Summer S’mores with Conan and the Chill Chums Season 5 Episode 5

Summary

Podcast Summary

Overview

Episode: Summer S’mores with Conan and the Chill Chums – Season 5, Episode 5
Date: August 21, 2025
Hosts: Conan O’Brien, Sona Movsesian, Matt Gourley
Guest/Chill Chum: Dr. Jose Arroyo (Conan’s “personal physician”)

Main Theme:
This episode is a playful outdoor installment in the "Summer S’mores" series. The Chill Chums (Conan, Sona, Matt) gather for an intensely competitive—and thoroughly ridiculous—game of cornhole featuring custom boards with their own faces. Amid relentless trash talk, friendly sabotage, and faux-medical commentary, the conversation spirals into everything from s’more preferences to comical debates on victory, bitterness, and sport.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setup and Stakes

• The hosts introduce the final outdoor "Chill Chums" summer episode, revealing a much-anticipated cornhole match (03:42).
• Boards unveiled: Custom cornhole sets depict Conan’s and Sona’s gaping mouths—“to scale,” per Conan (04:15).
• Dr. Jose Arroyo is present in a tongue-in-cheek medical capacity, recalling his “credentialless” origin story (02:37).

Quote (Conan, 04:27):
"That is to scale, by the way. That is my...the circumference of my open mouth and its relationship to my head."

2. The Cornhole Showdown

• Clear game rules: 1 point for landing on the board, 3 for getting a bag in the “mouth.” (04:59)
• Sona and Conan immediately launch into aggressive, playful trash talk (05:12).

Quote (Sona, 05:37):
"Yeah, you fucking can’t throw, you little bitch. Who—what a wasted—what wasted height? Like, who’s this tall and can’t even fucking sport, you fucking loser."

• Play is commentated by Matt and Dr. Arroyo, with Sona gaining an early lead and Conan feigning both nonchalance and scheming.

Notable Play-by-Play Moments:

• Conan misses first throw: “Goose egg. That went flat. Flew over like an F15.” (06:07)
• Sona dominates: “Oh my god. This is embarrassing for you.” (06:39)
• Conan’s bravado: Insists he’s just “making space up front” for a dramatic comeback (07:34, 07:45).

3. Comic Interludes and Character Bits

• Frequent detours include fake medical advice, with Dr. Arroyo deadpanning about the (non-)dangers of beanbag injuries and his dubious qualifications (02:46, 03:21).
• Conan and Sona riff on their alleged backgrounds and supposed athletic abilities, with Sona taunting Conan as a “dork” and Conan insisting the game is “in the mind more than the arm” (08:01, 10:34).

Quote (Conan, 10:33):
“Cornhole’s a game. It’s in the mind more than the arm.”

4. S’mores Segment & Hershey’s Debate

• The real reason for the “Summer S’mores” series is revealed to be a years-long ploy for Hershey’s sponsorship (12:08).
• Conan admits to previous anti-s'mores rhetoric (“my past comments on s’mores divided a nation”), but lavishes praise on new Hershey’s bars, especially the caramel version.
• Sona’s enthusiasm: “Tasting that was my purpose in life.” (13:23)

5. Competition Climax

• Sona’s initial dominance falters; Conan methodically narrows the point gap.
• The final round is intense, marked by more trash talk and playful sabotage. Sona’s family, all “cool people,” are invoked, only for Sona (in bitter defeat) to claim, “I’m mad at my family. I’m mad at everyone who works on this stupid fucking podcast.” (18:08)

Quote (Sona, 18:08):
“Losing to Conan is probably my biggest nightmare. ...I hate it so much. ...I can’t think of anything I hate more than losing to Conan.”

• Matt Gourley as commentator notes, “For all his talk, Conan comes through and the Empire has won. God, you hate to see it, and I’m an unbiased observer, man.” (16:20)

6. Aftermath and Gloating

• Conan relishes his unexpected victory, claiming, “All I do is savor the victory out loud. I don’t know if that’s what gloating is...with great bravado. If that’s gloating, then I suppose I’m a gloater.” (18:51)
• Sona is irate and devastated, vowing revenge and blaming everyone except herself.
• Matt’s wry summary: “Life is a series of miserable disappointments and there’s no justice.” (21:08)

7. Shoutouts, Farewells, and Absurd Extras

• Praise for the art department’s cornhole boards and the production team.
• Conan thanks the team and his “physician,” who in turn admits to being a live cornhole target-for-hire at $19 an hour (24:04), offering surreal comic relief.
• Sona and Matt bemoan Conan’s “bad winner” energy to close out the outdoor season.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Custom Board Reveal (Conan):
  “Oh, these are fantastic. ...That is to scale, by the way. That is my...mouth.” – 04:15

• Sona’s Opening Trash Talk: “Who’s this tall and can’t even fucking sport, you fucking loser.” – 05:37

• Conan’s Refusal of Humility: “Cornhole’s a game. It’s in the mind more than the arm.” – 10:33

• Sona’s Bitter Defeat: “I hate losing things in general, but losing to Conan is probably my biggest nightmare. ...I’m mad at everyone.” – 18:08

• Dr. Arroyo on His Medical Practice: “I have not looked into your credentials, and I’ve been told by you that’s not a good idea.” – 03:22
  “I am a live cornhole target. ...For $19 an hour.” – 24:04

• Conan Reflecting on His Victory:
  “All I do is savor the victory out loud. I don’t know if that’s what gloating is. ...If that’s gloating, then I suppose I’m a gloater.” – 18:51

• Existential Summary (Matt Gourley): “Life is a series of miserable disappointments and there’s no justice.” – 21:08

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:42] Cornhole match rules, setup, and board reveal
• [05:12] Trash talk begins; game intensifies
• [07:45] Conan claims it’s all part of his comeback strategy
• [10:33] Psychological gamesmanship: cornhole “in the mind, not the arm”
• [12:08] Hershey’s s’mores segment—Conan’s real agenda revealed
• [16:20] Final round, Conan emerges victorious
• [18:08] Sona’s epic rant about defeat
• [18:51] Conan owns his gloating—reluctantly
• [21:08] Matt’s existential reflection on this “series of miserable disappointments”
• [24:04] Dr. Arroyo’s post-match career as a human cornhole target

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by boisterous camaraderie:

• Conan is classic Conan—dramatic, silly, unrepentant in both defeat and victory, always quick with a quip.
• Sona is feisty, competitive, and unfiltered, her loss producing a mix of genuine (comic) pain and energetic blame-shifting.
• Matt offers droll play-by-play commentary, occasionally punctuating the nonsense with grand, downbeat pronouncements.
• The atmosphere is pure "Chill Chums": competitive but affectionate, irreverent, and hostile only in the most loving ways.

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In Summary

This “Summer S’mores” episode serves as the perfect capstone to the outdoor season—equal parts game, roast, and therapy session. Conan’s underdog win (and unrestrained gloating), Sona’s meltdown, and Matt’s drolly existential color commentary form a festival of absurdity. The whole thing is held together by elaborate running jokes (fake doctors! Hershey’s conspiracies! Live human cornhole boards!) and the group’s shared delight in undermining each other.

No lessons were learned; no one’s better for it—but it’s unmissable comedy.

Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sonam Obsession]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sonam Obsession]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sonam Obsession]

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[Conan O'Brien]

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[Matt Gourley]

Mores with Conan and the Chill Chums. A six part series with Conan O', Brien, Sonam of Session and Matt Corley. Let's get started.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey, Conan O' Brien here. Welcoming you to episode five of Summer S' Mores 2025. I'm joined by my fellow broadcaster extraordinaire. Trained her whole life for this, basically screwed around and just landed her butt and butter. This is Sonam of Session Sona. It's exciting today and we're gonna play a game. And I know you're very competitive when you play games.

[Sonam Obsession]

I am. And I know you're very competitive when you play games.

[Conan O'Brien]

I am a man who has seasoned with time. I'm very chill and accepting of any results.

[Sonam Obsession]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's go now to our commentators. Here we have two, of course, Matt Gourley. Matt, how are you?

[Matt Gourley]

I'm fine, thanks. Conan, how are you?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm good. And thank you for that very stiff rejoinder.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm in commentator mode. I've got business to do, business to conduct.

[Conan O'Brien]

And the business of America is the business. We are going to play Cornhole.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

That.

[Matt Gourley]

That's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I'm going to go up against the dreaded Sonoma of Session, who's terrific at cornhole. Well, and we're also joined by My personal physician, who's here in case. Because I'm doing a physical activity. That's right. And, Dr. Arroyo, I've. You suggested that you should be here to monitor my physical movements.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Exactly. Exactly. From the safe distance, you're gonna be throwing things that weigh a little bit, and I just want to make sure that you do it safely.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, but we're Talking about beanbags, Dr. Arroyo. These. A child, literally. Maybe a newborn could hold these beanbags.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I have no. I'm not worried about a newborn.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. All right. Now, Dr. Arroyo, you've been with me for, I think, 11 years now.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

That's correct.

[Conan O'Brien]

Since we. We met, I think, at a parking lot of a Taco Bell.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

That's correct. That's correct. You looked like you needed some help, and I didn't.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was fine. I was walking to my car and. And you said, I need cash. Help me.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I looked like I needed cash.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And anyway, you then became my physician.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

That's correct.

[Conan O'Brien]

I have not looked into your credentials, and I've been told by you that's not a good idea.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

It's not necessary. And I'm here to watch the cornhole game, and I'm just as capable of doing this as I am of practicing medicine.

[Conan O'Brien]

Very good. All right. Well, shall we begin? What do you think, Matt? You're in charge here.

[Matt Gourley]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 2025 Summer S' mores Corn Invitational. I'm Matt Gourley. This is Dr. Jose Arroyo, your color commentators for this afternoon of sport and frivolity. Our contestants today, Conan o', Brien, Sonam Obsessian. We've been talking about this game here in the office for well over a year, and it's been rumored about that we would actually have a competition between the two. We didn't do it last year, but we're doing it this year. And we have some surprise cornhole boards here. And I think it's time to reveal what we're looking at and the playing field blay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, wow. Look at that. Oh, these are fantastic. Oh, wow.

[Matt Gourley]

So, listener at home, These boards are the perfect depiction of Conan with a giant, wide open mouth to throw the beanbags.

[Conan O'Brien]

And that is to scale, by the way. That is my. The circumference of my open mouth and its relationship to my head.

[Matt Gourley]

Gorgeous. And then the same for Sona. There's a representation of Sona with an open mouth. Dr. Arroyo, do these seem anatomically correct?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

They do, actually. I've seen Conan yell and get his mouth that bit big, so yes.

[Matt Gourley]

All right, so Are you guys familiar with the rules of cornhole?

[Conan O'Brien]

Don't you just try and get it in the hole?

[Matt Gourley]

That's pretty much it, yeah.

[Sonam Obsession]

Where can we throw from? I know. You can't go too far.

[Matt Gourley]

You can go anywhere behind the front of the board.

[Conan O'Brien]

Got it?

[Matt Gourley]

Got it. And so we'll begin with you, Conan. You're tossing Red into Sona, okay? And whenever you're ready, you get one point for landing on the board, three points for getting in the mouth, and zero points for any that fall off.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay? So I should put these up here so they're ready, right?

[Sonam Obsession]

We can talk shit. Right?

[Matt Gourley]

You should.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you alternate shots. So it's. What's that? You're supposed to alternate shots or throw alternate shots. Okay.

[Matt Gourley]

Careful if your toe does go in front of the board.

[Conan O'Brien]

Violation, bitch. Okay. And really, no, this is good. We need. We need to talk trash. This will up the game. So let me have it, Sona. And really give me your best, you know, Glendale slash Altadena. Harsh vibes.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah, you fucking can't throw, you little bitch. You. You're. Yeah. Who. What a wasted. What Wasted height? Like, who's this tall and can't even fucking sport, you fucking loser.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, let's dial it back a little bit. That was atrocious. And I'm gonna go straight from here, probably to therapy and just cry.

[Matt Gourley]

All right, it's your turn, little bitch.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, here we go.

[Matt Gourley]

That's.

[Conan O'Brien]

I missed completely. That was terrible. Zero.

[Matt Gourley]

Goose egg. That went flat. Flew over like an F15 tomcat. Sona with a point on the board.

[Sonam Obsession]

She's not even. She didn't come here to play.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. I was just scooping around on the first one. Now we get to business.

[Sonam Obsession]

Watch your toe. Watch your toe.

[Conan O'Brien]

What if I knock her one off?

[Matt Gourley]

You can do that? Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Slippery. I didn't realize we didn't get any warm up complaints already.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

You can't touch swear.

[Matt Gourley]

Next time that happens, you lose a point. 2 points, 3 points, 4 points total for swinging.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, my God. This is embarrassing for you.

[Conan O'Brien]

What do you say about making this game interesting? All right, I've been.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Never mind. Okay, I don't think it could be.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was told I'm goofing around a little bit. I was told to make this interesting and I was.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, were you?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, I was. By Adam Sachs, our podcast producer.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you've been seeing a little bit of what we call the old Baltimore flim flam. It's time now to show you what can really happen.

[Matt Gourley]

One point.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, okay, that was a lot of talk. No, no, we're building up. We're building up.

[Sonam Obsession]

That was a lot of talk.

[Matt Gourley]

All right, Sona's up. She's got two more bags left. Five points. Sona.

[Sonam Obsession]

One point. Conan can't get better at this.

[Matt Gourley]

Conan's last bag.

[Conan O'Brien]

Watch this. Whoa.

[Matt Gourley]

One point. Okay, five to two so far. Sona's got the last play. We'll subtract the lower score from the higher and get up this round's tally.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh. All right.

[Matt Gourley]

It's 62, which gives Sona four points.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, we got.

[Matt Gourley]

For this round, we're doing three rounds.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I'm not worried about this at all because I was told make a little space up front. This is the first game. Make it interesting. That's going to get the clicks, the clacks, and the socials.

[Matt Gourley]

We should see you really sail from behind.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, you're going to see it. All right, great. I actually promise you that.

[Matt Gourley]

All right, you guys get to move over to the other side for fair winded.

[Conan O'Brien]

Am I still pitching red? Yes.

[Matt Gourley]

Who went first last time?

[Sonam Obsession]

Kona did.

[Matt Gourley]

Okay, so, Sona, you go first this time.

[Sonam Obsession]

Maybe if we did a competition where we built wooden airplanes, you'd win. Dork.

[Conan O'Brien]

I built an excellent wooden airplane.

[Matt Gourley]

Dr. Royal Mental Health. Does it play a part in this game?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

It plays a huge part in this game. And Sona so far has shown incredible confidence and stamina. And let's just see if she can bring it home.

[Sonam Obsession]

I don't.

[Matt Gourley]

She's on the board with another point.

[Conan O'Brien]

And now's the part where cone shows you he was just.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

The important thing is not to talk while they're about to throw because that can throw their confidence and their. And their game off.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, so you. You.

[Matt Gourley]

Wait, so I shouldn't.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Yes, okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Exactly.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, three points. He's backing up his sack.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Well done.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, so the sacriliac Jack.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, two, Sona. Three. Conan. Conan's on his second throw, knocks himself.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was called a Still has Donnie Dud back where I'm from, Boston.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, three, two. Current score. Oh, dang board. Sona's last bag. Alley oop. It's on the board. Tied up three to three. Conan's got one more get there. It's one. It's four to three. That's one point for Conan. Four for the last round. Right now it's Sona three points ahead. Three points ahead.

[Conan O'Brien]

What's that?

[Matt Gourley]

Four to one?

[Conan O'Brien]

What are you doing? What are you talking about?

[Matt Gourley]

I'm scoring Cornhole.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, but it sounds like mush. I sound like an auctioneer who just shot himself in the head and then started the auction. I'm winning.

[Matt Gourley]

Has four and you have one.

[Sonam Obsession]

The point. The point.

[Conan O'Brien]

Trust me. Watch what happens. This is called the old alley. Oopsie, oopsie doopsie. No one calls it that. If they did.

[Matt Gourley]

This is the last round, Correct.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's first to seven.

[Matt Gourley]

First to seven. Okay. All right.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's first of seven, first two. How long are we here? It's four to one right now, so Soda should win it.

[Matt Gourley]

She's over.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm winning. Yeah, I'm gonna win it. You ready?

[Matt Gourley]

And Bongo, one point close to the mouth. That's what we call a chinner.

[Conan O'Brien]

And now it's time for the old labadoo.

[Sonam Obsession]

Two.

[Matt Gourley]

Two on the board. One on the board for Sona. Oh, now she just pushed one of Conan's three points.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Over the board. Threw it completely over Sona's head. But a lot of things go over her head. She doesn't read. Here we go.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, someone's getting hurtful, cuz he's losing. All right, all right.

[Matt Gourley]

Five for Conan, three for Sona. That's a net of two for Conan and a net of one because Sona just put one on the board. So we are now at four to two.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, so Conan's inching his way up.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

He's inching his way up.

[Conan O'Brien]

What did I say I was gonna do? Let me tell you something.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cornhole's a game. It's in the mind more than the arm.

[Matt Gourley]

Jesus.

[Conan O'Brien]

I have created an expectation which will soon turn into a sexpectation. I think we're ready to go.

[Sonam Obsession]

I don't think I've ever seen you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Throw anything that at all in my whole life. You've seen me throw a fit?

[Sonam Obsession]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

You've seen me throw a tantrum.

[Sonam Obsession]

Huh?

[Conan O'Brien]

You've seen me throw out my back.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

You've seen me throw out Jose's pitches.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Yeah, that's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

So I'm, I, I stand. Yeah, I think you go first on this one.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh.

[Matt Gourley]

All right. Sona's up here. Four to two over the board. She doesn't score on that. Conan with a nice little ginger touch. One on the board. One fursona.

[Conan O'Brien]

Look at that. Look at it. It's like I'm sticking out my tongue at all of you.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yes.

[Matt Gourley]

We gotta get a shot of that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Get her that last shot of that.

[Matt Gourley]

But that's not a three pointer. That's a one Pointer. Because it hasn't gone through the hole.

[Conan O'Brien]

But it will if old man gravity knows what he's doing. It's like Caddyshack. Just wait.

[Sonam Obsession]

Getting your bags in for you currently.

[Matt Gourley]

Sona, two, Conan, four for this round. One more point for Conan. Sona with the last throw. That's one more for Sona. And Conan's final throw for the round.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Put that sack in the mouth.

[Matt Gourley]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Say that again, Dr. Royal.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Put that sack in the mouth, Conan.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what's funny? First time I met you, you said that.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I remember.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, boy.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's true story. Parking lot, Taco Bell.

[Matt Gourley]

Here it goes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Turned out it was benign. Remember, your sack tasted benign.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I agree.

[Matt Gourley]

You have a benign sack.

[Sonam Obsession]

What is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, clearly. My wife's been saying that for years. Well, Hershey's finally decided to sponsor summer s'. Mores. You know, this has been the long con. We invented summer s' mores to lure Hershey's.

[Sonam Obsession]

This is all I've ever.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is like the movie the Sting. It's this really long con. It's taken years to play out. We don't disagree on s'. Mores. The whole thing was staged just to get some attention. And now old man Hershey has found himself in our snare. Ha ha. Yeah. Well, anyway, they decided to sponsor some of s', mores, but they left me out. Matt and Sona got all this amazing merch and swag. I got nothing because I'm anti s'. More. Well, now I understand why my past comments on s' mores divided a nation. A nation which is rarely divided. But Hershey's. I want you to know my beef is not with you. I love chocolate. I love your new Hershey caramel bar. I believe that a s' more could be just chocolate and graham cracker. No marshmallow needed. I had the new Hershey's caramel. It was great. It was terrific. Sana, what do you think? How's the s' more with caramel? Tell me what you think.

[Sonam Obsession]

It's so good. I mean, honestly, if anybody tries to give me a smart without Hershey's chocolate, I just smack it out of their hand.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Sonam Obsession]

And the caramel just upped the game big time.

[Conan O'Brien]

I saw your face light up.

[Sonam Obsession]

That was my. I feel like tasting that was my purpose in life.

[Conan O'Brien]

Try Hershey's milk chocolate with caramel today. S'. More.

[Matt Gourley]

More.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sonam Obsession]

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Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

For the best outdoor products and to save 10% on your order, visit llbean.comconant outside together since 1912. Well, this is the last b. I remarry. Here we go.

[Matt Gourley]

There it is.

[Conan O'Brien]

Conan's up. Five, four.

[Sonam Obsession]

What the.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now what? What do we talk about?

[Sonam Obsession]

Serious.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, what are we talking about? Well, you were goofing around. I. This is exactly what I said was going to happen. Two points away from winning. Oh, Sony.

[Matt Gourley]

You have to beat him with that.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I start. I start, remember? I start. Oh, I got to get mine because it went in. Here we go. It's an extra, Sona.

[Matt Gourley]

You have to beat him. One point, Conan.

[Sonam Obsession]

All right, this is it. I'm done. I'm done.

[Matt Gourley]

One point, Sona. Lofty throw from Conan. It's good for another point. Sona's right on his heels with another point. Two. Two here on this round. Three points for Conan. Oh, man.

[Sonam Obsession]

No.

[Matt Gourley]

Sona knocks one of hers off the board with a one point round. Oh, Conan's off, is it?

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, she's got one more bag. You got one more bag. You gotta make a three pointer here to keep stay alive.

[Sonam Obsession]

Shut up, immortal.

[Conan O'Brien]

Here we go.

[Sonam Obsession]

Shut the fuck up. Are you Playing. Are you playing?

[Matt Gourley]

What if she knocks off one of his bags?

[Conan O'Brien]

I got next after the recording.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, you could knock off one of his bags, or you could just punch him in the sack.

[Conan O'Brien]

Been there, done that.

[Sonam Obsession]

There she is.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, I'm sorry. No. For all his talk, Conan comes through and the Empire has won. God, you hate to see it, and I'm an unbiased observer, man. Sona, that's voluntary, isn't it?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Conan?

[Matt Gourley]

Is that all right?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Okay.

[Sonam Obsession]

God, I started off so strong.

[Conan O'Brien]

Dr. Roy, if you don't mind, give me a quick.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

It's really good. What do you think? I think you're good for another two years.

[Conan O'Brien]

Could I. Two years? Could you check the heart as well, please?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Absolutely.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I'm just going to compare it. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Yeah, we're both good.

[Conan O'Brien]

You get these at any costume shop?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

This is correct. This is correct. But this one cost me a lot of money.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. Okay. Thank you very much, Dr. Arroyo. You got a problem?

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah, I do have a problem. You bitch. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sticks and stones. May. Something, something. But names will. Well, that was exciting.

[Matt Gourley]

For you.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah, for you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Because there was this perception which I created that things were gonna be tough and that I was really, you know, hurting. Then out of nowhere, out of nowhere.

[Sonam Obsession]

It took you, like, four rounds to make enough points. So it's. I just crumbled. That's all it was. I just.

[Conan O'Brien]

I would like Eduardo to weigh in. Eduardo's a man of sport. He's a sportsman. I think luck goes a long way.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yay. That was luck. It was luck because I started to really suck after that first round. But you know what? I'm down for a rematch anytime.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I'll never touch that game again because I've just proven that I'm the best in the world at it. Walk away from success, I always say.

[Matt Gourley]

This is a rough way to end the season of Summer Smurfs.

[Sonam Obsession]

I know.

[Matt Gourley]

Sona, how are you feeling?

[Sonam Obsession]

I feel like shit. I'm really upset. I lost. I hate losing things in general, but losing to Conan is probably my biggest nightmare. I hate it so much. I don't. I can't think of anything I hate more than losing to Conan. I'm really upset. I'm pissed. I'm mad at myself. I'm mad at my family. I'm mad at. I'm mad at everyone who works on this stupid fucking podcast. I hate everybody who thought of this idea that it could open up this world in which Conan beats me at something.

[Matt Gourley]

Boy, you hate the sympathy vote. And Then I think you lose.

[Sonam Obsession]

Uh, I just, I'm. I don't think you realize losing to Conan is the worst person you could lose to. Cause he's a gloater. You're a gloater.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I don't gloat. All I do is savor the victory out loud. I don't know if that's what gloating is. And over extended period of time and with great bravado. If that's gloating, then I suppose I'm a gloater. I don't think it is.

[Matt Gourley]

Conan, what are you planning to do with this victory?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I've heard there's a cornhole circuit. Oh, my God. Now, several years ago, I went on something that I was told was the cornhole circuit. It turned out to be a very different thing. And is that how you got so good at cornhole? It had nothing to do with this, okay? It was a misnomer. Yeah. They call it the cornhole circuit, but I assure you it is not this game.

[Sonam Obsession]

Okay?

[Conan O'Brien]

And I met some lovely people, but I was filled with shame afterwards. I felt degraded and used. So that's not gonna happen again. I prefer this cornhole, but it turns out I'm good at both. So I think I wanna get out there. And I think I'm a good spokesperson for this game and for the other cornhole.

[Sonam Obsession]

Wait, have you ever played for reals?

[Conan O'Brien]

No.

[Sonam Obsession]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you've probably played a lot and that's interesting.

[Matt Gourley]

Have you played before?

[Sonam Obsession]

I've played a few times. Yeah, I've played.

[Conan O'Brien]

And where do you play? At sort of backyard events.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah, like picnics. And who's at this picnic?

[Conan O'Brien]

Tell me a little bit about the picnic.

[Sonam Obsession]

Well, friends, family, cool people. Like, cool people who know.

[Conan O'Brien]

You said you hate your family.

[Sonam Obsession]

Well, I'm angry that I lost, so I'm just talking about how angry I am. I'm getting my anger out. I hate that I lost to you, so I'm blaming everyone but myself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let it go. You have a beautiful family.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, shut the fuck up. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you a bitch multiple times.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're not wrong.

[Matt Gourley]

You're not wrong.

[Conan O'Brien]

Gorly, what was it like for you to watch me come from behind after predicting it? I called it. That was like Namath, you know, with the Jets. I called it no. 1. I was the underdog. People like to call me King of the dorks and. Etc. Etc. And then I come out with one of the greatest displays of physical prowess and mental acumen. That people have ever seen.

[Matt Gourley]

Honestly, it made me hate my family, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

It made me hate Sona's family. Yeah, I hate Sona's family now. Well, this was. I think we learned something.

[Sonam Obsession]

No, we didn't.

[Matt Gourley]

Just that life is a series of miserable disappointments.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yes.

[Matt Gourley]

And there's no justice.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. That's what we. That was the goal. That was the title of the episode. Okay. That's what we meant to achieve. I loved it. I just loved being outside. This was our last episode. Outside.

[Matt Gourley]

Remember how we started the series and he was so bleak and complaining about circuits and he wins one game of cornhole.

[Sonam Obsession]

I know.

[Matt Gourley]

Suddenly life is.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know. I know.

[Sonam Obsession]

I hate that smug face. Oh, I hate your smug face.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's just say I'm getting some tonight.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, God.

[Matt Gourley]

Cornhole.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, listen, let's just leave that up to the imagination.

[Sonam Obsession]

No, let's not.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay?

[Sonam Obsession]

Let's not do that. What's happening with this cornhole set after.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, what are we gonna do with these? These two are amazing. Who made these? Who made these? These are terrific. Ryan did this. It's great. It's great. It's really well done. Please give him our thanks. He's a very. Give him a full shout out. What's his last name? Ryan Godo, art director. Ryan Godo. Let's hear it for Ryan Godo, please.

[Matt Gourley]

And while we're at it, everybody who worked on this series, we still have one more episode in studio, but out here, everybody's at play. So thank you to all. Now you've.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm sorry. You've gone too far. Okay.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yeah, sorry.

[Conan O'Brien]

I. I think I made this happen. I got here early. I set up the cameras and I scheduled everything.

[Sonam Obsession]

No. Who's I?

[Conan O'Brien]

Cornhole.

[Sonam Obsession]

I want to know. I want to know. Eduardo's been wanting. Was it your idea?

[Conan O'Brien]

It was me. It was me, baby. So it was me. You wanted to set me up to look the fool. No. I knew you would come through.

[Sonam Obsession]

What? Nobody ever bets on Conan when there's athletic anything.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lovardo said I'd have the tonight show for 10 years.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, boy.

[Conan O'Brien]

He put a lot of money in it. And no one in his family's ever going to college now. Hey. I want to say in all sincerity to echo and continue what Matt so nobly began. We sail in at the last minute like a bunch of goons. Three goons in a pod. And everyone here has worked so hard to make this really fun. This was a fun. It started out with me moaning about all the conduits that are visible in the back of the Larchmont studios. And ended with Triumph of evil over good.

[Sonam Obsession]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

And evil.

[Sonam Obsession]

Go for good.

[Conan O'Brien]

I can't believe it. You were like, no, no, wait a minute.

[Sonam Obsession]

I don't know that. Yes, yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

But yeah. I want to thank everybody here who worked so hard. And I also want to thank Dr. Arroyo.

[Sonam Obsession]

Yay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Dr. Arroyo, step in here, please. And you are a man with a very shadowy background. A man who has been derided by the Medical association of America and worldwide for being a poser, a fraud, a huckster. But you came here today.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

But they also say bad things.

[Conan O'Brien]

You came here today with. I'm assuming your time is very valuable.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

It is. It is. I have to be somewhere right now. I get. I actually. I am a live cornhole target. I don't know if I.

[Conan O'Brien]

You do that.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I do that for $19 an hour.

[Conan O'Brien]

So for people that don't have a set or a cornhole, if they have.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

An inclined plane, I will sit there with my mouth open.

[Conan O'Brien]

And so you do. You do children's parties?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

I do children's parties. Exactly.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm curious, Dr. Royo, has choking ever been an issue? Does the beanbag ever get in there?

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Oh, all the time.

[Matt Gourley]

Who's your counterpart? That is the other board.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Well, I don't know, but because I'm looking at the sun, so I.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you have to keep your eyes open. They want an open eyed cornholer.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Exactly. And so. And I have protection.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you're headed now to Tarzana. Correct. You will lay down, stare at the sun at some event. Is it a bar mitzvah? A bat mitzvah? Is it? I mean, tell me what kind of event this is. This is someone wedding.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

It's somebody's 30th wedding anniversary. They wanted to toss beanbags at me and I'll be lying down.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what? That's as good a use of a doctor's time as I think I've ever heard. And I want to thank you, Dr. Royal, and God bless you and the work that you're trying to do but failing.

[Dr. Jose Arroyo]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right. Okay. Oh, what's this? He does everything with such aplomb. What a show business professional. Don't know what. I'm just going to practice. Practice? You practice Inclined plane. And I so want to throw a beanbag in there.

[Matt Gourley]

I know. I did too.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know, but I'd break his nose.

[Matt Gourley]

How about a marshmallow?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, we could try. Yeah. You know, it should be worth it.

[Sonam Obsession]

If you can make him choke. It's like four points. This is awful.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is the worst thing. This is something. I think Caligula did this. Yeah.

[Sonam Obsession]

Jose, why are you. Why are you doing this?

[Conan O'Brien]

Jose, you have. Yeah. Okay.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, next year I'll take you in cornhole.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Congratulations, Dr. Arroyo. Wonderful fellow. Absolutely no self esteem. We want to again. We will see you next week for the wrap up, the emotional wrap up to this 2025 installment of Chill Chums. And of course, the aforementioned. What do we call this again? Summer s'. Mores.

[Sonam Obsession]

I just hate how happy you are.

[Matt Gourley]

It's awful.

[Sonam Obsession]

You can tell, right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, yeah. I hate. You have like a. You're very, like, chipper in the way you're talking. Aw. You're the worst guy in the world. Oh, my God.

[Matt Gourley]

Honestly.

[Sonam Obsession]

Oh, you're awful.

[Conan O'Brien]

Bad winner. Bad winner. All right, well, we'll see you next week. Peace out.

[Sonam Obsession]

That was brutal.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was brutal.

[Matt Gourley]

Summer S' mores with Conan o', Brien, Sonam of Cession and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross and Nick Leow. Theme song by the White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair and our associate talent producer is Jennifer. Samples, engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Bautista and Brit Kahn. You can rate and review on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? Call the Team Coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode. You can also get three free months of SiriusXM when you sign [e-mail] Conan and if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O' Brien needs a friend. Wherever fine podcasts are downloaded. Sam.