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Sugar Shane Mosley on Legacy, Grit & The Fight Within | Coffeez for Closers
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A
His last fight, I mean, he's still in fighting shape. You know, he's fought in Pacquiao. He's fought Floyd Madeweather. He's fought, I mean, Oscar, Oscar De La Hoya, you name it. Every champion that you guys all know or grew up with or your parents know and follow, this man has fought them and beat many of them. So it's just an honor to have you on the show today. You, you know, you grew up with boxing gloves on your hand. Like you come from a lineage pretty much of boxers. Was it your father?
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B
Well, my father boxed, but not really like the boxing that I did professionally, whatever. He was more of a, you know, he grew up in Watts, so he had to, you know, do more of the fights in the street. And. Yeah, you know, he was in gymnastics and other type of sports like that. But very strong physically. Very strong. Yeah.
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A
Nice. Now, when did you know, like, boxing wasn't just a sport? This was just. This was gonna be your life.
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B
I knew when I was like 9 years old that boxing was gonna be my life. I knew that I wanted to be the world champion. I knew that I wanted to be great because at that young age, I. I said to myself, you know, it's a one on one sport, and I determine if I'm gonna win or not. If the kids are my size and my age, there's no way they're gonna beat me. So I took to the challenge and, you know, boxing, I just fell in love with boxing right away. And actually watching, like, Sugar Ray Leonard and a lot of those guys at that time, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tom Hearns and Brother Duran, you know, those guys actually motivated me to be the top five that I was, you know, even then.
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A
So is that where the name derived from? Because I love Sugar Ray Leonard, too. But did you get it after Sugar Ray?
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B
The name was given to me probably because of Sugar Ray Leonard. You know, I used to wear the Sugar ray gloves in 1980. I started boxing in 1979. Sherwood Leonard was like the champion in 1980, so he was a big thing. So I was like, we're gonna call you Sugar Shane. And it just stuck with me all the way through, you know, I remember meeting Sugar Robinson and his wife and telling them, my name is Sugar, too. You know, and then she's like, you have to be good to be a Sugar. And I'm like, well, I'm really good. I'm gonna be the best, you know. So, yeah, it just stuck with me. Everybody would announce my name when I was fighting, when I was like 12, 11 years old. My name was announced Sugar, Shane Mosley. When they announced me, it wasn't just Shane Mosley, Sugar, Shane. So it's been with me forever.
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A
You had your professional fight? First professional fight. At what age?
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B
I think I was 22 or 21. 22 years old. I waited till after the Olympics in 1992 to. To fight for professional. To fight professionally. The reason why, because the Olympics. But I could have probably turned professionally early. I was actually number one when I was 17 years old in the country and representing the United States for dual meets and stuff. From 17 to 21, I was the number one guy in the United States.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And was that in the Olympics?
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B
That was the Olympics. But I was on Olympic team, but I didn't go to Olympics. I lost to Vernon Forest and was an alternate for the Olympics. And yeah, so I was supposed to go, but I did actually beat the guy that was a super medalist and a dual meet, you know, so, I mean, I just. I just fell short, you know, and things like that happen.
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A
It happens. It happens. So from your early days to the big belts, what did winning mean to you back then and how has that definition of winning changed now?
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B
Well, back in the day, winning for me was everything. It's like I had to win before I fought for my first world title. I think I was 22 and, oh, like 21 knockouts or 23 and 22 knockouts. I knocked out pretty much everybody because I didn't want to go to the judges because you never know. Sometimes you never know what's going to happen with the judges. I'm like, I have to be one of the greats. I have to be a champion. And yeah, I don't even want the judges to even have a hand in this. But winning to me back then, it was more so like, you know, it's like an honor and achievement to be the world champion. It was. It felt like I was part of history because all the great champions, they held the belt with honor. Nowadays, it seems that the honor has changed, the mentality of box has changed, and it's more of how much money can we get? And even the ones that will fight for honor will turn to fight for the money, because the money seems to be. I mean, it's a great tool to have. You know, money. Money's great, right?
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A
Yeah. I mean, now these. These boxing tickets are insane. Yeah, they're insane tickets. I mean, can you get a fight, like, against Logan Paul?
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B
You know, like, that'd be a big ticket. Logan Or Jake. Yeah, I mean, it was funny because I actually trained Jake Paul, so I was one of his first trainers, so I don't think that that would ever happen. I mean, he is fighting guys like, like Jake Paul, I mean, like Javante Davis.
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A
So smaller than you?
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B
Yeah, Javante Davis is really small.
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A
I mean, that'd be a cool fight, you know, you and Logan, but it'd be probably rigged.
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B
Yeah. I mean, they have $20 million and 30 million and 50 million. I would definitely get in the ring and fight. I mean, that's a no brainer.
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A
Yeah, I mean, I think you'd fight for less than that. You're just a fighter.
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B
I'm really, I'm just a fighter. I love to fight and I get in the ring all the time with all these young fighters. So they're paying that type of money then. Yeah, that's, that's just no brainer.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But you know, at least I go out there and try. You know, I like to try.
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A
What's your opinion about the quality or the metric of these quality of fighters now that we're seeing these YouTube fight sensational fighters?
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B
I think that the fighters, they are good and they have a lot of great qualities. You know, the speed, power and, you know, moving around, I guess the physical part of it. But the only thing that's different is the mentality of the fighter. Back then and now I think the mentality is changing where they started to really go for it. I mean, Terence Crawford proved that, you know, he actually showed a great mentality and some old, old time, old school type of fighter fighting Terrence did. Terrence was. He showed a great variety of different styles where he can stay there and punch at the same time, make him move and like he did, he did a lot of great things in there. So I took my half to him. I think he did a great job. I actually thought Canelo was just too big, was going to win, but. But he definitely proved me wrong.
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A
Well, Terrence is an old school. He's a traditional fighter.
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B
He's more of a traditional fighter and so is Canelo and so is Canelo. But Canelo kind of fought. He didn't change. Whereas Crawford had different things in there. They changed and made Artford Canelo to catch up with him.
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A
Yeah, I think you said he knew kind of like he knew his strategy already.
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B
He knew the steps. He knew basically what he was going to do. And Canelo did the same exact thing every time. Threw one shot to the body or one shot to the head. And Crawford just Had to stay away from that and outpoint him, you know.
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A
Now you fought some of the biggest names in history, from De La Hoya to Coto to Mayorga to Mayweather to Pacquiao. But what was your hardest fight mentally and what was your hardest fight physically?
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B
Well, the hardest fight for both was actually Winky Wright. Winky. Ronald Wright was the hardest fight for me at southpaw. He was a southpaw G middleweight. He was a little bit bigger and he was very skilled because he can catch and throw, catch and throw. So the shots I was hitting him with didn't hurt. And he was just bigger to me, where he can just kind of lay on me or just kind of like, you know, smother me. And I couldn't do anything. So that was just a harder fight because I believe his size and his. His ability, he had great ability, too. It wasn't just size, it was his ability. Because if he was less than what he was, then I could have, you know, outpointed him or something. So he was actually. He was a great fighter.
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A
What year was that fight against Winky? Who?
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B
I'm thinking 2006 or seven, maybe.
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A
I remember that. I remember that name. I remember that fight.
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B
Yeah, he fought. He also after. Because I was supposed to fight Trinidad after that. Yeah, and he fought Trinidad instead. And he beat Trinidad too. Actually be Trinidad worse. I mean, I actually. It was a close fight with me and him, but Trinidad, they kind of like just outpointed him.
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A
Did you fight Trinidad?
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B
I didn't get a chance to because I lost a Winky now.
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A
So Winky Wright was harder. How's hard? And Canelo is harder than Mayweather Hard.
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B
All of them? Yeah, because of the style, like, they were more strategic. Mayweather and Canelo and. And Corals, they're more strategic where he was. It was just hard to fight him like a southpaw, but he was just tough.
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A
You didn't fight Canelo, did you?
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B
Yeah, I fucking know as well.
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A
You fought Canelo?
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B
Yeah, he was like 21. He was. He's a year older than my son. 40, 39 or 40.
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A
You fought him at 40?
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B
Yeah, I believe I was 40 years old when I. He was 21.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, when was your last big fight? How old were you?
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B
My last fight was with Mayorga. I did that promotion myself at the Forum when it was pretty good. 2016, maybe.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
And that was my last fight, you know. Well, that wasn't my last fight. Take the bat. My last fight was with David Evanescien. The Russian kid. That was my last fight and that was maybe 2016, so he was probably 2015.
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A
But you're still in great shape. You still look like you could get in the ring tomorrow.
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B
I could, yeah. I, I get the ring and I spar and move around like I'm still pretty good. I know my limits, you know, I know where I can go.
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A
But what are your limits? I mean, you seem like you're limited still.
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B
Yeah, I mean, you know, a limit would be like maybe getting Edward Crawford. You know, he's younger and you know.
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A
And you get in there with Crawford.
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B
Right now, I would, but that's kind of like Crawford.
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A
You hear that? The champ.
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B
Yeah, but I'm gonna say, but he's too young for me. I'm so. I wouldn't stop.
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A
30. He's 30. He's in the.
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B
Yeah, but, yeah, but I'm saying, like, I'll fight somebody different than that. That more, you know, like he's more out of the league. My son Shane Jr. Will fight him.
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A
When will he fight him?
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B
Probably pretty soon after my son wins the world title. He can fight Crawford at 160. I think Crawford's trying to go to 60 fight.
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A
And your son's fighting the world for the world title pretty soon.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. And December 6th, he'll be fighting be in Vegas and June grand be fighting against Ramos.
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A
Wow.
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B
So, yeah, he's giving. He was supposed to fight October 25th, but I think Fera hurt his hand and they postponed the, the, the date. So now he's going to be fighting December 6th, and I'm excited for that because he's been working very hard. It's a long time coming.
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A
Yeah. You've been training them?
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B
Yeah, well, I'm nice training my. There's another trainer, Eric. Give his last name, but Eric, he's a very, very good trainer out of Canada and he's been working with them. I give my son all the, all the tools he needs, like all the little different strategies like that. So I'm always there beside him. But. Yeah.
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A
How old was your son when he started boxing?
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B
He started when he was eight, but then he stopped and he came back to boxing at 16 or 15 or 16.
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A
It's just in his blood.
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B
Yeah, it says blood. Yeah, yeah. He, he wanted to fight, you know.
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A
So he picked up a pair of gloves. The same age you picked up a pair of gloves?
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B
Pretty much, yeah.
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A
Okay. You know, I'm, I'm just blown away by your level of fitness. Like, guys, you don't Even understand he literally looks the same, you know, the dude is ripped. What is your regimen to stay this fit? Still at 54. So start with the morning. What's your morning regimen?
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B
Well, it depends. It depends if I start working out, when I work out. But I think that the real reason is me going to the gym and kind of hitting the bags, so sparring with the kids, staying in shape that way. I think that just me being active as a fighter, not on the level that I was when I was fighting for world titles, but just being active, it keeps. Gives my body that type of, you know, that type of chisel where I could just stay, stay fit. I mean, that's the thing.
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A
Being active is not like you don't stay that chiseled, you know, I think that.
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B
And not eating as. But not overeating, Overindulging. Yeah, trying to. I'm more of a snacker anyway. And just.
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A
Yeah, you eat one meal a day, you mentioned.
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B
Well, yeah, one. One meal a day and I'm a snacker, so I. One good meal and then maybe snack here and there.
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A
What kind of snacks? Nuts or something?
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B
Nuts, Granola or. Which is. Granola's not really good, but the nuts are good, you know, I get pumpkin seeds and stuff like that, you know.
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A
Yeah. I can't imagine maintaining that body. That BMI at your age is like. I'm sure it gets harder, but.
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B
But not really. I mean once, once you get used to, you know, eat a certain way, then it's not hard at all, but it's just getting used to it.
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A
Now. What about outside the ring? What was a. What was the fight the public. The public never saw, but shaped. Shaped the man you became now the.
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B
Fight that the public.
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A
Yeah, like what's like one fight you've dealt with, you know, behind the media?
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B
Well, I wouldn't say fights. I would say it more of when you spar, when you go to the gym and spar. So I sparred with two world champions every day before I was world champion. I think that kind of molded me. Zach Padilla was 140 pound world champion and Chickenito General Hernandez was a 130 pound champion. I was fighting at 135, so I would spar with these guys almost every day. And, and I think that here in la. In la. Yeah, I think that made me. That kind of transformed me as a young fighter into a world champion. Helped me to understand what a champion, what it took to be a champion. Because there were two. I was sparring with two champions and I had to be good enough, better, or, you know, just good enough to. To be in the ring with them. Because if I wasn't, they would just, you know, that wipe me out, that dust me out. But they were, by me sparring with them all the time, they were actually winning all their fights. So they needed me to spar with them. And I knew, that's how I knew that I was going to be the next world champion, because I'm in the ring with two champions every day, so there's no way that anybody else is going to be able to mess with me.
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A
That's just unreal. So that's what people don't realize. It's like the work that goes into being a champion. People don't see that you're fighting champions before for. People don't see that you're like.
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B
I mean, when I was pouring it all out before I was the 15 years. I was 15 years old, I was in the ring with a Zuma nosa and sparring with him. And then. And then after the sparring session, Carl King go like, oh, my God, we want to sign you. My father's like, he's only 15 years old. You can't sign right now. He's not even pro yet. So I was. And I was sparring with a lot of work, like Hector Lopez and, you know, like all these world champions I was around.
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A
How did you get in front of those people? The gym you went to?
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B
I go to different gyms sparring different people. Yeah, I'll go to the gym. Me and my father will take me to the gym, and we will look up for the best person, the champion, the world champion. And we'll get in the room with them and work and try to be better, you know?
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A
So I feel like the world of boxing now, it's like, to be a good boxer, like, I'll give you. Where I live in Costa Mesa, like, there's only one real boxing gym. Everything else is like this, like, you know, trendy boxing gym.
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B
You got trapped to the hood a little bit, man. I did East La Pomona, Azusa, you know, Bowman Park. You gotta go. You gotta go to the real. You gotta go to the.
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A
They don't have those real boxing gyms.
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B
All this little fancy stuff, you know, where the gym is hot and, you know, they got air condition. You don't want air condition, you know.
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A
And they got music and it's like disco lights.
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B
Yeah, you need a small ring and hot and. And people looking at you crazy, you.
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A
Know, that's the Real. You don't see those Rocky style boxing.
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B
Gyms, real boxing gym and all that, that nice stuff.
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A
I, I've never, I don't think I've ever stepped foot in a box gym. You got like all of them are now like box house or, you know, rumble boxing. They're not real boxing gym. Have you ever seen these places?
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B
I've seen rumble box and that's not, that's just for people to go there.
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A
It's like for moms.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
To just work out.
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B
Yeah. I mean I, I go to gyms. All, all the rough gyms. Even now I go to rough gyms in Puerto Rico or in Mexico or wherever. Like I like to go to the hood and it goes to the gyms like that and see what they got, you know.
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A
Yeah. Now you're living in Puerto Rico.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And we described, you know, you got a lot of fans of Puerto Rico. What is it that drew you to live in Puerto Rico?
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B
Actually the people I actually started, I would. I moved there or went there when I was trying Jake Paul for Nate Diaz. And then from there I started meeting a lot of people there. I already knew a lot of people anyway. But I realized Puerto Rico is a boxing country. A boxing country or a state. Well, it's a territory of the United States. So I realized it was a boxing, you know. I guess you say territory territory. Yeah. So. And the people love boxing and I love boxing. So it's kind of like I would definitely want to give back and to the kids that really want to learn and they seem to really want to learn the sport and be the best, you know. So I love it. There's a lot of financial benefits as far as taxes concerned as well. So that's just lasting on the cake.
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A
Yeah. I mean, we were talking, we were having this conversation. It's like, you know, Philippines, Puerto Rico.
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B
Yeah.
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A
These people just adore you, you know, they just adore you. You go to Philippines, you go to Puerto Rico.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's like everybody knows Sugar Shane.
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B
Yeah. It's a whole different flavor and it's like.
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A
And every meal. 30 plus.
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B
Yeah, 30 plus, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's a. I think the good thing about Jake Paul is because he's getting the younger generation involved and so they can see who's, you know, who's who, I guess. But yeah.
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A
What's your opinion about this new reemergence of boxing amongst the youth? Like Jake Paul has really like, like reignited a fire for the love of boxing that didn't exist I would say boxing was a dormant sport for like a decade.
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B
Yeah, I mean, he's really getting behind, you know, the, the. The fighters out there in Puerto Rico and also the women. Women boxing. He's brung women boxing to another level. I mean, that's what.
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A
He's promoting it.
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B
He's promoting. Yeah, he's promoted women boxing and, and now in Puerto Rico or whatever, if you want to, you know, be involved with. With the fight game being a woman, because back in the day, you know, women boxing wasn't that big, but now, nowadays, you know, the, the women boxers are getting paid, and that's because of Jake Paul. So he's doing a great job.
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A
You know, I see that shift in a lot of women's sports, like basketball, for instance, you know, and I would have probably attribute Caitlin Clark to that, you know, but, like, women basketball is like, it. I think in like five years, it's going to be neck and neck with the NBA.
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B
That's impressive. Yes.
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A
You know, so you're starting to see this in boxing. You're seeing it in basketball. I mean, you're seeing it in, you know, you might see flag football, you know.
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B
Yeah, in a second. Yeah.
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A
You know, it's like right around the corner where you'll see a professional flag football.
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B
And these women fighters, they're actually pretty. They're actually good. You have good technique and power and stuff like that, you know, so it's getting more exciting. Before what probably wasn't exciting because it wasn't maybe as good, but the women boxing is really taking off, and they're really fighting a lot better now.
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A
Yeah. I mean, obviously we know this happens in the ufc, women's ufc, is obviously. He's insane. So now that you've lived through multiple eras of the boxing sport, what stands out to you the most about how the fight game has evolved?
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B
I mean, that's kind of easy. What stands out to me is the money that they're making is crazy. If I was fighting that era, you know, I would.
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A
But Mike Tyson was making insane money, right?
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B
Not really. I mean, he made 20 million, but. He made 20 million. Yeah, he. He was making some good money, but only Mike Tyson wasn't making like that, you know, and this area, Dela Hoya was really making that. He's making 10 million, but not 50 million, $100 million. This is a different.
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A
Like, what's your Highest paid fight?
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B
7 million. Now that's gets Pacquiao.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So they're making like, you know, Crawford and. And Canelo. 150 million.
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A
150 million.
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B
150 million? Yes. Crawford made 50 million or 100 million or something like that. Like, they make a money like that. That's the difference.
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A
That's cr. And he's not like, then what did Logan Paul, Jake Paul make?
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B
I don't know, maybe 20, 40 million. But see, he. But he brung boxing to Netflix, so, you know, he's doing something with all his fans and people that they're supporting him. So that's why he's making that type of money. You know, I think Tyson made 20 million, you know. Yeah, something like that.
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A
So he just gave him that fight.
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B
This type of stuff is like that. That's the difference. And back then, I mean, you go back to Sugar Leonard and all them back there was that type of money that we made more money and. And now they're making way more money.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So we, we doubled their money that they were making back in the 80s.
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A
So does your son get to make that kind of money out?
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B
Not yet, but he. Hopefully he'll be in there, you know.
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A
Yeah. He's still only making six figures a fight, not seven, huh?
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B
Yeah. I think that after this, you know, if he fights bud, that, that could be eight figures, you know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He'll be like, it just depends on who you fight.
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A
You know, I didn't need to be a seven time world champion like you, and I already made more than you.
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B
Exactly, exactly.
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A
Funny money.
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B
Yeah. It's different now.
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A
Today's boxing world looks a lot different. What do you think today's fighters are missing that your era had in, you.
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B
Know, the only thing, the real, the real thing that they're missing, and not every fighter, but I'm just the majority, is the mentality of going out there and getting the knockout, going out there and really going for the win and making the fans enjoy. Letting the fans enjoy the actual fight, like actually fighting. Now they was. They'll say, well, we're boxers, we're gonna hit and not get hit. We're gonna hit, not get hit. And they're gonna stay away and they're gonna box. That's kind of the difference. They don't really engage even the boxers back in the day, like say Pernell Whitaker with that doesn't get hit or whatever, he's gonna stay in the pocket and try to knock the guy out. He's gonna not get hit, but at the same time, he's gonna actually go for it and make the guy, you know, like go for a knockout. Whereas these guys will not go for the Knockout and not get hit either, but just not. Not try that. That put themselves in danger. They would. They say, why put myself in danger? Why risk? You know, like, they're too afraid to. To. To go for the knockout. And that's what the fans, like, that's what you train, you work out for. You know, they're too afraid of it. But, you know, to each his own. You know, they. They still. I think they're great fighters, though. There's a lot of. There's a lot like Shakur Stevenson and. And a few others. Tank Davis will go for knockout. That's why people like to see him, you know, and. And Crawford will go for a knockout when he, when he can. So they, they want to see those type of fights. But other than that, I mean, there's a lot. I mean, in a way, is actually a fighter that will go for knockout. You know, little Chinese guy and he's excited and people want to see him. So it's. The mentality has to change. If they have the mentality like those fighters I named, then I think that the spoiler would change around.
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A
Are you instilling that mentality? And Sugar and Shane Mosley Jr. Of.
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B
Course, he has a missile as well, you know, like, he's a good boxer and. But he's also a fighter, too. He also has, I told me, also the dog, you know, sometimes he has to. He has to do more boxing than try to sit there, fight, because he will get too much if he sits there and fights too long.
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A
So how do you get that dog in you? And what is it that makes you.
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B
It's a mentality, mental mindset, you know, like, I will win. I'm going to get you. I'm going to win. I'm going to beat you a certain way, you know, and even if you do whatever you do, there's nothing you can do that can stop it, you know, it's just. You just bite down. It's that ferociousness. Is that. Is that. Been that predator like you just coming for you. I'm coming for you. You know.
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A
Now, social media, big promos, influencers in the ring, what's your honest take on where this sport is headed right now?
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B
Oh, it looks like it's headed to. In the right position. I think that maybe, maybe these guys are getting paid a lot, maybe too much money, and sometimes it kind of like makes them more lackadaisical. But I'm all for them getting paid. That's about me. I would definitely love to get paid $100 million or whatever.
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A
It is, yeah. I mean, you got family in it now, so it's like, yeah.
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B
I mean, but, you know, but it takes away. It seems like it's taking away the fight out of some of these big fights, because they're like, okay, I just retire after this, you know, I don't have to do nothing else. I don't know. But I think the sport is going back to the old. The old school, the old way. I think the mentality of it, you know, hopefully it gets there. Hopefully it. It goes to where we. Where we watched all these fights and want to, you know, go home and be like, I'm gonna watch this fight. I watch that fight, you know, and I knew it was gonna be a great fight, you know, except, like, I wonder if it's gonna make. I wonder if it's gonna run. I wonder if it's gonna, like, if it's gonna be a boring fight. Like, you have to wonder if it's gonna be a good fight or not. Back in the day, it's like, we know, like, you know, Mike Tyson's going there. It's gonna be a great fight, you know, like. Like myself or, let's say Trinity or anybody. Chavez, you know, like, these guys. All these guys, sure. Leonard, you know, Tommy Hearns, it's gonna be safari works. Marvin Hagler. Something's gonna happen.
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A
Every. Like, you talk about Tyson, every fight of his was so damn fun.
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B
It was fun. Like, you know, like, it's an event.
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A
Like, oh, man, all your fights were amazing.
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B
What's gonna happen? Like, what's gonna happen? That was. That was the thing. Nowadays, like, you're not, like, what's gonna happen? As far as excitement, you've, like, is it gonna run? Is it gonna be boring fight? Like, what are they gonna. Like, what's gonna happen? Back then, it's like, yeah, what's gonna happen? But what's gonna happen? Like, who's gonna get knocked out? Like, what's gonna. You know, what's gonna happen that way?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Not who's gonna run the most or make it a boring fight.
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A
Yeah. I'll be real with you. I think boxing was to. Back when you were boxing. I just do. I think the era of boxing has gotten a little softer. I know that Jake Paul is trying to make it more ferocious.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But it's. There's a lot of glitz and glamour and hokey pokey social media, you know, narrative behind it. Right. So.
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B
But Jake Paul's actually. He's actually a real fighter, though. Yeah. I trained him, and I Know his mentality, I know his mindset. So he actually could fight.
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A
Yes, he's a good fighter.
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B
He's actually a fighter. Yeah, he's, you know, fought for what, seven, eight years now. Like he's a real fighter.
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A
So you, you think you see it the same. You don't see it the same way. Do you think that the era is a little softer? You don't, you think it's.
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B
No, no. I mean the error might be a little bit more softer and everything. Like not just boxing, but basketball, football, like you go to all the sports and it's all, it's softer than it was back in the day.
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A
Yeah. All the sports, all probably because of hyper regulation.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, don't hit them there. Don't, don't.
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B
You can't do that. You can't do this.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Back in the day I fought your eyeball out and they still. You're still fighting.
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A
Yeah. I mean now everyone's concerned about this legal issue and that. Legal issue. Yeah. Now if you could train one up and come one coming up, one upand cominging fighter today, what qualities would you look for first in that fighter?
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B
For me, I look for the, the, the mindset heart. Because you can train all the other stuff, but train the mindset and train the heart is something that's hard to train. Like you have to really be like a psychiatrist when you're coaching for that and that. And that's the main ingredient. You know, you can have, you have fires like Mayorga and in Madonna, whatever, they just throwing punch from wherever. But they had the mindset that I'm going to beat you, I'm coming to get you. And they became world champion with that, which is not having skills like really that type of skills at all. So if you have that mindset we call the dog or whatever, then that's what I will want to see is.
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A
What kind of, how fast do you see that?
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B
Well, you put him in the ring with certain people and see what happens. I mean, I've seen that with Jake Paul. They had a little dog and when, you know, I took him down the street to Abel Sanchez gym and threw him in there with some undefeated professionals and you know, they got him in the body and you know, got the best of him, a little bit bloody nose and he just kept going. I said, okay, he got some dog in him. Like he, you know, he not only can he, you know this shit, he could take it a little bit too. So he's not, he don't mind taking it. He don't mind taking and giving. So that's why I say, you know, Jake Paul, you know, he did his thing. He, he's a great fight. That's why he's doing what he did. It could be, I wouldn't say set up, or it could be a little different. Whatever. I don't know what they're doing, but I do know that he, he is a real fighter and he can't fight. Yeah. Whatever it is he's doing, play. Continue. You know, he's making money, he's, he's bringing glory back. He's bringing glory back to the fight game. So whatever it is they're doing, continue.
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A
Yeah, Couple last questions. Now. When people talk about legacy, which, you know, there's so much legacy discussion in boxing, what do you hope your name stands for when they tell the story of the sugar Shane Mosley era?
- [33:06]
B
Oh, man. I mean, I just hope that they look at me as a, you know, honorable fighter and that a fighter that was really passionate about the sport of boxing. I really love the sport of boxing. I'm really passionate about it and everybody knows I'm a nice guy that, you know, I, I'm the type of person, I want the best for the, for the next person or whatever. I'm not. Even if he, even if he beats me or he's. Whatever I, I want to see him do. Well, I'm, I guess you could say I'm the type of guy that wants to see the next person. Well. And I feel happy about that.
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A
Yeah, I love that mentality. Got a couple last questions. One is about your family. You know, you've raised four beautiful children, one of them up, up and coming champion.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You've instilled a level of grit, a level of ferociousness, a winning mentality in your children, despite the fact that they grew up with a silver spoon, you know, compared to you. How did you instill that, that, that mindset into your kids given all, you know, this worldly tribulation? All, all the, all the things that's, this world just sways you when you got money. Your kids didn't grow up poor, right?
- [34:22]
B
I mean, I didn't necessarily grow poor either. I was a middle class, middle class kid as well. My father worked and my mother worked Junior Dynamics. My father worked for the DPPs office. So I had a car when I was like 14 years old driving, you know, green BMW. I mean, a green Bug. So I wasn't necessarily in the ghetto. I was middle class. But the thing that, to my kids, my son and whatever Is that it? To be the. It's not because you have the money or you have whatever. You have to really want to be the best at whatever it is. I was very competitive and like my son, Shane Ju, he's very competitive and he wants to win. Doesn't matter who you are. So he wants to win. And that's the key ingredient. You know, you can, yeah, you want to win because you need money or you need. You want food on the table, whatever. Yeah, that's one way. But the other way is, you know, like, I want to be the best, I want to be the great, and I want to be able to take care of my family or whatever so they don't have to struggle. My son kind of adapted that mentality, taking care of his family and want to be the best and one and setting a goal for himself and not wavering from that goal. So that type of mentality, that type of. I guess that. That type of, you know, thing that I gave him, that installed him, that. That was the type of mentality. I stalled him that he. He grew up watching me do it. So now he's going to do the same thing that I did. He wants to be world champ. He wants to be great, he wants to be better, and I'm happy for it.
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A
God bless.
- [36:15]
B
God bless. I'm better. I'm happy about that.
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A
One last question, and I ask this to everybody. When you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you?
- [36:26]
B
Oh, man, I don't know if I learned all my lessons. I believe that God knows my heart and knows that I'm a light and that I am a helper. I'm not a taker. I'm a helper of everybody. Like a helper of earth, of people, mankind. And I'm only gonna. I'm only enhancing and yeah, I'm gonna get, I believe, get rewards for that, you know?
- [36:58]
A
You will, you will. You're. You're one of the sweetest dudes ever. Guys, Sugar Shane Mosley, the legend. If people want to connect with you or chat with you, how do they find you?
- [37:07]
B
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Shane Mosley. I think it's with the blue check. And yeah, I'm coming up the. My different websites maybe pretty soon and I'll put that on my Instagram. So that's how you can find me is from the Instagram.
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A
Perfect. Guys, Sugar Shay Mosley, seven time world champion. Thank you guys for tuning in. God bless.