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Conan O'Brien
Hey, Conan O'Brien here. Usually in this slot we air a fan interaction episode, but we're not gonna do that. We've had a lot of requests out there from people to talk about my recent experience hosting the Oscars. It is only been about a week. By the time this airs, a week or so since I hosted the Oscars, we're taping this a bit earlier, several days after the show aired. So it's still fresh in our minds. And I am joined to go over this experience with my head writer of many, many, many years. Some say too many years, too many. Mike Sweeney. Mike Sweeney has been with me almost since the very beginning of my late night show. He waited a little bit to see if it would and then when he saw that, you know, it was probably gonna make it, he came aboard. So he is a coward, but Mike.
Mike Sweeney
Sweeney, he should have led with the coward part.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, Mike Sweeney came, has been with me for a long time.
Mike Sweeney
30 years.
Conan O'Brien
30 years. 11 of them quite pleasant. And we worked together on the Oscars along with Jeff Ross and Mike Sweeney led the creative team and people seemed very happy with how it went. I had a blast doing it. And one of the reasons I think I was able to enjoy myself so much is I knew I had. We worked very hard to get material that we liked. And I think the call came in from the Oscars in late November.
Mike Sweeney
It was the day after we got back from Spain.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. Shooting a travel episode in Spain. And I got a call and I called you and I said, I'll do it, but you gotta be on board.
Mike Sweeney
I just laughed really hard.
Conan O'Brien
You laughed really hard for a long time.
Mike Sweeney
Said they, I just got a call. They said, would you want to host the Oscars?
Conan O'Brien
Why were you laughing?
Mike Sweeney
Just because the timing of it.
Conan O'Brien
We were so busy.
Mike Sweeney
You got really sick in Spain, along with a few other people. And also just the. It just seemed random, out of lift, like not. It was not on our brain.
Conan O'Brien
It was not on our radar.
Mike Sweeney
Not on the radar.
Conan O'Brien
It was as if I had hit me funny. It was as if I had got a call that said, we want you to be the new Miss America.
Mike Sweeney
Right, Exactly.
Conan O'Brien
It was that random. And from left field, I would have laughed less. So I said, yes. And then we quickly had to go and tape hbo. Max very kindly said, okay, you're supposed to finish this travel season, so yes, go host the Oscars. But can you knock this other travel show off? Very quickly. Squeeze it in quickly. So we immediately dashed to Austria and we're shooting a show in Austria when I get the call that my father had passed away. So I rush home. And then while I'm home, I see that my mom is going too. And she went three days later. And that was an experience that was very intense. And a bunch of you were very kindly flew out for that, which blew my mind. And I still thank you for that. That means the world to me.
Mike Sweeney
Of course.
Conan O'Brien
Eduardo. Inosho.
Mike Sweeney
It was duly noted. Eduardo.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. I called for you during the. I said, and of course. Eduardo. Eduardo, Eduardo. I'm so sorry. Yeah, Eduardo.
Mike Sweeney
Sure, sure.
Conan O'Brien
Whatever.
Mike Sweeney
The funeral is not properly miked.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, he didn't. Well, I'm glad you can laugh at my parents death.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
No, no, I'm kidding. I'm laughing too. And that's. They would have wanted that. Who knows? No, I don't think so.
Mike Sweeney
You know, while you were gone, you. You left Austria and we were. We had to stay there another few days.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, I'm so sorry. That must have been tough for you.
Mike Sweeney
Well, yeah, we had to go on to Vienna. Yeah. Jewels.
Conan O'Brien
I had to go mourn my parents while you guys went to Vienna and shot B roll and drank schnapps.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah. Just so you understand, it wasn't just you that had a difficult journey.
Conan O'Brien
Ex.
Mike Sweeney
The van was kind of cramped. But we shot. We were like, what do we do? So we. I don't even know if we talked to you about this. We shot something with Jordan.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. That I'm not in.
Mike Sweeney
That you haven't seen.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah.
Mike Sweeney
That you haven't seen.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. I'm cutting it without even seeing it. Yeah.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
So then there's a real roll here, because that rolled right into. Right into Christmas felt like days after, which rolled right into January, which rolled right into the fires. I've been living in a hotel since then.
Mike Sweeney
Right.
Conan O'Brien
And so I remembered us noticing that the Oscars are getting closer and closer, and because of all this madness, we haven't been able to get together in a room and get going. And so you were instrumental in putting together. I mean, some of the names were obvious because it's people you and I had worked with for a long time. But I think we put together a murderer's row of writers.
Mike Sweeney
Amazing, amazing writers. We just laughed. I missed being in a room with this crew.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, man.
Mike Sweeney
And we all stumbled downstairs in this building. It's a big conference room there. And we just would laugh, and I would come in.
Conan O'Brien
I would come in, and it was therapy for me because I would come in, and anyone who knows me knows that I. I'm like a fish in water, in tropical water when I'm in a writer's room. I'm just so happy to be around writers and to be joking around, usually riffing on things that could never make it into an Oscars show. And there was plenty of that. But.
Mike Sweeney
And that was a good shorthand to bring this crew back that had already written for you, so that.
Conan O'Brien
Yes, they knew my style.
Mike Sweeney
And also just goofing around like, you know, it was just an instant.
Conan O'Brien
But I mean, shorthand. Brian Kiely, Matt O'Brien, Laurie Kilmartin, Dan Cronin. Dan Cronin.
Mike Sweeney
Jesse Gaskell, and Jose Arroyo, who also work on the travel shows. Skyler Higley.
Conan O'Brien
Yep.
Mike Sweeney
And did we mention Brian Kiely?
Conan O'Brien
Oh, and by the way. Yes. Twice.
Mike Sweeney
Brian Kiley was also there.
Conan O'Brien
And then also Brian Kiley, Kylie Kama. Oh, and Scott Gairdner came in to help shoot some of the amazing. He's amazing. And he helped give a. To some of the things.
Mike Sweeney
Scott Garner was a writer. Yeah. On the TBS show. Josh Comers. Fantastic.
Conan O'Brien
Did we mention Kylie, Brian Kiley? Yes, but also Berkeley Johnson. Berkeley Johnson. And you should see Berkeley's Johnson. It's a joke I've been doing for 15 years, and it's always better. I was. It's so satisfying. But we have to tell this story. Skyler Higley wrote the Drake joke.
Mike Sweeney
Halftime.
Conan O'Brien
The halftime.
Mike Sweeney
Halfway through the Oscars.
Conan O'Brien
We're halfway through the Oscars, which means it's time for Kendrick Lamar to come out and call Drake a pedophile. And he wrote that joke. And today I Was. I mean, this has happened to me a couple of times, but I walked to some store this morning to get a cup of coffee, and this young black gentleman came up to me and went, conan, I gotta ask you, did you write that joke about Drake? And I said, I did not. That is the handiwork of Schuyler Higley. And I gotta give it up. I'm not that well versed in the rap battles, but I got major props from this gentleman. Excellent. But we started working and then just generating ideas. And it's the same thing we've done back when we would do Emmy shows or any kind of Comic Con shows, which is just generate thousands of ideas and throw most of them out.
Mike Sweeney
We had so many ideas that, like, you can't get too attached to any idea because you just know that things are going to get cut. For example, we had a whole big cold open that we loved.
Conan O'Brien
It was not the substance cold open that we ended up going.
Mike Sweeney
It was a different one. And it was basically hammered out before the fires. The idea of it before the fires happened. And then even after that, we kind of honed it, and it would have been like three or four minutes long. And it was you starting out in Wicked, so you're in a situation.
Conan O'Brien
Well, it was the idea that I'm going to. Oh, Conan's now going to goof on all the movies. And so it starts with me, and I'm all green in Wicked, finishing Defying Gravity, or one of those songs, and I finish it. And then you see you cut to the next thing, which is Gladiator, and clang, clang, clang with swords. And then you see that I'm a gladiator, but then you notice that I'm still green. And then you go on to conclave, and you see people voting with their ballots, and then one of the hands is still green. And then you cut to me in Dune, and one of the characters, Javier Bardem, is saying, I can't hear you because they all wear those masks in the sand. Take it off, take it off. And I finally take it. What's your problem, man? And I take it off and I'm green. And he's like, what the hell, man? Did you start this with Wicked? And I went, yeah. And this stuff doesn't come off. And the whole thing is that the dye wouldn't come off. And we had to shoot it all in one day. And it was kind of a conceptual idea, which we were. But we thought, oh, this is. We can carry this through the whole thing. Where Then all the characters in every movie that I've inhabited are laughing at me and giving me a hard time because I started out as green, including Nosferatu. They're all Noferatu. They're all piling on me. Like, you don't start with green. Everyone knows that stuff doesn't. Everyone knows that stuff doesn't come off. You shoot the wicked at the end. I know, but we had one day and no one told me.
Mike Sweeney
That's a good bill. Scarsgard.
Conan O'Brien
Thank you. So we thought. So we thought that that was like, oh, yeah, this is the idea. And then we realized this is so complicated to shoot and it takes so many different setups and started to kind of fall out of.
Mike Sweeney
Well, it was more. But also then the Oscars said, we're opening cause of the fires with this big.
Conan O'Brien
Yes, that's true too.
Mike Sweeney
Musical tribute. And that we were like, wait, you.
Eduardo Inosho
You can't go far.
Mike Sweeney
Five minute musical tribute and then go into a five or four minute.
Conan O'Brien
So we needed something quick. We needed something quick. I was obsessed, right? Always obsessed with coming out of Demi Moore's back, Right. Since I was a child. I just. I meant that visual of my hair coming out of my head was something I was obsessed with. And that ended up being good. But it's one of the things you learn, which is that you constantly. It's not just. It's with monologue jokes and it's also with bits. And this is just more about the process. Don't fall in love with anything. Because also the times change. You know, if something is eight weeks out or nine weeks out, what's funny now isn't the story four weeks later. So, so many of the narratives kept changing with the Oscars race. That. And things would seem funny now, but then not later. And then we got a lot of clarity because I started going out to different clubs and doing jokes and I could see which ones consistently work.
Mike Sweeney
Well, that was incredibly helpful. And I think also just, you know, for just confidence in that. Oh, no, these jokes are good.
Conan O'Brien
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Conan O'Brien
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Will Arnett
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Conan O'Brien
The audiences were very nice because they would go out and say, I mean, I know Nikki Glaser does this as well, but it's a very good tool to go out and try things out with an audience. But I would say, please don't record this. And they wouldn't.
Mike Sweeney
Right, right.
Conan O'Brien
Which was really nice because all they'd have, someone would have to do is put that online and you're completely screwed.
Mike Sweeney
Well, the other landmine, which I didn't think about, I wasn't really aware of, is like, I've heard the term award season, but it never. I was like, award season. There was a different award show. So once we were going to go to a club and they're like, oh sure, you're go on after so and so who's hosting the. You know, Judd Apatow's hosting the DGA Awards. He's going to do his monologue first. And you're just like, wow, there's so much.
Conan O'Brien
Right? And then, you know, we can't even be there when he does his because we don't want to hear something like we can't be influenced. We want to make sure there's no overlap. So you get into this thing where then you say, okay, that show's over. I know, but this comic's out hosting this Spirit Awards and they're doing the circuit and trying jokes about. So you have to wait till. And if anyone does any joke, you can't do that joke, then obviously it's gone.
Mike Sweeney
So we had a couple of areas where we're just like, ah, nah, we can't do that.
Conan O'Brien
We can't. It's gone now because someone else did it. So the whole thing was fascinating. But I have to say, the real education, the real behind the scenes education was, you know, the Academy of Motion Pictures, they are very serious about certain things. And we had this real lesson in. And again, I don't fault them. I'm just, this is what they do. They, the image of Oscar is very important to them. And there'd be times where we'd be shooting bits to promote the Oscars, promos.
Mike Sweeney
Promos to run on abc, promos to.
Conan O'Brien
Run on ABC or to go on the Internet that would promote the Oscar. And I remember there was a giant Oscar statue and I shot something with it. It was really fun. And at one point I said, oh, it'd be really funny. It was about Oscar and I, the Oscar and I sharing an apartment and we don't get along, our marriage is crumbling and this was actually out there. They ended up releasing it and I thought it came out pretty well. But it's just a nine foot Oscar and I bickering. And of course the Oscar's not doing anything. It's just standing there like a statue. And I'm saying, what happened to our marriage? And we're fighting about things that couples fight about. But at one point I thought, oh, this would be really great if the Oscar was just on the couch. Let's lay it on a really big couch and I'll be vacuuming and say, could you at least lift your feet or could you at least get up and help load the dishwasher? And we wanted to do it and they just said, no, no, no, that can't happen. And I said there was whispering, there was whispering in this big room. And then one of the people from the Academy came forward and said, oscar can never be horizontal. And that blew my mind. Like, wow, this is like the thigh bone of St. Peter. This is a religious icon.
Mike Sweeney
And we tried to put an apron when it was serving you leftovers. And they're like, no clothing on Oscar.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, Nick. Oscar.
Mike Sweeney
Oscar's always naked.
Matt Gourley
Oh, he's naked, but he won't lie down.
Mike Sweeney
There's rules.
Will Arnett
I didn't know.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, no, there's just rules.
Will Arnett
There's rules.
Conan O'Brien
There's a lot of rules with Oscar. And then you realize, oh, this has been around. This award ceremony's been around since 1929.
Mike Sweeney
Right.
Conan O'Brien
There's a lot of different sort of shorthand for what can and can't happen. But they ended up being very helpful. I want to stress that they let us.
Mike Sweeney
Everyone was great.
Conan O'Brien
They were great. And the ABC people were fantastic. And the producers we worked with, Raj and Katie, they would just make anything happen. They would just. Anything we said, they would say, yes, that sounds funny. Let's make it happen.
Mike Sweeney
So the day we met them, they were so nice. I was like, oh, this is the classic rope a dope. Yeah, this is a trick. And the first time we asked for something, you know, and they were amazing, right? Every step of the way.
Conan O'Brien
But it just kept getting. My experience of it was once I said yes, I would always wake up at three in the morning and look at the ceiling and go, what? That's a what? What? I said yes to what? And then it takes about an hour and a half to get back to sleep. And that's just the deal. That's just what it's like.
Mike Sweeney
I talked to a few other. Some of the writers, and I was waking up at three thinking of things that either were still up in the air or that I forgot to do that day came to me at three in the morning. I was like, just. And then I couldn't go back to sleep till this week.
Conan O'Brien
It was enjoyed this week. I have been. I refuse to. I mean, we finished. It's now Friday. Sunday night was the show. And it's been. My wife is just. I am horizontal all the time. I'm glad. I know ostrich can't be, but she.
Mike Sweeney
Doesn'T like you horizontal.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, I never has. The response was really lovely. And then just. But the thing I keep going back to is the lighting. The lighting is insane. It's the best lighting I've ever had. It's the best lighting I ever will have. And it's Bobby Dickinson and Noah Mintz. And they kept. They were looking at my face and touching little dials and adjusting things during the rehearsals. And they also adjusted my face manually. But I'm sorry, I swear to God. I looked at myself in a monitor at one point in rehearsal and I'm like, who's that guy? It's not me. And I know online people were speculating, you know, did Conan get some work done or something? He's like, it's called lighting. It's called lighting. Which, by the way, if you've checked out the podcast, this is not Oscar lighting.
Mike Sweeney
That's pretty good.
Conan O'Brien
And also we do these travel shows and I'm always. My brand of comedy has always been, hey, this could be really funny. Let's just go do it. And we shoot it with no thought towards lighting. Or I'll run into a 711 and do something.
Mike Sweeney
It's a documentary cruise style.
Conan O'Brien
It's a documentary cruise style as if it were a war zone.
Mike Sweeney
Right.
Conan O'Brien
So I always look like, I always look like a toy that a dog got ahold of and chewed up. And then suddenly I step out there and hit my mark and I'm a 19 year old girl.
Mike Sweeney
You looked great.
Conan O'Brien
And then I did look good. You did. Then I step out of it. It's like, oh, the old pumpkin's back.
Will Arnett
That's an intimidating room. To be up on that stage and looking at all those people must have.
Mike Sweeney
Been, I think you were in the audience, so.
Will Arnett
I was, yeah.
Conan O'Brien
What was it like in the audience? Were you scared for me?
Will Arnett
Yeah, I, you know, I was really.
Conan O'Brien
You can say it.
Will Arnett
I know I was a little nervous for you and it was weird not to work. It. It's one of, you know, those big events that I would normally have worked. I didn't work at the event.
Conan O'Brien
You brought Tack.
Will Arnett
I brought Tack. And we were sitting next to Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, wow. What was that like?
Will Arnett
We were behind the complete unknown.
Conan O'Brien
They are so much fun.
Will Arnett
Yeah. We were in the fourth row. Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo were just a few rows ahead of us.
Conan O'Brien
Your seats were much better than I was. Said they. These are not the seats.
Will Arnett
I think you made a mistake.
Conan O'Brien
I think. I do.
Will Arnett
I do. I really think you made a mistake. Yeah. And I, I just didn't move the whole time because I was like, I can't. Someone's going to.
Conan O'Brien
And also if you leave this seat, someone's going to take it from you.
Will Arnett
Yeah. And. And also every time you'd come up, Tack would be like, yeah, Cony. And I'D be like, stop talking. You can't do that here. It's the Oscars.
Conan O'Brien
Who sat behind you?
Will Arnett
Behind Oprah?
Conan O'Brien
Oprah sat Oprah.
Mike Sweeney
Oprah.
Sonam of Session
Better seats than Oprah.
Conan O'Brien
Behind us, better seats than Oprah. Op. Oprah Winfrey had to look through your big hair to try and see who had won an Oscar.
Will Arnett
Oh, my God.
Conan O'Brien
How did that happen?
Will Arnett
So, you know, Erica Brown was there as well, who works on the show. And I was like, we have to get you to meet Oprah. So we were following.
Conan O'Brien
And I've introduced Erica Brown to former first lady Michelle Obama. Twice.
Will Arnett
Twice. Twice. Yeah. And, you know, she's from Jackson.
Mike Sweeney
That should count as an Oprah.
Will Arnett
Everybody back. Everybody back home is just like, oh, my God. And so, you know, I was like, we'll just walk by her, and I'll, like, push you into her, you know.
Conan O'Brien
Like, just like, oh, that's a good idea.
Will Arnett
Shove you into her.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah.
Matt Gourley
And you were telling Tak to be quiet.
Conan O'Brien
So what did you do?
Will Arnett
She was following Oprah, and then she just disappeared.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, she's.
Will Arnett
And I think she went out, like, a special exit, you know.
Conan O'Brien
Well, she has trapdoors installed before she goes. People show up and install trapdoors.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah. She helped design them.
Will Arnett
And it was really exciting to just be there in the audience watching you and just, like, hearing the jokes for the first time, you know, I mean, it was. It was awesome. It was really, really cool. And everybody around was talking about how great you were doing.
Conan O'Brien
It was fun. It was a lot of fun. It was to have. Also to have an orchestra. You get spoiled between the lighting and an orchestra and a high.
Matt Gourley
That's the first time they put the orchestra that.
Conan O'Brien
Wasn't that a great idea?
Will Arnett
It was really cool.
Mike Sweeney
And they had a trapdoor. An Oculus had opened to reveal the. The orchestra up on the. It was very. It was neat.
Will Arnett
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. Kind of.
Mike Sweeney
And they had a Bond tribute for no good reason other than I assume it was for you.
Will Arnett
Yeah.
Matt Gourley
I've some notes.
Conan O'Brien
Let's hear it.
Matt Gourley
No.
Will Arnett
How much of the show do you.
Conan O'Brien
That is the joke, is it? That is the joke. Well, no, anything I'm doing, we wrote.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah, yeah.
Will Arnett
But like, the rest of the.
Conan O'Brien
No, they have a very good team.
Mike Sweeney
Right.
Conan O'Brien
Headed up by John Max, who works on.
Mike Sweeney
Man, he work on every award show.
Conan O'Brien
He's working on one right now. He is the Soul Train Awards.
Mike Sweeney
He's working on the Mark Twain Awards.
Conan O'Brien
I said Soul Train.
Mike Sweeney
Okay. But I'm just. I'm a stickler for accuracy.
Matt Gourley
So the Soul Twain.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. And so Zach Galifianakis did that very joke in one of the clubs I was in.
Mike Sweeney
Oh, sorry.
Conan O'Brien
No, it's okay. It's okay. I just want to make sure that he doesn't think we ripped him off the. Yeah, I have to say, that was a. That was a highlight probably in a long career. That was just so. Oh, yeah, it was so fun. But I just was thinking the lighting is amazing. There's this orchestra. Everyone in the crowd's wearing a tuxedo. And, I mean, you hosted the Emmys.
Mike Sweeney
Twice, and that's true, right? But, yes, this. So it's like, oh, well, okay, you know how to do that. But then, I don't know, there just. It was a different level of getting scared before something.
Conan O'Brien
You get intense. You get intense.
Mike Sweeney
It got very intense.
Conan O'Brien
It's a big gig because then, you know, people are watching, like, whatever, around the world or something.
Mike Sweeney
Well, I wondered. I'm like, why are you so out of your mind? And waking up at 3am and then afterwards, you're like, oh, that's why. Because it really is highly scrutinized.
Matt Gourley
What's it like backstage?
Conan O'Brien
That's interesting. Is it chaos?
Matt Gourley
Is it control?
Conan O'Brien
No, it is a machine. My experience of it was that the way they have it set up is the winners drift off stage right, and they're taken into a whole. You know, it's like a digestive system. It's like they're taken through. They're taken through the winner's walk, Then they're taken right into a press. There's a quick, I think, glam shots. Then they're taken into the press room. Then they're going, taken this way, and I'm on the other side. Mostly I'm either going to. But I'm always coming off from stage left. So I'm coming out to either my mark on stage left or to the center. So there's not a lot of interaction. But every now and then, you'd have this amazing moment. And the one for me was, I'm backstage and I'm watching the monitor. Cause you're just watching the monitor. In between, I'll go and talk to the writers and we'll think, what could be a funny idea? What could be a funny thing we could say? Here we were constantly trying to think of what's something that could come up, what's happening in the show and what can we comment on. But every now and then, there's not much to do. We know which the next joke is. It's not for 10 more minutes. So I'm sitting there stage left, and I'm looking at my monitor. And I'm just aware of, like, a presence to my left. And I kind of just look over and it's this guy. And I immediately see that it's Mick Jagger, who I've never met. And Mick Jagger looks at me and he starts nudging me. And in kind of a comic American voice, he's like, hey, hey, how's the crowd? How's the crowd? How's the crowd? How's the crowd out there? How's the crowd doing? How's the crowd doing? How are they? How are they? And I said, crowd's really good. Cause they were. I said, it's a good crowd. And I said, but you don't have to worry about that. Cause you're Mick Jagger. And he went, oh, no, no. I'm not gonna try and do a Mick Jagger. But he said, I always worry about the crowd. And I said, wait a minute. So you're with the Rolling Stones, and you're in Buenos Aires. And you're getting ready to come out and start the show. And you're gonna start off with satisfaction. And you're anxious that the crowd isn't gonna be good. And he said, oh, no, definitely. I wear an earpiece and I listen to the crowd. And sometimes I can tell the crowd isn't quite there yet. And I have to give it a little extra up front. And I was so relieved. Cause I realized, obviously, he's 35 levels beyond me. But nothing ever goes away. Meaning I've had many people give me a hard time. Cause I'm at a small gathering. And I'm supposed to get up and give a toast. And Liza can tell I'm anxious. And I'm getting worked up. And I'm looking around the room to see, is this a good room? And she's like, it's a dinner party. What are you doing? And I'm like, it just never goes away. You're always worried about that stuff. And to hear that Mick Jagger, who's, I believe, 81, the front man for the Rolling Stones, is asking people, how's the. Asking me, how's the crowd? You think I'll be all right out there? I don't know. It's gonna be touch and go for you, Mick.
Mike Sweeney
It's the lighting.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But he. I mean, I was kind of intimidated. Cause I didn't know what he would be like. He was incredibly nice. He said to me at one point, oh. And by the Way we've never met. And I'm like, he. How do you know you've never met me? Isn't your life just a blur of occasionally an orange person comes by? He was lovely. He was great and funny and thoughtful, and I had a great exchange with him. And then I knew, I need to end this. Like, don't hang on too long. So I said, well, anyway, wonderful, Lovely. It was very nice to meet you, too. And I. I walk away, and I think Ruthie has me walking away from him. And I saw that Ruthie was filming it, and I just walk up and go like, okay, that just fucking blew my mind. That's pretty crazy.
Mike Sweeney
Back into the tent with the writers.
Eduardo Inosho
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Will Arnett
I haven't, but I feel like I just destroy. Probably get really competitive.
Conan O'Brien
I do.
Eduardo Inosho
And if I start to lose, I flip the board over. That's why I have an unbreak broken streak. I just always win because I just throw the board over, flip it over, and say, get out of my house.
Will Arnett
Okay, that's mature.
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Will Arnett
Monopoly does take some time.
Conan O'Brien
If you don't have time, did.
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Conan O'Brien
Yeah.
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Will Arnett
What?
Conan O'Brien
Yep.
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Conan O'Brien
People ask me a lot about genius. I don't know why. I don't know what it is about me. A real genius always seeks out the nerds. That's the common thing as nerds. I mean, this is why I go to you all the time, David. Thank you. Seriously, because you know how to, like, do things on the. On the phone and order things online. I don't know that simple stuff. You can't. Yeah. Make tea. Yeah. Nerd wallet. That's what I'm talking about. Nerd wallet is going to find the right credit card or auto insurance for you in minutes. Their team of nerds has done the research so you don't have to just answer a few simple questions and you'll be matched with the right financial product for you. They have only nerds working there. Every now and then, a jock will try and apply. Oh, and they say, go no further. You are banished from our realm. Feel like you would thrive working for that? Yes. I would go to nerdwallet.com to finance smarter today. After all, letting NerdWallet do the work is more than smart. It's genius. Terms and conditions apply. Credit products subject to lender approval. See nerdwallet.com for details.
Will Arnett
Were you guys in a tent?
Mike Sweeney
We were. It's kind of a black duvetyne kind of roped off area. And we had monitors and we had a. You know, we had the scroll of the script. And so we would like. After Flow won, Brian Colley had a joke about, you know, it's the first win for Latvia.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, it's your move, Estonia.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Will Arnett
And then you guys are on the fly just like, what's the process of.
Matt Gourley
You doing that and then getting that into the teleprompter for him in time? Like, how much time was there?
Mike Sweeney
There was this producer named Rachel was right in the room with us, and she really helped with the script along the way.
Conan O'Brien
She was great.
Mike Sweeney
During the show. Our script guy, John Crotteau, who we could not have done any of this without.
Conan O'Brien
He's a hero.
Mike Sweeney
He came out from New York just to work on the show, which was amazing because he worked on the world show. He walked.
Conan O'Brien
Walked the whole way. He walked the whole way because we wouldn't give him bus fare, right.
Mike Sweeney
And he's right now only in Iowa. He's still on his way back home. But she. So we'd tell Jot, you know, okay, let's do this. And then she'd talk to the prompter person, and it would come right up and he'd read it and be like, get. Okay, you've got 10 seconds to get out. There was one a couple of times. Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
There was a moment that I was happy about, which is we're. I don't know if we're backstage, but it's very. Just before the show, and we see Timmy Chalamet coming in, right? And he's wearing a bright, bright yellow outfit. He has a red carpet cover, red carpet coverage. And he's wearing this suit that's just.
Mike Sweeney
Bright, bright, like creamsicle.
Conan O'Brien
Creamsicle yellow. And I said, well, he won't get hit driving his bike at night. And people around me were like, that's funny. And so I just kept it in my head and I walked out there, and it was one of the first things I said, like, hey, it's Stewie Shunami. Hey, you won't get hit on your brain. People were like, aha. And I'm like, that's not even on a prompter. But it was just kind of. It was a nice feeling to feel like it is the same thing as you can just think of something and say it. And this giant, important room. If it's okay, they'll laugh at it. It doesn't not all have to come through this huge process of agony.
Mike Sweeney
You were very. I mean, you were very loose.
Conan O'Brien
You know, I had a few pills in me.
Mike Sweeney
Well, whatever. They worked because you were as loose as a goose. And it was perfect.
Conan O'Brien
It was a really fun night. And I have to say, lots of thanks and gratitude to ABC Academy. They. They really did. And the producers, Raj and Katie, they took really good care of us, and they seemed to know that, yeah, this needs to be what Conan wants it to be. It's gotta be in his voice. They were very good about that.
Mike Sweeney
And everyone was very supportive. Michael Bearden, the conductor, the musical director.
Conan O'Brien
Great. Who worked out the song with me. Yeah, he was great.
Mike Sweeney
He's a great collaborator, right?
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, Michael Bearden was great. And that's a guy that, yeah, worked with Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson. I mean, the list of people he's worked with is insane. So I. I had huge moments of inadequacy saying, yeah, I want to sing this song. And he would sit down at the piano and bang it out and start. And we'd be like, making it up and thinking, wouldn't you rather be working with a real musician?
Mike Sweeney
Right. He would transpose the key on the spot, like, oh, okay, let's try D flat.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, D flat. Yeah, it sounds like you're a D flat. And so. But there were so many fun things, like, the sensibility has always been. We love puppets and silliness. So we got obsessed with sandworm.
Mike Sweeney
We. Early on in part of the show, I kept putting off ordering it up. I'm like, is this. We're gonna have a sandworm? First, the sandworm was sitting in the audience, and I'm like, uh, all right, a sandworm.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, oh. And then there was one idea where the sandworm comes out with an envelope, and we were like, no, how are we gonn. It's not gonna move. And then we realized that then it's.
Mike Sweeney
Gonna come down upside down.
Conan O'Brien
And talk to you, and he's gonna have lines. And so there was just. There's a whole. There's a whole lifeline to these things. There's a whole evolution. And then finally it became clear Sandworm needs to be in the orchestra and needs to have gone to the Berklee School of Music.
Matt Gourley
Who played the Sandworm?
Mike Sweeney
It was a guy who does creature.
Conan O'Brien
Acting, but also, crucially, from our team, the gentleman, the artist who dresses me and who. Scott Cronick, who's been with me for years, who I married.
Mike Sweeney
You married on television.
Conan O'Brien
On television. In New York. He and his partner in New York.
Matt Gourley
You officiated the wedding.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah.
Mike Sweeney
Right. You're not married.
Conan O'Brien
But I also was married to him for a while, and then Liza found out and the whole thing and went south.
Mike Sweeney
But enhanced your own marriage.
Conan O'Brien
Exactly. But he built the Sandworm, and in three days. He built it in three days. And so it was behind the harp. But then we had different ideas for who should be behind the piano, and it wasn't quite working out, and we couldn't quite figure it out. And then finally it occurred to us, the Sandworm should be the person on the piano. And then the Sandworm can show up again on the harp as a callback. That happened. That happened, like, the day before the Oscars. We realized. I think it was the day before we realized it was that Friday. That, yes, Sandworm should come out on the piano first and then show up later on on the harp. Because he's a multi instrumentalist.
Will Arnett
Important.
Mike Sweeney
But when he came out the first time we rehearsed that song rolled out on the piano. It was such a great reveal. Such a great reveal. Almost as dramatic as you coming out of Demi Moore's back. It was just like, whoa, that's a great tableau. Cause you're singing in the foreground, and there's this sandworm pounding away at the keys. I was like, okay.
Conan O'Brien
But Scott Chronic designed the costume. And then at the end of the show, before the show was even over, I think someone from the Academy said, we'd like to keep the Sandworm because they have. Because they have a museum.
Mike Sweeney
Great.
Conan O'Brien
So I don't know if it's ever gonna happen, but if you go to the Academy museum, you can see. You can see the shark from Jaws. You know, you can see the snow globe from Citizen Kane. And, oh, there's Sandworm. There's sandworm from the 97th Oscars, ruining the museum, dragging it all down.
Mike Sweeney
I heard they had to get rid of the shark from Jaws to make Room for the sandworm.
Conan O'Brien
The sandworm.
Mike Sweeney
Its priorities. But I think they have the right.
Conan O'Brien
The sandworm ate the shark because he's above it in the food chain.
Mike Sweeney
We mentioned Scott Gairdner. He directed the substance. He also. We did an ad parody. Cinema Streams did a great job of that. And then he shot our two Jeff Bezos arriving.
Conan O'Brien
Those are so good.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah. At the Oscars.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. A reason I'll never get a package again. Bezos is probably like, see to it he never gets a package again. He's petting a white cat and.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah. Matt Schar, our travel show editor.
Conan O'Brien
Editor. Oh, if we're just gonna listen.
Mike Sweeney
We were working on the travel shows during. Well, like, we had to come in on the weekend and edit. And I didn't even tell you because I thought you'd be like, what do you do? Why are you working?
Conan O'Brien
I was so enraged.
Mike Sweeney
Other than the Oscars, when people would.
Conan O'Brien
Try to talk to me about the travel shows, every now and then, Jeff Ross would say something like, so anyway, you know, if we do end up going to India, I'd be like, it's not about the Oscars. If it's not about the Oscars, I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, I'm a real pleasant chap.
Mike Sweeney
You know what?
Will Arnett
Yeah, we were real pleasant leading up to. Your mind works constantly when you're focused on something. And, you know, I feel like a lot of times when you're getting your creative energy out, you're just making fun of us more than you normally would.
Conan O'Brien
No, no, no. Yeah, no, that's.
Will Arnett
I'm gonna say that's in your head.
Conan O'Brien
Do you feel that way, too?
Will Arnett
I felt like it was just anger and passion. It was just elevated. So it was a real joy for all of us who work for you.
Conan O'Brien
It wasn't always easy to be around Picasso.
Will Arnett
Okay.
Conan O'Brien
But, boy, did he fill a lot of museums with wonderful work. 2, 3, 4.
Matt Gourley
Picasso and sand worm.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah, those are my muses.
Sonam of Session
But also Sweeney, weren't you. We were in. We were in Austria. And weren't you trying to then pull together this writers room from across the world as well as Austria? During the day, you would be directing the Austria show, and then at night, you would come back to the hotel, and then we would all chill, and you would be going and trying to pull together.
Mike Sweeney
I was on the phone with different writers managers, because initially it was.
Conan O'Brien
Who are often funnier than the writers.
Mike Sweeney
Yes. The managers were very entertaining.
Conan O'Brien
They got great ideas.
Mike Sweeney
They're great to chat with in Salzburg. Yeah. And that was all coming together over there. Yeah. But then we ended up, you know, we reassembled our old team, and it's the best move. They're the funniest.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. It was so much fun. It was great.
Mike Sweeney
Incredible.
Conan O'Brien
Great to have that room, that writers room.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Will Arnett
To see them all again.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Will Arnett
It was a nice reunion. It was really, really nice to see everything.
Conan O'Brien
Also to have everything humming where there's a writer's room downstairs working on the Oscars. I'd be in there joking around. Then I'd come up here and we would do a podcast.
Mike Sweeney
Abuse these people.
Conan O'Brien
Abuse you guys.
Matt Gourley
Abuse people on multiple levels.
Conan O'Brien
I know you really could.
Will Arnett
You had room just to make fun of people.
Conan O'Brien
People are gonna get the wrong idea about me from these jokes you're making.
Will Arnett
Oh, yeah?
Conan O'Brien
Yeah.
Sonam of Session
Anyhoo, can I also ask. You went on Kimmel, which is really funny, and he gave you advice to sit down. Did you sit down by the time.
Conan O'Brien
No, not that much. Wow.
Mike Sweeney
No. You were on your feet the whole time.
Conan O'Brien
I was on my feet the whole time. Cause I'm very hyperactive. Yeah. Jimmy's advice was sit as much as possible. Cause it's a lot of standing, and I can't sit still. And so there's footage. I mean, I gotta give a shout out. Since you're naming everyone you've ever met. Hey, doing an amazing job. I'm gonna list the people that served in the Korean War. Now, on the American side, no, but Ruthie and Samantha, who handle the social media, they did this amazing thing where they were shooting video all the time, sort of day in the life video, and posting it. But there's. Not only am I not sitting down, but at one point, I'm doing a Russian dance while the writers around me are chanting Conan. And the show is only half over, and I'm expending energy and doing that leg kick dance where I'm trying, and then it's madness. Absolute madness. But that's the world I like to live in. Anyway, it was an honor. It was a privilege. It was a thrill. And Mike Sweeney would not have happened without this. Man, you guys probably do. No, we'd have found someone, sure.
Mike Sweeney
Of course.
Conan O'Brien
Very quickly.
Mike Sweeney
So the first thing I learned about is, everyone's replaceable.
Conan O'Brien
What's next?
Mike Sweeney
So you better show up to work.
Will Arnett
I mean, you've hosted the Emmys.
Conan O'Brien
You've hosted the Grammys. No Grammys.
Will Arnett
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
Come on, Eduardo.
Will Arnett
You're a real fit.
Conan O'Brien
What do you think? I think you're a perfect fit.
Mike Sweeney
I think you Do I think you're Spanish?
Conan O'Brien
Killed during the. Yes, we. That was. Yeah.
Mike Sweeney
And you're Hindi and you're Chinese. You're Mandarin.
Conan O'Brien
The key to the Mandarin was they were laughing so they couldn't hear the Mandarin. But anyway, it was a real highlight. But it's also. Man, it's nice to have that behind us.
Mike Sweeney
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
I gotta say.
Mike Sweeney
Well, great job. I know I haven't said that till now. No, you really nailed it. Fantastic.
Conan O'Brien
Well, we can't just be patting ourselves on the back here. There's work to be done. There's work to be done. Yeah.
Mike Sweeney
So this man. Can I talk to you?
Conan O'Brien
Can I talk about this guy?
Mike Sweeney
What you do and what you did.
Conan O'Brien
Now, when you did it. Now I'll be Sebastian Maniscalco.
Eduardo Inosho
This guy.
Conan O'Brien
This fucking guy. This fucking guy. All right, that was our Oscars podcast. Talk down.
Matt Gourley
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Podcast Summary: Conan Recaps the Oscars with Mike Sweeney
Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend Episode: Conan Recaps the Oscars with Mike Sweeney
Release Date: March 13, 2025
Conan O’Brien opens the episode by addressing his listeners’ interest in his recent experience hosting the Oscars. He introduces Mike Sweeney, his longtime head writer, highlighting their 30-year collaboration and the pivotal role Mike played in orchestrating the Oscars event.
Conan O'Brien [01:02]: "We've had a lot of requests out there from people to talk about my recent experience hosting the Oscars."
Conan narrates the unexpected nature of being asked to host the Oscars. Despite a packed schedule and recently returning from a travel episode in Spain, he accepted the invitation, driven by a spontaneous decision.
Mike Sweeney [02:38]: "It just seemed random, out of left field, like not. It was not on our radar."
Conan O'Brien [03:16]: "It was as if I had hit me funny. It was as if I had got a call that said, we want you to be the new Miss America."
Shortly after accepting the hosting role, Conan faced personal tragedy with the sudden passing of both his father and mother. This period was emotionally taxing, yet his dedicated team supported him through these difficult times.
Conan O'Brien [03:22]: "I saw that my mom is going too. And she went three days later. And that was an experience that was very intense."
Conan O'Brien [05:08]: "But Skyler Higley wrote the Drake joke. I gotta give it up."
Conan and Mike regrouped to assemble an exceptional team of writers, leveraging long-standing relationships to ensure the material resonated with Conan’s comedic style. This reunion was both nostalgic and creatively invigorating.
Mike Sweeney [06:13]: "Amazing, amazing writers. We just laughed. I missed being in a room with this crew."
Conan O'Brien [07:24]: "We have to tell this story. Skyler Higley wrote the Drake joke."
The duo delves into the intricacies of crafting jokes for the Oscars, highlighting the rigorous process of generating numerous ideas, refining them, and dealing with the constraints imposed by concurrent award shows. They emphasize the importance of adaptability and not becoming overly attached to any single idea.
Conan O'Brien [09:07]: "We had so many ideas that, like, you can't get too attached to any idea because you just know that things are going to get cut."
Conan O'Brien [12:43]: (Ad breaks omitted as per instruction)
A significant portion of the discussion centers around the technical aspects of the Oscars production, particularly the exceptional lighting handled by Bobby Dickinson and Noah Mintz. Conan humorously addresses misconceptions about his appearance on stage, attributing his polished look to professional lighting rather than personal enhancements.
Conan O'Brien [19:45]: "I have been... My wife is just. I am horizontal all the time."
Conan O'Brien [20:25]: "The lighting is insane. It's the best lighting I've ever had."
Conan recounts his experiences backstage and onstage, including memorable interactions with celebrities like Mick Jagger. He describes the high-pressure environment, the meticulous coordination with producers Raj and Katie, and the seamless execution of his scripted and improvised moments.
Conan O'Brien [23:33]: "Oprah sat Oprah."
Conan O'Brien [30:08]: "He... he was lovely. He was great and funny and thoughtful."
One standout moment was Conan’s backstage encounter with Mick Jagger, where they discussed performance anxieties and the shared experience of entertaining large audiences. This interaction underscored the universal pressures faced by performers, regardless of their stature.
Conan O'Brien [29:08]: "Mick Jagger... he was incredibly nice. He said to me at one point, oh. And by the Way we've never met. And I'm like, he. How do you know you've never met me?"
Conan O'Brien [30:59]: "But he... he was lovely. He was great and funny and thoughtful."
Conan reflects on the overall success of hosting the Oscars, expressing gratitude towards his team and the Academy. He acknowledges the intense scrutiny and personal challenges but emphasizes the rewarding nature of the experience. The camaraderie with his writers and the seamless blending of his comedic instincts with the formalities of the Oscars were highlighted as key factors in the event's success.
Conan O'Brien [35:37]: "It was a really fun night."
Conan O'Brien [43:01]: "It was a real highlight, but it's also. Man, it's nice to have that behind us."
Conan O'Brien [44:33]: "What's next?"
Conan O'Brien [07:36]: "Skyler Higley wrote the Drake joke."
Mike Sweeney [15:11]: "We can't do that. It's gone now because someone else did it."
Conan O'Brien [25:03]: "How much of the show do you."
In this episode, Conan O’Brien provides an in-depth and heartfelt recount of his journey hosting the Oscars, navigating personal loss, and collaborating with a dedicated team to deliver a memorable event. The candid discussions, intertwined with humor and candid reflections, offer listeners a comprehensive understanding of the complexities and triumphs involved in such a high-profile endeavor.