
Conan talks to Lucas in Amsterdam about playing professional basketball and the quickest ways to gain weight. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply
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Sona Movsesian
Conan O'Brien needs a fan. Want to talk to Conan? Visit TeamCoco.com Call Conan. Okay, let's get started. Hi Lucas. Welcome to Conan O'Brien needs a fan.
Conan O'Brien
Hi, Lucas.
Lucas
Hey there everybody. Hi.
Conan O'Brien
How are you?
Lucas
Good, how are you?
Conan O'Brien
We're. We're doing well. Our friend Matt Gorley is not with us today. He called in sick.
Sona Movsesian
When.
Conan O'Brien
Which means probably at the mall scoping out the chicks. I know what he does as he does. As he does. Okay, Lucas, tell me a little bit about yourself. Where are you in the world right now? I have no idea.
Lucas
I am currently in Amsterdam.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, okay. Is Amsterdam where you're from?
Lucas
Yes, it's also where I'm from.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, wow. Okay. I love Amsterdam. I was there many years ago. I shot some travel stuff there in a whole other lifetime, I believe in the 90s or early 2000s.
Sona Movsesian
Really?
Conan O'Brien
And I loved it. I thought it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. And the. Really? I think it's absolutely gorgeous. So good for you for living in Amsterdam. And tell me a little bit about yourself, Lucas, how old are you?
Lucas
I am 26, so I live in Amsterdam with my girlfriend and my two cats. I currently work as an IT consultant and I play basketball.
Conan O'Brien
Okay, basketball.
Lucas
That's that in a nutshell.
Conan O'Brien
Okay, you say you play basketball. You mean just as kind of a hobby or how serious are you about basketball nowadays?
Lucas
More of a. It's more of a hobby. I used to play professional.
Conan O'Brien
Whoa.
Lucas
Some. A while back when I was still studying. But I could not combine work and professional basketball. So you played.
Conan O'Brien
On what level did you play professional basketball?
Lucas
The highest level in the Netherlands.
Conan O'Brien
That's fantastic. That's impressive.
Lucas
Yeah. Compared to the rest of the world, it's kind of meh. But it's all right here.
Conan O'Brien
Can I say something, Lucas? I don't like your attitude. You're saying all you have to do is say, I play professional basketball. I played pro ball, and then end the sentence there. Not. You don't have to mention in Amsterdam and for the Netherlands, it's okay, but it's kind of meh everywhere else. By that point, the woman that you were talking to at the bar has gone, okay, you just say, I played professional basketball.
Lucas
Yeah, but. Yeah, but I don't want to get. Want to let it get to my head, so I want to keep myself grounded and keep myself humble.
Sona Movsesian
It could get to your head. Yeah, I think I would let it get to my head.
Conan O'Brien
I would. I think there's nothing wrong if I had played professional basketball for a day. It's all you'd ever hear about. It's all you'd ever hear about. True. Were you any good? You must have been pretty good.
Lucas
Yeah, I did it for, I think, five years. Yeah, I was pretty good. I was playing. I was also playing here in Amsterdam, so I was having a good time with a lot of traveling. It was still. When I was still in college, so that was kind of rough, like comparing doing the studying stuff next to the basketball and combining that. But it was. It was a good time.
Conan O'Brien
Now let me ask you some stats about yourself. How tall are you?
Lucas
I'm six three.
Conan O'Brien
Okay. All right. That's.
Lucas
So I'm not that tall again.
Conan O'Brien
I mean, Lucas, we have a lot of.
Lucas
Compared to other basketball players.
Conan O'Brien
Compared to. Yeah. Guess what? Compared to the sun, I don't generate much warmth. I guess I'm a cold fish. You've got to stop doing that, Lucas. Okay, okay.
Lucas
Okay. All right.
Conan O'Brien
You're 6 3, which is tall by just about any standard. Okay. You're a six foot. Look, we're gonna work on you, Lucas. You're a 6 foot 3 badass who played pro basketball.
Lucas
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
And now you're an IT genius. Okay. Yeah.
Lucas
That's the way.
Conan O'Brien
You need some of this American swagger. Here's what we do in America, and I think you've probably noticed, we just say we're great at stuff.
Sona Movsesian
Yes.
Conan O'Brien
Even if we're not. And a lot of times we don't know what we're doing, but we just say we've got all covered, and the rest of the world just shakes its head and goes, they're wrong. But whatevs. You know what? I'm Saying. Yeah. So I. I think you should feel better about yourself, you know?
Lucas
All right, I'll take that attitude.
Conan O'Brien
And you should start wearing a lot of chains.
Sona Movsesian
Okay.
Conan O'Brien
Don't you think that's an odd.
Sona Movsesian
Yeah. Okay.
Conan O'Brien
Chains that say Lucas.
Lucas
Why?
Conan O'Brien
And. And I'm six three.
Sona Movsesian
Okay. You want him to wear his height on a necklace instead of just, like, existing. I mean, I feel like people will know he's. By being around him.
Conan O'Brien
You mentioned a girlfriend. What's her story?
Lucas
Yeah, so she also plays basketball. She still plays basketball. Pro.
Conan O'Brien
Your girlfriend's a professional basketball player?
Lucas
Yeah, she is.
Conan O'Brien
That's fantastic.
Lucas
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's pretty. It's pretty cool. I met her through her brother. I used to play with her brother on the. On the team I used to play on.
Conan O'Brien
So what's her name?
Lucas
I met her.
Conan O'Brien
Sorry, what's her name?
Lucas
Zoe.
Conan O'Brien
Okay, so Zoe. And how tall is Zoe?
Lucas
Six one, I believe. Six one? Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
You keep looking off to the side. Is she in the room with you?
Lucas
No, no, she's two rooms, two rooms apart.
Conan O'Brien
Wow. This relationship is flourishing. We live two rooms apart from one another. What are you, a Mennonite? Okay, well, all right, but things. How long you've been going out for?
Lucas
7 years.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, my goodness. All right. Wow. Okay. Things are getting serious. And you're young, so you started dating when you were 11. But you know what? Again, it's. It's. It's Amsterdam. You guys are probably, you know, token on that bong.
Lucas
Oh, boy.
Conan O'Brien
Dating when you're 11, you know, so. No, no, no. Those are just stereotypes about Amsterdam, which we don't indulge in anymore. We know there's so much more to Amsterdam. Um, the. Well, I think this is all very impressive.
Sona Movsesian
It's really cool. I think that's pretty sweet that you guys are both basketball players.
Conan O'Brien
I mean, do you play ball with each other?
Lucas
Um, not that often. Sometimes when she needs a sparring buddy on practice, I go over there and we can play some basketball.
Conan O'Brien
You give her a little. You play defense a little bit and try and keep her on her, you know. That's good. That's good.
Lucas
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll try to make it. I'll try to make her life a little bit tough. Yeah.
Sona Movsesian
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
Okay. That's good. You live two rooms apart from each other and you try to make her life more difficult. It's all adding up now. This is the way. Okay, well, I feel like you've got a pretty good life. Are you done with basketball or do you Want to continue with it?
Lucas
No, I'm still currently playing, so I quit pro basketball, and then I had two years of, well, not playing, and I just started playing again this season. So, yeah, I'm. I'm still. But on a lower level, so I'm kind of relaxing.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. What's your strength as a player?
Lucas
Ooh, I think. I think I'm a. I think I'm a pretty good scorer.
Conan O'Brien
I'm sorry, are you those guys that has, like, a killer outside shot? Like, you can just. You can just drain it. You can drain threes all day.
Sona Movsesian
Buckets.
Lucas
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
Hey, I'm a. I'm doing the cool talk. Can you just drain buckets all day?
Sona Movsesian
I'm doing the cool talk. It stopped when you said cool talk. That's when it stopped being cool.
Conan O'Brien
You just drain in trays all day and all night. Are you just.
Matt Gourley
Are these raining down?
Conan O'Brien
Is that what's happening with you, or are you a guy that drives? Do you drive to the hole? Cause I'll tell you, that's what I did in my day.
Lucas
Okay.
Sona Movsesian
Ew.
Conan O'Brien
What? Yeah, no, I meant drive toward the basket.
Sona Movsesian
Oh, that's okay. Yeah, Okay. I thought you meant something, you know.
Conan O'Brien
No, no, no.
Sona Movsesian
Vagina.
Conan O'Brien
No, no. Jesus Christ. No. Right. And that doesn't exclusively mean vagina.
Sona Movsesian
Okay, okay.
Conan O'Brien
There's another hole. All right. I'm just saying. Oh, no. I'm saying. How dare you assume it's not anal? That's very insulting, Lucas. This has gone way off the rails, and I think I blame Lucas.
Sona Movsesian
Yeah, I blame Lucas, too.
Conan O'Brien
Lucas. You know what? As Americans, we blame you. You European. You're not pulling your fair share.
Sona Movsesian
Yeah, you piece of shit.
Conan O'Brien
Hey, that was too far. This guy can drain trays all day and drive to the hole. Provided it's the right hole. Lucas. I'm ashamed of myself. I'm ashamed of my cous. Country. I'm ashamed of my assistant. Sona. This is just a mess. Hey, easy on the water, okay? Yeah, that stuff ain't cheap. He keeps gulping water.
Matt Gourley
No one ever said easy on the water.
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Sona Movsesian
Me too.
Conan O'Brien
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Sona Movsesian
You'll never get that back.
Conan O'Brien
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Conan O'Brien
Nice. Thanks a lot.
Lucas
I'm so thirsty.
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Conan O'Brien
Does Zoe know that you're talking to us right now?
Lucas
Yes, she knows.
Conan O'Brien
Does she approve or does she think this is a huge waste of your time?
Lucas
No, she approves. She approves.
Conan O'Brien
Okay, good.
Lucas
She was pretty high for me.
Sona Movsesian
Does she like Conan? Does she know who he is?
Lucas
Yeah, yeah, she knows who he is. She likes him.
Conan O'Brien
Okay. Hey. Yeah, there you go. I mean, who wouldn't, you know?
Sona Movsesian
Sorry.
Conan O'Brien
International. International star.
Sona Movsesian
She's just two rooms over instead of like outside excited. So I just thought maybe she was just equivalent.
Conan O'Brien
They didn't even have that room. She rented that room when she heard that Lucas was going to be talking to me. Paying lot of money right now to stay away. Lucas, is there any way that I can help you? I like to help people and you seem like a nice guy and I'd like to help you in any way I can.
Lucas
Yeah, sure. So we were on the topic of basketball and you were saying like those interesting phrases with like, driving through the hole and that kind of stuff. So I'm in a team with a lot of introverts and I think. And I'm also kind of introverted, but when I'm on the court, I can get more vocal. But I think you could help me and maybe my team, through me, be more of a trash talking team.
Conan O'Brien
Oh, yeah. Oh, you came to the right guy. Yeah. I'll tell you a true story, Lucas. I used to play a lot of basketball with just kids in the neighborhood. There was a hoop. There was a school across the street. There was a hoop there. And so my brother and his friends would get together and a bunch of us would play. And my sister Kate would come over and play. She's a good athlete. And we would have these games, these just pickup games in the neighborhood. And I spent all my time describing who my character was. I would stop the game and describe who my character was. How he had done time in prison for murdering a fan in the stands, but got off on a technicality. I would go on and on and on. Then I would talk constantly. When they would pass me the ball, I would start talking as my character. Oh, God. And it was so. I mean, occasionally people would be laughing, but a lot of times they were just annoyed and frustrated and so all I did was talk. So, yes, you came to the right place. I swear, I could teach you guys to trash talk. I would be so good at it. That would be great because I really don't Go ahead.
Lucas
I was about to ask, did that trash talk open up anything like in the game for you?
Conan O'Brien
No. It in no way helped my game. It in no way helped my game because there were long periods of time where I'm holding the ball, not moving and not trying to score or pass, but just monologuing as my character. Nicky Fisk. Nicky Fisk was actually one of them. Nicky. His name was Nicky Fisk. P H I S S oh, God. And he had done time in prison for attacking an old woman in the stands. And she had died. And he had gone to prison for manslaughter, but then got out on a technicality. That is a real story. And I remember my brother Luke holding his head in his hands, saying, can you just pass the ball? And I would be the announcer. This is Nikki's first time since being let out of prison on a technicality. May I remind you, Nikki Fisk murdered a 72 year old fan in the stands. We have tape of it now. We'll go to it now. And they were just begging me to play. So I will make your team more vocal. I will make your team great trash talkers. Will you be better at basketball? No. Will you be worse? Yes. This will not help your game.
Lucas
Okay, that sounds like a good deal.
Conan O'Brien
What about physically? Is there any way I, I can help you physically to train or anything like that? I'm a very. I'm a very physical man. I am six four. And I have a very impressive physicality. In person. I know it doesn't come across on screen. Shut up, everyone. He's here. Just shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. In person, I have a very physical aura. How can I help you in that area?
Lucas
Well, maybe, I mean, I've. This, this is not a good way to start this story, but I've completely given up on gaining weight. Even though I think I still should gain some weight just to like throw people around a bit more. On your skinny right now, I don't, I don't say I'm super skinny, but yeah, I'm on the. I'm more on the leaner side.
Conan O'Brien
How much do you weigh? And if you use kilos, I'm gonna fucking lose it. I want pounds because we are the dominant empire right now. How much do you weigh?
Lucas
I don't know how to convert this.
Conan O'Brien
Well, we can convert it. How many kilos?
Lucas
I think I'm about 85 kilos from now or something.
Conan O'Brien
Okay. 187 pounds. 187 pounds. Okay. Six, three, you know what? We're not far off. Cause I'm six four, about 191, something like that. 192. Somewhere in that neighborhood. Of course, mostly muscle that weighs more.
Sona Movsesian
Oh, God.
Conan O'Brien
I do this when I'm lying. I never did anything wrong. I have no lust in my heart.
Lucas
My God.
Conan O'Brien
Okay, quiet man can look, can he? Anyway, you want to bulk up, right? You don't want to just put on weight. Because if you want to just put on weight, I would say drink liquid ice cream. Literally. I've heard actors say that. You just buy ice cream, you leave it out so it becomes a liquid, and you just ingest as much of it as you can. But that's how actors put on flab. But you want to put on muscle, right?
Lucas
Yeah.
Conan O'Brien
Okay.
Lucas
Well, I used to, like before, like I told. I had an intermission between the basketball season. So I didn't play for two years, and I went to the gym more often, and I gained more weight and more muscle. But once I started playing again, I basically didn't go anymore.
Conan O'Brien
And how does Zoe feel about this? Is Zoe content with Lucas right now? Lucas who? Yeah.
Lucas
Yeah, yeah, she is.
Conan O'Brien
She's not complaining, right? No, she's not saying you're not man enough. I want more muscle mass.
Lucas
No, not that I'm aware of.
Conan O'Brien
No, she's been calling us. We got some calls from Zoe. Can you talk to him? Can you set it up? Okay. I would say if you want to put on weight quickly, and this is my advice for not just you, but anyone in Amsterdam, in fact anyone in Europe, I would say move to America, live here for six months, and you will put on a ton of weight. Just. And you won't even know what happened. But that seems to be. That's just the American way.
Sona Movsesian
It's our garbage food.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. Just live here, and you will gain weight. So I. That's what I would say is move here now. It's not gonna be muscle. It's not gonna be lean muscle mass. But you will put on. You'll go back to Amsterdam. You will weigh 240 pounds, and you'll have had three knee replacements, and you'll only still be only 26 years old.
Sona Movsesian
How many kilos?
Conan O'Brien
108 kilos.
Sona Movsesian
108 kilos?
Conan O'Brien
You'll weigh 108 kilos. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of car? Do you have a car, or do you drive around on a bicycle?
Lucas
I got a bicycle.
Conan O'Brien
I knew it. Do you ever go la, la, la, la, la when you're on your bicycle?
Lucas
That's all we do.
Conan O'Brien
Because when I was. True story. I was standing on a bridge, and two beautiful girls, literally two of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen that were wearing plaid skirts drove by together on one bicycle. Not a bicycle built for two. One girl and another girl. Like, you know, and these women were. I wanna say they were like 19, 20. They were. One was sitting in front of the other, like, straddling the front of the bike, and the other was behind. And they rode by and they rang the bell and they were going, la la la la la la la la la. And I thought, this is Amsterdam. La la la la la la la. We live in Amsterdam. Ding, ding. If you do that for two seconds in la, you'll be beaten with a pipe. Can you imagine if I got on the 405 Freeway? Ding, ding, ding. La la la la la la la. Three gunshots out the window Yep. Lucas, I admire you. You seem like a very nice guy. I think you need to. I think you need to project a little more confidence. You're an impressive person. I think you're a little hard on yourself. I'm very happy that you and Zoe have found each other. I hope someday you spend some time in the same room. I aspire for that for you. I hope someday she moves to the room that you're actually in. But this seems to be working for you guys now, and it's been an honor. It's been an honor talking to you.
Lucas
Well, thank you for having me. I'll. I'll. I'll phone to Zoe and see if we can arrange something in the future.
Conan O'Brien
Yes. Why don't you write Zoe a letter, and then I want it to go through the postal service. Okay. And then be delivered to her door probably within a week by a mailman. He'll be singing la la la la la on a bicycle. Well, Lucas, so cool talking to you, and I hope our paths cross someday. That'd be fun.
Lucas
Yeah, that'd be fun. Thank you for having me.
Conan O'Brien
Yeah. Take care. Cool to talk to you.
Lucas
Thank you, Conan. Thank you, Sona.
Conan O'Brien
Bye. Bye.
Lucas
Bye.
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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend – Episode: "Drainin’ Treys and Drivin' Holes"
Release Date: May 1, 2025
In the delightful episode titled "Drainin’ Treys and Drivin' Holes," Conan O’Brien engages in a spirited and humorous conversation with Lucas, a 26-year-old IT consultant and former professional basketball player from Amsterdam. Hosted by Conan and assisted by Sona Movsesian, the episode delves into Lucas’s athletic past, his current life in Amsterdam, and his enduring relationship with his girlfriend, Zoe.
The episode kicks off with Conan introducing Lucas, who resides in Amsterdam with his girlfriend and two cats. Lucas shares his journey from professional basketball to his current role as an IT consultant, highlighting the challenges of balancing athletics with academics.
Notable Quote:
Lucas reveals that he played professional basketball at the highest level in the Netherlands before deciding to focus on his studies. Although the level of play may be modest on the global stage, Lucas takes pride in his achievements locally.
Notable Quote:
Conan humorously critiques Lucas’s modesty regarding his basketball career, encouraging him to embrace his achievements with "American swagger."
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A significant portion of the conversation focuses on Lucas's seven-year relationship with Zoe, a fellow professional basketball player. Conan playfully explores the dynamics of their long-distance arrangement, where they live two rooms apart, and the challenges it presents.
Notable Quote:
Despite the distance, Lucas and Zoe maintain a supportive relationship, occasionally playing basketball together to stay connected.
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Conan takes the conversation a step further by offering unconventional advice to help Lucas and his introverted teammates become more vocal and engaging on the court. He humorously recounts his own failed attempts at trash-talking during neighborhood basketball games, which only led to frustration among his peers.
Notable Quote:
Despite the humorous pitfalls of Conan’s past, he remains optimistic about helping Lucas inject more confidence and camaraderie into his team.
Throughout the episode, Conan and Sona engage in playful banter, especially around basketball terminology. Conan’s humorous misinterpretations and casual teasing add a layer of levity to the conversation.
Notable Quote:
Lucas opens up about his current fitness regimen and challenges in maintaining muscle mass due to the demands of returning to basketball after a hiatus. Conan offers tongue-in-cheek advice on gaining weight and muscle, reflecting his characteristic blend of humor and faux wisdom.
Notable Quote:
As the episode draws to a close, Conan expresses genuine admiration for Lucas and his relationship with Zoe. He encourages Lucas to continue pursuing his passions while maintaining a healthy personal life.
Notable Quote:
Conan’s heartfelt farewell underscores the episode’s blend of humor and sincere conversation, leaving listeners with a warm sense of connection.
"Drainin’ Treys and Drivin' Holes" is a testament to Conan O’Brien’s unique ability to blend humor with authentic dialogue. Through engaging storytelling and witty exchanges, Conan and Lucas explore themes of ambition, relationships, and personal growth. The episode not only entertains but also offers insightful reflections on balancing professional aspirations with personal life, all wrapped in Conan’s signature comedic flair.
Key Takeaways:
Whether you’re a basketball enthusiast or simply enjoy a good laugh, this episode offers a rich and engaging experience that highlights the essence of Conan O’Brien’s quest for genuine friendship and meaningful conversations.