What It Really Means to Follow Jesus | Francis Chan

Summary

Crazy Love Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: What It Really Means to Follow Jesus | Francis Chan
Date: May 11, 2026
Host: Crazy Love Ministries
Speaker: Francis Chan (and group contributors)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Francis Chan’s passionate exploration of the true meaning of following Jesus. Going beyond church attendance, Francis focuses on Jesus’ command to “love one another as I have loved you,” emphasizing sacrificial, community-focused love that defined the early church. Drawing from Scripture, especially John 15 and the Book of Acts, Francis challenges listeners to move from passive observance to radical, life-sharing obedience, arguing that genuine Christianity is measured by how deeply believers love each other.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Reorienting “Normal” – The Authority of Scripture

Timestamp: 00:33–04:26

• Rob and Sarah open with gratitude for God’s word, emphasizing that cultural norms shouldn’t define Christian life—Scripture should.
  • “It's so easy to just do what's popular…and stay away from things that people would say, that's weird. But then when you look at the Bible, you go, no, this is. That's not weird. What's weird is what everyone else is doing.” – Sarah (01:05)
• The importance of church traditions rooted in thousands of years of biblical faith, not trends or new ideas.
  • “We come here for the exact opposite. To say, what have believers in Yahweh, God believed in for thousands of years?” – Rob (02:19)
• Lessons from reading the Book of Numbers about complaining and respect for authority:
  • “You read the Book of Numbers, you're like, I better not complain about anything. Like, God hates complaining.” – Sarah (03:06)
  • Recalling the story of Aaron, Miriam, and Moses to highlight the importance of not speaking ill of others.

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2. Abiding in Jesus’ Love—The Foundation

Timestamp: 05:11–07:34

• Francis focuses on John 15:9:
  • “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.”
• He stresses that this is the core and starting point of Christian faith: resting and remaining in Christ’s personal love for each follower.
  • “Let's not complicate Christianity... Just remain in that love.” – Rob (05:27)
  • “Have you been living in his love this week?... Why do I think about anything else?” – Rob (07:01)
• Memorable moment: Francis urges listeners to prioritize Jesus’ love over any other news or life circumstance:
  • “I don’t care what good news you got this week. It’s not better than this.” – Rob (06:34)

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3. Obedience and Joy—God’s Commands Lead to Life

Timestamp: 07:34–11:32

• Emphasizes that keeping Jesus’ commands is not burdensome but the pathway to joy.
  • “These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full.” – Sarah (08:30, quoting John 15:11)
• Challenges the worldly mindset that views God’s laws as restrictive.
  • “The world is teaching us that submitting to these commands…let’s break these chains…And what God is saying, my commands lead to life.” – Rob (09:04)
• Francis uses the Ten Commandments as examples—honesty, fidelity, non-violence—painting a picture of a society transformed by God’s ways.

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4. The Singular Commandment—Loving One Another Like Christ

Timestamp: 11:32–18:22

• Jesus distills his commandment to one: “Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 15:12)
  • “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.” – Rob (12:02)
• Draws connections to Matthew 22, stressing that every law and prophetic teaching hinges on love for God and neighbor.
• Francis applies the “as I have loved you” standard to church life—not just friendly gestures but sacrificial, self-giving love:
  • “He’s not talking about us just showing up and being willing to sit through a service together, give each other a hug, high five... He calls us to the standard: I want you to love one another just as you watched me love you... I'll actually die for you.” – Rob (15:12)
• Memorable moment: Francis reflects on whom in his church family he’d die for, expressing the depth of love Jesus expects:
  • “That’s the church. I would die for you…this is what he’s calling us to, that level of love.” – Rob (16:00–17:00)

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5. Redefining “Church”—Beyond Attendance to Radical Community

Timestamp: 18:22–23:01

• Strong critique of “church as service attendance”—no biblical precedent for passive, spectatorship-style Christianity.
  • “Show me someone with perfect church attendance that would go to a building, sit through a service—that was not church. The church was a group of people.” – Sarah (18:22)
• Francis reads Acts 2: the early church was a devoted, sharing, caring community:
  • “They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers... had all things in common.” – Rob (19:04)
• Challenges listeners to let go of cultural assumptions and become like the early church:
  • “This is Christianity. This is his command. Singular. Love each other like I loved you, man. What do you need?” – Sarah (21:57)
• Francis models his own journey of daily asking God for a supernatural, others-centered love.

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6. Jesus’ Sacrifice as the Template for Community

Timestamp: 23:10–26:08

• Recounts the gospel: Jesus died so his followers could be forgiven, and expects disciples to love with that same self-giving spirit.
  • “He’s going to pay for everything on that cross. And Jesus saying, no one takes my life. I willingly give it... I want to die for you.” – Rob (24:10)
• The disciples’ courage in martyrdom (example: Stephen) springs from their conviction about Jesus’ resurrection and example.
  • “They all got martyred because they’re like, I’m not afraid anymore. Go ahead, kill me.” – Sarah (24:52)
• Francis insists love for God must overflow into sacrificial love for other Christians—cannot be separated.
  • “You can’t separate your love for God from your love for each other.” – Rob (26:08)

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7. A Vision for Radical Generosity and Unity

Timestamp: 27:23–29:03

• Cites Acts 4:32: radical unity, shared possessions, and an absence of need among believers as the church’s norm.
  • “No one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common... There was not a needy person among them.” – Sarah (27:42)
• Encourages revisiting the Bible’s account of church life, not inherited traditions.
  • “Show me from this book what the church ought to be like.” – Rob (28:59)

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8. Self-Giving Love Brings True Joy

Timestamp: 29:03–31:08

• Acknowledges the challenge of self-denial but returns to Jesus’ promise—such love leads to fullness of joy.
  • “My commands lead to life. I wrote this so that my joy could be in you and your joy could be made full. Selfishness doesn’t lead to life.” – Rob (29:50)
• Concludes with an exhortation for the church to care for each other practically and radically, without overcomplicating Christ’s simple, singular command.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let’s not complicate Christianity. Just remain in that love.” – Rob (05:27)
• “If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.” – Sarah, quoting John 15:10 (07:34)
• “This is my commandment…that you love one another as I have loved you.” – Rob, quoting John 15:12 (11:53)
• “He’s not talking about us just showing up and being willing to sit through a service together... He calls us to the standard…I’m going to die for you.” – Rob (15:12)
• “Show me someone with perfect church attendance that would go to a building, sit through a service—that was not church. The church was a group of people.” – Sarah (18:22)
• “No one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own…but they had everything in common.” – Sarah, quoting Acts 4:32 (27:42)
• “Selfishness doesn’t lead to life. That’s when you just let go and go, whatever... We got you... Love each other like I loved you.” – Rob (29:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:33–04:26 – The authority of Scripture vs. cultural norms
• 05:11–07:34 – Abiding in Jesus’ love as foundation
• 07:34–11:32 – Obedience, joy, and the goodness of God’s commands
• 11:32–18:22 – Jesus’ single “new” commandment and sacrificial love
• 18:22–23:01 – Redefining church: from attendance to deep community
• 23:10–26:08 – Jesus’ sacrifice and gospel-driven community
• 27:23–29:03 – Vision for radical generosity and the early church in Acts
• 29:03–31:08 – True joy through self-giving love

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Final Takeaway

Francis Chan powerfully re-centers the definition of “following Jesus” around active, all-encompassing love for fellow believers. He urges the audience to reject shallow religious routines, urging them to embrace the sacrificial, life-sharing, radical love modeled by Jesus and the early church—reminding listeners that in God’s economy, true obedience and deep joy flow from loving others as Christ has loved us.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

Welcome to the Crazy Love Podcast. What does it actually look like to obey Jesus? Is it just showing up to a service or something more? Today, Francis brings us back to Jesus Command. Love one another as I have loved you. A love that shares sacrifices and refuses to let anyone stand alone. This is the kind of obedience that defined the early church, and it's the kind of love that sets God's people apart.

[Rob]

Today,

[Sarah]

This morning, I.

[Rob]

I was just thanking God for his word again. We were talking with a couple in the back and just talking about, it's

[Sarah]

so good to have this.

[Rob]

You know, sometimes we forget how precious

[Sarah]

this is, because otherwise it's so easy

[Rob]

to just do what's popular and what

[Sarah]

everyone else says is normal and to stay away from things that people would say, that's weird, that's weird, that's weird. But then when you look at the Bible, you go, no, this is. That's not weird. What's weird is what everyone else is doing. In light of the fact that there's this God who says, this is my word, we've got to stop looking at the world, what everyone else is doing. Like, just clear your mind of that, of what's the norm. And look at this book. This book is so good because it just tells us this is truth. Okay, Anything that I've been thinking this

[Rob]

week, who knows whether it's true or

[Sarah]

not, whatever's been going through your mind, whatever you were brought up with, like, everyone's going to have a different opinion. But for thousands of years, years, people have held onto these words. And so we come together saying, we're

[Rob]

not here to listen to a person. We're attaching ourselves to thousands of years of history.

[Sarah]

What if people said all through the

[Rob]

millennia about truth, about God that they've held onto? What? Rather than trying to create something new? Okay, we live in the Silicon Valley and it's all about startups and come up with a new idea, but we come here for the exact opposite. To say, what have believers in Yahweh, God believed in for thousands of years?

[Sarah]

I mean, wasn't it good to read through the Book of Numbers and the

[Rob]

Book of Acts the last couple of weeks?

[Sarah]

I mean, when you read through numbers,

[Rob]

see, right now, everyone complains, but you

[Sarah]

read the Book of Numbers, you're like,

[Rob]

I better not complain about anything. Like, God hates complaining.

[Sarah]

Like, that's why I try to live my life. Just like, I don't want to complain about anything. Everything's good.

[Rob]

Everything's good.

[Sarah]

You know why?

[Rob]

Because the Bible says that's what should be normal, not what everyone else does. And it's like everyone else hates authority, rebels against authority.

[Sarah]

I read the Book of Numbers.

[Rob]

I'm like, okay, I better not rebel against authority.

[Sarah]

I better not talk bad. You know, we were reading that story about Aaron and Miriam talking about Moses and his wife, and God says, you're

[Rob]

going to talk about Moses?

[Sarah]

Are you kidding me? You're going to talk about Moses? Do you know my relationship with Moses?

[Rob]

And then he strikes her with leprosy. I'm like, okay, I'm going to be careful what I say about Rob.

[Sarah]

You know, love you. Love you, Sarah. You guys are great. You belong together. You know, it's just. Let me just be careful with the. This is our standard. And so I want to share a

[Rob]

verse, a bunch of verses with you today. And again, remember, we don't want to be all about a sermon.

[Sarah]

We want to be people who tremble at God's word. And for too long, church has been about, oh, that was a good sermon. That was a good sermon.

[Rob]

No, it's about a great promise.

[Sarah]

It's about great commands.

[Rob]

It's about the.

[Sarah]

You know what he said? And if a voice from heaven says these things, then we all need to tremble. Me included. We're just all going, oh, that's what you said. I've been thinking about these verses, and I came here thinking about these verses and making sure I try my best

[Rob]

to obey these verses.

[Sarah]

Okay, in John 15, 9.

[Rob]

Beautiful verse. This is Jesus speaking.

[Sarah]

As the Father has loved me, so

[Rob]

have I loved you. Abide in my love. Just focus on those words. Picture Jesus himself standing here and saying this to you. Jesus in the perfect relationship with God the Father. And picture Jesus saying to you, just as the Father, the perfect Father, has loved me, that's how I love you now. Just abide. Just live inside that love. Just remain in that love. You guys, let's not complicate Christianity. Let's not complicate church.

[Sarah]

This is an amazing verse. I don't care what good news you got this week.

[Rob]

It's not better than this, okay?

[Sarah]

So just forget about everything else, all your problems, everything else Jesus is saying to you. Just as the fathers loved me, so

[Rob]

have I loved you. All I want you to do, just live in my love.

[Sarah]

Not a great command. Just remain.

[Rob]

Have you been living in his love this week? Think about this week. Have you just been abiding in his love? Like, it is so good to be loved by Jesus. It is so good that the one that spoke this earth into existence Loves me. Why do I think about anything else?

[Sarah]

This is at the core of what we believe. Just as the Father has loved me, so have I loved you.

[Rob]

Abide in my love.

[Sarah]

But then in verse 10, if you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. Okay, so some of you, you'll read that and go, oh, there's a catch to it.

[Rob]

If. Yeah, it's conditional.

[Sarah]

If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I've

[Rob]

kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

[Sarah]

I believe it's in John 8, where

[Rob]

Jesus says, I obey everything the Father tells me to do. And Jesus says that's part of this love relationship, is we obey his commandments. But I want you to see the next verse. Verse 11.

[Sarah]

These things I have spoken to you,

[Rob]

that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full. You have to believe something fundamental about God's commands.

[Sarah]

Why did Jesus give us his commands? Why does God give us commands?

[Rob]

Is it that, oh, there's the catch. There's the downside. We have to obey this book. And Jesus is saying, I'm telling you

[Sarah]

this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full. Okay, The Bible says, your commands are not burdensome. Your commands lead to life. Believing in God means, yeah, I believe everything he says. I believe his commands are good. The world is teaching us that submitting to these commands and these laws, it's like, man, let's break these chains. I just want to be me. You do you. I'll do me. We'll just, you know, just enjoy yourself and don't put yourself under this. And what God is saying, my commands lead to life. Why does God say, you shouldn't commit murder?

[Rob]

Was he saying, okay, I really want to ruin their lives? I'm going to give them these commands. Oh, this will kill them. Don't kill each other.

[Sarah]

Why does he command this? Why does he say, hey, don't bear. Don't lie to each other? Imagine a world with honesty. Imagine you read the news and you know it's true. Imagine you go on the Internet and everything you read was true. That'd be crazy. Imagine everyone that spoke to you was telling you the truth. Man, we're living in a time where you come to a gathering like this and you have to look at me and you go, man, I wonder if that guy is for real. Because there's so Many lies. And anytime, anyone. Why do we have contracts?

[Rob]

God's saying, man, don't bear false witness,

[Sarah]

don't kill each other, don't commit adultery. If you knew your marriage was just going to be faithful, just going to be you and your spouse. Thou shall not steal.

[Rob]

Why do we have cameras everywhere?

[Sarah]

He says, this would be such a bad. All of his commands lead to life. And so he says, look, if you love me, you'll obey what I command. You'll abide in my love if you obey what I command you. And then the next verse, this is

[Rob]

my commandment singular, that you love one another as I've loved you.

[Sarah]

Greater love has no one than this,

[Rob]

that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you.

[Sarah]

So earlier he says, abide in my love. And then he says, if you obey the commandments, my commandments, you'll abide in my love. But then here he says, this is my commandment singular. Isn't that interesting why he says that you love one another as I've loved you. This is very similar to remember when the Pharisees were asking Jesus in Matthew 22, verses 34 to like 40, they asked Jesus, hey, what's the greatest commandment?

[Rob]

And what does Jesus say? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.

[Sarah]

And then he says, the second is

[Rob]

like it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. And he says, on these two commands,

[Sarah]

hang all of the law and the prophets. But here in John after he says, hey, you want to abide in my love?

[Rob]

Obey my commandments. And here's my commandment. Love one another just as I've loved you. That's it

[Sarah]

again, let's not over complicate everything. Like if God could have it this

[Rob]

way his way today, we would have

[Sarah]

just shown up

[Rob]

deeply loving each other. That's what he cares most about. And sometimes we make church about so many other things. How was his sermon? How was the singing? You know, why is that lady holding a baby while she's singing?

[Sarah]

You know, we just, whatever.

[Rob]

Why are we outside?

[Sarah]

Why are we doing this? Why are we doing that? And we make it about all these things.

[Rob]

And God's going, why didn't you come and love each other the way that I loved you?

[Sarah]

Because that's my one. I gave you one commandment. I gave you one commandment. Love one another as I have loved you. And then he explains, he goes, think about how this is Jesus going, how have I loved you? Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. He's not talking about us just showing up and be willing to sit through

[Rob]

a service together, give each other a

[Sarah]

hug, high five, smile at each other,

[Rob]

have a sports day, play some games together.

[Sarah]

That's all good stuff.

[Rob]

But he calls us to the standard. He goes, I want you to love one another just as you watched me love you. And then he says, I, I'm going to die for you. I'm going to show you the greatest love. I'll actually die for you. And I've been meditating on this the last couple days, knowing that I was going to teach. I thought, wow, who would I die for in this group? Because that's what God's calling me to. I thought, well, I, I know I would die for my wife and my kids and most of my kids. No, no, I would die for my wife or my kids. Yeah. Just start thinking about people that it's, it's a no brainer. I thought, Al, I would die for Al in a second. And I believe he would die for me. And I started thinking, wow, that's pretty cool that I have confidence in a relationship that he would die for me. And I thought, yeah, I'd take a bullet for Rob easily. I would take it. And I believe you'd take it from me. I go, man, that's the church. That's church. I would die for you, Jason. I'd die for any of your kids, Zabala kids, any of them. In a second. I just started thinking about the love. I go, wow, I really would give my life. That's what he's called us to. And then I started thinking about other people. I go, yeah, Would I die for Diana? For Christine? Yeah, I would. God, I would give my life for Lem. I believe Lem would give his life for me. Like, wow, this is what he's calling us to, that level of love, you guys, this is why I can't just do services and call it church. Okay? This is why.

[Sarah]

It's because what I said in this book, look, some of you grew up with a certain type of thinking. And so it's hard once you grow up a certain way to get rid of that way of thinking where you were taught, oh, a good Christian goes to church. They go every Sunday to a church service. And so if you show up to that church service and you're faithful to it, man, good job. And you just feel like, oh, I've been obedient. This is why we read this book. Because you don't See anyone in this book doing that. That just became our culture. Show me someone with perfect church attendance that would go to a building, sit through a service that was not church. The church was a group of people. We've been reading the Book of Acts. Look at the Book of Acts. Acts, chapter two. Here's the church. With many other words, he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, save yourselves from this crooked generation. In other words, get out of this whole generation what's popular and everything else. Save yourself from it. So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about 3,000 souls. And they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching, to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. They devoted themselves, and awe came upon every soul. And many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. And all who believed were together and had all things, all things in common. They were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes. And they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having

[Rob]

favor with all the people.

[Sarah]

And the Lord added to their number,

[Rob]

day by day, those who are being saved.

[Sarah]

Okay, so here's the Bible. This is not the world. This is not American culture. This is not church as many of us were taught it. I'm saying church as we were taught. You won't find it in here. It's talking about this. See, when Jesus says, I want you to love each other as Christ loved me, he says that right before his death. Here's how the early church responded. They go, hey, Jesus told us to

[Rob]

love each other as Christ loved us.

[Sarah]

And Christ gave everything for us.

[Rob]

So, hey, what's mine is yours. I don't want anyone in need here. This is what God wants.

[Sarah]

This is why when I was just doing big church services, there was no peace in here. Once I started reading this, I'm like, this isn't all God wants of us. He wants us. This is Christianity. This is his command. Singular. Love each other like I loved you, man. What do you need? That's why when I showed up this morning, you know, when I'm. I'm leaving my house, you know, and I'm just going, God, help me. Help me to love, like, everyone I run into. Help me to love them as much as you love me. Help me to come with that mindset. Whenever I see believers, God, I want this because this isn't natural for me. I don't just naturally wake up and go, what does Everyone else want. I think of me. I go, God, I don't want to be like that. This is the one commandment

[Rob]

I want to be able to say I would die for you and that my stuff is your stuff.

[Sarah]

And that we could someday be that. That's why we meet together in homes,

[Rob]

because you got to know each other.

[Sarah]

You've got to have people that you just love to the point of death. Because that's how we put God's love on display to the world. I could preach about it. I can tell you right now, okay, and I will. That we've all broken his commandments. And yet he in return, even though we rebelled against him, he still loved us. And he loved us so much. He says, but I'm fair and I have to punish your sins. So he says, I'm going to have my son take the form of a man and he is going to pay because someone has to. This way I can be fair and yet I can still forgive you. And he's going to pay for everything on that cross. And Jesus saying, no one takes my life. I willingly give it. This is my choice. I want to die for you. And he dies on that cross so

[Rob]

we could be forgiven. He says, if you believe in me, if you can confess with your mouth

[Sarah]

that Jesus is Lord and you believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved.

[Rob]

That was his example.

[Sarah]

So I can preach that and say, look. And when he rose from the dead, that's when the disciples truly believed and

[Rob]

said, this really is the son of God.

[Sarah]

He just conquered death. And then they all gave their lives for the gospel.

[Rob]

They all got martyred because they're like, I'm not afraid anymore. Go ahead, kill me. This week we just read about Stephen, right, being stoned to death.

[Sarah]

He looks up into heaven, he goes,

[Rob]

like, I can see Jesus right now. Go ahead, throw the stones. Kill me. Angel says, father, forgive them. They don't know what they're doing. Go ahead, kill me. And they said his face was like the face of an angel, just going, I'm not afraid. It's all good. God, don't hold this against them. Amazing.

[Sarah]

See the early believers, see, I can preach that. But God says, what I want you to do is put that on display. Just like on that upper room when he started washing the disciples feet. He didn't say, now come wash mine everyone.

[Rob]

He goes, no, wash each other's feet. That's why he says, this is my commandment.

[Sarah]

That's why he says that second commandment is like the first. You can't separate your love from God,

[Rob]

from your love for each other. You can't do that. I can't say, oh, I love God. I just can't stand Kelly. That doesn't make any sense. God lives in Kelly. How could I hate her? I gotta love her like Christ loved the church. I go, what do you need? You know, anything you need. We got you, we got you. We want to be family to you. Anything you need how? Whatever you need. The early church understood that that's what church is. Why do we call this we are church? Because we don't want this to be a place you attend and show up to and go, ooh, I went to church. No one went to church in the Bible. That's our generation that came up with this.

[Sarah]

They were a group of people. They were a family.

[Rob]

I wouldn't let any of my kids go hungry. And in the same way, as long

[Sarah]

as I've got means, I'm not going

[Rob]

to let any of you go hungry. We should all have that attitude.

[Sarah]

We'll go to Acts, chapter four. Look at this. Acts, chapter four, verse 32. Now the full number, the full number of those who believed were of one heart and one soul. And no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own. But they had everything in common and with great power. The apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of land or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold

[Rob]

and laid at the apostles feet. And it was distributed to each as any had need when you grew up. Is that what people told you? That's what church is? See again, that's why we read this book. This is why we encourage you all. This is why we read through the

[Sarah]

Bible every year together, is because otherwise we're just going to do what everyone else does. But we're saying no, read this. Show me, show me from this book

[Rob]

what the church ought to be like.

[Sarah]

Okay, don't show me from all my mom says you just go for an hour every week and you know, or maybe, you know, just Easter and Christmas, whatever. No, show me from this book.

[Rob]

Where is Easter and Christmas?

[Sarah]

You know, it's like, what, what, what does this say?

[Rob]

I want this.

[Sarah]

I, I, this is, this is what I've wanted.

[Rob]

And Jesus, this will make your joy complete. Look, I get it in the flesh. I can wake up and go, oh man, I gotta love people as much as Christ loved me.

[Sarah]

It does feel like a downer sometimes.

[Rob]

But then you gotta go back to God's word. He's like, no, these words will lead to life. My commands lead to life. I wrote this so that my joy could be in you and your joy could be made full. Selfishness doesn't lead to life. That's when you just let go and go, whatever, everything. Ashish, Lydia, Yogas. Ever need anything. We got you, you know, Kevin, whatever. We got you. We take care of you. It's just. This is it. Sonia, Nathan, whatever. I know I just met you, but whatever. You don't have a job. You can. I got you. It's just. We'll figure it out. God says, this is what I want. Love each other that deeply. Love each other like I loved you. Let's not over complicate this.

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