The Baby Daddy Math Is Not Mathing

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: "The Baby Daddy Math Is Not Mathing"

Release Date: April 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid, laughter-filled episode, Kail and Lindsie dive into the mathematics—and emotions—of “baby daddy math,” co-parenting, the realities of motherhood, personal growth, and the sometimes absurd logistics of blended modern families. The hosts openly examine their parenting journeys, relationships with their exes, personal boundaries, and life in the public eye, peppering the conversation with relatable confessions and lively banter. As always, their blend of humor and honesty makes for an entertaining deep-dive into their “non-ADHD” (but actually very ADHD) lives.

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Major Themes & Key Discussion Points

1. The "Baby Daddy Math" Dilemma

• Kail’s hypothetical about new children and her growing family structure
  • Kail jokes about having too many baby daddies:

    “If I was to add another baby into the mix, I wouldn’t be able to enjoy, like, this age right now with the babies.” (03:16)

  • Lindsie wonders if “going back to the pool” of previous partners would make more sense if having another child, or if a donor would be on the table. Both agree: adding more complexity to their blended families sounds overwhelming.
  • They share perspectives on conceiving with ex-husbands for “consistency” in family structure:

    “It makes—to me, it makes sense. But also… we were at Lincoln’s soccer tournament…” (04:47 - Kail)

• Social stigma around multiple “baby daddies” and practicality in choosing co-parents or donors
  • Both hosts agree on the challenges, but approach the topic with humor and honesty.

2. Adventures in Co-Parenting

• The everyday realities and emotions of co-parenting with exes

  • Lindsie describes her co-parenting with ex-husband Will as “not seamless, but pretty perfect,” recognizing how pride and ego get in the way:

    “A power struggle of, you don’t get to tell me what to do anymore.” (07:16 - Lindsie)

  • Kail’s hot take:

    “Once the kid’s 18, the dad doesn’t exist to me anymore. Like it never happened.” (06:11 - Kail, joking)

• Funny family stories and social media crossovers

  • Both trade anecdotes about Will lurking (or not) on Instagram, and the lore that their tours inspired among fans.

3. Parenting Styles & Confessions

• Lying to Get Out of Commitments

  • Lindsie confesses to sometimes faking missed flights rather than saying no to plans:

    “I have booked flights to, like, go somewhere… and straight up lie and say I missed my flight, but I never went to the airport.” (14:46 - Lindsie)

  • Kail reveals her own history of missed flights—and actual missed opportunities:

    “I don’t know why I started missing flights, probably in 2015… I’ve been missing flights for a long time.” (10:38 - Kail)

• Parenting approach differences and negotiations

  • Lindsie talks about being the “run all over me” parent, vs. Will’s more authoritative style—especially tricky with a 13-year-old.
  • Kail sets limits on daily Wawa/fast food outings, teaching her kids about budgeting and value.

• Material boundaries and the “nido” obsession

  • The hosts comically detail their ADHD-driven hyperfixations—currently, collectible “nido” toys—and the negotiations around spoiling kids, blending discipline and flexibility.

4. Technology, AI, and ChatGPT Musings

• Their use of ChatGPT for business and fun
  • Kail shares how ChatGPT acted as a “hype friend” for her marketing ideas:

    “It said, ‘Yes, that’s actually a much smarter marketing play for your tour visibility.’ That’s all I needed to hear.” (20:38 - Kail)

  • Both discuss the weird, random things they ask ChatGPT, from marketing plans to legal questions to AI-generated pranks.

5. Childhood Stories and Reflections on Their Own Upbringings

• 90s discipline and cross-parenting

  • The hosts reminisce about getting spanked or disciplined by other adults:

    “My mom gave Terry permission to whoop me.” (30:08 - Kail)

  • They compare regional and generational parenting styles, including the infamous “go pick your own switch” punishment.

• What They Wish Was Different

  • Kail gets raw:

    “I wish I wasn’t neglected… be a drunk and be present, be on drugs and be present… but she neglected me.” (54:31 - Kail)

  • Lindsie finds gratitude even for hardships:

    “If I didn’t have those hardships… would I be who I am today? No.” (55:16 - Lindsie)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the baby daddy “math”:
  • “Another baby dad sounds insane.” (03:46 – Kail)
  • “Once the kid’s 18, the dad doesn’t exist to me anymore. Like it never happened.” (06:11 – Kail, joking)
• On co-parenting:
  • “A power struggle of ‘you don’t get to tell me what to do anymore.’” (07:16 – Lindsie)
• On creative business planning:
  • “ChatGPT said, ‘That is actually a much smarter marketing play for your tour visibility.’ Do you want to hear what other things I’ve asked ChatGPT to do?” (20:38 – Kail)
• On self-awareness and parent confessions:
  • “I have booked flights… and straight up lied and said I missed my flight, but I never went to the airport.” (14:46 – Lindsie)
• On boundaries and being present:
  • “Perfect day for me is just being at home… play board games at home, watch sports, play basketball outside, not leave the house.” (39:03 – Lindsie)
• On financial boundaries for kids:
  • “We’re now budgeting. People don’t understand the budgets that we—and the restraints that we’ve put ourselves under.” (60:42 – Lindsie)
• On going off-grid:
  • “In a perfect world, if I could walk away… but it’s not that easy. I have seven kids now… but in a perfect world… I would go off grid and still podcast, but for fun.” (64:02 – Kail)

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Segment Timestamps

• 01:50 – 04:18: Discussion around having more kids, baby daddy math, and logistics of blended families
• 06:11 – 08:08: Co-parenting, dynamics with exes, “dad disappears at 18” joke
• 14:46 – 15:38: Lindsie’s hilarious confessions about faking missed flights to avoid commitments
• 20:02 – 21:12: ChatGPT as “hype friend” and business planning assistant
• 30:08 – 31:34: 90s discipline stories, getting spanked by other mothers
• 33:47 – 34:47: Would you want to be famous? Reflections on fame and privacy
• 37:54 – 39:12: What constitutes a perfect day—individually and with kids
• 54:31 – 55:16: If you could change anything about your upbringing—neglect, hardship, and gratitude
• 58:23 – 59:24: Parenting boundaries, spoiling kids, and ADHD hyperfixations
• 66:04 – 69:57: Listener “Foul Play” story: bathroom rendezvous and awkward 911 calls, hosts’ funny takes

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Flow & Tone

• The episode flows like a vibrant, sometimes chaotic, always relatable catch-up between close friends.
• Humor is ever-present, even when the hosts discuss hard truths or personal pain.
• The conversation toggles between heartfelt confessions, supportive advice, and hilarious, slightly self-deprecating stories.

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential slice of "Coffee Convos": part mom therapy, part reality star confessional, part accidental stand-up comedy. Kail and Lindsie navigate the "math" of modern families, growing and blending as parents, and the shenanigans that come with public lives and complicated relationships. With candor and wit, they highlight both the struggles and the deep joys of motherhood, friendship, and independence. Listen for laughs, hard-won wisdom, and a real sense of being “in the room” with them as they keep it very, very real.

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

y', all, it's Lindsay. I just wanted to hop on here really quick before the episode starts and let you guys know that this was recorded prior to any recent events. So if you're listening and feel like something isn't being addressed, that's simply because of the timing. I'm going to be taking the time that I need to process some of these things and handle it in the right way and I really appreciate you guys giving me that space and I just appreciate your love and support more than you know. It truly means everything to me. I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Kale Lowry]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Coffee Convos is which with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Kale Lowry]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kaylin Lindsay all right everyone, Good

[Lindsay Chrisley]

morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Combos podcast. This is also not ADHD podcast because we're both on meds I thought about

[Kale Lowry]

getting a puppy and naming him ADHD, but, like, 80 the number HD, you know, and call them 80.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I thought you weren't getting any more dogs.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I'm not. That's why, like, the idea sounds good, but the reality is not a good idea. Same for another baby, right? Like, would love. I have 12 names on my baby name list ready to go. Like, I wish that I used them, and I'm never gonna get to use them because the idea of having a baby is so cute and whatever, but, like, not happening. I think I talked about it last week or the week before. Like, Javi and I had a really productive conversation talking about moving in the next couple years out of Delaware and if I was to have another baby.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, that would prevent you moving.

[Kale Lowry]

It would just add another layer of complication. And like, when we're. When I'm planning to move the baby, the babies I currently have are about to be. They'll be either in preschool, like four year preschool, or they'll be headed to kindergarten. So it's like, I don't want to then add an infant into the mix. Do you know what I mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, let me ask you this. This is going to be a controversial topic.

[Kale Lowry]

Great.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If you did, like, hypothetical situation, you had another baby, would you go back to the, like, pool of men that you've already had kids with and have one with one of those? Or would you do a donor? Or would you do your current relationship? Because, like, another baby daddy's crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

No, another baby dad sounds insane. I didn't think that far into it either. So also for the sole fact that I do not want to add any more people. But, like, if I was gonna have another, like, it wouldn't be fair to Ike if I then went to the sperm bank, you know, like, that would be weird. So I think it's just best that I don't procreate anymore. You know, Like, I have my hands full and, like, the age that the babies are at right now is so fun and funny and entertaining that, like, I'm like, really want to hold on to it. If I was to add another baby into the mix, I wouldn't be able to enjoy, like, this age right now with the babies.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I get that. So I asked that question because I had a previous relationship that I said, okay, I am. I'm certain that I want another baby, but it's not going to be with you.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, and what did they say? Why did they. How did they.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I remember this conversation distinctly. I was sitting outside on my Porch. And I said we really need to have this conversation because I want another baby and the option is going to be my ex husband.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't think that's crazy. And I've said that before. Like I don't know if you guys remember. I used to say it about Chris, obviously thank God things have changed. But I used to say that about Chris and people would say that I'm crazy, but it was like it makes to me, it makes sense. But also we were at the Lincoln soccer tournament on Saturday and we ran into LOS and if anyone remembers LOS from last podcast tour, he was like the hype man. Security, whatever. He, he's great. And he was telling me how, I think he said he's 36 now and he's like, I really want a baby. He's like, but the relationships that I've been in have not worked out. And so I really want to consider a surrogate with an egg don. That way someone could come in and there's no X to word to it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And I follow someone like that. His name is Matt on Tik Tok and he's a gay man. I think he lives in the city and he opted for a surrogate and a, an egg donor to raise a son because he wanted a child. And I feel like obviously I love Elijah as my kids dads and you know, Javi's a good dad but like I, if I could go back in time and have the exact same kids with a donor.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You and I talked about this on the phone the other day. Yeah. Like if we could have the exact same kid, I wouldn't, I would have the exact same kid with the exact same person that I had the kid with. I, I don't know. And obviously does not apply to you because you have multiple baby dads.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, one's about to fall off because once this, once the kid's 18, the dad doesn't exist to me anymore. Like it never happened.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, wow.

[Kale Lowry]

So I'm about to only have two and two and an ex husband.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's a hot take.

[Kale Lowry]

It's a joke.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's really fucking interesting. I. I'm speechless. And normally I'm not. I will say the more I thought about having another child, I'm like, I just have to go back to the drawing board that I once was at and we've been able to co parent. I will not say seamlessly because I think every co parenting situation has their not perfect, but pretty perfect.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, yeah. Even like the bumps in the road that you guys have Encountered are there was no way to avoid them. Right. Like, all the. The ebbs and flows of Ewing Will co parenting. I do feel like that is just like, still, at least from what I can remember, like a very, like, normal, mostly copacetic.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

A lot of the problems that we have had have been pride and ego and the fact that we're not together. And so I think he struggles that we're not like, making decisions together in the same house. And I struggle with that exact same thing. So it's more like a. A power struggle of, you don't get to tell me what to do anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Type of situation. But would I absolutely have another kid with him if I was gonna do it?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. And I also know pretty much what it's gonna look like.

[Kale Lowry]

I just will know that I follow him on Instagram.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I'm sure he does.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, sometimes I want to reply to the story, but, like, out of respect for you, like, I don't.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't care.

[Kale Lowry]

But like, I. And I've said it before, like, I like Will. He's funny. Like, he's like, at least when I met him, obviously I don't know the ins and outs of Yalls relationship, but, like, I don't know. I feel like he's my friend too.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Will. And I.

[Kale Lowry]

Will's gonna hear this and be like, I'm not that bitch's friend.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, no, he actually does not ever have anything negative to say about you. I really wanted him to see your post of him on the Fathead because I wanted. I so bad wanted the drama for him to say something to me about it, and he didn't.

[Kale Lowry]

And it kind of so bad wanted the drama of him to say something.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It pissed me off. I'm like, why are you so.

[Kale Lowry]

Should I post a story and drag him?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, he got accused by a girl that he was dating, and I. I found comments on Reddit where the girl that he was dating, like, during the tour time, thought that Will was on tour with us. And then you post that fat head photo and it actually, if you're just like swiping by, it looked like he was in the audience. And I was like, oh, wow, is that not so funny?

[Kale Lowry]

That's so funny.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then he said he was on the way to the airport, like, he was going on a trip and I was going on a trip, and she asked him to send, like, photos and to send information to prove that he was going where he said that he was going. Because you and I were just kikiing around acting like people were going to be at the tour. They weren't. Remember that?

[Kale Lowry]

It was funny.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like that was like funny the lore and people were like will's actually back in like the green room. Remember that? You know, so there's that. Wait, remember when I told you that story about I was basically being a predator against will and making fun of him for making fun of him for like not being able to get on his flight? And I was like haha. Like when was this? Remember he last minute. Like didn't tell me he was going out of town. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

He didn't make his flight.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

He didn't make his flight that day. So he had to go to his parents, sleep at his parents house and then try again the next day. Oh well then I get to the airport yesterday.

[Kale Lowry]

Don't tell me you ran into him at the airport.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, he's on a cruise. That man be on a cruise. So I get to the airport yesterday and realize that my flight has been delayed. And I posted on my Instagram story and everybody was like, that's what you get.

[Kale Lowry]

See, that's the kind of karma I can get behind. But what's so funny is like Lindsay, Will would probably never miss a flight. Will's missing a flight. I miss flights like it's my job.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just don't see how that happens. The only time I've ever missed a flight was when I was drinking at PF Changs.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I forgot about that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I missed the flight to Mexico.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And had been there for hours.

[Kale Lowry]

Specifically so you could drink at P F Chang's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Correct.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know why I started missing flights probably in 2015. Like I've been missing flights for a long time because I used to go visit my. She's a good friend of mine, Tony. I think you know who she is. She lives in Vegas. So like when I started we used to go like I used to go see her in Vegas once or twice a year and then she'd come to Delaware once or twice a year. And then that's when I started missing flights. This one's for all our TV lovers. My entertainment from DirecTV gets you 60 plus channels and, and Disney Plus, Hulu and HBO Max all in one pack.

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, well, I have booked flights to, like, go somewhere to do things with people and straight up lie and say I missed my flight, but I never went to the airport. What?

[Kale Lowry]

What? What? Yes. What do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I can't say no. So I'm just like, okay, my karma is I'm paying for this flight and I'm not getting on it. Like, but like, I never went to the airport.

[Kale Lowry]

Give me an example.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, one time I was gonna go and meet one of my girlfriends in North Carolina and I just couldn't tell her no because she was so excited. And I was like, what's the one way I can get out of this? And so I did it that time. Another time I didn't know if I wanted to be in a relationship still or not. And I was supposed to be going to Mexico and I lied and said

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I was really just at home.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay? I mean, harmless lies and then I'm being a guest man.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Another live told was for Chrisley knows best. I said, you guys need to give me a schedule seven days in advance if you think I'm boarding a flight last minute, I'm absolutely not that you give it to me two days in advance. You go ahead and book that flight, sister, because guess who's not going to be on it? Me.

[Kale Lowry]

But you know the best part of that though is that if someone else books your flight in your name, you get the credit for it, even if you didn't. So it's like, thanks.

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[Kale Lowry]

I. That surprises me about you because you're so direct with me. That.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That.

[Kale Lowry]

That really surprises me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I think that used to be like, my couple years ago era, you know, where I'm just like, I'm not really trying to piss anybody off, but I know this is going to piss them off. But, like, how can they get pissed off if I missed a flight? You know, like, one time I actually,

[Kale Lowry]

when I was supposed to have Matt on my podcast in 2024, it was on my actual birthday, March 14th.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You lied to Matt?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I didn't lie. I missed my flight. And there's. Because Birmingham airport is so small, there was no other flights out that day. So at that point, I couldn't reschedule it because I think I was only going to be there for like, like a travel day record and then a travel day. So then we. I literally couldn't go. And it wasn't until, like, the next month or two months. And then I was nervous because I was like, people in this industry are you. You have to get them while you can. And if that opportunity passes, you most likely are not rebooking with them.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And maybe he would have hated you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but he was nice enough to, like, I. I was really upset because I was really excited for that. And then he actually ended up, like, booking with me again, which was really nice.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See, you didn't do it on purpose. The stuff that I did was, like, blatantly intentional. And then I took it, like, such steps further that I pretended that I actually missed these flights, like, on Instagram or I pretended like I had Covid on Instagram.

[Kale Lowry]

How? What do you mean? Like, you posted, like, yourself, like, face

[Lindsay Chrisley]

to camera, just like. And that's like, my feet out, you

[Kale Lowry]

know, missed my flight.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Miss my flight.

[Kale Lowry]

We need to do an episode, like, added value content of us going through our camera rolls.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, God.

[Kale Lowry]

Unprompted. I will show you guys my camera roll right now. And I don't know if you'll laugh or cry.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why is there a ninja Turtle on there? Just, like, so casually. All of my camera roll currently right now are screenshots of me fighting with someone, literally. And then, like, evidence to support my fight claim. Yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

She'll send me the most random screenshots of her, like, in a text argument.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I'm like, I need help.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, did you get the pick?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Oh, did I get it? Kill Lowry.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, this is what I did last night.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Were you on AI?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It doesn't really look AI, though. It looks real.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, this is the original. Let me send you the original because, like, don't with me. Like, you're with me. And I'm literally telling Chat GPT to create a new image of you. Let me tell you something. Yeah. Actually, this is evergreen. Okay. This story, actually, I have two stories. One is ChatGPT, and one is last night. Today. Not today. Last night. I'm on Chat GPT asking Chat GPT to help me create parameters to give away two free tickets to every tour date. Okay. And I'm like, can you create a giveaway with rules where you have to follow the podcasts on this network and then comment below what city you're in or whatever? Right? And then I get. While it's creating this rule, these rules, I think to myself, that doesn't make sense, because one, it's a lot of show, it's a lot of steps, and then it's only one giveaway. So I type into Chat GPT, actually create one giveaway per city so that they're all individual giveaways. Because it doesn't make sense to do one big giveaway and then have all 20 cities people.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, that's too much.

[Kale Lowry]

And it's only one time people get their eyes on it. So if I do it per city, that makes more sense, Chat GPT, I will literally pull up what it said to me the way that it boosted my confidence. So good. Hold on.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did you screenshot this for yourself?

[Kale Lowry]

No. I didn't realize that when you go on Chat GPT, you can like everything that you've ever, ever, ever done on Chat GPT. It saves it for you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, wow.

[Kale Lowry]

So for some people, that's horrible. For me, it's great because I don't do anything weird on here. So I Ninja Turtle request Fatherless behavior tour giveaway, Funny birthday message. Like, stupid. I'm asking Chat GPT so it says, oh, my God. Yes, that's actually a much smarter marketing play for your tour visibility. That's all I needed to hear.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kale said, ma', am, I am now in marketing and pr.

[Kale Lowry]

Marketing and pr. It Chat GPT said that? Yes. That is actually a much smarter marketing play for your tour visibility. Do you want to hear what other things I've asked Chat GPT to do?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. I don't even know how to find my history on Chat gbt, but I Can tell you right now, I would probably go to jail if someone saw it.

[Kale Lowry]

Driving while deaf, huh? Driving while deaf.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Can you.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought maybe it would be illegal because if you put like headphones on or something, I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

So I was like, looking that up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Remember that one time I asked you on the podcast, like, is, are you an at fault accident if you sneeze and hit somebody that is at fault?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it's like. It's like that's basically like a deer jumping out. It's kind of like, you know how some versions of manslaughter are not intentional? I think it's like that. But also, I just remembered looking through my search history on chat GPT tick tock, like the entity tick tock put my 1099 on tick tock? No, no, they sent me somebody else's, which means mine went to somebody else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Now that reminds me. I still have not heard back from their legal team. And Nicole went to a conference with the Tick Tock attorney and said that there is only one attorney at Tick Tock.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

How does Tick Tock have one attorney?

[Kale Lowry]

But anyways, so then I put suing Tick tock for a 1099 issue, because now my Social Security number. So now Tick tock has my 1099 floating around in the abyss and it has my Social Security number on it. So then I asked Sneezing Glitter, can you create a picture of me sneezing Glitter was. I saw an NBA player signed something with the court for child support, where I guess the mom allowed him to pay like $1 million up front, which would be the. The entire child support for 18 years. And I looked it up to see if that was a thing. And like, judges are really apprehensive to do that. Yep. They. Because if the parent then makes more money at any point, the child is deserving to benefit from that in some way. And so I just looked that up because I was like, this is so fascinating to me. Like, I don't understand why anyone would do that. But anyways, those are some of my. Those are my. Some of my Chat GPT searches.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So before I even knew anything about, like, AI or anything like that, Jackson used to be so obsessed with LeBron James. So somehow my dad figured out how to do a video of him, like, talking to Jackson. And I played it on my phone and Jackson believed it for like an entire year. And then when AI like Jackson became aware of AI, he was like, y' all lied to me. Oh, y' all lied to me. And I'm like, we were not trying. We were just trying to, like, bless you. Is that not so sad? Let me tell you about a hyper fixation of what I did, which I had absolutely zero business doing. So before I came here, I was like, Saturday, I'm gonna, like, set time aside and I'm gonna go shopping because I haven't done that in a while, and I really just, you know, need to get out and about. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go do that. I'm gonna pick myself up some takeout, I'm gonna get my nails done, come home, take a bath, get in the bed, go to bed super early, get up, pack, get my shit together, not miss my flight because.

[Kale Lowry]

Or lie about missing your flight because

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I was not doing that to you. Well, I go on my Instagram DMS and I see that there is a lady who is a neato plug, and she has sent me all these videos of all of these neatos that she has. And she's like, well. And in the video, she's like, well, I was gonna save these mini cubes for myself, but I mean, I guess, like, if you want them, I'll give. First of all, that's the first thing that I want. So, like, I need those. Okay. And then she had, like, the ripple balls and like, like all this stuff.

[Kale Lowry]

I want a ripple ball.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I text Kale and I'm like, hey, should we do a neato giveaway on coffee combos? Because we can't stop talking about needles. Like, it's a true hyper joint hyper fixation. Kale's like, yeah, but we're not giving away one of those ripple balls because I want one.

[Kale Lowry]

I said, please get them, but not I have to have one of them.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

$276 later, we are now going to have a coffee combos giveaway, and Kale's going to get a ripple ball, but

[Kale Lowry]

not the two needles right here. These glitter cubes, ice cubes are not for giveaways.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What are those for?

[Kale Lowry]

Sorry.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Kale's going to knock me out. Kale's literally work.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm so sorry. Heavy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I know that could have. I actually have never touched any as many nidos that Jackson has. I'm only allowed to touch the off brand ones. So this is like a first time for me.

[Kale Lowry]

I will say so. The thing about needles is they're not all the same texture. The different needles have different. This is my favorite texture. I got the ice cream popsicles. They're like, you Know those, like, rubbery, sticky things that, like, you can throw and it, like, sticks to a wall? The ice.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like Slappy Happies. Yeah. In the 90s.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. The popsicle ones are at home. I'll bring one tomorrow. That's how they are. That's not what I'm looking for. This is the type of texture that I want. I don't care about anything else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you know, one time Kyle and I got my par parents pulled over, leaving Chuck E. Cheese back in the 90s from Slappy Happies hitting the back window of the car.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, not the worst memory. It's kind of funny.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's kind of like we're about to get our ass beat because our parents believe in spanking. So wait, I threw one up.

[Kale Lowry]

I went to, like, visit one with my friend Lauren in fourth grade, and I threw it. I, like, the mom specifically told us not to do it it. And we were at, like, some place, but we're doing it, and I did it. And I was like, it was an accident. I didn't mean to do it. And she goes, yeah, I literally thought about this last night. How crazy. And she literally yelled at me and was like, yes, you did. You knew what you were doing. And it reminded me of the Dumpling Neato video.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So you're not my parents who don't talk to me like that ever again in my whole life.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, Like, I know you told me not to do it, but keep those thoughts inside.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, when you were a kid, did other people's parents parent you?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like my mom.

[Kale Lowry]

For other people to beat me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

Specifically one time, me and this girl. The mom's name was Terry and the daughter's name was. I don't know, but she was mean to me. She bullied the out of me. What the was her? Alicia. Her name was Alicia. Her mom's name was Terry. And it was like a single mom and the daughter. And we were having a sleepover at her house and we. There was paint in her room to. I guess maybe they were doing, like, painting the walls. So me and Alicia started painting the walls and we got it everywhere. My mom gave Terry permission to whoop me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She spanked you?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh. See, my parents would never allow that.

[Kale Lowry]

Susie wasn't around. Do you know what I mean? But that daughter, Alicia, you were so mean to me. And I hope one day I run into you again. Like, I would just love to hear, like, what your recollection. You were me. You bullied the out of me. So, please, I hope I run into you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

She follows you on Instagram.

[Kale Lowry]

I wonder what her last name is. Terry.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Alicia, that we. That's doxing.

[Kale Lowry]

No. What do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You can't. You can't give a last Name.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know their last name.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, I'm trying to remember right now, so I can.

[Kale Lowry]

Do you ask somebody if I ever talk to Susie again? I'm gonna ask because I want to know. She was so mean to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I don't know if this is like a geographical thing, but back in the 90s in the south, you were getting switched.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, did you go pick your own.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You go outside, pick your own switch, and your grandmother or granddaddy, they ripped that thing, tore the leaves off of it, and your legs were getting tore up.

[Kale Lowry]

Which is so interesting because I feel like in, like, northeast where I grew up, like, spankings and whippings and things like that were also a thing, but not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Maybe it was just like a 90s thing.

[Kale Lowry]

It was more like objects, like, around the house. Like, my mom whipped me with a fly swatter one time. It was like a fly swatter with a shoe. It was a shoe fly swatter. Not like the plastic square. Or she'd put soap in my mouth or hot sauce in my mouth.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, I got soap in the mouth. Like, you had to bite into the bar.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, no. She just rubbed it on my tongue.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, absolutely not. Now I'm being traumatized. So we're gonna get into 36 questions to. To fall in love. The first one, given the choice of anyone in the world, whom would you want as a dinner guest?

[Kale Lowry]

Anyone in the world. I'm picking someone business minded. My. The first. The top three business minded people that I would go.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm saying Alex Earl.

[Kale Lowry]

I was going to say Alex. Alex Earl is in my top three Post Malone. And then also Chris Kris Jenner.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. If I'm going, like, business and I, like, care about my life and my future, I'm going Alex Earl. If I'm going, I just, like, really want to be entertained, and I also want them to sing to me then probably George Strait. If I want to know about a lot of things that have transpired in somebody's life, I'm going Miley Cyrus.

[Kale Lowry]

Ooh, Miley Cyrus is a good one. You know, Alex Earl sold $5 million with her of her skincare brand in the first, like, 10, 12 minutes. So maybe Alex Earl's dad, if you hear this, she probably has, like, a marketing team behind her for that because she did a whole video on Tick Tock going through what she did to Easter egg her skincare line, which I'm like, is so smart because basically we all need to take a place properly.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Easter eggs. We're out here like, throwing shade, Easter egging. And then people are like, y', all, you know what? When I was at the hair salon the other day, somebody was telling me that Kris Jenner started as a flight attendant and that's how she met Robert Kardashian. And I'm like, okay, so do I need to sign up for Delta?

[Kale Lowry]

Honestly, I thought about being a flight attendant before, and it just doesn't sound like anything I would ever want to do. It just doesn't sound as good as, like, what the perks might be.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I'm just saying if we could become. And it kind of falls into the next question. Would you like to be famous? And in what way? Like. Like, truly, this might be taboo and it might be controversial, but I think that Kris Jenner has a brilliant mind when it comes to business.

[Kale Lowry]

I agree.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And regardless whether you agree and align with the things that some of the things that they've done, totally. Okay. If I could be a flight attendant and find a Robert Kardashian, where am I going to school to, like, get it to be a flight attendant? And, like, what airline am I going on? Because I would do that.

[Kale Lowry]

You know who else really, really good business mind who is actually behind skims and good American Emma? Greed.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Really?

[Kale Lowry]

She's. I think she's worth, like, $360 million.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's insane. Number one, would you like to be famous?

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think that fame comes with such a high price that there is no amount of money that would pay for that.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And you could be famous and be broke. Like, you can be famous and very well known and everybody knows who you are and be broke for. So, like, fame does not sound fun to me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know what sounds like really appealing to me is building, like, a. What do they call those houses? Like, like, they just, like, show up. You know what I'm talking about? Like, barn dominiums. Like, building a barndominium on a spread of land and having some ATVs and some chickens. With that being said, not having a

[Kale Lowry]

job, it's so crazy, too, because, like, now with the way that things are in the world, I feel like it's so much easier for people who are famous to not live in California. Where before, for the. For our entire lives, you had to be in New York or LA to be famous, to continue doing what you're doing. But with the times changing, you can literally live anywhere because all it takes is a flight or a zoom call or whatever it is to do to still have a meeting or whatever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So, like, I could Totally see myself now, obviously, Yellowstone. Beth Dutton comes from money, like, all the things. But could I see myself living in Montana, just, like, off the grid and no one ever seeing me? Absolutely. Okay, so before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you're going to say?

[Kale Lowry]

Sometimes it depends. How?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What does that look like?

[Kale Lowry]

Well, it depends if I'm excited. It depends if I'm mad. It depends if I'm crying.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, let's say before you call me, are you rehearsing? Because it definitely doesn't sound like you've rehearsed anything.

[Kale Lowry]

No. Usually I'm stuttering and not knowing what the Is going on.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, hey, so this is what's going on.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know what to do about it. And now I'm thinking of solutions in real time while I'm on the phone with you. So, yeah, sometimes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I will say if I am going to be going through a breakup and I'm doing it over the phone, which is so immature.

[Kale Lowry]

Is it, though? Like, the more I grow up, it's like, I don't know, like, who gives a if it's in person or not?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So I one time was in this relationship with someone that I could just, like, never tell them no. And so I knew that if a breakup was going to happen, which it was, it was going to have to be over the phone.

[Kale Lowry]

So you did it over the phone?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I am not mad at that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Am I proud of that? No. Because I. I feel like I would like to think that I'm strong enough to be able to do that conversation in person and then walk away with the clarity. However, in that specific situation, that was somebody that I could not tell no and needed to probably repeatedly be telling that person no.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. My. If I did it in person, my breakups just wouldn't happen, you know?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Exactly. You would have, like, 19 boyfriends. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I would just be like, all right, it's fine. We'll just stay together. And then I would date somebody else, and then same thing. So it's not really a great idea. Like, whatever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't really talk on the phone that much. Like, I call since December. I probably talked to Kale the most on the phone, and we don't really, like, talk that much on the phone, but since December, I feel like. Like, we just cold call each other.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Which we never did before. Well, we didn't really talk before.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. What would you constitute a perfect. What would constitute as a perfect day for you?

[Kale Lowry]

Ooh. With kids or without Kids.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We can do both.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Without kids. Probably I'm by the pool or a beach and I'm reading books and I'm eating some combination of Indian and Asian food.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

And maybe taking a nap, but. But maybe not. What about you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If it's gonna be, like, constitute a perfect day for me, if I'm at home, then that's gonna be like, I sleep in, I casually get up, have my morning drink, whether that be a Lonnie or coffee.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought you were gonna say like

[Lindsay Chrisley]

a. I get some laundry started because I don't like it just laying around. And I feel like I have to do something that feels somewhat productive and then take a shower, only do skin care, go and get my nails done, maybe go to a massage, maybe grab some lunch out, come back home and go back to bed and watch a documentary.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, that sounds perfect to me. Like, literally perfect.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

A perfect day with my child would be to literally just, like, play board games at home, watch sports, play basketball outside, like, not leave the house.

[Kale Lowry]

Same, like, we could play all the sports at home in our yard. But then also I got these, like, little things from Amazon that have the compartments for snacks to a movie night. Lux and Creed are big on movie nights, so doing the sports and things, board games at home, they grow out

[Lindsay Chrisley]

on movie nights, though.

[Kale Lowry]

I know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I used to do it with Jackson all the time, and now he's 13 and he's like, Mom, I'm not watching Miss Doubtfire again.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, Lincoln will do it, but Elliot is. I mean, he's 16, and he's like, not, like, he'll do it, but it's not something that he picks where, like, Lux and Creed are religious, like, regularly asking for movie nights. So.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's so sweet.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, when did you last sing to yourself?

[Kale Lowry]

I think the opening of this episode maybe.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. Last night in the car on the way here on those scary back roads.

[Kale Lowry]

What song were you saying?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Myself, I was just listening to like 90s country.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I love that. That's a great idea. That actually sounds like a perfect little road trip moment. If you were to. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30 year old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you want?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm gonna be vain and say body.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm gonna be vain and not vain and say mind. Because my. One of my biggest fears is aging. And also I don't want to live to 90, so I would say mind.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, if I was maintaining a 30 year old body, I feel like no person that would possibly want to be with me would give a. If I had a mind.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm just like.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I'm 90, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Like, oh, see, I would want my best. Best frame of mind.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Also I'm not living that long.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Regardless, at 90, I don't care what I know or what someone else thinks about, like where my mind is, but

[Kale Lowry]

I'm thinking like Alzheimer's

[Lindsay Chrisley]

are We talking like low grade?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I mean, my grandma's was full on. I don't know if there's like low, low grade Alzheimer's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, delusional is the, the mind that I'm thinking of like a 90 year old, like delusional woman with a 30 year old body. Sign me the up.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Do you have a secret hunch about how you will die? I'm going to probably be murdered. And I've always said that, you know, I have probably, oh, Yolanda is gonna get out of prison and kill me.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

A secret hunch of how you will die. I used to have dreams that I was gonna drown. And I think that that's why I'm like the most scared to drowned. I've also heard that's like the worst way to die.

[Kale Lowry]

That in a fire. I've heard are though too. But how would anyone know if no one survived it? Like if you died drowning or you died in a fire?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, because I think like dying, drowning, you're struggling with a fire. There's possibility it's like smoke inhalation and you don't. It like disorients you. So you might not really like, know what's going on.

[Kale Lowry]

So you might pass out from smoke inhalation before the burns on your body.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Possibly. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

But could you imagine for both scenarios gasping for your breath, both in smoke inhalation and also while you're like. Because I would imagine when you're drowning, you're probably also kind of in and out of consciousness trying to. Because at some point your body just, I would assume is going to take a breath. So you're almost better off drowning yourself.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I couldn't remember how I used to have problems with my like, smoke detectors and fire things, whatever they're called. Yeah, fire detectors. And they would just beep all the time. Okay, well, I have a confession.

[Kale Lowry]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I took them all down and I did not put batteries back in them.

[Kale Lowry]

I took. One day, I took my carbon monoxide in my kitchen. I took it down because. I'm gonna tell you why. It kept beeping for whatever reason. But I also read a story about how. I want to say it was like. Like a news clip on Facebook or something where this family had the carbon monoxide detectors, but they never went off because those specific carbon monoxide detectors did not go off until the levels were so high that it was too late. So this is everybody's PSA to check your fire detectors and your carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide detectors and see what Level the carbon monoxide or the smoke has to be, because sometimes they will not go off. And it is now too late. And now everybody is dead.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, well, I have a little.

[Kale Lowry]

Does that make sense? Is what I'm saying? I'm not laughing at what you said. I'm laughing about how you said it. And now everybody is dead. So.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

For real. So I just have, like, all these, like, little top parts of the things with no batteries just, like, hanging around my house. That's typically something that I would call Will for. I understand he is not my husband, but he is my ex husband, and so he will be making sure that I am safe whenever I get home. Let me tell you what he did.

[Kale Lowry]

Time out. Before you continue, set your alarm for every time you spring forward or fall back that you change the batteries.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, I'll make sure that I say that.

[Kale Lowry]

Because if it's on your phone, you can reoccur it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'll make sure I put it on Will's calendar. The shared one. Change Lindsay's detectors.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, like, you can put it as, like, reoccurring every year.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, let me tell you about this fight that we got into recently.

[Kale Lowry]

You and Will.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. And it's kind of like piggybacking off of this. So he text me and he wanted me to do something. And I must have just been in a mood because I immediately snapped back and I said, you don't do a thing for me. And he said, lindsay, I changed your air filters.

[Kale Lowry]

I did ask. I had to ask Elijah to do it, too.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You changed my ear filters? That's the last time you did me a favor. They're due again. Sir, that was six months ago that you did me a favor. And I've been constantly doing you favors. So do not call me and ask me for anything until you come and change my air filters. You have set my smoke detectors and my carbon monoxide detectors. And you have also washed out my AC units.

[Kale Lowry]

And do the dishes in the sink while you're there. Also that maybe throw a load of laundry into make it a full day production. Make his time worth it. Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, don't. You don't do a thing for me. Who am I? Who am I? Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Delusional and 90 years old.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Name three things you and your partner appear to have in common. We're now partners.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, perfect. We're. We're now partners today. By the way, we do have to scissor.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Three ways that we are we. That we have in common. I would say we both aspire to Be type A, but we're more type B than we're willing to admit.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That would be correct.

[Kale Lowry]

That would be one, two, we both have adhd. Okay. And three, we love a good true crime murder doc.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That is also true. Another thing that I would say we appear to have in common is that we want to spend all of our time with our kids but also run business.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, that is true. And sometimes we'll just say maybe we should just bring our kids to the business.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. Okay. For what in your life do you feel most grateful?

[Kale Lowry]

I feel so grateful for you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very grateful for you. But that's not the most thing that I'm grateful for. I am grateful for my child's health. I feel like that is something that maybe most people like, don't think about every day.

[Kale Lowry]

Honestly, I, I would say the same. I got, I got really lucky. And this is not meant to be a knock to anybody, but my kids are mostly healthy and like, we haven't had. I have seven of them. And so, so crazy when I. That's goes back to the con where I think about another child, like, I have gotten so lucky to really have. Not that I would love them any. I just don't want anything to be twisted. Not that I would love them anything less, but like, they genuinely have been very healthy and I, I don't have to. I'm just thankful for that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just, I couldn't imagine. And the parents that have sick children or have a child that was born

[Kale Lowry]

sick, like, what they go through. And the other thing that I'm most, most, most thankful for, and this is. I hope it doesn't sound out of touch, is my house. Because, I mean, I'm as, as much as we have outgrown it, size wise, I'm still thankful to have a roof over my head and to have gotten a start to be able to build a house and to. Like, I don't. In theory, I really don't have to move. I don't have, like, if I, if I couldn't do it, I couldn't swing it. Didn't have the money for whatever reason. It was like, I have a house to live in that we're happy in some ways. Like, I think it's fine if we couldn't move.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Right.

[Kale Lowry]

So I'm really thankful to have my home because that's, you know, there are people who really are struggling and they don't have a house or, you know, they might have a lot of kids and they're in an apartment, you know, and that Sucks. Like, I, I, I remember being there. I remember making, not having a washer and dryer and having basically the closet size space for enough for Elliot's crib to fit in when I was in my first apartment. And I just remember having to go lug everything with him to the laundromat. I couldn't imagine doing that with, like, more children or not having. And it's not really because of the parents. It's just because of society and the economy and everything else. So I'm thankful for my home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I will say I have become more thankful of, I don't know, necessarily the things that I have. The life that I've been blessed with, I guess is probably the better way to say it. Since December and all the things that we've gone through, like, the level of gratitude that I have, have today looks very different than what it looked like a year ago.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, Rebecca and I have cried together where it's like somebody else would fight for the problem. Even you guys know what I'm going through behind the scenes. Every, you know, every day, somebody else would fight to have this life in this problem. Like, if this was their biggest problem, they would, they would be thankful. And so, like, I keep trying to reframe it, like, okay, every time. Me and Rebecca mainly means, like, like, starting to spiral. She's like, we're going to get through this. It's just going to take some time. And so for those reasons, like, really thankful.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But problems are relative to every person's life. Right? So, like, what could be a big problem to one person, somebody else might have a greater capacity to be able to deal with it. It also deals with, you know, capacity of, of your ability to be able to deal with that stuff. So something you have spiraled sometimes over the last couple of months. And I will listen to some of the stuff you're saying, and I'm like, we're just gonna get out of this. We're gonna be fine, whatever. But that doesn't change the fact that you feel like, oh, my God, I'm spiraling and my life is over.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. No, 100%. It's just, it's crazy when you really think about it and put yourself in other different, like the different perspectives.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I didn't do that a year ago.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I wasn't doing that a year ago.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

a really good one. If you could change anything about the way that you were raised raised, what would it be?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh package. I wish I wasn't neglected. Like that is the one thing like okay, if my mom had her vices, right? She has her struggles and her things but like be a drunk and be present, be on drugs and be present. Like I ju I really think that if she would have handled it better and was like present with me me I would have a different level of respect. But it was that she had these vices and she neglected me. And so I think that's why I struggle with her. Specifically when I think about like my dad and stuff like that, it's like okay, obviously wish that I had a relationship with him but I think overall if I just wasn't Neglected by my mom, I would be. I would have been less worried about my dad.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

For me, there would be a lot of things that I would probably change. However, at the same time, I look at it from, like, a bigger, like, broader scope, and I'm like, okay, well, if I didn't have those hardships or I didn't go through that stuff, or I wasn't raised that way, would I be where I am today and who I am today? No. So then I struggle with not being grateful for the raising. Not that I would raise my child in the same way that I was raised, but I do think that there are some benefits of facing the adversity too.

[Kale Lowry]

I was going to bring that up, and I think we've talked about it before, but I do get. We have talked about it before. There is a fine line when you having kids, because it's like, I want them to face some adversities. And I know that sounds counterintuitive, but, like, you're not gonna have the resilience or the grit or the character building if you don't face adversity. And so I think it's just kind of all about how you teach your kids to handle it is like, you initially, you want to jump in and, like, save them from it, but then also you kind of have to let them, like, feel the feelings and, like, go through it. Like, you know, one of my kids was going through it over the last couple weeks and. And I sat down with him just one on one, and we talked about it and I just listened. And it's like, I can't save you from this stuff. This stuff that you have specifically named out and listed are things that I cannot help. And I didn't say this explicitly to him, but I'm thinking to myself, like, like, I can't help you with these things. And while I obviously don't want to see him go through the heartbreak, I also know that, like, it's going to make him stronger. And at least it's not him not being fed or him not seeing both of his parents or. You know what I mean? Like, they were.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The needs are met. The wants just might not be correct. And I think for me, I only have one. And so that is my entire world, where your world is seven. Right. And it makes it so hard for me because, number one, Will and I parent very differently. I've said he's more of authoritative parent. I'm more of a run the fuck all over me, just don't kill me. And that has bitten me in the ass more probably within the last year of him turning 13. And I understand Will way more, honestly, within the last year of the way that he parents him versus the way that I do. But at the same time, I think there's space for both.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And it's really hard when your kid's asking for, like, freaking needles, and you're like, okay, I can afford a needle. And Will's like, yeah, Lindsay, but one nido. You don't need to give him 25 nidos. I'm like, yeah, I know, but I'm ADHD and so is he. And it's like a hyper fixation. And, like, we have to go online into the black market and, like, the deep dark web. And same, like, those are the issues that. And it's like, are we creating bad humans by doing that stuff? My argument would be, they're only a kid once. But I know that's not necessarily a valid argument because it is somewhat out of touch

[Kale Lowry]

there. That's a conversation that I would love to talk to an expert about because it is one of those things where it's like, I think it's gonna go off of the kid's personality, the upbringing, the structure outside of all the needles, like, things like that. It's like, are they being held to commitments and are they being disciplined in other ways? But we're still also, like, feeding into, like, is there room for both?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Right?

[Kale Lowry]

And I think there is just like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think there's room for both. But you have to find the happy balance between the both. So it can't be an extreme one way, an extreme the other. You have to find that middle ground somewhere.

[Kale Lowry]

Agreed.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I think that I've struggled with that a lot because, again, I only have one. So I'm like, oh, well, I'll just clean up the mess or I'll just do whatever, you know, I'll make sure his backpacks in the car. Yes, you can get Chick Fil a for breakfast every morning. Like, unrealistic. And Will's like, nope, buddy, I went and bought eggs this week, and I don't care if you like an egg this week. You're having an egg this week.

[Kale Lowry]

That's what I did tell the kids over the last couple weeks. I'm like, we've been going to Wawa every single morning. And then the kids are starving after school. So then we'd go get fast food right after school, and then they would still eat dinner. And I'm like, I told the kids, I said, we're not doing this. You there's free breakfast offered at school. School. Or you can eat at home. I said, I'm not. But because every single trip to Wawa, and usually it's just Lincoln, Lux and Creed, or just Lux and Creed, because sometimes Lincoln goes to school first, But I'm like, 25, 35. Five days a week. It adds up. And then we're going to get fast food after school. We're not doing that anymore. Do I have the means to do it? Yes. Do I think it's. So then my kids started saying, are we not going because you don't have any money? And I'm like, no, I just want to be able to use this money for other. I want to. You want to go to the movies? It costs $100 for me to take the kids to the movies.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's so funny that you say that, because Jackson's made a statement like that to Will before. Like, oh, you just don't want to spend money on me. And he's like, no, I'm just choosing not to. It's not because it's not there. It's because we're not doing it.

[Kale Lowry]

No. And that's what I told them. I'm like, you guys, we've gone to the movies three times in the past two months. It's a hundred and fifty dollars or more between tickets, snacks, all the things. Gas, to get up there. It's 35 minutes from my house is the closest one. So, no, if you guys want to go to the movies, we are not doing this every day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We're now budgeting. Like, people don't understand the. The budgets that we. And the restraints that we've put ourselves under. You know, Kale, you know what we need to do? We need to hire somebody like a Nanny McPhee.

[Kale Lowry]

Remember that show to come in.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wasn't it called Nanny McPhee? Yeah, to come in and we'll hide, camera us and put all of our children in one house, and maybe they'll learn chores and be very appreciative of us.

[Kale Lowry]

No, genuinely, because Lux said to me. I think it was Lux or Creed. One of them said, well, just. I said, I'm not spending money. And he goes, just put it on your card. What the do you know about a card? And you don't understand that you have to pay the card off. The card isn't just endless amounts of money. So, like, this is a really good. I mean, Elliot. Elliot's taking advantage at this point because he's like, I'm spending your money as long as I can. So, like, he'll ask me, do I. If. If I want this, will you buy it or do I have to buy it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And like, some things, I'm like, well, I'll go half or I'll do whatever. I'll get this for you. But you have to buy the net. Like, that kind of thing. Lincoln is at the age where he's like, I mean, he's 12, but the other ones, like, they genuinely don't understand that things cost, like, literal dollars. And then you have to work to make those literal dollars, but then you have to take, like, it's a lot.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Alessandra turns into Nanny McPhee.

[Kale Lowry]

Alessandra is hired right now to whip the boys into shape, figuratively, not literally. And so, I mean, Elijah is very strict. Like, he does. He takes no. So I'm not worried about the little ones at all.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, I could see that.

[Kale Lowry]

I am not worried about them. It's if they say what to me, like, I FaceTime them on the way here. And I said, where's my Wally girl? And she said, what? And he goes, oh, no, ma', am. Try that again. And she goes, yeah, guess she's 2.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, Will is very much like that with Jackson and I. I don't know if it's a Southern thing or if it's a northern thing or just a specific type of raising, but if Jackson whats me like, he wanted me on Will Shrimp Porch past Thursday. And Will said, come again? He said, yes, ma'. Am. Okay, the last question on this segment. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ab, what would it be?

[Kale Lowry]

I think it would be not to bring it back to budgeting, but, like, to think about thing, like, do I really need this? Do I really need to buy this? Like, I've gotten so accustomed to paying for convenience.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

That I. I wish that I could wake up one day and decide I don't need other people for this. I can do this myself to save myself my money, basically.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So funny that you say that because do you ever, like, talk to yourself every day. And it's like, sometimes not just in your head, like, out loud. I'm having conversation with myself.

[Kale Lowry]

Mike will be like, what did you just say? And I'll look at like, first of

[Lindsay Chrisley]

all, I wasn't talking to you.

[Kale Lowry]

Did I say it out loud? And he's like, yeah, first of all,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to me. I said literally, I would go off the map, but, like, still have the podcast and, like, still see you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I would move to a completely different location, like, restart my life and be such a minimalist that I basically had nothing.

[Kale Lowry]

In a perfect world, if I could walk away, like, still have the podcast community, but walk away from, like, living my entire life online. If I could walk away. But it's not that easy. I have seven kids now, and there's no job in this world outside of what I do right now that would allow me to provide for my children the way that I do. And so for that, I'm so thankful for. But in a perfect world, if I could. If I hit the lottery and I didn't have to live my life online anymore, I would also go off grid and then still podcast, but for fun.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, it wouldn't be like a, I'm doing this because it's my job. It would be more of like a, I love to do this. I love the community, and then put nothing else online.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I do feel like it's fair to say, though, that we have had more fun doing the podcast since. Since December.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Than we have in years.

[Kale Lowry]

We've had so much room for creativity. Now we have ideas turning. We have things happening. We have tour come. Like, it's just been. It feels like we're more of a girlhood, more of, like, women supporting women. And Rebecca said that to me. She was like. It just feels so much more supportive.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And like, everybody. It's so weird how some of the same people are here who have been here, but now it's like, everybody gets along so well, and the respect is just there. I love that I would truly go off the grid as long as I could have my child with me. Off the grid, living a minimalist life, my ex husband relatively close. I would just do the podcast and see, like, this girl gang whenever we could see them and just do that. Because the only thing I care outside of, like, my personal life is the podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

Same. But it would be less pressure.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I might, you know, just have, like, a. A mic and be out fly fishing

[Kale Lowry]

and, like, oh, is Ike taking you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Y' all will be going with me. Yeah, I'll be. I'll be with Ike. Like, fly fishing. Just having a good old time.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Drinking a white claw.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes, ma'. Am. On that note, we have foul play.

[Kale Lowry]

Hi, Kayla and Lindsay. I have quite the scandalous foul play story for you. You. Back in 2018, I was working in the service industry, and I had a huge crush on my boss. Oh. We were pretty good friends, but flirted a lot. So I had the feeling, but we were pretty good friends but flirted a lot, so I felt the feeling was mutual. Mutual. One night we both had off work, so he invited me to a driving range that also had a bar.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is this with golfers that invite girls to the driving range into the bar? I know somebody like that.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know because we don't have a driving range around here that I know of of. So I don't know people like this. After he taught me a couple of golf moves, we go sit at the bar where the drinks were going down smoothly. I excused myself to go to the bathroom and saw that it was one person in the bathroom instead of multiple stalls. I was feeling pretty bold, frisky, and frankly, a little bit drunk. So I texted my boss asking him to meet me in the bathroom. He knocked on the door and when I opened it, immediately jumped on him and we started making out, which then ultimately led to me being bent over the stage sink. We returned back to our seats at the bar and I'm trying to be nonchalant, of course, but I'm giggling. The bartender gives us a look and says, I'm not dumb. I know what just went on. After one more drink, we decided to leave and go sit in his car and talk for a bit before I called my Uber. Well, talking turned into more hooking up and we reclined the passenger seat and he laid and he laid down and I was on top. We were having a pretty good time until all of a sudden we hear this loud alarm sound. Did you know the iPhone has a feature where you can call 911 when the phone is locked? I did not. And that's how I found out. I must have been kneeling on my ph while I was riding him. It dialed before I could turn it off and I stupidly hung up. Of course, the dispatcher called back and I had to explain that I accidentally dialed and that I was okay and there was not an emergency. And since that was a mood killer, I decided to call my Uber and go home. My boss ended up getting a different job and we did date for a couple of years, but ultimately it didn't work out. But this gave us a good laugh and memory to reminisce on during our time together. Love you girls and the podcast. Thanks for being you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, I have a couple a couple things to say on this. Number one, someone tried to get me to them in the bathroom of a bar. Like when we both have homes. Why are we in the bathroom of a bar? Number one. Number two, at this Point of my life. I don't know how old this girl is, but at 36 years old, I am not dating a guy for years. Like, you either know that we're doing this, this or you're not. Number two, the only time I've ever been frisky and had sex. Not in a car, but unfortunately it's much trashier than in a car. It was on the back of a truck bed with my ex husband.

[Kale Lowry]

That is not trashy. That's romantic and cute and sometimes you just do things like that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That is not romantic and cute. And I also was pregnant when that was going on as well, so there ain't no nothing cute about that. That. I just, I don't understand why as grown adults, we're like in the bathroom.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, I conceived Lux in a vehicle, so it's like. And I was a full blown adult, like 25 years old. You know what I mean? So, like, I resonate with this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I get it, but it's like you're spontaneous. I would like to go home and we can be spontaneous around the house.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. I mean, I'm 34 now, so that I'm aligned. But this was probably years ago. She was probably having the time of her life.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, like gone out and played golf and you got a little frisky because you felt my hips move. And then you think we're going to the bathroom and you're bending me over a public sink where everybody's washed all the funk off of them and you're me. No, no. That screams like, I'm about to have bv.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know what I mean?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, for sure. But I mean, I love this story for her.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I love it for her and I love it wasn't me. On that note, we're gonna go and play with our needles and make some TikToks. If you guys have not followed the podcast on Instagram, you can do that at Coffee Convos Podcast. Please join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. If you have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app, wherever you get your pods, always first at Podcast one. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Kale Lowry]

Buy your tour tickets. See ya. Okay, guys, we're back. You asked for it. And we're delivering. Killer is going on tour. We're super excited for the fatherless behavior tour. 23 cities, three countries, all in one summer. And you guys can check out tour dates and see if we're coming to a city near you on klow.com and if you want early access to information and announcements, head over to Patreon, because you might get it before everyone else.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Kale Lowry]

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