Johnny Knoxville

Summary

Podcast Summary: Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend — Johnny Knoxville (March 2, 2026)

Overview

In this episode, Conan O'Brien sits down with Johnny Knoxville — the co-creator and star of Jackass, host of the new Fear Factor, and legendary daredevil. Their conversation is a lively, hilarious, and occasionally profound exploration of Knoxville’s career, the history of Jackass, the role of danger and friendship in comedy, and growing older after decades of slapstick mayhem. The episode brims with nostalgic stories, playful banter, and surprising emotional depth, all in classic Conan style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Art and Origin of Johnny Knoxville’s Career

• Knoxville discusses his unconventional path after high school, moving to LA to chase acting and ultimately pivoting to stunts out of a sense of urgency when he learned he would soon become a father.
• The original Jackass material began through participatory journalism: Knoxville’s “best guess” at supporting a family was testing items like stun guns and bulletproof vests on himself for magazine articles.
• The famed collaboration with Jeff Tremaine and the Big Brother Magazine team emerged from Knoxville’s willingness to record stunts for their skate video (12:33).

“I was just... That was my best guess at how to support a family. And it was all out of fear of how to support a little girl.”—Johnny Knoxville, [13:33]

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2. Turning Down Saturday Night Live for Jackass

• Knoxville recounts being invited by Lorne Michaels to join SNL to produce “his kind of video” each week — and ultimately turning it down to retain creative control, betting on Jackass with Tremaine and friends (15:35).
• The Jackass pilot was nearly derailed when the team was shut down by police while filming a handcuffed escape skit without a permit.

“I really seriously considered it, but I ended up thinking I would go on there [SNL], I'm not gonna have any creative control whatsoever ... I’d rather bet on us than enter into that.”—Johnny Knoxville, [16:30]

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3. Reflections on Danger, Comedy, and Regret

• Knoxville admits there’s an adrenaline that comes from performing for laughs, describing how the presence of a camera obliterates his sense of self-preservation — a feeling Conan deeply relates to (19:02).
• On regrets: Knoxville and Conan both muse about cringing at “tame” early material, but Knoxville has no regrets about reckless stunts — only the few times when a prank hurt someone’s feelings rather than their body (29:23 & 46:33).

“It’s actually when someone's feelings get hurt. ... The bottom falls out for me, unless the person is pure evil and deserves to have a hurt feeling.”—Conan O'Brien, [46:36]

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4. Surviving Jackass: The Cost of Stunts

• Knoxville speaks candidly about aging, lasting injuries, and the strict limits he now places on his own participation — including a hard stop on activities that risk further concussions (47:32).

“I can do stunts. I just can't do anything where I get another concussion because I. I've...16.”—Johnny Knoxville, [47:44]

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5. Jackass vs. Reality TV & The New Fear Factor

• The group compares iconic reality TV shows — from Traitors to Big Brother — with Conan riffing on how reality TV has replaced the old American pastime of “peeping,” in classic self-deprecating style (4:46).
• On hosting Fear Factor: Knoxville enjoys his role as calmly orchestrating daring deeds for contestants, contrasting it with the rough “civilians” who have real phobias. He notes the surprising empathy he developed and even admits to tearing up on set (41:35).

“When people display fear in an entertaining manner, I'm. I'm here for it. ... I even teared up a couple of times in the show.”—Johnny Knoxville, [41:35]

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6. The Jackass Brotherhood and Boundaries

• Knoxville emphasizes the deep trust and bond among Jackass cast members — noting that pranking non-Jackass “civilians” is a line he rarely crosses because it simply hurts their feelings (46:18).

“In a couple times, I've targeted a friend that was not part of...a civilian, we'll say. And it just hurt his feelings. And I'm like, I'm never going to do that again.”—Johnny Knoxville, [46:19]

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7. Comedy Influences, Sobriety, and Growth

• Knoxville reveals how reading On the Road and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas inspired his path, drawing parallels between Hunter S. Thompson’s gonzo journalism and his own full-body approach to performance (32:49).
• He expresses admiration for Steve-O’s sobriety as real bravery, emphasizing the unique challenges of facing addiction (34:39).

“Would you say something about bravery? I'm like, that's bravery. Like, he has to face that dragon every morning. And he does, and he's doing great.”—Johnny Knoxville, [34:39]

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8. Parenting, Getting Older, and Empathy

• Both Conan and Knoxville joke about being overprotective "helicopter parents," ironically at odds with their past risk-taking (38:32).
• They reflect on developing empathy and the changing ways they relate to their own stunts and the pains that come with them as they age (40:46, 48:00).

“I'm cautious with my kids. Right. I'm like, oh, but that's so funny. I was never...I was a total helicopter parent when they were little.”—Johnny Knoxville, [38:32]

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9. The Role of ‘Shady Safety Guys’

• Knoxville explains the importance of having “shady” safety guys on set, recounting stories about the crew’s alligator wrangler who would simply say, “If the alligator bites him, hopefully he will let go.” (52:59)

“You got to get really shady safety guys. Our safety guys are the shadiest.” —Johnny Knoxville, [52:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jackass’ Creative Approach:
  “If I only know how to make my friends laugh, and if they’re laughing, probably we’re good.” —Johnny Knoxville, [21:41]

• On Jackass Regret:
  “Even watching the first movie, it’s almost...so tame into what it became... I don’t regret any of that.” —Johnny Knoxville, [29:13]

• On earning a living:
  “That’s my best guess at how to support a family.”—Johnny Knoxville, [13:33]

• On Safety:
  “Our safety guys are the shadiest. ... If the alligator bites him, hopefully he will let go.” —Johnny Knoxville, [52:59]

• On Steve-O’s recovery:
  “That’s bravery. ... He has to face that dragon every morning.” —Johnny Knoxville, [34:39]

• On doing stunts with age:
  “I can do stunts. I just can’t do anything where I get another concussion.” —Johnny Knoxville, [47:32]

• On their comedic sensibility:
  “There’s always been part of me. ... I am very cerebral and cautious... and then there’s the flip side where I kind of like it when I’m not in control.” —Conan O’Brien, [38:00]

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Important Timestamps

• Career beginnings and Jackass origin: [12:33] – [15:11]
• Turning down SNL/Lorne Michaels: [15:35] – [16:39]
• Jackass pilot police shutdown: [17:02] – [19:02]
• Adrenaline & camera banter: [19:17] – [20:13]
• Regrets, stunts, and pain: [29:23] – [31:56]
• Influence of Hunter S. Thompson: [32:49] – [33:56]
• Steve-O’s sobriety: [34:37] – [35:04]
• Empathy and pranking boundaries: [41:35], [46:18] – [47:05]
• Concussion limits, aging out of stunts: [47:32] – [48:00]
• Shady safety guys story: [52:09] – [53:04]

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Tone & Style

The episode is marked by Conan’s characteristic wit, Knoxville’s self-effacing candor, playful group banter (with Sona Movsesian and David Hopping), and an undercurrent of mutual respect between host and guest. The tone is irreverent but insightful, moving from laugh-out-loud recollections to quietly profound reflections on aging, risk, and friendship.

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For New Listeners

If you’ve never listened to Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend, this episode captures the show’s best qualities: freewheeling, warm, and deeply funny conversations that reveal unexpected truths about comedy, life, and the odd paths to success.

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Listen for:

• Hilarious breakdowns of reality TV and voyeurism ([6:46]),
• Honest talk about pain and consequences of extreme comedy ([31:28]),
• Unexpected moments of emotion and empathy ([41:35]),
• Legendary stories from the Jackass set ([52:09]).

Don’t miss:
Conan volunteering bizarre ideas for new Jackass/Fear Factor stunts,
and Johnny’s take on the vital importance of shady safety coordinators.

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Johnny Knoxville’s new movie Jackass 5 is set for release on June 26th, and he hosts the new season of Fear Factor: House of Fear on FOX.

Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

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[Sona Movsesian]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

Hello, my name is Johnny Knoxv. I feel harder than a turnbuckle about being Conan o' Brien's friend.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what? I think you just may have had the best one ever.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Would you prefer harder than a folding chair? Because I can switch.

[Conan O'Brien]

I like turnbuckle. It's got a nice. It's really poetic. And I want that on my gravestone. Harder than a turnbuckle and soon

[Johnny Knoxville]

fall

[Sona Movsesian]

is here Hear the yell Back to

[Conan O'Brien]

school Ring the bell Brand new shoes

[Sona Movsesian]

Walking loose Climb the fence Books and pens I can tell that we are

[Conan O'Brien]

gonna be friends

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes, I can tell

[Conan O'Brien]

that we are gonna be friends hey there. Welcome to Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend. Joined by Sonamusian. And Matt Gourley, still out on a parental leave, has a brand new baby. Very excited for him and for his wife Amanda. He's got two girls now, which is just lovely. And David hopping, filling in for him. David, good to have you here again.

[David Hopping]

Thank you. Happy to be here.

[Conan O'Brien]

Nice to see you. David. You love your reality television. You just love it. Yeah, expl. Because David loves the show Traitors. And so I checked out the new season of Traitors because someone I knew was a contestant on the show and I thought, I just want to see what this is like. And I've seen it before, but I don't know what the strategy is on A show like that. I was watching Traitors and I thought, isn't it? They all act like, oh, I'm going to really practice my wiles and my expertise and I'm going to win the game. And I think it's not like chess.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

It looks like people are just doing stuff, but I don't really see a strategy. And then they get voted off or not. Yeah, that feels kind of random. Am I wrong?

[David Hopping]

You're supposed. They're supposed to, like, really be, like, paying attention to people. Like, to slip up. Like, if Sona's a traitor, I'm, like, really watching to see if she messes up and gives me any clue that she's the person going and meeting at night to, like, kill people in the castle.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, here's why I watch. I watch because Alan Cummings saying the word murder, that is what keeps me coming back. And he says it. I mean, he must know it's working for him because his outfits are fantastic. They're just wonderful. But. And he's just chewing scenery left and right in the most delicious way. But he manages to say murder maybe every other sentence.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, and it's so. That's fun. And then people are doing stuff, like they're running around and you've got a. Put this cantaloupe on top of that gravestone. Oh, no, not on that gravestone. And it doesn't seem to. I try to figure out what it's all about, and I don't know.

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't watch it.

[Conan O'Brien]

What are you. What reality shows are you obsessed with Sona?

[Sona Movsesian]

You know what? I'm not watching reality right now. I'm watching. I. I'm. I'm in the. I. I just like. I like horny shows. That's what I do. I'm sorry, and you knew that about me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Heated rivalry.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, yeah. Now I'm watching the new season of Tell Me Lies. David and I talked about that.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know what that is.

[Sona Movsesian]

Of course you don't.

[Johnny Knoxville]

How is it?

[Conan O'Brien]

Horny?

[Sona Movsesian]

No, it's. It's horny. There's. There's like sexy people sexing and so I like it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is it full nudity?

[Sona Movsesian]

No. Like, do you see things?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, but just like.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, it is, actually.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's like soft core, kind of.

[Sona Movsesian]

Not soft core. No, not so it's like, with, you know, there's stuff. There's. You could see it, but you can't see it.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You see the occasional. But maybe a half boob.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God, you're getting really into

[Conan O'Brien]

like can you draw what you see? Oh my God. You just draw it for.

[Sona Movsesian]

You can watch it. You're an adult man. If you want to watch it, you can.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sometimes my pries stops by. Avert your gaze, Father McNulty.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

So reality shows.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

What is your. What's your go to reality show? Is, is it Traders or no Big?

[David Hopping]

I would say Big Brother than Traders, which I know Blay watches and Adam,

[Conan O'Brien]

you're a big brother. I've never love Big Brother.

[Adam]

I like Traders too.

[David Hopping]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Here's what I love about Big Brother, which is it's in a house. The idea is it's people who are sequestered in a house and they don't get to see another person, period. Like none of the producers, they see all the camera people are behind one way mirrors and it's watching 18 people slowly lose their mind over the course of a season because the house is very big and it's made for 18 people. But people get voted out every week. So when it gets down like to like six people in a house full of four, 18 people and they haven't talked to anyone else for like months, it is insane.

[Conan O'Brien]

Would you agree with that assessment, Adam?

[Adam]

I would, I also there's something really comforting about it. It's on three nights a week during the summer when like a lot of the big sports are off season.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And it's. It would be considered boring at times. It's people sitting around whispering, like on couches, whispering about strategy. But there's just something kind of passive and enjoyable.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. It's better than talking to your loved ones or reading a really good moving book. No judgment. Yeah.

[Adam]

They also have a thing called Big Brother After Dark and they have all these camera feeds where you could just when they're not on the show, you could just watch unfiltered. And I used to put those on and work out when they were working out in the house. Yeah. Like I had a friend. Cause I live alone.

[Conan O'Brien]

Can I just say, first of all, it's just for voyeurs, I think. And in my day you had to go out and do your own peeping. And I think that's one of the things we've lost in America is you had to go into someone else's yard and you had to hang around near the shrubs and then peek in through their windows and hope that someone was undressing and. But that's the kind of stuff that I thought really was the fiber of this country, the backbone. Yeah. I peeped all through my teens, my twenties, my thirties, I leered, I ogled, I peered occasionally. And those were things that. Those taught me valuable life skills. And now people were just, oh, I don't have to do that. I don't have to even leave my house. I left my house wandering at night to try and find houses that were brightly lit, where people were possibly undressing. Maybe on the first floor, or if it's on the second floor. I had to go up a drainpipe. This is stuff that taught me to be resilient.

[Adam]

You really had to put the work in.

[Conan O'Brien]

I got my arm and hand strength from climbing up the sides of houses. And then policemen would show up and they'd say, hey, we've got a peeper. And then I had to haul ass. I had to scurry down, and I had to run. And that old cherry top would come after her. Wee oo, wee oo, wee oo. And they would say, peeper, peeper, stand still. And I had to run. I had to really run and run and run. And then I'd get home and my mother would say, how'd the peep and go? My mother would say, how'd the. Now, how do we have the peep and go tonight? Oh, no. And I'd say, meh, I got chased by the fuzz. And she'd say, ah, have a fried ham. And so, you know, I'd chow down. And that's just how things were in my mind.

[David Hopping]

So now we can just put on Paramount.

[Conan O'Brien]

Plus, you ever do any peeping there, Eduardo? Back in my day, yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

No. No.

[Conan O'Brien]

Never, never, never.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, don't play along with this.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anyone here want to join me on this? People, you're the only peeper.

[David Hopping]

You're the only peeper.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'd peep to the right, I'd peep to the left. I was really good. I used to not be able to go to the left, but then I learned how.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, good goals.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Anywho, happy for you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm a good peeper. I just love seeing Peeper. Now today's guest co creative.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, God.

[Conan O'Brien]

And stars in the MTV series Jackass. This guy would appreciate my peeping past. I know he would. Now you can see him hosting the Fox series Fear Factor, House of Fear. And he just announced that a fifth Jackass movie is on the way. That's good news. Later this year. We're thrilled he's here. Johnny Knoxville, welcome. I've always been an admirer of yours, and you, you are a have a special place in my heart because in another lifetime. You were on an episode of the late night show that we then decided to turn into Claymation. And so. And it was an episode where I think you were the first guest and you were great. And so it all happens in Claymation later on. And then I think Richard Lewis comes out and starts talking about Shaq's penis.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Just goes off the rails. It was wonderful.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was wonderful. And he goes off the rails. And at one point, I stand. This is in the real show. I stand and I say, walk with me, Johnny. Because he's going on this long. He says he saw Shaq's penis and he's describing it. And I walk with you, and I put my arm around your shoulder, and you and I walk to the fake window and look out at the fake window while Richard Lewis is still talking about Shaq's penis. And then this all happened in Claymation, which made me so happy because I'm like, walk with me, Johnny. And it's not good Claymation.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And David Bowie's there, and I think he was on the couch. I don't know if Richard Lewis starts going off in front of him.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't remember. It's all a blur.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, I. Because that's the first time. It's the first time, I think maybe the only time I met David Bowie. And it was like, this is one of the best nights. Because after we filmed, you're like, wow, that was good.

[Conan O'Brien]

We wanted to do a claymation episode, but we wanted a really great episode that would be visual and funny to see in Claymation. And then that was the episode we decided, oh, it's not gonna get better than that. And then it was so much fun. But there were so many times, the weirdest times I'll, like, be brushing my teeth and I'll hear, walk with me, Johnny. You and I go into the window to look out. So weird. But you've always been. You're always an amazing guest and a true. True to your oeuvre, your work, a real showman. You know, it's just. And so I wanted to start with. I don't do this with every guest. But you have such a fascinating career arc. Do you know what I mean? Just absolutely fascinating.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Why'd you do quotations when you said career, Conan?

[Conan O'Brien]

Son of a. I'm including myself in there, too. No, I've. No one sets out to have a career the way that you have. And it's. I just think there's so much that's brilliant about it. Well, thank you. And then you're so effing likable, you know, and you've. So you ride that all along, too. That is kind of your, I think, your secret sauce. But how does one even begin to become a Johnny Knoxville?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, you don't go to college, that's for sure. And you get on the 10 West.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, step one, if you're listening, don't go to college, then get on the 10 West.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you're.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You're fast. Faster and disaster.

[Adam]

That's.

[Johnny Knoxville]

That's how you do it.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you started making these videos on your own. Right? This is. We're going back to what, in the late 90s?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Johnny Knoxville]

What happened was, honestly, I moved out to Los Angeles to become an actor just two months or maybe a month after high school. Didn't do a lot, you know, Right. For five, six years. And then my then girlfriend got pregnant and I'm like, oh, I have to do something quick because I. That's the most frightened I've ever been because I had a little girl on the way and I'm waiting tables and I'm like, I got to do something quick. So I was living next to Anne Tuan Fuqua in this duplex, and he set me up with this casting agent who got me a commercial agent. And I started writing for magazines and like, my version of participatory journalism, like Hunter S. Thompson, type of. Yeah. I was like, how about if I. My one of my first articles was, how about if I test self defense equipment on myself? I was, I was just. That was my best guess at how to support a family. And it was all out of fear of how to support. How to support a little girl. Honestly, I think you describe that leap

[Conan O'Brien]

as if it's an honest, natural progression, you know, well, a kid's on the way and I better, you know, start to get serious here. It's time to test almost defensive.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Time to shoot myself in the chest while wearing a bulletproof vest. That'll provide security.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. So you start doing it and then you start making videos.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, when the only magazine, like a few magazines around town wanted that article, but none of them, they wanted treated as a negative pickup. Come see us after you're done and then we'll. The only magazine who would help me, like, buy the stun gun, the taser gun. I bought the bulletproof vest with money my mom gave me for Christmas that year, was the editor of Big Brother magazine, Jeff Tremaine, who is now the director of Jackass. And he had a skateboarding magazine owned by Larry Flint that That's. And right before I was writing, I said, how about if I write the article? And Jeff goes, why don't you film it at the same time? And they. For our skate video. I'm like, okay. And that's what happened. And of course, I went to the. He's like, I'll have Dimitri go with you to film it. Who's now the director of photography of Jackass. Right. And I pull up that morning, and I'm like, get in. And he goes, here's the camera. This is play. This is pause. It's got film in it. I'm like, you're not shooting it? He's like, no. Cause there's a gun involved. He didn't want.

[Conan O'Brien]

Didn't want to be there.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Nobody wanted to be there.

[Conan O'Brien]

No one wants to be there. Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

So that's why the camera works so shaky with that.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you start making these things, and then you get a chance to make a show for mtv. And I didn't know this. At the same moment that you have this deal to make a show, and you're about to make the show out of nowhere, you get this offer from Lorne Michaels at Saturday Night Live.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah. And I never heard that nothing was happening in my life, like, two or three months before. You know, I mean, the wonderful things with the family and the kid, but professionally, nothing. And then it's like, I have a TV show. We're about to shoot the pilot for mtv, and then, like you said, Lorne Michaels comes calling, and we go meet at the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel, where Fear and Loathing beat did begin. And it was a lot, you know, because I had no gigs before this. And he's offering me a spot, like five minutes on Saturday Night Live each week.

[Conan O'Brien]

Not to do characters and things like that.

[Johnny Knoxville]

No, to do what I do, like, make a video each week. And it was a. I had to. I really seriously considered it, but I ended up thinking I would go on there. I'm not gonna have any creative control whatsoever. And I'm about to do this other thing with me and my friends, and I'd rather. Where I have all the control, and I'd rather bet on us than enter into that. And would probably. I'd been lucky to be on Saturday Night Live, but I chose that.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I mean, obviously. You sure. You certainly didn't make the wrong move there. And you got to be the master of your own universe by doing Jackass, as opposed to being a small piece of a show where you have very less. Sometimes we're not going to air your piece tonight. It didn't make it. Or, you know, we're going to hold on to that or so. So that was the right thing to do.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, I didn't think so. When the pilot, while we're shooting the pilot, it got shut down and I'm. Oh, man, we're canceled. It's. This is not even making it to the air now.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why was it shut down?

[Johnny Knoxville]

We were filming a bit in West Hollywood at this hardware store which I think is a restaurant now. Laurel Hardware.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's both. You can get hardware and food. Great, great. I have the steak chart and the rake. I'll have the rake as well.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And I walked in, my face was all dirty in a prison orange jumpsuit, and I was handcuffed. And I was trying to get them to help me. Saw the handcuffs all. They cleared out the place. Everyone was scared. And I realized at one point I'm out there on the saw section sawing, and there's no. Not even my cameraman are around like,

[Conan O'Brien]

well, shit, I love that you're. You're doing. You're committing to the bit and there's no camera.

[Johnny Knoxville]

At one point, I'm sawing and it goes right on my wrist. And it was very close to like. So then I heard the cops coming. I'm like, well, I better get outside because that's where the cameras are. And I run outside and right as like three or four carloads of cops are pulling up and the first lady on the scene, she gets out of her car, tells me, get on the ground. And I abide by what she's saying, but she didn't put her car in park. And it runs right into a telephone pole in front of me. And I'm on the ground, you can hear me go, oh, no. Cause now they're mad. MTV couldn't shoot in West Hollywood for over 10 years after that because we didn't have a permit. We didn't know you permitted to shoot these things.

[Conan O'Brien]

You didn't have a permit.

[Johnny Knoxville]

We didn't know what a permit was.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's so fantastic. You know, you are giving credence to this idea that I've had for a long time, which is that if a camera's going, I will do things that I won't do otherwise. And so in a jackass kind of way, I have always. If there's a camera rolling, I'll say, and there's a potential for people to be laughing.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

And for it to be recorded, I will do things that otherwise I'D say, oh, no, I'd rather not. I eat bugs. I mean, we'll talk about Fear Factor, but all the stuff you guys do in Fear Factor, I lose common sense if I think there's a potential that people would see it and laugh. But you're talking about situations where you're invoking, the police are coming, people have guns, and they can very justifiably let you say, a guy in an orange jumpsuit came running out of the hardware store and I discharged my weapon. And then it's like, oh, that's too bad for that guy making a pilot.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, that's what the lady told me afterwards, the female policeman, she goes, if you would have just moved a few inches while you were on the ground, like I was going to get away, I would have just put a bullet in your ear. And I'm like, well, I'm glad I kind of just laid there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And I said, is this the weirdest call you ever had? And they said, no. One time a guy was on PCP at the top of a palm tree buck naked and slid all the way down. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Shit.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Which we tried to convince one of the cast guys to do, but no one was up for it.

[Conan O'Brien]

That is either extremely painful or an erotic thrill. No, no. Okay.

[Johnny Knoxville]

But the laughter thing you're talking about, I don't know how to write to make, like, wow, what would America think? Funny. That would make me freeze. And. But so with Jackass, if I only know how to make my friends laugh, and if they're laughing, probably we're good. But if they're not laughing, we're probably shooting again.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

So that it's, you know, and it's a huge sensation. And then Jackass, the movie, I remembered seeing that and just being. Cause I remember thinking, how do they do this now? Cause, you know, the TV show has so many sort of iconic moments. How do you do a movie? And I thought you guys made great decisions when you made that movie.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, and I don't know what. Because you upped the ante a little bit, but you also have, like, production and. You know what I mean? It's not just the show. It's sort of on steroids and more presentational. I don't. What was the thinking behind the movie?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, the thinking behind the movie was we did. They called it three seasons of Jackass, but it was 24 episodes and over a series of nine, 10 months. And we had, unfortunately, a couple of copycat incidences. And it was an election year, and Joseph Lieberman came down on Hollywood. That was his big platform. And me personally in MTV because of that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

So it became impossible to do Jackass. Right. We had all these safety OSHA guys on the set. You can't jump off anything more than four feet. And. And I felt like, this doesn't feel right. What we do is really silly. Right. But it. It means something to me. So I'm like, I think this is the end. And so I gave an interview to my hometown newspaper and said, I quit.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And everyone was kind of surprised because I just. Just went rogue. So there was a lot of heat back and forth. MTV was upset because I was under contract. Yada, yada, yada. A lot of back and forth. Finally, idea for a movie was floated, and Jeff and Spike came to me and said, well, how about if we just do a movie instead? I'm like, like, the idiot I am. I'm like, like, who's gonna play us? And they're like, no, no, you idiot.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Is it a love.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is it a love story?

[Johnny Knoxville]

A naughty version of the TV show. I'm like, okay, got it. You know, so that I was a little confused, as I often am, but

[Conan O'Brien]

I felt like there was a time when south park made a movie and I thought, well, this traditionally when TV shows make a movie, for many years it was the rule that it's a bad idea. You know what I mean? Justin and Kelly, okay, Almost always a bad idea.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's the first one that popped into your head.

[Conan O'Brien]

Justin Guarini was just here.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I'm not the butcher sky to come along the block.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, anyway, great poll, by the way. But you know, I remember like south park made a movie and it turned out like, oh, yes, excellent. And then you guys made a movie and it felt like this time when people were making the right call and it was actually translating. Oh, thank you. I'm curious. You know, I think about. There was whatever 30 years or 28 years there where I was doing a show and always saying yes to things. Cause I thought it would be funny. And I got tossed by a water buffalo once and fell onto, up into the air and fell onto hard concrete and it wow. I jumped on a water buffalo when that was not what I was supposed to do. And all my common sense went away. And I think about that all the time now. I'm thinking about your life where you have a montage playing in your head of things you did where probably halfway through you thought, this is a terrible idea, but I'm gonna do it anyway. Way.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, it's like, this is a terrible idea. I'm so glad I'm doing it. We're about to get footage and by the way, I've always wanted to get hit by a water buffalo. So I'm envious. I'm sitting there like, oh,

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm, I'm glad that you look up to me that way. So are there things that stand out to you now that you are this silver haired, wise, you know, patrician? Are there things that stand out to you now where you go like, oh my God, that was a terrible idea.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I, I don't know.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you have any regrets at all? Like, I wish I hadn't done that one.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, yeah, I mean, we, we're, we've been going back, looking through some old bits and you're like, oh, that, that. But not like anything for my physical safety, just because, you know, they all can't be hits. So then, then I'm like, oh man, we just. Even watching the, the first movie, it's, it's almost first Jackass movie. It's so tame into what it became and which. But I don't regret any of that. It's just what it was. And, like, watching myself do pranks and. And I just. I watch it and just go, why did I do that? Course of action? Why couldn't I have pivoted into the.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, we all do that.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I just like to beat myself up a little.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, we all do that. We all look at past work we've done and have regrets. But for you, it might be, why did I light myself on fire?

[Johnny Knoxville]

I mean, the tube is out of the tube Conan. I can't do anything about it now, so I'm all right with everything.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's good. Are you in pain? Do you walk around in constant pain?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Sometimes, But I'm not. It's not even a joke. I'm not really in touch with my body, so I can just kind of deal with whatever. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's funny you say that, because my least favorite question is, if I go to a doctor or something and they say, now, how does it feel? And I go, I don't know. I just want to get to the grave, you know? Like, I hate when they're telling me, you know, or whatever, you get a massage, and they're like, now, how does this feel? I'm like, I don't know. Leave me alone. I'm trying to get through life. You know what I mean? I have that kind of feeling. And so when you said that, I was electrified.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like I just. I don't know. I did this to myself. So what am I gonna do?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I'm not gonna complain to anyone. It's just. That's what it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, that's true. I hadn't thought of that. Most people that walk around like, oh, man, my hip. What happened? Oh, you know, just all those years of working at the plant, and for you it's. Well, I strapped myself to a rocket and had it fired into a concrete wall. You know, like Wile E. Coyote.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it's hard to be like, oh, man, that's tough.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah. What happened? I know exactly what happened.

[Conan O'Brien]

We have footage. We have six cameras.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I can it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible. It's so interesting to me, too, that you've referenced Hunter S. Thompson a couple of times. Someone I had the honor of getting to interview, I think, twice. And your interest early on in writing. Do you know what I mean? Those are things that I feel very connected to. And Hunter S. Thompson was someone who put his entire. Himself and his body and his sanity, he poured it all into his work. And it's fascinating to me that in a way, you are in that vein. Do you know what I mean? You're saying, okay, here's my body and I'm gonna put all of it into what I do, and it's gonna go through this grinder, but that is my work.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, that was my best guess, you know, honestly. And I love Hunter. You know, I, like, two books, kind of change my life early on. Like on the Road by Jack Garrett. We're in a bar with my cousin and he hands me the book. And I just. I didn't know people lived like that. And it was. You know, I'm a small town in Tennessee. Everyone lives there, stays there.

[David Hopping]

And.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And then I read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas when I was 19 and. And I felt like I didn't know anyone could write like this and be so free. And after that, I was useless, you know, it's like my path was set, I guess.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's so funny. Those are time in your life. I think I had just moved out to LA22, and I'm just only reading, you know, Fear and Loathing books. And it just spoke to me. Not that I, in my life matched that in any way, but it takes you over in a way that, you know, at my age now, I don't know that it would. I'd like it, but it wouldn't. It wouldn't inhabit me the same way.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And like, in actuality, if you're living like that, or your friends living like that, it's so fucking exhausting to be around. You know, I've had some friends who just. I mean, Steve O, he was off the rails, just doing the worst drugs you can get your hands on. Pcp. Those nitrous canisters, there would be. It would be a sea of nitrous canisters at his feet. And it was exhausting. I mean, he'll tell you it was exhausting, but I mean, now he's like, he's doing great. He's been sober for well over. We put him away in 2008, so 17 years or so.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's incredible. Good for him.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah. So, I mean, and people ask me, well, would you say something about bravery? I'm like, that's bravery. Like, he has to face that dragon every morning. And he does, and he's doing great. And I'm really proud of him.

[Conan O'Brien]

It is the most impressive thing I see people do is. And it's just amazing that you can Give yourself another chapter like that where it's like, Steve O. Can I get you anything?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Maybe.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you have hibiscus tea?

[Johnny Knoxville]

It takes you four seconds to stand in front of a bull.

[Adam]

But he's.

[Johnny Knoxville]

He has to do something like this every year. Face bulls all day long.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah. Do you ever get. When you're with all those guys and you guys together, are together. Do you ever have the thing of guys. Keep it down. You know? You know, it's. It's. It. You know what I mean? We're not that anymore. Keep it down. I. I don't want to make too much noise tonight or I gotta get to bed. It's 9:15.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I don't even. I wouldn't even know how to go about trying to quiet them down. You know, it's just.

[Conan O'Brien]

You can try tranquilizer.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah. I think everyone becomes worse in those situations if someone tries to.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, I don't think I ever do that. Well, here we go. When the cameras are off, especially early on, it was way worse than when the cameras are on.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is that true?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, it was, yeah. Very. They're very excitable.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's like you're talking about gremlins or don't get them wet, you know?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, don't get them wet with whiskey. Cause they're very excitable.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's funny you brought up. Safety coordinators are people that are there to make sure that everyone's behaving properly. Yeah. The times that I've been on a set where I had to do the most tame thing, literally the most tame thing, like go through the ceiling of the show, the office, and land on a desk that's just like three feet below me on Dwight Schrute's desk. And just. It's just like a little drop down at the time I'm doing it. I'm 40 and I'm just throwing myself around all the time because I'm a big kid and someone's there like, let's talk. This is. Let's walk through this. Now we're going to hold your body in six different places and slowly. Yeah, You gotta buy me dinner first. And then they're gonna. Slowly. And then we've made the desk out of a special foam. And I'm like, guys, I grew up in a big family and all we did was toss each other off of staircases. And that is my way of. You know, most times I have a comedy idea, the first thing I want to do is pretend to punch somebody. And then I'm thrown through a Glass window. I like that kind of stuff. It's fun. And I think I am not body aware in the way that I'm going to do something still at some point because I just think I'm having fun and I'm being funny and I'm goofing around and I'm gonna Forget that I'm 85 years old.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Are you guys picking. Are you auditioning for the new Jackass movie?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I have to say I am.

[Johnny Knoxville]

My name's Conan o'.

[Conan O'Brien]

Brien. You know what? I would, I would do it, but

[Johnny Knoxville]

it's just him falling out of bed.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I think I would do it.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

A big stunt for me is behaving myself in a crowded theater. No, I, I swear to God, there is a wish fulfillment with me. That's why I'm. I get so excited and I used to. I'm obviously a big fan of yours and the stuff that you guys were doing and there was. There's always been part of me. It's funny to me. It's the yin and the yang. I am very cerebral and cautious and all of those things. And then there's the flip side of it where I kind of like it, where I'm not in control. It's a relief from the other guy.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm cautious with my kids. Right. I'm like, oh, but that's so funny. I was never. I was like a. Hell, I'm a total helicopter parent when they were little. Like, I'm the guy underneath the.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's hilarious.

[Johnny Knoxville]

The monkey bars, trying to like make sure they don't fall.

[Conan O'Brien]

Just you lecturing at 19 year olds. Now listen, I want you to have your head. Heads trapped on right tonight and you have like a. You have an andiron sticking through your skull.

[Johnny Knoxville]

A bicycle?

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you kidding me? A bicycle? No way. You're gonna wear seven helmets. I love all of that. That's fantastic.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I know.

[Sona Movsesian]

I do too.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I wanna tell you, we had. They let me watch the new Fear Factor. They gave us a link to it and I was really enjoying it. And I have to say, getting you as the host was a stroke of genius on somebody's part.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes, I'm very happy. I had a lot of fun, but I mean, it's not too much of a pivot from what Jackass was. Except I can't go at these people like I do my.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're dealing with civilians here.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

And these people have pride, a sense of self esteem. They want to live in society. They can use Tools to make other tools. They hunt and gather, walk on their hind legs. They wish to procreate. Yeah. So they. No, it's fun because I also love that you get to be around it. And it's really fun that they're doing all of this stuff and you're there wearing one of these fantastic polo sweaters.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, thank you. My wife was my costumer, Emily, so thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

But you're always there, like, ah, enjoy. And you become the Ricardo Montalban on Fantasy Island. You know, it's like, you don't have to break a sweat. And you're like, all of you get into the giant meat grinder and you're there. You know what I mean?

[David Hopping]

You've earned it.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it feels like you've really earned the right to be that guy.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Guy. Yeah, it's fun. Like, you know, I. When people display fear in an entertaining manner, I'm. I'm here for it. And I thought I was going. I first got the gig. I'm like, oh, man, I'm really going to make their life hell. And I got excited, and that's never good. But then as I got closer, I'm like, well, these kind. These are.

[Conan O'Brien]

These.

[Johnny Knoxville]

They're different, you know, and there's money at stake and they're trying. These people actually do have phobias.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep.

[Johnny Knoxville]

So I was like, maybe I'm. I just felt more natural to kind of help them through it.

[Sona Movsesian]

Right.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Which gave them hell. But mostly I liked. I enjoyed both things.

[Conan O'Brien]

It sounds to me like you've started to develop empathy. I did.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I even teared up a couple of times in the show. It's like. Cause you see these reality shows and people who are the cry. I'm like, everyone's fine. What are you crying about? You just met this person.

[Conan O'Brien]

I can't feel my legs.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And you're crying days ago. But then a few people left the show. I'm like, I don't know, I. I spent too much time around my mother. I'm.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's very nice. Well, I'm curious if. Do you ever get asked to, like, come back and speak at your high school or something? And it's. You know what I mean? Because it's a strange thing to get because you've been extremely successful and iconic, and now we'd like you to speak to these young people.

[Producer/Announcer]

Like an anti valedictorian.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, exactly. Do as I did. Here's what I find.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Cautionary tales through college.

[Conan O'Brien]

Don't go to college. Fire a nail gun into your anus.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Hey, that's not half bad.

[Adam]

That's good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I could be a writer. If you guys won't let me me be in the new Jackass movie, I will be a writer. Has anyone ever fired hot lava into their urethra? Lava from Mount Aetna. You guys are like Conan. No, it wouldn't work. It would evaporate the tissue around it. Okay, I'll keep working on it.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I come in with really giant glasses. I'll keep working.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Conan. I'm just spitballing here, but no, I have never been invited to speak before.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love that.

[Johnny Knoxville]

High school, college or.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You know, and I don't blame them.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no. Well, I think you'd be a great. They should. They should. They're missing out on a great speech. So I also was telling you I'm obsessed with the new Fear Factor house because there's reality shows always take place in a house. It's always a similar looking house. I don't care. This house is a house that's absolutely stunning. And it looks like the richest man in the world lives there and he's got taste. It's like, beautiful. This house is. Where is it?

[Johnny Knoxville]

It's in West Vancouver. It is a beautiful place.

[Conan O'Brien]

They have all these shots of it and I just keep thinking about, I want to be on the show as a contestant because I really want to try this lava thing.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You can't do that on your own.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know and trust me, I have. Is getting the lava hot. Um, it's a problem. But I also, I just. I love that house.

[Producer/Announcer]

Well, they do celebrity Jeopardy. What about some celebrity Fear Factor at some point, you know?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, I love that.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Dame Judi Dench getting shot out of a cannon.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And you know, I, I was trying to convince the. The show traders. I'm like, we should have a jackass traitors. Because all the things that you need to possess to be good in that show, none of us have. And we'll be physically attacking each other. We can be pranking.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love that that you go into a show where there's strategy and psychology, but you just start firing nail guns.

[Johnny Knoxville]

No one's gonna wanna walk down to breakfast and open the door. You know, you don't want. No one's gonna wanna touch the door handle.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's the Alan Cumming watching. Alan Cumming say murder is the whole. I watched that show just for. His costumes are fantastic.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then. But no, you Fear Factor coming into other shows and I think, you know, like Password, you know, just, just like it?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

No jeopardy.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, just shows where it's very intelligent. Shows where people have to kind of use their. Their streets, their knowledge. But you guys are just smashing everything.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You could really amp it up for the celebrity fear factor too, because these people know what they're getting into and they're in the business. So just hand me a pen and a piece of paper and. Yeah, I can. That would be fun. Just writing bits.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, I will. I'll produce this with you.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes, yes. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'll take very little money. And by very little, I mean 80%.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

That'll be. My biggest stunt, is doing a Fear factor show with you and getting most of the money. That'll be a pain unlike anything you've ever felt before.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, that may come at a price. No, I don't target. I can only target the jackass guys.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's a trust, obviously. There's such a trust and there's real friendship there.

[Johnny Knoxville]

I've had.

[David Hopping]

I've.

[Johnny Knoxville]

In a couple times, I've targeted a friend that was not part of. A civilian will say. And it just hurt his feelings. And I'm like, I'm never going to do that again.

[Conan O'Brien]

Isn't that the worst?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, yeah, that was.

[Conan O'Brien]

It is interesting you bring that up because they always say it's always, you know, it's funny until someone gets hurt. And I always think it's actually when someone's feelings get hurt. Yeah. I just. The bottom falls out for me, unless the person is pure evil and deserves to have a hurt feeling. But other than that, the times I've done. Anytime I've done something and it got back to me, oh, no. Someone heard that joke and they were sad. I'm like, oh, man, that's the worst.

[Johnny Knoxville]

It sucks the air out of the room. And then you feel. I just like I'm a monster. And it was. I was doing things that. Not even like one tenth of what I do to the guys, but still, I was like, okay, I'm not going to. To target anyone else. Just I can, you know, save it for my fellas. And now. Rachel Wolfson.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. When is the next movie coming out?

[Johnny Knoxville]

June 26th.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Yeah. And are you doing any stunts in the new one or do they cut to a dummy?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, I mean, they always cut to a dummy. I can do stunts. I just can't do anything where I get another concussion because I. I've.

[Conan O'Brien]

How many have you had?

[Johnny Knoxville]

16.

[Conan O'Brien]

So do you know who I am right now?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yes, Andy. I don't care about a broken Arm or ankle, but it just. I can't have any more concussions. Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think that's a wise course of action.

[Johnny Knoxville]

And I feel like I did my thing. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. So that's good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I mean, if I saw you in the shower, I wouldn't be horrified. There's nothing.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Well, I think you probably would be.

[Conan O'Brien]

My God,

[Johnny Knoxville]

I didn't know it could be so small.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's just like a big piece of torso missing and you don't even notice it any. You keep like little knickknacks in there. You keep Hummel figurines and a little alarm clock in there.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Pull my arm off to get my back.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey, Conan. Hey, thanks a lot. Hey, this thing's great.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Great.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love it. So what is your now commitment to the Fear Factor show? You just. You're waiting to see?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah, I guess it comes out tomorrow. 14th. Yeah, the new year.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's really fun.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Thank you. And yeah, I'm hoping I had so much fun. I'm hoping they pick it up so it seemed to do good on the sneak preview on Sunday.

[Conan O'Brien]

The only thing that there's a lot of stuff that doesn't that I don't worry about. But insects creep me out, you know, And I don't think I have a phobia about it, but I just always. A hairy spider to me is like the worst thing in the world. Like a tarantula, an arachnid that has hair creeps me out. And the idea of. But then again, if I was on camera and there was a studio audience there and people were laughing and I knew they'd really laugh if I went for it. I'd pick one up and start licking it as it stung my tongue and filled me with a heart paralyzing venom. And I'd look to Cameron and go, daddy likes his gum, gum juice. And then I would die.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You know, the thing about those hairy spiders is the hair gets in your eyes and it feels like asbestos.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think you're talking from experience.

[Johnny Knoxville]

No, you just can't get it and it just itches. It can't get. Can't get it off of you.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's funny. I can bring up anything to you and you're like, here's the thing about a rhino horn in your ass that you don't know is there's a. The horn is kind of waxy and then you can't get the wax out of your ass. Like anything I bring up, you're gonna go, you know, it's funny.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Bull's horns are very dirty, and that's when people get gored. Before penicillin, that was kind of it for them, but now they have penicillin, you can get. Get gourd pretty much all you want.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you ever. What?

[Johnny Knoxville]

There's one matador, I don't. I can't remember his name. He's been gored like 63 times.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's crazy when he gets a drink at a bar. All the oldest bit in the world, but I love it. I'm fine. Gl.

[Johnny Knoxville]

He's my favorite matador, hands down.

[Conan O'Brien]

But, you know, it's funny. I think of a. A germaphobic matador as a really funny idea. He's like, he's. He doesn't mind getting gored, but he keeps trying to use a wet wipe on the horn. His cape is a big wet wipe. Yeah, it's like. It's kind of less cool. Diego, I don't care.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You gotta wipe the bull's horns and hoofs before he gets in the ring with them.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, this has been a blast. It's been really fun. Thank you. And I really enjoy you on the new Fear Factor. And I just love talking to you.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

You are just an infinitely charming fellow. And congrats on the new movie coming out and that you're thriving. It's just really. And that you're. Well, you're happy you're here, you're able to move about.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

After I finished the last Jackass, I was just.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was so happy.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Like, I'm still walking and I'm good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

So. But thank you. You've always been so kind to.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. You kidding? I just, I. I'm a big fan. And thanks so much for doing it. I really appreciate it.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, one last. You were talking about all these safety guys. When you're shooting something, you got to get really shady safety guys. Our safety guys are the shadiest. Just a little tip before I go.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's no union.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Oh, no. But like our. Our alligator expert, Manny, who dives in swamps at night with the miner's light and pulls alligators up from the bottom. Jesus, he's a wonderful man. He is Tarzan. But he's our safety guy when we work with alligators. And so, you know, you filmed those safety meetings before, and they're like, okay, Manny, tell us what. What's the plan here? He goes, well, Steve O. Will be in there with an alligator, and if the alligator bites him, hopefully he will let go

[Conan O'Brien]

all Right, let's shoot. So that's good.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You need a very shady safety guy who probably wasn't a safety guy a month ago.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You need a pretty good safety guy.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yep.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

You guys will not stop high fiving each other and cracking open Miller Lights.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And normally now I'd say Matt Gorley, but he is out on maternity leave. Paternity.

[Sona Movsesian]

He's a guy. He's a man.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't. I'm gonna stick with what I said.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, you're gonna. You're gonna double down on it?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. He's on maternity leave.

[Sona Movsesian]

Trust me.

[Conan O'Brien]

He got his knickers in a twist. He's out. He had a beautiful baby girl, Nell, and very happy for him. Filling in for him is David Hopping. Now, this is a rare occasion where both of my assistants are sitting here with me. You've got Sona, assistant since 2009. Yeah. And David Hopping. When did you really take over as my full time assistant?

[David Hopping]

2021.

[Sona Movsesian]

2021.

[David Hopping]

When I was boys.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, that's right. Okay, so you've both assisted me and I thought this is a great time to ask you guys some pretty blunt questions. Oh, and you have to be honest. No, seriously, you have to be honest. Okay.

[Sona Movsesian]

You mean we don't have to try to protect your feelings? No, because we try that all the time.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no. I think this was a good chance to know more about me. Not in the least bit defensive. I'm an open book.

[Sona Movsesian]

This is gonna be fun.

[David Hopping]

Like a 30 minute segment.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm curious, Stona, what was your least favorite thing to do for me?

[Sona Movsesian]

Whoa, the least favorite?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, the thing that when I asked you to do it, you really can apologize.

[Sona Movsesian]

Is that one. Can I say apologize, meaning when you. When I messed up and you were just like. Can you just feel bad about not

[Conan O'Brien]

doing something because you wouldn't do it?

[Sona Movsesian]

I know that's your thing, but no, I think.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, wait, well, say you. You screwed something up, which didn't happen a lot. I mean, it did.

[Sona Movsesian]

We make jokes, but got things done.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, you got things done.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

But when things would go terribly wrong and I would say, oh, come on, Sona. You'd say, yep, that happened. And you would just plow ahead. All right. And so I would. Sometimes I'm just being honest. I would try to get you to apologize or say you feel badly about it, and you wouldn't.

[Sona Movsesian]

I know, I know. Okay, here's. You know what?

[Conan O'Brien]

So that's. That's a good answer.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay, so. But also, I'm trying to think of things I did regularly that I was just like every time you would ask me to do, I'd be like, oh, God. And you know what? Honestly, I can't think of anything where I might need some time with it.

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[Conan O'Brien]

You liked shaving my back. Oh, God. You enjoyed that? Oh, God. Cuz I didn't think you would put that out there.

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't want people to think that was going to hap. Whatever happened.

[Conan O'Brien]

You had the longest shaver in the world. She was on the end of a pole, like back. Oh, yeah. She would be maybe 35 yards away from me.

[David Hopping]

Those gripper things.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was horribly cut up.

[Adam]

Up.

[Conan O'Brien]

Whenever you would do that. Cuz you were often on your phone while you were doing it.

[Sona Movsesian]

I know. I think that you. You're not a very high maintenance person.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't think so.

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't think you're high maintenance.

[Conan O'Brien]

But now we switch it over to David. What do you not like to do for me? Or it's kind of a drag. Be honest.

[David Hopping]

I mean, let's see, where do I start?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, where do I start? You know what?

[Adam]

I.

[Sona Movsesian]

Sorry, I just remembered I don't know if you have this too. There's times when there's something you ask us to do that we. I think we know you can just do on your own.

[David Hopping]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

And then I lived in Pasadena and you'd be like, can you just come to my house at nine in the morning to help me with this thing? And I'd be like, you know how to do that?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

But now I'm in traffic for like an hour and a half.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was usually, how do I read my email?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Uh huh.

[David Hopping]

Or how do I get into Netflix? You can never get into Netflix now.

[Conan O'Brien]

In my defense, in my defense, it's very hard to get onto Netflix. Yeah. I mean next to impossible. You have to be a brain surgeon.

[David Hopping]

Although I do want to say I think I got hired because of things Sona didn't want to do. Like running the errands and things is why I even.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's true. That's true.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's actually my various creams and balms, ointments and salves.

[David Hopping]

Many creams and bombs.

[Adam]

And bombs.

[Conan O'Brien]

Salves, yeah. Emollients.

[David Hopping]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Gels. Yeah.

[David Hopping]

So I'm grateful for that.

[Sona Movsesian]

I know. And it was job security.

[David Hopping]

Like, you know, when do I think I get one?

[Sona Movsesian]

An assistant.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh my God. When you have an assistant. That is the end.

[David Hopping]

Nationwide search.

[Conan O'Brien]

That is the end of days. I think. Yes. The tech stuff. I'm constantly. I don't belong. I should not be living in this century. It's like I'm an 18th or 19th century man. I think I would have been uncomfortable in the 19th century. Cause they'd be like, hey, can you pull that crank and make that steam powered thing work? I cannot do it.

[David Hopping]

We don't have to drive to you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Tis witchcraft. Talk to my assistant into Pasadena. Pasadena. No one lives there that's not inhabited yet.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh my gosh.

[Conan O'Brien]

Look, in my defense, I abhor technology. I just. And so yes, I think that's probably the worst. Is When I call you up and say, I don't know how to take a picture with my phone and then send it to someone, it's not that

[Sona Movsesian]

bad, which you've done a million. But sometimes you're in your head so much about something you have to do that you do forget very basic things.

[Conan O'Brien]

This. This is something that Sona was really on top of. She would always say I'd call her up. And I don't think, to be fair, I don't think I would make you drive from Pasadena to my house.

[Sona Movsesian]

You didn't do it often. No, but there were times when, you know, I would. I'd have to be there, and it's my job.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, when I was making a sandwich, if the bread goes on top.

[Sona Movsesian]

You forgot how a sandwich works.

[David Hopping]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I needed you to be here to show me, so I was like, get here fast.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, yeah. And also, I liked going to your house. It's fun there.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's pretty nice. Yeah, it is. All those portraits of me, the statues in the yard.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I love seeing that stuff.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Me on horseback, naked. Oh, God, Poor Liza. They shaved the back of my statue. So. And you know. You know what's so crazy is that I would call you Sona and I would say, I can't do this. And he would say, yes, you can. You have a phobia about it. Yeah, but it's very intuitive. And you would coach me and I would realize that I am very tech phobic and I will think, I can't do this. This isn't something I could ever figure out in a million years. And because of you, I do try a lot. Now, before I call anybody, I try to see if I could figure it out. And then when blue foam starts coming out of my device, I know it's time to get David on the H.

[David Hopping]

He learned how to put things in his calendar on his own.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, hey, you're doing it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, good job, Buz.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's like we're talking about a one legged turtle. That one legged turtle.

[Sona Movsesian]

He learned how to make a poopy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Good for you, Mr. Gibbles. I'll take it. All right, this is a serious question.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Would you.

[Conan O'Brien]

If my life was in danger, would you put yourself between me and the danger? So, you know what?

[Sona Movsesian]

Like, would I sacrifice myself for you?

[Johnny Knoxville]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Would you sacrifice your life for mine?

[Sona Movsesian]

I probably would have before I had kids. Now I won't now, but I. I honestly.

[Conan O'Brien]

They were fired. Oh, no, but I mean, I was gonna say that's crazy.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, no, but you shouldn't even.

[Conan O'Brien]

What do you mean? Before I had kids.

[Sona Movsesian]

I know. I'm not. I'm not like Secret Service. I'm gonna jump in front of a bullet for you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

But I think that I would have. I think that the. And I don't know if you feel this, too. The need to protect you and make sure you are good is more so within the two of us than it is in a lot of people.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. And I give you a lot of credit for that. Because all joking aside, there were times when I was on tour in 2010, I remember. I think I was in Eugene, Oregon, and we did a show. And afterwards I said, hey, everybody, meet me at this. Like there was a sculpture or something of a big red wagon.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I said, everybody, meet me there. And I really went there because I wanted it to be kind of like an Andy Kaufman happening. And there was a huge crowd there and you were with me, but then it was just so many people. You're sucked into this crowd, sucked into this massive crowd. And then I saw you later back at the hotel, and you were freaked out and you were mad at me. You were like, I didn't know how to protect you. And I said, you don't. That's not your job in those situations. I know. That's my job. Job in those situations. That's true. But you're very. Yeah. You've always. Look, all joking aside, I love you, and you've always been. You're. You take really good care of me.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

David, not so much.

[David Hopping]

Ah, there it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Here we go.

[David Hopping]

We were in New York and you cut your head open.

[Conan O'Brien]

Excuse me. Are you filing? What are you doing back?

[Adam]

I'm sorry.

[Conan O'Brien]

If I could. What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you doing?

[Adam]

I'm getting all the. I'm getting all the ads ready for.

[Conan O'Brien]

Can you not do that right now?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm sorry. Okay. I keep trying to remove paper from people. Goerli was doing it the other day. And now you are. I think you're putting your thesis together. I didn't realize you were at Princeton. I should have done this outside. Would you drop it on the floor right now? Drop it. God damn.

[Adam]

Sorry about that.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm looking. I'm trying to talk to you guys and he's over here.

[David Hopping]

He's not going to jump in front

[Conan O'Brien]

of a bullet for you, I guess. What? I wish you would because I'm hiring that guy now.

[Sona Movsesian]

He's the one who's gonna shoot you. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want you to shoot me and jump in front of that bullet and all your papers will go flying. I'm on it. Okay, here we go. David. Go ahead.

[David Hopping]

I was gonna say we were in New York like one or two trips ago, and you. I get a text from Liza that you cut your head open and I ran to a CVS and got you all the medicine, all the band aids.

[Johnny Knoxville]

You did and you did.

[David Hopping]

So that's. I don't know where I've. I know what I did.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I walked into like a low hanging lamp. Because I'm a freak.

[David Hopping]

Yeah. It's not meant for people of your height.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, they, like, hung a lamp and they thought, don't worry, 99.9% of the people won't hit this lamp with the rusty corner. Yeah, I slammed into it and there was blood shooting everywhere.

[David Hopping]

It was like, bruised.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. But you did go get a bunch of poultices.

[David Hopping]

I got everything.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cvs, various treatments, herbs, remedies. It was. But would you. Let's say the moment comes down to it and it's my life or yours. Would you make the ultimate sacrifice?

[Sona Movsesian]

This is a crazy question.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what?

[Sona Movsesian]

Huh?

[Conan O'Brien]

This should have been in the interview. Would you.

[David Hopping]

I think that we really won't know until it happens.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay. Yeah. That's a good.

[David Hopping]

It'll be a game time decision.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You just gave me your answer. What cafe are both of you working at tonight?

[Sona Movsesian]

You know what? I think one the of we do need to stay behind to let Liza know you died.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. This is so dark. But you're right.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, you're right.

[Sona Movsesian]

You know how she.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you know what? You'll both be chomping on sandwiches when you call her anyway. Yeah, he didn't make it, but it's really bad. No, no, no, no. I want hummus on the side.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hummus. Hummus. I said it correctly.

[Sona Movsesian]

But why? Why is it always hummus?

[Conan O'Brien]

You eat a lot of hummus.

[Sona Movsesian]

I do like. I do like it.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, sometimes you don't even have hummus, but you have it in your pocke. You have hummus on you at all times.

[Sona Movsesian]

I wish. I really wish. I wish. It was like a bowl and I was just dipping pita chips in it all the time.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen, you guys are both fantastic. I will say that. I'll deny it. I'm glad this isn't being recorded. Oh, you're both fantastic. Oh, why are we recording these? And let's get back to blaze. Shuffling papers noisily off camera so that my ads are in the right order when I read them 20 minutes after we end this recording. Incredible. Thanks both of you. Godspeed.

[Producer/Announcer]

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