Unmedicated anxiety, Duck Hunters & Cheating Spouses

Summary

Coffee Convos Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley
Episode Title: Unmedicated anxiety, Duck Hunters & Cheating Spouses
Date: January 22, 2026
Hosts: Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Kail and Lindsie diving into a candid and highly personal conversation about their lives, from their evolving relationships with ADHD medication, to reflections on brand deals, binge-worthy documentaries (including tales of murder and fraud), viral TikTok food trends, and tales of sex, dating, and “foul play.” The show maintains its signature blend of honest banter, relatable experiences, and a sprinkle of reality TV and social media drama.

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Main Discussion Segments

1. Brand Deals: Regrets and Lessons Learned

• Early Years of Brand Sponsorships
  • Lindsie reflects on not taking brand deals seriously during her early reality TV fame (03:10):

    “I wish that I took them seriously. I wish that I would have put more effort and time into them. But I did not know what it was at the time.” – Lindsie (02:08-03:10)

  • Kail shares she’s always been more of a perfectionist, approaching sponsorships with care (03:10–03:51).
• Product Recommendations
  • The hosts swap Fabletics and Cozy Earth bedding recommendations, adding anecdotes about holiday mishaps and family favorites (04:43–06:23, 12:22–12:39).

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2. Living With (or Without) ADHD Medication

• Struggles and Stigmas
  • Both share their diagnoses and experiences. Lindsie talks about how her upbringing discouraged medication, feeling forced to cope without help (16:22–17:12).
  • Kail discusses how hard it is in Delaware to get ADHD medication; switching doctors is a regulatory nightmare (14:59).
• Personal Experiences: Productivity vs. Authenticity
  • Kail expresses ambivalence, loving the productivity but missing the feeling of “being herself” off meds (09:50–10:59).

    “It feels like a task to do it. And I don’t necessarily love the way that I feel when I’m on it...I just don’t like the feeling of being medicated every day.” – Kail (09:50–10:15)

  • Lindsie finds medication transformative for organization, mood, and control, especially after having gone long periods without it:

    “I don’t know how I’ve been operating this way for so long because once I was medicated...I feel so much better about my day to day.” – Lindsie (11:02–11:40)

  • They discuss strategies: tracking symptoms, the realities of “holiday drugs,” and how mood/emotion changes. Lindsie urges documentation (18:41–19:10).
• Relatable Challenges
  • Medication side effects: forgetting to eat and drink water.
  • Relationship talk: Lindsie mentions both she and her ex only got properly diagnosed and medicated after their divorce—and how both now thrive in different ways.

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3. Documentary Deep Dives: Duck Hunters, Murders, and Fraud

• True Crime Fascination
  • Kail recounts watching shocking Hulu documentaries, especially about a duck hunting “murder for life insurance” involving best friends, missing bodies, and twisty cover-ups (22:19–25:17; 23:38):

    “Come to find out the other husband was sleeping with the other wife...he was an insurance agent...when [her husband] had been missing long enough, they were able to get the life insurance money from the multiple policies—and then they got together, got married, and live off that.” – Kail (23:38–24:28)

  • Discussions spiral into debates over whether “getting away with murder” is still possible with today’s technology (CCTV, phone pings, etc.) (25:17–30:20).
• Safari Murder Story
  • Lindsie shares the wild story of a dentist who shot off his own thumb (insurance fraud), later murdered his wife on a safari, and still collects $30k per month in insurance while in prison (31:23–36:01). The hosts debate: Would they sacrifice a thumb for $30k monthly?
  • Kail, joking:

    “You’re not even going to use a wet wipe. Like that’s not even sufficient enough either. Like you need to take a full blown shower.” (76:32)

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4. Viral Pop Culture & Social Media Drama

• Hilary Duff, Ashley Tisdale, and Toxic Mom Groups
  • The hosts break down the “toxic mom friend group” drama: Ashley Tisdale’s online article, social media back-and-forths involving Hilary Duff and her husband, and the complexities of adult friend groups (38:34–45:13).
  • They reflect on keeping personal life private vs. airing grievances online, and how friend-group drama naturally happens but gets amplified in the public eye.

    “A lot of people cause their own toxicity...because it’s the way that they look at things.” – Lindsie (42:49–43:25)

• Redemption Stories: OnlyFans to Amish
  • They discuss a former OnlyFans model who left her career to join the Amish (49:10–51:40), debating why some celebrities get “second chances” and discussing the phenomenon of “extremes” in public redemption arcs.

    “When we’re going from one extreme to the next, is there healing being done? ...I don’t believe in extremes.” – Kail (50:40–55:50)

• TikTok Trends
  • Kail asks about the viral “sweet potato, cheese, and onion cup” teacher lunch trend, marveling at TikTok’s power to make quirky food viral (62:08–65:14).

    “It’s so crazy that...people are releasing content like this and going viral on TikTok over a sweet potato.” – Kail (65:00)

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5. Relationships: “Right Person, Wrong Time?”

• Listener Question: Getting back with the ‘right person at the wrong time.’
  • Lindsie shares openly about breaking up and reuniting with her partner David, describing time apart as necessary to heal, self-grow, and repair their foundation (67:54–69:06).
  • Kail discusses how repeated breaks and too much damage can make relationships unrecoverable (70:23–71:43).
  • They touch on the importance of not oversharing with friends, since that can make reconciliation harder:

    “It took me too long to stop involving other people in my relationships...everyone else will still have their grudges and feelings about that person.” – Kail (71:47)

  • Wise words from Lindsie’s grandmother:

    “Be careful about what you take outside of your house, because at the end of the day, you have to lay with that person. No one else does.” (72:20)

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6. Foul Play & Humor: The “Explosive Diarrhea” Story

• Listener Submission: An epic one-night-stand gone wrong when the guy gets “explosive diarrhea” mid-hookup. Hilarity ensues as the hosts highlight the ultimate “ick,” setting hard lines on post-bathroom intimacy (74:04–76:43).
  • Kail:

    “You’re not getting off the toilet and immediately coming to try to have sex with me. That’s not...Your dick was in the toilet!” (76:00)

• More Over-Sharing
  • Kail candidly shares a story about being sick and intimacy boundaries, with both hosts discussing “the ick” and bodily function mishaps in relationships.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Highlight | |:---------:|:-------:|:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:08 | Lindsie | “I wish that I took them seriously. I wish that I would have put more effort and time into them.” | | 09:50 | Kail | “It feels like a task to do it… I just don’t like the feeling of being medicated every day.” | | 11:02 | Lindsie | “I don’t know how I’ve been operating this way for so long because once I was medicated… I feel so much better…” | | 23:38 | Kail | “…the husband that went missing had multiple life insurance policies…and then they got together, got married, and live off that…” | | 50:40 | Kail | “When we’re going from one extreme to the next, is there healing being done?” | | 65:00 | Kail | “It’s so crazy that...people are releasing content like this and going viral on TikTok over a sweet potato.” | | 71:47 | Kail | “It took me too long to stop involving other people in my relationships...everyone else will still have their grudges…” | | 74:04 | Listener | “He gets up and you guys, I heard things I wish my ears never heard. This man had explosive diarrhea…” | | 76:00 | Kail | “You’re not getting off the toilet and immediately coming to try to have sex with me...Your dick was in the toilet!” | | 72:20 | Lindsie’s/grandmother | “Be careful about what you take outside of your house because at the end of the day, you have to lay with that person. No one else does.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Brand deals & sponsorships: 02:08–06:23
• ADHD med talk: 07:55–21:19
• Documentary true crime (Duck hunters, Safari Murder): 22:18–36:01
• Pop culture: Hilary Duff/Ashley Tisdale, OnlyFans to Amish: 38:34–56:06
• TikTok/food trends: 62:08–66:42
• Listener Relationship Q&A: 67:54–73:19
• Foul play (listener gross-out story): 74:04–77:55

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Final Thoughts & Tone

The episode is a quintessential Coffee Convos mix: irreverent, deeply honest, and laced with humor—especially about bodily functions, relationships, and everyday chaos. Kail and Lindsie’s unfiltered dynamic is on display, offering comfort, laughs, and genuine advice on everything from mental health to avoiding the ick after a bathroom mishap. Their candid takes on friendship drama, personal growth, and modern motherhood are as entertaining as they are relatable.

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Note: All timestamps are approximate and based on the episode's transcript. Ad reads, outros, and non-content chatter have been omitted for clarity and flow.

Transcript

[A]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[B]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[A]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels.

[B]

Kale, that does not interest me whatsoever.

[A]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[B]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[A]

Here's Kale and Lindsay. Morning, kitty cat.

[B]

Oh, we're recording. Hi. Good morning. I got my 8 year anniversary mug with coffee. For my coffee combo.

[A]

I'm wearing the eight year anniversary Bamboozlers. We've been bamboozling the fuck out of people for eight years.

[B]

And if anyone's wondering, this cute little knitted sweater with the hood is from quints. I got an order yesterday and I did a try on haul so that was really exciting. You were going to tell me something. What was it?

[A]

Yeah, but before I tell you, my entire outfit is Fabletics.

[B]

Exciting. Love. Oh, I got that set, that red set that you're wearing. I got it in black.

[A]

It's so cute. I love it so much. I'm. I've become a Fabletics girly. And I'm so excited that they are now sponsoring Coffee Convo's podcast. I feel like I hadn't seen them around in forever. And David's favorite joggers come from Fabletics Lincoln's too.

[B]

I had ordered him like mail the mail line and it was these joggers and he literally was like, mom, can you get me more of these? But the way Fabletics works is that they have like basically capsule collections at certain times, so I couldn't find them. I am keeping my eye out for them now, especially because they sponsor the podcast. While we're on the topic of Fabletics, I need to say this because I was trying to tell Ike about this like a while ago because he's new to all of like this social media world and brand deals and sponsors and things like that. And I don't know if you were like this, but when I was on Teen mom in the beginning years and brand deals started to become a thing because of Instagram.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I would get offered brand deals left and right and I'm talking thousands of dollars. And I never took them seriously in the beginning, like had a booking agent for that type of thing. But like he would be harassing me and hounding me to get the content and I never really took them seriously. Like I did them here and there and like I would get the brand deal and basically sometimes I would execute and sometimes I wouldn't even post them. And now looking back, I wish that I would have not done that. I regret doing that. I wish that I took them seriously. I wish that I would have put more effort and time into them. But I did not know what it was at the time. Like I just kind of was like, this is extra work, I don't need it. I don't need the money that bad kind of deal. So I kind of just like brushed them all off. And now I'm like, I wish I had more brand deals. I just didn't know what I didn't know kind of thing. Like I thought it was like a short lived, like, okay. And Fabletics was one of them. But that one was one that I did execute on Fabletics, I think. And then there were other ones that I just like didn't take seriously. Did you ever do that or did you always take yours seriously?

[A]

I feel like I always took it seriously. But I also feel like my personality is somewhat of a perfectionist. I think I've gotten a little bit out of that as I just didn't.

[B]

Know that they were what they were. Do you does that makes like at the time my early 20s, like I did not realize like what partnering with a brand at that time to promote them could have led to. Where like now you see those same brands that built relationships with certain people have like Diff Eyewear has collabed with certain influencers. Fabletics is teamed up with like Khloe Kardashian. So there's like all kinds of companies that do stuff like that. And I'm like, I don't. I wish that I would have known better.

[A]

I, I wish I would have spent more time like in that space, I think and executed in a more creative way knowing what I know now.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But also it's hindsight's 2020 because the way that we would have done things then is not the same way we would execute now. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah. And like I'm talking about 2012. Like that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about, you know, because I specifically remember like before getting pregnant with Lux and then after getting pregnant with Lux, sort of not really just taking them seriously. Like I would kind of half ass them or whatever. Now I would like I just, one, I only partner with brands that I love and two, I would just do it so much better now. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

So funny when I found out that Fabletics was coming onto coffee combos. I had just started reordering from them, and I feel like their quality is really good, and the sets are really cute together, and I love having the matching pieces. Like, if I go to Lululemon, it's more so for, like, leggings. Right. And I'm not necessarily buying the matching set.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

With Fabletics, I feel like I'm getting the whole matching set for less than what I would be paying somewhere else. And the quality, in my opinion, is just as good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will send you the joggers that David loves. Like, he swears by them. It's the only jogger that he will wear. And maybe your boys would like them.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder if they're the same ones as Lincoln loves. And he asked me last night. He's like, mom, I need more black pants. So if it those joggers and they have black. If they do, I'm gonna order them for him because he loved them. He had, like. It's like a grayish beige color. And he's like, mom, I love these. So I. We love Fabletics over here.

[A]

So I wanted to tell you that David came in with two of the coffee convos mugs, where I guess he had had them in his car where he had made coffee and then left. Oh, okay. And I saw him in the sink, and I'm like, I didn't drink coffee out of those. And then the next morning, you know, I just put them in the dishwasher, and it's like, whatever. The next morning, he comes down, and he goes to grab that mug out of the dishwasher, and he goes, these are the best mugs ever.

[B]

No, they really are.

[A]

They literally are hot for so long.

[B]

I. Yes. And also, they're big. They're, like, oversized, which I love. So often there's a mug that we all saw online. Ike actually got it for me, and it was this mug, and it looked like on the social media, what I think happened, happened. So on the video, it looks so cute. Full size, Right? And then I get it, and it. We were bamboozled. It was. It's literally like a shot glass. Here it is. Mike's gonna bring it to me, and it's literally so small. Like, it's like a shot glass. Like, it's just not. It is. And so you get bamboozled a lot. What I think happened is the one on social media that we all saw that went viral was probably full size, and then everyone else knocked off. Like, it was like a knockoff. Is my Guess. And it was. It's smaller. That's just my thing.

[A]

It's really cute, though.

[B]

No, it's so cute because it's books. And so obviously it was a cute idea. But, like, I don't even think a full cup of coffee would fit in here. Maybe like an espresso shot.

[A]

That's what I was thinking. Oh, I've got to tell you. So when I went to Mexico, they had a little coffee bar at the resort. And obviously they have very different drink offerings over there than home. If I had to do it again, I'm not going out of the country for a long time, just as an FYI, because if I can't go out of the country and come back and be well, then it's just not for me. But I was off a Lonnie for I think eight days. Never again. Like, if I can't take a Lonnie, I'm not going.

[B]

Do they not have a Lonnie like there?

[A]

No. And like, their Gatorade offerings are different. Like it's called something else. It doesn't taste the same. I feel like my guts were wrecked by the time that I got home.

[B]

I don't have any plans to stop drinking energy drinks anytime soon.

[A]

Like, it's like a commitment that I've made to myself. Like, there are certain things that I can do to better myself. There are certain things that I'm not willing to give up. And the Alani is what I'm riding with.

[B]

Yeah, Rebecca just side eyed the fuck out of me. But I just, I. Now that I've been medicated for several weeks on Adderall, I want to switch to Vyvanse, I think because Adderall makes me really mean. Really? Yeah. I'm a huge cunt.

[A]

I wonder why.

[B]

I don't know. And I had said it to Ike. I literally said like, I notice I'm being a little bit more of a bitch lately. But, um. And so when I went to my Botox appointment, I was talking to Tanya, and Tanya is a nurse and she was like, Adderall can make you mean? Because I had to like, update my stuff. And like, I've always had the prescription for Adderall or ADHD meds and I wasn't taking them, so it didn't really matter. But then when I went to my last appointment, I had to tell her that like, I. I'm now medicated. And I was kind of telling her like, what was going on and she's not my doctor. It was just like shooting the shit or whatever. And she. She did say that it can make you mean. So I was like, oh, that's interesting. So I do have a doctor appointment on Friday, this Friday. And I want to see if she'll switch my meds to Vybans. I don't know if she will because she did give me a really hard time when I was on Focalin. I wanted to switch to Adderall and she gave me a really hard time. So I don't know if she'll switch me to Vyvanse. But I've heard that Vyvanse can be better in that way, so we'll see.

[A]

I am prescribed by Vance.

[B]

Why don't you take your meds?

[A]

It's something wrong with my brain. Like, truly, it feels like a task to do it. And I don't necessarily love the way that I feel when I'm on it, although I am so much more productive. And my train of thought is like very streamlined when I'm on my meds, which is obviously why I need them. I just don't like the feeling of being medicated every day.

[B]

That is really interesting to me because that's sort of where I was at when I wasn't taking the meds. I felt like it changed my personality a little bit. I do have a hard time with my feelings now. So, like, something could be really, really upsetting with for me. And I'm not crying about it anymore. Like, I'm upset, but I'm not crying where, like, when I'm unmedicated, my anxiety is through the roof and I'm crying all the time. I would say these last two weeks I've done very, very minimal crying. But Monday I started crying because I hope I don't start crying now. I realized how chaotic I have been living for so long.

[A]

Like, off your meds is okay.

[B]

So I, like, had a mental breakdown on Monday because I was like, I don't know how I've been operating this way for so long because once I was medicated, like actually regularly medicated, I feel so much better about my day to day, right? Like, I'm more overwhelmed by the chaos. Where before it was like, I thrived in the chaos. I didn't know how to operate any different. I like, if I operated any differently, it was like I couldn't stick to it, if that makes sense. I don't want to mess up my makeup. I have to do today. And so now that I've been medicated, I feel like I need better organization systems. I want to stay on top of things, my focus is like I. The chaos that is my life when I'm not medicated, I never want to experience that ever again, ever again. So it's so interesting to me because you don't like the feeling of being medicated and it's doing wonders for me. Everyone knows that we need a good night's sleep, right? And going into the new year, obviously we want the best night's sleep possible. I got the whole bedd set, the Baja bedding collection, it's in Laurel and I put them on the bed last night. So I'll make sure that I put that up on a coffee combo's Instagram. These bamboo bedding sets are so, so, so good that they're so soft to the touch and I absolutely love them.

[A]

I've been using Cozy Earth sheets for forever and I love the new stripes. I think it's just an elevated look. I think I'm going to get those for Jackson's bed. I'm kind of resetting the house and kind of getting out of. He hates white sheets. Can you believe that?

[B]

I feel like that's a boy thing.

[A]

I think it's a boy thing too. And I'm like, okay, well I'm gonna try those sheets. So I need you to give me an honest review on how you feel. But I just got a new set of the white sheets and I just keep rotating them when I feel like mine are wearing out. I buy a new set every single year from Cozy Earth and I love that they have a hundred night sleep trials so you can try them out and if you don't love them, you can return them hassle free but trust me, you will not want to. I also have the PAJ set from them. They are so good. You guys can start the new year off right and give your home the luxury that it deserves and make home the best part of Life. Head to cozyearth.com and use our code Coffee Combos for up to 20% off. That's cozyearth.com code Coffee Combos. And if you get a post purchase survey, be sure to mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here. And I but I think that it's not that I don't like the productivity when I am on medication. I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It is my brain telling me why can't you do these things on your own? And if you focus enough on your own, then you don't need something to be able to do it for you. However, I know I've been through multiple testings I don't know if you know this about me, but even when I went and had Jackson, his testing done and stuff, I go to multiple doctors and get multiple opinions. I did that for myself as well, because, you know, not that the doctors that I. The doctor that I was going to, I. I trusted, but I just like to have, like, a second opinion about something. Right. And so for Jackson, he got the exact diagnosis from the first doctor to the second doctor. So as a mom, it made me feel like, okay, I can trust that because I didn't share the first diagnosis with the second doctor. Right. And I compared those two things, and it did the same thing for me with adhd. I went to one doctor, got the diagnosis, went to a second doctor, did not give them the information from the first diagnosis, and got the exact same report.

[B]

Oh, that's so interesting. Delaware is really, really weird and challenging about controlled substances and when it comes to adhd. So, one, finding a doctor who will even touch that is really difficult. And then two, you can't switch doctors when you are on meds for a controlled substance. So once you get. Once you, like, go to a doctor, get a diagnosis, and choose to go the medication route, you cannot then switch doctors. Well, let me not say you can't switch doctors. It is very hard to find another doctor who will touch that diagnosis or the medication. Like, they won't touch it.

[A]

Okay, so I have a question for you. Now that you. You are medicated. So Will didn't start medicating himself for his ADHD until after we divorced.

[B]

Will has ADHD also?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How were y' all married and having a child?

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

I could never, in my whole life marry myself. How? I am unmedicated. Like, two of us like that. Oh, my God. Lindsay, how did you function?

[A]

I mean, we did successfully for 12 years together, and he was not medicated, and I was not medicated.

[B]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[A]

And then we get divorced, and I go to the doctor, you know, get the diagnosis, get the. The secondary opinion. He goes to the doctor, gets his diagnosis. Secondary opinion. Because I also feel like in the time that we were growing up, and I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I just feel like maybe it was for our families and it could be, you know, people in the south, but it's kind of like this mentality of, you don't need anything. Like, you don't need anything to take. I think Ritalin, like, really had, like, this bad rap, and parents didn't want to. Their kids on it. And it's. It's like, no, you just need to learn to behave right. And so you grow up with that mentality. So you're like, okay, I don't need to be medicated. Nothing's wrong with me. This is just who I am. And I think Will grew up that exact same way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we go through the divorce. Will gets his diagnosis for adhd. I have mine. He's medicated, thriving in life. I don't really medicate myself. I have my medicine. But maybe now, talking about this out loud, maybe I should just try it for two weeks.

[B]

That's. I mean, when I. I knew right before New Year's, I said, when I go into the new year, I want to try 30 days straight, no breaks. I want to see what my product, my productivity looks like for 30 days straight. On one Saturday or Sunday, I can't remember, I was like, I don't have the kids. I don't really have anything going on. Maybe I'll just take a break for one day. And I said, no, I need to commit to these 30 days. And I still took the medicine. I don't have any regrets so far.

[A]

Okay, well, then you have encouraged me to try to do it. What should be the goal? I feel like 30 days seems like a lot for me when I can't commit.

[B]

Like you just said, two weeks. If you could commit to two weeks, and if you choose, because the way it was described to me was that ADHD meds are considered holiday drugs, so you don't necessarily have to take them every single day for them to be effective. But for me, I want to get in the habit of it. If two weeks for you is just the business days, like two business weeks, that might be for you to try, or if you want to do the full 14 days, that might be for you to try.

[A]

But are you documenting this stuff, like, in the way that you feel or like, you know, how you remember when you documented, like, your Accutane journey?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you documenting this journey or no?

[B]

No, not really. I mean, I just talk about it on the podcast or on socials, and it's like, my friend, sort of like.

[A]

You should do daily wrap ups.

[B]

True. I mean, what I could talk about, like, all the things I accomplished in a. Like, in a day, I'll say that.

[A]

Do you feel like you're taking the medicine? Is your mood more even to be productive? Or like, what does it do? What do you feel like the medicine's doing that makes you have the productivity, the focus?

[B]

I'M not like a squirrel. Like, I still forget things, like the other over the last two days. Well, so for Elliot's birthday, I, like, put a bunch of stuff in my cart and I went to go check delivery, and I hadn't pressed order, so it didn't. So, like, I'm still forgetting some things. And then same for dicks. Like, I needed to order something for Lincoln for soccer, and I, like, went to go order it, and then the app needed to be updated, so I updated the app and then I forgot to place the order. So, like, certain things are still happening. But, like, I think overall I'm like, okay, I know I need to do this, this, this, this, and this, and then I do it. Getting it done might be a little bit chaotic because it's like, okay, I also have to record or I also need to go run this errand, but I'm still getting all the done. Does that make sense? So it's not like pushing it to the next day. And then, you know, this is the.

[A]

Thing that I struggle with. Like, I will start something, and if I am on my medicine, I will do whatever I've started to completion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have enough focus there to start it and finish it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I am not, it's not that I can't self start and do it. It's just possibly not getting complete until three days later.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, for me, it might take me all day to do it. Still on my meds, but it's getting done. When I wasn't on my meds, I would start it and never go back to it ever again. So. And then also just not wanting to start also is like, I just could not start something. It's like, I know I need to do this and I'm just not doing it. I don't know. I just like myself better on meds, I think. I don't think I'm as funny on my meds, but it's whatever.

[A]

You feel like you're more even.

[B]

Yeah, I just don't have a whole lot of, like.

[A]

Outburst.

[B]

Yeah. I'm a little less unhinged on my meds.

[A]

I feel like our levels are, like, close to the same. Whereas a lot of times when we're on the podcast, your levels are, like, here and mine are here.

[B]

I will say, though, I forget to eat on my meds, forgetting to drink water on my beds.

[A]

I have heard that that's a very common problem. Wait, I have to ask David. The documentary that we were watching last night. So let me tell you how this Transpired. Okay. So we're both just laid out. We need to be on our backs. And so we've been taking showers, getting on the bed very early, and going to bed decently early. And I mean, it's really like grandparent esque of us, you know, it's like giving like grandma and grandpa vibes. Okay. So we started on this documentary on Hulu and it was apartment 603. It was three episodes, watched it, completed it. Well, you know how it'll like, recommend similar.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Things.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So then we went to Trophy Wife Safari Murder and we completed that, and that was like three or four episodes. I can't remember what the name of the documentary that we started watching last night was, but we got into episode three and I can't remember if it's five or six episodes that they have this documentary, but it was the craziest and I cannot wait. Do you ever get into something and you're like, I can't wait for the day to be over so I can like, resume.

[B]

Yeah, all the time. Like, I feel that way about books or like certain documentaries and stuff. Yes.

[A]

Okay, so I need to ask you this documentary that we're watching, and I will come up with a name and have it posted for you guys. But it was like a group of best friends that went to high school together. One girl and guy got married and another girl and guy got married. And they live in the same community. They're still adult friends. They used to party together after they got married. Then they have children. One of the women's husbands goes missing on like a duck hunting trip. Okay. Come to find out the other husband was sleeping with the other wife.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I haven't got far enough in, but I'm pretty sure that they concocted him to die in some way so that he would go missing because the, the husband that was over here, that was not her husband. He was an insurance agent and he had multiple life. The, the husband that went missing had multiple life insurance policies. And then when he had been missing long enough, they were able to get the life insurance money from the multiple policies. And then they got together, got married, and live off that life insurance. And it's like this whole investigation.

[B]

And I don't, I don't know this always to be true. Like, it's not foolproof. But I think if there's no body, you can't be charged with murder.

[A]

I don't. So far that I have watched, I haven't completed it for the first three episodes. They're looking for the body, the only thing that they have ever found. It said that 80 bodies had been found in that lake from like 1980 to current and every body that had been found in that lake had been recovered. He was supposed to be like on a duck hunting trip. The only thing that was recovered was no remains of body at all, just a jacket that was in the bottom of the lake and duck hunting boots. That was it.

[B]

I'm so curious. Not that I'm, I'm not plotting a murder just for anyone that's listening. I'm not plotting a murder. But like if you were to kill someone today, like where, what are you doing with the body? Because there's CCTV ring cameras, you know, all kinds of. To get caught. Like how do you, where are you disposing of these bodies where it's never being and you're not getting caught doing like. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes, like where, how are you getting away with it? Like, I don't even. Is it even possible to get away with it at this point? We've all seen it by now. People are Talking about how GLP1s can be life changing, but sometimes they're perceived as too expensive or maybe out of reach for others. And that's why Roe offers more affordable ways to start a GLP1. Whether they check your insurance coverage for free or show you FDA approved cash pay alternatives, they'll ensure that you pay the lowest price before you even start. I know people delay seeking weight loss related health care not because you don't actually want help, but because accessing GLP1s can be super overwhelming. You might not have to deal with that because Robody pretty much does it for you. They'll check the coverage first and even if they're not covered, they've got cash pay FDA approved options that are accessible and more affordable.

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[B]

Yeah, probably.

[A]

Okay, so like this is probably my just like a couple of miles for me. I don't want to say how many miles because if anybody looks it up. But this dad and daughter went out into the woods and they were dead in the woods. Gunshot wounds. And it's being investigated, but it's believed that the dad shot the daughter and then the dad turned the gun on himself. But they don't know that to be sure. And they're investigate investigating like whatever motive it is. I feel like in a place where maybe like far south Georgia where there's like a lot of land and like dirt roads, you could get away with something like that.

[B]

Yeah, but wouldn't. I mean, I guess like the circumstantial evidence of you, like going in that direction wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't be compelling enough to like. Because at some point, and I learned this from Beth Caris, she's a legal analyst. I had her on Barely Famous. She said that at some point circumstantial evidence, evidence becomes regular evidence because it's so compelling. Probably, you know, at the point that CCTV footage or like whatever ring cameras are not picking up anymore, but you're going in that direction is probably not enough to say, like, okay, well, they went this way to hide the body. If there's no body and you're just going in that direction and they haven't located it, I guess I could see that. Or like West Virginia. Like I drove through West Virginia for when I was driving to Ohio for our live show last year or the year before. Forget when it was. And I literally looked at Kristen and I was like, you could hide a body here. Like there are so many and same in Alabama. Yeah. With Matt, I was like, oh, like you think there's. I literally asked Matt. I'm like, you think they have bodies out here? Like low key. Who's gonna find them?

[A]

Like, I feel like you could get away with it in, like, very rural areas. There's probably lack of cameras. Like, I'm thinking about where my mom's parents live. It's like, in the middle of nowhere. Like, somebody could die on their property and no one would know how it happened or who did it.

[B]

Yeah. But it's like your phone still pings. So if you, like, kill someone else.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There. And you're the last person to see them. Like, I don't. I have talked to so many people who, like, have death wishes on people are like, if I could kill them, I would. I don't have those thoughts. Like, I never have. And so it's so interesting to me because I'm like.

[A]

Like, why would you want that for somebody? Like.

[B]

Like, the stress of having to cover up a murder could never be me. That guilt and that, like, the subconscious would eat me alive. Like, I would never be able to do it.

[A]

I couldn't. Okay, so then this other. I briefly talked about it on the Southern tea. This trophy wife safari murder situation. I just want to. I want you to watch it. These. These all three were actually very good documentaries, and I think that you would like them all very good and easy watches. But on this one, this man was a dentist, okay. And he goes on these hunting trips to this safari.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And he claims that he gets in an altercation with a crocodile, and that's how he lost his thumb. Okay. So experts on there were saying if a crocodile got you, it's gonna take, like, your whole hand. Like.

[B]

Like the chances of it taking just.

[A]

Your thumb, like a digit, it. That's not happening. And also they, like, roll you, you know? And so he was, you know, describing this crocodile encounter and how it, like, rolled him and, like, threw him everywhere and it got his thumb. So he comes home, he files insurance claim. No, as a dentist, you need 10 fingers, okay? This man got approved for insurance for losing that thumb. And mind you, you can see where he shot it. Okay. You can see where he shot his.

[B]

You know what? It's. It's the creativity for me. So a for effort here because a crocodile bit off your thumb.

[A]

But the. The thing is, is, like, the bottom part of the thumb was still there. Like, this is what was missing. Okay? So it's, like, clear that he shot his thumb. Okay. Whatever he gets. Somehow approved for this insurance, he's now being paid $30,000 a month for losing his thumb. He is now in prison and per the documentary said, still is collecting his insurance while he's in prison on a Life sentence.

[B]

A life sentence for murder? Insurance fraud.

[A]

No, murder.

[B]

Wait, why murder?

[A]

Because he, well, he's appealing it, but essentially he killed his wife on the safari because he was having an affair.

[B]

And so, so, okay, so somewhere in this whole con, you know, concocted plan, he kills his wife. That's actually how he lost his finger.

[A]

No, he did the finger thing and started collecting the insurance money before he killed the wife. So he was already getting the $30,000 a month. And then he takes his wife. She was a hunter too. So he takes his wife like on this trip.

[B]

Okay, here's the thing, here's the thing again. 10 out of 10 for creativity, right? And I'm not trying to victim shame, but she should have, that should have raised alarm bells at the point that her husband was committing insurance fraud. That should have raised some red flags for her. And maybe it did. Maybe she didn't have enough time to like do anything about it. But like, if my husband is all of a sudden committing insurance fraud, like now I'm scared. Like now I'm scared for my life.

[A]

If my husband came home and told me a story about how he had gotten into an encounter with a crocodile and his thumb looked like what it did, basically the middle blown out, okay, if that was the situation, I immediately would have called the authorities.

[B]

So did he collect life insurance on her life as well?

[A]

Yeah. So there were policies out the ass that he had had on her over the years that amounted to like four point something million dollars in life insurance.

[B]

It's not worth four. Like that's not worth it.

[A]

I mean, yes, the kids tragically lost their mother and that there is no monetary value that you can put on that, but they're the real winners. Because when he, he's likely gonna die in prison on a life sentence, right? He was already like dusty when he went in. So, you know, he, he's probably gonna die there if he's getting $30,000 a month. And let's just say he, he stays in there 20 years, that's like close to $10 million that he's collecting in just insurance. So those kids are going to be rich.

[B]

As if he leaves it to them. He might not leave it to them.

[A]

Well, that's true.

[B]

I mean, you guys, like I'm here to just remind you, go see a financial advisor, go look into health insurance term and full life, because what the.

[A]

Okay, so this is leading me to ask you the question. If you had to have a job that required all 10 of your fingers, right? And you could blow one off and collect 30,000 in insurance a month. I'm not saying we're committing insurance fraud, like, but essentially we would be if we did that. I'm just saying in a hypothetical situation, would you risk your thumb, like, not having a thumb for $30,000 guaranteed a month?

[B]

You're asking would I do that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did I eat that day?

[A]

No. And you probably didn't take your meds.

[B]

Okay, but if I took my meds and I ate that day. No, I'm not doing that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm thinking clearly now. Well, we don't need our thumbs and.

[A]

Collect two thirty thousands.

[B]

I. Wait, so how does it work though? Like, how for him to collect the $30,000 a month, is that sort of like the life insurance or whatever? The insurance is, like, the policy would cover his monthly. Like, is what he made as a dentist every month. I'm not sure how does that part work? Because I don't know that any insurance company is going to pay me what I'm worth every month. Like, I don't know that they're like, what I make monthly is going to compare with what an insurance would pay out for me.

[A]

I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't. And obviously we aren't dentist and obviously our jobs. We only need a couple fingers. So.

[B]

Truthfully, I wouldn't need any fingers to podcast.

[A]

Yes, you would.

[B]

No, I wouldn't. I would. Casting without my fingers for this entire episode.

[A]

No, you haven't.

[B]

Yes, I have. When have you seen me touch anything on this episode?

[A]

How are you gonna drink your coffee?

[B]

I mean, I watched a girl on Tick Tock have a baby with no arms, so I think I'll be okay.

[A]

This is true.

[B]

I mean, she literally moved, like, put her baby in the bassinet and. And she made the baby a bottle and then moved the baby from the bassinet to the couch and, like, prop the baby up all with her feet.

[A]

So, like, most people are superheroes.

[B]

No, truly. So, like, I would figure it the out.

[A]

You're like, on that note, I'm gonna go blow both my hands off.

[B]

I guess I'm giving foot jobs and on feet finder for the rest of my life.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wait, can you tell me about this situation before we got on this recording, you were talking about, like, the Hillary Duff, Ashley Tisdale stuff. I've seen like, bit of, you know, just like people articles and like E. News coming up. I really don't know what's going on in that situation.

[B]

I don't know what's going on. I just know that something happened in Hillary and Ashley's mom friend group. And Hillary's husband Matthew got online and said some directed at Ashley Tisdale. And I'm like, I don't know if this is going to help or hurt Hillary Duff's new situation, but here is the Hillary Duff, Ashley Tisdale explained as of four days ago.

[C]

Ashley Tisdale, toxic Mom group drama Explain. Ashley Tisdale from the Suite Life is that Cody and High School Musical wrote an article called Breaking up with My Toxic Mom Group published on the Cut. The article talked about how during the pandemic, she joined a mom group. This mom group was really great at first. It was like a sense of community. She found her people. Then the vibe started to change. She noticed that there were side chats and side clicks. She would get online and see that the moms were hanging out but she wasn't invited, or that our child's birthday party, they were making plans without her. Why are you all hanging out and inviting me? Ashley Chisel got really fed up with being left out of this mom group. She texted the mom group saying, this is too high school for me. I'm done participating. Ashley Tizzle breaks up with the mom group. A few of the girls, her flowers reached out trying to amend things, and a few of them just straight up ghosted her. The girls that did reach out to her to try to like amend things ended up actually ghosting her when she responded back. So she was like, fuck that, I'm done with that. Then she went to write Breaking up with my toxic mom group. And this is where the drama that we're in is that so? In the essay, she talks about the side clicks, the side chats, how she was just done. It felt really childish. In the essay, Ashley Tisdale did not say that they were all horrible, but she did say one of them was worse than the others. Ashley Tizzle did not specify which mom.

[A]

Group she was talking about.

[C]

Allegedly, she was part of this mom group that consisted of Mandy Moore, Meghan Trainor, the worst one of all, Hillary Duff. Again, the people in this mom group are alleged After Ashley Tizzle dropped her essay and people on the Internet started talking about it. Matthew Coma, Hillary Duff's husband entered the drama by posting on his Instagram story, clapped back at Ashley, basically mocking her, making it seem like he's doing the Toxic mom group essay. Maybe if you weren't such a self obsessed mom. After that, Christopher French, which is Ashley Tisdale's husband, also got involved and posted on His Instagram story. Clap back, kind of like at the whole thing. And people are like, oh, shit. The husbands are now involved. The reason a lot of people assume that Ashley's talking about these girls. The evidence shows that Ashley Tisdale unfollowed Andy Moore and Hillary Duff, but she still follows Meghan Trainor. Also Haley Duff, Hillary Duff, sister went. And like Ashley Tisdale's post about the toxic bride and mom group, which is basically a job at Hillary Duff. Hilary Duff and Haley Duff haven't spoken to each other in a few years.

[A]

Due to different political beliefs.

[C]

Ashley Tisdale, allegedly. There's been rumors for the past few months that she's gone maga, posting, like, Charlie Kirk stuff. And people are like, are you a Charlie Kirk, Stan? Hillary Duff literally doesn't even talk to her. Like, cut her off for that reason. So maybe she's like, I don't fuck.

[A]

With you because of your political beliefs.

[C]

Ashley Tisdale, toxic mom group drama explained. Honestly, wanted it to be a little bit more juicy. She should have just written about overcoming mom groups instead of just, like, airing her own out, you know?

[A]

Tick tock.

[B]

So it sounds like it was all blown out of proportion, but I don't know.

[A]

I mean, I feel like kind of like circles back to when we were talking about, like, the teen mom stuff. I feel like it's like clicks within clicks, right? So friend groups are formed, and then there's, like, branch offs. And I do think that that is somewhat like a natural progression. As you build friendships, you're gonna navigate, like, towards certain personalities more than others. And that doesn't mean that you all can't, like, like, coexist. But I've seen that happen in friend groups, and I'm in not necessarily mom friend groups, but just couples friend groups. And it just. It happens. Like, some of our interests are more similar than interest of others. And so people take offense, very much offense to that. And I'm just not the type of person that's in a friend group that cares. Like. Like, let's say I lived in Delaware, and let's say you were like, hey, Lindsay, I'm gonna go and hang out with Kelsey and Emily. And I'm like, okay, y' all girls go kick it. Like, I don't give a.

[B]

That's how I am. I don't care.

[A]

I don't. I don't care. And I don't feel left out, and I don't have FOMO over it. But I do think that a lot of people cause their own toxicity and stuff within friend groups because it's the way that they look at things. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. Smart Choice Progressive loves to help people make smart choices. That's why they offer a tool called Auto Quote Explorer that allows you to compare your progressive car insurance quote with rates from other companies. So you save time on the research and you can enjoy savings when you choose the best rate for you.

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[A]

I I don't understand the the need for the social media stuff though. You know what I mean? Like, and I do agree with that person that was on that tick tock, I don't know what her name was, but saying she could have like, more generalized, did an article about friend groups and like toxic mom clubs and whatever. Instead of relating it back to her situation for people to be able to, to pull out whatever they wanted to pull out. Like, why is everything on social media?

[B]

That's tough, honestly. Toxic friend groups in general are tough. I think some mom friendships are really hard. The husband's getting involved is wild. Well, I think, think to be fair, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna defend Hillary and Matthew here because he probably felt like he needed to defend her. And I can understand, like, when, when things get so public and when things are all over the Internet, you kind of feel like you have to defend them. So I do understand that. And like, I don't know, I've definitely been in situations like that. But I will say it can be really, really hard to be friends with, with moms where at first it is going really well. So, like what Ashley Tisdale said, like, it was, it was really fun at first, whatever. And then things start to take a turn. Like if you don't align, like, you become really fast friends, really close, really fast. And then you start to see where you do not align anymore. And that could be really toxic because you're like, how do I handle this?

[A]

But I do think that there's lessons in that that are like, very valuable about pacing your friendships, right, like, or pacing your relationships. Like diving so deep, nose first into something without knowing all of the things that you need to know. There is some accountability there, like, on us as adults, to be like, okay, well, I dove so deep into that and I put myself in that situation.

[B]

It's sort of like any friendship though, I guess. Like, you can grow apart and to your point, like, like just it moving quickly can sort of blind you and you don't see the red flags. And then it's too late because now you've posted this friendship all over the over, all over the Internet. You've talked about it, people know about it, and now all of a sudden there's this huge knockdown drag out because you don't actually align. But in the beginning, it was all fun and games.

[A]

Old me would say, yeah, that's crazy. Like, girls need to fight their own battles and, and do whatever, and I can handle my own. This me, whatever 2026 me is, is like, no, my man's entering the chat.

[B]

I think in certain situations it is absolutely okay for a Husband to defend their wife. In certain situations, you kind of just have to let it be like the com. Like pillow talk conversation you have at home, and they don't need to intervene. But there are certain instances that I would say that it's good to have your husband.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like for example, if. If we were somewhere and someone said something sideways to you and Ike was there, I think it's appropriate for him to step in and be like, hey, don't come sideways.

[B]

I would agree in a situation like.

[A]

That, I think that that's appropriate. Also, to your point with the Hillary Duff stuff, I'm gonna stand with them too. Because if she's publicly, you know, getting backlash for whatever, of course I feel like her husband's gonna have every right to be able to step in and give his perspective and say whatever he wants to say, you know, to defend his wife.

[B]

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

[A]

What is this shit that you said about this Only Fans model joining the Amish community?

[B]

I need to pull up this article because former Only Fans model. This is an exclusive on People, so if you go on the People website, I'm sure it'll be there. Former OnlyFans model felt career no longer aligned with her values. So she left everything behind and ultimately joined the Amish community. She has tied. She had ties to the traditionalist lifestyles before she left LA and joined this community in rural Pennsylvania, which I think is actually near where I'm from. And they made a rare exception for her. They wanted to expand his community's population, meaning non Amish people inside. And so she actually got a TV show out of this, I guess, or on the TV show she becomes Amish. And it says, I don't necessarily align anymore with being a dancer. I really have to. This is what she said. I really have to be picky with what jobs I morally feel comfortable doing. And that's none. When this opportunity came to me, I was like, this could be my the out that I was looking for. So she said that Only Fans was at her lowest point prior to her baptism. And she admitted that her participation on the adult entertainment site stemmed from a lack of self love. And she still struggles to forgive herself for that, which I think is the thing that whatever, whatever people want to do to heal. I'm not here to, like, blame or whatever, like tell someone how to heal, but when we're going from one extreme to the next, is there healing being done? Do you know what I mean? And I feel like Only Fans was one extreme going completely to this other one. With being Amish is also very, very extreme. Like I don't necessarily think either one of them is sustainable.

[A]

When you said that, I thought about prisoners and how so many prisoners become very religious and close to God when they're incarcerated and it's because they're at their lowest point of their life and that's what they have. And so I think a lot of times that when people don't have fulfillment and have the knowledge of sometimes type of faith, whatever, you know, it is that that's the outlet that they turn to. And while I agree it's like extremes, I think this is really good. But I'm also a Christian person, you know, so I love, I love the fact that somebody from only fans can be on a redemption tour and be, you know, a faithful servant of the Lord.

[B]

What, what, how do you feel about like the second chance thing like that. So only certain people I feel, get, sir. Get second chances. And with a story like this, I feel like so many people will be like, wow, like you know, this is a good redemption story, whatever. Where I'm looking at as looking at it as two extremes, like complete polarizing, end of the spectrum.

[A]

That's why it's now a show.

[B]

But like just in general, why do you think it is that only like society only gives specific people second chances at redemption stories? Like, and I'm talking more so like celeb, celeb world, Hollywood reality stars, people like that. Why do you think some people get second chances and some don't? Like, some people are remembered always for all of their fuck ups, no matter how much good they do in the world. And then other people, it just doesn't stick for them.

[A]

I wish we had an answer, but the answer that I'm going to give is going to be a very business answer. I think it's PR and positioning. I think it's proper PR and positioning. And a lot of people, you know, what you're talking about a lot of people being tied to like certain stuff is because they maybe aren't really a healed person from that. Right. And so they're trying to, to put off as they're, you know, on this redemption tour. But really like behind the scenes they're doing all the same stuff that they were doing. And so I think sometimes people see through it.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

It's like I believe that you can truly tell a changed person. I don't think you and, and I know you in a different way than, you know, maybe people listening to this or maybe the way people see you perceived on press articles or whatever. I don't think you are anything the same person as what you were when you were married to Javi, in a relationship with Chris. And on Teen Mom. I think you're a completely. I don't even know that person anymore.

[B]

I don't know that person. I never want to know that person again. I just was curious because I don't know and I've never heard of this show, but this. I mean, whatever works. I did see that Camilla from. I don't know if you know who she is, but she was a. The. One of the biggest only fans creators making millions of dollars a month. She made an announcement on New Year's Eve that she was no longer doing only fans and has completely flipped the script and done an entire rebrand. I'll send you her profile. And she said, like, I think in the first, like, 24 hours or 48 hours, she gained like, 2 or 300,000 followers from leaving only fans. And people are. More. People are giving her a second chance and know who she is is more now that she's made this announcement. And I just think that maybe that was the PR move. I don't know. Oh, here she goes. She literally popped up first on my timeline. Very pretty girl. I'm gonna send you her whole profile. And I don't know. Like, I just. It's so fascinating to me how society decides who gets second chances.

[A]

It's kind of like the story. I think it. It truly is like the story and the positioning of the storytelling behind what someone's doing. Right. Like, you've got to think going from. And I'm not on only fans by any means. Like, if you want to go out there and sling cooch and, you know, put your toes on there and whatever, knock yourself out. Not my thing, but if it's yours, great. I think that it. It's polarizing, just like you said, because it is so extreme. You're going from extreme to extreme, right?

[B]

Like, there's no.

[A]

And I think that's captivating. I think that that's why.

[B]

Captivating. But there's no healing in that, in my opinion. I'm not saying I can't speak for her specifically, but if I go from one extreme to another, I. I don't believe in extremes. I feel like at the point that you get to that point, like, there's something wrong wrong.

[A]

Like, for me, for example, going back to church was a really hard thing because I had not been in a church building since after my parents were convicted. I did not feel comfortable there. That time that I had been to church right after they had gotten convicted, it was very overwhelming with people coming up and saying stuff and whatever and, you know, telling me that we're the Lord's people and, and I just felt very overwhelmed. So I'm like, I'm going to do church from home. And it wasn't until this year that I started going back to church. And I think it was so much more impactful for me because it was a journey. Right? It wasn't, it wasn't an extreme. I don't agree with the extremes either. Like, I, I agree with the small little changes as part of a journey to get to where you're going.

[B]

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[B]

I didn't want to stop the recording, so I just like to keep everybody on their toes, you know what I mean? Well, we're getting really intimate over here, so.

[A]

We'Re talking about only fans and Kale's on a toilet. That's gonna be the next headline. Like, well, one extreme to the next. Kale just wiped cooch.

[B]

I'll wash my hands though.

[A]

Okay. So am I supposed to be looking at this girl? She's beautiful.

[B]

She was. Her name's Camilla. She was in the Bop House, which was like. And correct me if I'm wrong, anyone listening, you guys might know more than I do. I think the Bop House was like a creator, like an of creator house. Kind of like the house. The creator house or the content house or whatever it was before with all the Tick Tock people.

[A]

Yeah, that documentary, the Hype House.

[B]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. It was similar vibes, I think, to the. To the Hype House. I think the Bop House was where they all created their only fans content and they all, like, lived together and, like, helped each other create content and stuff. Stunning girl. Stunning. Stunning. Stunning. I did see some stuff on Tick Tock as people were talking about it. They were really conflicted because I guess that she never. I don't know this for sure. This is all what I've learned on Tick Tock. I'm just telling you guys, like, sort of what I've been following a little bit, following along a little bit. People were conflicted because she created her only fans account under this impression that she had all this spicy content. And it allegedly was never that way. Like, she basically bamboozled men and. And different people and led them to believe that her content had spicy content when it in fact wasn't that spicy after all. Like, I don't think she was that like, doing porn or anything like that. And so they were like, okay, so you built this, like, crazy successful only fans, and then it was very misleading and whatever, whatever. And then you turn around and now you're off of only fans and now you're creating like. I think it's like $6,000 or something. She's selling online. Social media courses is like her new thing. I don't know too much about it. I don't necessarily care. I think that some of her Tick Tocks are really funny. She's very pretty. She just did a video with French Montana. Like, I think that she's definitely doing something and whatever it is is working for her. Whether or not she bamboozled people or not, I have no idea. I've never been on her only fans, but it's clear that she knows how to make money.

[A]

So this right here, though, is proper pr.

[B]

Where is that? On her Instagram?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Glamour magazine.

[A]

Yeah. Like, all of this is just proper positioning. Npr.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's just.

[A]

I. I mean, I love it. I love it for her, but I. If I agree with you on much of anything, which I feel like we actually agree on a lot, I don't agree with extremes. I think it's it's weird, but I think that that's captivating for an audience. And when you're talking about a TV show or an entertainer or whatever, it is polarizing to go from one end of a spectrum to another.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I agree with that.

[A]

Okay, wait, so since we were just briefly talking about Tick Tock talk, have you come across the page Courtney cooks Courtney?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, so you haven't seen people on there, like, recreating the video of the sweet potato and putting like the cheese butter down in the middle?

[B]

No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[A]

Okay, so her name's Courtney Cook Bales. She's a high school English teacher, a mother of four. She's from Georgia. And it says taking Tick Tock by storm with her unusual teacher lunches featuring baked sweet potatoes, onion cups, and lots of cheese. One of her latest, latest videos in this series garnered 11 million views, leaving followers addicted to her content. So it says that she started simple with lunchtime Post, which quickly turned into an addictive series thanks to her unusual taste in food and endearing personality. So it says that this baked potato thing, stuffed with cheese to marinated eggs, to whole green onions, and people are all eating this stuff.

[B]

And I'm like, this reminds me of a TikTok creator that I followed for a long time. Amanda, I think her name is. Let me go look. Aunt. Auntie Amanda or Auntie Amanda Lee. Yeah, Auntie Amanda Lee. She always, like, she built her entire platform off of videos of her eating and talking. And it's always the most, like, the combinations I would never think to do.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And it's similar vibes, but maybe just their personalities are different. But like, I'll send you one of Amanda, one of Amanda's videos. Like, it's always food related and I'm obsessed because I'm like, I low key want to try that. That. Okay.

[A]

But it says that part of her meals, they have to be simple and quick, but they also have to meet four needs. So it needs to meet the me need of sweet, savory, crunchy, and creamy. So she said when she's shopping, she usually picks out whatever catches her eye and trust herself to turn it into a winning combination, which sends me in an absolute spiral because I can't imagine going into the grocery store and just throwing stuff in my cart without a plan. And in a quote, she said, for example, I once walked past the deli at my grocery store and saw a container of macaroni and salad. Macaroni salad. And immediately knew it. Belonged in an onion cup, which is simply a raw piece of sweet onion that gives the perfect crunch.

[B]

So she needed to take the Mac. The macaroni salad, put it in the.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

I could. Okay. Okay.

[A]

And I just think that it's so crazy that, like, these people that are releasing content like this are going viral on Tick tock over a sweet potato.

[B]

No, literally.

[A]

Isn't that crazy? And, like, all these people are, like, all the videos. Because I started watching her videos, and so I guess maybe, like, part of the algorithm, it started showing me other videos of people, like, making what she was. What she made on her page. And so it's like these random people's videos that are coming up on my thing, and they're all making this sweet potato thing, and then I'm like, well, I kind of feel left out. I need to try the sweet potato to see, like, what the hype is about out.

[B]

I mean, I'm not a big fan of sweet potato in general, but, like.

[A]

Yeah, I love sweet potato. You said.

[B]

Yeah, I. I would be willing to try. We should. Next time you're in Delaware or we're together, we should try to make one of her recipes.

[A]

We. We should try to definitely do the. She might have something else that's, like, viral by the time February comes. Comes perfect when I come there. But would you eat an onion cup? Because I don't feel like I would eat an onion cup.

[B]

No, probably not an onion cup, but definitely, like, to have it sit in the flavor. I might just, like, eat the macaroni salad out of it. Does that make sense?

[A]

Because I have a true phobia of, like, getting bad breath.

[B]

Oh. So, like, the onion is more of, like, a.

[A]

Like, I love the taste of onion, but I wouldn't eat it in fear that it would, like, stick on my breath forever.

[B]

Yeah, I get that. I feel like garlic is the same way.

[A]

Oh, garlic. Oh, my God. And there are certain things, like, certain spices and stuff that stick on different people's breaths different ways. Did you know that?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So, like, because you're. Everybody's ph is different, it affects everybody in a different way.

[B]

Right. Like, onion might affect me differently than it affects you.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I might. Like, Will loves garlic, and I might be, like, talking to him at a basketball game, and I'm like, what the. Did you put garlic in?

[B]

Like, you're smelling it six hours later. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, he's probably sweating it out at that point.

[B]

I don't really. I'm not a huge fan of garlic. Believe it or not.

[A]

Okay, so I'm gonna read this listener topic because I do feel like it's relevant to my current life. This was from the Facebook group. Someone says, has anyone ever gotten back with their right person at the wrong time? I'm being hopeful, but I need honesty. And, yes, me.

[B]

Who.

[A]

David and I broke up, like, several times. And the last time that we got back together, I think that I didn't. I think it was the right time at the time that we got back together, but then so much had happened, and I feel like last year was such, like, an up and down healing journey, and it wasn't, like, linear. I feel like I was healing from so many different things, and I needed the time and space to be able to somewhat do that on my own because I had convinced myself, like, these were things that I needed to heal before I got into something else, because it's not that person's responsibility to heal things that they weren't a part of. And I personally just feel like it was the right choice for us to break up for the three or four months that we were broken up. For me to be able to go through the process of being able to just kind of, like, sit with myself, heal from it, know that I was good to be able to get back into the relationship with him and feel like it was like a fresh start.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

With that being said and you saying that, like, you guys broke up a bunch and then it was the right time, wrong time, whatever. Do you feel like now that you guys are solid, that you. The foundation is cracked because of all of those challenges?

[A]

I did kind of feel like that when we initially first got back together this last time, I was like, wow. Like, there's too many cracks to, like, fill in. Like, because when you've been with somebody and then you break up and get back together, like, obviously time passes, right? And so, like, he's living his life and you're living your life, and it's like those lives might not be the same way that you would have been living them together. Like, he was on his journey, and I was on my journey. And so I feel like if we were not intentional about healing some of those cracks, that it could have easily turned into resentment because I'm also the type of person that I'm like, well, I wasn't with you, but still, like, you shouldn't have been going there, you know, and you shouldn't have been.

[B]

I'll use Chris as an example because that's, like, the only thing that, that people already know about. And so I can describe. It was like so much damage has been done and had been done that it didn't matter if we got back together or not. And we were ready to make it work. Even if we were ready to make it work, so much damage had been done that there was no way, like, there was a point towards the end of our, like, on and off, like the five years that we were like, sneaking to see each other and not telling people in our circles because there was so much damage that even if we wanted to make it work as a couple, we weren't going to be able to. So that's more so what I mean, like, too many cracks in the foundation, like, there was no coming back from that for us.

[A]

There wasn't sneaking. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like there had been so much that went on in your situation that there were so many people involved. And it's not like several people on my side didn't know about what was going on, like, in real time. And several people on his side knew his version of what was going on in real time. There was just nothing that was like, too bad that couldn't be recovered. Does that make sense? I feel like your situation was there was a lot that was too bad to recover from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it just your forgiveness? It was other people's forgiveness too, right?

[B]

Well, I think the older I get, the more I realize that, like, the beginning of my relationship with Elijah, I was self sabotaging a lot. And then all of a sudden I just stopped. I wasn't. If there was an issue, I was never talking about it because I realized it took me too long to stop involving other people in my relationships and constantly ask for opinions because then other people know everything. And if I choose to work it out and I choose to stay, everyone else will still have their grudges and feelings about that person. So it makes it harder to, like, fill the cracks in the foundation, if there was any.

[A]

That's so true. My nanny always used to say, be careful about what you take outside of your house because at the end of the day, you have to lay with that person. No one else does. And their opinions are going to cloud your judgment.

[B]

I have a friend that texted me not too long ago and just said, like, just so you know, regardless who you forgive, I don't. Like, a friend texted that to me. So it was like, like. And on one hand it's like, obviously like, whoever you are is who you are, but on the other hand, it's like, that's not actually helpful.

[A]

It's not helpful. And at the end of the day, you're the one that has to go to bed with that person at night, right? Like, you're the one that lives with that person every single day. You're the one that does everything with that person every single day. And so I don't necessarily really think that it's other people's place maybe to be a listening ear, but a support system to support you for your decisions and what you choose to do. And if you make the wrong ones, then you make the wrong ones.

[B]

I'm always a learn the hard way kind of girl anyway.

[A]

We love a good learn the hard way.

[B]

I don't. It always sucks me some way somehow.

[A]

Like, what the. And on that note, we have foul play. We have foul play. Okay? So this person says, probably like 10 years ago, I was on my hot girl. You go, girl. Looks so good and was single and just living my best life. My friend was having a small intimate wedding and only invited like 10 friends and the rest of family. I found one of the single guys who was looking good enough. Laughing my ass off. What's that saying? Kill like far 10 from far, but far from 10.

[B]

I've never heard that saying in my entire life.

[A]

Like, I forget how it goes, but somebody will correct me. So I took advantage of the open bar and this guy and myself had ourselves a night. We then went out after the wedding and continued the night. When it was time to leave, I invited him to come home with me. It was 2am when we got back to my place and we started going at it. Things were really enjoyable and I was shocked because this guy was kind of a total door work. He eventually makes his way down to eat my cat, but before he gets down there, he's like, hold on, can I use the bathroom? The bathroom is right next to my room. So he gets up and you guys, I heard things I wish my ears never heard. This man had explosive diarrhea. I bet you anything he drank beer.

[B]

Or he was cheating on his girlfriend.

[A]

Oh my God, I didn't even think about that.

[B]

And he got bubble guts.

[A]

He didn't even turn the sink or fan on like, hello. So I turned my phone on and volume all the way up watching a video because no one needs to hear that. Ten minutes later he comes back in and he's like, so where were we, sir?

[B]

Where?

[A]

Where were we? You just had a massive diarrhea and you think that you can go back in bed and eat my Cat. No, no. I had my clothes already back on and I was insistent on taking him back home, which really didn't go over well. He was like, this is really early in the morning. I'll get a ride when we wake up. I was like, no, trust me, you have to go home. I have early church tomorrow, so you have to go home now. Now. The car ride was for sure weird, especially because we had sobered up. But unfortunately I got the ultimate ick after hearing his explosive diarrhea and there was no coming back from that. I love the pod. Been listening ever since the start and listener of all different pods you guys have out now Kitty gang for life. Okay, number one, are you okay with having sex when someone's taking a not shower?

[B]

Coward.

[A]

No, because I'm not.

[B]

You're not. You're not getting off the toilet and immediately coming to try to have sex with me. Like, that's not. Your dick was in the toilet. Like the water splashed up and touched it and if it was long enough. Do you know what I mean? And then what? I'm so serious. Like, no, you can't too soon. Do you know what I mean? Like, you have to to. We need to re re evaluate in seven to 10 business days. Like, I can't.

[A]

Like you're not even going to use a wet wipe. Like that's not even sufficient enough either. Like you need to take a full blown shower if.

[B]

If you think by that point I'm not horny anymore.

[A]

And also if you're eating cat, like brush your teeth.

[B]

Your dick was in the toilet.

[A]

No, like it's the, it's the thoughts of like diarrhea being in your butthole.

[B]

For me, it's the thought that if your balls are big enough, the toilet water is slapping them. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like that's not. And I already have the ick from hearing it, so it's like you should have been quieter.

[A]

I mean, explosive diarrhea. I feel like it's an involuntary.

[B]

No, I was pissing out of my ass last night and it didn't make a sound. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I like, is going on like I'm just pissing out of my ass.

[A]

What did you eat?

[B]

Pierogies.

[A]

What the is a pierogi?

[B]

It's like a noodle and it has potato inside. So you're not. You can't tell me that a noodle with potato gave me diarrhea.

[A]

Yes, it did.

[B]

No, like that's not. That's like A bind you up kind of food. Not like a bind you up. Did I use butter? No, I ate them completely plain. No seasoning, no butter, no nothing. Nothing. I raw dogged it.

[A]

I can't even imagine. Oh, my God. So let me tell you, there's more. Yes, there. There is more. Last night, I feel like it's been a little bit of time. Way longer than we've ever gone without being intimate, but we've been. Been sick for literally like seven days at this point. And I went to get out of the bed because I was sweating and I have been peeing because I'm on a steroid and it's like making me pee so much. So I go into the bathroom and I pee and imma leave the door wide opener. Okay. Like, leaving the door wide open. You can hear me. I don't care. He's a. Close the door. And I'm like, I don't know why you're doing that. Like you're just peeing. Unless you're in there farting and don't want me to hear, like, whatever. So I come out of the bathroom, I take off my PJs, get back in the bed naked. Please tell me why. When I lay down, I felt like I hit a brick, but it was a boner.

[B]

So do you have to tell him to curb his advances or.

[A]

There was like no advance. It was like a snuggle advance, but it was just like.

[B]

Like if you're fornication or.

[A]

No, the question is if you're sick. Are you?

[B]

Oh, sometimes I almost died I him right before he almost died.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

Yeah, that was a rough week.

[A]

I just. I can't. Like when you just feel like you are the ick. You know what I mean? Your mind can't. Like, you give your own self the ick. Your mind can't get to where it needs to be to give the other person a fair chance. Like, I'm not getting off. And you're probably not either.

[B]

No, if someone's almost dying, I probably didn't get off. Or if I have like strep throat, like, I'm not getting off. You know what I mean? So what's the point?

[A]

Strep throat is wild. And the amount of times that you have had strep throat honestly freaks me out. And the fact that you still have tonsils freaks me out more.

[B]

I think it's really dangerous to get your tonsils out as an adult.

[A]

Said who? I think it's really dangerous for you to have strep throat as many times as you've had it.

[B]

Also true.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And now you can pass it around to seven people.

[B]

True. Yeah.

[A]

You know, there's the risk of that as well. Wait, so when you get your tonsils out, you can't get strap right?

[B]

You can still get strip.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, I think it's just. Just some of the symptoms are not as severe. Yeah, severe.

[A]

Okay. Well, on that note, we have our Valentine's Day collection launching tomorrow. Stay tuned to our Facebook group for an early sneak peek and follow us on our socials for a full reveal. Tag us in your merch picks. We cannot wait to see. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast, Apple follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit CoffeeConvos podcast.com to shop full video episodes are available on Kale's Patreon at patreon.com kayllowery do not forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We will talk to you guys next week.

[B]

See ya.

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