Desperate for His Presence | Francis Chan

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Crazy Love Podcast
Episode: Desperate for His Presence | Francis Chan
Date: November 3, 2025
Host: Crazy Love Ministries
Guest: Francis Chan

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt episode, Francis Chan passionately explores what it truly means to desire God's presence above all else, drawing inspiration from Exodus 33 where Moses refuses to go to the Promised Land without God Himself. Francis challenges listeners to reflect on their own longing for God—not just His blessings, not just a great atmosphere or worship experience, but a real, transformative relationship with God. Through personal stories, vivid biblical teaching, and direct appeals, Francis unpacks why God’s presence is absolutely essential for lasting change and spiritual endurance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Difference Between Atmosphere and Presence

• Story of Disappointment: Francis tells a story about an elaborate birthday party for his third mother, who ultimately didn’t attend, despite all the planning, effort, and money spent ([01:38–03:50]).
  • Key Insight: “You can have all the right elements, but without the person you love, it means nothing.”
• Application to Worship Events: He compares this to Christian gatherings, warning that excitement, big crowds, and talented worship leaders are not substitutes for the actual presence of God.
  • “We can’t be content just because we have great worship leaders…we want your presence.” ([04:07])

2. True Transformation Requires God Himself

• Old Nature vs. New Nature: Francis uses vivid biblical imagery (2 Peter 2) of dogs returning to vomit and pigs to mud, illustrating how unchanged hearts resort to old sins regardless of external clean-up ([04:42–05:55]).
  • Quote: “Why does a pig do that? Because he’s a pig… When you wash them off, you don’t change their nature.” ([05:26])
• New Birth by the Holy Spirit: He underlines that only God, through His Spirit, can make someone "hunger for righteousness" and create sustained spiritual change.
  • “The Bible says when the Holy Spirit enters into you, you’re no longer a slave to sin. You actually become a slave to righteousness.” ([06:08])

3. Personal Experience of Lasting Change

• Francis’s Testimony: He shares his story of genuine inner transformation as a teenager, noting it was not the result of external pressure or hype, but of God’s work within him ([07:03–07:48]).
• Plea for Lasting Relationship: He prays for the listeners, hoping that God’s work in them “makes it last,” noting with sorrow how many friends and peers have “walked away” ([08:27]).

4. Exodus 33: Moses' Heart for God’s Presence

• Moses’ Refusal to Move Without God: Francis draws from Exodus 33:2–3, 15–17 to illustrate Moses’ passion for God Himself over any promised blessing, land, or even angelic miracles.
  • Quote: “If your presence will not go with me, do not bring us up from here.” ([10:15])
  • “I’d rather be in the desert with you, God, than in the Promised Land without you.” ([11:44])
  • He asks listeners: “Is that your heart right now?” ([11:31])

5. The Unapproachable, Yet Merciful God

• God’s Glory and Holiness: Francis unpacks the scene where Moses pleads to see God’s glory (Exodus 33–34). He emphasizes both God’s overwhelming holiness (“no one can see my face and live”) and His deep mercy and desire to forgive ([15:29–16:07]).
  • Memorable Moment: “If God would just tear open the heavens and let us see His face, we would all simultaneously die... The Bible says he dwells in unapproachable light.” ([16:20])
• God’s Self-Description:
  • “The Lord, the Lord, a God, merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love…” ([18:25])
  • He encourages the audience to memorize this passage in Exodus 34 as a foundation for understanding God's character.

6. Balancing God’s Mercy and Justice

• Quote: “I’m a God of mercy, but I also am a God of wrath. We can’t do that to God, we can’t use our own logic.” ([22:19])
• Francis warns against making God fit our expectations: “God’s just telling us, look, this is who I am.” ([22:45])

7. The Fear and Love of God Working Together

• Jeremiah 32—God Changes Our Hearts: Francis points to God’s promised work:
  • “I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, that they may not turn from Me.” ([24:15])
  • Insight: Only God can put this enduring love and reverence (“fear”) in someone’s heart, sustaining believers even as others fall away.
• Romans 5:5—God’s Love Poured Out:
  • “God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” ([25:45])
  • Francis shares how this truth is essential, especially for those with backgrounds of rejection or insecurity ([26:13–26:38]).

8. Calling Listeners to Respond—Space for God to Work

• Francis concludes by inviting everyone to quietly pray, seeking God’s personal touch—not showmanship, but real encounter ([27:17–29:30]).
  • “We repent of all of our little tricks to try to move people. We’ve got to have your presence.” ([29:24])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On God’s Presence Over Blessings:
  • “I would rather be in a gas station in Compton if Jesus is there… than out here in this beautiful place.” – Francis Chan ([12:38])
• On Worship Without God:
  • “We wasted thousands of dollars and all this effort … You can have everything there, but if [the one you love] doesn’t show up, it’s worthless.” ([03:50])
• On Lasting Transformation:
  • “I can’t put the fear of God in your heart. … That’s something only He does.” ([27:02])
• On God’s Dual Nature:
  • “I’m a God of wrath, but I’m a God of mercy. I’m a God of grace. I’m a God of love. … God’s just telling us, look, this is who I am.” ([23:06])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Story of the Disappointing Celebration: 01:38–03:50
• Atmosphere vs. Presence in Worship: 04:07–06:04
• Nature Change by the Holy Spirit: 06:08–07:48
• Francis’ Personal Transformation: 07:03–07:48
• Teaching on Exodus 33 (Moses’ Plea): 09:10–12:38
• Holiness and Unapproachable God: 15:29–17:31
• God Describes Himself (Exodus 34): 17:55–19:36
• God’s Mercy & Justice: 21:42–23:06
• Discussion on the Fear of the Lord (Jeremiah 32): 24:04–24:55
• Love of God Poured Out (Romans 5): 25:45–26:38
• Call to Prayer for God’s Presence: 27:17–29:30

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Conclusion

Francis Chan calls the audience—both present and listening—to pause and actively seek the presence of the living God, above all outward signs and experiences. He urges a hunger for the real God: His love, His fear, His glory, and His transforming presence. Only God Himself, says Francis, can do the deep, lasting work in our hearts.

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Transcript

[Podcast Host]

Welcome to the Crazy Love podcast. In Exodus 33, Moses tells God that he doesn't want to go to the promised Land without God's presence. In today's episode, Francis challenges us to consider if we have that same heart. Are you so in love with the person of Christ that you would rather be in the desert with him than in the promised Land without?

[Francis Chan]

I want to share a story about.

[Guest Speaker]

Something that happened about two months ago. I have a stepmom, so some of you guys know my mom died when she gave birth to me. And then my dad remarried, but then my stepmother died when I was 7.

[Francis Chan]

And then my dad remarried, and then.

[Guest Speaker]

He died when I was 12. And there was a woman that took care of me, my third mother. And she took care of me till I was in. Till I was about 18, and she.

[Francis Chan]

Kicked me out, and I had nowhere to go.

[Guest Speaker]

And this couple took me in. Mike and Vicki Otto. And Mike was such a stud. He showed me what it was to be a husband, to be a dad, this young guy. And I respected him because he. He pitched in the College World Series for Pepperdine way back then, back in the 70s.

[Francis Chan]

And anyways, he just became like a father figure to me and the example.

[Guest Speaker]

Of what a husband and a dad were supposed to be.

[Francis Chan]

But that mom, that third mother who.

[Guest Speaker]

Took care of me till I was.

[Francis Chan]

18, she just turned 90 two months ago. And so we flew in, my sisters, you know, I rented out a Chinese restaurant, obviously, and all our. The greatest foods. Everyone, all these relatives came in. We spent, like, thousands of dollars, and so excited, because I just want to bless her. But then she didn't show up when she refused to come. And so I'm like, well, I guess this is still cool. We get to have dinner with some of our old relatives or whatever. But at the end the night, I'm just like, that was so stupid. We wasted thousands of dollars and all this effort. My point in that story is, you know, when I came here, and I think when a lot of us come here tonight, we just assume that this is gonna be awesome. We're gonna have thousands of people in Malibu worshiping with Cody Carnes. What could go wrong? I mean, when's the last time you went to something where Kerry Jobe was leading worship and you thought, oh, that was dumb. Like, it's a guarantee success. But do you really look at it like, but no, God, we don't care about that. We want your presence. I was just thinking, gosh, this could be, like, my mom's birthday, where we got everything There, but she doesn't show up. Man, I am so hungry for God to show up tonight. And we can't be content just because we have great worship leaders. We can't be content just because thousands of us showed up and we're singing and there's energy and there's. So, believe me, I'm excited to see Pepperdine worshiping. I used to preach here, like, 20, 25 years ago. No one was worshiping. I mean, it was crazy. That's why I'm sitting here going, this is insane. I can't believe I'm at the same college. So, okay, so I love that. Don't get me wrong. What an amazing night.

[Guest Speaker]

But at the end of the day, is God himself really going to show up? See, otherwise, I could maybe teach you some things, maybe talk you into doing some things, but it's not going to.

[Francis Chan]

Last unless God himself does something invisible.

[Guest Speaker]

In your heart that he changes you.

[Francis Chan]

Because the Bible says otherwise. It's like there's a verse in 2nd Peter 2 where he says sometimes. It's a really gross verse. He says dogs sometimes throw up and they'll walk away. Then they'll think, I want to go eat that, and they go back to their vomit.

[Guest Speaker]

That's a great verse.

[Francis Chan]

And then he says, and pigs, you can wash them clean, but what they do is they run back to the mud right afterwards. Why does a pig do that?

[Guest Speaker]

Because he's a pig.

[Francis Chan]

When you wash them off, you don't change their nature. Their nature is to run to the mud. And in the same way, in the church, I feel like sometimes we'll come to an event like this. Maybe I'll talk about sin, maybe I'll talk about repentance. And we'll spray you off and you'll get all hyped up and you'll get convicted. Like, yeah, I'm going to break up with my girlfriend. Yeah, I'm going to stop looking at whatever it is. And you make that decision. But then it doesn't last. And a few weeks later, you run right back to your mud. Why? Because you're still a pig.

[Guest Speaker]

Your nature didn't change.

[Francis Chan]

And what the Bible says is that when the Holy Spirit enters into you, so God has to show up and come into your very core, your very heart. Because the Bible says when the Holy Spirit enters into you, you're no longer a slave to sin. You actually become a sl. Slave to righteousness. It's. It's like you. You may be tempted by the mud to go back, but the moment your Feet get in the mud. You're like, this doesn't feel right. I don't, I can't enjoy this. I feel sick. I feel gross. I know it's wrong.

[Guest Speaker]

And you suddenly hunger for righteousness.

[Francis Chan]

See, that's not something I can do for you. See, when I was a teenager, I.

[Guest Speaker]

Heard the gospel and something changed in me.

[Francis Chan]

I didn't need a big crowd and all these people worshiping for me to worship. Because something inside of me wanted to worship. My youth pastor didn't have to beg me, no, get up in the morning, I'll call you, set an alarm, whatever, No, I wanted to be with God. I wanted to read this book. I wanted what was right. And there was a process. I mean, I went through.

[Guest Speaker]

College was a bad time for me.

[Francis Chan]

But it's just the sin and everything else, but everything in me was leading towards following him.

[Guest Speaker]

It was inside because God did something. That's what we're desperate for tonight, okay? That something would happen inside of you that I don't talk you into something.

[Francis Chan]

Carrying Cody don't move you into something.

[Guest Speaker]

But God himself says, I'm going to put a fear of me in your heart. I'm put a desire in your heart. So that even if no one else at Pepperdine worshiped again, you couldn't stop.

[Francis Chan]

Even if all your friends, your parents walked away from God, you couldn't stop.

[Guest Speaker]

Because he did something in you. So I've been walking with him for 45 years and it just keeps getting better. I was just thinking as we're singing, I'm like, God, there's no way I could walk away from you. And as I saw you guys singing, worshiping, I was praying for you going, God, please make it it last. I've had too many friends walk away, too many other pastors, peers who are just done. And I'm like, God, make it last in this generation. See, there's a verse in Exodus, you know, we just sang that song.

[Francis Chan]

Nothing else will do.

[Guest Speaker]

I just want you. I'm caught up in your presence.

[Francis Chan]

It's what Moses said in Exodus 33.

[Guest Speaker]

I love this passage.

[Francis Chan]

In Exodus 33, verses 2 and 3, God says to Moses, I'll send an angel before you and I'll drive out the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Hittites, the parasites, the Hivites and the Jebusites. Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go up among you, lest I consume you on the way.

[Guest Speaker]

For you are a stiff necked people.

[Francis Chan]

So this is what God is Saying to Moses, he goes, okay, I told you I would send you the promised land. I'm going to send you. In fact, I'm going to send an angel. And he's going to destroy all the other people so you can go and you can take that land. So you got everything you wanted. You want this land, you got this land. He goes, but I'm not going. And I love what Moses says.

[Guest Speaker]

A few verses later, he said to.

[Francis Chan]

Him, if your presence will not go with me, do not bring us up from here. For how shall it be known that I have found favor in your sight.

[Guest Speaker]

I and your people?

[Francis Chan]

Moses says, I'm not going. I'm not going. I don't care about the land. I don't care if you send an angel. I want you with me. And so I would rather be in the desert with you than going into the promised land with an angel. See, my hope is tonight that you're not content with a worship team.

[Guest Speaker]

That.

[Francis Chan]

You'Re not content with. Pretty good speaker, you know, you just go, that's not enough. I mean, what if I said, look, going to be here in Malibu, and we're going to start singing and an angel's going to come down, okay? Imagine afterwards, Carrie and Cody and I, we're worshiping, all of us are worshiping. And an angel comes down here in Malibu. That's a pretty good night, right? You go home, you tell all your friends about it.

[Guest Speaker]

Moses says, that's not enough. I'm not okay with that. I have to have your presence. Is that your heart right now?

[Francis Chan]

Where you go, God, I gotta have you tonight. I've gotta have you change me. I need your presence. I'd rather be in the desert with you. The desert of relationship. God, I'd rather be single with you than get into a relationship that is absent of you. I'd rather be with you. Okay, so I'll never have children. That's okay. As long as I'm with you, I gotta have you. The land doesn't matter. The angel, I mean, that's cool, but it's just not. I can't do it without you. Just leave me here in the desert with me.

[Guest Speaker]

With you. I don't want the promised land if you're not there. Is that your heart tonight, man?

[Francis Chan]

Do you see God as a real person that you love, Man? I knew it was going beautiful tonight. I love Malibu. I love this area. But honestly, I'd rather be in a gas station in Compton if Jesus is there, right? And I could be with eight people in the bathroom in a gas station. And if his presence shows up, I'm like, okay, I would rather be there.

[Guest Speaker]

Than out here in this beautiful place.

[Francis Chan]

Is that really hard? Like, how real is he to you? Honestly?

[Guest Speaker]

Do you love him like that? He goes on. A few verses later, in verse 17, the Lord said to Moses, this very thing that you have spoken, I will do, for you have found favor in my sight, and I know you by name. Moses said, please show me your glory.

[Francis Chan]

So when Moses tells God, like, I'm not leaving. I'm staying in the desert. I don't care. I'm not going to. I have to have you. It says that God loved that Moses found favor in the sight of God. God saw that. Moses like, no, I really mean that. I really mean that.

[Guest Speaker]

And then God says, okay, I'll go with you. And then Moses says, okay, okay, okay. One more thing. Can I see your glory?

[Francis Chan]

Can I see you in all of your glory? Think about this. This is Moses who spoke to God on a burning bush. This is Moses that went on this mountaintop with him. This is Moses talking to him in this tent of meeting. Like, you're with God, so somehow and you're hearing his voice. And then Moses goes, that's not enough.

[Guest Speaker]

I want to see you in all of your glory. See, that's what it's like when you really know him. You can't get enough of him. All the things in the world just seem like, I really don't care about that that much. I don't care about that that much. Can I get closer to you? And then God says something very important. A few verses later, in verse 19, he says this. He said, I will make all my goodness pass before you. Okay, make sure you catch this.

[Francis Chan]

And I will proclaim before you my name, the Lord. And I will be gracious to whom I'll be gracious, and I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But he says, you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.

[Guest Speaker]

And the Lord said, there's a place.

[Francis Chan]

By me where you'll stand on the rock. And while my glory passes by, I'll put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with.

[Guest Speaker]

My hand until I've passed by.

[Francis Chan]

Then I will take away my hand.

[Guest Speaker]

And you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen. You have to understand this about God.

[Francis Chan]

God says, no human being can look at my face and live. Do you understand that? Sometimes when we talk about God or we pray to God, it's Just like, oh, God. Thanks. And we just talk. Do you understand that you're talking to someone who is so holy that if right now he would just tear open the heavens and let us see his face, we would all simultaneously die? Like, we're talking about a being who's so different from us. I'm breathing right now. There's someone up there who's determining whether I breathe through the rest of this message. And Moses is like, can I see you? He goes, no, you can't see my face and live. The Bible says he dwells in unapproachable light. Do you get that?

[Guest Speaker]

But God says, here's what I'll do. I'll hide you in a rock, and then when I pass by, I'll reveal myself to you. Okay? And then this. These are some of the most important verses in all of scripture. In Exodus 34, starting in verse 5, it says, the Lord descended in the.

[Francis Chan]

Cloud and stood with him there and proclaimed the name of the Lord. The Lord passed before him and proclaimed the Lord the Lord, a God, merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness and keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and.

[Guest Speaker]

Transgression and sin, but who will by.

[Francis Chan]

No means clear the guilty.

[Guest Speaker]

Visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children to the third and fourth generation. Okay, you guys need to memorize that passage. Okay?

[Francis Chan]

This is God revealing himself to Moses. And the first thing he says, he goes, I'm the Lord, the Lord. First thing he says, a God, merciful. Isn't that great news? Like, that's the first thing he says. Here's this God who says, you can't look at me and live, but let.

[Guest Speaker]

Me tell you about myself. I'm merciful. Do you know what that means? He loves to show mercy. That is some of the best news.

[Francis Chan]

So that holy God in heaven, he loves to forgive. That should be great news for us, because you're probably sitting there going, oh, that's cool.

[Guest Speaker]

Because I love being forgiven, right?

[Francis Chan]

I mean, that's a beautiful thing. That's why we come here tonight. It's like you've got this holy God in heaven who's looking down and going, going, man, I want to forgive someone. I want to forgive someone. And then you've got 5,000 people on this field going, well, I want to be forgiven. I want to be forgiven. The Bible says he's rich in mercy. That means on the cross. That's not something that he just did one time, that he was being merciful. The Bible says that he's rich in mercy. That's the first thing he wanted us to know, that those of you who.

[Guest Speaker]

Are guilty, and you probably even came here with some shame and guilt during the week. God says I'm merciful. The Lord, merciful and gracious. That means he loves to give to us things we didn't earn. So that holy God loves to give, he loves to forgive. And he says he's slow to anger. Isn't that great news? Because we've all done some things that we just go, he's got to be so angry with me. And God says, I'm merciful, I'm gracious, I'm slow to anger, and I'm abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. This is our God. He goes, I'm, like, overflowing with love. Like, I want to be in a love relationship with you. I want to forgive you, show my grace. I'm slow to anger. I can forgive you, and I just love you and want you, but I'm also holy, and you can't see me and live. Amazing. But then he goes on and he says, but I'm also a God who does not leave the guilty unpunished.

[Francis Chan]

See, people ask the question, well, if God is a God of love, then how could he punish? How could he? Cause if he's a God of mercy, how can he punish? And I'm going, well, just read the Bible. He says that he's a God of mercy, a God of grace, God of love. And he doesn't leave the guilty unpunished, and he'll punish them to the second or third generation. I mean, that's just what God says. And I don't know. I don't know why we go, well, if he's a God of love, I don't think he can be a God of wrath. God just said it. That's the first thing he tells Moses. This is who I am.

[Guest Speaker]

I'm a God of mercy, but I also am a God of wrath.

[Francis Chan]

We can't do that to God. We can't use our own logic.

[Guest Speaker]

It's like me telling you, hey, I'm actually a really good driver, and I'm Chinese.

[Francis Chan]

And you're like, no, no, you can't be both.

[Guest Speaker]

I am.

[Francis Chan]

I just am. It's who I am. It's the same idea here. And I'm not good at math, which is weird. You know, it's so. I don't play violin, piano, nothing. And. But here's the thing, is God's just telling us, look, this is who I am.

[Guest Speaker]

I'm a God of wrath, but I'm a God of mercy. I'm a God of grace. I'm a God of love. Here's what I want to do with my remaining time, Okay? The Bible says, okay. Earlier, I talked about how I've been walking with him for, like, 45 years, and I'm going, God, I don't understand why I'm still standing and I still love you so much, and I could never leave you, and so many of my friends have walked away. And there was a verse that I. A passage that I looked at a while back, and I'm like, oh, that's why it's in Jeremiah, chapter 32. He says this.

[Francis Chan]

I will give them one heart, one way that they may fear me forever for their own good and the good.

[Guest Speaker]

Of their children after them.

[Francis Chan]

I will make with them an everlasting.

[Guest Speaker]

Covenant that I will not turn away.

[Francis Chan]

From doing good to them. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts that they may.

[Guest Speaker]

Not turn from me.

[Francis Chan]

When I read that, I go, oh, that's what happened. You did something. When I was in college, you put a fear of me in your heart. Like. Like, that's why, man, I. I'm always aware of, like, my mortality. I always think, man, I could die tonight and I'm going to stand before God. And that's the. That's, like, intense for me. I mean, I know he loves me. I know I've been forgiven, but there's still a terrifying thought of, like, wow.

[Guest Speaker]

Seeing him for the first time, like, that's in me.

[Francis Chan]

Every time I start drifting even little ways towards sin, I'm just like, there's a fear of God in me. I can't go there. God made a promise. He goes, I'm going to put a fear of me inside of your heart.

[Guest Speaker]

So that you may not turn away from me. When I read that, I'm like, God, that's what you did. Thank you. That's why I want to pray for you tonight, is that God would put that in your heart. When's the last time you prayed that? When's the last time you said, God put a serious fear of you in my heart so that I'll never turn away from you. And then one other verse I want to read Romans 5, 5. And hope does not put us to.

[Francis Chan]

Shame because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

[Guest Speaker]

Who has been given to us so.

[Francis Chan]

Another verse where God says, okay, I want to put the fear of me in your heart, but I'm also going to pour my love into your heart. This one was huge for me because I grew up just, you know, my dad rejected me, didn't want me.

[Guest Speaker]

Some of us grew up like that.

[Francis Chan]

Our parents didn't want anything to do with us. And then you start believing in this God. You're supposed to believe that he loves you, even despite all the junk in your life.

[Guest Speaker]

How does that happen? God says, this is what I'll do. I'll actually literally pour my love into your heart.

[Francis Chan]

See, all these objections you have in.

[Guest Speaker]

Your head, I can bypass all of that and make you know at the core of your being that I love you. See, this is why I go, God, I've got to have your presence here tonight. Cause I can't put anything in your heart. I can't put the fear of God in your heart.

[Francis Chan]

I can't change your nature and have the spirit. That's something only he does. I can't make you know that God loves you and that he's a God that will forgive you of everything.

[Guest Speaker]

That's why right now, I'm going to ask God to show up here. In fact, I've asked Carrie and Cody. They're not gonna sing right now. They're just gonna come up with me. And we're just gonna be up here silently praying for you. We're gonna be praying that God just comes and meets each one of you. And see, that's the thing is we don't know what you need. Some of you, you don't fear God. You don't treat him as holy. Others of you, man, you don't trust that he loves you.

[Francis Chan]

There's this little insecurity, like, gosh, if you were to die today, you don't know what he would say. When you come into his presence, you don't know his mercy. Some of you are stuck in your sin and you're holding onto it. And you're in relationships that are wrong. And God wants to change that. So God may be convicting you of sin today. He may be showing his love to you today. He may be putting a fear of him in your heart so that you'll never turn away. Some of you, maybe you never truly had a relationship with Him. It was just something you grew up with, something you were taught and is all in your head.

[Guest Speaker]

And maybe he wants to change that tonight. Some of you might even need to be healed tonight of some things. I don't know what it is, But we're just going to leave some space right now for God to do whatever he needs to do. In your heart, those of you who are distant from him, he may draw you so close to him right now. I was just over at Cody and Carrie's house, I don't know, like a month or two ago, and we were just seeking God and we're just saying, God, we just want to see you. We just want to see you move. We're tired of the show. We repent of all of our little tricks to try to move people. We've got to have your presence. So just right now, if you'll just bow your heads, Everyone, And ask God to meet with you.

[Podcast Host]

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