Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby

Episode: "The Future of AI, Digital Twins & AGI" ft. Bill Inman

Release Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Joseph Shalaby
Guest: Bill Inman (Founder, Twin Protocol)

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the rapidly evolving world of artificial intelligence, digital twins, and the future implications of artificial general intelligence (AGI) and artificial superintelligence (ASI). Host Joseph Shalaby sits down with Bill Inman, a tech entrepreneur and founder of Twin Protocol, to discuss personal legacy, the urgency of data ownership, the next leap in AI technology, and how individuals and businesses should position themselves for the AI-driven future.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rise of Digital "Twins" and AI Legacy Preservation

• Twin Protocol’s Mission: Allowing individuals to create AI-powered digital twins, storing personal stories, wisdom, and expertise for future generations and practical uses.

  • Example: Ingesting media (e.g., a late helicopter pilot’s memoir and videos) to create a twin that shares stories with family members ([02:04], [02:46]).
  • Emotional impact: Both speakers discuss the moving experience of interacting with an AI representation of a deceased loved one.

• Applications:

  • Preserving family history and wisdom across generations.
  • Empowering family offices to pass on not only wealth, but values and missions through interactive, AI-based historical figures.

2. Understanding AI's Evolution: ANI → AGI → ASI

• Key Terms:

  • ANI (Artificial Narrow Intelligence): Current AI that performs single tasks well (e.g., ChatGPT, image editing).
  • AGI (Artificial General Intelligence): AI as capable as a human being; able to perform any intellectual task ([07:10]).
  • ASI (Artificial Superintelligence): AI surpasses all human intelligence, generating world-changing ideas rapidly.

• Timeline and Societal Impact:

  • “All of this is happening in the next five to ten years.” ([08:28])
  • Comparison to electricity’s gradual integration; AI transition will be "compressed" into a single decade.
  • Some jobs will be made obsolete, but the era will create more millionaires than any other period in history.

• Quote:

  "People need to understand what it is and they need to be able to use it in their own lives."
  — Bill Inman [06:48]

3. Data Ownership, Privacy, and the Role of Blockchain

• AI Training Data Concerns:

  • AI companies absorb vast quantities of user-generated content from across the internet; personal data fuels public AI models ([12:02]-[14:08]).

• Blockchain as a Solution:

  • Storing personal data (e.g., podcast episodes, blogs) on blockchain to establish immutable ownership and privacy ([15:54]).
  • Individuals and businesses can monetize and control the use of their content, as opposed to relinquishing power to big tech.

• Notable Quote:

  "Blockchain is going to allow us to own our own data, put it out on the web, monetize it in ways we want without having to just give it to Google."
  — Bill Inman [16:52]

4. Entrepreneurship, Branding, and the AI Economy

• The Importance of Personal Branding:

  • In an era where AI indexes everything, strong personal and company brands become critical differentiators ([24:33]).
  • Opinion: 97–98% of entrepreneurs have weak branding and are at risk of falling behind in the AI-filtered market.

• Influencer & Human Skill Set:

  • Both speakers agree that, for the next generation, influence and peak human performance (e.g., sports, unique skills) will have lasting value ([25:30]).
  • Anecdote: Futurist James Tagg encourages his own children to become influencers and athletes—"innately human things" that AI cannot fully replicate yet.

• Quote:

  "Humans are going to look at other humans and basically go, who are you and what's your brand and what do you stand for?"
  — Bill Inman [26:40]

5. Digital Twins as Content Creators

• AI Twins in Content Production:

  • Bill Inman uses his own AI twin to host shows, freeing himself from the camera and expanding reach ([28:22]).
  • Opportunity for introverts or content-shy professionals to build a digital presence via a photorealistic, AI-driven avatar.

• Process:

  • Users can create a basic AI twin in minutes with photo, audio sample, and documents ([19:52]).

• Quality of AI Content:

  • Inman curates his AI twin’s output for accuracy, but notes the generated content is increasingly lifelike ([30:06]).

6. Business Models & Valuation in the AI Age

• Business Fundamentals:

  • Tech and AI companies (e.g., OpenAI, Nvidia) see extreme valuations, sometimes disconnected from traditional revenue models ([21:43]).
  • Major corporations (e.g., Amazon) focus on advertising margin rather than just products.

• Advice to Aspiring AI Entrepreneurs:

  • Three pillars of AI: compute power (hardware), algorithms (models), and training data (content).
  • Compute power: Too expensive, dominated by giants.
  • Algorithms: Market is saturated.
  • Training data: The “Blue Ocean”—collect, curate, and monetize unique, niche data sets ([37:39]).

7. Practical Steps & Immediate Implementation

• Building Your Own Twin:
  • Entrepreneurs and leaders should immediately begin collecting, organizing, and storing all digital content to fuel an AI twin ([39:10], [40:10]).
  • Applied example: Use an AI twin to serve as a real estate expert for specific markets, enabling scalable, automated engagement with leads worldwide.

8. Vision: Democratizing AI, Empowering People

• Bill Inman's Legacy Goal:

  • “2 billion AI twins” empowering individuals to own, control, and benefit from their data ([41:00]).
  • Aims to counterbalance the concentration of AI power in Big Tech; “Power back to the people.”

• Adoption & Generational Challenge:

  • Adoption barrier for older generations; viral growth and ease-of-use are key to widespread acceptance ([42:36]).
  • Viral challenge: Encourage leaders, influencers, and all users to create and share their AI twins.

9. Personal Reflections

• Bill Inman’s Personal Goals: ([43:48])
  • Be a better listener, help others succeed, stay healthy, lead by example.
• Family Goals:
  • Prepare his daughter and loved ones for AI’s impact. Fun fact: His daughter’s initials are “AI.”
• Business Goal:
  • Achieve the “2 billion twins” vision for mass empowerment.
• End-of-Life Reflection:
  • Inman hopes to be remembered as someone who “did everything…for the benefit of others and not just for yourself” ([45:27]).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI’s Societal Impact:

  “It’s going to make a lot of jobs obsolete...but it’s going to create more millionaires and wealth than the history of humanity has ever seen.”
  — Bill Inman [09:38]

• On Personal Branding for the Next Generation:

  “They need to be an influencer and...good at sports because those are innately human things.”
  — Bill Inman quoting James Tagg [26:34]

• On Democratizing AI:

  "My legacy is I want to give that power back to the people...the legacy will be getting to 2 billion twins."
  — Bill Inman [41:00]

• On Lessons for the Afterlife:

  "You just left everything out there and did everything you can to be the best you could...and you did it for the benefit of others and not just for yourself."
  — Bill Inman [45:27]

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:04] – Legacy digital twins for deceased loved ones
• [07:10] – Explaining ANI, AGI, and ASI
• [09:38] – The future job market & society with ASI
• [15:54] – Blockchain and data ownership
• [19:52] – How to create your own AI twin
• [25:30] – Influencers, branding, and future-proof skills
• [28:22] – AI twins as content creators for introverts
• [37:39] – Advice for AI entrepreneurs: Invest in training data
• [41:00] – Inman’s legacy: 2 billion AI twins
• [43:48] – Personal, family, and business goals
• [45:27] – On being remembered for helping others

Tone & Style

The conversation is visionary, candid, and energetic, balancing technical explanations with real-world applications, emotional stories, business strategy, and actionable advice. Both speakers maintain a friendly, optimistic, and slightly irreverent tone, with moments of humor and earnest reflection.

For more information or to connect with Bill Inman, find him on any social channel: "Bill Inman". To explore Twin Protocol, visit twinprotocol.com.