We Thought You Might Also Like... Barely Famous

Summary

Coffee Convos Presents: Barely Famous - “We Thought You Might Also Like... Barely Famous”

Release Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Kail Lowry (as “Kale”), special guests: Elliot (Kail’s son, turning 16), Lincoln (younger brother)
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Episode Overview

This episode is a special crossover in which Kail (“Kale”) hosts a heartfelt, candid conversation with her son, Elliot, on the occasion of his 16th birthday. The discussion is an honest exploration of growing up as a teenager in the public eye, grappling with identity, boundary setting, family dynamics, and the unique challenges of being both a reality TV child and a young gay man. Lincoln, Kail’s younger son, joins intermittently, providing sibling banter and humor. The episode is rich with reflections on personal growth, time management, and learning from familial examples, all while maintaining the warm, open, slightly chaotic vibe typical of Coffee Convos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Turning 16: Reflections and Milestones

• Kail opens by celebrating Elliot’s birthday, asking him how it feels to turn 16 ([00:02]).
  • Elliot: “Kind of crazy. Like your UN.” (a joke on being called an 'uncle' and possibly referencing 'un' as a term).
• Discussion shifts to driving—Elliot acknowledges the buildup and anticipation—and the changes 16 brings:
  • “Once you're able to drive without anyone in the car, then it will feel different.” ([01:18])
• Sibling dynamic: Kail and Lincoln tease that Elliot will have to drive his brothers around; Elliot jokes he’ll get overstimulated by his siblings ([01:56]).

2. Comparing Generations: Parenting, Teen Choices, and Growth

• Kail notes how different Elliot’s 16 is from her own, reflecting on her challenges as a teen mom:
  • “It almost seems impossible for someone like you to come from someone like us, 'cause your dad was doing the same as I was doing.” ([04:25])
• Elliot expresses pride in making different choices than his mom at the same age:
  • “I'm proud to be doing better than you, you know, 'cause, you know, I'm not smoking weed and you know, going around...” ([03:55])
• Kail and Elliot discuss responsibility, time management, and balancing extracurriculars, homework, and social life ([07:13]-[09:52]).
• The difficulty of maintaining a social media presence due to burnout and lack of time (“...I get lazy with it. You know what I mean?” – Elliot, [09:37]).

3. Identity and Confidence: Coming Out, Acceptance, and Friendship

• Elliot’s journey accepting his sexuality is a recurring topic:
  • Kail: “What’s something about you that hasn’t changed at all?”
  • Elliot: “Being gay?” ([10:22])
• Kail inquires if Elliot ever struggled to accept his sexuality:
  • “I've always accepted it. Oh, but if I had the choice, I'd choose to be straight...Being gay comes with a struggle. Like, that's not like, yes, it's like, manageable. Like, I'm okay with it. Like, I. I'm happy. But, you know, it's much harder because that makes me a minority...” – Elliot ([11:53]-[12:18])
  • On impact: “It builds a lot of confidence...” ([13:07])
• The challenge of not having gay male mentors in their circle is discussed, and the importance of having non-judgmental friends ([13:41]-[14:03]).

4. Boundaries & Public Life: Teenage Lessons from Reality TV

• Kail addresses the challenge of growing up with a camera present, the difference it made in Elliot’s childhood, and his heightened sense of caution ([27:19]-[27:53]).
• On privacy and public exposure, Elliot is intentional:
  • “I wouldn't want to post pictures or videos of, like, getting my new house...because that stuff is easily found...” ([16:08])
  • “It’s just a matter of personal information...” ([16:08]-[17:50])
• Elliot credits his boundary-setting ability to having grown up on TV and observing Kail’s experiences.

5. Learning, Aspirations, and Time Management

• Elliot expresses clear ambitions: majoring in ASL interpretation, minoring in performing arts, and integrating both passions ([31:45]-[32:51]).
• The influence of extracurriculars (notably ASL and theater) on self-discovery:
  • “I'm just so happy that I've run into it this early...I am practically fluent. It’s very exciting and I can't see my life without it.” ([20:28]-[21:34])
• Kail praises Elliot’s self-motivation and commitment to learning, especially with ASL ([33:17]).
• Both discuss the universal struggle of time management and the impossibility of “having it all,” even as an adult ([24:38]-[26:04]).

6. Perspective on Parental Influence and Trauma

• Elliot distinguishes between “trauma” and “impact”:
  • “Trauma holds me back, but impact makes me stronger.” ([44:57])
• Kail is candid about fears of having traumatized her children by her choices or public scrutiny:
  • “I never want something that I do to negatively impact or traumatize or affect you that you have to recover from...” ([48:49])
• Elliot offers compassion in response, saying he gives Kail “grace” for her 20s and acknowledges that everyone deserves grace ([49:08]-[49:25]).

7. Notable Life Lessons and Advice

• Elliot shares lessons learned from watching Kail:
  • Importance of not acting on impulse, both in words and actions ([39:40]-[41:18]).
  • Being aware of consequences—regarding relationships, impulsivity, and risky behaviors ([42:34]-[42:52]).
  • Need for proactive communication and scheduling as a family skill ([52:13]-[54:38]).

8. Rapid Fire: Favorites and Fun Insights

• Comfort food: Grandma’s empanadas ([35:12]).
• Song on repeat: “Getting Older” by Billie Eilish ([35:24]).
• Elliot time: Junk journaling, reading, collecting vinyl records, concerts ([35:29]-[36:15]).
• One word for 16: “Different.” ([36:19])
• Legacy hope: Wants to be remembered for making an impact: “...the effort to make an impact, you know, for others, because that’s truly what I want to do.” ([37:14])
• Advice to younger self: “You’re going to find your people, you’re going to find what you love to do, and you’re going to do great things.” ([34:53])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On generational differences and pride:
  “I'm proud to be doing better than you, you know, ‘cause, you know, I’m not smoking weed and...I’m learning other languages and acting.”
  – Elliot ([03:55]-[04:17])

• On LGBTQ+ identity:
  “Being gay comes with a struggle...That makes me a minority.”
  – Elliot ([12:00]-[12:18])

• A powerful distinction:
  “Trauma holds me back, but impact makes me stronger.”
  – Elliot ([44:57])

• On parental grace:
  “Well, yeah, I kinda have to. Everyone deserves that grace.”
  – Elliot ([49:25])

• Reflection on success as a parent:
  “It’s so weird to, like, look at you and Lincoln and really be like, I had a hand in raising you guys, and you’re both better people than me.”
  – Kail ([38:35])

• Elliot’s legacy wish:
  “I would like people to remember my impact on people, or at least my effort to make an impact, you know, for others, because that’s truly what I want to do.”
  – Elliot ([37:14])

• Candid family humor:
  “He’s scared of. She’s scared of me driving.”
  – Elliot ([01:45])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Turning 16: First reflections – [00:02]-[01:28]
• Comparing teen years/parental reflection – [04:25]-[05:12]
• Responsibility, time, and burnout – [07:13]-[09:52]
• Coming out, confidence, being gay – [10:22]-[13:41]
• Growing up on TV/public life and boundaries – [16:08]-[17:50]
• Education, career goals, and ASL passion – [20:25]-[22:40]
• Parental impact, trauma vs. impact – [44:56]-[45:02]
• Favorites (food, music, hobbies) – [35:12]-[36:15]
• Legacy, 16 summed up, advice to younger self – [36:19]-[34:53]

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Tone & Style

The episode is heartfelt, honest, and often humorous with plenty of playful family banter. Kail is open about her parenting anxieties and proud of her son’s maturity, while Elliot responds with humor, poise, and striking emotional intelligence. The conversation alternates between deep moments of reflection and light-hearted sibling teasing.

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For Listeners

This episode offers a nuanced, real-time look at the joys and struggles of growing up—both as a teenager and as a parent. It’s particularly engaging for anyone interested in LGBTQ+ youth experiences, navigating boundaries in the age of social media, and the ongoing journey of parenting in the public eye.

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Listen to more:
Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley
Barely Famous (Kail Lowry's spinoff) on PodcastOne

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome to the show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale and you're listening to Barely Famous. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birth day, dear Eliante. Happy birthday to you. How does it feel to be 16?

[B]

Kind of crazy. Like your UN.

[A]

Did I just get called UN already? The Funkle, if you will. The uncle. The gay uncle. I have to tell you that unrelated to your birthday, my mom's older brother. Super gay. Right? Really? Gifts ever. When I was a kid, he got me the coolest pink fuzzy blanket as a gift. I got Britney Spears his first perfume. Curious. Like I'm talking. The best gifts came from my uncle. My guncles. Because they were married. Just saying.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

Yeah. So does it actually feel different than being 15 though? Or do you think once you're able to drive without anyone in the car, that then it will feel different?

[B]

I don't know. I think that over time it's that like build up. And then when the day comes, it's gonna be like, wow, like what next? Like, I'm gonna be driving.

[A]

I cannot be physically present in the car.

[B]

He's scared of. She's scared of me driving.

[C]

I'm not getting in the car. You're like 20.

[A]

Well, no, because if y' all both go to the private school, he's gonna have to drive you. Everybody's getting in the car with Eliante.

[B]

Y' all are gonna drive me crazy to the point where like, I'm gonna get overstimulated. I'm gonna pull over on the highway.

[A]

Like, seriously, who's gonna get you overstimulated?

[B]

All of them. Especially Lux and Creed.

[A]

I won't let Lux and Creed drive with you. I think that would be too much of a distraction.

[B]

One at a time.

[A]

No, not even unless it's an emergency. I would prefer to keep the distractions at a minimum. And I think the only sibling that I would let you drive with right now would be Lincoln for you. Lincoln, how does it feel to have a 16 year old brother?

[C]

I feel young since he's so old, you know?

[A]

Right. Since he's an un, you're basically the nephew.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, has he sort of set the tone for what the expectations are of you when you turn 16? No. It's so funny. Cuz y' all are polar opposites. Yeah. And it's just so funny. Like I feel like you're equally responsible, but your personalities are so freaking different. That like. Yeah, but like, I trust you equally.

[C]

I mean, he's like, he's sitting here with the opposite someone, like, he wants like, looks so great.

[B]

Well, I'm gonna freaking grow out saying like this.

[A]

And I'm just like, that's what you're wearing for the podcast. And Lincoln's like, yeah. What does it feel like when you think about the difference? Well, I guess you don't really know the difference, but when you hear stories about me being 16 versus you being 16, like what?

[C]

Different.

[A]

Very different. Lincoln, I didn't ask you. Okay?

[C]

There's a year and like one year anniversary until you got pregnant. So.

[A]

You had me. Mike.

[B]

This is what you get for having them on.

[A]

Anyway. No, we needed. We love comments from the peanut gallery. Even though I say that I don't like it. It's funny. It is.

[B]

She says it all the time. We keep her humble.

[A]

That's a fact. So when you hear stories about the things that I was doing at your age versus where you're at, what. How do you feel? What do you think? Or do you not really think about it?

[B]

I don't know, I. It's just, it's in the back of my mind, you know, but, you know, I think. I don't know, I'm. I'm like proud to be doing better than you, you know, cuz, you know, I'm not smoking weed and you know, going around, you know.

[A]

Riding dirty into Kwan's minivan. Yeah.

[B]

I'm. I'm learning other languages and acting, you know. Oh, much better, you know.

[A]

But you know, it's so fascinating for me because I don't. I literally just said this before you got in. Like, I don't know how that has been possible to raise you. And obviously I'm not by myself. Like, your dad raises you over at his house and like just is thinking about how good of a human you are versus what I was doing. Like, I. It almost seems impossible for someone like you to come from someone like us, cuz your dad was doing the same I was doing. You know what I mean? So it's not like he's. People can't be like, oh, well, it was definitely Joe. It's like, no.

[C]

And he also wasn't like going boy after boy after boys.

[A]

This is going to be a long night. Imagine when you have to do a whole hour with him. Lincoln's episode might be postponed until the day he turns 16.

[B]

Oh, Lincoln might want to be on your meds during that episode.

[A]

I'm on my meds now and they're not working.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What are you looking forward to, like, what are you most looking forward to this year?

[B]

I think a lot of change will be happening this year with driving, making decisions about school. Thinking about college, too.

[A]

Have you thought about colleges?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you thought about the fact that you would be living on your own, like, in another place? Like, does that scare you at all? Are you kind of, like, ready for it?

[B]

No, I'm not ready for it because.

[C]

I mean, Elliot's doing.

[A]

I wonder what the dynamic will be between you and Lincoln at that time, because I would imagine that, like, Mom's.

[C]

Gonna be so messy. I'll never clean it.

[B]

Like, he already doesn't, so.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Nothing new.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's so funny because Elliot's so clean, and Lincoln is not dirty, but he's like, me. I'm messy. I'm not like. Like, I'm clean. Like, things are sanitized clean, but they're messy. Lincoln definitely takes after me in that. How do you think you'll handle him going off to college?

[C]

Oh, I mean, I have more space, less drama.

[B]

You see this? Yeah. Like, such a hater. Until he needs something.

[C]

Like, with me, Luxing Creed are, like, running around like, we're fighting. Ali doesn't have to, like, be in there. Like, just stop it. You know, like, we could just.

[A]

Oh, so you're a fun killer, huh? Are you a fun killer?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're the oldest. You're the fun killer. You don't want them running around in your space, actually.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, actually, never mind. I definitely am.

[A]

You're the fun killer.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay. That's okay.

[B]

When it comes to the invading my personal space and coming to my room and.

[A]

Yeah, that's fair. What do you think has changed the most between 15 and 16? Besides, obviously, the age? Like, do you feel like there were any, like, big changes in 15 or before you turned 16?

[B]

Yeah, the responsibility. I think the realization hitting the building up to that moment where I actually am 16, you know, it's kind of, you know, it's a lot to think about.

[A]

Well, I think the other day you were starting to feel, like, real stress, and all stress is real. The real stress that comes with, like, managing time and your tasks and your responsibilities is, like, you have your responsibilities at your dad's, which I don't know what they are. You have your responsibilities at my house, which are, like, your cat making sure your laundry is done. You know, things like that. And then you are also stressed about, like, okay, you have drama club, ASL club, your homework. And so a lot of those things are about time. Management and trying to work through them and deciding what's best for you. And I think that can be really challenging during this time, because freshman year, I think, is a little bit more flexible. And now you're 16 during your sophomore year, and you're trying to, like, really find a balance because you're the one that has to do the lesson plans for ASL Club, right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Nobody helps me with that.

[A]

And then you also want to balance a social life and time with your family and then time to yourself. Right. I think that's like, a huge challenge for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know where you're at. Right.

[B]

Which is almost impossible.

[A]

I mean, well, imagine if you had to go to work on top of all that.

[B]

I couldn't at all. I'd have to quit drama club. Honestly, that would be the only way.

[A]

You really think that, like, that's how you feel?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Be the only way. Because how. Because there's no hours between getting home from drama club and getting ready, like, situating myself, also balancing a job. They're like, there's no way to manage time there. Like, there's no time to do that. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like. I mean, even social media is hard because by the time I'm either done with my homework or, you know, figuring out my life, figuring out the next day, figuring out, like, whatever, having that time to myself or to my family, by that time, I don't even think about filming a video.

[A]

Right. And for a long time, that was like, you were making money on there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. And then you become burnout, and you don't want to make the content. And I think that's fair. I think there's.

[B]

Well. Well, sometimes it's not that I don't want to. It's also that. Well, it is the burnout, but it's also that I don't have the time for it. I mean, like. And I get lazy with it. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Because if they're. If you have to make sacrifices, social media is going to be the first one.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, at least that's the way I see it. It's like everything else is a priority. You don't have to do social media if you don't want to. Have you, Lincoln noticed in your brother, like, the stresses that he's under being in high school? Like, all of his responsibilities? Or is that something that you really haven't paid attention to too much?

[C]

I haven't even paid, like, attention, like, at all.

[A]

Like. Oh, okay.

[C]

Like, at all.

[A]

Okay. No, no. Problem. What's something about you that hasn't changed at all?

[B]

Being gay?

[C]

I was literally thinking that.

[A]

Oh, my God. Do you guys ever give me a minute? Like, we. For real.

[B]

I saw that question on the list and I was like, that's my answer.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's like the only thing.

[A]

I mean, what do you think you. How do you think you've grown? Like, what is the biggest way that you've grown? You've seen the most amount of growth up until this point?

[B]

I'd say passion.

[A]

For what?

[B]

ASL and acting?

[A]

More passion or less.

[B]

More.

[A]

Okay, I like that. Do you have anything that you would like to say to your dear brother for his 16th birthday?

[C]

I hope it treats you well. Have a great time being unc.

[B]

Unknown. Thanks.

[C]

Peace out, dude.

[A]

How do you feel like you know yourself better now than you did a few years ago?

[B]

Well, I think being gay has a lot to do with it because.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, because, I mean, that is a big part of who I am, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Or at least a decent part of who I am. So I think coming to realization, becoming comfortable with it.

[A]

I don't want to make this whole episode about you being gay, but do you think that you ever went through a. A period of time or like, a phase where you were like, I don't want to be gay and like, I don't want to accept this? Or did you always, like, you just knew and you don't care and you're accepting it and learning?

[B]

Oh, I've always accepted it. Oh, but if I had the choice, I'd choose to be straight.

[A]

You would? Why? Why is that?

[B]

Well, for one, actually, there's only one answer. The. There's. Being gay comes with a struggle. Like, that's not like, yes, it's like, manageable. Like, I'm okay with it. Like, I. I'm happy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But, you know, it's much harder because that makes me a minority, you know?

[A]

I mean, there's more adversity, you think, versus being straight.

[B]

And also when it comes to, like, making friends, for example, like, it's different than my childhood when I didn't realize it yet. You know what I mean?

[A]

Nobody was, like, nobody was worried about a sexuality at that time versus now. You think that it's more challenging.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. But do you feel like where you're at in life right now, you do have a core group of friends that don't care that you're gay?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good. I'm glad. What does being yourself and accepting the fact that you're Gay mean to you right now?

[B]

I think it builds a lot of confidence knowing when I first realized I'm gay and, you know, like building up to coming out, you don't have that confidence until it's building up, but then like in between you don't really have that confidence. You know, like you feel like you're in alone in that situation. And, you know, obviously I knew. I knew I had people that I'm able to go to, but not who would understand at the level that, you know, like experience wise, like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, I mean.

[A]

No, yeah, I do. I think it would have been helpful if you had a gay male as someone that was in your inner circle. That would have maybe helped a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But obviously I don't really know. Like, we don't have gay men in our circle too often. More gay women, I would say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Has it been challenging for you to figure out who Elliot is because of one, I guess, public opinion, but two, because of, you know, the different family dynamics at my house. At my house and then the dynamic at your dad's house. Do you feel like it's been challenging?

[B]

Yes and no. I feel like the public doesn't really affect who I am. Like, people have their opinions and I don't, I don't. I'm not really affected. I just, you know, because I know who I am. These people don't know me at all. They've never met me a day ever. I mean, for the most part.

[A]

Right. So you don't find that super challenging at all?

[B]

Not. Not really. Good.

[A]

I'm glad. That actually makes me feel pretty good about. Because I know that you've been on social media and stuff and that's hard as a mom. I think it's like an internal conflict. It's like, obviously I know you're all your friends are on social media, but you're sort of. Your situation's a little different than theirs because they weren't on tv and so they don't. There may be some opinions, but not quite on the level that you might get it. And so I could see why that would maybe be challenging for you. But I mean, that's good to know that it doesn't affect you.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I don't really. I don't talk about it with anyone like, that I'm close with usually. Like, I don't.

[A]

You don't talk about, like, comments and stuff like that?

[B]

No, like. Like I don't really talk about being in the public eye in general to, like, friends or anything.

[A]

Right. Right, right.

[B]

I think maybe when it was, when I was younger was different because I didn't understand completely the situation that I was in, you know, but now I don't. I don't really. It doesn't really affect me.

[A]

When you are making decisions, how much weight does public opinion hold for you? Like, I remember the other day I had told you that I have a surprise for you on Sunday, and you said that you didn't want that on Instagram, and I completely respect that and understand. So, like, I guess, how do you decide what you're willing to put out there and what you're not?

[B]

I think it's just a matter of personal information also. You know, like, for example, like, I wouldn't want to post pictures or videos of, like, getting my new house, like getting a house or apartment or whatever, because that stuff is easily found. And even if I don't post it, I know there's a possibility, you know, someone just might so happen to see me exit the house or something.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And. But there's always the chance that it won't happen also. So if I were to share that, the chances increase the chances, yeah.

[A]

And I would. I would guess that it's like, it's not just you being a public figure, it's also being gay. Right. If people know where you live or like, what car you drive or whatever, it's like, not just is it Elliot from Teen mom, but it's also like, you could be subjecting yourself to other dangerous situations. That's fair.

[B]

Yeah. And I also. Yeah, it's just like I don't want people. Like, there are things that I'm okay sharing to the public, like my hobbies, what I love to do, what I'm passionate for, vacations I go on. To me, it's just like a common sense to what I think is personal on the level where it's not supposed to be shared online and what is. Okay, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. I mean, I guess hobbies I would. And passions, I would say is personal to me, but it's not like a safety issue. Yes, yes. That's what it is, though.

[A]

Okay. As your mom and as an adult, I have not really been great with boundary setting and sticking to my boundaries. So even if I come up with something that I'm like, I'm gonna do this, I have a hard time sticking. It's like the follow through. But you don't. That I have noticed you do not have those same struggles. You are more rigid in your boundaries. How did you get there?

[B]

I think it's from, well, from being on tv, I think it's. And from seeing your experience and people around me, I think it's just a matter of learning from that. Like I see that and I build my own foundation from that.

[A]

Can you give me an example?

[B]

Like, I watched you put your relationships online and personally I wouldn't.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because one, it's not something that I want people to know about and two, if it's told, people will dig deeper. And especially if you show someone's face or say a name, they, you know, it's not hard to find.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So.

[A]

Okay, I mean, I feel like that's fair. What is the best part of your life right now, where you're at?

[B]

I think knowing what I want in life and knowing what I want to do with myself and know what I want career wise and what I want personally and goals and of that nature.

[A]

So you just kind of decide what you want for yourself and your future and kind of plan accordingly along the way. Okay. I mean, I feel like that's not all teenagers can do that. Like sometimes that's really challenging for people in high school. And honestly people in their 20s too still don't know what they want. And I think that that's. There's, I don't want to call it controversy, but there is definitely conversation surrounding people having to choose what they want to do for the rest of their life by the age of 18 and then going to college for this decision that they had to make and sort of didn't have to, they didn't, they weren't able to not make the decision and then 10 years later they find themselves completely unhappy. And I think that that's, that can be really hard for some where other people are more versatile and can kind of switch careers and like do that. But I feel like you've kind of set yourself up to the point where it's like, okay, I want do this, but if this doesn't work out, I also can do this. And I think that's really cool. And not a lot of people can say that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you want to talk about what you want to do for a living?

[B]

Yeah, sure. I mean, I'm pretty open about it, you know, because it's kind of what I built my social media off of, you know, is. I mean my first real was an ASL video, so. And that's one of the biggest things is one, I'm just like so happy that I've run into it this early because if it wasn't for that and also you not pushing me to join a club, do an extracurricular at school. I wouldn't have really fell in love with ASL and theater, you know, so. And I've come so far from it. Like, it's been years now that I've done asl. I am practically fluent. I mean, you know, it's very exciting and I can't see my life without it.

[A]

Did you ever think that you would get into asl?

[B]

I think that it was meant to be. I do, because, I mean, even. Even if it wasn't introduced to me at the time that it was for me to get interested, go on YouTube, watch videos and stuff and teach myself, I think that I would have ran into it another time and was still feeling that same interest and curiosity for it.

[A]

And you didn't just self teach, you also take classes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like after you kind of gained interest in it, you then took classes.

[B]

Yeah, and I think that teaching myself on YouTube for free was the starting point, you know, like, I kind of had to do that in order to start taking classes because just to see if I'm fully interested in it. And you know, I don't know if you remember, but that summer that I started learning, learning it, like, that's all I would do. I would just be in my room on my computer watching ASL videos. That's it.

[A]

But I feel like that's a good, productive way to use YouTube, I think so often we just scroll and scroll and scroll and it's just like whatever grabs our attention. We might watch for a minute or two and then we just keep it moving. I think that using YouTube to teach yourself something or to be productive, I think is the better way to use it. Not saying that I don't scroll on.

[B]

My phone, but I mean, we all do it.

[A]

Yeah, of course, if I'm gonna be.

[B]

Honest that I get that crave a lot to want to learn something new.

[A]

But then it's like, how interested are you? Like, you want to sort of like test the waters a little bit before you, like, dive head first. Yeah, but I think that's good though, right? Like, if you get some kind of like interest in something. Like I just went to the planner store yesterday and I'm like, before I buy the planner that I built online for 500, let me go get a cheaper one for first to see if I can commit to this the way that I have it in my brain, you know, the meds are working, the meds are working, the meds are medicating. Because before I would be like, oh, I need to go balls to the walls and just go, order this right now. Get into the class, do whatever I need to do. Same for law. Like, I want to be a lawyer, but, like, let me start with one class, and let's start from there. Do you feel like us growing up together sort of propelled you to have tunnel vision and, like, commit to your. Where you see yourself going?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. And I'm really grateful for that because some people don't know where they're going and don't know what rocks they're gonna hit.

[A]

Same.

[B]

Yeah, same. Yeah. And, you know, some people don't know what they want to do in their life and maybe are scared to try new things or maybe trying everything, scared to end up nowhere.

[A]

You know, I think that's a pretty common fear across the board, for sure. What do you. What would you say is the hardest part of your life right now?

[B]

Time management.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because, you know, I like to do a lot of things. Like, I. I love, like, doing lots of things. I love junk journaling. I like to read. I do like to read. And, you know, sometimes I don't always have the time that you do for it. Sometimes you don't exactly. Sometimes you don't even have the time for it. So, I mean, I would love to read more. And, you know, I've been reading the House Made the past two days.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

A big part of that. The reason why I'm able to is time management. One, it's required in life, but for me to do things that I love to do, I kind of have to, because it's never gonna get done.

[A]

I wish I could tell you that it gets easier. And I wish I could tell you that you'll have less things to do the older you get, but that is not true at all. And I wish that I could tell you, oh, once you get through school, then you'll get a job, Right? That's great. But, like, the job replaces school, and you still have to make time for your family, your friends, yourself, your reading, your journaling, whatever it is that you, like, want to do with or without kids, with or without a partner, you still have to all the time management things. So I wish I could tell you it gets easier, but it does not. Yeah, sorry. You're taking driver's head. You're about to be on the road.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there anything that scares you about driving? Is there anything that you're excited about driving?

[B]

I think one. The freedom is exciting. You know, I. And also not being dependent on someone Else, because either I'm dependent on a ride to school or the bus. And I think that is great. I think it's something to look forward to. But the one thing I'm nervous about is getting overstimulated on the wheel. I get overstimulated easily. It's hard for me to multitask, depending on what it is.

[A]

Okay, do you think that, first of all, let me backtrack. What do you mean by more freedom? Because what the. Do you think you're gonna be doing?

[B]

Well, not what you were doing at 16, thank God. So, yeah, no, I think just not having. It's more dependency. It's more like being more independent.

[A]

Okay. So, like, you asked me about a ride tomorrow to a game, and it's like, you wouldn't have to ask for a ride because you'd be able to take your car if you had permission to go. Yeah, okay. I think that's fair. So it's more like not having to, like, ask me for a ride. It's like more like, hey, can I go to this? And you don't need a ride. You just want to be able to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you feel like you got to have a childhood, or do you feel pressures of having to grow up quickly?

[B]

I would say I had a childhood, but obviously it was different being on TV 24 7. Or not 24 7, but most of the time, yeah.

[A]

What do you feel like was different from your childhood than other kids your age?

[B]

No one that I am close to or know of or at least at my school, like, no. Nobody grew up with a camera in their face.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It posted online, and, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that's what made. That's what built my awareness and caution, especially in public, because a camera is always on me. So, you know, obviously, like, watching what I say and do, I mean, from a very young age, I didn't understand that. But, you know, the older you get.

[A]

The more you realize.

[B]

And that's what makes us overthinkers, Honestly.

[A]

That's fair. I definitely think that it has exacerbated being an overthinker. More anxiety. I would agree with that. What do you think is something that adults don't understand about teenagers?

[B]

Maybe that we are human too, and we. Well, I think people understand that part. I mean. Yes.

[A]

I don't know. Sometimes I think that adults expect so much out of teenagers, and you're like, they're literally human. Like, they're gonna up. They're gonna miss a homework assignment sometimes they're gonna talk back sometimes Like, I don't know. I. Sometimes they think that adults look at teenagers like, what the is he gonna do with his life? You know? And it's like, do you feel like there are so many pressures and expectations on you and on teenagers as a whole?

[B]

For sure, yeah. I think it's. Especially with school, really.

[A]

See, I'm. The school thing is, I. I'm conflicted about the school thing because the kids are not reading at school. Everybody's on Chromebooks. Nobody's paying attention. Everyone has adhd. Everyone's not happy with the teachers. The teachers are overworked and underpaid. Well, I don't feel like we're learning. Like, Lincoln came home after that school tour that you guys did, the private school. And he literally looked at me and he said, the difference in the curriculum. He said, I feel like I know nothing at my public school. And there he recited to me everything he learned. Not everything, but he recited to me so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of the stuff that he learned at that private school. And I was shook because I'm like, what are they even teaching you at public school at this point? You know what I mean? So it's like, on one hand, it's like you're not teaching them what they need to know at school, and then you're sending them home with ass homework. That does nothing for them. Yeah. It's not like the education at the school is matching the work that they're sending them home with. It's all basically useless information that we're never going to need in life. So part of me is like, you're having these crazy expectations for these kids in school, but it's not doing anything. Like, we're still. We're dumber than ever.

[B]

Stole my word.

[A]

What are you most excited about learning this coming year? So basically 16 to 17 and beyond.

[B]

I think learning to drive.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And, you know, getting used to it. I, like, I'm excited for the experience, I think.

[A]

Is there anything you're nervous about in the coming year besides driving? Not related to your car driving. Nothing.

[B]

Just having more responsibility and getting closer to 18.

[A]

That's gonna come so quick.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, I'm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's almost like I have, like, mentally skipped over 16 because I'm already. Like, I only have two years left. Right. Like, and obviously we'll have a relationship beyond, but it's like, once you. If you ultimately decide to go to college, it's like, you'll be gone most of the time, and you'll only be home for breaks and summers and Then I have to split that small amount of time with your dad. So it's like such a weird. Like the days are long, but the years are so short. And like I don't even know how we got to 16, let alone 18 is two years away.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

College is on the horizon. What, what are your goals in terms of your school? So like what are, what are some must haves when it comes to picking the schools that you're going to apply to? Like what are you looking for?

[B]

I am looking for major in interpreting.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or minor. But majors. I think you kind of gave me this perspective. Or asl. Interpreting is a solid choice and acting is not something that's guaranteed and it's also not something that's going to happen right away. It's build up. So I think that it would be more important to prioritize ASL and major in ASL and minor in performing arts.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And also I think I would want it to be simultaneous, you know, so I can like go back and forth, like if I end up getting a good like a role, you know, spend some time on that and go back to ASL once it's over.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, I feel like that, I feel.

[B]

Like that you can like. I could do that and that's. That could work. You know.

[A]

What's something that you're really proud of yourself for?

[B]

Learning ASL on my own, or at least starting on my own.

[A]

You know, I would argue it's all on your own. Not that you didn't take classes, but it's like you found that interest, you did the work. Because a lot of people will be so excited and like, oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. And then they don't follow through. You were like, okay, ASL kind of dabbled in it a little bit and then you fully like immersed yourself in it and I think that's really cool.

[B]

I feel like I dived right, right in.

[A]

Well, yeah, but I'm just saying like you actually followed through with like the, the interest, if, if you understand what I mean. What are you most proud of as a human? Not, not like an accolade, right? Like not an interest or something, but.

[B]

Like as a person, maybe the drive to want to make a meaningful change in the world, you know, Like I want to. Not only do I want to do asl, I want it to make a difference in people and I want it to benefit people and maybe change perspectives, build awareness and make a more wholesome community.

[A]

You Know your drive to do that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I like that. Yeah. Do you feel like you have learned anything over the last year? Like coming into your own, building this confidence, kind of not really giving a. What the public has to say. Do you feel like you've taken away any lessons from all of that or like any. Yeah. Any takeaways?

[B]

Yeah, I think that is the lesson is to not care what other people think and less overthinking about opinions of the public and being. Staying true to myself.

[A]

Right. Okay. If you could tell your younger self one thing, what would it be? So think about little Isaac, not Elliot, because that is fairly new little Isaac. What would you say to him?

[B]

I would say that he is going to find his people, he is going to find what he loves to do, and he's going to do great things.

[A]

Okay. What is your favorite comfort food?

[B]

My favorite comfort food is empanadas. Specifically my grandma's.

[A]

That hasn't changed in a long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is the song that you have on repeat right now.

[B]

On the topic of turning 16, getting older by Billy Eilish?

[A]

I don't think I've heard that one. What is your favorite way to like, have Elliot time? Like, what do you do in your own time?

[B]

I play video games occasionally. There's not a lot of time for that right now, obviously, because, you know, busy man. But. But I also like to junk journal. I like to read now, you know, somewhat new in the last few months. I like to collect vinyls. Yes, that one. I was. It was there. I. I like to collect vinyls. Love listening to music. I love concerts. Concerts are my favorite thing. Yeah, I do a lot.

[A]

So, you know, one word to describe being 16.

[B]

Different.

[A]

Different. You feel like it's a different milestone than 14 or 15. I would agree. I think 13 is a big one because you're going from, you know, that preteen stage 13, you turn, you're a teenager and then 14, 15 is okay. But then 16, you're like, okay, I have to drive. I have to start thinking about colleges. I have to start deciding, like, making big decisions. You gotta figure out time management in a different way than, you know, Lincoln, his time management is school and sports because nine times out of 10, his friends are at the sports. Yeah, right. And when you are in high school and classes are changing and you're. You're starting to really decide what your interests are, your interests might not. Might not align with the friend group that you had. So I think that it's just very different than, like, I don't know what for Lincoln, right? Like, time management and things like that. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is one thing you hope people remember about you?

[B]

I would like people to remember my impact on people, or at least my effort to make an impact, you know, for others, because that's truly what I want to do.

[A]

Just make a difference.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What is being six. What does turning 16 mean to you personally?

[B]

It means that I am growing, changing, becoming a better, better self than I was before.

[A]

Do you feel like 18 is as close as it feels to me? Like, do you feel like it's just as close as I feel like it is, or do you feel like that day might never like it? It feels like it's still far enough away that it. You have time.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

That's so interesting, because I feel like when I was 16, I felt like 18 was still so far away, but I also had a very different dynamic. I feel. So it was like, oh, my God, I just need to turn 18 for this to happen, where, like, he doesn't really have that same. You don't have that same, like, urgency, like, sense of urgency. You can kind of, like, slow down a little bit. I just, like, can't. I was literally getting into so much trouble when I was 16 and 17. Like, I don't.

[B]

Oh, we know. We know. I was just gonna say, we know.

[A]

It's so weird to, like, look at you and Lincoln and really be like, I had a hand in raising you guys, and you're both better people than me.

[B]

Well, that's the success of being a parent, though.

[A]

Do you ever have, like, conversations about or not even conversations, like, thoughts about, like, anything that you've learned from your dad or from me that you're like, I absolutely do not want to be that way, or, I do not want to have that habit, or, I absolutely do not do this.

[B]

Yeah, okay. Absolutely.

[A]

You don't have to throw your dad on the under the bus, but you can throw me under the bus. So what. What are some of those things? The reason why I'm asking, just for context, is, like, a lot of people will know my story about my mom, and I always say that I could have gone down two very different paths. Like, I could have done the path that I went down, which had its own challenges, or I could have been just like her. And I quickly learned what not to do. So I. Instead of, you know, being around alcohol all the time, instead of drinking the alcohol, I ran from it. So, like, things like that, where it's like, I learned what not to do. Yeah. So what are some things that you learned not to do from me?

[B]

You've helped me a lot with this, and also seeing it from you has helped, I think. Acting on impulse.

[A]

When do I do that?

[B]

That's like your cousin. More like your twin.

[A]

Okay. So impulsive. Okay. Impulsive. Impulsivity. Impulsivity. Impulsivity.

[B]

Impulsivity.

[A]

Okay. In, like, the things that I do or the things that I say or.

[B]

Both or, like, more what you say.

[A]

Oh, like, I'm impulsive. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fair. Anything else that you can think of?

[B]

I had another one, but I forgot it just now.

[A]

Thank God. I'm just kidding.

[B]

No, I could probably think of it, but he's like, oh, no, no.

[A]

Give me a second. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What did you learn not to do from your mother?

[B]

I learned not to be as impulsive with what she says.

[A]

Okay. I'm surprised that you went with what I say, because I feel like I'm less impulsive about the things I say, and I'm more impulsive about the things that I do. Does that make sense?

[B]

Well, I'm thinking, like, more negatives than neutral because I feel like the things that you do are pretty neutral. Like, you know, like, you. You are very impulsive when it comes to buying stuff.

[A]

That's what I mean. Like, I thought you were gonna say you learned not to be impulsive with your purchases, but yeah. What? I just run my mouth or, like, what?

[B]

Yeah, with what you say. I definitely think, like, you're very out of emotion. You like to post a lot of.

[A]

Things you don't say. Me? Never.

[B]

Yeah, like I said, you helped me a lot with that because, you know, all the leaks and stuff from the Pride episode, like, you knew I wanted to act on impulse and you wouldn't let me in, you know, and I knew it wasn't the right thing to do, but it was something.

[A]

So it felt urgent to you. That's something that I. Again. I'll say it again. I wish that I could tell you that that gets better. And I think the only way for that to get better is to literally be aware of it. Like, knowing that you are that way and kind of trying to talk yourself down. I think therapy is a really good option for that. But, like, that may never go away. Like, I'm on meds, and I still am impulsive, you know? Like, I still am. Like, I'm proceeding with caution a little bit more. But, like, I mean, it doesn't. It's not always linear. Right. Like, I went on a rant yesterday about Janelle So it's like I. On one hand, we're a little impulsive, and on another, it's like you might have to talk yourself down off a ledge. You know what I mean? Okay. It could be worse. I thought you were going to say something way worse, so I appreciate the, the feedback.

[B]

Another one is understanding the effects of certain things. For example, like vaping, smoking weed, drinking, like, things you did, you know, I.

[A]

Didn'T really drink, but.

[B]

Well, no, besides drinking, having me at 16, you know, like, you more so.

[A]

Look at like, the consequences and long term effects. Right. Like, I made a lot of the same mistakes over and over and over again until I didn't. You obviously grew up with me and watched the outcome. Like the ramifications of me doing that. And so is that like, more so, like what you're trying to say? Like, you watched me make a mistake and then you saw the consequences, sort of. Okay. I mean, I do feel like that's fair. I would agree. How do you think that my relationships have impacted you and your decision making when it comes to relationships? And I, I ask you this now because you're 16 and obviously you've been in a relationship before and there will be probably be more in your life. How do you think right now? And it could change, Obviously, when you're 20. When you're 25, you might look at it completely different. But how do you think that my, you know, your, your siblings have other dads. How do you think that's impacted your view on relationships?

[B]

I think it is important to know that being in a relationship, no matter how long it's been, there could possibly be a side of them that you don't know. And you will never know it until the day you die or the day that things hit the fan and you end up splitting up or worse.

[A]

Do you feel like my relationships have impacted you for better or for worse in the middle?

[B]

Mix of both.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Well, yeah, mix of both. You say trauma like you always. She always says, like, oh, I've traumatized you. And I'm like, no. Like, for some reason, like, I just don't feel the tr. Like, I don't feel trauma from it, like being on tv and like, Like, I don't feel trauma, I feel impact.

[A]

And they're different.

[B]

Trauma holds me back, but impact makes me stronger. So that's the thing.

[A]

Who are you?

[B]

You know, when you say trauma, like, you, you talk all the time about how you. You feel like you've traumatized me and my siblings. And I feel like it's not trauma to me at least it's more of an impact. And I think that, that there's a real difference. And I think that trauma is what holds you back and impact is what makes you stronger. This should be a goal not to cry. I love you so much.

[A]

You know, read every single day that I traumatize my kids.

[B]

She says it all the time and.

[A]

I'm like, well, I think it's something I worry about. It feels like it'll hurt less if I acknowledge it now and I learn to accept the things that I've done or that, you know, if I did cause trauma and I do recognize that there I might not really know until you guys are full blown adults. Yeah, you might not feel traumatized right now at 16, but you might come back to me at 26 and say like, just kidding, I'm traumatized. So it's scary as a parent to, you know, and I've talked about it before, but like, you know, you're 16, I'm sure you remember things from your childhood that I don't remember saying or doing. And I'll never, ever, ever, ever forget the tick tock I watched of this woman. And I've talked about it a hundred times. And she says, like, you could take your child to Disney every year and have the best time, but your child is traumatized from the time crashed out, the one time you crashed out versus the 10 Disney trips. And they remember this and they don't remember Disney. And so like, it's a scary place to be as a parent because it's like, yeah, for you specifically, like, I grew up with you and so you being 16 is not just a turning, like a milestone for you. It's a milestone for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's still scary because I feel like I had a hand in doing a good job. But we don't really know. Like, it just feels like you might come back and be like, I did this despite you, not because of you.

[B]

You really, like, own everything that you've said, done, whatever. And some people can't or won't do that. And that's the line between trauma and impact is what holds you back. And you might remember it for the rest of your life and you will, but it's how you approach it and how you decide to move forward.

[A]

It's just so like, when I think about my own childhood and my mom was, you know, married by me, like legal marriage or common law marriage, seven times that I can remember, maybe even more. And I'm like, honestly, that wasn't traumatizing for me. That part of it that I read so often about myself is that, like, I've traumatized you. I'm traumatizing my kids. This is awful. This is. The people don't like me because I have kids with four men and I'm, you know, I'm dating again, and I don't feel traumatized. But that doesn't mean that you won't be traumatized. That doesn't mean that Lincoln and Lux and Creed and everybody won't be traumatized. And so I just worry about you guys. And I never want something that I do to negatively impact or traumatize or affect you that would. That you have to recover from it. Right. Because I do think that there are things that you. That could happen in your life that you don't necessarily like, again, impact. But I don't want you to have to recover from things that I've done or things that I've said or people that I've dated. Like, I don't want you to have to recover.

[B]

And that's how I look at it with you. So what?

[A]

How do you look at it with me?

[B]

That you're just figuring it out.

[A]

You look at me now that way?

[B]

No. Well, yes, but mostly your 20s, you know, like, account from every.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah. So you've kind of given me grace. You feel like.

[B]

Well, yeah, I kind of have to. Everyone. Everyone deserves that grace.

[A]

So do you feel like I give you grace?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you upset with me yesterday when I told you about your time management?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You were upset?

[B]

Yeah. Because. Well. And it was wrong for me to.

[A]

Be upset because, I mean, all your feelings are valid. You can be. Both can be true. You can be upset with what I'm saying, and it. What I'm saying can also be true. Yeah.

[B]

And I think with that situation, I think we, like, we didn't have the same point of view, so. And we don't share our mind. So that's, you know, just for context.

[A]

Elliot, he's in drama club, and if he does not send me the schedule for drama club and it's not on the calendar, I am operating as if he's not going to drama club.

[B]

I am much like you. I forget things and I don't fully look at things, you know, like.

[A]

And that is why the time management in the calendar is a necessity at all times for every person in our family. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't.

[B]

Been there with your mom. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like. Exactly like her.

[A]

But it is Very important to add things to a calendar so that everyone is in the know. Especially with a family our size, like, it's very challenging. And Elliot, we. I was getting ready for bed one night, and Elliot comes into my bathroom, and I. My. My, like, owner's suite bathroom is. Is pretty big. And so he's sitting at my vanity in my vanity chair, and I'm, like, leaned up against the counter, and he's telling me about permissive parenting and authoritative. Authoritative parenting and things like that. And then he was talking about meeting needs of your children. And he was. One of those things was like, emotional needs. And I think so often, especially in a family of seven, it can be very difficult with different personalities to know when one of them is struggling with something versus another. And so with that being said, I had Elliot that, like, a lot of times, because he is the most stable, because he's the oldest and I say the most stable. I use that lightly. Lincoln is very stable. The littles are a little bit harder because they're still trying to find their footing. But, you know, Elliot sort of had the responsibility of maintaining most of his own schedule. But that also comes with, like, I also still have to prioritize his emotional needs. And so we were having that conversation, and I think that. That, you know, scheduling time. I don't know how I got on this subject, actually. But you came. Oh, authoritative parenting and emotional needs and things like that. But in order for us to. For me to meet all the needs, I need to have your schedule.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I gotta know when I can make time. I know that I asked you during this whole episode some lessons that you've learned or, like, the biggest lesson that you've taken away. I would say, as your mom, an outsider looking in, one of the things has been the scheduling, the time management. And that's true because that was not the first time that we've had a scheduling conflict. It was like. And they're little, right? And everybody goes through it. So I'm not. I don't want you to feel like I'm attacking you, but it was just like the last minute. And I do it too. Like, I'm guilty of it too. Is like, I expect everyone to know what's going on in my brain. And so it's like, that's exactly how I. You'll come to me and you'll say something to me, and I'll be like, what the are you talking about? About? I don't say that to him. I don't say what the. In my head, I'M like, what the is he talking about? Like, you never said that and you didn't, but you thought you did. You thought that I knew what was going on based on what you just said. And it's like I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, but yeah, I. Looking outside, looking in, I think the time management and like, making sure that you don't make the same mistakes I do in terms of like scheduling and last minute things because I will expect someone to know what I have going on or when plans change. And I look at you and I'm like, when were you gonna tell me that that plan changed? Like, I've said that to you over the last, like, couple weeks.

[B]

But another thing though is sometimes it sucks because other people are last minute. So then by the time it gets to her, it's extra last minute.

[A]

And I think that's not just a you problem, that's an everybody problem. So it's just like trying to like, really just focus on what you can control. Just trying to get you into the habit of not doing what I did because, I mean, I was well into my 20s while I was still doing that and still up. And so just like trying to teach you now because as you go get older and you're going to college, there's not going to be a Rebecca and an Alessandra and a Kale and a Krista. There's not going to be that. No one's going to be holding your hand. Like, it's not even. Because you were talking about the other day when you were doing your homework and you were talking about certain teachers being more reasonable than others. Like, once you get into like the time management piece will follow you for the rest of your life. And I think that part of being a parent is trying to set your kids up for success in that way. And I. That's been really challenging because all of you guys have such different personalities. And I mean, there was a time where I didn't know what the hell was. Like, I didn't know what the was going on, you know, and then somehow out of nowhere, you just like, matured. And now I feel like I could tell you something and you'll implement it, like in a way that's beneficial. Not like one ear and out the other. You know what I mean?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But. Okay, so that's all I have for this episode. Is there anything else you would like to say before we go on being 16? Lessons, trials, tribulations, anything? No.

[B]

Think covered a lot.

[A]

Do you want to tell people where to follow you on socials.

[B]

Isaac, Ellie are on Instagram and you'll find everything else from there so perfect.

[A]

Thank you so much for coming on Barely Famous. Happy birthday.

[B]

Thank you.

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[E]

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