
Conan talks to kinetic sculptor Breakfast about how to create moving pieces of art and designing a 50-foot sphere for cruise ships. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply
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No. Chew. Chew.
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What you say? Terrible timing.
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Terrible timing.
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Oh, no. Hey.
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Welcome to Colonel o' Brien News Family.
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Oh my God.
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I want to apologize for. Let me apologize quickly to you, sir. Matt Goerley was chewing what looked like a kind of a nut bar.
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It was a nut bar.
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And that's rude because we're talking to you. You're a guest. But my mouth is clear and I can speak to you succinctly.
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I just was given warning.
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No, I think you did.
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I thought that's just how you talk.
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Yeah.
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You've been away for a while, so maybe something happened. Thank you.
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Yes, Andrew, yes. I forgot how to talk. Andrew brought out the big guns right away. He knows you took an overly long paternity leave. Here we go. Your name, sir, is Andrew Ze. That's your real name, but you go by the name. Tell me how to pronounce this.
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Breakfast. You popped up that name.
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What did you.
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How did you. I didn't know if it was. It says breakfast and I thought, oh, chances are I'm going to say breakfast, and he's going to go, excuse me, it's breakfast. But it is here in the notes
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that it means to move fast and break stuff.
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I don't read the notes.
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Oh, okay.
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I talk to people. You're an accountant over in the corner.
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I'm trying to help you. You don't need to. Excuse me, I gotta have another bite.
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Yeah, yeah. You need to go back for it. You need to carbo load. So, breakfast. You are. It says here you are a kinetic sculptor. What is kinetic sculpture? Tell me about it.
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Can you see behind me?
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I can, but it's also a podcast,
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a lot of it.
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So I thought it'd be good to maybe include some words in there somewhere. I see behind you. Let me describe to our listeners who aren't watching this that, yes, I see interlocking rings that are twisting and undulating. I see. I mean, it's very cool. I see a shimmering series of silver rectangles. There's a. I mean, look, I could describe these things all day.
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Could you?
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Because that was a rough description.
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Yeah, that was pretty rough.
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That was pretty good. That was pretty.
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Look whose candy bar just hit the stomach. You came in hot. I was like, chomp, chomp, chomp.
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Really?
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Conan? Okay, breakfast. Tell me this kinetic sculpture. I've seen examples of this places. I go to Seattle a lot. It's where my wife's family's from, and they have a hammering man there. It's a tall sculpture that hammers away. It's hammering out some pewter or something, but it's really cool. And it's about. I don't know, might be 40ft tall.
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Yeah.
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Is that the. Would that be a kinetic sculpture?
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I think it would. I mean, kinetic just means moving, but I try to dial it up a little bit. So like. So, yeah, all the things I make, I tend to try and one, make them really interactive, which maybe if I run away from the microphone in a sec, I can show you. But then all these things are actually moving based on real time data as well. So, like this little silver moving kind of moves like water.
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Yeah, it's beautiful. It shimmers.
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Yeah, it does it. And it. It. Here, I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
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He's moving away.
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He's moving away. Oh, following his hand. He is like a magician. You just waved your hand over this surface and it. It all started sort of undulating, responding to you, and. And all the different tiles moved in a different way. It was very cool.
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Yeah. And it's. And it's actually the way that it moves. It's connected to Lake Chapala in Mexico, which is receding due to climate change. And so as that water goes up and down, it changes what happens when you move your hand through it. So kind of like if you had a puddle that got deeper or shallower, it actually changes based on that. So all the pieces have this sort of real time data thing going to it and interaction. And it pretty much just comes from me being a kid, walking through museums and feeling bad that I was bored and just trying to make art.
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That you walked by Michelangelo's David and thought, why ain't that fucking guy moving around?
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No.
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Yeah.
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Why isn't his penis twirling?
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Oh, my God.
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Well, I'm serious.
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We can make that twirling.
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I know. And it should twirl. It should grow and shrink in relation to.
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Now we're talking.
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Well, okay, I went too far. Yeah, but grow and shrink.
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Shrink.
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It's a skinny boner. But I have a question. I have a. Well, wouldn't that be amazing if they could grow and shrink in relation to what's happening? If only. Clearly, I'm completely unfamiliar with how a real penis works.
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Mine goes up and down based on
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that lake in Mexico.
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Yeah. Whenever a lake passes, he's like, breakfast. And I say this. I love saying breakfast. Now listen here. Breakfast. You are the most important meal of the day. What are the devices at work? What's happening to. What kind of mechanical stuff are you doing? What kind of wiring? I'm just curious. I don't need, you know, to get into the weeds.
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Yeah, it's. Well, I should be fair in that over there. Normally there's. There's 16 people that help me do this these days. Yeah. Because we make massive, massive things. So. So we're doing all the electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, industrial design. So there's. There's computers inside each one of these things. There's motors. There's, you know, we've made pieces with 9,000 motors that move 24 hours a day in the middle of cruise ships and weird stuff like that. But it is complex, takes a tremendous amount of effort and time and gets really nerdy.
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I have a question.
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But, you know, it's just for the kids.
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What is these. It's very cool. These things look amazing. What is the. It's funny to ask about sculpture, but what's the maintenance? I mean, do you get called in, like you've done a very beautiful, complicated. And they say, yes. One of the servos, One of the 9,000 servos is on the fritz. Is it hard to maintain?
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Battery needs to be replaced.
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Yeah, you just go to Angie's list to get someone.
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How do you exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's all Angie.
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I'm here to fix your sculpture.
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Where is it?
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Oh, yeah, you got one of those undulating. Lake Titicaca. All right, I know what's going on.
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Stick a screwdriver in it. It'll be fine. Yeah, no, it's. I mean, it's. That is the. That is actually my favorite question to answer because I get it constantly. And, and the, the way that I explain this is we live in a world where we are very used to consumer devices that are made as kind of cheaply and efficiently as possible, and they gotta cost very little. If you think about sending a satellite into space that you don't get back, that's kind of more the model that we follow. Right. So every. That's why we make everything from scratch is to. Every motor is custom design. Every circuit board. And the part you put on there, you can choose something that Instead of costing 10 cents, oh, we spent a dollar on that one little part. And it will now last 50 to 100 years instead of 5 to 10. And so if you build it the right way, it will last. And then at the same time, you know, we got a lot of pieces all around the world. And if something were to happen, you know, I've had, you know, the cleaning person smash a broom into something, then we got to make it really easy to just swap it out. So we also design and fire the
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cleaning where it's a sphere.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's the first thing you do.
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At least fire them. Something like that.
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You designed and built a piece called the Pearl. It says Here it's a 54 foot sphere with thousands of tiles and it mimics the wind and waves. I mean, where is this? How can I see this?
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That is the one on. Well, we've made two of them and they're on the two biggest cruise ships in the world. So they're. They literally hold up the decks above where they are. This is massive thing.
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Oh, so it's, it's. They're load bearing as well.
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They're load bearing. Yeah. This is a horrible idea. It's.
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Yeah, I mean, it's load bearing. It's 54ft.
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Yeah.
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In circumference, I guess.
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Thousands of tiles and it's 9,9000 motors moving. This is the one I was saying. It's just 24 hours a day in the middle of the ocean. Reacting to data across the Caribbean. It's. It's a beast. And, you know, it was a little hard to sleep at night.
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I could just see the. The. The. Those ships crashing all the time because everyone on board is just looking at the undulating sphere.
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Whoa.
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And then they just ran into an iceberg.
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And then the sphere undulates even more.
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Yeah, it starts undulating, and then it's underwater undulating. Because an orca.
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I'm probably. I'm probably not supposed to say it, but there is a. There's a stairway that. So you walk down these stairs through the middle of it. And my fear kind of came true, which is who on a rocking ship looking at a sphere can walk downstairs and not trip and fall? And they probably don't like me mentioning that, but, you know, it's. There's some extra stair lighting now. We'll just put it that way.
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And may God rest their soul. Exactly.
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So I'll make sure my lawyer doesn't listen. Yeah.
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Okay.
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Exactly.
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Let's see this gift. Ooh, a ninja indoor grill. This is something that looks really good.
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Look at us.
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We're not so dumb. Anyway, go ahead. What do you think?
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Yeah, no, I mean, that's. That is. That is the dream, I would say, is that we don't build. We don't build like the Eiffel Tower kind of. Kind of pieces anymore. And if they are, I don't know, I want to create something. That's the big dream, to create something like that. But now imagine Brookline, Mass.
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You know, a giant mechanical Conan used car balloon.
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Yeah.
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What would you do?
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What would you do? Say I was insane and let's say I had a massive amount of money. Yeah. And I commissioned you. What. How would you depict me? How would you use your powers? How would you use your powers in with all these servos and moving parts? To do a Conan sculpture.
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To do a Conan. Okay, so what you like? I. I actually think we should lift from the. The Michelangelo. I think we need a nice pale Conan. We need a. We need a pale figure, a boner and Conan of a homan. We're going that. We're going to use that. And then I think what we're going to do, we're going to make your. Your hair.
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It's got to be the hair.
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Make it out of brass.
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Yes.
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And it's going to actually, we'll connect that to Brookline. So whatever. The wind is my hometown of Brookline, Mass.
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In with how the wind's blowing in Brookline will affect how my massive 60 foot high hair is undulating.
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Yeah. But I think the best part. Do you know those sculptures that sometime, like, you'll go by a. There's like a statue where you'll rub it, the guy's foot or his nose, and it's like, luck. You ever see these?
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Yeah, yeah. And they're worn. They're actually kind of worn away in those spots.
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They're worn away. So I think this is how. Because my pieces are interactive, so I think you need to rub some part of you and your hair. Your hair shoots out.
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I think we all know what we're talking about here.
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I think we do. I think we do.
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We should go for it.
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How about instead of that, when the real man gets rubbed, the kinetic sculpture has a hookup.
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You know what I mean?
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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And so, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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When I'm in some rub and tug joint in Miami. Come on, waiter in Prague. My hair starts doing a loop de loop.
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Not your hair. The hair's still connected to Brookline.
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Oh, oh, the hair is showing you Brookline. Okay, I get it. This is. This is amazing that you have made this your life. I'm always fascinated by people who manage to, through perseverance, talent, a lot of hard work, I'm sure, carve out this life of themselves. It's just kind of perfect. And it sounds like you're doing exactly what 10 year old you would have dreamed of doing. Is that true?
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I think that's very accurate. Yeah. Yeah. It's still waiting for the money, but we'll get to that point. Really?
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I mean, you seem like you must be very successful.
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Yeah.
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Even your space is very.
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There's this. There's the. The, you know, there's the success in terms of what we've achieved.
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Yeah, definitely.
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But then there's the, you know, I gotta send my kids to college.
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Right?
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There's gotta be a way to do that. Yeah, but.
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Well, I don't know.
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So I'm gonna go outside and just. I'm gonna busk. I'm just gonna play guitar on the street and everything's gonna be fine. Yeah, I'm not worried.
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Listen, I think college is overrated.
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Tell me everything's gonna.
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It's gonna be fine. They can learn from their phones, AI. And their phones will tell them what they need to do. You've got sculptures to make. They are not your concern. I always say that about children. Is it true that you worked. Someone told Me that you worked on the Conan blimp when we launched on TBS back in 2010. Is that true?
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That is. Yeah. Absolutely. I got to. I flew in that blimp. In fact, I will tell you, all of this is here because of that blimp, because it was the first project. So we started breakfast. It was me and two other guys, and we were trying to explain to people how you could connect the online world and the real world. And TBS calls up and says, we have a blimp. Do you think you can connect that in some way? And that was the first project that kind of got us going.
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People could tweet at the blimp and it would react.
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Yeah, it would. It was four. Does anyone remember Foursquare?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if you remember Foursquare. Yeah. So it was the first moving location. So people would get in their cars to try and get close enough to check into it. And then the blimp would actually get happy or sad. And when it gets sad, it would, like, go and check into a cemetery. And if it got happy, it would go over to, like, a baseball game and get a hot dog or check in. And that's. That was so weird.
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I'm happier at a cemetery and sadder at a baseball game. I'm not. Not even kidding.
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Oh, no.
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But that, you know, that's amazing. First of all, thank you. Cause I thought that blimp was one of the coolest things I was ever associated with. It was so much fun. And then. Did you ever go in it? Yes, I flew in the blimp. And I'll never forget this. They let me take the wheel at one point, which isn't that scary. Cause it's a balloon. But I put it into a power dive, and it was slowly diving down and through the windshield. I don't know if you can remember this, Sona. You were at the Goodyear. I think it was Goodyear.
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Yeah, it was.
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You were at the Goodyear. You would come with me. And so you were in this giant field, and I went into a power dive and aimed it at you. And I remembered you, like, in jeans and that brown leather jacket, running away as I was in a power drive power dive in a Goodyear blimp with my name on it.
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It's like view to a kill.
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Yeah. No, it really was. It's one of the funniest images in my head is me. And they're. They're like, well, you're going to want to pull up soon. But it's not Dire. In a balloon, they mean. Like, maybe. Maybe that potato is done in another hour. But I'm in this dive, and you were. Saw me coming towards you, and you ran.
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I remember that.
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And you ran.
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And I really do remember that. I do.
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Tormenting my assistant with the Goodyear blimp in real time.
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Sick. Man.
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This is really fun. I. I love the stuff behind you. Looks amazing. It really does. And I think it's.
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Can I make it look more exciting?
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Sure. Oh, my God.
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See that?
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Yes. The sculpture behind you just became my face. Oh, my God.
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Turn it off. No, that's. That's. Well, you're gonna run away from the mic.
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That's incredible. Look at that. Oh, he just ran through my face and shattered it.
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That is so cool.
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I didn't like the part where my face went away.
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Yay.
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Baby happy.
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This thing's connected to his ego.
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Baby happy. My ego. The power of 10,000 suns. Listen, you are a very talented person. I really love what you're doing. I look forward. I want to check out. I'm going to. I'm going to go online and try and check out, because I want to see these sculptures that are on. On the cruise ships. I want to see this stuff.
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Is this in a gallery?
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They're in galleries. Yeah. There's some stuff.
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Where are you now?
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Where am I right now?
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Can we go there?
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This is. This is. Yeah, this is Brooklyn. Next time you're in.
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I was in Brooklyn a couple days ago. I could have gone by.
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I don't know. You could have been here. Yeah, you should have. Next time you're lost.
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I had a gig. I had a G in Williamsburg. It was really fun, but I. I missed that. I didn't know. Well, my hat's off to you, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of your stuff. And I just very cool to talk to you and to see what you're up to.
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I've been amazing to talk to you guys. I'm honestly a massive, massive fan. This is a true honor.
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Well, the honor. The honor is ours. You're super talented, and I hope our paths cross, because I want to see what you're up to. I really do.
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So cool.
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Likewise. I love it.
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Well, this is what we're like.
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Thanks so much for having me.
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Sorry there's no more to see of what we're doing. I think you're going places. All right, take care, man. We'll see you later.
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Thanks so much. Bye.
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Bye.
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Take care, everyone.
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Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend
Original Air Date: June 18, 2026
Host: Conan O'Brien
Co-hosts: Sona Movsesian, Matt Gourley
Guest: Andrew “Breakfast” Ze (kinetic sculptor)
This episode of Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend welcomes kinetic sculptor Andrew "Breakfast" Ze to the show. The conversation dives into the creative world of interactive, data-driven sculptures, the technical and artistic challenges behind them, and how art is merging with technology for astonishing public installations. The discussion remains characteristically playful and irreverent, featuring Conan’s signature banter and a healthy dose of absurd hypotheticals, including the concept of a moving statue of Conan himself.
The episode is packed with:
The Bonering Conan is a spirited exploration of kinetic art and the fusion of technology, made personal by Andrew “Breakfast” Ze’s stories of early career milestones (including a key Conan project), ongoing artistic ambition, and the joy and challenges of making interactive sculptures. The episode melds curiosity, candor, and comedy, celebrating creativity in both the art world and podcast studio.
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