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A
You got accused of being a fed and now you look the part.
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B
Well, you know, if the suit. Suit fits, I guess. Wear it.
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A
The suit fits.
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B
I don't know, but I just can't believe I'm sitting here talking to you. I just saw you and Joe Rogan like two days ago. Dude, that blew my mind.
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A
Yeah, it blew my mind too, bro.
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B
So I just want to say I'm dying to know what the secret that Bob Lazar told off air is because he.
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A
Okay. The secret is Bob Lazar had a quantum anti gravity dildo in his ass.
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B
Oh, I was gonna say 51. I thought it was the element 115 under John Lear's driveway. No, you know, like that. That's what he said. It was buried under the driveway. Like. Like the. We can see. We have GPR that can see structures underneath the pyramids, but the government can't look underneath John Lear's driveway to find a trillion dollar, trillion dollar gram piece of stolen element 115.
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A
Well, Bob smuggled the element 115 out of S4 in his butt. That's. That's what happened. And he showed it to Rogan and he promised not to say anything to him.
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B
He didn't get rectal cancer from that, right?
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A
No, it actually. It actually made his ass 20 years younger. So he's. Now he has the ass of a. Of a 20 year old.
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B
My God.
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A
Yeah.
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B
A butt model.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Does his sphincter look like your sphincter?
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A
That was good. I like that.
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B
Oh, man. Yeah. We got a lot to catch up on, man.
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A
Yeah, we do, bro. We got a ton to catch up on. First, Epstein stuff, the UFO stuff. And you've been doing a crazy deep dive on 911 and how this 911 UFOs and Epstein are all connected.
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B
Well, yeah, and it's connected to a lot of other crazy stuff too. Like, I mean, basically Epstein's entire network comes right from Iran Contra. It comes right from when Carter shut down the CIA in the 70s and 76 for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, he shut down the CIA and basically a private CIA popped up to fill in the holes they called the Safari Club. And the Safari Club was named after this retreat where they all used to meet called the Safari Club. And it was owned by a guy named Adnan Khashoggi. Right. That name comes up quite a bit in the Epstein case, and it was one of Epstein's early clients. Those are the same network of people that Epstein was involved in and started out in at Bear Stearns, which is a Company that was owned by the Bronfman family and all that. And you dig into these families, they got rich during Prohibition and got a lot of money during Prohibition. And they also have their hands in a lot of history, a lot of hidden history when it comes to behind the scenes stuff. Not just Iran Contra, but the Bronfmans had an operator similar to Epstein was this kind of operator for these billionaire elite families back in the day. They had another guy named Jack Alston Crichton, who ran for the Governor of Texas in 1964 against Governor Connally in Texas, and also Bush. George H.W. bush ran for the Senate that same year in Texas. So both of those people, Jack Crrichton and George H.W. bush, it turns out, were deeply tied to the JFK assassination through the documents and the history that the researchers have pulled out of this. Jack Crichton was in the 488th Intelligence Squadron with George Lumpkin, who was a captain on the Dallas police force, driving the car in front of Kennedy that slowed down right in Dealey Plaza so that, you know, the, they could take the shots. They had an ambush there waiting for him. These, these were the, these were the, these were like the key people involved in the, in the assassination. I know everyone's talking about Joannidis and the whole counterintelligence operation out of a JM Wave and those connections, but you know, the Miami station that did the whole Bay of Pigs thing, tons of these Bay of Pigs operatives left Cuba very angry at Kennedy, swore, swore revenge on him. They blamed him for the failure of the Bay of Pigs.
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A
Yeah, I interviewed one of them.
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B
The staging operation, the platform for the Bay of Pigs was actually Zapata Oil, offshore oil platforms run by George H.W. bush. He owned these oil platforms. They use those as the station between Miami and Cuba to launch the Bay Pig's invasion from. So Bush was tied to this whole network of, you know, CIA anti Cuban cast, anti Castro Cubans, and then also the CIA in Dallas and a bunch of these oil men, you know, he's. Jack Crichton was business partners with D. Harold Bird, who owned the Schoolbook Depository Building where Lee Harvey Oswald was shot from. And then you have, you know, you have Ruth Payne involved. She's, she's connected to D. Harold Bird. She was friends with D. Harold Bird, introduced Oswald, got him the job at the School Book Depository Building. She was Oswald's landlady, basically. You know, she's still alive, by the way. And that's one of the reasons I, I think that the, the, a lot of the files haven't fully come out yet because people are still alive from the JFK assassination. She's like 94 now. But it's pretty crazy when you, when you dig into all the JFK assassination stuff that's come out in these files and the Luna hearings, a lot of the stuff is coming to light slowly. It took 60 years for this to get out. We don't want to have to wait 60 years to find out, you know, which elite politicians were abusing children.
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A
Well, I think it's, I think the JFK files are the same thing as. The same thing is going to happen with the Epstein files. I think they're just never going to admit this stuff and it's going to be like the way it is now. If you took a poll on every single American that paid. Pays attention to this stuff, a vast majority of people would say they know that the. Jeff. That the JFK was not. That Oswald was not the lone shooter.
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B
Right.
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A
Like, people know there's a conspiracy behind that, whether, whether they understand, like who was truly behind it and who specifically all worked as a part of it. I don't think people know that, but like people can see the forest for the trees, that this was something that was covered up by the US Government. And it's the same thing with Epstein and then. And the US Government's just like giving you, the US the middle finger, saying you, you're never gonna find the truth.
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B
No, they, we. You know, it's sad that we live in a country where our, the people inside the prisons do more to protect us from child abusers than, than our government because these people go to prison, they get, they get the crap kicked out of them by, by inmates. You know, like once they, once inmates find out that you're a child molester in jail, it's like, you're done. Yeah, you're done. Like, but the government, it's like, no, we're going to protect these people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That's just messed up, man. It's like, yeah. I just, I just don't.
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A
Tim Dillis, Tim Dillon really said it best about America. He said America has become. When you're going to vote for the president, it's just pick your, your favorite file, pick the file you agree with because all these people are compromised. It's almost a prerequisite to have some sort of blackmail on you to be a leader of the free world or to have high position in government or intelligence or anything.
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B
That's so crazy how they told us we're getting the files. They got people to vote. A lot of people voted for Trump because that. They wanted this all to come out. You know, all a lot of stuff, right?
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A
That's what he ran on. He literally ran on.
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B
On.
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A
Releasing the Epstein files was one of the major things that he ran on. And now he's saying, are we still talking about these Epstein files? Come on.
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B
Oh, this is the weird thing, right? In those press conferences, the interview, he's standing next to his department head of the Department of Commerce, which a lot of people are like, who's this guy? I've never seen this guy before or heard of him before. And I remembered who he was, and I was like, oh, this is Howard Lutnick. Howard Lutnick was the CEO of.
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A
When was this?
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B
In the press conference where Trump basically takes questions about Epstein and calls his base stupid for being interested in the Epstein files. He's sitting directly next to.
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A
Is this the one with Pam Bondi?
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B
No, this is not. There's one in the White House conference room, and then there's another one.
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A
Did you find the one where he's talking about Steve? So we can see that. See Howard Lucknick sitting next to him.
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B
Howard Lutnick sitting right next to him, man. So I was amazed. I said, why is Howard Lutnick covering up for this? And you find out. Yeah, yeah, this is one of them. I'm not. I know that maybe you could find the clip while we talk about this for a second. But he's sitting next. This is the. This is the clip where Trump calls his base stupid. You know, basically, I haven't seen this one yet. He insults his base. So like he says, everyone. Oh, people. The people who are interested in this are stupid. And basically calling people silly. Oh, this. It's old news. Let's not worry about this. This is. It's nonsense. But he's sitting next to Howard Lutnick. And I'm saying, how is Howard Lutnick covering up for all this? And then people have pointed out that, well, Howard Lutnick bought the house right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, that Epstein was running his whole New York operation out of 971st Street. Well, the house next door to it, 1171st street, was also owned in part through this Comet Trust is what actually owned the.
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A
Leslie Wexner gave that house to Jeffrey Epstein, right?
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B
I believe so. I believe he gave the house to him, or it gave it to him through a series of trusts, but he had this in the background. And then the. Then a trust called the Comet Trust sold it to Howard Lutnick and I'm the Comet Trust. I never heard of that before. But if you search for anything related to Comet and Jeffrey Epstein, you get the, the. All that QAnon disinfo garbage about ping pong pizza and Comet pizza in the Pizzagate crap, which I think was a. I think that was a counterintelligence op that was put out right after the Epstein stuff.
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A
To think it was a distraction.
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B
A lot of the Q went on was. It was a limited.
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A
Here's the video.
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B
Yeah, yeah. So he's hit it.
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A
I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular have been so interested in the Epstein story, so upset about.
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B
How it's been handled? I don't understand why they would be so interested. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't.
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A
And the credible information's been given. Don't forget we went through years of.
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B
The Mueller witch hunt and all of the different things. The Steele dossier, which was all fake, all that information was fake.
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A
But I don't understand why the Jeffrey.
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B
Epstein case would be of interest to anybody.
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A
It's pretty boring stuff.
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B
It's sorted, but it's boring.
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A
And I don't understand why it keeps going.
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B
I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like, like that going.
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A
But credible information, let them give it.
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B
Anything that's credible, I would say let them have it.
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A
So here's the thing, here's the thing. We know what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. We know he was an access agent for the Mossad, right? That's pretty obvious. That's pretty obvious with, with Robert Maxwell, his whole background and how he was recruited by Mossad when he was part of British intelligence and, and his daughter being hooked up with him and, and ahud. Barack visiting his house every day of the week, being likely being his handler. Here's the thing. If Jeffrey Epstein was an access agent to the Mossad and he was gathering intelligence and keeping blackmail on all these powerful people around the world, right? If Donald Trump, if people like Donald Trump and Bill Clinton are on those hard drives that were connected to all the cameras that were in every single one of his houses all around the.
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B
World.
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A
They'Re not going to let anyone else have that. That's a nuclear bomb. If you let anyone else get their hands on that blackmail, the ch. The risk of someone else using it before you can completely ruins the Value of it. Right. If you let somebody else get their hands on that blackmail, say, just say, for example, just hypothetically, if there's footage of Trump and a young and an underage girl. Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you let anyone else see it. They could. Anyone else can use that, rendering it useless for you. So now you've spent all this time with Jeffrey Epstein, all this time, all this money on this guy. Right. You've had so much investment in Jeffrey Epstein to do all this work and get all this blackmail and all these powerful people around the world. You can't let anyone else get their hands on that ever. There has to be.
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B
He's got it now. It was on Pam Bondi's.
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A
It's on a hard drive. No, it was never. I don't think it was ever. I think it's on a hard drive sitting in Tel Aviv right now. I don't think Pam Bondi or any of those people have ever seen any of that shit.
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B
Why do you think Cash Patel did a 180? He went from, we're going to. I'm going to shut down the FBI and make it a shrine to the deep state to, you know, being basically, you know, a cow. A cow.
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A
It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, he sat on. He sat right in front of Rogan on his podcast saying, there's nothing. As soon as I see it, you'll see it like.
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B
Right, okay, well, I thought it was. There's a lot of suspicious stuff going on there.
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A
She said it was child, they said. She said that she had like tons of. No, no, I'm sorry. She didn't even say it was. Did you say what shot?
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B
She just said she found dusting. It was all. It was like Internet, all videos of Jeffrey Epstein himself with. With these people. There was no clients. No.
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A
He was a lone trafficker.
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B
Yeah. Trafficking to no one. And that's why Ghislaine. Ghislaine's in prison now. And. Yeah, this is all, this is all bullshit. And, and the fact that Howard Lutnick, the guy who. The CEO who's. Who suffered the biggest losses on 9 11. I mean CEO of Cancer Fitzger, he lost 658 employees that day. He lost his brother, Gary Lutnick, that day. And he said he cried for three years after that and couldn't get himself back together. And I felt really bad for the guy. I didn't consider him on my list of suspicious people because of all that. But the fact that he's with Trump defending the release of these Epstein files when he bought the house next door to Epstein, lived in that house next door to Epstein on 11. It's interesting. 9 and 11.
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A
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B
71St street in New York City where the addresses that, that Jeffrey Epstein own.
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A
You can't be connecting those dots.
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B
No, no, I. Well, there's some weird dots here. There's some weird dots here because you're saying.
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A
Because it was 971st street and 1171st street is 911.
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B
Yeah, that's. That's a crap connection. But some people have made that connection. But I'm sure they. But how about. Yeah, because it's only odd numbers on that side of the street. So it's just nine the house next door.
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A
Right.
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B
So maybe it's coincidence. Right? It seems like one of those things. Right. But here's the interesting thing, is that Howard Lutnick, you know, if you're going to commit a massive crime and a financial crime, the best thing you could possibly do is to disguise yourself as a victim and to portray yourself as a victim. So I'm saying there's a lot of weird CEOs that miss work that day, not just Howard Luttin.
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A
Oh, yeah, it's fun.
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B
Larry Silverstein. And then you ask Grok these questions, like you ask the AIs these questions. You'll say, which CEOs missed work on 9 11? They'll tell you Larry Silverstein and Howard Lutnick, but they won't tell you any of the other ones. And they'll, you know, you ask IT questions and it won't tell you the answers. It's kind of like the same thing as if you ask, does vaccines cause autism?
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A
Right.
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It will give you these, you know, responses that are, you know, according to the books, these authorities. And there's no but. But if you ask it specific questions tailored to certain things and certain studies and you know, the information or, you know, the people, suddenly you get real answers from the AI, which is. Means somebody's programming these AIs to hide certain information.
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A
Of course they are.
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B
You know, and. And I thought that was really weird because I'm asking IT questions about, you know, well, was Gary. Gary Lutnick ever connected to Jeffrey Epstein? And it said, oh, he couldn't possibly have had any connections to Gary Jeffrey Epstein because Howard Lutnick brought the property from Je. Jeffrey Epstein after his brother died. And I said, no, he didn't. He bought the property in 1998. His brother died in 2001.
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A
How did you find that out?
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B
And how did I find that out.
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A
That he bought it from him in 1998?
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You ask Grok. If you ask Grok when he bought it from it, it will tell you 1998.
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A
So it tells you the truth.
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And then when you re. Query it and you tell it, it'll say, oh, I corrected myself, you know, but for some reason, it's trying to, like, separate these people and these entities, which is. Is really strange. And it won't tell you other CEOs that miss work in the towers that day, like Paul Bremer of Marsha McLennan or Jeffrey Greenberg of Marsha McLean or.
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A
Well, here's the thing. It's Google. Have you heard of this guy named Robert Epstein? He does.
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B
Robert Epstein.
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A
Robert Epstein. He. Epstein Epstein. He calls himself Epstein. But he. He does all this stuff where he, like, points out all the bias with Google and how Google is curated for certain things and how. He basically pointed out largely how Google suppressed and amplified certain stories like during the late, the last few elections. Right. Like if you were to Google anything about, if you were to try to get a positive story about Trump, you couldn't find anything on Google. Right. But if you tried to find it and if you try to find a negative story about Kamala, it would only get positive stories when you looked for it. And this guy found it out and he, he, he installed like software on. He, he started a trial where he got hundreds of people to be, to agree to be involved in this trial where he basically was monitoring their search engine and, and they were all searching stuff and he was trying to gather data on what kind of results they were getting on certain searches. And obviously it's different for everybody because everyone's got a different algorithm. But by and large he found, and he, he measured this all and broke it all down that like the bias towards the left wing news was far greater than towards the right hand stuff during, especially leading up to the elections. And you know this is, I'm sure it's not just in like elections and stuff like this. It's throughout politics and with everything they bury stuff on Google. Like we know that, that Google curates stuff, you know, you know by just be on YouTube you see shadow banned all the time. So if these things, if these LLMs are running their queries on Google, you're flawed from the get go.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Well it's, it's also, it's also crazy the amount of programming stuff that comes up in the whole history of Jeffrey Epstein too as I was talking about with the in Slaw affair and the Promise software. Robert Maxwell was part of the team that stole that promise software from the developers who made it.
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A
Really?
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B
And they, he, he'd sold a backdoor cop. Yeah, well the guy who stole it was Ben Orr who was later identified as this top Israel spy, Rafi Itan or something. And then Jeffrey Robert Maxwell took, sold a hacked version of the promised software to Los Alamos Labs and Sandia Labs and they had to put a back door inside the software so they could get into the labs and stuff. And that's how basically Israel stole all our nuclear secrets.
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A
I thought we started selling promise to a whole bunch of other countries and we put a backdoor into it so we could get into those.
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B
They did too. Yes. This was all like, it was all spy work that they did with this stuff. And then they had, I heard about other software. This Silver Stream company, a guy named Richard Andrew Grove was working for them and they were developing this financial, new financial trading platform that a bunch of Fortune 500 companies in the World Trade center had just started using before 9 11. And he had found a backdoor in the software and reported it to his superiors. They told him, don't worry about it, oh, it's nothing, you know, it's no big deal. And he kept drawing, bringing it up and bringing it up and they finally said, you know what, we want you to take all your evidence of this and stuff and we want you to come and bring it to a meeting on the 98th floor of the World Trade center on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. And he was actually late going to the meeting and saw the planes hit the towers and didn't go into the meeting, but they had basically told him to take all his evidence for this back door in the software and bring it to the 98th floor of the World Trade center where someone knew the plane was going to hit. So there's some weird. 911 is the weirdest day in American history. When you look at Howard Lutnick's behavior that he's living in this house next door to Jeffrey Epstein, his working in Cantor Fitzgerald, most of the people that died, he suffered the biggest financial losses in the World Trade center on 9 11.
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A
Again, if we ask Grok right now about Howard Lutnick's house next door to Jeffrey Epstein, will it tell us about it?
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B
What? This is the weird thing, right? Because I've gone through this in my head because obviously Jeffrey Epstein of all of his houses had hidden cameras and microphones like all throughout them, right? So if he's selling the house next door to Howard Lutnick, what's the chances that things not wired up to record him and spy on him?
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Right?
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B
It's kind of, it just makes, it makes, you know, it's less than zero, right? So obviously Howard Lutnick buys his house in 98, lives there for two, three years until 9 11. What did they collect on Howard Lutnick? Did they blackmail him? And then why would he protect these people if he was blackmailed? I don't get the whole dynamics here. And it just makes me very suspicious of him involved in something much deeper because of all the other CEOs that Ms. Worked that day. I was getting into the whole list and I want to name them all and talk about who these people are and their connections. There's a lot of interesting stuff when you dig into.
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Look at this. Yes, Howard Lutnick was neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein in Manhattan. Lutnick purchased a townhouse at 11 East 71st street in 1998, which was adjacent to Epstein's property at 9 East 71st Street. 1998, known as the Herbert and Strauss.
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B
Yeah, this house.
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A
Real estate records indicate that Epstein had significant ties to the property Lutnick acquired, including being listed as a trustee in transactions involving the property between Lutnick's purchase. Wow, bro.
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B
And now Lutnik's the head of the Commerce Department for the Bush, the Trump administration. Sorry, but that, but it's interesting that the Commerce Department also helped to cover up 911 after the fact because the Commerce Department owns the National Institute of Standards and Technology, nist, which wrote all the reports saying, you know, the fire, the fires brought the buildings down and that they couldn't possibly have been pre planted explosives or demolition devices or anything like that, which numerous physicists and engineers have. You know, there's architects and engineers, 911 truth. There's a whole ton of people that have examined these buildings. There was a, there was a million dollar study by the University of Alaska Fairbanks that published a, you know, a comprehensive 147 page study and analyzing the collapse of just World Trade Center Building 7, which is that third tower that nobody on the mainstream media will talk about and we only know about because of alternative news media and everything. And all these people are super connected. That's the Solomon Brothers building. Solomon Brothers is Solomon Smith Barney, which went through that whole big merger and became Citicorp Citigroup. So basically Citicorp, that whole thing, that was the major tenant inside that building. And who worked for Citigroup? Who worked for Solomon Smith Barney? Yeah, Solomon Smith Barney merged into Citigroup in a very large merger. But who worked for Solomon Smith Barney in World trade Center Building 7? But none other than Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. You can look up Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld's resume. They both sat on the Foreign Policy Advisory Board for Solomon Smith Barney bank, which was in World Trade Center 7. It was the largest tenant and they quit right before joining the Bush administration. And then who's running security in the buildings? Well, the security of course was run by the Port Authority of New York, New Jersey and a guy named Alan Reese, who's got some interesting connections himself. But the security systems themselves were designed and the electronics and all the badging and all that stuff, all the camera systems and all the badging, all the electronic stuff was designed and installed by a company called Securicom Strata Sec, which was actually a subsidiary of a company called Kuwaiti American Corporation. And these guys, George H.W. bush's I mean, George Bush's brother, Marvin Bush sat on the board of directors for that company which ran security at the trade centers. And then the CEO and COO of that company are guys named Wirt Dexter Walker iii. He's now a private equity banker in Reston, Virginia, right next to the head CIA headquarters. And the vice president of that security company in the World Trade center now works for saic. He's a vice president at SAIC Leidos Corporation, which makes all of the airport scanners in our airports that I had to go through. You have to go through those big people scanners and get genitals.
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Oh, I don't go through those. I go through the old school ones. I don't go through the fucking cancer tubes.
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It's all terahertz radiation, shortwave radiation that can look through your clothes and stuff. And all that technology was developed by SAIC contractors in the 80s and 90s and they were dying to find a way to market on it. And then now they have a way to make billions off it. Because every airport's required to have these scanners now post 9, 11. So you look into the people involved in the World Trade center and how greatly they benefited. They, they all made tons of money. Larry Silverstein took out these massive insurance policies. Good friends of Howard Lutnick.
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He took out these massive insurance policies, insured the building specifically against terrorist attacks. Then 911 happens just a couple months later.
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How far, how long before 911 did he take out those policies?
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Just a few months.
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A few months.
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Literally like four or five. Four months before. And they specifically targeted against terrorist attacks now.
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And also another thing is. Sorry, I don't want to. I don't mean to derail you, but the. All of the stocks that were sold on American Airlines.
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Yeah.
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Literally a week before 9 11.
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Right. A bunch of put options.
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Put options by American politicians. Right.
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Yeah. They were connected to the A.B. brown. I think it was the stock of the firm. A.B. brown was the firm. And they're connected with Buzzy Krongard.
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Oh yeah, Krongaard.
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He.
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He is everywhere. Every conspiracy has him at the footnotes.
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Yeah. And also we're Dexter Walker the third that the investment banker I said that, you know, has. The only thing he does in his life is run CIA front companies. Glor forgot. You look at his whole history. It's literally he just, he's, he's managing guy. He's a business plant guy for, for CIA front companies and he runs a company called Igerhawk Private Investments in Reston, Virginia right now. And yeah, these guys were never investigated, have never been interviewed. In fact, there's no pictures of Wirt Walker anywhere on the Internet. And he's a cousin of. And you know what he. Walker family. He's actually a cousin of the bush family. George H.W. bush spoke at Lafayette College the year he graduated, which I think was 79. I'm not sure. But. But yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty small family. It's, it's just the Bush. A lot of the Bush family, a lot of the Bush clan keep, keep coming up in these conspiracies too. It seems there's, there's a lot of connections to them, his whole family. The Walker line comes from this guy, you know, George, George Herbert Walker and all that side of his family. Right. So these guys came from a Russell and Company, a guy named Walter, not Walter Russell, but Russell and Company was basically. They were the, the guys that started The Opium War. They were, they were, they were smuggling all the opium and, and they were like the biggest opium and heroin smugglers in the United States back in the, back in the day. So these guys are doing our drug dealers like. And that's not in lot, not outside the scope of 9 11. When we went into Afghanistan and reclaimed all those poppy fields, the Taliban had slashed and burned all the poppy fields and brought the production to the lowest levels ever. And we went over there, invaded, and it went right back up. And all that drug money is untraceable funds, it's illegal funds. So it's real good money for the CIA to be able to fund all these black programs and projects with. Because it's untrue, untraceable, which is like.
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The sim similar to what we did with Iran Contra, except it was with weapons, illegally selling them through Israel to Iran and then taking that money to fund. The. Fund the Contras.
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Right, right. And the whole Iran thing, that was just a, a thing to get Carter out to. So, so that Carter wouldn't win the election.
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Oh yeah. October Surprise. Can you explain that?
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Yeah, so they had these hostages in Iran and they were going to release them during Carter's administration, but we purposely stepped in and sent these arms deal and did this whole backdoor. They wouldn't release the hostages until after the election because if, if Carter had released him, it would help boost his approval rating. Right.
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So yeah, the, the, the Epstein stuff, like, like every, all of this stuff is connected in a weird way. It's like, it's like the Octopus. I don't know if you've seen that documentary, the Octopus Murder with Danny Casalero and he's like uncovering this stuff through the Promise software. And basically it's like it all connects to Epstein and Epstein was likely just a cog in this giant wheel of criminal underworld espionage and organized crime and intelligence.
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Yeah, yeah, but it goes so much deeper because, you know, I was back to, back to my point about, you know, Larry Silverstein in the World Trade Center. He brings, he takes out this insurance policy. Well, who wrote the insurance policy for that? You know, it was a company called AIG, which has a huge history with the CIA. They, they basically were the CIA's main guys in, in China because the insurance people in China have all the good intelligence. Because if you have infrastructure, you have anything worth money, you have to insure it if it's, you know, if it's. And so if anything worth anything is insured, the insurance companies have, you know, the goods on a lot of. A lot of stuff. So of course they were the number one choice for the intelligence agencies to, you know, they knew which factories to bomb. They knew which, you know, they knew they knew everywhere. They knew everywhere to bomb during if they. With the intelligence that they would get through insurance policies. So a guy named Cornelius Vanderstar, you can look, look him up. He's the guy that founded aig and he, he was definitely a CIA and Cornelius what? Cornelius Van Der Star.
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Vander Starr.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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And. But AIG was run on 911 by a guy named Maurice Greenberg, and Maurice Greenberg's son, Jeffrey Greenberg was the CEO of Marsha McLennan, which was right in the impact zone of the, the north, the south tower, I believe. North tower was Cantor Fitzgerald. Right. So L. Paul Bremer is also working for Marsha McLennan. He's also. L, Paul Berman is also the head of this National Commission on Terrorism at Harvard. And he's basically this guy that's writing a lot of the literature and the scope on terrorism. This, you know, warning people that, you know, this threat of terrorism is going to be the new thing once, you know, it's basically the Cold War was, you know, the idea of the communists in the Cold War was, you know, running out of its, out of time. And they needed a new Soviet Union fell. Yeah, they need a new threat after the Soviet Union. A lot of these guys were hired to, you know, what, how do we get money now? And what kind of threats can, you know, come up with and create around the world to generate more wars for profit for our, you know, businesses and stuff like that? And two of the guys that they hired for that were a guy named Brian Michael Jenkins and L. Paul Bremer. And Brian Michael Jenkins ends up working with Kroll Associates to design the whole World Trade center security system alongside, you know, these other guys. When you really dig into all these companies and you're like, wow, who is head of Kroll Associates? Well, this guy, Jerome. Jerome Howard, who becomes the director of the National Institute for Health in time for the anthrax attacks, which targeted all these senators that were asking questions about 911 and demanding an official investigation. They all got sent anthrax. And then.
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Yeah, can you explain that, to break that down a little bit? A little so people can understand that? Because that's, that's really interesting.
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If they want a real solid, thorough breakdown, look up a documentary called American Anthrax by Robbie Martin, who's Abby Martin's brother.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. He did a documentary on it with a roots.
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So there were. There was a small number of actual sitting senators that were questioning 9 11.
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Yeah. Tom Dashiell.
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It was only those guys who got anthrax sent to them.
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Yep.
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And they later found out that the anthrax was created by the FBI or.
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Sent from like an FBI A U. S. Bioweapons lab. And it was. It was basically these. It was an inside job to cut to get people to not investigate 911 and not open inquiries before they could. Could destroy enough of the evidence.
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What was Abby Martin's brother's name?
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Robbie Martin.
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Robbie Martin.
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Yeah. I've interviewed him before a while back, but it's been a while. You should definitely talk get. Try to get him on the show and talk about more about that because he, he goes into real. He knows all the details. It was like Sean Hatfield was blamed and it was Stephen Hatfield was the guy that was like blamed, but it was really some other guy or something. I. I don't know all the details, but it's been a while. It's been a while. So. But back to the people who worked in the World Trade Center. All the CEOs that missed work or all the companies that moved around because there was this whole Zim shipping company that was in the World Trade center and they moved out of the World Trade center just before then. And then you have in the Pentagon even this corporation called Amec Corporation, which is this guy Peter Jansen who owned Amec was good friends with Donald Rumsfeld. They had a $258 million contract to refurbish the entire west wing of the Pentagon right before, before 9 11. The months before 9 11, they were moving offices all out of that wing, moving people all around. And it was lucky for the. Lucky for us that the terrorists hit that wing that was just being remodeled because there was a lot of construction going on there. So not a lot of people were in their offices. Only like 212 people died at the Pentagon in, in the attack. When normally that office that large of a section of Pentagon, it would have been like thousands of people normally in. In. In that. That area.
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So also people claim it was a missile. People don't think it was an actual. Jeff, the footage is weird. And the FBI confiscated the footage. Right.
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But there's pictures of Donald Rumsfeld picking up pieces of what is clearly an American Airlines jet and getting pieces off the lawn, which is, you know, that I don't agree with all the theories. Again, we're separating conspiracy theory from fact because there's been too much theories that have gotten in the way of all this.
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So all the stuff that you're talking about is not speculation.
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No, it's not speculation. It's all you can verify. And look, look this stuff up. It's all factual.
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Got it.
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It's like basically a crime scene proximity investigation is saying this should be treated as a crime scene. Who was close by, who was involved and who, who's got the closest proximity to this crime scene. And one of the people with the closest proxim crime scene was Howard Lutnick who's now covering up the Epstein files right next to Trump. And it just makes me feel like the Epstein files have to connect to 911 or something. You know, you say that these people sleeping with, you know, underage girls and that that's going to be. I don't think that that is inflammatory enough, Danny. I think that, that they can release all that. They can release all that and people aren't going to be like if they release. If we come out and it shows that Jeffrey Epstein worked with this network to compromise CEOs in the world Trade center and set them up to be part of a 911 conspiracy, then people are like, oh, the government, they'll never trust the government again ever if they. The911.911 is so much bigger than this Jeffrey Epstein case. It is so files. Yes. This is, this is mass murder.
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I mean thousands of people dying. I mean it's hard, it's hard to play the game of what's. What's worse with those two things because they're both insanely evil things. But people that have it's difference because you have like, with the 911 stuff you have like you're going down like everyone goes down with the ship at once.
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Yeah.
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With the Epstein stuff, specific people can go down by themselves like Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or whoever else is on there. Right. And people like Donald Trump are going to do anything they can and use every last penny at their disposal to try to escape it and try to get out from under it. So.
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Well, yeah, anyone who's stuck in, in that sort of position, I think both.
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Of them, them would cause a re. Revolution in the country. I think, I think, I think if the, if we found out that, that all these people that are running the government, all the, you know, if a handful of ex presidents and people in intelligence or CEOs, I don't think CEOs would do it. But I think like if Trump and Clinton and a lot of people came out and it was proven that they were and that they were doing this kind of. I think that could potentially cause an uprising. And I think 100%, if it came out unequivocally hard evidence that 911 was an inside job, the same thing would happen.
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Right. That's one why it's so incendiary that they. They don't allow you to even talk about it.
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And what was the quote who said? I think Mark Epstein said this on a multiple interviews. He said that when he was talking to Jeffrey Epstein leading up to the 2016 election between Hillary and Trump, he said that his brother Jeffrey Epstein told him if they knew what he knew, they would cancel the whole election.
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You know, and it's crazy because that election, it's like Jeffrey Epstein got arrested and, and all that stuff came out in 2019. And it's almost like the people involved, like Bill Gates, who are on that list, and was meeting with Jeffrey Epstein even after he was arrested and convicted, still going into his house and still meeting with him and stuff, many, many times is, you know, it's so crazy that they literally shut the world down with COVID They. They released a bioweapon on the. And. And shut the entire.
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Yeah.
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You know, locked everybody down. And it was right when the Epstein stuff was coming out. And. And.
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Yeah. No. Do you. Then this is something that I've been thinking about. Do you think it's possible that with all the COVID passport stuff, all this, all this new stuff that's going on with Doge and real ID and the genius act passing with the stable coins, it seems like there's all these little elements of control of the population that are coming together and then Palantir coming in and trying to consolidate all this information on everybody. If you were the government and you knew that some of these secrets could potentially come out in the, in the near future.
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Yeah.
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Whether it be Epstein 911 or even like UFO disclosure. Right. That they know that UFOs are real aliens, are here controlling the world. The, the real possibility of like an uprising in the country happening if that kind of stuff comes out, is I think it's a high degree of probability that that could happen. So before that, why not lock down total control on the population first?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they know that. They know it's coming. I mean, with the Internet. And they've really tried to crack down with the algorithm to prevent the spread of information. I've noticed the algorithmic shadow banning. I've noticed the prevalence of these bots, these bot armies. Seems to be a lot of these influencer bots and stuff that are around certain subjects and stuff. And then they've really tried to corral people away from this information and take the people spreading it and really silence us. I've been, you know, talking about this stuff for 20 years now, and I feel like now finally that people are interested in the Epstein files. Maybe we can get them to look into 9 11. A couple people have, you know, started asking, you know, a lot of questions about a lot of stuff after Covid. And I think that's a. That's a great thing. We're starting to wake up. But they've just dumped. They've doubled down on the disinformation, pumping up the disinformation, and then also the creation of these limited hangout operations. You know, like the whole thing you had that. You were just on Joe Rogan, man, talking about Bob Lazar and that whole thing. And that was what we talked about the entire last time I came on your podcast was Lazar and all that. And I really feel like they locked down the conversation on that stuff too, because they came out with that group. TTSA came out and it was all these CIA guys with all the CIA background. They're like, we're gonna build you a spacesh, invest in our company, give us Money. And Tom DeLong, you know, the Blink 182 guy there, saying, you know, being the ringleader, getting everyone to invest all this money into his company and promising them a spaceship. And, and they've delivered.
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Wait, what do you mean promising them a spaceship?
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He promised a spaceship. He had showed it in the very first thing in TTSA when they, when they launched, they said, you know, we have this technology. You can invest in this company. You'll be part of the, you know, the, the. The. The team that's going to bring us to the stars with this technology. They promised to basically take all the classified UFO technology and release it. And they raised tons of money. Yeah, they raised millions. And they instead gave us an entertainment company. And he made a bunch of books, he. And. And including. Yeah, it's. And I think now they're selling. I don't know what they're doing now, but you can go to TTSA and see that. Mostly T shirts and stuff now, but their big guy was Lou Elizondo, and then Lou Elizondo branch. And he came out, they promoted him as like, this was the guy. He ran the Pentagon's UFO program, you know, and you look into Elizondo's background and it's like, this guy didn't run the program, bro. This guy was a torture czar. Guantanamo Bay, for Christ's sake. He ran the RDI program. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed accused the guy of being the person responsible for torturing his son in front of him. He basically electrocuted Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's son's testicles in front of him until he admitted to doing 9 11.
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Really?
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That's what they did.
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Elizondo himself.
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Elizondo himself.
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This came out in like an interview or something with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
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It's in all the notes, it's in his files. There's all these guys, all these people that they accused of 9 11.
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He denies all this.
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And all the people that. I don't know if he denied. I don't know. Has anyone ever asked, ever really been asked about it? But you go and look into it. He ran the RDI program. He's named by a bunch of these guys as being the person who. The person responsible for doing this. So he basically helped the CIA cover up 911 by torturing the people that supposedly did it. You know, basically someone tortured your son in front of you like that, you'd probably admit to doing anything. You know, I'd say anything they wanted to get them to stop.
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Right.
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It just. And so that's the background Elizondo has. And he's a counterintelligence guy. Why would he be head of the UFO program at the Pentagon?
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I don't understand that. I don't understand any of that stuff.
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B
No. And he wasn't. It was all a front to basically co opt and take control of the narrative.
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A
And why is he also a part of all these UFO online Twitter groups? And, and, oh, he's.
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He's harassing people.
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Fake accounts and stuff.
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He's paying off. There's a bunch of fake accounts and they're paying off other influencers to, to go after the people that call Elizondo out. And.
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A
Right.
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You know, there was this whole thing, like people are starting to question him and stuff and, and, and getting called out. And there was this, you know, you can talk to Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra on X all about it. They hold spaces about it and they have tons of stuff saved. They created this whole archive of all the harassment that was taking place, where they basically created a limited hangout operation and said that this is ufology and anyone outside of this is not someone you should listen to or pay attention to. And they shut out all the outside groups and stuff. And then you look at who is Elizondo's good friend who was meeting with him and buddy buddy with him all this time. Well, Jeremy Corbel, the guy that went on Joe Rogan's podcast like six times and told Joe Rogan not to have me on and not to talk to me like he told all he. I know that because I have emails from Jeremy Corbell to lots of other people, other people that I, I've tried to interview in connection to the Bob Lazar case that he's written emails to physically telling them not to talk to me, not to into ghost me.
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A
Really?
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Yes, I do. He, I, I have them. They're from his, they're authentic. They're from his email address, and they are real deal.
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A
And, and he, he copied you on him.
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No, the people who he sent them to sent them to me for them. To you, so that I could see what he was and know what he was up to. And, and why do you think he did that? Because I, I, I'm, I'm ruining his grift. His grift is this Bob Lazar thing, and he, he's got all this popularity and, and fame in the UFO field right now, and he's doing better than he ever did.
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It's just ego.
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Jeremy Corbell was selling Quantum Jiu Jitsu videos in California, and he was sprinkling blood on pictures of Sharon Tate and selling it as art. Okay. He had an art studio in California where he literally just sprinkled blood on pictures of Sharon Tate and sold it his art. This is. He was trying to make, figure out a niche and make a living somewhere. And then he found UFOs, and he was like, jackpot. Yeah. This guy is a nobody.
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A
He jujitsu stuff is funny. I saw the videos of that. I don't know.
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He's not like. And it's funny because, you know, they have him on tmz and, and they brought in these fake podcasters who I've never heard of. This, this girl, Kelly Chase of The Rabbit Hole UFO podcast is on TMZ, being like, Jeremy Corbell's been into UFOs for a really long time, and he. No, he has.
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A
Is this the girl that just called.
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Me a girl that caught just recently? Yeah, she just recently said, you're like a, you a useful idiot.
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A
Well, that's probably true.
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B
Honestly, intelligence asset.
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A
Well, hey, it could be. I'm sure I've had a lot.
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I'm sure, I'm sure I've been a useful idiot at one point or another, too. I, I know, don't, we don't get everything right all the time. And I know for a fact that intelligence agency have like tried to infiltrate my work and my show and my groups. Everything we've done so that because we've, we've run the propulsion conference, we, we got all the scientists together who actually worked on this stuff and interviewed them and brought these groups together and stuff. So, so we've done a lot of.
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A
And you actually had the FBI raid you, right?
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B
We had the FBI come to our lab at Falcon Space down in New Jersey. Yeah, Mark's lab got raided.
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A
What happened with all of that? What was that? How did that happen?
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I believe it was due to a guy who was working with us at the time who we brought into the group. I'm not going to say his name or anything. He's a weird character. Apparently he went back to New Mexico and went out with these, this Indian tribe and told them all about the UFO disclosure and stuff. And they, they, they said he's part of some sacred, sacred. He's with the Hopi Indian tribe down in, in New Mexico now. And they think he's like some kind of savior according to their prophecy. And, and he's like big, he's like the big, big shot in their tribe right now. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of because of the UFO disclosure stuff. Wow. But he was in our lab and we had, I, I don't know, I think he might have like heard some information wrong about something and reported. But they were looking, they, according to the FBI, they were at our lab looking for a report of web of that we were building weapons grade uranium and they went, they went around with a Geiger counter to see if we had, you know, hot.
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A
So you think you got like swatted or something?
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B
Yeah, almost. Almost. It was really, really strange. I, that's pretty crazy.
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A
But the FBI showing up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
To look for weapons grade Uranus. I mean.
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B
Yeah. At our anti gravity lab that we're trying to replicate all these old, you know, we tried to replicate the Boeing Alzafon study on Anti Gravity 1981. Or trying to replicate the Bifeld Brown stuff, which Jeffrey Epstein was super interested in, by the way. You know, Jeffrey Epstein was super interested in gravity.
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A
Right.
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B
You know.
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A
Yeah. Because he had a lot of those people on his island. Lawrence Krause, Stephen Hawking, a bunch of guys on there over there and you know, explain. So what do you think was happening with, why was he so interested in these, in these physicists and these people that were, you know, high up at these academic institutions. And he was also a part of, like, the mathematics program. He was contributing to it. The mathematics program at Harvard, right?
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B
Yeah, Yep.
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A
The one that Eric Weinstein was at.
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So don't forget that. Robert Maxwell. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein's mentor and. And basically the guy that, you know, he's working for. Ghislaine. And Ghislaine's just working for her father's network and doing what her father did. Her father owned Pergamon Press. So he basically created all the journals in science and basically built science around this whole process called peer review.
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A
Yes.
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And really amped up the peer review in the process of it. But what he did in that is he created all these journals in this peer review process which has to go through these journals. So basically, you've created a conduit now through which you can control what gets published in science and what gets out there and what doesn't. And that's a great trap for an intelligence community because, you know, you need to make sure that disruptive science and technologies get into your hands first and not someone else's. Right. So it's no surprise that these. These kinds of people, the intelligence agents, were onto that. That sort of thing, you know, and. And using Jeffrey Epstein and his network to. Because, you know, hey, scientists are humans, too. Even Stephen Hawking in his wheelchair apparently had girls sit on his face or something. So, you know, we all get horny, bro. Right? If you ain't horny, you ain't. What is it healthy?
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A
He. Me, I sat on his face for five minutes.
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It's your. Yeah, your commercials. Anyways. Yeah. So here's the idea. They're compromisable, and then once you got them in your pocket, you can control the science through those. And then. But the interesting thing is how they've propped up these people in the mainstream, too, because Lawrence Krauss comes out and he has this public debate in the academic field. They want to, oh, let's have Lawrence Krauss take the UFO subject seriously and have a real serious conversation about it with one of the experts. So who do they bring in? They bring in Nick Pope. That guy was like, head of mod. He was a desk jockey. He's a file guy. He's not a scientist. What business does he have going on in debating Lawrence Krouss about science and UFO science? I just.
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A
What do they talk about?
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And it was. It was bad. It was just bad. They didn't talk about anything relevant. It was. It was just Basically the same. It was like very basic tropes and then the scientist comes in and oh, this is so stupid and wrong. And let me explain why. And you know, it's kind of like it was kind of like an alley oop for, for the mainstream science to, you know, throw UFOs in the, in the trash bin. The same kind of thing that they did with JL and Hynek during Project Blue Book, right? It's a rinse and repeat of Project bluebook. Essentially what they're trying to do now with the COVID up of the UFO stuff, right? The same kind of tactics and strategies that were used in the intelligence world back then, right. So what they did is they created Project bluebook but in reality they had Project Stork which had access to the metals and all the real stuff. But then the public facing version was this version that they could say, oh, we're, we're taking this seriously and we're looking at all the available unclassified evidence, right. And there's nothing there and there's our conclusions. And you know, this is all just nonsense. And you guys need to learn more astronomy and need to learn more about Neptune and Mars and you need to learn more about the swamp gas reflecting off of the light from Venus, right? So it's basically the same kind of stuff. And then we have Arrow. The government creates this organization, Gillibrand's this champion in this government disclosure initiative. We're going to dig to the bottom of this. So we're going to create this, we're going to create this group called Arrow, which is the all Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. So it's basically like a UFO group. They're going to look at videos and analyze videos and talk about videos and, and that to the public is what ufology is all about. To the public, this is like the Blue Book version. It's like these people have crash recoveries, they have metals, they have debris, they have physical metamaterials. We've been talking about the metamaterials. I've talked to people who worked at these places that were talking about metamaterials and quasicrystals 25 years ago. Ed Fouche, one of my good friends who got me into all this stuff, Edgar Fouche, was talking about method about quasicrystals and metamaterials in 1998. Okay. This was decades before TTSA ever came out. And we're talking about metamaterials and, and, and these, these types of things. And now we got an F47, you know, about that new fighter jet that they got, the F47. You never heard of this yet?
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A
No. Hey guys, if you're not already subscribed, please hammer the subscribe button below and hit the like button on the video back to the show.
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This thing, remind me. This thing has all. It has no movable wing surfaces on the craft. It's all metamaterials. It's all. It's super advanced. The thing can go invisible and go hypersonic? Yes. Look this thing up, man. This is next generation. This is basically like one a couple steps away from.
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Is this already done or are these.
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B
No, this is real. This is. This is declassified. It's out there now.
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A
Whoa.
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B
So if this is declassified on the article. Steve, if this is declassified, we got something better already.
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Oh my God. If this is declassified, we have something 20 years more advanced than this.
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B
Absolutely.
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Damn. Zoom in a little bit. Okay, this came out. When did this, when did this drop find the date should be up. Up top.
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B
It was just this year. I. Right. April. Yeah, April.
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Okay, zoom. Oh, go, go back down. Beginning. Zoom in. The U.S. air Force is firmly of the view that its new F47. Six generation stealth fighters are key to how we win in future fights. According to the service's in charge of force structure planning. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah. Give me some good stuff about like how it's made. F47 1 Next Generation Air dominance combat jet competition as a fantastic day for the Air Force. Get me to the the meta material. I want to know how this thing's made and what does it say.
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B
I don't know if they're going to give you too many details man, because it's this a lot of stuff.
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A
It's certainly insanely cool looking. I can do some more searching. It's not in this. All right.
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B
It's not going to be on there. But find some goodies. It's super classified and some people think that this is what crashed up. They were testing something that crashed out in Area 51 because there's a huge fire that happened out there.
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When?
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Just a couple days ago, man. Huge giant fire. You know what's also weird is it it was the same. The same exact day the fire broke out was the same exact day a bunch of these guards from Area 51 went and testified in front of Congress US which is just bizarre coincidence, right?
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Yeah.
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And all these guards like a guy named Fred Dunham. The Fred Dunham story was one we covered back in the. In the 80s. They had all this metamaterials that they were using on the stealth planes, like the F117. All that black paint. Right. Was that Barry? It was a barium titanate paint that was radar absorbent.
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Yeah.
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Basically a phase array, phased array mirror.
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So I want to go back to the, the peer review. Epstein. Oh yeah, Gravity interest with, with all the physicists that he was flying down there.
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B
Yeah, I'm all over the place.
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A
Do you think it's possible that, that Epstein knew anything about a secret research program, a secret gravity program or anything like this?
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B
Well, there was gravity programs that were. I mean this, the secret gravity program is of this, of the 50s. Right. 57. There was this big meeting with Bryce do it and Cecil do it and, and Richard Fan was there, Herman Bondi was there and, and also Weber, the guy who created Weber bars, which is what LIGO is based on. The LIGO gravity wave detector is based on Weber's stuff and he got all that from the Bondi sticky.
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L is the. They used to, to find the pyramid, right?
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B
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that. But I think that was GPR or ground penetrating radar or there's another type, a new type of ground, a different type of ground penetrating radar. It's called surface tomography. Right. But no, that's a little bit different than the LIGO detects. Has like basically the X and it measures the length of these two lasers in conjunction with each other and can detect very minute gravitational waves. And there's ligo, but there's also a sister facility. There's another one that's the same that they use to, because they have two facilities they use to supposedly check the, the data to make sure both of them are, are working properly and they both match. Right.
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So ligo, I remember LIGO now.
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It's got the sister facility there.
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A
LIGO was the thing that they could figure out how to create earthquakes with. Right.
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B
No, that's harp. And, and then there's allegations that there's a bigger version of HARP in the Ice Creep Neutrino detector. Because there's literally a harp that's a 1 km square in Antarctica right now in the ice cube Neutrino detector. It's, it's these wires that are one kilometer long and there's, there's a, there's a 10, there's 100 by 100 of them that all go down into the deep, deep into the ice. They drill cores in the ice and they drop these wires down and they say it's to detect neutrinos in this large neutrino detector. But my friend Eric Hecker, who I've interviewed a number of times, he, he was also, he was also one of the three whistleblowers that testified to Arrow that never got heard or never got their.
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A
That guy seems a little, little.
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B
He seems a little out there a little crazy sometimes. And especially when he, you know, because he gets into some of the other directed energy stuff and a lot of that gets really wacky because then you get into the directed energy theories that. Oh these, they have these SAIC beam weapons that brought down the towers. That. Judy Wood, she's a. Not another Judy. Judy. Doctor. Dr. Judy Wood.
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Yeah.
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And, and she's interestingly connected with this whole gelatin art group and that was in the World Trade Center. There's some weird connections there man to these, these guys that, that everyone blames and be like look, there's this Israeli art students that were working in the World Trade Center. It must have been Israelis that blew up the World Trade Center. And Israelis did 9, 11 and, and there's a whole bunch of people that.
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Say there's the dancing Israelis right In.
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B
The five dancing Israelis that worked for that urban moving systems and stuff, right. And they have this bizarre conspiracy theory.
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Well, they were Mossad agents.
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B
They were Mossad agents. Yeah. But they could not have. Without the help of Securicom, stratasac and all this. They couldn't have gotten the towers rigged. You know, they need. You need the inside.
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A
No, I don't, I don't think people think that they. Maybe some crazy people think that they actually did it. I think it's impossible that they did it. I think it's possible they knew about it though.
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B
They might have known about it. Yeah. They were obviously people working in those floors areas shut off stuff being moved around. There was, there was a whole fireproofing upgrades that took place on the exact floors that like right in the exact impact zones where the planes hit. They upgraded like all the fireproofing. Why do you upgrade fireproofing? Wasn't that place loaded with asbestos? Didn't have like so much asbestos that it was going to cost billions of dollars to remove it all and would have been easier just to knock them down in an accident. Really and really financially convenient for a few people to do that if that were to happen. Right?
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A
Yeah. All right, back to the anti gravity stuff.
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B
I know I'm all over the place here.
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Epstein anti gravity research physicists that he was talking to and inviting to his.
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B
Yeah but the. The dew stuff. I wanted to mention one other thing that people think that these, these weapons were used to start fires and, and Maui and other things. And it's nonsense. And their evidence is literally like, oh, well, look at these houses with blue roofs.
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A
Blue roofs.
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B
And the blue roofs didn't burn so that they're immune to the lasers. And I'm like, dude, here's a, Here's a laser taking off blue paint because they have laser. Laser strip paint strippers. You know what I mean? And there's videos you can find of laser paint strippers that can remove blue paint just fine. That's a directed energy weapon, bro. That is. And it, and it doesn't penetrate the steel. It just removes the paint. And again, these are people that don't understand construction or building materials, right? Because all those blue roofs were metal roofs, okay? Metal roofs, not combustible, like asphalt roofs are. So that's why those houses didn't burn down. So it's just, just, it's. It's nonsense, though, like the, the amount of disinformation and miseducation. But again, the saic, SAIC did build a lot of directed energy weapons. They've evolved with this whole Excalibur project, right? To, to build the Star Wars Defense Initiative. The. These space lasers that could shoot nukes out of the incoming ICBMs out of the sky, right? But in order to get the power on board these satellites, there's no power system to be able to generate that much power on a satellite, right? So what they had to do is they have a nuclear device inside the SA satellite that literally, it's like a bomb inside the satellite, and it goes off inside this laser cavity. And, and it was able to direct the, the energy from the nuclear explosion to create a laser pulse. Because that's how. The only reason, that's the only way that you can create that much energy up in space with, you know, a power plant that can produce that much power. There's real serious issues with the energy.
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And they never figured it out, right?
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B
Well, apparently some people figure out like, like Ashes Forbes, he. He nailed free energy, right? You know, so these free energy people, like, say that they got. They get free energy. And so you so speculate.
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A
These people speculate. The Star wars satellites are using free energy to make the lasers, right?
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B
That's what they have to say because that's what they have to say because they have no other explanation for where the power comes from or how that power is created, right? So, so there's, there's issues with all that. This the. But back to the anti gravity stuff. You got Kip Thorne. Right? Kip Thorne was visiting the island.
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A
Right, Right.
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Kip Thorne studied under Bryson Cecil do it. Who again ran that Chapel Hill secret conference in 57. So yeah there are these very top level gravity scientists and gravity physicists having associations with Jeffrey Epstein. Whether those people were engaged in activities that they could later be blackmailed or controlled for is not proven. There's no evidence for that yet. You know Lawrence Krauss denies it vehemently when, when he's asked about it but you know again these people are in a position to control science and mainstream, mainstream science and, and mainstream physics and prevent disruptive ideas from coming out into the mainstream and being you know, taken widely seriously.
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A
Which is know didn't also Towns and Brown didn't he basically like make up some sort of lie about his physics at one point to like hide it from people?
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B
I remember apparently. Yeah, cuz well he, he had, he was forced to you know, basically say it didn't work when it did.
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A
Right.
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B
Tell the public that it didn't. Yeah so there's, there's some of that there, there's.
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A
And he worked with Trump, Donald Trump's uncle I think think.
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B
Interesting. Yeah, I heard that he's connected to the whole Tesla files stuff too, which is interesting. I wonder what Elon's role and SpaceX's role is in all this because he doesn't know anything apparently. Yeah, he doesn't when he's asked about it but I, and then I've also have a good friend of mine that sat right next to the third in charge at SpaceX on a flight and he asked him about all this stuff and that guy didn't have a clue either.
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A
Well a funny thing about, he was.
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B
Actually taking notes my bro, he was like what, what is all this? I heard any of this secret space.
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A
I wonder how much clearance, I wonder how high level clearance Elon has into all of this UFO stuff.
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B
I'm curious you know, because I just don't know.
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A
Isn't his guy that works for him, the, the dragon guy? Tim, Isn't he like the one who says claims to have all this knowledge of all these secret programs and all these, these UFO technologies that he's patented and he seems to be like the most mysterious all knowing person on this.
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B
Who is that?
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A
Tim Taylor.
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B
You know I'm talking Taylor, you know that is. Yeah I know who that is. The guy from, he works for Elon, right?
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A
He works on all the rocket launches, doesn't he?
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B
I'm not sure I know that he's, you know, the, the Rocket City Redneck show and, and then also the Skinwalker Ranch. Right.
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A
No, he's not any of that.
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B
Not Tim. Tail. Oh, I'm thinking this is the guy.
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A
That'S in Diana Pasoka's book.
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B
Oh, yes. No, I'm. I'm confusing him with. With the other guy there. He's also named Taylor. Dr. Taylor. I forget his name if it's.
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A
No, I'm talking about. I'm talking about the guy who's like the Dragon. He calls himself the Dragon at all the. All the launches at Cape Canaveral. And he's the one who like sits in a room and is supposed to like, watch all of the. The NSA satellites, drones, and, and like make sure this rocket gets into the atmosphere safely. You don't, you don't know about him?
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B
I, I've heard of him. I, I just got him confused with the other.
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A
Right.
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B
The other Taylor guy there.
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A
Chris Bledo. Talked about him a lot. He said visited Chris Bledo and told him all kinds of crazy stuff.
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B
I've never talked to him. You know, I'd be interested. Know him.
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A
No one he has except for he's.
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B
Never coming like again. We have the APEC group, so we got. We invite a lot of people in there publicly.
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A
Oh, you're thinking of Travis Taylor.
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B
Travis Taylor, yeah.
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A
Different guy.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That's who I, I confused him with. You could see why.
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A
Yeah, right.
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B
So.
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A
Right. But no, it's. It's strange that that Elon would know nothing about this stuff. Nothing about UFOs, nothing about any kind of like anti grav physics, you know.
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B
I mean, and apparently not interested in either because like.
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A
Right, if he's not interested in it, he's. I mean, he must not be interested in it because if he is, he's doing a great job of lying about it.
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B
Again, he's not the only Tim Taylor and, and they're not the only ones working on this kind of stuff too. There's lots of other scientists that have done a lot of other work. You know, like Amy Esridge's father there, Richard Esridge. And then also, you know, that's the scientist that we knew that killed herself. You know about that? The NASA's girl? The NASA scientist girl that killed herself? No, Amy Eskridge.
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A
I don't know about her.
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B
You never heard about her, man. Well, she had to try to like, infiltrate our group. I felt. I felt that she was like, well, first we thought she was a high level source because her father's Richard Eskridge. He's got all these plasma gravity, you know, plasma propulsions, patents and stuff for NASA. Does a lot of classified work and stuff for NASA. And she, she was telling us, oh, I know how anti gravity works, I know how all this stuff works. And, and I, I, I, I can't wait to tell you guys all the secret and I'm going to help reveal it. I'm gonna, she was like telling us she was going to be the one to bring disclosure. And you know, I thought that she was like a, like a, I thought she was like working for the, the intel agencies. I'm like, this girl's infiltrated our group. She, she, basically she, she. And then she started dating my top, my main lab guy, Mark. Mark. She started dating him and I was just like, oh my God, they just got into my group and infiltrated me. Like, holy crap. And I thought she was a spy the whole time and I just couldn't stand her. But now she killed herself a couple years ago and there's a lot of people online that think there's a bigger conspiracy involved in it. And, and then also who did she work for? But she worked for, she worked for her father and I don't know, she worked for a, she worked for a couple different companies and stuff and she worked for this Institute for Exotic Sciences with another friend of hers and they were supposedly going to be developing this. These. Yeah, these.
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She co founded the Institute for Exotic Science.
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B
Yeah. Is this, this, this group in Huntsville.
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And she publicly spoke about developing a sixth force and described her work as anti gravity, though she acknowledged it was a non traditional interpretation. In September 2020, she was allegedly blocked by NASA Marshall Space Flight Center.
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B
Yeah.
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From presenting her research.
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B
And we felt that like she, she, I don't know, something was up with that because the Estes park conference was run by a guy named, I'm sorry, I can't think of his name right.
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Now, but she was found dead by a gunshot wound. Concluded a suicide.
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B
Yeah.
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Lived with chronic pain.
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B
Yeah, it's according to Reddit. A lot of interesting stuff going on with her case, but we should try using Grock, bro.
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A
I think gro's better than. I think everyone thinks Gr. Gro is better. It seems to be than GPT. I don't know.
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B
Yeah, I think gro's better than GPT. It finds a lot, but you got.
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A
To get the suit. You got to be logged in though, Steve. You got to have the super.
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B
So we, we've, we've been digging into this anti gravity stuff as long, if not longer than Jeffrey Epstein was. I didn't, you know, hire a lot of these people to come to my private island as I don't have one. But we did set up a conference, our own conference after the SD's park conference. It's run by Jim Woodworth Woodward and who's the Woodward Effect, also called the Mock Effect and, but that's again a whole nother story. And so there's all these different scientists that have, you know, come out over the years. He used to, they used to actually run this STAFE conference which was the original DARPA conferences where all the propulsion stuff would be discussed and all the, all the papers would be presented and picked up by DARPA projects and stuff like that back in like the 80s and 90s. So I've been, I've known, I knew the guys that were doing this like when I was just a baby, you know what I mean? And I talked to and interviewed all them, got all their, all their best info and all their best intel. If someone figured out anti gravity in 1954, like Stephen Greer came and sat in this chair and told you that we know about it, we'd have it. And his, his.
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A
Well, don't you think that's what all the Tic Tac stuff is? I think that's like. Do you think. I think that's our stuff, Our own anti gravity stuff?
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B
That's. I, I again, I probably, they probably.
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A
Launch it out of submarines.
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B
Is that, is that true though? I don't have the evidence for that. Or is that, of course, nobody does. This is just a psyop they want us to believe. I wonder if that's just a psy up. They want us to believe because you look at, you look at right now, right now you got Ross Colhart saying that he swears the Tic Tac is a Lockheed Martin craft and that he's seen something that no one else has seen. And I know for a fact that Steven Greer showed him something, something that was given to him by Michael Schratt, who's my, you know, one of my.
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A
Good friends and, and Michael Schratt.
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B
Michael Schratt, that name sounds so familiar. Michael Schratt is a UFO archivist and a researcher. He's got a huge collection of UFO documents. He, he's caught every, every UFO library in the world. He has, he has a full copy of their entire library. He has, he has more. He has all the broad project Blue Book files and, and plus more. This guy's got everything. And he's got every single area 51 patch that was ever issued on. On, like, four, like, he's got, like, five boards full of all the patches, man. This guy's got, like, every. Like, the authentic real patches that, that were given to people at Area 51 for every special project that ever happened out there. And he can tell you every single one and, and, and, and details about it, bro. The guy's. The guy is a. The guy's great. I mean, he's. He's one of my. He's. He's one of my best friends and researchers in the. In the UFO community around, around that issue. And I know for a fact that he's the one that dug up that 1960. It was a 1967. When was the Y Combay. It's. It's Y Com. It's like Y comb with a B, C, O, M, B, E. Pennsylvania sighting. Because he's got a Tic Tac sighting.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
67.
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A
Oh, 67, bro.
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B
This thing was so you don't think.
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A
You don't. You don't think the Tic Tacs were our stuff?
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B
I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say.
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A
What's your best guess?
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B
If it could have been, you know, because aerogels go back 100 years, right? So you have super lightweight things. Then you have these surfaces which are, you know, you can get propulsion effects of ion propulsion off a surface. With these propulsion effects. You could build a large aerogel aerostat craft. With these propulsive surfaces on it that could accelerate at ridiculous speeds. Because F equals ma. If you put your m really small, a tiny bit of force gives you a huge A. Right. That's a huge acceleration. That's the basic physics, right? So you can go really, really fast on a small amount of force if you weigh nothing. Right. If you weigh as light as a feather. And these aerogels weigh lighter than a feather. They're lighter than. They're lighter than. Than water and stuff. Yeah. So, yeah, that's. That's the one. It's the boiler. The boiler ship ufo. It looks like. It looks like a Tic Tac with the same kind of appendages hanging off of it. The same little antenna appendages will come.
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A
Be Pennsylvania, which is.
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B
It's just weird, right, because.
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A
And this thing was described as flying.
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B
Yeah. It flew right out of a lake and over a lake. I don't know if it came out of the water and took off.
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A
This.
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B
I, I think that's what I thought. I think it came out of the water and took off. So something interesting there. Again, I don't, I don't, I don't. It's hard to say what, what they have without definite proof because they, they've, they kept the, they kept certain projects secret for, for, for a very long time, you know, and then it's hard to say, man. It really is. But I feel like a lot of it, just from a standpoint of being involved in it and seeing so much overhype and under delivery. I feel like a lot of this stuff is psyops to make people think. It's to make our enemies think. We have a lot better stuff than we actually do. That's why I feel like some of it is. But then again, it's like, where's, again, where's the proof? You need definite proof before I can say that we have the ability to teleport a plane, for example. I have to show that I can teleport a toothpick first, right? I have to show that experimentally that I can make a toothpick disappear and reappear over there. And then I can teleport it with technology before I believe that you can do it with an airplane or a person or anything else, right? You have to show this physically. So there again, we've had a lab, we've gotten tons of people working on this from all over the world. There's a massive team of like 30 or 40 people all working on different anti gravity experiments around the clock. And we've been working on this for five years with private funding and we haven't been able to crack this or figure it out. We've gotten the Biefeld Brown effect to work in the vacuum video. Remember the Bell Jar?
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A
The.
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B
With, with the, the. The. In fact, when Jesse Michaels was on Joe Rogan, they were searching, you know, the Bifeld Brown in a vacuum. And that. That came up. That's our video.
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A
Oh, is it really? Yeah, let's pull it up. How do we find it?
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B
Look up Bifel Brown effect in a vacuum. That's the.
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A
And you guys did this in your lab.
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B
Mark did this down at his lab with a 15 inch bell jar down in, in. In New Jersey at the Falcon Space Lab in New Jersey. Jersey. So. And we did this because Jesse Michaels had put together this video on Seinfeld Brown and yeah, his documentary on Byfield Brown was amazing. Yeah, it was great. And in the end he said he offered a $50,000 prize to anyone who could, you know, show and demonstrate provably that this effect works in a vacuum.
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A
Right.
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And so we said, yeah, we'll take that challenge.
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A
And did you do it?
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B
Well, here it is. Man, I haven't seen that 50 grand.
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A
I don't see what's happening here. It's moving.
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It's, it's on a torsional balance. So it's, it's going to rotate when, when the force is applied, you know. So this is a, this is a hard vacuum. This is negative six torque. Okay. It's hard.
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Okay, explain. You got, you got to break this down for, for a five year old.
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So if this is ion. So if Bifel Brown is purely ion wind, like, you know, know Martin Tajmar of the ESA and all the official authorities on, on this say, yeah, if it's purely ion wind, then it shouldn't work in a vacuum, but it does. Why?
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So you're saying that this thing in the middle is spinning, right? Or is moving because of the bi field brown effect?
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Those are little bi filled brown effect thrusters in there. Those little things, those little tiny things, those are like little Bifel Brown thrusters.
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And how do they work?
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Well, they were made Specifically according to Dr. Charles Bueller's research, who worked for NASA for like 30 years on electrostatics and he was an expert on the Bifel Brown effect. He did all, he did all the Bifel Brown research for NASA on this.
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Okay.
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And he came forward in 2023, at the end of 2023, my podcast to, you know, basically show the world that, hey, you know, I've been working on all this stuff for 30 years and they finally cleared me to be able to talk and talk about it and tell you all about it. And he's was very adamant that this, you know, this stuff actually is, it's something, it's some, it's new physics. There's new physics here.
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Why is it going back and forth like that?
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It's on a torsional balance. So, so it's, it's.
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And why so slow?
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It's. Because it's, it's. It takes a very small amount. It's. It's producing a very small amount of thrust, but it is producing some with this. But if it produces any amount of thrust in a vacuum, it means it's not, it's not pushing off air. Right. And Nam Tron is, is the name of, he's the person that built those thrusters. He's A. He's a physicist, an experimental researcher from our group. He lives in Vietnam.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, this is. This is all. This is all new physics here, man. There's something. There's something weird going on. And by Phil Brown working in a vacuum, it shouldn't. There's no mainstream explanation for why this is happening or what's going on there. And Epstein, of course, would probably have been interested in this. I don't know what he. What he was. I don't know how far he got or who else he was involved with the groups. I mean, we have a list of the names of the scientists that were going to the, you know, the island and stuff. And we have the fact that, you know, he's trying to get. Infiltrate other groups and other theoretical groups and stuff. What the reasons are all behind those? I'm not sure. You know, Eric Weinstein seems to think that he was specifically targeted because of his. His. His research that he was doing.
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Yeah. Weinstein explained being invited to his house. Right. And going there and like, waiting in the lobby and then being like, really creepy. And he thought that. He explains that he think Epstein was like playing a character. He didn't think he was like a real finance guy. Like, he wasn't. He wasn't a real investor. Right. He was like someone that was playing a character who obviously had a ton of money, but he got most his money from Leslie West Wexner.
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B
Yeah. Les Wexner. Yeah. When the Bronfman family. I mean, I. I feel like too, because the. The whole Bronfman connection. There. There's something there. Claire Bronfman was connected to that whole Nexium sex cult in Albany, New York. You know about that, right?
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A
No, I know about Nexium, but I don't know who Claire is.
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Claire Bronfman? Yeah, that's the Bronfman daughter. The heiress's daughter, man. She. She was. She got caught up in all that. And that's like. That's. Guess. The Bronfman family. Bear Stearns. Those are the people that.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
Yeah. Really interesting connection.
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Well, I mean, Epstein's origin. Origin is crazy because he got hired as a math teacher. Is that right? At the Dalton School.
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B
Yeah. Right. That's a teacher. Right.
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And then he got fired allegedly for. Was it misconduct or. I don't know what the official story was, but he got fired for that. And then one of the. The girls dads who was at the Dalton School was the guy at Bear Stearns.
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B
Right.
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A
Who then hired him and he had no training in this stuff, no college degree or anything like this. Just brought him into Bear Stearns. And then before you know it, he's connected to all these big shots, Adnan Khashoggi, and like these. This crazy world. And all of a sudden he's like. He's living like the richest human on the planet.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Over wealthy, like, unbelievable amount. His lifestyle was insane.
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B
It's just crazy that there is a group of people that are so wealthy, so well connected, and a private intelligence network that's able to operate and set up outside the CIA. After the CIA closed the Safari club with Adnan Khashoggi and all them basically created their own CIA to act in lieu of the CIA on these foreign issues while the CIA was being handcuffed by Carter. So the whole Iran Contra network exists around Epstein. And as part of his rise to power, those are the people that put him in power. And then the Iran Contra network is also the people, I believe, that are responsible for 911. 11. I do not. I believe that the hijackers that were. Were brought here that, that hijacked those planes. Right. Thirteen of them were given their visas to enter this country in Saudi Arabia.
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A
Right.
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Through. Through John Brennan. John Brennan was the guy directly responsible.
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A
How many of them were actual Saudis, though? A huge number, right?
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B
Yeah. Like 15 of the 19 were Saudis.
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A
Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And there was also Saudi intelligence officers in California at one of those houses they were staying at.
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B
Right, Right.
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A
And where Muhammad Atta was and a lot of those other guys, when you.
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B
Look into the whole history of it, George Tennant and who held the spot at Alex Station, that was taken over by Brennan when Brennan. Brennan was basically put into the position at Alex Station after George Tenet left Alex Station to go become director of the CIA under Bush. Well, Brennan goes and takes his spot. His job is to give all the hijackers their visas and bring them to this country, and then he gets rewarded by becoming director of the CIA later. Very interesting connections there. And again, I've talked about a lot of these CIA directors, like John Deutsch, for example. He left the CIA after that press conference in LA where Mike Rupert basically confronted him, said, we're where basically all the la. Everyone in LA is like, is the CIA dealing drugs? And he said, oh, if you have evidence of the CIA dealing drugs, you can bring it to the police department in la, lapd. And the guy gets up, he's like, I was head of LAPD narcotics detective for. I was shot at for trying to bring and Forced out of LAPD for trying to bring this up. So who do I go to? So who do I go to? And he's like, I don't. You can bring that to the police department or the FBI. And he's like, no, all those people are corrupt. They're all involved in, in running this whole drug operation. What do we do? And the whole room erupts. You can. You can go watch this, this. This video of John. Look up Mike. Rupert confronts John Deutsch.
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A
Oh my God.
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B
And John Deutsch, year was this. This was 1993 or 4? 1994, I believe. Yeah. And. Yeah. So John Deutsch quits as director of the CIA. He's like, I can't. I can't deal with this, this man because. Because he's connected to this whole drug trafficking thing, which, you know, Aldi north took the whole fall for that whole thing, but really it was so much deeper than that. We should have had, you know, a church style committee hearings on that. We haven't had one of those. Those types of hearings. Yeah.
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How long is this? Five minutes.
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Yeah. This is nuts. Narcotics, Detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time. I'll refer you to three specific agency.
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Operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus and Watchtower.
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B
I have Watchtower documents, heavily redacted by the Agency.
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A
I was personally exposed to CIA operations.
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B
And recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late circumstances 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.
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A
I have been trying to get this.
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B
Out for 18 years and I have the evidence. My question for you is very specific, sir. If in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?
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A
Everybody in the audience is black.
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B
All right, you want to hear the response first from. Congressman.
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A
Can you turn it down just a little bit? Wait, I want to see this guy's response from your.
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B
From your. Fast forward a bit. She. She talks, knocks a lot. Oh, no, go back, go back. You missed it.
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A
Here we go.
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B
There we go.
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A
If you have information about CIA illegal.
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B
Activity in drugs, you should immediately bring.
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A
That information to wherever you want.
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B
But let me suggest three places. The Los Angeles Police Department.
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A
Look at his smile.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Please.
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Why is everybody blocking?
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B
It's South Central la. Oh, okay. I am sorry. Others want to hear this. Answer it. It is your choice. The Los Angeles Police Department.
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The Inspector General or office of one of your kind. Congress persons from this.
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B
I'm surprised they didn't rush the desk and kill that guy. I really am. I really am shocked.
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A
I want to see the other guy's response. And sir, you have not gotten the mic.
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B
If this information turns up wrongdoing, if.
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A
It turns out turns up wrongdoing, we.
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B
Will bring the people to justice and make them accountable. Yeah, no you won't. You'll actually prosecute the people who blow the whistle because the only, the only people that went to jail for torture in the US Were the people that exposed it.
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A
Yep. John Karriaku.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, you just had them on, man.
- [93:07]
A
Yeah. Also Thomas Drake.
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B
Thomas Drake, yeah.
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NSA. His first day at NSA was 9 11.
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B
No way.
- [93:16]
A
His first day.
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B
But. So that whole thing, 911 could have been prevented if that thin thread software had been used and worked. Right. So the NSA spent. It worked perfectly. They spent $3 million, a nice budget on, on the software that could identify and pinpoint all the terrorists. And it had specific protections built in so that they wouldn't scoop up and any of the illegal spying on citizens and stuff. Right. And they shot that down, they buried it and they replaced it with a billion dollar contract given to SAIC for essentially the same thing that basically took thin thread but just removed all the protections.
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A
Trailblazer.
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B
Yeah, the Trailblazer program. And that was run by saic. Okay. John Deutsch did a lot of. He did mergers and acquisitions for saic. He worked for saic.
- [94:08]
A
Really?
- [94:09]
B
That guy in the video we just watched? John Deutch, the CIA drug traffick, the guy who quit over all those allegations and stuff. So he's, he's deeply involved in. In a lot of. A lot of other things.
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A
Can you explain for people who don't know about saic, what are they? And. And first of all, it's.
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B
It's stands for Science Applications International Corporation.
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A
The most bland, mundane name you could have for a company. It's like so boring. It's like you don't want to pay attention to it. So what do they do and what. And what have they been doing?
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B
Well, they started in like 68 and there's really no information on what their original contracts are, what they started with and doing or around it. But sometime, I know in the 90s, they were hired by the CIA to actually study the. As a second. They brought in as like a third party to study the work that Hal Puthoff was doing at the. The. Like. Was it this? The. What was the. The Stanford.
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Sri.
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Sri. Stanford Research Institute. Yes, I just want to make sure I got that right. Stanford Research Institute was doing all that research into remote viewing with the. The whole. And they brought in SAIC to basically confirm and try to verify, reverify their results, which I have a lot to say about that whole remote viewing stuff. I don't think it's real. I think what really, I think it's. I think that HAL put offs completely, you know, was either completely duped by this group. I think there was another group involved with all that. Right. Run by Puharic. And. And that wasn't, you know, connected to, you know, Yuri Geller and all that. And they brought Yuri Geller in the. A lot of people were convinced that he was a real. He had real powers and real abilities and stuff, Right. Well, it turns out that Puharek had invented a radio transceiver small enough that could be fit inside of a filling of a tooth. So you give someone. You drill someone's tooth filling out, you put this little radio chip receiver in, and then you do the filling on top of it, and boom, they got a little radio chip in their tooth. And now you can. It vibrates the messages so that if you clench your teeth together, you can actually hear messages from this radio transceiver through your tooth. So you have now a covert way to send your subject the answer to the remote viewing questions without the interviewer knowing. Right. So you can fool these interviewers into thinking this person actually has remote viewing powers when really he's just being transmitted the answers through a radio transceiver in his tooth. So I believe that was one method that they used to fool a lot of the researchers at SRI into believing that these subjects actually had real remote viewing powers. The other one is, is that help put off sites this, oh, this plane crashed somewhere in this thing, and they needed to find it right away, and they didn't know where it was. And so they came to our group and one of our remote viewers, like this Pat Price guy, was able to find the plane, you know, with his magical powers and stuff.
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A
Funny things about all this remote viewing things. I don't mean to interrupt or ruin your train of thought, but a lot of them were Scientologists, right?
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B
Yes. And a lot of them were involved in, like, the occult and other stuff too. There's a lot of, like, weird Satanism stuff too. But the science search, Scientology is definitely an interesting connection. But. But back to the whole issue the HAL put off brought this up on Joe Rogan. He said, oh, well, you Know this, this guy found the plane, but there's other explanations for that, right? And here's my explanation, what I think could have happened. We have all these spy satellites set up by the recently created NRO and the NSA during that same time. Now we have data on this plane. Say we were tracking that plane. We knew exactly where it crashed.
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A
What plane are you talking about?
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B
The plane that HAL put off says that they found with remote viewing. And that proves remote viewing is real and that it works. This is only proof that he, he gives on Joe Rogan's show that remote viewing is real. Is that plane that this one remote viewer found, that's like the biggest, that's this big ultimate proof that this is, this has got to be real. And if you have a classified program and you were able to track that plane, you knew exactly where that plane was and you need to go now, get that plane. How do you, how do you do that? How do you find a way to like, oh, we found the plane. Well, the remote viewing program is a perfect, you know, scapegoat because you can just say, oh, one of our remote viewers found the plane and that's where it was. Oh my God, that's where the plane was. But in that way, you don't have to reveal your sources of your true intelligence of that you actually tracked the plane. You knew what it was and where.
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A
It was, was, and because of satellites.
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Because of satellites, yeah. It makes perfect sense.
- [98:45]
A
Well, couldn't you also put the shoe on the other foot and make the, make the exact opposite argument saying you don't want them to know about your remote viewing stuff. You want to hide the remote viewing technology.
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B
Because the NRO program was a billion dollar spy canon. Spy satellites. We sent tons of these things up in the air. We have that capability and that's something real that we wouldn't want people to know about. Whereas remote viewing, I mean, it's, there's no proof that that ever exists. We, there's been tons of people in.
- [99:11]
A
Other countries find out that we have those satellites in the atmosphere, wouldn't they easily be able to detect those satellites?
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B
Yeah, they, they might know. We have, we have some of these capabilities and stuff, but, but it's a, it's a way to get that information out that's classified. So there's not proof that, that that plane was found with remote viewing. The CIA could have pulled a move. Is all I'm saying is, all right, I don't know. You can do that with what you will and, and people can Believe what they want. But I've done my own studies into this remote viewing stuff, and I think it's all. It's all a bunch of hogwash. And I think.
- [99:44]
A
Yeah, but isn't there a ton of other evidence that the remote viewing stuff is real?
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B
Where there's been.
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A
I don't know where, like, I don't know if there's hard.
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B
Like, name some. Like, show me.
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A
I don't know how you could document.
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B
I would love to see it, but I haven't seen it yet.
- [99:56]
A
Yeah, no, I've not seen it either. But I'm saying.
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I'm just saying if you have any, please show me. And I. And I would love to test one of these people.
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A
I'm just saying testimonials from people who were a part of the program who have talked about it and, and corroborated stuff. Like you have.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
You have witnesses with corroboration. I'm not saying like a, you know, hardcore evidence.
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B
Yeah, they get a whole bunch of these people that say, oh, yeah, it's real. I swear by it. And. And it's totally real, and it's. Yeah, okay, show. Prove it to me. All right.
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A
Yeah, I would love to see proof, too.
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B
Again, it's one of those things where I'm. I'm a scientist and I'm a skeptic, and I. I just. I think it's. I think it's a whole bunch of nonsense to convince people that they can get inside your head and get inside everything.
- [100:35]
A
And Steve, final ask, Grok, has anybody ever proved remote viewing is real?
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B
Yeah, I wonder what Grock has to say, because there was a whole bunch of studies that were done. Like I said, SRI did the studies. Then SAIC was brought in as like, this separate group so that we know that they were involved with the CIA through that, you know, at least that one classified thing. So. So it's. It's quite.
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A
Oh, yeah, we got off on a tangent, but also, I know, back to saic.
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B
I know that Ed Fouche worked for SAIC at one point, too. I know that that's in his history. But also, SAIC is apparently connected to a whole bunch of the UFO stuff, right? Just, you know, tangentially.
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A
Jesse Michaels talks about.
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B
Yeah, yeah, well, the. His. The guy. Uap, gerb. And he's done a ton of research into, you know, he's great. Both SAIC and Battelle.
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A
Right.
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B
So Battelle is, you know, those. The progress reports that show them. They were working on. On the memory metals in 49, right. 1949. With a specific interest in nickel titanium alloys, which is nitinol. There's like five pages with the phase diagrams for nickel titanium alloy. They were super interested in this for some reason, and I think it's because of the memory metals that were found at Roswell. A lot of other researchers do feel that way as well.
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A
All right, here's our conclusion from gross rock. Remote viewing has not been conclusively proven to be real in the sense of meeting rigorous scientific standards for a novel phenomenon. While some studies, particularly from the Stargate project and recent meta analysis, report statistically significant results, there they. These are countered by methodological meth method.
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B
Methodological.
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There you go. Easy for you to say. Critiques inconsistent replication and the absence of theoretical explanation. The mainstream scientific community, of course, leans heavily towards skepticism, classifying remote viewing as pseudoscience, just like they do everything through proponents argue. Though proponents argue it warrants further investigation due to persistent statistical anomalies. The debate remains open, but the evidence is not sufficient to establish remote viewing as definitely a real phenomenon. Right, but here's the thing. We have proof that the CIA spent millions of dollars on Stargate. Why would they just waste millions of dollars dollars if it wasn't, if it didn't. If it wasn't at least somewhat effective? I'm not saying like guaranteed, but say they say they tried remote viewing a thousand times and it happened five out of a thousand times.
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B
So there was a article that was published, I think it was in a French newspaper, and it was about a Russian remote viewing program. And that got us interested in the idea and we said, oh, the Russians really doing this? Does this really work? Well, we have to find out. We have to see, you know.
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A
Oh, okay.
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B
So, you know, they spend, they spend, they spend more than that trying to figure out a link between, you know, you know, the, the, the. Yeah, I can't even think of one off the top of my head, but there's some ridiculous.
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A
And this was all during the Cold War, dude.
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B
The Cold War.
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A
Some of the most insane was going on in our government during the Cold War. You got jfk, Watergate, MK Ultra, the moon landing, Stargate. It was like the Cold War was like the Twilight Zone of just weird and wacky going on. And most.
- [103:53]
B
A lot of ultras is really wild.
- [103:55]
A
Yeah, the moon landing too is really wild.
- [103:58]
B
Yeah, I, I don't want to get into that with you on this, this podcast. That's just a whole nother rabble. We don't have enough time. We don't have enough time. I want to talk about a lot of other.
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A
Yes, let's get, let's get back on track here.
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B
Thing is there's too many conspiracy theories. Theories.
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A
Yes.
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B
Out there. I don't want more conspiracy theories. I don't like to deal in conspiracy theory. It's cool to speculate. You know, I did a little bit of that today. Right.
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A
Did you see my part of the Rogan podcast where I showed him the picture of Jolly west on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey?
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B
Yes. That was nuts.
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A
Dude, that's him, bro.
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B
That's him.
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A
We verified it. That's him with Arthur C. Clark.
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B
Clark. He's over there hanging around with all those guys. Yeah, and. And the connection to the. Yeah, the MK Ultra connection to the Manson murder. Murders and you know, the murder of Sharon Tate and. And then how Jack Ruby. Yeah, yeah, Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby's. Yeah. Really? Another whole rabbit hole anomaly.
- [104:49]
A
He conveniently lost his mind right after Charlie west left his prison cell.
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B
Yeah, yeah. It was his court appointed psychiatrist. Well, yeah, that's the funny thing about our courts, man. They literally control the. The courts to such a degree where they. If you're involved in any of this stuff, look up, look up if you're. Heard a guy named Richard Case, name Nagel before. All right, this guy was good friends with Dave Ferry, guy Bannister and, and Clay Shaw down in New Orleans.
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A
No.
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All right, a day or like a week? I think it was like a week before the assassination. He goes into a bank with a gun and like fires it into a couple shots into the ceiling and then wait, goes out and waits in his car to go get arrested. And when they arrest him, he says I'm, I'm. I'm doing this and getting myself arrested so that I'm not implicated in the murder of President Kennedy. And they buried this guy in under like legal stuff for like years. Like.
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A
Is this online?
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B
Yeah, it's all online. You can look this up. Richard Case Nangle. Look him up. Read about it. Holy. Bro, they buried this. They buried this case that they made. They wouldn't let him present any of his evidence to the. They like suppressed all his evidence in court so that it couldn't be entered into the record. That they buried him in a prison cell for, for like years and wouldn't let out the light of day. The same thing they did with the Secret Service agent in Chicago who blew the whistle on the Chicago plot to assassinate the President. Abraham Bolden is his name. He's the first black Secret Service Agent ever. They arrested this guy on false charges and they put him in prison and kept him in prison so that he couldn't blow the whistle on the assassination plot.
- [106:27]
A
Well also Oswald tried to blow the whistle on it too, too.
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B
Right. Well the guy who called the, the Chicago FBI and, and said that there was going to be a plot there identified. He said his name was Lee.
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A
Right, right bro.
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B
So there's some, there's some stuff going on with all that. And then of course Chicago is where you know, Ruby came from. He had, he had ties to the Chicago mob with like Al Capone and all this stuff. Really interesting. You know the. How the Dallas mob, you know gets involved in all this and comes together.
- [107:02]
A
Right.
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B
And what kind of position they put Ruby in. You know that's always, always bothered me. It's like what did they. This guy must have been at his ends wit or some. They must have had something on this guy to make him do that. But then also that after he shoots Oswald in the basement of the police department, he immediately drops the gun and says where am I? What am I doing? Where am I did? Yeah, Ruby did.
- [107:29]
A
Is that on video?
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B
It's. It. I don't think it's on video but it's, it's, it's. That's in the. I don't, I don't know if it's on video. That's a good question. But this, how did you find out about.
- [107:38]
A
Where did you, did you read about it?
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B
I've read about it and learned about it. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen it. There's a video of him shooting and then like everything goes into chaos, you know. So I don't know what happens after that, but people said that he dropped the gun and was like where am I? What am I doing?
- [107:50]
A
So is the speculation that he was MK altered before that that.
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Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that, that, that, that Ruby was being, you know, MK Ultra and he's living with a. He. Ruby was living in an apartment with another guy named, another man named George Senator Ruby. Jack Ruby was gay. He never slept with any of the strippers. He was, he's a homosexual. You know. In fact pretty much everyone involved in the JFK assassination is, is gay.
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David Ferry was.
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David Ferry guy, Clay Shaw definitely gay. He was you know have part parties with 17 year old boys shoving wine bottles up at their asses in his backyard. Clay Shaw did really? Yeah, there's literally like this is in the history he had parties at his house that he got. The cops called on him because he had a bunch of black 17 year old black kids out in the backyard with shoving wine bottles up their asses.
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A
Jesus Christ.
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And the neighbors called the cops because they're all running around naked doing this. So that Clayshaw, then Oswald's landlady, Ruth Payne's lesbian, she had lesbian porn and literature all in her possession. And she supposedly had affair with Alan Dulles, his girlfriend. Right. So the director of the CIA. A direct connection between the director of the CIA and Oswald's landlady. She vacationed on Nashon island in the summer before she picked up Oswald in New Orleans and drove Marina and gave them a home in a place in Dallas to stay. She was vacationing on Nashon island, which is right near Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard up here, up where I live in Mass. And they literally, the, the Nashon island is a private island. It's owned by the Forbes family. And yeah, very interesting stuff. Alan Dulles was supposedly vacation, it was, was very definitely vacationing. That they've proven this and they think that that's one of the locations where the whole JFK assassination was like, you know, at least the financial ends of it were, were, were talked about. Okay, here's Merchison house.
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A
This is Nagel. Well, why did Nagel walk into an El Paso? According to what he told the CIA, it was because he wanted to be in custody when the assassination took place in Dallas. According to the January 18, 1968 CIA memorandum marketed quote, secret that was released to the House Select Committee on assassinations on August 23, 1978, during the Church Commission. Right. The CIA memorandum says that Nego Allette alleged he wanted to be in jail at the time of assassination. However, Nagel says at the time of my arrest, I was operating in an undercover role, having become involved in a domestic inspired plot to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Leastwise, ostensibly other highly placed government officials. Wow. That's insane. Have you seen, have you heard that lady, Judith Very Baker?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had her on here. Yeah, she's, she's interesting.
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A
She's interesting. She's very odd.
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B
I, I've had, I've had people, you know, I, I, there's a lot, I.
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A
Didn'T know what to make of it.
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There's a lot of people I've heard over the years say like bad things about her, so, and there's other people that said good things about her. I'd really like to interview her myself and, but I, I really want to, I don't know it's because a lot of people have different things to say about her, but then they. They say things about other people I don't agree with either.
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A
Well, she claims she was having an affair with Oswald.
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Right? Right.
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She brought also she brought in here the actual pay stubs from the place she was working, and she was signing off on. On Lee Harvey Oswald's. What was it like when he clocked into work in the morning or something like that? Yeah, she's basically doing it for him. She. She was doing it for him because he was gone and they were having an affair together. So she was covering for him because he was showing up late or whatever. And she brought all these in, like the original ones with like, the actual ink handwriting on.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it lined up perfectly. She was working at that coffee company the same exact time that he was.
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B
So that's definitely has a connection to him there. But I've heard other people say. I've. I've heard other people say that she's like, embellished or, or like, basically like added stuff onto the story over the years that wasn't entirely. Like, she didn't come out right away at the beginning with all this stuff. She's kind of like. And then. So that makes her less credible to certain people. So.
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A
Well, the whole story of. Of Alton Ohner and the research that he was doing to create a bioweapon with that lady. Mary Sherman.
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B
Yeah, Mary Sherman's monkey.
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A
She was literally.
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The cancer viruses 40 and, and all that. It's.
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A
This goes back to the SV40 stuff. And they were using that Linac machine that was in the basement of the New Orleans hospital to turbocharge this SV40 to try to make it more deadly.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And they had a secret lab that was in an apartment in New Orleans where they had all these rats. They were doing this testing on. David Ferry was there. Mary Sherman was there. Oswald was in there.
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B
Yep.
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And basically how when they eventually found Mary Sherman, they found her in the apartment, basically stabbed to death. They had a bunch of knife wounds in her and they, like, lit her apartment on fire.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But then when they came in and actually did the forensic investigation, she had all these knife wounds, one in her heart, one in, like, her stomach, I think in her legs. And. And half of her. Her entire arm and half of her body was missing, which wouldn't have happened in a typical fire like that Doesn't. It doesn't completely dissolve your body. So they're saying what the speculation is or what the. The point. The book Makes is that when she was in the basement of that hospital doing the testing on that Linneck machine, it went off when she was still in there and basically like incinerated half of her body. And so they had to figure out how to cover it up.
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B
Up.
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A
So they put her in the apartment and then. Then they burned the apartment to try to cover the whole story up.
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B
Wow, that's interesting.
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A
Oswald. So Oswald was connected to it. And they wanted Oswald to take this vial of SV40, this bioweapon that they had created. And they wanted for him. They wanted him to go to Cuba to kill Castro.
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B
Right.
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A
And that's why he. That's why he went to Mexico City and tried to defect to Cuba. Cuba. Or try to defect back to the Soviet Union through Cuba, but it ended up not happening. It's a very convoluted story, but it's.
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B
That whole story and the beryllium dust stuff. And there's a number of like, witnesses of the JFK assassination that died. Like they think that they. They basically. Cancer. They cancered them. You know, they killed them with cancer. Like an induced cancer. Rapidly induced cancer. Yeah. That's an interesting side of the whole thing. And David Ferry being interested in all that, he had like lab rats in his apartment and was doing a lot of weird experiments in his own and stuff. So that there's. Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff there. Certainly with that. That Tulane University, I think it was.
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A
Tulane.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, really crazy rabbit hole there to dig down. But Oswald, when he was in New Orleans there doing that stuff, he was also working out of 554 Campsites street, which is an office in. Next to Guy Bannister's office. And Guy Banister was the FBI agent who created the X Files, the file designation X for. For all the UFO stuff. And he investigated like the Maury island incident where he basically showed up to investigate this UFO incident. And there was this other group there of a guy saying that they were from the FBI and that they were there to investigate it. And he's like, well, who are you and why are you here? Here? And they found out this guy wasn't really from the FBI. He was from another agency. And that guy's name was Fred Chrisman. And Fred Christman has been accused of being one of the tramps in Dealey Plaza. Of course, you know, people also say that's E. Howard Hunt or a guy named Chauncey Holt, who. Chauncey Holt came out in like 94 and laid out this whole story. About how he was working for the Los Angeles Stampin Stationery Company which made all the badges for all the, they made the Dallas Police Force badges, they made the Secret Service badges, they made the CIA FBI badges and all that stuff. And he said that his job there was to make fake Secret Service credentials for, for the, the people that were seen around the knoll that identified themselves as Secret Service agents. And he was sent there to Dealy Plaza to deliver those p. You know, to, to the agents and stuff. So that, you know, and for the assassination plot. And he says he also made the fake IDs, the J. Alak Hiddle IDs for, for Oswald and stuff. And a lot of interesting stuff. And then. Yeah, so there's a lot of, you know, interesting stuff there in, in the, in. The JFK assassin, you know, who's a.
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A
An absolute mastermind in the whole history of this stuff is Danny Sheehan.
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B
Danny. Yeah, Danny Sheehan is, is, is. I, I've met him. I met him out at, in LA a couple months ago.
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A
He interviewed.
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B
He's directly involved with the guys.
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A
Oh yeah, he was directly involved with a lot of people. He interviewed.
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B
Yeah yeah.
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A
Trafficante about this.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And how that's all connected to the stuff at Watergate because they caught the dudes in that were in Watergate.
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B
Yes.
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A
Who had receipts to that bank in, in Mexico City which was the same bank they used to pay the Cuban assassins that Danny says were the ones that trained to kill the President. And. Yes, and when Nixon was talking to Richard Helms, I believe, or somebody close to Nixon, his advisor was on the phone with Richard Helms.
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B
Operation Mongoose. And then Operation Mongoose turned the heft.
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A
The head of the FBI was trying to investigate that receipt and investigate that bank in Mexico City. And then the. Nixon's White House, Nixon's advisor, whoever the. I forget, somebody basically got in touch with him, got on the phone with the FBI guy and Richard Helms at the same time and said put the kibosh on this investigation because if this comes out, if you guys peel back the skin on this, it's going to open up a hornet's nest of about jfk, so leave it alone.
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B
Well, I guess what they told him is that it was, it was the Russians and that if this could basically open up the whole open like nuclear war with Russia is basically, if you come up with this, you're going to start a nuclear war with Russia. And that's how they got, that's how they got Warren Judge or a Warren to get. Go along with the whole, you know, to basically go along with the COVID up. Apparently that's, that's, that's one theory about why he, he, he was told to go along with all this is because he said if this stuff comes out about the Mexico City thing, you know, it's going to link back to the Russian embassy and link to, to, to Russia and then.
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A
Well, I think, I think Nixon was also really worried that it was going to try to connect him to the JFK assassination because he was in Dallas.
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B
Nixon, he was at the Bottlers convention.
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A
Right. But Danny Sheen doesn't believe that he had anything to do with it. He thinks it was all, he thinks it was all the Joint Chiefs of Staff that were trying to, they were literally trying to create a full, full on nuclear war. They wanted to nuke China and Russia. Russia.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like all that, that was the one point in time where we had the most and they had the least as far as nuclear weapons like we had. That was our peak of stockpile and that was when Russia had the, the fewest amount. So the j. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had multiple meetings called PSYOP meetings. Not psyop. Yeah, sciop. And they were. Robert Kennedy was in these meetings and it was all about trying to basically nuke Russia and China. Kennedy wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. Neither did Robert Kennedy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And he was trying to stop it. And at the same time he was trying to pull everybody out of Vietnam.
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B
And have talks with Kushnev and, and all that.
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A
Yeah. And that's this guy John. That's where this other guy, John Newman, who is like one of the most world renowned researchers on jfk. In fact, every book that's ever been written about jfk, all the top books, all the top authors, you can even talk to Oliver Stone.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They'll say all the number one sold books on jfk. They don't actually go back and read the JFK files. What they do is they research John Newman's work. Work. Yeah, for this stuff. And John Newman was a consultant on the original JFK film with Oliver Stone and he. I did a bunch of podcasts with him. He is a freaking encycloped. It's a walking encyclopedia on all of this stuff, man. He's got it all documented and he. Yeah. Anyways, he basically his theory is that it was a, a military coup.
- [120:02]
B
Well, how does it connect to the. Because this, this aerospace involved elements involved in both the JFK and the RFK assassination. That was Thane Eugene.
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A
He doesn't know anything. He doesn't say anything about that. He doesn't say anything about. Because there's, there's, that's the thing about jfk. There's so many different flavors of jfk. People who think he was killed because of aliens, people think he was killed because of Israelis. One of the nuke. There's people who, there's so many different conspiracy theories about why JFK was killed. But John Newman, who is like the leading authority on the history of all this stuff, who's read every single page of every single document on jfk.
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B
Yeah.
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A
For what it's worth, I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just saying based on that fact, his theory is it was a, it was a military coup because the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted a full out nuclear war and they wanted to continue.
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B
The war in Vietnam and they, they hated Kennedy because of the whole Bay of Pigs invasion. They got a bunch of the people that were involved. The leftover from the, the leftover soldiers from the Bay of Pigs, you know, form the Operation Mongoose group. And then that went into form interpen.
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A
Yep.
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B
With Jerry Heming and, and that other guy that trained them down. I, I wish I could remember these names right now, but yeah, there's a, that's a whole nother rabbit hole. And, but I really think that a lot of it's connected because D. Harold Bird worked for, you know, D Harold Burrow, owned the Schoolbook Depository building. He's a oil millionaire, oil billionaire in Texas. Connected with Howard, you know, Clint Murchison and the Hunt Hunt and also Jack Alston Crichton who I talked about before. These guys all in the same kind of cabal and circle D. Harold Byrd took the window out of the Schoolbook Depository building that Oswald shot the President from and put it in his trophy room. He had a bunch of elephant, he went elephant hunting right after the assassination. He went to Africa and shot a bunch of African elephants and hung their heads on his wall in his big trophy room. They had all, all these, you know, all these exotic animals that he had shot and killed and taxidermied. And inside his trophy room with all those animals that he'd killed is, is the window from this Texas School Book Depository Building. Isn't that a little weird?
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A
That's really weird.
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B
That's really weird. And he also was an investor in a company called Ling Temco. Vaught and Vought Aircraft were the ones that built a lot of the flying saucers for Wright Patterson Air Force base back in the 40s, 40s and 50s. So there is a strong aerospace and UFO element to the whole JFK story that very definitely exists. And some researchers don't pay any attention to it. They won't talk about it. They won't make those connections or they say that it's not relevant or not important. And they take their own flavor on the assassination, everyone. And then there's the people that use it at all for their grift or their political, political propaganda and stuff and their own version of all that. And that happens with all the conspiracy theories out there. And that's one reason I think we don't need any more conspiracy theories. What we need is facts. And we need like real investigations. We need real, real serious investigators to dig through these things because we don't know what happened in on the JFK assassination. That was 60 years ago. We also don't know what happened with this Epstein thing. And we don't know what happened on 9 11.
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A
Well, here's the thing. We don't know exactly what happened happen, but we know basically who was involved and we know that it was a conspiracy.
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B
Right.
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A
People conspired to kill jfk. We know that. We know it. We know it wasn't the government narrative. We know one thing we do know about all these things is the government's lying about it.
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B
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And they covered it up and, and, and they called us conspiracy theorists for asking questions and said that we.
- [123:41]
A
That's why I think that turn. That term's run its course, I think.
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B
Yeah. Well, I think if you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, then then you're probably exactly. Just not paying attention. Exactly. You know. Yeah. So. Yeah, yeah. This is just so much stuff. Let's. But I want to, I want to get into a couple key points because we started off talking. We, we just kind of went all over the place here, man.
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A
Yeah, let's actually, I take a leak real quick. Let's take a quick break.
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B
Let's take a break. And I want to come back to some.
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A
Let's get right back on track.
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B
Yeah.
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A
All right. We are back, folks.
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B
There's so much still to cover, man. There's so much still to talk about with secret science, you know, space exploration, conspiracies, government accountability, the Department of Justice, you know. You know, you know that whole Promise software thing was, was originally developed under a contract from the doj. The Department of Justice were the ones like that funded that whole. The creation of that software. Is it called Prosecutor Management Manager management information system software. Right. Something like that is what promise stood for.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it was for. It was made for prosecutors to be able to like, manage files and all that stuff.
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A
Court records and stuff. Right.
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B
Yeah, because it's. I mean, that's how the CIA started. Allen Dulles and his brother ran a law firm before, you know, before they, you know, created and set up the whole CIA. They were lawyers who ran a law firm. So a lot of this stuff is based around laws, legality, and what you can do to get away and how to get away with. And they knew a lot about laws, about how you get away with stuff, how you beat cases, how you can manipulate the law and how you can manipulate the structure of the law. And a lot of the CIA's what it does is hire lawyers to research laws in other countries so they can find out what they can get away with and how to run these operations as best they can. And of course, every once in a while you have to have agents that commit crimes in other countries and sometimes they get caught. You know, that was weird. You're with the.
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A
My pyramid just broke.
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B
It was doing anti gravity until like.
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A
Yeah, right. Is that, Is that. Is this the bi field brown effect?
- [125:50]
B
No, this is.
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A
Have you ever seen one of these?
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B
If you take a magnet and you rotate it fast enough, it doesn't have time to relax. I think there's a. There's a spinning rotating magnet in the bottom base of that and it creates a. A feel where it never quite. It can never quite stabilize itself. So. So it never. It. It just. As soon as it recorrects it, it gets recorrected on the other side. And that will happen if you, if you spin magnets fast enough. Magnetic effect with spinning magnets. Yeah, and it's to do with the, the that relaxation time and not being able to correct itself.
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A
Right.
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B
Yeah, that's. It's not true anti gravity, unfortunately, we've been on the hunt for that and for quite a long time and haven't been able to. To discover that. That and been real helpful if. If Bob Lazar could give us some of that element. 115.
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A
Yeah, we talk. So we talked about Bob Lazar on your first podcast here, and you basically pointed out all like the weird things about his past, like his first wife committed suicide in her garage.
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B
That was awesome. You brought that up on Rogan. I did. And he was like talking about. But. And listen in his responses. I have everything I want to say in. In. In response to, to everything he said. Because are you.
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A
So what is your position? Is your position still the same on Bob's are.
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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A
I, You. You. You think he never was at Area 51.
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B
He. He was never at Area 51. He was at Los Alamos. He was at the. He was at the.
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A
So you think he's making up all this stuff. It's a, it's an elaborate lie that he's kept the same overall, this. Over all these years.
- [127:19]
B
He was at the Meson physics facility. But his, his first wife, I mean, you know, he, he talks to. He. You know, Rogan talks about his ex. His. His. His ex wife, but he, he doesn't talk about that. It was his second wife. He's talking about Tracy. And he'. Jeremy Corbell's narrative on this stuff, which is, you know, well, my thing about.
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A
I, I've. I've come around on Babazar now. I think that if the CIA wanted to find somebody to get into their program to. Or not, even if it wasn't CIA, even it was like some secret, secret Lockheed or whatever, if they wanted to bring in people to sort of crack this problem or help them figure out how to fly these crafts that they've tried. They're trying to reverse engineers. Engineer, right. And you have this guy who is put strapping rockets to the back of cars, doing all this crazy stuff, really smart stuff, understands physics and all this crap. Hold on.
- [128:14]
B
He didn't strap the rock to his. He wasn't the first about the. The rockets came from his neighbor, Eugene Glue Hare, when he lived on Martha street in Forest Hills, California.
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A
Right.
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B
So the same time, that was the same period he was allegedly taking courses at MIT and going to MIT as part of the secret program program. But we found through actual, you know, school records that he was taking physics courses from Dr. Bill Duxler at Pierce Junior College in Woodland Hills, California, during the time he says he was going to mit. You don't go to Pierce Junior College if you can get it. You go into mit. It doesn't. That doesn't add up.
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A
So it's clear that, yeah, there was. There was some weird college in California.
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B
Yes, Pierce Junior College.
- [128:52]
A
What was the story with that college again? It was like they, it was shut down because of some scheme or something. No, they were selling.
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B
That was on court records in his 1991 pandering case and out of Las Vegas. Okay. That was for the brothel that he set up. And by the way, I got this wrong on the last podcast. I want to correct myself. There were two brothels There was a legal brothel called the Crystal Cove. And there was an illegal brothel called the Honeysuckle Ranch. And the Honeysuckle Ranch was the one where he set up the CCTV TV cameras inside. All the buildings were recording the prostitutes having sex with the johns and then trying to use that sexual blackmail to blackmail the johns. Very similar to what Epstein did. Right. So Bob, how do you know this? This. It's all in his 1991 conviction. It's all in court documents. He's.
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A
It's all documented in court records that he was.
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B
All documented. George Knapp talks about this.
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A
Honeysuckle Ranch was a legal brothel in Nevada in which Bob Lazar reportedly had had partial ownership stake.
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B
Okay, I got him wrong. So look up the Crystal Cove then.
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A
Crystal Cove.
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B
That was the other one. I got them mixed up. Yeah. So there was two brothels that he ran. And these are all in the court documents. They have the name of the. The madness.
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A
No mention of a Crystal Cove. I'll keep looking.
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B
It's in. It's in the. It's. That's the name of it. I don't know if it's. If it's in there, but I know that.
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A
And he was. It was in the court documents that he was recording it with camera. Recording the prostitutes having sex with John's.
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B
Yes, in the 1991 conviction case. Okay, so that's that. Okay, so I don't have to speculate on whether he did this or that. I don't need to speculate. Danny, in Joe Rogan, the proof that Joe Rogan showed to you that Bob Lazar was a scientist and really knows science and he's not a liar. He said this is the proof that Bob Lazar is not a liar and that he is really smart guy who knows science and he said, bring up that hydrogen car video, Joe. Jamie, let's watch that hydrogen car video. And that's so funny that he brought that video up, but I really wish he had played the end of the video, the whole thing, and not just that beginning where he's showing off the hydrogen car. Because Bob Lazar actually lies twice, provably in that video. He lies once when he claims that metal hydride is not dangerous and that it's only regulated by the government because they don't want people get using hydrogen cars and stuff. Okay, you read the MSDS safe Material Safety data sheet on lithium hydride. It's fucking dangerous stuff, man. It's. It's definitely dangerous and should be regulated. So he lies about that. The second Point, he lies. He claims that he made all the lithium hydride in that car that he's driving in his particle accelerator to show. And he shows up the particle accelerator. So if you have a particle accelerator and you, you're creating, you know, you're smashing atoms to get protons together one at a time, you're creating one atom of lithium. You need 10 to the 23 to have a mole Avogadro's number. To have a usable amount of this of, to create a usable amount of lithium in a particle accelerator, you would need 10 to the 23 reactions. So if you had one reaction every millisecond, right. It would still take you 40,000 some years to produce even just a gram of lithium. Lithium. But he claims he made it all in his, in his particle accelerator, right? That's a lie, bro.
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A
So even if, if I'm, if I'm the CIA or if I'm some secretive organization that wants to help crack this problem of anti gravity and UFOs, wouldn't I want to find some guy who has the potential to help us with this problem, who also has this back. The super shady background of brothels, the wife who committed suicide, all this other stuff to, if he ever spilled the beans, we could easily deny him. Because people would say, using their logic, why would they ever hire this crazy guy doing all this wacky. They would never do that. Of course they wouldn't do that.
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B
Here's one reason or possibility of how and why they might do that. You look at the year before Bob Lazar came out. In 1988, there was a thing called UFO TV. And this aviary group came out this shady. It's called the UFO Aviary. And you can look this up. This group came forward with all their faces blacked out. One, the top guy called himself Condor and Falcon and, and Owl and Owl was supposedly Hal put off and then Pelican and they all had like nicknames of birds name and they call themselves the Aviary. And they were all coming out with UFO disclosure. And they basically said a lot of the same stuff Bob Lazar was saying the year before. They talked about, they, they talked about, they Talked about the UFOs in the government bible that all like that was the name of Bob Lazar's first documentary was UFOs in the government Bible. And that was literally like the UFO.
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A
Aviary Group, the government bible.
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B
And that was supposedly run by this. You know, a lot of people think that was basically a disinformation op that was run by Richard Doty. You know, you know who Richard Doty is? A mirage man. Right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so other people have an idea that maybe Richard Doty set up this little operation where they brought in this guy Bob Lazar. They knew they. They were watching John Lear knew that John Lear. They, John Lear had gone out the year, a couple years before when. And taken pictures of a 50, like a. A Russian MiG on the tarmac out there on Area 51. And it had the pictures of it. And he. So John Lee Lear was, you know, this guy who was taught, you know, they knew he was too loud. They knew he was a blabber mouth. They. John Lear went on the record with George Knapp the year before, like right before Bob Lazar came out with his story. And, and you can look up on the record with George Knapp and John Lear. John Lear gives the whole Bob Lazar story a year before Bob ever even met Bob. And this was. This is like, right. Bob meets John Lear after that through Gene Huff, who brings him to his house to do a house appraisal. They trade it. They. They measure. You know, Bob Lazar is described as the guy there holding the tape measure, you know, measuring the house and taking the pictures and developing the. The pictures with his photo processing lab for. For Gene Huff, who ran this real estate business where he published the ads in the. In the paper in Las Vegas. And they went to John Lear's house apparently, and when he found out, he started talking about UFOs and all this stuff and they traded him a. A house appraisal for all stuff, all his Billy Meier tapes. This is, this is in the history. This is them talking about where they first met and how they all got together. And, you know, it's. It's possible that Bob Lazar, you know, meets John Leary. He's working as his photo processor guy. He just came from Los Alamos, was working at Los Alamos for a while and then had moved to Las Vegas where he. He's. He's just running this photo processing business and trying to get started out and on his feet. Feet. He. It's an interesting story because he, you know, he's got the ex wife. The ex wife dies mysteriously. She. She. You know, the, the tailpipe in the garage. You know, the, the as. As. As. As asphyxiation. Yeah. And then he marries his other wife, Tracy.
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A
He married her when they were still.
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B
Before she was still alive. Like they're still alive. And then it didn't get like he. Like he did like a pseudo marriage, but then didn't actually put the paperwork and everything through till after his other wife was dead. So there's this whole weird disconnect there. And I don't believe his whole story that, you know, about him sneaking away in the middle of the night to go. To go away and work on this thing. He was sneaking away because he's running a brothel and he has to go away at hours of the night. And the Area 50 one thing was the excuse he was giving to his wife at time the same the time of where he had to go every night.
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Steve, did you find this stuff about the brothel? Oh, yeah, it's called Newport Cove Prostitution. Okay. Bob Lazar, a figure known for his claims about alien spacecraft and his involved in the US Government, was also involved in a prostitution ring in Newport Cove, Las Vegas. According to court records, Lazar helped set up the business of a known of a known prostitute, Tony Bullock, and took at least 50% share of her fee. He also kept computer records of customers and was interested in recruiting other women in the operation. Lazar's involvement in this ring was part of a broader pattern of criminal activity, including an illegal prostitution ring and a criminal racket involving dangerous chemicals. The case against Lazar was a felony charge of pandering and eventually pleaded guilty.
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B
So let's talk about the chemical that the racket of the dangerous chemicals. So he was ran. He used to run a festival called Desert Blast out in Las Vegas where everyone would come together and blow off fireworks out in the desert. It was this private invite only kind of festival event and everyone used to go out and blow off fireworks out in the desert. And around that time is when they started cracking down on a lot of the explosives. You used to be able to buy ammonium nitrate and tons of fertilizer without any FBI record or any trail or paper trail. And then after a lot of these terrorist events and stuff, they started cracking down on the ability of regular people to buy these sorts of chemicals that could be used in the manufacture of explosives or bombs, bomb making materials essentially. And so the only people that could buy those materials or chemicals from a chemical distribution company would be if you were another chemical distribution company or a school or university, someone with, you know, credentials to be able to buy these things. So what Bob did is he created a company called United Nuclear.
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A
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B
And that gave him a company where he could then order all these chemicals and then sell them to people and distribute them. And that's basically how he made a lot of his money. That's basically, you know, his, that was his big thing, you know, was. Was supplying a lot of exploit. It started with just acquiring explosives materials for people for that Desert Blast Festival and then grew into a much broader business, right? And he was busted and kicked out of Las Vegas. He had to move the operation to Michigan. They got kicked out of Michigan. They've been raided. And so this whole FBI rated him and the, his. He's been raided so many times. United Nuclear has been raised raided multiple, multiple times by the FBI or the atf. And the ATF for, for violations of, of laws for the dangerous chemicals that he, he distributes. And, and so it's, and that. That is again enlisted.
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A
And they claim it's because he has the element 115 or something.
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B
Well, Jeremy Corbell tried to claim that in his documentary, and that's why I just don't trust that guy. And I think that, I think that him being on Rogan six times is. And being so closely connected with counterintelligence agent Lou Elizondo, I think that, you know, Jeremy Corbell was coached by Lou, and whether he realizes or not, he, he basically. They controlled the narrative on Joe Rogan, man. They, they, they set Joe Rogan up with the, with all this stuff, man. I really feel like it because you look at. You look at. You look at it.
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A
I don't know how did.
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B
Joe Rogan hasn't had anyone else in you for connected to any UFO stuff, But, but, but, but Bob Lazaro.
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A
What are you talking about, bro? He literally just had Jacques Vallee, Jesse Michael, me. He has everybody on. He had, he's had a lot of.
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B
These guys on, but. Yeah, he's had, he's had a lot of these guys on. You're right.
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A
To be fair, when I watched the episode with him and, and Lou Elizondo, I didn't get the sense Joe was buying a lot of his.
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B
Yeah, no, I know, I know he's not buying that stuff, but, man, I just, it bothers me that, that I would just love the opportunity to debate Jeremy Corbell, like, you know, he did. He gave Flint Dibble the opportunity to come on and debate Graham Hancock, you know, on the show. I would love a chance to debate.
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A
We'll see if we can get Jeremy in here. We'll get him to debate you in here.
- [141:21]
B
He won't do it. He won't do it. I guarantee you he won't. He'll run scared and he'll make up excuses. That dude is so afraid of me.
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A
On Bob Lazar, he wrote letter to.
- [141:31]
B
Gene Huff and told Gene Huff not to talk to me and then to completely ghost me. And Gene Huff sent me the email.
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A
Got to get to the bottom of this. We got. We got to figure out what's going on.
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B
I really feel like he's. I feel like Jeremy Corbell came from nowhere to being the. This UFO authority with his own show.
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A
Everybody says about everybody, though, everybody. Anybody who gets any sort of notoriety or sort of like, spotlight in any topic, they get. Everyone. Everybody. You have to. You have to. You have to step back from it for a second and just that's. That's the way most people describe most peop. Most other folks who. They think there's some sort of connection to intelligence or conspiracy behind it. Like, they say, oh, you got. You rise to prominence out of nowhere. That's really suspicious. I wonder how that happened. And, like, even. It's the same thing with me, with how everybody. Everybody is accusing everybody online of being a CIA, Fed or something like that.
- [142:29]
B
Right. That's what Kelly Chase just did with you.
- [142:31]
A
Right. And I used to do that with people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I used to be like. I used to think like certain podcasters or certain people, like, that guy's got to be funded by the Mossad or CIA or whatever. And I see the same thing happening to me where all these people claiming me.
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B
The same thing happen to you and cognitive dissonance is.
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A
Is insane. And it's. If I was the intelligence community, it only benefits them if everybody's pointing fingers at everybody else. Else. Because nobody knows what's real.
- [143:00]
B
Well, I'm not saying that he's the. He's like. He's an egomaniac and a, you know, a. A pompous ignoramus who. Jeremy Corbell. No, no, I was. Sorry, I wasn't. No, I'm not talking about. I was talking about Jeremy Corbell like that, so. And that's why we really feel about Jeremy.
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A
Look, there's this guy, Andrew Bus. Joe.
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B
I have a lot of respect for it. I have a lot of respect for Joe because he's spoke out against Covid and all that. Yeah, everybody else wasn't. And, man, he. He's sorry. He's. He's one of the real ones, for sure. I don't. You know, and again, we. We don't all have to agree with everything all the time. And you can't be like, oh, this guy doesn't agree with me on that, so therefore, he must be an agent. Because I had the same thing the last time. I had a million views on the last podcast when I came on this podcast, and half the comments are people. This guy's definitely a fed. Oh, come on.
- [143:49]
A
A lot of those people are probably bots. A lot of these people, they just are so out of touch with stuff. They just want to talk. Most people. People. Most people online. And I see it all the time. Like, if I didn't have personal experience with this stuff, I would probably be in that camp where it's like, everything's evil. But there's this guy, Andrew Bustamante, who I had on my podcast years ago. Everybody thinks that he's paid by the CIA to go on podcasts to promote the CIA narrative.
- [144:18]
B
Right.
- [144:18]
A
And he. And it's like, that's super suspicious how he blew up like this. I think he was a plan. Can't. Let me tell you.
- [144:25]
B
I think the algorithms do it for you.
- [144:26]
A
Let me tell you the truth about how this happened.
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B
Yeah.
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A
My friend Matt Cox, who is a true crime writer who was in prison for mortgage fraud.
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B
Yeah.
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A
He was trying to. He wrote a book about some stuff, and he used this guy, Andrew Bustamante, who lived in St. Pete, as a source for his book. He asked him. He reached out to him and said, hey, can I meet you and get some corroboration on the story that I'm writing? And Andrew Bustamante met with him, agreed to do it. And Matt kept coming to me saying, dude, you gotta have this guy on your podcast. He's so interesting. He's handsome, he's smart. He used to be in the CIA. It'd be a great podcast for you, bro. And I was like, what? Who? I'm like, I don't. I don't give a. About this. I don't want to talk to this guy. What do I care?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I wasn't interested in that stuff at the time. This was when I first started the podcast, Right. A year later, he's like, dude, come on. Are you ready to have him on you? I think it'd be. I think it'd be interesting. I think you'd like, like him. And I was like, eh, I'll. I'll think about it. I brushed it off forever.
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B
Yeah.
- [145:20]
A
And then one week, six months later, a year and a half later, I was like, we had a guest schedule to come in, who had to reschedule. Last minute. I called up Matt. I'm like, hey, who's that guy? The CIA guy, that Boost Monte guy? Can you get him in here? Or whatever? He's like, yeah, let gave me his number, called him up. He's like, I'll be in there tomorrow.
- [145:34]
B
Yeah.
- [145:35]
A
Came in, episode blew up, did a million views, like a week. And then he started going on every single. Everyone started reaching out to him after.
- [145:42]
B
He went on your podcast.
- [145:43]
A
He's got good tapes, so people wanted him on. He went on every podcast anyone ever asked him to go on, and he blew up.
- [145:49]
B
That's crazy because, like, I went on your podcast and I'm like, where. Where are all the invites? How come I'm not.
- [145:53]
A
It was the most organic thing ever. But people, the narrative is that he was a plant. That he's a plant.
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B
Yeah.
- [145:59]
A
You know, and if I didn't have that, if I did. Wasn't me, and I had. Didn't have, like, the real perspective of what actually happened, I would think he was a plant. Plant too.
- [146:07]
B
You know who else really blew up because of your podcast and then accused you of being a CIA agent? Who? And like, it was Ashton Forbes. Man. That was crazy. Yeah, because he, like, he had posted a comment on Twitter, like, unhinged, saying, like, oh, these. Oh, he was saying, like, I. I have the comment that I saved. This is like, the last time I was like, I'm like, I'm done with this guy now. Like, because he's. He literally said. Said that it must be the intelligence community you're working for that set him up on your podcast with the corridor crew guys. Right. So let's set that for the record straight. Who. Who told you to have Ashton Forbes on your podcast with the corridor crew and bring those guys on with him?
- [146:50]
A
That was you, right?
- [146:50]
B
It was me, Yes. I. I contacted you and I asked you. I'm like, dude, I'm not an expert in cgi. I'm not an expert.
- [146:59]
A
Before he came in, I called you and asked you your opinion on it.
- [147:01]
B
Yeah. And I. I said, for.
- [147:02]
A
For the record, any UFO person I ever have on this podcast, I always call Jeremy to get his opinion and to get his feedback on it before I have the person in.
- [147:10]
B
Oh, man, they just blew up.
- [147:13]
A
He just Blew the, like, like, like when I recently had Greer on here.
- [147:17]
B
Yeah.
- [147:18]
A
I called you first and I, I wanted to.
- [147:19]
B
I wish you had asked him because he, he, his response to the 54 claim that they figured out antigravity in 54 and you pushed that a little bit. And then he said, oh, it must be the Bifeld Brown effect. And then, then he ended with it's classified because it couldn't have been the Biefeld Brown effect in 54. And I want to point that out because 1956 to 1959, Bonson Labs was funding Biefeld Brown's research. So if they had already cracked this in 54, why fund it in 56?
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A
Right, right.
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B
It doesn't make sense. So his narrative falls apart right there. It's gone. John Lear's father was in the videos of the Bonson Labs footage. He visited the lab, saw those experiments. You can see Bryce and Cecil do it from the 57 Chapel Hill Conference. They're there. They show up at, at Bonson Labs. They're in the footage. It's in the archival footage from the 50s, man.
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A
Yeah.
- [148:10]
B
So they couldn't have figured it out in 54, man. And, but this is why I wish, I wish you had that to, to hit him with. But, but you. Ah, it's too bad.
- [148:18]
A
The strange thing about, about Greer is his connection to Danny Sheehan. How Danny Sheehan I think represents him and Alexander Bondo.
- [148:26]
B
It's weird how a Jesuit priest, a high ranking Jesuit priest is so embedded in.
- [148:32]
A
He's a priest. He's not a priest.
- [148:35]
B
He's a high ranking Jesuit like lawyer. And I don't know if he's a priest.
- [148:38]
A
He's a Jesuit. He's not a priest, he's a lawyer.
- [148:40]
B
Yeah. So maybe he's a little, maybe I got that wrong. But he's this, it's very interesting like that whole connection and you know, and I, I can't wait. You know what? I'm going in. The parent might be a priest.
- [148:50]
A
I don't know. Ask Rock.
- [148:52]
B
I thought I'd heard that. But you know, he's doing good work with the Paradigm Research Institute and they're really trying to get this UAP disclosure stuff out because there's, and you know, we really need is the hearings on the science and stuff because you know, sitting there and talking about these UFO videos and Arrow and it's all the wrong approach to the topic. It's the. If you want to get Congress interested in UFOs, you got to talk money, man. Let's let's talk dollar signs. Let's talk. Let's talk technology. Let's talk future jobs. You know, what's in it for the American people? Is there an economy here? Can we declassify some of this stuff and get some jobs going? Can we boost the economy, man? Because groceries and gas and everything out there, it's a weird place right now to try to work and stay afloat. Man. Paying $3 for a soda at the gas station now. Everything's so, so expensive.
- [149:47]
A
Did you see Trump's trying to get pure cane sugar back into coke?
- [149:52]
B
Well, I just want my five grand that, that we're all promised like we were going to get five grand from the government. I still haven't seen that money, you know, so I.
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A
Five grand?
- [150:01]
B
Yeah, we were all supposed to get five grand from the government. For what? Just for. For nothing. For like as repay. For covet or something, I thought. But anyways, the. Yeah, the whole sugar back and coke, that's a good thing, you know, Make America healthy. Make America healthy again. We need that high. That high. Fructose corn syrup's bad stuff. It's. It's bad for your teeth. It's bad for your, you know, your heart and, and liver. So it's. It's not good. It.
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A
Bro, did you hear about RFK's new pick for the head of the CDC?
- [150:32]
B
No, I have not seen this. What is.
- [150:33]
A
She's a part of allegedly DARPA's health wing.
- [150:39]
B
Didn't DARPA create the COVID vaccine?
- [150:41]
A
Let me send you. I got to send this thing to you. Steve, Steve, there's this whole thread on Twitter about this which is absolutely bananas.
- [150:49]
B
Yeah, there's a lot.
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A
This lady. Just look her up. Look up, look up RFK's pick for head of CDC and it'll have this. It should have her name. Let me see if I can find it. I thought I texted myself a link to this thread.
- [151:11]
B
Yeah, look, I'll look that up later. My wife's more all interested in all that stuff too because we have a. She has a vaccine injured child and so she's very outspoken on. On all that stuff.
- [151:23]
A
Maybe I texted it to you, Steve. I'm looking. I always text and I can.
- [151:30]
B
I will have to look into that. And you know.
- [151:34]
A
Susan Monarch is. Look her up. Let me see a picture of her.
- [151:42]
B
Cuz I really thought we were going to get some, you know, accountability for Fouchy and. And Gates.
- [151:48]
A
I don't know if that's her. Do you see the Peru mummies? The three Fingered mummies. They found in Peru that with the one, one had a fetus inside of it.
- [151:55]
B
The Haime Masan stuff, man, you know?
- [151:57]
A
No, this. I don't think this is Haim stuff. This is a new one.
- [152:00]
B
This is a different.
- [152:01]
A
They found different one. They found. They found these three fingered pregnant mummies. Mummies. And it had 32 vertebrae. One had a fetus inside of it, it had big eye sockets.
- [152:11]
B
Well, because if, If I, If I had real mummies, they think the best thing I would do, if I had. If I knew, if they were. If I knew someone had real mummies in and I. And I knew that they were going to come out, the best thing you could do is create fake ones and give them to a guy like Jaime Masson to bring to a UFO hearing in Mexico.
- [152:30]
A
I don't think this one has anything to do with.
- [152:32]
B
Well, this is an interesting thing because this is a strategy I think, I believe was used because that Wall Street Journal just came out with that article with that letter from Trump, right? And that's bullshit. You know what I mean? This is what I think. This is what I really think happened. And this is an intelligence move that's brilliant. And I think it's played over and over again. And people aren't. No one in the mainstream media has fought this or brought it up or been like, nobody should be aware of this. But they. There's. If someone has kompromat on you, what you do is you create fake kompromat. That's the same exact thing. You release it ahead of them and then you debunk it publicly. So that way when the real stuff comes out, everyone will be like, oh, I already heard this story. It's already been debunked. It loses all its news value, right? It's done. So the same thing you could have done with the mummies, right? If someone had real alien bodies, you put a bunch of fake ones out and you hype people up like me with this fake stuff. And I got so fed up with the alien mummies, I won't even look at that stuff anymore, right? I won't even pay any attention to it anymore because those people harass me non stop. You're the alien scientists. How can you not think these mummies real? Because they look fake as fuck. Because.
- [153:40]
A
Well, pull up, Steve, pull up the video, the, the Instagram video, the alien mummies that I texted you earlier. So that's because this shit is super compelling to me. This is not the same shit that Jamie was doing.
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B
Oh, this Is not the original. Investigators of the three fingered mummies became visibly emotional when he saw it. A three fingered beast being chiseled into the rock. Thousands of years ago. When I visited Maria, I saw no apparent signs of manipulation on the hands or the feet.
- [154:04]
A
One of the mummies has a fetus.
- [154:05]
B
Inside and rumors are starting to. That's a lot better than the eggs are. Saying the fetus also have three fingers. I contacted the lawyer of the American oh, that's way better than the other one I saw who told me that the current imaging isn't good enough to say either way whether or not the fetus has three fingers. Some notable oddities regarding the mummy dummies. Maria has 32 vertebrae, while most humans have 33. Not an impossible anomaly, but still notable. Maria has abnormally large eye sockets and a protruding mouth. Dr. Zuniga told me that the metal implants had organic tissue fused to them, indicating that they were alive whenever these were placed. This is a process called osseointegration and.
- [154:45]
A
It takes about half a year to fully complete.
- [154:47]
B
If these are fake, then this would be one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. If they're real, this would be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. I'm an independent journalist.
- [154:56]
A
Allegedly. They think this is just like I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this and he. I think he went down there to look at this stuff and he did. I think he did a whole documentary he's working on.
- [155:03]
B
Yeah, they had all those guys out at.
- [155:05]
A
They think it's a. Just a. There. So there's 20 different species of hominids that have been discovered. Right. Five of those have been discovered in the last 10 years. Years. So they think this is a new species of hominid that's just being discovered? Possibly. Not necessarily. It might not be alien.
- [155:20]
B
Yeah, it could be like a Australopithecine or a Homo erectus, but three fingers.
- [155:25]
A
Three fingers, yeah.
- [155:27]
B
That's weird. Yeah.
- [155:27]
A
Tract really strange, bro.
- [155:30]
B
Yeah, Yeah. I don't know, man. That's. Again, I'm, I'm more of into the physics and the biology kind of stuff, but that one looks much better than the, the, the ones we saw at the, the Congressional.
- [155:43]
A
The Mexico hearing.
- [155:44]
B
Mexico hearing, yeah. Yeah. So for.
- [155:46]
A
Here's the. Why do they always powdered. Here's the Mexico ones that they were. Turns out that they were fraud, right?
- [155:55]
B
Yeah, yeah. They had a llama skull that they mutilated and turned around and. Yeah, there's a whole bunch. A bunch of people exposed to chicken this Thing.
- [156:01]
A
I think it's very interesting because it's this first pop that when the anatomy 17, 20, 18. And now we're talking about it again.
- [156:09]
B
Oh.
- [156:09]
A
Oh, that is interesting.
- [156:11]
B
So this fits into my, this fits into my thing. If you have a real thing you're worried about getting out, you scoop it with the fake one. So that way when people see the real stuff, they, they think it's the fake thing and they don't even want to pay any attention to it. And I think that, that, that might be possibly what happened. This is exactly what Karl Rove did with George Bush's National Guard files during the 2000 election. That, that he, he, he won. Right. So they knew that those National Guard files from Texas were about to drop and a journalist was working on the story. They was about to drop it. So what Karl Rove did is he created a bunch of fake documents and then released it in a big story. They came out and debunked that story. And then when the real story hit, it went nowhere. And nobody paid attention to it. Nobody cared because they were like, oh, this has been debunked already. So that would be a 4D chess move on Trump's part. If he knew there in fact existed a letter between him and Epstein that was compromising, this would be the best way to do it. And then you sue the reporter that, yo, I'm going to sue you, but I'm paying you to do this anyway. So we're, it's all, it's all for show. I, I don't know. That's where I think happens.
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A
Here's an interesting thing about the whole Trump thing. Right. Elon has been, he was the first one to basically call him out. Right. About. He's in the Trump, he's in the Epstein files and all this stuff and he's still doing it. He even said Bannon's in it. So we know Trump sues anybody and everybody.
- [157:31]
B
Yeah.
- [157:31]
A
Who talks about, about him.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Or says anything that's a lie about him.
- [157:34]
B
Yeah.
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A
In his eyes. Why didn't he sue Elon?
- [157:38]
B
Why didn't he sue Elon?
- [157:40]
A
Why didn't he sue Elon?
- [157:41]
B
Why is there that case that was thrown out with the 14 year old girl Katie there?
- [157:47]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [157:48]
B
With him and Epstein 2016 case. Nobody's really talking about that. Crazy. So, I mean, is it possible. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense that everyone in the whole system. System is compromised and, and under the same kind of, under the same kind of umbrella, this octopus.
- [158:06]
A
I think that's that's the most likely scenario.
- [158:08]
B
Yeah, I think it. I think it. It makes sense with.
- [158:11]
A
What's it possible that Trump called his lawyers when Epstein dropped all this, and his lawyer said, we can't do that because then they're going to call discovery and they're going to have to bring all this evidence into discovery. Yeah, you don't want that. Is that possible? Or would it be sealed anyways?
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Again, I don't know all the exact circumstances, but I really think that there's much more going on there. Especially when Elon said that. When Elon said it. I've been saying it first. I said this back in, right when Epstein killed himself. I was like, this is.
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A
You think he killed himself?
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B
Actually, when he first happened, I was thinking that they snuck him out of there alive. And the way that I would do it if I was an intelligence operation, is I would give him detrototoxin and then he would register as dead, just like the voodoo. This is the pufferfish chemical that voodoo people use. Oh, yeah, right where they put the goat to sleep, and then it comes back from the dead. The zombie goats.
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A
It paralyzes you.
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B
Yeah, it paralyzes your nervous system and. And then you. But you're not dead.
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A
Exactly.
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B
And so they could have given him the Detroito toxin, the pufferfish toxin, and then pronounced him dead at the hospital. And then when he goes to the morgue, they do a body switch, and then, boom, he goes to Israel in some secret bunker somewhere. And. Yeah, so he very well could still be alive. There's no proof of what happened to him. And they covered up those two minutes of the tape. They proved that it was edited in Adobe Premiere. Premiere. And.
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A
Oh, yeah, they did. Did they actually. Did they actually prove that, Steve? They found the metadata to show that. I'll find the article, but basically, it looked like it was not original.
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B
That's some crazy stuff, man.
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A
Is it possible that he's still alive and living in Leslie Wexner's house in Ohio?
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B
Oh, I didn't. I don't.
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A
Have you seen a picture of Leslie Wexner's house in Ohio? It's the size of a city, and he's got a pool that's the size of a small ocean. Look up. Yeah. Find a photo of that.
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B
And where's all the photos from the inside of the. I wanna. I wanna know about also?
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A
I mean, the photo that they released of his cell right after he allegedly killed himself is not the same cell that's in the video footage. It's A completely different part of. Of the prison. H. It's just strange, bro. It's so strange. There's Wesley Wexler. Lesley Les Wexner. Les W E X N E R Wex. His first name is Leslie. Top left, top left, top left.
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B
That's it.
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A
Not Wesley. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Blow that up. Why did it get cross?
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B
He's like Lex Luthor as what I call.
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A
That's his house in Ohio. It's like a convent. It's insane. So he could. Epstein could totally be there, bro. And then there's also all these. Israel brings in all these piles to escape perjury, to escape their convictions there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
There's, like, all these articles of how Israel basically is sheltering people that have been convicted of crimes involving pedophile Ophelia.
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B
Just amazing that our Justice Department's doing the same thing.
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A
And right after he got con. Right after he got convicted, he literally went to Israel.
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B
Yeah, He.
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A
He was in Israel the whole time. And then he shuttled all of his money to Israel as well.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then gave Leslie Wexner. He sent him, like, 54 million or something like this. How the hell did he get away with that? Dude? Is this the video about the stuff being modified? Well, it's not a video.
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B
It's just a.
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A
Showing that the metadata was definitely modified. Right. Likely. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Again, that. That prison. Something happened then, and when it happened, I was, like, convinced that, you know, Trump was part of the whole Epstein thing. And I was saying that, you know, that there's all these pictures of Trump with Epstein. Like, there is. I'm convinced that he's part of this, that he's down with this. And I had a bunch of close friends of mine, they were like, dude, no, Trump's good. He kicked. He kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago. He didn't want nothing to do with Epstein or any of this stuff. I'm like, dude, he was at his house, like, three days a week, like, in New York. And, like, yeah, you know what? Who do I believe? But I had all these people telling me, you know, my good friends of mine and stuff, too, like, telling me, don't. Don't. Don't pick that. You know, just stay away from that. And. And I did. I did. I backed off it. Maybe I shouldn't have. But. No, people weren't ready to hear that back then either. So it's. It's.
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A
Yeah, It's a catch 22. We're in. Because, like I said in the beginning to Tim Dillon, take that it's. This country is basically, pick your favorite pile. This aligns with my views. This for stopping climate change.
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B
It's like, would we be like, would.
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A
The country be better if Kamala won? I don't know. I don't think so.
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B
No.
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A
I don't know. Is Trump. Trump's not doing anything that he said. I mean, he's continuing the wars. But the problem. Problem is, is he is most. It seems like, again, not making any accusations, but it seems like he is just bending over backwards for Netanyahu and.
- [163:31]
B
Well, Wall street, too. He's got, you know, he's got Howard Lutnick on his right arm.
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A
If you want to. If you want to go by Occam's razor, we know Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli access agent.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Trump's doing all of Israel's bidding. It's far.
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B
Yeah, it's.
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A
It's pretty out in the open.
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B
Yeah. It, it can. It. I think you're right. You know, and when I first looked into whole, the, like, the 911 stuff, there's. I was just. I thought that the Israel connection was like, you know, anti Semitic. I grew up right near Sharon, Mass. And I have a lot of Jewish friends.
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A
You know, I grew up among tons of Jewish people. I have tons of Jewish friends.
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B
And I was just like, this is all anti Semitism.
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A
I didn't, you know, this is, this is. Here's, here's a great Julian Dory take.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Just. You can't calling Jewish people or Israelis anti calling.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They don't, they don't believe. They're against everything Netanyahu and his government is doing.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's the same thing as saying that me and you are associated with Dick Cheney and George Bush. Right. Me and you want nothing to do with those people. We're still Americans. Like, Netanyahu is like, he got like, what, 25%, 30% approval.
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B
That's the thing, is because the Jewish state of Israel, the corruption exists at the top of this pyramid within this and these groups that literally operate through blackmail networks. So in order to put people in power, and everyone in power is blackmailed by these groups. But then who's really controlling it behind the scenes? Is it really just these 13 banking families of the Illuminati that have been controlling every. Everything for the last 2000 years through the Knights Templar and all the. These secret societies? Or is it, you know, or is it. Is it aliens? What is it? Who's controlling. Who's really controlling the government? Because, I mean, interdimensional Child molesters turning the frogs gay. It was true, you know, with the atrazine.
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A
You know, how the hell did. How the hell did Alex Jones predict 9, 11.
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B
So. So he was listening to Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper was predicted at first. You know, William Cooper knew all about this stuff. He was saying, you know, Osama bin Laden's going to hit this country. And don't. You know, I think that he. I think he might have got it from Bill Cooper. And also, I know Ted. I don't know. Ted Gunderson was one of Alex Jones's big sources on a lot of that stuff for a number of years, too. Former FBI agent Ted Gunderson. I'm not sure where Alex got it from. I would. Would. I would. I'd be interested. Has anyone ever asked him that question where he. Where he got the foreknowledge, probably to predict that.
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A
The thing with Alex Jones is he just. He throws so much at the wall, like, yeah, something's gonna. Bound to stick every once in a.
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B
While, you know, that was.
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A
I'm sure he got. No one pays attention to the. You know, I'm sure he gets a ton of wrong, but you only pay attention when he gets right. Right. Like he got the.
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B
Well, look at Nostradamus. He made a lot of. A lot of predictions, you know, but people like. Oh, well, he was. Made some right ones, so it must be. Yeah, but I think. I think it's whiskey time.
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A
You want some whiskey?
- [166:39]
B
I think. Well, dude, it's. It's time to. It's time to. It's time to, like, wind. Well, Well, I was saying, you. You offered it me first. Said, we'll wind this down.
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A
I'll go grab it. I'll be right back.
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B
All right, we're back, man.
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A
Go. S.
- [166:57]
B
Yeah, not too much. Not too much. Just a little. Just a taste, you know, I just want a little sip together. This is how Joe Rogan does it on. On the show.
- [167:05]
A
Yeah. Except he smokes cigars. We're not allowed to smoke cigars in here.
- [167:09]
B
You know, and that's too bad, because.
- [167:10]
A
Are we allowed to in the new place?
- [167:12]
B
Well, you're gonna have to have me on again, bro.
- [167:14]
A
Oh, of course.
- [167:15]
B
And I. I brought you some of the. I brought you some bud from the best dispensary in Rhode Island.
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A
Did you really?
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B
Yeah.
- [167:22]
A
Wow.
- [167:22]
B
Mother Earth.
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A
Yeah, thank you.
- [167:24]
B
Yeah. Mother Earth. And Pak is. And I got. I got you some real good buds. So we'll. We'll. We'll enjoy. Indulge in that after the show. I Wish we could now, but that's, that's all right.
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A
We'll cheers.
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B
Cheers. And yeah, so, man, I guess you're right. And, and you know, I, I, I've, I've, I've. It is a little bit of jealousy, I think, when you see some of these other people get on these shows and you've been doing this so long and you know so much more than these people, and you're like, how the hell did this person, like, succeed? And they're just, you know, they don't know what the hell they're talking about.
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A
Right.
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B
That, that's an issue. But, and then guys like we're saying about, you know, getting accused of yourselves being in I. People saying that you're a useful idiot or that I'm a useful idiot or that I'm a gatekeeper because I work with this engineering and physics group to basically vet and verify exotic technologies or free energy devices. And I guess it's like, so I could see how some people could perceive it that way. But at the end of the day, you need real scientists to verify stuff because there's so many people making bullshit claims on the Internet. How, how can you know that what's real or what's not without, without experimental verification and some sort of sounding board or authority to, you know, obviously there's problems with that. A lot of people have problems with the authorities in science. You know, it's, it's the topic of many podcasts. All the scientists are lying to us, the government's lying to us, all this stuff. So how do we find the truth? Truth in a world where everyone's lying to us, everyone's trying to deceive us, everyone's trying to give us bad information or lead us down a wrong path. I think it's a very difficult place to be, and especially when there are powerful people who pay entire organizations large amounts of money to cover up the truth. That's what we saw happen with Arrow. What UAP Grub uncovered with Arrow is that they gave like $30 million to a company called SanCorp, which specializes in perception management and running, you know, bot farms and stuff like that. So, wow, that was a really weird find in the contracts. And that was a real eye opener for me personally. And the other eye opener was that, you know, Arrow was set up, it was run by Kirkpatrick, but Kirkpatrick reported to Moultrie, Ronald Moultrie. Who was that? That was the black guy from the first Pentagon hearing with Scott Bray. Right. And turns out Moultrie scrubbed his Resume before that press conference, that UAP hearing and what he removed from his resume was all his past work for Battelle, that he was, you know, an employee of Battelle, maybe even a director of Battelle, I think. And Battelle, of course, is the legacy program that everyone accuses of being the grandfather of the UFO cover up. Because they made the most classified components of the atomic bomb, the demon cores, the plutonium core at the center of the atomic bomb. They were the metallurgists. They had the metallurgy experts to do all that. And they're the company. If you found UFO metals or materials in 1947, they would be the ones you would call. Right. It makes sense that it would go to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, the top of the command there, and then outsource it from Wright Patterson to nearby Dayton, Ohio, at Patel with the metallurgy experts, the guys that were experts in the titanium alloys for tank armor. And you have this stuff that you don't know what it is. Well, they hired a scientist right in 49. It's all in the papers. And he, Elroy center, and in the papers, he creates a method for dissolving pieces of. In carbon tetrachloride. Sorry. Yeah, carbon tetrachloride, which is, you know, super powerful chlorine. And you'd only develop something like that if you had something that was indestructible that you wanted to be able to identify, because they basically, you dissolve it in this stuff, and then you measure the off gases, you burn it, and you measure the off gases, and you can tell what it's missing, made out of. And that was in the papers in 49 of what Battelle was developing for all this stuff. And Elroy center told MUFON directors in, like, in the 80s that he was hired by Battelle to work on UFO technology and given pieces of metals which he thought were not from this world, which is crazy to think that this is somewhere they're learning what they can from this stuff. Slowly through the scientists, they've figured out that, you know, metamaterials, they figured out quasicrystals. A lot of this nanotechnology is based on the actual quantum structure of how these things are put together. And they gain a lot of their properties for how they're put together. And a lot of the science we're under, from what I understand, how a lot of this more advanced physics works, is really understanding the true nature of quantum entanglement. Entanglement. And that's something that you know Bryce DeWitt, again with DeWitt and Wheeler. John Archibald Wheeler, who was metallurgist, did a lot of work for Battelle during those times. These guys were the foundational in setting up a lot of the framework of that early physics that they came up with the idea to explain quantum entanglement. They came up with the idea of quantum non locality. Locality. Quantum nonlocality says that in the quantum world there's no space, it's all a function of the same stuff and that everything's connected on the quantum level over vast distances across the universe. It's all connected quantumly, that we're all connected basically quantumly and that if you can entangle something, it doesn't matter if it's separated by huge distances. You could essentially create a wormhole through space. This er equals EPR entanglement. Einstein Rosenbridge equals the Einstein Podolsky Rosen paradox in physics, which this EPR paradox and the solution to that is that you create an Einstein Rosen bridge. And then the idea is that if you can do that, you could potentially warp drive and teleport stuff. So there's definitely been scientists looking into this stuff and you know, the Lockheed Matterwave patents, that stuff is all very real. I just don't know how deep it goes and how much of it is out there to convince the public that we have stuff that we don't really have. But then you look at that F47 with all the metamaterial coatings and the, the smooth surfaces and stuff, and you got to wonder, man, they gotta have some stuff, man.
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A
What do you think about Catherine Fitz? You know who she is?
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B
Yeah, she's like a Bush economist or something, right?
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A
She's a Bush economist who basically said that all the missing money, starting with Donald Rumsfeld talking about it before 9 11, the missing 2 trillion, and now it's ballooned to 21 trillion. She's been trying to find what, where that is. And she thinks she saw, she noticed as soon as all that money started missing at the same time, same time, all these offshore accounts started ballooning at the same time.
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B
Right.
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A
So she thinks that because that stuff's missing from the receipts, she doesn't think it's just missing, she thinks it's just not being accounted for because it's going to black projects. And she thinks that that could potentially be the money possibly went to some sort of like dark physics programs, anti gravity stuff, UFOs. She, you know, her overarching theory on this is that the central bankers, the, the people that run the globe basically are using all this money to try to figure out how to create a. A breakaway civilization in case of like a cataclysm or something like this, so they can escape the earth.
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B
And that's the thing that's dangerous, man. I. I was a little worried about coming on and talking about all this, these 911 connections and all this stuff, because if all this stuff comes out, these people have underground bunkers. They have railway systems, they have the Denver airport with all this underground stuff. They have a whole doomsday plan. They could just flip a switch and go into their bunkers. Man, if shit really gets crazy and hits the fan, they think they're all going down. I don't know what these people are capable of. They've had billions of dollars untraced and unaccounted for decades. And they've been doing all the secret stuff they call. I mean, goes back to this whole core government group. Peter Dale Scott wrote about it, the Continuity of Government program. And that group was in Dallas and ready to go into action should Johnson and Kennedy both go down. They had a whole system ready to go up and in place to ensure there was a government and who runs that government and who's in charge of all that. And then a lot of that goes back again to the 488th Intelligence Squadron and StratCom, which is, you know, and NORAD, right. NorthCom, all that stuff, it's all connected to this network. They have all these secret places where they can fly the President to.
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A
Have you seen the doomsday plane?
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B
The doomsday planes. The doomsday planes were flying on 9 11. So the people in charge of the money at the Pentagon. Pentagon are interesting because those.
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A
You pull up the doomsday plane, the E4B.
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B
And those planes were spotted over the Pentagon on 911, were they? The E4B. And that doesn't take off unless, you.
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A
Know, they're shielded for nuclear blasts. They're. They're able to withstand a nuclear blast and all the radiation and stuff like this. They're like super shielded and they actually have these antennas that they can drop outside the plane that they can drag these antennas outside the plane so that in the case that all like satellites and there's like an effect. These, these lines that they drop out of the plane can somehow like tap into some sort of like, radio frequency where they can actually communicate with the outside world and like broadcast stuff.
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B
Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. So when you talk about the Pentagon and the financial parts of all this, because 911 was a financial crime. I'm absolutely convinced with the 2.3 trillion that was missing that you just pointed, pointed out the people in charge at the Pentagon. You have the comptroller of the Pentagon, Dov Zakheim. He ran a company called Systems Planning Corporation International. Systems Planning Corporation International had a subsidiary called Tri Data Corporation. And if you look up the 1993 World Trade center bombing, the official report of the structural, the integrity of the building after the bombing took place, they had the engineers come in, assess all the damage that was done, figure out how big the bomb was, how much damage it did, and then they did assess the damage and then modified the building and repaired the building. They repaired the building. So in order to do that, they had to have gotten access to all the blueprints and all the engineering details of the building. So they Knew exactly from 1993 how to bring those towers down. And that was the company Tri Data Corp. Which was a subsidiary of sbc, which the owner of that company was the comptroller of the Pentagon on 9 11. So these connections are very curious. When you're looking at the financial crimes of 9 11, you're taking into account all the CEOs that worked in the towers that day that missed work. And it wasn't just Larry Silverstein and Howard Lutnick. You had Jim Pierce of Aon Corporation. He had all three. The leadership at Marsha McLennan, which was the big one, because Craig Stapleton is the vice president, the president of Marshall McLennan. He's good friends with the Bush, with George W. Bush. They were involved in the Texas Rangers deal together. They're very well connected. You also have El Paul Bremer, who misses work the day at 911 to go on MSNBC and tell everyone that Osama bin Laden was responsible and also possibly Iraq in Iran very early on, before anyone knew what was going on. He's like the guy telling the whole official narrative on mainstream tv. He goes on to become the Iraq War occupation governor. Okay, Bush had first picked. His first pick was going to be Bernard Kerik. Bernard Kerik was the New York City police commissioner on 9 11. So that's a whole nother interesting rabbit hole because Bernard Kerik is connected to, to, of course, Rudy Giuliani. They're the guys that hyped up Trump for January 6th. They're the ones that hyped up January 6th. They were the Kerrick and Rudy Giuliani were the two main cheerleaders for the whole January 6th thing. And then Rudy Giuliani's got all these weird connections because he started out as a New York City prosecutor. Okay? And the case. The last case that he prosecuted for the State of New York York was the state case against bcci, the bank of Credit and Commerce International.
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Epstein's connected to them, which is, of.
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B
Course, the whole Iran Contra network that Epstein was connected to.
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A
Yep.
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B
And then. So who's in charge of the prosecution against that case? Rudy Giuliani. That case fails. It doesn't go anywhere. Rudy Giuliani quits the prosecutorship and he goes to work for a law firm called White and Kid. Now, White and Case was the law firm that represented BCCI during the hearings. Is that a conflict of interest? If you're a prosecutor, you botch a case and then you go work for the people that. On the other side. I mean, isn't this the whole issue that lots of people had with Maureen Comey being the prosecutor in both the Epstein cases and the Diddy cases?
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A
Didn't she just get fired?
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B
She should have been arrested. That's not enough. That's bullshit. 5 Fire her. She should be arrested and charged, man. This is conspiracy on the utmost level to cover up massive crimes, man.
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A
It's. It's so weird that the. The whole connection to the Diddy thing, you know, like, because the Diddy thing, I. I don't see any sort of. Any sort of, like, benefit for intelligence. I mean, maybe I'm missing something. But the Diddy thing is. To me, it seems like it was like a big distraction, you know, because almost the Epstein thing was legit, legitimate underage kids. Their files, right? Like these, these. They were trafficking underage girls, like, in the big.
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B
When I saw the big news article with the FBI raid where they seized 40,000 bottles of baby oil from Diddy's, I was like, this is.
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A
Right? And here's like, the thing about. The thing about the Diddy thing, which is. Again, so this is. This is a Gavin McGinnis take, which I fully agree with. The whole thing about Diddy is they had parties and these girls were of age. They weren't underage girls, and they were going there on their own. It's the same thing with Harvey Weinstein. It's like the guy. The. The. They. They didn't ask girls, like, okay, what kind of cage were you locked in? Oh, you weren't locked in a cage. You were going home every night. Oh, that's interesting. Well, what did the. What did the police say then? Oh, you didn't go to the police, like, get the out of here it's.
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B
People looking for attention after the fact.
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A
Diddy was doing this. I don't care what male prostitute you had to drink off his back. Like I, I assumed you were doing all that stuff like show me an underage girl that is forced into having sex with somebody and then I'm pissed off. Then you murder them and bury them under the prison. Right? Yeah, if it's some Jeffrey Epstein type. But the Diddy parties like get the out of here. I don't want to hear about that.
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B
Yeah. If it's consensual and it's like these.
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A
Are people that are trying to get, they're, they're, they're in Hollywood. They're trying to climb the ladder of wealth and fame. It's like the Harvey Weinstein thing. Another Gavin McGinnis take. But I think is, I think is.
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B
Unpopular but it's great slavery.
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A
It's like, it's like what was the lady who accused Weinstein of making her blow him. So he made me suck his. Because if I didn't I wouldn't get the role in the movie. Well, what would you do if Harvey Weinstein said, said suck my. I'll give you a role in the movie. Oh well, I guess I'll find another trade. Guess I won't be in a bunch of movies.
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B
Yeah, you know, right. You have that choice. Right. I guess. You know, I, you could sell your soul, sell your, you know, your body. But it again there, Prostitution's illegal and there's a certain aspect of like where it's almost like a modern day slavery. It's like they're taking these poor people that want to be part of, of this, you know, bigger group and, and, and, and get out of that their situation and they, they like they're taking advantage of those people. It's, it's not, it's not the best thing, but it's not, it's not as bad as blackmailing our politicians who write our laws and, and you know, run our country. That's, that's a whole nother level of corruption and, and evil. You know that takes a whole nother level to then use, use that kompromat to manipulate you know, politics and manipulate world, world affairs, you know.
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A
Yeah. And, and, and it. Public opinion is not doing for, for as, as good as Israel is an espionage and the Mossad being the number one intelligence agency in the world and being so effective at doing everything they do, they really are bad at PR because the, the public sentiment against Israel right now, the discourse on Online. It could never be. It's never been worse, in my opinion.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't know how much of it's bots. I don't know how much of it's organic. See, a lot of it does seem inorganic, but like, people are more aware now than ever of all of the things, you know, every way that America is bending over for Israel, like sending them billions of dollars every year, not making them register as a foreign agent with their lobby in Congress and not telling them to stop blackmailing our politics, politicians, you know.
- [186:13]
B
Yeah.
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A
And, and Trump, he, he is like, it's so out of character for him because he's usually able to like, take the temperature of the public and he can read the people and, and on any issue. But it seems like with this Israel issue and this Epstein issue, he's like just deaf, deaf, blind and dumb d to it. It's like he's not, it seems maybe now he's like, okay, all the public pressure, we're finally going to release this stuff. I don't know what exactly he said, but I think he said they're finally going to try to release all. He's going to ask Pam Bondi to.
- [186:46]
B
Release all this stuff on a Democrat hoax.
- [186:48]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's the Democrats, the liberal, the far left created the Epstein files. Yeah.
- [186:54]
B
Dividing people over the issue as much as he can to try to split people up on their.
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A
But, but really they're both, they're both compromised. I'm sorry, the left and the right, everybody's compromised. It's a unipro party and everybody, everybody's on those Epstein files.
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Well, I come from, you know, demo hell up in, in Rhode island and I. A lot of Democrats in my family are. We're united on this whole issue of the Epstein files and getting the truth out about this. It's, it's like a unifying issue for both parties. So the fact that he's trying to divide. He's just divided his whole base up. Even Tim Pool and, and, and Alex Jones, they're all like, Yep, they're all denouncing him.
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And, and Tucker, who, who campaigned, basically campaigned for him. Rogan. Rogan endorsed him. Rogan's calling it out. Rogan's questioning it.
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I mean, Tucker's doing great work with Kurt Weldon on and, and having all these, these.
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See the interview that he did with Ted Cruz?
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B
I didn't see that one yet.
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No, you gotta watch that one. That one's pretty, pretty eye opening.
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Yeah. Huh. I have to check that out next. Yeah, yeah.
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Ted Cruz basically said that like, his number one goal in Congress was to support and push forward the goals of Israel. Wow.
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Yeah. Well, it's, it's sort of, it's sort of crazy how, where all this stuff ended up. And definitely Israel was involved with Robert Maxwell. He was, they were, you know, key to his whole, I mean, how did they get, how did they steal the Promise software and then get it to Robert Maxwell? And there's so many connections there and then they're to trying, trying to cut all these threads and blur all the lines so that people can't make these connections and really put all this together and then also really hit us hard with a bad economy so that everyone's struggling so bad they don't have time to really look at anything else but their own affairs. So it's a really crazy time right now to be alive. It's just nuts. Seen all this come to a head and, and I, I just imagine what all these, you know, people of the past would think looking at this now. You know, like, you know what I mean? Like the people that like, oh, this will never come out now that they see they didn't predict the Internet. I don't even think that the, the intelligence agencies really realized the power of the Internet when they, when they gave.
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It to the public, when they created it.
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Well, they created it. They didn't, when they created it, certainly they didn't realize they, the power of it because they would never let it out to the public if they, if they did, you know, they would have never let us have this. You know, they would, it would have kept it just for themselves, you know, and now they're really trying to create this Internet too, with the net neutrality, the, the censorship stuff and the algorithmic, you know, corralling and shadow banning of, of, of a lot of the, the material. You know, it doesn't show up in the algorithm. Certain keywords are censored as we talked about with it, with the AI and you try to search certain stuff, it's like it won't connect those dots or it purp those lines until you ask it specific questions. And then it's like, oh, yeah, I was wrong. I made a mistake. Did you really make a mistake or did something or someone program you to do that? And that's certainly an interesting question to look at. And something we should do more of in the future is finding those three threads that, that the AI has been programmed to cut because it's, there's going to be a lot of interesting connections there. But man, what else, what else? What else should we get into, man? We covered a lot of stuff.
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I think we covered a ton, bro. I don't know what else there is.
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I did want to talk a little bit about, about what happens if someone in my group, I have all these engineers and physicists who working with private investors to try to produce anti gravity or free energy devices. What would I do tomorrow if, say, someone in my group cracked the. This stuff and we're like, dude, we got it. We figured this out. What do I do at that point? How would I get that out to the public without it being suppressed or without getting whacked? Without getting whacked? Yeah. How? That's what I want to know.
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Have you thought about it?
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Yeah, I've thought a lot about it because we've been working on this. This is what I've been working towards for the last decade.
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What do you think you would do?
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Well, I'd have to simultaneously release it through as many tractors, trusted podcasts and other contacts as possible. Like, simultaneously. I think I'd have to like, give a copy to you, give a copy to, you know, everyone I know, you know, and say, hey, you know, if anything happens to me, this is why, you know, or something. You know, I, I feel like, I feel like it might happen. You know, what happens in the next cut, you know, a couple of months if we get a successful experiment in one of these things? Like, how do I bring that out to, to people and, and show it?
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A
Isn't there some sort of law that exists to where, like, the government can claim ownership of like, some sort of new discovery or like some sort of new scientific revelation?
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Yes. So the Trading in the under with the enemies act, it's also the. There's. There's a law called. Sorry, I'm drawing a blank. I need another.
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Get some of that truth serum.
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All right, so there's. The law is actually itar, International Traffic and Arms Regulation. Right. ITAR or etar. And it, it's export control technology. It's export control laws is what it's basically. It's like you're not allowed to export classified details of technical information and stuff. Of course, if we found this in our labs and created it in our own lab, it wouldn't be classified, so to speak.
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Right, right.
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But there are still laws that exist. They can come in and scoop in on something like that and say, no, no, no, no, no. This is, this is too dangerous to let out. We're going to put the kibosh on this. And actually, what's interesting is that all of our national labs have patent holding companies that operate in. So if scientists working on our labs make a discovery, they can capture those discoveries or patents and hold it inside these holding companies. And all of our national labs are managed by Battelle Memorial Institute. They manage most all of our. I think there's one Lincoln Labs, I don't think is managed by Battelle. There's a couple other ones that aren't. But most all of our national labs, like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Sandia, they're all managed by Battelle. And so if someone discovers something remarkable or revolutionary at these labs, they're going to come in and scoop that technology up and suppress it.
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Right.
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And so that's why we've like, oh, we've created this independent group of scientists and we'll try to get, you know, figure out as much about these technologies as we can and see if we can't replicate this in the public domain and get it out to the public so that, you know, we can declassify, get the ball rolling on disclosure and declassification and stuff. Because, man, I, I really want to live in a future where my kids can go to other planets and, and they don't have. They have something more to look forward to than, you know, living in this world where, where, where we treat children the way we do. Yeah, it's.
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If you think they're covering up all this secret stuff and they figured out a lot of it, why do you think they're still hiding it? What do you think they're trying to. What do you think their goal is?
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Their goal is, of course, like, from a strategic standpoint is, you know, the same reason that the Greeks didn't disclose. The Byzantines didn't disclose the Greek fire. Right? They didn't. The Greek fire is still a secret. We don't really understand or know.
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What is the Greek fire?
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Greek fire, look it up. It's. It's this substance. They think it was a refined petroleum oil, like gasoline or kerosene mixed with some other things, but they don't know the exact recipe and they were never able to figure it out. But the Greek fire was. The Greeks and the Byzantines used to have this flamethrowers, ancient flamethrowers.
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Can you find a description, Steve?
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And I think it was very similar to gasoline because it, like, it would float. It was a. It was very effective against ships at sea because the fire would float on top of the water and it would burn on Top of water, you know.
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So the exact composition of Greek fire remains a mystery, but it's known for its ability to burn on water and the resistance to extinguish with water.
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B
So that's an example of ancient technology that was classified. And it's. Because it was so secretive, it's still. It's currently unknown.
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Right. For war.
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It's for war purpose. Yeah, it's for war, man. It's the. This isn't Sun Zoo. This is the art of War, man. You got to have. You got to outsmart your enemy and you got to have better something they don't have. And it's all about the information control.
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A
But you don't think these things like the Tic Tac and these videos, like these go Fast videos and all these things. You don't think any of this stuff's military tech.
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The Tic Tac looks a lot like. I have two main hypothesis. My two primary hypotheses for the Tic Tac are, number one, spoofing technology. Like laser induced plasmas. Like the talking plasma balls, Pentagon talking plasma balls that I showed you about on the last time I was on the podcast. Right. They can project and do a lot of these spoofing because I asked that the top special projects manager out of Area 51 about this when he was on my show, TD Barnes. And TD Barnes said that this is all our spoofing stuff. It's all ECCMs, electronic counter countermeasures.
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Right.
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And this is what he worked on at Area 51. So he's an expert on it. He knows stuff that he couldn't even talk and tell me about. About these, these things. But he said we're really good. He said we're really good at spoofing the. This stuff. We're really good at this. So, yeah, TD Theodore Barnes, he's head of the Roadrunners organization. He's legit, legit, worked at Area 51. I asked him about Ball Lazar Sue. He said bald Lazar never worked out there. But it's in my interview with him. But he thinks that they're plasma spoofing balls. That's what his. But that's what he worked on. So that's why he'd think that because he has a, you know, that's what he worked on.
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Okay.
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He's biased towards. So I have other guys that worked on aerogel, like my, my friend Josh Bertrand, who thought that these were aerogel craft with the aerogels and the aero stats. Basically, yeah.
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And the last time you Were here. You also showed us the patent for the cube inside the sphere.
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That's Project Palladium.
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This is what Ryan Graves talked about seeing and flying next to.
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Right. Which is interesting. That was the East Coast.
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He. Yeah, he was on the east coast. And he. He explained how him and his. The guy he was flying with in a formation, they were flying wing to wing, and they flew right past this thing, which was a cube with a sphere inside of it or a sphere with a cube inside of it. And they went right past it, and they didn't even see it.
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Interesting. You know, again, they have spoofing invisibility technology and all that stuff. The other option I have for, like, a similar shape to the air. The. And also the time period that the. The Tic Tac was seen in the operating location. Right. Look up the E Green Technologies bullet. Type in E. Green Technologies bullet, and you'll find a craft that was built by a company called E. Green Technologies. It was flown in that area and tested out quite a bit in that area during the same exact year. Okay.
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Whoa.
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As this.
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What the fuck?
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So if you get one of these things and look at. Look at the. Look at the structural re. Go back to that last picture. Go back to that last picture. Look at the structural reinforcement on that nose cone. Just imagine how this thing attached this thing to a tether. How fast you could pull this thing on a tether. Right. So you get some rapid acceleration. If you. If you had one of these things pulled on it.
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Go to that one where it's inside the stadium.
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Yeah, that's the size. Yes. You can get. There's a couple different ones that they built of these aerostats and. And these bullet airships. Right. But that will give you a size comparison of how big the thing is. That's like a. A hockey rink. You know, that's like going to the Boston Garden right there. Right.
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That's nuts, dude.
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So you could see how people might, you know, see this thing flying around and be like, oh, what?
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Yeah. You were also explaining to Brett Weinstein on his podcast that they have technology that they can put on the front of something. Like on the front of a. Like a missile. Like some sort of like, cavitational thing.
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Yep.
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That sort of like bends the air around it or something.
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Something type blasting air. Hypersonics. If you.
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Have you seen the videos of those hypersonic missiles that Iran was using against Israel recently?
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I think it's the war zone. The war zone article there in the top left. Yeah, top left. Yep. So this article was by Brett Tingley, who. Honestly, Brett Tingley should have got the interview on Tim Pool instead of me because he, he was. He wrote me afterwards. Like, I don't understand why they invited you on. Wanted to talk about my. My article and my research and stuff. But he's the one I credit with uncovering this stuff and bringing it to my attention because I, I didn't know about a lot of this stuff before.
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Who is he?
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But Brett Tingley is the. Is a journalist who works at the. The War Zone here. And he, He. He digs into a lot of this stuff he's really knowledgeable about. It would be great. I would love to see you get him on the podcast, bro. That would be great.
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Okay.
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But this patent in the, in the article is by a guy named Kevin Kramer. And these guys worked with Lake Marabou. Dr. Lake Marabou, who was the guy from the Star Wars SDI program. He got recruited out of Rensselaer Polytech to work on some of the early Project Sky Vault stuff, which was microwave propulsion that they would shoot micro. They had these microwave lasers from that the Navy built. And they didn't quite know what to do with them. But he'd come up with this idea of some tests. So Dr. Lake Marabou had started this whole company doing all this stuff. And he worked with a bunch of other people. Kevin cremayer and also Dr. Franklin Mead, who's heavily involved with a whole bunch of classified stuff with Hal Puthoff and all these other guys. So, so there's, you know, these scientists are under NDA until 2027. They can't even talk about this stuff. He published a book in Canada called LTI Lightcraft. You can find the book if you look up LTI Lightcraft. The book came out in Canada, and the DoD literally went and bought every single copy of the book. They just bought them all out. Like, no one's buying, like the same thing they did with Operation Dark Heart with, With Anthony Schaeffer's book. Right? Anthony Schaefer had the book Operation Dark Hot, and the. The DOD went and bought out every single publication copy of it. And then. Then they made him republish it and redact everything. And the parts that they made him redact out of his book were. Were the part where he talks about how he briefed Philip Zelikow on Able Danger.
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What's that?
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Able Danger was the terrorist tracking program. That was what should have identified. And that did identify all the terrorists, but. And should have stopped all the 911 terrorists. It should have stopped 911 in his tracks. Was able Danger program. So, yeah, it's kind of crazy. I'm sorry for these side details while we're talking about other things, but it's just interesting. This is not out of, I mean, you look surprised and you're like, the DOD went and bought out every copy of this book. No, they've done it many times. Times with classified stuff that they don't want getting out. This technology was featured on a 1997 television program called Future Fantastic, which involved Jillian, what's her name from the X Files. There, the, the girl from the X Files.
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Jillian Anderson.
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Jillian Anderson was in this and they bought it. They, they, they took this off the air and they, and they, they bought it out. So it's proprietary, so if you repost it on the Internet, you'll get it taken down and flagged. And like, it's, it's totally censored now. But from 97, they were like, they, they came up this, this show called Future Fantastic, and they were like, these are the technologies of the future. We're going to be flying around on these light ships that are going to be pushed around by light and light energy, and it's all going to be light craft. And they were like, you know, basically saying that this was going to be the future. And then they're like, no, wait a minute. We were, we were, we're just kidding. Wow, here's your airplanes and here helicopters and.
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Yeah, you know, it is pretty crazy when you think about it. Like, we're still flying around the same airplanes that we were flying around in, in the 50s. And we haven't, we haven't improved these technologies at all. Like, there's so many technologies, like just like the idea of, of propulsion, like, like, like sucking in air and then blowing it out the back. It's like all these years have gone by. Think, just think of how much we were able to advance since the Civil War 2 when we dropped the nukes on Hiroshima, we were firing muskets. We, we went from firing muskets to dropping atomic bombs in less than a hundred years. And since then we have, we haven't figured out anything else. It seems like, yeah, even like Apollo, like the Apollo program, we figured out how to get to the moon in the, in the late 60s, early 70s. And then that technology just vanished.
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So back, back in the 90s, this guy Cantrowitz, with a K, came up with this concept called the Cantrowitz Limit. And it was for the scramjet. You know, the scramjet was like going to be this super hypersonic. Like this was going to be the. The best jet engine they could ever make. Right. And this was like the ultimate in jet engine technology. And Kantrowitz did all the calculations, all the technical data, and crunched the numbers, and he came up with this limit, and he said, we'll never get above Mach 5, maybe Mach 8 with this scramjet technology. So forcing air through a jet and pushing it out the back, it's not the way to go in the future. And so they said, well, what is. It's these. And it's these surfaces. If you can do that, you don't have to worry about this. And so that was when I believe the technology focus shifted away from the jet tech. Jet jets became the thing of the past. And they were pursuing from that point on in secret a lot of these super surfaces, which again, the F1 47s based on a lot of this. This tech, you know, so that's where we're at publicly. I know there's there's much, much, much, much, much, much more going on in the private sector. There's even stuff that I've learned about. I. I just don't want to talk about why. It's crazy stuff too crazy. Some of it's crazy. Some of it I have talked about. And I'm like, you know, like the half name controversy is one thing that it blows my mind. Because the half name controversy, if you look at that up, it's this isomer that can basically, it's a gamma ray mirror. And if you can create a gamma ray mirror, you can create a gamma ray laser. And if you got a gamma ray laser, you don't need nukes because I can just fry you through the earth with my gamma ray laser.
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Through the earth?
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Yeah. Just point it at wherever I want. Any target, it's just going to flip, fry it completely.
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What do you mean, through the Earth?
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You know, the gamma rays go through everything.
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Oh, and they're shot out of satellites.
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They'Re shot out of. This is the idea behind the. This is again, goes back to Wheeler's work and Teller's work on the. On the hydrogen bomb and also the Project Excalibur idea. Like I remember I mentioned the Project Excalibur, they had the new. That would go off inside this thing that would basically take the energy and focus it and shoot it out of.
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Yeah.
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You know, and that whole shell in. Inside there, that's the classified component of the Excalibur weapon. Was that. It was a Gamma ray mirror, reflector would, which would basically focus and reflect all that energy and shoot it out through a point through using the head hafnium.
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Whoa.
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So that's a crazy thing. When I learned about that, I was like, yo, this is nuts. Because that's like, we don't need nukes. I'm not like, when everyone's like a couple months ago, when everyone's like, oh my God, like we could just die of nuclear war. We're almost going to go to, we, we thought we were going to go to war with Russia. Remember? Like a couple months ago with Nuke, it was like we thought we were on the verge of nuclear war. I'm like, I'm not worried about it because we have stuff better than nukes, bro. Like, like we can, we have technology that goes beyond this and the technology that's going to come out when they have that, if they have teleportation or any of that stuff, I mean, they're gonna, it's, it's, there's gonna have to be some sort of regulatory agency over who has, you know, access to certain technologies and stuff.
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We gotta be worried about nukes though, because the only countries we don't really with are the ones that have nukes.
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And the other thing I won't talk about is the, the Havana Syndrome weapons. So the, you know, you know, I mean, the, how to actually build them and, and how they work so that. Remember that guy that was caught right here in Florida? That guy. There's a Russian spy caught in Florida with one of these devices in his car, the Havana Syndrome weapon.
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What?
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You didn't hear about this? When you didn't hear about this, look up the Russian spy that was caught in, in Florida with the Havana Syndrome weapon in his car.
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How long ago?
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Probably two years ago.
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Did you see the podcast I did with those dudes with the, with the guy, with the Russian guy and then the Harvard guy? Len Bear. Len Bear and Robert Duncan. Oh, it was a podcast with this dude who is experiencing Havana Syndrome. A Russian spy, Vitali Kovalov, was arrested in Florida five years ago. 20, 2020 after a high speed car chase. And during his interrogation, FBI agent later suffered symptoms consistent with the Havana Syndrome, a condition linked to potential directed energy weapons. Cavala Cavalev, who was exposed as an undercover GRU officer, was found with devices that could erase a car's computer data, including GPS records, along with Russian. Okay. Along with a Russian passport and other suspicious items. The FBI agent referred to as Carrie described experiencing severe symptoms including high Pitched drilling noise in her ears, which she believed was caused by the weapon linked to Kavalov's alleged espionage activities.
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Yeah.
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Holy.
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I'm surprised.
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In Florida.
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I know you're right here in the.
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Height of the pandemic.
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How'd I hear about this and not you, man? Because I'm. I'm tuned into this kind of stuff and a little bit more. Yeah, they buried that story, but.
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Yeah, scroll down. 60 minutes.
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The original news article, when it came out, it showed a picture of the weapon.
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Key West.
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Key West. Key West. They showed a wet. They showed a picture of the thing, but it's since been censored. But I.
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Let's see this guy's face.
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Yeah, he looks like a dope.
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Keep going.
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He looks like this dude. I ripped me off for a job recently.
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Wow. What is this? Kovalov had a high level. He was a high level chef in New York and had catered for the rich and famous, all while being suspected of being a Russian spy. Wow.
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Yeah. Crazy, huh?
- [212:19]
A
Holy crap. That's nutty. I never heard about this.
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Well, I'm glad I can share something about you. That's why it happened right here in Florida, which is even crazier that you. You didn't hear about it, but yeah. So that stuff is probably the last thing I'll leave off with, is the Savannah Syndrome weapon stuff. Did you know that Lou Elizondo, the people that were tortured by him under the torture program, reported being tortured by an invisible weapon?
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No.
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They said like this guy was not allowed to sleep. He said every time he would sleep, he'd get hit with the Havana Syndrome weapon. That they have this invisible weapon weapon that would mess with them. So look up microwave auditory effect. Microwave auditory effect. So this was discovered in the. In 60s, I think 68. They, they found this, they had this microwave dish and one of the soldiers was standing in front of it and was like, I hear this clicking in my ear. Why? Why do I hear the clicking in my ear? But if I move, I don't hear it? And I stand in front of the dish, now I hear the clicking in my ear. What's going on?
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Is that the voice to skull stuff?
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This is the voice to skull technique technology. Yes. This is when they figured it out. And a lot of those frequencies are basically resonant frequencies which resonate with biological structures within the body. So the microwave auditory effect. The fray. Microwave hearing effect is. Yeah, because it's. The doctor was. Yeah.
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Is this what we're looking for?
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The scientist? Yes. Dr. Frey was the Scientist? Yep. Cornell University.
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You know when a video looks like this, it's legit.
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Yep.
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Cornell University and a contractor for the Office of Naval research discovered in 1958 that the auditory system responds to electromagnetic energy in a portion of the radio frequency spectrum at low power densities well below that necessary for biological damage. The human auditory system and a table radio, he said, may be one order of magnitude apart in sensitivity in a portion of the radio frequency spectrum. Fry proposed stimulating the nervous system without the damage caused by electrodes. He wrote two papers, Microwave Auditory Effect and the Applications and Human Auditory Response to modulated electromagnetic energy. Dr. Fry's work had obvious implications for covert operations. He synchronized synchronized pulse microwaves with the myocardial rhythm of a frog's heart. The heart stopped beating. Dr. Fry had perfected the induction of heart seizures by beamed electromagnetics. He microwaved cats and found that stimulation of the hypothalamus had a powerful effect on emotions. Frey found that human subjects exposed to 1310 MHz to 1982 MHz microwaves at average power densities of 0, 0.4 to 2 milliwatts per cubic centimeter, perceived auditory sounds. The peak power densities were on the order of 200 to 300 milliwatts per cubic centimeter, and the pulse repetition frequencies varied from 200 to 400 hertz. Dr. Fry referred to this auditory phenomenon as RF or radio frequency sound. The sensation occurred instantaneously at average incident power densities well below that necessary for known biological damage, and appeared to originate from within or near the back of the head. Fry was reluctant to experiment on humans, but others, particularly paperclip scientists, were not. Dr. Ross Eddy worked at UCLA and rigged the brains of lab animals to transmit to a radio receiver, which shot back signals to a device that sparked any behavior desired by the researcher. Dr. Addy worked closely with with Immigra Nazi scientists. After World War II. Addy determined that emotional states and behavior can be remotely influenced merely by placing a subject in an electromagnetic field. By directing a carrier frequency to stimulate the brain and using amplitude modulation to shape the wave to mimic a desired EEG frequency, he was able to impose a 4.5 CPS theta rhythm on his subjects and put them to sleep. Dr. Joseph Sharp and Alan Frost Fry experimented with microwaves, seeking to transmit spoken words directly into the audio cortex via a pulsed microwave analog of the speaker's sound vibration. Indeed, Frye's work in this field, dating back to 1960, gave rise to the so called Fry effect, which is now more commonly referred to as microwave hearing. Within the Pentagon, this ability is known as artificial telepathy. Addie and others have compiled an entire library of frequencies and pulsation rates which can affect the mind and nervous system.
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This is the kind of. That our CIA was doing out at Camp Hero in Montauk. And this is like.
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This is like Stranger things.
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Yeah, stranger things, man. Crazy stuff, man. It's all real.
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A
It's crazy. What do you make of the. That this Jake Barber guy is talking about? Heard of him?
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B
Jake Barber. Didn't he say he was originally hired to go to Stephen Greer's conferences to try to intercept Michael Herrera Whistleblowers, Right?
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A
Yep. He went there to intercept whistleblowers. Yes, exactly.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then he heard Michael Herrera's story on what happened with him, and he said that he knew exactly about that operation, and that's when he decided to flip and help those guys.
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B
Yeah, dude, you. I'm gonna flip. I'm. I'm gonna come out and be a whistleblower now. After I went to go hunt down whistleblowers, now I'm going to be a whistleblower. But what's he blowing the whistle on? The psionics program.
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A
Psionics. What do you make of that stuff?
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B
I mean, that was like. That they realized Lou Elizondo had run out his usefulness in the. In the UFO op. Uhhuh. Okay. Because he went to Congress. They finally got the UFO hearings. He finally gets in front of Congress, and then he shows that crop circle photo. Remember the one. Did you see that? Like. Like this is the guy who's supposedly the Pentagon UFO expert. He's seen all the UFO videos, all the UFO files, and has all the pictures and all the stuff. And this is the best of the best of what? This guy. This guy can't even. This guy's never flown in an airplane before over the Midwest, has never seen one of the. An. A circular pivot irrigation system before. And get the hell out of here. This guy's supposedly an intelligence agent for our government, Right. And he doesn't know what the hell that is.
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A
Right.
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B
That's bullshit. And so everyone, like, his gig was up at that point. They all knew. Like, this guy's been floated as the expert, but he's a counterintelligence guy who's just going to bluff and bluff and bluff and use his bravado and military brass to basically boss everyone around and convince everyone that he's something he's not. But when it comes down to it, in Front of Congress. This is what he produces. It's such an obvious psyop on the American public.
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A
So you think the idea of getting kids and using them to psychically control UFOs and take down UFOs is.
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B
Well, this is all like the Puari School of the, the gifted. This goes to the, you know, these, these, these and these are MK Ultra operations. Like, and they didn't stop then. They still go on now. We still have like this Monroe Institute.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But basically they, there's people online that.
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A
That they try to. A big part of it.
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B
If you're a remote viewer or, or you're involved in any of this, this crazy. They basically like they'll approach you online. You have powers and we need to send you to the school so that you can, you can, can. You know, it's like you feel like you got a letter from the X Men. You know, like, oh, you can go to Professor Xavier's school for the gifted and then you're going to the school. But it's not Professor Xavier. It's friggin Sidney Gottlieb and a bunch of his buddies running MKULTRA experiments on kids. And literally lots of people get sucked into these cults and these cults and it's all MK Ultra, like 2.0.
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A
All these guys are attach themselves to Chris Bledo. Like all, all those. Who was the guy? John Alexander and the other guys, they like befriended him and they're like talking to him, inviting him to all these events and stuff like this. Telling him those orbs are like he's doing something for real.
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B
Yeah. Well, what's weird with, about that is like these guys, supposedly they can summon UFOs on command with, with these abilities. But they, you know, someone pointed out they did an interview with you know, Chris Bledsoe or the dad, I don't know which one. And in the garage, he's got a garage where he. In, in the interview you can see nine different remote control planes all in the background. So this guy's an enthusiast for remote control aircraft and drones.
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A
He brought me and Steve out to the beach across the street from here when he was in town.
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B
Yeah. What's up with that?
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A
He showed us two, two orbs popped out of the water and like started floating. Floating around.
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B
Like what, what was that about? You think he had someone else controlling that for you?
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A
Because I, because I told him where we were going to dinner. I told him the location for our dinner spot like an hour before. And we went and did this after dinner watch.
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B
Because that's what I was wondering. That's what. This is, what people have accused it of. Right?
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A
Look. Look at that. Rewind it.
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B
There's something right on the wall.
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A
Watch this. No, it's not a plane. The thing on the top is a plane.
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B
Yeah, the blink. There's something right on the water. Right on the water.
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A
Thank you.
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B
Thank you. That's what we're looking for. If you could flash for us and I'm getting it. That's your orb there. Right there.
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A
Now watch it fizzle out.
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B
It's still in the camera. It's still in here.
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A
There was a second one that went horse horizontal. Now watch that one going to the left. Yeah, that's not a plane. We saw the one on top blinking is a plane.
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B
What about.
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A
Look at this. Look at this.
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B
Oh, you see it? It's right there. You see it? That is an orb. That is definitely an orb. I'm.
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A
I'm tracking it.
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B
Have you ever done.
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A
It fizzles out to nothing.
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B
Have you ever done.
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A
These things were coming off the horizon, going in weird directions and then disappearing. There was plane traffic that was coming off the Gulf into Tampa airport. We saw the planes. There was tons of planes and coming off. They were all blinking, and they were all following the same path. These things were nothing like the planes. And there's no possible way he put a dude on a dinghy on a boat 100 miles offshore. No.
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B
With a paper lantern, a sky lantern or something.
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A
No way. I've never seen anything like it. I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was.
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B
Do you think he really has the ability to, like, talk to this. These beans in this power and summon these things?
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A
I don't.
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B
That's why. Far out.
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A
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to.
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B
That's weird, because I can't. That's the stuff I can't explain. That's the stuff that really interests me.
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A
I know for a fact those things aren't airplanes.
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B
Right?
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A
And I know for a fact. Unless, like, this guy's super sophisticated and flew in, like, DARPA people to come with him and, like, pull this psyop on me and Steve. But it took, like, an hour and a half before this thing showed up. We were sitting on the beach for, like, two hours.
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B
Really?
- [223:13]
A
Yeah. And after an hour and a half of him, like, meditating and praying to God for these things to show up, they showed up. Off the. Off the.
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B
Maybe I just didn't do it long enough because I've tried this before but I usually like give up after like half hour. And we did the same thing. We actually.
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A
With him.
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B
No, at the, with the UAP hackathon on the uss, on the USS Hornet out in Los Angeles. Out in San Francisco. Francisco. I was there a couple weeks ago with, with Jesse Michaels and Danny Sheen and were you really? And everyone went up to the top deck of the aircraft carrier and we all tried to do the, we all tried to do a CE5 event. We all, we all, we all prac. We all tried to summon one of these things but nothing showed up. And then people started flying their own drones around after a while because everyone was bored. And then they eventually kicked us all off the ship at like late.
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A
Wow.
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B
But yeah, I did that like with, but, but I've never seen one.
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A
Chris Bledsoe.
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B
I'm so jealous.
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A
On his phone every day he posts them on his own Instagram.
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B
So J. I don't know what they are.
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A
It could be some DARPA satellites who know.
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B
Hey man, you know, I. Listen, I'm a scientist. I, and I'm an open minded one. I try to keep an open mind to everything, but I'm really skeptical and I'm really like curious. So I would love to, I would love to see this and, and, and, and bring some experts down if he, if he'd be willing to do it for me, man.
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A
Yeah, I'm sure he would.
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B
Great. That's nuts, dude. I've never seen, I, you know that I've never, never like really seen a definitive thing where I'm like, that's, that's a ufo. And you know what? I'm so jealous because my family went down to this point and they go and see him down in Rhode Island. There's a spot down where they go and watch him and I gotta go down there one, one of these nights and go see it. But apparently they test them on like Tuesday or Wednesdays and I gotta go down there one night. I just haven't made it. But man, you know, I say like we know a lot and it's important to listen to the scientists. And I rely on a lot of other scientists for knowledge too because I don't know the answer. I rely on subject matter experts that do. This is what the government does. This is what DARPA does. DARPA will. And our government, the government, the Pentagon's brain will literally use companies like mtsi. I don't know if you've heard, heard of them. Mtsi, they'll basically a collection of subject matter experts which they'll consult for. You know, if they don't know about this, they'll get a bunch of. They have this collection, this database of all the subject matter expert scientists. So they can go and call these people up and ask about. And I kind of have the same thing. If it's material science, I call my friend Michael. If it's theoretical physics, right. Call David Chester on the floor phone.
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A
David Chester. He, yeah, I had him in. He was great.
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B
Yeah. So I have like this collection of, of individuals that I've met that are just like the top of the their fields and stuff. And it's good to do. It's. That's the way that the government does it. It's a good, it's a good strategy because at the end of the day, you know, you have answers, but you could find the best in the world. They might have a better answer. And then, then when you put it on the Internet and get everyone's opinion, you might find someone else's like like, well, did you know about this?
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A
Right?
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B
Like, oh, you know, so man, so much information is, is able to. I, I honestly I would, you know, someone asked me is like, dude, you, you've been like doing all this work with these scientists and all this stuff. Why, why haven't they killed you yet? And I honestly think that like I've opened up new doors for them. They're like, well, they're kind of like stonewalled and blocked from really getting deeper into this stuff. But I think that like they look at APAC and the stuff that we do, they're with like great interest. Cause they're like, oh wow, you know, like now you're getting fresh brains in on this stuff and getting new ideas and getting more information and stuff. And that's really all I'm about the end of the day. It's going to help humanity, it's going to help us all. And we all have to share this planet together. And it's all about sustainability. Like, we can't continue on this current path. We're going of waste. And the way that we use energy and the way that we create energy because all our energy comes from dead plants from thousands of years ago, from fossil fuels and stuff. So we need different, different forms of energy. We need different forms of propulsion to get us off this planet because obviously, you know, rockets work cool, but they're, they have, they're not getting us to Mars. I don't know if they're going to Elon, you Know, I've watched Elon, Elon did a, has commented on that leak Marabou stuff that the, the, you know, someone asked him actually about that direct, you know, using the microwave propulsion and stuff and he just said that they've looked into it and that the, the costs outweigh the benefits for right right now currently that, that it's just cheaper, it's easier, it's more, it's more economical and effective to just use chemical rockets and, and with SpaceX and everything that, that technology is not there yet, doesn't know if it will be. But at the point that it does change over and, and does become economically and you know, more bang for your buck viable then space, SpaceX might actually look at it and stuff. So you know, I, I would love to talk to Elon and pick his brain, man. That would be. I would love to sit down and have a conversation with SpaceX about all this technology and, and invite them to APEC with, with our scientists and stuff. Because my buddy, he's my buddy, my buddy Gerald said he flew on the plane to Florida, Florida from California with the third in charge of SpaceX and told him about all this stuff and he had no idea. So if that's really the case and, and they're not like any Elon, I, you know, I know my, my account got censored on, on X by the way. My, my. Oh yeah, Twitter account. Alien scientists got taken down off X for what? And I, I got targeted by. I was, I was in a, I was in going through a lot of the last two years, man, and, and, and I was in a. I was pretty angry at a lot of stuff and I think that they had a lot of these AI bots that they targeted on me and one of them was this, One of them was this. I don't know if it was a real person, but this MMA fighter like threatened me and my family and all this stuff and I, and I flipped out and I said a bunch of shit back. I was like, I'll, I'll kick your ass. And then they reported me for violent speech and oh, immediately taken down and I got my account back for like two days. I appealed it, appealed it, appealed it, appealed it and I got it back back. And then they took it down again because I had another account. They said that I had violated terms of service because I had created another account while my account was suspended, but that's not true. I just used an old account that was not related that, that I already created. But I don't know I, if anyone knows anyone at Twitter that can help me get that account reinstated. An X? Yeah, that can help me get my alien underbar size.
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A
You got to can't engage with people on Twitter, bro. On X. I know you can't engage. You just got to disengage, just post it and then ignore. I know, ignore all the bullshittery.
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B
You know what? And it, I should have, you know, it's, these people are, weren't worth my time and I shouldn't, I shouldn't have done that. But you know, it's, it's sort of my fault. But again I, I, I used to have 44,000 subscribers followers and I had a massive reach and all that's gone now. So it's like, you know, and I don't know what happened to my YouTube channel because I have 115, 119,000 subscribers on alien scientists on my YouTube channel. But like I used to post videos and I get 150,000 views like in the first couple hours, man. I just get millions of views and stuff. And now like I just, but again I've been doing a lot of long form content where it's just big interviews, long form rants and four hour stuff and a lot of people don't have time for that stuff. Except for the real hardcore, which is the only people I really care about anyways. The people that are really into this and really, you know, it's crazy because we've done a lot of the pioneering work and breaking a lot of this stuff out and now I see a lot of these other big channels like Joe Scott and tech files and even Y files recycling stuff that we've done like, like topics that we've covered. They're able to like create these really nice, well packaged videos. I don't have the capability, I don't know how to do all that, that stuff, man. I'm not, I'm not like, that's not my wheelhouse, you know. Yeah, so I've seen the people that do have that ability take a lot of my content and a lot of my research and materials, repackage it and then they get millions of views on their channel with it, which, you know, that's, I don't care about my recognition. That's not what I'm do this for. I care about the information and getting, you know, good information out there and battling the bad information and disinformation machine so that people can have better information.
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A
This is your channel. Alien scientist on YouTube.
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B
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm about. That's the TD Barnes interview right there.
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A
Oh, the last one. Cool.
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B
That one right there, that's. That's Theodore Barnes, man. That guy is head of the Roadrunners organization. Like who is that?
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A
Is that. That's not you on the left, is it?
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B
That's me on the left.
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A
That's you.
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B
Yep. It's a couple years ago, man.
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A
Looks like like you got like you had like a crazy tan going. Going on. Well, we'll link this below and anything else other than your YouTube channel.
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B
We should link alt propulsion.com alt propulsion.com that's. Those are my buddies Tim Ventura and Jared Yates doing good research and work on the APEC community with all bringing all the science together on this. And if you are interested in getting involved in the discussions, we have the APEC conference. We have the APEC open mic where anyone can join. Just throw whatever shit you want against the wall. You go ahead. That's what that. We created that for because we had too many interruptions in the conference with just nonsense stuff. So we created another space just for that stuff and for the more wild ideas. And then we have the. The. Yeah, the all propulsion stuff is. That's. That's our. That's our baby right now is just trying to get it go after the technologies. If there's classified. If there's classified technologies that can benefit all of human humanity then we don't want them in the hands of a couple elite pedophiles. You know. I wanna. I want you and me to be flying around in this, bro.
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A
Yeah. You know I need my own ufo, right?
- [233:34]
B
Why. Why does just Jeffrey Epstein get to have.
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A
Jeremy? Thanks for coming, bro. This has been an amazing four hour conversation. We've covered every conspiracy under the sun.
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B
Almost. Almost. Almost.
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A
We'll link it all below. And thanks again bro. This has been amazing. Thanks for making the trip down. I really appreciate it.
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B
Thanks for having talking to you. It's great to be on again and yeah.
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A
Good night everybody.
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B
Hell yeah.