
Conan talks to Nurzhamal in Almaty, Kazakhstan to discuss Conan’s evasion of her attempts to get ahold of him and performing on the Kazakh stand-up circuit. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply
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C
Hi, Nerjamal. Welcome to Conan O'.
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Brien. Hi.
D
Hi, guys. Hi.
A
Hello, Nergamal. Wow.
D
I just cannot believe. Hi, Sona. Hi. Hi, Kona.
A
Nice to see you.
B
Hi to me first.
D
Nice to see you.
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Always save the best for last, they say. And then, hi, Matt's here as well. Hi, Matt.
D
I saw Matt.
A
No, we did.
D
So I said hi already.
C
I'm kidding you.
A
No, there's no reason for us to assume he wasn't important. I was. Nerl. Welcome to our little podcast. It's nice to meet you. Am I saying your name correctly? Nergmal?
D
Yes, it's Nerjamal.
A
Yeah, Nerjamal. And where are you coming to us from?
D
I'm calling from Almaty, Kazakhstan.
A
Wow, Kazakhstan.
C
It says first.
A
Yeah, I think you're our first person that we're talking to from Kazakhstan. And you're in. You said you're in Almaty, is that right?
D
Yes, it's Almaty. It's in the south part of Kazakhstan.
A
That's what I assumed.
D
It's the best city.
A
It's a really good city. Do you like it there? Have you lived there your whole life?
D
Yeah, I was born here. I was raised here. And by the way, it's not the first time we are talking with you, Conan. Yeah, I think our story goes back like seven years before, if I can.
A
Wait, was I married to you? No, no, I married some woman in Kazakhstan. I remember. And it was very, it was very short lived and yeah, most of it's been scrubbed from the Internet. Wait, so how do I. We interacted. You said seven, eight years ago. What was this interaction?
D
So seven years ago I was on my undergraduate studies and I was super depressed and I found one of your videos, like when I got this in YouTube poll and I got. And I was so in love with the comedy and I saw this video where he said that if you send me snacks from the country, I will come to this country and say thank you in person. So I believed that. I was like, okay, I will collect all of the snacks that I know from Kazakhstan. I send it to you. And then no, nothing. And I was like, okay.
A
Oh, we didn't. Wait a minute, hold on a second. This is important to me. You sent us a bunch of, I'm going to say Kazakhstani snacks.
D
Yeah, that's.
A
And you never heard back from us. I do not recall getting snacks from Kazakhstan.
C
Sona, Sona, you have some Kazakhstani snack wrappers hanging out of your pockets right now.
B
Listen, here's what happened when you did that. A lot of people from a lot of different countries sent us snacks. And so a lot of us in the office would open them, save the letters, and then we would eat the snacks.
A
And, and you didn't make me aware that I had been. I mean the gift was to me.
B
Can I say though, we did send all the letters to Mike Sweeney, your head writer. So I passed along my responsibility and now I'm.
C
Now you're passing along the buck.
B
Now I'm passing the buck along. No, Mike Sweeney, who is not here to speak for himself.
A
So, Nizamal Nirjamal, let me make it clear to you, I was unaware, but I would like to know what were the snacks? What are some snacks from Kazakhstan? What? What did I miss out on?
D
There were some chips with a taste of horse meat. I know it sounds.
A
Oh, Christ.
D
I know. Like I love horse merry bit.
A
Well, hold on. So wait a minute. I can't believe horse meat flavored chips didn't make their way to me. Sona. I know. I remember that week you smelled like horse and you had all this horse chip crumbs around your mouth.
B
You know what? I do remember this box. Cause they were very unique snacks. And we tried them just to see how they would taste. They just tasted like chips. If I remember right. I mean.
A
Right.
B
They're not like.
A
So the horse meat flavor didn't really come through?
B
No, I have never had horse, so maybe it did, but it just tasted like chips.
D
I couldn't send horse meat because, you know, food regulations and stuff.
A
So I. I hate, you know what, the government. I hate the government when the government won't let us send shredded horse through the mail.
C
Stay out of my horse meat skills.
A
Exactly. Don't tread on horse meat grabber. Okay.
D
And I sent one of the fine chocolates of Kazakhstan, by the way. I called the office even though I was a broke student. I was calling the office and had office manager on call and I was asking if you like had the chance of tasting it. And I don't remember what he said, but I was making sure that you would taste it. So.
A
You know what makes me suspicious? You said office manager. This is not. We are. This is not like an Apple store. This is not a professional. We're not a Staples. This is a very goofy place. So anyone who picked up the phone and said office manager was probably just some random idiot. Yeah, it may not have been someone who worked here. Let's cut to the chase. I am sorry, Narjamal, that I did not receive and acknowledge your gift. That makes me feel sad. Not so sad that it. I mean, it's a sadness that will be short lived. But I'm sorry that I didn't get.
D
Your horse me ships because there is a continuation to that story.
A
Oh, God.
D
So I don't know, it's.
A
No, keep going, keep going. We need to hear. I just feel badly for what's coming.
D
So I'm like, okay. He didn't respond to that. And then I had a graduation ceremony, and I thought, okay, I need to invite him. But I didn't have money because, you know, I was a student. And there was only one thing that was precious to me. It was a printer that was a gift from my mom, and I sold it, and it was exactly the price. A letter to send you. Because it was a FedEx and it was expensive.
A
Wait, wait, wait. You sold a printer that prints out, you know, emails, any. Right. A real printer.
D
A printer that copies and also scans and also prints.
A
Wait a minute. You sold that? And that's how much it costs to send a letter from Kazakhstan to Los Angeles to.
D
It was like a. How to say it's like, in three, four days. It was like a very fast delivery. So it cost that much?
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Yeah.
C
Was this. Did you print your letter with this printer, or was it handwritten?
D
Yeah, of course. Before the. Before I sold it, I was like, this is your last.
A
It's like the gift of the magi.
C
It is.
A
You know, I sold my hair to buy you watch fob. The watch fob. And that's so funny. I sold my watch fob to buy you this comb. That's the trick ending. Sorry. It's a O. Henry story that no one cares about anymore, but. And thanks for the help with the watch 5. Because you actually have a watch fob on you right now.
C
Listen, I helped you, and you're gonna insult me?
A
That's not an insult. Hey, that's not an insult.
C
Well, it's a lie.
A
It's a lie, but it's not an insult.
C
I do have some pearl inlay combs on me, though.
A
Oh, my God, Narjamal. I can't believe this story. You sold a printer, an expensive printer so that you could get the money to FedEx. Sounds like almost overnight, a letter to me. Please tell me I responded to the letter. Please.
D
You responded to the video on your Instagram account. And you made, like, just the day before my graduation. And it was crazy. I was like. To be honest with you, I was crying of happiness. This is a.
A
This makes me happy. Narjamal, I'm not kidding. I hate that you went through all this. And I'm so happy that you got that. I've responded. We have a lot of. As you can imagine, it's a little chaotic here, and there's a lot of people in Kazakhstan sending me chips and selling printers to send me their wigs so that I can get them a watch fob.
B
How long ago? Sorry, Just so I know who your assistant was, how long ago was that letter that you sent?
D
I sent in 2019.
C
Oh, you were done by then?
B
No, I was still your assistant.
A
Hey. Hey. We have it on record that she accomplished something.
B
Okay.
A
Yay. Cut to footage of cheering crowds from the 1920s. No. Good job. Listen, Sona, all joking aside, Sona is a great assistant, and she did take care of the important stuff. You really did.
B
I did.
A
And so the fact that, I mean, we joke around a lot, and some of it's based in truth, and a lot of based in truth, but you. It's mostly based in truth. It's all true. But you.
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And you have great taste.
B
I think you need to zhuzh it up a little bit, okay? Especially your sofa. Your sofa is horrendous.
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I play a lot of video games. Honestly, the couches are sagging and my back is really hurting. So I really could use some new furniture and your help in picking out something that's gonna look nice and it's gonna last me for a long time.
B
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A
Okay.
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This has a recliner. It's got lights on the bottom, and it's got cup holders.
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I like this a lot. Now, would you see me as a leather guy or a cloth guy?
B
Look, I run hot.
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Me, dad. You know what? I'm not even going to make fun of you for that, because so am I. That's what friendship's all about. Sweating together. Let's see the next one.
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Ooh. I like this a lot. I like the speaker in it. I like the color. I like the cloth. But here's the thing. I don't want to go to the store to pick this up.
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I mean, I'm a. I grew up a Raiders fan. My brother was really into it, but now I'm a Rams fan because I like any team that's in la. I don't.
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C
I think, I think we should get.
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Her a new printer.
D
There is a continuation.
B
Oh, this story has so many layers.
A
You know what's fascinating, Narjamal, you can say, but there's more. You don't have to say, but there is a continuation because it's just a little shorter. But there's more.
D
Okay. Thank you so much.
A
That's okay. I'm just trying to help.
D
I'm not a native speaker, so.
A
Yeah, no, no, you're doing your, you speak very well. Just this is a little trick. This is a little, this is a little life hack instead of. But there is a continuation. But there's more.
D
Okay, but there's more.
A
Yes.
D
Year ago you had this radio show where you told that people could call you. So I thought like, okay, you know, he didn't still show up. I mean, I haven't seen you in Kazakhstan, so I should call. But it was 2am and I was trying to call, and it was an international call. So obviously it was very hard for me. So my friend who lives in Michigan, she was at the office working. So she was like, let me help you. And she postponed all of her meetings and she was calling you. We collectively, we called like 500 times, I think. So we got you on the line and she was on the phone. I was talking like this through laptop and she was putting her phone like this and we could speak for like 10 minutes.
A
Were you speaking to me or were you speaking to someone at the show?
D
No, I was speaking to you, Conan. And you said that I have beautiful name. And now that I know you forgot.
A
And I remember this, I was there. But wait, I'm just trying to understand the context of it, that's all. I, I. So many people. Narjamal, you're very near and dear to my heart, but so many people call in. You hosted. It was like a one hour, just call in style show. Got it at SiriusXM offices. And it was during that time that it got. And I remember specifically. See, I don't even. Yeah, it was just Conan. I am Conan. Narjamal, you have to understand, I'm constantly on the go interacting things without us. Well, of course I do things without you.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Gotta make some scratch hurtful. Yeah, that's money I get to keep. I don't have to, you know, take off 2% for you guys.
C
It does feel like we should have got Mark Twain prizes.
B
Yeah, I agree.
A
They are. They're coming. Okay. Yeah, they're called the Shania Twain. I'll take it, man.
C
I feel like a woman better than.
A
That Mark Twain, please. I'm making it about Narsamal and you're making your dumb Shania Twain jokes, which have been made before, by the way. I just borrowed it. Narjamal. I feel badly about the printer and it sounds like I've had. I did send you a video and I did talk to you on the phone. So I think I've been a pretty good guy. But I feel very badly about this printer and the goods you sent me that were not acknowledged. So I think I need to replace the printer. Do you think that's fair?
D
That would be fair. Because my mom didn't know that I sold the printer because I couldn't tell her. I was ashamed that, you know, when I showed your show, she was like, what is this?
A
And I'm like, well, yeah, you know what?
D
This is the guy that I sold the printer for. And she was so disappointed. And you know what? I bought her a free shirt.
A
Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. Your mother said you showed your mother the show and you said, this is the reason I sold the printer. And your mother was. Her reaction was disappointed. Yeah. Did she think I was funny?
C
I mean, I'm A little disappointed.
A
Did she think I was funny?
D
I was like, no, but who cares? I think that you are funny.
A
No, now you don't understand my psyche, Narjamal. You don't understand my psyche. I always go towards the person who's not responding. And now I feel like I don't need to visit you. I'm obsessed with winning your mother over.
D
She told me this Conan guy needs to buy me a printer.
A
Then.
C
So I'm like, oh, that's how you win her over.
B
Oh, there you go.
A
I feel like I have to buy her something more than that now. I mean, I really have to win her over.
C
Buy her a person who's in the trade of a printer, you know, from the 1880s.
B
Yeah. She was like, she would have been okay about the printer if she liked it.
A
You. Right? If it had been a better comedian.
D
Yeah.
B
Then she would have been.
D
She would be like, does she.
A
Does she a big.
D
It's worse.
A
Is she a big comedy fan?
D
She likes my jokes. Because, by the way, I started doing a standup comedy after. Well, after I started watching your show, I got inspired and I started doing comedy.
A
Good for you.
D
Yeah. So thank you. But in Kazakhstan, it's like, sometimes there are two people in the audience for English crowd. So I'm not doing that well.
A
But can I ask you a question? Why can't you. Why can't you do it in the native tongue? Why can't you speak. Do standup comedy for the people of Kazakhstan in their own language?
D
That's a good question.
A
Why are you doing it in English for two people who.
D
It's. I. I start. You know what?
B
Because.
D
I usually think in English and everything that I consume is in English. For example, through your show, I was introduced to great comedians like Norm MacDonald. I love your segment with Kevin Nealon, and so many great comedians through your show. And I was like, I got inspired and I started doing it in different countries as well. So I decided to come back to Kazakhstan to. I mean, to do something.
A
You do stand up comedy. You do it in English and you're doing it in Kazakhstan. You say the problem is that when you're at the club. How many comedy clubs are there in Kazakhstan?
D
There are several.
A
But what are their names? What are the names of the Kazakhstani?
D
Okay, there is one in my city. It's called Central Stand Up Club, but we have.
A
It sounds very like Soviet, the Central Standup Club. You must have your papers. You must have your papers in order. You have been given, issued a warning by the Central Committee of the standups. Yuk.
C
Yuks of the state.
A
Yeah. Chuckles for the people and for the revolution. The people's belly. Laughs Laughter for grain and for larger families. Sorry. We went on a little run there and it was a lot of fun for everybody, and I think it showed real knowledge of different cultures. Nerjamal, I do feel like I owe you. You've been a very loyal fan. I'm glad that I've inspired you to do comedy and to try and make other people laugh. I do think it's the hope for the future is laughter. Well, actually also vaccines and enough food for everyone in maybe a cooler climate. Those are ahead of laughter. Laughter's like last, but laughter. We need to get rid of nuclear. Nuclear disarmament, global warming, enough food, some kind of renewable cool energy source. We need an end to dictatorships and oligarchs and then laughter. Those are the things in that prayer, in that list.
D
Okay, thank you for the lecture.
A
You're good. You're good. But let me say more in continuation. You.
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I think we're.
D
It's more, right? It's more to this.
A
There's more.
D
Is this how you tell it? There's more.
A
But wait.
D
You don't say but.
A
You say, but wait, there's more. But wait.
D
Oh, okay.
A
There's more. And you give kind of a look like, but wait, there's more.
D
There's more.
A
Yeah, that's good. You got it. You got it. I think you show a lot of promise, Nurjamal. You're very funny. You're very persistent, you're very generous. You have a big heart. You're creative. You're all the things that I love about a fan about anybody, but especially a fan of mine. I think your mother is way out of control with her comedy tastes. And I'm just gonna be. I'm gonna wake up at three in the morning and wonder, why can't I win over Narjamal's mother? I know, but I'm very happy that we are talking and I hope we get to meet in. I hope we get to meet in person, and I will find a way to right what's been wrong. Okay.
D
Wow, That's a lot of promise for the person who told that you will travel to the country where you send the snacks. So I am like, Jesus, you did say it. I am just. No, no, no. To be fair, I'm really honored to see you guys. I'm trying to.
A
Yeah. To be fair. To be fair. You have to be fair. You lied to me, Conan. You broke my heart. You broke my heart. You didn't acknowledge the snacks I sent. You robbed my mother of a printer that I stole from her just so I could communicate with you. And you don't remember the time we talked on the phone. Other than that, you seem like a swell guy.
C
He left the drapes open in the Tahoe house.
A
This is just. I've been annihilated. Narjmal. I will make this right, or my name isn't Steve Rob a Lobalob. No, I'm gonna make this right. Okay.
D
Okay. Okay.
A
I like you. You're a nice person.
D
You guys, I am so honored and so happy to be here and to see you. I was, like, a big fan. I'm still. I listen to the podcast and I love all of you.
C
Oh, that's nice to think that Sona and I never let you down.
A
Yeah, you can rely on those, too, because Sona never forgets. All right, well, it's an honor, Narjamal. It's an honor to talk to you, and I do look forward to meeting you in person. Something tells me our story continues. Something tells me there'll be more.
C
More in continuation.
A
There'll be more in continuation. To put it in your own words. All right, you take care, Narjamal.
D
You too, guys. Yeah, take care. Be safe. Thank you so much for invitation.
A
You too.
D
That's, like, mind blowing. Thank you for all of the people who worked. Aaron and Eduardo. Thank you so much, guys.
A
You're so sweet. She's so nice. Eduardo got a shout out. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, cut out the part where Eduardo's. Thankfully, we can convert that into landfill. Bye. Bye, Narjamal. Take care.
D
Bye, Conan.
A
Bye.
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Episode: Don’t Look A Gift Horse Meat In The Mouth
Date: September 4, 2025
Host: Conan O’Brien
Guests: Sona Movsesian (assistant/co-host), Matt Gourley (co-host), Narjamal from Almaty, Kazakhstan
In this episode, Conan and his team connect with Narjamal, a longtime fan from Kazakhstan whose uniquely persistent attempts to reach Conan—with snacks, heartfelt letters, and even the sacrifice of her prized printer—spark a wide-ranging, funny, and ultimately touching conversation. The episode joyfully explores failed mail, cultural exchanges, the power of comedy, and the responsibilities (and possible atrocities) of being a celebrity pen pal.
On snacks and lost gifts
“I can't believe horse meat flavored chips didn’t make their way to me. Sona... I remember that week you smelled like horse and you had all this horse chip crumbs around your mouth.”
— Conan (05:39)
On selling the printer
“I sold my hair to buy you a watch fob... It's an O. Henry story that no one cares about anymore.”
— Conan (09:05)
On Conan’s responsibility to Narjamal’s mom
“I feel like I have to buy her something more than that now. I really have to win her over.”
— Conan (20:43)
On starting comedy in Kazakhstan
“In Kazakhstan, it's like, sometimes there are two people in the audience for English crowd. So I'm not doing that well.”
— Narjamal (21:20)
On the order of human priorities
“We need to get rid of nuclear... and then laughter. Those are the things in that prayer, in that list.”
— Conan (23:03)
On running gags and heartwarming resilience
“You have been given, issued a warning by the Central Committee of the standups. Yuk.”
— Conan (22:44, joking about Soviet-style comedy bureaucracy)
The episode is playful, self-deprecating, and affectionate, with classic Conan banter, team ribbing, and a global flavor. Despite the humor, there’s a heartfelt appreciation for Narjamal’s perseverance and for comedy’s connective power.
In “Don’t Look A Gift Horse Meat In The Mouth,” Conan O’Brien’s ongoing quest for real connections finds a kind, persistent, and very funny friend from Kazakhstan. Through misadventures involving missing snacks, sacrificed technology, and international miscommunication, the episode delivers on the promise of both laughter and warmth—reminding us, sometimes friendship is forged not despite confusion and chaos, but because of it.