Sleepovers, Soul Searching & Shit Talk

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

Episode Title: Sleepovers, Soul Searching & Shit Talk
Date: May 21, 2026
Summary by PodcastOne Expert

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Episode Overview

In this lively and deeply personal episode, hosts Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley reflect on their friendship, motherhood, and the realities of life in the public eye. From soul searching about where they feel at home, to navigating the challenges of being mothers and business partners, the hosts share unfiltered truths, stories of professional ups and downs, and plenty of relatable humor—including a hilariously honest discussion about digestive mishaps. Long-time listeners and newcomers alike will walk away with a greater appreciation for authentic friendship, the hard choices of modern moms, and the importance of speaking your truth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sleepovers, Southern Comfort, and Identity

• Setting: The hosts are together after a sleepover, "chilling on the couch," exploring how being in the South makes Kail feel more alive and welcomed.
• Discussion: Kail contrasts her experiences in the Northeast (Delaware) with the hospitality of the South, expressing a sense of not belonging at "home," and reevaluating her life choices.
• Quote:

  "I've spent my entire adult life in Delaware, and I don't belong there, and I never have." — Kail (03:22)

• Relocation Dreams: Kail considers where she’d live if children weren’t a factor—picks Hawaii but notes affordability, culture, and practicality weigh heavily.

2. The Question of Second Homes & Escapism

• Kail and Lindsie debate the pros and cons of vacation homes, balancing financial sense and lifestyle satisfaction.
• Quote:

  "I think that is the biggest and highest goal for myself—is to be so content with my life that I don't need a vacation from my life." — Kail (08:24)

• Both express shifting from “needing to get away” to wanting to truly enjoy their daily environments.

3. Reclusiveness, Mom Life, and Mental Health

• Kail shares her increasing reclusiveness, lack of desire to socialize, and struggles to distinguish introversion from depression.
• Quote:

  "I don't want to be fixed. Like, I'm fine, but I also wonder if there is a depression element to it." — Kail (11:45)

• Lindsie reflects on her own desire to retreat after socializing, and how motherhood shapes these instincts.

4. The Mom Experience: Contrasts and Realities

• Kail details the demands of having seven children versus Lindsie’s single-child experience.
• Both discuss the guilt, gratitude, and exhaustion that come with “days off” as mothers.

5. Kids’ Commitments, Team Sports, and Parental Realism

• The hosts discuss the fine line between supporting kids’ commitments to sports and maintaining sanity as parents.
• Quote:

  "If someone was injured and couldn't be there, I would feel the same amount of support if they texted me and said, hey, good luck at the game." — Kail (21:31)

• They agree on the importance of boundaries: traveling far for an injured child’s game isn’t always needed.

6. The Truth About Their Friendship

• Lindsie and Kail break down the “truth” of their eight-year business friendship:
  • There have been periods of not talking, difficult creative differences, and even “knock-down, drag-out” fights.
  • They openly discuss being “pitted against each other” by third parties and the impact on their communication.
  • Favorite Quote:

    “We've gotten in actual knock down, drag out fights where we were cussing each other out in text messages and threatening to quit the podcast… it wasn't like we were saying this to so and so and then they're running back and telling us—we would say it to each other.” — Kail (31:13)

• The pair reflect on how podcasting together as business partners ultimately built a deep friendship, and how working through adversity became their greatest bond.

7. The Coffee Convos Lawsuit & Protecting What's Yours

• The hosts recount the turmoil of a legal battle where ownership and trademarks were in jeopardy.
• Quote:

  "Make sure you protect your businesses, you know, to the fullest extent. Make sure that you read the fine print...Make sure that nobody is taking credit where ownership [should be]." — Lindsie (47:38)

• This period ultimately brought the hosts together as they realized the importance of direct communication and trust.

8. Past Conflicts: The “Baby Mama” Spin-Off Fallout

• Kail describes the backstory to launching Baby Mamas No Drama without telling Lindsie in advance, leading to hurt feelings and a sense of betrayal.
• Quote:

  “Looking back, I would have rather told you and you'd be upset than for you to not know and be upset.” — Kail (49:46)

• Both share that business decisions, greed, and bad communication fueled rifts—now openly acknowledged and, in many ways, healed.

9. Shared Trauma and Connection

• Lindsie and Kail discuss how surviving joint hardships (personally and professionally) has deepened their connection.
• They stress the unique support that comes from sharing public scrutiny, motherhood, divorce, and personal pain.
• Quote:

  "It's one thing to not go through it and listen, but it's another thing when you can talk to someone who has experienced it already." — Kail (58:39)

10. Love Languages & The Ways We Want To Be Loved

• The hosts take a love languages quiz on air, reflecting on their results:
  • Kail: Acts of service (receive), then quality time.
  • Lindsie: Quality time, then physical touch; zero for gifts.
• Memorable Exchange:

  “Neglect.” — Kail, as the love language she was raised with (67:34)
  “Neglect is crazy.” — Lindsie (67:35)
  “Starvation.” — Kail (67:36)
  “Neglect and starvation is crazy.” — Lindsie (67:38)

• Discussion evolves to how childhood, parents, and past partners influence their current needs—and their aversion to “strings attached” gifts.

11. Relationship Wisdom: Escaping Mediocrity and Letting Go

• Insightful discussion about why some relationships end, and how “water seeks its own level”—you can’t fix or raise someone who doesn’t want more.
• Quote:

  “Twos need to be with twos...When you have higher standards, even if you raise them up slightly, you're still pulling yourself down.” — Kail quoting her therapist (77:11)

• The hosts talk about fighting, communication, and how real intimacy sometimes means weathering uncomfortable but necessary arguments.

12. Foul Play: Honest (and Hilariously Crude) Listener Stories

• At [80:36], the "foul play" section brings a listener submission about a very unfortunate public bathroom mishap, which spirals into a vivid and giggle-filled discussion of digestive disasters, pelvic floor therapy, and their own bathroom quirks.
• Best Reaction:

  “Biohazard—no, like truly, because it's like human defecation...” — Kail (83:03)
  “You either are a constipated like me or you're a pants like you.” — Lindsie (83:39)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:47–03:22] — Kail's feelings of not belonging in Delaware and Southern comfort.
• [04:03–05:46] — Vacation homes: fantasy vs. reality.
• [08:24–11:45] — Reclusiveness, introversion, and mental health as busy moms.
• [18:10–21:31] — Parenting styles: supporting kids in sports and making practical choices.
• [23:34–36:13] — Deep dive into the ups and downs of their business friendship.
• [39:08–49:46] — Lawsuits, business vulnerability, and Baby Mamas No Drama fallout.
• [54:04–59:09] — When have they felt closest? Support through shared trauma.
• [65:16–67:36] — Love languages and how their childhoods shaped their needs.
• [77:11–80:01] — Relationship epiphanies: you can’t save someone who doesn’t want to be saved.
• [80:36–85:59] — "Foul Play" segment: listener’s bathroom disaster and honest toilet talk.

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Memorable Quotes

• “I do not want to be fixed. Like, I'm fine, but...is it just me or does something shift the second it starts to feel like spring?” — Kail (11:45)
• “Kale and I have gotten in actual knock down, drag out fights... threatening to quit the podcast… shown up as business partners… But through it all, like, somehow, what do you think it is?” — Kail (31:13)
• “It's one thing to not go through it and listen, but it's another thing when you can talk to someone who has experienced it already.” — Kail (58:39)
• “Neglect... Starvation.” — Kail on her childhood love language (67:34–67:36)
• "Twos need to be with twos. Water seeks its own level." — Kail (77:11)

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Tone and Style

True to their reality TV backgrounds, Kail and Lindsie deliver this episode with humor, candor, self-deprecation, and a willingness to discuss taboo topics. They don't shy away from uncomfortable truths about themselves or each other, modeling the resilience needed to survive both business and personal drama. The rapport is sassy, vulnerable, and at times, delightfully irreverent.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a superb introduction to the unique, often chaotic but always supportive friendship between two women who have lived much of their lives in the spotlight. You’ll laugh, maybe cry, and definitely feel seen as a mom, friend, and human navigating life’s messy, beautiful realities.

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Transcript

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Kale Lowry]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Kale Lowry]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Here's Kaylin. Lindsay.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm ready.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Poppy Combo's podcast. We're chilling on the couch.

[Kale Lowry]

We're on the couch. We had a sleepover last night and honestly, I have never felt more alive than I do when I'm in Southern states.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. When we went to Alabama in March, I don't necessarily like at first I was like, oh, I feel like I could live here. I don't think it's that I could live in Alabama. I think it's the way that the Southern states make me feel.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So it's funny that you say that because Rebecca Text me yesterday. And she was like, the Southern hospitality is real. And I think it's something to do with that.

[Kale Lowry]

I think so. I also just think it's. I have been in the Northeast for my entire life, and then in Delaware, specifically for my entire adult life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you feel like you belong?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I feel like I have always been a fish out of water in Delaware. And then also recognizing that my son feels like he's a fish out of water and he's a teenager.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I think has opened my eyes a lot, and I just. And I. I do want to publicly apologize to Javi because I did privately give him a hard time and maybe a little bit on the episode of. When we had him on Barely Famous of, like, moving, and I was like, well, you could come back to Delaware, like, after this. You can come back to Delaware. And like, he was like, but I don't want to. And at the time, I. And we're just talking about one short year ago. Like, one short year ago.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Can you believe that it's been a year, though?

[Kale Lowry]

I can't, because, like, I can, but I can't. In on some. In some ways, I'm like. It went by so fast. On the other hand, I'm like, wow, it just feels like. Like it's been a year. Do you know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

And I'm like, why would you want to. Like, why would you want to do this? And. And I owe him. I owe him an apology for giving him a hard time about it, because I'm ready to get the fuck out. Like, I've spent my entire adult life in Delaware, and I don't belong there, and I never have. And I've spent so much money living there, but everything that I could be doing would be so much easier if I was somewhere else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If you could live anywhere. Let's take, like, the kids out of the equation. Live anywhere in the world. No children. Where?

[Kale Lowry]

No children.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, no children. Like, we're thinking, like, retired us.

[Kale Lowry]

Hawaii.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I could get behind that. I think they have the most beautiful beaches it's ever.

[Kale Lowry]

And they, like, everybody's on island time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I know it's more expensive, and I know they don't want us there, but I'm obvious. I'm obviously not moving to Hawaii. Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, they don't want us there.

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why?

[Kale Lowry]

It, like, ruins it, like, ruins their culture.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

That's why. You know, I. I don't blame Puerto Rico for not wanting to be part of the United States, because it will do the Same thing. What is the word? Is it gentrified? Years ago I was gonna get a beach house there and I had a budget. Obviously, I know this is out of touch, so. And it didn't happen anyway. But I'm just speaking on the Hawaii experience. Had spent the three weeks there, told Kristen I want to buy a beach house there. I had a budget, 650, 000.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Couldn't buy anything.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought I could get something nice there for 650.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

She said, I, not Kristen, the real estate agent said, you're not going to find anything near the beach for 650, 000 and you might get a two bedroom somewhere.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Where are you gonna put all your kids?

[Kale Lowry]

Exactly. And at that time I had significantly less children. But even still. And then I thought about it, obviously, like, how often am I gonna get to a beach house in Hawaii when it's a 15 hour flight?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know what? I feel like that's like a controversial topic. It's like, okay, if you feel like in life that you are in a position to where you can buy a secondary home somewhere else, it's like, yes, you could technically do that, but like, how much use are you actually gonna get out of it?

[Kale Lowry]

I think if you do it in a way that you can rent it out as a business while you're not there. It could. You could like Airbnb or like something like that or you know, you have like regular people who'd go visit it. But I think that when you're talking about Hawai, which the flight alone.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Kale Lowry]

Is so expensive. So then I'm like, okay. And then I started looking at Mexico. This was years ago. You guys might have remembered me posting about it because I was looking for agents and stuff like that. The Mexico.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I remember the Mexico one. Yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

So the Mexico would be more doable because the flights kind of fluctuate and you can get good deals on flights. But again, how often would we go where it's not like if we got a house. Excuse me, if we got a lake house somewhere where we could drive to, that makes more sense to us.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So I was going to say if you could have a lake house or a beach house, which one would you have? I would choose lake all day because I feel like you would find a lake that was somewhat like drivable close to you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And you would use it all the time.

[Kale Lowry]

If I was to stay in Delaware, I would get a beach house because there's the beach an hour away and a lot of people local to Us, they have a beach house that's an hour away, which to me I'm like, I don't know if I'm getting far enough away from where I am. Do you get what I'm saying?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. But then also I feel like when you buy secondary homes, homes like at the lake or a beach, it's like you have put so much investment in that that would it limit you going other places and experiencing other things because you would want to be there all the time because it's already paid for.

[Kale Lowry]

That was something used to. I would not go back to the same place I had already visited because I wanted to use that money to explore a new place before I make second rounds. That has changed a little bit. I've been to Mexico several times. I've been to Hawaii several times. But there was a time where I was like, I'm not going anywhere. I've already experience Mexico is the best

[Lindsay Chrisley]

bang for your buck.

[Kale Lowry]

They just put an airport in Tulum.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh really?

[Kale Lowry]

Before it used to be like a, like a coveted area and you had to like spend extra money and it was exclusive and no kids and like more like bougie. But they just put an airport there, which I think is going to attract more tourists and more of like a, a less high end experience.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But it was supposed to be like a hidden gem and I feel like everybody talked about it on Instagram for years and it's like, oh, it's like the place to go. It's like off the beaten Pat. But now putting an airport there, I feel like that's going to change that entire experience.

[Kale Lowry]

When I went to Thailand, I went to. Oh God, I can't even remember the name of it now. I went to a place in Thailand. Like I flew into a place where everyone goes and then I flew to another island that was less than 1% of tourists go there. So I went to like a hidden gem portion of Thailand. Yeah. So like I'm all for like off the beaten path, like the gems and exploring, all of that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I am all for staying home. I feel like I have a good life like where I'm at and it almost feels like I vacation at home.

[Kale Lowry]

You know, I think that that is, that is the biggest and highest goal for myself is to be so content with my life that I don't need a vacation from my life. I just need a little peace and quiet at home. Like, vacations are great, they're awesome. But I also pay a mortgage and I need to enjoy every cent of it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep. I say that all the time. I'm like, if you're paying a big mortgage, then enjoy your home.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I love being home. I. I know that that sounds crazy, and one of the things that I was worried about when Ike and I got together was like, I known him and I've known him to kind of like, be out and about. Yeah, I'm not that way. And I haven't been that way for I. I find that the older I get, the more reclusive I am, but I'm okay with it. But then yesterday at the airport, I was thinking to myself, I do these like one week trips every month for work, or you guys come to me for a week work trip. Like, I don't want to even go socialize with, like, my friends at home, which I'm thinking is starting to become a problem. But that is very typical in my family. My grand. My uncle is like that. My grandfather's like that. My mom has become like that. Like, that is, like very Irwin esque.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, when y' all age.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Like, as we get older, we become more and more reclusive. And I'm starting to find. But, like, I like it and I don't want to be fixed.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like I've always somewhat been reclusive a bit. Like, I'll go and do stuff with my friends, but then it's like, okay, I'm ready to be home and no one contact me for five business days.

[Kale Lowry]

No, Lindsay, I don't go out at home at all. Like, the week that you guys come, when Alessandra comes to me, that's me. That's me socializing for the month. I do not go, Lindsay. I don't go out to dinners. I do not go hang out with my girlfriends. I do not go. I ask Ike. I literally do not do anything. And I'm. I. I don't want to do anything. And it's like, I'm like, part of me is like, am I depressed? And then the other part of me is like, is this who I am? Like, I do not go to dinners with my girlfriends. I do. Like, Emily lives in Delaware. I do not go out with her.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wow. So do you feel like.

[Kale Lowry]

I do not leave my house when

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm home, but, like, what do you do at home?

[Kale Lowry]

I rip and run around with the kids, but I don't even take, like. I don't know how to describe it to you without it being, like, traumatic, but it's like, like genuinely when you dissect it, like, I don't go anywhere. We don't we don't go to dinner. We went to dinner for our anniversary, but we did not. We do not go to dinners during the week. We do not go to dinners on the weekends. We do not go anywhere.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you feel out of place when you went to dinner, like you shouldn't be there, or did you enjoy it?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I. I had a good time, but I was. By the time we were done, I wanted to go home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't want to go to the bar and have drinks after. I don't want to do something I don't want to. We dropped the kids off at the movies, went to dinner down the street, pick the kids up at the movies, go home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, wow.

[Kale Lowry]

It takes everything in my body for me to run errands to physical places.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If you had a choice and you could get the same amount of stuff done, would you order online?

[Kale Lowry]

I only order online.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, your errands, like, where are we doing errands?

[Kale Lowry]

Rebecca does them for me now, I swear to God.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So you just sit at home?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I. So the content house has been helpful to get me out of the house.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And I do appreciate that because I get. I feel more productive even though there are. There's down time at the content house, too. As any job, any job that anybody has, there's downtime. It gets me out of the house. But then I'm tapped out. And I think part of it is how many kids I have and, like, my mental exhaustion. But the other part of it, I do wonder now, I did just get diagnosed. Not diagnosed. I did just get put on Prozac. So I'm about to start that because I want to see if that helps maybe how I feel, because I don't. Like, I don't want to be fixed. Like, I'm fine, but, like, I also wonder if there is a depression element to it. Is it just me or does something shift the second it starts to feel like spring? Like, maybe you suddenly want to be outside all the time, going on long walks, grabbing coffee, because obviously this is Coffee Combo's podcast. Or maybe saying yes to plans that you would have said no to last month.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And every year. That shift makes me realize that I want a whole new wardrobe to match my energy. But refreshing everything for spring can get super expensive super fast.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I love everything from Fabletics and I just love the matching set so much and the quality honestly surprised me when I first started ordering from Fabletics. Fabletics pieces feel like that premium activewear that you'd expect from higher end brands but without the price tag. We're talking soft, breathable and built to actually last. And what I've been loving the most is how easy the pieces are to wear throughout the day. So I can throw on a matching set for a workout and keep it on for running errands throughout the day. It just takes the stress out of getting dressed. And also, this is kind of perfect timing with Nurses Week coming up. I found Fabletics actually has scrubs too. So I'm going to be purchasing these for my mom for Nurses Week. And if you are a healthcare provider or you have someone that is in your life, that is, they're running a really good offer right now. New VIPs can get a scrub set for just 15, which is fantastic.

[Kale Lowry]

That's honestly such a steal. And you guys can shop [e-mail] Coffee combos to get 70 to 80 off everything when you sign up as a new VIP, take a quick style quiz and be sure to select coffee combos when prompted to unlock this offer. This is a limited time offer, so don't wait. Again, that's fabletics.com coffee combos for 70 to 80% off everything as a new VIP.

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

Well, and I, I am struggling in real life with the fact that like, you know, I, I get one one day out of the entire month where I have no children and there are moms that don't have one day. One day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

One 24 hour period. That's it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So when you have that 24 hour period, how are you using your time?

[Kale Lowry]

Usually we're getting stuff done around the house, doing. I do my big grocery orders, I try to sleep in, but my body's naturally waking up. So yeah, and I get it, this sounds like a woe is me, but I think I'm speaking for a lot of moms in general or people in general. Like, there are moms out there that don't even get the 124 hour period. You know what I mean? So I am thankful for it. But I'm also like, I do wonder a little Because I took. I started seeing a new provider for my medication and stuff like that. And I had to fill out this survey and one of the questions was like, do you feel withdrawn at all? And like, on one hand I don't feel like it's withdrawal. I feel like it's by choice. But on the other hand it's like, like I said, I don't want to be fixed. Like, I'm fine, but again, like, I'm gone for these days this week for work. You guys are my friends. Like, my friends are like, outside of not saying that I don't have. Because people are going to listen to this and be like, what the fudge kale? Like, we're friends. That's not what I mean. It's just like we do this and we're go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And on all the time that, like, when I'm home, I don't, I don't know how to describe it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's so interesting how like we can have the same title as mom, but our lives look so drastically different within being moms. Like, you're a mom to seven, I'm a mom to one. So when people are like, oh, I never get sleep because I have three little kids running around for me. I have a 13 year old and we both slept until noon yesterday.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that, I love that. When I met your friend yesterday and he was like, she sleeps for 12 hours a day. I'm like, good for them. Like, I love it. I don't get upset or do jealous or anything, but I'm like, obviously I don't live that kind of life, but I love that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And like yesterday we did groceries and kind of like bounced around the house for a little while, like, got some stuff done and then Jackson and I went to lunch.

[Kale Lowry]

It's one of those things where like, like I. It's a. What did you say to me last night when you came into the room? You said some mental anguish. Obviously it's not related to this, but like, it's the anguish of like, do I try to fix this? Or could. Am I okay?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But does it even need to be fixed? And I think that's what you need to figure out. Like, is this just who you are

[Kale Lowry]

or is it a phase of life right now? Because I, right now I'm in the thick and the trenches of like all the different age groups. So everybody has things going on. So I schedule everything to my kids. So I'm like, okay, maybe this is just the phase that we're in, right? Now? Yeah, like, because Lincoln's. Lincoln's getting to the age where we might be able to drop him off at practice soon and leave. Where, like, up until this point, we stay at the practice.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But it's so funny that you say that, because I remember back when you just had Elliot and Lincoln and you're like, no, even if it's not my time, I want to be at every practice. Now you're like, okay, well, I have all this other stuff going on. It would be okay to just drop off at practice.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, this actually reminds me of a conversation I would love to get your thoughts on. So you and I have talked about kids in sports and we've talked about commitments to a team. And if you sign up for a sport, you got to finish it out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

What is your take on a child? We'll use Jackson as an example. If Jackson is on a basketball team. Travel, specifically travel. So it's not local and he gets injured. You've sunk in the money into it. And then there is obviously the team aspect. And then, you know, you should support your team. If he's injured and he can't play and there is a game that's two or three hours away, it's just one. It's not a tournament. Would you be driving him?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I would not. For the soul fact of he's injured. So if he's injured, he's got to warm the bench. He's going to be upset because he can't play. So then I've got to deal with the emotional side of that. I get that. I get being there for the team. But is every game three hours away or this is just like a one

[Kale Lowry]

off because it's travel, it's this specific one just happens to be around the injury and it's two and a half hours away.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I would just say no.

[Kale Lowry]

If it was local.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If it was local, then yes, I do get being dedicated to your team. However, think about how many children that you have. Also think about the fact that you're in the car for that long. You're in the car all the time anyway.

[Kale Lowry]

So it's like, here's the thing. If I was on a team, I was on a team, I played lacrosse in high school. And if someone was injured and couldn't be there, I would feel the same amount of support. If they texted me and said, hey, good luck at the game.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Kale Lowry]

Would not change a thing for me. Well, collegiate or like even high school, when you're like on the Bus with the team. You're injured.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

But, yeah, I just wanted to get your thoughts on that because. Yeah. I mean, there were times where, actually, funny story, in high school, when I was on the lacrosse team, I had to get an abortion while I was on the team.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, wow.

[Kale Lowry]

And I lied to my coach and I was like, hey, I'm actually. I'm going to have something, a procedure done on my stomach. They're like. Like, I have, like, an ulcer that they need to look at or whatever. And he's like, oh, you're not pregnant, are you? And I was like, no. I don't know why he said that. But when I was healing, I still went on the bus to the games afterwards, but I didn't tell anybody what it was. I was just.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

How old were you at that time?

[Kale Lowry]

I got on my 16th birthday, so I was a sophomore.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So this was before you had Elliot?

[Kale Lowry]

The year before.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wow. Wow.

[Kale Lowry]

So, yeah, I say all that to say I still went that week after. I was, like, recovering. I didn't participate in the game, but because it was a busing system, it wasn't asking the individual parents to drive.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I have known somebody. But again, in high school, to be injured, and the mom provided, like, snacks for the team and dropped it off in advance just as, like a. Hey, we're thinking of you. But, like, he didn't go to the game.

[Kale Lowry]

See? But like, even that's great.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I just wanted to get your thoughts because I think different people would have different takes on it. But I think if it was local, I would have absolutely been like, yes, I would agree.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would. I would tend to agree.

[Kale Lowry]

The right thing to do.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, for sure it is. So people have been asking us for quite some time for us to discuss our friendship. And we've been meaning to do it literally the last two times that we've been together. We were going to do it in Dallas and then we didn't. And then we were gonna do it at the content house, and then we didn't.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, but I'm warning you, I might get emotional.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're gonna cry.

[Kale Lowry]

I might.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, you're emotional anyway all the time.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I think that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think my tears don't work.

[Kale Lowry]

Work. Yeah, that's possible.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is that a thing? Alessandra says she believes that I'm emotionally repressed for a reason.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I would. And we talked about on one of the other episodes we did recently about, like, who is more emotional? And I put me. And you were like, this might be worse. That I'm not. I do wanna. I would love to do a full episode or like a semi full episode on our friendship, because I think that our dynamic is really unique. But I also would like to call some things out in the event that anyone ever wanted to potentially try to leak stuff about us if we speak it first. This is Mile. You heard it from us first. Lindsay and I have not always gotten along. We've been business partners for over eight years now. And we have not always been friends.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't take it as far to say enemies. No. But I would say there has definitely been times through our friendship that we didn't even talk.

[Kale Lowry]

We didn't. Each other.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Just recording the podcast. Or we had different business ideas that I'm like, I want this and you want that.

[Kale Lowry]

Whenever Alessandro was telling us about. Because I. I had brought up canceled podcast.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And Alessandra had said that, like, Brooke did interviews where she talked about her and Tana, like, hated each other in some. During some periods. And I never hated you. I've never hated you. But there were def. There have been periods, ebbs and flows in this dynamic over the past. Because if. In case anyone listening didn't know this, Lindsay and I signed business contracts to do this podcast before we had ever met in person. And we met on Twitter. Met on Twitter. So we started talking on Twitter and then signed these contracts. And we didn't know really what to expect.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Which is just really wild to. If you think about it, like, who just signs business? I think podcasting was so new at that time.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That maybe a part of it was like, this isn't really that big of a risk because if it doesn't do anything, then we just, like, go our separate ways. But then when Coffee Convos grew the fan base that it did, it's like, wow, we. We actually have a business. Like, when we went into it, I don't think we were really. Look, yes, like, it was a business contract, but, like, what did we really have?

[Kale Lowry]

We had nothing to lose. I mean, I. I distinctly remember where I was. I distinctly remember how everything went down. We had an agent, which we didn't need, so he was taking a cut from both of us that we didn't need to give. There was like, all kinds of. And I just remember my. My booking agent at the time told me not to do it. Everybody in. I was in the communications major in school. They told me that there was no money in podcasting. And I was like, well, like you said, I don't have anything to lose. I'll just agree to do it and if it doesn't go anywhere, oh well.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh well.

[Kale Lowry]

And at that time I was not really making good on a lot of my words like this. I've talked about this too. Like I would accept brand deals and then like not take them seriously or like I regret that now. We know Lindsay does love a good wine at the end of the day and I never really know what to buy. And Lindsay told me about First Leaf because they deliver premium wine straight to your door every single month. And all I had to do was fill out a quick quiz about my preferences and I literally got it delivered straight to my door. And there was, I think it was like nine bottles.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, I Have a business question for you. Where did you get your domain on wix?

[Kale Lowry]

It was really easy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Was it actually easy or are you exaggerating? No, really, it took like 90 seconds. I even built a full website.

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[Kale Lowry]

BrainIQ throughout this whole journey, there have definitely been periods of time where we did not get along. We didn't like each other, talked each other and then whenever Kristen got involved, like years down the line, she didn't start with us either.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's another thing that I think that people don't realize. Like I see a lot of stuff like almost like people think that she was a third party to coffee combos. And I want that to be very clear that Kristen did not start coffee convos with us.

[Kale Lowry]

No. And we in Fact were a top 1% podcast before she joined.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Correct. And so not to, not to like, like poo poo on her at all and like thankful for what she did in the time that she was with us. However, it wasn't because of her.

[Kale Lowry]

No, it wasn't. We are, we had this for years before she got Here. But I, I didn't bring that up to talk or anything like that. I just say that to say, like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

if we're going to talk about it, let's talk about it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Like, that's kind of where I'm at with it. And like, there were times where, you know, we talk about each other and Lindsay and I would. We have gotten an actual knock down, drag out fights where we were cussing each other out in text messages and threatening to quit the podcast and you know, all kind like. And Lindsay and I, Lindsay and I would say mean things to each other. Yeah. It wasn't like, it wasn't like, we're saying this to so and so and then they're running back and telling us we would say it to each other. So it, it never bothered me if somebody was like, oh, Lindsay said this about you. Okay. She said that to my face three days ago. I don't give a.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Dumb or actually, recently, we weren't even in a fight. And I was. And it wasn't like I'm looking directly at the camera for anyone listening. There was something came up. And it wasn't like we were fighting or anything, but I was like, so and so said this. And you were like, yeah, it was me. And I was like, oh, like, we don't give a. Like, we have fought like sisters. We've not talked. We've had breakups and still podcasted. Like, we've shown up as business partners. We have had very different creative ideas. But through it all, like, somehow, what do you think it is? Because, like, obviously Tana and Brooke knew each other for a long time and were friends before their podcast. What do you think is different about ours versus theirs?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's exactly what I said this morning when we were in hair and makeup, that it worked because we didn't know each other on such a personal level. Whenever we started, it was more like, okay, this is a business arrangement. And then I think the friendship built because of the business.

[Kale Lowry]

What's so funny too. And I don't know if people would ever expect this, but, like, Lindsay and I can sometimes speak for each other in terms of, like, business. Right. Like, one time, I don't know if you remember this, but it was when I didn't have a either. I had even less of a backbone than I have now. And I didn't know how to tell, like, hair and makeup, like, what I like and what I don't like. And we were getting ready for some kind of shoe. It wasn't just podcast. It was, like, content as well. And Lindsay just, like, walked right up to the makeup artist, and she was like, kale likes this, this, this, and this, and don't do this, because she likes this, and this is what we're going for. And she, like, spoke for me because I wouldn't have had. It's something so simple. And so, like, I should have been able to speak for myself, but I never. I've always been a people pleaser. So, like, when you kind of got my vibe of what I liked, and it. Actually, I still think about it all the time, because I'm like, no matter how much we have disagreed, fought like sisters, didn't like each other. Hate is a strong word. But, like, didn't like each other during. Sometimes, like, we've always had that, like, working relationship.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Kale Lowry]

And I have always appreciated that. Or. And this one is, like, a little bit different if I. Because I have gotten to know you over the past almost nine years, and you've gotten way more, I'll say, flexible. You used to be very rigid.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

And so I kind of still hold on to that, because I don't know if, like. So you just go through phases of life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The flexibility will go away.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Or, like, maybe, like, it's a phase where you're, like, going back to, like, a little bit more rigid. Like, we wanted to do a color change for coffee combos, and I went to Alessandra, and I was like, I don't want. Or was it the color change? Yeah, was it the color change? And I was like, I don't want to put this on Lindsay's plate. Like, I know she's overwhelmed. She has a lot going on right now. I want to simplify this and take her to these options. That's way more simpler. Do you know what I'm saying? And so, like, normally, I don't want to take someone's options away from them, but I just have feel. I feel like I know how your brain works sometimes. And so I was like, I don't want to overwhelm her.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If I simplify it, six different color options. That might be what sends me over the edge. You know, that one color change, I'm one. I am one strand away from a grippy sock vacation right now or even,

[Kale Lowry]

like, this trip alone. I'm like, I don't want you to have to worry about going to Delaware or going to LA with me. Like, I will just take that off your plate, and I'll come to you, because I'm already. I Already blocked my week out. Anyway. I'll come to Atlanta. So, like, just making those decisions has, to me, shows the evolution of our relationship. And that's not to say we won't fight next week.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I want to preface before saying this, this is no shade to anybody involved in the entire situation with us, but

[Kale Lowry]

we've been pitted against each other.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like we were definitely pitted against each other by one party. And I feel like Kale and I lost our business touch with each other for a period of time because communication was kind of stopped for us, communicating directly with each other. And I feel like people have noticed a shift, really, since, like, January with our stuff. And I think that's because we are so in communication at this point. And that was lost for such a long period of time with the podcast, like, over the last three years. I feel like that was lost. And I'm just like, okay, well, whatever's on my calendar, I'll just do it. And we don't really need to communicate about it.

[Kale Lowry]

It's like, no, we weren't even having. I don't have to tell you, but I'm more so telling the listeners. Like, we weren't even having a basic conversation about what we were going to podcast about. You know, literally anything. It was going through one person, and then that person was doing the communications. Lindsay and I wouldn't talk. Like, we just did not speak to each other. We didn't hate each other. I'm sure at that time we were talking, but at.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Outside of, like, I never hear from her.

[Kale Lowry]

No, we weren't hearing from each other at all, which is just.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's crazy looking back on it. I feel like when I was living it, it didn't feel crazy. But now looking back on it, I'm like, how did we sustain a business for those. And I'm gonna say three years. Could have been longer. Don't know. How did we sustain a business with no communication?

[Kale Lowry]

It would. Yeah. So I don't know if you guys can hear Alessandra. She said, I don't think it started off that way. It was slow. It was like a gradual shift. And I. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I think it was around the time that I got pregnant with Creed. In my opinion, Creed was born in 2020, and that was the. The first time I took maternity leave, which. I'm putting that in air quotes for anyone listening, because it's not really maternity leave, but it's basically where we were pre recording, so I could have a little bit of time off. With a newborn, I would say that that was the period of time, looking back. Right. Hindsight is 20 20. And that's where I started to. Where I think there was like a gradual shift of like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like you noticed it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And then. Does everyone remember when we took a six month hiatus?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The six month.

[Kale Lowry]

It was six months, right? 20. Around 2020, the same time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like it was close to six month. If it wasn't six months, I feel like it was close. I don't think it was 2020 though. And. And I think that was a really hard time for you in your life from an emotional standpoint and like where you were. But then also for me at that time, I was getting ready to file

[Kale Lowry]

for divorce and we had a lawsuit

[Lindsay Chrisley]

with the podcast and we had a lawsuit and we were needing to deal with attorneys and there was a lot of money that was going out the door. We didn't know what was going to happen. Like, were we going to have a podcast anymore? Were we gonna have to start from scratch? Like, what was going to happen? And I think that was, that was a really scary part of our business. And I, I don't. I appreciate everything that everyone has done for us collectively for the podcast, and I want that to be clear. But also people taking credit for things and, and this is not a single person. This is collectively, collectively people taking credit for things that they should not be taking credit for trying to steal our podcast from us. It felt just very icky, the lawsuit.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel like so much time has been removed at this point. So basically what happened with our lawsuit, And I can't remember that year, I thought it was around 2020, but maybe it wasn't 2019. Maybe essentially the, the situation at that time, from what I can remember, was the contract that we were with, was they could get rid of us as hosts and keep our episode. There's this thing, it's like an IP situation, intellectual property. And they could have coffee combos, podcasts, but with two different hosts, or they could replace Lindsay and it would be me and somebody else, or it would be Lindsay and somebody else however they saw fit. And so Lindsay actually was doing the spreadsheets. This was before Kristen was involved, if I remember correctly. Yep.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And she was just your personal assistant at that point. She wasn't working for coffee. The spreadsheet thing was crazy because again, that was. I don't think really necessarily your personality type changes. Right. But like, maybe I've just become more adaptable. I would say I am probably a type B, but sometimes present as an A.

[Kale Lowry]

Like in terms of scheduling and stuff like that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, like sir. But I think that I have become so much more flexible. But at that time of my life, I. I feel like I was just like trying to grasp onto something that felt like I could have control.

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Switch upfront payment of $45 for 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month. Required intro rate, first 3 months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees, extra fee, full terms. @mintmobile.com When I noticed that money was missing, the amount of spreadsheets and the hours and all the stuff that went into the behind the scenes of everything. And I'm like, okay, well, we're working and we're not seeing this money and we are partnering with these brands and we're putting them on and we're getting nothing out of it. Like, we're essentially working for free. Like, this is a hobby. And at that time too. I don't know if everybody in this room remembers, but there was a trademark filing on the name of our podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

I forgot about that and

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I literally lost my mind.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm like, we else filed the trademark

[Lindsay Chrisley]

for our podcast as if they, they owned or created the podcast. And so that was a really, like, weird time. But I think that was a time that you and I banned together.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, we did band together on that. We really did. And that was hard for me because I really liked them. Like, I really, I have to. I always give everybody their, you know, their flowers. And I think that I sometimes the audience of Coffee Combos podcast has fallen in love with people that I put up on a pedestal. And they don't know the full backstory and they don't know you guys fall in love with people that we put on a pedestal. So I think that. And I put them on a pedestal because I don't want anyone to say, Kale never gave credit where credit is due you. Right. And so when it comes to stuff like that, I get really frustrated because this was a top 1% podcast before anyone got involved.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I think giving credit is one

[Kale Lowry]

thing, but even as far as the trademark goes, you deserve the credit for that. Because I remember being at 51 Thornhill Court in my bed, Chris was next to me and you texted me and said, how do you feel about the name Coffee Combos Podcast? Because we were trying to decide what the name was. Lindsay asked me, did I want to start a podcast. Lindsay picked the name of the podcast. So that was you. Why would anyone else file a trademark on that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And it's like, if anybody was filing a trademark it should have been us. And now looking back on it, like, hindsight's 20 20. Make sure you protect your businesses, you know, to the fullest extent. Make sure that you read the fine print of a contract. Make sure that nobody is taking credit where ownership.

[Kale Lowry]

Going back to the conversation about, like, the maternity leave situation. I was told at that time that. And we didn't talk about it at that time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I don't think we've even talked about it.

[Kale Lowry]

I was told that you were very upset with me about all my pregnancies because I wasn't putting them on Coffee Combo's podcast. I wasn't talking about enough, like, personal stuff. And it's not fair to you for me to, like, put it everywhere else and not dedicate it to the podcast most.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's not true. As far as me being pissed off when you went on maternity leave with Creed, we don't get maternity leave in our business. Right. Like, we can choose it if we want to give it to each other. If I got pregnant, I feel like you would give it to me. If you got pregnant again, I would give it to you. I was the one who said, give her the six weeks so that she can enjoy being off with her baby. She can take time to heal. And let's pre record all of this stuff.

[Kale Lowry]

Stuff I believe.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why would I ever say otherwise? And like, what does it matter where you put something? Because it's all. It's all interconnected. Everything is interconnected. So if you're putting something out there about a pregnancy somewhere else, they're probably going to go, and now listen to Coffee Convo's podcast because you put it somewhere else and see if there's anything there. So that just. That mentally just doesn't make sense. I will say another really hard time in our friendship was the baby mama's situation.

[Kale Lowry]

Looking back, I still see both sides. I see how I did it and I see why you were upset. But to your point, Lindsay and I started Coffee Combos podcast. It was Lindsay's idea and it became very successful. And I think that when V approached me was in 2020. I know that for a fact because I remember where I was when she texted me at 2:08 Bohemia Milpondra life. And I was in my living room and she texted me and said, let's do a podcast called Baby Mamas. No drama. And we could talk about our co parenting. At this point, I go to Kristen and I say, hey, I'm going to start this other podcast. I'm not going to Tell Lindsay about it, because at this point, we are now pitted against each other. And I say I'm not going to tell Lindsay about it because she's not going to like it whether she knows now or she doesn't now. Looking back. Back, I would have rather told you and you'd be upset than for you to not know and be upset.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Because I found out about Baby Mamas

[Kale Lowry]

when it was announced. Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The trailer. Like, when y' all dropped the trailer for that show. And so I just kind of felt slighted in a way. And again, I don't want anything to be taken out of context. I don't hate anybody. I don't want to be ugly to anybody. Like, it's so far in the past that who cares? But I just feel like when we built coffee combos and not really knowing what we were doing, but we kind of had to figure it out on our own, and then from. For someone else, a third party to be able to come in and kind of like, piggyback off of audience that was already built and established, that was just a little icky to me.

[Kale Lowry]

You should have been upset with. I was so greedy at that time. Time to me, at that time, I did not care as long as I was making money. I did not give a. I saw what we were bringing in for coffee combos, and I was like, I don't give a if Lindsay's upset. I need to make this money. And I allowed that. And I was so greedy at that time that I was. I let myself get jaded.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I think, you know, we should all, as friends, support each other's other ventures, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But when someone comes to you and says, hey, we should do a podcast talking about co parenting, when that was a big part of coffee combos, it almost felt like it was ripping it away from our show to put it somewhere else. And you guys didn't talk about co parenting?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, that's what I. We started was when we started Baby Mama's podcast, it was meant to be strictly about our situation and then sprinkling in other people's stories.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I think that that could have been such a successful show, honestly.

[Kale Lowry]

Successful. I mean, it was successful regardless.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But then it was like you guys weren't talking about what the intent that the show was supposed to be about. Right. And then it turned into kind of like, we're going to talk about pop culture, and we're going to talk about, like, things that are relevant in the media, and it's literally like. Like, copy paste. Do you think that you could have stayed in that business and continued to run that show had it gone the way that it was initially intended?

[Kale Lowry]

No, not with everything that transpired personally in real life. For us, that was separate from the podcast. It would have ended regardless. Because when you really break it down, V and I have never co parented. We never have. From the beginning of time. I remember recently, semi recently, I saw a clip of, like, me crying on stage on, like, a reunion, saying I couldn't wish for a better stepmom for Elliot. And I'm thinking back, like, why did I say that when I know what I know?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It could have been the knowledge that

[Kale Lowry]

I had at the time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Kale Lowry]

The last three years have been eye opening, and I have been trying really hard not to be resentful because I am the villain for Joe, I am the villain for V, I am the villain for Javi, I am the villain for Chris, and I. I am the villain. And one of the last things that I said to V was you said to me that you did not want me to be the villain anymore because you know the truth and you've never spoken up. So to me, I'm resentful. I try not to be. It's hard not to be, but. But I am.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Resentment can eat at you in such a bad way and impact your mental health. So bad. And you don't even realize, like, the amount of resentment once. Once it, like, starts seeping in, it can control multiple aspects of your life.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, it's like mental anguish. And then you don't really know if you're making decisions out of a. From a clear mind or if it's coming from resentment.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Surviving the bs.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Surviving the. Okay, so we have some questions. When do you think that we've been the closest?

[Kale Lowry]

I would say we've been the closest this year in 2026.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would agree. But I think also, sometimes people bond together over mutual trauma.

[Kale Lowry]

When we first met, the first time I came, like, the first couple times I was coming to Atlanta, we bonded a lot over some traumas that we've never really discussed on the podcast, just for privacy and things like that. And I think that we bonded over that. And I'll never forget those, like, early moments, those, like, early days. But I think in terms of, like, full alignment, more so now I would. And that doesn't mean that we agree with every, like, on everything. I'm just saying, like, in terms of, like, we're having constant conversations. We're always on the phone. We're texting. We're keeping each other updated. We're sending each other thoughts. There's no There can be disagreements without an argument.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Prior to this year, Kale and I never cold called each other. Ever. Ever. And now it's like I look down and Kale's calling and I'm like, some shit's happened. I'm like, I know this ain't good.

[Kale Lowry]

I know this like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Or she's calling to talk about somebody that we don't like.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would agree that I think that we've been the closest this year again over some joint traumas. I would also say that there have been things that I have been through most recently that you very much can relate to in a way that I had never really experienced some of that stuff before in my life. And I feel like, not that I'm glad that it happened to you, but I'm glad that, like, I can go to somebody that really understands the complexities of those things. And, like, I feel like we relate to each other as moms of boys. Now you have a girl, but I feel like we've always kind of related in that way. I think being divorced, we've related to each other.

[Kale Lowry]

Public eye, reality tv.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, there. There's a lot of relating there. But with the stuff that I've currently been going through and stuff that you're currently going through, I don't know where I would be if I didn't have somebody that I could have those conversations with.

[Kale Lowry]

Because it's one thing to, like, not go through it and listen, but it's another thing when you can talk to someone who has experienced it already. And the complexities of. I know how this will look to other people. Unfortunately, some of the recent things that have transpired, like, I've been through it all publicly, privately, and, yeah, I mean, you can listen to someone and, and not have gone through it. And it's just, just no offense to anyone that, you know, you've talked to that hasn't gone through. It's just not the same.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's not the same. And I just think, like, the other day I woke up, I had taken a nap, and I woke up and I text Kale. And I was like, I just had this dream. And I'm not going to detail what the dream was, but she was like, I actually used to have those dreams during that point of my life as well. And sometimes you might. Might miss something that feels very toxic, you know, and it's a normal feeling. And I'm like, will these dreams ever go away?

[Kale Lowry]

They just started subsiding over the last year, and it's been That's a long time. Five years.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's a long time. I'm like, I don't know if I have five years in me. How can you heal from something that is constantly thrown in your face?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, certain people, certain abusers will find new ways to manipulate you and get into your head, which is just a different form of abuse. The problem with that is that you cannot prove that in court. That side of it does not hold up in court, no matter what. Even if you have a psychiatrist, psychologist, experts, that's just testimony. That's not gonna. It's most likely not gonna sway either way. So you can't do anything about the mental and emotional abuse.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Mental and emotional abuse is a really hard thing to prove.

[Kale Lowry]

That's what I'm saying. Because you're always going to have the. On the defense and the prosecution, you'll have experts saying, one way or the other. Yeah. So that. It's incredibly difficult. And so you just. That's the silent battle. Like, the part that you battle silently.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Silently. Yeah. And it. It sucks. And last night I went and sat on the bed with. With Kale and Ike and kind of disclose some things that I've been going through and really been going through over the last year. And I'm just like, the mental anguish of going through something so heavy and, like, you feel like drowning and, like, to feel like you can't tell anybody about something, and if you do, are they going to judge you for what you're telling? That, like, it is really difficult.

[Kale Lowry]

And I told her this was. It wasn't related to any recent events. It was something separate. And I told her a story about how I went through that in high school as, like, obviously, different time frames, but I went through the exact same thing, and I had nobody to talk to. Like, I had no. How do you tell. When it's something so heavy and so private and you can't tell a single story hole?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's one of the heaviest things I think that I've ever gone through in my life. Like, divorce didn't even touch that.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, when you're talking about your health.

[Kale Lowry]

My divorce didn't touch it. Not. Not at all.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Not at all. Okay, next question. Do you think that the podcast works when you aren't close, or is the content better when you are close or just business partners?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, that's a good question. I think it depends on the friendship.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think the podcast is obviously way better when, number one, we're together.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. In person.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think Kale and I both have Whatever that disease is, where it's like,

[Kale Lowry]

I have a disease, like, where the

[Lindsay Chrisley]

person is, like, not, like, out of sight, out of mind, but it's like X, Y, and Z going on now. Like, I'm gonna put that on the back burner for a little bit.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, Lindsay, that's not a disease. That's object perman.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, what's that?

[Kale Lowry]

A disease? Object permanence.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, yeah, what's that?

[Kale Lowry]

It's not in front of my face.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

It does not exist to me. Like, I cannot tell you how many things I have, like, rebought and rebought and rebought and rebought because I. It's not in front of my face. I think for us, it's that same way. Like, it does make it a little challenging because we don't live in the same state. But, like, yeah, to your point, I. I do agree with you. You.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I do. I think the podcast could work. Well, We've proven that the podcast can work even in hardships or private fallouts or whatever. Do I think that it drastically changes the con. The content? Yes. Do I think that it drastically changes the vibe of the podcast? Absolutely. Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

Can I ask the listeners to either write a review or leave a comment telling us, have you guys ever picked up on when the vibes are off? Have you picked up when the vibe. Or have you thought that the vibes were off? Maybe they weren't. We were acting fine. But you were like, something's not right. Have you. Do you guys, as audience members, pick up on it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I also think that it's fair to say that sometimes the vibes can be off, even if we're not in a fallout or we're not in an argument. It could just be what somebody is individually, personally going through in their life, too.

[Kale Lowry]

I also would like to say that you and I have not fought in a long time. Probably years.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

A long time time.

[Kale Lowry]

But we were. We wouldn't fight, but we also wouldn't speak at all.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, it's just kind of.

[Kale Lowry]

It's my business partner.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do I have to say? You know, it's like, if I've got something to say, I'll just talk about the topics on the podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

Off. Off. I do tell Becky sometimes don't update me on things until we talk on the podcast.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I actually used to be like that. And I think that it's fair to say I used to not like to talk a lot because I'm like, okay, well, we're gonna talk about all of this over text and Then we're gonna get on the podcast. It's gonna be the second time that we talk about it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, and so I kind of liked the. We don't really talk so that we can talk on the podcast. But now I'm so past that. I need a friend.

[Kale Lowry]

I need a friend.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm so past it. I'm like, I don't care what it changes. Okay, so the next segment we're gonna talk about is love languages, and we're go deep dive into that. You said we took a quiz, and we'll post the link to the quiz. But I am not shocked at my results.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm not shocked at my results at all.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I also kind of feel better about myself as a human being after reading my results, because I'm like, wow, I'm pretty well rounded.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel like I am mostly well rounded. It closed out for some reason, but I was acts of service, which I've always known. I've always been an acts of service girls. Really?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is that how you give or receive?

[Kale Lowry]

It was how you receive love. I receive love by acts of service. Okay, what was yours?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What do you think mine is?

[Kale Lowry]

Quality time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, by 36%.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, that's a landslide.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Physical touch coming in close second. 27. Acts of service, 20 words of affirmation, 17. And receiving gifts, 0.

[Kale Lowry]

Mine closed out, so I can't tell you my percentages, but my. It was. My top one was acts of service, and my second one was quality time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just feel like when someone gives you their undivided attention and time, like, nothing can compete with that.

[Kale Lowry]

I want all of it. I want to crawl into Ike's skin.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You want to live on him.

[Kale Lowry]

I want to be around him even if he's not talking to me. I also send him links to all the stuff I want him to buy me. I send him links to all the stuff I want him to buy me. I want him to kiss my face all day. I want him to touch me all the time. I want him to spend time with me. I want him to fill my gas tank and clean out my car. I want him. I want all of the things.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See, I have had to learn. And I don't know if this could be like a oldish child thing with the combination of having to learn to just, like, be by myself. I really enjoy doing things on my own if I have the time to do them. But then I also really enjoy, like, everybody knows that I love everything. Pressure, wash and pristine. Okay. And if somebody wants to come over and get out that pressure washer and go just, like, hit the driveway.

[Kale Lowry]

Yep.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know? Yes. Love that. Is that an act of service?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Or is that a gift?

[Kale Lowry]

It's both.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's both.

[Kale Lowry]

I would say both.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would say both. Okay, so it says. Says, which love language were you raised with versus which one? Which one you actually need?

[Kale Lowry]

Neglect.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Neglect is crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

Starvation.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Neglect and starvation is crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

Doesn't know I ate mud pies.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kill. Like, was it because you were hungry? Like, what did you think the dirt was gonna do?

[Kale Lowry]

Fill me up, honey. That was at 9 Wood street in Honesdale, Pennsylvania.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She remembers every address that she's ever been to.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I also get called a liar every single day of my life, so you're not about to call me a liar when I can remember specific details about my trauma.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, this is exactly where I was when I was being traumatized.

[Kale Lowry]

You can't. I'm not making this up. Like, I can pull out the facts. You know what I'm saying?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I will say the love language that I was raised with was gifts. And it's the thing that I hate most. My parents were always pretty good about, like, with as many kids as they have, I feel like they were pretty good about giving us individual time. Was it quality in the sense that, like, do I really want to go and look at houses with Todd? No. Do. Will I get in the car to go look at houses with him? Because I know we're going to lunch. Yes.

[Kale Lowry]

Fair.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So, like, they would do stuff like that. But also, with as many kids and you get this, like, it's hard to, like, divide your time with that many kids. And my parents are really good gift givers. It's just. I think that I stopped. I think that I stopped liking luxury things because it was attached to, like. Like, a stigma.

[Kale Lowry]

A stigma or like, a maybe.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Stigma is not the word.

[Kale Lowry]

I think what you're saying, like, it. It came with, like. It wasn't no strings attached. It was like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

It came with expectations.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

My mom was the queen. Shout out to boozy Susie Queen of. I picked you up from school drunk. Now you're mad at me. I'll take you to the store and buy you something.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, see, that is not healthy gift giving.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I remember in sixth grade, I wore this pink outfit, was Adidas. I got it from sneaker king in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. She drove me there. Up. Like, up. She was so up. And it was pink Adidas shorts with the three white stripes and then a pink Adidas shirt. I wore it for picture day, and it said Adidas across right here. And it was like a holographic. You know, those holographic stickers. It was like that. She bought me that because she was up, and she's like, I feel bad. I'm up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But do you feel like when you were getting it at that time, I

[Kale Lowry]

was mad, but accepting the gift.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, I get that. And see, I. When I got married, I told Will, I was like, I am really just, like, not into gifts. Like, I want to lay on the couch and I want to snuggle or I want to go on a walk or, like, those types of things I wanted to do. And I'm not necessarily saying my parents didn't give me some of that stuff, because they did. I. I just learned to hate gifts because, yeah, strings. Strings attach. And I've been in other relationships where strings have been attached to gifts.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't really remember other people giving me gifts. I will say that if you give me a gift that I hate, it shows. People will say, oh, it's the thought that counts. You didn't think of me because you don't know me. Me. The thought behind a gift. It is not the thought that counts. That you thought about buying me something. Do you guys already know the d. The diamond tennis bracelet story? Do not get me a diamond tennis bracelet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Would buy Kayin Ray Lowry a diamond tennis bracelet is insane.

[Kale Lowry]

I wanted Justin Bieber tickets.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Now someone Kesha.

[Kale Lowry]

And now I embarrassed you in front of your whole family because you saw it all over my face. I literally asked for Justin Bieber tickets. Like, I was so excited. I thought I was getting them them. And I open this, and I'm like, first of all, you think I'd wear this?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I love a diamond bracelet. I'm not gonna lie.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, that sounds like something that you would like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I'm like, I would like that. I would like that gift.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. I got me a. I wanted. So do you put your butter in the fridge or, like, a stick of butter? Do you put it in the fridge or do you put it on?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, but I know that that is, like, a weird thing, because I go to a lot of people's houses, and they'll just be, like, sitting out. Out by the stove.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was putting. Because I like it soft. So I was putting the stick of butter in the cabinet, and then, like, Tata and Pop up would open the thing, or Ike would open the thing and be like, why is there butter in here? I'm like, because I want it soft. And they were like, kill. You need a butter container for this. Like, get a butter container.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And then you can put it on the counter so it's covered. Because, like, if you sneeze in the room. Room.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Who is sneezing in your cabinet?

[Kale Lowry]

No, in the kitchen. I'm saying if it was out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh.

[Kale Lowry]

So it's like a butter container with a lid. And so Ike got me a butter container, and I was so excited.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Does butter rot?

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, are you not supposed to leave butter out?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. I think that this is a myth.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I need butter out now because I have a container. That's why you're shitting yourself.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, what? How much butter do you eat?

[Kale Lowry]

Not a lot. Salted butter can safely be left out on the counter for one to two days or up to a week. Well, unfortunately, I'm eating it after two weeks.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, it says you can leave butter on the counter, but it depends on how you store it and how long you plan to keep it there. Short answer is it's safe at room temp for a few days to a week for most households. Not ideal for long term storage. Butter is mostly fat with very little water, which makes it less friendly to bacteria than other dairy products. Products. Salted butter lasts longer than salted butter lasts longer than unsalted because the salt helps slow the spoilage. So I guess that's like a preservative.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. I said we run through a stick of butter every two to three days. That's unbeknownst to me. Somebody must be refilling it because I

[Lindsay Chrisley]

thought, what are y' all putting that much butter on when we cook? Like. Like in the pots and pans? Yeah, like you're putting it in there.

[Kale Lowry]

Noodles, toast. Just.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why am I today years old realizing that butter is dairy?

[Kale Lowry]

I actually didn't know that. Also, I'm churning butter. Like, I just thought it was like, lard like that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The fact that I am just now knowing that today is literally insane. Wait, why don't you get fresh butter from, like, the Amish?

[Kale Lowry]

Lindsay, I don't leave my house.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We.

[Kale Lowry]

That would require me to go to the Amish market. Yes. We have Amish markets. And I do love the Amish markets, but that would require me to go to the Amish market. Market.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, okay, so where have you felt the most starved in past relationships?

[Kale Lowry]

In regards the one with my mom.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kill. In regards to love languages.

[Kale Lowry]

Like what?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What love Language and past relationships. Were you starved?

[Kale Lowry]

All of them. I also wasn't contributing. So let's start there. I'm not the only victim here. We were not contributing to each other. I would say that when I was in a five year toxic relationship and my therapist me that I romanticized the sex, it was not as good as it as I thought it was because I was starved everywhere else in the relationship that I would.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Kale Lowry]

I was like, well sex is the only way that he's showing me that he loves me so much so it must be so good. It's I, I have to give it to him as much as he wants, etc. Etc.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But it's more like in a situation like that and if you've ever been in a situation like that, that it's because that's all you can attach to because everything else is non existent. Like the quality time's not there, the acts of service, the what else is there? Words of affirmation.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh yeah, no, none of it was there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But the physical touch was. I can tell you I, I look back on it today and I'm like, nothing about that was good.

[Kale Lowry]

Have you ever been in a situation where, where your friend is experiencing the same thing that you already went through with someone and obviously when you're out of it and you look at back you're like, I was so stupid. And your friend is like justifying, making excuses. Oh, this is how he is. Like, no, he literally doesn't like you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, it's called me and you right now. What do you mean?

[Kale Lowry]

I just am like, how do you not see it? But like I also didn't see it. Like I would cling to every little pause, tiny positive thing and be like he loves me. And people around would be like, no, the he doesn't. Like you're talking about this man like he's God's gift to earth and he doesn't even like you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I think that you have been in a situation that was very similar to a situation that I've been in. And you could tell me until you're blue in the face face, what are you doing? Stop doing it, walk away from it. And until you experience it yourself, like there's some lessons you just got to learn the hard way. Have you ever been in a situation to where you're solely in it because you think you can fix that person and you're like, I'm not even fixed myself, but I can fix the things that are wrong with that person. I've identified what's wrong with them.

[Kale Lowry]

So you can love them so much that they see that they, they realize their. Yeah, yeah, but you can't want something more than they want it. My therapist said twos need twos. 5. Water seeks its own level. So what, you're excited.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I love that analogy.

[Kale Lowry]

I do, too. And I. It wasn't until she said that to me that I was fully able to move on. And it was. It's something that I tell people now because it's something that I really. It really changed my perspective on everything. It's like, what does she have that I don't have? Have nothing. It's that she doesn't hold him accountable. You do. And he needs to be with someone who will not hold him accountable because that's what the. They're. They're good for each other. So when you have higher standards, even if they. You raise them up slightly, you're still pulling yourself down. Yeah. So you can't. Twos can't. Twos need to be with twos.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So Alessandra just sent something that she saw. What is this? On threads. And it says, for some men, losing an incredible woman is a relief because now they can keep being mediocre without the pressure to become better. And I absolutely agree with that. I think sometimes you get into situations where you're like, okay, we're. We're kind of aligned in, like, all of these ways. But then there's parts where you're not aligned and the parts where you need to be aligned, like, you're not being served in that relationship. Right. And so when you get out of it, it. They probably feel a sense of relief on their end because the standards that you have are so high for that person that they can't meet those standards. So it's easier for them to. At that point. And this sounds bad, but I. I don't mean it to sound bad. It's easier for them to downgrade.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. It's the same thing about water seeking its own level, because they're not being constantly. It's the same.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll use men as an example, unfortunately, but it's like the men that are like, she's nagging. She's nagging. She's nagging. She's nagging. Well, because she sees something in you that she thinks that you can raise the bar to and you're not doing it. It's not nagging. It's that we see more potential in you than you're really capable of.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Correct. And I think sometimes until you're in that situation, you don't realize it until. Well, for me, what could have been almost too late. But I feel like that the situation that I'm referencing, I will be very interested to see what that person ends up with. I have another hot take. I feel like there is a healthy level of fighting in a relationship. Like, if you aren't fighting, it's because there is nothing to fight over or for. And I think sometimes when you're wrapped up in a. A relationship with somebody and there is no fighting, you're like, oh, everything's going swimmingly. Like, we're just making it from one day to the next, and we never fight. And it's so good until you get out of it. And you're like, we actually should have been fighting over a lot. There has to be a healthy level of communication within a relationship. And that doesn't mean a fight. It could mean a disagreement. It doesn't make either person wrong.

[Kale Lowry]

No. Yeah, that. That's the other thing. I think. So often couples are in, like, this very surface level dynamic, But I don't

[Lindsay Chrisley]

think that you might necessarily know that you're in a surface level dynamic until you're out of it and you look back on it and you're like, wow, that was really so surface. And sometimes it happens when you get into the next relationship and you're like, wow, this is nothing like that one. And this was everything that one was missing.

[Kale Lowry]

Agreed. Love the insight. I want to soak up the sun. I wanted to. Did you read the first one?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I read the second one.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I'll read. The first one's kind of long. Okay. All right. Foul play. Okay. Do we have sound effects for foul play? No, but we can make them. Let's do s. Let's do Meow Meow. Could be.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

No. About a month ago, I was out for pizza with my husband and our two toddlers. Well, ma', am, that was your first mistake. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. As we were leaving, I felt that familiar, ominous rumble in my gut. I was already halfway out the door wrangling a year old, and decided it was too much of a production to turn back and use the pizzeria's restroom. I've also been there. We live less than five minutes away. So I took a deep breath and figured I could white knuckle it home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

White knuckle is crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

I just on the side of the highway last week and then stepped.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're back to that? I thought we expired that.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought so, too. And then life insurance told me they wouldn't cover me until I went to the GI doctor. But I digress. By the Time the kids were buckled. Lindsay's like I'm not ready to move on from that. By the time the kids were buckled in, the feeling had miraculous. Miraculously passed. Feeling bold, I asked my husband to swing by King Colin so I could grab Dino nuggets and snacks for my daughter's play date the next day. Big mistake. The second I stepped into the store, it hit me again. Full force. I froze in my tracks, terrified that any sudden movement would have would cause an immediate breach. After a few deep breaths and some very concerned looks from fellow shoppers, the waves subsided just enough for me to shuffle toward the meat department. I was walking. I was walking with jerky stiff. I was walking with the jerky stiff legged gate of a woman fighting for her life. I reached for the Dino nuggets on the top shelf. And that's when it happened. Mid reach. The floodgates opened. I froze trying to convince myself it wasn't real until I felt the warmth trickling down my leg. Mortified doesn't even even cover it. I dropped everything and waddled toward the single use restroom. It was a disaster zone. My underwear was a lost cause. It was all over my pants and the smell was lethal. As I'm standing there half naked, frantically trying to salvage my dignity with industrial industrial paper towels, someone knocks on the door. Of course. Of all times for high traffic bathroom. For a high traffic bathroom moment is when I'm disposing of how biohazardous undergarments. Is this because this is crazy?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, like biohazard?

[Kale Lowry]

No, like truly because it's like human defecation. Is it defic? Yeah, right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Defecate.

[Kale Lowry]

I cleaned up as best as I could, ditched the evidence in the trash and bolted. I made zero eye contact with the man waiting outside, but I wasn't fast enough to miss his reaction. To miss his reaction. As the door closed behind him, I heard a violent gagging cough followed by a horrified holy. I retreated in the car empty handed. When I explained to my husband why I was nuggetless and commando, he absolutely lost it. To this day my 4 year old loves to remind me Mommy, remember when you pooped your pants? That's what babies do. Love you both. I've honestly been there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. But I feel like you. You either have to be like one of two women. You either are a constipated like me or you're a pant like you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, here's the thing. Knock on wood. I've only myself in the car are I've never myself when I am like In a public place, in a store or a restaurant or something like that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But what's the feel like? It just like comes over you for me. Like what is. Describe the. No, no.

[Kale Lowry]

Like I've had. I drive over medians to get to a bathroom on the other side of the highway. Because when I tell you it doesn't hurt. My stomach. Stomach. My stomach doesn't hurt. I just know my. My is about to open and it will not clench shut no matter how tight I squeeze.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But is it like a sudden? Like you feel it coming on or it's like a sudden.

[Kale Lowry]

It's a sudden. Holy. I'm about to myself. Oh, I just got tested for celiac disease.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, do we think that it's normal to like.

[Kale Lowry]

I need pelvic floor therapy?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kale, that's your.

[Kale Lowry]

Not your pelvic floor, your as well. Well, the insurance told me pelvic floor for your. Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Maybe that's why my bowels are.

[Kale Lowry]

It does not matter if it's solid or diarrhea. When I have to go, I cannot hold it for five minutes. I cannot. I can barely hold it for 30 seconds. It's out my ass.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's wild. Do you ever on a schedule? No, though I am a scheduled same. Like, I will wake up in the morning if I have Jackson on a school day. I will take him to school, go to Pilates, and by the time I come home, that's going to be my bathroom time. And that's like regular, like every other day occurrence. I don't poop every day. Why are you looking at me like that?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm just trying to figure my life out.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think think you got tested for celiac, so I think that's a good start.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, they want a stool sample. How do you do that in a cup? I said, do I have to do that at the lab?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But like, how do you get it in the cup?

[Kale Lowry]

She like, no do it at home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

How do you get it in the cup?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I'm not entirely sure.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Is it a. Are they like big cups or like urine cups? Urine cups. Oh, you're going to have everywhere bro row. That's foul. And on that note, that's all we have for you guys today. If you have not followed us on Coffee Convo's podcast on Instagram, please make sure you follow us there and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. If you have not checked out Kale's

[Kale Lowry]

tour tickets, you can find those on Kalery.com. don't forget to get your tickets and Lindsay's going to make a pop up at some of these shows, so stay tuned.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Can't wait to see you guys and we'll talk soon.

[Kale Lowry]

See ya. Hey guys, we're back. You asked for it and we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on kaleoury.com and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon because you might get it before everyone else. At first I didn't think it was real. I woke up to this blinding light and I was transported to another place. Pluto tv.

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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