BEST OF 2025: Time-Slipping Through Europe

Summary

Podcast Summary: Conspiracy Theories

Episode Title: BEST OF 2025: Time-Slipping Through Europe
Hosts: Carter Roy & Co-host (Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)
Release Date: December 17, 2025
Duration (Content): ~45 min

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" installment revisits the year’s most compelling story: time slips across Europe. The episode dives deep into claims of involuntary time travel—ordinary people finding themselves transported to different eras, seemingly by accident. The stories span historic locales in England, France, Scotland, and Germany, blending skeptical analysis with classic mystery and motive-hunting. Anchored by well-known cases like the Moberly–Jourdain incident at Versailles, the episode examines other European time slip accounts, psychological explanations, and what these stories say about our understanding of time.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: What is a Time Slip?

• Hosts recap the year (00:00–02:11): Carter and the co-host riff on notable 2025 podcast themes before introducing the topic of time slips—unintentional, uncontrolled travel to a different time.

• Stephen Hawking’s Time Travelers Party (01:20–02:11): An amusing and thought-provoking opener, where Hawking invites time travelers to a party, sending invitations only after the event to see if any guests from “the future” would show up. None do, which he takes as “experimental evidence that time travel is not possible.”

  “What if humans have already time traveled by accident? What if we can move through time, we just have no control over when that happens or what year we visit? What if we can time slip?”
  — Carter Roy (01:55)

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2. Case Study: The Moberly–Jourdain Incident (Versailles, 1901)

• Background on the main subjects (05:33–07:46): Introduces Charlotte Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain, two English academics.

• Strange Events at the Petit Trianon (07:46–11:19): While wandering Versailles, the pair experiences altered surroundings, ghostly figures in antique dress, and an overwhelming eerie atmosphere.

  “Moberly later describes feeling despondent, even depressed, while Jourdain likens her own state to walking through a dream.” — Co-host (08:48)

• Aftermath & Investigation (11:19–17:34): They compare notes, realize their experiences match, and embark on a years-long investigation. Ultimately, they publish An Adventure, detailing what they think was a psychic glimpse into Marie Antoinette’s last days.

  “They even theorized that what they saw was like an echo of Marie Antoinette’s memories, a psychic imprint of her last peaceful days at the Petit Trianon that became visible in 1911.”
  — Co-host (17:08)

• Skeptics and Supporters (17:34–18:23): The book draws both masses of readers and detractors. Later discovered architectural plans of a lost Chinese kiosk add a twist of possible validation.

  “The official website of Versailles acknowledges that decades after An Adventure came out, old plans are discovered that seem to back up at least part of their story.” — Co-host (18:23)

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3. A Glimpse of the Future: Victor Goddard and Drem Airfield (Scotland, 1935)

• Victor Goddard’s Experience (20:23–24:08): RAF commander Goddard flies over an abandoned airfield; in a sudden burst of sunlight, he sees the place fully restored with unfamiliar aircraft and mechanics in blue overalls—four years before these changes actually take place.

• Dealing with the Aftermath (24:08–25:56): Goddard remains quiet for years, only to see his vision become reality in 1939. This shakes his sense of fate and free will.

  “He wonders, do the fatalists have it right? Is everything preordained? And if not, then was he somehow chosen to have that vision of the future?”
  — Carter Roy (25:27)

• Goddard’s Legacy (25:59–27:34): After documenting other paranormal incidents, Goddard eventually becomes a well-respected wartime figure, noted for his role at Dunkirk and his knighthood.

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4. The Kersey Time Slip: Three Cadets in Medieval England (1957/1980s)

• Incident Overview (28:58–32:13): Three rookie Royal Navy cadets in Suffolk stumble into what appears to be a medieval version of the village Kersey—sound is deadened, modern features vanish, and a butcher shop is eerily empty and dilapidated.

• Long-Term Impact and Investigation (32:13–35:34): Two cadets reflect on the event decades later, eventually reaching out to parapsychology researcher Andrew Mackenzie.

• Retrocognition Theory (35:34–36:31): Mackenzie suggests the boys witnessed "retrocognition," essentially reliving a piece of the past—possibly the plague-ravaged 15th century, when Kersey appeared deserted and midtown landmarks were incomplete.

  “Mackenzie suggests the cadets had seen Kersey in the year 1420 or thereabouts. In those years, the village, like much of Europe, had been devastated by the Black Death.”
  — Carter Roy (36:05)

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5. Other European Time Slips

• Hamburg Bombing Premonition (37:53–38:28): Two journalists witness a bombing in Hamburg in 1932, only for it to occur exactly as witnessed—11 years later during World War II.
• Bold Street, Liverpool (38:55–40:14): Stories of people “slipping” into the past (usually the 1950s) abound in this bustling shopping district, including the famous account of the police officer Frank and the vanishing bookstore.

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6. Debunking and Skeptical Perspectives

• Cognitive Fallibility (40:21–41:27): Psychologists like Dr. Kieran O’Keefe propose time slips are natural errors—misinterpretation, tiredness, or confirmation bias.

  “People who witness these events believe they’re real, but they’re actually experiencing tricks of the mind.”
  — Carter Roy (40:42)

• Physical Theories and Limitations (41:32–43:41): The hosts break down scientific theories like Einstein’s time dilation, wormholes, and closed time-like curves but stress the immense barriers and unlikelihood, at least as it relates to these anecdotal events.

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7. Why Europe?

• Many cases come from Europe due to its dense history and preserved architecture; “time leaks” may feel more plausible amid so many old buildings.

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8. Concluding Thoughts

• Unsolved Mysteries (43:41–44:24): It’s impossible, the hosts admit, to rule out every explanation. Perhaps if time slips exist, the universe reveals them only at its whim.

  “Perhaps we can only time travel when—and if—the universe dictates it.”
  — Carter Roy (44:24)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the unsettling nature of time slips:

  “Or maybe you’d get a sickening feeling down in the pit of your stomach telling you something isn’t right.” (05:21)

• On the limits of science:

  “There’s so much we don’t know about the nature of time and how it works.” (41:32)

• On the persistence of belief:

  “Some say the Bold Street time slips are urban legends...but that doesn’t change the fact that so many people claim it’s happened to them too.” (40:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Stephen Hawking’s Time Traveler Experiment: 01:20–02:11
• Moberly–Jourdain Incident (Versailles): 05:33–19:07
• Victor Goddard’s “Future Trip”: 20:23–27:34
• Kersey Cadets & Retrocognition: 28:58–37:53
• Other European Cases: 37:53–40:14
• Skeptical Explanations: 40:21–43:41
• Wrap-Up & Final Theories: 43:41–44:24

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Style & Tone

The hosts strike a balance between skeptical inquiry, narrative suspense, and playful engagement. There’s a consistent theme: questioning both official explanations and extraordinary claims, always returning to mystery and wonder.

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Further Reading / Sources Cited

• Moberly and Jourdain, An Adventure
• Victor Goddard, Flight Towards Reality
• Mike Dash, “When Three British Boys Traveled to Medieval England — Or Did They?” Smithsonian Magazine

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In Summary:
This episode of Conspiracy Theories is a compelling, well-researched journey through Europe’s most enduring “time slip” stories, weaving together historical accounts, skeptical science, and an open-ended sense of wonder about the strange nature of time.

Transcript

[Carter Roy]

Hi Carter here. Back to declassify my second best of 2025. 2025. Big year for fluoride.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

And for us, big year for Antarctica and theater. Kids topics I didn't expect the show to mention multiple times. Our stories span from King Henry VIII to Larry king diving into MI6 operations.

[Carter Roy]

MKUltra secrets, and Miguel and Manuel's mysterious masks. And of course, we ran our big.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Summer series Conspiracy Theories World Tour. We traveled to every continent and through time. For my second pick, we're revisiting Time slipping through Europe. Our team is already digging deep into.

[Carter Roy]

Stories we want to tell in 2026.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

But we would love to hear your ideas for any future series or new deep dives. So drop us a line in the Spotify comments or on social we really.

[Carter Roy]

TR appreciate you all. Thank you so much again for an incredible 2025 and can't wait to see you next year. In 2009, astrophysicist Stephen Hawking threw a party at Cambridge University and nobody came.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Maybe it was because he intentionally sent out the invitations after the party was over. Why?

[Carter Roy]

It was all part of an experiment.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

The party he threw was a celebration for time travelers. Theoretically, anybody who unlocks the secret of time travel in the future can go back to 2009 and attend Hawking's get together.

[Carter Roy]

But no one showed up, which Hawking.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Took as experimental evidence that time travel is not possible.

[Carter Roy]

But what if humans have already time traveled by accident?

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

What if we can move through time? We just have no control over when that happens or what year we visit? What if we can time slip welcome.

[Carter Roy]

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This summer we're jet setting through history on a world tour of mystery and motives. Today we're stopping on the continent of Europe, specifically England, France, Scotland and Germany.

[Carter Roy]

But when exactly we're stopping?

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Well, that question is a little harder to answer because our stories today focus on people who've claimed to travel through time involuntarily.

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[Carter Roy]

Let's say you suddenly time traveled and.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Found yourself in the same location but in a different year from the past.

[Carter Roy]

How would you be able to tell? Maybe the buildings or trees would look a little off. Clothing on passersby might seem old fashioned. Perhaps you'd notice everyday items around you.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Are out of date, but they look brand new.

[Carter Roy]

Or maybe you'd get a sickening feeling down in the pit of your stomach telling you something isn't right. That's exactly what happened, supposedly, during the.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moberly Jordain incident in the summer of 1901, Charlotte Ann Elizabeth Moberly looks for a new vice principal.

[Carter Roy]

She's currently 15 years into her tenure.

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As the head of St Hugh's Hall.

[Carter Roy]

A prestigious all women's college in Oxford, England. Moberly comes from a large family of academics, and her contemporaries describe her as shy, demanding and, quote, incapable of silliness. It's maybe the reason her vice principals don't stick around for too long, but.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

She thinks she's found a good candidate.

[Carter Roy]

In Eleanor Frances Jourdain, a seasoned educator with experience running her own private school.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Jourdain is charming but not impulsive, and.

[Carter Roy]

She'S extremely serious when it comes to academics and the Arts.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

And perhaps most important to Moberly, she's loyal. It seems like the two might make a good team. Before they make it official, though, they decide to get to know one another.

[Carter Roy]

Jourdain suggests a trip to Paris. She's already renting an apartment there and has barely gotten the chance to explore. It seems like a good opportunity to do some entertaining and impress her future boss. After a few days in Paris, the two women make a day trip to Versailles. Now a tourist destination, it once served as the royal palace to France's kings and queens of years past. That's where the trip takes a turn that will change their lives forever. After viewing the main palace, the women.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Set out to find Petit Trianon, a.

[Carter Roy]

Smaller but still lavish palace commissioned by Louis xv. His successor then gifted it to his queen, Marie Antoinette. Walking the grounds, Moberly and Jourdain don't know exactly how to get there. But they're also in no hurry. The day is overcast, providing some relief from the usual August heat. And besides, they're deep in conversation when.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Jourdain accidentally passes the path to the main entrance.

[Carter Roy]

The and turns down a gated trail. Well, neither of them notices or really cares.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

They step through the gate and into.

[Carter Roy]

A series of strange events. They later recreate this diagram of their route, but for now, they realize they're lost.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

They stop to get directions from two men whom they refer to as gardeners.

[Carter Roy]

That's because they're standing next to a wheelbarrow and other landscaping tools.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Right away, both women notice the gardeners outfits are unusually formal and warm for August. They're wearing long greenish gray coats and tricorn hats, but neither woman mentions the odd clothing. Without comment, they follow the gardener's directions farther down the path.

[Carter Roy]

As they do, their emotions start to shift without explanation.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moberly later describes feeling despondent, even depressed, while Jourdain likens her own state to walking through a dream. But once again, in the moment, neither mentions anything to the other. Next, they approach a small circular structure ringed by columns with a roof on top.

[Carter Roy]

They describe it as a kiosk, but it looks like a bandstand you might see in the middle of a town square. It would be charming, except for what happens next. Everything goes still and silent.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

The cool breeze disappears. The woods behind the kiosk turn flat.

[Carter Roy]

As if they're now painted on a backdrop. And suddenly, they're not alone. A man in an unseasonably heavy black cloak sits by the kiosk, facing the other way.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

When he turns toward Them both women.

[Carter Roy]

Feel a strong sense of foreboding.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Jourdain thinks it's almost like he's looking through them.

[Carter Roy]

His face is grotesque. They find it hard to describe, but it looks like he's disfigured by smallpox. Moberly and Jourdain pause, unsure where to go. That's when they hear footsteps running up behind them.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

It's another man. He's young and handsome, with long hair worn in an old fashioned style. He kindly urges them to follow a different path.

[Carter Roy]

And then he runs off again, disappearing with uncanny speed, happy to get away from the man.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

At the kiosk, the women pass over a small bridge. A bit farther along, Moberly sees a woman sketching a landscape. She's properly dressed for summer, although her long, full skirt seems outdated.

[Carter Roy]

Finally, they reach the Petit Trianon.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

When they do, all of the strange.

[Carter Roy]

Feelings they've experienced over the last half hour or so disappear. They go on with their day as if nothing out of the ordinary happened. As weird as the story may sound, everything they experienced came down to a few bizarre details. Moberly estimates their walk took half an hour, a small blip in their busy vacation. They might have never spoken about the strange experience again.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Except one day, about a week later, Moberly writes a letter to her friend.

[Carter Roy]

Recounting her trip to Paris.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

As she puts her memories to paper.

[Carter Roy]

That same oppressive sinking feeling that came over her at Versailles comes back. Jourdain happens to be working in the same room.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moberly turns to her and asks if she thinks the Petit Trianon is haunted.

[Carter Roy]

Without hesitation, Jourdain replies, yes, I do. Once they start talking about Versailles, Moberly realizes it wasn't just her.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Jourdain had all the same unexplained feelings, and they'd been through that uncanny ordeal together. And that's pretty much where they leave it for the next three months. Then, one day in November, they decide.

[Carter Roy]

To separately record their accounts of walking through Versailles. Their stories align almost perfectly, although Jourdain.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Insists she never saw a woman sketching a landscape.

[Carter Roy]

Not long after that, Jourdain realizes the day they visited, August 10, marked a significant anniversary in French history.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Back in 1792, during the French Revolution, a mob stormed the Tuileries Palace.

[Carter Roy]

On that date, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were forced to flee and were later arrested. It marked a major turning point in the Revolution.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

According to one legend, it's also a day that the Petit Guianon, Marie Antoinette's.

[Carter Roy]

Old stomping grounds, is more susceptible to supernatural conditions.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

The two academics know, logically, they visited.

[Carter Roy]

Versailles in the year 1901. But they also think it's possible that.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

The people they saw, and even the buildings and objects around them, were from another time period entirely.

[Carter Roy]

They just can't figure out why. They decide to submit their story to the Society for Psychical Research, but it gets rejected. In a way, Moberly understands the rejection. She'd often dismissed other people's strange or supernatural tales.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

She used to think if they just.

[Carter Roy]

Bothered to do a little research, they'd surely find a viable explanation.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

So she and Jourdain launch an investigation into their own experience.

[Carter Roy]

One that lasts nine years, since she has an apartment in Paris.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Jourdain makes a few return trips to.

[Carter Roy]

Versailles and reports back to Moberly every time she visits.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

She tries to retrace their steps from that day, but she can never do it. The area looks too different now. She can't find the kiosk where they.

[Carter Roy]

Saw this scary cloaked man, or the bridge they passed over. The paths and even the density of the trees around them look unrecognizable. She's relatively certain the area they walk through together now looks smaller, much smaller.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

She has no idea how it could.

[Carter Roy]

Have taken them half an hour to.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Get to the Petit Rianon.

[Carter Roy]

She also brings back photographs. One shows the Belvedere, an eight sided.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Pavilion close to where the kiosk should be.

[Carter Roy]

It's smallish and rounded, but they agree there's no way they could have confused the two structures.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moberly makes her own return trip in 1904 and confirms all of her vice principal's findings. So they get serious about researching Versailles during Marie Antoinette's time, because they think somehow, some way, they caught a glimpse.

[Carter Roy]

Of of the 18th century. They investigate the clothing that was in style and what the gardeners would have.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Worn, concluding it's a close match to.

[Carter Roy]

What they saw on the grounds during their strange trip.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Then they learn the history of the.

[Carter Roy]

Buildings they passed and try to figure out who lived and worked there back in the day. Perhaps they can identify someone they passed as a real historical figure.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Turns out they think they can remember the frightening man at the kiosk. Moberly and Jourdain theorized it was a nobleman named Duvaudray.

[Carter Roy]

He was one of Marie Antoinette's closest friends until they had a falling out.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

As for the woman Moberly saw sketching, Moberly thinks there's a strong chance it.

[Carter Roy]

Was the queen herself, Marie. Of course, it's a hard theory to.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Prove one big focus of their research involves trying to figure out what happened.

[Carter Roy]

To the kiosk they saw and some of the other landmarks that no longer seem to exist that might help them pinpoint the year they saw.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

They seek out experts, maps, architectural plans, and notes, looking for old structures that.

[Carter Roy]

Were torn down before 1901.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Eventually, they conclude, they had seen Versailles.

[Carter Roy]

As it existed in the years just before Marie Antoinette's idyllic life was upended by the Revolution.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

They even theorized that what they saw.

[Carter Roy]

Was like an echo of Marie Antoinette's.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Memories, a psychic imprint of her last.

[Carter Roy]

Peaceful days at the Petit Trianon that became visible in 1911.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moberly and Jourdain published their research and recollections in a book titled An Adventure. It's a huge hit, and over the years revised editions are printed.

[Carter Roy]

With new research, they sell thousands of.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Copies, gaining both fans and detractors. Some critics even publish their own books.

[Carter Roy]

Attempting to debunk and adventure in 1957.

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An author named Lucille Irmonger claims the.

[Carter Roy]

Women were never trustworthy sources in the first place.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

She paints Moberly as a superstitious religious zealot and reports that Jourdain once held a grudge against a student she allegedly thought had a threatening red.

[Carter Roy]

By the time Ironmonger's book comes out, Moberly and Jourdain are both already dead. But the interest in their story still hasn't waned.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

And get this, the official website of Versailles acknowledges that decades after An Adventure came out, old plans are discovered that seem to back up at least part of their story. They show evidence that a Chinese kiosk stood on the grounds back in 1774, which has long since been taken down right around the spot where Moberly and Jourdain's lost kiosk would have been now. Some call their experience time travel, others a ghost story.

[Carter Roy]

Or maybe it's a little bit of both.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

With time slipping, it seems all bets are off.

[Carter Roy]

Like in our next story, when a.

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British war hero gets a glimpse of.

[Carter Roy]

The future right below his very eyes.

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We'Re now taking off.

[Carter Roy]

In 1935, Victor Goddard is already a seasoned war veteran.

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He fought in World War I for.

[Carter Roy]

The Royal Navy Service and the Royal Air Force, or raf.

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During these interwar years, he's become a wing commander.

[Carter Roy]

Outside of work, Goddard enjoys golfing.

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So he flies himself in a two.

[Carter Roy]

Seater airplane to Scotland to play a few rounds.

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While he's there, he takes a short.

[Carter Roy]

Drive to visit Drem Airfield. He's curious if next time he plans to golf, he can just land here. Closer to the course, he can see right away it's fallen into too much disrepair to use as a landing strip. Drem had been used as a training.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Base throughout World War I, but ever since, the land it sits on has.

[Carter Roy]

Been reclaimed for agricultural use. The old tarmac has become a pasture, and the decrepit hangars that once housed warplanes are now glorified barns. They're occupied by cows, chickens and farming equipment. It's clearly a no go. The next day, Goddard is flying back home when he gets caught in a storm. Thick gray clouds and intense rain obscure.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

His path and he knows he's probably.

[Carter Roy]

A few miles off course.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

So he dips lower, flying just 30ft or so over sparsely populated farmland to get a better view. He's looking for Drem.

[Carter Roy]

If he can find the old airfield he just visited, he'll be able to course correct.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

Moments later, he spots it off in the distance.

[Carter Roy]

As he approaches, though, the storm comes to an abrupt stop. Out of nowhere, the airfield lights up.

[Co-host (possibly Miki Taylor or Connor Sampson)]

It's so bright, he thinks the light source could only be the sun.

[Carter Roy]

Not too difficult to imagine. But the next change he notices is downright bizarre. The dilapidated spot he saw just yesterday is replaced by a restored airfield.

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The overgrown pasture is now trimmed and tidied, the tarmac is freshly paved, and the hangars have been returned to their former glory. Drem Airfield is actually back in operation. Goddard spots five planes, three biplanes with.

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Their two wings stacked on top of.

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One another, and two monoplanes with single.

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Wings that look a little something like this.

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All of them are painted yellow, so.

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It'S likely they're in use as training aircraft. Flying at such a low altitude, he.

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Can also see two mechanics in blue overalls wheeling out one of these monoplanes.

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Out of the whole inexplicable scene below him, two details stand out to Goddard. One, he's never seen monoplanes of this particular design before, and he can't recall.

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Any monoplanes being used for training. Two, as he flies over the airfield, the mechanics never look up at him.

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It's as if they're totally unaware of his presence. Beyond the airfield.

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The rainstorm picks back up. Goddard climbs above the clouds to a safer cruising altitude, because now he's got.

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His bearings, but he has no idea what he's just seen.

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After he gets home, he tells the story to a colleague who jokes that.

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Goddard might have had a little too much whiskey.

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The second person he tells doesn't even.

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Acknowledge his strange tale. So he resolves not to talk about.

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It for years, out of fear that.

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It will make him seem unfit for duty until 1939.

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It's the year World War II formally.

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Begins and the year that Goddard realizes the unexplained visions he saw four years earlier have all become reality.

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By now, Drem Airfield has been renovated and reopened as a training school in a monoplane called the Miles Magister, or Maggie, is now in use. According to Goddard, it's the exact design he spotted on his strange flight. He says the overalls worn by airmen have even changed, and they now match the ones he saw those two mechanics wearing.

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It's a sobering realization, not just because Goddard thinks it's possible he saw the future somehow. In 1935, he saw the airfield as it would later exist, around 1939.

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But also he grapples with what this means for humankind's free will.

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He wonders, do the fatalists have it right?

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Is everything preordained? And if not, then was he somehow.

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Chosen to have that vision of the future?

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Ultimately, he doesn't come up with a good answer. Although he decides not to lose faith.

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In free will over time, Goddard becomes.

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A staunch believer in paranormal phenomena.

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He gives lectures and writes about his experiences.

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Today. He's often associated with this photograph, which.

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Purports to show a ghost caught on camera. Now, there are some inaccuracies out there about this ghost story, but here's what he writes. In his book Flight Towards Reality, Goddard recounts an anecdote he got from a friend about a large group photograph of military personnel. It was taken around the time of the World War I armistice in 1918.

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He claims the photo shows the face.

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Of air mechanic Freddy Jackson, a man who had died three days before the picture was taken. In later years, Goddard allegedly has another encounter with a vision of the future.

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One that possibly saves him from dying.

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In a plane crash.

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He's also largely remembered as a hero. Goddard goes on to play an instrumental role for the RAF in World War II. According to his obituary in the Independent, he helps to pull off the Dunkirk evacuation, serves as the Chief of Air.

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Staff in New Zealand, and in 1943, he's knighted.

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Sir Goddard is made a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, one of Britain's most senior orders of chivalry.

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Which makes him perhaps the most decorated person ever to claim he experienced a time slip. But he's not the only service member to find himself in a place that seems eerily out of time. Coming up, two cadets go on a routine mission and come back feeling changed.

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In 1957, three 15 year old boys.

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Traipsed through the English countryside.

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William Bill Lang, Michael Crowley and Ray Baker just joined the Royal Navy and.

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The cadets are in the middle of a miles long training mission. Follow the map, spot the checkpoint and report back to base camp. On this clear October morning, birds sing.

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As the cadets march up a steep hill. They find themselves overlooking the quaint village.

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Of Kersey, located in Suffolk, a place none of them has ever laid eyes on before. The boys can see rows of smoking chimneys in the imposing stone tower of St. Mary's Church. Its loud bells seem to mark their arrival.

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They press onward to their destination and as they descend the hill, two of.

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The boys grow uneasy.

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Lang and Crowley notice the noise all.

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Around them cuts out. The church bells and birdsong are replaced with dull silence. The only noise they can make out.

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Is a stream flowing nearby.

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That's when they realize the Town looks weird too.

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The ducks over by the water don't seem to be moving. Even the trees, which were just rippling in the breeze, appear motionless. On closer inspection, the leaves have actually shifted from bright fall colors to to a vivid green.

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The moment is reminiscent of Moberly and.

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Jourdain's alleged time slip in Versailles. Just like in that account, Bill Lang, one of the cadets, reports feeling overcome with sadness. And he and Crowley notice the buildings around Kersey have changed.

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The immense tower at St. Mary's is gone. They don't see it anywhere.

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The chimneys are still there, but there's.

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No longer smoke coming out. All around them they see wood framed.

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Buildings, like something out of a movie.

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Set during the Middle Ages. Entering the village, they realize the place has no signs of modern conveniences either.

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Like street lamps, TV antennas or telephone poles. Also missing the villagers. Kersee appears to be deserted, but strangely.

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Enough, the cadets get a sense that they're being watched.

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On one road, they stop and peek through a window.

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It's dirty and hard to see through, but they can make out what appears to be a butcher shop.

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Only it's not like any butcher shop.

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The boys have seen.

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There are no counters, no display case.

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Stocked with meat, no cash register.

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There are no employees or even customers. The shop is practically empty except for two or three whole oxen skinned that.

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Have been sitting there for so long they've spoiled. The cadets peer inside another building. It too has small, grimy windowpanes and looks deserted inside. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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And the boys don't stick around long.

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Enough to figure out what's going on. They hightail it out of Kersey and.

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Back up the hill, never pausing until they reach the top. When they finally turn around, everything seems back to normal. The church tower and chimney smoke have reappeared.

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The cadets make it back to base.

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Camp with their mission successfully completed. They found the village of Kersee. But when Lang and Crowley try to.

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Talk about how mysterious the trip was, their superiors brush off their story with a laugh. And so decades pass before the story resurfaces. Now it's the late 1980s.

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Lang and Crowley have both grown up and moved to Australia. One day they're catching up over the phone when the conversation turns to Kersey Village. All these years later, the two remember how eerily silent it was.

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And they never forgot the deserted butcher shop with the rotting oxen inside.

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Lang recounts more details of that day.

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Many of which Crowley has forgotten over time.

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But he always had the sense that.

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Something odd happened to them that day. Back in 1957. Again mirroring the Moberly Jourdain story, Lang.

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Reaches out to the Society for Psychical Research, and he's actually successful. He gets the attention of Andrew McKenzie.

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A longtime member of the organization with years of experience investigating psychical claims, especially ghost sightings.

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Mackenzie and Lang spend a couple of.

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Years writing back and forth about the Kersey incident, and in that time, Mackenzie starts compiling research.

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He learns the village is extremely old.

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It dates back to at least the nine hundreds. During the Middle Ages, Kersey became the.

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Prosperous epicenter of the wool trade. Wood framed buildings sprang up all over town that were actually still standing when.

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The cadets arrived in 1957. So parts of Kersey still look medieval, which could logically explain why Lang and Crowley thought they might have entered a different time period. Mackenzie, however, thinks something else happened in 1990. He travels to Kersey to see it for himself. Lang even flies in to meet him, all the way from Australia. Together they walk the streets, and Lang points out where he and Crowley saw the butcher shop. To Mackenzie, it's incredible, because nowadays the building is a private residence, and it had been a private residence back in 1957 when the boys first saw it. But Mackenzie learns something he finds mind blowing.

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That same building was actually registered as a butcher shop from about 1790 to 1905. And the place itself is much older. It's been there since the mid 14th century. MacKenzie theorizes it could have been in the butcher trade since around that time.

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At the conclusion of his investigation, Mackenzie.

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Thinks he's finally found an answer for.

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What happened to Lange and Crowley, something he called retrocognition. It's a term in parapsychology that describes.

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Seeing a past event take place in.

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Front of you as if it's happening right now in the present. In a sense, time slipping.

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The whole event has come to be.

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Known as the Kersey time Slip.

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He even thinks he knows why the.

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Village appeared deserted and why the church tower disappeared.

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Mackenzie suggests the cadets had seen Kersey.

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In the year 1420 or thereabouts. In those years, the village, like much of Europe, had been devastated by the Black Death. Kersee may have lost about half of its population. Renovations to St. Mary's Church were put on pause, like the building of its tower, which sat unfinished for decades.

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McKenzie thinks the boys traveled to Kersey during this specific time.

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In the stillness of the plague's aftermath, skeptics have other explanations. They say it's hard to ignore the fact that modern Kersey looks like a medieval town. Many of its current buildings date from the 14th to the 16th centuries. And then there's the fact that the.

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Third cadet present that day, Ray Baker.

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Apparently did not remember anything strange about the trip to Kersey. Writing for Smithsonian magazine, journalist and historian Mike Dash offers even more analysis.

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His research suggests why the boys saw.

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No modern day telephone wires. They were hidden behind buildings and underground.

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Thanks to the local preservation society.

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They didn't want some telephone poles ugling up the prettiest village in Suffolk. Dash also points out that nothing became of the story until Lange and Crowley shared their memories 30 years later, when time could have altered some of the details. So far, we've covered just three instances of alleged time slips. If you look at all the stories out there, it's hard not to notice.

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So many of them happened in Europe. There's another report from Germany. In 1932, two journalists were working on a story in Hamburg that took them.

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To the shipyards when out of nowhere.

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Bombs began dropping from the sky. They made a run for it, snapping photographs as they got away.

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When they developed the photos, nothing looked amiss. There was no evidence of the bombing they thought they'd just captured on camera. Eleven years later, in the midst of World War II, one of those journalists.

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Opened the newspaper and saw a report of a bombing at the same shipyards. It was precisely as he'd witnessed it years before the outbreak of the war. He got the sinking feeling he and his colleague had time slipped to the future. And there are actually a series of reports from multiple witnesses, all concentrated along Bold street in Liverpool, England.

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The area is a popular shopping destination right in the middle of the city.

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And supposedly it's a hotspot for time slips.

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One of the most popular accounts concerns.

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A police officer, Frank, who traveled there.

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With his wife for some retail therapy.

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While she went off to browse the bookstore, Frank popped over to another street.

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When he returned, he walked through a.

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Part of Bold street that seemed too quiet. Right afterward, he realized the bookstore where he had left his wife had vanished.

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The building was still there, but in.

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Its place was a department store, and.

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It looked like something out of the 1950s. The busy street was still heavily populated.

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But Frank realized everybody was wearing clothing that went out of style 40 years ago.

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As he entered the department store, though.

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It changed back into the bookstore.

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He reunited with his wife and everything went back to normal. At this point, you might guess what happened next.

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Frank later learned that the bookstore used to be a department Store back in the 50s.

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Some say the bold street time slips are urban legends, and some of the accounts, like Frank's probably are.

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But that doesn't change the fact that so many people claim it's happened to them too.

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Okay, so let's assume for a moment that some or all of these claims are real. How could time slips theoretically happen? Some experts say there is a rational explanation and it doesn't involve physics. It has to do with psychology, meaning.

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People who witness these events believe they're.

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Real, but they're actually experiencing tricks of the mind. Dr. Kieran O', Keefe, a professor and investigative parapsychologist, says time slips can be explained through natural errors in thinking. Situations like tiredness or conflating daydreams with reality could provide a rational explanation for what seemed to be time. Time slips or cognitive bias could be to blame.

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Dr. O' Keefe says you might see.

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A woman randomly wearing a period costume. She appears out of place, so your.

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Brain starts looking for other details that.

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Seem out of place. It doesn't necessarily mean that you time traveled. No matter what you think about the.

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Credibility of these time slipping claims, the fact is there's so much we don't.

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Know about the nature of time and how it works. We can't say for certain that time.

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Travel isn't possible or that it will never be possible.

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Scientists can already explain hypothetical time travel to the future. Right now, we are moving forward in time at the rate of 1 second per second.

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According to Einstein's theory of relativity, that rate can change based on extreme gravity.

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Or very high speeds.

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This effect is known as time dilation, where time itself can effectively stretch or.

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Slow down for an observer under the right conditions. You might have seen it in sci fi movies like Interstellar or Flight of the Navigator.

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But for time dilation to cause a.

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Significant difference, you'd have to be going really, really fast, close to the speed of light, or experience a dangerously strong gravitational field. And it seems safe to say that's not what happened in the time slip cases we're discussing. To explain those cases, we have to turn to some time travel theories that are still unproven, like the closed time like curve. In this hypothetical situation, gravity causes a.

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Part of spacetime to curve so much that it loops in on itself. It would allow you to move forward in time as usual, but end up.

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Somewhere in the past. Another theory suggests there are wormholes, essentially shortcuts from one point in space time to another. But there are major roadblocks to time travel that make it unlikely even if.

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We could stabilize a wormhole, a human.

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Body almost certainly could not move through it because it would be way too small. Stephen Hawking knew these scenarios all rely on our current understanding of gravity as described by Einstein's theory of General relativity.

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Basically, high concentrations of mass and energy cause spacetime to curve, and that's how we get gravity. But Hawking also knew that science changes.

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With new breakthroughs, and our understanding of.

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These concepts could evolve.

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That's why he threw the Time Traveler's Party, the one where nobody showed up. Discover magazine offers some takeaways from Hawking's experiment.

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Maybe it does mean that we never figure out how to time travel intentionally.

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To a specific year.

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Or maybe we do.

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But time travel to the past is heavily regulated by some future government agency.

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It might even be prohibited because it.

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Can result in dangerous paradoxes and other timeline changes. The time slipping cases we've covered today offer another theory.

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Perhaps we can only time travel when.

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And if the universe dictates it. Thank you for watching Conspiracy Theories.

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We're here with a new episode every Wednesday.

[Carter Roy]

Be sure to check us out on instagram @the conspiracypod. If you're watching on Spotify, swipe up and give us your thoughts. Amongst the many sources we used, we found Moberly and Jourdain's An Adventure, Victor Goddard's Flight Towards Reality, and Mike Dash's.

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Article When Three British Boys Traveled to Medieval England.

[Carter Roy]

Or Did They For Smithsonian Magazine. Extremely helpful to our research. Until next time, remember, the truth isn't always the best story, and the official story isn't always the truth. This episode was researched and written by Miki Taylor, edited by Connor Sampson, engineered by Sam Amezquah, and video edited and sound designed by Ryan Contra. Special thanks to Nick Johnson, Penn Paige Ransberry, Andrew Byrne, and Jonathan Ratliff. I'm your host, Carter Roy. Ever spend all day fishing and catch nothing? That's what happens to hackers when Cisco Duo's on watch. Every login, every device, every user protected. Cisco Duo Fish season is over.

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