Your Biggest Hot Take feat T-Pain - Episode 211

Summary

Crash Dummies Podcast with Pat and Mike
Episode: Your Biggest Hot Take feat T-Pain - Episode 211
Release Date: June 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In Episode 211 of the Crash Dummies Podcast, hosts Patrick Johnson and Michael Esiobu welcome special guest T-Pain to discuss a multitude of topics ranging from his musical journey and the evolution of Auto-Tune to his perspectives on the modern music industry and celebrity culture. The episode blends insightful conversations with humorous banter, providing listeners with both depth and entertainment.

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Introduction and Special Guest

The episode kicks off with an energetic atmosphere as the hosts welcome T-Pain amidst a rave setting. The casual and spontaneous introduction sets the tone for an unfiltered and engaging discussion.

[02:24] Unknown Guest: "What's good chat?"

[02:28] T-Pain: "Yo, we are here at the rave with Mr. Hold on. We're gonna let him get his coffee in real quick."

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T-Pain's Early Musical Journey and Auto-Tune Discovery

T-Pain delves into his early experiences with music production, highlighting the challenges and breakthroughs that shaped his signature sound.

[14:11] T-Pain: "I went on a two-year journey. It took me two years to find Auto-Tune. And the second I found it, it was like I just lifted up in there."

He recounts how discovering Auto-Tune was a pivotal moment, influencing his musical style and contributing to his distinctive vocal effects.

[15:09] T-Pain: "I didn’t know what it was called. So I was looking for anything that could be like vox or vocal change or something. I was just looking for anything."

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Thoughts on Music Sampling and Collaboration

The conversation shifts to the topic of sampling in music, with T-Pain sharing his stance on allowing other artists to use his work.

[25:12] Unknown Guest: "You have let someone argue."

[25:13] Mr. Torturer: "Have they not done well? Jesus Christ. Exactly."

[25:43] T-Pain: "What's your biggest hot take?"

[25:20] Mr. Torturer: "I have let people sample my songs. But once Tory Lanez did the 'Jerry Sprunger,' everybody was like, 'Oh, T-Pain letting people sample the chat. Let's do it.' And then it's just back to back, back to back."

T-Pain emphasizes the importance of maintaining the quality and integrity of his music when it comes to collaborations and samples.

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Views on Album Promotion and the Music Industry

T-Pain expresses his evolving perspective on album releases versus single drops, critiquing the traditional album promotion process.

[27:02] Mr. Torturer: "I don't want to. The thing is, the album process is not my favorite anymore. I will drop singles."

[29:22] Unknown Guest: "I know you don't want to do it. I feel like you would do super well, because it's just..."

[30:18] Mr. Torturer: "The album sequence of releasing an album. I don't. I don't. I will drop singles. I'm not gonna promote it."

He highlights the mental and emotional toll that traditional album promotions can take, opting instead for a more streamlined approach with singles.

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Discussion on Lil Wayne's Latest Album and Production Choices

The hosts critique Lil Wayne's recent album, discussing production decisions and the use of AI in music creation.

[20:15] Mr. Torturer: "Lil Wayne can rap on a bunch of frogs croaking and it'll still be amazing."

[21:22] Mr. Torturer: "Lil Wayne is still one of the best rappers of all time, and there were just some decisions that were made that..."

[23:57] T-Pain: "I think also it was the title of the album as well. It being a Carter."

The conversation explores how production choices and title selections impact the reception of an album, using Lil Wayne's "Carter" series as a reference point.

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Celeb Culture and Its Impact

T-Pain and the hosts delve into the concept of celebrity culture, debating its necessity and the effects it has on both artists and the public.

[53:22] Mr. Torturer: "Celebrity shouldn't exist. There’s so many people better than that’s famous."

[55:23] Mr. Torturer: "I was always like, man, wow. People like this around these people... This shouldn't not be possible."

T-Pain reflects on the artificial elevation of certain individuals within the entertainment industry, questioning the underlying mechanisms that grant them fame.

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Listener Caller Segment: Hot Takes on Fashion and Relationships

In the latter half of the episode, the hosts engage with listeners, sharing humorous and candid "hot takes" on various topics.

[44:40] Mr. Torturer: "It's like a big ass sometimes. I don't."

[45:00] T-Pain: "Can you guess who our special guest is by his voice?"

[53:20] Mr. Torturer: "Celebrity shouldn't exist. Too many people... commenting on IG posts..."

The segment covers discussions on fashion choices like ankle socks, relationship anecdotes, and playful debates on personal preferences, adding a lighthearted element to the episode.

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Memorable Quotes

• T-Pain on Auto-Tune Discovery:
  [14:11] "It took me two years to find Auto-Tune. And the second I found it, it was like I just lifted up in there."

• Mr. Torturer on Album Promotion:
  [27:02] "I will drop singles. I'm not gonna promote it."

• Discussion on Celebrity Culture:
  [53:22] "Celebrity shouldn't exist. There’s so many people better than that’s famous."

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Conclusion

Episode 211 of the Crash Dummies Podcast offers a deep dive into T-Pain's experiences and viewpoints, wrapped in the hosts' signature blend of humor and candidness. From the intricacies of music production to broader societal critiques, the episode provides a comprehensive look at the challenges and thoughts of a seasoned artist navigating the ever-evolving landscape of the music industry.

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Note: This summary intentionally excludes advertisement segments, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the meaningful discussions and insights shared during the episode.

Transcript

[T-Pain]

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[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[Mr. Torturer]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[T-Pain]

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[Unknown Guest]

Just get used to 211.

[T-Pain]

Let's just call it 211.

[Unknown Guest]

This is crazy.

[T-Pain]

We are shooting at the rave for a special reason.

[Unknown Guest]

A very special. Y' all gonna be very surprised. No forewarning.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Of what was gonna happen. So your mind about to be blown.

[T-Pain]

All right, all right. We actually have a special guest. He can just walk in. I'm not even gonna intro him. I don't think. I don't think any. I don't think he needs an introduction.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no, no.

[Unknown Guest]

I like the. I like the shock factor.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Oh, God.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, see, I told y' all Mind blown, right?

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, the pep R wanted to Papa John thing. Don't do that, by the way, if you're not ready for it.

[T-Pain]

Oh. You might have to go. Okay.

[Mr. Torturer]

All right.

[T-Pain]

We're good.

[Mr. Torturer]

We're good.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, yeah. We all good.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

What's good chat?

[T-Pain]

Yo, we are here at the rave with Mr. Hold on. We're gonna let him get his coffee in real quick.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay.

[T-Pain]

Oh, damn.

[Unknown Guest]

It was actually a pepper.

[T-Pain]

That was. That was actually a pepper.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah. That was a lot going on.

[T-Pain]

What up? What up?

[Mr. Torturer]

Y' all been cooking, bro.

[Unknown Guest]

Appreciate taking some time, man.

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't have any time. It's in between the times.

[Unknown Guest]

No, no, that's. That's fire.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's fire. But the good news is y' all are part of the time, so this. It's cool now. You know what I'm saying?

[Unknown Guest]

We appreciate it. How. How do you like Wisconsin? You like Milwaukee?

[Mr. Torturer]

I haven't been around it a lot. I've only been. I've only been to, like, four buildings.

[Unknown Guest]

If you can rate those four buildings.

[T-Pain]

You'Re actually going to a different part this time.

[Mr. Torturer]

Well, one of them was the. Was the. One of them was the. The People Eater Hotel. So that was. That was pretty cool.

[Unknown Guest]

What do they call the People Eater?

[Mr. Torturer]

So that was the first building I ever, like, stayed at at all. So that was. That was pretty cool. Actually stayed two rooms down from where the. Where the stuff happened, so that was pretty cool. I don't know if they, like.

[T-Pain]

Did you put your, like, ear on the door and to see.

[Unknown Guest]

I don't.

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't want to get haunted crazy like that. You know what I mean? But, no, it was actually. It was pretty cool. So there's obviously, you know, the Rave Eagles Club and stuff like that. And we went to. We had to go to City hall to, like, get permits and stuff.

[T-Pain]

Yeah. Because I know you guys are doing the race in the. The car show in Elkhart Lake. Yeah, we got some Road America.

[Unknown Guest]

We got some ties in Oakheart Lake.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah.

[T-Pain]

We went to school out there. Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Oh, shut up.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Oh, no.

[Unknown Guest]

That's why we were so shocked. Like, what you doing out there?

[Mr. Torturer]

I mean, we didn't, like. We wasn't trying to go out there. You know, we were trying to. We were trying to, you know, do our thing with the Millwalk Mild. And they were like, look, you know, we don't want. We don't.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, we get it.

[Mr. Torturer]

We don't want the gangs. We don't want that. We don't want the violence. Like, we. We've been holding this event for four years in a row. We haven't had that. So how come now that we go to your venue, that it's going to be that. So. Yeah, nobody could explain it. It's totally fine. We found another venue. Road America. Like, you, you, you, y' all. You already know, man.

[Unknown Guest]

Let me tell you something about Elkhart Lake that's unique.

[T-Pain]

On.

[Unknown Guest]

On the 4th of July, one dude goes out into the middle of Elkhart Lake with a bunch of fireworks and pop fireworks, and the whole town watched the dude.

[Mr. Torturer]

One dude?

[T-Pain]

Yes, one dude.

[Unknown Guest]

He rolled out there by his jack. He worked.

[Mr. Torturer]

I used to be that guy. And I used to be that guy in my. And where I live now. But then I also, you know, not to sound like a piece of, but I live in a. I live in a pretty rich area. And we all. They started making like a bulletin board of who's spinning the most at the fireworks place. Oh. So the first year that it. That they started recording it, one person spent like three grand on fireworks. It sounds like a lot. It's not until you figure out like, one of the grands is like a Boys to men finale. Firework. You don't know. You don't know until you. And then you see it and you're like, that's what that was. And then you're like, all right, I'mma spend five grand. And then. Then everybody in the area starts.

[T-Pain]

So it's a competition who can spend the most money?

[Mr. Torturer]

It's. It's just who can have the better show.

[Unknown Guest]

Right.

[Mr. Torturer]

Because if you spend the most money and your show was whack, you know.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, you know, the boys to man.

[Mr. Torturer]

Fireworks, it was not good.

[T-Pain]

There might be more pressure on you to have the better light show, though.

[Mr. Torturer]

If I start basing all my fireworks off of R B artists, then yeah, I'm doing that. But all white fireworks. I don't know. I don't want my. My fireworks to be based off of 90s R. So.

[Unknown Guest]

So earlier we was talking about the. The thing that we did when we were broke that we shouldn't have done.

[Mr. Torturer]

Oh.

[Unknown Guest]

So mine was because I. Because I obviously I recently heard like, your journey. So I was like, oh, let me. Before I ask him that, let me make sure I have, like, my story.

[Mr. Torturer]

So I would love to hear your shouldn't have done it.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay. My shouldn't have done it was.

[Mr. Torturer]

I know this is going to involve condoms.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Always involved for some reason. So mine was like, I knew how much I made a month. It was like I was working like a small job after college. I was making 2,200amonth in college.

[Mr. Torturer]

You kept up with your finances?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, a little bit. We. We could talk about some loans that, you know, they might be looking at me now like, yeah, where that money?

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay, I got you rent a center, Blockbuster. There's a lot going on.

[Unknown Guest]

You're not that TV stand back. Good TV stand. But so I knew I made $2,200 and a month. I had a car. I had a car a month. I had a car.

[Mr. Torturer]

This grew up in the 60s.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, that's a lot of money in college.

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, you had $2,200 a month.

[Unknown Guest]

But I had a thousand dollar car note.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

But no, listen, listen. I had it down perfect with groceries, Cardinal rent, that I had $75 left at the end every month. And I was pretty disciplined. Like nothing could possibly happen to me. My school was like on campus. Like, you know, we didn't have to leave the campus. They had everything. And then I randomly was in a restaurant picking up my little daily wings that I get, you know, budgeting and something like that.

[Mr. Torturer]

By restaurant you mean publix? Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

And a woman came up to me and was just like, hey, you want to get a bite to eat? And that was my first time ever seeing $75 go super fast.

[Mr. Torturer]

So a woman walked up to you and was like, you want to spend the rest of that money?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

And you was like, yeah, absolutely.

[Unknown Guest]

It's like being at the strip Club with 301s. They. They own you.

[T-Pain]

I've actually walked into club strip Club with 301s and left with 301s.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I did too.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's what I'm just. Yeah, yeah. This is what I'm just saying. So you can't say it's like walking in there with 301.

[T-Pain]

Cause you still gotta make a decision when you're there.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's all about. It's all about the decision. Decisions you make. You can, it's. It, it don't matter how much money you have. It's about the decisions you make with that. With that money.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

And you can, you can do so many different things. So you had $75. And one person was like, you want to spend that? And you were like, yes.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Now, now. What went into the other decisions that was like, yeah, I'll. I'll spend the $75. Leg was.

[Unknown Guest]

It was, it was a 12. It wasn't the end of the month. I had no alert system. You know, you get to the end of the month.

[Mr. Torturer]

But here, but here's what I'm saying. You knew what was coming. You knew everything was paid. You knew exactly how much money you had left. And he was like, this will last me for however long. And you were still like, nope.

[T-Pain]

And where'd you go for the restaurant?

[Unknown Guest]

Huh?

[T-Pain]

Where'd you go for the restaurant? Because I know where we live. Where are you at school at. There's not that many expensive place. 75 for a meal. For two.

[Unknown Guest]

Drinking at that chili. So did it.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay, okay. Did it result in anything?

[Unknown Guest]

Huh?

[Mr. Torturer]

Huh? Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. I end up dating a girl. So it ended up being like, okay, but you.

[Mr. Torturer]

She spent the rest of your 75.

[Unknown Guest]

We spent her money for the rest of the month.

[Mr. Torturer]

See the crazy thing, see the crazy thing about me, like, when I first, like started making music, I wasn't doing anything like huge. But my wife, now my girlfriend then she was sending me her checks. She was sending me her check. So if I, like when my power cut off, like, my power was always off. My dad never paid our bills. Everything, like, my power was always off. So my wife now would, when she was in the Air Force, she would get her check, she would buy her a few snacks, and then she would send me the rest of her check to keep my studio on so I can rent out my studio and get more money to pay the light bill, which would then be late again. And then she would have. It's just the cycle. The cycle was crazy. But she would always believe that something would come out of her giving me the rest of her check.

[Unknown Guest]

She believed in you from the get go.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm not sure of that. I could have been. I'm not sure if she believed in actual music or I was slanging amazing dick.

[T-Pain]

Do you think crazy, like looking back at it, obviously it's like your first, you know, the first time in the, in the studio, like, do you listen back to your old stuff?

[Mr. Torturer]

So this was, so this was my studio. This was my studio in my bedroom. Got it in my dad's house. So the only reason I would, the only way I could make music at all. So the only reason, the only way I can make music at all is if my power was on, which it was never. So the only reason, the only way I could get my power back on is if she would send me her check. So it wasn't. So I did go back and listen to like a lot of the old stuff and 100, I would not find not one thing, not one cent of that. God damn, I'm trash.

[T-Pain]

You know, like, for some artists, like, when did you get that belief then in yourself that you okay, I can actually do this? Like, it's obviously your first couple songs might have not been the greatest, looking back at it.

[Mr. Torturer]

So the thing was, it wasn't the greatest to me. Yeah, I, I knew it was the greatest. It wasn't the greatest to anybody, but it wasn't the greatest to me. I wanted it to be better, but I knew it was better than what I heard on Got It Right.

[Unknown Guest]

That's your motivation, you know what I'm saying?

[Mr. Torturer]

So that was my motivation to where it was like, I Know I'm doing something right. And me and my brother. Me and my older brother used to get into fights all the time. My dad. And I used to go to my dad, like, rashid's making fun of me because I'm singing a song the way I think it should go. Like, when we hear songs on the radio, I would sing it a different way. And he was like, you don't even know the song. And I'm like, I know the song, but I'm telling you how I think it should sound. And this is me at like 8 years old. You know what I'm saying? So when we get past all that and my dad is like, maybe we should. We should probably look into this.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

And he looked into it and he was just like, okay, kids like this are doing this. And then one day, an army commercial came on. An army commercial came on, and I harmonized with the army commercial in the room with my dad, and he was like, how'd you know how to do that? I was just like, that's just. I just thought. I thought that's how songs are supposed to sound. He was like, all right, cool. I'm. We going to the store tomorrow, buy you some equipment. We're gonna figure out what's going on with this. We're gonna figure this out.

[Unknown Guest]

How old were you?

[Mr. Torturer]

This was. I was 10.

[T-Pain]

Oh, damn.

[Unknown Guest]

This real Joe Jackson type stuff.

[Mr. Torturer]

My mom didn't with it. My mom was like, stop spending money on this. So my dad. My dad spent the money on me. We went, you know, we went into a. It's called music exchange. It was like, you know, people that brought in their music equipment that was trying to like, sell it to, you know, get like. Like co sign stuff, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, he bought like some. Some secondhand stuff and. And, you know, it turned out that I was actually kind of good at this. So, you know.

[T-Pain]

Yeah. Do you realize that you had a whole generation, especially my generation, singing into fans to sound like you? Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah. One, because I was one of the people singing fans. Yeah. I was singing into fans and I was like, how do I make this sound? How do I get this? And I went on a two year journey. It took me two years to find auto tunnel.

[T-Pain]

Oh, wow.

[Mr. Torturer]

Two years. Everybody else knew I got in the game in 2005. Auto tune was invented in 1997. And I didn't know what it was called. So I was. I was on my computer looking for anything that could be like vox or vocal or vocal. Change or vocal, something. It was. I was just looking for anything. It took me two years to find Auto tune. And the second I found it, it was like I just lift up in there. Yes, I found it because it was after the dark child remix of. Of the Jennifer Lopez song if you have my love. And it's funny. And then that one part. That one part had Auto tune on it. It was just that one part. And I was like, oh, how do I sound like that?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, so you was looking into music in a totally different way than everybody else.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, this was on one of them. One of them CDs. I don't know if it how old you niggas are, but this is on one of them CDs. It was like one of them now. Like, now that's what I call music type shit. But it was one of them, like the commercials used to play all the time, and it was just song after song after song. But when that one came on, I was like, man, I wonder what that would sound like with a whole song. And I never got to find out until two years later where I actually found that sound. And I was like, oh, it's over.

[Unknown Guest]

I want to thank you for two things that you helped me with in middle school and high school. 1. 1, the I'm sprung song playing, playing in the background when I call a girl for the first time was so fire to me. That's what I used to play.

[Mr. Torturer]

Ah, Sprung. How you made your voicemail. Yeah, the answer machine. Answer machine is outsprung.

[T-Pain]

Oh, you wear the ringtone there.

[Unknown Guest]

And then it was. Then the second one, there was a song that I used to sing that nobody knew that was yours, but I used to pretend was mine.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay, well, this is. Okay, this is interesting. Let's dive into this, okay?

[Unknown Guest]

And I got away with it for so long because I had a CD of yours.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

And it go. They make me feel so joyous.

[Mr. Torturer]

Keep going. You went deep. Crap. Oh, my God. You were singing that song with nothing to sing it about. You didn't turn the song into something about ass. That was about my kids. Really? That's what I was about, my kids. You didn't turn into. You didn't got off the song. That's crazy. No, but that. You know what? And that was one of the songs that took me a while to do. It didn't take me a while to do, but it. It took a while to get accepted from, like, my team, my managers and everything like that. And it was like, you sure you want to do a song with no auto tune. That's kind of your sound. And I was like, it's about my kids, man. This ain't about, like, the sound. I, I would, I, I'd rather sound terrible on a song about my kids than try to make a song sound perfect and fake about something I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was such a, it was such a pivot for me that people didn't pay attention to it. And I was kind of, I was kind of okay with that. I was kind of okay because it wasn't. I wasn't the best at my voice at the time. So I was like, thank God nobody actually heard it. But I did want to get it out of my system. And it reached my kids and my kids know the song and they listen to it still. To this day, my kids still listen to that song. And also. Glad you got some pussy off of it.

[Unknown Guest]

I call it my Mariana Rivera. It was my closer. I don't know if we should be doing this. They make me feel so joyous.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's about titties. That's about titties. That's about titties.

[T-Pain]

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[T-Pain]

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[T-Pain]

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[T-Pain]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[T-Pain]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[Mr. Torturer]

Come on.

[T-Pain]

So I saw you recently tweet about because Lil Wayne dropped an album, and it's probably not being the most received while on Twitter.

[Mr. Torturer]

It is not the most recent.

[T-Pain]

And I saw you talking about how this makes you not want to kind of like drop new music.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's not even that, man. But it wasn't Wayne's album that made me think that I. First of all, Wayne was rapping his ass off on that entire album. Wayne went crazy on that whole thing. Obviously there was a. A mishap or a misstep on, you know, picking the production and stuff like that, but, you know, once you get into a comfortable state and your engineers start making beats and he's like, yo, I got beats. And you're like, oh, yeah, why are we looking?

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I mean? Like, why would we look anywhere else? Absolutely. Load that up. Let me rap. Wayne gonna rap regardless. It don't matter what it is. Wayne can rap on a bunch of frogs croaking and it'll still be amazing.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? So the fact that he got comfortable, you know, with the music that he was presented with because it was available to him right then. And you know, he used, like, he used AI on the intro and stuff like that. And you know, Wayne being Wayne, like, Wayne don't look outside of where he is.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

So it's like, like when you use AI, he don't know how much that's going to be frowned upon and stuff like that or what, you know, what the stigma is on AI right now. So when you look at it from Wayne's perspective. This is a great album.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I mean? But when you look at it from people that's been waiting on Wayne, it's a different perspective because Wayne's heard everything that he's done. Now, keep in mind, I talked to Wayne's manager yesterday, and he's like, Wayne had 60 other records, I bet 60 other records to pick from. He's like, look, that's. That's the palette that Wayne wanted to lay. We put it out. Maybe not here's the thing, but here's what I'm saying. If everybody feels like Wayne was rapping his ass off and he just needed better beats, I told them, let other producers do it.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Mr. Torturer]

Let other producers do it.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

There's no harm in putting Wayne acapellas out. Remember when that'd be fire? What? Jay Z? What? Jay Z. There was a Jay Z album that put out all the instrumentals, right. And he just let people rap on. It's like, you feel like you could do better than Jay on this.

[Unknown Guest]

Only that's what I feel like it was more of because Wayne seems like the type to be like, there's not many people that can rap on this beat, so I'm gonna make a record and put out it on this beat.

[Mr. Torturer]

He was showing acrobatics, I think showing acrobatics. And not a lot of people can keep up with that.

[Unknown Guest]

But that's how you got. I feel like that's how he became one of the greatest of all time.

[Mr. Torturer]

Correct.

[Unknown Guest]

Is rapping differently than anybody else, trying.

[Mr. Torturer]

To beat people to the punch. But now the formula to everybody winning right now is to do the same thing as everybody else.

[Unknown Guest]

That's true.

[Mr. Torturer]

You can't. You can't venture off. No, you can't venture off. But, you know, again, those beats were available to him at the time. And shout out. To shout out to his engineer, because it was an engineer that produced a lot of those things. And when you get that close niche relationship. Cool. Like, that's, you know, hey, what you got on your computer before I go looking outside of the studio?

[Unknown Guest]

Right? Yes, very true.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you're always going to do that and you're not going to go off of. Well, this beat outside of us is better than this. You're going to go with whatever the best is right here. What you presented me with. You know what I'm saying? And that may not be the best decision because you're in a bubble, but Wayne is Wayne Wayne gonna rap his ass off. Wayne is still one of the best rappers of all time, and there were just some decisions that were made that.

[T-Pain]

I think also it was the. The title of the album as well. It being a Carter. I think it.

[Mr. Torturer]

A Carter.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's so much pressure.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

They called me for it. They called me for it. They called me for the Carter. And when they were like, hey, hey, we're about to drop the Carter. Can you provide us something? Absolutely not. No. Yeah, I will not do that.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay. My question for you is because I want to say you were probably the most rumored person I've ever seen in so many joint albums. T. Pain doing a joint album with him. T. Pain doing a joint album with Barack Obama.

[T-Pain]

That was kind of fire, though.

[Unknown Guest]

Obama.

[Mr. Torturer]

Fellow Americans. T Pain's about to.

[T-Pain]

He just do the intro.

[Mr. Torturer]

Hot. All over your faces. Maybe, you know, maybe all over your grandma, you know, I'll take this time to say T. Pain maybe the best. So many people try to copy. Not so many have succeeded and suck my balls.

[Unknown Guest]

In this day and age. So there's so many samples coming out. Like, there's so many, like, songs being revamped into more drill songs. Like, you'll see. Would you let someone.

[Mr. Torturer]

I have let.

[Unknown Guest]

You have let someone argue.

[Mr. Torturer]

Have they not done well? Jesus Christ. Exactly. Yeah.

[T-Pain]

I was like, which one?

[Mr. Torturer]

You answered your own question. I've let people sample my songs. I've let people do their things. But, you know, once. Once Tory Lanez did the Jerry Sprunger, everybody was like, oh, T. Pain letting people sample the chat. Let's do it. And then it's just back to back to back to back. And I'm like, all right. You go, nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[Unknown Guest]

And then that bar was set way too high.

[Mr. Torturer]

But it was like.

[Unknown Guest]

But it was crazy.

[Mr. Torturer]

But the thing was, I didn't do anything. Like, I didn't charge anybody anything. You know, I didn't charge. I didn't charge Tori for. For Jerry's bunger.

[T-Pain]

Oh, damn.

[Mr. Torturer]

I didn't. I don't charge people for, like. Like, using something that's already making me money. Why would I. I'm already making the money.

[Unknown Guest]

Right?

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? Like, so it. It's not a. It's not a priority for me. Oh. This person said, like, even Fabio. Fabio was on some. Let me. Let me get. Go ahead. Go ahead. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[Unknown Guest]

That the bar was way too high, though. That the first song that I'm sprung was probably, like, one of. It's a signature song. For you. And then, like, for you also to do, like, be on the remix and then still be firing.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's the thing I don't fuck with.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

If you sample it, do your thing. You want me to be a part of it. Okay. Now it's different. Yeah.

[T-Pain]

That's when it's not free anymore.

[Mr. Torturer]

Do you think Run with it. Great song. I sample stuff all the time. Fantastic. Who hasn't taken the drums from the front of. You don't have to call us. Your shit. Like, everybody got Pharrell drums. He left it open, bro. Absolutely. To take that. But you want me to be a part of it now. Now it's not for anymore.

[T-Pain]

So do you have any plans on a new album?

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't want to.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't want to. The thing. The. You know what's crazy? That this whole segue is. Is crazy. Because I've said that I don't want to do the album sequence anymore. Because anytime when we release singles.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Get it. Here you go. Single. You Bam, bam, bam. Single. Totally fine.

[Unknown Guest]

Somebody just dropped to their knees hearing you say album.

[Mr. Torturer]

I gotta go to New York. I gotta go to la. I gotta talk to big boy. I gotta talk to. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So it's gotta. It's this whole. The album sequence of releasing an album. I don't. With that anymore. I don't feel like convincing people that my album is good.

[T-Pain]

Right.

[Mr. Torturer]

You gotta do this whole run. You know what I'm saying? Like, the. The crowds and like, you gotta go. You gotta talk, talk. You gotta talk to everybody to convince. And it's not like an organic thing that's like, yeah, I want to talk to these. It's like I need to go on there and tell people that my album is good. Yeah.

[T-Pain]

And then I think it's judged differently too, on the Internet because, you know, like, you'll have people like academics maybe say, sold 20, 20 units, and everybody's.

[Unknown Guest]

Gonna say, flop, flop, flop.

[Mr. Torturer]

To put all this work in for months on hand and then have somebody judge everything you've done in a year in one day, in a Friday. It's crazy. Crazy to have everybody say, yeah, all that you did didn't do as much as this other person. So you. You suck. Your album sucks because not enough people bought your. In a week.

[T-Pain]

I feel it.

[Mr. Torturer]

Damn. And then if nobody buys her shit in a week, then you get nominated for some shit, and then you get to sit in a whole room of your 40,000 square foot room of all your peers that do the same thing. And all of them people say, nope, your shit suck, bro. All my friends think it too. It's not just because when you. When you hear from the outside, you're like, y' all don't know music. I know music. I'm a musician. This is what we do. Boom, boom, boom. And then other musicians are like, no, no, no, no. That's a sucked. We didn't. We didn't like it either. And it's just like, damn, why y' all didn't nominate me for this? No, we didn't. No, we didn't like it either. We're. We're musicians as well, and we didn't like it either.

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like, damn, I know you don't want to do it. I feel like you would do super well, because it's just.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's the process of trying to convince people that it'll do well.

[Unknown Guest]

I got you.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? To go to all these different radio stations. You got to go to a radio station in Wichita to tell people, hey, please. Please listen to this thing I've been working on for two years. Like, n. Not going through all that. I'll drop. Like, okay, I would. Now, I'm not saying that I'm gonna stop making music, but album. The album process is not my favorite anymore. I will drop singles. I will drop albums. I'm not gonna promote it. I'm not gonna sit here and try to convince you. If you want to hear it, I'll tell you where to go get it. Yeah, but I'm not doing the process.

[Unknown Guest]

Of showing up at the Breakfast Club.

[Mr. Torturer]

Come on, bro. I'm not done. Me and Charlemagne and had our quarrels already. We done did our things already. And. And we have respect for each other now. We know that. We respect the game, but we know that it's not worth it.

[Unknown Guest]

Right.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? The. The. The. Like I said on my post, the energy that is put into being the first meme about an album is not worth the energy it takes to make a dope album.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, Right.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's not. It's just not worth it. We've done years and years and years of this work, and then your album could be shut down by one meme, and it's just. That's just what it is. And I'm not willing. I'm not willing to put my mental health at risk for that. I'm at such a great place, bro. My. My team is great over Here we having Wisconsin Fest. You know what I'm saying? The dummies are here. My. My wife, my baby mama, and my girlfriend get along. We are okay. Like, we are okay. I'm actually in a good place. I don't want to. Goddamn. I don't want to. I don't want to.

[Unknown Guest]

You did mention us, though.

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't want to get out of that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm in a good place, and I don't want anything to jeopardize that. And the second that you put the power in the public's hands, you jeopardize all of that shit.

[Unknown Guest]

That's why I used to feel bad for Roddy Ric. She went, like, live on Twitter one day, like, playing some music, and, like, the fans literally just got in there just to troll them.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's what it is, though. Like, the way. The way my algorithm. I don't even know why my algorithm is like this. I think I watched, like, two videos on fucking YouTube, but now when I go to my homepage on YouTube, it's just, like, the rise and fall of such.

[T-Pain]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

How this person lost all his fans in one day. What the hell happened since this person. Yeah, like. Like, I don't want to be one of them videos. The thing. The one thing I learned from Drake, and here's the crazy thing. One thing I learned from Drake, but one thing. He hasn't followed his own words. Drake said, I want to be one of them people that gracefully bow out and not get kicked out.

[T-Pain]

Out.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, I. I have. I have ever since said thank you. I appreciate y' all. I'll see y' all. I'll see y' all when I drop. Don't worry about it. I'll just drop something.

[T-Pain]

Let me.

[Mr. Torturer]

Let me know if you heard it. Drake is like, no, listen. Okay, I got another one. Hold.

[T-Pain]

Check this out.

[Mr. Torturer]

Check this out. Y' all didn't like that one? Okay, real quick, just one more. Let me try one more. And then he's the person that he said, you know, he didn't want to be. And I learned that from him. Like, when he said that I want to gracefully bow out and not get kicked out, I was like, you know what? I'm out.

[T-Pain]

This is just live shows now.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm out. This. I'm not trying to impress y' all. Y' all don't give a if I live or die. Why the would I keep trying to impress y' all? Nigga, I'm out. I'm done. I did Everything that I was trying to do, I changed the game. I made a sound. What else? What else?

[Unknown Guest]

You literally can't. You. It's only. Even if you make a hit today, it won't even.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's just normal. Yes, it's just normal. It's like. Yeah, that's. Okay.

[T-Pain]

Well, we're gonna get into our listener caller segment now.

[Mr. Torturer]

I love that.

[T-Pain]

Before we do that, we'd like to take an energy shot.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah. Energy shot.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Mike loves to take random liquid.

[T-Pain]

That's crazy to say. Random liquids.

[Unknown Guest]

They literally call you.

[Mr. Torturer]

That was actually crazy, Mike X.

[Unknown Guest]

There you go.

[Mr. Torturer]

That was actually crazy.

[T-Pain]

That's so crazy.

[Mr. Torturer]

Now we got. We got. Damn. That is crazy.

[T-Pain]

Random.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, Nah, that's. That's crazy. We got the orange vanilla vortex. Yeah, yeah, we got the orange vanilla vortex.

[Unknown Guest]

Orange vanilla vortex of the good game.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what? Y' all can have that one. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. We don't want people to do because it's so good people to do a whole energy drinks and then come back for another. Another one, like, immediately. And then you run into that Starbucks when they did that energized lemonade, and everybody just kept getting them. It was like my heart exploded. Don't do that. Do half.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, half. Okay.

[T-Pain]

I'm an energy drink fiend, though.

[Mr. Torturer]

And you can. And this is enough.

[T-Pain]

It is.

[Mr. Torturer]

And this is enough. You do half of it in your drink, and you're good. And it doesn't matter what you're drinking. Vodka.

[T-Pain]

Oh, I can mix it with this.

[Mr. Torturer]

You can. You. You hit it with that. Hit it with half of that. That. And you got it. That wasn't half.

[Unknown Guest]

But you see how you dropped it in there?

[Mr. Torturer]

It was the exact motion that I did. I totally understand. You did. That's too much. No, no, no. You're not gonna die, but you're gonna be wired.

[Unknown Guest]

Now let's. Oh. Beforehand. Let's warn you, like, some of our callers, they don't have it all, so we're.

[Mr. Torturer]

Oh, no, I know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Y' all don't around about me. I. I watch the.

[T-Pain]

Okay.

[Mr. Torturer]

You know what I'm saying? I know what's going on. It took me a while to get back to y' all, but that was because I was trying to see what y' all was gonna do about it.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay.

[Mr. Torturer]

There'S this one kid. There's this one kid that's, like, dancing in his car until he meets me, and he's on, like, day 97. And he thinks I'm gonna, like. He thinks I'm gonna stop him. Like, bro, you're dancing. You're dancing to my music in your car for 97 days. You're crazy. I'm literally avoiding to not meet him so he can keep dancing to my music.

[Unknown Guest]

You got to give him a number now. Let's give him a number.

[Mr. Torturer]

130 out.

[T-Pain]

Think about it.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah. One. 130. 130. 130.

[T-Pain]

What day is he on?

[Mr. Torturer]

He's on 90. Gotta be 130.

[T-Pain]

No, no, 130 is too little.

[Mr. Torturer]

130 I'll get in the car.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, okay.

[Mr. Torturer]

130. I'll get in the car. 100.

[Unknown Guest]

You gotta be careful getting in the.

[Mr. Torturer]

Car with somebody that's dancing for you. He's the only person. He looks like a. An idiot. D. He's windows down, my song blasting. He's going crazy.

[T-Pain]

Different song every time.

[Mr. Torturer]

Different song every time. Crazy. I got 500 songs. He's got a lot to go. 1:30. I'll get in the car with him and dance with him.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, Back, back, back. Hey, you heard that here first.

[T-Pain]

130. Little man.

[Unknown Guest]

Yo, what's the deal? Yo.

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, what's up?

[Unknown Guest]

How you doing?

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, you know, out here at work. Let me. First of all, happy. Yes, I'm at work.

[T-Pain]

First of all.

[Mr. Torturer]

First of all, happy early Juneteenth.

[T-Pain]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Unknown Guest]

What is he?

[T-Pain]

Second of all?

[Mr. Torturer]

Second of all, shout out to the nation. Okay, okay. Of Islam. Third of all, the audio listening.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay. Yeah. You dig grind a little bit too high, right?

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no.

[Unknown Guest]

Can you guess who our special guest is by his voice?

[Mr. Torturer]

Then have him say something again. Hey, how's it going? I'm from the green White Green. It's either Bill Clinton or a random white.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's Bill.

[T-Pain]

It's Bill. I got a question. I got a question for you. What's your biggest hot tape?

[Mr. Torturer]

What's your question?

[T-Pain]

What's your biggest hot tape?

[Unknown Guest]

My.

[Mr. Torturer]

My biggest hot take is it's okay to be a grower and not a shower. Okay, let's talk about this. That's what the I'm talking about, baby. Yeah. Now this the nation I represent. This the nation I represent, baby. It ain't enough. It ain't enough thing for medium out of here. Yeah, we need something. We need something for the medium.

[T-Pain]

Have you. Have you been sh. Have you been ashamed for this before?

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no. Yeah. Wait, wait. And I haven't been shamed because I know how to hide it, you know, you got.

[Unknown Guest]

It ain't that hard to hide though.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no, it is, it is. We gotta have some situation. We gotta have situations going on because, you know, we gotta, we gotta have time, I think, you know, time heals all wounds and feels all wounds, you know what I'm saying? So I, I understand what you're saying, and it just takes a little bit of, you know, it just takes a little bit of time. We at least got to walk in the room with a half a job going on.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

We can't do, we can't just, we can't just whip out. See, the thing is the people that can whip out, the people that can whip out. It's just the same presentation the whole time. You know what I'm saying? We whip out at 10 and we say. And we, we whip out at 10. We, we whip out at 10 o' clock and we say more at 11. That ass. You know what I'm saying? Did you hear him?

[Unknown Guest]

He said, oh, I know.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, I know. It's. It's like a hellcat, you know, you gotta let the engine warm up. You gotta give it a little bit to get on that demon time. We gotta get that warm up, you know, you gotta warm up to get on that demon time. We need that E85 in the tank, huh? That's right.

[Unknown Guest]

That's right.

[T-Pain]

You know, what's, what's your hiding technique then?

[Mr. Torturer]

What's my hiding technique is I like I said, I tease them, you know, they try to touch me. I don't know, touch me, like, get off me. You know, maybe not, maybe not that. Maybe, maybe not that far. But, you know, I play it off, you know, it's. It's one of those times. It's one of those situations, you know, you kind of just go as you go. So if she's a little hotter than you, you can't really dial it back because you know, you got, you got to push forward. Well, no, if she, if she's better than, than usual. No, no, no. I'm not saying I'm gonna be on. She's. Okay, let's just put this in layman terms. She's hornier than you at the end of the night and you like, I gotta get at least, like, I gotta get a havoc going on. Oh, you know what I'm saying? If she horny as she start reaching now, what do you, you know what I'm saying? What's your technique at that point? There is no half child. If she's if she's, you know, look at. It's all in the Uber on the way home.

[T-Pain]

You ain't.

[Mr. Torturer]

You ain't fully chubbed up. You ain't ready to go. You know what I'm saying? But if she like, look, this. This Hennessy just kicked in. I need to. I need to feel full rod.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

What's happening?

[Unknown Guest]

It's gonna be funny when she grab your. Like a cigarette.

[Mr. Torturer]

What the. What's the. What's the technique? What's the technique if she fully horny and you like, I gotta. I need a little bit of time.

[Unknown Guest]

Now. Playing hard to get with a little meat is crazy. That's what he going have to do.

[Mr. Torturer]

First of all, first of all, I never said my meat was little Pat, so.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes, you did.

[Mr. Torturer]

You literally did. You. You, you. The second you said anything, you joined the medium meat club. Yeah. The girl that. You're a grower, not a sewer.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

If you ain't a full elephant trunk off the. The top, you were a grower. You. Maybe not the elephant truck. More, more. Maybe like a hard voice like a half grown banana.

[Unknown Guest]

But you know what's crazy, T? Pain being the first person to tell you that your meat little is crazy.

[Mr. Torturer]

N. But I'm in it. Hey, look. Hey, look. I know for a fact I don't have the biggest dick in the world because I watch a lot of porn. I watch a lot of porn.

[T-Pain]

I don't have a porn.

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't have a porn dick, but I. I do know how to satisfy and I do know how to get where I. I'm. Where I'm going. Yeah, look, same way. I don't know how to swim, but I will get to the edge of the pool very fast.

[Unknown Guest]

All right.

[T-Pain]

All right, bro. You have a good one. Yo, yo.

[Mr. Torturer]

Can I tell a story?

[Unknown Guest]

A story?

[T-Pain]

That was your story.

[Unknown Guest]

It's a quick story, bro. You sound boring, bro.

[T-Pain]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Mr. Torturer]

So I work part time at a restaurant, right? Last week, I gave a cook. Cook a cookie and I told. He asked me for a cookie. I told him no. I told him in English and in Spanish, and he still said. He still said, give me the cookie. Within two hours. Yes, within two hours, that boy went home.

[T-Pain]

That was your story.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, he was so hot, he went home. Okay, you gave him a weed cookie.

[Unknown Guest]

I thought I literally told y' all. He sounds boy.

[Mr. Torturer]

All right, bro.

[T-Pain]

You have a good.

[Mr. Torturer]

This man's a hundred years old. You know they put weed in cookies now. This is crazy.

[Unknown Guest]

Let me tell you, an edible story.

[Mr. Torturer]

Let me tell you what's going on. You know, I don't know if y' all know this, but they put the drugs in the cookies now.

[T-Pain]

You ever heard of edibles before? This episode is brought to you by.

[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

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[T-Pain]

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[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

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[T-Pain]

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[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[T-Pain]

Yo.

[Mr. Torturer]

Hello.

[T-Pain]

Welcome to Crash Enemies Podcast.

[Mr. Torturer]

What's up?

[T-Pain]

What up? What up?

[Mr. Torturer]

I love you so much. I love you so much. I'm.

[T-Pain]

I'm bringing the positive vibes because the last time you guys called me, y'.

[Mr. Torturer]

All was talking about, somebody need a snicker. Oh, yeah, that's. God damn it.

[Unknown Guest]

She had a little. Can you. Okay, we got a special guest. Can you tell who it is by his voice? He's about to say something.

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, baby.

[T-Pain]

All right, I got a question for you. What's your. What's your biggest hot take? There's no reason for a man to be wearing ankle socks.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay, all right, we gotta calm down. Okay. All right, check this out, Check this out, check this out. Now, I will say this. There is. There is one thing. I don't want to interrupt you, but I'm a man, so I have to. Okay? Now, specifically, my wife does not like seeing socks. She hates Everything that YG has ever worn in his life. My wife does not like seeing socks. I. I can't wear socks above my shoes or if I got, like, shorts on, if I got pants on, we're good. But here's the thing. When I.

[T-Pain]

So you're wearing shorts with ankle socks.

[Mr. Torturer]

I didn't know. So the only reason. The only reason I have to is because when I'm doing and when I'm performing, my socks go under my foot. And that is the worst feeling of all time. Now, when you shuffling when you're doing, your socks sometimes go under your foot. If your socks are ill, fit, fitting. But I'm telling you, if you can see socks above shoes, it's totally fine because it might be a reason and don't want to get the gout just from performance. So. But why now? What is your now? Why. Why do you see men not wearing ankle socks?

[T-Pain]

That looks so goofy.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm not the only person. There's no way I. You know what? Sorry.

[T-Pain]

Because your ankles is probably always showing, but you probably got some shits on right now.

[Mr. Torturer]

Actually. I did.

[T-Pain]

I did good, right? Are. Oh, they are.

[Mr. Torturer]

You got. You got them. Can nobody see my angles right now? I'm covert in this. I'm covert in this. Hell no. There's no reason.

[T-Pain]

Like, I don't.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's like a big ass sometimes. I don't.

[T-Pain]

What, so what about, like. No. What about. No. No show socks?

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, I was just about to say that.

[T-Pain]

No show socks with your twinkle toe ass.

[Mr. Torturer]

Why the. You have no. Okay. I don't know if you know. I don't know if you notice. When. When were you born? What year were you born?

[Unknown Guest]

98.

[Mr. Torturer]

Okay, so you don't know. You don't know. Used to have to make ankle socks.

[T-Pain]

Used to have to roll. Roll the bottle.

[Mr. Torturer]

So this is the thing. This.

[Unknown Guest]

Not even roll the bottom. I used to pull it all the way to the ankle and then take.

[Mr. Torturer]

Fold them. You fold them under your feet?

[T-Pain]

Fold it under your foot.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, we didn't have. We didn't have these privileges. Can you imagine a bra where you have to fold the top of it down to fit your titties? Could you imagine that? Like, could you imagine, like, we had. We had to make sacrifices. Girl. You wouldn't have that problem if you wasn't out here borrowing socks.

[Unknown Guest]

Sounds like it's not.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, we. They just literally. They literally made one side. No, they literally made one size for everybody. We didn't have the privileges. We didn't have those privileges. Of having different. Different size that. That. That 6 to 12 and 12 to 18. That just happened in the early 2000s. That just started happening. Used to buy one sock and used to have to make that sock whatever size you wanted to by folding it under your foot.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[Mr. Torturer]

There's nothing else you can do. We didn't have the privilege of having different size shits.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Shaq didn't start playing. We didn't have that. And I understand that. You just don't. You. You wouldn't remember that because you didn't have to go through that.

[Unknown Guest]

NBA players used to wear socks.

[Mr. Torturer]

Y' all popping at me, cuz y' all some pilgrims that ain't got nothing, col. Okay, so check this out. Check this out. Look up. Look up when. Look up when different side socks, like, really start coming into play and start. Of course you don't want to. Of course you didn't want to. But we had to. We had to. They didn't make different size size socks for us when we was going to Walmart.

[Unknown Guest]

You literally just call us to argue, like, who is this dude? And why you not taking it out on him?

[Mr. Torturer]

Hey, look. Hey, look. I will argue with you all day. I will argue with you. I will argue with you all day. All you got to do is send me a picture of your feet. Who is this, though? He said he talking about.

[T-Pain]

He was shuffling.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm a white guy. I'm a white guy. I'm a white guy. They align me. Just let me say it doesn't matter.

[T-Pain]

They'll see it. They'll see it. Exactly.

[Mr. Torturer]

When they see it, they just let me say. Sometimes I really want her to know.

[Unknown Guest]

Who it is, because I want. Because she said that she basically called you broke at some point.

[Mr. Torturer]

So I want you to know.

[Unknown Guest]

So our special guest, this is. This is T Pain you're talking to.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, but let me hear it. What you call me? What you say? I said hit that note real quick.

[Unknown Guest]

Let me hear it.

[Mr. Torturer]

Shorty. Good ass.

[T-Pain]

All right, you have a good one. Oh, I can't wait till she see this shit.

[Mr. Torturer]

She gonna be so swee.

[T-Pain]

It's always funny because he said a lot.

[Mr. Torturer]

We only had one side.

[T-Pain]

We only had one side.

[Mr. Torturer]

We had to throw because it was just whatever the basketball players was wearing.

[Unknown Guest]

That was all we had, whatever Alan Iverson had on it.

[T-Pain]

Yo, welcome to Crash Dummies podcast.

[Mr. Torturer]

What's up, Mike? It's called welcome, people. Yeah, we don't. We don't do that. We're just like, what's up?

[T-Pain]

What's up?

[Unknown Guest]

What's up, Mike?

[Mr. Torturer]

Wait, who the is that? That? Oh, oh, I think you need, I think you need to, I think just, just calm down a little bit. Why you stuttering? Because I have a stutter. I'm the person that, that I'm, I'm the director that made Black Panther is Ryan Coogler. I was, I was gonna let her pick. I didn't think she was. I think she was a part of the culture. I need to know.

[T-Pain]

I got a question for you. What's your biggest hot take?

[Mr. Torturer]

We need more violence in the world. What? Balance. Violence, violence. Oh, we need more violence. Where you, where are you from? I'm from la. What Pat at?

[Unknown Guest]

I'm right here. What's up?

[T-Pain]

Oh, this your forehead? Oh, she's Pat's forehead on my patreon.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, this you. Oh. How much money you make a year?

[Mr. Torturer]

We make the same amount. I'm not sure that we're getting sponsors for this episode alone.

[Unknown Guest]

Go ahead. What's our sponsors right now?

[Mr. Torturer]

Shout out to the sponsors. That's about to drop all of us.

[T-Pain]

Why do you think we need more violence, though?

[Mr. Torturer]

Nah, I just like, I think we really like when people wild out and.

[T-Pain]

Like really like just beat the out.

[Mr. Torturer]

Of people or like hurt somebody real bad. I feel like we should lessen the time on it. Okay. And like, just let people get that out. Cuz, like, so what? So, so what if the whole thing. So what if other people say we need more violence against just you by yourself? Just.

[T-Pain]

I'll beat the shot of anybody.

[Mr. Torturer]

I mean, you can't beat the out of multiple people, though. You ain't, you ain't, you ain't Batman. Like, what if multiple people want to beat the out of you? I mean, shit, I'mma just had to put the switch. But what if you deserve it? Like, what if it's like, we deserve more? We need more violence in the shit. And what if, like, one of the things that we need to mitigate is people like you? What if it's you?

[T-Pain]

You're not the one that's calling for more violence.

[Mr. Torturer]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It is, it is people like me, but also all the people like me are also going against the people like you. So. And it seems that so far the people that we've called, you're the only people. You're the only person like you. So out. I think I have more people. God, beat your ass. You know what? Hey, I invited. I, I, it ain't, it ain't. Nothing better in the world than angry sex. And I'm so ready for it. Okay, you said.

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like she said that she liked one of your songs before. She's like an avid Patreon listener. Her profile picture is my forehead. She's. She's kind of.

[Mr. Torturer]

I mean, I paid for it. I did one page. Patreon got expensive.

[Unknown Guest]

You said you liked one of his songs before.

[Mr. Torturer]

What song?

[Unknown Guest]

You said it in the chat. Well, you'll see. You'll see What?

[Mr. Torturer]

Back Backseat Action. My only.

[T-Pain]

Only songs I've been seeing is Kea. Who.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay. Who she say? Ke.

[T-Pain]

Oh.

[Mr. Torturer]

Ke.

[T-Pain]

Oh, okay.

[Mr. Torturer]

Keith Lee. Keith Le.

[T-Pain]

Yo, welcome to Crash Dummies Podcast.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[T-Pain]

Oh, no. I mean, what up.

[Mr. Torturer]

That was. That was so. Thank you for. Thank you for calling PetSmart. How you the hell.

[Unknown Guest]

That was dry.

[T-Pain]

All right, we got a. We got a question for you.

[Mr. Torturer]

All right.

[T-Pain]

All right. What's your biggest hot take?

[Unknown Guest]

So my biggest hot take here is.

[Mr. Torturer]

Celebrity shouldn't exist.

[T-Pain]

Celebrities shouldn't exist.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no. I actually. With. With this. I actually. With this. I'm not gonna lie to you. I actually. With this.

[T-Pain]

What's your reason?

[Mr. Torturer]

Too many people. There's a normal guys. Too many people out here caring what they do, like, commenting on IG posts, trying to see who was what, like, doing what.

[Unknown Guest]

Do you, like, hold your breath when you talk?

[Mr. Torturer]

He does. He does. He's taking a piss right this second. So check this out. So. So basically. So basically what I. The reason I. I With this is because it's like there's so many people better than. That's famous. Yeah, that's just normal, like, wild. While Mike wasn't practicing, there was somebody becoming better, right? Just. That couldn't get recognition because they don't have the resources. They don't have the. The, you know, the. The eyes on them and like, that. I always think this at the same time. And I. Because I used to be around a bunch of celebrities in. In like, before I became one, and I was always like, man, wow. People like this around these people, right? Like, because I used to have a camera on me all the time and I used to film these people. It was like a little JVC little. Little high eight. You know what I'm saying? Like, tape camera. And I used to have the camera on these people all the time, and they Just normal people. And I'm like, man. But when they got around other people, I was like, something's. This is weird. What the. Like, why is it such a difference on the sides of the camera? When you put a camera in between people, the people behind it are fine, but the people in front of it are not. You know what I'm saying? And it's just, I always thought like, this shouldn't. This is weird. This should not be possible. This should not be possible. The people that came up with me that were singing the same way as me and I around and got in camera before the them somehow people go crazier over me than they do other people I came up with. But it's just because I was in front of the camera and not behind it.

[Unknown Guest]

Right.

[Mr. Torturer]

And it's just like I never understood that. So I kind of. With this thing. Celebrity shouldn't exist is a. That's a top one. But I don't. I don't. The thing is, I don't know why they do. Yeah, that's the only thing.

[T-Pain]

I feel it.

[Unknown Guest]

That's true. But like, like this dude, like, you got some talent or something.

[T-Pain]

It was just us talking for the motherfucker. But he got his point across.

[Unknown Guest]

No, he left.

[Mr. Torturer]

That was a good point, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[T-Pain]

I didn't think he was going to elaborate anymore either.

[Mr. Torturer]

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[Unknown Guest]

Gotta keep the lights on when the three alarm hits.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm ready.

[Unknown Guest]

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[Mr. Torturer]

This.

[T-Pain]

Episode is brought to you by State Farm.

[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

[Mr. Torturer]

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[T-Pain]

Coverage options are selected by the customer.

[Mr. Torturer]

Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. What do you do man's podcast. I got a question for you, man. What's that, gang? We back. What's your. What's your dumbest hot take, man? Just because the stink that don't mean it's ran through.

[Unknown Guest]

That's.

[Mr. Torturer]

Put this on this goddamn podcast. Let me talk to this goddamn band.

[T-Pain]

You agree with this?

[Mr. Torturer]

I. With this man? This man just. This spitting. This what I'm talking about. What some people have not. No, I'm not. You know, I'm not defending anybody. I'm just saying is that t pain my. Yo, my man is spitting. Some people have chemical imbalances. Sometimes people use soaps that don't agree with their. With their. With their. With their body. You know what I'm saying? Some people. Some people don't know. I'm grown enough to know. I'm grown enough to know the got more than two bodies.

[Unknown Guest]

Exactly.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's what I'm saying. But it ain't even about the bodies at this point now it's about chemical imbalances now. It's about making sure that you're using the right products. Making sure, man, this sound like Kevin Hardy using big words. And bro, you got too much money now. Chemical imbalance is being a big word to you. I got more questions about. But here's what I'm saying. Some people. Some people need to figure out why there are so many soaps, why there are so many oils, why there are so many feminine products, why there are so many different things. And that's a. That's a. That's a real thing. That don't mean that it's ran through. That don't mean nothing. You got to take chances in life, man, to eat that sometimes, you know, you got to. I don't know. I don't know.

[T-Pain]

If you got an odor, you should.

[Mr. Torturer]

Stick your tongue down there. But I said sometimes I didn't been down there there. And I don't think if you sticking your dick in there. I feel like the tongue is. It's not. Not as bad.

[T-Pain]

So have you had this experience before?

[Mr. Torturer]

Huh?

[T-Pain]

This has happened to you before, I'm guessing.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, bro, you know, I done ran.

[T-Pain]

Up on some stank like I done ran up on some.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm knowing I'm the only that didn't been hitting. It.

[Unknown Guest]

Doesn'T exist.

[Mr. Torturer]

It does. Sometimes they literally have to. You got to figure out sometimes that just be a little. You got to figure out what work with your body sometimes. So hold on. Wait, wait, wait.

[T-Pain]

I got A question for y' all.

[Mr. Torturer]

Y' all ain't never run up on those thing. Stop.

[T-Pain]

L. No, I've been in a lot.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no, no.

[T-Pain]

I personally been in a lot of long term relationships. Relationships.

[Unknown Guest]

I'll defer. I'll defer to the second half.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's right. I don't ran up on some. But then I was, you know, I was politely like, hey, maybe we try another soap. Maybe we tried.

[Unknown Guest]

Try another soap.

[Mr. Torturer]

So maybe we tried everything because I'll bring us like, you know, when we start taking showers together. And I'm like, hey, baby, we. You know what I'm saying? Just, just use my. So boom, boom, boom. And then it's a whole different thing.

[Unknown Guest]

And it's just like, hey, babe, I'm watching your process and I didn't see you going between your legs.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's not even the process because a lot of you. Because sometimes when. I don't even know how to say this. When women use the, you know, the douche, the deuce, right? Once you use the deuce, sometimes that's washing out the. That actually makes their smell okay. You know what I'm saying? But she's been taught so much to get all that out of there that it actually washes the away and sometimes. Don't take, don't listen to me. I'm not a biologist. I'm just speaking from experience. I'm just speaking from experience. It's not another man trying to tell women how to smell and just going.

[Unknown Guest]

To go back to her friends. Like T. Pain said, it's nice.

[Mr. Torturer]

I'm only saying this. No, I'm only saying this from experience. And I've only noticed it more after my wife told me, like, hey, sometimes, you know, cuz, you know, we deal with a lot of other women. So she's like, you know, I've watched my wife like tell other women like, hey, try this. Boom, boom, boom. This, this, this. Maybe this is not a product for you. Boom, boom, boom. And then this is like a honey pot thing. And then there's like this, this other. I ain't even going to lie. Pan you turn, bro, you be having three with your wife. I mean, this is. This is common knowledge, bro.

[Unknown Guest]

It look like you, you sound like.

[Mr. Torturer]

The type of dick is ready to.

[Unknown Guest]

Call anybody big bro.

[Mr. Torturer]

Anybody that's doing anything you ain't doing. Nah, we got it, right? We got it, man. Pain, bro, I'm gonna ask you, you was around Wayne during that time he.

[T-Pain]

Was beefing with Dream?

[Mr. Torturer]

No. Bet you.

[T-Pain]

Was Ryan Wayne around that time.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah, it was dream, Okay. I don't remember that. I ain't gonna lie to you. Wayne was beefing with the dream.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, man, I'm talking about. I'm talking about the singer and when he took his out the club. What the. Okay, I don't know about. Yeah, I don't know about drama. I don't know about drama. It was some music, then I was there, but I don't know about. No, I don't get enough to know about other people's business. I'm still ugly. I don't know. It was cool talking to. All right, bro. Thank you, bro.

[Unknown Guest]

Nobody going to believe this in the.

[Mr. Torturer]

I go to his family, like, I just got done. Like, shut up. Back to the basement. Y.

[T-Pain]

Welcome to Crack Dummy's podcast.

[Mr. Torturer]

What's going on?

[T-Pain]

What up?

[Mr. Torturer]

I got a. I got a question for you. Yeah, what's your question? What's your stupid ass hot take that? White girls can't be studs. Okay. Not going to lie to you, all right? Oh, my God. How do we approach what we, as black people, consider us that. I don't. He might be right.

[Unknown Guest]

He might be right.

[Mr. Torturer]

It takes a level of aggression, I don't think. Listen, listen. Every time you see a. A white girl that's a stud, you call her a butch, though, right? Now, now, now, now. When we started talking. Now we. When we. Here's the thing. When we start talking about like. Like biker chicks and like that, you know what I'm saying? We don't call them studs.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

But the thing that we define as studs, I don't. I don't think I. I don't think I know a white.

[Unknown Guest]

I. Okay, I will say that white women that are considered studs, they kind of dress more like Conan O' Brien than they do, like, old school Alan IIs. You know what I'm saying? Three piece.

[Mr. Torturer]

Three B suits.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, it's more like.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, no, no.

[T-Pain]

I don't know if I know any white studs.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm hosting, like a night show or something like that.

[Mr. Torturer]

But a Latina could also be a stud.

[T-Pain]

Yeah, I've seen some Latinos.

[Mr. Torturer]

I know a bunch of. I know a bunch of white lesbians that are dudes in their relationship in general.

[T-Pain]

Yes, I swear I have.

[Mr. Torturer]

I know. I know about.

[T-Pain]

There's a lot of Latina.

[Mr. Torturer]

I know a bunch of white lesbians that are the dude in their relationship.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes, I do know that, too. Studs. Those studs is, like, pretty, like, very, very rare. Like, to be A stud. Like, there's a. They have an elite club. Like, you gotta have some credentials to be considered a stud.

[Mr. Torturer]

They're like wrestlers.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

They got stage names. And.

[Unknown Guest]

I think to be a stud, you have to be from the inner city, though.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

I think that's why. Oh. You can't be a suburban stuff.

[Unknown Guest]

No, no.

[Mr. Torturer]

And in the suburbs, you just like girls.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. Wear pantsuits.

[Mr. Torturer]

20, 25.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

The sons just. They dress like Hillary Clinton at wedding.

[Mr. Torturer]

Correct? Absolutely. Absolutely.

[T-Pain]

I. With that. All right, bro. You have a good one.

[Mr. Torturer]

Y. Appreciate y' all. Y' all have a good one. You, too, man.

[T-Pain]

Peace, man. That was great.

[Unknown Guest]

That was amazing.

[T-Pain]

No, I appreciate you.

[Mr. Torturer]

There's been a bug in my drink this whole time.

[T-Pain]

Where'd the bug come. Come from, though?

[Mr. Torturer]

I don't know. It's really. God damn it. Oh, that's gross.

[T-Pain]

You might as well drink it, though, like, figuring your cup is kind of crazy. And your triple company, too.

[Mr. Torturer]

Been drinking the juices of it. Whatever the. It was. I think it was.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Get my baby.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, you. He babysits his drink. You gotta watch, dude. He.

[Mr. Torturer]

There's got to be this multiple bugs in there. Then.

[Unknown Guest]

There's been times where I was like, I wanted to thank people after drinking, like, damn. I took five shots tonight, and I don't know where they came from. From. And the whole time, I only got two shots. And he. You got to watch him. That's why they call him MC in the.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's fire. That's fire.

[Unknown Guest]

Mike Cosby.

[Mr. Torturer]

Mike Cosby. Mickey Clipper.

[T-Pain]

Hey, Wa. Pain. Appreciate you coming on.

[Unknown Guest]

When everybody start calling him Pain.

[T-Pain]

What?

[Mr. Torturer]

Normal.

[T-Pain]

I just feel like saying T. Pain. Sing some form.

[Mr. Torturer]

A lot.

[T-Pain]

It's a lot.

[Mr. Torturer]

It's just a lot.

[T-Pain]

Way more silly syllables.

[Mr. Torturer]

Yeah.

[T-Pain]

Pain is just simple.

[Mr. Torturer]

Pain is. That's. That's what all my friends call me. But.

[T-Pain]

Okay, how'd you get the. What'd you come up with the name T?

[Unknown Guest]

Pain.

[Mr. Torturer]

So my name. Oh, boy. Okay. My name used to be Mr. Torturer. I was, like, 14.

[Unknown Guest]

You have Nabidi as. Your name is crazy.

[T-Pain]

Sound like a male stripper. Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

Monster Torturer.

[T-Pain]

Literally sound like a name you would hear in the Diddy trial right now.

[Mr. Torturer]

That's correct.

[T-Pain]

That one dude they named the Punisher or some shit?

[Mr. Torturer]

Nah, In Diddy Trial, yeah, I was the Punisher. Yeah. A lot of foreshadowing. A lot of foreshadowing.

[Unknown Guest]

For real.

[T-Pain]

Yeah.

[Mr. Torturer]

So I used to be Mr. Torturer, one of the people that used to be in my group. Bird Chess Johnson. He was like, I'm not saying that.

[Unknown Guest]

Wait, what was he.

[Mr. Torturer]

No, his name was Bird Chest Johnson.

[Unknown Guest]

Bird Chest Johnson.

[Mr. Torturer]

So Bird Chance Johnson looked at Mr. Torture and was like, I'm not saying that. And then he. I was like, all right, so torture. What do you got? He was like, t pain. T torch. T pain. T pain is good. I was like, yeah, but I. I don't want the T to be for torture, though. He's like, Teen Team Tallahassee. Absolutely. Tallahassee pay. Let's go, cuz. He was trying to say my name in a verse one day and it was like, I don't. I'm not saying torture.

[T-Pain]

Torture. Thank God you let that go.

[Unknown Guest]

The bigger question is, is what's his new name?

[Mr. Torturer]

That's. That's. It's still. It's still that. It's still Bur Ch Johnson.

[T-Pain]

He died.

[Unknown Guest]

Bur Ch Johnson.

[Mr. Torturer]

Shout out to Johnson, man.

[T-Pain]

I appreciate you coming on the pod.

[Mr. Torturer]

Absolutely.

[T-Pain]

This has been crash dummies episode 12. No, it's 2112-112112-11211,211, 211.

[Mr. Torturer]

It peace type gang.