Lisa Kudrow Returns Again

Summary

Podcast Summary: Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend – “Lisa Kudrow Returns Again”

Release Date: March 16, 2026
Host: Conan O’Brien
Guests: Lisa Kudrow, Sona Movsesian, David Hoppins (Matt Gourley on paternity leave)

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Episode Overview

In this warm, comedic, and notably meta episode, Conan reunites with his longtime friend and collaborator Lisa Kudrow to talk about friendship, improv roots, the legacy of The Comeback, and how show business has changed over the decades. The conversation oscillates between playful roasting, insightful reflections on artistic resilience, behind-the-scenes stories, and philosophical musings about ambition, rejection, and optimism. Sona Movsesian and David Hoppins join the fun, with banter on everything from organizational systems to nostalgia for 1980s improv classes and current pop-cultural phenomena.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Unique Dynamic between Conan and Lisa (09:27–11:09; 43:03–44:55)

• Longstanding Friendship: Conan and Lisa reminisce about meeting in the 1980s, starting out in improv, and how their relationship lofts between personal friendship and public encounters.
• Meta Nature of the Podcast: Both reference how strange it feels to formalize their off-mic friendship in the podcast format.

“It's so funny when it's formalized this way a little bit... It just always feels strange when I say, hey, my guest today is Lisa Kudrow. Because we had dinner last week.” – Conan O’Brien (10:14)

2. The Comeback: Evolution, Satire, and Endurance (11:41–29:57; 33:19–37:14)

• The Show’s Origin: Lisa reflects on The Comeback's early satire of reality and celebrity culture, debuting before the explosion of reality TV and social media influencers.
• Character Nuance: Lisa discusses Valerie Cherish’s blend of resilience and obliviousness. Conan analyzes the character’s forced optimism as a mirror for survival in show business.

“Valerie Cherish is valiantly unaware... She knows that this isn't all going your way. And you're so thirsty. You really want to win that Emmy.” – Conan (15:17)

• Empathy & Critique: The cast discuss why some viewers (even Lisa’s husband) struggle to watch Valerie’s humiliation, and the fine line the character walks between victim and survivor.
• Industry Truths: Lisa reveals that the infamous character “Pauly G” was based on real archetypes in writers’ rooms, highlighting power imbalances and personal grudges in entertainment.

Notable Quote

“What she's doing is like, that's okay. Like, that's her mantra... I am rejecting the rejection or the insult and turning it into something she needs, that I need.” – Lisa Kudrow (18:23)

• Show’s Cult Status & Delayed Recognition: Despite tough initial reviews and cancellation, the series built a dedicated following over time, leading to subsequent seasons a decade apart.

“It’s so great that we didn’t get picked up that first season, because it gets to be about something.” – Lisa Kudrow (21:38)

• Real-Life Fan Stories: Lisa shares that David Bowie requested copies of The Comeback on tour—an anecdote underscoring its underground reach (27:12).

3. Navigating Rejection and Success in Show Business (29:35–32:28; 40:09–42:12)

• Handling Disappointment: Lisa expresses pride in her work on The Comeback and didn't take early rejection personally, only feeling the sting much later in unexpected ways.
• Gender and Satire: They debate whether mocking female vulnerability on TV is harder for audiences to accept compared to mocking men, with Sona and Lisa pointing out that resilience in the industry is both a necessity and survival mechanism.

“I never felt like, oh, I'm a woman and so I don’t get to… This isn't gender-specific ambition or hopes and dreams. So it didn’t occur to me that it would be an issue at all. And I think it kind of was, that it was a woman.” – Lisa Kudrow (32:34)

• Shifting TV Landscape: Conan observes Lisa’s unique place having starred in both a megahit communal series (Friends) and a cult comedy that found its audience post-cancellation.

4. Improv Roots, Artistic Vulnerability, and Comedy Philosophy (43:03–51:21)

• Improv War Stories: Lisa and Conan roast each other for their younger artistic pretensions—especially Conan’s physical reactions to hacky acting—and share horror stories about improv warm-up games.

“You just need a tarp that they put over a barbecue outdoors… you just need one that you put over me so that they couldn’t see that I wanted to die.” – Conan (45:08)

• Acting & Commitment: Lisa praises Conan’s commitment on stage, noting that acting is about listening and responding authentically, not technique.

“You can act because you know how to listen and read, respond. Isn’t that all it is?” – Lisa Kudrow (50:15)

5. Personal Evolution and Parenting (51:21–58:42)

• Changing with Age: Lisa and Sona note that Conan is less tightly wound than in his youth, a change Conan attributes to fatherhood and simply maturing.

“So much of being young is being narcissistic… And then once my daughter showed up, and then later my son, I remember instantly knowing, oh, yeah, I don't count anymore. I'm not. I get it. And liking it.” – Conan O’Brien (58:27)

• Lisa’s Smoking Admission: Lisa jokingly recounts starting smoking to cope with giant flying water bugs at Harvard, showing the quirky anxieties of youth (53:03).

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Memorable Quotes & Lighter Moments

The Butt Code for Calendars (03:59)

“Two butts means I got to get into the podcast. Three butts means I've got to go see my orthopedic surgeon.” – Conan O'Brien
Sona and Conan riff on her unique "butt code" calendar system, for organizing appointments with juvenile doodles.

Roasting Each Other’s Improv Struggles (46:43)

“I made the sound of a siren. I said, oh, I think someone got hurt somewhere. We better go inside. Oh, the cops are coming. We better clear out.” – Conan (47:51)

Friendships in Show Business (59:06)

“I love you. You're one of my favorite people in the history of the world.” – Conan O’Brien
“Yeah, you are. Mine too.” – Lisa Kudrow

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Noteworthy Segments with Timestamps

• Lisa on being Conan’s friend: (01:28–01:49)
• Calendar conversation & the “Butt Code”: (02:50–04:25)
• On The Comeback and Valerie Cherish: (11:41–20:25)
• David Bowie as a fan of The Comeback: (27:12–28:07)
• Lisa on optimism and resilience: (18:02–18:52)
• On performing to empty rooms in their improv days: (43:03–44:55)
• Sona asks about their personal growth: (51:21–54:57)
• Lisa admits to being an ex-smoker: (52:11–54:57)
• Conan on parenthood mellowing him: (58:27–58:42)

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Tone & Style

The episode is filled with uninhibited humor, warmth, and open self-deprecation. There are moments of absurdity—such as discussions of indecipherable calendar marks or misused Las Vegas concert venues—juxtaposed with genuine affection and deeply insightful commentary on the pain and perseverance of creative life. Regular tangents and playful teasing contribute to an atmosphere of genuine camaraderie. The tone stays light, nimble, and affectionate, evoking the feeling of old friends catching up in front of an audience.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for both its infectious playfulness and its honest exploration of professional and personal vulnerability. Lisa Kudrow’s and Conan O'Brien’s chemistry, accumulated stories, and introspective takes offer listeners both hearty laughs and an unusually intimate window into lasting creative friendship—punctuated with discussions about ambition, resilience, and the enduring weirdness of showbiz.

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Recommended Listening Timestamps:

• [11:41] Lisa & Conan on The Comeback’s real-life resonance
• [18:23] Lisa on resilience and character
• [27:12] David Bowie fan story
• [43:03] Improv beginnings & Conan’s brutal honesty
• [51:21] Reflections on personal change

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For More

Watch for the new season of The Comeback on HBO and see Lisa Kudrow continue to bring nuance to Valerie Cherish’s indomitable (if quixotic) optimism.

Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

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[David Hoppins]

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[Lisa Kudrow]

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[Sona Movsesian]

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[Lisa Kudrow]

Hi, my name is Lisa Kudrow, and I feel still really good about being Conan o'. Brien.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is a day to day thing with you.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Every day I take a walk and then I go, wait. How do you feel about being Conan o' Brien's friend?

[Sona Movsesian]

Fall is here Hear the yell Back to school Ring the bell Brand new shoes Walk and loose Climb the fence Books and pens I can tell that we are gonna be

[Conan O'Brien]

I can tell

[Sona Movsesian]

that we are gonna be friends.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey there. Welcome to Conan o'. Brien. Needs a friend. Joined by. Well, no Matt Gorley right now. He's still out on paternity leave. Yeah, it's been six years now that he's been on paternity leave. This child just joined the army. Good to have you here. David Hoppins.

[David Hoppins]

Great to be here.

[Conan O'Brien]

And Sona Obsession, of course. As always. You, you were late today. We just taped an interview that you weren't here for. What happened was a little bit of a snafu.

[Sona Movsesian]

There was a little bit of the snafu.

[Conan O'Brien]

What happened there?

[Sona Movsesian]

It wasn't in my calendar. So if it's not, I'm like, you know, if it's not there, I don't know it's happening.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is this a physical thing you write in physical calendar.

[Lisa Kudrow]

What do you mean?

[Sona Movsesian]

Like I have a calendar and I write in it with my, like a

[Conan O'Brien]

pen it's got, like, you know, a fireman with no shirt on, you know?

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, like a calendar.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's the kind of calendar I picture you having. You probably like a sexy guy calendar.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, it's a digital one, but then there's other calendars that get sent that do have it on there, and I didn't pay attention to those.

[Conan O'Brien]

There was a show about male dancers that you were obsessed with.

[Sona Movsesian]

They weren't dancers.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, they were gigolos.

[Lisa Kudrow]

They were jigalos.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're obsessed with jigos. Did you have a gigolo calendar back in the day?

[Sona Movsesian]

I did have a gigolo calendar and every month.

[Conan O'Brien]

And see, this is why I asked you. I picture you having, like, a gigolo calendar or a shirtless fireman calendar or now a heated rivalry calendar.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes, baby.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then the problem is you get so distracted by the hunks that you don't write things down every time you go, oh, I'll write down. I've got to be in there for that interview for the podcast. And then you look up, and it's one of the shirtless hunks from heated rivalry, and you go. And then you forget, and you just write blither, blather, bluther. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Or I just drool all over it,

[Conan O'Brien]

and you draw butts on the calendar.

[Sona Movsesian]

I draw. Oh, my God. I draw butts.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But maybe.

[Sona Movsesian]

Maybe that's my system for putting things in my calendar.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Two butts means I got to get into the podcast. Three butts means I've got to go see my. My orthopedic surgeon.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes. It's a. It's my butt butt code.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

It's the butt code for my calendar. Look, but then also today.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then you use different things. There's some butts. There's some penises.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Six butts and two penises is. Mikey and Charlie need to get their shots? This is her system. The ancient Incas used knotted string instead of recorded language, and it worked fine. Sona uses a series of butts and dicks in a certain order. And, I mean, when you published your version of King Lear, it was fantastic.

[Sona Movsesian]

People are gonna look at my calendars thousands of years from now, and they're gonna be relics of butts and penises. And then people are going to worship.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And realize that it exactly. It exactly explains the solar system and the movements of the sun.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes. Yeah, I. I think so. I think it's a very special system. Anyway, so I went to a workout class this morning.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anyway, aside from my ancient Incan or Aztec Calendar of butts and dicks.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Onward. Yes.

[Sona Movsesian]

So Butts and dicks calendar. Then I went. I went to work out this morning, and I was driving somewhere, and then I got a. A text from Blay, which is one of the scary texts to get when you work. He's like, where are you? What's your eta? And I'm like, oh, I'm supposed to be somewhere right now. And then I called and I found out, but I look like you're you.

[Conan O'Brien]

You look like you went to the gym.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes. Look at me. Look at my hair.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think you look great. What's the problem?

[David Hoppins]

Shut up.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no. I mean.

[Sona Movsesian]

I mean, thank you. No, I feel like I'm. I'm really wishing you didn't have so many subscribers on YouTube right now.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, so here's the thing. I want to know what your workout is, because in the whole time I've known you, you've never said to me, I'm off to the gym for my workout.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

You've never done that.

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't.

[Conan O'Brien]

So what do you. What do you do? What is a workout?

[Sona Movsesian]

Today was the first workout I went to.

[Conan O'Brien]

I didn't know that. Yeah. This is gold. I'm a prosecutor who just happened to ask a question, and you said, well, when I purchased the murder weapon and committed the murder, I thought today would be the day. That today was your first day where.

[David Hoppins]

Where?

[Sona Movsesian]

I did a spin class at SoulCycle in Pasadena. Shout out. Give me. No, don't give me some. I'm probably not going to go back. I was really?

[Conan O'Brien]

You are not going back.

[David Hoppins]

Really?

[Sona Movsesian]

I suffered throughout the entire thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, so also, I picture you, like, yelling back at any instructor if they say, okay, now, ladies, let's go. No, we're going up a hill now. You're like, fudge this. I'm not going up a hill.

[Sona Movsesian]

I was saying it under my breath. I was like, shut up, bitch.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Shut up.

[Sona Movsesian]

As she was talking and telling, you're

[Conan O'Brien]

not allowed to yell at the instructor. Yeah, I'll cut a bitch.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I. But I wanted to. And the whole time I was like, this is stupid. Why am I doing this? I want to watch tv. What am I doing? Why am I doing? Like I was taught. I had an internal monologue that was so not what you should have when you're in a workout class. I hated every second.

[Conan O'Brien]

Did you have. Were you. While you're working out, is there a big container of Red Vines in front of you that you're eating while you're

[Sona Movsesian]

yeah, like six calories out. Like 12 calories in.

[David Hoppins]

Someone's feeding it to her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah. You bring in a Red vine person to feed you Red Vines. Well, I'm glad you're here.

[Sona Movsesian]

And, yeah, I'm sorry I missed the interview.

[Conan O'Brien]

Don't be sorry. I mean, yeah, you would have had fun.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

But I know I liked who you interviewed, and so I'm bummed.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm sure I'll interview, you know, Barack and Michelle Obama again.

[David Hoppins]

It was share.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And share. It was Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, and Cher.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, and the Survivors. Drivers of the band Queen. But you know what we'll do?

[Sona Movsesian]

You'll come to the guy, John Deacon included. And he doesn't even do anything with the band anymore.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what? Everyone was here. It was really fun, but you wouldn't have loved it.

[David Hoppins]

I took your seat.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Oh, and this great hummus place sent in some food. But next time that happens, we'll.

[Sona Movsesian]

Everyone's laughing it up. The hummus place, huh, guys? You like that one? I hate everybody in this room.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is hilarious. When I introduce this guest, it just always cracks me up because we've been friends literally forever. And. And she is one of my absolute favorite people in the entire universe. She stars as Valerie Cherish in season three of the hilarious HBO series the Comeback, which people are so psyched for this.

[David Hoppins]

So excited.

[Conan O'Brien]

So psyched for it. She is one of my closest friends. I adore her, and I love when she comes on the podcast. Lisa Kudrow, welcome. Welcome. I mean, we've known each other forever. Yeah. And got started together, as everyone knows, in improv in 86. And it's still a day to day thing with you. I never know. I never know. Am I still good with. There have been whole years where I've been out, but at the moment, I'm in, which is fine. And we'll see how it goes.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's not true. It's the other way around.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I know.

[Lisa Kudrow]

What? Where'd that come from?

[Conan O'Brien]

Look, in the 2000s, I just turned on you. No, we were just. It's funny because, I mean, you came in here and you started being really funny and we're just laughing and we hadn't even turned on the microphones yet. And it just always feels strange when I say, hey, my guest today is Lisa Kudrow. Because we had dinner last week. Yeah. With my wife Liza. And you and Michelle could not be there because he refuses to dine with me now.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

He was out of town. I know. He Was out of town. We're just trying to start trouble.

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, thanks. Yeah. Anyway.

[Conan O'Brien]

But, yeah, we had a blast. And so it's so funny when it's formalized this way a little bit. And it used to be worse. Not worse. Cause you were always great. But when I would say when I had a band and it was on TV and they'd be like, all right, here she comes, Lisa. Ba da ba ba da da da. And you'd come out and, you know, the dress, and I'm bowing to you and then getting behind my seat, and I would just flash back to you and I in a Dupars diner in the late 80s going, here's a funny idea for a skit.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, we both got to get back to our day jobs, so it's.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Your day job was writing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. At least I had a. I had a decent. Yeah, yeah. And you were slinging hash at the headache clinic. At the headache clinic, which was given. Why were you slinging hash at a headache clinic?

[Lisa Kudrow]

I don't know. You said slinging hash. I wanted to be a good improviser.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, that was good. That was good. Now it's a very funny scene.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Hash slinging, headache clinic.

[Conan O'Brien]

Exactly. Yeah. I'm delighted that you're here. People get very excited when you come. Huge fans here. And so Paula Davis, who we were just talking about before the mics came on, who's been with me forever, who's our booker. She is vibrating for, I would say, a month now. Talking to me about the Comeback and the new season of the Comeback.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's what she was telling me.

[Conan O'Brien]

She's doing a rewatch, but she's not the only one. I have so many friends that are telling me the Comeback, and because they know that you and I go way back, people are asking me questions about it. I don't know anything.

[Lisa Kudrow]

A lot of people from my life couldn't watch seasons one and two. They couldn't handle it.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was tough.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And I think probably for you, even though you're too supportive to say it, but my husband hasn't seen them. Do you know that?

[Conan O'Brien]

Really? I didn't know that.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Michelle has not seen all of season one or all season three also.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think that's really sweet. I watched both of them and thought it was brilliantly funny. But because I'm such good friends with you and care about you, it's hard. It's hard.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I just don't even know what anyone is talking about with that. I can't.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'll tell you specifically.

[Lisa Kudrow]

It makes Me nervous that something's wrong with my version of reality. Because you're not the only one. It's like because they're so humiliated for her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, you play it. And everyone here is. You play it so brilliantly. Close to the bone. And for me, anyway, there was the character of the writer, Pauly G. Who is just so mean. And that actor did such a great job. Yeah. In season one, he was so good at being a type of writer. I know, right. And it made me. But you know, not supporting you at all, you know, making. Just wearing away your confidence and so much anger and bringing so many of his own issues to that situation that. Because, I don't know, I've been in that world. It was hard. It was hard. Just like I told you, I wanted to like fight him at one point I said I don't want to meet him because I think I want to hit him with a two by four.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[David Hoppins]

And.

[Conan O'Brien]

Poor guy, he's a lovely guy and a terrific actor, but he needs a beating because.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But listen, I mean. Cause we had a writer's room the first season and every one of them knew that guy, so we weren't making him up. And the thing is, is that to me, it was really obvious that this guy thought he was having a promising career. We hear that he was a Simpsons writer, he won an Emmy and now he has this show. And then the network tells him, no, it has to be this. Oh, and by the way, just to hedge our bets, there's a companion reality show and. And that would be enraging to any showrunner. And he is particularly asshole. Ish. Right. And has whatever feelings he has about her. Cause she is annoying, she is sort of phony. And what do you do with that? And just shut up. Right, right, right. That's been a solid five minutes of me monologuing, by the way. But to me it was really obvious, like what he's pissed off about and.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, no, no, that's fair. I just. There's a.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And he's punishing her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But did she seem punished?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, she's.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Sona says no.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, she's like blissfully, almost.

[Conan O'Brien]

I wouldn't say blissfully. I would say Valerie Cherish is valiantly unaware. Yay. Valiantly unaware. But also, I think one of the reasons she's that way is she's not completely oblivious. She knows that she's hanging by a thread in this business. She knows that. And you play it so well. Excruciatingly optimistic in a way, that's so forced because you know that this isn't all going your way. And you're so thirsty. You really wanna win that Emmy. You really wann. What's amazing to me is that it really does capture something you see out here. You see it out here all the time is the big forced smile. I can't tell you how many times I pass a billboard and I see a big smiling face of someone who's saying, it's all great, right? And I know that person's miserable. I know they are. I've met them. I know. You know, and I see those faces all over the place. Because so many people aren't happy in themselves. Do you know what I mean? And so the smile gets bigger. And that's what you see a lot of. And I think Valerie Cherish is like the best character in my opinion, that captures something that exists out here. And I do have a lot of empathy for her, but I also think she's not Peter Sellers as Clouseau. She's not someone who's oblivious. No, things are. Fires are. You know, she knows that, oh, here's the paparazzi. They're not shooting her, they're shooting someone she used to work with. She's trying to get to her, they're stepping on her feet. She knows that it's not going her way and she's pushing herself through the crowd.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, I just realized I just might be really mean. Cause that just made me laugh.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, it's funny. No, it is bad for her.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I mean, I bad for her. Yeah. But it hasn't, like. Yeah, I don't.

[Conan O'Brien]

But it's this. It's a. I don't know, it's a really fun.

[Lisa Kudrow]

For me, she's. What she's doing is like, that's okay. Like that's her mantra is it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. That's what it takes, you know, like it doesn't matter. And then. Cause first I was just making fun of her. Season one, to me, yes, I am mean. And I was making fun of that. And after we were done, I had a friend. And she's smart, this woman. Her name's Mirage. She's really great. And she was saying, oh, but no. And she's Irish, so I don't know, maybe you know her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Of course.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah,

[Conan O'Brien]

I see her at the meetings, the community. Once we reach for the same potato at the bowl. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh my God, it happens.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. There's just a bowl of taters there.

[Lisa Kudrow]

There was a fight, but she said no. Isn't she wonderful. She's just, you know, she's so. You can't keep her down.

[Conan O'Brien]

No. Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

There's no one more resilient. No, she's wonderful. She's the strongest person I think I've ever seen. And I just went, huh? And then realized, yeah, Because I don't feel bad playing her. I don't feel decimated when I'm playing her, because I am rejecting the rejection or the insult and turning it into something that she needs, that I need.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, she doesn't say no ever.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

She says, if they say, okay, now you've got a. You know, for this, I'm making this up. But if in the new season, they said, okay, to promote this next project, we're gonna. You need to be covered in duct tape, and we're gonna put bunny ears on you, and you have to hop down Hollywood Boulevard. You'd be like, all right, well, okay, you know, I mean, you. This is what we're doing. I guess this is what the kids want to see. Now, I don't get it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

But you would do it in 120 degree heat.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And probably pass out. But she is intrepid. She's brave. I don't know. And just.

[Lisa Kudrow]

She wants what she wants. And whether you think that's a worthwhile goal is another issue. But, yeah, she doesn't give up. And there's something. I guess we like that.

[Conan O'Brien]

So here's something about that.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I don't know. All of a sudden, like, Lindsey Vaughn flashed in my head, you know, like, everyone likes a come. No, because I was thinking, why is she doing this? You know? And then like, well, everyone likes a comeback and everyone likes that. But I went, ugh. I don't know. It seems dangerous.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then this just happened over the weekend. I don't know when this comes out, but Lindsey Vonn crashed, and I think she fractured her leg.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yes. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

But there is the reality to, you know, she was really brave to make that attempt. But you're right. There's a high level of. There's a slim chance this will work out.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

But that's what makes a comeback so incredible, the odds against it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And you can't have a comeback or do that if you're not just being optimistic and hopeful. Hopeful against all odds. Against, like, with, like, presented right in front of your face. I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. We do this every 10 years.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. This is what I wanted to talk about, you know, but this is the thing. This is what I love what's so unique about this show is I think the first one is 2004 or something. 2004 and came out in five. Yeah. And you were kind of. I mean it's. I think it's two years or something before Keeping up with the Kardashians. It's like this is. You were doing a satire of something that hadn't, I don't think really formed yet.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

Then you come back 10 years later and now. Which then commented on that moment. And I think few people would have the patience or the nerve to say these come out once every 10 years. But it's really cool because now I have not seen a second of the third season. But the idea that you can now drop in again a decade later, it's very unusual.

[Lisa Kudrow]

It is, isn't it?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. But I'm so. It's so great that we didn't get picked up that first season because it gets to be about something.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. Were you surprised when it didn't get picked up?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh yeah, I was surprised, yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Why were you surprised?

[Conan O'Brien]

Just cause it was really good.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Thanks.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you think, well, this will now get picked up.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Of course. I've been wrong about these things before. I've had my own experiences. But.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know. But I think you've only had an easy time.

[David Hoppins]

You're right.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You and your privilege.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know. Never a bump. Never a bump in the road, Man. Tax time, tax season. It's stressful.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

And the old way of doing taxes was such a pan that gave you a shoebox with your receipts.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yep.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're scared, you're nervous, you're like, when did I buy this? You know the April 15th tax deadline will be here before you know it. It's coming fast. Doing taxes used to mean sitting in a waiting room, handing over a pile of papers and then staring across a desk for while someone berates you.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[David Hoppins]

That's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[David Hoppins]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, yeah. The supermarket is where all the fans of the Comeback are.

[David Hoppins]

They are.

[Conan O'Brien]

They are. They're there. They're there in the produce lane. And you're there like, what about those melons? And you're like, I don't know. Hey, the Comeback. But I go to a lot of supermarkets. But you must have had that experience where you're hearing from people. I love that. And so you didn't hear that necessarily from the, you know, the people that made the show or broadcast the show, but you knew. I'm hearing from way too many people.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Well, even when it was. When we were on, we heard David Bowie got in touch with HBO because he was gonna be on tour. He didn't wanna miss anything. So send him, wow, whatever, 2005 DVDs or whatever it is. Look, I'm looking like. I don't know. We don't remember.

[Conan O'Brien]

Then you find out the other shows David Bowie wanted.

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, he wanted.

[Conan O'Brien]

I didn't get the latest Fear Factor where they eat shit. Can you have that one, please? You're like, david.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And then we felt like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Hbo. That's all they need to hear. Probably. And, you know, we had a lot of bad reviews because people didn't understand what they were seeing.

[David Hoppins]

Right.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And then by the time, halfway through, there were revised reviews, like retractions and.

[Conan O'Brien]

Which is pretty rare.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And also our ratings, we were doing as well, if not better than Entourage when its first season was just the year before and went, all right, so great. And who else has shows that you don't. You've not seen this before, you don't really understand, and then you get to know what it is and embrace it. And it's great hbo. Except they kept telling us, yeah, we're not. Hbo is not HBO anymore. So I don't know. It's really gotta. I don't know. We'll see. I don't know. And then it turns out I only found out a couple years ago. There was one guy at HBO that I don't know if I ever even met him in charge, who was just like, we're not going to pick that up. Right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But I have to say, yes, it was a surprise that we didn't get picked up, but I didn't feel bad. And I was in shock that I didn't feel bad because I thought, well, look, this is about the best I can do. And I think we did it about the best that it could be done. So I've got nothing to feel bad about. It's not my mistake.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

So I don't know. I didn't feel bad.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that's. I'm glad. Yeah, you should have felt a little bad.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I'm just sorry I felt bad later when I.

[Conan O'Brien]

As long as you felt bad at some point.

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, I did.

[Conan O'Brien]

Good.

[David Hoppins]

Good.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, no, don't worry.

[Conan O'Brien]

Good.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, I felt bad. No, no. Like gut wrenching a hole in my.

[Conan O'Brien]

In your soul.

[Lisa Kudrow]

In my soul.

[Conan O'Brien]

Good.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And my soul's.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's necessary for good work. It is. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. You'll have it one day, Sona.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Will I? But here's the thing. It wasn't because it was canceled. It was because someone else. It was Bill Maher talking about something and jokes that don't land because, like, one joke and it was famous. I don't remember someone making fun of someone who's marginalized or, you know, like a victim. And he was saying, look, you wanna make fun of white men, you can make fun of white men all you want, okay? Cause they've got the power, but don't make fun of that person or that thing. And I went, women are still, you know, you can't make Fun of women in that way. Like, you can't. Oh, no, they're too easily recognized as victims if they're. And I went, no, I never thought

[Conan O'Brien]

of it that way. I mean, because so much great comedy. I mean.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. Women, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lucille Ball, you know, Tina Fey, so many great. On and on and on, have made fun of themselves as women. And it's brilliant, you know?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yes. But, Val, this wasn't the same. This was a man being cruel to her. And I thought, no, it's a writer, you know, giving a hard time to an actress. Like, why is that a big shock and horror? I mean, that's one. What do you think? What do you think actors and especially actresses have put up with forever, you know, and haven't. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway. No, but you proved me wrong. I take it back. I'll never say it again. I get it. No, I get it.

[Sona Movsesian]

I get what she's saying.

[Conan O'Brien]

What do you give us your input here, Sona?

[Sona Movsesian]

I just think. I actually think it's part of the reason why she was so. Just kind of like, okay, just taking it is because she's used to it. I mean, that's how it's always been.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right. It's not gonna change. Exactly. So you've gotta, like, here's. Here are the boundaries.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And so you just work within them, around them, you know, that's all.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And I mean, look, I don't know if it's because I've. I don't know if it's. I never felt like, oh, I'm a woman. And so, you know, I don't get to. I don't know. I mean, on some level. Yes. Especially with this, it just didn't occur to me. It's like, this isn't gender specific ambition or hopes and dreams. So it didn't occur to me that it would be an issue at all. And I think it kind of was, that it was a woman.

[Conan O'Brien]

But now when you come back 10 years later and you do the second season, did you feel more assured that I really know who this character is? I know there's a lot of fans, people are excited for us to return. Did it feel different?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Kind of. I mean, it's a little scarier because then there's expectations. And what Michael Patrick King and I Knew was, It's 10 years later, she's 10 years older, and it's gonna be. It has to be different. And, you know, and then I just thought it was great that we had her win the Emmy for A performance she couldn't even appreciate in herself because she was stuck on how tired she looked in the scene. And I liked that a lot for her. And then, of course, the huge thing is that she, you know, leaves the Emmys that you hosted. Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I got paid.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, you did? I told them you didn't have to get paid.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That makes me mad.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. It was validated parking. That was my payment. Yeah. But I needed to say.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I'm kidding.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's disturbing when you'll say something like, yeah, and I hope something horrible happens to you, Conan. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Chills me more. Oh, okay. Well. Cause it could be real, it could be true.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I'm explaining in the joke.

[Conan O'Brien]

So I was really.

[David Hoppins]

Yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was really sad about the character of Mickey.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

The actor who plays your.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And the actor, Mickey. Robert Michael Morris.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And he was such a. So terrific. And he completely nailed this kind of person that we all know, especially in this business, someone who's been with you a long time is in your corner, and it's just all you were getting was, you know, undiluted support from him.

[David Hoppins]

But.

[Conan O'Brien]

And of course, he's not perfect, but I just. I was very obviously sad, you know, that he had passed. And that character is just kind of note perfect, I think.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right. Yes, he is. And also biting his tongue. Like, we had so many takes. He was sort of a little bit of a reality check. Sometimes when she's saying something and you're wondering, like, that's stupid. Right. And then you, like, they switch over to Mickey, who's looking confused, or why'd she say that?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, he was great. Yeah. And that was a horrible loss. I mean, I couldn't even think about doing more for a really long time. Cause we'd been talking about it and, you know, knew that it might be possible, you know, to do more. But no, it took me a really long time to get over Mickey. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, he was great. And, you know, he wasn't. He was sick when we were shooting that season, and when our first day we were. We had to walk back and forth a lot somewhere. I don't know. And he had to sit down. He said, I don't know if I can do this. And Michael Patrick King, you know, who knew him from college, that was his college acting teacher. And he came over and he just said, you can do it. Of course you can do it. And I said, yeah, and whatever you need. And he got. Over the course of shooting, he got better and better. And better. And his doctors said, what are you doing? Because everything's good. Like, the disease is not progressing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Whoa. We don't. What are you doing? So I don't. It's that stuff. I love hearing stories about that happening, which.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cause we don't understand it, but it makes 100% we believe it. I believe there have been times where I haven't felt well, and then I've gone out and done a show for a really big audience at a theater or something, and I feel great afterwards. And you think, okay, this is adrenaline, but it's also community. I got my people around me. I'm getting all this positivity. You're getting this bath that is very, you know, life saving.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's. It's so. I totally understand that.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. I. Right. I mean, we. Look, if Covid taught us anything. Well, it taught us a lot of things, but to me, one of them was, boy, our immune systems are. Everyone's is different. And wow, it seems like what activates it and what, you know, what helps it along. And how much of wellness is immune system. And then other things. And we don't know. To me, it just meant, oh, that's right. We don't know most everything about our bodies and our universe, and we don't know a lot.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I get most of it, but. Okay, I'm sorry, I just.

[Sona Movsesian]

Do you know he does understand that stuff?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I do.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, okay. Can you explain anything about these?

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't think you would understand. Okay, I'm sorry. But you know what I mean, it's just the level.

[Sona Movsesian]

Do I know what you mean?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I'm just thinking on like. I'm thinking in like the ninth dimension, you know, so there's only so much I can do for you people.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what's interesting?

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just, I'm sorry, I'm a little bit honest. And then. Oh, it's all this, by the way.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I mean, I think Conan is so smart that he could explain physics.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, not physics. Physics. I don't understand.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You don't?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I really don't.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Did you ever take physics?

[Conan O'Brien]

No. I mean, I did in high school, but I, I, you know when they start saying, oh, time is a relative? Well, I, of course I understand that. I'm the one who explained it to Einstein.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

But no, there's so much I don't understand.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That is, I believed that. Oh, okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Very humbling.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That was you?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Went back in time and he was like, who is this man, what are you doing in my patent office? Hey, E equals MC squared, buddy. And grow out a mustache. And then I zip back the muscle. Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Anyway, that's Conan, you guys.

[Sona Movsesian]

Your accent was spot on.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that was Einstein.

[Sona Movsesian]

Can I hear it again?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm trying to work in the patent office.

[Lisa Kudrow]

There we go.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I think. Who's this Irish lady? I'm a dude, man. You look like Jane Lynch. Shut up.

[David Hoppins]

He knew Jean.

[Conan O'Brien]

C squared.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Time is relative.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

He just tried to explain it to.

[David Hoppins]

I don't even know.

[Conan O'Brien]

So here's an interesting thing about you, is that you've experienced this real. This real victory in this space with the Comeback, but you also got to experience that failure. Oh, no, no.

[Lisa Kudrow]

What if that's where you were going? That would be great.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. Yes. You. I don't know what you were doing before the Comeback. It just didn't pop. Whatever it was. No, my point being that you, with friends, you could arguably say you got to be in the last giant communal TV mega hit that no one at the time realized. This is maybe the last of these where everyone's gonna watch this show, and it's a cultural touchstone. And this is where we all are, watching these people go through this life that was such a phenomenon. And very few people get to be in the nose cone of that rocket. And you've had both very different experiences. But the success you're having now is the success of this new way of experiencing tv as opposed to the massive. You know, it's Cheers level, Happy Days massive. And I'm just curious, like, you've experienced them both, and I don't think a lot of people have. That's gotta be an unusual to have both of those.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay,

[Conan O'Brien]

that's all. You don't need to comment.

[Sona Movsesian]

Don't you feel like a cult hit? Cause that's what I feel like.

[Conan O'Brien]

But also, it's a different. It's a very. It's. It's a great piece of work that is. That fits this new medium really well, in my opinion, which is.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay. I just try to understand. Cause what do you mean, time's relative? Yeah. All right. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

See, a guy's on a train and he's passing a station. Now, what if someone on the station throws an orange?

[Lisa Kudrow]

See, that's. That's what I'm hearing simultaneously while you're talking about the other thing. Cause time folds.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cause you're existing. Yeah. You're on both folds of the time.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, right. Okay. And you get what I'm saying? And. Hi, I'M Lisa.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm also at that point in my life now, too. I'm traveling. I'm existing on this plane in 2026, but I'm also right now in 1986, and I'm buying tons of Lisa Kudrow stock. And now I'm r.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Exciting. When I went public,

[Conan O'Brien]

I made a killing. You know, some of you started buying Lisa when friends hit the air, but not me. I was there in the olden days when we were in a weird basement doing improv for absolutely nobody. I think that one night, we had one person in the. It was a rat. And they had good suggestions, but they were the same suggestions. Virulent disease, rat. You said that already.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You were so mad at me. It felt like there were days we were doing this, and you were just looking at me like, why are we doing this?

[Conan O'Brien]

Like, what did you make this show? We were in a. Performing in a theater that was at the bottom of the Scientology center, and no one would come in. And there was one person. I think one night, there was one or two people in a theater that. And we did our show anyway. We were like, we're gonna. The real pros perform. Even when there's one or two people. Let's go. And then afterwards, I was just embittered.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, yeah, you were. That's rough.

[Conan O'Brien]

And she was my. You know, so honest. Elise is always super honest with me, and I just. She would. When I would be down or if someone was doing performances that were hacky, I would put my head in my hands like this, and she'd say, they can see you. Yeah, you're being a dick. And I'm like, oh, right. You're right. You're right. I forgot that could.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Subtle compared to what you were doing. You know what you were doing. What were you doing? Show them what you were actually doing.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know. I can't. Oh, pulling my hair out.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You know that bit. That funny bit when he's, like, in so much pain that he's pulling his hair out, and so it's a little more than just this.

[David Hoppins]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm saying.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I. I'm saying you're a terrible person, basically, I guess.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's not nice. Yeah, that's not a nice thing for me to do.

[Conan O'Brien]

I wore my. I wore my heart on my sleeve. I know when it came to comedy, and that was not always a good thing, and I needed to just be.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I felt like it's good for the.

[Conan O'Brien]

You just need to put a sheet over me. You just need to put a sheet over me. When someone went up to do a nerd character and had tape around the middle of their glasses was going. I've been working on a new formula, and I like computers. And Lisa just needed to have. You need to have a tarp that they put over a barbecue outdoors. You just need to have one that you put over me so that they couldn't see that I wanted to die.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Wait, who's going? Oh, you're going up. Okay, give me a second.

[Conan O'Brien]

Conan, we're gonna put the tarp on now. Then you just see a quivering tarp with steam coming off of it, with

[Lisa Kudrow]

fists coming out of the tarp.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, listen, what is this, Beat Up Conan Day? Sona's not gonna stand for that.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I am.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I am.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, okay, you're encourage it.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, I am. I'm encourage you. I'm gonna laugh and I'm gonna enjoy it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, but to me, it's not beating up on you. It's just you had a highly attuned antenna for subpar comedy. And that's the whole thing about classes. Everyone's learning what their clown is. Don't you hate that expression, find your clown?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I mean, yeah. Anyway, that's the groundling thing. Teachers were like, you know, you just gotta find your clown. And I, I'd get really mad.

[Conan O'Brien]

The one thing I still can't do to this day is improv warm up exercises. And there have been. I didn't like them back in the 80s, and I just wanted to go out there and do the thing. And I didn't want to play these games backstage to have us all get in the mood or something. Right?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Me neither. Not in the mood.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then, yeah, and it's these games like, blip, blop, bloop. I look at you and go, blip. And you look at me and go, bloop. And blip, blop, bloop. And you're always in an alley somewhere in Hollywood and it smells like urine and you're going. And I would say, can we just not do this? I will pay you. I will pay you if we don't have to do this and be like, you have to do it, man. It's really good. We're going to do.

[Lisa Kudrow]

We had to do that recently.

[Conan O'Brien]

We did. We. Few years ago, we did a show for charity. And backstage again in an alley in Culver City, I think, and someone said, okay, everybody, let's warm up. Let's play Skittley Daddly Dee.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I know

[Conan O'Brien]

what is that really. What is it?

[Lisa Kudrow]

I don't know what it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know?

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, I didn't know what the thing was. They were even telling.

[Conan O'Brien]

I didn't know either.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And I said, but it was an involved thing. But first you had to, like, skidupity. Like, just like, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I was begging. I was saying, can I just not do this? Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Why did you do it?

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, I think we did it a little bit. And then just went, all right.

[David Hoppins]

Okay. So moving on.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Is it time? I think it's time. I think. I don't know that we have time for this.

[Conan O'Brien]

I made the sound of a siren. I said, oh, I think someone. I think someone got hurt somewhere. We better go inside. Oh, the cops are coming. We better clear out.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Is that a gunshot?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Kapow. That's not a gun, Conan. That's a terrible gun. Now get back to your bloop. I said, blipped. You gotta say, anyway, that's just me. I wasn't built for that.

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, I didn't like it either. I almost quit because I didn't like what I saw in the first improv class where it's like, throw a spaceball, and they're just. And be angry, and they're just like, grr. I couldn't. I just went, that's what I have to do. Maybe I'm not. This isn't for me.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what's interesting, that I've always thought, and this is something that's true of legitimate acting, which is not what I do, but the line between it being great and you absolutely humiliating yourself is so razor thin. And, you know, a lot of acting classes kind of, you need to just put that stuff all aside and strip yourself of all your. And I think of your defenses and then sob or roll around on the floor or pretend you're a jelly bean or all that kind of stuff. And I thought, yeah. Did you go like, good jelly bean?

[Sona Movsesian]

Or that was you being a jelly bean? I was like, mmm, yeah. Yum, yum. I love jelly bean.

[Conan O'Brien]

I go, okay, good jelly bean. Well, that's a good day, though. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Jelly bean is a good jelly. But I don't know.

[Conan O'Brien]

I always thought, oh, no, all I am is If I weigh 100, you know, 90 pounds, 185 of it are defense mechanisms. And then some hair and maybe some teeth. So I can't. I'm not gonna get rid of all that stuff. I can't do it. I mean, my hat's off to people that can do it. I have a lot of respect for.

[Sona Movsesian]

But you still use so much improv. You learned something. No, both of you did learn a lot, I'm guessing. Unless you already were just natural improvisers.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think both of us brought some of our own way we think to it. And then, yes, you learn great tools, rules, great tools.

[Lisa Kudrow]

By listening, listening, talking, responding, and then just. And committing. And that was the first thing I learned watching him. He was really committed to throwing a ball. And you didn't look.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But there was no ball. He was pretending there was a ball and it looked like he was throwing a ball. And he looked like, a little angry, but not over the top. No, you did it. And that's what acting is, which is why you can act. I let you say all that, you know. Cause I felt like you really wanted to, but no, you can. You can act. You can act because you know how to listen and read, respond. Isn't that all it is?

[Conan O'Brien]

I guess I don't know what it is.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I don't either. I'm not gonna study.

[Conan O'Brien]

Whatever you're doing, keep doing it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

All right.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's what I'll tell you.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, maybe you have questions for Lisa because, you know, I know Lisa so. Well done. Yeah, but I. I know Lisa so well that some. These are interesting interviews for me always. Because sometimes I think, well, we just talked about that at dinner.

[Sona Movsesian]

Right?

[Conan O'Brien]

So then I think, oh, I want to make sure that the people listening get some stuff that isn't just me, because I know Lisa so well. You know? Does that make sense?

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, I totally get it. I think that I do have a lot of questions about you guys starting off together in terms of are you both kind of the same people as you were back then? You think?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, you are. I am. I think you are. I think I'm very much the same. I will tell you, we both had not great cars.

[Sona Movsesian]

So you have better cars now.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was. No, I'm just talking about, like, we got to start somewhere that people can understand. I had my car. You had a Datsun Z. Yeah, and it was fine. You had a 280Z.

[Lisa Kudrow]

My dad's. That's a nice.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, it was a fine car. I'm just saying it was.

[Lisa Kudrow]

It was a.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was a great, wasn't always clean sports car and then get a little.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, no, my cars were never clean. And I smoked, so.

[Sona Movsesian]

You did?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

What?

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't know. I can't.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Of course I did. For 20 years.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Pack a day.

[Sona Movsesian]

No, Lisa.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Well, what. I did it just part time, poorly.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I used to say, you could do better at smoking. You could. I would get mad, you'd be smoking, but not enough. And I'd be like, come on, you can do better. Are you in or out? Are you in or you out? In or out? You gotta be a three pack a day smoker. Lisa, did you ever smoke? No. My God, no. If I smoked, I would look. I was very aware that if I smoked, I would look like a kid who got into a pack of cigarettes. And like, the teacher came by and went, put those down, Augie.

[David Hoppins]

I'm picturing you next to Lisa, though, with those candy cigarettes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah. Puffing little powdered sugar.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh. And I started smoking this summer. I was at Harvard.

[Conan O'Brien]

We were there at the same time. Cause you went. You were there in the summer.

[Lisa Kudrow]

We were there at the same time.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I used to work on the Lampoon in the summers there, so I never missed a summer there.

[Lisa Kudrow]

And I was there, there one summer. And that's when I started smoking. Cause those fucking bugs, those flying water bugs as big as your fist. As big as your fist.

[Conan O'Brien]

What does that have to do with you needing to smoke? Who says there's too many bugs? I need to smoke. Why?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Cause it terrified me. It stressed me out so much. And I didn't tell you the part that made it so bad. As I'm sleeping and I hear a jet has flown into my room.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, God.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay. Cause it's these old crappy buildings next to the river, and there's no screens on them, but there's no air conditioning because, you know, it's the East Coast. And. Well, that's how it showed.

[David Hoppins]

East Coast.

[Lisa Kudrow]

East coast in the 80s. And it was an old. An old charming dorm building. And so the windows were open, and I went, what? Like something mechanical flew into the room. It was the loudest. And there was a giant water flying cockroach water bug this big. Don't. You were looking like, I don't know what she's talking about.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not.

[Lisa Kudrow]

The time I was there, dad didn't see a bug.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, there can be some big bugs, but it never made me think, I need a smoke.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay. And then it was on my. And it was just, like, on my wall. So now it's this big on my wall. And I went, okay. And I grabbed my shoe. Dumbass. Throwing a tennis shoe. That's way too slow as I throw it. It's flying toward my head. And then I couldn't sleep. And, you know, there were cigarettes somewhere and I just started smoking. And it calmed me down because nicotine is wonderful. Oh, it's really good stuff. It's good stuff.

[Conan O'Brien]

Never had it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. And then another one flew in and they became pets. There was no getting them out, and there was no choice.

[Conan O'Brien]

You got them little toys,

[Lisa Kudrow]

figured out their favorites.

[Conan O'Brien]

You had them for 14 years. You know what Robert Smigel said to me once? He looked at me when I was being insane about something and tightly wound. And he said, you're the only person I know who would be healthier if he smoked. Oh, that smoking and the breathing and the nicotine. It would extend your. He said, conan, it would extend your life. It's bad for everyone else but you. And I was some. I think about that sometimes. Cause Robert's been right about a lot of things. And now I think at my age, if I started now, I'm like, come on, how much damage could I do?

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, but this has nicotine in it, so.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, nicotine gum.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. Look, I didn't even take one, but I have it.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is turning into an ad for starting to smoke, which I don't want it to be. Although I'm a little intrigued.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, I don't.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Wait. But I do wanna say something. Cause you said, are you different? And here's. You are a little different.

[Conan O'Brien]

How?

[Lisa Kudrow]

I mean, we should be, shouldn't we?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Don't you think?

[Conan O'Brien]

Sure.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay. But you had told, like when we

[Conan O'Brien]

met you different from when I was in 1986. Well, yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

I mean, I should hope so. I don't think. I don't think you're as tightly wound.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I'm not.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay, good.

[Sona Movsesian]

He was worse than the. This. Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

She's absolutely wounded.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm working for you. You have gotten a lot more chill. Yeah, yeah, I see that too.

[Lisa Kudrow]

But he told me that he would be so tightly wound, like something. I can't either. I don't remember. I just don't want to say no. Cause you were telling me something happened at college and it upset you. And you sat and you quietly, just like. Like, took apart a chair. Really? Just like, quietly, patiently, with rage.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow. Yeah. Something in the comedy realm hadn't gone my way. And I went back to my room, and there was a very sturdy wooden chair that they have at Harvard that has, like, the Harvard insignia on it. And I quietly was pulling out all of the pieces of the chair. Oh, boy. Yeah, I had that in me there's a guy in here who scares me. But is that scary?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Cause maybe this is scary. You told me that story and I went, yeah,

[David Hoppins]

right.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Cause you can't. Actually.

[Conan O'Brien]

He doesn't.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, I went in front of.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, I would never turn that on anyone. The person I beat up on mostly is me and writers who need a physical beating every now and then.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Sure. Well,

[Conan O'Brien]

no, I. Yeah, but I mean, of course we both change. I think having kids changes you too.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like, I love. And I said this recently on someone else's podcast, but so much of being young is being narcissistic, so it's necessary. You kind of have to be a narcissist when you're young and it's gotta be all about you. And your problems have to be the biggest thing in the world because you are going through life and it's. The stakes are big. And then once my daughter showed up, and then later my son, I remember instantly knowing, oh, yeah, I don't count anymore. I'm not. I get it. And liking it. Like it's about them.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've got to be here for them. And just even thinking about it, I'm much calmer.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

So I. Yeah. Needed to be having kids when I was 15.

[Lisa Kudrow]

That's what you were built for.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah. All of us.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, kids, settle down. Dad, why do you have acne? Shut up. I gotta go to high school now. Well, not yet, but next year.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You guys settle down.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm gonna go watch Star Trek reruns. Well, I think we're all thrilled. Anytime, you Dr.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Thanks.

[Conan O'Brien]

And so excited for the new season of the Comeback, which is a jewel. It's just so beautifully made and really looking forward to it. And I love you. You're one of my favorite people in the history of the world. Oh, come on. Seriously?

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, you are. Mine too.

[Conan O'Brien]

You just did a. Me too. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, come on. I want more of you.

[Sona Movsesian]

I think you gushed enough.

[Conan O'Brien]

It wasn't enough.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Thank you for your. Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Mail it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Oh, shit.

[Conan O'Brien]

Here comes a bird with it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

If you'd give me your address, I would.

[David Hoppins]

Yay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's play squ. Got warm up for improv. Okay. Lisa Kudrow. Peace out, Tupac. You know, I value hard work.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Work.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just do. I have an incredible work ethic.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yep.

[Conan O'Brien]

And that brings me to Nutrigrain. Nutrigrain is a hard working snack. Okay. I was wondering where you were going to. Real. Well, of course, the minute David knew. The minute I Said hard work. He knew Nutrigrain was coming. It's a hard working snack that fits into real life and it helps hard working people get it done. Let me explain. Yeah, it's made with 10 grams of whole grains, 10 vitamins and minerals and no honey. High fructose corn syrup. Nutrigrain's portable and I demand that of a snack. Yeah, I demand that it be portable. Sometimes a great snack will come out. And it's over £600. I can't lug that around.

[David Hoppins]

£600.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's great for a grab and go option. Busy. I'm gonna grab my Nutrigrain bar. Chomp Chomp. And I'm doing my best work ever. Yeah, you can choose between strawberry flavored Nutrigrain for a delicious classic or new Nutrigrain Crunchy for something new. You didn't see that coming, did you? Do you guys think you're hardworking enough to merit these new Nutrigrain bars?

[David Hoppins]

Of course.

[Sona Movsesian]

Obviously, I don't know. I don't know if there's more hardworking assistants.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, tell me what you do and I will assess if you're hardworking enough.

[Sona Movsesian]

You know what? You look really nice today. I massaged your ego, which is important because you go up in front of an audience.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you don't mean it? No.

[Sona Movsesian]

Horrible.

[Conan O'Brien]

It looks terrible.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, well, you know what? That does take a lot of energy to lie to a man with a. An incredibly fragile ego.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you've been doing that for years.

[Sona Movsesian]

For years.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's a ton of work. I think you might merit a new Tigray and barber.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's see about David. Hopping. David, what do you do?

[David Hoppins]

David, I wanna take the obvious. You're here right now, which means that this recording was in your calendar.

[Sona Movsesian]

There you go.

[Conan O'Brien]

You do my calendar. So you think you are hardworking because you clicked into a computer and typed you know what?

[David Hoppins]

And then hit save.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm proud of both of you.

[Sona Movsesian]

You're welcome.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're both hard workers.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Find nutritious and always delicious Nutrigrain bars at your favorite store or online retailer today. And look for new Nutrigrain Crunchy bars in stores near you. Steve Carell stars in the new HBO original comedy series Rooster. From a creator of Ted Lasso and Shrinking comes the story of an acclaimed author who finds himself teaching on a college campus alongside his adult daughter, navigating their complicated relationship. And Greg's late in life, first chance at the college experience he never had. Is there anyone Funnier than Steve Carell. I do not think there is. So I will watch this. Be sure to check out Rooster, now Streaming exclusively on HBO. Max. Subscription required. Visit HBOMax.com for details. Okay, I'm gonna break into this programming now with urgent, urgent news update. David Hopping just saw the Backstreet Boys at the Sphere. And whatever you're doing, if you're driving right now, I want you to pull over to the side of the road if you're listening. Cooking dinner. Dinner. I mean, just order. Order out, because this is just too important. David, what was this experience like? Backstreet Boys. The Sphere. Paint the picture because America wants to know.

[David Hoppins]

Okay. Hi, America. It was awesome.

[Conan O'Brien]

America just hung up.

[David Hoppins]

It's just one person named America.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, it's America Ferrara. She does not want to hear this story.

[David Hoppins]

It was on my birthday. We drove to Vegas. Got there with no traffic. We got there under four hours, which.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's nice.

[David Hoppins]

A win.

[Conan O'Brien]

People love that part of the story. And then whenever you hear about seeing an iconic band at the Sphere, you paint the picture. People's favorite story is about the commute.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love.

[Sona Movsesian]

I love that you consider the Backstreet Boys iconic. This is nice.

[Conan O'Brien]

Please, you didn't see my. I put little quotes around it.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, they. Come on. They're a big deal.

[Sona Movsesian]

I love the Backstreet Boys.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm not going to shit on the Backstreet Boys. I'm not going to.

[Sona Movsesian]

I just didn't. I didn't know they were your cup of tea.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm just saying, this is a huge band. Whether or not I know all their songs, I know a few of them. Let's get to the place. Do it before it's not done. Doing.

[David Hoppins]

Which goes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, do it before it's not done. Hey, hey. Do it. She's all that and a corn sandwich. They have some great songs that are part of the American experience.

[David Hoppins]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

But anyway, just get to the good part.

[David Hoppins]

We got to the Sphere, then we

[Conan O'Brien]

stopped and we got canned peaches. Sorry. Go ahead.

[David Hoppins]

I got a drink and a souvenir cup. It has all their faces on it. Then we walked. We had standing on the floor. So have you been to the Sphere?

[Sona Movsesian]

I haven't been to the Sphere.

[David Hoppins]

Cause, like, Sona and I get excited about, like, the little things in life.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David Hoppins]

Walking into this, seeing the huge screen was everything. And then everyone stuck to. You were supposed to wear all white to the concert.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why everyone?

[David Hoppins]

Cause it's like their millennium album cover. They're all wearing white.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I thought they Were all saving themselves for marriage, which I admire.

[Sona Movsesian]

Like a virginal thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

They're virginal.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

They're all, like, pushing 60.

[Lisa Kudrow]

They're like, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

When the time comes, I want it to be special. And now for my next hit, Gotta get going to the place where we go.

[David Hoppins]

Yeah. That's a big one. Everyone stuck to the theme, though. Everyone wore white.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's great.

[David Hoppins]

And then they came out, and I've never seen anything like this. Like the. It was, like, space theme. So there's, like, a spaceship above you, and it's like everyone's, like, looking up. I missed them even coming out on the stage because the visuals were just so cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

So I'm getting the sense they didn't need to be there.

[David Hoppins]

They did. Their music was everything.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, they could play the music and then you could look at your spaceships and then, you know, whatever. They could have anybody get up there wearing a white shirt.

[David Hoppins]

No, they needed to be there. Eduardo's going soon.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you going to the Backstreet Boys? No, no, no. I'm going to catch. What's that? No doubt. Okay, cool.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Taking my wife and my niece.

[David Hoppins]

I don't know if they've ever had a comedy show, though. You should try to be, like, the first person.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know how. I prefer to watch no Doubt when they premiere on my show in New York. What a flex. In 1993. What a flex. Mic drop. So the Sphere.

[David Hoppins]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want to go to. Here's what I want to do. I want to go to the Sphere when they're featuring something that in no way is enhanced or benefited by the Sphere.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you know what I mean? I want to go. When all they're doing is someone's playing a banjo and they're rebroadcasting Walter Cronkite's last episode of the News. And it's just a regular news program where at the end he's. And they just run that a couple of times and someone plays a banjo, and it's all around you on the Sphere. No special effects. It's just Walter Cronkite saying, it's been an honor and a pleasure and, you know, take care and be well. Good night.

[Sona Movsesian]

You know, or something that doesn't even use the screen at all. It's like two people having a guest lecture on, like, AI and they're not even talking about.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, you use the screen. Because at one point, the two people giving a lecture mention, I'll be talking about this at a separate conference, which is on March 3rd. And just the date March 3rd comes up in tiny font, in small font on one part of the Sphere. Those are the things I want to go see at the Sphere. I want to. My dream is to misuse the Sphere. Let me be very clear. I will go and do something at the Sphere that completely misuses that amazing technology.

[Sona Movsesian]

Like a PowerPoint presentation on, like, a timeshare in Vegas.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

And then you're just like.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's just one little part. It's one little square that could.

[David Hoppins]

You can't even see it, people.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, here's the thing. You can kind of see it. That's important to me. You can kind of see it. And I go on and on.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. That's how I want to use the sphere. But anyway, so you had a good time?

[David Hoppins]

I had a great time. It was. Yeah. And then at the end, I was actually texting Sona after, because it's just a bunch of drunk Backstreet Boys fans all walking in some hallways singing their songs together. Yeah. And what else could you do closely?

[Conan O'Brien]

Some of the Backstreet Boys are in with them. Hey, wait a minute. Isn't that Jubjub? What are their names?

[David Hoppins]

Well, there's Ned, Nick. There's A.J.

[Conan O'Brien]

there's Nick.

[Lisa Kudrow]

There's Nick.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know. Is there a Nick?

[David Hoppins]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[David Hoppins]

I want to just make that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is everyone okay? Everyone's healthy.

[David Hoppins]

Everyone's healthy. They're all there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[David Hoppins]

It's like the new Kids on the Block also in Vegas. They're all there.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, I know they're there. I'm trying to pick a date to go see them.

[Lisa Kudrow]

You need to.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do those guys ever join forces, you know, or is it like Marvel and dc, where that's not allowed?

[Lisa Kudrow]

No, they've. They've done.

[Sona Movsesian]

They've toured together before.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, they all get together?

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Lisa Kudrow]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I just thought I had this cool idea.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

And can they then join up with another group? Like, you know, Menudo or is.

[Sona Movsesian]

Can.

[Conan O'Brien]

Can you ever get another group that joins them? So those two united Back Street Boys and New Kids on the Block. But then who else could join them?

[David Hoppins]

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Oh, in sync.

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[Conan O'Brien]

What if you got them all together? I mean, all together, and then didn't let them perform?

[Sona Movsesian]

Wait, what do they do?

[David Hoppins]

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[Conan O'Brien]

You get them all together backstage, and then you lock the door. And then I go out and I show. I show a little timeshare lecture. It's projected on one small part and they have to watch it. And they can't get out. They can't get out.

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And switch.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love it.

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Hey, a lot of people have tried. A lot of people have tried. Old women are taking a swing at me every day. All right, there's my pitch sphere. Call me. Peace out, Tupac.

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