Session 5 ft Deante Kyle

Summary

Crissle’s Couch — Session 5 ft. Deante Kyle

Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Crissle (CAKE MEDIA)
Guest: Deante Kyle

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, insightful, and frequently humorous conversation between Crissle and Deante Kyle — creator and host of the Grits and Eggs podcast, well-known for his bracing social commentary and honest takes on culture, work, and life. They discuss Deante’s journey into education, social commentary, and fatherhood, the realities of working-class Black America, community and class solidarity, therapy and emotional growth, the complexities of internet fame, and the evolution and challenges of podcasting itself. Woven throughout are dispatches of lived Black experience, critiques of capitalism, and the importance of nuance and duality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Deante’s New York Experience & Identity

Timestamp: 00:39–02:41

• Crissle and Deante laugh about his NYC visits, Dallas BBQ’s famous sticky wings, and local “rites of passage.”
• Deante talks about his working-class roots (truck driving, hustling) and growing into fatherhood and community engagement.
• “I just, like, have very strong opinions. I'm working class, so I come out of driving trucks…a father…been in Black American studies and global African studies for the better part of 10 years…raised in a very, like, solution-oriented environment…” (Deante, 02:42)

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2. Catalyst for Becoming Socially Engaged

Timestamp: 03:51–07:57

• “Zeitgeist” film broke Deante away from Christian practice post-prison, spurred deeper study of Black sociopolitical history.
• Importance of Malcolm X’s autobiography, James Baldwin, John Henrik Clarke, Angela Davis, and the documentary “Hidden Colors.”
• “When motherfuckers is good with words, man, it's powerful. It really just like, it'll open your mind up.” (Deante, 06:46)

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3. On Fatherhood and Raising Black Children

Timestamp: 08:01–09:28

• Deante has three kids (14, 11, 7), emphasizes preparing them for adulthood, using "life lectures" to teach accountability.
• “I'm not talking to you as you are. I'm talking to you as you will be…I put it back on myself, like…when I wasn't taking care of my responsibilities…we got evicted.” (Deante, 08:50)

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4. Origins of His Commentary & Truck-Driver Philosophizing

Timestamp: 09:28–13:05

• Began sharing thoughts via social while truck driving during the pandemic — catalyzed by frustrations about work, compensation, and housing realities.
• Connects to the “quiet quitting” movement, critiques side-hustle culture and the commodification of every facet of working-class life.
• “I don’t wake up every day thinking about no money, bro…Why I can't just have my job, enjoy my time with my family, go on a vacation every now and then…” (Deante, 11:01)

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5. Class, Capitalism, Quiet Quitting, and Power

Timestamp: 12:12–20:49

• Discussion of work as transactional, power dynamics in management, and how class solidarity is undermined by aspiration and competition.
• Critiques "temporarily embarrassed millionaires," Law of Attraction, and the myth of universal “coming up.”
• “You won't be paid for your labor, but you will be paid in power…There’s always gonna be people that wanna feel in control of something.” (Deante, 12:12)
• Wealth and status symbols among the super-rich are lampooned; Jeff Bezos and Prime Day discussed hilariously.

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6. The Psychology of Urban Life & Social Aspiration

Timestamp: 19:34–21:36

• Urban experience: High stakes and psychological tolls of living near both extreme poverty and extreme wealth.
• “That is like the ethos of capitalism. Like, you have to be individualistic…If you think about it communally, you won't want to exploit nobody.” (Deante, 20:50)

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7. Wealth, Redistribution, and Socialism

Timestamp: 21:36–23:33

• Questions why the ultra-rich do not use money for societal benefit, critiques their role in perpetuating class divides.
• “Amongst themselves, they [the wealthy] are socialists…double dose of this capitalism, nigga.” (Deante, 18:57)

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8. Neurodivergence, Small Talk, and Social Dynamics

Timestamp: 23:15–27:02

• Playful conversation about neurodivergence, ADHD, the rise of “therapy speak,” and honesty/trauma dumping.
• "Stop trauma dumping!" (Deante, 25:29)
• Crissle jokes about being "too famous" or distractible for public transit and the hazards for internet personalities.

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9. Public Transit, Subsidies, and Politics

Timestamp: 27:02–28:05

• The MTA, fares, and urban policy: “The train should be free. It’s public transportation, should be free.” (Deante, 27:18)

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10. Romanticizing Crime & Ethic of Success

Timestamp: 28:14–32:04

• Saturation of media with glorified criminality. “You normalize criminal activity so long as it's not a black person.” (Deante, 28:33)
• Batman as a billionaire vigilante critiqued for not using wealth for community uplift.

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11. On Reactivity, Social Media & Content Creation

Timestamp: 33:14–36:50

• Deante’s approach: “I mostly just don't react to shit.” Pauses, reflects before responding, gauges perspectives.
• Segues into methods for choosing podcast vs. TikTok content — depth determines platform; seeks thread/through-line for longer shows.

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12. The State & Skill of Podcasting

Timestamp: 36:56–42:31

• Crissle and Deante discuss the podcast boom and the skills needed for compelling audio.
• “You and the homie are not having an intelligent or enlightening or entertaining conversation…” (Deante, 40:08)
• Chemistry, character, and perspective as differentiators; reflections on the Reed and classic podcasting duos.

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13. Childhood, School, and the Roots of Communicating

Timestamp: 42:31–47:21

• Both reflect on being “excessive talkers” in childhood, media literacy, and challenging school mythologies.
• “My teacher would say certain shit, and it's like, I don't know if that—Christopher Columbus did discover America, cuz I know what words mean…” (Deante, 44:36)
• Lively takes on church, prayer culture, and mental health taboos in Black spaces.

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14. Faith, Religion, and Cultural Critique

Timestamp: 47:35–50:12

• Critique of faith as a tool of social control; “Jesus was autistic too…I don't know that. I'm just saying because it's gonna piss somebody off the idea that Jesus was autistic. But why not?” (Crissle, 47:58)
• Lampoons Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and the pitfalls of blind faith.

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15. Therapy: Entering & Experiencing Growth

Timestamp: 50:12–56:03

• Deante discusses starting therapy, challenges of finding the right fit, and being “clocked” by both therapists and friends.
• Value of honesty in therapy, family, and professional feedback loops.
• “It was like, the first time that somebody said shit to me that had me, like, speechless. Like...Damn...just sit with that.” (Deante, 52:37)

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16. Therapists' Therapy & Empathy

Timestamp: 56:03–58:03

• Crissle explains (as a trained counselor) how therapists deal with their own issues, supervision, and the importance of empathy even for “the worst people in the world.”

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17. Nuance, Complexity & Social Commentary

Timestamp: 58:03–65:53

• Importance of “shamelessness” and empathy, seeing root causes for deeply problematic behaviors.
• “Life happens in the gray area…When people are too black and white. I can't fuck with it.” (Crissle, 64:41 & Deante, 64:44)
• Dangers of “flattening” complexity on social media; pushback against forced rigidity and cancel culture.
• “Let people be people and let people redeem themselves…without this rigid perfectionism, actually, nobody's gonna be successful.” (Deante, 68:26)

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18. Cancel Culture, Social Media, and Growth

Timestamp: 68:05–69:39

• “If y’all knew me 10 years ago, it wouldn’t be none of this.” (Deante, 69:02)
• Discusses the pitfalls of “digging up old tweets,” the impossibility of perfection online, the importance of review/edit in video vs. tweet.

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19. Final Reflections

Timestamp: 69:39–Close

• Guest and host plug their socials and shows.
• Warm mutual appreciation and an invitation for listeners to write in.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “quiet quitting” and class:
  “People do their job and they'll do it well if they feel like they being compensated adequately. Right. Like when it's when people feel like they’re getting fucked over that they just start fucking off.” — Deante, [10:06]

• On commodification:
  “Why I gotta goddamn go door to door…for all these corporations that just want you to be on TikTok, like selling products or Amazon selling products. Like, it's people that have made entire, like YouTube pages just like hucking products for Amazon. And it's like, for what?” — Deante, [11:01]

• On social mobility myth:
  “It's like this concept of being like a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, right? Just People think the money on the way … So I'mma treat you niggas accordingly in the meantime. And it's like, nah, bro, your ass go to work just like me. You poor, bro.” — Deante, [14:16]

• On empathy as a therapist:
  “The worst people in the world, I can see how they got there, you know?” — Crissle, [57:49]

• On allowing people complexity:
  “If you think that nigga was walking around every day lacking humor, lacking nuance, lacking relaxation…Even if they said and did profound things…they also had other sides to them. This is their forward facing position because this is their shit.” — Deante, [66:29]

• On cancel culture and growth:
  “Let people be people and let people redeem themselves. That whole thing of going back on nigga tweets 10 years ago, it's like, bro, people, do you know how…If y’ all knew me 10 years ago, it wouldn't be none of this.” — Deante, [68:56]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start | End | Notes | |----------------------------------|----------|----------|-----------------------------------------| | NYC Stories & BBQs | 00:39 | 02:41 | Humor, local culture | | Deante’s Background & Studies | 02:42 | 07:57 | Personal evolution, community | | Fatherhood & Accountability | 08:01 | 09:28 | Life lessons for kids | | Truck Driving & Commentary Start | 09:28 | 13:05 | Social critique, pandemic | | Class Dynamics & Solidarity | 12:12 | 20:49 | Power, aspiration, capitalism | | Urban Aspiration Psychology | 19:34 | 21:36 | High stakes, self-perception | | Socialism vs. Capitalism | 21:36 | 23:33 | Ultra-rich, “double dose capitalism” | | Neurodivergence & Small Talk | 23:15 | 27:02 | Therapy, trauma, fame | | Public Transit Subsidies | 27:02 | 28:05 | MTA, public systems | | Glamorized Crime, Success Ethics | 28:14 | 32:04 | Media, Batman critique | | Content Strategy | 33:14 | 36:50 | Reactivity, show structure | | Podcasting Skills & Bubble | 36:56 | 42:31 | Media, chemistry, character | | School, Reading, & Childhood | 42:31 | 47:21 | Early curiosity, argumentation | | Church & Faith Culture | 47:35 | 50:12 | Taboo on mental health | | Therapy Journey & Growth | 50:12 | 56:03 | Honesty, feedback, vulnerability | | Therapist’s Empathy & Support | 56:03 | 58:03 | Supervision, being “worst people” | | Nuance & Complexity | 58:03 | 65:53 | Duality, social media, cancel culture | | Conclusion & Plugs | 69:39 | End | Signoff, contacts |

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Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is unfiltered, honest, rooted in Black Southern and urban experience, and oscillates between comedy and clarity. Deante and Crissle model a friendship where vulnerability, critique, and cultural interrogation go hand in hand. The episode consistently pushes for more nuance, less rigidity, and a deeper empathy — for self, community, and even so-called adversaries.

For anyone seeking a mix of wisdom, laughter, validation, and challenge — “Crissle’s Couch” proves it’s the next best thing to therapy, without pretending to be therapy at all.

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Socials:

• Deante Kyle: All platforms @deantekyle
• Grits and Eggs Podcast: YouTube & Patreon
• Crissle’s Couch: All platforms; listener questions at [e-mail]

Transcript

[A]

Today on Chrissal's couch, I'm joined by Deontay Kyle, host of the Grits and Eggs podcast and a creator whose voice has made a real impact across social media. His content blends humor, honesty, and cultural commentary in a way that sparks conversation and connection. Recently, he's also opened up about starting therapy, which adds an even more personal layer to his work. I'm so excited to dig in with him today. Please welcome to Deontay Kyle to the couch. Hey, thank you for being here, brother.

[B]

What's up, man?

[A]

How are you?

[B]

I'm cool.

[A]

Enjoying New York?

[B]

I fuck with it. I like it.

[A]

You fuck with. Is this your first time here?

[B]

This is the second time. So the first time they had me like I was with Miro and them at Victory Life podcast. Oh, yeah, that was a vibe too, but. Cause we went to the BBQs.

[A]

Dallas BBQs or Harlem BBQs?

[B]

Dallas.

[A]

Dallas. Which one? The gay one in Chelsea. The gay one.

[B]

Oh, that's what that is.

[A]

I mean, most of my friends are gay, so that's what they call it.

[B]

Seemed pretty hetero in there when I was in there. You know what I'm saying? Family. Seemed like a family vibe in there.

[A]

Oh, family.

[B]

But they had brought me this big ass bowl of.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the bowl of living.

[B]

A Henny Colada.

[A]

Yeah. With the extra shot.

[B]

The tube. Yeah. And so I. So me being the nigga I am, they was doing that for the look.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

They're not really sipping that.

Motherfucker. I drank the whole shit in like 10 minutes.

[A]

Dallas BBQs is a rite of passage for people coming to the city. So I'm glad you had that experience. But I think it must have changed since. I mean, I haven't been to Dallas BBQs probably in at least five years, but sounds like the demographics over there have changed a little bit. It used to be, you know, N was hitting BBQS before they went out for the night, so they were, you know, it was a little bit more ratchet. Oh, really? Did you eat the wings? Them big ass.

[B]

Tear back the wings. I had one. I was like, I'm cool on that. This is a lot, right?

[A]

It's like I ain't never seen a chicken with a wing.

[B]

Also, it shouldn't be this sticky, you know what I'm saying? Like, what we doing?

[A]

Yeah, the sauce is sticky as fuck and they give you a lot of it.

[B]

Yeah, it's a little too much, to be honest. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I just can't Eat them wings no more. Because I. I have a hard time believing that's 100% chicken you did, you know?

[B]

Nah, that's real. And what farm this came from, right?

[A]

I don't know. I feel like you niggas put something together and decided to call it a wing, but here we go. Yes. Glad you're enjoying the city. For listeners who are new to you, how do you describe who you are and what you do?

[B]

I don't know, man. I just, like, have very strong opinions. I'm working class, so I come out of driving trucks. Before that, just like throwing something at the wall, sandwich stick. I always was, like, trying to either hustling or just. Whether it be in fashion streets when I was younger, stuff like that. I'm a father, so that kind of, like, switch up the position you take on how you approach life. Yeah, I think I've been in Black American studies and then global African studies for the better part of 10 years. Just independently. So that changes your perspective on your community. And then naturally, like, the way I was raised, I was raised in a very, like, solution oriented environment. So when I see something, I just say something.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I think a lot of it is just me taking my perspective and putting it on what I see us sweeping under the rug and try to sweep it out from underneath there. But also, like, just not really giving a fuck about being politically correct. Or like, is this gonna be brand safe and all that Gucci, like, that's some cool. Yeah, that's some shit that niggas do.

[A]

Did you say you've been into, like, you've been studying black sociopolitical issues for 10 years? What was the catalyst for that? How'd you get into it?

[B]

Zeitgeist. The film is what kind of broke me away from religion and how I view religion. Cause of course, like, when I was, like, making my transition, when I wanted to get out the streets. Cause I had beat this case, and I was like, okay. And I was in jail on some praying shit, like, really reading my Bible. Really?

[A]

Like you was in jail? Jail?

[B]

Yeah. I was like, bruh, I beat this case. God, I'll never sell drugs again type shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so then I beat the case. I was like, well, God damn, you got. I mean, I was like, God.

[A]

God came through.

[B]

You got through. You got real testimony, you hear me? So, no, I had a. I had a story to tell, you know?

[A]

You absolutely did.

[B]

So I'm thinking like, okay, you know what I'm saying? My grandmother had. My grandmother was sick around that time. Oh, no, this is shortly after she had passed. And so I was like, well, if it was, her advice would be to go to church, you know what I'm saying? Get baptized, get saved for sure. And then. So that's what I did. And then.

I was like, man, something about this shit ain't. This ain't clicking like this just like it feel good to like unburden yourself. But it also, like, once you. Once you get over that initial high of being saved or whatever, and you start getting to religion as a practice, it's just like something about it feel a little off. So I started investigating that and shit. Seen the movie Zeitgeist. Then I went into like my little spiritual studies and then.

Always been like a community first person, like, always. I don't know nothing else. Yeah, I don't desire nothing else either. So.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

I think. You know, I think the typical, like street nigga entryway into black American studies is like Malcolm X.

[A]

I was gonna say. Did you read the autobiography?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta read the autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley. You gotta start there. If you don't start there, really what you doing? You know what I'm saying? You got to. Is you changing your life or what?

[A]

You got to.

[B]

Cause we all see a little Detroit Redding ourselves. You feel me? Sure.

[A]

I mean, I think most of us do. For real?

[B]

Nah. In the real world.

[A]

Yeah, for real.

[B]

So it's like, damn. Radically changed it, man. I don't wanna go to prison to do it, but the book will suffice, you know what I'm saying? The book is good enough.

[A]

It is.

[B]

It'll set me on.

[A]

It'll do it if you let it.

[B]

You feel me?

[A]

I do.

[B]

I applied. You know what I'm saying? That's application of knowledge, you know what I'm saying?

So I went that direction. But that shit is a trickle down thing. And I love, like, I actually like. As much as I like to talk, I like listening to people talk, especially when they speak in form. So I started listening like John Henry Clark lectures, okay. James Baldwin, long form.

A lot of Angela Davis excerpts and stuff like that. And then when I landed on like, really, when I got really into James Baldwin, that's what, like, helped me create like a more sound perspective on things. Because when motherfuckers is good with words, man, it's powerful. It really just like, it'll open your mind up.

[A]

It will.

[B]

So like, that's when I started kind of like more so formulating a writing practice around how I Thought and how I felt about things, and it helped me articulate myself a lot better. So, yeah, just that rabbit hole. Once you start, you just don't stop. I'm gonna tell you another one. Hidden Colors.

[A]

Oh, I think I've seen Hidden. I had to Google this zeitgeist. I'll watch it later. But I think I've seen Hidden Colors.

[B]

Yeah, Hidden Colors. That's how I got introduced to Dr. Umar. I ain't gonna hold you. Nah, this is Dr. Umar when he was really in his bed, though. Yeah, we gotta get him some grace.

[A]

I was about to say, where have I heard that from? Directed by Tariq Nasheed.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is when you learn the message and, you know, you lead a messenger. Where they at? But I also discovered Frances Crest Wilson through that documentary. So that was a big thing for me, too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And she wrote ISIS papers. And that's gotcha very powerful book.

[A]

Okay, so I think I heard you say earlier that you're a father. How many kids do you have?

[B]

I got three kids.

[A]

Three kids. How old are they?

[B]

14, 11 and 7.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What. How have you taken your education and tried to impart that knowledge onto your kids?

[B]

I turn everything into a lecture.

[A]

A lecture?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, sit down.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Well, today we talking about Son of Shakur.

[B]

So I don't. I don't even push that on them. I'm more so.

Whatever this. I always tell them, like, I'm not talking to you as you are. I'm talking to you as you will be. Like, I'm trying to mold up the type of adult you'll be. So the implications of this action, and how does that play out in adulthood? Right. If you take shortcuts at this point of your life, what does that look like for you as an adult? Right. If you don't keep up with your responsibilities? And then I put it back on myself, like.

When I wasn't taking care of my responsibilities and I was taking shortcuts and I just thought I could breeze by. We got evicted. Now, you may not be old enough to remember that, but I know I was taking shortcuts and bullshitting.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And just thinking, I can get my own charm.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? The charisma and shit. That got a shelf life.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, it don't pay the rent by itself. It does not.

[B]

You can't just, like, fuck off on the job.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

No. You know what I'm saying? Especially when you got responsibilities. But it takes you to bump your head a few times to realize, like, what's really important and shit like that. Especially somebody like me. I'm real hard.

[A]

Hit it.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah. So I've heard people talk about how you first got started sharing your thoughts from your truck when you were a truck driver. Can you take us back to those early days and how that kind of evolved into what it is now with your podcast and your social media presence?

[B]

The truck driving thing really started out out of, like, frustration.

There was an issue in housing. This is like during the pandemic. And people were struggling with housing, but they're stuck in houses too. So it's like I was just thinking about this situation where it's like, damn. I went and got a trade, a skilled trade, and it's like, it still don't feel like enough. But this is like silently, like everybody kind of doing what they told to do and they keep moving the goalpost for like, what success is and what it look like when I know most people just want to, like, live comfortably. Like, people don't mind working. People do their job and they'll do it well if they feel like they being compensated adequately. Right. Like when it's when people feel like they getting fucked over that they just start fucking off.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Or they just stop caring because it's like, what's the point? You know, we get to. This is like at the height of this quiet quitting movement and things like that, where people are just like, you know what? I'mma just do enough to get by because they just giving me enough to stay, literally, you dig? So I think the frustration was matched with like, just an honest take on, I think, how a lot of people felt. Cause I was just like, I don't wake up every day thinking about no money, bro.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I don't want to hustle. I don't want no side hustle, bro. Why I can't just have my job, right? Have my job, enjoy my time with my family, go on a vacation every now and then and then get back to it. Like, why I gotta goddamn go door to door? Basically be a door to door salesman for all these corporations that just want you to be on TikTok, like selling products or Amazon selling products. Like, it's people that have made entire, like YouTube pages just like hucking products for Amazon. And it's like, for what?

[A]

Yeah, them commission links.

[B]

Them niggas don't need our help. Niggas got robots.

[A]

Bezos got more than enough money.

[B]

He got so much Money that tacky.

[A]

He got plenty of money.

[B]

I ain't nothing about the waiter. Hold on.

[A]

It's horrific.

[B]

Tell me about it.

[A]

Just because you ri. You have to see the pictures from it. It's like, just because you rich don't mean you have taste. And just because something is expensive doesn't mean that it's nice. But I love the point you made about that whole quiet quitting thing and people being like, why am I going above and beyond when the pay is below and short.

[B]

Yeah. And it's because some people. So there's a thing in this country where it's like.

You won't be paid for your labor, but you will be paid in power. So this is where you get people that work at the same company as you, but they middle management and they wake up and they live for that shit just cause they can tell somebody what to do. Them. You type of niggas is the type of people that keep that type of thing going. Cause there's always gonna be people that wanna feel in control of something. And 9 times out of 10 it's cause they completely out of control and.

[A]

They walking like, exactly that.

[B]

So that's a cop, you know what I'm saying? A police officer, for example. Somebody that just need to feel power, you know what I'm saying? Somewhere they never felt it before. So I think.

Without class solidarity, we can't change anything. But like, everybody want to see they self above working class.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So even if you ain't got no money, you trying to adorn yourself as like this rich person. But like people with actually actual money.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like a Jeff Bezos. He don't care what type of car or. I mean, I'm sure he give a fuck. Like, he ain't finna pull up in no Ford Fusion.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

But when a Bentley is a Ford Fusion to use, what the fuck? Do a Bentley, it don't matter.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But like, he ain't worried about what clothes and brands he wearing. That nigga probably got on a whole Amazon tracksuit.

[A]

Like, well, when you got multiple yachts.

[B]

And you did like, bro, like, I'm on the Pacific. Oh shit.

[A]

The planet belongs to me, nigga. I don't give a f about none of that shit.

[B]

Fuck that Gucci shit. Fuck that, I'll buy that shit.

[A]

I was just for the same nigga, I'll buy Gucci.

[B]

I literally buy that shit and make sure can't nobody else wear.

But I think it's like this concept of being like a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, right? Just People think the money on the way, so I gotta like, ah, ah, ah. And then, you know, the law of attraction kind of be tweaking people head where they think they could just like, wish on shit or just manifest it through writing and things like that without any actual action. So it's like a lot of niggas think that that lottery ticket finna get cashed in any day now. So I'm gonna treat you niggas accordingly in the meantime. And it's like, nah, bro, your ass go to work just like me. You poor, bro.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Ain't nothing wrong with that. We all. As long as we all po. We good. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, I see what you mean as.

[B]

Far as just being on the same page. One.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, not wanting more. It's just like, bro, be realistic about where you at.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? In comparison to a nigga that got a billion dollars.

[A]

Yeah. And I think it is so interesting because frequently people are aspiring to that richer class. Not really thinking about that. Like, in order for people to be rich, somebody has to be poor. Everybody can't come up out of it. Capitalism literally does not work that way.

[B]

Yeah. Not in this system. We have to have a working class. You need somebody to be exploited. I think the issue that most of these people take with socialism is the workers having control over the means of production. So, like, actually.

Participating in the means of production and benefiting from it. Right, right. So, like, there's some companies in America that operate that way, but they're very privately owned companies. Once they go corporate. Yeah. They like to. They like to stack the classes so they can. Cause, like, the idea is whatever the cost of living is.

And however much work people are expected to do, you give them just enough to keep them coming back independent on it, but not enough to, like, breathe. Not enough to, like, afford anything. Like. Like, it becomes a pure survival instinct of, like, just having your needs met.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And never getting anything you want.

[A]

And that has gotten so much worse since 2020.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I feel like them people could not believe they had to give us money when people were, like, not going to work.

[B]

When you got niggas out here eating dick cause Trump gave you $1,200.

[A]

That shit was so crazy. I'm like, n. He didn't even want to do that, bro. He didn't even want to do that, nigga. He sent a little letter making sure he signed it so that y' all would associate him with that $1200 he didn't even want to give y' all this shit, bro.

[B]

Do you know how much money $1,200 is? Nothing.

[A]

And that's what's so sad, is that.

[B]

For some reason, girl, have like a nice lunch.

You.

[A]

It's almost like the more money you make, the more you realize that what you was making before really was not.

[B]

I don't even know, like, you, like, how was I even getting by, cuz? How was I doing it?

[A]

Cause the CEOs of these companies spend more than your annual salary in a day or two. Like, they spend that money on their kids. Private.

[B]

That's not. So the thing is, is like they had did this.

It was this situation where Jeff Bezos was walking through Amazon warehouse and one of the workers stopped to talk to him and they was literally tallying. It was like a ticker of how much money Jeff Bezos was making per second.

[A]

Like, like 10, $20 every second or something crazy.

[B]

Yeah, he left the conversation. 30. 30 bands up.

It was like 20 second conversation. He ain't even talking to this nigga. First of all, he didn't even look like he wanted to be talking. He's like, they're on camera.

[A]

He's like, yeah, we got a. Yeah.

[B]

The camera right there.

[A]

Hello, regular.

[B]

Have you ever seen a picture of him split?

[A]

Is you mean like a. You talking about one specific picture?

[B]

So, like, I can Google it real quick. Psychologist that did this thing of a picture of how psychopaths look. Psychopaths literally have split faces. Like, the two sides of their faces look totally different.

[A]

Okay, yeah. Why the first thing on Google is, is Jeff Bezos a high functioning psychopath? Damn.

[B]

I'm telling you, cuz, you gotta be.

[A]

I mean, he do look like the evil villain in every like, superhero movie. He looked like that.

[B]

He looked like Lex Luthor in a real way.

[A]

It's that bald head and them ears. But you know one thing about the super wealthy, Is it this one?

[B]

So how he got like literally two different faces?

[A]

Oh, that's so true.

[B]

It's a little freaky. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, that's kind of scary.

I think it's interesting you brought prime day, nigga.

And don't forget prime day, where you can get $5 off of a price that we actually artificially inflated last night. So you're not saving any money, we're just making you think you are.

[B]

Giving you $10 off of some dollar store shit.

[A]

And one thing about the super wealthy, when you brought up class solidarity, that's one thing they have that we don't and it's the one thing they have that we should actually be aspiring for.

[B]

Well, they participate in socialism for themselves. Yes, absolutely. So amongst themselves, they're socialists.

[A]

Oh yeah. But you niggas.

[B]

We'Ll double dose of this capitalism, nigga.

[A]

Yes, I think about that a lot. That if we had that same attitude of, you know, way more of us than them, and if we were really in solidarity and believed that there's a more, just, more equitable world that's possible without all these classes, then I wonder what this society could look like.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, psychologically, this is how they like, they keep us at bay. Right. Like major cities like this. Right? Major cities like New York, Chicago, Atlanta, it's very high stakes for the people that live there, right? Yeah, depending on what your position is. Right. But for the, for the person that flies to New York to make their dreams come true, it's very high stakes. So when you walk in the past, homeless people all the time, psychologically, it's like, okay, I'm a few bad decisions away from being there. That's a reality. Yeah, right. You don't want to be that person. And then you also are walking past these people on Wall street that have it all figured out of what you want to be. So it's like this duality that you constantly living in of like what you want to us into. And it kind of forces people into being conformist because.

They don't see, they dehumanize people at that point right now, people just become like objects of, you know, their aspirations. So like, I don't want to be the nigga that's sleeping on the floor and it's 30 degrees outside. I do want to be that dude that pulled up in the car service with the nice tailor suit and nice watch and woo, woo, woo. And he like, he got all his shit together.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And instead of. So then it becomes an individual plight which is like, that is like the ethos of capitalism. Like, you have to be individualistic because you have. Because if you think about it communally, you won't want to exploit nobody.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You'll want something for everybody. But if you're only thinking about yourself, then like, yeah, fuck them. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Right. And if you're invested in the collective, you never make enough money to be a billionaire anyway because you're constantly redistributing it throughout the community.

[B]

Well, and that's what it should be though. Like, how much money do you really need? Yeah, like if you, if, if like the Same. The billionaires would essentially have the same life if they had $150 million. Cause, like, how much money you gotta spend every day?

[A]

Do you need eight yachts?

[B]

Like, you don't actually. We need to sink all of them. Stay out the water.

[A]

You can still be. I think that was funny.

[B]

Why isn't the money, like, why isn't their money going to, like, advancing society? What it does is actively regress society. You have somebody like Elon Musk who puts a lot of his money into political campaigns that divide people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, he affected an election in Germany in a real way. And one here and one here in a real way.

[A]

President.

[B]

You feel me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Doc Maga.

Nah.

[A]

The Hitler shit. I say, yo.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like. And we gotta stop, like, letting that nigga get off with the autism shit. Like, nah. Cause I ain't. I ain't.

[A]

You can be autistic and not evil on me.

[B]

I got a child that's autistic. He be cooling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He be vibing.

[A]

Everybody I know is on the spectrum in one way or another. So it's like, at this point. Yeah. No, for real.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

For real. Yeah. It's very common.

[B]

Motherfucking yellow five. Get, nigga.

[A]

Neurodivergent. Being neurodivergent is extremely common. Much more common than people, I think.

[B]

It's actually. I seen it because Amanda Seals taught me I was neurodivergent. I tend to believe she said it very passionately. I was like, all right. I mean, you know what? I'm gonna take that around with it.

[A]

I meant to say, in case you haven't been diagnosed.

[B]

Yeah. Just in case. You know what he told you, nigga.

[A]

I mean, she's very smart. She might be. Right.

[B]

She peeps something.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So.

There'S a lady on TikTok, and that's, like, her area of expertise in psychology is starting Spectrum of autism.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And she looks at it as not, like, people with just little quirks. I'm talking about people that have, like.

People that are. That have the social aspect of it, where it's like, they don't really play no games when it comes to, like, small talking shit like that. Like, just not engaging it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're radically honest.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And she looks at it as, like, an evolution of humanity, like, because we've been inundated with so much, like, bullshit. Yeah. And, like, even when we talk to each other, it's just bullshitting each other. Engaging respect like based on profession or status or race or whatever the fuck. It's like a way of cutting through all that bullshit. Because small talk is kind of essentially bullshit. It's good for customer service and it is good for like elevators and shit like that. But oftentimes what I see happening, especially now is like, it starts off as how the weather. And then it's like.

And you know, I don't think that these people should have health care. And it's like, hold on, my nigga.

[A]

How we get there?

[B]

We only on the third floor.

[A]

I disagree.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Now I'm finna hit with you in the elevator because everything has been politicized, like everything, every aspect of our life is politics now, correct?

[A]

Yeah, correct. I think that's a very interesting theory. I think small talk has its place. It's sort of how we get to know people. You don't just meet somebody for the first time and be like, tell me about your deepest trauma. You start somewhere.

[B]

It's also insane.

[A]

You start somewhere surface level. You get to know people, the relationship deepens, et cetera. The example you gave though, of going.

[B]

I'm a chatty guy though, so like, I love small talk. I fuck with it. But I also can see how like some people can see it as like a waste of time. Just giving whatever. Like you said, circumstantially, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I'm down for some small talk anytime.

[A]

Same. Yeah, I love to chat.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

Cause people tell you so much about themselves just through casual chit chat. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You engage so much about people. Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But it's like, you know, this is a white specific request when you meet niggas, like, stop trauma dumping.

[A]

Oh, God, please.

[B]

The whites love the trauma dumping.

[A]

God, please.

[B]

Yeah, I don't need to know that your wife got cancer, bro. I just met you, cuz.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Let's like talk about how your child doing in school or something.

[A]

We have enough problems on me.

[B]

I just started therapy. I've been a therapist for strangers for quite some time.

[A]

Oh, yeah. When people say, sort of make their problems your responsibility, just like, nigga, I'm hold this.

[B]

They lay it on you.

[A]

Nah, nah, same day.

[B]

That's public transportation though, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Have you gotten on the train in New York? Have you taken a subway? You haven't? Okay, you said no. I'm actually a little too rich for that.

[B]

I ain't too rich for that, I'm saying. Well, my old lady taught me. She was like, I Think you're a little too famous for the subway? Cause I was like, I'm gonna take the subway. And she was like, I don't think you should. I think you need to just take the lift and you know what I'm saying? Get where the fuck you gotta go. She said, Cause y' all has a spark of a conversation. And then me miss you stop. Nah, that shit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She's like, this type of shit you gotta lock in. You don't know where you at. For real? Yeah.

[A]

So the neurodivergence might. That might've been a valid point.

[B]

It was valid. You know what I'm saying? Now that we talking about it.

I.

[A]

Wouldn'T say you're too famous for the train. But if you know, you easily distracted and you're not gonna be locked in.

[B]

On what you do, that is what it is. She was like, somebody gonna say something to you and you'll turn that into a 30 minute conversation, and then you'll be completely.

[A]

And then you'll be in the Bronx.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. That's me.

[A]

Like, nigga, you was supposed to get off on 23rd street, and I don't.

[B]

And she was like, that's some shit where you gotta lock the fuck in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, you ain't no lock in'.

[A]

Cause you don't know what you're doing. Yeah, okay, that's valid, that's valid, that's valid.

[B]

I lowkey just wanted to jump the turnstile one time, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

I mean, if you really want the New York experience, go ahead and lock in. PD give you a ticket for that.

[B]

Beat you the fuck up.

[A]

Well, they shouldn't.

[B]

Nah, they shouldn't.

[A]

They should just write you a ticket.

[B]

The train should be free.

[A]

I agree. The train should be free.

[B]

It's public transportation. Should be free.

[A]

I 100% agree.

[B]

I think it could be subsidized by the city. I think if.

[A]

Well, it's allegedly subsidized by the city. Is it?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And we have.

[B]

Why do you niggas keep raising rates?

[A]

That's an excellent question.

[B]

Doesn't feel subsidized to me.

[A]

And we just added this sort of tax for people who take cars in and out of lower Manhattan to a certain place. And that was supposed to help subsidize the cost of mta, and yet the MTA fares are going up.

[B]

So it's like, that's bogus as hell.

[A]

All this money we're generating from these, from this lower Manhattan, you know, car fee or Whatever.

[B]

Yeah. I just think that these people are fucking crooks.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And here's the thing. The average American, given they position, would probably be a fucking crook too. So.

It'S really more so about, like, our collective ethics.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

You know, but you get shit like this when you romanticize, like, mafia shit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

No.

[B]

So how many of our films romanticize, like, being a criminal?

[A]

Oh, so many.

[B]

Yeah. You feel what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So when you romanticize shit like that, you normalize criminal activity so long as it's not a black person.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's an excellent point, because Lord knows what they can do we cannot do for sure. But I also think when you see that at every stage of government, it's just crooks, liars, and thieves, you kind of like, why not?

[B]

Yeah, because for sure. Because. So this is something that happens, like, in your mid-20s when you really struggle financially.

[A]

So this is so real.

[B]

When you're really struggling financially, you'd be like, hold on, nigga. All the bad people is up.

[A]

Yeah, way up.

[B]

They were way up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All the people that, like, break the law, all the people that, like, cut corners, lie, cheat, and steal are doing their motherfucking thing outside. They doing all the things I want to do, and I'm out here trying to be virtuous and shit. And this is where you. This is where a lot of people get they switches flipped.

[A]

And you learned that justice is not blind as, like, it's supposed to be, allegedly. There are very different rules.

[B]

I mean, think about this. The nigga Batman is a million a billionaire, and he dress up and beat up street criminals.

[A]

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Okay, yeah.

[B]

He'S a billionaire and he got mad technology.

[A]

What I would like to do with my free time as a billionaire, I'mma.

[B]

Go out at night and fuck some niggas up. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

But this niggas doing bad things.

[B]

Okay, well, so resources.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

[B]

He got so much money, nigga bro. The nigga solution. Or he has his own bike, own Whip, custom 101 Batmobile, my nigga.

[A]

Oh, yeah, he does.

[B]

We could have used that technology for a community center. Yeah, maybe. Maybe raise the wages for the teachers. Okay, maybe they come in with a little spunk, right? Ready to teach the kids. Nah, fuck that.

[A]

And then they not mugging niggas on the sidewalk. Once their bills are paid, they could. I see what you saying.

[B]

Okay, employ more people. But nah, n not.

[A]

Nah, nah, nah. He's about to go in that bat cave.

[B]

I said I'm f to get him ass. And I'm going to put me some niggas up now. You know, cuz, why all his enemies Ain't none of his enemies never died. He don't even kill for real. He just beat the up. The Joker's still alive. Why this blowing up the bridge?

[A]

How do you think it is?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Is he the only superhero who's like a billionaire in his private life and he's just literally.

[B]

Peter Parker from the hood?

[A]

I was gonna say I'm not up on all the superheroes, but I've heard that critique of Batman before. Like, nigga, you very rich.

[B]

Nah, you mad rich, bro. Why you got all this bread and you just beat niggas up at night?

[A]

Well, isn't he traumatized and his parents die or something?

[B]

And some of them kids, who them niggas who he beat up. Trauma too.

[A]

He said, fuck they parents. I don't give a fuck.

[B]

I'm avenging. I'm avenging for life.

[A]

So these are the kinds of extremely fun conversations you have.

Across social media on your show. How do you decide which conversations are worth jumping into versus which ones are not worth your time?

[B]

I mostly just don't react to shit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think I did something my mama taught me. Like, when I was real young, I used to be very impulsive. Like, anything could get underneath my skin. Anything was warranted response from me. That's how I used to get in trouble so much. Because it's like I would never take the time to process anything. It was just like, react, react, react. And she was like, yeah, bro. Like people can control you like that, though. So she was like, before you react, take a beat.

He was like, just take five and see if you really give a fuck. Yeah. And so a lot of times, if it's something I genuinely care about, I'll still take a beat and formulate my own perspective on it. Based on. No, based on lived experience. Based on what other people are saying too. Like, people really, reactionary people really do help me formulate opinions too, because I like to gauge what people are saying about it and not. Cause I lean one way or the other. But it's just like, there's a lot of smart people in the world and maybe I'm in a place where I don't know how to feel about it and somebody say something, it's like, you know what? That is the right take. And now I can kind of like expound on that because that's the take that should we. That's the direction we should head in with this. That's how I feel.

Or sometimes it's just things that I've been mulling over. Like, I got my notes. App is insane.

[A]

Oh, same.

[B]

Yeah. I don't even.

[A]

It's ridiculous in there.

[B]

I've tried to read it like to. Yeah, it shit don't make sense.

Yeah. So it's like, okay, that's why I just start a new app, start a new note. And then my episode breakdowns are just like. If it is something of current events that I can tie into, like maybe something that's a little bit more nuanced or provide better perspective, I'll do that. If it's something that. Where I just want to react because of how absurd something is, I'll do that. Sometimes it's just like, these are things I'm just thinking about. Like, I woke up today with this thought and I'm just gonna go through it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we'll expound on it. And it'll end up on the show.

[A]

So how do you decide what makes the podcast versus what's for, like, TikTok or Instagram?

[B]

How much I got to say about it? Okay. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

Normally, the TikTok is a series. The TikTok is maybe just like one topic that's two, three minutes. And I don't need to say nothing else about it. Like, when I should think, shut the fuck up. I don't have to talk about that for 20 minutes, you know what I'm saying? But I think.

What I try to do is find like a through line on all my topics on my show. So, like, find a way to connect everything or things that segue really well.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, as I've been doing it longer, I just, like. I like smooth transitions. It just like, I be like. Like when I, like when I'm hitting the transitions and the segues and people don't know it in my mind, I'll be like, I'm so fired. This shit. I'm so good at this, you know, killing this shit. Oh, my God, I'm killing all this. I wish I could see the board and how I get weaving through these topics. I'm killing this shit.

[A]

Professional.

[B]

My partner be like, we like, boy, you smoke that bitch. I ain't gonna lie. You go crazy. But I think. But it's all original. I just. I choose, you know what I'm saying? The best thing about it is I get to dictate what I talk about. You know what I'm saying? So even if it's like a not so serious podcast, it's like, it's my show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't being serious and it can be there today. We being fun. You know what I'm saying? Fucking relax. You know what I'm saying? We need duality and balance and stuff like that, too, today.

[A]

I'm not criticizing the 1%, you dig?

[B]

I'mma let them n cook today.

[A]

Today I'm talking about who got the best chicken in Atlanta.

[B]

So you got into a podcast game, like, pretty early.

[A]

Pretty much started it.

[B]

It's really your shit. I mean, it's really. It's really you pretty much.

[A]

I'm saying show who for these niggas.

[B]

You are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So how has that been? Like, I'm not even two years in. I am two years on paper, but just being consistent, I'm not even two years. So.

What was it like? Just like, what was the idea of, like, I'm gonna start A podcast.

[A]

Well, so my friend and I, he approached me up about it because Chris Morrow, who is also a producer on this show, approached him about starting a show. And so he was like, oh, I want to do it with my friend. And so Kit Fury. That's his name, he came to me about it, and I was like, yeah, let's do it. You know, this was. Back then, the only podcast I had ever heard of was this American Life. Niggas just did not do podcasts.

[B]

I didn't even know. I don't even know what that is. I'mma tell you. I listen. I used to listen to the Reed at work. I was working at a vending machine company, and I used to have to stack cases of, like, Mountain Dew, you know, like, just cases of soda.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was just having my shit in, so it's like, y' all bodega boys. Yeah.

[A]

RIP.

[B]

I really let that, man.

[A]

Did you ask Mero about that? We don't have to air this, but did you ask him about that?

[B]

Nah, man.

Hell no, I ain't ask him.

[A]

You should have NOD apparel. I probably would have pissed him off.

[B]

Now I just, like. I just kind of, like, quoted some old episodes. Like, remember when we had it so good? Remember?

[A]

I know. He was like, yeah.

[B]

Nah, he thought it was funny. But I just. Cause I intentionally, like, I'm not gonna bring that shit up. That's like a nigga bringing up your ex. Don't do that.

[A]

Like, n. It's over. And it's been over.

[B]

It's been over, bro.

[A]

Accepted.

[B]

Nigga. Bro. Actually, we had a nasty breakup in public, publicly.

[A]

Nigga. Don't ask me about that, nigga.

[B]

That's how. Like, the original Joe Budden platform. Like him, Rory Ma.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[B]

Perfect, bro. Worked.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

So it's good. I say that to say it's good that y', all, like, thud it out. You know what I'm saying? Y' all stood the test of time. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also before niggas knew what a podcast was. To everybody having a podcast, to that bubble bursting and not only, like, the strong survive type shit.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

Y' all thud it out all the way through.

[A]

That we have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The podcasting landscape looks completely different now. Like, now you can't throw a rock without hitting 48 podcasts.

[B]

That's real.

[A]

Yeah. Everybody got one, which I'm not opposed to, but I think a lot of people thought that it was easier than what it is because they saw us and we made it look easy or sound easy.

[B]

And it's like, well, so I feel like any long form, talking odd or just anything, anything, you have to have a certain level of, like, character and charisma.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There is, like, a skill set to this shit. You know what I'm saying? Because if there wasn't, everybody would have one. And those that do that should be ass. Like.

You and the homie are not having an intelligent or enlightening or entertaining conversation.

[A]

Y' all not.

[B]

Y' all niggas are just having mind.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? And that's cool.

[A]

Kind of.

[B]

If that's bonding y', all, you right.

[A]

If y' all are having fun, then it's cool.

[B]

If y' all having a good time, go right, go for it.

[A]

But a lot of people think they're funnier than they are, or they think they're more interesting than they are, or they be like, oh, my God, nigga, let's get high and get on the mic. Blah, blah, baby, you go back and listen to that, it's like it's six minute gaps in between you niggas even talking.

[B]

Like, Well, I think that the thing is, like, chemistry. When it's two people, the chemistry has to be elite because you have to kind of like get into this bag where you can finish the next person's sentence. I think that's the funniest thing about my dynamic is, like, Big Cat is not on camera, but we know each other so well that we just bounce off each other jokes until it just, voila, what a great joke. But also, he provides a perspective that I don't have because he's not as.

He don't. He's not worldly like me. Like, Big Cat really don't be caring about what's going on.

[A]

Got you.

[B]

So, like, he. He's very family oriented, and he just, like, cool with, like, the working class being a dad, like, type shit. So, like, it's also fun to just see him experience this shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas, like, for me, I was always like, man, I'm finna be somebody, bro. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? We gonna figure this shit out one way or the other.

[A]

If I gotta survive in capitalism, I'm finna have a work my way up in, bro.

[B]

We gonna move up and I'm gonna move up with my opinions one way or another.

[A]

Yes. And you have absolutely carved that space for yourself. You should be very proud.

[B]

I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels good to be like, you can't do this shit. You know what?

[A]

I'm saying, I mean, you can, but everybody doesn't reach success with it.

[B]

Exactly. And I'm saying that. And, like, you ain't me, nigga. Like, it be a lot of people that be saying, I've always known this about myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my mom and my daddy be saying that shit like, bro, this is not surprising.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Your parents are like, we saw it from the beginning.

[B]

I literally used to get in trouble for everything I do now. It's just not.

[A]

That's so valid.

[B]

It's not good in a school setting. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You said, like, that was me. Yeah, for sure. I'm in the para teacher conference. Like, mom, she full of shit. She's lying.

[A]

A teacher. Like, I am not lying. I'm not lying.

[B]

Your son, he's terrible.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? He is wilding. But.

[B]

And that's like, always was the student. This is like, if you would just apply yourself. To what? To what? Algebra? Yeah, fuck algebra, bitch. I'm not gonna work on. No.

[A]

You need to learn math with letters and numbers.

[B]

Yeah. Like, bro, what's. No. I was like, nothing with that shit. Language.

[A]

I'm gonna stop it for X, nigga.

[B]

Yeah. Why? Why?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why does why math a mystery?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why this shit mysterious, my nigga.

[A]

This is me.

[B]

What we gonna do with this?

[A]

I got excessive talking on every report card, quite literally, until I got to the age where they don't even track that no more. But, like, literally all through elementary and middle school, they was like, she's so bright, she just won't shut the fuck up.

[B]

Real rap.

[A]

That was me and him now yapping.

[B]

For a living type shit.

[A]

My cousins used to make fun of me so bad because I was a big reader as a kid. I would read any fucking thing you put in front of me. My mama taught me to read when I was three and I just. I made that, like, my whole personality. And all my cousins now are like, if I had known then that your little smart ass was gonna turn into this, I would've picked me up a book, too.

[B]

Like, man, real talk. It was. It was book. Like, any media. I was taking it in. Magazine books.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

TV, movie. I like. I had my own stack of VHS's in my room where it's just like. Because it's like the family movies. I ain't never liked them shits. It's like, nah, I like this movie. Like, let me get that. And so I was always like, media Dialogue has always been extremely important to me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it's like, I always excelled at language arts and social studies and shit like that. Cause history is cool, too. I always just thought that shit was fire. And then it's like, it also just give me something to argue with people about.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Cause it's like, my teacher would say certain shit, and it's like, I don't know if that N. Christopher Columbus did discover America. Cause I know what words mean.

[A]

Discover is.

[B]

Discover is crazy.

[A]

What's the choice of words? That's a little crazy, considering N was already here.

[B]

How you discovered some shit. Niggas is already owned and operated, Right. They just got this shit going already.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They got agricultural techniques and all type of shit. That don't sound like a discovery.

[A]

Right. Christopher Columbus was a rapist, thief and.

[B]

A rapist and a liar who stumbled.

[A]

Onto this bitch and thought it was India.

[B]

Man. Fuck that nigga.

[A]

Fuck Christopher Columbus.

[B]

Niggas done brought STDs over here and everything else.

Yeah.

[A]

So killing the natives all type shit.

[B]

That's the type of shit I would live for. Like, yeah, I can't wait for class tomorrow.

[A]

Yeah, same. I'm finna fuck y' all up. I'm gonna fuck y' all up. I used to do that in my 20s when I was in college. I went to a new church with my roommates. And them niggas was more backwards in they thinking than the church I grew up in, which was nondenominational. So this church was more conservative. And they would say real stupid shit. And I would be like, I know I'mma come in here and I'mma say something so controversial that y' all gonna want to ask me to leave, but you can't because it's God's house. Yeah, but you gonna want to ask me to leave.

[B]

I be trying to short circuit niggas. That be really same, you know how, like, people just so, like.

I remember I got my first crib at 24. Like a house, not like an apartment. And so this one I realized, like, n really do go door to door and knock on your shit. Oh, yeah. For various things. Right. So cable, whatever, window security.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I remember the first time the Mormons came and knocked on my door.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And they had a black person with them.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And I said. I was like. And I'm really in my. This. I'm in my dumb woke shit. I'm extremely woke. I'm overly woke. So I was like, brother, how do you feel going door to door with these Men who think your skin is a curse.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

Look at the.

[A]

In church, nigga. How did you get here?

[B]

Them niggas closed my door. They was like, nah, we cool on this shit.

[A]

They were like, oh, we thought you was gonna be nicer about it.

[B]

Yeah, nigga. I'm like, no, no, no, Bring that Bible back over here.

[A]

Yeah, it was similar for me where like, N would say stuff at church, like, if you got problems, mental issues or whatever, just pray about it. God is a better therapist. You don't need no psychiatrist. And so I would say, you know, regular things that don't. You don't even have to be smart to say. Like, if God made cardiologists and pediatricians people to address health issues, why wouldn't God also make therapists or psychiatrists to help you with your mental health? Like, why can you see the doctor for these things but not for these other things? You see how that's like regular, basic kind of.

[B]

Yeah, it's always that it's gotta be God when it comes to issues of the mind.

[A]

Yes. And controlling that motherfucker. And it's like. But some people legit have issues.

[B]

People have mental health issues.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When people say, oh, man, like, people, I remember one time this lady was like.

Praying over this little boy cause he had autism and talking about, we bind autism in the name of Jesus. What?

[A]

No, we don't. Jesus was autistic too. I don't know that. I'm just saying it because it's gonna piss somebody off the idea that Jesus was autistic. But why not? Why not?

[B]

Jesus had a touch of the tissue.

[A]

Not to mention he was a little magical. How that nigga. How that nigga feed the masses? With fishes and loaves, man. Listen, Three fishes and five loaves.

[B]

When they told me this nigga was walking on water, I was like, huh?

Let's talk about. Let's discuss his father, what type of shoes that nigga had on and he.

[A]

Parted the sea as well type shit.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

He can do both.

[B]

How much marine life lost was lost.

[A]

But you say shit like that and the ultra conservatives immediately get mad at us.

[B]

I can understand conservatism, though, because it's like you want to defend a person you would kill.

[A]

Well, they don't believe Jesus is anything other than white either.

[B]

That's stupid.

[A]

It really depend on who you talking to.

[B]

I don't see. This is the thing I don't like. When facts are presented and you still believe your delusions, that means that your whole Shit is delusional. That's called faith crazy. Couldn't be me.

[A]

I'm not anti faith. I believe. You know, I don't think there's anything we all have believing in a higher power. Yeah.

[B]

I just think that when it gets to the point where you're using this faith to harm others, that's where I'm out.

[A]

Yes. That's why I'm out. Or when you use it to justify.

[B]

Justify hatred.

[A]

Yes. And things that hurt you or hurt your children. Like the people who are like, I don't have to get vaccines. God will take care of God.

[B]

That's insanity. Mother Teresa was on that type of line. Yeah, she, like, didn't, like, she's seen as, like this, like, noble, like, saint, peaceful person.

[A]

No, she was actually, like, she was quite a mess.

[B]

She was a mess.

[A]

Deeply racist, a fucking mess. You know what I'm saying? Like Gandhi. People have that same feeling.

[B]

He was weird.

[A]

He was a weird nigga.

[B]

He's a weird nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Why you gotta test your discipline with children? Odd, my nigga. And then want to be non violent with the whites.

[A]

Let's see how much of this actually makes it to YouTube, man. Goddamn. So.

We'Ve talked a little bit about mental health. You mentioned that you just started therapy. What made you think, yeah, now's the time?

[B]

Oh, so.

It'S been something. So the entryway to therapy is quite difficult. Too many options. I can't deal with that. So it's like, that'd be the thing that made me continually put things off.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's like, okay, this is way too many options and choices. And then like, what if it don't work out? I start spending and then I'm just like, you know what? Fuck it.

[A]

Amanda Seals really might have been right.

[B]

No. Well, she definitely was like, you need to be in therapy.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Damn. Now she clocked you twice. Double on set.

[B]

Double. And this was all within the first five minutes. God damn.

[A]

Help.

[B]

Well, Ms.

[A]

Seals, that girl is something else.

[B]

She was like.

[A]

But you're like, yo, what else do you fucking know about me?

[B]

Nah, I was just appreciative of somebody being honest.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I. Don't be like that. Be the thing. I tell my team that all the time, too. It's like, bro, if you feel like I'm missing the mark, say something. Because don't get me to thinking I'm right about everything.

[A]

Yeah, don't blow smoke up my ass.

[B]

Cause I'm also, like, very critical of myself. Where it's like, okay, I could have said this different. I could have said that different. I missed the mark on that. So if I'm that honest with myself, why you feel like you can't be honest with me? Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause if you fuck up, I'm gonna say something, right?

[A]

Well, maybe they don't think you fucked up.

[B]

Maybe. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Sometimes we're hardest on ourselves, and other people are like, girl, it was great. Calm down.

[B]

Yeah. You feel me? So I do. Yeah. Because I just had a live show, and I was like, I don't know if I killed that. I still be thinking, better be like, bruh, that shit was amazing.

[A]

People loved it.

[B]

They loved it. I was like, okay, all right, bet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. So I think that's gonna keep me sharp too, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I went to speak at a school for the first time, and.

It just so happened that one of the students parents was a therapist and decided to come see what their child was like, so interested in and was like, are you in therapy? And then I got colleagues. I know somebody would be perfect for you just based on, like, how you taught what you speak. Your experiences are. Because they have a similar background and they'll be able to relate to you, but also help you, like, maneuver some of these mental pathways.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We had our first session, and it went great.

[A]

Lovely.

[B]

And it was like, the first time that somebody said shit to me that had me, like, speechless. Like.

Damn.

[A]

It's something about getting clocked by a therapist that.

[B]

God damn. I was like.

He was like, yeah. He was like, yeah, just. Just sit with that. Sit with that.

[A]

There's a lot of sitting with that in the process. Absolutely. Yes.

[B]

I fuck with it, though. It feels good to be.

Seen, like, in an unbiased way. It actually, like, made me feel more comfortable with being honest. Like, you know, I think there's things, like, for us, we should do, like, you shouldn't lie to your doctor. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you should lie to the cops.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But you shouldn't lie to your.

[A]

Don't lie to the paramedics.

[B]

Yeah, don't lie to the paramedics. Like, if you OD'd, you OD'd. They need to know that. Tell them so they can help.

[A]

I found a needle. I made a choice.

[B]

I was doing my thing.

[A]

You got to tell them the. You got to tell them niggas so they can save your life.

[B]

Yeah. Like, if you just been out here fucking raw. Tell your doctor so they can do the Run the right test and get you a proper assessment.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Go to the dentist.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Don't lie to your therapist.

[A]

Right. Because lying to your therapist only gets in the way of your progress.

[B]

It's also actually crazy. Is it?

Do you want to get better or do you want to just be a liar?

[A]

Well, so I have a master's degree in mental health counseling. I finished that degree last year.

[B]

And a lot of people handle your business.

[A]

No, I think I have maybe a different perspective on it because I've worked with clients in that capacity. I've been a therapist before, so I know that sometimes people aren't fully honest. Cause they're not ready to tell that truth. They're afraid of it. They're afraid of what might happen if they do. They're afraid of being judged, even by a therapist. And I think it's more rare for people to just be like, oh, I just want to come in here and fuck around and waste my time, Waste my money. Waste this bitch's time. I think it's usually you got something else psychologically going on. There's a part of you that's trying to protect you. It's unfair from what you think. Yes. Will be a negative circumstance or a negative outcome of you being fully honest. But sometimes people are just in deep pain and they not ready to talk about it. Like, I had clients go. I was a therapist for a year and a half, and I saw a lot of my clients from the beginning of my internship right through to the end that whole year and a half. So I worked with them that whole time and really saw them go through a lot of growth and change. But, like, there would be things that came up six, eight, nine months over a year into us working together that they had never mentioned before simply because we had to build that rapport. We had to build that relationship.

[B]

Yeah. They gotta get that trust established. That makes sense, though. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, some people walking around with some, like, extremely deep, traumatic things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you don't just share that with everybody.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know? Cause we. We ain't even scratched the surface yet. I know I got a lot of shit that I need to unpack. But at the same time, you know, bro gonna earn his money. So you feel me? I think another thing that's important though, too, is, like, related to you, is like, how do therapists seek therapy?

[A]

Well, a lot of therapists do just have their own therapist, but since I.

[B]

Was a student, it's like a Russian doll.

[A]

Yes. And so, you know, you have your grand therapist and your great grand therapist. And I think at a certain point, maybe they don't need the. They don't have the need to go see somebody in that particular way. But if you're working with a client that's really struggling in a way that you need help with, sometimes you can go to another therapist for help with that or what's very common, or maybe not very. But what's common is sometimes clients will be working on something that's deeply triggering for you.

[B]

Cause you got your own shit, right?

[A]

Cause therapists are just human, and we have our own shit. So a client is talking about being sexually assaulted, you've been sexually assaulted. And their story sounds just like yours, or your client sexually assaulted somebody and you've been sexually assaulted.

If you wanna. Sometimes it's like a situation of I can't help you, like, I have to refer you to somebody else. But sometimes it's a matter of, I need to go talk to somebody to let this out and process it so that I can show up in my best self for you and not let my personal experience cloud the way I treat you.

[B]

So that's real?

[A]

Yeah. Mm.

[B]

A lot of things to consider.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, grad school was an incredible experience for me. I really learned a lot. And even though I've been in therapy myself for so long, having that experience and seeing what it's like from the other side, it completely changed my perspective on so many things. And what it really did was expand my ability to empathize with just about anybody.

[B]

Like, yeah, same, though.

[A]

The worst people in the world, I can see how they got there, you know?

[B]

I think that's another thing for me too, is just, like, being shameless and being empathetic. So, like.

I had went to a place where it's like, I really wanted to see who my friends was in a way where it's like, okay, for a year, I'm just gonna say whatever the fuck I think, mm, okay, I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do. And it's just like, we'll see who's still standing at the end of the year. Now that's kind of like, in hindsight, it's kind of funny a little bit. That's quite the approach to, like, silently challenge a friend. But it also was a thing of, like, I was so tired of, like, worrying about how people perceive me. Okay, so. But the empathetic part is like, yeah, I understand, like, root causes, bro. Like, you had to arrive here some type of way. But it's also the approach That I take to, like, addressing our community issues. Like, the issues that we have in 2025 didn't start in 2025. So, like.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And then we need to see how these things have comp. Over time. Right. So I understand things from that perspective to the point where it's like, I can also understand how you have become a racist. I can also understand, like, why you seek power through sexual gratification. Like, all these different things, they make sense. They don't make the Right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I think by understanding how people arrive at things, then you like, okay, we got to fix whatever the root causes. And we can do that.

As a country or at least as a community. Yeah, you know, the country, maybe, not the community.

[A]

Because first of all, a person has to be open to receiving that kind of feedback, that kind of help in the first place. And so many people are not. You can't force therapy and healing onto somebody.

[B]

That's a fact.

[A]

Cause the therapist don't heal you. You heal you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I compare it to, like, the therapist is the gps, but you drive in.

[B]

The car for sure, and you can.

[A]

You can stop. You can get out that bitch. You can cut the GPS off.

[B]

You can know better. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You can be like, nah, bitch, I'm.

[B]

Not this way faster getting on the phone.

[A]

I don't care what you say.

[B]

It's like, okay, yeah, that's real.

[A]

That was your bad.

[B]

I feel like.

For the most part.

People grow up.

So fast. Like, there's this idea. I think, like, you remember when we was growing up, we had, like, teen shows.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Things go from, like, like, extremely childish to extremely adultified. Like that.

[A]

Yes. And that's much worse these days.

[B]

Segue. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, so I think because people think that they're. As we all do as kids, we think we're ready for adulthood. And then we just, like, realize, like, adulthood in America is some bullshit.

[A]

Yes, it is. It is.

[B]

It is some bullshit.

[A]

It is.

[B]

And then it's like, damn, I want to be a kid again. So this is where we get into people, like, healing that inner child. And I think it's good that people have access to, like, words that match their feelings. I don't think it's good that people weaponize therapeutic or psycho psychological psychiatric terms for their own benefit.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That gets a little nutty.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because, like, it feel like everybody learned narcissists at the same time.

[A]

Oh. And they do not know what it means?

[B]

Well, every cause. But the thing is, is like, like, we also possess, like, traits and emotions on a spectrum. So everybody is a little narcissistic. Everybody has ego. Like when people say, oh, I have no ego, it's like, don't trust you. I don't trust you. Cause, nigga, what you mean? You ain't no human, right?

[A]

If you say you have no ego, I know you have a massive ego.

[B]

Nah, it's extremely ego.

[A]

You don't wanna be perceived.

[B]

It's a little too much fucking ego.

[A]

Right? You have an issue with being perceived as human and therefore capable of making. But no, there's actually a lot going on there. But that's an excellent point. We do all have the capacity to do certain things. We do all have certain traits. That's why diagnosis is more than just, oh, well, I was real selfish last night. My girlfriend wanted the last piece of pizza, but I ate it. It's deeper than that. It's more about a pattern of behavior and it happens over a certain amount of time and it's detrimental to your life. And so. And it's more than one thing that you do. You know, it's five traits that you have, or eight or nine traits. Like, it's not just, oh, well, you did one fucked up thing, therefore you have this disorder. It's not that simple.

[B]

I think because of social media.

And how we, like, utilize it and engage like, with it, we've flattened ourselves so we don't see ourselves as like complex humans. Because.

People don't even, like, when you have opinions that are like, on two totally different sides of the spectrum, it's like, I am a person though. I can hold two different opinions. I can hold opposing positions.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But also, there's not people that are willing to put themselves in other people's shoes. So that concept of having opposing opinion, it's a foreign concept to them. It doesn't even make sense. Right? But this is like how we flattened ourself out where it's like we're not even allowed to be like, multi dimensional. Right. I jokingly was talking some shit about something that happened on the stream where this young dude had met LeBron and he jumped up in the air and hit like a full split. And I just thought it was funny. And it was like, you was just talking about empowering the black community. It's like, yeah, yeah. And I've been talking about this. This nigga hit a full split in the air. That's insane. You know what I'm saying? I love LeBron. I do. And then I likened it because it's like, I just. Whatever I think is funny, I'm gonna say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, if Michael Jordan was present, that nigga would have shot that nigga with his tongue out.

Cause you know Michael Jordan before.

[A]

Yes. Why would you say some shit like that?

[B]

I said, that nigga would have been.

[A]

Like.

Oh, he would have joined an asshole.

[B]

He's a dickhead. I just thought it was funny. And so then it just started a LeBron debate. So now we started to debate about whether I'm really for the black community.

[A]

Oh, wow. How did we get there?

[B]

Don't fucking know. It's pro black until we make fun of black people. Like, bro.

[A]

Oh, man. Sometimes niggas do funny things. I'm so sorry.

[B]

Sometimes shit is funny also, too. Like, you should, like, live and, like, have some balance and duality in your life, nigga.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because when you overly woke, you is annoying.

[A]

Well, you know, I think that's so interesting because a lot of people see the world and all these social issues in black and white. And what is so important to know is that life happens in the gray area.

[B]

Life, that is literally life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

When people are too black and white. I can't fuck with it.

[A]

No.

[B]

Cause it's like, you ain't thinking.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You are only taking things as they are presented.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And I can't fuck with that because the lack of critical thinking is either out of fear or out of pure conformity. Like, you're a pure conformist. That means whatever. A nigga. If a nigga tell you to jump, you're gonna say, how high? Every time.

[A]

Yeah. There's a lot of reasons why people feel that way. But it's so important to have a dialectical way of thinking, holding within yourself the fact that two things can be true.

[B]

Facts.

[A]

I'm for the black community. And that nigga hitting a split in midair when he saw LeBron was hilarious.

[B]

That's insane. And then also, too, it's also this odd thing that's happening for me where I'm starting to realize, like, oh, I can't even, like, fully. I can, but, like, fully being myself on social media is foreign to, like, 250,000 people. Because people that have been following me from the beginning, they know, like, he might say the wildest shit in the world and then circle back with some extremely profound. And it's all gonna happen within the course of an hour.

[A]

Yes. It happened over the course of this hour.

[B]

You did.

[A]

You recommended Dr. Umar and Tariq Nasheed. And then in the same breath, you started talking about ending capitalism and eliminating the billionaire.

[B]

This is me, bro. This is me. And so it's like.

I just think that.

The reason why we struggle with progress is because we're extremely rigid. And you don't know who the fuck Fred Hampton was outside of his speeches, you've only seen clips of him. If you think that nigga was walking around every day.

Lacking humor, lacking nuance, lacking relaxation.

Bro. Every person that you know is a person. As, you know, people. So, like, even if they said and did profound things and like enacted real movements, they also had, like, other sides to them. This is their forward facing position because this is the shit. Like, this they shit.

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Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? If I'm sitting here, niggas say I'm a die revolutionary. Like, he meant that shit.

[A]

He meant that shit for real.

[B]

But I'm pretty sure he was cracking jokes at some point and Hoss was smoking mad cigarettes and shit like that. Like, that's a profound person. That's a person that's like, also, like, the thing that make you feel like you can't be profound is because you have complexity.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Nigga, you ain't a fucking robot. Like, I'm not a pro black robot. Like, I'm not doing that.

[A]

Yes. I'm not this super serious mental health therapy all the time type person. Like, I'm also silly and goofy and sometimes a bitch and sometimes I get it wrong. And, you know, we have. We are dimensional, multi dimensional, and we like.

[B]

Like, that is a thing that needs to be approached with a little bit more, like, seriousness in our community is like allowing people to be people. Like, allowing people to make mistakes, allowing people to be wrong. We don't want the government to censor us, but we'll censor each other. That's insane to me. We cancel more niggas than anybody else. Like, we be canceling each other like a motherfucker.

[A]

We do.

[B]

And because we have this, like, perfectionism to us, and it's all generated from this idea of how other people will view us.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Mostly white people. I don't give a fuck what. Nobody be white, black. You know how the niggas like to say purple, green with polka dots.

[A]

I hate that shit.

[B]

Nigga, you show me a purple N and I'm gonna tell you, follow him.

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Show me a pink nigga.

[B]

Follow him.

[A]

And I'm gonna still say.

The point that I'm making doesn't change.

[B]

It don't change, bro. So it's like, at the same time, without this rigid perfectionism, actually, nobody's gonna be successful.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Actually, you're gonna end up canceling everybody. Yes. And if that's what you live for, cool. You know what I'm saying? You'd be a loser on your phone. But I'm saying let people be people and let people redeem themselves. That whole thing of going back on nigga tweets 10 years ago, it's like, bro, people, do you know how.

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Twitter.

[B]

I'm gonna tell y' all something. If y' all knew me 10 years ago, it wouldn't be none of this.

[A]

You said, actually don't even ask no questions about me 10 years ago.

[B]

No, I literally was not on Twitter 10 years ago. Cause I was like.

The digital footprint of the things I'm willing to say, the things that I'm willing to let come outta my mouth.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

This ain't for me.

[A]

Smart.

[B]

Cause at least with a video, you can, like, review it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, review it before you post.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Cause it's like you care about the angles and what words. Nigga. Just let that fly.

[A]

And the next thing you know, 8,000 niggas talk about how you don't deserve to live.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

In a real way.

[A]

We got there quick.

[B]

Goddamn.

[A]

Deontay Kyle, thank you so much for being on the couch tonight. Please tell the people where they can.

[B]

Find you, Deontay Kyle. On all social media platforms.

The Grizzly nest podcast on YouTube, the Grizzlynays podcast on Patreon. And if you. If you know what I'm saying, you trying to book or inquire? Deontayeontecyle.com that's my. That's my email and shit.

[A]

Thank you for being here and thank you for tuning in to Chrystal's Couch. Find us on social media, Hristal's Couch. And if you have a question for me, you need some advice, send me an email. Advicerystlescouch.com.