Spinal Tap Live From The SiriusXM Garage

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Episode: Spinal Tap Live From The SiriusXM Garage
Date: September 15, 2025
Guests: Spinal Tap – David St. Hubbins, Nigel Tufnel, Derek Smalls, & “filmmaker” Marty DiBergi
Host & Team: Conan O'Brien, Sona Movsessian, Matt Gourley, plus live audience participation

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Episode Overview

This special live episode sees Conan O’Brien fulfilling a lifelong dream: interviewing the legendary (and famously fictional) rock band Spinal Tap alongside their documentarian, Marty DiBergi. The show blends playful chaos, deep-cut comedy, and improvisational mayhem as Conan and his team dive into Spinal Tap’s enduring influence, their disastrous post-fame ventures, poignant mockery of the rock industry, and the legacy of their groundbreaking 1984 mockumentary. Live audience interaction and behind-the-scenes stories from the Spinal Tap sequel add further fun, irreverence, and nostalgia throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Audience Energy & Team Banter (00:00–12:24)

• The episode begins with live audience members humorously describing their feelings about possibly being Conan's friend, setting an energetic and absurdist tone.
• Conan gently mocks the ceremonial audience applause and jokes about awkward backstage corridors and failed high-fives.
• He introduces Sona Movsessian and Matt Gourley, engages in playful banter about their relationships, app-sharing, and the mechanics of working for Team Coco.
• Conan reminisces about seeing Spinal Tap in 1984, emphasizing how formative this was for his comedic sensibility.

Notable Quotes:

• “Please, please, don’t chant the Conan. It sounds like a Salem witch trial.” (Conan, 01:23)
• “If you told Young Conan of 1984 he’d hang out with Spinal Tap, he’d freak out.” (Conan, 01:56)

2. Introducing Spinal Tap & Marty DiBergi: The Reunion (12:24–17:22)

• Spinal Tap (in-character) and Marty DiBergi join the show to playful applause.
• The band and Marty joke about their tumultuous relationship, Marty’s so-called “hatchet job” documentary, and the ensuing struggles for employment.
• Marty references bizarre failed filmmaking, including “Kramer vs Kramer vs Godzilla.”
• The band reveals they only reunited contractually (not by inspiration).

Notable Quotes:

• “They called it a hatchet job. I thought it was a loving portrayal, but they felt differently.” (Marty DiBergi, 15:04)
• “It gave us an opportunity to get back together... and break up again. And then get back together again.” (David St. Hubbins, 17:04)

3. What Have The Members Been Up To? (17:22–25:02)

• Nigel Tufnel: Runs a cheese and guitar shop where customers barter between the two. Hasn’t turned a profit but is content with the barter system.
• David St. Hubbins: Lives in Morro Bay, California; writes hold music and scores podcasts, proud of his “middle of the road” musical contributions.
• Derek Smalls: Runs a non-profit glue museum, explaining his fixation as bassists are the “glue” of bands.
• Marty: Struggles with career and acceptance, feeling unappreciated by the band and ostracized from their history.

Notable Quotes:

• “I thought you could buy cheese or guitars—but you can trade cheese FOR guitars.” (Conan, 17:51)
• “I’ve opened a museum—of glue.” (Derek Smalls, 23:05)

4. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Snub & Band Reflections (25:02–26:54)

• The band riffs on being rejected repeatedly by the Hall, with the Hall’s only acknowledgment being T-shirts in the gift shop.
• Jokes about their legacy, commercialization, and how shallow such honors can be.

Notable Quotes:

• “The Hall sent a letter that said, ‘Go f--- yourself.' Very unusual.” (Marty DiBergi, 23:58)
• “We’re not inducted, but they sell ‘Hello Cleveland’ in their gift shop!” (Derek Smalls, 24:43)

5. Spinal Tap’s Drummer Curse & Band History (26:54–32:27)

• Conan inquires about the band’s notorious string of deceased drummers. The band confirms 12 lost, including one who “sneezed himself to death.”
• Brief detour into a failed attempt to use a drum machine.
• Playful interrogation of Conan’s glasses–on/off habit.

Notable Quotes:

• “We tried [a drum machine]. It died.” (David St. Hubbins, 26:31)
• “I’m a bit of a guitar enthusiast myself…” (Conan, 28:58)

6. The Spinal Tap Business Ventures & Inventions (32:27–36:33)

• The group describes outlandish inventions and failed businesses: folding wine glasses (that leak), finger bowls for dogs, and more.
• Nigel reluctantly discusses his “secret compartment guitar.”
• Banter about cheese shop survival, glue museum funding, and amusement park pitches.

Notable Quotes:

• “The folding wine glass had hinges on all the sides... by the time you raise it to your lips, your crotch is soaked in wine.” (Nigel Tufnel, 31:00)
• “I built the glue museum. They don’t grow on trees, you know.” (Derek Smalls, 43:27)

7. Star Encounters & Iconic Collaborations (32:27–36:33)

• Conan highlights a scene from the new documentary where Paul McCartney jams with them, and recounts how David was prickly to Sir Paul.
• Elton John also appears in the film, fueling more legendary “two Sirs, no madam” wordplay.

Notable Quotes:

• “He never mentioned your name, Conan.” (Derek Smalls, 33:06)
• “Two Sirs. No Madam.” (Derek Smalls, 35:17)

8. Life After Tap: Nostalgia & Small-Town Legacy (36:33–41:20)

• Conan discusses the band’s origins in “Squatney” (now replaced by a Tesco), and the absence of hometown statues.
• David and Nigel lament how their old haunts are gone, but dismiss the possibility of memorials out of comic self-deprecation.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you saw a statue of yourself, you wouldn’t recognize it.” (Conan, 38:24)
• “They’d put a statue of Lucille Ball before one of us.” (David St. Hubbins, 38:40)

9. The Money Question: Are Spinal Tap Rich? (41:20–44:04)

• Conan notes that, unlike the Stones, Tap are not billionaires. Each member details their modest livelihoods, with Derek citing financial struggles and a collapse after a failed cryptocurrency, BruegelCoin.
• They recall a failed attempt to create “Tapland” with funds mis-directed into Derek’s glue museum.

Notable Quotes:

• “I’m working my way back up to nothing.” (Derek Smalls, 42:49)

10. Towards the Future: Will Spinal Tap Live On? (45:27–46:28)

• Team and Spinal Tap members reflect on what might come next, agreeably vague about a potential future or more films.
• Final sendoff and plugs for the new documentary Spinal Tap 2: The End Continues and new book A Fine Line Between Stupid and Clever (corrected from “Clever and Stupid”).

Notable Quotes:

• “If you did reunite, do you think there’s another film there?” (Marty, 46:20)
• “Go to hell.” (David St. Hubbins, 46:25)
• “It’s as good a place to end as any.” (Conan, 46:28)

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Audience Q&A Highlights (55:07–76:12)

• Nervousness & Focus: Conan explains he doesn’t get nervous with guests, just focused. He admits he’d only fear making catastrophic financial decisions. (57:22)
• Influences: Spinal Tap was a formative influence on Conan’s career, especially at a “window” in adolescence when comedy hits hardest. (61:30)
• Personal Gifts: An audience member presents Conan with an illustration of "Smarty Pants," his Pixar character, sparking discussion about creativity and Conan's role in Toy Story 5. (62:26)
• Hair Pomade: Asked about his hair routine and the prospect of a Conan hair care line, Conan floats “Conan Pomade” and jokes about its hypothetical features and marketing. (66:32)
• High-Five Tutorial: Audience member teaches Conan the “look at the elbow” trick for perfect high fives. (70:26)
• Film with Rose Byrne: Conan shares how proud he is of his work opposite Rose Byrne in an upcoming A24 film, praising director Mary Bronstein and recalling the thrill of a significant acting experience. (72:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We brought joy to hundreds of people.” – David St. Hubbins (17:04)
• “The Hall of Fame said, ‘Go f--- yourself.’ So unusual in so many ways.” – Marty DiBergi (23:58)
• “I’m working my way back to nothing.” – Derek Smalls (42:49)
• “If you saw a statue to yourself, you wouldn’t recognize that statue.” – Conan (38:24)
• “Go to hell.” – David St. Hubbins, on another film (46:25)

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Audience “friend” feelings, Conan’s fanboy intro | | 12:24 | Welcoming Spinal Tap & Marty DiBergi on stage | | 17:22 | Band updates: cheeses, glue museums, and hold music | | 25:02 | Hall of Fame snub, band’s legacy | | 26:54 | Drummer curse, glasses-on/off joke, Spinal Tap’s secret guitar | | 32:27 | Paul McCartney appearance, Elton John, wordplay galore | | 36:33 | Nostalgia: Squatney, local statues, disappearance of old haunts | | 41:20 | Spinal Tap’s financial status, glue museum funding, Tapland plans | | 45:27 | Hopes (or lack thereof) for the future of Spinal Tap | | 55:07 | Audience Q&A – guests, nervousness, influences, gifts | | 66:32 | Conan’s hair routine/hypothetical pomade product | | 70:26 | Audience high-five tutorial, Rose Byrne film discussion |

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Tone & Style

The episode is irreverent, playful, self-mocking, and tightly improvisational, in classic Conan and Spinal Tap style. There’s a blend of wit, absurdity, British deadpan, and meta-commentary, with genuine moments of nostalgic sincerity peeking through the biting humor.

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Final Thoughts

For fans of Conan, Spinal Tap, or both, this episode is a riotously surreal (and at times, surprisingly sweet) collision between comedy legends and their comedic offspring. It’s a tribute to showbiz absurdity, creative perseverance, and enduring (mockumentary) friendship—a must-listen for comedy and rock fans alike.

Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey, Conan o' Brien here. We're trying a little something different on this episode because it's a very special episode. We're gonna start out with fans, people who are here in the audience telling you how they feel about being Conan o' Brien's friend. But let's see what's on people's minds. Hi, my name's Eric D. And I feel wistful about being Conan o' Brien's friend. My name is Rebecca, and I feel vengeful.

[Rebecca]

I feel elated, Overeager, So, so nervous.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lactose intolerant. Unprepared. Cautiously. Optimistic. I feel fine. Honored. Ginger. Chic.

[Rebecca]

Fantastic.

[Conan O'Brien]

Swell.

[Sona Movsessian]

Fabulous.

[Conan O'Brien]

Stupendous.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Unoriginal.

[Conan O'Brien]

Special. Vertically challenged.

[Rebecca]

Shocked, convinced.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Short as fuck.

[Conan O'Brien]

Crepuscular, Sneaky, silly. Choice.

[Sona Movsessian]

Stoked, in awe.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anxious, Electric. Stunned. Unworthy. Shaking, Nostalgic. Suspicious. Sherbilike. Committed. Felice, Rasputaz.

[Rebecca]

Lucky, Thankful.

[Conan O'Brien]

Flaccid. Mental. Effusive. Kosher. Apprehensive. Nuts. Blessed, ecstatic, Aroused. We excited everything. Rad as eep.

[Sona Movsessian]

Hi, my name's Amanda, and I feel frog about being Conan o' Brien's friend.

[Conan O'Brien]

Thank you. Thank you very much. Please, please, please, don't chant the Conan. It sounds like a Salem witch trial. Very nice to see you. A gentleman tried to high five me. Fist bump on the way in. I don't do well with those, do you? If you saw me on the street, would you hold up your hand? I don't. I never make a good connection. I'm usually holding something. I apologize to that gentleman, but those frighten me. How? All right. Also, that can be confused for a fascist salute, which would have been funny five years ago, but now it's getting scary. How y' all doing? You ready to go? All right. This guy over here grew the beard that I had about eight years ago. Fantastic. That's my beard, man. I want it back. How are you? How long did it take you to grow that? Six hours. Six hours. Wow. You're just infused with testosterone. Mine took nine years. I mean, sneezed and it fell off. This is a very special show that we have today. These guys are my heroes. I will time travel with you to 1984. I'm an incredible comedy nerd. I'm in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and one of my friends says, I believe it was Mark Silber. Said, hey, let's go see Spinal Tap. It just came out. I hear it's funny. I said, what is that? He said, you never seem to know anything. Your career will flounder. And we took the Tea over to a theater, and we saw Spinal Tap, and it opened so many doors in my mind to what was possible in comedy. And I just saw you wearing the Conan shirt. You look lovely. How are you? Okay. All right. How are you? Nice to see you. I used to go and I go like a cat with leukemia. Sorry. Dark image. But it happens. It happens all the time. Okay, that was nothing. My point is that that movie meant so much to me, and if you had told that guy. I'm very. I'm not at all jaded. I'm very sentimental, and I have a very good contact with the Young Conan of 1984, and I'm able to access that guy, and he's freaking out right now because he's gonna hang out with the people who changed his life all those years ago. So that's awesome for me, and it's nice that you're all here to take part in that. I think we're gonna have a very good time. Clay. Spinal Tap guys, they mean anything to you? I know you're very young. I mean, when I say young, you're, like, in your late 50s. Iconic. I'm so excited. Okay, very good. You've been working on that answer all day. He was riding in his car. Iconic. I'm so excited. Iconic. I'm so excited. Iconic. Excited me. I am. We're gonna have a good time. We're gonna have a great time. I've been looking forward to this show for a while. Look, look, there are times I'm talking to a guest, and I absolutely loathe them. And I think you could tell Oliphant. I mean, people I despise. I think we just saw that. When you talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, we've never done it. You've never been on a guest on the podcast. That's true, and for good reason. You and I are oil and water in the best way. We make a good salad dressing. I think we should get the show started. Thank you all very much for being here. You're a big part of this show, and we're gonna have a good time. But really, there is no Conan o' Brien needs a friend without two of my good friends. And I say that in quotes because I want to create some emotional detachment from them. Sona Movsessian and Matt Gore. Let's get him in here. Yay, us. It's a very long corridor to get from backstage to this. It's a strange setup here at Sirius XM in la. And so what happens is what people are Hearing at home is a sustained applause. Like our screening of our movie at the Venice Film Festival just aired. And it's getting a nine minute because that's people very graciously applauding and cheering after we've been announced. But then 10 minutes of us walking and avoiding high fivers. I see you, you son of a bitch, in the hallway. It's this long walk. And that creates the audio illusion for the people listening at home that you guys got that long, sustained applause.

[Sona Movsessian]

We were right outside the door when they called us.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, we were.

[Sona Movsessian]

And we walked in and they just wouldn't stop.

[Conan O'Brien]

I announced you, and I have access to your app. You called an Uber. You called an Uber as I announced you.

[Sona Movsessian]

You have access to my app.

[Conan O'Brien]

I have access to all your apps, you pervert. I have access to your own app.

[Sona Movsessian]

I have access to your apps, and that's tr.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you know that I can't post on social media? I'm not allowed to. I'm like Ronald Reagan with the nuclear codes. They won't let me near any way that I could possibly start riffing spontaneously online. And so, Sona, I would have to call you.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, that's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

If I want to order a hamburger on grubhub, not a sponsor, I would have to call you. I do that with my wife, too. I'm like, can you order the pizza that's next door?

[Sona Movsessian]

Can you do it? My email is attached to your Uber and the food delivery services. So every time you order something or an Uber, it pops up. And I know exactly where you're going.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Sona Movsessian]

I know exactly what you're eating.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

So we have some questions about some.

[Conan O'Brien]

Places you've been going. I didn't know Hooters delivered. I was just stunned. Wait, Stacy's a wonderful lady.

[Sona Movsessian]

Deliver.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, Stacy with an I. And it's a little heart. She comes and delivers it, and we just chat about, you know, how the Berlin Wall fell, and it's just all kinds of fascinating stuff. Yeah.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

We have some interesting facts about this audience. Do you know that some of them come from far and wide to people?

[Conan O'Brien]

I would hope so, because this is a. This. Of all the shows we've done, this is going to be up there with one of the most important ones, I think.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

So when you hear this, not only Toronto, where are you?

[Sona Movsessian]

Awkward.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, that is so awkward.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Maybe they didn't make it here.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, who gave you this information? So I. I was. I think it's just, you know, you.

[Sona Movsessian]

Don'T need the mic.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like, you know, I Love that your mic doesn't even hurt.

[Sona Movsessian]

You don't need it, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, Mike, you don't need your mic. Just speak. I think it's just. You don't have to.

[Sona Movsessian]

So close to the microphone.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

If anything, could you step out of.

[Conan O'Brien]

The room and just talk in a whisper? We'll still hear you. Le. You're the loudest person we know, and you're in a small room.

[Sona Movsessian]

Into your mouth.

[Conan O'Brien]

Maybe just Canada. I thought it was Toronto, but maybe just Canada.

[Sona Movsessian]

Canada.

[Conan O'Brien]

No. Maybe. I don't know. So how about California? Okay, wait a minute. Well, Blay, all right, you came to us all giddy, and you said, I've got some info. It's gonna be rocket fuel for the top of the show. We've got someone from Toronto. We don't have anyone from Toronto. Well, there's other. There's other place. There's other place.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Oh, there is someone outside.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, it's high five, McGee. Yeah, okay. But that's not all. But that' not all.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Yes. Mexico.

[Sona Movsessian]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right there.

[Sona Movsessian]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow. And then very reluctantly raised his hand.

[Sona Movsessian]

I know.

[Conan O'Brien]

You are welcome here. We're happy to have you.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hola. Como esta?

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Please let this one be real. New Zealand.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow. There we go. Just for the show. No, no. Can I tell you something people say when they see a guy like Blay? They say, I came all the way just for the show, but whenever I question these people for more than two seconds, it's, well, of course I'm getting a heart replaced while I'm here at Cedars Sinai, and I had an extra hour, so. Were you here just for the show? Be honest. Are you? Yes. I knew it. Whenever someone says just for the show, it's not true. No one. And first of all, I don't blame you, sir. Although I'm gonna ask you to leave. It's just what happens, Blaine.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

You're like cable news.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. You get excited. You get very loud, and you get very excited, and then your. Your information is all wrong in here. All right?

[Sona Movsessian]

I've been here for two and a half months.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've been here for two and a half months.

[Sona Movsessian]

I've been here for two. I'm not making fun of you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm trying to. Wait a minute. How is this not making fun of me?

[Sona Movsessian]

I'm not making fun of you, by the way.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

I'm just making fun of her. I'm not making fun of.

[Sona Movsessian]

I'm a student in accents. This is what I Do. Yes. This podcast is in my real job.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Could you do Australia and then do New Zealand?

[Sona Movsessian]

Okay, so Australia means like putting all the shrimp in the Barbie. Park the car in the car park.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

No, that's someone that's at the dentist having their tv.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's someone with a terrible facial wound.

[Sona Movsessian]

Pack the car in the car. Pack.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's Sean F. Kennedy. Yeah.

[Sona Movsessian]

Pack the car in the car. Pack.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, stop it. You're. You know what I love? You're my assistant. I hired you as my assistant and now you're out here doing 10 minutes of impressions. I honest to God don't know what's happened. Oh, you want French? Oh, give us your French guy.

[Sona Movsessian]

Oh, the French is very easy.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's pretty good French.

[Sona Movsessian]

French is very easy.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's unbelievable. I hired her to help with correspondence. Get me into the DMV and out.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And no. Now you're doing this. Balloon animals. You do balloon animals? You would. I mean, you gotta.

[Sona Movsessian]

Should I do a. Yes and yes, and I do balloon animals and I do face paintings.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's good improv. Should I do. Yes and welcome to the unconfident improv troupe.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Welcome to my candy shop. Should I do yes and yes and yes and.

[Sona Movsessian]

I wasn't making fun of you, I promise. I love. I feel like I'm just like, becoming an accent expert. So that's why I was just doing a stuff.

[Conan O'Brien]

And she did nail you because that's, you know, you did been here. You went. I been here.

[Sona Movsessian]

I've been here.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, you're welcome. And I hope that the business that you're doing here is productive. You've been here a long time. And then you, I guess, found a sticket on the street. I love up front. You created this. People have come from all over the world. Cut to. I don't know, I was in Glendale and getting my car washed next door here in mid central Hollywood. What do you say? Should we get going?

[Audience Member / Moderator]

I think it's time.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's very exciting. Let's do this. All right. We are very excited. This is really happening. My guests today are absolute legends of rock and roll and known as one of England's loudest bands. Their new documentary, Spinal Tap 2 the End, continues. Such a great title is in theaters September 12th. I am very honored that they are here today. These gentlemen changed my life. I think they changed many of the lives of people here. Yes, definitely. Please welcome filmmaker Marty DeBurge and members of Spinal Tap, Nigel Tufnell, Derek Smalls and David St. Hubbins.

[David St. Hubbins]

Thank You.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Hello.

[David St. Hubbins]

We are Spinal Tap.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yep.

[David St. Hubbins]

And we feel. What do we feel?

[Conan O'Brien]

About what?

[David St. Hubbins]

About. About being Conan o' Brien's friend. Mixed, right? It's all mixed.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Very.

[Conan O'Brien]

Mom. Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Mixed, yeah, Marty.

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, I. I'm very happy to be Conan's friend.

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, that's where the.

[Marty DiBergi]

Anybody to be my friend and I can be yours.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's not a two way street.

[Marty DiBergi]

Oh, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I hate to break it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's not even a street.

[David St. Hubbins]

You look so much smarter with the glasses.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, thank you. You like the glasses, huh?

[David St. Hubbins]

Isn't that smarter, too? While you're sitting down.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm going to go with mixed. You feel mixed? Because we don't know what's going to happen.

[Nigel Tufnel]

One of us, you know, up in.

[David St. Hubbins]

The air, we're all the same, and yet we're all completely different.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let me begin by telling you it's an honor to have you here. It really is. And I made this very clear to my audience. Before you came out, I saw your original film. This is Spinal Tap, the documentary made by the great Mario Deburji in 1984. And it changed my life. I was not aware of your band.

[Marty DiBergi]

In what way did it change your life?

[Conan O'Brien]

For the worse. It changed it for the worse. For the worse. I went into a long depression, an.

[David St. Hubbins]

Open wound before this film.

[Derek Smalls]

It did make you taller.

[Conan O'Brien]

I came out during the day. Second, I think the second Obama administration. I recovered myself, but deep depression. But it really did, in so many ways. It introduced me to your work that I was not aware of. I hate to say that, but I really wasn't. I just missed it. You said it. What's that?

[Derek Smalls]

But you said it.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know. I did say it and it was wrong to say it and I apologize. I just was unaware. I won't use the term niche, but somehow your oeuvre had escaped me. And then Marty did this incredible thing. He brought you. You to my attention. And Marty, this has been 41 years since the original film.

[Marty DiBergi]

And I. I must say that this is the first time that I've ever been allowed to be on a stage with these gentlemen who I've admired for so many years. I was always a big fan and I've never been allowed to be on the stage with them.

[Derek Smalls]

You keep that up and it'll be the last time.

[Conan O'Brien]

It doesn't feel like it's going well so far, but I think you will acquit yourself well. Marty, Marty, I hate to bring this up, but one of the reasons that you got involved in this project is that you have Struggled. Since you made the original, this is spinal tap in 1984, you have struggled greatly. You have had difficulty finding employment.

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, I was hoping that when I was made this, his Spinal Tap, which, by the way, the members of the band were not too thrilled when they saw it. They called. They called it a hatchet job. And they were not happy with how they were portrayed. I thought it was a loving portrayal, but I guess they were. They. They felt differently. But I was hoping that it would, you know, basically boost my career, give me an opportunity to do like, a Hollywood feature, which I was able. I finally was able to do. They did a sequel. A very important feature film that won an Academy Award was called Kramer vs Kramer with Meryl Streep and. And Dustin Hoffman. And I did the sequel, which was a Kramer versus Kramer versus Godzilla.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Marty DiBergi]

And it didn't do as well as I had hoped.

[Conan O'Brien]

High concept.

[Marty DiBergi]

And I. It sent me into a tail spin and I left the business for a while and I went to. I went to a retreat, a retreat which was the guru. There was a gentleman by the name of Baba Ram Dass boat. And I was trying to find myself, and one morning I was drinking my spirulina smoothie and I noticed in Deadline Hollywood that they were thinking of getting back, that there was going to be another concert.

[David St. Hubbins]

We were forced into it. And there was. There was a. There was a contract that was left dangling. The death of Ian Faye.

[Conan O'Brien]

This was not born of inspiration, I have to say, as many reasons that you were contractually forced to get back together, as is made clear in the new documentary, induced. You were induced. It was an induced. It was an induced pregnancy, an induction. And I'm glad that you did get back together. You brought so much joy to hundreds of people.

[David St. Hubbins]

It gave us an opportunity. It did give us an opportunity to get back together again and break up again and then get back together again. I think it broke up once more since then, and now here we are.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

So third time on the night we.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Change seats at any point?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, we.

[David St. Hubbins]

You're actually fine there.

[Conan O'Brien]

We've talked about that format. The. The. It's called.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I wouldn't call it format exactly. It's more like just seats three.

[Conan O'Brien]

Matt. Okay. I was trying to put a nice gloss on what you had said. Okay. I want to ask you something, Nigel. I was very surprised when I saw the documentary, what you've been up to. You own a shop.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I do, yes. Cheese shop.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, not just cheese.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Not just cheese. No. Cheese and guitars.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it's fascinating. You See this in the film, someone comes in and I thought you could buy cheese or buy guitars, but you can trade cheese for guitars.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Or trade guitars for cheese.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Cheese, yes. It's a barter system like they had back in prehistoric times, you know, when there were dinosaurs.

[David St. Hubbins]

People say, no, no, the dinosaurs.

[Conan O'Brien]

Dinosaurs.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Kind of things. They would trade things. So I say, someone comes in with a nice Brie and I'll say, maybe a flying V for the brie. Yeah, yeah, we have to see. I've got to weigh it, literally. And then play the guitar. And vice versa as well.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah. I, I saw that you were doing that business and I thought, sometimes you see a business and you think, why didn't anyone else think of this? I didn't have that thought.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Interesting. Yeah, no, it's very. It's perfect for me because I haven't.

[David St. Hubbins]

Turned a profit yet.

[Nigel Tufnel]

In what sense?

[David St. Hubbins]

The monetary. In a barter sense. I admire him, but he lives in a world of his own.

[Conan O'Brien]

David, what have you been up to? Bring us up to date, because I don't want to spoil, don't do too many spoilers. But it is revealed in the documentary you've been living in Morro Bay.

[David St. Hubbins]

Morro Bay, California. Anyone here from Morro Bay? No, never really.

[Conan O'Brien]

Toronto people often do that, too.

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, they're all Toronto.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah, clearly. Except for the one New Zealander.

[Derek Smalls]

That's right, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, I've been staying busy, you know, I, I, I'm a bit of a. Bit of a star in Morro Bay. There's not, not a lot of famous people there. They're all retired English musicians, all the famous ones. And I happen to be number six or seven. But I'm, I'm having a really nice. I love it. I love. I'm a total Californian now and I, I play a little bit of music on the side.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Tell us about your music career, because you've managed to stay in business, but in a way that surprised me.

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, listen, I, I've got fairly proficient on the keyboards, and of course, all you need is about four or five keys and a computer, you know, and just pluck it out like this. And I do a lot of scores for podcasts. Crime podcasts.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

And it's, it's very rewarding.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. I was. You also record hold music, is that correct? Yes.

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The music you get when you call up, that's not just pulled out of the sky, you know, someone has to do that. And I'm able to express sort of my, my Inner middle of the road, if you will. It's not. It's not hard rock. It's not quite Dixieland. It's somewhere in between. What's in between hard rock and Dixieland?

[Marty DiBergi]

I don't know. But you did win an award for that.

[David St. Hubbins]

I wanna hold it. I did, yeah, I did. Very proud. Very proud.

[Marty DiBergi]

And also, I know maybe you don't want to, you know, put a light on it, but you do still play with a band. I noticed.

[David St. Hubbins]

There's a bunch of blokes I get together with.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

And we really got heavy into mariachi music. And I've been writing tunes. Actually, some of them are traditional tunes, but I've been translating harder, more demonic lyrics into the. Into Spanish with the help of Maria. Maria is my live in chef and she helps me with the lyrics and it's really fun. It's lovely.

[Conan O'Brien]

Again, something I. When I saw it, I thought, this is not something I'd have thought of and. Or if I had thought of, I might have dismissed it immediately. But. Incredible. It's incredible.

[David St. Hubbins]

It feels good from the inside, put it that way.

[Conan O'Brien]

Derek, you're pointing at me now. Yes, yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Passed me to you.

[Derek Smalls]

Yes.

[Marty DiBergi]

He also said your name, so.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I thought that.

[Derek Smalls]

Me right up.

[Conan O'Brien]

I thought. I thought the name was. Yeah, yeah. The main indicator not pointing, but that's a bonus. Okay. You get both. You get the pointing and the name. Derek, you've confounded me instantly. You run a shop that sells glue.

[Derek Smalls]

No, it's not a shop. There's no profit.

[Conan O'Brien]

It is the same business as the cheese guitar. No, but I kind of zing you there. Sorry, man.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, it's okay. But his. Here's a different situation.

[Derek Smalls]

Yeah, Mine's deliberate.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Derek Smalls]

People would say to me over the years, you know, and. And I'm not just me, but bass players generally. Well, you guys are kind of the glue, you know, hold the band together because these other guys are, you know, up there unglued. Unglued, yeah. And one day I just thought glue. You don't think about glue all that often.

[Conan O'Brien]

Never.

[Marty DiBergi]

I hardly ever think about it.

[Derek Smalls]

Well, I did and I became, I guess you'd say fixated. Well, you wouldn't, but I'd say fixated.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Derek Smalls]

And I've opened a museum of glue.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a museum. That's right. Oh, some museums are for profit. So I think I redeemed myself there. But we should move on. I think I'm getting into a little bit of a conversational cul de sac. If you will? Yes.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, I'm just wondering why you're here.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Good question. Really?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm feeling that way myself. Gentlemen, it has to sting that the Rock and Roll hall of Fame has refused to induct you. You have such a body of work. There's a lot of it. Of what you do. People can debate the quality, but there's a lot of it. There's a tremendous amount of what you did. And you have to admit, Marty, it's a shock. And the Rock and Roll hall of Fame did not just pass on them. They sort of stepped outside their lane a little bit.

[Marty DiBergi]

Yeah. I think they said they made a letter and the letter came back. Go yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Marty DiBergi]

So unusual in so many ways.

[Conan O'Brien]

A little harsh.

[Derek Smalls]

That's not hall of Fame language.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no, no. It's just terrible. You know, it was. And they rarely send a letter like that. They have one, but.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah, but they got two.

[Conan O'Brien]

They got two.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Very nicely.

[Marty DiBergi]

And vanilla.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[David St. Hubbins]

Right.

[Derek Smalls]

But here's the irony.

[Conan O'Brien]

Are you pointing at me? I am pointing at you because I'm pointing.

[Derek Smalls]

I didn't say your name.

[Conan O'Brien]

You don't know my name.

[Derek Smalls]

I. I do.

[David St. Hubbins]

It's like that's. It's that Spider man meme. Bit frightening to be in the middle of it, to be honest.

[Derek Smalls]

The Rock and Roll hall of Fame will not admit us, but in the gift shop, they sell hello, Cleveland T shirts.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

It's not. It's not right.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, it's not right. And you should. I hope you're getting a taste of that. No. You're not getting a taste? No.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, I'm getting a taste, but that's a different thing.

[David St. Hubbins]

It tastes like burnt toast.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's a stroke symptom. I just want you to know.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, no, no, no. Oh, you didn't like the doctor, I suppose.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I watched enough television. Yeah. I feel I can diagnose anyone.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Where do they hide the cameras? I'm a little bit confused.

[David St. Hubbins]

They're all filled.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's a camera. Right.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Person must have one.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, there's one right there.

[David St. Hubbins]

Especially the New Zealand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't trust that.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Where in New Zealand are you from?

[David St. Hubbins]

Of course, Auckland.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Really? I was there. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

That's a lovely town.

[Conan O'Brien]

Have you guys played Auckland? Yeah, we.

[Nigel Tufnel]

We did a thing there. I can't remember what it was, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

These are terrific stories.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, no, no, no. I don't want to embarrass you. You stand up. Not literally, but. Can you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Where.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Where are you?

[David St. Hubbins]

There. We.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, yeah, this is another stroke symptom.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I didn't meet you there.

[Conan O'Brien]

No.

[Nigel Tufnel]

You look familiar from not meeting you there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Gentlemen, let's address. Let's address a very dark subject. You've lost countless drummers. How many, Marty, has it been?

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, according to the band, I think it's 12. Yeah, I think it's 12.

[Conan O'Brien]

The last even dozen. An even dozen. And this latest film, and I'm not gonna give anything away, but it begins with you looking for a new drummer. Why not just use a drum machine?

[David St. Hubbins]

We tried that. It died.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lugged it in.

[David St. Hubbins]

That's true. Ten bars into the tune and then it went, no, I'm out.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Fizzled. Yeah, that's true. Just left this burn mark.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, incredible.

[Marty DiBergi]

All right, well, I don't think it's giving anything away from the film, but if you want. What happened to the last drummer that you had? Skippy Scoffing.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah, Skippy Scuffleton or Scuffy Skippleton or Skippy Skullton. We never could get it straight. He had some entirely different name that he got paid through, but he had a terrible allergy to something. I thought it was the little berries inside the maracas that make the seeds. I think he was allergic because he'd never used them before. And he, he played about half the day and then he said, I'm feeling funny. He started sneezing, and he never stopped until it all stopped. So it was, it was pretty sad. He sneezed himself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is that the actual coroner's report that he. Snow.

[Nigel Tufnel]

There's a Latin term for that. It's a real thing.

[David St. Hubbins]

Any Latins in. No.

[Marty DiBergi]

What's the Latin term for sneezing yourself to death?

[Nigel Tufnel]

I don't know, but there is one because it's a medical.

[David St. Hubbins]

You know, there's a German one.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marty DiBergi]

Geuntite.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, there you go. I, I, I was, I mean, so much, so much to catch up on with you guys, because, again, it's been. I know you've had your reunions, but 41 years since the last film, and.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Can I ask you why you keep putting on and taking off your glasses?

[Conan O'Brien]

I like to create different looks throughout the podcast.

[David St. Hubbins]

2.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, I found it best, especially in an audio medium. Yes, in an audio medium, it's good to have two looks as opposed to one. No, I'm quite. And, you know, can I just.

[Derek Smalls]

Have you ever thought of a hat?

[Conan O'Brien]

I have thought of a hat, but that would obscure the hair, which is the trademark. You can really think about it.

[David St. Hubbins]

Or contact lenses. Imagine taking out Your contact lenses to make a point.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, Senator.

[David St. Hubbins]

That would be tough.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Very difficult. How dare you. But I am able to do this in an interview is whip them off. And it was that. Incredible.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I wasn't being critical.

[Conan O'Brien]

I thought it came across as critical.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Oh, look, you're so sensitive. That's why people like you, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, it's true. It's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

You. I have to ask you because I'm a bit of a guitar enthusiast myself.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Talking to now.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm pointing to you. Okay, everyone point. I've noticed that, Nigel, you have no peripheral vision. None. You couldn't see a camera that's right there. And you have no idea where I am right now.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, I do. I could pinpoint it if you gave me a compass.

[Conan O'Brien]

Has it hurt you in rock and roll to have no peripheral vision?

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, no, I do have. I can see this. I can see this. So I do. I was just being cheeky.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Nigel Tufnel]

What was your question?

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't remember. You have a guitar that I absolutely adore. It's a guitar. It's beautiful. It has the Union Jack on it. But if you turn the guitar over and this is featured in the film, I don't want to give it away.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, you have, but go ahead.

[Conan O'Brien]

I haven't said what it is. There's a secret compartment in the guitar. I adore this guitar. And it's got a. You have to see the film to see this guitar. It's wonderful. Is that available for purchase? Could I buy one or is there only one? And is it yours?

[Nigel Tufnel]

They made one. Yeah, it's just mine.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm getting the feeling you want me to give it to you, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm glad you brought that up.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Nicely done. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's a wonderful guitar. Yeah. I have many, many guitars. And that's one of the really good ones. Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Now, you did invent that, though.

[Conan O'Brien]

You.

[David St. Hubbins]

You.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I did, yeah. I came up with the idea for it and they built it for me.

[David St. Hubbins]

Some of your inventions are great.

[Nigel Tufnel]

And I have other inventions. Yes. Which have not been as successful.

[David St. Hubbins]

No. Would you care about finger bowls for dogs?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

That was never going to happen.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, I had this folding wine glass, you see.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Because I thought if you. If you're going on a picnic and you don't want to carry things, you know, you want to just throw everything in the glass folded in on four sides.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

So it had hinges on all the sides.

[Conan O'Brien]

Were they completely waterproof?

[Nigel Tufnel]

No. So what would happen?

[David St. Hubbins]

They were wine proof.

[Nigel Tufnel]

If you're pouring, let's say a Beaujolais. Whatever. It doesn't really matter. It could be a Medoc or whatever, you know, 81. Could be a. Whatever it is. Chateauneuf du Pas. It could be any number.

[Conan O'Brien]

Just two more. Just two more, please.

[David St. Hubbins]

Just a few more.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

And you pour it in and it just would leak out the bottom.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

So by the time you raise it to your lips, you. Your crotch was soaked in wine. Yeah, that was that one.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, Marty, I want to bring you back in because there are some moments in the documentary and I don't care if I'm giving anything away in the new one, but I was stunned. At one point, the lads. I'll call you the lads. Even though you're old, you all served bravely in the Korean War. I want to say. Settle down. I want to say I was stunned when Sir Paul McCartney enters the rehearsal space and starts jamming with them. It was. I mean, even as a viewer, as someone who's met McCartney myself countless times, probably more than you guys have, and spent a lot of quality time with him. I was. I mean, he's on my speed dial. We talk three times a day. But my point is, it was such a stunning moment. And I was. He is the royalty of rock. He enters the room and I'm gonna say this right now, David, I didn't think you were. I didn't think you were kind to him initially. You seemed a little.

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, you know, that's a two way street. I mean, we all have this picture of Paul and he's the cute beetle and all that. You know, let's not go nuts here. I mean, he's just a person, you know, and he comes in and he's just throwing his weight around. I'm not gonna tell you what it is. It was difficult for me because I'm a creative person. He's a creative person. But that doesn't mean we're going to be on the same page.

[Derek Smalls]

We were. We were stunned, tell you the truth. When he came into the room and as he went through his. Whatever he was doing, it struck me odd that he never mentioned your name.

[David St. Hubbins]

I know you'd think he never brought.

[Conan O'Brien]

Up Conor o' Brien once.

[David St. Hubbins]

No, no, no, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's all right. I'll talk about about that with Paul when I see. We usually meet for flan in West Hollywood, around the city.

[Derek Smalls]

He didn't mention any o'.

[David St. Hubbins]

Brien.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[David St. Hubbins]

I have a fear of flan.

[Conan O'Brien]

Really? Okay. That will be expunged.

[David St. Hubbins]

Don't trust it.

[Conan O'Brien]

You will not. That will Be edited out. The fear of flan. We won't have words for that.

[David St. Hubbins]

It's better if people don't know it.

[Conan O'Brien]

But Marty, you were there when this amazing meeting of the rock gods happened and you knew to keep the cameras rolling.

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, of course.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then were you at all stunned that David was. Paul offered one hint for a bridge on the song. And David was less than gracious to Sir Paul McCartney. How did you feel about that moment?

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, you know, as I see, I put David on the same level as Paul McCartney.

[David St. Hubbins]

That's very.

[Marty DiBergi]

To me. Oh, they. And from one musician. I don't take sides on this. And from one musician to another, he was basically denigrating what David was, what David was putting forth. Now, in all fairness, so was Nigel and so was Derek. They both hated what he was doing. So it was kind of three against one. But I mean, I.

[David St. Hubbins]

But that's the great flaw in a democracy, isn't it?

[Conan O'Brien]

What?

[David St. Hubbins]

I think I've jumped ahead, but trust me, you'll catch up.

[Conan O'Brien]

And Nigel, Sir Elton John joining you guys and revealing that he's a fan and has been a fan.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yes. Well, you know, it works both ways. As he says, he's very sensitive chap. You know, I've known him since we were kids. He's very sensitive. So the thing that with Sir Paul, I wasn't surprised at that because he reacts like that sometimes with Sir Elton. Two sirs. Amazing. You know, it was just. He was so open to playing with us. It was great. It was really fantastic, I thought.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Derek Smalls]

Two sirs. No, madam.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Nice.

[Conan O'Brien]

Very nice. Again, I'm gonna end all wordplay now. There'll be no more word. Done this. I think there's gonna be one more before we go. I won't say again. I don't want to spoil anything. I hope you've mended fences with Elton either. Oh, yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, no, no. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Some things happen and you're going to have to see this for yourself.

[Marty DiBergi]

You know, I meant to ask you that, you know, afterwards. Did. Did the ever sue? Were there. Was there any lawsuits?

[David St. Hubbins]

No, I didn't know anything. No.

[Conan O'Brien]

No.

[David St. Hubbins]

Wouldn't he have sued you as well?

[Marty DiBergi]

Probably, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I got news for you. This is as of an hour ago. You've all been served. You are being sued. Oh, yeah. And it's a figure that matter much.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Will it?

[David St. Hubbins]

Why is that?

[Conan O'Brien]

What was that?

[Nigel Tufnel]

What are they gonna take?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, Sir Elton John is taking possession of your cheese and guitar shop, as I've been told.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Don't think so. I don't think the people in the village where I live with my girlfriend.

[Marty DiBergi]

How come you put quotes around?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, why did you put quotes around girlfriends?

[Nigel Tufnel]

That's for me to know, isn't it?

[David St. Hubbins]

She's great. She's exactly what you've needed all along. Yes, really. It's true. Lovely girl.

[Nigel Tufnel]

But it's a cheese shop. The people in the village love it. They wouldn't allow that to be taken away, boarded up or anything.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, it was not happening there. The town loves Elton John and they're thrilled that he's taken.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, you've never been to the town, so you don't know that.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're just reading what I know. I read the local reading.

[Nigel Tufnel]

What you don't know is what you're doing.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, well, if we're gonna. This is getting contentious and I'm uncomfortable and I feel a little bit like Paul McCartney sitting in with Spinal Tap. Unwelcome. Gentlemen, there's so many more questions I have for you. One is you two fellows grew up together in Squatney, I believe.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yeah, east end of London.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've never heard of squattening.

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, it's gone. It's gone now.

[Conan O'Brien]

How could it be gone?

[David St. Hubbins]

Well, most placed on Dubai because most of it been replaced by a Tesco's.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, okay.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Every city has areas that change or they renamed. You know this.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, but when you said it was gone.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, it's gone in the sense it's not. We can go to the street where we were, but it's not called that anymore. They incorporate other things and then they have a new name or whatever they think.

[David St. Hubbins]

The pub that we used to go to, the Queen's Lips.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, not there.

[David St. Hubbins]

It's gone now. It's an Apple store.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yeah, it's just progress. It was a working class neighborhood.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah, lovely.

[Conan O'Brien]

Has there any. If you go to Liverpool, you will see literal statues of the Beatles everywhere you go. Is it like that if you go to squattney? I mean, you are. You are heroes in Squatney. Is there any memorial and. And Marty, do you think there should be in Squatney?

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, of course there should be, but as they say, they've changed this place so much, I don't know that the young people of today would even know who those. What those statues represented.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I don't think I would know.

[Conan O'Brien]

If you saw a statue to yourself, you wouldn't recognize that statue.

[David St. Hubbins]

Have you ever seen the statue of Lucille Ball in her hometown?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. Yes.

[David St. Hubbins]

You've seen that, right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

We don't want that.

[Marty DiBergi]

Well, they wouldn't put a statue of Lucille Ball there. They put a statue of you.

[David St. Hubbins]

They put a statue of Lucille Ball before they'd put one of us.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Yeah. Derek.

[Derek Smalls]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

This, what a journey for you to go from being this iconic rock star to having a glu museum, non for profit glue museum. And when you got the call that this was happening, you were getting back together with the band. Explain your emotional roller coaster.

[Derek Smalls]

Not so much a roller coaster as a merry grand.

[Conan O'Brien]

So still a wheel, but turning in a direction.

[Derek Smalls]

Turning in a horizontal direction as opposed to a vertical direction.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's a good differentiation. Thank you.

[Derek Smalls]

You know, I, I, I didn't just have the glue museum. I was doing some telework and commercials and adverts, things like that.

[Marty DiBergi]

But you also played with the symphony orchestra.

[Derek Smalls]

I did some of that, yeah. But I was promoting a crypto product called Bruegel coin.

[Conan O'Brien]

Bruegel coin, yeah.

[Derek Smalls]

But I was happy to join the lads.

[David St. Hubbins]

In theory.

[Derek Smalls]

In theory, yeah. It's been bumpy since.

[Nigel Tufnel]

But it's been a long time. It's 15 years since we spoke in between.

[Derek Smalls]

But I kind of like the bumps.

[Conan O'Brien]

What is that noise, please? They're doing other podcasts, very popular ones all around us. Huge rock bands. Gentlemen, you. The mind boggles at the journeys that you have taken in rock and roll financially. How are you doing?

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, I get by. You know, I, my, my, my friend Maria, I mentioned her before. My, my live in chef and significant other. She, she does marvelously well on the catering circuit in the central coast.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[David St. Hubbins]

And so I don't have to worry about a thing, really. I do all these other musical things. They pay some of the rent and all this. And like I say, I enjoy.

[Marty DiBergi]

Is Maria new to you? Because she wasn't there when I first visited.

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, you. On and off, on and off for six or seven years. Yeah. You know, you, you might meet her one day.

[Nigel Tufnel]

First I'm hearing about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, I think financially, you know, I, I, the, the shop seriously does get by the cheese shop. We do make enough. We have a small house just outside the village. And I'll get some residuals, as you'd call them here, royalties and things for music that we do. So I still get. And I play in the pub. I'm playing in a pub with a group which is that doesn't pay at all, actually.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I guess the point I'm making, and I don't want to tread on a sensitive area or be in any way cruel or rude, but I'm just gonna go for this. You guys are in an iconic rock band. If you look at other rock bands from your era, I mean, Rolling Stones. I mean, anyone invol involved in those groups is fantastically rich. We're talking about billionaires. Billionaires.

[David St. Hubbins]

In some cases. Some cases, yeah.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Paul, R.V. and the writers.

[Conan O'Brien]

Huge rolling in it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Excuse me.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Lots of people that didn't make a lot of money. Lots of people. Most people didn't make a lot of money. The famous ones, as the ones you mentioned obviously did. But there are lots and lots of people. Hundreds of bands who played that were famous for a minute or two. Nothing. They have nothing.

[David St. Hubbins]

Freddie and the Dreamers, for example.

[Conan O'Brien]

Again, I have the facts on my fingertips. Freddie and the Dreamers are in the Forbes 500 last year.

[Nigel Tufnel]

No, you don't.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hugely, hugely, hugely successful.

[David St. Hubbins]

Can't make fun of Freddy and the Dreamers anymore.

[Conan O'Brien]

No.

[Marty DiBergi]

War Jerry and the Pacemakers.

[Derek Smalls]

I have to be. I have to be honest with you. That's one of the reasons I rejoined the band was financial difficulties.

[Conan O'Brien]

Thank you for being honest.

[Derek Smalls]

Thank you for noticing it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Derek Smalls]

I had been, as I told you, promoting this cryptocurrency and they paid me in cryptocurrency.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Derek Smalls]

When they went under, I went under.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. So you have less than nothing.

[Derek Smalls]

Yeah, I'm working my way back to nothing.

[Conan O'Brien]

You.

[Marty DiBergi]

You also, Derek, I remember we didn't talk about it, but I think you also tried to start an amusement park. A tap land like Dolly Dollywood. Didn't you try to get them to make a. An amusement park themed park based on tap?

[Derek Smalls]

I thought about it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, you did think about it because you asked the money.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, yeah, I thought about that.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Sent you money. We sent you money.

[Conan O'Brien]

You sent him money? Yes, to create a final tap. And where, where did this money go? When you got the money from Nigel, what did you do with the money?

[Derek Smalls]

Built the glue museum. They don't grow on trees, you know.

[David St. Hubbins]

Trees.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Rubber tree. That actually comes from the tree.

[Derek Smalls]

Yeah, that's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a terrible example.

[David St. Hubbins]

What's the difference between glue and. Since I'm sitting with an expert.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[David St. Hubbins]

Between glue and mucilage.

[Derek Smalls]

Mucilage is gut animal fat.

[Conan O'Brien]

Ah, very good.

[David St. Hubbins]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

What about epoxy? Now, some people think I'm taking us into a very dry area.

[David St. Hubbins]

But you gotta wait for it to dry. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. That's not that, is it? That is it. I'm not having Any more work? No, don't applaud that. We're not having it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

What do you mean? Some people think.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just think there's probably a discerning person in the audience.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Epoxy. Epoxy, which I use on a daily basis, by the way. Epoxy.

[Derek Smalls]

This is not an advert.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Completely different animal than what he does. Completely different thing. It's a scientific thing that has no organic elements at all.

[Conan O'Brien]

Chemical pure things.

[Marty DiBergi]

What do you mean you use it on a daily basis? What do you do with it on a daily basis?

[Nigel Tufnel]

What are you, Ironsides or something? What is this?

[Conan O'Brien]

Ironsides?

[Sona Movsessian]

Bloody.

[Conan O'Brien]

How is that?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Oh, I'm a detective. I'm gonna find out what he's doing. What the is that all about?

[Conan O'Brien]

Can you watch television? I'm just curious. I don't have iron sides.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I don't have a television.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I have to tell you, no one's referenced Ironsides, the TV show starring Raymond Burr, in over 47 years.

[Nigel Tufnel]

And that's my fault? Yeah, well, okay, look, I liked it when it was out in the 70s. We get them after you had a hit.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, of course.

[David St. Hubbins]

What was the name of the bloke that pushed him around? That's all I recall is there was someone pushing him around.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love. I'm getting into some areas I didn't think would get into. Yeah. Who pushed Ironsides around on the original series? And that's something for.

[Nigel Tufnel]

If one of you can answer that. Well, just keep it to yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, did you have. You've now come back together again. And I know there's some difficulties that are well discussed and well chronicled in the documentary. Do you feel enthusiastic about the future of tap?

[David St. Hubbins]

Oh, well, it's two different things. The future and tap.

[Conan O'Brien]

The future of tap is one thing.

[David St. Hubbins]

No, no, I see what happens to.

[Derek Smalls]

You guys play right there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, listen, it's not one. Don't ever point at me again.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's individual opinions on that as well, you know.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, are you enthusiastic about the future of time?

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm positive generally. And think it might be possible to regroup again. Yeah, it's possible.

[David St. Hubbins]

Wide open. Listen, whatever works.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Possible.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Wow, that's a very. This is a nice. And if you.

[Derek Smalls]

You inside.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Depending on maybe your financial.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, depending on whether we call him. Is that the thing?

[David St. Hubbins]

Or if we called him in Z.

[Marty DiBergi]

And if you did an answer and if you did reunite. Do you think there's another film there?

[David St. Hubbins]

Go to hell.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's as good a place to end as any Gentleman. I'll say it again. I saw the first film in 1984. It introduced me to you and your work, and it changed my life in many ways. I don't say this often. Wait a minute. I say it just about every time. Constantly. It's an honor to have you here. I mean, I've said it. To complete nobodies in the business. It's a formality more than anything else, but a complete and utter honor to have you here. This is. This is a dream. And I thank you all very much.

[Derek Smalls]

It's a dream come true is what you mean.

[David St. Hubbins]

Thank all of you.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a dream come true. Yeah. I'm sorry. Cause they're bad dreams. You're right. All right. Spinal Tap, Marty Deburge. Thank you guys so much. And Spinal Tap 2 the End continues is in theater September 12th. And their new book, A Fine Line Between Clever and Stupid.

[Marty DiBergi]

No, no, no, no. A fine line between stupid and clever.

[Conan O'Brien]

And whoever wrote this is just stupid.

[Derek Smalls]

Yeah, but reading it was clever.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's available September 9th. And I'm in for all things Tap, as I think our audiences and many people listening. Spinal Tap, ladies and gentlemen, Marty Deburgey. Thank you.

[Sona Movsessian]

That was great. Thank you so much for including us in that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsessian]

That was really sweet of you.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was a real moment for us. I was looking for a moment when one of your obsessions would come up in the conversation, you know?

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what I mean? But it didn't. It didn't happen.

[Sona Movsessian]

That's all right.

[Conan O'Brien]

Channing Tatum never came up. Abs. I told you guys, jump in at any time. Did I not say that beforehand? You did. Okay, then shut up. I'm not even complaining. I know. I just wanted to go after you. It's fun.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, Go after him.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was. That was. That was really fun. Lovely to talk to those guys, and. I mean, saw them years ago and to finally meet them, and all together, it was just one of those pinch me moments. Yep. Yeah. Big time. Okay. That's an awkward silence. Yep. Sorry. A little sincerity, and everyone's like, what the fuck was that? We don't know what to do. How is that funny?

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Because we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop, you know?

[Conan O'Brien]

There's no other shoe, no nothing. I just had a really lovely moment. You can both shut up now.

[Sona Movsessian]

No, that's just sincerity. We don't know what that looks like. I mean, that's what that is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. It doesn't look very attractive, guys. I do have the glasses on sometimes, and I take them off sometimes. And I think I'm a fidgety person, but I like the movement. I like the action.

[Sona Movsessian]

Nobody was asking about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, they asked me about it.

[Sona Movsessian]

Why did you. I know, but it's. You know, you do that. I'll do it again. Huh? Yeah. Look at that guy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I can't see now. I'm gonna read. What'd you say? What are you doing? You doing a little bit.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

I can't hear you when his glasses are off.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, take your glasses off. Stuff. What a prick.

[Sona Movsessian]

Oh. What's going on? Well, hey, guys, this is. Guys.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Does he know?

[Conan O'Brien]

Great.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

You're great.

[Conan O'Brien]

You like that bit? Guy who can't hear when his glasses are off?

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, I was doing the effects in your head and stuff, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, let's do it again.

[David St. Hubbins]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsessian]

Okay. This is fun.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, man, I want to quit.

[Sona Movsessian]

Life is nice.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want to quit.

[Sona Movsessian]

I love how everything is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, God.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

If I just walk out of here, I love this job.

[Conan O'Brien]

So I go, oh, when I put my glasses back up. I hired you as an assistant. You do sound effects, you do voices, you do tricks. I know you had no idea. Hey, Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend is brought to you by Airbnb. Hello, and welcome to the very first Conan o' Brien Airbnb original experience. This is our first time. Yeah. Very exciting for our audio listeners. We're at the SiriusXM garage here in Los Angeles, and we are having a blast. And whoever wrote that put an exclamation point at the end, which makes me think it was Blay.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. Guilty. Yeah. Yeah. Black. You would talk that way at a funeral. Isn't this awesome? No one expected you'd die that young. This is a very special event. This is really fun. Everyone here today is getting custom rock and roll merch. Yeah. And Blay. What else are they getting? Well, everybody got to say how they feel about being Conan o', Brien' which is a first for our podcast as well as after the recording is done. Stick around because we've got. The US Air Guitar association is here. They're the NFL of air guitar. You're going to compete for fame and glory. See a showcase of air Guitar All Stars in the first ever Team Coco Air Guitar Championship, which is very exciting. Yeah. There's some cool signed stuff you can. And when it's all signed by Blay.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Though, just so you know.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And the stuff is pieces of asbestos from a decommissioned battleship. Action figures. Enjoy that. Asbestos. No, we have some great stuff for you. US Air Guitar Championship what happened to our podcast? What happened? I ascended the very highest heights of show business. Stick around for our Air Guitar championship. It's fun. People are gonna have a good time. How do you guys like our original Airbnb experience? How great is Spinal Tap? What do you have a good time? Everyone have a good. I wanna just big than. Thanks to everyone who came out to our Team Coco Airbnb Experience. And thank you to Airbnb for making this happen. They've been terrific partners and I'm also a satisfied Airbnb customer. And I believe now is the part of the show we're going to introduce your real assistant. Well, I shouldn't say that. My true assistant. Okay, that's not cool. The hammer of Thor sits beside me. This is. You were forged in Asgard. You are the original immortal weapon, the Sonam of session. When you say Conan's assistant. It's Sona. That is Sona's assistant. Conan's assistant is Sona. Sona is the assistant to Conan. It's just one of those universal truths. But Sona, of course, went on to bigger and better things. She's now on a giant billboard in Times Square. She's got her own book. She's gone on to. She drives around in a Bentley. Did you know that Sona has a Bentley?

[Sona Movsessian]

Not me alone.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And her license plate says suck. Would. Yeah, it would. You would get that. I would, but she's in the stratosphere. I need someone who actually show me how to use my apps. And these days, that man is. Where is he? David Hopping, are you here? David Hopping? David, join us. All right. Right here. Sit or stand. David, your current obsession. Why don't you have a seat? You can have seat. Okay. It's okay. Just don't get comfortable. As far away as possible. I'm gonna make you leave. Yeah, that's great. It looks like you're being punished. Yeah. This is like a COVID protocol. Okay. David. Yes. You're obsessed lately with the Summer I Turned Pretty. Sona and I both are. What's going on with that? Because every time I will call you about something important, like there's a small fire in my kitchen. How do I contact the fire department? And you say, are you watching the Summer I Turn Pretty? Oh, yeah. Cause it comes out every Wednesday. Are you. Which one are you? Team Brenda or JoJo? What is it? I don't. I don't know the names of the people. How is it. I think we're all Team Conrad?

[Sona Movsessian]

Okay, well, yeah, there's our homies. In the back.

[Conan O'Brien]

In the back.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

No. Sona and I text about this show.

[Sona Movsessian]

We do. It's very important.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anytime there's like a Netflix show or like a show made for like 16 year old girls, I know I can rely on Sona to watch it as well.

[Sona Movsessian]

Anything with, like hot 20 something year olds just, like, doing it. We'll watch it.

[Conan O'Brien]

At what point? I mean, as I have this question, at what point is it creepy that you're watching that stuff and getting excited about it? If I were to admit that I love watching hot 20 year olds go at it, I'm immediately arrested and rightfully so. What about you? When has it become creepy?

[Sona Movsessian]

I don't know. Probably now. Is that weird? Like, as I was saying it, I was like, I mean, they're not.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's not great for us.

[Sona Movsessian]

Great. It's not a good look.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're helping the business. You know what I love this is how you help me the most, is that I bring you in to ask you about various things and you tell me, David, what's going on in the youth culture, what's happening in America? Because you're from the heartland, you're still very innocent. You're very naive. He is. I think he grew up not near a cornfield. He grew up in and amongst, surrounded by Corin grew up around him. And you are always telling me, this is what people are watching now. I'm Team Conrad. I don't know what's happening. And so I use you to keep me aware of what's happening. It's job security. Yeah. And how to use my apps. Yeah. All right. What are we doing here? You're gonna take some questions from the audience.

[Marty DiBergi]

Sure.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then give them answers. Yeah, no, we're just taking questions, but no answer. Raise your hand if you have a question. David, I can hear your shoes. It's awkward. Sorry. Hi, I'm Alon. I'm very nervous right now. Don't be nervous. This is a safe space. We're all friends. I might attack you at any moment. I have also hired people to attack you from behind. Don't be nervous. Seriously. We're just people. But I'm exceptionally talented. Go ahead. I'm one of those people. It's like, oh, my God, you met him. What did you say? And there's a lot of what's happening? Set. Do you want to stand? This was fine. God damn, Blay. I love you. I love you. Hey, we love you. You know, we know you. Oh, and this doesn't work. That's great. Okay. I now have this mic, and I can stand. What's your name again? Alon Olan. Alon. Elon. Alon Olan.

[Marty DiBergi]

Like, along came along.

[Conan O'Brien]

You were right to be nervous. I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding. All right, Joe. How are you? Conan? I was wondering. I started watching you when I was 12, so this was always a dream of mine. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Are there guests who you still get nervous to talk to? I wouldn't say I get nervous. That would be the wrong word. I get focused. I get very focused. I think this has been thousands and thousands of hours, and I've talked to so many people, there's no nervous anymore. But there is a moment before I go out where I look at, I think about what I'm gonna talk about, and I get with certain people, and I get very focused. So you don't have to fight through anything? I don't think I have to fight through anything anymore. And this sounds like a joke, but I think. I just think I've been through so much that at this point, it's hard to summon that. That was probably more in my earlier life, in my 20s and early 30s, but at this point, I think all of my dignity has been shredded, and I'm just. I don't know. I'm being truthful. I think there's a. Okay, let's see what happens.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Does anything make you nervous?

[Conan O'Brien]

Anything else? Else? What do you mean? Am I capable of feeling? Am I like, the guy who scares. Do you have feelings? Are you. Is it, like, free solo? Do I not have the part of my brain? Yeah, I fear. Yeah, I would fear. There are plenty of things I would fear, but not. Not getting up in front of people. Yeah. I think making a terrible financial decision would frighten me because I think I'd be blamed and mocked. You know?

[Sona Movsessian]

I thought you were gonna say something about your, like, family.

[Marty DiBergi]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

God, no. You can always get another family. Hey, nice to meet you. And good question. Yes, Elon.

[Sona Movsessian]

Alon.

[Conan O'Brien]

Alon. I'm not doing this on purpose. I have a new favorite podcast now. I deserve that. Whose alarm is going off? I think it's someone's sincerity Alarm. Did you hear a beeping sound? No. Nope. Someone. Did you hear it? Anyone? Oh, my God. I think I'm very ill. Wow. Yes. How can I help you, sir?

[Marty DiBergi]

So I have less of a question, more of a quick request. I have my instant camera on me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Could I take a picture with the gang? Yeah, of course. Can I come down now? Is that good? Yeah, I like your late show with Stephen Colbert here to change your shirt. No, seriously, good friend Stephen. And I'm glad you're out representing good man. So let's get down here and let's take this picture.

[Sona Movsessian]

Do we have to stand up?

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Why don't you lie down?

[Conan O'Brien]

There you go. Wow. This is all gonna be recorded. No one's going to ask a question anymore. Conan, I'm type O positive. Can I have a pancreas? Okay, we're going to go back to questions. Gentlemen. Yes. You brought your own microphone. Very good. How can I help you? I would love it if people brought their own microphones. I know that was our one request. Go ahead, sir. So I was wondering, outside of this is spinal tap, what's your favorite Christopher guest movie? Oh, wow. I'm gonna say waiting for guffman. Hell yeah. Yeah, I love waiting for guffman. I mean, I can just watch it endlessly. He's genius level funny and so I'm delighted by so much of his work. So. So a follow up call, cone agent. You guys are getting out of here. Last I had a question, but turned into a photo op. You took one question and turned it into two. I don't like the way this is going. Go ahead, sir. So when you saw this is final tap in 1984, was that like. So for me, watching the Simpsons Ladies, early 90s, that was my first look at satire and parody. Yeah. So for you, can you think of anything? Because Monty Python is a bit more sketch comedy and less satire and parody in a. In a direct sense? Yep. Do you think this is final tap was like help mold you into wanting to do satire? Definitely. I mean, there's nobody my from my era who wasn't influenced by that film. I believe that there's a period of your life that only happens once. When music, comedy, all the things that are important to you can hit you in a very pure, unadulterated way. And then a window closes. It doesn't close completely, but there's a period in your life and it's like 15, 16, 17. And for me, that was SCTV, definitely Monty Python, Clouseau films, select ones with Peter Sellers. There were just things that were moments on Saturday night live. There were things that just hit me directly, mainlined into my brainstem. And 1984, I'm working for this college humor magazine. I've sworn myself. It's like I remembered saying, I don't care if I totally never make a penny. If I'm. If it never goes anywhere, I'm Gonna devote myself to comedy. I recently cleaned out my parents house and I found all these comedy ideas I was writing when I was like, 1920, and they're not good. And at the bottom of one page, I was. I was writing them on a typewriter and no one was even. Computers existed at the time. So I don't know. I'm still writing things on a typewriter, but in ink at the bottom. I had reviewed my work and said, please, comedy gods, help me to do better than this crap. I mean, I was so hard on myself. And so. And that's the age I am when I go to this theater in, like, Allston, Massachusetts, and see, that's where we're from. All right. You are being harassed. You look amazing, by the way. You look lovely. But, yeah, I saw this Spinal Tap, and I think a lot of us had the same feeling, which is this is a way of being funny that was so ahead of its time. And if you think about the Office and Parks and Rec and all these shows that do reportage kind of mockumentary style, to me it really starts with. I know the Ruddles precedes that, but the real pure dose is Spinal Tap, so. Meant everything to me. Yeah, great question. Take some more questions here and David will get to. He's just taking his time, that's all.

[Rebecca]

He got the mic, but he's my husband, so he gave it to me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, that's such a nice.

[Rebecca]

I think he might have an actual question, but this is so awkward.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, don't. Don't worry about it.

[Rebecca]

It's more of a. Can I give you a gift or something? I'm. I'm an illustrator and I drew a picture of you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. Bring it on up. That's so nice. Come on up. Check it out. That's so cool. That's so nice.

[Rebecca]

I can't show everyone the whole thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

What is it?

[Rebecca]

Because I think I might get in trouble with work if I show you the whole thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I shouldn't. Will I get you in trouble? You can show it and edit it out.

[Rebecca]

You can show that.

[Conan O'Brien]

You just yell things. Take off your pants. Put a stapler in your ass. What? Oh, let's see what this is. I can show this. That's so great. This is me looking at. I mean, we may have to. I think it's been made public, actually.

[Sona Movsessian]

Okay, good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. But this is the character I'm going to play in Toy Story 5, whose name's Smarty Pants. That's right. I love that. And who do you work for Disney Pixar? Well, you're not only fired, but they're gonna pursue you the rest of your life.

[Rebecca]

I hope none of them.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like, do you work up at the Bay Area? No, no.

[Rebecca]

Glendale. But I do visit Emeryville sometimes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, so I'm working on The Toy Story 5. I have a character in it which is. Is one of the coolest things I've been a part of. And I got to go up to the Pixar studios in the Bay Area, and they showed me all the offices and all these iconic things, and it was like Willy Wonka saying, do you want to see my. My chocolate factory?

[Rebecca]

That's crazy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, it was really fun.

[Rebecca]

I've seen the offices before, too. Just once, and it was kind of mind blowing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, well, you. You guys are so talented and so cool. Did you actually make this yourself?

[Rebecca]

So I work on product.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Rebecca]

So I work on things like I drew Smarty Pants for product, but it doesn't look as, like, nice. It's, like, for kids, so they really want it.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's all right. That's all right. You're doing well. I love it when creative talented people just find a way to make their mark on the world. That's really impressive to me.

[Rebecca]

It's good to be here because I was in legal for nine years before this, and it's.

[Conan O'Brien]

You escaped hell?

[Rebecca]

I escaped hell, yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I'm not putting down lawyers, but you're terrible people. Sorry. And what is your. Let's give a shout out to. What is your husband's name?

[Rebecca]

Jonathan. Jonathan. Jon. Jon.

[Conan O'Brien]

You forgot his name for a second, didn't you? This marriage is in terrible trouble. He surrendered the microphone out of fear. Are you. Is he a creative person as well?

[Rebecca]

He likes to write poems.

[Conan O'Brien]

Aw, that's lovely. Recite, recite. Wait a minute. Recite, recite. You stand up and say, recite it.

[Rebecca]

I can say he did spoken word at our wedding, and I was mortified.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, but. Wait a minute. Wow. I'm gonna stick up for him. I think a. That's lovely that you would do that. That guy's got. I mean, that's very cool.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what? I wanted someone to do spoken word at my wedding, and someone did. It was just a. It turned out it was just a drunken diatribe about the many ways I fucked people over in life by my new wife. Lovely to meet you. Thank you so much for this, and give my best to the gang at Pixar. You're really talented. So cool. What's that. Why are you yelling now? Wait, I'm sorry. That was his latest poem. Yeah. Very cool. Now I'm just cruising around like a creep. Hey, how are ya? Hello. How are ya? You're scared of me now, right? Love the hair. Fanta. Anybody else? I can just go to you and have a question? Yes, how are you, sir? What do you have? Just shout it out. Okay, thank you. So first I wanted to say thank you very much. I'm gonna get behind you in case you prove to be dangerous. You're dressed like a Batman villain. I love it. Two faces here. No, stand up, sir. Show everyone your outfit. Man, you dressed up for this. Good for you. Look at that. Very nice. What is your name? Christopher.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Christopher, can you use the mic on him real quick?

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, what's that? Hold on. Watch this. I'll do it. I've watched game shows. What's your name again, sir? My name is Christopher. Christopher. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm moving a microphone between us so this conversation will be staccato. Is that okay with you? That is very okay with me. Okay. Where'd you get the outfit? H and M. Okay, terrific. Wonderful company, but not a sponsor. They can go to hell. What's your question, sir? So my question is, what do you use for your hair? And when can we expect a hair care line from you? You know what? Okay, this is a great question. This is a terrific question. Because my manager, Gavin Pallone, a true animal, who I've been with since, like, 1992, he's always wanting me to be involved with some kind of product. He says, there's a lot of money in that stuff, man. And I'll say, that's not me. I don't do that. But then we did come up with an idea a while ago, and we just haven't done it. Which is a pomade. A pomade. Where's my illustrator friend? There we go. A pomade. But, like, it's got that cool kind of 1930s. It comes in that tiny. And it's got, like, a cool logo, and it's the Conan pomade. And I'm telling you, it would be the goop of the modern era. It's not. I was just referencing the company. But it would be, you know, because that's done great for Gwyneth. I mean, she drives around in nine Bentleys strapped together that all say suck it. But you can't have more than one license plate that says the same thing. But she got around it because she's working Gwyneth I think a pomade. I think a pomade and a couple of pomades. What do you think? I'll buy it right now. What's that? Say again? If you have it, I'll buy it right now. Well, you seem like a SAP. I'll buy anything. I'm gonna somehow make this happen. A Conan pomade. And I'll donate all the. Well, no, I'm not gonna say that. That's just stupid. I mean, what if it really blows up? I'll say this. If it doesn't do well, I'll donate the proceeds to a good cause. If it does really well, I'm buying an island somewhere. Okay? And I'm just gonna go there and be a total freak. All right, so. Yeah. What's that?

[Sona Movsessian]

I said con aid, and then I got really embarrassed. I did that. So I don't know.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've never known you to be embarrassed about anything you've said.

[Sona Movsessian]

I know, because I said it so quietly, and no one heard it. And I was like, I got away with it. And then you turned around to me and asked.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I sensed that you were in danger. Yeah, I'm like a T. Rex that sees movement. If someone slightly misspeaks, I can see for 900 miles. True. So true. I. Yeah, I'm like, this pomade idea, I'm telling you, it could have, like, a cool logo that looks like it's, like, kind of from the 20s, and it's. What's that outline of my hair? But you know what I mean, it has. It needs just the right font. I've got to get right the right mixture of different spices and oils. I want it to be something you can also eat if you're hungry. I want to. I want to put a little protein in it, so there's a little bit of. Of, you know, cow collagen in there. You can just put it in your hair, but then go like. I'm feeling tired, and I want there to be little tiny pieces of bacon inside. This is the cream that goes in your hair. Yeah. Okay. Duh. What's with dummy over here? I love this. I think this is a fantastic idea. What's your name? Yeah, I just like wandering around, but use the mic. It's good because this is all going to end up on the podcast. Hi, how are you? Nice to see you. Really delighted. I saw you ladies backstage. Don't know how you got back there. It frightened me. Yes, go ahead.

[Sona Movsessian]

I was just letting you schmooze, which is totally cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like a wingman. That's very cool. You're like, oh, Conan's talking to these ladies up front. I better give him his space so that he can cheat on his wife.

[Sona Movsessian]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

How dare you turn against Liza like. Like that? No.

[Sona Movsessian]

Absolutely not.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anyway, drinks later.

[Sona Movsessian]

I also had another movie question.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep.

[Sona Movsessian]

And it's probably open ended, but you're obviously like, the creator of your universe and going in.

[Conan O'Brien]

What are you talking about? Do not give him any ideas with everyone. The creator of my universe. I'm looking at the people out here so that they feel included. It's the guy that high five me. I don't do well with them. I don't get a good connection. It's not you. You. What? Your elbow. Look at the elbow. Yeah. Okay. Sir, I. No, I'm sorry. I will take your question in one second. You had a question about me creating the universe, and then this guy. Go ahead. So I will teach you how to give a perfect high five every time. But I don't like doing them. Then I will not teach you how to give a perfect type. Teach me so I know how to do it if I need to do it. Go ahead. I'm assuming your right hand. Yes, I am, sir. What a dick. I'm being mansplained and I'm a man. All right, you look at my elbow. Yeah. And I'm gonna look at your elbow. On the count of three, we go, one, two, three. Yeah. Yours was much stronger than mine, and it pulled my elbow out of my socket. My shoulder, I'm bleeding into my shirt. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna start. But you know what? A lot of people doing it hard on fur. What's that? Oh, you have your own podcast going on over here. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people on the street. And this is. That gets me. Sometimes people are maybe 30 yards away, and they'll be like. And they stand there like the fucking Statue of Liberty and click. You know what I mean? And then it's. They've been eating a sloppy joe. They haven't watched their hands. It's a mess. Sir, what's your name? Hypes. Okay, Hypes. Oh, you're the. You're the air guitar guy. I could tell there was something about you that caused me an existential dread. Well, best of luck to you. Your parents must be thrilled. Let's shake it out. Thank you so much. Nice to meet you, sir. Well, you're in for a treat with Hypes. Hypes, the master of air Guitar. I'm so sorry. Your name again. You know, when Hypes takes over, I mean, he literally smashed through the window. There's a reason they put him behind that salad guard.

[Sona Movsessian]

It's totally fine. But it's your movie with Rose Byrne.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

If I had legs, I'd kick you.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah. And again, it's very open ended, but like, you obviously are you.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, you said it like there's nothing that can be done. Tragically, you are you. And this is a condition from which no one recovers.

[Sona Movsessian]

But it's just that shift.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Sona Movsessian]

Like, obviously you've fact did all that. But even when I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, wow, this is something totally different.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsessian]

And again, open on a question.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, there is no question there, but that's okay. I. I think I know what you're getting at, which is talk about that thing that you did. I'm thrilled because I got a. It's an A24 film. And I love their. I mean, with. I. I love everything A24 does. I get a call. It's an A24 film. The director wants to show you a script that she's written. Her name's Mary Bronstein. I meet with her. She's got such a cool vision. She writes the script. That floors me. And then Rose Byrne is cast. And all my scenes are opposite Rose. And I, like anyone who's sentient, adores Rose Byrne. I just adore her. I just think she's amazing. And so I do this. I took it really seriously. And Rose gives this insane performance. Who here has seen it? Have you seen it? Sona, you haven't seen it? No. Who has? I think David, you saw it. And Rose right here, you should have a microphone too.

[Sona Movsessian]

David saw it. That's cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, because I took.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah, I'm happy for you. It's a cool thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

Rose is incredible in it. It's just insane. And David was with me during the shooting of it because that's what a real assistant does. He comes with you. And it was a really difficult time and you were.

[Sona Movsessian]

You never shot movies when I worked for you. So that's on you, bro.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, I guess it is. I guess it is. It's my fault.

[Sona Movsessian]

Yeah. And he went to Pixar with you too, didn't he?

[Conan O'Brien]

He did, yeah. We had so many. I mean, you know what's great? My career has just blossomed into this wonderful thing. And Sona stepped off the boat. Sona was on a boat that went to Pittsburgh, Cleveland. Now we've hit the Caribbean and just beforehand she stepped off.

[Sona Movsessian]

I know.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you screwed up, Sona. Anyway, it's really fun. It was a great experience. I really think the movie is fantastic. And I credit completely. I mean, it's really. It's Mary Bronstein. It's Rose Byrne, asap. Rocky. I'm in there too, but I give it up totally for them. I just was so. I love being a part of that, and I'm excited to hear what people think when it comes out.

[Sona Movsessian]

I'm really excited to see you in, like, in the that medium space. You know what I mean?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Not so shrill and needy. Words created by other people just seem.

[Sona Movsessian]

So mean and, like, unapologetic.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, it's funny. I guess I'm a great actor. I pretended and was able to act as if I have a mean part of me, and it was just a complete transformation. Unbelievable. No one can believe. But what I did is I read about people being mean and cruel and I tried to imagine what that was like. Okay, don't like you, and I don't like you. I think that is our show. This was, you know, I'll say this. This is. This was just fun. Like so many of the things we get to do in this medium, this was just complete fun. This is not work. This is play. And so grateful that we got to do this. Really amazing. And thank you. You guys made this really fun with your energy and your enthusiasm, and you seem like really nice people, and we're blessed to have fans like you. Let's do it again. All right.

[Audience Member / Moderator]

Conan o' Brien needs a friend. With Conan o', Brien, Sonam of Session and Matt Gourley produced by me, Matt Gourley executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross and Nick Leow. Theme song by the White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivienne. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair, and our associate talent producer is Jennifer. Samples, engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Bautista and Brit Kahn. You can rate and review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Kohler? Call the Team Coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode. You can also get three free months of SiriusXM when you sign [e-mail] conan and if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O'.

[Marty DiBergi]

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[Audience Member / Moderator]

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