Summer S’pouses Episode 2: Amanda Lund

Summary

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend — Summer S’pouses Episode 2: Amanda Lund

Date: August 6, 2026
Main Guests: Amanda Lund
Hosts: Conan O’Brien, Sona Movsesian, Matt Gourley
Theme: Playfully deconstructing marriage, creative life, and quirks with Amanda Lund, spouse of Matt Gourley.

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Overview

This “Summer S'pouses” edition of Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend features Amanda Lund—accomplished podcaster, performer, and wife of regular cohost Matt Gourley. The episode dives into Amanda's creative career, her and Matt's quirky personal histories (including hidden Shakespeare T-shirt empires and trash-can puppeteering), and marriage dynamics. The tone is playful, irreverent, and honest, as the group lovingly teases one another and reveals surprising facts about their personal and professional lives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Conan’s Caricature of Matt Gourley

[01:46]

• Conan confesses, “I portray [Matt] as an effete, you know, fez collecting lute playing chuy who hangs out at little bespoke garage sales, right?”
• Amanda concedes that some elements are true—Matt has a vest (for a three-piece suit) and has worn a scarf (briefly, as an “experiment”).
• Matt admits, “You and Tucker Carlson killed the bow tie.”
• Amanda: “He loves, like, little hobbies.”
• Amanda shares the infamous scarf vacation story, which Conan relishes for comedic ammo.

2. Amanda’s Disney Princess and Tokyo Disney Experience

[04:53] - [06:50]

• Amanda recounts her work as a Disney princess—Mary Poppins and Cinderella—at Disneyland, and then in Tokyo Disney at age 21.
  • “That was the best six months of my life.” (Amanda, [05:41])
• In Tokyo, Amanda had a real fanbase:
  • “Someone would come up to me and hand me an envelope filled with pictures of myself from the park.” (Amanda, [06:13])
  • On her last day, fans gathered to shower her with gifts.
  • Conan: “Amanda likes men to photograph her from a great distance and then hand her the photos in an envelope.” [06:48]
• A distinction is made between “face character” princesses (higher paid) and Matt’s Disneyland job: a remote-controlled talking trash can ("Push") that paradoxically paid more—Matt improvising trash can commentary and steering it amid crowds for “hazard pay.”

3. Amanda’s Podcasting and Creative Work

[08:35] - [10:25]

• Amanda highlights her early podcast (“Trading Movies”), and her main creative undertaking: The Complete Woman, an elaborate 1970s-inspired character podcast based on Marabel Morgan, famed anti-feminist author of “The Total Woman.”
  • Amanda: “My life’s work is called The Complete Woman...it’s a character piece based on my muse, who’s a love and marriage expert from the 1970s.” [09:15]
  • Matt, describing Amanda’s podcast style: “It sounds like a record from the 60s. It’s all produced. It’s so good.” [10:06]
  • Amanda does all her own sound design, but notes: “It takes a lot of work...it’s been a while since I’ve done a season.” [10:13]
  • Conan, self-deprecating: “Amanda is a more legitimate...I’m a total fraud, and you’re a total fraud, Sona. Well, you guys are the real deal.” [10:21]

4. The Outrageous Marabel Morgan/‘Complete Woman’ Advice

[10:41] - [15:07]

• Marabel Morgan’s (the “Total Woman”) advice, as performed and parodied by Amanda, gets a full comedic breakdown:
  • “The only way to stop a man from cheating is to let him cheat with you...get a wig.” (Amanda, [11:26])
  • Wrap yourself in cellophane with go-go boots and serve a martini to your husband. [12:00]
  • Amanda: “It was just the most insane marital advice.” [09:43]
  • Conan: “If you want to stop your husband from cheating, which is any moral thing to do, it’s your job to let him cheat with you...the guy would spend most of the time bitching about his wife to you.” [12:31]
  • Amanda on household manipulation: “If you want your husband to take out the trash but you don’t want to nag, you go, ooh honey, your arms look so strong when you take out the trash.” [14:14]
• Sona: “This is just manipulation.” [14:22]
• Amanda: “She ended up being the breadwinner because she was such a sensation...she would go head to head with the actual feminists of the time.” [14:38]
• Sona: "She's like the OG trad wife.” [14:51]

5. Reality TV Guilty Pleasures

[19:38] - [21:44]

• Amanda admits, “I love to kick my feet up. I love to unwind with a little bit of reality television.” [19:38]
• Conan shares Liza’s recent Real Housewives obsession: “She says it’s particularly nutty right now.” [19:44]
• Amanda, slightly reserved, insists, "I don’t publicly speak about reality television...no one’s ever asked me." [20:03]
• Sona prefers “sexy shows...shows where people are banging.” [20:43]
• Conan recalls Werner Herzog’s hilarious admission: he watches “reality shows to observe Honey Boo Boo.” [21:04]
  • “If Werner Herzog is watching Honey Boo Boo, we’re all okay.” (Sona, [21:15])

6. Matt’s “Project Mania”—and Secret Shakespeare T-Shirt Empire

[22:05] - [29:05]

• Matt’s ongoing habit of mechanical and crafty “projects” comes up—Amanda is alternately supportive and bemused:
  • “There are certain projects I’m like 100% behind and some that I just turn a blind eye to.” (Amanda, [23:20])
  • Most recent: a hidden booze bar built into a guitar case in his studio. “He is a crafty alcoholic.” (Conan, [22:55])
• Big Revelatory Story: Amanda accidentally discovers Matt’s secret trunk full of hand-drawn, novelty Shakespeare T-shirts—sold online for years, but never mentioned to her.
  • Amanda: "...inside, there are hundreds of T-shirts, novelty Shakespeare T-shirts...a whole website he never disclosed to me." [26:20]
  • Matt: “The business had withered to a near death...I wasn’t even proud.” [26:51]
  • Sona: “If it was just dildos, you’d be like—‘Oh, we can resell these. Hose them down and resell them.’” [28:57]
  • Matt: “In many ways, it would have been better if I had a mistress.” [28:44]
  • The T-shirts live on via Redbubble (Amanda: “It’s 88 cents for a sticker version!” [30:05])
• Conan is fascinated/appalled by Matt’s secret nerdy side and its domestic fallout.

7. “Meet Cute” Story: How Amanda and Matt Really Met

[30:25] - [32:24]

• Despite overlapping years at Disneyland, their paths never crossed there.
• They met at Universal Studios Hollywood orientation, both hired to play British street characters. “It was love at first speak.” (Amanda, [31:39])
• Amanda’s foreshadowing to Matt: “That’s going to be us in 20 years,” referencing a Wolfman bowling shirt couple—“and it is, in five.” [32:07]
• The two share a genuinely sweet moment reflecting on family and bringing in their new baby to the studio.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I’m a caricaturist…I make obscene caricatures.” (Conan, [02:15])
• “I had fans…they would hand me an envelope filled with pictures of myself from the park.” (Amanda, [06:13])
• “You and Tucker Carlson killed the bow tie.” (Matt, [03:12])
• “The only way to stop a man from cheating is to let him cheat with you…get a wig.” (Amanda, [11:26])
• “Wrap yourself in cellophane and go-go boots…and answer the door with a martini.” (Amanda, [12:00])
• “If Werner Herzog is watching Honey Boo Boo, we’re all okay.” (Conan quoting Herzog, [21:04])
• “Your arms look so strong when you take out the trash.” (Amanda/Lund-as-Marabel, [14:14])
• “He is a crafty alcoholic.” (Conan on Matt’s secret mini-bar guitar, [22:55])
• “It would’ve been so much better if it was just dildos.” (Sona, [28:52])
• “It was love at first speak.” (Amanda, [31:39])

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment
|---------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 | Conan’s caricature of Matt—debunked by Amanda | | 04:53 | Amanda’s Disney princess origin story | | 06:13 | Amanda’s Tokyo Disney super-fans & hierarchy explained | | 08:35 | Amanda’s podcasting start—The Complete Woman | | 10:41 | Outrageous 1970s marital advice–parodied and recited | | 19:38 | Reality TV confessions and Werner Herzog anecdote | | 22:05 | Matt’s “project” habit and secret in-house bar revealed | | 26:20 | Amanda finds Matt’s secret Shakespeare T-shirt stash | | 28:44 | Matt: “In many ways, it would have been better if I had a mistress.” | | 31:39 | Amanda and Matt’s “meet cute” at Universal Studios |

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Tone & Style

The episode is marked by:

• Self-deprecating humor
• Playful teasing
• Candid glimpses into marital dynamics and artist lives
• Tangents and affectionate ribbing, staying true to the freewheeling chemistry of Team Coco

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For Further Listening/Links Referenced

• Amanda Lund’s podcast The Complete Woman
• Matt Gourley’s Shakespeare T-shirts (on Redbubble)
• Mentioned reality TV guilty pleasures (Real Housewives, Love Island, Honey Boo Boo, etc.)

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Summary:
If you love marriage comedy, behind-the-scenes showbiz stories, and the creative chaos of funny couples, this Summer S’pouses episode is a must-listen. Amanda Lund manages to gently roast her husband Matt while sharing her own fascinating creative path, and the group’s giddy banter keeps things fresh and revealing—never mean-spirited, always hilarious.

Transcript

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Sona]

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[Amanda Lund]

Hi, my name is Amanda Lund and I feel you go girl about being Matt Gorley's spouse.

[Show Producer]

Summer Spouses with Conan o', Brien, Sonam of Session and Matt Gourley and Liza Powell o', Brien, Tak Boroyan and Amanda Lund.

[Conan O'Brien]

Amanda, we have a lot to talk about here because I have painted a picture of Matt over the years and there have occasionally been charges that it's not an accurate picture. I portray him as an effete, you know, fez collecting lute playing chuy who hangs out. Right. And little bespoke garage sales. Right.

[Matt Gourley]

You're just asking the wrong person if I'm looking for a defense here.

[Conan O'Brien]

But no, but of course I'm a caricaturist. I don't paint portraits. I make obscene caricatures. So Amanda, where have I gone wrong in describing the Matt Gourley we all know and tolerate?

[Amanda Lund]

You're touching on so many truth. There's a lot of truth to it, but I think where you go wrong is the style aspect because I think people are imagining him in like a little vest and like a little cap.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know he has one. It's deep in the closet.

[Sona]

Do you have a vest?

[Matt Gourley]

I have a vest as part of a suit, like a three piece suit.

[Amanda Lund]

But he never had just a solo vest.

[Sona]

Oh, like without a shirt on underneath.

[Matt Gourley]

So I go out all the time. All the time.

[Conan O'Brien]

He worked at Chippendales. Yes. I portray him as a guy who wears, like, a straw boater hat and a little bow tie that spins when he puts. Pushes a button in his pocket.

[Amanda Lund]

And you know what? Since he started working here, he won't wear a bow tie anymore.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anymore. Okay, that's great. So I'm changing his behavior.

[Matt Gourley]

You and Tucker Carlson killed the bow.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, exactly. You the two.

[Amanda Lund]

And I think one time he wore a little scarf, but that was just for 24 hours, and then it was like a little experiment that you did for a while. So that is true. And so it is true. He loves. He loves, like, little hobbies.

[Friend/Colleague]

Yeah.

[Sona]

Like a scarf. Like a flight attendant.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. A 1968 Swedish flight attendant named Inga who's vava voom.

[Amanda Lund]

It looked good. We were on vacation. It was like a kind of an open, relaxed linen shirt with a little scarf.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. If you had taken a. Yes, Amanda, thank you. Thank you. I can. I can live off the meat on that bone for seven years.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm not. I didn't bring here to have you live for me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I need to sing your praises. Amanda, you are very talented and very accomplished, and I don't want to embarrass you or anything, but you have quite a list of things that you've done. You're a very successful podcaster. You have played Disney princesses many different ones. Is that right? Where did it all start? Why don't you tell your story for us?

[Amanda Lund]

Okay. And you did this motion, which, like, kind of short.

[Sona]

That's good.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want your life in three words.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, no, no. Go for it. Expand.

[Amanda Lund]

Nightmare. I did not know I was going to be, like, interviewed. Okay. No, I just thought I was more like a seat filler. Like, here to.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, Amanda, you are not a seat filler. And by the way, no. And if you think there was any planning that went behind any of us, any of this, you don't know us.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay, okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm just as surprised as you.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay. Let me just say I'm from Long Beach, California.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Amanda Lund]

I. I worked at Disneyland. This is interesting. I played a princess when I was in high school. Into. Into. And that's where it stops.

[Conan O'Brien]

But wait.

[Amanda Lund]

And that's where I peaked.

[Conan O'Brien]

But this is fascinating to me because I remember clearly my wife and I taking nev To. I think we took her to Disneyland, and the princesses were there. And to this day, I haven't seen my daughter that excited. I Mean, she's excited about a lot of things, but it's a kind of they're meeting real royalty. These. It was. She was.

[Sona]

Well, yeah, yeah, it is real royalty.

[Conan O'Brien]

The scary thing is she was 21 at the time. No, I'm kidding. No, she was just this little girl, but she was meeting Cinderella. I know you played Cinderella and you

[Matt Gourley]

did it in Tokyo for six months.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, I did it. I played Mary Poppins and Cinderella in Tokyo when I was 21 and it was the best six months of my life.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, wow.

[Conan O'Brien]

So, you know, so you know what it's like to just have been married

[Sona]

for a while, have kids, adored.

[Amanda Lund]

I, you know what? I had fans. When Tokyo Disney, you have like full on a fan base because the fan culture there, especially for Disney, is just outrageous and they love it so much. So I would be just riding the subway on my day off and someone would come up to me and like hand me an envelope that was filled with pictures of myself from the park.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. Is that kind of scary?

[Amanda Lund]

Well, I liked it. I did like it. And then also on the last day that you work all of your fans, because at the beginning of your term, you worked there for six months, people decide like, that's I'm going to be a fan of hers. And then on your last day, they all wait for you and they shower you with gifts.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God, you're dying.

[Conan O'Brien]

We know we're learning some important things here. The other one, Matt wore a scarf once, like a flight attendant. And Amanda likes men to photograph her from a great distance.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then hand her the photos in an envelope.

[Amanda Lund]

It's nice to have. You don't get a lot of pictures of yourself, you know, especially as a mom. You're always behind the camera. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Through shrubbery,

[Sona]

I was going to say. I know there's like a distinction between the one that have to wear the heads and then the like the ones like you who are just. It's your face.

[Amanda Lund]

Yes.

[Sona]

So is there, is there like a legit hierarchy?

[Amanda Lund]

Well, okay, when I worked there, yes, but, but it was just a pay hierarchy because a face character, you get paid a little bit more, but you don't get paid as much as what Matt did at Disneyland, which was. He was a talking trash can.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, they are unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Amanda Lund]

Pushed the talking trash can and he got paid, no joke, like three times as much as I was making as a PR and working hazard pay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Because people, people, people are constantly jamming a half eaten burrito in the air

[Matt Gourley]

in the trash can for the hundredth time.

[Sona]

You know, what are you on your knees, like, waddling?

[Conan O'Brien]

So you weren't inside. I think that's where you really should get the big bucks. If you were inside the trash can.

[Matt Gourley]

I was walking around with a really smart scarf on.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

And. And I had a little remote controller in a bag, and so I was nearby with a microphone hidden in the crowd.

[Conan O'Brien]

And the. And it's a remote control. Are you controlling the motions of the. Wow. Okay, so it was, like early drone work.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Show Producer]

So you could see why I was at a higher pay grade.

[Sona]

No, I don't see that.

[Matt Gourley]

No, I don't either.

[Sona]

No. The princess.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is it true that the military is interested in weaponizing these trash cans just to go defend Ukraine? We're going to send 10,000 trash cans. There'll be 10,000 matt gourlies

[Sona]

doing improv.

[Conan O'Brien]

Doing improv.

[Matt Gourley]

That would kill them, improving them to death.

[Conan O'Brien]

Good improv is a powerful weapon.

[Amanda Lund]

What

[Conan O'Brien]

you have done many podcasts, and they're very creative. They involve character work. I mean, let's face it, we sit here, we babble like chimps, and somehow we get away with it. But these are very creative podcasts. Can you tell us a little bit about some of those?

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. So when I met Matt, this is a long time ago, like, he was already podcasting because, like, he was one of the first, as we know. But I also was kind of podcasting from my little apartment in Thai Town. I had. My original podcast was called Trading Movies with Craig Kakowski and my friend Maria Blissucci. And so they would each give each other a movie to watch the other one had never seen. And I was just the host, so I would never.

[Matt Gourley]

They were of different generations, too.

[Amanda Lund]

They were of different generations. So that was my very original podcast. And I didn't even know what was happening. I just knew, like, I was talking and. And I didn't know anyone was listening or anything. And. Yes. And since then, I have. My kind of. My life's work is called the Complete Woman. And that's a character piece based on my muse, who's a love and marriage expert from the 1970s. Her name's Maribel Morgan.

[Matt Gourley]

It's a real woman.

[Amanda Lund]

Yes, and she's a real woman. And I found this little book in a used bookshop one afternoon. It had just a rose on the COVID called the Total Woman. And I cracked that thing open, and I was like, ooh, this is amazing. It's like the most insane, insane marital advice.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Amanda Lund]

And so I do a play on

[Conan O'Brien]

that in this right, you inhabited you. This inspired you to become this woman.

[Amanda Lund]

I am hurt.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a great idea, but it's as

[Matt Gourley]

if these albums were found. So it sounds like a record from the 60s. It's kind of vintage and it's all produced. It's so good.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, it's really fun. And I. I love doing it and it takes a lot of work because I edit it and do all the sound design. So it's. It's been a while since I've done a season.

[Conan O'Brien]

Amanda is a more legitimate. I will say no. Matt's super legitimate podcaster. I'm a total fraud, and you're a total fraud, Sona. Well, you guys are the real deal. That's very cool.

[Amanda Lund]

Well, I can get on the little computer and do a little sound design. So she's done it for my job.

[Sona]

Is this woman still alive?

[Amanda Lund]

You know what? Last I checked, she was. And she's now an artist. And you can. She does, like, paintings of horses.

[Conan O'Brien]

Give me an example of some of the advice this woman was giving women in the 70s or the 60s.

[Amanda Lund]

So, okay. Yes. So this is. Okay, so this woman was a direct response to second wave feminism. She was like, no, it's ruining marriages. Like, we have to get away from this. And it was all. It was based in evangelicalism. Is that the word? Okay. And so she was basically like, we can't be feminist. It's ruining our lives. We have to empower ourselves to make our husbands happy. Yes. Okay. No, you're gonna like some of this stuff.

[Conan O'Brien]

I feel heard and seen.

[Amanda Lund]

Conan's legit gonna like some of this stuff. And so. Okay, one of her.

[Sona]

Okay.

[Amanda Lund]

How. The only way to stop a man from cheating is to let him cheat with you. Okay, okay. And like, she means, like, get. Okay. She means get a wig.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, get a wig.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, get a wig. What?

[Conan O'Brien]

I was telling Liza, get a wig.

[Matt Gourley]

It's some.

[Conan O'Brien]

Get a wig.

[Matt Gourley]

Wasn't she dressing up like a native American or something?

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, but she calls it an Indian princess. And guess what? Her kids love it too. Oh, my God.

[Sona]

Who is this lady?

[Matt Gourley]

Tell me about the cellophane.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay. And then another one of her ideas. And this. She was on the COVID of Time magazine. Okay. This woman was a sensation.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Amanda Lund]

People know her. If you ask a woman of a certain generation. So she suggests if you don't have the money for a full on costume, just wrap yourself in cellophane and go go boots with nothing underneath and answer the door when he gets home from work with A crisp martini. And this was actually referenced in Fried Green Tomatoes, I believe.

[Sona]

What?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, in the movie Fried Green Tomatoes, one of the characters does that to spice up the marriage.

[Amanda Lund]

I haven't seen it in a long time, but that's what the Internet says.

[Sona]

Jes hoe. Yeah, just be naked.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Also, if you want to stop your husband from cheating, which is any moral thing to do, it's your job to let him cheat with you. Which means it would be so confusing because then you'd play a character. The guy would spend most of the time bitching about his wife to you. The sex is terrible.

[Amanda Lund]

Well.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that's too bad. Oh, God, it's all. It's so strange. So she's dropped all that now.

[Amanda Lund]

I don't know what the lady's up to, but I just love her and I hope she's still with us. I'm gonna Google it. After I leave here today, I'll send you guys an email with an update. If you can find the show notes. Can somebody.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now I'm gonna ask you some personal questions. Has Matt ever come home just steaming mad about Conan and his. That prick. I can't believe I had to put up with him today. And then you have to give him a martini and wrap him in cellophane. Does that ever happen?

[Matt Gourley]

Shut him up?

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, it's only happened like once.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, let's talk about that. Okay, we'll leave it alone. No, I.

[Amanda Lund]

Often.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, not often.

[Amanda Lund]

Not often.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, man, there's something here. Do I probe more or do I leave it alone?

[Matt Gourley]

Go for it.

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, go for it.

[Sona]

Okay. Matt saying go.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen, look, I. I think I'm a fun guy to work with, but I'm sure there have been two moments. We all have moments.

[Amanda Lund]

No, he loves this job. We're so happy to be here.

[Conan O'Brien]

Thank you for having me. Can I just say something? You're becoming the woman again.

[Amanda Lund]

I know.

[Sona]

It's this verbal self thing.

[Conan O'Brien]

She's like, I just have to keep this red haired man happy.

[Amanda Lund]

No, but one more tip real quick. Okay, so like, if you want your husband to take out the trash, but you don't want to nag, obviously, so you go, ooh, honey, your arms look so strong when you take out the trash.

[Sona]

This is just manipulation.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lord.

[Sona]

Or love it. I do love her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I thought she was gonna say, there's a hot chick out by the trash can. You should walk over that way with the trash. And then she has to put a wig on and run over there and go, hiya, big boy.

[Amanda Lund]

What's great about this woman, though. She ended up being the breadwinner because she was such a sensation and she would go like head to head with the actual feminists of the time, like on talk shows and stuff.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, and she would debate them.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, she was a complete, complete, like, spectacle.

[Sona]

She's like the OG trad wife.

[Amanda Lund]

She. Yes, she was. Yeah, it's. And exactly. Making all the money too.

[Sona]

Yeah.

[Amanda Lund]

So I. That's why I love her, because she's just crazy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Big news. Sona.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Did you know T Mobile recently partnered with the National Park Foundation?

[Sona]

No way.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep. They're making it easier to stay connected, so you're free to wonder.

[Sona]

Well, that's really cool.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I love a national park. I really do.

[Sona]

I do too.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now, there's one thing you have to have if you're doing that good signal, it's a priority. You know what I mean? You got your maps, your music, this podcast.

[Sona]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

So take America's best network plus their off grid satellite coverage with you. Look, we're all a little spoiled, but we like to have access to all our stuff and suddenly you don't have it because of a bad single. That's when I throw my phone into the Grand Canyon.

[Sona]

Oh, okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Literally filled half the Grand Canyon with phones. Then I got T mobile. Never had to chuck them again, you know.

[Friend/Colleague]

Good.

[Conan O'Brien]

So wander over to T mobile.com and switch. Best based on analysis by OOKLA of Speed test intelligence data for 2H 2025. Wow, that's some sentence. T satellite with capable device in most outdoor areas in US where you see the sky, that's important. You gotta see the sky.

[Sona]

Yep.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Matt Gourley]

Huh.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a good deal.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

No quarterly activations, no categories to track. Just unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase. Sona, just the other day I bought you this antique wig stand and I didn't get cash back and I regret it now.

[Sona]

Oh, okay. Well, that's a very thoughtful gift.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you wear a wig or is that your hair?

[Sona]

Absolutely not. It's definitely my hair. And so it's kind of insulting you would buy that gift for me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I'll just return it anyway. But I do wish I got cash back.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

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My family always does a family picnic every year. My aunts, my uncles, my cousins. It's really fun.

[Conan O'Brien]

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[Matt Gourley]

my Indian princess

[Conan O'Brien]

who looks suspiciously like Amanda.

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, I love. I love to kick my feet up. I love to unwind with a little bit of reality television.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, I love when People cup their hands into a microphone.

[Matt Gourley]

You know, you just made it louder.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah, I know, but there's no. Listen, you will not be shamed here about reality television. Cause Liza's has been getting into the Real Housewives lately of, I think, Beverly Hills. She says it's. It's particularly nutty right now.

[Amanda Lund]

And, yeah, I, you know, I. I don't publicly speak about reality television. Not for any reason. Just no one's ever asked me. But I. I will say, like, but

[Conan O'Brien]

it's a policy of yours.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Until someone asks you. I will not murder unless given the opportunity or ask to murder.

[Matt Gourley]

I have morals.

[Conan O'Brien]

I have morals.

[Amanda Lund]

I just don't have a friend to talk to about it, and I don't want to talk to anyone out loud about it, so.

[Sona]

But.

[Amanda Lund]

But a lot of really dignified women watch these shows. Like Michelle Obama watches some reality television. Liza.

[Matt Gourley]

Yep.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep. Liza, is.

[Sona]

Are you looking at me?

[Amanda Lund]

I like survival.

[Sona]

I abandoned a lot of my reality shows.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

Why?

[Sona]

I think now because my time in front of the TV is so finite that I like, you know, I like my sexy shows. I like shows where people are banging.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

So can I just say, you talk about how a lot of classy people. The amazing, legendary director Verner Herog was here when he did the podcast. And I said, woody, how you like to. And he said, I, I, you know, he said, I sometimes I like to watch these reality shows to observe Honey Boo Boo. And I thought, if Werner Herog is watching Honey Boo Boo.

[Sona]

Yeah, it's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're all okay.

[Sona]

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's fine. I like it. I mean, I. I get too into it, though. Like, I really want to watch Love island, but it's like a huge commitment.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah. I can't. I've not gotten into that. Or. Like a bachelor.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'll say this again. They. Each one of those People burns about 2 calories an episode. They sit, they talk, and then one of them might stand up and lead them to a slightly different area that's three feet away to have a separate talk.

[Amanda Lund]

Matt told me he said that.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's true.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah. It's a bad take.

[Conan O'Brien]

Does Matt ever come home and go, conan said the funniest thing today?

[Amanda Lund]

Well, he does say, like, he told me that. And he said, you might be interested in this. That Conan said.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, that's nice.

[Sona]

Does he have. I have a question.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah.

[Sona]

Does he have too many projects?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Sona]

Is he always tinkering and doing things and is it annoying?

[Matt Gourley]

Yes. I can answer for her.

[Show Producer]

Definitely.

[Amanda Lund]

He does Love a project. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

In your defense, I've been over to your house and he's very talented. He'll say, oh, I built this, I built that. And clearly you are quite handy. But yeah, he does seem like someone who is always tinkering in the corner.

[Amanda Lund]

Yes. Like, the latest project is. Okay, so he's got the back house, right. Which is like our little. His podcast studio number two. Second to this one. And, okay, so on the wall.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait a minute, he's doing these other podcasts. I won't have it.

[Amanda Lund]

Go ahead, please. On the wall, there's, okay, a guitar case with a guitar in it, but it's not just a guitar case. You open it up and a bar comes down, and inside it's a hidden closet. And inside the closet are, like, booze shelves that are lit from below.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

He is a crafty alcoholic. And then he made a bassinet, but it's really a beer dispenser.

[Matt Gourley]

Giant flask.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah. I'm noticing a theme here.

[Matt Gourley]

I know.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, but you're very good at it. But I just think there must be times where you think you put down that screwdriver right now. Let's tango.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There, listen, there is. I support the projects, but there's certain projects I'm like 100% behind and some that I'm just, like, just turned a blind eye to, and I go, let him have his fun. You know what I mean?

[Conan O'Brien]

Let him have his fun.

[Amanda Lund]

As long as he's in the door by 6pm what do I care what he's doing with the first 10 hours of the day?

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow.

[Matt Gourley]

I start podcasting promptly at 5:30am every morning.

[Conan O'Brien]

You can do anything you want as long as you're home by six. That's an incredible leeway that you're getting. Yeah. Liza's having me to do anything as long as I don't come home. Okay, this is a fair question, I think, but is there anything that Matt does routinely that sort of rankles you a little bit that it doesn't have to be anything terrible, but just as like, oh, my. You know, because my wife has plenty of those.

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, like a pet peeve.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, this is like a. Okay, this is a real question. Okay, well, okay, this. He doesn't do it as much anymore, but he used to wear noise canceling headphones, like, around the house listening to podcasts. So I would talk and then there'd be no answer, and that I didn't like that. And so we talked about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Except that's why? That's why you got a podcast. Just so you could talk to your husband. Welcome back to hello, Matt. Can you please put the tuna salad back in the refrigerator?

[Sona]

Your arms look great when you take out the trash.

[Matt Gourley]

We talked about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Your legs look great when you get the fuck outta here.

[Matt Gourley]

We had a serious discussion about it, but I was wearing noise canceling headphones at the time.

[Sona]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Lund]

But now what he does is he just plays them out loud on the phone.

[Matt Gourley]

Wait, not that often though. Do I need to. Do I need to scale this back?

[Amanda Lund]

Listen, I'm cool. I'm easy peasy. I'm like, no, this is. I don't. I'm just. I'm being put on the spot to say a pet peeve.

[Sona]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, I think rap sign just came up here. No, we found this is an area where maybe there could be some improvement. And I think of this series as a little bit of marriage counseling.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, it's a chance and the healthiest marriages can use with a little discussion. Except for mine. Or maybe I can talk, but I don't want anyone else typing up.

[Amanda Lund]

Oh, you guys will like this. Okay, so this is like my talk show story that I wanted to bring on.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay, so this is something about you that surprised me. So Matt and I had been. And it kind of goes back to like the question of like, your. Your hobbies and like his. Is he how you perceive him or how you display him on the podcast? Okay, so Matt and I have been dating for like a couple of years. At this point. It was in our old apartment and in our bedroom, there was like this old vintage trunk that we were using just as a bench. Like, I just thought it was a decorative trunk. I never thought.

[Conan O'Brien]

You sit on it. You put your. Your work boots. The door.

[Amanda Lund]

Yes. And I never thought to open it. And so one day I was just like, oh, I wonder if this could be storage for something. And I open it, and inside there are hundreds of T shirts, novelty Shakespeare T shirts. And for years he had been selling these T shirts, hand drawn Shakespeare art, and these T shirts on a website. He had a whole website domain and he never disclosed this to me.

[Conan O'Brien]

You had.

[Matt Gourley]

His secret website was not hiding it.

[Commercial Announcer]

The.

[Matt Gourley]

The business had, like, had like withered to a. A near death. It wasn't even. I wasn't even.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, really? There's not big money in bespoke cool Shakespeare T shirts. Explain to me what these even are like, look like.

[Matt Gourley]

Okay, I had this.

[Amanda Lund]

He still sells them and he still.

[Conan O'Brien]

You still sell them. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Can you describe. I'm not gonna go to him. You can't speak for a second? Amanda, describe just what one of these mighty sign up.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay, it was. I just had to say this. It was like a white T shirt with like a hand drawn ink portrait of like, I don't know, like Hamlet. What happened to Hamlet again?

[Conan O'Brien]

Nothing good.

[Sona]

His dad died.

[Amanda Lund]

Okay.

[Sona]

Mary's mom. Am I thinking about Oedipus?

[Amanda Lund]

Oedipus, okay. And there'd be like a quote underneath it that was like a joke. Like what?

[Matt Gourley]

They were humorous. So it was just Hamlet lying dead on the. And the quote was not to be. And so I would say to be

[Conan O'Brien]

or not to be.

[Matt Gourley]

Festivals and as like merchandise for their plays and stuff like that.

[Amanda Lund]

Look, I'm not proud you went to.

[Conan O'Brien]

See, here's what fascinates me. It fascinates me a couple of things here. There's. I'm imagining it's not a huge bedroom because you're a young couple. You haven't even gotten married yet. You know, he's not. He's living off of T shirt dough from Shakespeare festival.

[Show Producer]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

We're living in the house that those Shakespeare T shirts built.

[Amanda Lund]

He told me he was a teacher. He did not mention that he was running this company.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. He tells a lot of people he's a teacher.

[Amanda Lund]

How were you impressed?

[Matt Gourley]

No, the company is generous. No, it had just died. It was.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was doing anything.

[Amanda Lund]

That's what they're having.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know what I love here? Your wife. Fiance catches you. Your secret. Your secret activity on the Internet late at night. And it's not robot porn. It's watching. It's T shirt. A T shirt company with puns about Hamlet.

[Matt Gourley]

In many ways, it would have been better if I had a mistress.

[Sona]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

It would have been so much. You'd have been so much happier if it was just.

[Sona]

It would have been so much better

[Conan O'Brien]

if it was just. You opened it up and it's just hundreds of thousands of VHS cassettes.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Sona]

Or dildos. If it was just dildos.

[Conan O'Brien]

Dildos. You'd be like.

[Sona]

I would have been.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, well, yeah, we can resell these. Hose them down and resell them.

[Amanda Lund]

Resell them. I think I just sat there quietly and just waited for him to get home and was like, how do I. What do I say?

[Conan O'Brien]

The secret life. And so what did you. You just said, explain this. And you held up a T shirt.

[Amanda Lund]

I did. And then you're bringing in one of

[Conan O'Brien]

these T shirts, by the way, yeah, you have to. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are.

[Matt Gourley]

I gave them all away.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, here we go.

[Friend/Colleague]

Yeah, I. I've known. I've known Matt for maybe 14 years at this point, and I've never heard of this before. I've never heard the story, and it must have been happening while we've known each other. And the fact you had an entire business is just.

[Matt Gourley]

It's.

[Friend/Colleague]

It shouldn't be shocking because of what it is, but it's just shocking that it exists. And it's been quiet this whole time.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, it really is. Like, if I was just. If I make landmines in my spare time and bury them around, you know, it's just as shocking.

[Amanda Lund]

Well, honey, do you want to plug your website? It still lies.

[Show Producer]

I don't know.

[Matt Gourley]

The website is. The website.

[Amanda Lund]

It's on redbubble. It's on redbubble. And every time he makes a sale now, he forwards me the email, and people are buying, like, the sticker version of it. So it'll be like, 88 cents for, like, this, like, forward it Opilia sticker.

[Matt Gourley]

See, it's.

[Conan O'Brien]

Can we. Can we plug it on? So how.

[Amanda Lund]

How do people find it? We need the money.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. Things are tough at the Gorely house.

[Matt Gourley]

Go listen to the Complete Woman. That's the pod. That's where you should go. This is.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, well, your podcast, the Complete Woman sounds hilarious.

[Amanda Lund]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm going to investigate this business of yours, Matt, and there's nothing you can do about it. I am curious. I know I've been given the rap, like, 15 times, but you're extremely entertaining. How did you guys meet? Like, what was that? The cute meet. How did it go?

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, the cute meet. It was a trash can.

[Conan O'Brien]

Was following you home.

[Amanda Lund]

Well, we actually meet cute. I'm sorry. It's me.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cute.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah. We did not meet at Disney, although we worked there together for years and never crossed paths, that we remember. But we met at Universal Studios Hollywood, the entertainment capital of la, and in orientation. Anyone who's been to Universal probably has seen on the New York street. They have, like, these New York people who hang out of a window are like, hey, like, pepperoni or whatever.

[Conan O'Brien]

Pepperoni. I love that.

[Sona]

Yeah.

[Amanda Lund]

So for one summer, they were trying. They had a little, like, British street, and they were like, well, let's put some British people hanging out of the window. And Matt and I were hired to do this job, and we met at orientation, and it was.

[Conan O'Brien]

Your line was English pepperoni, but we

[Amanda Lund]

met at orientation, and it was like love at first speak.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, at speak.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

So right away.

[Amanda Lund]

Right away. And then by the end of the orientation day, we were going up, you know, like those big escalators they have to the parking structures. He and I were on the escalator together, and there was a couple in front of us, and they were both wearing Benicio del Toro werewolf.

[Matt Gourley]

What's it called? The Wolf man bowling shirts that had big wraparound graphics of Benicio del Toro as the Wolfman.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right. You thought I could make a T shirt better than that?

[Matt Gourley]

And I did. And I did.

[Amanda Lund]

And I turned to Matt and I said, that's going to be us in 20 years. And then it is in five years.

[Matt Gourley]

That's what we'll be doing.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah, that's what we'll be doing.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's really sweet. Also, you brought your little kids in today, which was really sweet. Yeah, that's lovely.

[Amanda Lund]

Yeah. Our new little baby.

[Conan O'Brien]

That is the smilingest baby I've ever seen. Just amazing. And then until I showed up, I started smiling at everybody, and then I was like, hiya, kid. Amanda, thank you so much for coming in. Really cool. And this is fascinating. We're gonna. And then there's gonna be an episode where just you guys talk.

[Amanda Lund]

Wow. Are you guys scared?

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah. I think we might lose the podcast.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're thinking, yeah, I think this could be a problem. But you know what? I'm. I'm happy we ran our course.

[Sona]

Yeah. We did it.

[Conan O'Brien]

We did it. We had a good run.

[Matt Gourley]

Put us down.

[Commercial Announcer]

Put us down.

[Sona]

We had a good run.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right, thank you very much, Amanda.

[Show Producer]

Conan o' Brien needs a few with Conan o', Brien, Sonam of Session and Matt Gourley, produced by me, Matt Gourley executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross and Nick Leow. Theme song by the White Stripes, incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair, and our associate talent producer is Jennifer. Samples, engineering and mixing by Adoring Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Bautista and Brit Kahn. You can rate and review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? Call the Team Coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message. It too, could be featured on a future episode. You can also get three free months of SiriusXM when you sign in [e-mail] Conan and if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O' Brien needs a friend. Wherever fine podcasts are downloaded,

[Conan O'Brien]

Everyone is talking about Matthew Reese's new horror comedy series Widow's Bay on Apple TV, which was just nominated for 19 Emmy Awards. Yeah, I am a massive fan of Widow's Bay.

[Sona]

Me too.

[Conan O'Brien]

And Matthew Rhys. I think the writing on this show is spectacular. All the performances are great. One of my favorite new shows.

[Sona]

Same.

[Conan O'Brien]

Absolutely terrific. Matthew plays the mayor of a quaint but cursed island off the coast of New England. He's trying to bring tourism back to help the struggling community. When he begins to succeed in getting visitors to Widow's Bay, some very creepy things start to happen and chaos ensues. It's a really good show. You can watch all episodes of Widow's Bay now at fyc. Finding a skilled hire takes more than just reviewing a resume. You know what I mean? You can't just go bleep bleep bleep bleep. That doesn't get it done. As AI raises the bar on how experience is presented, hiring managers need better ways to evaluate skills and fit. That's where Robert Half can help the recruiters combine their expertise with award winning AI to review what's behind every application quickly. And that's important. Quickly. Who's got time these days? No one. Learn how they can help you find specialized talent in finance, accounting, technology and more at Robert Half. They know talent. Visit roberthalf.com talent today.