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Shane Cashman
Foreign.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You know who Tom o' Neal is, who wrote the Chaos book?
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Shane Cashman
Of course. Have you heard your episode? Did you.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What did you think about that story.
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Shane Cashman
He told about Manson?
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
About.
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Shane Cashman
Made perfect sense. That was before I met Manson. And so he met a different Manson because he met the Manson that was like, you know, into doing some wild stuff.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That's the Manson I would want to meet. I don't really. That's like. I don't like. It's. I feel like that with all musicians too. Even like. Like Gucci, man. I don't. I want the Gucci. The old Gucci, before he went prison, when he was up on drugs all the time.
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Shane Cashman
See, I liked. I like both. I like the old Gucci and I like the old Manson. But I'm happy that they're healthy now and that they're getting like. I still think Gucci's putting out good music and I. This record is my. One of my favorites of his. But, like. Yeah. I mean, 90s Manson is peak.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
Art for me. That's how I grew up on that stuff.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
But his band. His band is amazing. He's got the drummer from Dill and Drisgate Plan. Is that that young dude? Gil. Gil Sharon, I think is his name on drums. He played on ir, Works on Dillinger. Amazing drummer. So they're like live. This band insane. It's the heaviest. He sounded really like. It's like the 90s Manson, but now with like, people from bands I listen to, like 10 years ago that were like, bigger than that scene with like, Horse of band and Dillinger and all that good stuff. I love it. Yeah, he's like. He looks. He looks great.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He definitely looks skinnier.
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Shane Cashman
It was a great show. Yeah. He killed it live. I was. I was really impressed. And the audience was. It was like. I think I saw his second show back after everything that's happened and he's been silent the whole time, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That. That story Tom told just sounded like. Like a dream come true, you know, Like, I wouldn't need to.
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Shane Cashman
I.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
My life would be complete after doing. Drinking tequila and doing coke with Manson all night.
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Shane Cashman
It's like the perfect. The perfect way to meet that Manson. Probably before, like, the real downfall he went through with everything. Like, they. They just attacked this dude.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
Ruthlessly.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
For years. And I don't know, he. Manson's the guy who kind of taught me at a young age to not trust the media, you know, like how. How they came after him. 9 and when I was in eighth grade, Columbine happened. And all of a sudden I'm like, this person I listen to all the time is now like, this devil in the news. I'm like, that's. They're not. They're portraying him in a totally different way. So from there, I'm like, well, I can't trust these people. These talking heads are trying to sell me an idea that this person who I. I find his art, like, interesting and engaging, that he's this demon who, like, made these kids kill people, which is fake.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So do you think this is peak Manson, or do you think. Do you think it's.
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Shane Cashman
That's tough, because I think there's different eras of peak Manson. I like. I love Mechanical Animals. I star. I love American Portrait of American Family. They're all really good. There's some. There's some moments in there where we're not peak. We'll say that, you know, like, there were some times I'm like, there's good songs, but the albums weren't great. But this is a really good album. I love this new album. I was really telling. I was listening to it on the way here.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I'm gonna have to give it another shot.
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Shane Cashman
It's great. It's heavy. It's huge choruses, it's. It's. And it's. He's saying something like it's his way, you know, I was upset for a while because I was writing about him during this whole, like.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, were you?
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Shane Cashman
When they were, like, trying to just cancel him, whatever. Yeah, definitely wood stuff.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Is that when he sobered up during that whole period?
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Shane Cashman
I think so, yeah.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Probably sometime after, you know, they came after him. But, like, I was thinking, like, why isn't. This guy is the best at coming out and just speaking his mind and putting everyone down, you know, and he was quiet the whole time. I was upset, and I'm like, yeah. You know, I think now in retrospect, his art is his greatest weapon. And that's what this is like. It's not. It might not be so blatant saying, you know, screw these people. You know, this and that, but he is definitely speaking out against everything that happened to him and all these other people. I'm sure he knows that's happened to, you know.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
And he survived it.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What was the out. What was the actual outcome of it? Because there's been no, like, big reporting on it since it's ended.
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Shane Cashman
Because it's like, they settled.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
All the headlines happened when he got accused, and then it kind of Just fizzled out.
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Shane Cashman
She won in the court of public opinion, but she's a total liar, fraud. You know, like, she.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Evan Rachel Wood.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. She. She forged an FBI letter to. To get like. Which eventually got to his house being raided. They took all his stuff in la and she. She, like, kidnapped her own kid, right. From her father and took him to Tennessee. Because of Manson. Because she was telling the kid, like, this guy's gonna get us. So she was creating a boogeyman for her little kid, which is abuse, in my opinion. The kids never met him. You know, he has no idea who Manson is, but he's drawing pictures of this, like, monster.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
That his mom is telling him about.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Christ.
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Shane Cashman
At the end. I think he won. It's just in the court of public opinion. It's kind of like how it's always been for him.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
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Shane Cashman
He. He did.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You can never win. Like, you always. You're all. You've always lost once you had to go through that kind of stuff.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, he seems awesome. The latch was a great dude. I highly recommend it.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
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Shane Cashman
Sure. Oh, yeah.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I don't know if they're touring down here, but that'd be sick if they did.
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Shane Cashman
This is his home area, right? He was. Florida.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
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Shane Cashman
After Ohio, he, like, went to. To Florida. Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You know what's funny? You know, did you see the guy out in the lobby repairing the computer?
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Shane Cashman
I did, yeah.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You want to hear a funny story? His dad was the manager of a furniture store in Fort Lauderdale and worked with Manson's dad at the furniture store.
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Shane Cashman
No way.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
They were both furniture salesman.
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Shane Cashman
His dad sounded like a wild dude. Dude, like, dressing up, like, in KISS outfits and stuff. You like, this is why we got Manson, because his dad is, like, in the KISS Army.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, Right, right, right.
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Shane Cashman
That's hilarious. Yeah. I love that. But, yeah. No, it's sick. But I think. I think what happens now is, like, the fans understood what happened, and, like, they've been through so many cycles of whatever you want to. I hate the word cancel. I hate cancelization. It's just a dumb word now. It's, like, watered down, like all these other words in the news. But he's been through it for so long and through the. The. All the battles that, you know, he. He won. He's still. He's, like, selling out tours now and killing it. Killing it. Europe in Europe and all this stuff.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So how. How did. For people that don't know you, you. You started working with. With Tim Pool a few years ago, and like, so you're. You're like a journalist, sort of, like music journalist, and then you started, like, participating in the podcast. Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
You.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You did a. A piece on Kanye. Like a. Yeah, I've done a little bit of every sort of, like, bio thing on Kanye.
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Shane Cashman
I was. I was a professor for a while, like, for, like, almost 10 years. I taught, like, English and journalism and stuff like that. And I was also freelancing at the time as a music journalist and all types of stuff. I wrote about history and whatnot. I wrote for Pitchfork a few times. And so I was kind of just doing everything and not political stuff at all. But then, like, when lockdowns happened, I felt like I was going to puke if I didn't actually say what I was experiencing in New York, where I had a, you know, governor who was like a genocidal maniac murdering all these old people. So I had to say something. And then I kind of, like, losing my job. It can't be professor anymore because I'm refusing to get the shot they want me to take all these things. And so I quit, and I had nothing lined up. But I had forgotten, like, six months prior, I applied to something that Tim said, right? And I. He had some. He had a show at night, and I didn't tune all the time, but I tuned in one day. I'm like, oh, he's asking for a writer who does exactly what I was doing, because I did a little bit of everything. True crime, weird conspiracy stuff, music, a little bit, all that. And so after I quit the professor job, a week or two later, Tim hit me up. I thought it was fake. I was like, I'm. I'm so desperate. I'm going to just go to West Virginia and see what's. I forgot West Virginia was a state. I was like, that's a real thing. So went down to West Virginia, and I was hired that day. And so I started off just doing the Inverted World show, but it was like a serialized stories. You know, I would. True stories about different events, you know, conspiracies, ghost stories, paranormal stuff that kind of morphed into books, and then that morphed into, like, me doing the weekly show. But throughout all that, I just had all these crazy opportunities because Kanye came by that. What was it, like, December. No, November 2022. And it didn't go well. People probably remember he walked out of the studio. Tim was like, I don't know what he was saying, but Kanye was not feeling it. And he got up and walked out. I happened to be there, because Tim told me the day prior that was going to happen. And I've been like, a giant Kanye fan. I wouldn't be a Kanye fan if I wasn't for a Manson fan. Right. Like, I see them as very similar.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, for sure.
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Shane Cashman
They're both like, you know, testing the zeitgeist comp constantly. So I was there, and he walked down after he walked out of the studio, and I was right there, and I tried to get him to go back upstairs. I was like, yo, people want to know what you're talking about. Like, I believe what you're saying. Like, it's crazy, but it's like, go up there and just tell people what you're saying, because, you know, it'd be great. He was like, not into it. And then I'm like, I. I can tell by his body language, he just doesn't want to talk about that. That is done now, whatever was upstairs in the studio.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Why did he actually walk out?
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Shane Cashman
It was something about, like. I think Tim was rehashing conversations he had had about, you know, like, the contracts and the Jewish lawyers that he had had all week long about with, like, Lex Freeman. And I think he was, like, rehashing that. And Kanye kept saying, like, I don't want to talk about something like that. I forget exactly what it was. But when he left, you know, that's where the whole. The whole thing, like, who is they, though? Came from, that conversation. So it was like. It was pretty wild time. And he came downstairs, and I'm like, all right, let's just talk about music. So we talk about music real quick. I brought up his opera that no one talks about, which is a great. He wrote a great opera, and he invited me to la, and I went to la, and then I spent the weekend with him going to church and going to church, went to church, went to Bible study. The first day, we were at his. At the Yeezy headquarters, because I was just going to profile him, and I thought it was just. Just going to be the one day. And I've been a fan of his for so long. Like, in June of that year, I just tweeted out, like, I'm going to interview Kanye one day. And then a few months later, just, like, happened. It was very bizarre. The CIA might be behind it. I don't know. Like, who knows how this happened? But I was out there for the day, and we had a great conversation about politics, religion, parenthood. And it was, like, funny, because the whole world was on fire because this is like, the day after, he was on Alex Jones and said, I love Hitler. So now the whole world's on fire. I'm in the airport as he's saying that, and people are telling me not to go, and I'm like, there's no way I'm not going. Like, I. This is. It's important to me, but I want to hear, like, from him, like, what's this all about?
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
I think my whole interpretation was it's like, Andy Kaufman. You know, I think he. He means a lot of this stuff.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But I know Andy Kaufman.
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Shane Cashman
He was, like, a great performative comedian. Comedian's kind of like. He was on SNL for a while, but he did a lot of. He was known for, like.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
We're like. He doesn't acknowledge that he's doing. Like, he's performing. No one, like, leans into it, says, it's real.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. No one really knew if it was a business.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, this is. This has nothing. This is old Stu.
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Shane Cashman
Is that Andy Kaufman from the past?
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. That must be Andy Kaufman's.
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Shane Cashman
There you go.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Ashes.
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Shane Cashman
I love Andy Kaufman, so. And I knew Kanye like, Andy Kaufman, so I wanted to go and get his perspective on it. So it was, like, funny, though. The whole world's on fire because of him, you know, Elon had just banned him off Twitter. All these things were happening. But inside that headquarters, it was, like, totally normal. Everything's fine. We were laughing, talking about art.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really.
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Shane Cashman
It was just like, I think. I think there's more to this, you know, I think he's definitely coming from a place of honesty with a lot of it, but a lot of it's also like, I want to push every possible button right now and see what happens, you know, which is reminding me of, like, a man.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Did he acknowledge this?
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. When I asked him about that, I said, is this Andy Kaufman? He said, it's Andy Kaufman and Bruce Lee together. So we had a good talk, and then he invited me to go to church the next day. And I didn't think that was actually going to happen, but he sent me the address, and I showed up. He shows up all alone with two guys. He had a driver and a homeless man that he picked up off the street who he called his biblical scholar. And straight up, this dude.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Biblical scholar dude had, like, a jumbled. Biblical scholar.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. Yep, yep. We sat next to both those guys in church, and then. And then we wrote. I wrote some lyrics, and we just had a good time, and I thought that was it. And then I. I went home and wrote my story. And, you know, people were not happy there. Some people who are like, this guy, you know, is a anti Semite for even talking to Kanye West. You.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You're an anti.
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Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah, it was like on Media Matters or something. Aren't you Jewish? Yeah, I was raised Jewish. I'm Christian now, but I was Jewish. That's why I was talking to him out there, because I'm like, you know, my experience growing up, I had a Catholic dad and a Jewish mother, so I was raised, like, a real messed up, you know? And I'm like, what you're talking about with a lot of people is so foreign to how I grew up, like, poor on a farm. But I also understand, like, what you're saying because there's a lot of people in the industry who have power, who treat you wrong. But I'm like. I'm just trying to say, like, it's also like this as well. Right. But at the time, I was actually, like, really thinking about being baptized. And I, you know, I had been since. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. After years of being militantly atheist.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
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Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Christianity is in vogue right now, man.
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Shane Cashman
It is. It's really. It's really. What's the Zoolander line? It's really in right now.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Podcast hosts are getting baptized left and right on Instagram.
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Shane Cashman
I actually brought my holy water. We can do one.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, did you really?
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Shane Cashman
No, no, no, no.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I had a guy bring holy. Holy oil in here one time.
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Shane Cashman
But I was. I was thinking about being baptized at that point. And for a year prior to me meeting Kanye, I'd done a podcast with a friend, a friend of mine, and I mostly talked about how I don't know how to pray, and I was really, really interested in praying, and I didn't know how. I felt like a fraud praying. And after years and years of just straight up mocking God all the time, like, you know, I was just like an atheist and just didn't know any better. And that's, you know, it's whatever. But that the atheism is a form of religion.
- [12:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yes.
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Shane Cashman
And when. When I went to Kanye, it was funny because when I got home, the story's published, I thought that was it with Kanye. He would call me all the time. So we were on the phone now, like, constantly, every day, multiple times a day. And what he wants me to do is to help him write prayers. So it was hilarious to me that after a year of me, like, publicly saying, like, I want help writing prayers, knowing how to pr, now he's like, we're writing Prayers. And he's like. We're like. It's like a creative writing workshop where I'm texting him prayers and he's texting back criticisms of how to make this better, stronger, prayers. And, like, we would do that and, like, write lyrics. So, you know, it was. It was profound for me, just because I was already in the mindset of, like, religion being important to me all of a sudden, because I wanted. I knew I wanted my kids to have some religion.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
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Shane Cashman
I was like, oh, yeah. Even though I was like. I was like, I don't need it, but I want my kids to have just. I felt like the moral structure of society was disintegrating and they needed some kind of foundation to inherit the future. That's going to be depraved. And all futures are, you know, it's always depraved. The world is like a crazy world, and you're always going to have, you know, bad things out there. But, yeah, for me and my wife, we were like, religion is going to be like an anchor for them. So I took it seriously for them at first, and then for me, it became serious. I. I took it more seriously, like, later on. So, yeah, it was. It was a weird turn of events. So, like, I do all those in terms of, like, the stories and writing with Tim, you know, the Kanye thing was, like, such a different change of pace from all the inverted world stuff.
- [14:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
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Shane Cashman
It was like, why is Shane even going to LA to talk to Kanye? It made no sense, right. To anyone else I was working with unless they knew I was a Kanye fan. Because it wasn't like a ghost story. It wasn't aliens. It wasn't anything.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
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Shane Cashman
It was, like the perfect story for me. And it gave me a lot of opportunities after that to then write a lot of different profiles of people in politics and outside of politics and the music that were really, like, awesome to do. You know, I got to talk to Mia and Billy Corgan, stuff like that. And then politicians and whatnot, which are not as much fun, in my opinion, because they're liars.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it was interesting to see his. The little video he did with academics where he, like, showed up at the hotel and he just seemed like totally normal guy. And then all of a sudden he's like, hold on, let me get my. Let me get my costume out of my backpack.
- [14:59]
Shane Cashman
That was a perfect example of Andy Kaufman. Because if you watch that. If you watch that interview, he shows up. It's super normal. Like how I was explaining in the Easy Headquarters. Yeah. And Then he tells academics, I'll be right back. And if you look at that exact moment, he looks at the camera and smiles. He smirks.
- [15:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yo, Steve. Is your address 6969 Road?
- [15:19]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [15:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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Shane Cashman
But not Steve, your producer.
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Shane Cashman
And you're like, oh, wow. He. It's funny to him. Like he. And he comes out. It's like. It's like a curb your enthusiasm episode.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
Comes out. It's like Larry Davis complaining about, oh, the. The hood in my Klansmen.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How fit it's hiding my swastika chain.
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Shane Cashman
And he puts on Tim's. You know, it's. It's h. The only thing I'll say is different with Andy Kaufman is you never knew when he was being honest. I do think Kanye saying things he does probably believe the Twitter is a different story because I think he's just pushing every like, nuclear button at the same time. But he definitely has issues with these people in the industry and like the way he sees.
- [17:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Sure.
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Shane Cashman
You know, the things operating behind the scenes with the Kendrick in the super bowl and like how you take out these celebrities. Because when I was with him, we were talking a lot about Prince and Michael Jackson and he was worried that that was his future. Right.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, really?
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Shane Cashman
And they were both kind of, in my opinion, and his murdered. Right. Like, Prince was given fentanyl. He didn't know it was fentanyl. He thought it was taking a painkiller. And that person, I don't think they even found that person, you know. And Michael Jackson's doctor went to jail for like two years.
- [17:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
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Shane Cashman
For giving him propofol.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Propofol, yeah.
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Shane Cashman
You know, and Kanye, having had that experience of being put away years prior, really put him into ideas. Like MK Ultra.
- [17:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. That crazy story with that dude, Harley Pasternak. Yeah.
- [17:59]
Shane Cashman
It was like his trainer and he's like a trainer.
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Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Spooky dude.
- [18:03]
Shane Cashman
I would, as a father, I would not take that lightly. Like, it was. He was threatening your family.
- [18:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah.
- [18:08]
Shane Cashman
And. And you're like, you know, Kanye play.
- [18:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Dates will never be the same.
- [18:10]
Shane Cashman
Insane. And it's kind of what happened. Like, I'll say, like, it is kind of what happened. Kanye didn't make it easy for himself by doing certain things, you know, when it comes to the family and stuff. Because it's easy for them to play that against him. Be like, see, like he's, he's crazy and stuff like that. So it's like hard. You know, I have issues sometimes with some. Some of the things he does in terms of sacrificing the innocence of his children, you know, with things that he brings around them. And, you know, what is the story.
- [18:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
With that Harley guy? Is he just some personal trainer or what? Do we know what his background is?
- [18:40]
Shane Cashman
He's like a Canadian, like handler, from what I understand. Yeah. I don't know too much about him, but like, I know he, he kind of oversees lots of celebrities. I think Justin Bieber is one of them as well. And a lot of these people who you see under his umbrella have issues like big time, like Bieber's and I don't know what his deal is, but people are saying he's like MK Ultra now. I think it's possible, you know, I.
- [19:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Think it's totally possible.
- [19:02]
Shane Cashman
They go after celebrities, they create celebrities, they drug celebrities. You know, what was it? Weird scenes from Laurel Canyon. Do you ever read that one. No, it's a good book to read after you've read something like Chaos.
- [19:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Okay, what's it called? Weird.
- [19:15]
Shane Cashman
I think it's. It's weird or Wild Scenes from Laurel Canyon. And it's. I'm gonna say it's not really well written, but it's got great information and interesting connections. And it's all about how basically like the counterculture was created in Laurel Canyon from like the Mamas and the Papas, Frank Zappa, and how a lot of them might have been CIA connections.
- [19:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Weird, weird scenes inside the canyon.
- [19:36]
Shane Cashman
I think the author's gone now, unfortunately. But it's good. People like talking, talk about this a lot when they come up, when they talk about Chaos. It's a. It's not as well written as. Chaos is like a masterpiece. I love that. Right. But this is really good to read after that or. And also read. And with like Poisoner in Chief. That's a great book as well.
- [19:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops and the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream.
- [20:00]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Then they talk about like creating characters out of actors. I forget. Oh, I forgot the guy's name. Now. There was one actor who was like the first guy to be arrested for having weed in like the 50s or 60s. I'm forgetting his name. Some kind of like, you know, he's a megastar.
- [20:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [20:18]
Shane Cashman
But in the book they talk about how this is all pre planned because they want to create a certain type of vibe for this guy. Right. Because it's like, how do we make him look like a bad guy in the public? And so, you know, and it goes into a lot of connections with like Morrison's father, you know, in Vietnam and stuff like that. And Zappa's father, I think he was like a bio warfare type guy or some kind of chemical warfare guy. Holy. There's weird connections. And you just be like, well, there's coincidences, you know. Yeah, I don't really believe in a lot of coincidences, especially when it comes to this stuff.
- [20:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [20:49]
Shane Cashman
Because we know they pump out these people like, like Laurel Canyon, if you read this book, sounds like it was an assembly line. And also Mountain Look, Observatory is up there. That's where they say they filmed the moon landing. It's like a giant CIA underground.
- [21:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really.
- [21:03]
Shane Cashman
Headquarters. It's huge. Jared Leto owns a mountain.
- [21:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wood.
- [21:06]
Shane Cashman
Mountain Look, I think. I think it's Mountain Look, Observatory.
- [21:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Is that what Bart told us? Where they said Bart said it was somewhere in Nevada, I think. Maybe. I don't remember. Whatever he thought he said it was A name of some Air Force base.
- [21:19]
Shane Cashman
Whatever goes on there. They say, like, tens of thousands of propaganda films were pushed out of this place. And. And, like, major stars would go there and hang out, and no one really. I don't know, like. I don't know what came out of it, you know, but that it's there. Dude.
- [21:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I saw a photo yesterday of Stanley Kubrick in somewhere in Europe where they were filming 2001 Space Odyssey. And he was, like, walking from the studio to, like, another building or whatever, and Jolly west is standing right behind him.
- [21:52]
Shane Cashman
No, no.
- [21:54]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Find it. Google Stanley Kubrick. Jolly West.
- [21:57]
Shane Cashman
Holy crap.
- [21:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I think it was Brent from the dude we had in here last week who was. Who made that video.
- [22:04]
Shane Cashman
Oh, that's crazy, dude. Seeing that guy show.
- [22:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Jolly west is everywhere.
- [22:08]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's insane.
- [22:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Turn on the volume.
- [22:14]
Shane Cashman
Landing. I've said this in other lives before. There's a picture of Stanley Kubrick when he's doing 2001 and he's in England. They called the studios NASA east, which is hilarious. And he's doing his shoot there, and there's a picture of him walking with a group of guys, and they're. And they have them all identified except for one guy behind them. He's in a row behind them, walking. And that guy that they didn't identify, that has never been identified, is Louis Jolly and West of MK Ultra. And west was a specialist in controlling people, creating cults. There's a large portion of his information that's never made it out into the public that he was working a lot with UFO people and witches and Satanists and all that to create those subcultures. Jolly and west was running one of the free clinics in one of the counterculture areas of San Francisco, Francisco. Jolly and west was running it at the time, clandestinely. And Manson was there getting treatment with the Manson family. And so Jolly and West was involved with that. Jolly and west was involved with Jack Ruby. Jolly and west was involved with Sirhan Sirhan. Jolly and west was involved with Whitley Strieber, the UFO guy. Didn't know that. Jolly and west was involved with.
- [23:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Neither did I.
- [23:24]
Shane Cashman
The Stanford Research Remote Viewing Experiment. Jolly and west was involved with a lot of things. Guys, if. If that's where the. The moon landing.
- [23:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
This guy's. This guy's awesome.
- [23:35]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, he.
- [23:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He, like, covers all the craziest conspiracies, but he, like. He, like, calls out all the online.
- [23:45]
Shane Cashman
That's good, because there's.
- [23:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Because all these, like. Like the u. The whole UFO religion that exists and all these other, like, psychedelic religion, like, he calls out all the, like the crazy just bias that happens online with these people and like, how stupid it's becoming.
- [24:00]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. People in every industry, including the conspiracy world, want confirmation bias. So they're willing to accept anything if it, you know, confirms their narrative that they want to believe in. I wonder if Jolly West, Ultra, the astronauts, like, personally, was he alive still?
- [24:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Might have been. Oh, yeah. Find out. When did Jolly west die?
- [24:19]
Shane Cashman
Because those guys looked crazy when they came back. Yeah. Like, I think. I think they might have Ultra. The. The women who went to fake space yesterday, 1999. Oh, my goodness. What? He lived that long? That's a lot of people.
- [24:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That's wild.
- [24:33]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Look at it. That's crazy, dude. I. I would love to see. I haven't read a book on him or anything. I've just seen what, what Tom o' Neill has written about him and like the tertiary stuff, you know, Sirhan Sirhan. I didn't know about Whitley Striver, but that's.
- [24:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I had no idea about Whitley Strieber either.
- [24:49]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. These people, they're. These are like the psycho magicians, you know that the CIA, they talk about it in Poisoner in Chief, you know, when.
- [24:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [24:57]
Shane Cashman
They. They literally hired magicians to help them figure out how to control people's brains and create illusions.
- [25:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [25:03]
Shane Cashman
You know, and they did that with the help of hallucinogenics and stuff and.
- [25:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [25:07]
Shane Cashman
You know, Ruby, did you see the.
- [25:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Interview of Jolly west? Right after he came, he had that meeting with Ruby and he went to prison or whatever. He came out and he was just like, I have a. Immediately. I don't know if you can find the actual video of it. It's kind of hard to find. But it was in Tom's new do documentary on Netflix, the new Chaos documentary.
- [25:24]
Shane Cashman
I haven't watched it, dude.
- [25:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's so good. And he comes out and he's just basically like, he's mentally unstable and he's unfit for a trial.
- [25:32]
Shane Cashman
Really?
- [25:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah. Like, with it. With, like within three hours of visiting him, he comes out and just basically makes the claim that he's completely unfit and. And mentally unhealthy.
- [25:41]
Shane Cashman
And they say in the book that he seemed fine up until Jolly showed up.
- [25:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, right.
- [25:45]
Shane Cashman
Like, everything was cool.
- [25:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [25:47]
Shane Cashman
And all a sudden, like, that's why I. I feel like the scarecrow from Batman, man, is Jolly West. You know, he goes in and scares these people with some type of drug and then they all of a sudden lose their minds.
- [25:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [25:58]
Shane Cashman
That's what this guy is.
- [26:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, man, it's crazy.
- [26:02]
Shane Cashman
Now he's got to think about like, who's. Who's the jolly west today? It's not even, it's probably not even a person. It's just a bunch of things working together to slowly dose you out of your mind. Nice slow dose out of the, out of the sky or whatever. They're putting it in your.
- [26:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, they don't need drugs to control minds anymore. They got computers to do that. They got social media and all this, all this stuff to do work for them.
- [26:23]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, they're definitely doing that. I was the whistleblower from Facebook. Do you see any of this from yesterday? They had this crazy whistleblower about Facebook before the Senate and she was talking about how Facebook secretly watches, like they can target specific age groups and in particular she was saying Facebook was looking at 17 to 18 year old girls and if they delete a selfie, it might mean they're a little depressed. And they send that data to advertisers because they believe that when you're sad, you're more willing to buy something.
- [26:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [26:55]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. And like she had this whole thing about it, like, it's insane, you know, and like they're just harvesting all the data.
- [27:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
This was just yesterday.
- [27:02]
Shane Cashman
She said. Yeah. Yep.
- [27:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
- [27:04]
Shane Cashman
She's. She's saying. And she's, you know, who knows? I feel like everyone lies when they're testifying. But she's saying that he, you know, Zuckerberg was lying under oath about all that years ago because they're worried about this back in 2018.
- [27:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [27:14]
Shane Cashman
How they target people either individually to censor them or like large groups of people to see if they can sell to advertisers.
- [27:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [27:23]
Shane Cashman
So that's just like one type of group, you know, the young teenagers, you know, women who seem depressed and they're like, well, they might need this new handbag. We're gonna send this information to this so and so and they're gonna get this ad now and they're monitoring it that closely.
- [27:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That's crazy. Dude.
- [27:38]
Shane Cashman
That's dark, dude. That is dark. That is very, very dark world. I, I like, I don't want my kids have social media.
- [27:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No, me neither. I don't want my kid to have a smartphone.
- [27:46]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, no, for sure. I'm gonna give my kid like a telephone booth. But you're superman now. I really, I just don't trust. I think it's very harmful.
- [27:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I, I think it's. There's, there's like this kind of like small movement of Tech companies trying to like dumb, dumb down technology to make it more primitive. Like, there's this company that I have this, this thing right here. This thing is called a daylight computer. It's basically like a computer slash iPad.
- [28:15]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [28:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And there's like, there's no blue light in it at all.
- [28:18]
Shane Cashman
I like that.
- [28:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So like the blue lights, like really up the. The chemicals in your brain like when you do it. And it's super addictive. It's like a dopamine slot machine, like when you're staring at a phone and this thing has none of it. It's only like the red amber light. And it's like really good for reading. So like, if I. If I sit up at night and I like will read a PDF or read a Kindle book on this thing.
- [28:37]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, Yeah.
- [28:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I literally, I'm asleep within 30 minutes. I can't sit up and re. Like with a Kindle or with a phone, you can sit up for hours and scroll through stuff and it. Next thing you know, it's one in.
- [28:48]
Shane Cashman
The morning doing this. The red light.
- [28:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it's not.
- [28:52]
Shane Cashman
It's not as good, but it helps.
- [28:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No, it definitely helps.
- [28:54]
Shane Cashman
Addicted and I'm not reading like a crazy person all this stuff. And yeah, it definitely has helped, but like, I prefer. That's awesome.
- [29:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, dude, this thing's incredible. And there's also companies that are selling like phones that are like super dumbed down with like no connection and like, you know, the only calls and text.
- [29:09]
Shane Cashman
I just keep telling my wife we're gonna be Amish. I'm slowly removing every piece of technology from my house until we're. She wakes up and we're Amish. Like, welcome back to the past. Like, I grew up on a farm, dude, without like anything. I mean, we had things, but we have. I never computer growing up.
- [29:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [29:24]
Shane Cashman
Didn't have. We had a TV at a certain point, but that even that TV only had a few channels. So I'm like, I realize I have like weird Luddite capabilities, like in me already just from like not having air conditioning, not having Internet and like having to have special permission to like handwrite my essays to hand into the school because they're like, oh, Shane, poor Shane doesn't have a computer. My chicken scratch is now being handed in. And like, I. So like, I learned about computers way later than everyone else. Like, obviously, you know, I go to friends houses and be like, oh, wow, it's cool. I can use Napster here or something.
- [29:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [29:57]
Shane Cashman
I'm reading magazines and stuff. So I know what's going on. I wasn't completely under a rock, but pretty under a rock. But, like, I just see so many, so many positives come out of this stuff. But I think the negative stuff outweighs the positives, especially when you're seeing kids who are raised in that world.
- [30:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [30:15]
Shane Cashman
And, like, I think it's good that they're trying to dumb down technology and get it back to its core. But there's so many kids who are. Who are trapped in, like, this fake digital. Their digital life means more to them than their real life.
- [30:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [30:26]
Shane Cashman
Which is why I think we have more nihilism today and people with meaninglessness. And it's like, you know, violence is. Violence is a human. It's always been here. But there just seems to be like a different type of recklessness and nihilism today.
- [30:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [30:37]
Shane Cashman
With kids, like, they're, you know, killing themselves by accident, making selfies.
- [30:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [30:40]
Shane Cashman
It's all for the digital, you know, for the likes and stuff. And knowing that those companies, like Facebook was just telling you then take advantage of that. So they're, they're like steering you. Which is then what you were saying, MK Ultra. But we're mkulturing ourselves.
- [30:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. But like, is it, is it futile to try to fight it or is this just the way we go? Because, like, fundamentally, like, like with human beings where we are human beings because of technology.
- [31:05]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [31:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like, if it wasn't for fire, we wouldn't look the way we look today.
- [31:08]
Shane Cashman
Right. No, I mean, I, I don't want to be anti tech because I love that we get to do this.
- [31:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [31:13]
Shane Cashman
This is amazing. I got to fly here. You know, if I drove here, it'll be 24 hours. This is amazing. And I'm not anti tech and I think that's. The Luddites kind of get a bad rap because they're not really. They weren't anti tech either. They were anti being. They were anti, like, the tyranny of mass autonomy. So, like, they were using the technology of the day in 1810 or 1811, like the Weavers, you know, to make textiles. But when factories were being built and being filled with those machines and displacing those people's jobs is when they started attacking the machinery. So they weren't technically anti tech, you know, And I feel like, although I'm against the violence aspect, I'm. I'm against being, you know, out autonomy, out of like a work out of work. And that's going to happen across the world, so it's inevitable. It is futile. I think it's. I just think it's going to come down to, like, society having more ethics built into it, but it's going to be on an individual level because the companies that are doing it, like Facebook, like Google, like all these places, they have. Their ethics aren't a thing. You know, they're working directly like Zuckerberg. They're saying in that whistleblower thing the other day, he's working directly with China to build a censorship regime and they're censoring people. Zuckerberg, yeah. For years they called it a censorship regime. And they called the person over. Who was it? The chief editor. It's like, so Orwellian. So this person would oversee all these things. If anything got a certain amount of likes, the chief editor would. It would come to his desk and be like, okay, we gotta debuce this or whatever, or just nuke it out of. Into oblivion. And they would. And the Chinese government, through these, you know, leaks that they're getting with the emails and stuff, they would say like, hey, this is someone on American soil right now. But he's saying stuff we don't like here in China, so you gotta, like, get rid of that account. And they would do it. It. So, like, they have no ethics. And I, I think like, Zuckerberg's a complete fraud. You know, when he has his rebrand lately, it's like, I'm pro Trump and I have a fro now.
- [32:59]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So unnatural. The chain.
- [33:01]
Shane Cashman
I understand. Like, yeah, he looks like little Dicky. You know, Like, I don't buy a thing this guy says at all.
- [33:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like the. Read the comments of his interview with Rogan. Oh, so bad.
- [33:12]
Shane Cashman
I felt I was cringing for him. I was like, when Rogan asked him about the. The bow and arrow, he's like, you know, Rogan knows about his bows and arrows.
- [33:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah, I saw that clip.
- [33:21]
Shane Cashman
He's like, you can see him malfunctioning.
- [33:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, it's old.
- [33:23]
Shane Cashman
Sparks are.
- [33:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's definitely old.
- [33:26]
Shane Cashman
It's got a sharp point at the top. But, like, it's funny because people buy into it because when it comes to politics, you know, lately everyone's so, like, they want to be liked so bad by the people they think they hate. Like, like when it comes to, like a rich, like, wealthy, famous person, the right. Who seems to be so against it lately, you know, the second Elon or Zuckerberg does a rebrand, they're like, we love him. They share great memes and he, like, surfs and wears American flags. But Like, Zuckerberg is a straight up.
- [33:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He's not surfing, he's doing whatever he's doing. Fucking electronic foil board like a dork.
- [34:02]
Shane Cashman
Stupid. That video is ridiculous. But.
- [34:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But only something a billionaire would think was cool, right?
- [34:08]
Shane Cashman
So, yeah, I don't know. These people have no ethics. And seeing allegedly now that Zuckerberg's working so closely with like the Chinese government, which is in direct opposition to our government.
- [34:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [34:18]
Shane Cashman
It's like, okay, we can't trust these people. And he's probably, he's probably lied under oath. And I think that kind of extends to all these guys who are running the government currently.
- [34:28]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It feels weird right now. Like, it, the whole, like, the whole way, the whole podcast landscape is, is like so in lockstep with the current, like presidential administration.
- [34:44]
Shane Cashman
It's gross.
- [34:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And how they all were like there at the inauguration together was so weird to me.
- [34:50]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I think, I think it's the end of that world. I think we're gonna see this whole space is going to go through like a real tectonic shift.
- [34:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [34:56]
Shane Cashman
People are gonna not make it. People are gonna, you know, get better. But this administration, totally, I mean, and rightfully so, it was smart to use the podcast world. Right. Because the other side wasn't like, right. Kamala, you know what they call her daddy people, they paid for a fake studio, you know, and that, that show, that show didn't really get numbers. Right. No one cared.
- [35:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right?
- [35:16]
Shane Cashman
No one cares about that host. I'm sure she's got some fans out there. But, like, it wasn't a cultural shift, you know, Trump doing Rogan was a huge moment.
- [35:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [35:25]
Shane Cashman
Everyone watched that episode. It was pretty hilarious. You know, I enjoy seeing him do interviews, but like, now that they've gotten to office, watching the. What I would call the, the dissident voices from the so called right or whatever that is the podcast space now. They're so in lockstep with the establishment without questioning anything. I'm like, this is how we get back into more problems, guys. And then they really don't like when you criticize them because they're like, well, we got it. We. Our guys are in office. They're doing the best they can. It's only been three months. I'm like, yeah, but they don't. They're only allowing people around them right now who ask either illegitimate criticisms like from like the corporate press and their questions don't mean anything, or people who are asking just nice, easy questions, you know, And I think there's like real legitimate concerns that this administration should be asked, like, these questions about. About all the people around it, what they're doing. I understand it's still early, but, like, yeah, you know, it's. If you're looking at. From the political side of things, they only have a little bit of time before the midterms. So, like, people are going to want to see real change in like a year. Right before then they're about to go vote again for the people, you know, for the midterms, for senators and all that stuff. Yeah, congressmen. So, you know, right now he's kind of got everyone almost at his disposal, but it's going to change quickly. And then, like the. I've been calling it the day like independent media died was the binder gate thing when everyone got the Epstein binders. Did you see that? God, that was the most embarrassing thing. And, like, I know a lot of those people who are there, and I'm not mad at them per se. Like, I'm mad at the administration. Unless they knew about it. They all say they don't. So, like, I don't know that. But the administration, in my opinion, set up a photo op and walk them out for the stunt. Right?
- [37:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [37:03]
Shane Cashman
Because they're like, you know, someone will be like, oh, we didn't know. Okay, fair. And then, you know, they just gave us a bunch, like, they printed out a prop to put in your hand and then walked you out into a lawn where the photographers were. They'll say, well, they were there for so and so who was visiting from whoever was here from another country. And they're like, but there's other ways you can have led. Left the White House. You know, why did they give you a prop to hold and walk you out in front of the photographers? And it's not about just anything. This is about one of the most, most. The darkest, most sinister things that. Crimes that hurt children.
- [37:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [37:34]
Shane Cashman
And now you're condensed it down to you dancing with a binder. I was like, this is a bad look for independent media. You know, like, I think independent media has all the same problems as corporate press because it's just like a human nature thing. There's. There's greed, there's narcissism, you know, all that ego, all that stuff. So it's gonna be interesting to see, like, how these people navigate that world now, now that they've got their guy in office, because it's, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people just post selfies, you know, at the special events, and then, you know, I'll get the stuff like, oh, Shane's jealous. She's not there. I'm like, I would love to go and ask the question, but I know the questions I'm asking. I won't be invited back.
- [38:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [38:08]
Shane Cashman
So I love that. I'll go. I'll ask the questions. But they're not letting me back after that because I'm. I got bigger problems at play here. Because it's about our future. Like, the future that our kids are inheriting. You know, they're building, like, a dystopia around us. So.
- [38:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. And there's all these, like, huge people on. On social media and on podcasts, like, Chamath saying, like. Like. Like, not jokingly talking about, like, Trump needs a third term.
- [38:33]
Shane Cashman
I know.
- [38:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You know, and it's crazy.
- [38:35]
Shane Cashman
It's. And then.
- [38:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And then Steve Bannon. Like, I know.
- [38:37]
Shane Cashman
And I love. I love Bannon, too. But, like, I don't want that. And I. And I'm not gonna vote for Vance. Like, I don't like Vance. I think he's really smart. I like. I. He says things I really like. But he's got connections to Peter Thiel, which is someone like another one of these tech guys, you know, venture capitalists that he was born out of. Peter Thiel, you know, that's his mentor. He. He created him. You know, van. He's. Vance saw Teal talk at a. I think it was Yale. Love the speech. And then Teal, you know, helped him start his own venture capitalist firm and funding stuff. And they're. They're in Rumble and all that stuff and all these types of things. And I think Teal is one of the most, like, nefarious actors, really. And he's, like, deeply embedded in the right because he's one of Trump's biggest donors.
- [39:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Have you seen what he's been doing with Silicon Valley? And, like. And he's been. He's behind this huge new effort to basically map Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley. And he's, like, pro. Like, he's part of this church, and they're doing these huge conferences.
- [39:34]
Shane Cashman
I haven't seen that. I know he claims to be Christian. He's. He's. Strange guy.
- [39:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He's a gay Christian, billionaire, married gay Christian.
- [39:40]
Shane Cashman
He is a. He is a transhumanist vampire, though. We'll get to that in a minute. They all are. But, like, he says things I think are. He's extremely smart dude. Like, and he's been around for a minute. He's. He. Unfortunately, he helped build the surveillance state post 911 with Palantir and all these things. And, you know, I'm really against the surveillance state. I really think that is super dystopian. And he's made, I'm sure, billions of dollars off war, you know, on all the wars.
- [40:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [40:02]
Shane Cashman
Plus the surveillance state here and around the world. And, like, he's part of Facebook. You know, he helped create Facebook, he funded Facebook. So. And they're all. And Palantir was funded by Incutech, which is a CIA. Oh, in qtel. Right. That's like, that's a venture capitalist from, from the CIA. So, like, all that stuff is very alarming to me. And like, they don't like being questioned about that. But I didn't know about the, the Christian mapping thing.
- [40:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [40:25]
Shane Cashman
But I, I've seen him talk about religion.
- [40:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You can find the article, Steve. Just type in, just pipe. Type in Christianity in Silicon Valley and there's like a, There'll be a ton of articles. It's like this new, this new phenomenon that's happening. And like, you know, in, in the past, Christian or Silicon Valley has been like the opposite of. Oh, a religious place.
- [40:44]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah. You know, 11 years ago, Elon is saying he's with AI summoning the demon, but recently he says it's a digital God, so they've rebranded even that. Yeah. I haven't seen this, but like, he.
- [40:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Here's just one article. Yeah, there's, there's, there's. So there's been a lot of people writing about this lately.
- [41:02]
Shane Cashman
Interesting. Oh, freaking pay walls.
- [41:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [41:05]
Shane Cashman
It's ridiculous.
- [41:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. This is the one that I read right here.
- [41:08]
Shane Cashman
Interesting.
- [41:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Christianity is borderline. Was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley, and now it's the new religion. And what I think, I think it has something to do with national security. I don't know. I don't know exact. I don't think it's ideology. I think it's some sort of 4D chess. These guys are playing these, these leaders of these military industrial complex companies.
- [41:24]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [41:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That are, that are really pushing Christianity to all the people that work inside Silicon Valley.
- [41:30]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [41:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And I, I think it has. I mean, it, it's speculation, obviously. Right. Like, no, we don't know, but, like, who knows how these people think? But what if they think that you look at all these other countries that, you know, they. In the Middle east, for just one example, like, you have all these people that ascribe to a certain religious worldview. Right. You have religious extremists that are willing to go as far as dropping a Bomb to their chest. Oh yeah. And detonated in a public place. And here it's, it's the opposite of that. You have this crazy diverse array. There's not like one solid foundational worldview people have in America. So it might be some sort of thing that they're trying to do to bolster America or make America stronger.
- [42:14]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, like I don't, I honestly have a hard time believing anything he says. Although there's, he does say things I agree with. Like he, I think he also understands that the universities are like ideological death camps. I taught him, you know, I saw it's crazy what they're doing to kids minds. He says a lot of things I think are neat but like sometimes when I see this stuff I'm like, I think it's, this is just my theory. It's their way of trying to get the people on their side that they need. Right. Because for so long a lot of these guys were part of the so called left. It's left and right really doesn't need anything anymore because Trump's not even really right, you know, right leaning. Although he appears to be to the people on the left. But like they were darlings of the left for so long. Everyone loved Elon. I mean you go back 10 years and look at Elon on Colbert. They're oh we love you so much.
- [42:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
We love.
- [42:56]
Shane Cashman
They're clapping for Tesla. So same people are probably keying those Teslas today, right? Or selling their own Teslas. But I think a lot of this stuff is like, like so like something I hear a lot when I criticize someone like Elon or, or Teal cuz Rumble and then X and they, they'll say like oh well he's. Look at what they're doing for freedom of speech. I think that's amazing. I agree. X is a lot better. It's still a lot of problems and Rumble's pretty cool. But like my opinion is they're doing this to kind of endear themselves to the dissident voices. So now you're like what we're saying earlier with like independent media. A lot of these voices I'm seeing be reluctant to question these people now at all. Like you don't hear much about a lot of like negative stuff like legitimate like concerns about these people from the right or the so called dissident voices. I think that's the, that's like the most important conversation.
- [43:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
There's a few people but very few.
- [43:43]
Shane Cashman
Here like Whitney Webb.
- [43:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Kyle Kalinsky's been going hard.
- [43:46]
Shane Cashman
Oh, someone I never listen to.
- [43:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But really he's a guy who came out of Rogan. I mean he was literally created by Rogan.
- [43:53]
Shane Cashman
Do you think he has like legitimate concerns about Elon Musk? Just be like, I mean he's very.
- [43:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Critical of Rogan, Trump and Elon and all these people and calling out like all the. I think some of it is pretty, is, is pretty reasonable, but I think a lot of it is like, is like just super toxic and biased and just, you know, he's a little bit out of control.
- [44:10]
Shane Cashman
Because I'll see the left hate a lot of these people for the wrong reasons.
- [44:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [44:14]
Shane Cashman
You know, like, it's like a lot of like knee jerk reactions to things that I think kind of water down the real problems. Then the right just refuses to see the problems at all.
- [44:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [44:22]
Shane Cashman
Because they're so happy they, that they won't, you know, with the help of these people for sure. Because Teal is one of Trump's biggest donors since 2015. Ish.
- [44:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Alex Karp donated millions of dollars to Kamala. How funny is that?
- [44:32]
Shane Cashman
I know. That's why these people have no moral center. No. They're only their only path and their only goal in life is power over us and money. Right. Like they, they make money off these crises. Right. Like Covid, a lot of people made money off that. A lot of these social media companies made money off that will also destroyed people's lives.
- [44:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [44:49]
Shane Cashman
Right. Small businesses went out in New York. We lost thousands of small businesses. But these major companies were fine.
- [44:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [44:58]
Shane Cashman
So like, you see the things that they're creating. It's like the military industrial complex. You know what Palantir does, what Andrew will. I can't even say Andrew. Like, that's a weird company. Clearview AI is one of the scary ones to me with the facial recognition app, because it's like, it's, it's inescapable. Right. That's why the only thing, I don't know what to do other than like try to have ethics from the bottom up. Because these companies are not going to be like, well, you know, we're not going to use it for bad reasons. But the idea of what's bad is different every day in, in politics. You know, something that was acceptable last year is now not acceptable. You know, they're always moving the goalposts and these people are very open about how this world is going to just crush humanity. You know, but they're, but they say, you know, someone like Mark Andreessen would say it's a techno. You read his techno Optimist manifesto. It's like the opposite of the Unabomber's manifesto. Oh, you know, it's a very joyous outlook, which is like, look, I'm very against the violence with the Unabomber, but that manifesto says a lot of things that are really interesting in terms of, like, universities and politics. Like, he saw a lot of problems back then, wasn't he?
- [46:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
MK Ultra? They say he was in Harvard, a Harvard study, right?
- [46:04]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. That's crazy, right?
- [46:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Find out. Google that.
- [46:07]
Shane Cashman
I think it was when he was a kid or something.
- [46:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Type in Ted Kaczynski, Harvard experiments.
- [46:12]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, it's wild.
- [46:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. What was I gonna say to you?
- [46:18]
Shane Cashman
But I was saying techno optimist, like, manifesto and. Yeah, just like the way like they're. They're billing this world where we're gonna have machines and it's going to be really, really great with no problems.
- [46:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, right, right, right. I was gonna say Elon is, is the thing. The thing about Elon is like, you know how. You know his famous story about how in 2000, and I think it was maybe 2000 is when I think it was maybe December of 2000 or 2008. Maybe it was 2008. December of 2008, he told this story about how, like, he needed to make payroll or whatever. And like the. His accountants came to him and said, you got to bankrupt either Tesla or SpaceX. We're not gonna be able to. We're gonna lose. We're gonna lose both.
- [47:03]
Shane Cashman
Right?
- [47:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And he's like, he was like, I'd rather die than lose one of those companies. He's like, we'll make it happen.
- [47:09]
Shane Cashman
I mean, he got a lot of.
- [47:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Money from the military and then he ended up. And then there's this story that this guy, John Karaki, this CIA agent, tells how in like, like two months later, he was at this big dinner and Elon was there at this, like, government dinner with a bunch of CIA and NSA people.
- [47:29]
Shane Cashman
Makes sense.
- [47:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So. Well, if you're. It just. It doesn't seem. It doesn't feel like. Doesn't seem right, Right. If you're going through that, trying to make your company survive, your billion dollar company survive, what are you doing at some Washington dinner with a bunch of CIA and NSA people?
- [47:47]
Shane Cashman
Making bank.
- [47:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right?
- [47:48]
Shane Cashman
You're making bank. He is helping sustain the surveillance state right now with Starlink, you know. Yeah, they've got all these contracts with. Using Starlink satellites to, you know, put up all the. The Lockheed Martin type satellites. Maybe his own. Who knows? There's other things he just can't talk about. Yeah, because he probably signed a ton of NDAs, you know, that's why I always find it weird when he talks about aliens. It always seems so forced. And the moon. And the moon. Yeah, we definitely went to the moon. Yeah. Okay, dude, look, something's up there. It might be like something that looks like the moon, but I don't know if what we've been told it is, but like everything that these people him teal, like the whole PayPal, like mafia type crowd is very strange to me. And now they're completely infiltrated the government. Like, they've probably. They've been a part of all the administrations to some degree, but now it's like really like it's Trump. And now they're like, outwardly like we're, we're building this dystopia. I mean, they think it's a utopia, right? But like, you know, so they, they're creating this false God. They're creating like an omniscience, an omniscient presence with the, with the spy satellites, with the surveillance state. So, like, those are the things that really worry me because, like, moving forward, you know, it's going to be. It's going to be super dark. Like the thing I was telling you about Facebook and what they can do just to like young girls on, on Facebook, they're going to now start applying that into like, you know, like predictive policing, your programmatic policing, you know, which just yesterday I saw, I think it was in the uk. They just opened up a whole new department for, for just that. So they're doing it over there.
- [49:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [49:15]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. I forget what it's called. It's a good name too. Scary name, like the Minority Report. That's exactly, that's exactly, exactly what it is.
- [49:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
The Unabomber participated in a series of psychological experiments at Harvard from 59 to 62. Oh, perfect.
- [49:27]
Shane Cashman
Good time.
- [49:28]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That was. That was Jolly West's peak. These experiments, led by Henry A. Murray, were designed to measure how individuals react under extreme stress and involved mock interrogations that were described as vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive. Yeah, yeah, that was part of MK Ultra for sure.
- [49:46]
Shane Cashman
Dude. Dude. They probably created a lot of the tragedies that we live through in society, in history. You know, like, it's, it's, it's insane. I can't take it. But like, you know, what these people are doing now with the social media, it's just the evolution of this.
- [50:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So, yeah, I don't know what's going on right now, but I feel like, I feel like, like everything that's happening right now with, like, the combination of, like, the news cycle and, like, various debates that you see happen on podcasts and, like, these people emerging. These, like, these people, like this, this martyr maid guy.
- [50:28]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah.
- [50:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Emerging and all the controversy around him.
- [50:30]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I haven't followed that much. I saw part of his interview with Rogan.
- [50:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. It. It feels like it is a bunch of small pieces of this larger plan or larger scheme to, like, decay or erode the meaning of truth.
- [50:53]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah.
- [50:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And like, to, To. To make it to where we can't tell what is up or down anymore. Yeah. And I think that started with the pandemic and which divided us. Right. And we. Everybody had their own facts that they truly believed and we would die over.
- [51:08]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah, it's crazy. I, I, Yeah, it definitely started. I'm. I think it started since day one with humanity, but. Yeah, but Covid accelerated it to an insane degree.
- [51:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah.
- [51:18]
Shane Cashman
You know, I started calling it post reality because the Internet will allow you to. You know, what we're saying earlier with the confirmation bias stuff. You can do that with anything. With the Internet, if you want to really believe something, whatever it is, you go find that website. It'll tell you you're right, you know, and you. And then that will, you know, bolster you to really believe that. But with COVID you know, that became life or death for some people. You know, we were dealing with riots and all that stuff. So, you know, and that on top, on top of that, the censorship that was happening, you were only allowed to say certain things, which is why I'm so skeptical now of trying to embrace these tech people, because, like, just a few years ago, they said we were like bad people, we should be censored, you know, not allowed online. They even got rid of the president on Twitter. And now all of a sudden, just because they're waving an American flag and they share memes, we're cool. Like, I don't buy it at all. So I think, I think the post reality thing is really, really dangerous because, you know, I was really seeing it starting to go down a lot with the beginning of the Israel, Gaza stuff, because there's people sharing. Like, you remember that someone I forget was Israel probably nuked or sent a missile to some hospital in Gaza or maybe the other way around. But that story was completely fake, Right? Or, like, the ghost of Kiev, that was a fake story. But people really buy into these things, right? And so now you're seeing people totally buy into this narrative and now they've just splintered into a completely different reality. And if they don't fact check it or ever, you know, you fact check. I hate that phrase too.
- [52:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But like it's almost impossible to even do that.
- [52:43]
Shane Cashman
It's going to be worse now, especially with what they're building with the AI stuff now with deep fakes with, you know, you can make anything happen. You can, you can have a designer reality. So like with the post reality stuff during COVID during the wars, you know, you're falling down different avenues and just, you know, consuming the things that make you feel good about the way you see the world. But now we're going to start seeing people just straight up make up realities altogether, you know, so all like the weird mental issues in, in society now you can just go in the metaverse and do all that stuff and never leave your house, you know, and that, that to me feels like where it's going. Like, I don't think the dystopia is going to look like, you know, the Matrix so much. I don't think it's going to be super dystopian. Like you walk outside like, wow, we're here in dystopia. I think it's already here, you know, I think like it's an inward thing and we're like, it's inside of us this dystopia that you can, you know, unshackle yourself from. But the thing that scares me the most now with it, with the way it's going with the technology and with, you know, Elon or Teal, Andreessen, Altman, all these people is like this idea of the technocracy, right? And that is super alarming to me because that's kind of what they're doing now.
- [53:54]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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- [55:30]
Shane Cashman
This episode where, you know, the technocracy being this idea that emerged in, like, the 1920s, 30s, kind of like in response to the depression, you know, it kind of emerged out of a crisis. How do we fix society? And it's like, well, the government's all wrong, so we're gonna install experts to run everything. Experts and engineers to run our society. But, you know, having lived through Covid, who. Who's an expert? How do you define expert? How do you define any of this stuff? Because Fauci was, like, basically a leader of a technocracy during COVID They just outsourced everything to him, and now he's basically making everyone shut down.
- [56:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Down.
- [56:11]
Shane Cashman
So, like, that was a thing in Canada, you know, I thought this was funny thing with, you know, Elon's grandfather being.
- [56:19]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah.
- [56:20]
Shane Cashman
What was Josh Joshua Haldeman. So in. In Canada, he. He's. He was part of the Technocracy, Inc. And they were, like, really looking to install this government. They banned it in Canada for some time, I think, like, maybe five years or so. But, like, you couldn't do Technocracy, Inc. Which I think is ridiculous. Like, you should just be able to do whatever you want, you know? Like, I don't agree with communists, but you should if you want to do it. I want to hear the bad ideas, and we can talk about it. I don't want to, like, censor that.
- [56:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [56:46]
Shane Cashman
So he was. Haldeman was into technocracy. He was a chiropractor he was a very well known chiropractor.
- [56:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And this is his granddad.
- [56:53]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah. His grandfather, well known chiropractor. I believe his Elon's great grandma was as well. So like a big chiropractor. Interesting. Yeah. I think, I don't know if where I saw this, but there's like an obituary in a big chiropractor magazine about. But you know, he was obsessed with this idea of installing engineers and experts, whatever that is, to run the government. And then I. That idea kind of you've got like a soft version of the technocracy with FDR's New Deal because it was like widespread micromanagement of experts to try to fix society. So we saw all these organizations, you know, spread out of the ground for. To help fix the Depression. So, you know, some people might say it was like a technocracy, like light. You know, it wasn't really technocracy, but because it was in the, in the framework of a democracy, allegedly. He did. He maintained power for quite some time. And then, you know, as. As it goes with American history, the, the economy didn't really boom again until World War II because people make lots of money on war like these people we're talking about now. So like his grandfather had the technocracy thing. I always thought this was interesting that, you know, depending on where you look and who you read, he either was. Was kicked out of Canada or he ran from Canada for, for the technocracy stuff. You know, he was a failed politician. He was trying to do a lot of things in politics in Canada.
- [58:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [58:13]
Shane Cashman
And then set up base in, in Africa and he became obsessed with looking for the lost city of Kalahari. You know about that? No, there's like this, this story of the lost city of Kalahari in the South African desert and supposedly had some kind of treasures below it, you know, as lost cities do. There's like an old story from. So I think it was from New York. I forget this guy's name, but he came up with a story in the first place and you know, a few people heard about it. And then Haldeman became like a, a pilot, like a successful pilot and decided to take the whole family to, to South Africa. So that's where like May Musk was. I don't think she. I don't know if she was born in Africa or not, like Elon's mom. And they would just tour a lot within the plane. You know, May Musk is a twin. Twin, which I always think is also. I don't know why it's odd to me. I think the phrase telegenic actually came from the twins because. Yeah, because they were on some TV show at some point on this. Like as they're touring around their plane and they're on TV and someone said, you're telegenic. You're like, you know, it's like photogenic for television. I believe that's connected to Mamos. You'll have to fact check that later. It might be my reality buffet. But yeah, so he went and looked for this lost city. So I just think that's so interesting because like, I love the idea of risk and adventure and innovation. It's amazing, you know. And you know, I don't agree with everything his grandfather was up to, but like, it's fascinating to me that he. I think he died in his plan. I think he died. I don't know if he died searching for Kalahari or if he died for some other reason. The story is he actually like was the first person to go from Africa to Australia in a plane. His little plane. Like he built the plane. You know, it's really a crazy interesting story, but like that's why Elon wound up in Africa. Because the leaving Canada for whatever reason, I think it's tied to technocracy thing. But there was other things that happened after that with him. He. He had some like, war, I believe, with like Coca Cola, Haldeman. He hated Coca Cola cuz it had cocaine in it. He was like, this is hurting people. I'm like, all right, that's fair, you know, but like he had some theories about Coca Cola maybe like hurting people and whatnot. Like it was like a, like a big, like a big pharma, but for Coca Cola. So I say all that to say it's just interesting to see. Now Elon, to me and his pals are, I think, working towards a technocracy and that Mars is Elon's lost city of Kalahari. It's like it doesn't, you know, and like, I get it, you know, I'm highly inspired by my grandfather. Yeah, I totally understand that. And like getting. You have that in your DNA. Yeah, it's in your family. Is that them?
- [60:38]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Is this them?
- [60:39]
Shane Cashman
I actually never looked up pictures of them.
- [60:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Elon Musk, fascinating history with Moose Jaw.
- [60:44]
Shane Cashman
I don't know what that is. That's a good name for a band.
- [60:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Moose Jaw. Yeah. Moose Jaw is a good name for a bear.
- [60:48]
Shane Cashman
Like a tobacco.
- [60:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Click the article, Steve.
- [60:50]
Shane Cashman
Let's see. Moose Jaw.
- [60:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Elon Musk's Grandmother is from Moose Jaw. You know how I know this? He said so himself on Twitter.
- [61:05]
Shane Cashman
But, like, that's. That's. That is the concern to me is. Is what they're building now.
- [61:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [61:10]
Shane Cashman
And, like, this whole idea of efficiency sounds great, but it has its dangers to humanity.
- [61:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [61:19]
Shane Cashman
You know, I think about, like. Is that his grandfather actually with the twins. So that's. That's the twins.
- [61:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. This is Alderman. Jump in on that, but punching on that a little bit more.
- [61:28]
Shane Cashman
Straight out of the Shining. Awesome. Oh, is Jolly west in the background?
- [61:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, my God, that's funny.
- [61:37]
Shane Cashman
Dude, that's crazy. Yeah.
- [61:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. I don't understand. Elon is a mystery man. How does he have time to do all this tweeting? That's the most obvious. That's the most obvious question.
- [61:45]
Shane Cashman
I think he's lying. Just like he's lying about being a gamer. I don't think that's. I don't think.
- [61:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, I heard that was a lie.
- [61:51]
Shane Cashman
I don't think it's real. I think he's a lot like a habitual liar. Like, I.
- [61:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So you think so, so what's he lying about? He's not the one doing the tweeting.
- [61:59]
Shane Cashman
I think every. Maybe his neuralink is doing this. I think he's got. But, I mean, look, he's a smart dude. I just don't think he's doing all these things. I think he's outsourced a lot of it to AI or, you know, I don't think he's tweeting all that much. That, to me, is insane. It doesn't make sense. You're. You're doing Doge. You're that much of a video gamer. You're doing your companies, the SpaceX Neuralink. You know, I just don't buy. I don't buy it.
- [62:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Artificially inseminating all these women.
- [62:25]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah. That's a whole other.
- [62:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I heard he's not half of them. I heard. I heard. Is that true?
- [62:30]
Shane Cashman
That's what I hear.
- [62:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [62:31]
Shane Cashman
Because he's a eugenicist.
- [62:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right?
- [62:33]
Shane Cashman
He's.
- [62:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I heard it was like. I heard somebody call him a rationalist, where it's like he. His idea is he wants to reproduce with, like, women who have higher cognitive abilities.
- [62:45]
Shane Cashman
Right.
- [62:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And he wants to. This was basically like eugenics.
- [62:47]
Shane Cashman
It's eugenics.
- [62:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [62:48]
Shane Cashman
Rationalist is just a nice way of saying eugenicis.
- [62:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And he, like, doesn't get past first base with half these women.
- [62:53]
Shane Cashman
I don't doubt it.
- [62:54]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And he's just artificially intimidating.
- [62:55]
Shane Cashman
I don't doubt it, dude. I so, like, it's weird because going back, I was thinking about Elon, you know, like, when did I start even thinking about this guy? I remember I was actually in Florida. I was walking our son in a stroller. So this must have been like seven years ago ago. And I was reading about Neuralink that brought me to like his Mars stuff. And I was like, I was thinking about what kind of fights am I gonna have in the future with my kids? Because it's gonna be different. Right. Like the fights I have, my parents.
- [63:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [63:18]
Shane Cashman
Like the music I listen to.
- [63:19]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [63:19]
Shane Cashman
You know, stuff like that. Or, you know, just not coming home. Like, what am I gonna fight about with my kid? I'm like, it's gonna be him wanting to be immortal through neural links, you know, because the transhumanist by then will. Will like Ray Kurzweil, just upload your consciousness, you know, like Timmy down the street is doing it or going to Mars, you know. And I was like, these are really interesting things. I like in the. I don't think it's going to be that far in the future where people are going to have some kind of designer immortality. I'm putting in quotes.
- [63:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [63:46]
Shane Cashman
Where you can have like your digital avatar and people will consider it as much as a real you as, you know, as you hear, you and me. So I was like, really not into that. And like, I think it was probably 2020. I wrote my first thing about his. His knurling trial where he's talking about like the pigs. And, you know, he's lost a lot of pigs. He's got the, the. I think he calls it Monkey Disneyland. Have you looked about that? I think he calls it that. It's either he calls it that or like Neuralink calls it that. But that's where some of their, like, you know, their brains explode. It's wild stuff. So like that kind of started me thinking about how I. Oh yeah. I do not trust what this guy's doing. Doing. Because it's. It's tough because I. I can understand the positives, the short term positives. It's beautiful that you want to fix someone who's paraplegic. Right. If they want to walk again, like, that's amazing.
- [64:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [64:35]
Shane Cashman
You want to give someone sight again who's. Who's blind. If you want to give someone hearing again who's deaf, how do you argue against that? It's like, that's amazing. But at a certain point, I think it's going to be like, you're kind of left out of society. If you don't have those just like these smartphones today.
- [64:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [64:48]
Shane Cashman
Like, if you don't have. You're not participating in the modern world. You're not having a phone like this. Right.
- [64:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What about like. Yeah, imagine being the only one who can't telepathically communicate.
- [64:57]
Shane Cashman
Right. Right. That's. Go.
- [64:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I. I like being the only one without a smartphone.
- [65:00]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, sounds great.
- [65:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [65:02]
Shane Cashman
But. But that's the, that's the. The network they're building. So.
- [65:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What?
- [65:06]
Shane Cashman
Did you say something? Me?
- [65:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I thought you said something.
- [65:09]
Shane Cashman
I mean, hear. I'm hearing it was his neural link. Yeah. But like, so, like, I was thinking about that stuff, and then I just started watching him closely because it was hard. Like, I, I enjoyed him buying Twitter, you know.
- [65:19]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [65:19]
Shane Cashman
Years ago, I was like, right.
- [65:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It was optimistic.
- [65:21]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, that's great. Twitter was horrible. Had a lot of issues. I appreciated his innovation. I was, I was fascinated by a lot of it. And then when I started really thinking he was a liar was when I realized that it sounds like he lied about his firstborn child dying in his arms. You know, and his wife at the time, she said that that's not true. And he only said that unless he said it somewhere else. First time I saw him say it was when I didn't even know about this. He said it when he was trying to convince people why he didn't want Alex Jones back on Twitter. Better because he at the time believed that Alex Jones hurt kids. Not really like him hurting kids, but, like, what he had done, what he had said was like, you know, rejection of the reality of, you know, of the Sandy Hook that Elon believed in. Right. He believed that, like, these kids were hurt. And now Alex didn't believe it. So he said he, you know, he thinks that way because his child died in his arms. But his wife said at the time, I think that's. His first wife said that didn't happen at all. So, you know, I'm like, if you're willing to lie about that. Look, I don't know. I'm just saying that this changed my perspective on listening to anything he says. And like, if you don't, if you're willing to, if this is true, if you're willing to lie about your child dying in your arms, then I, I will be skeptical of everything you say. Sure. Just like how I'm skeptical of Zuckerberg and all these other people who are clearly lying as well. So, like, I think this whole rebrand into being like, maga and dark Maga it's just, it's so stupid. But like, it's, it's, it's them getting closer to the power that allows them to create the technocracy that I think they want, you know, and it's, it's not, I don't think it's too conspiratorial to think that that's what they want because they see themselves as like gods. They see themselves as. They're better than everyone. They. Zuckerberg was happy to censor all of us during Company. Yeah, Elon has had a lot of changes of heart and that's. But that's a. Not that that's possible. You can have a change of heart. You know, I just don't buy it with these people. You know, I think this idea of efficiency is great. You know, Doge I think is great. I, I love the idea of making the government much smaller because it's a huge problem. But what they're going to install after that is probably going to be AI because the future technocracy is probably not going to be quote, unquote, experts. Like, it probably won't be Elon and them will be like pulling the levers, but they're probably going to install their AI because that will be their opinion of a. An objective expert. Right. Although it's not objective.
- [67:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [67:43]
Shane Cashman
Because it's made by subjective people. So that's the thing I'm worried about. And with Elon buying Twitter, although I thought it was great, it's clear to me that he's monopolized the collective consciousness. And so he's taking everything off Twitter to feed into his. Into Grok, to feed into Optimus to make his spaceship ship, you know, that she says is going to fly to Mars using AI. So I think, I think that's what a lot of these people are doing. Like they're data harvesting our thoughts, they're monopolizing our brains. That's like one of the, that is the new war. It's on like our privacy and our thoughts. And like Meta has been working on things that can actually read your brain, like and translate your, your brain wavelengths into images and words. So like this is, that's the future is them. You is like, it's inescapable. They're going to want inside of your brain. So they know a bunch of things how to sell you to advertisers, how to make money, you know, on you, like that. But also how to prevent crime because they're going to be like, well, this person's having bad thoughts. So we need to watch them more closely, like, what they're doing in the uk. Just yesterday, I saw the article, like, they're doing allegedly with the IDF right now using lavender, that AI model, which is like, the AI is basically allowed to. To decide who may or may not be a terrorist. And allegedly, like, there's articles about it. So, like, the IDF has said it doesn't do this, so take it with a grain of salt. I have a feeling it's probably happening because it sounds like a lot of the stuff that Clearview AI would do or. Or Palantir, where it's harvesting a lot of data. Is this lavender? Dude, this is terrifying because it has a huge error rate. Allegedly AI.
- [69:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Lavender. AI programmer used by. Allegedly used by the Israeli military to identify potential Hamas militants in Gaza. Wow.
- [69:26]
Shane Cashman
This can't be good.
- [69:28]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Identified over 37,000 people in Gaza as potential targets for military strikes program. Allegedly used military use m machine learning to assist scores to individuals based on factors such as association with suspected militants and frequent changes in phone numbers. Wow, dude, that's crazy.
- [69:48]
Shane Cashman
This is not good. Like, so, you know, know it doesn't matter how you feel about that war. Like, no one should have this ability.
- [69:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Dude, did you. I just had my buddy, Eric Zulager on here the other day. He was explaining to me how in the Russia, Ukraine war, I think it was, Russia was using an AI to, like, convince Ukrainian soldier. Like, it was an. Some sort of an LLM. Was, like, able to analyze some of the Ukrainian soldiers, like, by like, analyzing their text messages and their phone calls with their loved ones. And, like. And, like, you, like, the LLM was mimicking their family members, trying to convince them to basically, like, lay down their weapons and surrender.
- [70:34]
Shane Cashman
That is next level. That's like. That's like the evolution of Waco, you know? Like, we're gonna pump the voice of God right into this building to scare these people.
- [70:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [70:41]
Shane Cashman
But now we can just pretend to be your loved ones. And. Yeah, I was also listening. I think it was Eric Prince, the. I think he's the CEO of Blackwater.
- [70:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, yeah.
- [70:49]
Shane Cashman
Talking about, like, facial recognition drones that they're doing in Gaza or not in Gaza. In Ukraine.
- [70:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
In Ukraine. Yeah.
- [70:53]
Shane Cashman
And, like, they're taking old drones, but fitting them with, like, AI technology to find your face, you know, it's like, that's insane. Insane to me. Insane. I think he said that at a speech recently.
- [71:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like, Palantir commercial.
- [71:05]
Shane Cashman
No.
- [71:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How they're using these swarm drones.
- [71:07]
Shane Cashman
Oh, geez.
- [71:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So their new thing is, like, so palantir which. This doesn't seem like it fits up Palantir's sort of like niche of what they do, but they apparently have this new swarm pull to the commercial. The. This new swarm technology where they have like thousands of these little DJI Mavic drones and they're using them to like swarm battleships and basically take out battleships. Give us some. Some audio.
- [71:34]
Shane Cashman
Oh, is this what played during the game, the Army Navy game?
- [71:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I don't know. I didn't watch that. Looks like a Transformers movie.
- [71:42]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Is this a Crenshaw commercial? Dude.
- [71:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So it's like this, It's. Eric called it spreadsheet warfare.
- [72:00]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [72:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Where basically I love how it pulled up a ancient Marilyn Manson interview.
- [72:06]
Shane Cashman
Good algorithm.
- [72:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, exactly. Where it's like you. You use super cost effective ways, like, like really unbalanced ways to like take out other militaries. Like where you have this billion dollar warship or like Battleship and you're using maybe like $100,000 in drones to swarm.
- [72:25]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. I think Palantir probably came. I forget who came with the phrase, but it was I think from PAL. From their world. The Total Information Awareness.
- [72:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No, that was way before Palantir.
- [72:36]
Shane Cashman
That. Dude, that is insane stuff. Yeah. Because that is like we just want to know everything at all times. And I think they do already, right?
- [72:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [72:42]
Shane Cashman
I guess Palantir probably just uses that.
- [72:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [72:44]
Shane Cashman
You know, because it's like data is gold. Right? Like that's. We're gonna take everything from everyone and put it into a database. But it's safe, it's fine. We're not gonna use it for anything bad. The government has it though. But they have your best. You know, they really care about you. They want the best for you. Like, okay, cool.
- [73:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, the total. Amy Jacobson wrote about that total Information awareness stuff in her DARPA book, the Pentagon's Brain.
- [73:05]
Shane Cashman
I gotta read that.
- [73:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh my God, it's so good. It's like the full history of DARPA and like Jason scientists and the Rand Corporation and how it all evolved and like Total Information Awareness was proposed, I think before 9 11.
- [73:21]
Shane Cashman
Oh wow.
- [73:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Some of those DARPA guys, they wanted to implement this way before 9 11. Like, yeah, like, like in the early 90s, I think it was.
- [73:28]
Shane Cashman
So they must love this world now. Oh, we're living in that. Their wet dream, right? This is what they wanted. They wanted access to every part of your life.
- [73:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And she even writes in that book that they. DARPA was working on neuralink for soldiers to create brain chips for soldiers to create super soldiers in like the very early 90s.
- [73:44]
Shane Cashman
Great. Yeah. And now.
- [73:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Now, look. I mean, we only learned about knurling how many years ago?
- [73:49]
Shane Cashman
Dude, that is going to be an interesting future. Like, I tried. I tried interviewing the guy with Neuralink, but I think Elon got a hold of it. Like, I. I. Elon and I have talked through people. Like, back when I was trying to. We had middle. I. A middleman trying to get me to interview him. Mutual friends.
- [74:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [74:06]
Shane Cashman
And he definitely has, I think, seen things that I've said. So it's definitely not going to happen. Hypercritical. And then to bring back to Kanye real quick.
- [74:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, yeah.
- [74:13]
Shane Cashman
With. With. When I was with Kanye that second day, he was so pissed at Elon that me and him wrote this thing about Elon being a clone and posted it to.
- [74:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Kanye was pissed at Elon because he.
- [74:23]
Shane Cashman
Got banned from Twitter. So he went on Instagram and he was like. We wrote this whole thing about how Elon's a clone. I forget there was articles written about. It was ridiculous. So, like, that. That was OG Elon beef. And then. And then, you know, I've been very critical on lots of other shows about him, so. And I know I've tried to do an interview with him through mutual friends, and, like, it's just. There's nothing happening there. But I was really stoked to do this interview with the neural link guy. I had no proof what happened, but I got ghosted right before I was supposed to go to Arizona to interview this guy while he was doing a lot of other interviews, like, a ton. I was about to drive out, fly out to where he's at.
- [75:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
- [75:02]
Shane Cashman
So, look, I don't know. Maybe I'm just a jaded person, but, like, I've. I've had issues publicly with Elon for a while, and I just. I just really. There's a lot of questions when it comes to Neuralink and what that means for the future of humanity is like, he used to go around saying, you know, like I said earlier, we're summoning the demon with AI and he would. He would go to the Congress and be like, maybe we should have regulation. And I'm not really a regulation person, because I don't think that's going to fix anything. Right. Like, the war on drugs didn't fix anything. Right. But the conversation's important. Right. And the people, you know, are incompetent leaders in D.C. should at least be talking about and amplifying that message so that everyone can start talking about it more. But it seems like he abandoned that idea. Right? And he doesn't really go around saying. Well, he go. He does go around saying. Like, on Rogan recently, he was like, well, your people will be out of jobs and will probably in 20 years be outnumbered by cyborgs. But now it's more of, like, an optimistic spin on it. I don't see it.
- [75:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Did you see that China was hiring these people, these federal workers that were getting laid off by Doge.
- [76:03]
Shane Cashman
Oh, are they going like.
- [76:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So, you know, I guess the idea is that some of them will have a bad taste in their mouth after they get fired.
- [76:11]
Shane Cashman
Right.
- [76:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And. And China is trying to, like, recruit them and give it, like, putting them on payroll and all this stuff. But I guess it got outed, and I guess it was. It made a headline, so I guess it must have been a failed operation.
- [76:20]
Shane Cashman
I mean, they've got a lot of people working here right now, secret police stations.
- [76:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So I heard about that just the other day.
- [76:26]
Shane Cashman
Is that crazy in New York and in. Was it San Francisco crazy to, like.
- [76:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And it was to, like, combat dissidents? Chinese dissidents?
- [76:33]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. It's amazing. Amazing. It's amazing. Dude, we're overrun. Like, that's. That's my problem. Everyone's got, like, a one boogeyman in their head these days, and, like, you name it, who's. Who's controlling the world and stuff. It's so much more sinister and bigger than that, I think it's a network of a bunch of evil people and, like, with ancient money and new money controlling the narrative.
- [76:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [76:53]
Shane Cashman
It's like, you know, when I talk about post reality, I talk about, like, these people are engineering the narrative for you to believe in this or that. Right?
- [76:59]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [76:59]
Shane Cashman
So when I hear, you know, this Facebook whistleblower talking about the chief editor. Oh, well, that's what you call your narrative engineer. You are literally doing it. You are literally creating reality and suppressing reality. So, you know, this stuff, it's just gonna get crazy. Like that. That Palantir commercial is terrifying. Yeah. Because you saw Trump in office first time, then you saw Biden in office post January 6th, and now half the country is an enemy to Biden. Right. So whoever is in charge, they could turn that kind of stuff against our own citizens. And that's horrifying. Right? So it's like, you might like, Trump and his friends right now, and they're going to put this thing in place, whether it's a technocracy or who knows what with this. This techno, like, dystopia, but then the next person's in charge and they're going to use it against, you know, I don't, I don't want that used, even against people I don't like.
- [77:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [77:48]
Shane Cashman
In this country. Right, right. I really disagree with that world. And then someone like Larry Ellison, who's I guess the CTO of Oracle. You've seen this guy talk. Yeah, he's strange dude, and he's talk. You know, he does like the police cameras, body cams, which I think is okay because I want accountability. But it's also. Now you're turning people into the surveillance state. And now everyone is being picked up by the cameras that will be fed into the Clearview AI and to Palantir, it's just this evil spiderweb of information sucking. But he was like, you know, talking about police officers wearing the cameras and how when they want to take a bathroom break, you know, we will not watch, but it will be stored away. No, we said, yeah, yeah. And we will only release it under court order. They will be on their best behavior. And then right from that, he transitions into citizens. They will also be on their best behavior. It's like these people see us as like, just cogs in this machine that they are building around us. So, like the whole, the whole technocracy thing, you know, I see them infiltrating the White House, but I also see all these guys are building their own little technocracies right now. Now. And like, they're all in private cities. Have you heard of Forever California? No.
- [79:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Forever California.
- [79:03]
Shane Cashman
I think it's either Forever California or California Forever. But that's like, last I checked. Reed Hoffman from LinkedIn, Mark Andreessen, Substack, you know, smart guys. But they're building this thing, which is their private city in really California.
- [79:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Have you heard of Slow Jamistan?
- [79:21]
Shane Cashman
No.
- [79:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's a country in California.
- [79:23]
Shane Cashman
No, Slow.
- [79:26]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And they classify their, Their, Their. Their taxes that they have to pay as. What did he say? They classify it as basically like national. What do they call it? Where they're like, paying another country?
- [79:43]
Shane Cashman
They, they, they like tariffs.
- [79:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No, they. They consider their, their taxes to be like, donations to the US.
- [79:52]
Shane Cashman
So that's hilarious. I have not heard of these people. But Forever California thing is a weird one, because they're trying to buy all this farmland to create their little private city. And a lot of farmers have refused to sell. Last I checked, this was fairly recently. And so now they're suing those farmers for refusing to sell. That's insane to me. Right? Like, and so what's. That's. That would be one of the questions I would bring up if I were allowed around these people.
- [80:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [80:21]
Shane Cashman
You know, Mark Andreessen's part of Doge, allegedly. Elon and Reid Hoffman don't get along, but Andreessen and Elon do. And now Andreessen and Hoffman, all these other people are trying to build this weird private city with their own little rules. And it's gonna be like. Like a biohacker type of, you know, universe. You know, you look at one of these private cities, I forget which one it is, but they're, like, installing Tesla keys in their hands. It's, like, legit transhumanist stuff. So I really. I'd be like, what are you doing to help the farmers who refuse to sell the farmland to these insane people who want to build a private city, which is a small version of their technocracy? You know, they probably would call it a utopia, but one person's utopia is another person's dystopia. But, like, Teal's doing that. He's got the seafaring ones where it's. The floating cities.
- [81:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [81:10]
Shane Cashman
All these guys are trying to build. I think Milton Friedman's, like, grandson is a part of that one, too. The. The. So it's like, I. I really. The future, that looks like the future to me. Like, that's what's going to take over that kind of thing, and you're either going to be a part of it or not. And, like, I don't know, is it going to be, like, the Amish, you know, like the anti Amish, where, like, you just. Oh, yeah, those people are crazy. And they live in their little private city or just keep expanding. Because if you see them at the top in the White House right now, and that just keeps trickling down, and you see them trying to do private cities across the country, Neck is going up, up. Where. Where does that leave, like, normal people who don't want to be in this? Like, some of these people, I was. I forget which city, which private city they were in, but they're, like, removing all the bacteria from their mouth. They're installing, like, weird devices in their body. Yeah. It's a big deal. Like, they're. They're. It's. You know, this is like the. The Burning Man 2.0, but forever.
- [82:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That's crazy, dude.
- [82:06]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, so I'm against that.
- [82:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I got a piss so bad I can taste it.
- [82:09]
Shane Cashman
Quick break.
- [82:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Are you on every podcast that you do with Tim or, like, how does that schedule work?
- [82:16]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I do. I do. I typically do his. His night show.
- [82:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
By the way, we're back from our PP break.
- [82:21]
Shane Cashman
Sweet. Yeah. Oh, and it was also a homicide prediction project. I think is the name of that crazy thing in the uk so like trying to predict it.
- [82:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I think you were mentioning earlier.
- [82:31]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Is that gonna become a murderer? We should, you know, harvest all his data. Homicide, like what if you're a true crime writer? I guess the AI would be like, well, he's just writing about it. That'd be a good cover.
- [82:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I think about that all the time because we, we Google some of the most up for the show. I hope the FBI is not watching.
- [82:47]
Shane Cashman
Oh, they definitely are. They have to be watching us. They definitely are. But yeah, I do, I do, I do. Usually Monday nights I do IRL with him and then Inverted World is through him. So my studio is like right next to his studio in West Virginia.
- [82:59]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's crazy because like one big building.
- [83:02]
Shane Cashman
He's got one big building like his skating and stuff. But my, my like coffin size studio is inside of like a haunted house. I mean like a really old crazy looking house from like really 1800s.
- [83:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Dude. The first time I saw him skateboarding, I thought it was fake because I've never, I've never seen him like I had never seen him outside of like, you know, this.
- [83:23]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, well, Tim doesn't have legs. Those are bionic legs.
- [83:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right. That's what I thought.
- [83:26]
Shane Cashman
Of course.
- [83:26]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Why would I. Why would he have legs? And then when I saw him absolutely ripping on a skateboard, I'm like, this is, there's no way this is real.
- [83:33]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy seat in real life life, you know, Cuz like he's, he's down there skating before IRL and he's got the giant skate park now in that warehouse. And so him and his, his skating, skater friends are just hitting those things. He's got this one ridiculous, like vertical.
- [83:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [83:47]
Shane Cashman
I don't know what you call it. Like, I don't know much about skating, but it's insane. It's like a death trap. Like I, I don't know why he even did that. It's ridiculous. But people try to hit it because you go to the top. Yeah, I think, I think someone like really hurt themselves. They're fine now really, but it's insane. But yeah, they're, they're down there like all the time. He's got a half pipe outside.
- [84:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [84:04]
Shane Cashman
And I can just look out my window in my haunted house.
- [84:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That Russian money really hit.
- [84:07]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, it was great. Yeah. Dude, that story's Crazy. That story's crazy. That was for the culture war show. Right. And that's. So that was Tim's, I guess I was on his. He's got so many channels, I can't keep up. But like, one of his channels on YouTube, we had the culture war. So that was like pre Tenet before they came in. And. Yeah.
- [84:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What was the story with.
- [84:26]
Shane Cashman
What was the whole story?
- [84:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How did this all start?
- [84:28]
Shane Cashman
Depends. You ask, you know, the culture war started, I don't know, two or three years ago. And like, I don't even know if these episodes are still on anymore. But the first one I did was probably episode like 4, and it was me, Luke Rowski, Tim and Alex Jones. I think we were in Austin or something. It was a blast. It was more like casual than IRL's. Like, you know, you're in a. You're sitting around a table and we're just like the news.
- [84:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, Right.
- [84:48]
Shane Cashman
Culture war. We just sit around and talk, you know, about certain themes or whatever. At a certain point, he licensed culture war to Tenant. Right. And that was like Lauren Chen and them. You know, I don't know. These people like that licensed it to Tenant. So, like, it was still through his channel. I think, like, he's. He'd be better talking about this.
- [85:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But, like, where did Tenet come from?
- [85:08]
Shane Cashman
I don't know. I don't know. But all of a sudden they came.
- [85:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
In like, yo, we want to license your for a million dollars.
- [85:13]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I. I. So, like, they say it was Russians.
- [85:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [85:16]
Shane Cashman
Giving money to like, Lauren and them, I guess. Right. I personally think it was the CIA. I really legit. If you, like, look back at all the things the CIA has hijacked over the years to discredit. Right. Because a lot of these people were like, in my opinion, even though I'm not fans of them, like, not really a Dave Rubin listener, but like, a lot of these people, more dissident voices with larger platforms. I don't know. It was weird to me that they would be given this money to be like, it's a lot of money. And some of those shows weren't pulling.
- [85:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
In lots of views. The story was that, like, he had to create a new YouTube channel, and he was posting videos on this new channel, and they were getting like, you know, five to 8,000 views.
- [85:55]
Shane Cashman
It was the same channel.
- [85:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It was.
- [85:57]
Shane Cashman
I. I think they created a channel and maybe it's streamed to that, but it wasn't his. And the clips were. Remained on his original channel, I think. But like. Yeah, but like they were saying that we were told to say certain things. Like, no one ever told me what to say. And, like, help that show sometimes I'm not the booker, but I did help book that show. Like, I brought like, Mia came on that show. Show. Right. Like, it was just.
- [86:19]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [86:19]
Shane Cashman
A very organic thing. Like.
- [86:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [86:21]
Shane Cashman
So no one ever said anything about anyone saying, you know, this or that, you know, some things. But was the story.
- [86:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I think the story I read was that, like, he was getting paid, like 100 grand to do a video that was 8, 000 views.
- [86:33]
Shane Cashman
It's insane. I wish I was getting that. That'd be amazing. It was because those. That tenant channel was not getting crazy views. Right. I think he was getting the most of all of them.
- [86:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But, like, it seems ineffective if you're the Russians.
- [86:45]
Shane Cashman
Well, I think. I think it was literally just to get the headlines because all of a sudden now everyone who hates Tim and. Or Dave Rubin or whoever else is on that network, everyone says it's Russia. And all the comments always, it's Russia, Russia, Russia. And when I say hijack certain things, like, to me it reminded me of how like, rap was hijacked by the CIA, or like. Or like how the modern art movement was hijacked by the CIA, right. When they were trying to go against Russia during the Cold War. So they kept funding, like a lot of these, like Jackson Pollock, perhaps, or like Rothko, you know, and be like.
- [87:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I don't know about any of this.
- [87:14]
Shane Cashman
Like, allegedly the CIA was pumping money to fund these. I don't think the artists knew. I could be wrong. I don't think the artists knew that they were getting money from the CIA, but they, from what I've heard, were pumping money into it to make this seem like it was more important. Because in Russia you couldn't do. You couldn't express yourself like that, you know, or like, like I was saying earlier with the weird scenes from Laurel King Canyon.
- [87:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [87:35]
Shane Cashman
They hijacked the counterculture, you know, allegedly. You know, I think if Tom says this in chaos or if it's in weird scenes, but the anti war movement really started out as like, more like button up dudes with like short haircuts, you know, and then Laurel Canyon would. That argument with that book would be like, we put in crazy hippies on lsd.
- [87:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [87:52]
Shane Cashman
To discredit that movement. So when I saw the tenant thing happen, in my opinion, it's like, you got all the headlines.
- [87:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You wanted them. Did they fund anyone else besides Tim?
- [88:01]
Shane Cashman
Oh, there's a whole bunch of people. Tenant was like a. A network.
- [88:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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- [88:08]
Shane Cashman
When you visit the doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID and contact details. It's just one of the many places.
- [88:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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- [88:17]
Shane Cashman
It, you could be at risk for identity theft. LifeLock monitors millions of data points a second.
- [88:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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- [88:25]
Shane Cashman
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- [88:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, Dave Rubin was a part of it too. Yes, I remember that now.
- [88:38]
Shane Cashman
But like, I don't even know how long he was a part of it. But like, there was a. It was like five or six people who are part of, like, bigger names in like, the real, like, political, like, podcast world.
- [88:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that if, like, if these people are already like, having dissident voices in the US Why Russia would have the incentive to inject money into that? It doesn't seem like it. And it seems extremely, like, not cost effective.
- [89:02]
Shane Cashman
Anything is possible. Like, Russia has done weird things where they. Like, I think I even heard on one of your recent shows that story where Russia funded both sides of a protest, right? And like, so they, they got one side to be like, we're gonna go protest on this side of the street and another side. So, like, they, it wasn't inorganic at all, but Russia was behind. Behind the whole thing. So, like, they do do weird things and like, they do try to undermine our society, you know, Yuri Besmanov thing. Like, they do try to collapse society through like, the, the voices and the universities and stuff. So it's possible. I personally think it was CIA or our own government trying to do it. I don't know. But it was, it was very odd. It was very odd because all of a sudden my boss is in the news under, like, I don't know what, what, what that was. And now I'm, I'm, My mind is saying, well, if they're saying we're attached to Russia now, then that allows the government to open up FISA warrants on anyone in that circle.
- [89:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, really?
- [89:58]
Shane Cashman
Because, like, it wasn't the FISA warrants, where, like, it gives you the ability. Gives the government the ability to spy on people without a warrant, Especially if they're working with a foreign government.
- [90:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yes.
- [90:07]
Shane Cashman
So now it's like, literally that gives anyone in that orbit. Me. Anyone allow. Allows them to do that now. And I assume they were doing it beforehand. Honestly, if you know about like the Lockheed Martin satellites that are up there and heat mapping the globe in real time. But it definitely gives that incentive, that incentive to do that. But like nothing's happened. Like if it was, if there was something more pressing and they were actually Russian agents.
- [90:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [90:29]
Shane Cashman
Or, or being funneled Russian information, I would have figured there'd be more to come out. Like that's why the headlines to me were, were that was their goal was to discredit amongst the people, you know. But it was weird because it was a lot of money to these people and it came out of nowhere, you know. And I know like Tim and them, they're all like friends. They knew each other from way back, you know who, Tim and who, like Lauren and all them, like Ruben, like that, that's like a long, like those guys have known each other for a.
- [90:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Long story of Vice, didn't he?
- [90:56]
Shane Cashman
Way back in the day. Vice, Yeah. I forget the other place. I used to write for Vice as well, but he was like big time Vice. I don't think he started like the political part of Vice, but he was one of the first like people to really do like that on the ground reporting for Vice and stuff. But yeah, dude, I don't know. It was really bizarre. It was very bizarre, the whole thing. And I, I think it, I really do think that there's probably something we'll find out about it in terms of the government being behind it. Our government. I don't know. Could be wrong though.
- [91:26]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's so funny how online it's like everybody suspects everybody of being a Fed and working for the Feds, being funded by the Fed.
- [91:32]
Shane Cashman
I mean, it's like probably I see.
- [91:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How stupid it is just in the comments. People think that I'm a Fed.
- [91:36]
Shane Cashman
We're all Feds.
- [91:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. And then like I catch myself being.
- [91:39]
Shane Cashman
Like, that guy's got to be all the time, dude.
- [91:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He's got to be massage.
- [91:43]
Shane Cashman
But you have to kind of think like that. That's why I started calling.
- [91:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You gotta catch yourself.
- [91:47]
Shane Cashman
I know you gotta, you definitely gotta be skeptical of your skepticism. But like I started calling the Fed Fed Internet theory because like everyone on the Internet, there's dead Internet theory, then there's Fed in their theory where it's not all bots. A lot of them are Feds. You see a lot of these accounts pop up on Twitter.
- [92:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [92:01]
Shane Cashman
That person just. Just doesn't seem organic.
- [92:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh yeah. All the time. All the time.
- [92:05]
Shane Cashman
And I catch myself, I talk to some of these people, sometimes I meet them in real life. I'm like, you know, interesting, interesting. But I know people think about. About. About me as well. Like, I came out of nowhere, Right. I was on a farm in New York as a professor, and now I'm on, like, Tim's show. Right. And if you say something someone doesn't like, then they're immediately. They'll. They'll call you whatever. Massad. Russian.
- [92:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [92:25]
Shane Cashman
You know, it depends which side they're coming from. And for the people who didn't like Tim him, the Russian thing gave them way more ammunition to be like, well, he's full. He's been told what to say, you know.
- [92:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [92:35]
Shane Cashman
And that does have an effect on some people. Like, I think there are some people out there and be like, wow, really? They don't look into it too much, and they'll be like, wow, was he not believing anything? You know, and, you know, because I've seen that happen throughout. Like, I'm saying with the. With certain things about rapper Laurel Canyon, some of these things are just not organic.
- [92:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No.
- [92:52]
Shane Cashman
So they don't fit.
- [92:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
None of. A lot of the stuff right now doesn't feel organic.
- [92:55]
Shane Cashman
And right now it's really easy to do that because of. Of the AI stuff, you know, and how people are duped so easily, you know? Like, I. I think half of Biden's public appearances were probably deep fakes.
- [93:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really.
- [93:05]
Shane Cashman
Dude, he did. He was a corpse, first of all. Like, they reanimated a corpse to be president. And then some of those things just didn't feel right. Some of those videos of him are weird. They are weird. Why. Why was he getting vaccinated in a fake Oval Office? Right. What was that about? Like, his whole presidency just felt fake to me.
- [93:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [93:23]
Shane Cashman
I didn't get it at all all, but, like. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The whole thing was weird. It seems to have, like, just gone away. Like, I think from what I've heard, like, they're not even pursuing anything with the Tenant stuff. So really, I. I haven't heard anything yet. And everyone else is. Just seems to be fine.
- [93:38]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How long ago was that? Was that like a year ago now?
- [93:40]
Shane Cashman
Probably maybe a year or so ago. Some of those people have just disappeared, though. Like, I haven't seen much from them. Maybe they're doing work. Like the people who were hired to be part of Tenant, like the Talking Heads, if you will.
- [93:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [93:52]
Shane Cashman
But, like, it just. Culture war show went right back to Tim, and it's, I think, doing Just way better now really. It was on Tenant. Cuz no one, I don't know what it was like why Tenant wasn't blowing up. It had all these big names on it and it just wasn't, you know, I was like wow, we would have you know, big names on some shows and just it was like into obscurity.
- [94:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [94:11]
Shane Cashman
Like not doing as well as like performing like a, like IRL or something like that.
- [94:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So yeah, I've noticed these weird, these weird comments communities on like, on like x and on YouTube where like there's been this crazy thing where like everybody wants to blame Israel for everything and especially like the JFK stuff comes out and I haven't read all those new declassified 80,000 documents. I haven't read one of them. But it's funny like how, how now it's like the consensus of every comment section on every video is like if you're not blaming Israel for killing jfk, you're a. And you're a fed.
- [94:49]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, it's, it's annoying.
- [94:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [94:51]
Shane Cashman
It goes back to what I was saying about you having one boogeyman in your mind. Like Israel's not good. Right. Neither's our government.
- [94:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [94:57]
Shane Cashman
Neither is any government. Right. I just don't like any government. And Israel is really bad. I, I judge Israel based off how I judge lots of governments. How were they during COVID They were tyrannical. Yes. I don't like that. So I am very against that. But like you look up the lavender thing, I'm also way against that. And I do know that they're part of, they've been a part of all a lot of bad things.
- [95:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
A lot of bad things.
- [95:17]
Shane Cashman
We've been part of so many bad things. Right. So it's really hard to pick apart and just be like that's the boogeyman. It really oversimplifies the evil in the world, I think. But I'm also not downplaying because they're crazy people. Like the government's crazy thinking that you can use, if they are using lavender and they have that high of an error rate and you're killing people based on the predictive policing of AI. Like that is so crazy to me. But yeah, it's become easy for people to just write off everything, you know, and that is a problem because it's like it's going to stop people from having real conversations about real. Like we're not going to solve real problems and with evil in the world if we're just focusing on one thing. Cuz it's unfortunate. It's not just one thing. It's many things.
- [95:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [95:58]
Shane Cashman
So. Yeah. And so with the JFK files, it was funny seeing everyone being like, oh, it's going to be Israel. We know, we know.
- [96:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And like, I saw one comment that said, if, if, if I see one more person talk about JFK without mentioning Israel, they're like, I'm going to lose it.
- [96:13]
Shane Cashman
We' become a fetish for people. Like, it's like, it's like they want to be whipped by Israel, but you're unfortunately being whipped by everyone. With the thing with me and the JFK files I thought was interesting. I haven't read all of them, but I read a lot. Is like the, the new Operation Mongoose files that came out just like very nonchalant CIA memos about like, all right, you know, we think we should just use a bioweapon to destroy all the crops. You're like, okay, that sounds good. And that's what they were doing. They were just, just setting. I don't know what chemical it was, but they would be like, all right, we'll destroy it with a bioweapon, but it'll look natural and they'll think it was natural. I'm like, well, how long they've been doing that?
- [96:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Where was this?
- [96:50]
Shane Cashman
In Cuba. Cuba. Wow. Yeah. To Cuba. It's totally insane. So, like, but we knew about Mongoose. The, the files were to me, a joke because, like, we knew about most of that stuff. A lot of stuff. It's just you're getting like new angles on certain things that we already knew about.
- [97:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Mongoose was just like the sabotage stuff they were doing over there.
- [97:07]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, we'll just destroy the crops and all these things. You know, I think all that's super interesting to me, but like, I was looking for anything military, industrial, complex wise. It's like, that might be if I have a boogeyman.
- [97:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right?
- [97:21]
Shane Cashman
That's mine.
- [97:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, right. It's like, yeah, well, it's like, you know, who had the motive to kill jfk? Well, okay, let's just ignore the fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff absolutely wanted him gone on. Yeah, let's just ignore that and think Israel wanted nuclear material, so they must have done it.
- [97:38]
Shane Cashman
Right. I. I just think of Northwoods. Right?
- [97:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, right.
- [97:40]
Shane Cashman
The Joint Chiefs of Staff and like Lemn, sir. And yeah, that stuff is insane to me. Look, look, even RFK Jr says he doesn't believe that, but they get mad.
- [97:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
At him for saying he doesn't. Believe what he said.
- [97:50]
Shane Cashman
I think he told Tim this actually, when he was on Tim show. He doesn't believe Northwoods and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had anything to do with the assassination. Like, him, like Jeff turning down that. I was shocked. That was at the, like, I think that was a libertarian convention or whatever, but I was shocked. I'm like, really?
- [98:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
The fact that he wanted to pull everyone out of Vietnam and they wanted to ramp up Vietnam.
- [98:08]
Shane Cashman
You want to shatter this, you know, and scatter it into the wind.
- [98:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Exactly.
- [98:13]
Shane Cashman
So, like, you know, I, I look at the.
- [98:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Everybody has their own flavor of JFK, dude. The UFO people think it was UFOs.
- [98:19]
Shane Cashman
It's all of them. And it goes back to post reality. You go online, you'll find your answer. And maybe it's all of them together. The aliens were working in tandem with Lemnon and Fidel Castro and Israel. And maybe, you know, maybe that's more like the truth. But like, the military industrial complex stuff to me is like, we are now in the totally in the grips of that. I love listening to the Eisenhower speech, the last speech he gave before JFK came into office where he warns the American people about their military industrial complex. And like, the one thing that Biden ever said that I agreed with on his last day in office was warning the American people about the tech industrial complex. I was like, why is he doing that now? That was his last thing he said. And I'm like, he's probably just upset because now all these people have turned on him. You know, like, all these people that were in support of the. The Biden administration are now pro Trump and MAGA suddenly. But I think that is a true threat. Like with everything we were saying earlier, the tech industrial complex, but, like, now they're married. The. The military industrial complex is the tech industrial complex. Like, you look at Palantir as a clear example. Example of the marriage of these, like this unholy matrimony of these people.
- [99:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Well, it's interesting that, like, there was that story how, how Google was using like, surveillance satellites or something for. For war stuff similar to what Palantir is doing.
- [99:31]
Shane Cashman
I didn't see that.
- [99:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
This was a long time ago.
- [99:33]
Shane Cashman
Not surprised.
- [99:34]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And Google basically like, shut down that program, saying that we're not willing to work with, you know, the. The war hawks and the government to like, to. To overtake other countries. So. So then Palantir basically took the ball where they left off.
- [99:48]
Shane Cashman
Oh, funny.
- [99:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And Alex Karp thought, like, well, if I'm gonna benefit, you know, and make billions of dollars off of, you know, developing technology in this amazing country, the number one country on Earth. Why am I not gonna try to push forward our, you know, our military capabilities and, you know, establish our footprint in the rest of the world? He's like, I want to take full advantage of it.
- [100:10]
Shane Cashman
All those guys, guys, Teal especially, are very against competition here. Pro monopoly, that's what they say. Teal is pro monopoly. He'll buy up everything and make himself bigger. So that makes sense with what you just said. And like Altman, Sam Altman from OpenAI is very inspired by Teal and by, and by the quotes about being a monopoly. So like we are in like this new industrial revolution, you know, but it's going to be the AI stuff and it's going to be like the new machine age. And it's kind of reflective of the old industrial revolution. The second one really, like, you know, after the Luddites and then post Civil War. Post Civil War, it's like we get monopolies eventually, you know, and we see Rockefeller literally doing what Palantir is doing now, but organically, like data harvesting through all his competitors to know how to undercut their prices, you know, so that's just like an early version of, of what's going on and it's all tied. It's so funny to me because it's, it's so similar to how we are now because we also had a new form of journalism back then with like, what was her name? Ida Tarbell or something, but like the muckrakers. Right. And so now she's looking into these monopolies that, that would help inform Teddy Roosevelt on what he wanted to do with, to break up these monopolies, you know, And I don't know how much I agree with all that, like breaking things up because I don't really want the government to have any power over me. But you know, that's where we're there now. Yeah, we're there. Like this Facebook stuff I think is maybe it's not going to blow up because people don't seem to care. You know, they see a Tic Tac now UFO video and no one, no one cares. New York Times in like how many years ago wrote about, we have an off world vehicle not made of this earth in the spit in space. Like, oh yeah, no one cared. No, the Mexican court, the alien corpses that Mexico brought out were a joke. So.
- [101:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [101:53]
Shane Cashman
When I see, when I see Zuckerberg being basically proven to be a liar under oath, I'm like, Do people care tomorrow or are we just going to forget because we're, we're so complacent with everything as.
- [102:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's crazy how fast that story of the Trump assassination just, just disappeared and how, like, fast, like the, the narrative changed to like, we jumped to the Olympics thing the next day.
- [102:12]
Shane Cashman
The butler one. Yeah, that one. That one is insane.
- [102:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like, no one talks about it. No one in the media talks about it anymore.
- [102:18]
Shane Cashman
No, it's, there was all kinds of.
- [102:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Weird stuff with that guy.
- [102:21]
Shane Cashman
Right? Way weird stuff. Yeah. Like, and they burned his body before anyone got, they did, like, the, whoever handled him, they'll say they didn't, but there was a senator who went, I think it was a senator or congressman who went out and did his own investigation, wrote this really interesting report. Like, he even went and looked to see if there was anyone else on the water tower. Remember that theory?
- [102:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [102:35]
Shane Cashman
And he says before he was able to inspect the body, they cremated him.
- [102:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [102:41]
Shane Cashman
They. And the other people said that didn't happen. But, like, I, I don't know. I think the whole thing is super weird. There's that story of the guy showing up on the roof and taking pictures and like, everyone being like, he was like, text me all you.
- [102:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The photo of the guy. Yeah, yeah. I remember seeing those videos which reminded.
- [102:54]
Shane Cashman
Me of like the umbrella man to a degree at the jfk, you know, in the grassy north, like, just these weird characters now emerge from that, like, failed assassination attempt. I, I, I personally think, like, it was a failure of, we're in like, a pandemic of incompetence because everyone's just failing at their jobs. And then through that failure of incompetence, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, was able to sneak in a bad actor and try to take out Trump.
- [103:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. My first reaction to it was like, there's no way it was like, like any sort of military intelligence operation, because they wouldn't have missed if it was a CIA, they absolutely wouldn't have missed.
- [103:32]
Shane Cashman
Right, right.
- [103:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like, seems to me like the most reasonable explanation is there was maybe some sort of, like, rogue group, a very small rogue group within the military or a military or government that, you know, met with somebody and said, we got to make this happen. And not many people knew about it. And it was just like, very discombobulated, which is why it failed.
- [103:58]
Shane Cashman
And then there's the, the anti Trump people on the right, like, who, who think he's a bad actor, who will be like, it was, it was done to to make him more sympathetic and to, like, get him elected. Oh, that's a whole theory out there, you know, and people who think he's the Antichrist and all that stuff. I, I personally don't think that, Like, I was reluctant to vote for him this time because of what I'm saying to you today about all these people around me on him. Like, I really have a hard time supporting that. I did vote and I, I actually, I don't know if I regret it, but I don't feel good about it because I don't like these people at all and anywhere near him. When I, When I think of Trump, I'm like, I think he's just, he reminds me of my grandma when I explained to her what hashtags are. Oh. Oh, my goodness, this is so amazing. I don't really get it, but it's a, it's a future. So, like, when he's seeing the rockets launch from SpaceX, it's, it's amazing. Amazing. I don't know. I like to think that he doesn't understand that these people are dystopian vampires building a horrible environment around him and using him. But maybe he does. You know, I, I just don't. My gut says he doesn't understand.
- [105:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [105:00]
Shane Cashman
But he's just, like, very impressed with the innovation and that Trump's biggest flaw, one of his biggest flaws is his need to be liked by even the people who hate him. Like, he hates the corporate press, but he loves the corporate press. He wants them to like him so badly. He wants to be, like, welcomed back into the fold that he was once a part of, you know, as much as he claims not to be. I, I think. And the right with him, they want to be accepted by a lot of these people. That's why they all freak out when someone, some celebrity all of a sudden puts on a red hat.
- [105:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [105:31]
Shane Cashman
I'm like, let's not do that. You know, just because they're. They're agreeing with you now doesn't mean it's for good intentions. But, you know, I still like to extend grace to them.
- [105:38]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [105:39]
Shane Cashman
And maybe I'm wrong.
- [105:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [105:41]
Shane Cashman
But probably not.
- [105:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [105:42]
Shane Cashman
What do you think, what do you.
- [105:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Think happens with this whole Elon Trump thing and this whole Doge thing? How do you think this all plays out?
- [105:50]
Shane Cashman
I don't know. So, like, thinking back to history, I think of. I think his name was Frederick Taylor. Taylorism, they called it, or scientific management. It was all about efficiency. It was during that second Industrial Revolution where he's like, we need to make factories way more efficient. Also awesome. Efficiency is great. But it turned, you know, there's lots of negative consequences to it.
- [106:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [106:10]
Shane Cashman
Like workers were suffering. It was horrible. And that's why we would eventually get the muckrakers and stuff who saw how these environments were really bad and anti human and that they started to view people as just replaceable parts. Right. And then allegedly someone like Lenin and Stalin and Mao, they were impressed by Taylorism and that's how informed a lot of their Marxist views on how to run a very centralized state. State that they claim is efficient. I'm not saying that's where we're going, but that feels like there's a lot of people with a lot of money trying to consolidate power into one place and that will have total control over us. Whether it's a technocracy, whether it's just like invisible technocracy that's happening right now. I'm worried about it because when you have experts in charge, like I said in the beginning, how do you define an expert? Mao thought he was an expert and all his people were experts as they industrialized China. But the Great Leap Forward was catastrophic. They had a whole one of the worst famines in society, in the world because of experts saying many things. But one of them was like we should just kill the sparrows. Because the sparrows remind me of freedom in America. But then the sparrows were the ones that ate the bugs in the crops. And the bugs not being there, the swallows not being. The sparrows not being there. The bugs were there, the bugs ate the crops, killed the crops. That's just one aspect of like the four pests campaign that came out of the engineers and the scientists and experts of, of Mao. So it's like, that's like the, the sick, bad version of Taylorism married to communism.
- [107:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [107:52]
Shane Cashman
And it feels like we're heading towards that because. And when I talk about like dissidents now being reluctant to criticize this administration.
- [108:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [108:02]
Shane Cashman
A lot of those dissidents believed in small government as I do. Like I want a really small government. I'm not an anarchist, man. Not yet. After a bad day, it's tax day. So I do feel like an anarchist.
- [108:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It is tax day.
- [108:11]
Shane Cashman
I do feel like one today. But you know, they're, they're going. These dissidents who were so vocal about small government now know are very pro Elon. And Elon is literally consolidating everything down. Just look at the X at X. That's his everything app. That's consolidating banking your, your whole life down into an app.
- [108:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [108:33]
Shane Cashman
Which is antithetical.
- [108:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Didn't he say he wanted a Model X off of that Chinese company?
- [108:38]
Shane Cashman
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, he loves China. They're good to him.
- [108:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [108:40]
Shane Cashman
Just as good as our military is to him. You know, he makes a lot of money off all these places. So with Doge, I think it's great, but like, like, if they. It's so like, where I live in, in, in West Virginia, we're like an hour and a half outside of D.C. i talk to a lot of these people who are getting fired because of Doge. Oh, yeah, because they're like commuters. Right. A lot of them are like these Christians, churchgoers, Trump voters. And like, we didn't expect to be like this. And I have a hard time. I have a hard time being sympathetic because I like, I really hate the government and I really hate these. This overly, you know, this ballooned government, this wasteland, you know, like, I love Doge cutting all this stuff. But it dawned on me talking to this one guy when he's getting those emails about, like, what are the five things you did this week? You know, I'm like, who's reading those emails? And it's like, they're not hiring new people to just read the emails. It's going through Grok or. And then I'll get like the. Oh, that's a leftist talking point. I think it's a fair talking point to make. Like, I don't, I don't like the AI overlords running everything. And so I'd see that as the future is like, they're going to slowly get rid of humans, implement AI as this digital God, as Elon calls it. And then they're probably going to fight over which AI has control. You know, Elon's pretty close, so he's there. But Teal works with Altman, with Andrew Will has. They work with open AI to make their ghost drones and all that stuff.
- [110:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [110:02]
Shane Cashman
So there'll be a war over who's in charge. So maybe that's a good thing for us. But, yeah, I don't know. I feel like we're monopolizing it all.
- [110:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I remember when that story first came out about the workers having to email what they got done that week or whatever. And like, I was arguing my dad, I told my dad about it. He's like, no, you're wrong. Fox News said that it was only remote workers that have to do it. And at the time, my dad was at the VA because he got, see, he got pneumonia and he, he goes to the VA whenever he has, you know, to go to the hospital.
- [110:31]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [110:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like, well, let's ask your nurses. I'm like, ask your nurses if they got the email. And he did. And they're like, yeah, we got the email. All the nurses at the va, it's crazy.
- [110:40]
Shane Cashman
And it just fed right into AI, you know, it's like, I know people who have. A lot of people lost their jobs recently and now they're up against AI in another way. Cuz all these places are now using AI to review resumes. And if like your, if your thing for whatever reason doesn't check all the AI things and not there's not a human looking at it, you're done. Like, how do you fight? So you're, you're losing your job to AI and now you're not able to get a job because of AI. And that these people are very open about it. Altman and you know, Ellison, all these people are being like, man, that's the future. You know, that's why they want ubi. That's why they're these have these private cities, you know, they, they think it'll be a beautiful future like Elon says, where you can have a robot babysitter, you can have your car drive your you around while you play video games. But that's kind of what Yuval Harari said about the useful idiots that refuse that society, that total digital society, that you'll just drug them and give them video games to be complacent, decent. Which is why I'm like, oh, we're there. We're pretty close. I, I just, I want, I want people to like just reject it. You don't have to like be anti all this stuff because it's amazing, it's fun. But like you have to, I mean you have to have everything in moderation.
- [111:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [111:47]
Shane Cashman
To like, you know, our kids are inheriting this, this really dark dystopian world. I think it's, you know, it's pretty nightmarish. But you know, throughout history you can always say that it's always been nightmarish, but for now. But right now it's like, like what makes it different is that it's literally a war in your brain. Like they are literally looking to get in your brain. And when you, you put all these things together. Paler, clear view, the meta thing with the brain waves. Lavender. That's like Skynet.
- [112:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [112:15]
Shane Cashman
At a certain Point that is going to be Sky. And like I said that recently on some show. I forget and like I got pushed back from Tim and some other guests. They won't be like that. I'm like, Elon literally just compared it to Skynet on Rogue Rogan. Like he literally just said, he just said he watched Terminator and he's like, oh, we're almost there. I'm like, he's the guy making this stuff.
- [112:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [112:32]
Shane Cashman
So like I'm, I'm basing on my own research, but I'm also listening to these guys talk about it every day.
- [112:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's interesting. Yeah. Because Rogan seems to be one of the guys that's super optimistic about it. I mean he's been talking about the neural link and he's like obsessed with this idea of, of non verbal communication. I'm not into it with like, you know, being able to see people or basically transmit thoughts back and forth and be able to understand people's intentions like immediately.
- [112:57]
Shane Cashman
Not good.
- [112:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He seems to be a really big, big fan of it or really interested in this idea.
- [113:02]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. He asked Mark Andreessen when he was on recently, like, how long till we get the AI government? I and I get it. You know, he's in that world. He's in Austin. A lot of these companies are there. He's talking to these people. He's seeing a lot of the positive aspects, you know, like, like Tim, Tim Pool recently interviewed, I think David Sachs, one of the AI like czar. And you know, Tim was starting to interview with like talking about more like the consequences of AI and Sachs was just like, I'm tired of talking about negative consequences.
- [113:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [113:33]
Shane Cashman
I'm like, I'm sorry. There's a lot to talk about when it comes to. We're allowed to have concerns over these things. Especially when you all go around saying we're going to be out of jobs.
- [113:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [113:42]
Shane Cashman
Like there's, there's beauty coming out of it. Like for forever I've refused to use any AI.
- [113:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [113:49]
Shane Cashman
I've never touched it until very recently. I've been asking Grok questions just to see because I feel like I've been criticizing. It's like when people criticize a movie they've never seen. I'll be like, I gotta, I gotta use it. You know, just see what it's like. And it's fascinating.
- [113:59]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [114:00]
Shane Cashman
Because I'll go back and use Google for the same questions and they suck. Yeah. Like Grok is way better.
- [114:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Is it really?
- [114:07]
Shane Cashman
It's, it's from so far. Are I can answer certain questions about history and it gives me a way more in depth look. Now obviously I can go read a book or go get a book on, on Google Books or buy a book and you know, listen to something. There's, there's that route. But just in terms of the AI answers on Google and the AI answers on Grok, really so far Grok is better. And like I understand how this is awesome.
- [114:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. But what happens when you start asking Grok and Google different questions about history and they both give you completely different answers?
- [114:32]
Shane Cashman
Grok's like, it's.
- [114:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Who was the villain in World War II too? Google says Hitler. Gro says it was Winston Churchill.
- [114:38]
Shane Cashman
Because. Because now the AI is going to have its own post reality and they're going to be competing.
- [114:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [114:42]
Shane Cashman
Who, who programmed just like when.
- [114:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Well, that's the way, that's the, that's how you get power is you split the population up.
- [114:48]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where we're at. We're so fractured now.
- [114:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [114:51]
Shane Cashman
There's no, you can have anything you want, any reality you want. It's, it's, that's kind of going back to how I was saying about I needed religion in my life because I was spinning out of control and like I wanted my kids. Kids have some sort of moral center.
- [115:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [115:03]
Shane Cashman
Because I was like, look, I'm a very flawed person and I know nothing because I'm just a little human being. But I need to attach myself to something ancient but also modern. Which is a weird thing for me to think, you know, after years of not taking it seriously.
- [115:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [115:16]
Shane Cashman
But a lot of the things I see when I read the Bible, I see like that evil is just, it's infinite. Like it's never, it's always here. It's the same thing. We're always up against the same sort of thing. It's always a war for you. It's just different ways of doing it. So like that, that's for me where I'm coming from, at it now because I needed like some sort of shield against the, the evil. Because I think it's just straight up evil. I think a lot of this stuff is very anti human. Even though they bill it as a beautiful thing.
- [115:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [115:45]
Shane Cashman
They say it's positive. They say it's gonna be great for you. And that's like, you know, they say like when Elon's saying, you know, you can have, you play video games all day, it's gonna be great, be smarter. That hasn't been the case. We have, we are more connected now than ever, but people are more isolated. Suicides are up. Yeah, the maid program in Canada was like 5% of deaths a year ago. So you just sign up for suicide in Canada? Like, we're not. Well, Right, Right. We're. The kids are not smart. They're not smarter, they're dumber. I was a professor for a while. Trust me, it's not good. The public school systems are failing the kids. So, you know, I would get kids in. Be like, they. They didn't know what. Even the degree that temperature freezing was. Like, they just didn't have basic skills. So, like, when they say the AI is just gonna make everything better. I don't think so. I don't think so. Like, allegedly, the AI just passed a Turing test the other day.
- [116:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, I saw that.
- [116:36]
Shane Cashman
And I was thinking, like, does that mean just humans are dumber and getting worse at recognizing AI versus humans? You know, they said it was like a 75% success rate or something. And I don't doubt it. You know, when I. When I'm reading these, the Grock things, I'm. I'm impressed. I'm like, this is. It's eerie. I try to test Grock a lot. I'm like, I'll put up really dry humor a lot. And I like to see what Gro says about it. Now, like, I kind of tricked it yesterday, but not really. I was like. I put up a quote that I said was from Katy Perry, and I put up the picture of the astronaut who was stuck in space for nine months, but the quote wasn't from Katy Perry. It was from William Shatner when he was in the blue origin thing. And I just want to see if Grock would know that this was like, super dry because it's caught other really dry humor. And it didn't. It was like, this is a Katy Perry quote from her Blue origin. I'm like, that's nice. Now that I say it now it's gonna be like, oh, now we know.
- [117:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right?
- [117:25]
Shane Cashman
The trick. But I was curious because I'll say one sentence just like, jokes on. On Twitter, it immediately knows it's a joke, even though it's very dry.
- [117:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Interesting.
- [117:34]
Shane Cashman
Like, I'm like, that's impressive to me, the fact that it's starting to register sarcasm.
- [117:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [117:40]
Shane Cashman
So now that means, you know, I'm. Now I'm feeding, eating it. You know, we all are. And it's going to get better at everything because it's just been eating everything we do. Because it's. Yeah, it's A vampire?
- [117:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, the, the. The neuralink telepathic communication thing is like super crazy to me because it's like, you know, some people like Rogan think it's a great thing because you're gonna, you're gonna be able to catch people in lies or be able to like tell if people are trying to sell you some horseshit or whatever. And it's gonna make, it's gonna make communication better and it's going to get rid of nefarious or bad actors. But like, if you think about thoughts. Right. At least my thoughts, my mind is like a hornet's nest of just crazy running around. And it's not necessarily things that I want people to know.
- [118:26]
Shane Cashman
Right, right. Like if I'm there for a reason.
- [118:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
If I'm right, if I'm like waiting in line or something and I see something, I might have some crazy up thought go through my head. That doesn't mean that's what I want to communicate to them, that person.
- [118:35]
Shane Cashman
Like, how does that machine now tell the difference between.
- [118:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [118:38]
Shane Cashman
A passing, just crazy thought.
- [118:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [118:40]
Shane Cashman
And you having that real thought.
- [118:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right. Because, like, think about, like when you communicate, like when you. Like you would know better than anybody. Like when you write something, like, you have to go through a lot of refining. Oh, yeah, there's like some drafts.
- [118:52]
Shane Cashman
There's drafts.
- [118:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right. You have to draft things to distill it down to the most optimal way to communicate this idea to somebody else. But when you're removing all these layers of refining and drafting communication, you're just going straight from this hornet's nest clusterfuck of chaotic chaos in your mind straight to somebody else. It's going to be just, it seems like just massive miscommunication.
- [119:17]
Shane Cashman
It's not going to be good. It's going to overwhelm people, first of all, and probably make it so you only want to go outside if you can have that. If you have that ability and you're like connected to this network. But then also it'll feed into this idea of the, like the, the Homicide Prediction unit.
- [119:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [119:29]
Shane Cashman
This is predictive policing within your brain, you know? And how are they going to parse through bad ideas? Who's looking through the bad ideas? You know, like, I already don't like, you know, googling certain things. If I'm writing a story and like, it's a crazy thing, I have to look up and I'm like, oh, now they know I looked into that. You know, I, I just, it's. It makes me very uncomfortable. But that's like that's that is the final frontier is inside your brain.
- [119:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [119:51]
Shane Cashman
Knowing what you're thinking. You know, it should be about body language, you know, in person, you know, and just sharing your thoughts without someone. And imagine what it would be like to think while in a conversation. You know, like right now we could have different, like there's other thoughts happening while we're talking and there's a screen now that playing the other thoughts. That would be kind of interesting actually for the show, but alarming, you know, because. And that's what Meta is doing where it's like we're going to read the brain waves and translate that into an image. So like it's going to be great for the companies that want to sell you stuff and great for the, great for the police who want to police you, great for the war companies that want to destroy you. But it's just another step in hurting like interpersonal relationships, like just how they should be, you know, Like I just think it should be as lease amount of technology as possible. Yeah, I say that as we're surrounded by cameras and TV and phones, but like this is still, you know, it's like it's just radio, you know, to me and I, I, I really reject that society and I really do worry about the kids who are going to grow up and not have that foundation where they really like cherish personal relationships, you know, like the, the lady who drove me here today, she's been learning English for two years and she uses her driving to learn English. So she immediately, she was like, this lady's really chatty, what's up with that? And she told me eventually like I'm learning English right now.
- [121:12]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh really?
- [121:13]
Shane Cashman
It was a very choppy. So I'm like now I'm like her data set for a large language model, you know. But like I love that, you know, I love that like I get to learn about her history, you know, real quick, 20 minute drive. We're talking about all this stuff, we're talking about music, English, Spanish, all this stuff. And you know, these are the things I kind of like miss with a lot of the world today. I was, I was very mad when Easy Pass happened in New York because they, they got rid of all the toll booths and I'm that psychopath who would have conversations with the toll booth people who really people behind me. But like one of my early stories for Inverted World started at a toll booth because the guy, my wife's name is Nancy. His wife's name was Nancy.
- [121:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh wow.
- [121:49]
Shane Cashman
And I don't know how that even started. But every time I go to the toll booth, you give me like an extra little bit of information from his life. And like his brother was like shot by the police because the Irish mafia paid them off to do it in Hell's Kitchen in New York City. Crazy story. I was like, this isn't. So every time I'd go through the toll booth and he was there, he'd tell me more of the story and eventually I'd go to his house and we had a long, long, really chat. Right. Interviewed him and turned us into a story. I miss that now. It's just drive right through. I know that's like a small thing. I love that ability to just talk to people.
- [122:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [122:23]
Shane Cashman
People would honk at me and it wasn't the most polite. Sometimes like I just need to know why you think they buried him underneath, you know, this concrete slab, you know, where they're building a racetrack. Those fascinating stories, you know, and I love getting those stories from people.
- [122:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [122:37]
Shane Cashman
So a lot of the stuff that's happening rare today is making us way more isolated.
- [122:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it's really rare. And it's something that I noticed too. Like with a lot of the, the media and the reporting and the journalism that goes on nowadays, like, like far less of it is people actually going places and talking to people there and like getting first hand experience of it. Most of the like, I feel like 90 of the reporting and the journalism that comes out nowadays is reporting on you know, like third, fourth, fifth hand stuff.
- [123:07]
Shane Cashman
Oh yeah, right. It's. Yeah, it's disgusting. It's like the human centipede.
- [123:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [123:11]
Shane Cashman
Of information. And this is like, this is debate the Twitter was having just in the past week because of the Douglas Murray.
- [123:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that was. And I hate the way that he did that too because he was trying to use that like to discredit Dave. Oh, you. Oh, you haven't been there. What are you even talking about?
- [123:24]
Shane Cashman
Like, and it's like I, I didn't agree with him in that point because.
- [123:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [123:28]
Shane Cashman
It doesn't matter like it, it's on the ground reporting is great.
- [123:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yes.
- [123:31]
Shane Cashman
But it shouldn't be the like the ultimate thing to your opinions. And like I, I mentioned the Walter Duranty story where he was going to, you know, the Soviet Union and he was given like the nice pre packaged tour. He didn't see the famines and eventually I guess he did know, but he didn't report on them. You want to Pulitzer. So that's on the ground reporting. That's Fake. Yeah, we know you can name any war going on, and they go and they get, like, just a nice tour from that government who wants you to be a propagandist. So when I said that, people were like, oh, so you don't think on the ground reporting is important? I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that this guy is discrediting Dave's opinion because he hasn't been in this place. But it doesn't always matter.
- [124:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [124:10]
Shane Cashman
However, it is important to go, and I want all the people to go so I can get all the perspectives I've done on the ground reporting for a bunch of different things. Like, I was able to see, like, the border wall at Yuma, and it was insane. It was crazy than I even thought it would be. Not in terms of, like, people running across the border, just in terms of, like. Like, how dystopian are the edge of our country is. And there's just this giant, like, wall that homemade ladders are thrown over, you know, that they climb over. And like, the. The border patrol, they're insane. You know, they don't care. The ones I met, at least they were more worried about me driving around for my story. I was allowed to be there, than. They worry about people coming over the border.
- [124:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [124:47]
Shane Cashman
And the amount of fentanyl coming through, like, millions of pounds coming over the border on tunnels or through drones, you know, And I thought that was fascinating. So, like, I got that. But, you know, I'm. I always say, like, don't just trust me. Like, I'm just one person with a whole lot of baggage in my brain. You know, read as much as you can, whether it's on the ground or not. Right. Because there's also books, you know, so that was a really interesting debate for me, but also, like, a really important one to have, especially right now. What we're talking about with media and everything going on is, look at all these influencers in the White House. They're on the ground. I'm like, I don't feel like I'm getting the full story from them. Them, you know, like, they're right there, and they're not asking the questions I think are important.
- [125:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [125:25]
Shane Cashman
You know, I think it could. And they'll be like, well, it's. It's still early. But I'm like, I don't know. There's a lot going on right now that I think we should be talking about. You know, I don't. I'm not in my life when I'M talking to these people in West Virginia. A lot of this awesome stuff coming out of Doge. It's. It's awesome, but it's like an abstract joy because everyone's still suffering. Boring. Right? There's still, like, we're all poor and like, the gas prices haven't dropped yet by us at least the food's still expensive. Everyone's living pay to check to paycheck. So while it's amazing that we're cutting all this stuff with Doge, you know, there's no. There hasn't yet been real, like, improvement to people's lives. And then I guess the argument would be like, well, it takes time. Totally. But it just sucks that in the inverse, it can be overnight for them to ruin your life.
- [126:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [126:12]
Shane Cashman
You know, like when Biden got in with the pipeline, Was that the KeyOne pipeline? Like, he cut that in, like, immediately, whatever pipeline it was. And that had a direct impact on everyone.
- [126:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [126:22]
Shane Cashman
In prices.
- [126:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [126:23]
Shane Cashman
So I wish it could be the opposite. Now. I'm just. I'm seeing a lot of people not really getting on board with it. And I'm seeing a lot of people really disenchanted, like, m. The to tie all this AI stuff and Trump together. And then with Maha, like the AI movement, these tech billionaire vampires are in direct conflict with Maha. And. And day two of Trump's of him being in office right now, he announced Project Stargate. Right. Did you see that?
- [126:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No.
- [126:49]
Shane Cashman
$500 billion to AI. Sam Altman's there, Larry Ellison.
- [126:54]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like, 500 billion?
- [126:56]
Shane Cashman
Yes. And why are they calling it Stargate? Interesting, right? Because I don't think Stargate ever ended. I think this is just like a continuation of, you know, ESP. Mine. We were talking about the telekinesis. This is just a continuation of that. We got it. Dude, this is a lot of money. This is his second day in office. You have to remember Deep Seek was that. Was that. Was that China's AI thing that came out Deep Sea that day. Right. So we're in like a cold war with this stuff and an AI race. And then when Deep Sea came out, Mark Andreessen was like, this is a Sputnik moment. And I agree this is big. But. But why I say it's in direct conflict with Maha is that at this press conference, Altman and Ellison go up and be. And they're like, we're going to make. We're going to use AI to. To take your blood samples and see if you got any, like, weird cancer. And if we find your Cancer. We will make designer 48 hour MRNA vaccines. Yeah. And like, you hear that? And then all the Maha moms.
- [127:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Human Genome Project.
- [127:51]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. All the Maha mom's like, what do you mean?
- [127:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [127:54]
Shane Cashman
And so when they see RFK Jr. Not like, you know, kind of being a little more pro. Pro MMR vaccines, then you see this. You know, people are reluctant now to. To really, you know, the Maha crowd, at least that I'm talking to. I mean, there's some who are still in support, obviously, but I. I see this as a direct slap in the face to Maha.
- [128:12]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
There's a lot of people who think RFK Jr. Is like a Trojan horse for the pharmaceutical companies.
- [128:18]
Shane Cashman
There's a lot of people think he's like Mossad or controlled by Mossad, you know.
- [128:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah, there was that crazy story that came out.
- [128:23]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, it's crazy.
- [128:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Who was the one who. It was Candace Owens.
- [128:26]
Shane Cashman
I. Oh, yeah. And Ian. Carol and Ian. Yeah. He's been on this show. He's been on my show. Had some pretty crazy conversations with Ian. I like Ian and. But he, you know, I don't know if that's the full story. It goes back to what I'm saying with Boogie. The Boogeyman. Right. It's very possible, though, because I. The Kennedys, in my opinion, are degenerates. You know, I like. I like the idea of jfk, but like, if we're talking just like on a moral level, I just don't vibe with that. Like they're. They're like cheating on their wives. It's all kind of gross to me. Like, perverted. I'm not into that.
- [128:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [128:57]
Shane Cashman
But, like, look, like I could separate art from the artist. I try to do that with politicians, but it's a little different because they're actually creating laws about our lives.
- [129:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. It's a weird thing. Like, maybe it's like that's the kind of person you have to be to be in politics and be in Washington.
- [129:10]
Shane Cashman
That's.
- [129:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Maybe there's terrible. Maybe they can get good stuff done. But maybe they're like, you know, morally. They're pieces of.
- [129:16]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. And. And they. Most. Most of them are Trump's. No. You know, he's not great either. Yeah, clearly. So it's why it's funny to me when I see all the purity tests going around.
- [129:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [129:25]
Shane Cashman
D.C. i almost called it Hollywood. It's like a Freudian stand. It's like, really no difference.
- [129:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Tim Dillon called D.C. hollywood for ugly people.
- [129:32]
Shane Cashman
I love Tim Dillon. That's amazing. But it's true. And, like, so I'm saying all that to be like, it's very possible that there is blackmail on RFK Jr. Yeah. Because he's got a crazy life. He's, like, decapitating whales, corpses.
- [129:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
He literally had, like, 35 names and addresses in the black book.
- [129:48]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's weird. And then there's that whole story. Like, how do you ignore that he had that. The. The. The one reporter who was, like, sexting him, like, just recently, right?
- [129:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [129:56]
Shane Cashman
That whole story was weird to me because I'm like, if that were me getting those types of messages from some strange lady or whatever she was to him. You're blocked, and we're not talking again.
- [130:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, allegedly.
- [130:04]
Shane Cashman
He's opening up the. He keeps opening up the messages. Right. He's blocked, she's blocked. She's not blocked. So that says a lot to me if that's true. Right. I don't know. He's never really addressed it. Like, I think it's very possible that they do have something on him, but. Or if he's a Trojan horse. Possible. They say the same for Trump, because in my mind, he's kind of a Trojan horse for the AI people. He just gave him $500 billion to build things that I think are insane. I'm not taking MRNA shots. I'm not. Like, it goes back to the whole thing of, like, it sounds amazing. It sounds amazing, but, like, this is all, like, an accelerationism. Right. It sounds amazing as how Elon talks about terraforming Mars. Like, he's like. Like, you know, to terraform Mars, we'll just. We have to drop thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars. Like, so, like, that's how I see this stuff. It's like, they say it's for the good, but a lot of destruction has to take place first.
- [130:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Did he really say he dropped thermonuclear bombs?
- [130:53]
Shane Cashman
A Colbert? Yeah, like, years ago.
- [130:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [130:55]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. He might have changed his mind since then, but he was like, he's. Well, he said there was a fast way and a slow way. I don't remember what the slow way was, but the fast way was dropping thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars to make it habitable.
- [131:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Have you heard the story about how there's, like, they found isotopes on Mars that, like, are so rare, it's like they match the exact isotopes they found in, like, the nucle. The thermonuclear test sites on Earth.
- [131:16]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [131:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And it's like, they. People think that There was, like, an ancient thermonuclear war on Mars or something.
- [131:23]
Shane Cashman
Well, this goes. This will connect to my fringe theory. This is just a fringe theory from my brain now that I'm. I'll take outside of it. But, like, Elon's from a breakaway civilization. He's descendant of a ancient civilization that left Earth many, many years ago. Maybe. Maybe that's why his grandfather was looking for the lost civilization of Kalahari. That's where they're from, you know, and they went to Mars, and that's where he was doing a lot of the stuff or had information passed down to him from an ancient species. I mean, look, anything's possible now. And I only say that because, like, Elon's quote is so good. You know, what's the most likely outcome is the most entertaining.
- [131:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So for me, the most likely outcome is the most.
- [131:58]
Shane Cashman
Is that how it goes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. So for me, the most entertaining outcome would be him being from a breakaway civilization, and that's why he has all these technologies.
- [132:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [132:08]
Shane Cashman
To. To rule the world and go back to Mars, his home planet.
- [132:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. And he's hopped up on ketamine.
- [132:12]
Shane Cashman
Right. So they say He's. I mean, if he's. If he is doing all this stuff, he's got to be hopped up on something.
- [132:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [132:18]
Shane Cashman
Just like, you know, JFK was hopped up on stuff, too. What were they giving him? Was it. I forget what, Amphetamines or something.
- [132:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Have you heard the story of JFK and Timothy Leary?
- [132:29]
Shane Cashman
No.
- [132:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Was it Timothy Leary? There was a story how this one lady named Mary. I forget her last name, but she was one of his, like, lovers, and she went to Timothy Leary, and she's like, hey, I need some lsd. I have a really powerful friend that wants to try it, but she wouldn't tell him who it was.
- [132:51]
Shane Cashman
Was.
- [132:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And he's like, I want to go with you. I can, you know, give it to him and, you know, explain it to him and all this stuff. She's like, no, you can't even know. I can't tell you anything about it. And the story is that she, like, gave Kennedy the lsd. They did LSD together, and that was, like, the precipice of him wanting to, like, back out of Vietnam and do all this stuff. And then that lady was whacked while she was on a run, like, a year later.
- [133:14]
Shane Cashman
What?
- [133:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
This is who it was? Yeah. Mary Pinchot.
- [133:17]
Shane Cashman
Holy.
- [133:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Timothy Leary was associated with Mary Pinchot Meyer. And she. Oh, her husband was in the CIA, too, of course. L ly supplied her with LSD and she used it with her lover, jfk. There's a whole book about it. It's called Mary's Mosaic. And Leary later claimed that Meer helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and reproachment with Cuba.
- [133:40]
Shane Cashman
Dude, they mkultured him.
- [133:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, that's her. Yeah.
- [133:45]
Shane Cashman
Crazy.
- [133:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, that's a. That's a. That's a really wild story.
- [133:48]
Shane Cashman
Pretty sure him, him and. And Jackie were on amphetamines too, weren't they? Getting like some kind of crazy drug injected into them? I don't know. Yeah. Like, I think it was amphetamines. They called it, like the Happy Doctor or something.
- [133:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [133:57]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And it ended. I mean, he stopped it at one point, but I'm pretty sure he was on something. But they all are. Yeah, they all. You kind of have to be.
- [134:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I always wonder what Trump's on, because that guy's like a machine. Yeah, he can be clean, too. I know you've talked about Kanye too, how he's just like a workaholic in.
- [134:14]
Shane Cashman
This is Like, I saw him eat nothing. Like, I think I saw him eat once in like 24 hours.
- [134:18]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [134:19]
Shane Cashman
It's crazy watching these people. They're just fame, like that level of fame, you almost become an alien. Like, you're a different species. And like, watching Kanye, you know, I'm watching him do fashion, architecture, politics. He's trying to rewrite the Constitution in the night with Reddit and, and then making music all like, in one space.
- [134:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And like, how is he trying to rewrite the concept?
- [134:43]
Shane Cashman
Oh, he thought, he thought he could weaponize the autists online to rewrite the Constitution to fit what he thought would be more like Christian based views.
- [134:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, wow.
- [134:51]
Shane Cashman
And like, he wants to put blasphemy laws in place, which I get. But I'm like, I don't want that because I'm like, because we're totally deranged society. But I'm like, dude, you put blasphemy laws in place, then there's no you. Like, you can't exist. No, there's no young Kanye.
- [135:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right? Yeah.
- [135:06]
Shane Cashman
And, like, there's no man sensing, like, despite my, like, I have my own thing going on. I think I also believe in free will. Right. So this is like a way of installing like a determinist worldview onto people, which is what AI is doing too, if you do like predictive policing and stuff like that.
- [135:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [135:21]
Shane Cashman
So I'm against all of that. Right. But he Was really trying to, like, rewrite the Constitution, which is a hilarious thing to think. I'd be like, you know what? I'm gonna rewrite the Constitution. Yeah, hilarious. He. And he hired a constitutional lawyer. I talked to him. I know that, like, he has talked about two serious people, like, about this.
- [135:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Because the Founding Fathers went out of their way to make sure that religion and Christianity was in no way tied to the Constitution. Like, those guys. A lot of those guys were anti Christians.
- [135:49]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Some of them, like pagans, I guess. And, like, some of them were Christian.
- [135:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But, like, it's Masons.
- [135:53]
Shane Cashman
It's. Yeah, there's a lot of that, too. A lot of Masons still today.
- [135:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Have you heard the original national anthem?
- [135:58]
Shane Cashman
Them? No.
- [135:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It's like an ode to Bacchus.
- [136:00]
Shane Cashman
No.
- [136:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [136:01]
Shane Cashman
The wine God, of course, had no idea.
- [136:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [136:04]
Shane Cashman
That's wild. The Masons, like, I, I. That's another boogeyman for people. They think it's all the, the Masons, about the Illuminati, the Masons. I don't think it's that simple, but there's certainly super dark Masons out there, like, doing weird stuff. And I've known some people who've become Masons, and they've said, like, when you enter, you can become a light Mason or a Dark Mason. This is one of these things. I haven't looked into all that much, but, like, it's. It's always been weird to me how many presidents have been Masons and how much architecture has been informed by Masonry, obviously, but, like, in D.C. in particular. So, like, I don't know, but it just seems like another one of those things. Like, it's just another weird dark cog in this, like, machine that's just grinding away at America and the world and all this stuff. But, like, my only real experience with, with going to one of those places, not the Masons, but the Odd Fellows, was I went to an Odd Fellows to play a show show with my old band. We're like a death metal show. And we show up and it's an Odd Fellows, and I see a door in the wall and I pull it open. It's just a skeleton inside. That's interesting. That's very interesting.
- [137:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
A real one.
- [137:06]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Yeah.
- [137:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
- [137:07]
Shane Cashman
I put beer in its mouth and then our van exploded.
- [137:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, wow.
- [137:10]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Not fully, but we were, we were, we were on the side.
- [137:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Didn't you say you played with Horse, the band?
- [137:16]
Shane Cashman
We might have opened for them, but I. I know John Carol, who was their drummer.
- [137:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, really?
- [137:21]
Shane Cashman
While. Yeah, he's now he's in the Sawtooth Grin, which is, like, one of my favorite bands.
- [137:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Okay, okay.
- [137:24]
Shane Cashman
But, yeah, Horse Man's great. But yeah, I was, like, playing in shows with, like, those bands for years. Like, for 10 years all around, like the country. Not, like, for half the country. We didn't make it really out west much. But during MySpace days, just booking tours. On MySpace.
- [137:38]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [137:39]
Shane Cashman
10 bucks to go to Alabama, you know, for the night. Florida was always the best. Florida and Virginia were, like, our favorite places to go ago.
- [137:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Tampa, Florida, is the death metal capital of the world, man.
- [137:47]
Shane Cashman
Is it, what, Cannibal Corpse here or six?
- [137:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, Cannibal. Cannibal Corpse. A lot of them.
- [137:51]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Dude. Great metal in Florida. Shy Hallud came from here. Great hardcore band that left Florida and then moved to my neck of the woods in New York and Poughkeepsie. Like I said, Manson. Yeah. I always love coming to Florida. I almost died in Tampa, though, at one point.
- [138:04]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [138:04]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Back in my drug days, I had bad issues with. With drugs and bought some things I shouldn't have bought.
- [138:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What kind of drugs?
- [138:09]
Shane Cashman
It was like, oxygen, cotton, I think. And I was on a. I had a bad pill phase in my life. I broken both knees.
- [138:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, really?
- [138:16]
Shane Cashman
At shows. One knee playing a show. Where was I? Somewhere in New York. The whole thing just. That was horrible. And then a few months later, I had a Dillinger Escape Plan show when they were playing 43 burnt in the Chance in Poughkeepsie, someone jumped off the balcony above me and I landed on my knee and broke. During that breakdown, the end of the song. Oh, that sucked. But so I got, like, addicted to pills. Pills. And I was in my early 20s. It was a real shame and a very horrible thing. So it came down here, still into that stuff. And a friend was like, we can get some good pills. And we went. And I actually thought of this as I was driving here because I'm like, oh. I kind of, like, had, like an aftertaste of the pill, like, being here.
- [138:55]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, God. Died from pills.
- [138:58]
Shane Cashman
Oh, it's horrible. Bought pills from a dude outside. I think like a dog track or something. Yeah, there's a dog track. And this guy had an OD. He had OD'd years prior and lost all his fingers. So I picked the pills off of his mitten skin that had no fingers. It was like a balloon. Knots attached to his little fat skin hand. I'm just like. And we snorted it. And I had never gotten so sick. I thought I was gonna die. Yeah, it was the worst I've ever felt. And I was typically not doing stuff like that after the pills. Yeah. But like not snorting stuff ever, you know. And that was really disgusting. Disgusting. Throwing up for like days.
- [139:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [139:36]
Shane Cashman
But it was the highest I'd ever been. Like, it was insane how you know how that was. Went right to my brain. I'll never forget that guy's hand in the dark.
- [139:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Jesus Christ.
- [139:44]
Shane Cashman
I should have known from that. Like, you should not touch anything.
- [139:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [139:47]
Shane Cashman
After, you know, Leaves this like giant bear claw. So that's my memory of Tampa and playing shows down here.
- [139:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. A lot of drugs around here, man.
- [139:55]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. It's just like us.
- [139:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
A lot of people who've died. I thought I was talking to my buddy the other day. I was like, dude, it's a miracle we made it through.
- [140:00]
Shane Cashman
True. Seriously.
- [140:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Because we know so many. Like, so there's been so many casualties of pills and opiates.
- [140:05]
Shane Cashman
That's how me and my friends feel too. Just like. Because we were doing a lot of stuff. You know, horrible things like robot robo tripping. Yeah, yeah. You know, Coruscant and like you can't even do that anymore though. Not that you should. But drinking like, you know, taking these pills and drinking 40s of Old English. Like just ridiculous things. Listening to bands like Earth Crisis who are straight edge singing along. Like I am straight edge while taking swigs of like Crazy Horse, you know. And like I, I, I look back a lot. I'm like, how did we make it?
- [140:33]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [140:33]
Shane Cashman
Cuz we were very lucky. Very lucky.
- [140:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. There's some. There's something weird about drugs and music where it's like the best music comes out of people who are on a lot of drugs.
- [140:45]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [140:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like have big time drug problems.
- [140:48]
Shane Cashman
That's why the government gave the, the, the Doors acid, you know, that's why everyone got acid. Look, really. Look what I mean, just look what acid did to music.
- [140:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [140:56]
Shane Cashman
Like with the Beatles, with the Beach Boys. Like, I love the Beach Boys. A big time Beach Boys fan. When Brian Wilson started doing drugs, they got weird. Really good. That's how we got Pet Sounds. It's my favorite favorite.
- [141:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really.
- [141:09]
Shane Cashman
Right. God Only Knows is my favorite song. All My Children were Born to that song. And my wife walked down the aisle to that song. I'm obsessed with that song. I love that. Such a beautiful song. But like him doing drugs really changed the way he viewed music. Music. I guess he has synesthesia. Synesthesia as well. Where you can see you correlate sounds and colors.
- [141:28]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh.
- [141:29]
Shane Cashman
Kanye says he has it too, but he hears these voices, you know. And then the drugs accelerated that. Yeah, he sent Beach Boys out on tour and he's like, I'm not touring anymore. I'm just gonna stay home and write crazy music.
- [141:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [141:39]
Shane Cashman
And Pet Sounds is crazy. And I mean, he might have been MK Ultra, honestly, because he had a bad. His life was crazy, you know. After Pet Sounds, he did Smile, which is a great record, but that was like put in a vault for a long time and picked apart and other song like songs from Smile as he intended them to be. Put other records. Like that's how we got Good Vibrations is from Smile. And if you listen to Good Vibrations, how it came out initially, how he envisioned it, it was like this, you know, path of American history leading up to Good Vibrations. And it's such a beautiful crescendo. But he's on massive drugs. And while recording that, that, you know, he. He's thinking he's manifesting fires. Like there's a part on Smile where he's saying it's about O's cow in Chicago fire and stuff. And he starts a fire in the studio and they're all wearing like fireman hats. And I actually talked to the lady who played bass on that song. She's still alive and she's amazing. She was part of the Wrecking Crew. She's part of that. That group that played a lot of his tracks in studio. And he. A fire started like on some. Down the road or something across town. And he was like, I did it. I started that fire with my brain, you know, like, he. So drugs were interesting, but like, that's all to say that shouldn't do drugs. But yeah, it definitely made music way interesting. And so he's doing that and making that. And now the Beatles are competing with him.
- [142:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [142:59]
Shane Cashman
Because the Beatles are seeing, like, he sees the Beatles and he's like, I need to do something better. Then the Beatles see him and then now they're competing and like, I'm not the biggest. I like the Beatles. I'm not the biggest fan. And. But it's amazing to see that competition and then how the drugs were injected into either camp and then all of them, you know. But like, I'm very glad I don't do drugs anymore.
- [143:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. And then you see, like, when artists get off drugs and they sober up, like, the music's just not the same. There's like this intangible thing that disappears. It doesn't always work.
- [143:25]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. I'm trying to think, like, maybe when Lil Wayne got out of jail. Like, it kind of stunk. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Wayne. Like, I like quarter three and stuff, but he's probably not sober now. But like, yeah, it doesn't always happen, happen. They lose whatever that is. Like, it's like a recklessness or it opens up. But it's sad because like, a lot.
- [143:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Of artists, I think Gucci, man, is the best example. Like, like you said, his stuff's still good, but like, there was something about that moment, that period in time where he was just cranking out that Gucci tracked. Yeah. Fat beer belly Gucci.
- [143:53]
Shane Cashman
It was a good time.
- [143:54]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Just cranking out multiple tracks per day. Coming out on Dat Piff.
- [143:59]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, dude. Oh, man, I miss those rap blog days. Days.
- [144:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, dude.
- [144:02]
Shane Cashman
I sort of not write dot com all the time. It's like my favorite blog to get rap songs. But like now he got a jail. He's like, he's ripped. He looks good.
- [144:09]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [144:10]
Shane Cashman
He's put out some good songs. But like, no, I agree with like that song Lemonade. Old school Gucci. Yeah, it's a great, great song.
- [144:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
First day out. Oh, God, that's the best one.
- [144:19]
Shane Cashman
I'm gonna probably listen to that tonight now. Something about being in warm weather too always makes me want to hear Gucci. Yeah. He's Georgia, right?
- [144:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Atlanta.
- [144:26]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love, love that stuff though. But yeah, I don't know, like, the drugs, like, we did it and it definitely influenced our music because we were writing some like real trippy, like weird death metal with jazz.
- [144:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [144:35]
Shane Cashman
But it was. There was. It was fun to like just get in a basement and be like, crazy, you know, and just like crazy stuff, you know? And what we have is like a four track recorder, like a task cam, you know, and then somehow go out into the world all high and do crazy things and not go to jail and not die. I don't know how. Wow. I really don't know how we somehow sidestepped. I mean, some of us went to jail.
- [144:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [144:57]
Shane Cashman
Some of us didn't make it. My core group of friends are still thankfully alive.
- [145:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [145:01]
Shane Cashman
Despite the debauchery that we went through for many, many years.
- [145:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Yeah. It's always curious to see, like, what, like how also the government is still using drugs, you know, Like. Like, because the government obviously tries to weaponize everything they could get their hands on and try to like that. That's like, like the. The most innovation and the most money goes into stuff to.
- [145:24]
Shane Cashman
For war. Right.
- [145:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Like technology, for war, drugs, for war. Like during the Cold War and stuff like that.
- [145:29]
Shane Cashman
Big Pharma is part of the military industrial complex. It's part of the media industrial complex. Look, you watch TV and like every commercials for some big drug.
- [145:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [145:37]
Shane Cashman
Which is why they're freaking out. I think that RFK says he's going to ban those. And like if he does, I think that's great. You know, I don't think these corporations should have. Have free speech.
- [145:46]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [145:47]
Shane Cashman
Like, like Clear View AI is a good example of this. People are really upset when Clear View took all everyone's faces off the Internet. It just scraped the Internet of everyone's face to put their database.
- [145:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [145:58]
Shane Cashman
And then their CEO at the time was like, our corporation has the ability to do that because of freedom of speech. It's our expression. I'm like, wait, that doesn't extend to you? Yeah, that was his argument. I think it was like on ABC or C. Cbs, something like that where he said that. But I don't agree with that. And we're the only country other than New Zealand, I believe that has these commercials.
- [146:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [146:17]
Shane Cashman
And they're a joke to me. And I don't think they're safe. These drugs are. Everyone has like a crazy.
- [146:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Half of half of the commercial has to list the side effects.
- [146:25]
Shane Cashman
Death, diarrhea, occasional pregnancy, what.
- [146:28]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Loss of limbs, how.
- [146:30]
Shane Cashman
But like they're certainly drugging us. I think it's in our water. It's in the sky. You know, I think it's coming out of every. They get you in every possible place.
- [146:38]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [146:38]
Shane Cashman
Our, our grocery stores, our filled with poison.
- [146:40]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [146:41]
Shane Cashman
You know, we're very careful with what we give our kids. Just. Cuz like I wish I was raised that way, but I wasn't. You know, my parents just gave us TV dinners out of microwave.
- [146:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right. Right.
- [146:50]
Shane Cashman
I'm halfway. Okay. I have like a caveman skull and some really problematic thoughts. But like, you know, now that we know this stuff like that we are conscientious about like plastic.
- [147:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [147:02]
Shane Cashman
And the water we drink and like the fluoride in the water is a issue. You know, I really do think that. And like I remember talking to the guy in our town who does the water department and he was. I forget why he was there. He was there to count like our water to make sure our pipe was working where the city water was coming in. I'm like, I was telling him about like filtering water. He's like the four eyes. Not bad for you. Right. I'm like, all right. Like, why do you think that he's like, well, you know, it's only a little bit. It's only a very small amount. It won't have any effect. And he's the whole cavity spiel. Right. Except for your teeth, which doesn't make any sense.
- [147:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right, right, right.
- [147:33]
Shane Cashman
But correct. Cool, dude. Then he. He tells me, like, we go on, and he tells me I. He says, I will be fined by the county if I stop putting fluoride in the water.
- [147:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [147:43]
Shane Cashman
And I have to be. And have to pay, like, some ridiculous amount for mouthwash for the public schools. I'm like, huh.
- [147:49]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [147:49]
Shane Cashman
That's interesting. And then he was like. And then, honestly, he's like, I've, like, tested fluoride in water, and it just, like, has this insane shelf life. Like, just doesn't go away.
- [147:58]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [147:59]
Shane Cashman
He was like, that was weird. Like, I'm like, that's what I'm saying, dude. So they find any way to. To. To get this stuff into you? It's like, almost nothing is safe because every part of your life has been infiltrated by this stuff.
- [148:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [148:11]
Shane Cashman
It's coming out of the sky. It's coming in the ground. You just do your best. You're not gonna. I'm not gonna live in a bubble to avoid this stuff. Like, I know I've got plastic all up in this body.
- [148:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [148:20]
Shane Cashman
You know, for lots of reasons. And, like, I'm covered in tattoos, and that's probably also not great.
- [148:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [148:24]
Shane Cashman
Right. So I can do my best now and also teach our kids, you know, know the dangerous. But sometimes it is funny, like. Like, we try not to eat salmon too much. Like, salmon's, like, part bug. You're seeing that, like, the bioengineered salmon that.
- [148:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
You mean, like, the farm raised salmon?
- [148:37]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, that they've, like. It's bioengineered, and the FDA approved it back in the 90s, and they've got all these salmon farms, bioengineered salmon farms out west that keep breaking out into the wild population. Oh, no. I haven't seen this for years. So, like, salmon break out. Oh, there's been a ton of, like, just collapses of the nets in the. Just, like. Yeah. They're part of the real thing now. So, like, wow. They're procreating with normal wild salmon. So, like, you don't know what salmon is really, but that. You can say that for lots of things.
- [149:03]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [149:03]
Shane Cashman
But you've. We've watched the color of salmon change.
- [149:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yes. Yeah.
- [149:07]
Shane Cashman
It's weird.
- [149:08]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. It's not supposed to be. It's not supposed to be that pink Color.
- [149:10]
Shane Cashman
No, it's super weird.
- [149:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [149:12]
Shane Cashman
And I used to love salmon. So, you know, but we tell our kids this and sometimes I forget, like I tell our 8 year old that. I don't tell our friends a 4 year old that and we'll be, we were at a party recently and some dinner thing, they gave out salmon. I was just gonna be respectful. I'm gonna eat, I'm not gonna stop the party and be like, this is Bug that person? Yeah. But my son does, he's like, oh, I don't eat salmon. This is like Bug. I'm like, oh man, I'm proud. But maybe we gotta teach him not to say it in public all the time. Yeah, but, but I do. You know, there's certain things we talk about and I think it's good for kids to know at an early age and just be careful because it is a crazy, depraved world and everyone's out to get you, but you don't want to make them paranoid.
- [149:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. I mean you can really tell the difference. Like if you like, if we go, if we go on like a trip to like Costa Rica or something for a week and we're just, I can eat anything, pizza, burgers, tacos, drink beer. And I feel great, I feel light. And then you come back home and you realize like just going to Chipotle, you feel like you just ate a, a pound of concrete after.
- [150:12]
Shane Cashman
Affects your whole body.
- [150:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I mean the difference is, is crazy that you can feel it.
- [150:19]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I, I, that's, it's gross to me. I, I, I really, that's why it's like, it's, it's this weird, controversial topic these days. We were talking about in like, in the political world about like if food stamps should allow people to buy this poison stuff. Right, right. My take is no, because it's our money and I'd rather not poison people. I also don't want my money going to like abortions or Stinger missiles, Palantir or like, or like, you know, people getting killed with the death penalty. Like, I don't want to support anything like that. Right. So that falls in line with how I feel. But people are like, people just have that option. I'm like, you have the option with your own money. I'd rather not. I also like, you know, it's hard, it's a hard thing to talk about with people where like they want to tell companies, don't make that stuff that I'll stop there though. Right? Because I'm like, I don't want to really tell the companies what they can and can't do. Yeah, it's. It's. But it's all, you know, it's all like a gray area because that's in conflict with my idea of the monopolies now. Right. And, like, what are we gonna do with these giant tech companies that are taking over? As I said, like, we're. It's a. Reflective of what happened with the monopolies with Teddy Roosevelt and the trust busting and all that stuff.
- [151:24]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [151:24]
Shane Cashman
So it's like, I. I don't really agree with this. Someone like Milton Friedman would say, you know, competition is the best way to take care of Monopoly. Monopoly. And I think that's probably the best way because there's really no taking care of monopolies. Like, Standard Oil was broken up, and they eventually just started, like, reemerging, you know, and like, they'd be like, okay, ExxonMobil is now back together. You know, there's still a network of them.
- [151:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [151:45]
Shane Cashman
You know, Standard Oil still is not here, but it is here. It's just been fractured across the country, so it's not as powerful. It's probably still doing the same things.
- [151:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [151:54]
Shane Cashman
So, yeah. I'm just. It's. It's tough. It's just not one right answer. I think it's a lot of this stuff.
- [151:59]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [151:59]
Shane Cashman
And the only way to really.
- [152:01]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
And there's sometimes stuff. Sometimes the reaction can be an overreaction. It can be too much. Like, I always worry about that with, like, the vaccine stuff. Right. Because, like, the code. Vaccines come out. Now people. A lot of people think. And me, I'm kind of. I don't know.
- [152:11]
Shane Cashman
Right.
- [152:12]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Maybe all vaccines are bad.
- [152:13]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [152:13]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But maybe not. Maybe that's totally wrong. Maybe a lot of them are really good. I mean, we know ancient people were using, like, ancient versions of vaccines with antibodies and using that stuff to cure ailments and plague and stuff. Stuff like this.
- [152:24]
Shane Cashman
I think there was something to those older vaccines.
- [152:26]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [152:26]
Shane Cashman
Like, not just like those, but like, the ones we had when we were kids. But there's also ones like. The vaccine schedule is ridiculous.
- [152:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Right.
- [152:31]
Shane Cashman
Oh, that's insane. I'm glad we're having that conversation as a society. But, yeah, the. The backlash. We could overcompensate into oblivion for sure. So you got to be careful. Yeah. I've got one. One of our kids does nothing right. And she's got the best health immune system of all of our kids.
- [152:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [152:47]
Shane Cashman
Our oldest has a few, and we delayed his schedule because we were at that point, even pre covered everything.
- [152:52]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [152:53]
Shane Cashman
I was already distrusting my wife more. So. Right. She was like, we're gonna just hold off on a few of these things because it's like, that's a lot to give a kid at once.
- [153:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [153:00]
Shane Cashman
And I never really thought about it. Right. So I was like, all right, cool. We got kicked out of different practices. We're not doing all of them at once. And then covet happened. And it was like a crazy, stressful time for obviously everyone, but for me personally, it was like losing the job. Wife was pregnant with our second.
- [153:16]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [153:16]
Shane Cashman
Had a. We. We had closed on our first house the day New York State shut down.
- [153:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
- [153:21]
Shane Cashman
So I was like, experiencing stress to a whole new degree. Like, honestly, the pandemic was the least of my problems. Like, it was like, all this other stuff was crazy. So I go to my doctor, who I've been going to for years. I'm like, hey, like, my heart just feels crazy. Like, I'm just, like, stressed. Like, what should I do? I'm like, I'm just looking for, like, we're going to change your diet. We're going to do this and that.
- [153:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [153:40]
Shane Cashman
I didn't realize she had gone so unhinged, where she was like, the best thing you can do for yourself is take the COVID shot right now. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And she told me, like, I made my husband do it. I made my little kids do it. You know, I make my husband mask up at the gym. I was like, oh, wow. I'm surrounded by a crazy person. Like, oh. It happened to be the day that New York lifted the mask ban. They said you'd have to wear masks in public anymore, which we weren't doing. Nancy and I weren't doing it. But like, the hospital. The hospitals made you do it. And the doctor practiced me to do it. And the doctor, the. The practice was running around like crazy. They were like, what are we gonna do without mask on? Like, they were so. Those so scared. That should have been like an inkling as to what I was getting into. But I was shocked. That was her excuse. That was her, like, thing to me.
- [154:20]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [154:21]
Shane Cashman
And I was like, well, she was like, it would alleviate your stress with the pandemic. I'm like, that is literally, like, last. I'm like, I just need to know how to deal with stress better. I've always been a stressed out person. It was peak stress that time.
- [154:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [154:31]
Shane Cashman
So that's, you know, tie all that in with the technocracy and all this Stuff like experts in charge. She's. She's allegedly an expert, but she's lost her mind. So how am I supposed to have any trust in these institutions, you know, when I'm seeing them lose their minds? But like. And then that. Her response is now discrediting real problems. You know, like there you could. You do need a vaccine. Perhaps if you go to some crazy place.
- [154:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right.
- [154:54]
Shane Cashman
And they've got something breaking out. But like, I'll. I'm more into the old school ones.
- [154:57]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [154:57]
Shane Cashman
Then these new, like technological, like MRNA stuff.
- [155:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [155:00]
Shane Cashman
They're just. It's too experimental now. So that's. That's gonna be interesting way to navigate the future too.
- [155:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. And also, like, for my kids, our pediatrician is like, they kicked us out because we said we didn't want to do the vaccines. Like, they're like, you can't come here anymore because you're going to put all the other people at risk.
- [155:16]
Shane Cashman
Crazy.
- [155:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
So. And we went around everywhere we've been looking for like holistic doctors that don't push those things. And they all suck.
- [155:24]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are.
- [155:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
They're all garbage.
- [155:26]
Shane Cashman
None of them give a y Y.
- [155:27]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That's our problem. Not that they're too woo. It's just like, they don't pay attention. We really love the lady doctor pediatrician who is pushing the vaccine because she, like, pays the most attention to the kids. She's like the most affectionate. She like, gives them the time of day but like, at the same time. So now we're like, to the point where we're just trying to like, oh, we're gonna just delay. We're gonna delay, we're gonna delay. And like, not saying no because, like, she's the only one who seems to care.
- [155:48]
Shane Cashman
Right.
- [155:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
But at like the same time, we don't want to, you know, do that full schedule of vaccines all at once with these young kids.
- [155:54]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. It's weird. I think it's. It's a lot, you know, and then we think about a lot of different diseases and who knows where what they're going to attribute to like RFK said he's going to give us like the. The answer to where autism, like a lot of autism is coming from.
- [156:07]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [156:08]
Shane Cashman
Like, I'm like, what does that even mean? Because I. It's kind of like the boogeyman thing. It's a lot of things.
- [156:12]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [156:12]
Shane Cashman
You know, it's like our diet is terrible.
- [156:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [156:14]
Shane Cashman
The sky is filled with trash. You know, I got this whole thing. I talk about fake clouds and like, I. There's fake clouds. Like, I mean. And I mean, like, there's real clouds up there, but they're also filled with a lot of weird forever chemicals that are.
- [156:26]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I've seen the videos of the people making clouds, the machines that make clouds.
- [156:29]
Shane Cashman
There are machine clouds, machine made clouds. There's chemtrails. There's. There's clouds that are just made up, mutilated with forever chemicals.
- [156:35]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Dude, we had. We just had two crazy hurricanes. And I and half my friends all believed that the CIA made the hurricanes.
- [156:40]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. We're in the future.
- [156:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
There's a video of Meu Kaku talking about this, like, 10 years ago.
- [156:46]
Shane Cashman
Oh, yeah, I know.
- [156:47]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Talking about how we created thunderstorms in Vietnam, I think.
- [156:50]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Operation Popeye.
- [156:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Is that what it was?
- [156:52]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, yeah. In Vietnam, they were. They decided to get the Vietcong washed out of their tunnels. They were going to accelerate the tsunami season with seating. Yeah. Look at that cloud machine.
- [157:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, here's the video. The cloud machine.
- [157:03]
Shane Cashman
Dude, this thing is nuts.
- [157:05]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
That is insane, bro. What do they. What is the explanation for this?
- [157:11]
Shane Cashman
Sorry, if you can't hear what I'm saying. I couldn't even hear myself. This is the loudest sound you could possibly conceive. And as it turns out, the cleanest.
- [157:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
The cleanest. Wow.
- [157:31]
Shane Cashman
Now, the most amazing thing is that that cloud up there, which was generated by the engine, is just a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. It's water vapor. And in about an hour's time, someone in Mississippi is going to get wet. Washing. It will actually be rain. Yep.
- [157:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Wow.
- [157:48]
Shane Cashman
It's going to rain. Good stuff. We. But this is like. That's got to be a problem. Oh, look at this guy. He's getting fake rain on from the fake cloud. So happy. He's probably got three arms now and lost his eyesight. But, like, the things they're doing in the sky are so alarming. You know, like, Bill Gates wants to block out the sun with dust.
- [158:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, I saw that.
- [158:07]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Scopex. And so that seems like a fringe idea, and he keeps getting turned down, I guess, for funny. But they did Operation Sea Spray back in the day off the coast of San Francisco, where they're shooting biowarfare into the air over the city to see how it affects people, because they were like, how do we counter bioterrorism? Let's do bioterrorism. Get people sick, and then we'll figure it out. But now I think they're actually doing a sort of Scopex situation in San Francisco where the military is spraying, like, Dust in the air to reflect the sunlight back up.
- [158:39]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
I read about this. Yeah.
- [158:41]
Shane Cashman
Bill Gates got his dream.
- [158:43]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Jesus Christ, dude. I had somebody explain it to me the best way ever. They're explaining to me, like how, how technology, like how we're surrounded by screens all the time under artificial light and inside all day. It's like turning us. It's like. You've heard the stories of what happens to the orcas at Sea World when they live their lives. They spend decades inside these tanks.
- [159:05]
Shane Cashman
Oh, how horrible. They go crazy.
- [159:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, they go crazy and they kill the trainers. These like, that's basically what's happening to us. We're the, we're the orcas inside those tanks. And SeaWorld, we're not, we're not in the ocean anymore.
- [159:13]
Shane Cashman
Dude, I'm. I don't know if you're seeing it down here, but like I am experiencing a rise in mental illness in people I know, like from back home in New York or just on the road. Like it just seems people are more on the edge than they've ever been.
- [159:25]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [159:26]
Shane Cashman
And it has to do with all these things. Politics is driving people crazy.
- [159:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [159:30]
Shane Cashman
Cuz it's a disease. But yeah, like normal people, people like threatening my life. Like not just like, you know, like we do public things and you're kind of on in the news and sometimes people hear things you say they don't like and you send your death threat online. I got people in real life, like stalkers. I've got like.
- [159:45]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really?
- [159:45]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, dude. It's crazy and like, it's nuts. Like, I know I've known these people, you know?
- [159:50]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, like, like friends.
- [159:51]
Shane Cashman
People. Not I wouldn't say friends, but like people I've known. Yeah, more like associates, we'll say. Yeah, like people I've known. And it's just I'm watching people lose their. Their minds.
- [160:00]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [160:01]
Shane Cashman
I'm catching old friends in. In lies that we haven't seen in a long time. Like big lies. Like, like maybe they're not married lies. And they've been telling us for years we haven't seen them. Right. So we can get away with lies.
- [160:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [160:11]
Shane Cashman
And it's just, it's all happening at the same time, you know, and it's like all over the place.
- [160:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [160:15]
Shane Cashman
And then you're seeing like all these really crazy depraved crimes happening in the cities. Like people lighting themselves on fire. Saw the guy in New York. Who was the corpse?
- [160:23]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
No, I did not see that.
- [160:24]
Shane Cashman
I think the corpse. I think someone died. Died? I think someone then Robbed the corpse. And I believe another person went and that corpse.
- [160:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
What? When was this?
- [160:31]
Shane Cashman
Like a day or two, a few days ago. What? Look up corpse. That's a good name for band in Florida.
- [160:36]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it's a good name. That sounds like a title to a title track for Cannibal Corpse.
- [160:42]
Shane Cashman
Right.
- [160:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
NYPD search for a man accused of sexually violating a corpse in on a Manhattan subway.
- [160:47]
Shane Cashman
What is going on? What is going on? Yeah, it was Joe Biden.
- [160:53]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah, it was Hunter.
- [160:56]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. Dude, it's so crazy. And, like, look, this is stuff that's been going on for a long time, unfortunately. Like, you know, about Ed Gain and stuff and like, weird serial killer stuff, but this is like, like nonchalant daylight necrophilia. Why? So I don't know.
- [161:14]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It was on Fentanyl.
- [161:15]
Shane Cashman
Yeah. The rise in mental illness is going to be. It's crazy, you know, like, you see, like, Luigi Mangioni stuff now. I guess there was a copycat today that they didn't do anything, but I think they showed up to United Health headquarters looking to do the same thing.
- [161:29]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Really.
- [161:30]
Shane Cashman
And you see people calling for violence. I'm, like, very anti that. You know, I oppose a lot of these things, and I totally. I even understand Mangione's problem, allegedly, that he has with the system, because it sucks. I don't want to go kill people. Right. I don't want to do that. I don't. Like, the same way, like, the Unabomber might say things as manifesto that I really agree with with. I don't want. I don't want to, like, promote the violence. Yeah, but you're seeing a lot of people, like, prominent people, like, embrace the violence. And so that's going to turn into something way, way too dark, you know, I don't know where that goes, you know?
- [162:02]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [162:03]
Shane Cashman
Like, you know, everyone makes fun of Tim for talking about civil war and stuff.
- [162:06]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
They make fun of him for.
- [162:07]
Shane Cashman
Oh, because he. He says it, like, every episode. Oh, it's gonna be a civil war.
- [162:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, really?
- [162:11]
Shane Cashman
Oh, he's always looking. He's looking at, like, how society has been breaking down and politics has driven this divide between us and that people are. Are willing to do violence. We saw a lot of that during, like, the. The riots in 2020. We saw assassinations. We saw assassination attempts on. On presidents. And just look at Mexico. I think they assassinate. Assassinated 23 of their own. Presidential.
- [162:32]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. You know, people running for president.
- [162:34]
Shane Cashman
Dude, that's insane. And that's just right there, you know, so this willingness to violence is really picking up steam and you're seeing people like, like understand violence.
- [162:44]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
How does he think a civil war will play out in the U.S. i.
- [162:47]
Shane Cashman
Think his idea would be like, it's not going to be like everyone's. I think when he says it, people expect it to be like we're going to march towards each other. It's going to be like Grant Lincoln. I think he sees like pockets of violence across the country that will be ideological. Right. And it'll be, but, you know, whatever camps, the left versus right, like that's a vague descriptor these days because they're all fractured. But I think, I think it's like a willingness for political violence. And I also think it'll be, in my opinion, I don't think, I don't know if he thinks this, but like, in my opinion, a lot of it will be bolstered by the government. Right. Like, you think if, you know, Northwoods is possible, or at least they thought of it, then I will be skeptical of most things.
- [163:31]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Right? Yeah.
- [163:31]
Shane Cashman
And like, there was basically a civil war in Italy, you know, about the years of lead. So in Italy, I want to say this is like from the 60s to the 80s, there was just insane false flag operations against the opposing political sides. Right. And so it's like real things, real violence, bombs, shootings, kidnappings, people died. But a lot of it was done as false flags from like the opposing side, you know, to like what Northwoods would have done. Right. We're blow up our own people, shoot our own people to convince them that we have to go to war with Cuba. Right. And that was Lemon sir. Right. The guy who brought that idea to Kennedy. And Kennedy fired. Lemon Sir's next job was NATO. And a lot of people say NATO might have had a hand in the false flag operations during the years of lead in Italy, which are very similar to what he proposed with Northwoods. Wow. So, like, you know, I, I, I think a lot of things are possible knowing that if we're moving towards violence and the people in charge, I think it's beyond bipartisan. Like, it's not just like a right versus left thing. I think there's like a unit party, for lack of a better word, and they are deeply entrenched. And it's the bureaucratic state that's been there forever. Yeah, right. That has a lot of power. It's with these talking heads, these figureheads, they come and go. Yeah. You get voted in and out and then you get a book deal or a job at CNN or whatever or Newsmax. You Know, but like, like these people who are there for so long, they want that power, they want the power over us. They love the stuff like Palantir and Clear View and they totally have this idea, the idea of false flags at their disposal. So if we're moving towards some type of sustained violence in this country against one another, like a civil war, but in more fragmented, you know, pockets of the country, like the years of lead in Italy, it does, it does seem like it's possible. And I'm just basing that off what I saw during the 2020 summer riots, you know. Yeah, you're seeing cities burn, you're seeing politicians donate money to bail out arsonists like Kamala, you know, like she had people staff donating money to arsonists to get out of jail. And like in my opinion, I see a lot of this, is this violence is terrorism, domestic terrorism being born out of the universities because they're, they're like ideological death camps that produce like lot of mental illness. You know, it sucked being a part of that university, the college world for so long and you're totally powerless, like you can do your best. I want to just teach kids things like how to read, you know, how to write, have good skills. But then you're watching professors all around you being like Marxism. So, so like when I'm saying it's come out of the universities, I'm saying like this is the line I see in my mind from to war now as we see it, or like the, the pockets of real domestic terrorism during 2020, the Weather Underground, domestic terrorists, Marxists from like the 60s and 70s, they, I don't think they killed a lot of people, but they killed something. I think they killed themselves by accident. They were building bombs and stuff. They were Marxists, they believed in we should destroy this system. And a lot of them became fugitives and a lot of them went to jail. And then Bill Clinton, pardoned, went on his last day in office, straight up up domestic terrorist Susan Rosenberg. And then my old genocidal maniac, Governor Quo pardoned, whether underground person his last day in office and you'll see like a bunch of them were let out. And what do they end up doing? I forget that one guy's name who was pardoned early on with Clinton as well, Bill something. They all become professors, you know, and they all start to infiltrate the universities. Cuz that then goes in hand inand with what Yuri Benoff was saying about taking care, you know, the. How do you ideologically subvert this society?
- [167:11]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [167:11]
Shane Cashman
Oh, this country has Said, you need to go to college. We're going to take that over and totally destroy your brains now and turn you into soldiers for us. So I see a lot of the issues, a lot of the violence, a lot of people, the nihilism being born out of the universities, and then to connect that to the summer of what they call the summer of love, Act Blue was funneling a lot of that money to the organizations on the ground doing the protesting. Act Blue was part of Thousand Currents. Thousand Currents was on the board with Susan Rosenberg. So it's like a domestic terrorist who's been pardoned, working with laundering money to today's domestic terrorists. And they both had. And. And the. The blm. Those two women said they were. They were Marxists. So it's like a very clear line in my mind of domestic terrorism and war and against the American people, you know, So I don't know how you fight that, you know, because I. I don't want to censor those ideas. You know, that's. Some people would say, well, we'll just get rid of them. Exile them. Yeah, I don't think that's the way to do it, because evil will always come back.
- [168:12]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [168:12]
Shane Cashman
It's always going to pop back up. It's gonna have to teach, like, the kids how to have a better foundation and how to counter that in there as they grow up.
- [168:19]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yep.
- [168:20]
Shane Cashman
And hopefully not with the surveillance state, but that'll be there, too.
- [168:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [168:23]
Shane Cashman
Because there's no escaping it. But. Yeah. I don't know that that's, I guess, the way Tim would see it in terms of fragmented civil war. I guess I. I feel like we've been. The government's been at war with the American people for decades. I think we've been like an invisible war, like a war on a reality, a war on our brains. I think, like, the technocracy has probably already been in place, you know, in many ways. Like, people argued, like. Like, I think I said the FDR was kind of like. That was like a soft technocracy. But, like, you know, we started talking about JFK at the beginning of the episode. That's a very symbolic day that he died, obviously. Yeah, he died is a very symbolic day. Day. But it's interesting in my mind, like, symbolically, because two other people died that day who were also very opposed to the technological state. And that's Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World, who, although he was a eugenicist. A eugenicist. You know, Brave New World is kind of like a cautionary tale of this insane world. And C.S. lewis also died that day. Same day. And he wrote one of the greatest essays. Yeah, right. He wrote one of the greatest essays on the fears of this technological state called the. What is it? Willing Slaves of the Welfare State. Two writers I really look up to. But it was just very interesting, you know, that jfk, and, you know, I think he was taken out by the military industrial complex, whatever that is in your mind. So I think, like, there's been a war on the American people since definitely that day, outwardly, so, well, probably started. You can say. You go back to Woodrow Wilson and all this stuff and say it started then, too, for sure. But I think it accelerated that day, and it never stopped. And whatever's happening now is part of this, like, giant umbrella of war that our government's been waging against us forever. But I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic. I still.
- [170:10]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
We're gonna have to move to the Amazon.
- [170:11]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I might not be safe there either. Yeah, they're taking over everywhere. They're cutting down the trees. But no, I, I, I. Despite all the darkness in the world, I, I still have, like, hope for the future.
- [170:22]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [170:22]
Shane Cashman
You know, I have hope for the kids. And, you know, I don't think it's. It's inescapable, but it's just, you know, life moves on. No matter what.
- [170:30]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
It'll be.
- [170:31]
Shane Cashman
We'll be fine. You know, just. They just might read your thoughts. Right. So you just have to train yourself better at thinking.
- [170:37]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. Sleep tight, Shane Cashman. Thanks, brother.
- [170:41]
Shane Cashman
Thanks.
- [170:41]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
This was.
- [170:42]
Shane Cashman
Yeah.
- [170:42]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Fascinating conversation. Tell people where they can find your. Where they can read your work, your podcast, all that.
- [170:47]
Shane Cashman
Awesome, dude. It was a pleasure.
- [170:48]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah.
- [170:49]
Shane Cashman
Awesome to be in the studio. I've. I've watched so many shows.
- [170:51]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Yeah. This is. You're one of the last podcasts in the studio getting ready to move.
- [170:54]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, the new studio looks amazing.
- [170:56]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, yeah.
- [170:56]
Shane Cashman
Pictures are crazy. Yeah, that's awesome. But, yeah, dude, it's so awesome to be here and talk. I love it. You can find me online at Shane Cashman, all the, all the places. And the show is Inverted World Live. That's every Sunday at 6pm eastern time on YouTube and on Peter Teals Rumble. And. Yeah, and that's. That's about it. All my books are@shane catchman.com.
- [171:15]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, cool, man. I'll link it all below.
- [171:17]
Shane Cashman
Low. Sick.
- [171:17]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
All right, man. Good night, everybody.
- [171:19]
Shane Cashman
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- [171:21]
Unknown (possibly Tim Pool or a guest)
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- [171:26]
Shane Cashman
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