Danny Jones Podcast - Episode #320: Deep Sea Alien Bases: The Underwater CIA Project No One Talks About | UAP Gerb
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Host: Danny Jones
Guest: Sam (UAP GERB)
1. Introduction to the Episode
In Episode #320 of the Danny Jones Podcast, host Danny Jones delves into the mysterious world of deep-sea alien bases and an underwater CIA project that remains largely undocumented. Joined by Sam from UAP GERB, the episode explores classified military operations, UFO crash retrievals, and the intricate web of government and contractor involvement in unexplained aerial phenomena (UAP).
2. Operation Laser Strike and Jonathan Wigan’s Encounter in Peru
Overview: Sam introduces Operation Laser Strike, a 1997 classified mission by the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) aimed at tracking narcotics traffic in South America. This operation involved multiple military branches and the CIA, focusing on monitoring narco planes using advanced radar systems.
Key Incident:
- Jonathan Wigan, a Marine stationed in Peru, recounts a night guard duty incident where a crashed craft was discovered.
- Quote:
"[00:07] Danny: That documentary on Jonathan Wigan. I like I'd heard of him, but I had never heard any of the backstory that you described."
"[00:16] Sam: It was an egg-shaped craft stuck in a granite cliff, leaking a viscous clear fluid, with what appeared to be a non-human arm hanging out."
Sam Details:
- The craft exhibited a mother of pearl effect, changing colors between purple and green.
- Jonathan and his team approached the craft, experiencing fluid exposure that discolored uniforms and removed hair from his legs.
- Attempts to communicate were thwarted as Sergeants Allen and Atkins instructed Jonathan to step away, leading to an encounter with men in black who apprehended the Marines.
3. Department of Energy’s Role and NEST
Introduction to NEST: Sam explains the Nuclear Emergency Support Team (NEST) within the Department of Energy (DOE), a rapid reaction unit designed to respond to nuclear or radiological incidents. Established under the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, NEST has jurisdiction over classified materials, including those related to UFO phenomena.
Key Points:
- Quote:
"[06:11] Sam: The DOE NEST had the authority under the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, which also governs how UFO materials are classified as transclassified foreign nuclear materials." - Operation Interconnectedness:
Stories like Jonathan Wigan’s are tied to NEST operations, suggesting a deep integration between DOE and UFO retrieval missions. - Historical Context:
In 1997, NEST was already monitoring potential Russian probes in South America, indicating a longstanding interest in UAP activities.
4. Connections with Other UFO Crash Retrievals in South and Central America
Regional Incidents: Sam draws parallels between Jonathan Wigan’s experience and other UFO crash incidents in South America and Mexico during the 1990s:
- 1978 Bolivia:
A cylindrical object, resembling a Tic Tac, crashed into Bolivian mountains, prompting Project Moondust to investigate. - 1974 Coyame, Mexico:
A saucer crashed, leading to the death of a Mexican recovery team due to toxic or biological hazards before U.S. forces allegedly retrieved the craft.
Key Insights:
- South and Central America were hotspots for UFO crash retrievals, often involving Marine units and secretive operations.
- Marine Testimonies: Jonathan Wigan and Michael Herrera are among the few whistleblowers who have spoken publicly about these operations.
5. Challenges in Disclosure and the Role of UAPDA
UAP Disclosure Act (UAPDA): Sam discusses the UAP Disclosure Amendment, part of the 2023-2024 National Defense Authorization Act, aimed at declassifying UFO legacy programs and technologies of unknown origin.
Legislative Hurdles:
- Quote:
"[05:19] Sam: I hope the UAPDA gets pushed through in the upcoming Senate conference to disclose hidden UFO programs within the Department of Defense and intelligence communities." - The act seeks to overcome the 1954 Atomic Energy Act’s classification barriers, which have historically kept UFO-related materials highly restricted.
Current Status:
- Efforts are ongoing to include UAPDA provisions in the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act, promising independent review boards and responsible disclosure plans.
6. Underwater Reconnaissance Office and Undersea Crash Retrievals
National Underwater Reconnaissance Office (NURO): Sam introduces NURO, a secretive branch within U.S. intelligence focused on underwater reconnaissance and retrieval operations, even more sensitive than the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
Case Study:
- 2002 Incident:
A former Marine diver named Mark recounts a 1991-1992 crash retrieval mission in the North Atlantic's Rockall Trough, where a 70-foot triangular craft was discovered buried in the seafloor. - The craft lacked visible propulsion and was embedded in granite, raising questions about its material composition.
- Aftermath:
Mark and his team were abruptly removed from the operation, with no further information provided about the craft or other team members involved.
Key Quote:
"[32:25] Sam: In 2002, a former Marine diver named Mark recounted a mission where a 70-foot triangular craft was found on the Rockall Trough seafloor, buried for decades."
7. Area 51, S4, and Discrepancies in Testimonies
Area 51 and S4: The conversation shifts to Area 51, specifically the S4 facility, a subsidiary site involved in reverse engineering UFO technologies.
Conflicting Accounts:
- Annie Jacobson’s Testimony:
Claims that EG&G [a contractor] had interactions with disfigured beings from UFO crashes. - George Knapp’s Reports:
Reports inconsistencies in testimonies from Area 51 insiders, raising doubts about the authenticity of certain claims.
Sam’s Analysis:
- Quote:
"[17:24] Sam: He (the Area 51 S4 director) told Annie it was a Russian drone manipulated by disfigured people, while also informing George Knapp about genuine non-human beings." - Implications:
Suggests potential disinformation campaigns to obscure true information about UFO technologies and retrieval operations.
8. Contractors and Their Involvement (SAIC, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, etc.)
Major Contractors: Sam highlights the pivotal roles of SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation), Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and others in UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.
Contractual Dynamics:
- SAIC’s Overcharging:
Historical instances where SAIC was accused of overcharging the Department of Defense, redirecting funds into black budgets. - Northrop Grumman’s Acquisitions:
Their absorption of companies like TRW, allegedly linked to UFO retrieval operations, suggesting consolidation of UFO-related projects under major defense contractors.
Key Insight:
These contractors are deeply entwined with classified UFO programs, often operating through Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) and University Affiliated Research Centers (UARCs), providing a cover for sensitive operations.
9. Alleged Secret Space Programs and Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs)
Secret Space Programs (SSP): The discussion extends to Secret Space Programs, where advanced technologies and ARVs are allegedly developed and operated.
Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs):
- Definition:
ARVs are purported non-human spacecraft designed for reproduction or replication purposes. - Sam’s Findings:
Historical accounts and whistleblower testimonies suggest that ARVs are part of reverse engineering efforts based on recovered UFO materials.
Key Quote:
"[22:15] Sam: These ARVs provide significant tactical advantages, far surpassing traditional military technologies."
10. Psionics and Remote Viewing in UFO Programs
Introduction to Psionics: Sam touches upon the controversial topic of psionics—the use of psychic abilities like remote viewing to locate and interact with UFOs.
Jake Barber’s Account:
- Background:
Jake Barber, a whistleblower, describes missions where psionic techniques were employed to control or communicate with UFOs. - Challenges:
The integration of psionics adds a layer of complexity and skepticism, requiring evidence-based demonstrations to gain broader acceptance.
Sam’s Perspective:
He expresses skepticism about psionics due to the lack of verifiable demonstrations, emphasizing the need for concrete evidence before integrating such concepts into UFO research.
11. Disclosure Advocates and Internal Conflicts
Stephen Greer’s Disclosure Project: Sam critiques Stephen Greer, the founder of the Disclosure Project, highlighting internal conflicts and questionable methodologies in handling whistleblowers.
Conflict with Lou Elizondo:
- Tension:
Greer and Lou Elizondo, former Pentagon official, have a strained relationship, with Greer labeling Elizondo as a "disinformation asset." - Impact:
This rift undermines the credibility and unity among disclosure advocates, complicating efforts to achieve transparent disclosure.
Key Quote:
"[56:54] Danny: It really is, man."
"[58:30] Danny: Yeah, yeah. No, there's definitely some, some personality quirks there."
"[59:37] Sam: I would rather err on the side of pushing for disclosure instead of, like, trying to get into, like, interpersonal problems."
12. Funding and Creative Accounting Mechanisms in UFO Programs
Financial Mysteries: Sam highlights the challenges in tracing funds allocated to UFO legacy programs, pointing out creative accounting practices such as:
- Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) Contracts
- Sole Source Contracts
- Cash Transactions and Overcharging
Examples:
- SAIC’s Fraudulent Billing:
Accused of charging exorbitant fees for minimal deliverables, techniques that potentially funnel money into black budgets. - Missing Pentagon Funds:
Reports of trillions of dollars unaccounted for, possibly diverted to secret programs.
Key Insight:
The opaque financial structures make it nearly impossible to audit or trace the exact allocation of funds towards UAP-related projects.
13. Conclusion and Future Directions
Path Forward:
- Legislative Action:
The potential passing of UAPDA in the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act could pave the way for greater transparency and official acknowledgment of UFO programs. - Independent Review Boards:
Establishment of civilian expert panels to oversee and disclose information responsibly.
Final Thoughts: Sam emphasizes the necessity of rigorous investigation and corroboration in UFO research, advocating for a methodical approach to unravel the complex interplay between government agencies, contractors, and classified programs.
Quote:
"[154:35] Sam: Hope the UAPDA gets passed so we can start to appear behind the 1954 Atomic Energy Act."
"[155:35] Danny: I learned a lot. Thank you again for your time."
Notable Quotes:
- "[00:07] Danny: That documentary on Jonathan Wigan. I like I'd heard of him, but I had never heard any of the backstory that you described."
- "[06:11] Sam: The DOE NEST had the authority under the 1954 Atomic Energy Act, which also governs how UFO materials are classified as transclassified foreign nuclear materials."
- "[32:25] Sam: In 2002, a former Marine diver named Mark recounted a mission where a 70-foot triangular craft was found on the Rockall Trough seafloor, buried for decades."
- "[58:30] Danny: Yeah, yeah. No, there's definitely some, some personality quirks there."
- "[154:35] Sam: Hope the UAPDA gets passed so we can start to appear behind the 1954 Atomic Energy Act."
Final Note: This episode of the Danny Jones Podcast offers an in-depth exploration of the clandestine efforts by U.S. military and intelligence agencies to retrieve and reverse-engineer alien technologies, particularly those submerged underwater. Through detailed testimonies and critical analysis, Sam from UAP GERB sheds light on the hidden layers of UAP investigations, the complex relationships between government bodies and contractors, and the ongoing struggle for transparency and disclosure.