so for a breastfed baby because it's attached to you. So nobody can help you.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No one.

[Leah Vandale]

If you are just exclusively nursing and they don't know about bottle or nipple confusion or any of that. Like, there really is no way without, without all hands on deck. So unfortunately my, unfortunately my third son didn't. I think he got maybe six or eight weeks. Like, it was not much because I didn't have the same support and the amount of hands that I had for my second son. And then as you can imagine, it was, it kind of went down the hill from there. But it does. I mean, because, you know, your body is capable of it, but maybe it's just not feasible with lifestyle and, you know, people work and, you know, there's

[Kaylin Lindsay]

no shame around it. Like, I think we women shame other women. Like, oh, you're. You gave them a bottle rather than your boob or you didn't give breast milk. And I remember seeing. It was Hillary Duff. She was on Call her Daddy and she was talking about how she just was like really struggling with her last. With breastfeeding. And then she was finally like, okay, I just have to give formula. And like for that first week, you're feeling so guilty and then you get on the other side and you're like, oh, okay. Like, why was I so stressed? Why was so I so worried? They're fine, they're thriving, you know, And I just think I was putting so much pressure on myself to make sure I gave him breast milk even though he would have been fine with formula. But I just was like, because of the, this stigma and then the mom guilt and all of it, it's just like, we need to stop shaming women

[Leah Vandale]

for we really do babies.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It doesn't matter.

[Leah Vandale]

Matter. Also, I don't know if I asked you this before. When we recorded for Barely Famous, did you also get a bachelor's degree in communications or did I make that up?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I have a bachelor's in marketing.

[Leah Vandale]

Oh, okay. I should have went for marketing. I would save. It would have saved me a lot of money.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I mean, truthfully, I don't really know. Like, like, I barely went to class when I was in school. Like, A cheerleader. I was, like, doing my thing. I was cheering in the NFL, and I was like, just, you know, living my best life. I. I have a degree, but, like,

[Leah Vandale]

you know, it kind of works with what we're doing. Honestly need them? Probably not.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It's so different now. Like, nowadays. Like, my oldest, he just graduated high school, and we're like, what do you want to do? Like, we're trying to convince him to go in for a trade because nobody wants to do that anymore. And back. I know when I was graduating high school, everyone had to go to school because you have to get a degree, and you. Nowadays, it's, like, so insignificant because now

[Leah Vandale]

everyone has one, and so they don't hold the same weight. I feel like I tell my kids all the time now. It's like, if you're gonna go be. Go do something that, like, in order to be in this field, you are 100 required to have a degree. There's no reason to go to college. So my oldest son wants to do interpreting for asl. You need a degree for that. Okay, fine. My second and third sons, they want to be barbers. Great. You want to be a barber, join the military, travel, whatever. Like, don't waste your money. But I fully agree with that. But going back to your comment about being a cheerleader in the NFL, I would imagine that there is a lot of pressure about you, like, women and their bodies. How do you go from being, you know, having those pressures and having to have your body be a certain way to being a mom, and then, you know, your body might not be the same as it ever was, just as good of a body as before, but, like, how do you handle the pressures of those things?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

So that's something that I've definitely been struggling with since having my second, you know, being in the NFL and then going in wwe, that was like, you know, such a part of my special. My. My character was the most beautiful woman in wwe. And, like, all of these things, like, you have to look a certain way. And I've, you know, taken such pride in, you know, being in shape and taking care of my body. And it's been a struggle, this second postpartum, because first postpartum, like, my body was just, like, back. I was good. I was feeling good, but the second time, it's just been rough, and I feel like I don't recognize my body, and I. I might. I have to, like, completely change my entire wardrobe. I used to live in crop tops and all, and now I'm like, I don't even know how to dress anymore, because it's just rediscovering, like, what is my style now that I'm a mom of two, that I don't feel comfortable showing my stomach. And it's. It's been really hard, and I've been working on it, and, like, even in therapy and talking about it and it's so especially, like, I don't have time to work out anymore. I have no time to prioritize that. It's like, okay, if my mom's there and I have a window of opportunity, do I want to take a nap? Do I want to. To run and get my errands done? Do I need to record for my podcast? Like, it's like, what am I gonna do in that short window of time while she's gonna be with the boys? And, you know, my physical health has been, like, on the back burner for a long time now.

[Leah Vandale]

I was just gonna ask you if you were able to, like, fit them in to a workout routine at all. I remember after I had my second son and I tried to, like, work out, I had gotten like. Like a jogging stroller. Never used it. I got the little cart thing that goes next to your bike so that it. The baby could go in there. I used it a couple times. But to your point, like, how the heck do we fit it all in? And if you're tired and you have errands to run and your husband's out of town and no one else can run those errands for you, like, what are we left with? Like, how do we. How do we move forward?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It's important. And I feel like for me, when I work out, that's, like, my time. The last thing I want to do is bring my kid with me to work out. Like, I. I want, like, I need some time for myself. So when I do get the opportunity to work out, like, I really try to take advantage of that. And usually, like, the amount of cancellation fees I've had to pay in the last however many months, when I'm like, okay, the night before, I'm like, I'm going to take Pilates in the morning. I signed up the whole thing. And then I wake up after, like, six hours of broken sleep that night because my baby still doesn't sleep through the night. So it's like, I've got to cancel that plaza. I'm not going to make it because I need to take a nap. I don't. I go to the gym. So it's. It's just. And I know I'll get there eventually. I'll get there, we'll get back to where I need to be and feel. But right now I'm sort of prioritizing sleep if and when I get the opportunity to get it.

[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh that'.

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

since you had two boys back to back, did you experience any type of gender disappointment? Like, did you want a girl or did you want boys or did you experience any of that?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I wanted to be a boy mom because I do have my stepdaughters, and they, like, fill that need of, you know, like, makeup, shopping and going to the movies that we like and shop it, like, all of those things I get to do. And we're so close in that aspect, and so I'm grateful for that. And I think I would have felt a little bad if I had had a little girl because I wouldn't want them to ever feel like I'm prior prioritizing, like, her over them. Like, I just have such a close relationship with my stepdaughters and my stepson, too. But it's. It's just different because he's a teenager. He's, like, out of the house. He's. He's a boy. Whereas the girls, like, we have. We're a lot closer. So I. When I knew I was pregnant with Demetri, I was so excited to have a little boy. And then I really wanted him to have a little brother. I was so grateful that I had two boys. If I had a little girl, I would have loved her just as much, too. But I. I think I might have had a little gender disappointment if it was a girl.

[Leah Vandale]

Really?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Leah Vandale]

It's so interesting because people will write into, like, Facebook groups for our podcasts and stuff, and I do see a little bit of a mix of, like, if there's gender disappointment. I definitely. I think I, like, wanted a girl, like, to some degree, but I didn't necessarily care either way. I just needed to know. By my. My fourth son, I didn't find out. For my first three, it was like, whatever I got, I didn't care. By the fourth one, I still didn't care. But I needed to know, was I having a fourth boy or was it needed to know. I never had the disappointment. I was just felt. I feel bad for Valley that she is the only girl. Like I do, because you have both and you have more than one of each. Like, Valley is the only girl, so I was like, naturally, I just want to give her a sister. But, like, kids is insane. Seven kids is insane.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Sure, sure. No, that's.

[Leah Vandale]

I don't. I never got it. But some people have gender disappointment, and

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I think it's okay. And I think people make Them feel bad for it. No. Who. Like, if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. It doesn't mean you're gonna love your kid any less. But I think that they're. They're. That's very real, and I think it's okay. I think we need to validate it, and then, you know, you move on.

[Leah Vandale]

I agree. And I don't. Again, going back to the shaming conversation. Like, just because someone has some feelings of disappointment doesn't mean that they're gonna love. In theory, they're not gonna love their child any less. And so I just think that we gotta stop the mom shaming. It's hard enough as it is. And once you have that baby, you're gonna love that baby no matter what. Also, did you ever think that while you were pregnant with Bram that you would. I struggled a lot with my second son because I was like, I'm never gonna love. I didn't know if it was a boy or girl, but I was like, I'm not gonna love this baby as much as I love my first child. I don't know how that was ever be possible. Like, my first child is my whole heart. And I quickly, quickly, quickly realized as soon as little baby Lincoln was born, I was like, love multiplies. It doesn't divide. But did you struggle with that, too?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

100%. I was so worried, and I was so nervous because I think my second pregnancy was so difficult. It was so hard. I was miserable. My first pregnancy was a breeze. I mean, other than, you know, a little bit of morning sickness, like, throughout the first trimester. But once I got to that second trimester with Demetrius was, like, amazing. So I thought it would be the same with my second. And I was miserable the entire time. So I felt like I just really wasn't sure how I was even going to feel about this baby. I'm like, this baby's kicking my butt. Like, I don't know how I'm ever going to love him the way I love my first. And I was like, I just don't understand. And then he was born, and I'm like, I get it. And everyone says, you don't know until it happens. Like, you just don't get it because it doesn't make any sense. Same thing with, like, just becoming a parent. You don't know what it's like to be a mother until you are one. Like, you can tell someone until you're blue in the face. Like, this is what it's like. And you're like, okay, whatever, but you don't know until it happens. And that's exactly how I felt like, once Brand was born. I'm like, oh, I love him.

[Leah Vandale]

So instant. Yeah, it's. And you're like, I know I'm in for a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of frustration over stimulation, but, like, just instant in love. Like, I. Oh, my gosh. I. I read this book last year, and it was about a family. Me. This child actually had been abused by his. By his mom. And I'm like, I just can't understand, like, my love for my kids. It's almost like there's just more and more the more kids I've. I know that sounds insane, but I'm like, I don't. I could not imagine that. Like, I just love them so much that. How could you look at one of your kids and decide that's the one you don't like? You know what I mean?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Totally. I know. That's how I feel. And I always like to, like, talk with my husband. And one of my girlfriends, she says the same thing with her husband. She'd be like, but don't you just love him so much? Like, you just, like, want to.

[Leah Vandale]

Cuteness, aggression.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Why don't you love them as much as I do? And I was actually on one of my podcasts. I have this maternal mental health expert, and I was asking her about it because we, like, people can write in questions and talk to her about it. And I'm like, why is it that, like, my husband. Do. I feel like my husband doesn't love my kids as much? Not necessarily, but my girlfriend was saying this, so I asked her, and she's like, they just have. They love them in different ways. Like, moms. It's just like, a different type of love. You are just, like, enthralled, but, like, you just want to. To, like, put some mayonnaise on their

[Leah Vandale]

foot, just bite them. I just like.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

And, like, that's. That's being a mom.

[Leah Vandale]

Why don't dads have that? Like, I. It's so different, the science behind it, because I'm just like, look, babe, look. Look what they're doing. Look what they're saying. Repeat that. Let. Let him hear it. Like, I need him to, like. And honestly, all the. I've been like that with all their dads, but I just need them. I just want to. You just love them so bad. And the cuteness, aggression. I'm like, I love. Even when they're, like, 8 years old, 12 years old. Like, I know my 12 year old still sleeps in my room. So that's how. Yeah. And I'm like, he probably will come home from his dad's after the summer, and my guess is that he's not going to sleep in there anymore. So I. I was trying to soak it all in before he went to his dad's, but I. They're only this big for this long, so I.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

That's what you. I've realized now as a. A mom of two, like the second time around, it's. It's just flying by in it. I know it's hard and I try to, like, I try to validate the feelings when you're in it. Because it feels like it could be forever, you know, the sleepless nights. It feels like these hormones are going to be around forever. Like, will I ever feel like myself again? Will I ever get out of this funk? And when you're in it, it just feels like so far off. But now that I have my second, I'm like, oh, I realize just how fast it goes.

[Leah Vandale]

When you brought Bram home, did you have a hospital. Hospital birth?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yes.

[Leah Vandale]

Okay. When you brought him home or even, I guess in the hospital, did you realize how, like, did it feel like Dimitri grew overnight into a big kid?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It did. It really did. And it broke my heart. So, like, he's not the, like, my baby, but he. He is. He's also 99, like over the 99th percentile for his height and weight. He's like huge. So he's never really felt like a little baby. He's just been massive. But. But it is funny just how. How different and how big they are compared to your baby. Once you have enough, you're just like,

[Leah Vandale]

wait, I have this little guy. But now all of a sudden you feel like you're three times the size you were before.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Right. And then it's like, I'm looking at my baby. I'm like, I'm going to blink and you're going to be him. Like, it just goes by so fast.

[Leah Vandale]

Would. Do you think you would have another one?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No, I'm 100% done. 100. Like, not even a thought.

[Leah Vandale]

Did you. So wait, when you. When we recorded for Barely Famous, that was. Was.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

That was like last March. February. March.

[Leah Vandale]

So were. Were you still early on when you found out you were pregnant or like, what?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I didn't know. I didn't know then that I was pregnant. I mean, I must have been obviously pregnant. I had no idea because I feel like when.

[Leah Vandale]

I feel like you announced at some point and I. I like did the math and I was like, wait a minute.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, it had to have been. I must have been like a couple weeks at that point.

[Leah Vandale]

But so like, like, you couldn't have known even if.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No, no.

[Leah Vandale]

Okay, okay, okay. So was it a surprise then? You were just like, oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It was crazy. Yeah.

[Leah Vandale]

And were you like your f. The most fertile, I guess after you give birth the like.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, I had. Yeah, barely. I didn't even like, at that point. I don't like, had maybe one or two cycles at that point. I didn't even really like, get back into like a regular swing of things.

[Leah Vandale]

Same that was Rio and the twins. I went to Thailand for my birthday and thought everything was great. I didn't even realize that I was pregnant. And then you just. That's it. Like that it happened so fast.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No, it's so crazy it. Because like, we had talked about it. We're like, maybe especially because of everything that happened with wwe. I was like, okay, maybe this is the sign that we need to like, maybe we're. We're going to have another kid. And that's the point. And then it ended up happening. We're just like, oh my God, this is wild.

[Leah Vandale]

I feel like though the. The cards usually fall where they're supposed to always.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

They always do. And it's like there's a reason why that happened. And I'm very big on like, everything happens for a reason. And you know, if I never got like, my contract never expired, I would. Maybe Bram. I know Bram wouldn't be here because even if we did have another kid, it wouldn't be him. It would be, you know, that everything has to line up at a very special time and moment for that specific baby to be born, so. Or to be conceived. So I'm just so grateful that it worked out the way it did.

[Leah Vandale]

Saraya, AKA Paige, made her her way back to wwe. Is that something that you would ever enter. Entertain?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I would. I would entertain it for sure. I mean, I just feel like, you know, when everything went down, I was obviously upset and like hurt by. Because I feel like I was never given the opportunity to go back. Right, right. So looking back, in hindsight, it all worked out the way it was supposed to. I have no ill will, bitter feelings, but at the time I was hurt. I was bummed out because I felt like I wasn't given the opportunity to go back. But I feel like that I would for sure go back if the. The opportunity presented itself. And I mean, yeah, everyone, I feel like, everyone ends up going back. It's like somehow, some way, everyone ends up back there. And I think it would be fun to like, put my Jordans on one more time or a couple more times and moonwalk out there. And my son Dimitri is obsessed with wrestling, obsessed with it. So he loves it so much. And he's plays with all our action figures. Like he. I have like 10 action figures and he's playing with them and I'm like, I don't think. He obviously doesn't realize that doesn't have action figures of their parents. He's like, this is mama. This is the blue mama, and this is the red mama. And he's just like playing with them. And so I think it would be really cool, especially if the boys were a little bit older and able to really recognize and understand what was going on. For me to come back for, you know, a little run and have them be there. I would just. I mean, I would be blubbering a blubbering mess. I don't even know how I would play my character because she's such a. But I'd be like, like crying because, like, my kids would be there. So I think about that a lot. I think that'd be really cool.

[Leah Vandale]

A motherhood will definitely turn you into a softy. So.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh my God. Yes.

[Leah Vandale]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

Start your GoFundMe today at gofundme.com that's

[Leah Vandale]

gofundme.com gofundme.com this message reflects one person's experience. I recently went to where I'LL call her. I call her Sariah. But Paige, for anyone who's a WWE fan, I went to where Page trains in LA for wwe and I filmed an episode with my friend Matt. And I have to tell you that I. I thought it was 98% acting and maybe 2% athleticism. Nobody warned me that it's 98% athleticism and 2% acting. I was shook. I was sore. I was covered in bruises. I mean, even just. Just like slinging myself back and forth between the ropes. Like, who is willingly signing up for this?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, we're all a little bit insane. That's.

[Leah Vandale]

You have to be. And you also. There's no way I. Somebody who is a mom first could then go to do that. I feel like the reason why moms can go back is because they did it before motherhood, because they had all these kids. There is no place for me and nxt. WWE in no world. Okay.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Isn't it crazy because you look at those ropes and you think, oh, they're just soft. You see people, like, running back and forth. And I remember the first time at the ropes, I was like. Because you don't realize just how hard it is. And that's just hitting the ropes, never mind taking a bump and hitting yourself, you know, flat on the. On the mat. It's just. It's a lot.

[Leah Vandale]

Leah. I couldn't even do a front roll. Front rolls hurt. Okay. I could barely stand. And then it was like rolling and trying to stand up. Up. Forget about it.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

It's. It's so hard. I think about it a lot. Like, if I were to go back, it would take me a while to really get back into the swing of things because I feel like my body every day when I wake up after a broken sleep and holding a baby in my arms, like. Like, I co. Sleep a lot with him because that's the only way it can get a longer stretch. And it's like waking up in the morning, I'm like. I feel like I've been hit by a bus. So I cannot even imagine getting back into the ring and. And what that would do to my body.

[Leah Vandale]

I mean, it will definitely do something. I was literally walking like this after, and then I had to fly home because I'm like, my. Like, it hurts just to put my arms down at my side. So if anyone listening to this episode ever questions anything about WWE or NXT or just wrestling in general, do not question the athleticism, because you have to be athletic. You have to put work in, and you cannot just get in a ring and sling yourself back and forth.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, you have to be tough. You have to have a high pain threshold. You really do.

[Leah Vandale]

I. And the character situation was so fun because I was like learning. But also, there are men in the WWE that are smaller than me, like shorter, wise and way less than me, but they can, like, throw bodies around that way more than me.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Sure. They're strong. Yeah, you have to be strong for sure.

[Leah Vandale]

I just, I can't. But I just wanted to tell you about w. My WWE experience.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

That's amazing. I love that.

[Leah Vandale]

Going back to motherhood, what would you say is something that completely blindsided you overall about motherhood?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Just how all consuming it is. Like, you never ever. So my husband and I, full transparency, we go to couples therapy. Not that there's anything wrong. I think when you, when you work out and you're in great shape, you don't just stop working out. Right. You continue to work on your body and your physical fitness. And that's how I look at my marriage and therapy. We go to therapy, we work on whatever it is we have to work on, and it's really strengthened our marriage. And. And there's something that we talk about in therapy where, like, you have many different hats. Like, Matt, my husband, wears his dad hat, and then he takes his dad hat off and he wears like WWE mat and he, when he goes to work and then he comes home, he takes the WWE hat off, puts his dad hat on. And I'm always like, when do I get to take my mom hat off? Like, my mom hat is always on. No matter where I go, no matter what I do, my hat is always on. And so then when I had this therapist on my podcast, I was telling her, like, when do I get to take my mom hat off? Off? Like, I'm just. I hate that my husband gets to take his dad hat off. And I never do. And she's like, you never will. Your mom hat will never come off. You'll be 80 years old. She's like, God forbid someone loses their child. Their mom hat will always be on because they're always going to be a mother and there's. That's never going to change. And when she told me that, it was finally like, okay, that makes sense. And at least now I know, like, my mom hat will never come off. Like, yes, I. My mom will take the kids for a night and I get to go on a date night with my husband. Or we went to Europe for the first time in years on our first vacation for a couple days. And even though I was without my kids, my mom hat was still on because I'm constantly worrying about them. Do they knew this? Are they okay? Do they miss me? I hope Bram slept well tonight or whatever it may be. Your mom hat never comes off. And it was just like this epiphany, like, aha moment when she told me that it's like, okay, fair, and that that will. Once you're a mom, you're always a mom. As a mom, As a mom. My mom mom is in her 60s. I'm 38. She's still my mom. I spent every single day with her. She's always worried about me, you know, and just that's what moms do. And I think that's something like I thought before becoming a mom, it's like, oh, yeah, like you're a mom, but then you can do other things and you have. And yes, you do have the opportunity for that, but you're always going to be a mom.

[Leah Vandale]

It's a blessing and a curse, I think, because obviously we want to be mom, right? Like, I'm happy to be mom. I Two things can be true. I would love to be able to, to do something during the day and then get a full night's sleep and sleep in in the morning and not have to worry. But I think ultimately it boils that like, we're going to be checking to make sure that they ate and did they eat and did they do all the things. But then also on the flip side of that, I think more times than not, mom is typically the default parent. So even if dad is all hands on deck and dad is doing all the things right, I think just naturally a lot of kids want their mom first. And so even if you get that time, it's like, okay, you're gonna, you're ult going to probably be the one that the child wants for comfort or for snuggles or for all of the things. And I obviously don't want any of this to be misconstrued into, you know, us saying that we don't want that we do. I don't think that anyone talks about the all consuming part of it. And it kind of goes back to like, I want my kids to be all over me. But it also can be overstimulating. It's the same way that like, you

[Kaylin Lindsay]

know, and I think you like how you're saying people are going to judge for saying, like, well, you wanted to become a mom. Why are you complaining about it? And it's not to scare people. Excuse me. I remember that. That chaperone, she was saying, like, you know, I see my mom friends who are like, they're miserable and I don't want to have kids. And everyone was trying to, like, come for her and be like, you know, say there was like this big controversy about a year ago, and she was complaining about it. And it's not that motherhood is. It's. It can be difficult and it can be hard, but then there are so many, like, beautiful, amazing parts of it and like the genesis of the podcast. Both things can be true, it can be hard, and you can love it. And it's not meant to scare anybody, but you need to. To be realistic. It's. It's hard and it's. It's challenge. My sister, she is a director of nursing at this children's hospital in Florida, and she was a nurse for. In the PICU for cardiac. And she's just, like, around babies all the time. She's so nurturing and so caring. She doesn't have kids. And so when she sees me around my boy, she's like, I'm visiting her right now, and she's like, helping me out a little bit. She's like, I am so exhausted. How do you do this every day? And. And I'm like, and don't forget you slept last night. And you don't have to worry about them hanging off of you all, you know, and she's just, I don't know if this is what I want from my life. And I'm like, that's fair and I get it. But there are so many amazing. And also, they're not your kids. So, like, you don't get it. Like, sometimes other people's kids, like, drive me nuts, but it's like my kids and I love them. You know, you look. You look at them differently than you do somebody else's. So it's like, again, not meant to scare anybody, but to be realistic and know it's not just like, oh, you pop a baby out and, you know, you live happily ever, ever after. It's. It's a forever job that. Yeah. You know, all consuming, but so incredible.

[Leah Vandale]

I don't get mad at anyone, any woman or. Or person that doesn't want kids at all. Because I'm like, if, you know that's not for you, I honestly, like, applaud you for knowing it's not for you. Because I think there are a select group of parents who do regret it. And I would. I never shame someone for not wanting to have kids. I know a Couple people. I actually don't. Just met a friend of mine and is getting married in the fall and we're both bridesmaids in. In a wedding and she's like, I got a hysterectomy. I knew I didn't want kids. And I honestly, I completely applaud people like that because then, you know, it's not for you. It is a lot. And then if you're on the fence about it and you're like, well, I really love my free time or I really love sleeping in until all hours of the night, or I'm a night owl, I want to be up all night, like that's completely fine. I'm never going to shame you for not wanting selfish.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

That's like just doing what is best for you. I don't think there's. I agree. There's nothing wrong with that, but I

[Leah Vandale]

think people really took what Chapel Rowan said and like started shaming her for that. I don't. Why are we shaming people who are choosing to be childless? I mean it definitely having kids that you don't want.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Right, right. Exactly. Exactly.

[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

as essentially non technical people.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

We're able to admin everything on the back end, front end and sell things online easily. If Shopify were a bike accessory, I

[Leah Vandale]

think it would actually be the bicycle.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

Start your free trial on shopify.com did you make a newsletter on Snatch about your like your announcement for a bram or no?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yes. So when I. Well I we did our announce. I'm trying to even think we just did our own announcement on Instagram. Like I was like we're not doing a people thing. We're not doing like we're just gonna like do it for us. We'd film like this cute little video and it was just like cute and fun and yeah. So then throughout my pregnancy I was doing more new newsletter just on like the like normalizing how my second pregnancy was so different from my first and that's something nobody really talks about. It's just like, oh, you think you're pregnant once and were all of your pregnancies the same or do you feel like they were all okay, good. So I'm like, am I crazy?

[Leah Vandale]

They were so. There were some that were more smooth than others, but I definitely had like varied experiences with all of them.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah. And it's like I never knew that. Why didn't no one prepare me for that? Why didn't nobody? I didn't know anyone that that had such drastic, you know, different pregnancies. So I don't know, I just feel like, and I don't really know if anyone is like, taking notes on anything that I'm saying, but I just feel like if it's happening to me, I just want to be open and public about my experiences. Not because I'm like, look at me, look at what happened to me. And like on a high horse. It's just like, if I can talk about it and one person can either read my newsletter or listen to my podcast, or read something I post on Instagram and feel. Feel like, seen or heard, or know that they're not alone in that or maybe prepare them for something, then. Cool. Like, I'm happy about that.

[Leah Vandale]

No, I agree. I. My fourth son, I lost like 20 pounds during the pregnancy.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Gosh, that's crazy. Yeah.

[Leah Vandale]

And I didn't know that that really, like, I. People talk about it and, but. And sometimes until you experience it yourself, you're like real. And then my fifth son, I didn't. I had not heard of perinatal depression until I got pregnant with my fifth son. Which apparently there's not just postpartum for anyone listening, where you have depression after you give birth, like the onset or whatever. But perinatal is while you're pregnant. It is the onset of depression. And when I tell you that I was waking up in the morning, taking my kids to school, coming back home, and going back to bed for eight hours until I had to pick them up from school, it was the. I didn't even know that was a possibility because I had four to term, almost pregnancies before that, so why would that happen to me? You know? And I think that it just can happen.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, I know. I think. I don't know if you watch Real Housewives or the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but I know that Jen Affleck on there, she actually talked about that. And I think that that's cool to have a platform like that to be on a reality show and actually be open and honest about your experience. And again, so people know that it's okay and it's normal and other people go through it too, and that they're not alone. And I think that's great that you share that. And I'm sorry that you have to go through that. That's awesome.

[Leah Vandale]

I had never heard of perinatal depression. I didn't know that there was an onset of depression that could happen while you were pregnant. I felt so alone, and I just didn't even know what to do. And then, oddly enough, when I got pregnant, I think I. My son was maybe two months old when I got pregnant with the twins. Something like that it was almost just like a balancing out of hormones, I guess, and I was back to normal. It was the weirdest. Even now I'm like, what in the world was that? And nobody talked about it. There's no support.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Support, totally. That's how I feel. Like, I've been not to. It's completely different experience. But I'm now weaning from pumping. And so I, like, would be dropping a pump every. So I was doing like four times a day. Then I went down to three. And like, every other week I was going down. And last week, it was like maybe two weeks ago, and I had this crazy panic attack. Like, had so much anxiety, was so stressed out, my heart was like beating out of my chest. I'm like, I don't even know what's going on. I feel like there's nothing for me to. I mean, other than, like, the normal stressors of my motherhood. But nothing out of the ordinary is happening. And I realize, oh, this is because I'm weaning from the. From pumping. And it was the most wild experience. And my husband's looking at me when he already. I feel like it's so difficult for men to understand hormones and any of it. So, like, I'm trying to explain to him, like, I don't know what's going on. He's like, why are you so upset? There's nothing wrong. And I'm like, I know. I know there's nothing wrong, but it's just like a physical reaction that's happening in my body that I don't even know what to do. Like, I.

[Leah Vandale]

What?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

He had therapy that day with his therapist. I'm like, can I talk to him? Because I don't even know what to do. Like, I'm just losing my mind, and it's just insane. But I never really. Like, I never knew anyone that dealt with this from weaning. And I guess it's just something like, I never had it with Dimitri. And again, every pregnancy, every postpartum, everything is so different. Such a different experience every time, but it was just insane. I've never felt like that in my life. Life.

[Leah Vandale]

I wonder if I probably experienced that and then didn't know what was happening either.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Sure. Yeah, I'm sure. A lot of women do.

[Leah Vandale]

I was having kids before any of my friends, so it's not like I had anyone to talk. Like, I didn't have any friends that had children, so they couldn't have told me. And I didn't have a relationship with my mom, so I wonder If I've ever experienced that and not realized what it was.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Totally. I, I guarantee. And I'm sure there's so many women out there that are dealing with it because you don't realize realized that the, the hormone imbalance when you're dealing with, like, breastfeeding in general and just getting rid of, like, slowly your supplies going away or you're trying to just wean or whatever you're doing. I mean, and I'm no like, lactation consultant, but I know that that's what that was. And so then I had to really go a lot slower with my, the weaning because I realized I had dropped an entire feed and I was like, oh, I need to just do it a little bit at a time because it was just, it was insane how it was affecting my mental health.

[Leah Vandale]

Oh, my. I never even thought about that. That's a good point. And I hope anyone listening, if you're going through it, like, maybe recognize this in your own situation, in your own life. I just wanted to ask you before you go, did you watch Maternal Instincts?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No, but I've seen so much about that. I haven't watched it yet.

[Leah Vandale]

Okay. Maybe because you're still kind of newly postpartum. Maybe wait a little while.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, I, I, that's kind of where I'm at with it. I'm like, I don't know if I want to watch that.

[Leah Vandale]

Yeah, I was just. Because it's trending, I was going to talk about it if you watched it, but since you did, I'm not gonna, I'm not tell you you need to watch it because you're so newly postpartum. But is there anything that you are binging right now?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh, well, I'm, I'm a big Bravo, girly. Bravo, girly. And I love Real Housewives. I love Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I'm from New England, so, like, the accents take me out. Like, I'm obsessed. So I love Real Housewives. Trying to think of. I was watching Running Point on Netflix. I like Kate Hudson and just like anything out Summer House, of course. I just, I love anything on Bravo.

[Leah Vandale]

I actually. You're from Massachusetts, right? Yeah, I went to Massachusetts in October for the first time. We went to Salem.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh.

[Leah Vandale]

And it was so fun. It was so cool. And I, we immediately had to book another. Another.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah. It's so.

[Leah Vandale]

Again, I loved. I want to take. I took my two oldest last time, but that was the. I think that's the first New England state that we've. I don't Think I've been to any other parts of New England.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh, wow. You would love. It's so. I love it. It's just like quintessential. Like, the seasons are so beautiful, especially fall if when you go like you said in October, so it's like prime time.

[Leah Vandale]

Well, we tried to schedule it last year for the food truck festival, but we missed it by one weekend. So I think that we got it right this time. So excited for that. But definitely would not probably love the winters in New England.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

No, I mean, it's. I live in Pittsburgh and it's just as bad, if not worse than New England. There's like no sun. I just hate the winter. I hate winter.

[Leah Vandale]

You should come out to my show in Pittsburgh in August.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Oh, I would love to.

[Leah Vandale]

That would be so fun. Like, bring whoever. I'll send you the details of it. I have only been to Pittsburgh one time, so. And I remember you saying that when we recorded last time that you're in Pittsburgh, so meet up or something.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Yeah, that would be awesome. I would love to.

[Leah Vandale]

I'm from the east side of the east coast of Pennsylvania, so it's a little bit different. But I love Pennsylvania.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Pennsylvania, Philly and Pittsburgh. It's like so far.

[Leah Vandale]

It's like six hours. I think it's. People don't realize, but yeah, I mean, when I say Pennsylvania, they're immediately either Philly or Pittsburgh. And I'm like, close, but definitely east coast. But what else do you want to plug? We have Snatch. We have your Hotmon shit podcast. What else you want to plug?

[Kaylin Lindsay]

I mean, that's it. I'm not. I'm just here to talk about mom life and normalize it all and just feel like a little. If anything, it's more therapy for me to just kind of like talk about the stuff I'm dealing with and know like, okay, someone else can relate. Relate to this. Cool. I'm good. Like, that's just kind of what I'm trying to do in this, in this stage of my life.

[Leah Vandale]

Good for you. And then where can people find you

[Kaylin Lindsay]

on Instagram, the Leah Vandale. And you can find Hot mom, Hot mom pod or Snatch for her. Just come to my page and you can find everything else from there.

[Leah Vandale]

Thank you so much for being on.

[Kaylin Lindsay]

Nice to see you again and chat with you. Hi there, it's Becca Tobin. I am currently the mother of a four year old, which means I have been through it, but I still have questions and maybe even a few answers from surrogacy to toddler chaos. I have learned a lot and also not nearly enough. That's why I decided to launch Baby Gang, a six part series from the Lady Gang where I'm getting real about fertility, parenting and all the stuff nobody actually tells you. I'm bringing in some experts for the tough stuff and some other celeb moms and friends for parenting survival stuff.

[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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[Leah Vandale]

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[Kaylin Lindsay]

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