The Epstein Survivors | THEIR Stories Being Told by THEM

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Episode: The Epstein Survivors | THEIR Stories Being Told by THEM

Hosts: Stephanie Harlowe and Derrick Levasseur
Guests: Courtney Wild, Haley Robson, Jennalisa Jones (Epstein Survivors)
Date: June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this powerful episode, Stephanie Harlowe and Derrick Levasseur create a platform for three survivors of Jeffrey Epstein—Courtney Wild, Haley Robson, and Jennalisa Jones—to share not only their stories but, crucially, their ongoing fight for real justice and reform. Rather than revisiting the graphic details of their abuse, the discussion is centered on survivor advocacy, legal challenges, legislative efforts, community education, and the systemic failures still hampering true accountability for Epstein’s crimes and his network. The episode is a call to action urging listeners to support survivor-led change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Survivor Introductions & Missions ([00:01]–[03:17])

• Courtney Wild: Board member of Survivors Inc., using her experience to campaign for better education in schools and support for other survivors. Prison was a turning point for her healing.

  • Quote: “My goal is to educate...because in Palm Beach County this happened in our school systems." ([00:46])

• Haley Robson: Abused by Epstein for two years as a teenager, silenced for 17. Now public with her story to “embarrass those men” responsible and push back against government efforts to drop or ignore the investigation.

  • Quote: “For me personally, I want to embarrass those men as much as I can. I think the shame and guilt should 1000% be on the perpetrators...” ([01:43])

• Jennalisa Jones: Became a mother at 18, which motivated her to advocate for protecting the next generation. Helped found Survivor’s Inc.; highlights lack of meaningful prosecution and government inaction.

  • Quote: “We have the president's attention right now, yet nothing is happening with this. And there's only one person in jail right now for it.” ([02:13])

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2. Parenting, Bodily Autonomy, and Prevention ([04:27]–[05:43])

• Hosts discuss the dangers of teaching children “automatic obedience” to adults, stressing the need to prioritise children's instincts and bodily autonomy.
• Survivors' experiences inform their parenting, making them more vigilant and explicit about consent with their own kids.
  • Quote: “We don't train them to listen to their instincts. This isn't wrong.” — Stephanie ([04:40])
  • Quote: “I don't teach my daughter that...Parenting looks very different when you've been through things that we've been through.” — Haley ([05:15])

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3. The 2008 Non-Prosecution Agreement ([07:40]–[14:19])

• Survivors detail how they were never consulted when backdoor immunity was given to Epstein and key facilitators, including co-conspirators and even individuals who recruited victims.
• Eyewitness insight into how victim-blaming, legal loopholes, and active collusion protected powerful people while shaming and even criminalizing survivors.
  • Quote: “They tried to indict me on charges...They said, this girl's a victim. What are...this doesn’t fit.” — Haley ([07:43])
  • Quote: "Jeffrey Epstein's plea deal was absolutely a disgrace and an embarrassment and they need to drag Alex Acosta by his balls, drag him back in." — Haley ([09:38])
• The survivors point out the justice system prioritized protecting “the adults that not only abused us but were complicit.”
• Stephanie and Derrick emphasize the systemic nature of such coverups, which go beyond party lines or single bad actors—highlighting a network of influence designed to protect the powerful.

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4. Systemic Complicity and Accountability Gaps ([13:24]–[16:47])

• Discussion turns to why accountability is so rare for government officials or powerful individuals.
• Survivors and hosts agree it’s not a failure of laws on paper, but a result of active shielding, cherry-picking of facts or evidence, and purposeful exclusion of victims from legal process.
• Derrick underscores how “deals” are often struck at high levels without consulting even the lead investigator, let alone the victims.
  • Quote: “As the lead investigator, I'm not even consulted on it. Multiple times, I had full fights with the AG's office, like, 'What are we doing here?'” — Derrick ([16:06])

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5. The Fight for Transparency & Unredacted Files ([17:16]–[20:53])

• Hosts and survivors express frustration about the limited, curated release of Epstein documents—pointing out victims’ names and photos were left unredacted, but high-profile perpetrators’ identities were still protected.
  • Quote: “They didn't redact my name once...But it's just...I've been forced to come out in public, so here I am.” — Courtney ([18:21])
  • Quote: “Everything that you guys are reading and seeing at face value in real time, they're doing the same. I'm doing the same. Nobody gave us a heads up. It was just outed.” — Haley ([20:07])
  • Quote: “If they release those 2.5 million files...people are going to be able to put the rest of the pieces together. Everything that we're seeing is very deliberate, and it goes back to the system that we're up against.” — Haley ([20:53])

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6. Impact, Ongoing Costs, and the Importance of Support ([21:34]–[26:43])

• Survivors emphasize the personal and intergenerational toll of coming forward: families, children, and entire support systems are affected.
  • Quote: “It comes at such a great cost to us, but the cost that comes to our family...And our husbands and we're reliving our trauma every day." — Jennalisa ([25:45])
• The network of survivors, especially through Survivors Inc., is both a support system and a source of hope and healing.
  • Quote: “There's such a beautiful bond when all the survivor sisters get together.” — Courtney ([26:40])
• The pain is ongoing, as many “survivor sisters” remain missing, in active addiction, or lost to suicide, highlighting the need for compassion, not just attention or advocacy.
  • Quote: “Don’t ever be the reason why somebody pulls the trigger on their life.” — Haley ([25:27])

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7. Calls to Action: Legislation and Community Support ([27:12]–[28:43])

• Survivors Inc. offers life coaching and support for survivors, especially those re-entering society after incarceration.

• The podcast urges listeners to donate, offer support, and most importantly, advocate for the Courtney Wild Crime Victims Rights Act Reform—pushing for a system where victims have seats at the table when life-altering deals are made.

  • Quote: “Write letters, send emails and contact Congress and let them know that you want to see the Courtney Wild Crime Victims Rights Act reform 2019 go through, because it’s still up in the air.” — Courtney ([28:10])

• Derrick and Stephanie remind listeners that justice for survivors should mean involvement in critical decisions, not just perfunctory notifications after the fact.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On government complicity:
  “They’re all kind of in it together because they have the money, they have the power, which is exactly what we saw with Jeffrey Epstein.” — Stephanie ([15:39])
• On disclosure and shame:
  “It’s empowering for me to be like, Okay, I was 14 years old with braces on my face when you sexually abused me. And just to know I was able to take that mother down later on in life, you know?” — Courtney ([22:54])
• On survivor network:
  “We’re proud of you.” — Haley to Courtney ([23:05])
• On societal change:
  “Remember that we’re humans, like Courtney said.” — Haley ([25:00])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:01 | Survivor introductions & backgrounds | | 04:27 | Prevention, consent, and education for children | | 07:40 | The 2008 Epstein non-prosecution agreement & justice system failures | | 13:24 | Systemic corruption & unwillingness to hold powerful actors accountable | | 17:16 | Transparency Act, document redactions, and media manipulation | | 21:34 | Personal & collective cost of advocacy, survivor network | | 27:12 | How to support: donations, legislation, and spreading awareness | | 28:09 | Courtney Wild Crime Victims Rights Act Reform explained |

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Action Items & Resources

• Support Survivors Inc.: Visit thesurvivors.org for resources, donations, and survivor support programs.
• Legislative Advocacy: Contact Congress to support the Courtney Wild Crime Victims Rights Act Reform 2019.
• Educate: Share survivor stories and push for educational programs for youth on consent and abuse prevention.
• Practice Compassion: Remember survivors and their families continue to pay a high personal cost—be mindful and supportive.

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Podcast Tone

The tone alternates between raw vulnerability, righteous anger, and determined hope. Survivors, with frank authenticity, share their journeys of pain, resilience, and ongoing battles, while the hosts amplify and validate their calls for change.

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In Summary

This episode puts survivor voices front and center—not as objects of pity, but as leaders, educators, and activists pushing society and the justice system towards greater accountability. It offers a rare, unfiltered look at the real costs of coming forward, the ongoing fight for justice, and the specific legislative and cultural reforms needed to prevent future abuses of power.

Transcript

[A]

Hi Purdy Wild.

[B]

I'm a survivor of Jennifer Epstein. I was sexually abused and groomed by him from the ages of 14 to 17. I found myself at a very dark place at that time. Fast life, drugs, anything to kill the pain I suffered with addiction. I also found myself in prison, which changed my life and saved my life. I'm very grateful for that experience. I am a board member of the Survivors Inc. A founding member. We are trying to help survivors help survivors. My goal is to educate especially because in Palm beach county this happened in our school systems. So we're trying to coordinate and work with our, our school systems down south to create a video or some type of just educational informative for our children.

[C]

My name is Haley Robson. I was abused and in Jeffrey's orbit from 16. I was there for about two years. For 17 years I was threatened into silence. I was shamed into silence. So for 17 years I decided to keep to myself and not speak out. 2019, 2020, my therapist and I decided to on a state level and a very public level, we started educating the public on my story, on my narrative, what had happened to me and my abuse with Jeffrey. What where we're at now is you're kind of in this place of confusion. Do you keep going forward if there's no end game? And like what is the end game? What does that look like for any of us when we are being told by members of Congress, we are being told by our government drop, we're not going to indict, there's no investigations. Everybody's goals different. For me personally, I want to embarrass those men as much as I can. I think that the shame and guilt should 1000 me on the perpetrators and the adults that not only abused us but were complicit in the COVID Hi,

[A]

my name is Jennalisa Jones and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. When I was just 14 years old, for years I can say anything to anybody and I carried a lot of weight and shame, guilt. And finally at 18, I got pregnant with my first child. And I think that was like a really light switching experience for me. Becoming a mother and wanting to be that person that nobody was for me. And every big ending is about protecting the next generation and the next kids and, and educating and all that. And so we started the Survivor's Inc. And we founded that and we have worked really, really hard. You know, we're still just getting up off the ground. But the strides that we've made and the people and the younger generation that we've already touched is just so beautiful. And we have the attention of the government, we have the attention of the Congress matters, we have the president's attention right now, yet nothing is happening with this. And there's only one person in jail right now for it. So.

[C]

And it's a woman.

[A]

And it's a.

[C]

Let's point that out.

[A]

Yeah. So I think our goal is to just put these bad people away so that they don't continue to do this. They're finding better ways, better tactics, and they're still doing the same things that they were doing to us 20 something years ago.

[D]

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Crime Weekly. I'm Stephanie Harlow.

[E]

And I'm Derek Levasseur.

[D]

As you heard from the Internet intro, we're here with Courtney Wilde, Haley Robson and Jenna Lisa Jones, three survivors of Jeffrey Epstein. And today, because we already know who they are and what they went through, we're talking about where we go from here. How do we move forward and how do we find actual justice for these survivors and everybody like them.

[E]

Yeah. For me personally, hearing your stories and hearing about how basically your experience in this was an afterthought when deals were being made behind closed doors without any consultation from any of you is a complete miscarriage of justice. Unfortunately, we can't change that. Hoping by you guys coming out and speaking about it, it changes it for survivors in the future. That's the goal here. We wanted you to hear directly from them, not from us talking about it. We can in no way, shape or form express what they've gone through, what they're continuing to go through, and the courage it takes to do what they're doing.

[D]

And you're all continuing to work together with legislators to try and change laws and try to change these things, in fact, was just a hearing in May, correct? Yes, yes. So we want to talk a lot about that. So let's get started.

[E]

I think something you bring up which is so important and we try to really emphasize it on Crime Weekly is education information informing the next generation. We just recently interviewed Elizabeth Smart and we both have daughters. I have a third child.

[D]

We have, we have very young daughters. And, and I mean, I have an older daughter who's in her 20s. But we talked about this with Elizabeth Smart. How we train our children to obey adults, respect adults, obey adults. We don't train them to listen to their instincts. This isn't wrong. We don't even allow them to say, oh, I don't want to hug this family member or kiss this family member, but we should Be. I mean, we do, right?

[E]

We condition them almost like, oh, you don't like your uncle, your aunt, but

[D]

that's your uncle, that's your aunt. You know, give them a kiss when you leave.

[A]

No, it's a consent.

[D]

We're teaching them they don't have bodily autonomy and that's.

[C]

I don't teach my daughter that because. And I think that it's. Parenting looks very different when you've been through things that we've been through and you've been, you know what's out there. Traumatized in a way. So you know how these predators work. You know the tactics they use, they know the things that they're saying. And so you try to apply that to your parenting. Like I have to stay away from those words or those phrases or those verbiage or those, those language. I have to use this instead. Or yeah, it's. It can be tricky.

[D]

Oh yeah. But it's a very important. It's really nice that you all kind of have said similar things like it's the next generation and it's. You didn't have that. I didn't have that. It was a very different world and it's a lot of internalizing. I did something self blaming. But we have to move away from that with the next generation of young girls and boys because we know that, that it's, it's both the children are victimized. No matter who they are or where they come from, they will be victimized and sometimes it is family members. So we really have to be careful to let our children know. Nothing you're uncomfortable with. Will you be forced to do so? It's so important and we really appreciate that. Now I want to Talk about the 2008 non prosecution agreement because that's a very hotspot here because it's kind of where everything started and I think where we as the public looked at what happened there and said something's going on. This is not normal, this does not happen. Now, in general, I will say that sex crimes against women and children usually aren't prosecuted to the extent they should be anyways. Right. So you'll see somebody get 15 years, they'll be out in five, something like that, but they're going to prison. Jeffrey Epstein's going home to work, he's emailing people, you know, he's having conversations and living a pretty normal life. All but he acted like it was just the worst thing that had ever happened to him. Right. So. But it's. He's got a comfortable life still. He's serving very little time. And in this non prosecution agreement, he's making it so that other people in his orbit are also getting immunity, which is not something you typically see. So when you found out about this and you realized that this agreement had been made without consulting the people and the women and children that he had victimized, what was your initial reaction?

[C]

Mine was very different from everybody else.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I went in front of a grand jury. I was one of the only victims that went in front of a grand jury. And I don't want to get too much into it, but what they tried to do to me and what they dropped and what they did to Jeffrey, the, the crime and the punishment didn't suit some. It didn't fit. And then to drag me into this, a child victim and then give the adult co conspirators bargains and plea deals, even the men. This is why I pointed out that Ghislaine was a woman. There are men. I was recruited by a 20 year old male, not even a victim. He wasn't a victimized. A 20 year old male that recruited me and they never opened an investigation into him, they never questioned him, they never the way that I got dragged in to a grand jury. So they tried to indict me on charges and they, they decided not to because with the evidence that was produced, they said this girl's a victim. What are like this is doesn't fit. So I was very upset when I found out that he not only got a prosecution agreement, but that there were four co conspirators that were enabling his abuse at that time and that were all also guaranteed immunity, including Ghislaine. I think that when Jeffrey had passed away, the it's a free for all slate's clean. We got to reback, we got to go back. It's the least the government can do. I was mortified. I couldn't believe, I couldn't believe the audacity after what we got called prostitutes and whores. When you can't you, you as a child, not only can you not consent to sex, you can't consent as a child to commercial sex trade. Trafficking is part of the commercial sex trade. So when people say, oh they're recruiters, there's this, there's that. Children are protected by laws because of coercive control from adults like Jeffrey Epstein. His plea deal was absolutely a disgrace and an embarrassment and they need to drag Alex Acosta by his balls, drag him back in.

[D]

Something similar is happening in Mexico right now.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And I'm following that and I find it very.

[B]

With the crime victims.

[A]

Right, Zach?

[D]

Huh. Really odd that the state's attorney there is kind of doing the same thing that they're demanding. Yes, it seems to be that they're demanding like, we need an investigation into this. And it seems like they're just sort of doing something public facing, but not really doing anything at all. And it's shocking when you look at the timeline. When you look at the timeline where it seemed like, okay, they're going to go ahead and prosecute and they're going to do it to the full extent that they're allowed, and then suddenly something shifted. What do you think it was that shifted? I mean, our government, our government, our government would crumble.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Pambani said it herself. She said, if we go after these people, our government will fall.

[D]

Is that a bad thing?

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

It needs to happen. Clear house.

[E]

Start over.

[D]

Start fresh. Burn it all down.

[A]

Burn it. You know, and it wouldn't be the first time that our government has had to do something, you know, like, do. Do what you have to do.

[E]

Accountability when the people investigating are potentially involved.

[C]

I can't.

[B]

That's why over time, like, even with me going to prison, I had such an issue with law enforcement my whole life, no risk. I, I don't trust you. And it actually almost triggers. So I moved into a neighborhood and my neighbor was a cop. Just like, psychologically, I'm okay now.

[D]

But like that you're okay.

[B]

She's like, I don't trust you. And I'm like, no, no, I'm good now.

[E]

Yeah, me neither.

[B]

No, but I wanted to touch on in 2008. It was just so crazy because I found Brad Edwards, my attorney, and yeah, we started going after them. You know, it was so confusing because the feds were coming and questioning us. And then he took the state charges. You know, just, I thought that there was a federal case on me for the investigation they're doing, but they eliminated us. He took those charges and then everybody was covered who was, you know, complacent in the crimes. And it, to me, it was just crazy because the, the government sent me letters that my attorney has, please, please be patient. And this is going to be a lengthy process. But, but we are, you know, we're doing everything we can to put this man behind bars. At that point, when they sent me that letter, the non prosecution agreement was already signed and sealed. So they were buying time. They did everything that they could to keep us in the Dark. I went to court for the CVRA. I would say probably 2016. And we got to see emails. And the emails is literally, Jeffrey, his lawyers and the state prosecutors and the feds, Alex Acosta, they meet all over Starbucks personal settings, at their houses, and they're literally orchestrating on how they're gonna get him off on the least amount of time, literally. Are you okay with this amount of time in the emails? So, for me, that there's no accountability that Barry Krisher, the state prosecutor, Alex Acosta, the federal. What was he?

[C]

Attorney.

[B]

State's attorney.

[D]

Why?

[B]

There's got to be accountability there. Why isn't there?

[C]

He doesn't feel like he did anything wrong, though, even now.

[E]

Like, they never do.

[C]

They never do. And he says, like, I remember when he was forced to resign, the argument was, he didn't do anything criminal. It was moral. Okay, well, you have to have a moral standing for you to be in the position you're in.

[E]

Hello.

[D]

Also, when the people who are making the laws make sure there's loopholes so that what they do is making sure that they're not doing anything criminal. This is a system that has no checks and balances. So at the end of the day, do you believe that there was one person that sort of came in and made a change, or do you think it was just a collective agreement of, like you said, there was more victims, and you think they just stopped at one point, they're like, this is.

[A]

I do.

[D]

This is getting too big. We. We don't really want to even know how deep this goes.

[E]

You said it earlier. Complacency, just like, being complicit in the whole thing.

[C]

There were 40 minors. Think of it this way. There were 40 minors, and you only presented, I think, four or five of them to the grand jury. And I said this when I did Shannon Cake about six years ago, five years ago, I said to her, had there been 40 minors presented to the grand jury, as there should have been, this conversation wouldn't be happening, because he wouldn't be out of prison. He'd be there for life.

[D]

And we want to be very clear, this doesn't. And it shouldn't be a political thing, because even though it involves our government, and I've said this for a long time, honestly, since Edward Snowden, I've kind of been a person who's like, listen, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. Behind closed doors, they're all drinking scotch and smoking cigars together and, you know, cheer, cheering themselves to you. Know how great they've been at keeping the facade up. And it really is a facade. Now. That doesn't mean there aren't good people in government who want to make a change, but the system itself is preventing that from happening. So there's small cogs in a machine that's been built to basically shield a certain amount of people and a certain type of person and everybody else, even though we're the voters and we're supposed to be making the decision decisions. This is all a facade. We don't make the decisions, we don't have a say. And it's the biggest, I think, sham in history at this point, that we are still led to believe we have control. You gave me chosen because we don't. And it has nothing to do with. I am a Republican, I'm a Democrat. They're all kind of in it together because they have the money, they have the power, which is exactly what we saw with Jeffrey Epstein. What he needed and wanted was money, power, influence, the right connections, making sure he had his hand in every pot, whether it was education, government, banking. He needed to make sure he had people in all these areas so that if anything ever came up in those areas, he had help or he had protection. And this is what they're all doing. It's all a networking thing.

[E]

It's not even just at the federal level. It's at the state level. Even as a detective, I know working cases, you put the work in to get the guy, you build a strong case, you present it, and then all of a sudden there's a deal. And as the lead investigator, I'm not even consulted on it.

[B]

Really?

[E]

Oh, yeah. There were multiple times where I had full fights with the AG's office, and I'm like, what are we doing here? Why is there a deal need to be made? We got them. We don't need that. We don't need to talk to him. But, you know, there's other. Other things at play there, you know? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's just crazy to think that, like, when you have all this information, like Jeffrey was supposed to be on a federal level, they brought him back to the state. When you're saying at a federal level, when they're going for those charges, they have everything to put you away. They have it.

[B]

They don't.

[A]

They don't just be like, oh, we're going to investigate this on a federal level. They have him.

[B]

They had him.

[E]

That's why we convicted. It's 85 minimum sentencing because they got you dead directly.

[A]

So the Fact that it got moved back and forth is just.

[D]

I mean, it's enraging. And it's also enraging, I think, to see the general tone of. Of the community out there. America. Everyone's fighting about something stupid when if we could unite, they'd never have a chance.

[C]

But that's what we were trying to do.

[D]

Yeah. So when all the system's programs.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You can't.

[C]

Well, look at Thomas Massey.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Example of a broken system. He lost his seat.

[A]

Look what happened to Marjorie.

[D]

Our media and our social media. Social media and everything is designed to make us be mad at each other so that we don't see what they're doing. And it's enraging. And that's going to bring me to the Transparency act, because, I mean, listen, I've been on the Epstein thing for many years, and so when I heard these files were going to be released, I was like, all right, I'm so ready. Like, I've been waiting for this. And then they only released half. And so you were like, okay, well, that's a lot. That's millions of files. Maybe, you know, I'll take some time to go through this and then they'll release the rest of the. He kind of made it seem like that's what was going to happen, that that was the plan, and now the tone has changed where it's like. Actually, there doesn't seem to be any scheduled point where the rest of these files are going to be released. So what's in the rest of the files? Because we have these files here, and there's a lot of stuff in there. A lot of people in education, a lot of people falling because of this. But not the politicians, really. Right. Not the people who are in control making the laws. So as far as the transparency, I would say it's safe to say all three of you would like to see every single file released to the public.

[B]

Yeah. They didn't redact it. My name once.

[D]

Oh, I know. They redacted all of these other names.

[B]

To be honest, I don't even really. I try to stay out of the news, and I. The files. I know what part I played in it, so I haven't gone down that rabbit hole. But somebody mentioned that their name wasn't redacted, so I Googled my name, and sure enough, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, I mean, I'm out already. But it's just. We've heard testimonies just recently from girls, and they're like, you know, I've been forced to come out in public, so here I am.

[D]

You were a minor victim at the time, so technically your name should have been redacted.

[C]

Mine wasn't redacted from the very beginning and it should have been.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

So from the very beginning, after I sat there, told him what he did did to me, it was never redacted. I play this back in my mind, I think about what could be left in those files. And I have an idea. And I can say that I know there's emails in those files. Oh, yeah, I know that. I'm sure more men. I'm sure more men are implicated in those files. I'm keeping my foot on their neck. I'm not letting the DOJ get away with this. I'm full speed. I'm not going to allow them. I don't care what embarrassing information is out there in those files. The men need to be embarrassed. The men need to be ashamed. The men need to be outed. I don't care if it's a simple micro penis comment. Everybody needs to be outed in those files. Because I can speak for myself and I think I can speak for the other women. The release and the unredaction was embarrassing to all of us as a nation. And you still covered for those. And the part that really gets me is just say it was deliberate. This it being an accident. There's no way you accidentally leaked photos. It wasn't even the names, it was the naked photos that I had an issue with. So I think we're all disgusted. And you have to remember too. I don't know if the public fully is aware. Everything that you guys are reading and seeing at face value in real time. They're doing the same. I'm doing the same. Nobody gave us a heads up. Nobody told us anything. It was just outed.

[D]

And everything we're reading and seeing has been carefully curated to fit a narrative. To fit a narrative. You're getting fragments and. And also, hey, we know what we're putting out. We're not just throwing it all out there. Half of it. It's the first half. It's second half. No, it's been gone through and cherry picked and handpicked.

[C]

But that's deliberate.

[D]

It's a deliberate.

[C]

It's a CIA tactic.

[D]

Everything's deliberate. And it's all propaganda. And it's all. What's the narrative right now that we need to continue doing what we're doing.

[C]

If they release those 2.5 million files are still sitting on, the narrative disappears. The Narrative no longer exists, because if those 2.5 million files are released, people are going to be able to put the rest of the pieces together. So everything that we're seeing is very deliberate, and it goes back to the system that we're up against. And when people say, well, where were they 20 years ago ago? Courtney was one of the first people.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

She worked her butt off to get to where she is today. And Brad and Britney, they work together on, if it wasn't for her, this wouldn't have had tractions.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If it wasn't for Courtney and the crime victim, there would be no traction. There would be nothing.

[D]

It's really nice how you all support each other.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And I did want to bring up, too, that I. I've been so. Like, we've lost a lot of survivor sisters, of course.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, ODs. A lot of ODs. You know, we actually have a survivor sister out on the streets here. She's been gone for five years, you know, so all this. These tablets are missing.

[E]

Nobody knows where she is.

[B]

She's here. And we. We think that we have a, like, Fremont just around here. So we're trying to bring her home on a little side quest while we're here. But the thing about it is, this is where Haley said this, like, please humanize us. You know, as much as we come up here and try to look like badasses and say, oh, we're fighting for transparency and honesty and we want to save the next generation, it's at a cost. And a lot of my survivor sisters were all at different healing stages, and they're. A lot of my survivor sisters are not making it out. You know, when I. When we walked last night looking for Shawna and I had seen those streets and how I know she's been living for the past five years, that broke me. And it's the government. This all started with the Epstein case and the trauma and the victim blaming and shaming and the detective and everybody tried to make us go away. So I think it. It's empowering for me to be like, Okay, I was 14 years old with braces on my face when you sexually abused me. And just to know I was able to take that mother down later on in life, you know?

[E]

Absolutely.

[C]

We're proud of you.

[B]

Thank you. I'm proud of myself. I'm honestly. It's been a story I've told where I haven't taken the credit, of course, for it.

[A]

I'm always reminding her that we just

[B]

did the meet and greet, and it

[A]

was like, it was so.

[B]

God, you guys are going to have me crying. It was so personal. And so it was so amazing because, like, we have real people supporting us. Being like, you don't, you know, you helped us teach our class and you gave us knowledge that we weren't. We didn't have access to.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

You know, and, yeah, they weren't.

[A]

They weren't grilling us in that meet and greet. It was like, you guys.

[E]

I mean, you guys are having an incredible impact. And listen, you guys all seem like straight shooters. Nothing will ever make up for what you experienced. I think you guys already know that. But what you're doing is even bigger than yourselves at this point.

[B]

Thank you.

[E]

You're leaving a lasting impact on the future generations. As a father myself of two daughters, you're protecting them, and you don't even know. So I think that's something that you have to carry with you. And I think you already know that, like, there's something bigger than yourselves at this point. You're representing so much more. You're representing a lot of women and men that you don't even know.

[D]

And it's hard. It's not easy work. Right? We all like to think we're going to be Aaron Brockovich, get out in the world, and we're threatened, and our kids are threatened, and there's people who hate us just simply for telling the truth. That makes them uncomfortable. And you. You wonder like, no, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help everybody. Why are you so mad at me? And a lot of people wouldn't be able to keep on that path, but you have. And so you're. It's so important, important that you do continue. And we will give you whatever help you need, whatever platform you need, whatever call to action you need. It's so important to make sure that the people who are brave enough and strong enough to continue on the path and do the mission are having. Are having the support, because you're not going to get it from a lot of places, unfortunately.

[C]

Just remember that we're humans, like Courtney said. Like, you know, this has been an incredible journey, and I have, like, absolutely no regrets for being public. I'm glad it happened the way it happened. I think there was a reason for it. But when you see women like Courtney Wild or Generalista Jones or myself or other girls of any abuse stand up there, understand that not only does it take a lot of courage, we have a whole life behind closed doors, and you have no idea what, what we're dealing with. Don't ever be the reason why somebody pulls the trigger on their life.

[D]

The Internet's a. A hard place. You stay away from it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You have to. Yes, Totally get it.

[A]

I also want to remind people that, like, not this comes out at such a great cost to us, but the cost that comes to our family.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And to our kids. And I really don't think that people remember that. That my teenage kids get. You know, they talk about us. They talk about us. They are talking about making and. And saying things. And yes, some are nice and some are not, and. And our husbands and we're re. We're reliving our trauma every day. And one thing clicks and, you know, it's like we're 14 again. So it's just that reminder. It's not just at the cost of us. It's at the cost of our family members and the people that are there for us every day. And I just so appreciative for our families and. And the people that we have in our corner. And I just want to remind the

[D]

world for each other. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[D]

This is the support system that you needed back then.

[B]

There's such a beautiful bond when all the survivor sisters get together. And what's crazy is so much alike, man. There's so. There's one girl spirit, specifically Ashanti Davies, that is like just every. She just does so many things like me, and it's just like, oh, man. Is there any.

[E]

Is there anywhere you want us to direct our audience as they're seeing this? There may be some of them being introduced to you guys for the first time. Something where they should go or if they're experiencing something. Is there anything. We'll obviously have links in all of our episodes, but anything specifically that you want them to be aware of?

[B]

The Survivors, Inc. We offer life coaching. We try to help with just like basic life tasks. For me, I try to focus on the prison. People have been incarcerated and want to reestablish relationship back with their kids. And you hear people go to prison and they go back because it's easier and they're not. They don't have support systems and all these things. So the survivors.org if you want to support us and make a donation, all the. All donations go to Survivors Assist Sexual Abuse.

[D]

So I think Criminal Coffee will make a donation.

[E]

We're gonna make a donation.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[E]

And also with the Crime Victims Rights act, obviously you're trying to change that. It's basically a just a piece of paper at this point, you want to have it so that those pre prosecution deals, those non prosecution deals, you guys, the victims are involved with that process. Where does that stand right now? Is there anything that our audience can do to support you on that, on that journey, on that fight? Is it going out?

[D]

Write letters, send emails.

[B]

Yep, write letters, send emails and contact Congress and let them know that you want to be a part of the change and you want to see the crime. Courtney Wild Crime Victims Rights act reform 2019 go through because it's still up in the air. It's a long man.

[E]

This would close that hole where instead of Jeffrey or people like him being making these backdoor deals that you guys were just discussing, the actual people affected by it would have a say in that.

[D]

Hopefully.

[E]

Yeah, there wouldn't be. They would have to be involved in that process. That would be the goal of this.

[C]

Know about it.

[B]

Absolutely.

[E]

That's. That's critical.

[D]

And we've kind of said similar things where we've talked about criminals and who've taken children, killed them and then.

[E]

Yeah, we have our personal opinions.

[D]

Yeah, we, we very vul. We're very protective of children, but. And how the family members really don't get a say in. In what happens and what justice looks like. And they should. And they absolutely, absolutely should. Right.

[E]

Justice looks like a room like this with just the parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

We appreciate you guys being here. It takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing. And we hope that everybody watching, listening right now follows their journey. They represent so much more than just you three. You're representing an entire community of people, not only in this particular case, but all of the cases involving all demographics. Exactly. That don't claim justice they deserve. So, so thank you so much.

[D]

I think your, your vulnerability is beautiful because I know that based on knowing your childhoods and, and how things happen, there was a time when you probably felt vulnerability was a risk and a place, a thing that you couldn't do because it wouldn't make you safe. And now after everything you've been through, you realize that that is your strength, the ability to connect with other humans and to show them that like, yes, we are just people and we feel things just like you. And it's okay to, to show that and express it. And it's. It's hard to come from where you were and to be able to be vulnerable and to tell your stories and to put yourself out there. So it's, it's very. I, I mean, I admire you guys a lot. We both do.

[E]

Thank you so much for doing this.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[E]

Thank you.

[D]

So that was obviously very impactful, very emotional. A great conversation with these three ladies than so much. Courtney, Haley and Jenna Lisa Jones. We really appreciate them taking the time. And we really hope that you guys listening out there and watching are as impacted as we have been by their words.

[E]

Yes. Please support them and all the survivors, especially the Crime Victims Rights Act. That is something that we can have an impact on. We want to have that amendment. We want to make that change so that people like them are considered before these remainders, ridiculous deals are made. We appreciate the love and support. We'll see you guys later this week.

[D]

Bye.