Kesha

Summary

Podcast Summary: Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend – Episode Featuring Kesha

Introduction

In this vibrant and heartfelt episode of Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend, Conan reconnects with pop sensation Kesha, delving deep into her personal journey, creative endeavors, and philosophical musings. Released on July 14, 2025, this episode offers listeners an intimate glimpse into Kesha's transformation and her quest for authenticity in the music industry.

Reconnecting and Personal Updates

The episode begins with Conan expressing his long-standing desire to form genuine friendships with his guests. Reflecting on his prolific podcasting career, Conan shares, “So far, how many of these shows have we done?” [02:18]. Kesha humorously replies, underscoring the rarity of such meaningful connections.

Conan’s co-hosts, Sona Movsesian and Matt Gourley, also chime in, adding layers to the camaraderie. Among light-hearted exchanges, Sona shares a recent mishap, slipping down the stairs and injuring her tailbone [03:08]. This moment sets a tone of vulnerability and genuine friendship that permeates the conversation.

Kesha’s Journey to Authenticity

Kesha opens up about her transformation from a mainstream pop star to an independent artist reclaiming her narrative. She states, “I stopped myself from saying bitch” [32:35], highlighting her evolution towards owning her voice and identity. Conan acknowledges her struggle, remarking, “The album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've owned the rights to your voice” [38:07]. Kesha confirms, “It’s the first time I’ve had the legal rights to my recorded voice since I was 18 years old” [38:07].

Delving deeper, Kesha discusses her decade-long legal battle to regain control over her music and voice rights. She poignantly shares, “It was like your soul is, like, on paper, owned by someone else... It was really, really hard” [40:33]. This revelation emphasizes the personal and professional challenges she faced, making her triumph even more inspiring.

Creative Process and Songwriting

Kesha elaborates on her prolific songwriting process, revealing she writes around 200 songs for each album. “I write many. This week, I’ve probably written, like nine songs. It’s insane. Most of them are bad” [16:01]. Conan draws parallels to renowned songwriting duos, underscoring the importance of perseverance and creativity.

She further explains, “Authenticity is the highest vibration you can vibrate at. Like, true authenticity... Everyone is a true original” [35:19]. This philosophy not only drives her music but also her approach to life and artistry.

Spirituality and Personal Beliefs

A significant portion of the conversation delves into spirituality and Kesha’s belief in reincarnation. She shares her experiences at Esalen, a renowned retreat center, where a “medicine woman” declared, “it’s your last lifetime” [18:34]. This revelation shapes her current outlook, driving her to embrace authenticity and live fully in this lifetime.

Conan humorously probes her beliefs, “Cause I’m Pisces, and Pisces means you’re saying you’ve had other lifetimes” [18:18]. Kesha responds with a blend of seriousness and wit, maintaining the episode’s engaging balance between depth and levity.

Tour and New Album Release

Kesha announces her new independently produced album, Period, marking a significant milestone in her career. She proudly states, “I am proud of me” [13:57], reflecting her newfound autonomy. Conan enthusiastically supports her, “Your first independent album, period. This is under your own label, Kesha Records” [58:30].

Additionally, Kesha introduces her upcoming "Tits Out Tour," infusing humor and boldness into the conversation. “Bring them out, baby” [13:20], she encourages, illustrating her unapologetic and fearless persona.

Humorous Interlude: The Bathroom Incident

Midway through the episode, an unexpected and humorous incident occurs when Matt Gourley accidentally walks into Kesha’s bathroom [63:06]. This lighthearted moment adds to the authentic and unscripted nature of the podcast, showcasing the genuine interactions between Conan’s team.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Kesha reflects on her journey from feeling forgotten and legally constrained to reclaiming her voice and thriving creatively. “I feel like I’m living in hypercolor. I feel like I’m also healing in front of the world at the same time” [54:26]. Conan expresses his admiration and support, emphasizing the importance of friendship and genuine connections.

Notable Quotes

• Kesha: “Hi, my name is Kesha, and I feel cunty about being Conan o' Brien's friend.” [01:40]
• Conan: “The album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've owned the rights to your voice.” [38:07]
• Kesha: “I stopped myself from saying bitch.” [32:35]
• Kesha: “Authenticity is the highest vibration you can vibrate at. Like, true authenticity... Everyone is a true original.” [35:19]
• Kesha: “It’s my last lifetime. So it’s the finale.” [18:43]
• Matt Gourley: “I had to pee and I went to the bathroom, and I opened the door. It wasn't locked, and Kesha was peeing in the bathroom.” [63:06]

Final Remarks

This episode stands out as a testament to Kesha’s resilience and Conan’s dedication to fostering genuine friendships. Through laughter, heartfelt moments, and candid discussions, both hosts and Kesha navigate the complexities of fame, creativity, and personal growth. Listeners are left inspired by Kesha’s journey toward authenticity and empowered to embrace their true selves.

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Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, like a Conan bit. Sonic takes the pickle too far with their big dill meal. I don't know what they're saying. What are they saying here? That's an insult to me. I don't take things too far.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sonic, I've got a beef with you. And a very delicious beef. First you get the Smasher topped with Grillo's pickles. Then there's pickle seasoned tots. And they're pickling further than anyone before with the picklerita slush. When I have a slush, I want pickles in there. Full of pickle flavored bursting bubbles. Topped with a Grillo's pickle garnish. This must be the edge of the known pickle verse. Oh, whoever came up with that needs a beating. To which Sonic says, no, you don't understand. This is just the beginning. You think a pickle burger, pickle tots and a pickle slush is a lot of pickle hubris. We'll pickle everything. That's their logo. Will the Sonic and Grillos big deal meal. It's the Conan bit. Oh, my God. They're going after me. Hard of burger pickle meals. Hilarious comedy is back on the big screen with the Naked Gun, and it does not hold back. Only one man has the particular set of skills to lead a police squad and save the world. Lieutenant Frank Drebin Jr. Played by Liam Neeson. Wow. Follows in his father's footsteps in the Naked Gun. Directed by Akiva Schaeffer and from producer Seth MacFarlane. With appearances from Paul Walter Hauser, Pamela Anderson, Liza Koshy, and many more, the Naked Gun is a comedy that pulls no punches. Go see the Naked Gun. Only in theaters on August 1st.

[Kesha]

Hi, my name is Kesha, and I feel cunty about being Conan o' Brien's friend.

[Matt Gourley]

That's exactly what Michelle Obama said.

[Conan O'Brien]

She did not. That was what Al Pacino said. Father's here.

[Kesha]

Hear the yell Back to school.

[Conan O'Brien]

Ring the bell Brand new shoes Walking.

[Sona Movsesian]

Loose Climb the fence Books and pens.

[Kesha]

I can tell that we are gonna.

[Conan O'Brien]

Be friends.

[Sona Movsesian]

I can tell that we.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are gonna be friends hey there. Welcome to Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend. My eternal search for friendship. Really meaningful friendship. So far, how many of these shows have we done?

[Matt Gourley]

300 and something.

[Conan O'Brien]

And not one person has agreed to be my friend. This is a journey. It's like Hercules and his labors. I'm just out there trying. But I'll keep trying. I'm joined by my, I hope friends, my pals. We're Friends and employees.

[Kesha]

That's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Son of session.

[Sona Movsesian]

You said 300, and I was gonna guess like, 3,000.

[Matt Gourley]

No, 350. Something like that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. 350.

[Sona Movsesian]

I was way off.

[Kesha]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

And Matt Gorley, how. Haven't seen you guys in a while. We spent a little time apart, and I did miss you guys. I say that with genuine feeling. Good. Which is rare for me. And I'm curious how everyone's doing. Sona, what you been up to?

[Sona Movsesian]

I fell down the stairs a couple days ago.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're laughing already. Well, you're here. So you weren't killed?

[Sona Movsesian]

No, I wasn't killed, but where.

[Conan O'Brien]

Tell us what happened.

[Sona Movsesian]

It was at my new place, and I was coming down the stairs, and I slipped. And so I, like, slid down the stairs on my. On my butt. So it was like a. All the way down, and nobody was around. Like, Tack was in the shower. And so it was one of those things where you just kind of are like, well, I just fell. Now I have to just get up and continue on with my day.

[Conan O'Brien]

Did it hurt?

[Sona Movsesian]

It hurts so bad.

[Conan O'Brien]

On the coccyx. The tailbone?

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes, on my tailbone, and it still hurts. Like, I'm having, like. I'm kind of, like, moving around a lot on the. On the chair right now. Cause it's, like, kind of uncomfortable for me. But Tak came out of the shower, and he was like, what was that? It sounded like something really heavy fell.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Tak. Who threw a piano down the stairs? Who threw an Armenian piano down the stairs?

[Sona Movsesian]

Ah, come on. But it was just like. You know, when you fall, it's like, it could be funny if someone else is around, or if you're chilling right now, if other people, like, come and check on you, then it's like, oh, okay, she fell. It's weird, you know, but she's okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

They make it kind of normal.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes, but when you're by yourself and you just. You're at the end of your fall, and you're just kind of in a weird position, and you're like, I just have to get up and just keep going.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. That's life. I know, but it's all of life.

[Sona Movsesian]

And it's ironic, because people falling is one of my favorite things.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. You have shown me over the years, as my assistant, long before this podcast, you would say you've. I would hear explosive laughter. I'd be trying to get a show together. I'd hear explosive laughter. I'd go out, and you would be watching a bride come out at her happiest moment and then fall into a big bowl of dog shit. Like. And you would be crying. I would, too. And then. And you know what it is, is it's best. It's best when it happens when someone's preening. You know, if there is some. There is a difference. If a person just falls, it's not as funny as someone who's dressed up for their big moment and grinning and saying, everybody look at me. And then they trip. Do you know what I mean? And it's.

[Sona Movsesian]

There was a video I bookmarked and would watch over and over again. It was these two men dressed as mascots. So in big costumes and they were on ice and they were doing a commercial for, I think, cars or a car dealership.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, this is. We're going to have to throw to this. We're going to find this and throw to it. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Okay, real quick.

[Matt Gourley]

Listeners, go to the YouTube channel or Instagram.

[Sona Movsesian]

Could not stay standing. And this is.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is. I'm so glad I brought this up.

[Sona Movsesian]

I can't breath.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Sona Movsesian]

You gotta find.

[Conan O'Brien]

Throw it in the tape. Go to the tape.

[Sona Movsesian]

He's like. You know, he's like walking around and.

[Conan O'Brien]

Then he just goes down hard. Oh, Mike, you've been defeated.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God. You're in vapor lock.

[Conan O'Brien]

You defeated.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm actually crying. I can't speak. I think about it. I think, like on a regular. I think about it more than I think about my kids sometimes. Just this video of this guy. This D is like, did you find. Please tell me you found it. Of these people on a mascot.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is it. Yes, this. This is it. I've seen it. Okay. Oh, my God. Put it up.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm gonna cry more.

[Matt Gourley]

You know what does that for me? Have you ever seen the drunk Ewok on the Today show at Halloween that humps their legs and does Michael Jackson dancing? Oh, my God. It's incredible.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's incredible.

[Matt Gourley]

It's like a Halloween dispute.

[Conan O'Brien]

Here we go. Here we go.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, it's the bloopers for the wrong socks.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, don't make him keep doing it. Help him. Help him.

[Sona Movsesian]

Guys.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Gourley]

Are they playing yagty sax?

[Conan O'Brien]

What? Oh, my God. Okay, whatever that car is, I'm buying it.

[Sona Movsesian]

Why? Why do they keep me.

[Matt Gourley]

Amazing.

[Kesha]

Look at her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Look at her.

[Matt Gourley]

She's a puddle that lived up. So I wasn't thinking that was gonna.

[Conan O'Brien]

Live up to you, but look at her. That was pretty good. She's gonna die. You're not getting enough air.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I am. Sometimes I get really scared. I'm not breathing enough when I left.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, we gotta do this video.

[Sona Movsesian]

Does it all, every single time.

[Conan O'Brien]

We gotta do this. My guest today is a singer songwriter whose first independently produced album, Period, is out now. Very happy she's here today. She's an old friend from back in the day. Ke$ha. Welcome. I know it's a podcast, it's an audio medium, but you look, as always, fantastic. And we do have cameras rolling. Anyone you gotta go online. You gotta check out, right? What? What? How Kesha's dressed. You look fantastic.

[Kesha]

Thank you. Which camera do I like?

[Conan O'Brien]

Stand and look. We have all these cameras here. You look incredible as you always do. You're wearing Conan merchandise. And this is.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just. Oh, my Lord. And this is what you will look like if you buy Conan merchandise.

[Kesha]

Oh, wow.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Ke$ha was a 77 year old man before she put that shirt on and became. I am so glad you're here. You look gorgeous. Thank you. You look fantastic. You are all things KE doll Ha. And I want to start by reminiscing.

[Kesha]

Let's go.

[Conan O'Brien]

You came on my show in 2010, I believe when you were blowing up with TikTok and you kept coming back on my show.

[Kesha]

I wouldn't leave.

[Conan O'Brien]

You would not leave. But you were such a loyal person. You always came back to the show. You were always great. We had great interviews, we had great moments. You would perform, you would. You were just a trooper and so nice to me. And I wanted to first thank you for that.

[Kesha]

Oh, thank.

[Conan O'Brien]

You were great. And then I wanted to reminisce about. We're not getting into specifics today about the various shit that you have gone through. We're gonna stay clear of all that for all legal reasons and blah, blah, blah. But I was walking along in Venice a bunch of years ago when you were in the midst of some real dark times and we bump into each other and I gave you a hug. I hugged you. Cause I just knew that you were going through this bad time. And we had this, like, nice moment of me asking you, how you doing? You talking to me? It was this nice human moment. Of course you're Ke$ha. So there's Paparazzi.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I had never seen paparazzi before. They are not interested in Conan o'. Brien. So I was like, hey, so that's paparazzi.

[Sona Movsesian]

They avoid you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. They do not. No, no.

[Kesha]

They follow you?

[Conan O'Brien]

No. A photo of Conan o' Brien is worth less, even in the. You lose money on a photo of Conan o'. Brien. But they got this photo, and so I thought. And it circulated, and I thought, gotta first call the wife about hugging Kesha on the street to confess. To confess that, yes, Kesha and I have been seeing each other secretly. But on a personal level, I'm very happy for you that you have gone through a really bad experience and come out the other side seemingly stronger than ever.

[Kesha]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Looking beautiful and making great music. And so just. I just wanted to start with that. Like, this just big dose of positivity.

[Kesha]

I love it.

[Conan O'Brien]

And as my old friend, I'm proud of you for hanging in there.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God. This means so much coming from you. You're iconic. And the reason I kept showing up is not because you're iconic, but because you're such a good man. Like, you're so kind. And you can just tell it in Hollywood. There's everybody. And then there's, like, the especially bad ones. But then there's, like, sprinkled with especially good ones. And I just could always tell from the very beginning, I was like, he's an especially. Like, you're a magical, like, lightworker. Like, you're just amazing. So that's why I do this, and that's why I show up with guitars in your face on my.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen to this. You. Look at you. Look what you brought. You bring me this gorgeous fenderstrat, which is. I love a Fender Strat. Look at this. Yes, I know. We're now a game show.

[Sona Movsesian]

You're like a Price Is Right Mom.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I've never seen that color with a black pick guard. And it is absolutely. How's the action on that, baby?

[Matt Gourley]

The action is satisfaction.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. All right.

[Sona Movsesian]

You shouldn't have asked him.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know. I regret. That was so nice of you. You're just a lovely person.

[Kesha]

But literally, it's because you're such an amazing person. Oh, like that.

[Conan O'Brien]

We gotta take this on the road. I think I should be part of your. I think I should be part of your live. Go.

[Kesha]

I'm going on tour, baby.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's go. I know. And it's called the Tits Out Tour.

[Kesha]

Yeah. You'll have to get your tits out, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen, when I let these babies. Keeping them in. When I let these babies out, you are going to see audience attendants plunge. When these two Irish cutlets come out.

[Kesha]

Bring them out, baby.

[Conan O'Brien]

Looks like two little dollops of Spam.

[Matt Gourley]

That is both too poetic and too on the nose.

[Kesha]

Or Something.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Gourley]

Irish cutlets.

[Conan O'Brien]

They gotta come out. They've never seen sunlight. And it is time.

[Kesha]

Let's go. Come to msg. I'm headlining Madison Square Garden for the first time in my entire career.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, how could that be the first time?

[Kesha]

I've played there many times. It's the first time I'm headlining, so, like, having gone through the shit I've gone through, not fun. Don't need to talk about it. But I will say, I am proud of me, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

You should be.

[Kesha]

I am proud of me.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I'll say something. I want to go back and take people. Just. This is not news to you, but your story, You've been working at this for a very long time. I like to highlight those parts of the story because there are a lot of people that can think attractive woman hits it big. It can just happen. They don't understand the years and years of the songwriting you were doing since you were a kid.

[Kesha]

Oh, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Your mom a songwriter?

[Kesha]

Totally, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wrote for Dolly Parton. Wrote for a bunch of people.

[Kesha]

Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard.

[Conan O'Brien]

But you guys had hard food stamps. Not a lot of money. Struggle. And from an early age, you were writing songs and working on becoming yourself.

[Kesha]

Yeah, well, I kind of, like, got the assignment when I was little. Like, my mom was like, you're gonna be a pop star. And I was like, I am. She's like, yeah. And I was like, all right. And so then I was gonna go to Columbia. I didn't know that you went to Harvard.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, that's.

[Kesha]

Cause you're smarty. A little genius.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no. Lots of evil. Trust me, lots of evil. Dumb people go there, too. Yeah, every college encompasses all kinds of people. So, yeah, there are war criminals there right now that are training to be war criminals. But that aside. And don't worry, I'll make a donation. You were working on. Your mom told you you're going to be a pop star, and you took the assignment seriously.

[Kesha]

Well, I am also, secretly, people don't know this about me because I, you know, have my butt hanging out and I brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack. These kind of things. So people think I'm, like, doopy, but actually I was really smart.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're doopy like a fox.

[Kesha]

I'm doopy like a fox. No, I got, like, almost perfect SAT scores. My iq, I forget what it was, but it was impressive.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I was getting before all the Jack Daniels.

[Kesha]

Before all the Jack Daniels got to me. And I was gonna go to Columbia and study comparative religion and Psychology. And then instead, I signed a record deal.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

So what was my point?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I think the point is, and it does not surprise me, you're saying, oh, it might surprise some people that you're smart. There's all kinds of ways of being smart. And it does not surprise me at all that you're really smart. And watching first of all, the tenacity that you took to your career. I think for your first album, if I'm correct, you wrote like 200 songs.

[Kesha]

Oh, every album I write, like, 200 songs. I write many. This week, I've probably written, like nine songs. It's insane. Most of them are bad. And some of that's, like how some of the hits come out is because I'm like, okay, yesterday I wrote a good song. Today I'm gonna write one or two songs, so let me just write, like, the worst song. And then all of a sudden, the worst one I can write ends up being the fan favorite.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that does not surprise me. There's an old saying that every person who comes out with the great American novel has 15 terrible novels in their desk.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And the problem is, once they write the hit novel, then the publishers quickly want another one. So they go, oh, I got them. And it's like, yeah, there's a reason those didn't go, yeah, you have to write. I mean, Lennon McCartney wrote hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of songs before they get to writing the good stuff. And I think a lot of art is good editing. It's what you take out. Now, this podcast, we don't seem to take much out.

[Matt Gourley]

Well, it would be 10 seconds long. We just can't make any money.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. This isn't art. So we know that that's not true.

[Kesha]

Humor, to me, is the most impressive kind of art. I'm gonna challenge you on that.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think in moments. I think in moments, we hit these really nice high notes. And then there's a lot of Matt going, blah, blah, blah, and Sona going, blah, blah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Why do I sound like that?

[Conan O'Brien]

You have a beautiful high register. It's funny cause you describe yourself as a kid, as a seeker, and that you tried out different churches. You were looking for something.

[Kesha]

Well, so since I was little. Okay, let me back this up. It's my last lifetime, and I always knew that. But then I recently was at the naked hippie commune, and the medicine woman was like, you know, it's your last lifetime. I was like, I know, right? She's like, it definitely is. So ever since.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cause I'm Pisces, and Pisces means you're saying you've had other lifetimes. How many do you think you've had?

[Kesha]

Oh, too many.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. And this is the last one.

[Kesha]

This is it, baby. This is the finale. That's why I got it all popping off like crazy. So it's the last one. Cause I was like, gimme all you got. And God was like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, bitch. And then I'm like, you know, when.

[Conan O'Brien]

I call God bitch, he tends to throw thunderbolts down at me. Or she, or they. I'm just gonna cover every base. But what I'm saying is I don't like the way you talk to God. I think that's disrespectful. That's my only problem. So, you know. So this is your last lifetime. I would be okay with this being my last lifetime because I've loved this lifetime. And if this is it, I am not greedy for more. I don't think it's going to get better.

[Kesha]

When's your birthday?

[Conan O'Brien]

April 18th.

[Kesha]

Oh, you're at the beginning, honey.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, no, I can't do more.

[Kesha]

This is like your first one. You have like 3,000 minimum left.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm more worried for the world than.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, it's gonna be end times. It's all post apocalyptic. Me babbling as a new person. So you were going to. You were, you know, this is your last.

[Kesha]

Oh, so it's my last.

[Conan O'Brien]

Who told you this? A shaman told you this?

[Kesha]

Well, this medicine woman. So I go to this place called Esalen, and it's like, you can be naked. And you started as an alternative to an insane asylum, but it's in the Redwood Forest. And you go and you soak in like these lithium filled baths. And you're naked and it's beautiful and there's butterflies. We love it. So I go there and then I met this medicine woman. And she's like, oh my God. And I was like, I know. And she was like. I'm like, I know. And she's like, it's your last lifetime. You know? I'm like, yes. And so we've been doing all this work trying to get me, like, spiritually focused and ready to just like spread as much love in the most adorable package and as much as I can till the day I die.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let me ask you a question. Would I do okay at Esalen? Be honest.

[Kesha]

You would love it. But have you ever been? Do you know about it?

[Conan O'Brien]

I've never been naked, so.

[Kesha]

Well, come to the tour and get your so so.

[Conan O'Brien]

So. No, but what I'm saying is. What I'm saying is. I don't know. Be honest. Picture. Try and be and be. We're friends. Be honest. How would I do at Esalen?

[Kesha]

Well, how do you feel about spiders?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm okay with spiders.

[Kesha]

Okay. How do you feel about, like, nakedness?

[Conan O'Brien]

I like other people being naked.

[Kesha]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Totally down with it.

[Kesha]

How do you feel about hippies?

[Conan O'Brien]

Hippies. I'm cool with hippies.

[Kesha]

You'd be great.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

Yeah. You can go and, like, take different. I teach songwriting there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, wow.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. I'm down with all of it. I'm down with everyone else being naked. Me, maybe, in a three piece suit.

[Kesha]

No, that's great. You can do whatever makes anybody cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like assless chaps.

[Sona Movsesian]

Wait, but you're watching everybody who's naked.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you're fully clothed and sketching them?

[Kesha]

Sounding kind of weird. I've done that there.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I found a little window I can peer out of.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, peering through a little window. And I brought the little window. I set it up between two trees.

[Matt Gourley]

You were never invited there.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I was not invited there. And I'm escorted out and I run away every time they do. Jeez.

[Kesha]

You were invited. Now you're not invited.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm not invited. You just disinvited me.

[Kesha]

No, you would love it. We should go. Honestly, if you ever want to go for a weekend, it's my favorite place in the world.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Kesha]

And what was my point of all of this?

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't need a point. That's the thing is, it's.

[Kesha]

We're having a good time. You don't have to.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's how this one works.

[Kesha]

So I just don't have to have a point.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't want no responsibility.

[Kesha]

My God.

[Conan O'Brien]

I. I'm going to give you your point.

[Kesha]

Go ahead.

[Conan O'Brien]

And this is the ultimate form of mansplaining. I'll tell you, Kesha, what you meant.

[Kesha]

Tell me my point.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I was asked, bringing up the fact that as a kid you were a seeker. You went to, like, 10, used to drive around to different churches or have your mom drive around to explore. And it sounds like this has been a theme in your life. You're going to Esalen. You're just. You're out there to try and find out whatever you can find out. You're curious, which takes a certain amount of bravery, I would say.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God. It's. It's very psychedelic out here. You guys don't think it's so surreal? I have the Trippiest experiences. And I'm like, fine line between spiritual and just insane. But I love writing that line. And I've just had so many interesting, serendipitous experiences where my cat. I had a spiritual awakening and I saw the universe and my cat brought me headphones and a guy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Was that real? The part where your cat brings you headphones?

[Kesha]

I swear to God, Mr. Peeps. I swear to God.

[Conan O'Brien]

What brand headphones. You can turn this into a plug and then Mr. Peeps can make some money.

[Kesha]

Come on, Peter, let's go.

[Conan O'Brien]

What are we using here? You sure headphones.

[Kesha]

It was this giant. Sure headphones. My cat brought me this.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cat approved. Ask Mr. Peeps. Really? God, Mr. Peeps just made $40,000.

[Kesha]

He does that.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, they should.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why are you doing a weird voice?

[Kesha]

You were doing it.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'll do the weird voice.

[Sona Movsesian]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, but they're really young. But we still need stuff.

[Conan O'Brien]

You gotta get the backpacks and you gotta get the crayons and the.

[Sona Movsesian]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona Movsesian]

Me neither.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Kesha]

So anyways, so like, weird psychedelic things have been happening my whole life. So I started because in school I was like, I don't know if I belong with these people because I'm in, like, outside of Nashville. People are thrown around the N word. I'm like, I think I'm gay. And then I was like, well, actually, I just don't like anybody. And so then I met punk rockers and I was like, wait, I fuck with punk rockers because they're like, don't give a fuck. But they stand in their integrity. But, like, in a very offensive way. Yeah, it's kind of fun. And so I was like, in your face. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, that's the essence of punk rock is lean into it. In your face, this is happening.

[Kesha]

Yeah. But, like, at the. At the heart of it, there's a lot of integrity.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

That's just mixed with rage. And, like, I don't give a fuck how this reads to you, but, like, it is what it is. And I loved that, like, Iggy Pop was a guiding light for me. So I'm in, like, middle school. I'm like, mom, will you drive me from one super church to the other one? And my first kiss outside of a super church, and I was like, I have always been fascinated with what makes people do what they're doing, like, survive. Like, what do you believe in? What are we doing? What are we doing here? And who are you gonna listen to about how to do it? And, like, why? So that was always my fascination, even with becoming a pop star. Like, I always thought Mick Jagger was very similar to the preachers I would see at the church. There's a similarity there.

[Conan O'Brien]

He's a good front man.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

A good frontman is serving the same purpose as a preacher. It's this tireless energy. And then they have to project hardcore belief in what they're doing.

[Kesha]

Totally.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's easier to be Bill Wyman, the bass player in the Stones. Formerly bass player. But, like, you can kind of hang back and have a bad day, but if you're Mick Jagged, you can never have a bad day.

[Kesha]

You can't doubt. You can't have a doubt in your damn body about what you're doing. And, like, that faith. I'm like, shit, I want that faith in something that's wild. So I always was, like, really fascinated to that energy and, like, did you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Know you could get up on a stage or that you. You belonged up on a stage even as a. A kid?

[Kesha]

No, I was like, the person that everyone's like, you're too weird to even, like, sit near. Like, you're just so weird. And so, no, I didn't want to be on the stage. I was like, I'm just gonna go make out with some dude. That has been my motto my whole life. Fuck you guys. I'm gonna go make out with some hot dude.

[Conan O'Brien]

This was your religion in a way.

[Kesha]

Honestly, Deadass.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I dabbled in that a little bit.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sona worked with me for quite a while during the period time when you were coming on the show and everything. Sona was making out with some dude up in my office.

[Kesha]

Good job.

[Conan O'Brien]

That she was supposed to be filing. Who's done the filing lately?

[Sona Movsesian]

This is my it was my religion.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, it was your religion.

[Kesha]

So I love that.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just saw.

[Kesha]

There's the song in there. Go on.

[Conan O'Brien]

You got to cut her in.

[Kesha]

No, it's fine.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, it's interesting to me that. And I didn't realize that you were doing backup vocals for a while before you hit it on your own. That's a very interesting role, I would think, and very educational because you're around Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, and you're watching them do it and you're doing this. Providing this very technical assistance to them as the. You know, and helping them out. But you're also. You're kind of watching from the side, but seeing how it's done.

[Kesha]

Totally. And like, absorbing it all. Like, I've worked with all different kinds of people in the business, but one of the greats is Rick Rubin. And, like, just seeing how he's done it alongside of how someone like Ariana does it alongside of. I wrote a song for Britney, like, just kind of like taking these notes. And that's why I teach songwriting is. Cause I'm like, I've been around some of the most incredible, like, artists of our generation, not let alone myself. Right. So very cunty.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is only gonna be the podcast that's used that word the third most.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's been two others that are still ahead of you. You have to figure it out.

[Kesha]

I like watching. I like watching people in flow. That's why you wanted to know why I brought you a guitar is because I love watching people in flow. I love seeing people in their creative. And like, anything can be creative. Right? Like the way I got dressed today, I. It's creative.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. You took a Conan T shirt and you took it so to the next level that. Yeah, I've never been attracted to myself and now I am. Wait a minute. That's not true.

[Kesha]

Promoting self love in here too.

[Sona Movsesian]

We love that you're not attracted to Ke$. You're attracted to yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Kesha is making the T shirt with me on it attractive.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm certainly attracted to you as well.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. So let's talk about this because you put in the time, you work, you work, you work. Then I meet you when TikTok hits, and it's a phenomenon. And you have described the feeling that so many people wish and pray for this day. And when it happens, though, it's kind of mind altering because you had been playing in front of. Oh, I just played a show and there were a couple hundred people there. And then overnight, dude, it Was not. Don't you call me. Dude.

[Kesha]

I almost called you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm an admiral in the Navy. You call me Admiral o'. Brien. I'm an admiral in the Kesha Navy.

[Kesha]

I stopped myself from saying bitch.

[Conan O'Brien]

No.

[Kesha]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, bitch is okay.

[Kesha]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

This admiral's okay with bitch.

[Kesha]

Not to God. Okay. So the shows I was playing before that were, like, 10 people, and the one guy at the bar was asleep, so does he count? I don't know. And then I played Lollapalooza, and I would look out, and I was like, they must be here for the person after me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. Who's standing behind me that they want to see.

[Kesha]

And I was like, what? And then they knew the. The song, and I was like, what the fuck is going on here? And then that night, it was, like, hanging out with the Black Keys. And they came to the show, and I'm like, whoa, what the hell? It happened so fast. So fast. And my mind, like, was, like, what? It was very weird.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I remember you came on for TikTok, and then you kept coming back with other performances. And what I always remember is how you're so quick and funny, and your whole spirit was, let's see where this goes. Which was great. Which was really nice. And you had this sense of humor about. I'm trying to say this the right way. Like, you would use your sexuality in this way that was really fun.

[Kesha]

Silly and fun.

[Conan O'Brien]

Silly and fun. And things firing out of your chicha. Use the tempo.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes, that's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

I didn't realize we were in Nicaragua. Please, someone translate for me.

[Matt Gourley]

Two cunties and a chicha. We got them.

[Kesha]

Oh, I love.

[Conan O'Brien]

And one chicha. I'm not familiar with the chicha or the vagina, for that matter.

[Sona Movsesian]

Both were writing it down.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I'm just trying to get my terms right. You know, when Ke$ha comes on, it comes with a term sheet.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, it does.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's a lot of God is a bitch. There's cunties and chichas.

[Matt Gourley]

Can we get a telestrator in here as well?

[Conan O'Brien]

But no, like, literally. And things were. Were firing out of your nipples. And there was. There was. You didn't. Oh, wait a minute. That's a dream I had. Yeah, you had. You would. You would. There was a burlesque, fun attitude about it all.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Which was. Had a almost cartoonish element to it. And it was fun. It was. For lack of. I mean, that's the word. It was fun and experimental and artistic and silly and absurd and the whole thing. Mashed together.

[Kesha]

Totally. Cause I, like, I grew up not knowing I didn't have my God to pray to. Like, even in anywhere. I was like. And I. And I've started to realize, like, it's kind of cool that I do feel like a true original in ways I wished I had someone to be. Like, I want to be just like, that person, but there's, like, nobody to really point to. Like, there are a lot of amazing people I want to be like in ways, but there's not just, like, one person.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I have this theory that I've had for a while, which is we all grow up looking at people and thinking, I really like what they're doing. I really like what they're doing. I really like what they're doing. And it's your failure to be the person. I use the word failure. It's not really a failure, but it's your attempt to be the person and your inability to be them that makes you original.

[Kesha]

Totally. I have many thoughts about this. So I think authenticity is the highest vibration you can vibrate at. Like, true authenticity. Not trying to be somebody. Like, really just your authenticity, weird self. With your family dynamic passed down in your body and your DNA and where you come from and everything you've seen and done. Like, your authenticity. You're the only one. Like, everyone is a true original. And so I've, like, started playing a fun game with myself. Like, how authentic can I be? And it freaks people out. It kind of freaks me out sometimes. But then I'm like, well, it's authentic. This is the game we're playing. It's your last lifetime. So that's a. Wait. There was a really good point. Hold on.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let me tell you what it was.

[Sona Movsesian]

Fuck. What was it?

[Conan O'Brien]

B. Tariffs don't work.

[Kesha]

Okay, I remember now.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sorry. Okay, I made a guess, and I was wrong.

[Kesha]

Not. Was. Not okay. Height of the pop stardom, like, bejazzled bodysuits, not eating, like, trying to be. Trying to be this thing that I'm not. And I just, like, hit a wall where I'm, like, doing the dancing, and I'm like, this is not me. Everybody wants me to be this. And I'm trying to please them because I like people to be happy. I want people to be happy. Timber. Biggest song in the world. Took off the bedjazzled bodysuit, stopped the arena tour, started a punk band called Yeast Infection played dive bars, much to the dismay of everybody around me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Of the Machine.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God. They were not happy. But, like, that's one of my proudest Moments because, like, I did grow up on food stamps. I'm not scared of what it means to not have money like that. I'm gonna stand in my integrity of who I am and in my authenticity. And I'm not gonna stand for, like, I'd become the thing that I, like, hated. Like, I don't want little girls looking up to someone who's not eating and me pretending like I'm eating, but I'm not. Like, no, I'm not gonna do this. That's not who I am. It's not what I stand for. Fuck that. And that was, like, when everything changed where I was. Like, I tried it your way, you guys, and it's bullshit. And now I'm doing it my way. And, like, take whatever you want because my fucking genius is in my mind. So you can never have it. You can own my voice. You can do the thing. Blah, blah, blah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, let's talk about that, because the album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've owned the rights to your voice. Is that right?

[Kesha]

Yeah, it's the first time I've had the legal rights to my recorded voice since I was 18 years old.

[Conan O'Brien]

Jesus.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Kesha]

Yeah. And after a 10 year litigation, three states, but like, it was kind of.

[Conan O'Brien]

And this is. Period. This is the.

[Kesha]

Yeah, and.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it is. It's a strange thing to think about. And I can kind of relate. Not on the same scale, but I can kind of relate. When you're young and super hungry, you just want in.

[Kesha]

When you're just happy to be there.

[Conan O'Brien]

You'Re happy to be there. And so. And this is the. One of the oldest stories in show business is pop stars when they're 17, 18, signing everything away because someone's saying, we have the microphone. The microphone's in that room. If you want to sing into it, sign this piece of paper and you'll do it.

[Kesha]

Yeah, well. And you also, like, your brain's not fully developed. I grew up without a father. I, you know, came from very humble beginnings. And so, like, also didn't really understand in perpetuity, in the universe. Like, that's what I signed. And in my mind I'm like, I'm a punk rocker. Like, he's gonna take. They're gonna take a bunch of money. That's fine. Like, I don't care about money. But actually, what I didn't realize is, like, in perpetuity, in the universe of my voice. Like, that's a. Yeah, it's a big thing. You're Signing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

And then I just, like. I, like, reached max capacity. Biggest song in the world moment. And then it was like, no. And so that's when I saw you in the street. So I needed that hug. So thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was wandering around hoping I could hug Kesha, and I manifested you.

[Kesha]

I love that.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I was like, I gotta get her fast. Cause it's her last life.

[Matt Gourley]

You can do that.

[Kesha]

It is.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I knew that I had 10,000 lives still to go, but I knew I couldn't get you the new next time around.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, right.

[Conan O'Brien]

Because you're not going to be around. There's going to be some other. I don't want to hug that creep. This period of time that you went through this crazy litigation and all that stuff that everyone's read about. And. And I don't think people that have been through legal things on that scale can understand how it consumes your whole life, you know? And, like, it takes over your whole life. And when it has to do with your creativity and what you do to keep yourself sane, that's doubly. It's not like, oh, you're being sued over a parking lot that you own in Encino, and you may not get to see it for a while, or you may lose part of it. It's your essence of who you are.

[Kesha]

Well, it's the thing that you. Yeah, it's weird. It's like your soul is, like, on paper, owned by someone else, but you're like, but it's in my body, and I have rights to my body, but all of this has infiltrated every ounce of my body and my brain, and it just is really toxic. And it's really unfortunate because, you know, people use that as, like, a tool to torture. And it works. Like, it was really, really hard. And I just remember getting more and more scared and paranoid because, like, the fuckery, but then also, like, how long it went on. And that was by design.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

And, you know, I remember being told that by the time I got out of this situation, I would be old and I would be broke and I would be irrelevant. So every single time that I do anything that connects, it hits, like, on a level people will never understand.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Kesha]

And so, like, it's like, it's a great.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a sweet revenge.

[Kesha]

Oh, it's also just like, it's not true. Like, I'm not old, God damn it. And I'm. Well, the legal bills, but I'm not irrelevant. And so that. It's like, it's nice to have people that Believe in you. And, like, so I appreciate you. And I always have. From the beginning, like, our relationship from the beginning.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's so funny that you. Cause I feel like we're in tune in some crazy way because you bring this guitar and you talk about flow state. That is the way I chill is before you showed up, I was upstairs with an epiphone casino strapped on, just doing scales and noodling and doing little riffs. Because that. In my office. Because that's how I kind of turn off the noise. I've found that if my hands are busy, the noise goes away. And if I'm doing scales or if I'm doing. It's just everything calms down a little bit.

[Kesha]

Yes. This is what the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills does to me. Dead ass right now. I don't know why, but it scratches that part of my brain.

[Conan O'Brien]

But, you know, I completely relate to that. I've said this before, but for my wife, it is below deck. She likes her some below deck. And there are times where she's so smart and she's so, you know, hyper literate and hyper competent. And then there are times where I'll just find her in a room, and she's, like, got Cheeto dust in her face, and she's just watched, like, 15 down under below decks in a row.

[Kesha]

And you're like, are you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you all right? And she's like, who are you? Like, I'm your husband of 23 years. You've never seen me naked. But I really am. And so, I mean, but that is. I understand that. I understand that we all need that. We all need.

[Sona Movsesian]

We.

[Kesha]

Well, I think because creativity has become, like. It became my job, and then it became like, I have to fight for this, like, so hard. I need, like, 30 minutes one time a week to watch some ladies yell about their Birkins. Okay?

[Conan O'Brien]

The Birkin. Such an innocent shoe. Or a bag.

[Kesha]

It's a bag. This is a fake Birkin.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's a fake Birkin.

[Kesha]

Oh, yeah. But you can't tell, right? South Korea. You cannot.

[Conan O'Brien]

The minute you walked in, I was like, fucking fake Birkin. Fake Birkin. And you know what? Matt gave me the signal to cancel. I did. He gave me the. Let's talk. We gotta fake Birkin in the house and we can't talk to you. You might mean not the real Ke$ha actually switched that out with a real.

[Matt Gourley]

Birkin when you weren't looking.

[Kesha]

I love that.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's our prank show.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God. Giving people real Birkins.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Kesha]

I'll play.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, you had the moment. You talk about these little cultural moments. You knew you had made it. You said when the Simpsons switched out their opening of their show because they always do a different opening. They did an opening featuring TikTok, and you're like, okay.

[Kesha]

I was like, fine.

[Conan O'Brien]

Got it.

[Kesha]

I guess this is on. And it was like. And then it was like, wild style. It was just like, wild style. My life's been wild style, Wild style. It's just the only way I can describe it.

[Conan O'Brien]

So are you willing to have, like, a boring day? That. Which I know you mentioned you want to watch your Beverly Hills Housewives.

[Kesha]

Yeah, that I.

[Conan O'Brien]

But. But. But do you ever take a day and just. I don't know, you know, make a. Make a. Some pasta.

[Kesha]

Cake.

[Conan O'Brien]

A cake. Bake a cake, Paint a wall, you know, do some electrical repair on a lawnmower?

[Kesha]

To be honest, no. This is, like, kind of a problem. I have no chill. I have a tattoo that says chill. It's a lie. I'm not chill.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's why you got the tattoo. I knew was to try and chill.

[Matt Gourley]

Men and mind yourself.

[Kesha]

Just get more tattoos.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I have a tattoo that says stop talking.

[Kesha]

You do?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, but I wish I had a tattoo.

[Kesha]

Well, it doesn't help, but. No, I don't understand.

[Conan O'Brien]

When you're at this retreat, right?

[Kesha]

But then you're romping around naked, chasing the butterflies and, like, tromping up in the hills, and then go in the art barn, and then you go. And you, like, dance your traumas away, and then the medicine woman.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you still naked when this is all happening?

[Kesha]

You, like, can be, but I wasn't dancing naked.

[Matt Gourley]

I agree with your.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm making little, little noises again. I'm the creep who's peering in at Esalen. You know what? I'm in a faraway hill with crazy big, comically large binoculars going, oh, I think I see Kesha.

[Matt Gourley]

You're wearing, like, a sniper ghillie suit. You know this?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I'm not wearing a. I'm wearing a birding outfit.

[Kesha]

So it's. You go and, like. You don't usually dance naked. You're usually just naked. That could be problematic in Hot Springs.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kesha]

Don't be weird about it, Conan.

[Conan O'Brien]

Don't be weird about what? Dancing naked is problematic. I'm sure you know why. I don't know. Things could get caught in the machinery.

[Sona Movsesian]

What. What machinery?

[Conan O'Brien]

There might be a thresher nearby. I don't know. I haven't thought this all the way through. I assume they're out in the woods and there's a threshing machine.

[Matt Gourley]

Your Irish cutlets are gonna get caught in the calm.

[Conan O'Brien]

I won't have my Irish cutlets thrashed in some thresher. Ke$. You've ruined. You've ruined this podcast forever.

[Sona Movsesian]

He short circuited after you said chicha.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know you said chicha. And you know what? Once.

[Matt Gourley]

Not discount bejazzled either.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are we writing these down? What do we have?

[Matt Gourley]

We've got two cunties. Well, I guess two cheeches now for counting that one writing, one Irish cutlets and one bejazzled.

[Kesha]

Count it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Literally the dorkiest thing you could do is write this stuff down.

[Sona Movsesian]

And you're both writing it down.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm going to keep these on clipboards, cuz I love having this. I love consulting a clipboard. Hold on a second. That's one bejazzled. Two Irish cutlets. A cunty.

[Kesha]

You compared your nipples to spam. I want to write that one down.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, if you saw them, you'd notice what I'm talking about. Let's just say the freckle is not the most erotic symbol you have had. I'm telling you, you're a very spiritual person. What's this segue going to be?

[Sona Movsesian]

Let's go do it. Get it. Get it.

[Conan O'Brien]

This new kind of party. Like a cashew potter does a cash your powder. Don't stop. Okay, Listen, I want control of this. It's my job as the admiral of this podcast to get it under control. And Kesha has ruined everything. You are always fun. Always fun. This time. 100%. That's why. You know, what happened was we. I was doing something at south by Southwest and someone came up to me and said, kesha's here and wishes to speak to you. And I hadn't run into you since I think I saw you on the street. And I said, I would love to see ke$. And then five minutes later you walked in and we had this nice reunion and I said, you've got to come on the podcast, please.

[Kesha]

And here we are.

[Conan O'Brien]

And here we are. And it's a mess. It's a mess. That is what I said it should be. It is exactly what it should be. You are a magical. You are a magical spirit from another limit meant let's take a spiritual journey together. Tell me.

[Kesha]

Let's go.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're a very spiritual person. And you say you've had spiritual encounters. Do you believe in ghosts? I'm not a ghost person.

[Kesha]

Are you fucking kidding Me right now.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I don't know about ghosts.

[Kesha]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I believe there are energies and spirits, but I don't know about a ghost.

[Kesha]

Would you ever go ghost hunting?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I go ghost hunting.

[Kesha]

Okay. So I did a TV show on Disney plus called Conjuring Cashew where I went ghost hunting. Looking for aliens, Looking for big fish. Some shit happened. Didn't do a season two. So on my tour this summer, on the days off, I'm doing it myself.

[Conan O'Brien]

See, this is how you relax. It's not making a cake.

[Matt Gourley]

That is your chill.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's your chill. Your chill is looking for Bigfoot and Fuck yeah. What about Loch Ness Monster?

[Kesha]

Fuck yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

Chupacabra.

[Kesha]

I don't know what that is, but fuck yeah too.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's an Israeli appetizer, But, like, yeah.

[Kesha]

Yes, that is how I relax.

[Conan O'Brien]

Ghosts, though, specifically ones who have passed on, you think are still visiting us.

[Kesha]

100%. Okay. So I'm filming a show. I am the exec producer filming the cameraman. I forget what the camera's called, where it's like infrared, where you can see body heat.

[Conan O'Brien]

Eduardo, what is that called? I asked Eduardo.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, sorry. I defer to Matt.

[Conan O'Brien]

God damn it, you're good.

[Matt Gourley]

I'll have you see my previous answer.

[Kesha]

A thermal, I think, isn't it a thermal camera?

[Matt Gourley]

Like predator Twitter?

[Kesha]

Just like that, yeah. Okay. So I'm filming him. He's filming me. Day two, haunted insane asylum there with big Frida. Chip Coffee. We're bored. It's like four in the morning, and they're like, start, like, basically talking shit to the demons. I'm like, all right, where are you at? Like, you're not even here. Just like, right.

[Conan O'Brien]

Condescend to the demons, insult the demons, which would bring a demon forth, I would think.

[Kesha]

And it did. And so then on camera, holding the camera, watch this thing, like, crawl up Jeff and crawl into the ceiling. And it happened so fast that I was like, jake, there's a thing. And then that's how fast, right? Filming it. Exact same time. He, like, throws down a red camera. Really expensive camera is like, oh, my God, there's something crawling on me. Pulls his shirt up and there's three scratch marks down his spine. And Chip Coffee comes over and throws holy water on it. And then it heals. And I'm like, what the fuck is this?

[Conan O'Brien]

Who's Chip Coffee? That's the coolest name I've ever heard. And why isn't he a private detective?

[Kesha]

He might be.

[Conan O'Brien]

Her name's Coffee. Chip Coffee. Well, okay, That's Stunning. Do you have all that on camera?

[Kesha]

Yes. And nobody cares. That's the craziest part.

[Conan O'Brien]

Nobody cares.

[Kesha]

And I'm like, nobody cares about these ghosts I found. You're welcome. But I found so many.

[Conan O'Brien]

You found so many ghosts. Do you get creeped out in a graveyard? Are you kind of happy there?

[Kesha]

No. I'm so happy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Kesha]

Cause I'm, like, almost there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, you know what?

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God. Kesha.

[Conan O'Brien]

Kesha. No. No, you're not.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, you're not.

[Conan O'Brien]

Trust me. I'm getting to the boneyard long before you. I'll tell you. And I'll come back and I'll tell you how it is. It's me.

[Kesha]

It's me.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's Conan.

[Kesha]

No, please.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm not. I'm in the afterlife and I'm still not naked. All the other ghosts are letting things flop around.

[Kesha]

Wait, how would you haunt.

[Conan O'Brien]

How would I haunt? Irritating. Irritating. I would spare people, but I'd be. I mean, I'm gonna pass on. And Gorly and Sona are youngsters. They're going to be happily living their lives, and I'm going to just be like, oh, hey, what's going on?

[Matt Gourley]

I'm going to be doing bits.

[Conan O'Brien]

Doing bits. I'm going to be doing bits and coming back and saying, wouldn't it be funny if.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you. You will get an exorcist. But nothing scary will happen. There'll be no cone, vomiting or head spinning.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'll put my hair up in a bun and it'll just get knocked out.

[Conan O'Brien]

Whenever her hair is in a bun, I knock it loose.

[Kesha]

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a lot of like, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I'll do that. Or Goerli. I'll scratch. Your favorite. He loves to listen to old Kaiser tunes on his 45 player. I've got no birds that jingle. When they jingle, he just puts on old records and he wears a seersucker suit.

[Kesha]

Oh, my God. So cute.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I do do this. I do do this and I'll be scratching. All your records will be scratched. You know what happened?

[Matt Gourley]

Markets that I'm in a ukulele club and same cute.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm assigning him a personality over time, and soon it will become his personality.

[Sona Movsesian]

Little things, like, he'll take things that you have, like, organized, and he'll move them around just a little bit so it'll infuriate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is that what happened? But the thing is, the first person I'm going to go to is Ke.

[Kesha]

Do you better.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's like, yeah, I'm going to go to you first.

[Kesha]

You fucking better.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey, man. Jesus. And I'd be like, I like when you wear my merchandise. It looks so sexy and I can monetize it. What a weird ghost. You're gonna. You know, I'll be the first. I'll be a ghost that has a restraining organ. Kesha. Uh oh, 55ft.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, fault.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I gotta talk about this. You're going out on tour. It's the Tits out tour. And I have got to join you on stage. And I gotta let these cutlets breathe.

[Kesha]

Yes. Let em out, baby.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you enjoying the live performing? I bet. I have a prediction that you're enjoying it now maybe more than ever because you've been through everything.

[Kesha]

I am enjoying everything better now. It's weird when you like, sign away the rights to the one thing you do and have dedicated your life to in perpetuity in the universe and then you get it back. Fucking everything is different. I feel like I'm living in hypercolor. I feel like I'm also like healing in front of the world at the same time. Which is like, like messy. But I just had to make a conscious choice. Like, what do I believe? I believe in being authentic. I believe it's my last lifetime. Like, I really do believe it and so like it. Let's go. And like now everything is so much more fun listening to. I. I couldn't even listen to music for a long time. I have not listened to some songs that were like, particularly unpleasant for me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep.

[Kesha]

And I like last week you would hate this, but I was like dancing around my room naked stuff. No, no, no, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

I like it when you do it.

[Kesha]

Okay. Just not you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, Got it again. I just am there just as a sketch artist.

[Kesha]

But just like crying, being like, these are my children. Like, I've turned my back on my children and like, I love them and I want to play them and the fans want to hear them. And I can't wait to see my fans. And I'm free. There was just a period of time when like I felt. Felt so forgotten by the world. Like 10 years is a long time. And I was also like signed to the people that were suing me. And so like by a year, like nine, I was like, I feel so fucking like nobody cares.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kesha]

It was so isolating and so depressing. And then I get a phone call. Everything looks the same. Ring, ring. In three months time, you will be free. And I'm like, everything just flipped in that minute, like, in that moment, I wrote 200 songs over the course of the next couple of months. Like, just there was, like, color brought back into my life. And now I can't wait to tour. And I'm. All the music that has negative connotation, everything's energy. So, yes, I believe in ghosts. We'll have to circle back on that. But anyways, I'm taking.

[Conan O'Brien]

I didn't even die, but I'm a ghost hanging around your house doing sketches.

[Sona Movsesian]

Alive and well.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm alive and well.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm here to serve you with a ghost subpoena.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, ghost subpoena. Yeah. So, I mean, I am. I am genuinely very happy for you. And it's funny, I have this because I've been doing this for so long and I encounter people and then I see them at different phases in their life and I have this relationship sometimes. And I've said this to many people and you fit the bill as well, where I'm rooting for you because you came and helped me out and gave of your talent on my show and you were always brought great energy and I thought, I'm just so happy to reconnect with you. And this has been really funny and fun and filthy at times and like a little psychotic. No. But also no. And also I'm learning some words here that I didn't know.

[Kesha]

Oh, we love that. It's good you wrote them down.

[Sona Movsesian]

It is. It's good you wrote them down.

[Conan O'Brien]

What happens when this piece of paper is found later on in my pocket? That's when the restraining order gets done. This laundry got sent back and the woman who works there wants to talk to you. Is what rolled up in your.

[Matt Gourley]

Hi, I have Mr. O' Brien's grocery list. I'm wondering if you could help me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Find some of these.

[Matt Gourley]

I understand Irish cutlets, but where are the Cheecha?

[Kesha]

I need two cunties.

[Conan O'Brien]

I need two cunties and a Cheecha, please, to go. Well, I'm really happy for you. The Tits out tour. I'm going to be there, man. I'm going to be there dancing on stage.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, you are.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no. That will hurt you. That will hurt the most.

[Kesha]

No, you must.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no. Your fans will get so mad when I dance out on tour. In the Tits out tour.

[Kesha]

I'm so happy.

[Conan O'Brien]

So into Ke$ha.

[Sona Movsesian]

They won't be happy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Your first independent album, period. This is under your own label, Kesha Records. July 4, 2025. This is your sixth studio album. I'm really happy for you. And thank you so much for bringing me that gorgeous guitar. I'm going to be playing that today and tonight. And thank you, Conan. Merch has never looked cooler.

[Kesha]

Oh, we'll have to take some hot pics and drop it on the grid. Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. I wish I knew what the Graham was picturing it being dropped on. Graham cracker. Kesha wants a photo on a graham cracker. Idiot. I know what the Graham is. He said lying ke$. Thank you so much for being here and for bringing your cool spirit.

[Kesha]

Thanks for always being the fucking best.

[Conan O'Brien]

Geez.

[Kesha]

Deadass.

[Conan O'Brien]

Isn't that Gorly?

[Kesha]

Rick Rubin and Conan o'. Brien. You are one of the best men.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God. That is the first and only time anyone will clump you together with Rick Rubin.

[Kesha]

I think my two favorite men, I.

[Conan O'Brien]

Try and get into a fender bender with him just so that we're named in court together. I'm gonna wait for Rick Rubin to drive by and then just slam into the back of his car. Conor o' Brien struck Rick Rubin see Sona twice. He was driving his Nissan Sentra when he was hit from behind by Conor o'. Brien. All right, Bless you, Kesha. Go forward and do great works.

[Kesha]

Let's party.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Kesha]

Jesus.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

B2B marketing is pretty tough.

[Kesha]

It is.

[Conan O'Brien]

You can craft the perfect campaign, but if it lands in front of the wrong people, it might as well be invisible. Hey, where is it? Where is it? I don't see it. It's invisible. It's like reaching pro gamers instead of programmers. You know what I'm saying?

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Makes a big difference. That's where LinkedIn comes in. Gather around, everybody.

[Kesha]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

LinkedIn's a network of over 1 billion professionals who actually get business on LinkedIn ads. You can target your buyers by job title, industry, company role, seniority, skills, company revenue, and. Did we say job title yet? I guess that's a joke. So stop wasting budget on the wrong audience and start targeting the right professionals with LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn will even give you a $100 credit on your next campaign, so you can try it yourself. Pretty cool. Just go to LinkedIn.com TeamCoco. That's LinkedIn.com TeamCoco. Terms and conditions apply only on LinkedIn ads. Okay, we need to discuss something that just happened moments ago, and this has never happened before on the podcast in five years. We took a break. We had just finished interviewing Kesha. Wonderful time. Really fun.

[Matt Gourley]

Wonderful.

[Conan O'Brien]

She's so funny and fun, and it was revealing and cool and all kinds of stuff. Then we take a break. I remain here and start doodling on my sketchpad. I remain here, too, but.

[Sona Movsesian]

Cause I am.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why don't you tell us what happened, man? Just tell us. It's okay.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, it's really embarrassing. It's not okay at all.

[Matt Gourley]

I had to pee and I went to the bathroom, and I opened the door. It wasn't locked, and Kela was peeing in the bathroom.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you walked in on Ke$ha while she was urinating.

[Matt Gourley]

And she screamed. She screamed, but she did the cutest little.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like this.

[Matt Gourley]

Like an Ewok or something.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I.

[Matt Gourley]

She was very nice about it. And I truly didn't mean to.

[Conan O'Brien]

You said you truly didn't mean to. But I would like to point out that just as you got up from the table, you looked at me and you said, time to watch Kep. And stormed out of the room. And I said, no, no, you did not say that. And this is for the court records. You did not say such a thing.

[Kesha]

Can.

[Sona Movsesian]

Can I say something? The door was closed, and you didn't think about, like, knocking.

[Matt Gourley]

Here's the thing. The door. And there are two doors in that restroom. There's the door, and immediately to the left, there's another door. So I just. Anytime I've ever used that restroom, it's always locked if it's being occupied. So I just wasn't used to it. Are you suggesting that I did that on purpose? I didn't even know she was in there.

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't know. It's not proper bathroom etiquette. If the door is closed, you knock.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm totally with Sona on this. I'm a knocker. Me, too. I always knock.

[Matt Gourley]

I find I just certainly will from here on out.

[Conan O'Brien]

I can tell you that much. Oh, my God. But, I mean, unless it's Kevin. Yeah, it was. We heard shrieking. Yeah, you came running back in. Face beet red. We have a whole bunch of people out there who are watching the podcast. They find out what happened, they're screaming. I mean, it really did sound like a house of murder.

[Sona Movsesian]

It did. Well. And also, I have to admit, because I think it's a very awkward situation for everybody. You came in here, like, I just.

[Kesha]

Walked in on Kesha, and.

[Sona Movsesian]

And then we could have just. You could have ignored it. But you went out there and you apologized. Well, I thought it was a good thing to do. No, I think it's nice, but it also. I don't know. Does that make somebody more uncomfortable or more embarrassed?

[Matt Gourley]

Can I also explain one other thing? I was right on the heels of Eduardo saying, let me just go pee really quickly. I didn't know which one he was in. I thought because this one was unlocked, he was not.

[Conan O'Brien]

Maybe he was trying to. Come again? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. In his defense, he was trying to watch Eduardo urinate. That's right. And accidentally walked in on Sexy KE Doll. Ha. So I. Wait a minute. And just to let people know, here, there are two bathrooms. There's one right next to our studio, and then there's one that is kind of further on down the hall. And so you didn't use the one right next to the studio?

[Matt Gourley]

It was used.

[Conan O'Brien]

How did you know it was used? Because the door was shut.

[Matt Gourley]

I thought, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why didn't you walk away on that one?

[Matt Gourley]

Because I thought Eduardo went into that one. And I thought, no one else is in this other one. Because I knew he went into that one.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know. There's a lot of assumptions here. A lot of assumptions here. There's also something else. The second bathroom is labeled pop star, and the first bathroom is labeled peons that work Here at the show.

[Matt Gourley]

That's an unfortunate pun.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, it is. And no pun intended. And then my bathroom is called Comedic icon and that's on the top floor.

[Matt Gourley]

I just want to refresh us to the interview prior to this where you spent a good five minutes talking about how you wanted to dress like a urinal and have women pee on you, so.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no, no, that's okay. I did not perving on Kesha while she was at the. Excellent.

[Matt Gourley]

That's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no, no, no, no. First of all, this whole thing about me dressing as a urinal wouldn't work on women. That's a flawed concept. So I know you're lying. Oh, that is. I know you're lying. Oh, I'll dress as a urinal and then trap women. Slight flaw with your plan there, Gorly, that you're trying to assign to me. Clearly you've thought this out and I found your sketches and I've seen what you've done. Anyway, I want to assure all of our guests that from now on, Matt Gorley is going to knock.

[Matt Gourley]

I yes, agree.

[Conan O'Brien]

And. And a good idea maybe to lock the bathroom door when Gorly's on the property. When the mad people. When the mad peepers. Here, let's lock things up. You know, can I ask a question? So you know we are on the second floor, Conan, your office and your own personal bathroom is on the third floor. It's not my personal bathroom because I share it with Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross and anyone else who wants to go up there. Well, that's my question is should we so this doesn't happen again, should we assign Gourlay a bathroom? This is the only bathroom you're allowed to. What are you doing? I'm not like defender. You know what we should do? Well, first of all, we want to learn from our mistake. You know what we should learn from our mistakes? First of all, I think Gorly should wear an ankle bracelet for a year and he has to go to every pop star in LA and tell them and knock on their door and tell them if you're urinating in a bathroom near me, I may try and peek in on you. So that's rule number one. Rule number two is we should get one of those outdoor bathrooms and we should put it in our little yard. And that should be just for Gorly.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, like a porta potty.

[Conan O'Brien]

Little porta potty.

[Sona Movsesian]

Like an outhouse.

[Conan O'Brien]

Little outhouse. Porta potty. Oh, you like old timey things. We'll get you an old.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh wait, no, I have a solution. I quit.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Hey, a little win, win, win. A little gorla potty. A gorla potty.

[Matt Gourley]

We did it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen, you can write up rap all you want on a piece of paper, but you just wrote rap now. Oh, my God. Listen, it was an accident. Accidents happen. And I will say if.

[Sona Movsesian]

If you're going to walk in on someone, I feel like Kish is a good person to walk in on. Like, very cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. I walked in four times on Al Pacino. Yeah. And it was like, get the hell out of here. What are you doing? It's the fourth. Hey. He said, I understand. One time. It was the fourth time. I said, it's taking you a long time to pee, Mr. Pacino. What are you on? I'm 94. I'm also played Jim on Taxi. All right, peace out. Love you, Kesha. Bye.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, hold on.

[Matt Gourley]

Before we go, actually, this just in. If you'd like to get the Same retro Conan O' Brien t shirt Ke$ha.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is wearing in this interview, just go.

[Matt Gourley]

To podswag.com Conan got it. Conan O' Brien needs a friend with Conan O' Brien. Sonam of Session and Matt Gourley produced by me, Matt Gourley executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross and Nick Leow. Theme song by the White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair and our associate talent producer is Jennifer Samples. Engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Bautista and Brit Kahn. You can rate and review Review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? Call the Team Coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode. You can also get three free months of SiriusXM when you sign [e-mail] Conan and if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O' Brien needs a friend. Wherever fine podcasts are downloading of these.

[Kesha]

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Who doesn't love Oprah, and who doesn't want more of her? It's Kelly Riva here. And I recently interviewed the legend, the icon, the queen Oprah on my podcast, let's Talk Off Camera with Kelly Ripple. We discussed what she did when she first came into money, if she ever suffers from fomo, being neighbors with the royals, when she knew it was time to leave the Oprah Show. And she gave me some sound advice as to whether or not it's time for me to retire from my own talk show. So what are you doing? Go check out my episode with Oprah Winfrey by listening to let's Talk Off Camera with Kelly Ripa. Wherever you get your podcasts.