Parenting Backbone, Being Medicated & The Halftime Show

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Parenting Backbone, Being Medicated & The Halftime Show
Date: February 12, 2026
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Overview of the Episode

In this candid, lively conversation, Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley dive into their realities as mothers, women in the public eye, and former reality TV stars. The pair tackle a mix of laugh-out-loud parenting anecdotes, personal confessions, hot-button social issues, and thoughtful discussions on topics like medication, cultural expectations, and even the recent Super Bowl halftime show. The episode manages to be both lighthearted and unafraid to address emotional and controversial topics, all with their classic blend of humor, honesty, and warmth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Hydration Trends and Parenting Boundaries

[00:32 – 03:21]

• Water Intake Caution: Both discuss trends around carrying massive water bottles. Lindsie cautions, “Be careful... it can deplete your sodium” (01:19).
• "Big Back" Parenting & Respect: They joke about kids calling parents “big back” and how such behavior wouldn’t have flown when they were younger.
• Parent as Friend vs. Authority: Lindsie argues that many millennial parents blur the lines between friendship and authority with their kids, which can lead to boundary issues—“More so being their friend than their parent...” (02:25).

Cussing Car Rule and Parenting Flexibility

[03:28 – 04:53]

• Swearing Boundaries: Kail brings up the “cussing car” rule, but both admit they’re more relaxed about swearing, preferring context and boundaries.
• Bigger Parenting Problems: “I could find way bigger issues… and that ain’t it,” Kail quips about being worried over swearing (04:21).

Co-Sleeping & Shared Spaces

[04:31 – 09:57]

• Kids Sleeping in Parent’s Room: Kail relates how her boys drag their nugget couches to her bedroom. Lindsie notes, “They're not gonna do this forever... I'm soaking it up” (09:13).
• Boundary Evolution: Lindsie contrasts her openness with her kids to enter her room with her own childhood, where her parent’s room was off-limits.

Parenting Backbone & Natural Consequences

[10:02 – 15:24]

• Backbone Confessions: Lindsie admits she struggles to enforce tough transitions (like taking away bottles), relying on her partner Elijah: “I have no backbone” (11:12).
• Natural Consequences: Both support allowing kids to experience natural consequences, like forgetting a lunchbox, though Kail confesses she sometimes intervenes anyway.
• Responsibility & Toys: Both emphasize teaching kids to look after their things—“Those are your responsibility. If you cannot find it, that is on you” (14:56, Lindsie).

Medication: Personal Experiences and Parenting Decisions

[17:36 – 24:43]

• Switching ADHD Meds: Lindsie shares her recent swap from Adderall to Vyvanse, stating, “Vyvanse does not work for me... I want to go back to Adderall” (18:42).
• Being Medicated Daily: Lindsie emphasizes how life-changing daily meds have been: “I broke down because...I cannot handle everyday life unmedicated” (21:19).
• Medication for Kids: Both discuss the emotional challenges of having a child evaluated and medicated for ADHD—“I see what [Lux] struggles with now when he's not medicated...” (23:20, Kail).
• Advice to Parents: Lindsie recommends full psychological evaluation before medication and warns about long-term tolerance risks.

Healthcare Access & Medication Costs

[30:10 – 34:43]

• Asthma Tragedy: Lindsie recounts the news of a 22-year-old man who died after being unable to afford his asthma inhaler, despite having insurance. “He had to choose between paying rent or getting his inhaler... and he picked rent” (30:41, Lindsie).
• Critique of the System: Both decry the lack of price controls on essential medication: “You shouldn't have to choose between a medication that you need to survive and your rent ever” (33:31, Kail).

Super Bowl & Halftime Show Controversies

[34:15 – 45:06]

• Game Recap: The hosts share their family’s divided Super Bowl loyalties, fun bets, and low-key celebrations (fried chicken, buffalo dip), with Kail recapping, “My bet was that the Seahawks were going to win by at least three” (35:42).
• Cultural Backlash: The conversation takes a turn with their impassioned defense of Bad Bunny’s halftime show against racist and xenophobic backlash.
  • “Puerto Rico is U.S. territory... the second you give someone from Puerto Rico the time for the halftime show... it’s a problem” (41:13, Lindsie).
  • “He was more inclusive to everybody in this country... than anybody else that I've ever seen” (44:30, Kail).
• Challenge to Listeners: Lindsie encourages self-reflection on cultural bias—“Ask yourself why you believe these things… If you can ask yourself why, I feel like you’re already on the path to changing your mindset” (46:40).

Missing Person Case: Savannah Guthrie’s Mother

[52:15 – 71:25]

• Case Breakdown: Kail gives a comprehensive update on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, sharing timeline facts, questions about security cameras, theories ranging from family involvement to possible political connections.
• Skepticism & Theories: Both are disturbed by details like the missing camera subscription and blood on the porch, unsure about theories involving local crime, the cartel, or even connections to the Epstein files and Savannah Guthrie’s investigative journalism.
• Highlight: “You and I have talked so much about like anywhere you go, if you try to commit a crime, chances are like there's going to be a camera… They have absolutely no leads” (55:52, Kail).

Foul Play Story: Embarrassing Couple’s Anecdote

[71:32 – 73:17]

• Listener Submission: An anonymous listener shares a vivid, mortifying story about throwing up on her partner during an enthusiastic moment, which the hosts respond to with laughter and empathy.
• Memorable Moral: “Ladies and gents, don't eat a full plate of Alfredo and ice cream and then suck a good dick. You will throw up on it” (72:56).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Boundaries:
  • “There’s a fakery bakery around here.” —Lindsie, [00:20]
• On Parenting Backbone:
  • "I have no backbone... but Elijah is like, this is this, is this, is this.” —Kail, [11:12]
• On Medication:
  • “I broke down because...I cannot believe that I lived like this for so long. Now I cannot handle the chaos of not being medicated.” —Lindsie, [21:19]
• On Social Outrage:
  • “[Bad Bunny] was more inclusive to everybody in this country... than anybody else that I've ever seen.” —Kail, [44:30]
  • “If you were outraged by the Super Bowl... I want you to look in the mirror and... ask yourself, why do I believe these things?” —Lindsie, [46:40]
• On Affordable Healthcare:
  • “It’s just ridiculous because it should not even… You shouldn't have to choose between a medication that you need to survive and your rent ever.” —Kail, [33:31]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:32 – Hydration & Water Trends
• 01:51 – Parenting Language & Discipline
• 03:28 – The “Cussing Car” Rule
• 04:31 – Kids Co-sleeping and Parenting Philosophy
• 10:02 – Dividing and Conquering Parental Roles (“Backbone” talk)
• 13:30 – Natural Consequences in Parenting
• 17:36 – Experience with ADHD Medication (Vyvanse vs. Adderall)
• 21:19 – The Impact of Daily Medication
• 30:10 – Asthma Inhaler Tragedy, Medication Costs
• 34:15 – Super Bowl Recap, Family Celebrations
• 40:02 – Super Bowl Halftime Social Media Backlash, Bad Bunny
• 46:40 – Challenging Listeners on Cultural Bias
• 52:15 – Nancy Guthrie Missing Person Case
• 71:32 – Foul Play Listener Story (Alfredo Incident)

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation reflects Kail and Lindsie’s signature authenticity, blending irreverence and vulnerability. They aren’t afraid to poke fun at themselves, challenge each other, get real about struggles, or take a bold stand against cultural hypocrisy. The episode swings from comedic and relatable parenting gripes to vulnerable admissions (about medication, letting kids go, and facing public opinion), all while maintaining a sense of community with their listeners.

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This summary should give new listeners an engaging, informative glimpse into the latest episode of Coffee Convos, covering everything from motherhood and medication to major social debates and jaw-dropping listener submissions.

Transcript

[Kale Lowry]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Kale Lowry]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Kale Lowry]

Here's Kale and Lindsay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I love your hat so much. I didn't know if you were gonna wear it, but I know you're a hat girly, so it work.

[Kale Lowry]

Good morning and welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. I am absolutely locked and loaded. I have my protein shake, I have my Alani Cosmic stardust and I have my mini G2.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I have my ghost and my water.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that I need to become more of a water girly. I actually was watching this tick tock of this one girl and she said she found this 50 ounce water bottle and she only has to fill it up twice a day. I think they're recommended is like 128 ounces of water a day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Be careful with that because I was also trying to do that and I learned that you can like if you drink too much water. Remember when people were carrying around those like gallon.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, sort of.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You have to also be careful because it can deplete like your sodium or like create a sodium imbalance that that's actually really unhealthy. So just be careful.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you remember when we saw that one article of that lady that consumed too much water and died?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

It was roughly around that same time when it became like a thing to carry around the gallons of water.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, that's dangerous. Like you have to. I would just like talk to your doctor about like what is like a safe amount of water to drink.

[Kale Lowry]

I also need to talk to you about this big bad cat because I feel like kids were walking around calling their parents big backs for like a long period of time. And it made me think if I would have ever called my parent a big back, I wouldn't have lived to ever say it again.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Same Susie was neglectful, but she wasn't gonna let me disrespect her. So that was gonna be backhand straight to my face.

[Kale Lowry]

But like, what's wrong with these kids? Why do they just like walk around thinking they can say whatever they want to say with zero regard? Is it the parenting or is it just kids today?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's both. I Think parents today are more interactive with their kids. So on one hand, you have, like, the parents joking around with the kids, but then you also have the kids that are, like, blatantly disrespectful. And then there's, like, a lack of parenting. Right? Like, more so being their friend than their parent, if that makes sense. And so, I don't know. I think it's like a millennial parent situation.

[Kale Lowry]

It doesn't bother me. Like, if Jackson says, hey, big back.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, okay, it doesn't bother me. Like, I. My kids are, like, witty and funny, and they, like, joke around. So to me, it does. They know when it's the time and place. Right? Like, they're not going up to somebody they don't know and saying that. Right? Like, if they're joking with me, we just joke. Like, it's funny, but they know there's a line. Like, they don't cross the line, you know?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I feel like if he said that in front of other parents, if he was like, hey, big back. Be like, excuse me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, no, we're not. Yeah, you can't do that, especially if.

[Kale Lowry]

You don't know at home. Then you can. You can say big back. I need to know if you have the cussing car rule.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Cussing car rule? What is that?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, you can only cuss in the car?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I don't have that. I try. I already. You already know when I tried to let them cuss all the time, and they. I thought it was going to desensitize them. And then it went. It got worse. So now, I mean, it does slip sometimes, but. Oh, I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, we'll be driving down the road and somebody will slam on their brakes, and Jackson will be like, what the.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I know people. We're gonna get crucified for this. Also, that's. There's a Morgan Wallen song. Ain't that Some. Ain't that Some. I do let them say that a catchy song has the in it. You know what I mean? Like, that's Morgan's fault. Take that up with that, man.

[Kale Lowry]

You know, not Morgan Wallen on today.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Don't let them listen to it, then. And I'm just making jokes. It's not that deep.

[Kale Lowry]

It's like, listen, I could find way bigger issues. Honestly, I have found way bigger issues, and that ain't it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

What the.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Not my. You know what? Let me tell you something. Last night, Lincoln, Lux, and Creed all slept in my room, okay? They have moved the nugget couches into my room. And just position themselves around the floor and they fall asleep. And last night we said, first one to fall asleep gets a prize. And here goes Lux, passed out, knocked out, and forgot about the prize.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, my God. Wait, so if they forget about it, you're not going to remind them?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, see, I have too much anxiety to do that. It's like, if I have promised something I cannot, like, I will remind and be like, I know I said this, so I'm gonna do this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I guess the responsibility falls on both of us. I didn't bring it up.

[Kale Lowry]

Why? Can you explain to me why your children are moving around portable furniture to sleep in your bedroom?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's one of those things where, like, I actually don't know, to be honest. I was going to come up with some elaborate reason, and they're just. I don't have one. I don't know. Like, it started off over the. Like on a weekend, and then I wasn't really allowing them to do it on school nights because, like, what kind of quality sleep are you getting on a nugget couch versus being in your own bed, you know? And then last night, Lux comes in. He's like, can I sleep in here? And I'm like, okay, fine. And then Lux. And then Lincoln comes in, and he's like, well, if Lux is sleeping in here, I want to sleep in here. And then here comes critter crat. And he's like, well, I want to sleep in here. So it's like, I can't tell one yes and the rest no. And so we just. It's fine because, like, they're not gonna do this forever. And it's like, imagine growing up and being able to say, like, my mom let me sleep in her room as long as I wanted to. Like, I have no memories of that, right? Like, I have no memories of, like, wanting to sleep in my mom's room and she letting me.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, so I have two feelings on it. And this is coming from, like, a co sleeping mom. Probably way past the point that we should have been co sleeping, right? I believe everybody gets better sleep when they're in their own space.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I do agree, but that's also coming from an adult. Like, I know that I get better sleep, as, you know, by myself, but my kids. I feel like kids can sometimes sleep better knowing they're with a parent.

[Kale Lowry]

I do agree, but is that codependency?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would say not yet. I think there's. Because they're still young. Like, my kids are still young. I mean, if you're like 15, 16 years old. I would say. Yeah, I would say that's like codependency. Now there's like maybe an issue. But Lux and Lincoln, I mean, Lux and Creed are 5 and 8. Lincoln's 12, and Lincoln more so like, he just loves his siblings and his family in both households so much that I think it's more of just like a want to be with the family. Not necessarily because he's always slept in his own room perfectly fine. You know, once he transitioned from co sleeping to his bed, he was fine. I think now it's just more like I don't have, like, I allow my kids in my bedroom. I saw this tick tock. I think it was. Or an Instagram reel, something like that, where it's like, do you allow your kids in your bedroom? And then I. Yeah, like, there's this thing where like some kids are their parents room is completely off limits. Like, you cannot go in your parents room.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that wouldn't work for me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, like, I. We. When I tell you guys, like, I use every fudgeing square inch of my house, I'm talking every fudgeing inch of it. And my kids can too. Like, I don't care who goes in my bedroom. Like, yes, it's like my space where I sleep at night, but my kids welcome to go in my room at any time. And I don't. I remember growing up, I wasn't really allowed in my mom's room. Like, that's like off limits. Don't go in there. Like, there's nothing in there that I would need. I don't need to sleep in there. I don't need to cuddle with mom in there. I don't need to do that. Off limits. You're not coming in here unless someone's dying kind of thing.

[Kale Lowry]

See, I just. I don't know about that. Jackson did sleep with me on super bowl night because he fell asleep in my bed.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

13 years old, fell asleep in my bed while watching the Super Bowl. Chastise me. Don't really care. I am a strong believer since I moved into this house. He needs to be in his own room sleeping most of the nights. Obviously, exceptions to the rule. Needs to shower in his own shower. No one needs to be showering in my master shower.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See, and that's the other thing I would say five of my kids shower in my bathroom. Shower or bathe in my bath.

[Kale Lowry]

I could not. I absolutely could not do that. But I'm also saying that coming from a place where Jackson was doing it until he was like 10.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So. So he's done all. He's doing that stuff until 10 now. It's like you're trying to phase it out. I could see that, right? Like, Lincoln's 12, I'm sure by like next year or the year after that, like, he's not going to want to be around his parents, right? Like any of us. He's going to want to just be with his friends. Like that, that age where you're. You become a teen and you're more with your friends than you are with your parents. So, like, I'm soaking up the last, like, what I feel like is the last year of him doing this. And I'm fine with it because I also, like, I won't see him all summer and things like that. And so I'm soaking it up. I don't care if he does it until he's 15. I don't know where, like, what, how it'll all play out with like, custody and like, you know, if he end up at any point moving in with hobby for the school year and me with the summer, like, I'm just gonna soak up any fucking minute that I can.

[Kale Lowry]

So I think that I might have like, an adjustment issue.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

When Will and I moved from our first house that we bought when we were married and we had separated, got back together, built a new house, Jackson slept with us. Like, co slept with us. Never slept in his crib ever. He had a crib at that first house. I did not want him to get a big boy bed until we moved in to our new house. Then when Will and I got divorced, I was allowing Jackson to co sleep with me all the time. He was showering in my bathroom. Then when I moved here, it was like the hard stop. You need to sleep in your bed. Your room is your space. Your bathroom is where you shower. But it's almost like I do like these big life events to get me to that place.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm going to be so honest with you. You're better than me. I have no backbone. When I sent the babies with Elijah this past weekend on Sunday, I said, I'm gonna need you to take the bottles away. The babas have to go. But you, you gotta do that because I have no backbone.

[Kale Lowry]

Will would say that I don't have one either.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I have no back. Like, I can't be the one. And honestly, like, I'm joking about it right now, but, like, it's not funny. Like, it's. It's really not I used to have a backbone, but the older I get and the babies are like my last babies, like, I'm never going to have another, like cutesy, woodsy little chicken nugget. And like, I don't, I can't say no to them. But Elijah is like, this is this, is this, is this.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Day when I dropped them off, they asked for something and there was like, trash. I want to say it was like a lollipop. And Valley, like handed me the trash and he was like, no, you were gonna go throw that away. Like he told Valley and Valley didn't want to do it. So he took her hand and he walked her to the trash. And he was like, you're gonna throw it away? Like, this isn't. You're not gonna give your trash, right? But like, for me, I would be like, no, it's okay. I'll take it. I'll put it in the trash.

[Kale Lowry]

See, that's me too. Actually, speaking of that, this morning Jackson calls me on the way to school and he's like, mom, I need my basketball shoes and I need my uniform. And I'm like, I'm getting ready for stuff. You've got a whole day of that we just found out they have playoffs this week, and we just found out last night that they have a game tonight. So, of course the uniform wasn't washed. His basketball shoes are at my house. So got to get all that there. That was the intention of the phone call. In the midst of this phone call, he and Will are arguing over where Jackson's lunchbox is. And I'm like, what do you mean where his lunchbox is? You're three minutes from the school. He's like, I don't know. He's an idiot. I put it on the counter. And if he forgot it, then he's gonna figure out what he's gonna do for lunch. So meanwhile, me, pushover, I'm on the school lunch account to make sure he has money on there so that he's not scrambling around when it comes to lunch time. And Will's like, well, who cares? He'll learn a lesson.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

To be fair, I am a big fan of, like, Natural Consequences. We've talked about. We've talked about this on here before. Like, I am a fan of Natural Consequences. So, like, I can also not have a backbone and also be like, well, that was your responsibility. Like, especially with. I don't know if Jackson ever played with, like, toy, like, little figures.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, yeah. Superheroes, Power Rangers, like, all that stuff.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, and so Lux and Creed specifically have really been big fans of those. Elliot and Lincoln also were, but, like, more of, like, the bigger ones where Lux and Creed, like, the little. Like, anyone. Not many, but, like, just, like, regular ones. And they'll ask me, do I know where whichever character is? And I say, I do not touch your toys. Those are your responsibility. If you cannot find it, that is on you. Well, can we get a new one? No. Put it on your birthday list. Put it on your Christmas list.

[Kale Lowry]

No, see, I'm big about, like, keeping the picked up. Because if you think that I won't. I will not walk through this house with a black trash bag on a random Saturday and start throwing away. You won't ever see it. There were, like, 3D printer that Jackson had made, and they were just laying around the counter as if they were decorations that I don't want to look at. Threw them away.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just got the kids a 3D printer. Are they cool? Like, are they.

[Kale Lowry]

They are really cool. I don't know what brand that you got. I got toy box.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, me too. I got the toy box brand. They actually sent it to us, and I wanted to take, like, a video or whatever, but I. I want to do it when I have like time to actually, like, film it or whatever. But I'm excited. I just don't know. Does it take hours?

[Kale Lowry]

No, actually the toy box is really, really fast in comparison. David's daughter has another brand of a 3D printer and hers takes a lot longer. And sometimes the texture of hers is very different than the toy. I prefer the toy box. I think it's great. And there's like different designs on there that it. Let's say you're like, okay, it's time for you to put it away. You have one more design that you can do. They can pick like an eight minute design. It'll tell you how long it's going to take to print. Or you can set it to print and then send them to bed and be like, it'll be done in the morning.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, okay. I think so. The kids go to their kid. The kids go to their dads this weekend. I don't know when this episode is airing. Maybe we could do it before they go or maybe when they get back. I don't know. But I have it and I just didn't know. Someone told me it took like hours and hours and hours. So I was like, I need obviously to spend time doing this when we have hours. But, like, based on what you're saying, that might work. Okay, I'm excited.

[Kale Lowry]

There's all different kinds of designs that you can do with various different times that it takes. Obviously the more intricate designs are going to take a longer amount of time. So always tell Jackson, like, if you're in the mood to like start printing stuff, but print all this stuff that takes the little bit of time while you're awake. And then set the printer, you know, for like the longer time while you're sleeping.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That makes sense. That's really cool. I'm excited.

[Kale Lowry]

That's so cool. I do have to tell you that I've literally been sick and cannot get better since what, the first or second week of January. Like, I'm gonna go to the doctor again because I can't get rid of the cold.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You should probably get labs done. I did.

[Kale Lowry]

I just had labs done for my life insurance and everything came back like, well within the normal range.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Interesting. Because if you're not, I mean, I know it's the season, but also that's concerning if you've like, because you've had Covid, you've had the flu, you've had all the things. So that's concerning.

[Kale Lowry]

And like, I just can't get rid of the congestion.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I Don't know. I. I also, nobody told me that Adderall and Vivance. So I'm on. I switched from Adderall to Byvance. You just brought up congestion that made me think of this when I wake up in the morning and my. I, obviously, it's out of my system. My nose is always runny. Like, people probably think I do cocaine.

[Kale Lowry]

See, my nose is always runny, but that's because of my nose job.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's because of the Vyvanse. Also, I'm here to tell y', all, I don't know if I ever updated y' all on this podcast. I didn't talk about it. I don't think any other podcast. But if I did, I'm sorry. I did switch. Everyone was telling me, switch from Adderall to Vyvanse. You won't be as mad, like, because I would be just, like, not angry, but, like, kind of snappy at people. And by people, I mean one person, AKA Ike. And so poor thing, just like, snapping, snapping, snapping. Everyone was like, vyvanse is better. Vyvanse is better, better. Vyvanse is better, better. Vyvanse is not Vyvan for me. And I'm not. I want to go back to Adderall. Adderall worked and it wasn't broken, and I just need to work on my attitude with it. But Vyvanse does not work for me in any way, shape or form.

[Kale Lowry]

Really.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Not at all. And I am currently taking 20 milligrams of Vyvanse versus 15 of Adderall. And I was fine on 15. 15 milligrams of Adderall, which is like, just above a child's dose. Finance does not. Is not it for me.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I think it's like, different strokes for different folks. Right?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Sure. And I'm sure it works for whoever. Like, if you take five hands and it works for you, great. Like, I'm so happy for you. But I. When I tell you that I would say the first entire week, it didn't work at all. So I started taking 20 instead of 10.

[Kale Lowry]

Wow. Wait, so somebody messaged us. It was like, is kill on meth today?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. I'm medicated.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, did you know that it's basically like meth?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. I always make the joke that I meticated. Like, I'm taking. It's like, under a doctor's order. It's a specific, you know, dosage. I take it X amount of days. Actually, I have been medicated for 41 straight days. And I have not even taken one single weekend off.

[Kale Lowry]

So you took it Monday through Friday and the weekends.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Because before you, before I like committed to this, I was kind of just taking it like as needed because the doctor had said it's like they consider it like a holiday drug. So like if you don't have to be productive on the weekends or whatever, you don't really have a reason to take it. You don't have to. But I wanted to see, you know, how much I could be productive, how well I could work essentially if I was just doing what I was supposed to do, which obviously has been working. I've been really productive. I feel like I focus better. I just all the things and so yeah, I even. But I don't notice like now when I, if I, for example, when I took the Vyvanse, the first week that I switched it was basically like I wasn't medicated. And I broke down because I was like, I cannot believe that I lived like this for so long. Now I cannot handle the chaos of not being medicated. Like it was, I mean I full blown boohoo cried because I could not handle everyday life unmedicated. And I don't know how I raised seven kids up to this point because I would just take it whenever I needed it versus every day. Now that I've taken it every day, I. It's just been life changing for me.

[Kale Lowry]

That's so good. But at the same time, you know how I feel about meds. I'm like, if I don't have to be on anything, then I'm not going to take anything. I'll just use it as a holiday drug if I need to be real productive and then I'll take it. I don't know what the healthier option is. Jackson's doctor told me that if obviously we're his parents, so if he's at home, he doesn't need to be on any medication. If we're fine with him not being on it. There's no reason for him to need to like produce in life that well on a medication over the weekend don't really care. But I'm sure there will be a time when he's older that it would probably be better for him to be on it every day. I don't know if any of your kids are on medication or not, but I can tell you for the parents who think that their child needs to be on it, I strongly advise going and doing like the full psychological testing for that. And I think that it is a huge benefit whenever it comes to school because you don't understand what their brain is struggling with, with them not being on it, if they need to be on it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I wholeheartedly agree. And I even took Lindsay's recommendation and flew Lux down to Atlanta last year to have a multi day evaluation. It was not a one size fits all. You go into this building and you get diagnosed the same day. It was not like that at all. It was a couple days. And I recorded here with him, with Lux the other day for my podcast and I could see the difference with him being unmedicated, and it was sad for me because I. I recognize patterns in him that I struggled with my whole life and just my mom didn't give a. So I struggled a lot. And then, you know, obviously going into adulthood, it was also a struggle and just mass chaos all the time. And so I see what he struggles with now when he's not medicated versus when he's medicated. And he also notices a difference because he'll tell me. And so obviously it's not a one size fits all. You have to do what's best for yourself and for your kids and for your family. Once I switch back to Adderall for myself and I sort of get into a routine, I probably won't take it on the weekends unless I'm working, because I also don't want to develop any type of dependence or what is it like a tolerance because I don't want to have to keep upping the dose either. So I feel like once I feel like I'm in a good place and I can take the weekends off, I'm going to just for that reason, like, I don't want to. My sister was telling me about her meds and, I mean, she was at like, the highest dose that you could ever have for, like, Adderall or Vyvanse. And it at some points just stopped working for her. So, like, I don't want to get to that spot.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh see I when I first, first started taking my meds regularly I also had a hard time falling asleep. But then after probably like a week or two I was fine to sleep by the end of the day. I will say the other day I think it was Sunday maybe I texted Alessandra and I said I don't have. I I have to scroll up. But I basically was like 3pm on Sunday. I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. I had to go to sleep and I had 20 milligrams of Vyvanse and I was like I have to lay down and I, I had to lay down. I had to take a nap. I took like a two hour nap and then I was up for the Super Bowl. But I it was finance is not for me. And if you guys also don't know like if you get evaluated or anything like that or have your kids evaluated, you could also do. It's called genocide or gene site. It's G E N E S I G H T to see which medication would be best for your specific biology. Vyvanse is clearly not that for me. Yeah, I don't. I can sleep on it now. I can sleep at night and I apparently now I can Sleep during the day on Vyvanse.

[Kale Lowry]

So I don't know if you struggle with this at all with Lux, but I had a really hard time accepting the fact that we probably needed to go get it, get an evaluation. Had a really hard time just submitting to the fact of him being on a medication. Not what the. I actually struggled more with once he got the diagnosis, knowing that he needed to take the medicine for him to be his best self. And when he first started taking it, I felt like it somewhat changed, like, certain parts of his personality a little bit. And then when he got used to taking it, I noticed some of those personality things kind of coming back. And I don't know if it was his body, like, adjusting to the medication or what it was, but, like, I had a really, really hard time, and Will wanted him to be put on medication way sooner than I did. We did not do that until he was in, I believe, third grade.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. Lux is in third grade, so that. That's around the time that I did it too. I just. On Vyvanse, it's not. I'm not triggered as quickly, but I'm also. I'm not able to. I'm just as forgetful as being unmedicated. I'm just as, like. I can't finish a sentence all the time. It just doesn't work the same way. But I'm less triggered. So it's really. And then I've also fallen asleep on it. So, like, I also am just like, I think Adderall. I'm gonna have to figure out, like, what triggers me and why I snap so easily. Like a short views on Aderall, but it works for everything else. It's just. I don't know if there's something that I could do that's like, in between the two. I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm sure somebody who's listening probably also has some of those triggers. And I have heard that that's common.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, well, now I know I'm not alone in that.

[Kale Lowry]

That's just if I. No, I. I think that probably some of that, If I had to guess, knowing you, it's probably because your mind is all over the place when you're not on it. And then when you are on it, you're able to think, like, in one straight thought. So I could imagine that, like, things that, like, pop up throughout the day would probably be triggering to you. When you're not on the med, you. Everything's going on around you that you're just like, what you don't even notice.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, yeah. Literally, that while we're on the subject of meds, I put this topic I like. I think I just saved it in my little album on my phone. But this family is suing a pharmacy over son's asthma death. And so it kind of fits into the conversation that we're having about meds, but also sort of just like this situation that we're in in the economy and whatever. So he. This young person, I think he was 22 years old. Yep, 22 years old. He had health insurance, but he could not afford to refill his asthma inhaler after the cost went from $70 to more than 500. So even with insurance, he had to pay $500 for his inhaler, and then he had to choose between paying rent or getting his inhaler refilled. And ultimately he had to pick rent. He picked rent. And five days after his pharmacy visit last year, Cole had a severe asthma attack. He stopped breathing and collapsed. He never regained consciousness and died. And the doctors attributed this death to asthma. So the parents blame what they say. What they say is a dysfunctional system where medications can change in price overnight without notice. So he didn't even have the notice that he should have had. And so a part of the insurance system that many Americans don't know about was responsible for the spike in Kohl's inheritance inhaler prices. And I think that that is a wild, wild situation to be in. And I think that their family is right to sue whoever they need to sue for this. Because he's 22 years old. What the do you want him to do?

[Kale Lowry]

I just. I guess I don't understand why a prescription could be one thing, and then it goes up. I've. I've heard this. Have somebody in my family who's diabetic, and a lot of diabetics can't afford the medication that they need to be able to survive and, like, live a healthy, productive life as a human being. I don't understand how they're not. What do they call it, like, limits on what they can raise the medications to? Like, why are there not any type of restrictions on, like, price. Price gouging? If they're raising prices like that to 500, I'm sure the mentality probably is, well, they need it to survive, so they'll figure how to pay for it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

They need housing to survive too. So it's like, for me, I'm looking at the situation like, okay, if this was me, and I have to choose, and I've Been in a situation like this, not with an inhaler, but, like, I've been in a situation where I have to choose between my housing and something else. My housing and my car, my housing and my schooling, my housing and whatever. If that was me between the inhaler or the housing, I also would have to choose the housing. Like, okay, I can try not to have an asthma attack the best I can. So I'm going to choose my housing and then try to come up with the money. But ultimately, if I drop dead now, you're not getting $70 every single time. And all it takes is, what, five, six times for you to pay for your inhaler for no. $70. Yeah, five, six times you pay for it, and you're almost at the 500, so you're gonna make more money long term keeping it at $70 versus everybody dropping fucking dead.

[Kale Lowry]

It's just ridiculous because it should not even. You shouldn't have to choose between a medication that you need to survive in your rent ever. I. I will never understand that. I know somebody that has dealt with significant, significant health issues, diabetic, and literally cannot afford the medication, so just keeps going in and out of the hospital due to the fact that they can't afford the medication. So they keep having all of these health things that are going on because of it. Amputations, like, all kinds of stuff.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just don't know what the solution is. I don't know.

[Kale Lowry]

Big pharma is not the solution. Wait, can we go back to the weekend? Tell me about super bowl and did y' all have predictions? Was it a split household? What went on?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Everyone in the house was hoping for the Seahawks except for Lincoln. I was rooting for the underdogs because when they played each other, Patriots and Seahawks played each other in 2015. The Patriots won. And so I was like, oh, if they're going to do this rematch, like, almost 10 years later, like, I gotta root for the Seahawks. Also. I love the Seahawks uniform so much. They're my favorite uniforms in all of the NFL Were. I got the. The coin toss wrong. I said it was gonna be tails. It was heads. I said it was going to be yellow or orange Gatorade. It was yellow. I said the confetti. The confetti would be red and white. I don't know why I thought that, but it wasn't. And then I said the Seahawks were gonna win. I said the national anthem was going to be just. Just about two minutes. And then I was really just there for Bad Bunny. Honestly, like, the outrage about the super bowl really pissed me off because. And we can get into that. What were your bets? I'll talk to you about Bad Bunny in a second.

[Kale Lowry]

So my bet was that the Seahawks were going to win by at least three.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Jackson thought that the Patriots were going to win.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

We bet each other 20 bucks. He actually delivered on his bet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Me being a pushover, I'm looking at the $20 that I put back in his stuff. Didn't keep it. He bet on. I don't know if y' all ever bet squares or anything, but it probably would be something that would be cool for y' all to do and incorporate at Killer Sports.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

And I can send you, like, a link on how you do it, but basically, most of our community goes to this one place to eat all the time, and it's a certain amount of dollars per square, and then you bet, and then all the money goes into a pot, and then you win based off of, like, certain things, whatever they're pulling for. And so I got a text at the end of the super bowl, and the text was like, what's Jackson's initials that he would have put on the squares? And I was like, probably jtc. I don't know. And they were like, well, he won $125. So he did give me $20 that I gave him back, and then he won 125. So now he's sitting at a solid $145 for the super bowl, period.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Go, Jackson. I mean, he's the real winner here.

[Kale Lowry]

And we had chicken, fried chicken, and Texas toast. That's all we had. Jackson actually said that he was really surprised. He said, you always do stuff, like, big for all events. Like, everything is decorated, and all your, like, pots that you put stuff in is always themed. So for, like, Easter, like, all of my stuff matches, and Christmas, all of my stuff matches. And he was like, I'm just surprised that you didn't do, like, a big, huge old spread. And I'm like, no, I just. I wasn't feeling it this year. I feel like I've been going through a lot of. And so I was like, we're just gonna go to the local chicken shack and get us some chicken.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I made buffalo chicken dip. It was my first time making, like, I did chicken breast. Next time, I want to try it with a rotisserie chicken. I did, like, an actual. So much better with the rotisserie. I. I think that it would just be easier to shred because, like, the chicken breast that I did. It was not as easy to shred. It was okay, I could do better. And then Ike made buffalo chicken wings. Lincoln made fried chicken. Lincoln's been begging and he does fried chicken with tenderloins. He likes to do like, basically like a fried chicken tender. And I, I didn't get to try them, but so that was what we.

[Kale Lowry]

Did too, with the tenderloins.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. I feel like it's because I don't really love meat off a bone, so it's better for me to like I.

[Kale Lowry]

Am a flat girly. Now I will pick it off with a fork because I don't want to look like a Neanderthal somewhere. But I love a good flat. A piece of chicken off of a bone girl. This episode is sponsored by Better Health.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Talk about the super bowl halftime show really quick. I do have a lot to say. I'm highly disappointed in our country and the outrage that has just been ongoing since they announced Bad Bunny as you know, the halftime show. I'm specifically want to say something about Jake Paul. Jake Paul has a lot of fudgeing audacity to be living in Puerto Rico to avoid to benefit from tax loopholes and speaking out about Bad Bunny the audacity that someone must have to do that when he just got his face rearranged by someone who is also Hispanic. Like, you put your money where your mouth is. They're better than us. They have more love than us. You're a hateful person, Jake Paul. I don't with you, and nobody should with them. Honestly, in my opinion, I'm not a.

[Kale Lowry]

Fan of either of the Paul brothers to be perfect.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, Logan Paul came forward to basically go against what his brother had said. And I just. You cannot sit here and live in Puerto Rico and benefit from the island and the people and the culture in one way and then speak out against bad bunny performing for the super bowl. Puerto Rico is u. S. Territory, and at the end of the day, where the American government will use Puerto Ricans for labor, for war, for. For their food, their culture, all of the things. And that's all okay. But the second you give someone from Puerto Rico the time for the halftime show, like, Jake Paul, what was your. What was your take on YouTube performing halftime, right? Like, what's your take on Coldplay? What's your take on Rihanna? Right? Like, none of them are u. S. Citizens, but we gave them. But because they're speaking in English or singing in English, it's okay. And it's always the people. Like, I saw this woman on Facebook who I know in real life, and she commented about how she did a post about all the things her daughter said. Her small daughter, this is a mess. What are they saying? Why is it in English? And she's like, laughing about it. I'm like, this isn't funny. Because you'll accept business from Spanish speakers. You will accept money from people who are not part of the U.S. they're immigrants, right? You'll accept money from them to spend money in your businesses. You'll go to Puerto Rico. You'll go to Spain for vacation. You'll go to, you know, Uruguay. You'll go wherever. Panama, you'll go to Costa Rica. And that's all fine. You like Mexican food. Don't let me catch you at a Mexican restaurant around here because I will call you the out.

[Kale Lowry]

So anyone that is going to Nicaragua, Argentina, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Panama, El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador, Spain, Uruguay, Paraguay, Cuba, Chile, Peru, Dominican Republic, any of those places. And you're bitching about that. Number one. I felt like that that halftime show was better than. Better produced, I guess, than any halftime show I've seen in a very, very long time. And Jackson was dancing to it. He said, this is Cool. Like, look at those trees out there moving. That's people. It was the Bushes. I honestly, as a country was very proud in the moment, until after the moment.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just don't understand the outrage, Right? Like, are the same people speaking out about Bad Bunny? Are they also speaking out about the Epstein files? Are they also talking about that all the white people who are criminals and sexual predators and where's the outrage for that? Right? Like, there's rumors going around about Life Touch, the owner, the CEO of Life Touch, which has taken all of our kids photos at school for school picture day in the Epstein files. Right? Like Donald Trump. Who else was named in the Epstein files that are Jay Z? Like, you're more worried about someone who speaks Spanish who is putting out a message about, you know, inclusion with Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin and just telling the story of people from Puerto Rico. And we can benefit that from them making them a U.S. territory, making Puerto Rico a U.S. territory to benefit the United States. But you're not going to treat the people that are from Puerto Rico with respect and fucking dignity. Like, I just can't wrap my head around the outrage. Because it was in Spanish. No, it's because he's considered brown. It's because he's, you know, not white. That's really what the outrage is. And nobody wants to look at themselves in the mirror and say that out loud is you are fudgeing racist. And that's the bottom line.

[Kale Lowry]

I just don't understand why people had or are holding the position that they had when I felt like he was more inclusive to everybody in this country and what he did than anybody else that I've ever seen.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

1,000%. 1,000%. But also, the same thing happened last year with Kendra Kumar. He makes a statement. People didn't understand it. They hated it. You don't actually hate the message. You don't understand the message and you're racist because that will forever.

[Kale Lowry]

That will forever be my favorite video where people, like, put Kendrick Lamar up on the. The screen. Like, they green screen it for his super bowl performance. He's like walking around like, with his legs all crazy. Like. Like, it's like my favorite thing in the world.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just. It doesn't make sense to me. And honestly, the message was so loud that I just can't understand how people didn't get it. And I. I am unfriending people on Facebook because of it. Because you're not about to play in my. In my face the same woman that was talking about her daughter with all the Comments about the show. Her daughter is the same age as my kids. And you're teaching your daughter hate, and you're teaching your daughter ignorance. And I had to unlearn a lot of that ignorance that I grew up having. And I'm not. You've accept. You've accepted money from me knowing that my kids are black and brown. My kids went to your camp and you accepted money and they come from Spanish speaking families like you accepted money from us, and now you're talking shit and playing my face. No. Now I question how my kids were treated while they were at your camp. Now I question what type of treatment did you give to my children while you were. While they were there?

[Kale Lowry]

I've had to learn, and I say old age, but 36. That some people just will never change. Some people will never evolve. Some people will never look at things in a positive light. People on the Internet are going to do and say whatever they want to do for whatever reason they want to do it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The question I have is why, like these people, grown adults that are listening to this podcast, if you were outraged by the super bowl, okay. By the halftime show with Bad Bunny performing and singing in Spanish, I want you to look in the mirror and I want to. I want you to ask yourself, why do I believe these things? Why am I outraged by this? Okay. I want to know, like, ask yourself why. If you can. Ask yourself why. I feel like you're already on. You're already on the path to changing your mindset, right? I got a message. I posted a lot on my personal Facebook page about the whole situation, which shouldn't even be a situation, right? Like, I don't give a what language you speak. Like, if you. If it's a vibe, I'm gonna participate. And this message is from a friend that used to live in my neighborhood and our kids went to school together. And she said, I have a few friends who finally woke up and saw that what they were a part of, ignorance, selective ignorance, will. Willful ignorance, and finally straight up bigotry. Anyone on the ignorant side of the spectrum has hope of turning someday because they don't want to be bad or be wrong. Right? They're staying ignorant because it feels good and safe, which again, is a psychology thing, right? The mere thought of them being racist or fascist in any fast, fascist or fascist or any pedophile protectors is so utterly painful and shameful and uncomfortable for them that they choose to keep the bubble intact to protect their fragile egos. So if there's a chance of them Waking up with a period of grief or pain as they reckon with their complex complicit complicity. Why can't I speak today?

[Kale Lowry]

Complacency.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Complicity. No, it's not complacency. Complicity. Complicity. It's pathetic, really. Love the flags. And so she was just. We were just talking about it and I just. There has to be a reason why you believe the certain things that you believe, right? Like, and I talked about it recently about some of the comments I've made over the years on Teen mom and they're embarrassing. And I had to come to a place of, like, where. How did I get to that mindset? What was, what was my childhood like? Why did I think these things? Right? And so start asking yourself those questions. You can recover. You can fully, like, learn about implicit bias. You can learn about, you know, your ignorance and whether it's selective or willful or do you want to change. And I think that's the question is like, if you can get to the place of why do I feel this way. There is hope that you can change your mind.

[Kale Lowry]

I always look at other people and I don't know if you do this as a mom, but like, since I had a child, I always look at other people. They could be the same age as me. And to keep me from like, wanting to do anything mean, I always tell myself, well, that's somebody's child. Like, think about that, right? Like, that's somebody's kid that you're talking about on the Internet. For what? For what? Because he's Puerto Rican. Actually, I. I challenge and encourage anyone who's listening to this to go on Tick Tock and pull up the co. One of the co host from the View. And I absolutely loved her position on the Bad Bunny situation.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What did she say?

[Kale Lowry]

I will send it to you and then we will also post it and I'll post a link for everybody to be able to see it. But it was just. I mean, it was long winded, but it was so spot on. And I feel like if everybody just watched and listened, then they might have a different perspective.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, my fingers are crossed that I changed at least one person's mind about it because it's not that deep. And ask yourself why you're not outraged by all these fucking white people with massive amounts of power and money being an Epstein Files. But you're not like, Bad Bunny gives back. Bad Bunny educates himself more than we do. Bad Bunny clearly knows what the he's doing when he's breaking records and is Globally known. I hope we change one person's mind about it all.

[Kale Lowry]

Because that little boy that was holding his Grammy, I was like, that is the sweetest thing in the world.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

We are going to talk about the Epstein files on next week's episode because I have quite a bit to say about it but I did want to get to the Nancy Guthrie stuff. Have you been watching that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I followed it a little bit. I do know that her mother has been missing. I did go down, excuse me. I did go down a rabbit hole where they were saying that maybe her son in law had involvement. But then the last update I got was that no suspects were like nobody was a number.

[Kale Lowry]

Like it's really wild to me how this all went down. So I don't know if you know the history of Savannah got three today's show host.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

And she I believe if not the first one of the first to interview Epstein Files, victims.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I didn't know that.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. So she did. And then when all of this new Epstein files stuff recently dropped, some conspiracy theorists, and I'm not really calling them conspiracy theorists because it could be true, but people are calling them conspiracy theorists. That this has a link to the dropping of Epstein files. And Savannah doing those interviews with some of the victims, I could kind of get behind that. That would be the only thing that logically would make any type of sense to me to take an 84 year old woman. There were some theories out there. I posted about this over the week and some people were saying they believe for, for sure it was the son in law. Some people say that they think it was the cartel. And I'm like, what business would the cartel have to come to some 84 year old woman's house, smash cameras and steal her with like a long list of medical issues? Like, I just don't think that's the case.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do we know. And this is me literally asking because I don't know. Is there any. When you say medical situations, is dementia part of that at all?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. Okay. Because I. When I was a kid, a family friend who had either dementia or Alzheimer's or something, she would leave the house in the middle of the night. Not my house, but our family friend's house. And ultimately I think she passed away. And then Elijah had a family member who had dementia that like basically escaped the house and passed away. So I don't. I didn't know if maybe that could be us there.

[Kale Lowry]

The reports that I have read that there are no types of issues like that she did have a pacemaker that either was linked to her phone or her Apple watch. And they realized that the pacemaker no longer was reporting because the devices, I guess how they were synced were no longer close enough together for it to continue to, to report. So whoever did do this, they were somewhat smart. I mean, we're going on day 10 at this point that she has been missing. And I am just mind blown because you and I have talked so much about like anywhere you go, if you try to commit a crime, chances are like there's going to be a camera that catches you. They have absolutely no leads. Like in her neighborhood, there. There are no leads to any vehicle. There are no leads to anything.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So before the cameras were smashed, there's no record of anybody because like when you go up to a camera to smash it, there has to be video of you going up to the camera. Camera.

[Kale Lowry]

So apparently her ring camera was on a subscription. Supposedly the subscription was not paid last month, so it didn't save the stuff. Only in real time happening. Which makes me believe it's an inside.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Job because that would be such a wild coincidence that you accidentally. Because also surely someone in their 80s that has a Ring subscription, I would guess. Obviously I'm not. I don't have the world's greatest memory, but I would assume that someone would have set that up for her or she would have set that up on auto draft for the bill to be pulled regardless. Right. Like I said that you know, you don't want to forget so you set it up on auto draft. That would be one of them for my 85 year old mother. Right. Like I would make sure that that is taken care of and so that would make me think that that is an inside job or some. I know that Ring cameras that themselves have had so many lawsuits and like big time lawsuits that it is possible that maybe it was an inside job but they had connections with whatever that is with ring because ring has been corrupt in the past.

[Kale Lowry]

So supposedly like her floodlights I guess were smashed. Also the. I don't know if the ring doorbell was smashed or it was actually taken. But as far as the subscription, it was not paid for in the last month which really like threw up major red flags for me. But I'm going to just like tell you some of the details and the timeline of what happened, so. 84 years old, she was reported missing on February 1st from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Authorities described the case as a possible kidnapping or abduction and there have been reports of ransom notes. She was known to have last visited family January 31st and returned home that evening. She was reported missing in the afternoon of February 1st after not showing up to church. It says that at 5:32pm on Saturday, January 31, she left her home in an Uber to go to a local family member's home for dinner and playing games with the family and just visiting. It says that authorities did speak with the Uber driver and he said without providing specifics on that conversation. He, he said, you know, confirmed the, the time stuff without really providing any specifics. 9:48pm On January 31, she was dropped off at her home where she lives alone. The garage door opened and at that time it closed. Two minutes later. Sunday, February 1st, at 1:47am her doorbell camera was disconnected. It said the doorbell camera has not been located and noted that there were multiple cameras at the home. At 2:12am software detects a person on camera, but there is no video available. It is not clear which camera detected the person. It says the camera had no subscription. And that's possible that an animal triggered the software, which I don't believe that. I don't believe it was an animal. I believe it was whoever was there that got her.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, hold on. Because who, who dropped her off at home? Her friend.

[Kale Lowry]

I am unclear on who dropped her off at home. I think that it, it possibly was like a family member that she was like at their house and then they dropped her off.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think I read and obviously you're updating me in real time so like you might know more than I do. I read that it was she was with the son in law, which is why, which is why I think he was originally like people were questioning him. And by people I mean general public because I didn't read anything about him actually being like questioned or a person of interest. I don't know. But who in their right mind, right? And I'm not trying to be rude when I say this like who in their right mind is dropping an 80 something year old woman off outside and not physically walking her inside no matter what day or time it is?

[Kale Lowry]

I completely agree with that. That was one of the questions that I have as well. And I'm just thinking of my nanny's age. I couldn't imagine her getting in an Uber at 5 something PM to go to a family's home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But wait, this is an Uber.

[Kale Lowry]

She wrote she rode in Uber to the family's home. I am unsure on how she got back home, but I did see one report and I allegedly, I believe it was said that the brother in law dropped her back off at the house, saw the garage door go up and it closed two minutes later.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If that is the case, if that is the case, he can go himself because why are you not walking your 80 something year old mother in law to her door? I don't. You should have walked her inside the house. Like I don't care if there was even evidence that something happened or not. I mean she's in her 80s for sake. I mean that long because nobody's about to drop me off at my door.

[Kale Lowry]

You said this is why I don't want to live that long. So it says, it says 2:28am we're still on February 1st. Her pacemaker disconnects from her phone. 11:56am her family goes to check on her at the home and discovers that she's missing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What time?

[Kale Lowry]

11:56Am so after she did not go to church, I'm gonna assume that like maybe church service would have been around like 9, 9:30 when she didn't go to church. I think the family or whatever family members goes to check on her at 11:56am At 1203pm A 911 call was made and the deputies arrived about 10 minutes later. It says that what they have uncovered so far is that she was possibly in. Taken in the middle of the night. And that would include a possible kidnapping or abduction, it says. The sheriff said that blood was found on the porch outside of Guthrie's house and tested positive for her DNA. He said they would not comment on whether there was forced entry to the home. Her cell phone was left at home and in the. And is now is. Is in the possession of authorities. There has been no suspect or person of interest being identified. It says that nobody has been ruled out. We're actively looking at everyone that we come across.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

In this case, the blood on the porch is concerning. Does it say how much blood?

[Kale Lowry]

So I actually saw some like photo, video stuff and it looked like it was like on the porch leading like outside of the house. So maybe something happened to her while she was inside the house. And then it was like right outside the door. There was a rather large splatter. In my opinion, it looked rather large. And then there were smaller splatters after the large splatter. I didn't want to believe that it was the brother in law. And then part of me still believes that it might not be because there was ransom notes and stuff sent after the fact that the brother in law's devices and stuff were seized. Which is not to say that somebody else couldn't have been involved and he could have communicated to those people in a different way. I just don't know. Like, call me crazy and call me woo woo. But I think this is something political.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know enough about it to even have thought about that. So I'm not gonna say either way. I just hope that she's found and I hope that. I mean.

[Kale Lowry]

And like what is wrong with people to just go to an 84 year old woman's house and just take her? And how did they get. How did they get anywhere with her? Like there is no. I mean, think about it. If it, it wasn't a neighborhood, right? But eventually they're gonna hit like main roads and streets and there's gonna be cameras and whatever. No vehicle.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's a good point. You said it. It was in a neighborhood or it wasn't in a neighborhood. It wasn't a neighborhood because Even where I live, the neighbor across the street, if they have a ring camera, it's going to get the comings and goings of my house and Elijah's house. So if it's in a neighborhood, there had to have been. Yeah, like where? How did they get her? Unless her car. Unless their car was in the garage. But wouldn't someone. Yeah, like that doesn't make any sense.

[Kale Lowry]

You know what I mean? Like, wouldn't. Wouldn't something have been caught? Like whether it was a person on foot or. I mean, think about all the other cases and stuff that we have covered. Like there's been a car scene on a video. There's been a person on foot on a video. There's been like some type of.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I just brought it up the other week when we talked about something. The Chris Watts, they bring cameras around, got him getting something, lifting something into the bed of his truck. Like, and it was grainy, but like you could see it. Same thing for this. Like, that does not make sense to me.

[Kale Lowry]

And what really pisses me off about this entire situation, outside the fact that she's 84 years old and just at this point of her life, not that anybody should be bothered, but 84 years old, like, don't bother an old lady. The fact that somebody sent a fake ransom letter to a news station is wild to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is giving. I just watched on Netflix there's a show called Homicide and it was like the LA one and it was a Fox exec, Fox News Fox TV exec was in sort of some love triangle situation, an affair on his wife. The woman that he had an affair with, her boyfriend ends up killing him and multiple people help him. And it's. It was years and years before they finally nailed down the person who did it, which was the boyfriend of the woman he had an affair with. And he kept. Like several people were involved in this and like storing the body. And they ultimately the body was in a car, in his own car in a storage unit in la. And it took years for them to solve it. But that's. It's sort of giving that like somebody knows something and they're not sharing it. And I like when someone tells me not to tell anyone. I'm telling my boyfriend or my best friend. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like somebody knows something and they're not speaking up up like you aren't.

[Kale Lowry]

Safe if you tell me something. Because I'm definitely telling Keel or David facts. Like I'm telling, like, this is not going unscathed There is no situation that is not going to be coming up in conversation. I can promise you that at this point. I. They did say that they saw a. A large group of like law enforcement officers out of Circle K. Okay. So I'm wondering if there's any type of like tip of some type of vehicle and they were trying to get like surveillance and stuff like that. I'm not sure. But it says that. What they don't know is that how could somebody have entered her home at that hour? What actually happened to her doorbell camera? What caused her home camera to detect movement at 212 in the morning? The. The camera of, because it was multiple, was sent to a technology company and it's said to have exhausted all options and methods to be able to recover video from the device. And they also don't know if any of the reported ransom letters are actually legitimate. What I will say is one of the ransom letters had requested money and they put USD. So they said a homicide, retired homicide detective said that that was kind of giving. Maybe it was somebody out of the country. Because why would somebody in the country say like US Dollars?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, but it could also just be to throw somebody off. Yeah, right. Like, look at JonBenet Ramsey.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't, I was just thinking of that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't care what new evidence people bring. I don't give a. That was an inside the home job that was done by a family member and that ransom letter was written by Patsy. That is my theory. I'm sticking to it. I will never change it. I don't care how much evidence comes out. So I mean, if you're well traveled, like you could be literally from America and be well traveled and say USD or US dollars. I mean, I have been guilty of saying that several times kind of recently. I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean to me that's like the equivalent of saying sending an email and me knowing that I'm sending an email to somebody who works on the east coast. And I say est.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Right, exactly, exactly. To cover all bases so that there's no confusion, you know, And I, like, I, I can't. I don't know, something feels like, what would the cartel want with an older woman? Like, it doesn't. I don't.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm just thinking like if Coffee Combo's podcast was the cartel, are we stealing an 84 year old woman?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't think the cartel. The cartel is the cartels because there's multiple. I don't know that they're worried about some, Somebody that has nothing to do with them. Right. Like I don't know that that's not their M.O. like they have bigger fish to fry.

[Kale Lowry]

It's just weird coincidence to me. And again, call me a conspiracy theorist, call me woo woo. Just weird. At the time that the recent Epstein file stuff dropped and the connection with Savannah Guthrie's Reporting and an 84 year old woman just going missing, like is that, is that like a warning sign to be like don't continue doing this. I mean, what else can they steal if they took her mother?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But then we're talking about all these people that have been named in the Epstein files and you're worried about this 80 something year old woman because of a news anchor, like a today show host? I just don't. Like so many bigger people have been named and so many other concerning things have come out. Like this just feels like a weird.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know, I think that Savannah, she is a today show host, but I think she's actually like a journalist and an attorney.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. As well. Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

And so I don't know, maybe with the new stuff coming out, maybe there was fear that she was going to interview more people. I don't know. I just don't think that like some 84 year old woman just goes missing and her Tucson, Arizona home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. That's really weird.

[Kale Lowry]

You know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Note we have foul play and we will be covering some of the Epstein files on next week's episode period.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So for the foul play. When my boyfriend and I were 19, he took me out to eat at Applebee's where I ate an entire chicken Alfredo place.

[Kale Lowry]

Sounds like kale.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We then went and grabbed ice cream at our favorite spot. After we went back to his house and commenced to getting it on, I started to suck his dick. He's not small by any means, so it went down my throat when he would go all the way in. Well, my dumbass decided to be brave and show off and deep throat him over and over until I threw up noodles and cookies and ice cream all over him and the bed. I was so embarrassed I immediately sat up. Where then I kept throwing up onto the floor. Instead of being an or grossed out, he sat up, rubbed my back with throw up all over his dick. Still he wiped it. He wiped off the vomit from him and told me to stay there and he'll bring me water and a towel. He threw the comforter into the laundry room, cleaned up and managed to get me back in a couple minutes with water and hand towel to wipe my mouth. I was crying out of embarrassment and just throwing up. And he told me that it was okay because even with the vomiting on him, I was one of the best blowjobs he'd ever had. While it lasted, he remade the bed with clean sheets and blanket and we watched TV for the rest of the evening. Fast forward to 14 years. We're now married and expecting our first child. And no, I did not learn my lesson the first time. I have in fact, thrown up on him two more times since, and he's always a good sport about it. Ladies and gents, don't eat a full plate of Alfredo and ice cream and then suck a good dick. You will throw up on it.

[Kale Lowry]

Hey, I need to know people who are listening to this. Women specifically. Ryan, this would apply to your wife. I want y' all to ask your husbands or your boyfriends or your hookup or whatever. Like, I can't understand men wanting blow jobs over sex.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You want a blow job over sex? He wants both.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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