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#341 - Mother of Telepathic Child: Anyone Can Access Psychic Abilities | Dalia BurgoinDalia Burgoin
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Dahlia Burgoyne
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Danny Jones
How did this, this whole discovery start with you? With first learning about your daughter's abilities. And. And I think you had. You discovered that you also had these abilities when you were a child. So can you kind of explain like the. Just the backstory to all of this?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Because this is, this is wild stuff, backstory. I'll see how much I can truncate it.
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Danny Jones
No, take your time.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
So, yeah, when I was a kid, I did have telepathic abilities, but I never called it that. I just thought it was something everybody had. And so I was able to know what people were thinking and know what they were going to say and know how they were going to react. I remember knowing that. And at first I wondered why adults. To me, I thought it was just adults that weren't reading each other's minds. And I remember thinking, coming to the conclusion, maybe when you become an adult, you can't do it anymore. So I was probably like four. I hadn't gone to school yet. And I remember thinking, okay, so I'm probably gonna lose it when I become an adult, so I'll just. Okay, I'll get okay with that. But when I went to school, I noticed the other kids weren't doing it either. Like, I remember wondering, like, why aren't they just knowing what each other's thinking? It's so obvious. And so for a while, I just remember the teachers always asking me, how do you know? How do you know? Like, for example, we were playing this one game one time, and one person's supposed to go in the hallway and someone. Everybody's sitting on the floor in a circle and someone's supposed to Take an object and sit on it. You're supposed to find the person that was sitting on the object. And I remember when it was my turn, I went out there. I'm like, it's so obvious who it is. The person, right? It's the person's thinking about it. They're scared. They're afraid of me to pick on them every single time. I knew it. And. And I just remember picking it. And the teacher's like, how do you know? And then I ended up having to. They just ended up letting me, like, sit it out after a few turns. Because the way the game worked was if you got it wrong, someone else got to try and. But for me, I kept getting it right every single time. I just remember thinking it's telling the teacher. It's because they're thinking about it. And. And so. But I didn't think anything of it. But those were my last memories of having the ability. And it's only because you know how memories are. You're. You know, your biggest memories are coming with emotions. And my emotions were, like, confusion, like, why aren't they doing this? You know? And so those are my last memories of it, probably around first grade or so. And since then, it has been hit or miss. In fact, my idea of telepathy, I feel like telepathy, like, what my daughter can do is my daughter's lidu. And what she can do is like, what you think. I didn't even think that was a real thing. Like. Like, I've always been into the spiritual realms, and I was a little kid. I was always meditating and always going to holy places since I was a little kid, going by myself sometimes. But what my daughter can do with her telepathy. I feel like I never really believed in telepathy because what she can do blew me away. It's like stuff from tv, like stuff that you would never think is real. I guess what I thought telepathy was before my daughter started to open up about hers was you kind of sensing what they're feeling and then projecting your ideas onto it. That's what I kind of thought telepathy was. It's confusing, but, yeah, when I was a kid, I definitely had something more like my daughter has.
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Danny Jones
And this was in Utah. When you grow up, did you grow up there?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No, I grew up in South Jersey.
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Danny Jones
Oh, South Jersey. Oh, wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. I went to Utah when I was 18 to go to college. So.
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Danny Jones
Okay. And so, like, what was it like during the time growing up and this disability starting to atrophy? Did you. Were you paying attention to it? Did you notice it all of a sudden, like one day it didn't work or what was that like?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I never noticed it turning off. It just. I just kind of went on my life and didn't notice it until my daughter came out. I'm like, wait a minute. I remember being able to do that. So it's just something like I just went on with my life. It's because I was so young. It just kind of. Life moved on. I also had the ability to hear. I don't know who I was hearing, hearing some kind of spiritual helpers talking. And I could hear them audibly. And that was another thing that kind of just turned off without me noticing. I have a couple of memories of me talking to them. And I remember linking them to family, thinking they have my best interests in heart. Listen to them. I remember talking to them out loud. And I remember one of my aunts walking in and looking worried and saying, who are you talking to? And so again, because an emotion is attached to that memory, I remember thinking I must be doing something weird. So I just told her, nobody. And. And I don't have any other memories after that, so. But I do remember doing that as a kid, too.
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Danny Jones
Interesting.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah.
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Danny Jones
And you, you. You had a very, like a pretty normal childhood, was there. There was nothing abnormal about your childhood or anything like this. You weren't diagnosed with any of these conditions?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No, no diagnosis or anything, but yeah, as far as me, I. I've always been into meditation. I've always gone to holy places. I've always felt like I had a connection with the other side and God and.
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Danny Jones
So you grew up religious?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I didn't really go to church where my family didn't really go to church, but I did. Like I was. It's because I recognized the energy of the holy building. So I really like the energy. I remember looking at the priests and everyone talking and thinking, you know, it's really sweet what they're trying to do and thinking there's a huge difference between these men and God, but it's really sweet what they're trying to do. And I love the energy of this place. And so I remember thinking that as a kid as well and going there by myself a lot. I'm like four years old, going to these places just because I like the energy. And I stopped in my 20s and like in my teenage years I still went, but I stopped in my 20s for a while and then with my daughter, came around talking about her telepathy and stuff. We started going back because she likes the holy atmosphere as well. But going back to your question, how it started for me. So when I was a little kid, there was another. There's so many things. But when I was a little kid, I remember getting visions of the type of work I was going to do. And I always saw myself healing, laying on of hands, but I was wearing Asian garments. And I remember thinking that was confusing. And it wasn't until in my 20s I found like the kind of chi practice I was going to do. And so I started doing it, and it was there. I started learning how to sense my world blindfolded. But it's just sensing. There was no visual component to it at all. It was just being able to tell things by touch and by sound, by smell. And I remember hearing about indonesia and like 15 years ago, kids doing this blindfolded vision. I just remember hearing about it and seeing it and thinking, I want to do that. But I remember hearing that they don't teach adults in. In a lot of these schools, they didn't teach adults. They only taught children. And some people even would say that adults couldn't learn it. And I remember thinking, well, that's ridiculous. We have the same brain. We might access different brain waves at different times. Like, they are more in the alpha and we're more in a different. But we should be able to do it too. So there was no doubt in my mind that I could do it too, but I never actually went into it until I had this weird spiritual experience. So in this reality that my daughter and I are in, there's so many abilities that are not talked about that are out there that we all have. Like, this is not just special to me and her. We all have these things. And so there's this one weird thing that would happen with me where I would sit up one day and I'd be in a different time or in the future or a different timeline, but I would be there. Like, I would be there. It's not just my thoughts. So I remember sitting up one day and one of my daughters was in my bed. In this timeline, I sat up in and I had a blindfold on, and I was seeing the entire room with the blindfold. And I remember thinking, well, I'm in another timeline, or I'm in the future right now because I didn't lay down with a blindfold and my daughter wasn't in the bed. So I know I'm in the future or a different timeline. I don't know what to call it. But That's. And so I remember thinking, this must be important. Then I must. This must be an important thing for me to pay attention to. Then later that day, I decided to grab my blindfold, do a lying down meditation, and my daughter climbs into bed. And I remember thinking, I wonder if it's going to happen. So I do my meditation and I sit up, and exactly the same thing that had happened earlier that day happened. And I. So I saw the entire room, and I remember thinking, okay, I need to learn how to do this all the time. And after that, for six months, I was walking around with. I have a bunch of blindfolds here. I was walking around people that are.
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Danny Jones
Listening and not watching. Dalia has brought, like, four or five blindfolds with her.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So it was this one. So I walked around for, like, six months with this, and I called it the dark walk. And I was trying to figure it out. And so I'm walking and all I see is pitch black for, like, six months. But I was able to get around. It was the coolest training for myself. And I would do it every day for about, like, 20 to 30 minutes of just walking with a blindfold outside, inside.
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Danny Jones
Okay.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And I remember I couldn't see even a speck of light. I couldn't see colors. I couldn't read at all. But I could easily see all the outlines in the room. And I could see my hand, like, the outline of my hand in front of my face. So I was able to get around the house. I was able to open up the doors because I would see where everything was. And I thought it was so cool. It was just the outlines. It was kind of like looking at an ultrasound or something. It was like sound. And if I tapped on something, I would see it even more. It would just appear even more. And so it was the coolest thing. I remember thinking how cool it was that I could go into a bathroom or something without turning on the lights because it didn't make any difference. And I remember doing that for a while and then finally thinking, well, how do I actually read like the kids do? How do I actually, like, see colors and stuff like those kids are doing? And so I remember that's when I started looking into doing that in the U.S. and so there was a couple of schools. There's one in Utah called Vibravision. And I looked into them, and just 20 minutes away. And then I looked at. I looked at these people online, like Rob and Wendy Gallant, or, sorry, Rob Freeman and Wendy Gallant. And I looked at them, and with Them, they actually just focus on the blindfold, whereas Vibravision was focusing on teaching, like, a lot of stuff. They taught the energy work, and they taught. They taught a lot of stuff. And since I already had an energy background, I thought, I just want to do the blindfold. So I decided to fly out, and I met with these people who are doing their second seminar ever. Actually, before that, I did a phone call or a zoom call with Rob, and we were on the call, and for the first time ever, I had my blindfold on. And for the first time ever, I started seeing things with my mind's eye. He was holding up shapes, and I got nearly 100% and I said, this is insane. I didn't even think that I could do something like this. I never even tried. And it was so amazing. And then he was like, you definitely gotta come into the seminar. And so when I went to the actual seminar on the second day, I started see colors for the first time. And they were very shocked because they hadn't seen anyone open that fast before. And so, yeah, I started to see the colors, and it was so amazing. And then the next day, I started to see more. I started to see shapes, and then I started to be able to read, and it just blew my whole paradigm. I thought, like, whoa, I found the glitch in the matrix. I figured it all out. This is insane. And I felt like I could do anything after that. And before that, though, my daughter had already come way out with her telepathy. I can get into that in a minute. But did you have any insights?
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Danny Jones
So your daughter. You learned about your daughter's telepathy before you started doing this stuff?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes, yes. Probably like a few months before, wasn't that long, because my daughter, she has severe autism, and she couldn't communicate until we found this method of communication, spelling. And we didn't find that until she was 11. And it took her two years to be able to finally talk to me, because she was able to talk to a provider after about six months. But with me, it took her about two years to be able to spell consistently. And it wasn't until then that she came out and told me all that stuff. And before then, she was a savant in other ways. I recognized it. She was an artist savant. She has won. She won a bunch of national art competitions and things she's won. She was kind of always in the front of an audience. She won page. And so she was. She was pretty amazing already. But she wasn't able to communicate once she started Communicating. I remember one day asking her, I said, lilu, you know, you have so many talents, it's insane. How many talents? Like you can. Another one of her talents is she can write backwards and sing backwards. And a lot of her art she does backwards. Like if you play her a song, she could sing it backwards. And like, if you've reversed the song, it'll be perfect. Or if you give her an art piece or you give her your name, she'll write it down backwards. You can put it in a mirror, it comes out perfect. So she has these abilities. And I said, you know, we all have abilities. We all have things we're really, really good at. Do you have any other abilities that you're good at that, that we don't know about? And then she says, well, yeah, I can discern spirits. That was the first thing she said.
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Danny Jones
I'm like, discern. How old was she.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
She. At the time? She was 13, so. And she's 15 now. She just turned 15.
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Danny Jones
How old was she when you started to notice something was up, like something that she might not be able to talk or something was different?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
She was, I think she was five when I really realized she had autism. Interest before then. Okay, so actually, let's talk about age two. So age two, she was actually showing incredible savant skills. So I remember walking in the room one day and she was actually typing on my computer and she's. And she wasn't just typing abc, she was typing humongous words like outrageous and ostentatious and stuff like that. And I remember thinking, so I have a two year old now and a four year old and a six year old. They can't type anything. So my daughter's two and she's typing these really big words and I think she was trying to show me, hey, I can, I can spell and stuff. But it didn't even, I didn't even think to click. All I thought was, we have a. I remember telling my husband, I said, I think we have like a genius child. And he actually saw it the other way. He's like, oh, I actually think she's kind of delayed because she's not speaking yet. And I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. And so she, I was like, I don't know. I think she's a genius because I don't know any kids that could do this. And so around 5, age 5, she was still not really speaking. And I went to, I got her diagnosed and they said, yeah, I like them. It's. It's a Some kind of autism.
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Danny Jones
And were there, were there any words? Could she string together like two or three words?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, she had, she can do echolalia. So if I said something she could repeat it. And so that can. That made it. So for a few years I wasn't sure she was a non speaker. I, I just, I just assumed she was because she could repeat words and stuff like that. But that's actually pretty typical for a lot of non speakers or limited speakers.
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Danny Jones
Do we know what causes that?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
What causes, like, do we know like.
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Danny Jones
What the, what the causes are? Like, is it, is it all, is it hereditary? Are there any environmental factors that contribute to it or.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
There isn't a clear thing that causes it. But with her specifically, she was born three months early and they actually told me on the day that I was about to have her, they said there's a high chance of her getting autism and so that there is a.
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Danny Jones
Because of the early birth.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So there's a correlation with early birth and autism, but I can't say for sure, especially since Lilu told me herself, like she remembers her pre birth stuff. She remembers previous lives. And so she told me she actually chose her disability because it's really crazy. Like she. I asked her one day, I said, how did I get blessed to have a child like you? And she said, well, you, you said that you wanted a child. She's talking about before I was born. She said, you said you wanted a child that was either going to be a world teacher or disabled. And I decided to do both. And I was like, wow. And then I said, is there anything else about that you want to tell me? And then she said, yeah, I'm the one that chose this disability. And. And she said that because I was going through a lot of trauma about her having autism. And I kept thinking somehow maybe I was too stressed during that pregnancy. Maybe I needed to. Like, maybe there's something I could have done. So she wasn't born early. And she said, no, none of that mattered. It was supposed to happen.
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Danny Jones
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I would say that, yeah. So the way I've described it for it's like your arms and your legs are tied together and your mouth is kind of shut. But. And you're sitting in a room and people are talking, you're still absorbing everything, you still understand everything. But you can't show them with your body language. You can't show them with your speec, not even your emotions can you show them because it's not accurate. And so when my daughter spells, sometimes her body language will make it look like she's not paying attention. Sometimes it'll make it look like she's bored, sometimes it'll make it look like she's angry or she's excited and her emotions on the inside will be totally different. And so a big part of the spelling community is we say, presume competence like these kids, even though they might look like they're not paying attention or they might look like they're not understanding, most likely they are. I would say the majority of the Time they are.
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Danny Jones
And at what point did you start talking or reaching out to other families that have children that are similar?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So my daughter. Well, I have a friend in Utah. Well, she's in Colorado now. And so her son also has autism, and he was 12 when I met her, and my daughter was still 3. And when he was about 19, she got him into spelling. And she kept telling me, dalia, you need to get your daughter into this. And I'm like, I think Lilu's a little different because he didn't say hardly any words at all. And Lilu could say some words. And so I'm sitting there thinking that there was, like, a difference and that she wouldn't really benefit. So she's told me for a few months. And I kept on thinking, yeah, I'll go check it out. And finally I went and saw it, and I couldn't believe my eyes. I knew this kid since he was 12. Never heard him say a word. And at 19 or 20, actually, he was spelling the most intricate things. It was so beautiful. And he was funny, had this huge personality. He sounded like someone much older than 19. And I remember being shocked. And so he. I just remember watching him, like, I can't believe my eyes. Like, I've known this kid so long, I cannot believe what he's saying. And I'm watching him spell. And so he gets up and there's a break time. He gets up and he's like kind of dancing in the corner or something. I'm embarrassed because, as on. On the car ride, he was behind us and we were talking, and I wasn't really including in a conversation because I didn't think he could even understand. That's how. That's how naive I was at the time. My daughter was 11, and I still didn't know how much she could understand. And so he even brought up points from the car ride during the talk. And I was like, I can't believe. Like, I didn't include him in the conversation. I feel so dumb now. And so anyway, I'm asking the facilitator, I said, is this going to benefit my daughter because she can say some words. And she goes, yeah, it's basically, you know, if she's saying more impulsive things and it's echolalia, this will benefit her. It's the same thing.
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Danny Jones
What's that word you used?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Echolalia.
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Danny Jones
Echolalia, yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so. And so that's the ability to say phrases or to repeat what you say. So they might say, like, a similar song. Over and over, they're just kind of repeating a phrase. So, yeah. He sits down and they're about to start their lesson again. He goes, before I start, can I say something? And he goes, us autistics are very intelligent and we love to learn. He goes, especially me. He goes, I really think you should invite your daughter because. And he's spelling this out and I'm like, eyes open, he says, because there's nothing worse than being in a silent prison. And oh man, it gets me so worked up when I remember that. But I got my daughter in there the next week and. Sorry. I got her in there in the next week and she's saying her first words and it's so emotional. I still can't even. I can't even think of the memories. But yeah, she's saying her first words and I can't. And she's saying the most intelligent words just to show me how intelligent she was. She couldn't say like a bunch of expressive stuff yet, but she was able to say like two or three words at a time because it takes a lot of motor skills to be able to spell. And she was. I couldn't believe the stuff she was able to get out. I was like, oh my gosh. And I had my daughter in ABA for a year or so because I wanted her to communicate and I wasn't really getting anywhere with that. But with this one lesson, it was RPM Rapid Profit Method and this one session, and she was already communicating more than ever. Six weeks later, my daughter's having full blown conversations with me. But I had to go to the provider to have those conversations. And it was the best hour and an hour drive of my life. Like every two weeks I would take her and I would talk to her and it was like the most amazing thing. And when I would bring her home, it's like she's like this younger kid. In fact, I felt so embarrassed because I'm like, this whole time I was talking to her like she's 5 and she's 11 and I'm talking to her like she's 5 years old. Like, I didn't know. And I'm like, I can't believe how intelligent you are. And I just didn't know. And I felt so dumb and I.
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Danny Jones
Had to be so emotional.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah. And then finally, after two years of her doing that therapy, I was able to talk with her and. And that's when she opened up about her telepathy and the world that I was about to go into with her.
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Danny Jones
So she was you figured out that she's been reading your mind this whole time?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, yeah. So up until then. Up until then, I thought she must have had superhuman hearing, because that made more sense to me than telepathy. It didn't even cross my mind to think telepathy. Sometimes she would be outside side, and she would just come in, knowing exactly what we were talking about. And I'm like, she must have the best hearing in the world. I remember thinking there was one time she had. She told me this is. She had spelled it out, this is. Before I knew about the telepathy, she spelled out she wanted a specific toy, and it was kind of impossible to find that toy. And so she's outside, and I decided to order it. It was a Pinocchio, like a really old school Pinocchio. And so I order it, and as soon as I. I was about to push the button, she. I hear the outside door. I'm like, oh, no. She. She. She comes in. Actually, I didn't know about the telepathy at this point. I just hear the door. I'm like, oh, she knows I placed that order. And she comes upstairs and. And she's like, mommy. And she's like. And she's smiling. She's like, what did you just do? And, you know, because her. Her speech got better with this spelling too. And I was like, and. And I was like, don't worry about it. And then she's all like, what did you do? And she's trying to look at the phone, smiling. I'm like, go. Go away. You're always eavesdropping. And so that's what she calls it. E. So. And. But yeah, before I knew about dyslexia, though, I remember once I was in a car and I was driving, and I remember wanting to put on a song for her that she really loved. And we hadn't heard the song in, like, a couple of years. And I remember thinking, I'm gonna surprise her with this song that she loves. And I was looking for it. And I just remember for like a half hour, she's like, mommy, give me the phone. She just kept saying that. And I said, no, no, no, sweetie, hold on. I'm trying to find a song. And so finally I gave up, and I gave her the phone, and immediately she puts the song on. She. She knew the title and everything I was thinking of. And. But I didn't know she had telepathy yet. And I'm like, how did she know that, Lila? How did you know? And so. So for a while yeah, we just thought she had superhuman hearing or something.
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Danny Jones
So it must have been a world shattering revelation for you to actually understand that your daughter has telepathic abilities. And so, like, when you define telepathy in your mind, how specifically does it work?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, man, I. It's so hard to say. She has access.
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Danny Jones
Like what, what would be your best guess? To what's actually happening?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
What's actually happening is. It's hard to say. I would say she has access to not only my mind, present thoughts, she has access to thoughts I'm not even thinking about. But not just that. She has the ability to go into other places, like the hill. I don't know if you know what the hill is. She has the ability to go to other places, but not just the hill. If I'm somewhere, she's probably here right now. She has the ability to go to places and teleport herself to those places and tell me, oh man, I have so many stories. So for example, I did this one seminar in Orlando in January, and this is the first time I was apart from her. And I remember having a conversation with my friend and I remember him saying that, how does telepathy stuff work? And he says. And I said, well, Lili says, we're all telepathic. Well, the majority of us, as long as you have angels, you're telepathic. And he goes, well, I must not have angels because I don't think I'm telepathic. And I'm like, I think Lili would disagree. And so fast forward, like a week or so later, I totally forget about that conversation. And I say to her, I said, lidu, do you have a message for anybody at the seminar or about the seminar? She goes, yeah, I have one for Alex. She says his name. And I said, what is it? She goes, alex, I deem you a telepath. And I totally forgot this conversation happened. She goes, I deem you a telepath. And if you ever question it, just ask your angels to show you in a way that you understand that you would recognize. And I remember telling him, he goes, oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that conversation too. So neither one of us were thinking about it. And that happens a lot where we're not even thinking about it. And she'll come into the memories. My husband, it took him a while to latch onto this stuff. It took him a while because he was the biggest skeptic on the planet. Once he saw me with the blindfold and he saw, like, he started to question everything. And then we went to contact in the desert. He goes, finally, okay, fine, Lidu, show me what you can do. Show me a memory or tell me about a memory that. That only I would know about and I haven't told you. And so she goes and tells him about this memory of when he killed. Accidentally killed a turtle. It was an accident. He went to give him a bath, and he's in Mexico. It was like 120 degrees. He puts water into a baseball cap that's plastic, and it ended up killing the turtle. But she went into these details about it that even he forgot about until she mentioned it.
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Danny Jones
When he was a kid or something.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, when he was a little kid.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So she said these details. He's like, I forgot about that part. I forgot about that part. And so she has access to our memories. In fact, whenever I. If I were to read a book, I can discuss the book with her right afterwards. It's as if she read it too. And it's so funny, whenever people meet her, they say, oh, did you tell her about me? I'm like, I don't need to tell her. I don't need to introduce you. She knows who you are because I know who you are. And so it's.
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Danny Jones
Does she also read books herself?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Not so much because of the motor skills part, but. But every book I've ever read, she's read.
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Danny Jones
Does she, like, watch documentaries or things like this? No, she thinks she learns everything. She learns through. How does she learn stuff?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
She's learned through what she calls mentors her whole life. Before she can talk, this is one of the first things she told me. She says, yeah, like, I've always had mentors, and. And they've been teaching me all this time, and they've helped me keep it together. And this is way before she could even speak. She said she's been doing this ever since she was a little kid. I always noticed whenever we were going to sleep and the night is starting to come out, she would go into a quiet area in the house. It's dark, and she would pace back and forth. And she did that since she was a kid, and she still does. And I didn't understand what she was doing until a couple years ago when she said she was going to. She was going somewhere. She was going somewhere with her friends. Now that I. Now it's just a reality for me now I just say, oh, Levi, you can go ahead and go talk to your friends or whatever. And she'll just go back and forth and you'll see her talking and Stuff.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. The reality is so insane that we live in right now. It's just normal life to me now though.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, so. So yeah, that, that must have been a completely radical shift in the way that you view the world when you learned about this stuff. Was there like a progression for you as far as like accepting it? Like, was there like, I'm sure you had to think about things like, you know, am I ever going to tell anybody about this? Like, like who do I tell about this? You know, do we talk to scientists, doctors? Like, what do we do? Like, this is. I'm sure, I'm sure that took a while. Right?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, it was like everything happened, everything happened on its own almost. I didn't even have to try. Everything just kind of started happening and I never thought we would ever go with anything. But it, it's all like. It's like it all started happening when it was supposed to. And my daughter already knew what her life mission and calling was, but for me it was like, I am so surprised by all of this.
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Danny Jones
But were you like, were you skeptical at all in the beginning or were you never skeptical?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No, I wasn't skeptical.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
But it started to happen little by little. She started introducing more complex ideas. A little out of time. At first it was just saying, oh man, she told me such insane stuff. So at first it was like, oh, I can talk to spirits. And I remember one time her just gradually telling me, I said, you know, it's Day of the Dead and I invited some ancestors to come visit. Have you seen any of them? And she goes, oh yeah.
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Danny Jones
And then she said she's Day of the Dead, like the Mexican one or.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Halloween, like the Mexican. You know, when you kind of bring.
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Danny Jones
In el dia de los muertos.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So my husband's side is, I'm Mexican and my side's Puerto Rican. And so like. And we both kind of celebrate it, so. And so yeah, she said, oh yeah, there's our family, but there's also other spirits. And she said like, there's a bunch of women here that, that died and their children are still around. And she said she was helping them to, to. To trans. How do you call it? She was helping them to, to get used to being passed on and, and I was like, so lilu, you're really this, this young girl, like a 14 year old girl and you're going to school and stuff and in your free time you're sitting there talking to spirits and you're doing a sixth sense type of thing and she's like, yeah, so I just thought that was so crazy.
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Danny Jones
She said she was helping them pass on.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah.
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Danny Jones
Where? Did she say where?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Or she was helping them to get a fulfilled. How do you say it? Get more comfortable with being dead, basically. She didn't say those words. I forgot how she worded it. It was much more eloquent.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
She was helping women that were struggling because they had their kids there still and they were passed on and they couldn't be with them in the same way. But she said, yeah, it was particularly for women. And I said, why are they coming to you? And she said that because I'm the one that can talk to them. But back then I, again, I didn't quite understand what she could do. Now I know a lot more of what she can do.
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Danny Jones
It's such a bizarre thing because, you know, I often wonder. I've always talked about stuff like, you know, there's always something. It feels like there's always something there that you can't really perceive. You know, like certain places have certain energies or vibes to them. You know, there's always like a. You know, everyone knows the story of like, you walk into a house and like, this room feels the energy is really dark or, or light or, or even like pets can detect things that we can't. You know what I mean? Like, cats get spooked about things like, oh my God, was there a ghost? Can cats see ghosts? And I always wondered, you know, do animals have like, extra percent extra sensory perception that. That we don't? Because we are. We grow up and we sort of get like, indoctrinated and our minds get like. We get just molded into this rigid world that we live in where there's. The boundaries are. Are very clear. Right. And there's not. There's not room for venturing out. Right. Because it's like, if you're gonna live in this world, there's certain things you do, you're expected to do. You're expected to wake up, go to school, go to work, do whatever it is. You gotta make money, you gotta pay these bills, you buy a house, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, I've always thought, like, is that sort of what's killing this stuff that may be inherent or maybe this is like some sort of ancient ability that humans have always had that is just maybe atrophied over the long time with the rise of like.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
The.
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Danny Jones
Industrialization and the rise in technology that sort of like takes over for these senses, you know?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. And I believe that. I believe it is something that we've always had that we're just not utilizing because it's all trainable. Because that is what I do all my spare times. I train and stuff and everyone can do it. But the whole thing with animals, I'm always finding out every day more things my daughter can do. And that's another thing she can do is she can communicate with animals because they do speak telepathically. And so that's just something I recently found out. So I'm always finding amazing things out.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, I mean, you always hear about those stories too, you know, like the dog or the cat knowing when you're coming home. It's always like this weird thing that you brush it off and if you actually take it seriously, you're a fool or you're a freak if you believe you're actually telepathic with your dog. It's like. But it is, it is. It's this thing in the zeitgeist that everyone knows about that ever. There's small, there's millions of people that will attest to these anecdotal stories of their dogs knowing things like having this intuition, you know.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, I totally agree.
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Danny Jones
So, so what has been. Has there been any like anybody in the scientific community that's taken you guys seriously or talked to you or, or validated this stuff or.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah.
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Danny Jones
What has that been like?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Like, yeah. Almost everyone in the scientific community has been so excited for us. So my daughter specifically, we work closely with Dr. Diane Hennessy Powell and people.
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Danny Jones
Who don't know who she is. Can you explain?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So she is the one. The telepathy tapes research is based off of her research. And so we've actually done some study or some experiments with her that were really fun. And we're actually working with Stanford and I believe Harvard right now. And we're going to do some peer reviewed, what do you call it, documentations and stuff. But yeah, Lilu, whenever scientists see what she does, they end up baffled. Their eyes go. They start off really skeptical, but in a nice way, not like healthy skeptical. They'll start off skeptical and then they're like this at the end. Their eyes are wide open and many people, and scientists will cry like they just cry after they see. So like what she normally does is just. It's so easy for her. It's just, you know, reading my mind. Like, you know, we can, we'll write down a word or a phrase. Okay. So this one experiment we did with Dr. Diane, I would be on the other side of the room and I would roll some dice and then I would go to a random word and a word is a four letter word. And then I would take. In this particular experiment, I. I gave Lilu a blank piece of paper because I was trying to get her to get more independent because, you know, this is a skill for her to be able to spell and stuff. It requires a lot of motor skill and stuff. So I just gave her a blank piece of paper and told her to say letters. And so I give her a blank piece of paper. I'm holding it behind her. There's no. They have cameras all over me to see I'm not cueing her. And then she just spells it, you know, and she's just spelling out every word that I'm doing. And so that's what got Their attention at, like, Stanford and stuff. They're like, oh, my gosh. You know, since then, I. I now can do it from across the room without holding anything. Like, she has her own little thing that she's spelling on. And so. And she literally, like, it doesn't even have to. It's so amazing.
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Danny Jones
Can you just think of something and she can spell it out?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah, I can think of. It could be a word, a phrase. I can look at a picture in a book and she could describe it, and it won't even be how I was thinking of it. Like, for example, there was one time I was looking at a picture and it was a picture of, like, these animals having a picnic, and there was a bunch of tea and stuff. And I didn't. All I was focusing on in the picture was animals having a picnic. And my daughter spells out animals having tea. And I was not focusing on the tea at all. But she still. She said it in her own way. Yeah. So when we've done demonstrations on stage, like, for example, I've had it where, you know, like, somebody would look at a picture and they would show the audience the picture. My daughter wouldn't see it, and then they would put the picture down, and then she would describe the picture first, and then she would also. There would be a phrase at the top and she would spell out the phrase. And so there's things like that. There's also where a couple of ways we've demonstrated was people would write down a question, and then my daughter would. Without me even saying the question out loud, I say, lena, you got the answer? And she'll be like, yes. And then she'll just spell out the answer, and then I'll say, all right, show everybody what the question was, you know? And so, like, she's really, really amazing. The funny thing is, you know, so many of these kids can do this. I'm convinced. And I can't say this for everyone, but I'm convinced that all the spelling. The kids at Spell can do it. So I take my daughter to a spelling camp every year and this year. And just like a couple of weeks ago, I went and I sat with my friend. And so her son, I mentioned earlier, he's like, 22 now. And so I'm sitting with her, and her son's downstairs, and she's like, wow, this whole telepathy stuff, this is amazing that Lilu's doing that and she's showing this, and she says, do you think William could do it? I'm like, litu said, Definitely William could do it. I said, she said, definitely. They've been talking for years at the hill. And she goes, you think you can try it? And I said, oh, I don't know. I've never held the board for William because sometimes they won't spell for certain people. He's never really spelled for his parents. He has to go to a provider to communicate with them. And I said, I can try. I said, lithu, first of all, is William telepathic? Can you tell my friend? And Lilu says, yeah, he most definitely is. And then I said, okay, can you tell ask him telepathically if he'll come up and demonstrate for his parents, for his mom? And so she does her channeling thing. She kind of does this thing with her eyes when she's channeling and then she comes back and then she goes, okay. He says, go ahead and set it up. He goes, yes, go ahead and set it up. And so, so he comes upstairs and he's just smiling and stuff. I said, hey William, you know, and William only like says one word at a time. And I said, hey William, I'm going to show you some telepathy with Lidu. She said that you're down to show us and show your mom. You ready? And he goes, uh huh. And then he sits down. And so I have Lidu do one word, like super easy. And then I said, all right. So I asked his mom to write a word down. So she writes down just the word fly because she wasn't sure how he was going to do. So I go over to him and he's actually much more advanced than Leeloo is at spelling because he's been doing it longer. So I go over there, I barely hand him the board and he goes F, L, Y fly. He does it really quick, like super fast. He's not even thinking about it. And I was like, whoa, I barely even gave him the board. And he does that. And his mom's like, what? And then so we did a couple more like bigger words. And I. And because, and he's just super fast. And then because he, I'm like. Because he's like, lilu, I know exactly all the stuff I could show his mom. And so I'm telling her to write down questions and he's just answering them. And then she's like, I gotta call my husband. Cause he's like a skeptic. And so husband comes up and he writes down the word mountain. And I even said it to the mom, I said, can you hold the board now? And so she goes over, and he just types. He. He. He touches the letter M. It says mountain. He just. Because he's been trained to just say the words now. So he just touched one letter and said mountain. And I was like, whoa. I was like, he is amazing. And then, like, his family's like. Like, so blown away. The next day, we were going on a hike.
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Danny Jones
So it doesn't have to be your mom or your dad to read their minds. They can read anybody's mind.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes. That's what a lot of people don't realize. They really can. You don't have to have a former connection. And I showed a friend of mine came from New Jersey because I grew up in South Jersey, too. And she was getting her son into this, and this is her first time at the camp. And I said. And I'm telling her about the telepathy. And I said how wonderful William had done the night before. And I said, let me show you. And so we didn't actually have a letter board, but my daughter, she knew that we were gonna need some kind of a letter thing. And she had made letters the night before and insisted on bringing it with her. Like a paper with a bunch of letters on it. And I said, litu, can I use your letter thing to, like, to show William's telepathy to this person? And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she knew that this was gonna happen. That's another thing is they have precognition. I'll get into that. So she knew it was gonna happen. And so I go up to William, and I said, hey, William, is it okay if you show some telepathy to. And he's like, yes. And so I said, okay. Oh, actually, before I went to him, I said, can you just tell me a word and just tell me any word? She goes, I don't know, Cloud. So I go over to William, and I just give him that paper. So this is not even a standard letterboard. It's just a paper. And he just touches the letter C and says, cloud. And so. And she's like, oh, my gosh. And then the people at this camp, because they're all these kids spell, but none of them really do telepathy. And they're like, I can't believe William could do this, too. I had no idea William could do it. And I'm thinking in my head, I think they all can, but I'm just thinking that. And so I asked William, in front of everyone, I said, hey, how do you feel about people seeing this? And he goes, it makes me really happy because it takes a lot of effort. It takes a lot to spell. And telepathy is so much easier. And his parents are like, what do I do with this? And so they actually contact. I believe they contacted the colleges near there, saying, hey, if you're wanting to study this stuff, then maybe you can do something where you make him a student or something like that. So they're looking into, they're looking into it now. And I, and I said to. They're like, what do I do? I'm like, just ask William. Just, just ask him. What, what should he do? They, they, they. They have precognition, you know.
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Danny Jones
Oh, I had this guy on the podcast a couple times who. He was in the military and he got a severe head injury. He got. Help me out, Steve. From, from. He. I think he got shot in the head. He got shot. He was doing. He had a helmet. He got. He was doing a military exercise somewhere in the Middle east, and he accidentally got shot in the head with a. With a rifle round. And he. But he was wearing a helmet, and it basically knocked him unconscious. He survived, but he had a severe brain injury. So they flew him back to the United States. They did all these evaluations and tests and psychological evaluations and all this stuff, and they admitted him into this program that was called Stargate, where they do this thing called remote viewing. And what they do is they give these people who have interesting abilities, not necessarily telepathy abilities, but just unique brain chemistry. They. They give them coordinates, geography, geographical coordinates and something else like, like some sort of cues. They sort of like, give them, like, what to look for or whatever. And these people, like, close their eyes and they're somehow able to give vague details about locations. Like, I think they give them a time to go to and a location to go to, and they, they focus and meditate on it or whatever. And it's been. I've never seen the proof, but allegedly there is proof of this because, I mean, the government spent millions of dollars on this. And they're able to pull out details like, go to this place. Like, say. Say they're sitting in, in the US and they're saying, go to Russia. Go to this town in Russia yesterday or whatever at 1pm so they do it and they go, okay, I'm sitting at this cafe. There's a guy there with white hair having coffee with a woman with brown hair or something like that. They're able to do things like this, right? And this guy explained to me he has this Whole process, and it's called remote viewing, and it's been done for a long time. And it just makes me. It makes me wonder, you know, there seems to be a clear connection. And there's also these crazy way, way out there. Conspiracy theories, you could call them, of that, of people that have come out saying that the government has tried to recruit autistic children to do, like, telepathic spying on governments and stuff like that. And it's just wild because it seems like just from what you're telling me, it would be totally possible.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It would not surprise me. Yeah. The remote viewing thing, I would say, is very, very real. A lot of people, because I can do the blindfold vision, they said, how is this different from remote viewing? And I said, I think it's a very little difference. The way I would say is different is remote viewing. You are going into a different time and to a different place. And with. With. We call this local remote viewing, where we're seeing the environment around us. Yeah, I've actually a lot of people, they want to recruit me to do remote viewing because they're like, oh, you must be really good. And I've only done it a couple of times where I would do these different methods, like the way the government taught and everything. I would do these methods. And every time I would. Yeah, I would have a really good experience where I would go and I would not only see it, but I would feel like I'm there. I would. If I remember, for example, one time I. I had a target, and it was just a number. And then I did it, and I immediately felt like I was on a boat. And I could smell the air, and I could hear the birds in the air, and I could see the water going past really, really quickly. And so they say not to actually label it. So I was like, okay, well, outside, water. A boat. I see a boat. And I was saying all this, and then I saw the picture, and it was exactly what it was. But it threw me off at first because the picture was still. And in the thing I saw was a video. It was like I was there. And I remember thinking, well, this is kind of different. Like, what they're showing is just a still shot. I'm like, wait a minute. Of course it's just gonna be a still shot because of. It's just a picture. And. But I remember thinking, wow, that was really clear. And so. So, yeah, there's a lot of remote viewers that are trying to recruit me. I haven't but it's. It's. You know, it's kind of a. It's kind of.
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Danny Jones
You're right over there, Steve. Yeah. Trying to get a Tums. Oh, he's eating Tums.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
But, yeah, it's kind of, you know, to do the process. It's. It takes a lot of training and stuff. And I'm like, that's. That's a lot of work. I'm going to just stick to this kind of training for now at least. My daughter, she has this ability. I wouldn't. I don't even. I don't know if I would call it Removion or what, but she has the. You know, she has precognition abilities, and she can actually jump into a place and see how something's gonna turn out and come back and tell me, like, she'll just kind of go like this, and she'll go in, and then she'll come back and she'll tell me how it's gonna be. But she. I don't know if she's jumping. She told me that she can go into multiple timelines and she can talk to me in these other timelines and stuff like that, and it's just kind of nuts. But, yeah, there's been many times that she would tell me something's gonna happen. And I know for sure it's gonna happen because she told me. And I know it's important for me to hear it. Like, for example, like, I was at the side games and I was in contact in the desert. I didn't even know I was gonna be invited to those things, but I remember hearing about it and thinking, hey, Lidu. Like, should I go to that thing? Should I. Should we both go to that? What do you think? And I'm thinking, being a spectator, I did not think going on stage or anything. And Lidhu says, we're gonna be there, and we're gonna be center stage. And I just. And I'm like, oh, well, then I guess I'll wait for an invite then. And about a month later, I got the invite. So. And Lydia was totally right. We were totally center stage. Like, we were. We were very much a big deal in those places.
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Danny Jones
So can she go back into the past? Can she, like.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, yeah, because she can go into. I don't know how she.
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Danny Jones
Before she was born.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. Because she can access. I don't know how she's accessing this stuff, but she can access our memories easily. She can remember her past lives. She can tell us about our past Lives. I don't have any memory of my past lives at all. But she. And I don't really like asking about that stuff because I can't validate it unless I can. But she doesn't, you know, she doesn't say that stuff on her own unless I need to hear it. She can also, and she's done this many times, go into other people's dreams. Dreams and train them that way. She tells me she trains me.
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Danny Jones
Go into other people's dreams.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, like. So I'll give you a couple of. Or she'll go to their dreams or in the in between state. So let me give you a couple of examples. So like, one of my friends, her name's Olivia and she. She was in South Africa at the time, and I got a message at night and she says, hey, Dalia, did Lithu just come visit me? And I said, I don't know, let me go ask her. So my daughter's really into Sonic the Hedgehog. Like she. She's loves Sonic the Hedgehog.
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Danny Jones
Really? That's so funny.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. And so like, I go over to Leathu and she's just. Oh, before I went to Leel. No, I. I said, why do you think Lee, though, isn't. She goes, well, I just woke up and all I could hear is Sonic, Sonic, Sonic. You know. And I said, oh, let me go ask her. That sounds like her. And so I go over there and Leathu's just laughing already, like she knows exactly what I'm gonna ask her. And I was like, what are you laughing at? And she. And then she says, she says this verbally. She goes, it was me. And then I brought out the letter where I'm like, what do you mean? What was you. And she goes. And she spells out, I repeated Sonic. And then I said, well, why did you do that? And she goes, because she asked. And then. So I went to my friend and I said. So she. I told her what she said, and she goes, well, I wasn't going to tell you this, but for the last three days I've been telling, asking Lilu, hey, if you can hear me, let me know. And I guess she expected, you know, her to tell me through the letterboard or something, but I hadn't talked to her for a couple of days on the letterboard. And so that was probably the only way Lilu could tell her by going to her dreams. But there's been several times where I'm meeting someone and this person's going to be important in my life. And so like, for example, Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan, she actually. She works with kids, teaching them blindfold vision, and we were somehow divinely going to meet. So I get on the call with her, a zoom call, and she tells me that she has a dream about Lilu, and I don't think she's even seen a picture of her yet. Yeah. And she said, yeah, like, I saw her and I saw this art canvas, and I saw this color blue going onto the art canvas. She goes, is she an artist? I'm like, she's a huge artist. Yes. And the color blue is the color that's associated, like, that. She identifies with the color blue. Like, that's her. The color blue. And her is the same person. And. And I. And I believe she even saw what she looked like. And then I had an. And. Yeah, we ended up being. Oh, my goodness. She actually just went to a dark room retreat for nine days. And when you go to a dark room. Yeah, darkroom. And that's when you're sitting in complete darkness and you fast. And you have these incredible experiences, these incredible spiritual experiences. You get spiritual visitors. It's an incredible thing. And so she actually just went to one and she said Li Zu visited her twice, and she was telling her about how to teach. Her and another friend from the hill were teaching her how to. How to teach telepathy. And I asked Leo about it, and he was like, yeah, yeah, I did.
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Danny Jones
Have you ever heard about isolation tanks? Have you ever tried that?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, I have.
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Danny Jones
That's pretty bizarre because it literally cuts out all sensory. You're in this floating salt water, right?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah.
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Danny Jones
Your body is literally weightless, and it's pitch black, and it's. It's. It's a crazy experience.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, it's similar to that, except for. With the dark room, you're doing it for several days instead of like. Yeah. And so you can imagine what that does to your mind. Some people kind of panic about it at first, and they always have a way for you to get out if it's too much. But if you manage to stay, you have the most incredible insightful experiences. And.
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Danny Jones
So if you go into these dark room retreats for a few days, the lack of sensory input somehow can awaken this stuff within you.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes. Yeah.
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Danny Jones
And does it last after, or does it kind of.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, it takes. It can. My. My friend, Dr. Edith, she actually said it took her about 10 years to integrate all the information from the first one. She did. And we're still needing to catch up about the second one. She says she has a lot to tell me about the second one. She just barely got out of it, so I'm excited. But, yeah, there people. There's these groups of people. I. I believe they're called the cois in South America. And they actually have the children in caves for years until they become their visionary abilities, become mature, and they're able.
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Danny Jones
What's the name?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I'm gonna say it wrong.
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Danny Jones
Is it still today they do this?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So she said during. I think it's Kogi's. I can't remember the name. But yeah, she said even her first dark room, they were visiting her. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. After the darkroom, she was able to communicate with her unborn children. She didn't even know she was gonna have children yet. And I've met Dr. Edith and I've actually met her children, and they are incredible. Like, they're incredible now. But they knew that they were coming down to do a big work. In fact, her children, before they were born, were saying how this is a time where more of these types of children needed to be born to become the new teachers. And so they were asking her, hey, can you please have us? So that it was like, you have free will. You can make the decision. But, you know, we. We need certain people to have us so that we can start teaching the world.
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Danny Jones
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, she will tell me.
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Danny Jones
That's a question about free will, right? Like, that's. That means, like, do we have free will? Or is. Is the future already determined? Because if the future's already determined, we're not in control.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, according to her, we definitely have decisions we can make, because she will tell me if I'm about to make the wrong decision and go against the teachers. She calls them the teachers, the ones that are guiding us. If I'm about to go off of the path because of things I'm thinking about or something, she'll tell me, like, mom, if you do this, you're going against what they're. And it's stuff that I'm just thinking about and I'm not saying out loud or anything. And she goes, if you do this, you're going off the path and you're going against the teacher is a thing, you know, but she barely does that. But who are the teachers? They're like the mentors. Sometimes they call them angels. Like, she calls them angels sometimes, but she mostly calls them teachers. And they're the ones kind of helping us on our path because we. We made a. This is how she describes it. It's like we decided to play a video game, and. And we went down and we had a plan of what we wanted to do in that video game. And we have these teachers, or whatever they're called, that are helping us to do the plan that we wanted. And they. It's not like they're above us or anything. And they're not helping us because it's their job. It's more like we are. We are just like them, and it's our turn to play the game, and they're going to get to play next. And it's like they're just kind of watching. They won't interfere unless we ask. That's another thing she says.
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Danny Jones
Interesting.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. But she's always saying, mom, tell your teachers this. Tell or ask him to do this. She never says tell. She says, ask. Ask him to help me to spell better. Or ask them.
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Danny Jones
Kind of like praying.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, exact. I always think telepathy is just another Word for prayer. Like, you're just saying. You don't have to say it out loud or anything. You just talk to these beings and they're helping you. And so.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, it's. It's pretty incredible. And every time I, I do ask, I'm always getting responses.
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Danny Jones
How has this whole. How has this experience affected your view on. You said you grew up really religious and going to church, not going to church and stuff, but you were religious, you believed in God and all that stuff. How. How did this affect that belief or that worldview?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
It makes me value the structure of religion even more. So I always see it like there is. There is feminine spirituality. The extreme side of feminine spirituality is running in the woods and taking psychedelics and stuff. That's the extreme side. And then the extreme side of a masculine spirituality is going to a very highly structured church. And so something in between is. There's beauty in both. And something in between is where we are. There's wisdom in both. My daughter, I started going to church again because my daughter really loved. Loves the angels that go there.
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Danny Jones
She likes going there.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, she loves it, like, because of the angels. And a lot of these kids are like, going to church because of the beings that are always being called in these prayers. So some, in fact, one of the researchers, he was a highly. Grew up Catholic, and he was still a very, very Catholic man. And he wasn't even sure. Like, you know, he was hoping that telepathy was real. And when he saw Lily do telepathy the first time, he got so excited. He's like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. You know, and. And then she asked him to read her mind the other way around. He asked her to read his mind. And you know, because he, he had the sensation from her that it was like, safe. And she said, yeah, there was something telepathic already going on, like where she told him before. But anyway, so she reads his mind. Like, he puts a word on his phone and he puts it to the camera. He doesn't show. Leeloo turns off the phone. And then Li Zhu spells it out on the letterboard. Like, he's holding the letterboard. She spells it out. And he was just like, wow. And he's like tearing up and he's like, this is amazing. He goes, but how does this affect. He's like, I'm a religious man. How does this affect that? I said, you don't have to worry about that. Lee do is religious too. And I said, in fact, a lot of these kids are. And and it's not that you need church or anything. It's more like they see the big picture.
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Danny Jones
Yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And they see the value in what they're trying to accomplish. And with, specifically with Leo, she said she just likes that the angels are there.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, my, I think there's, I think there's definitely something to it. I, I, my thing with religion has always been the contesting of the Bible and all the different people who have different interpretations of ancient texts. And the Bible was something that was written by human beings. Human beings are flawed historically and human beings historically want to push narratives. And the Bible has been this 2000 year telephone game, game of telephone that has been pushed by people who had different incentives, different motives, made money doing it by preaching. And you know, my whole thing like, is it, you know, you have to follow certain rules in certain religions and like, the Bible says this or the Bible says this, it's right. Well, I'm like, and then, you know, if you have any ability to reason, it's like, well, no, that doesn't make sense. Like how could that be right? And, but at the same time it's like there's definitely something else out there. Right. That it may not fit in line with the Bible itself, but like, I kind of have like this intuitive thing in me that if people tell me I have to follow a certain code, I don't want to do it.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Right.
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Danny Jones
I've always been like that. So. Yeah, so, yeah, that's always been an interesting question.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, it's. Well, structures, over time they tend to become, people start to think that they are limiting. Like once you're in a structure for a certain amount of time, they start to think this is oppressive. It doesn't matter what the structure is. It could be a government structure, it could be something school, it could be anything. Like Christianity, for example, definitely was a rebellious thing when it first started. It was, what made it so rebellious was this idea that you didn't have to be rich to go to the temple and to be with God. You didn't have, if you were poor, you could still be with God. So it was this idea that everybody could do it. Everybody can have the presence of God with them. And so it started out as this really rebellious thing and people were having to like sneak off and study. And then finally the Roman, you know, after. There's a lot of history behind it, but Roman government said, you know what, we're just going to protect these people now. And you know, there's a lot of like government, there's a Lot of like, reasons why behind it, some egotistic ones, but some of it was good. But they're like, you know what? We're going to make this the dominant religion. We're going to protect these people.
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Danny Jones
Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And. And so it became a church. It started out again like this spiritual movement. And it just became, over time, it became this structure. And then people started to focus on how it was feeling like oppression. There is. There's beautiful things about a structure. And then, you know, like the, the upside of structure is that it. You kind of have this idea of what you're supposed to be when you're. And so there's a lot less anxiety about what you think you're supposed to be. Like, if you are growing up and you actually like the church environment or something, and you have this idea like, well, this is what I'm supposed to do in my life. The downside of like the feminine side of spirituality, again, there's upsides and downsides to both. They're both very important to me. But the downside of it is there is an anxiety that comes with not knowing what you're supposed to do, kind of going out there and discovering it. And so there is this anxiety that comes with. And feeling of isolation, like, oh, what am I supposed to do? And you're studying all these different things and you're feeling kind of lost. So there's like. And we're just talking extremes again, on the upside again of structure and masculine spirituality. So like churches and stuff. The upside is a whole bunch of people are saying these powerful prayers together. And over time, these things are becoming more and more powerful, much more powerful than if you were doing the prayers yourself and so. Or you were just coming up with your own. So when we're doing like these classes like, like blindfold vision classes and we're doing stuff like that that we notice when people are together, much more powerful. Like what they're able to accomplish, way more powerful than if they're trying it on their own. Like, for example, like, I co run these seminars. We're gonna have our first. Like my, my. The guy I co run with, his name is Alex Stefan and he does the telekinesis portion and I do blindfold vision.
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Danny Jones
What's telekinesis?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Telekinesis is when you can. Well, people will say you can move objects with your mind.
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Danny Jones
Okay.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so when people try to do telekinesis on their own, they pretty much get nowhere after a year. Like, they pretty much get nowhere. But in these classes they were able to get like, for example, you know, they're able to move a pinwheel and that's like a little piece of foil on a pin. And you're able to move it with no dome. But on the second day, we're able to put glass over that thing and people are still able to move it. That's just one example. But they're also. They get to the point where after like a couple of days, they're able to move a can on a table with telekinesis and they're able to. There was this one time, like he said that they were able to grow sprouts. Like he would give them these seeds and they would have a control one that no one's touching. And then there's the ones that they have and the very next day they're sprouting and the control ones are not sprouting and stuff like that. He's able to get them to move ping pong balls on the table. So at our seminar, what we're going to do, our next one's in October and we're going to just have people demonstrating high level ability. So, like, I'll be demonstrating the blindfold vision. My daughter will demonstrate telepathy. And we're going to have a guy that can demonstrate electrokinesis so that I know I'm just throwing so much stuff at you. So electrokinesis is the ability to turn off lights and stuff with just your energy. He's able to light light bulbs with his hand. You're able to see electric stuff coming out of his hands. And he's also gonna demonstrate telekinesis. So he's gonna move like big things off the table. Like he's gonna move like cans and stuff without even being near it. And so we're gonna be demonstrating this stuff and then we're gonna teach them how to do it. And they're. Because it's a group, they're gonna pick it up pretty fast. So anyway, the whole thing is like, we're really powerful when we're together. So there is the plus side. But yeah, because we're all ego and stuff. The ego comes in. It can make these amazing. You know, what churches were trying to do was pretty amazing. But then people will come in and kind of mess it up. Kind of like schools and stuff. You know, like people corruption. Yeah, there's always going to be some sort of corruption in an organized thing. And that's the downside of it.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah. And that's been my biggest contention with, with stuff like that. You Know, like, especially if you have one person, you know, when you give somebody power, it's never good. Good. It's usually never good, Right. When you have somebody who has power over all these people, like in a church. Right. And you have. You have all these people, a lot of them, who are probably vulnerable people. Right. And they're. They're giving in to this. This one person who has a direct line to God. Right. And he can say whatever he wants and not to say there's no benefit in, like, having a group together and, and being. And believing in one thing and having that structure. I think that's really important. Important. I think that's beneficial. But you can very see. You can easily see how human nature can turn that whole thing sideways and. And bad things can happen very easily. And they have in the past and. Yeah, you know, before Christianity, there was polytheism, where there was. People were. Oh, it was. In culture and Greek culture, it was standard to believe in many gods. Right. People had a God. There was a God for everything. There was a God of wine and party, a God of the ocean, a God of the sea, a God of the air, like a God of laughter, you know, and it was an interesting time. And that's. That's also what's curious because during that time, 2,000, 3,000 years ago, magic was also talked about a lot. You know, people doing. Doing magic and magicians. Jesus was called a magician. So can we. Can she find out what was going on 2,000 years ago?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, it's funny because, like, even. Even if you're looking at Christianity and stuff, like in the Catholic Church specifically, they had the mystics.
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Danny Jones
Yes.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so the mystics were able to do basically all the stuff Lilu could do.
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Danny Jones
That's crazy to think about.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. And so Lilu actually considers, like, I asked her, I kind of fed. I said, lilu, do you consider yourself a mystic? And she goes, yeah, you can say that. But what you were saying earlier, though, I think it's important to recognize that, like, having one person and people having this idea that that one person needs to be the one that you go to, that's. That's dangerous thinking, I think. And so whenever one of my messages out there is, you know, like, first of all, you don't need me to learn blindfold vision. Like, you already have the ability. You were born with it. And I'm not separate from, like, it's like, I want to put that out there. Like, anybody can do that kind of stuff. Anyone could do telekinesis. Anyone can do it. We all were born with the ability. Try not to think. Like, just because one person is doing it, they're separate from you. And they. They have. They're like, up here and we're down here. And it's not like that. Even my daughter says with telepathy, we all have the ability. We just. It's easy for me to just think, oh, it's because your brain is different from mine. That's why you can do it and I can't. She goes, no, no, no, you still can do it.
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Danny Jones
Yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And it's just kind of remembering that. And the other thing was. Oh, I forgot what the other thing.
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Danny Jones
I mean, it's just like. It's just like anything, you know, If. If you spend your days waking up, rushing off to work, figuring out what you're gonna do for dinner, feeding your kids and your family, just in time to get, you know, maybe six hours of sleep before you gotta wake up and do it all over again. When do people in general have time to just sit down, close their eyes, clear their mind and think about this stuff? 99.9 of people don't. They don't have that time. And, you know, if you're in the position your daughter's in, that's most of her time.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
That's right.
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Danny Jones
So like, imagine if people were able to just disconnect from the world for like. Like if. Imagine, like, that's mandatory. Like, everyone has to take a week, week out of every month and just disconnect and. And go to the woods, turn off everything. Like, imagine how that would. How that might be able to unlock something.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, I think that's so important. I think that's incredible. If everyone were to do something like that the way. It's funny too, because a lot of people think psychic ability here, and this is where I am. So that's another limited idea that some people have, is psych abilities here. This is me. I have to do all kinds of stuff to be able to access these psychic abilities. Not really. Like, psychic abilities can also be as easy if you just not call it psychic abilities and call it your senses, enhanced senses, then don't even call it enhanced senses, just your senses. And you already have the ability to do this. You're just not utilizing them. Or if you don't think you can do it, you're not going to. It could be as easy to access as being able to hear or being able to smell. It's. It's that easy to be able to do these kind of things as long as you know it, and you're kind of. You know, you might have to be trained on it in the beginning just because you have to get your. Wrap your mind around the fact that you can do it. So there's. What I'm usually doing with people is. I'm not. All I'm doing is giving them. How do you say it? Erasing their doubts and slow. And there's these different ways I do it, but all I have to do is show them that they can do it.
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Danny Jones
It.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And then once they see it, it becomes their new reality. And they're like, oh, I guess I do have this ability. But until they know they can, they won't be able to see. It's. It's weird. Like, you have to know it first.
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Danny Jones
Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so with the blindfold, what I do is I. I will have people just put it on. And, you know, we'll.
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Danny Jones
We'll.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I'll kind of train them in how to tell things without their eyes, you know, just by energy. And it gets so incredible. Like, you can really go into another room, and people can just still be able to do it. But what was my point? Yeah. So what I do is I'll trick them into being able to. To see visually. So what I'll do is I'll start by putting colors right here. And at first they can't see it, but then eventually they start to see a little bit of color, and they're thinking maybe. Maybe some light is leaking through my mask. They're going to think that because that's what their mind is capable of rationalizing. And what I'll do is I'll keep going further and further away without them realizing I'm going further away. Or I'll have somebody go farther, and my voice is still next to them, and they're thinking, oh, I must just be peeking right here, when really I'm like, way over there now. Or I might be way behind them. And I'll purposely go to a place like that. And then I'll say, go ahead and take off your mask and see where you're looking. And they're like, what the. They're like, the whole time I thought I was just, like, looking right here, but you're like, 10ft behind me. How did you do that? You know? And so once they see that and experience. Once they experience it, it goes from belief to knowing, and it becomes the new reality. And then they're able to do it. And it's just. So much of it is just our knowing that we can. It's so amazing that if we, half the time we don't even think that we can have certain ability. We don't even think to think that way. And the other half is like, we just don't really believe we can. And so that stops us from doing it.
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Danny Jones
So the people in academia, the scientific people who are doing these studies that are inviting you, I think you said Harvard and Stanford. The people that interested in this, do they explain to you what their hypothesis is or. Or what specifically they're trying to do? Like, how are they. How are they conducting this study? Like, what types of things are they asking you? Are they doing with you guys?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, right now it's just basic, super basic telepathy. Just trying to show that telepathy is real. Like, that's what with. As far as. With the. The vision without eyes, I have actually been and reached out with them. I'm working with. Oh my gosh, Alex Gomez. He's in Spain. He's. He's researching it. And then also with ions. And so ions has reached out, like with Dean Raiden and everything.
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Danny Jones
The Ions Institute.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, so they've reached out. Stanford, that. That one's in California, like northern, the Bay Area, I think.
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Danny Jones
And what is their conventional explanation for you for. For explaining just the, the stuff with looking, with. With seeing, stuff with the blindfolds on.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
You know, hindsight, they. That's what they're trying to figure out. Like, it's more about trying to figure out what's going on.
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Danny Jones
Has anyone ever tried to give a conventional explanation for it? Like, oh, that's just this.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Some people. Okay. Some people think it might be dermal vision. Like we have senses in our skin.
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Danny Jones
I. Dermal vision?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So. Okay, so I work with blind people and I'm talking people with no eyes. People who were born blind, never seen light a day in their life, and in just a couple days they're reading, you know, and, and how do they go from one to the other? Like, a lot of it is mindset. They know that I can do it and they know other. Other blind people have done it so that they know they have enough. It's. It's. You know how. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so it's almost like you have to have faith. You know how the Bible even says you have to have faith to see something happen? It's kind of like, I don't like saying the word faith because a lot of people associate faith to like, a belief. And for me it's more like you have to have a knowing and so they already have the knowing because I can do it. And I've taught other people, so they already have that and they trust what I say. And so when I say it, they just start having the experience. So anyway, so yeah, with blind people, it's the weirdest thing. They open in the same areas as a sighted person does. You know, we have windows when we open up. And so there's certain places where on our head and on our skin where we're seeing. And so that's why you'll see us the sighted or blind, you'll see us kind of moving to see more. And it's because we'll have windows selling. For example, I worked with a blind woman with no eyes. Like she blind since birth and she's able to see like right here. She's also got. She can see behind her head too, and down here really, really well. And.
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Danny Jones
And the scientific explanation for that is dermal vision.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No, that's just one explanation. That's. It's more like a hypothesis that right now, like, we really don't know what's. We are still. So we're in the baby stages of this stuff. But yeah, like what I do with blind people, so what I do is I get them really good at being able to sense things. And I do the same with sighted. Get them really good at being able to sense things through touch at first because their mind can rationalize touch. Like, okay. And then I get them really good at being able to be near something. So they have their hands over it and they can tell what it is. And then let's say I have two shapes. I'll put the shapes up here. They put their hands here. They could tell it apart. And then I start to say, okay, no hands anymore. Just tell me what it is. And they can tell them. They can, they can tell. And then I start gradually moving away and they can always tell. So I'm starting with these different senses that they don't realize they have. And we're making them even with smell, you can tell it apart by smell too, even at a distance. And so we're getting them good at all this. Finally once they see like, hey, all of these weaker senses, I've always been able to tell it apart. So when I tell a them now we're going to use light. And they've never seen light in their life. When I tell them that they, they believe it because they've already been able to tell it apart in all these different ways. And so we go. Just takes them like five minutes to be Able to see light. And again, I. I don't know how it's happening. I just know what happens. And so I just know how to teach it. And so, yeah, so what I usually do with a blind person or just. I do it with sighted too cited has. You have to have a blindfold or something. Something. What I do is I'll start off by saying, because contrast is how you tell the difference. So I'll start off by putting them in a dark room, and it has to be a completely dark room. And then I'll say, I just want you to tell me if there's light or if it's darkness. Tell me the difference. And I'll usually have something like a little light that I can go like this, so there's no sound or anything. And they get really good at that in just like a couple of minutes. And then once they're good, I start moving the source of light to different areas. They get really good at being able to tell me where they are. Like, we do these little things where they get so good that they can tell me if it's behind them, in front of them, to the sides. Then they get to the point. I kind of have to teach them how to point because blind people usually have never really pointed before. So they're pointing, but I teach them how to point, and they'll get really good at pointing to where the light source is and when I move it, being able to track it and all of this stuff. So they get really good at that. Again, doesn't take that long. It takes like an hour max. So they can do that part. Once they can do that, that. That's white light and dark. That's white and black, basically, white light and darkness. And so the next thing I do to introduce color is, what I'll do is I'll bring in a color and I'll say, tell me. And I'll put the color in front of the light and I'll say, are you looking at darkness, white light, or something different? And so I always say something different because they have no idea what colors look like. And they'll. They get good at that. So it takes them a few minutes, but then they can start saying, hey, I see what the something different is. And once they can easily detect that something different, I'll tell them the color. I'm like, that's right, that's red. That's right, that's red. And then once they're really, really good at detecting red, then I'll introduce the next color. I'll Say, is it white light, red, darkness, or different? And we'll do it again until they get most of the colors. After that, then we can bring them into a lit room and have them do it there. Because. And then next step is telling them, hey, now that you can see colors, you should be able to see shapes. And they get really nervous. I'm like, no, no, it's just colors. You're just looking for the white, and then you're looking for, you already know, white light and darkness. Guess what? Darkness is just black and white light. So I want you to just find the whites, and then they'll find them. Like, now I want you to find the black and white and just describe what you're seeing. And then so from that, they start to differentiate shapes. And then I introduce letters and stuff to them once they're really good at shapes and they get nervous again. And I says, letters are just shapes. All you have to do is describe the shapes that you're seeing. And as soon as they're describing it, they kind of already know, like, oh, there's two slanted lines touching each other. Then there's a. Oh, so it must be an A. And so they'll do that. And then once they're good at that, I start putting it together. And then I'll be like, yep, you know, go ahead and tell me what you read or you see. And they'll say all three letters, and then they'll say the word. I'm like, okay, you just read your first word, you know, and. And so it gets very emotional for them. And. But yeah, this is an ability. Like, you don't have to have eyes. Like, and what's really fun is once a blind person is doing this, there's a lot of other little games I do with depth perception and all this stuff, but once they are doing it, I will give them a blindfold just for fun and say, and go ahead and read this for me and. And. And tell me the shapes. And they're usually better at it with the blindfold because it's blocking out more light. One person told me it's because it creates this contrast, the blindfold, and helps them to see a little better.
- [86:28]
Danny Jones
Interesting.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, so. And so. I always find it so fun. I like. It's so fun for me. I'm like, wow, a blind man with a blindfold. And he's sitting there reading and stuff. And so crazy.
- [86:39]
Danny Jones
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Dahlia Burgoyne
So I have several.
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Danny Jones
You brought me one too.
- [88:02]
Dahlia Burgoyne
I have several blindfolds. They're all different. So they're all. These are all blackout masks.
- [88:07]
Danny Jones
Yeah. I can't see anything. It's completely black.
- [88:10]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So these are all different ones. They're all black out. Blackout. They block out all light.
- [88:17]
Danny Jones
No party tricks here. These things are literally like hard plastic blindfolds.
- [88:22]
Dahlia Burgoyne
So let's see how good I can do right now. Let me see if I can see behind me.
- [88:26]
Danny Jones
Me.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I'm just curious cuz the ones that.
- [88:29]
Danny Jones
You want to grab some of these and hold them up behind her and see if she can see them. Yeah.
- [88:34]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Well this one right here is a closed square.
- [88:36]
Danny Jones
Yeah, that's a black square.
- [88:38]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay, let me shake, shake, shake. This is a closed circle.
- [88:42]
Danny Jones
Yep, that's right.
- [88:44]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. Oh, is this like a open plus.
- [88:48]
Danny Jones
Open plus sign Y.
- [88:49]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. And this one is. What is. Is this? It's a close something closed square.
- [88:56]
Danny Jones
Yep.
- [88:56]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. It confused me because I'm like, didn't I already see a Square. What the. Is this a closed triangle?
- [89:03]
Danny Jones
Yes.
- [89:03]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, my gosh. I thought, wow again. I was like, did I see that already? This is a. Wait a minute. Is this a. This is not a plus, is it?
- [89:12]
Danny Jones
Nope.
- [89:13]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, okay. This is an open something.
- [89:16]
Danny Jones
Yep.
- [89:17]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Come on. Is it an open triangle?
- [89:19]
Danny Jones
It is.
- [89:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. That's why. Okay, I'll do two more. Open circle.
- [89:23]
Danny Jones
Yep.
- [89:24]
Dahlia Burgoyne
And this is a plus.
- [89:27]
Danny Jones
That's a plus. That's correct.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes. Okay.
- [89:29]
Danny Jones
And those were all behind your head?
- [89:31]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. Let's do an another mask just for fun.
- [89:34]
Danny Jones
So if I can hold. If I was able to hold something up in front of you, would you be able to read it?
- [89:38]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, probably. Let's try it.
- [89:41]
Danny Jones
I'm gonna go grab some books over from the other room. I'll be right back.
- [89:43]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. I'm gonna try also to put these all bunch packs, patches and stuff on.
- [89:48]
Danny Jones
Okay.
- [89:48]
Dahlia Burgoyne
We'll see what I can do. And if I suck, I'll just take them off.
- [89:50]
Danny Jones
Yeah. Can you get her to describe, like, why. Like, how she. Like, why she was putting. It's like she had a specific window that she could see.
- [89:59]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So there's like. That was. The clearest window was on this side right here. I also have one here and one up, Like, I have two up here too, and.
- [90:08]
Danny Jones
Wow.
- [90:09]
Dahlia Burgoyne
So. Yeah, so that one was the clear. I probably could have seen over here too, but I'm like. I don't want to, like, like, mess it up right now, but.
- [90:16]
Danny Jones
So these are. These are like medical eye patches or something, right?
- [90:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So they kind of tape your eyes shut. Hopefully. You know, some days I see much better than others, so we'll see.
- [90:28]
Danny Jones
Is there a certain part of your, like, field of view around your head that you can see the best? Is it always right in front?
- [90:37]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, because it seems like you're.
- [90:38]
Danny Jones
It seems like the. The eyeballs have nothing to do with it.
- [90:41]
Dahlia Burgoyne
They shouldn't, but I do. I recommend when you're first starting out, see, right now I can't see anything. Like, I've conditioned myself to not see with. And I do that on purpose to make sure that it's totally covering my eyes. You could condition yourself to. To see through the patches too. Oh, man, I hope I could do this. I hope I'm not going to see me right now. No, not right now. I hope I can. When I put on the blindfold.
- [91:06]
Danny Jones
The blindfold helps, huh?
- [91:08]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. Let's see what happens. Okay. Yeah, I can. It's halfway open, so I can. I can still see.
- [91:19]
Danny Jones
You can still see?
- [91:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. I can still see.
- [91:21]
Danny Jones
Okay. How many fingers am I holding up?
- [91:24]
Dahlia Burgoyne
4.
- [91:26]
Danny Jones
How many fingers am I holding up now?
- [91:28]
Dahlia Burgoyne
It's one. See, the windows are kind of small.
- [91:30]
Danny Jones
Yeah, you're right. You're right. Okay, I got. I got a stack of books here.
- [91:33]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay.
- [91:34]
Danny Jones
That you have not seen there. I'm going to keep them under the desk.
- [91:37]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Come on, open. Oh, they're starting to open. Yay. Okay.
- [91:39]
Danny Jones
All right.
- [91:40]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. Hopefully I can see. Okay, let's do it. So this says Area 51. It says. What is that? Send uncensored. What did that say? Something. Top secret military base.
- [91:56]
Danny Jones
Yep, that's right. My God. H.
- [92:02]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay, so this one is windows open. Says mother of God.
- [92:09]
Danny Jones
Yep.
- [92:10]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay, it's starting to open more. I'm starting to see on both sides now. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, perfect. Yay.
- [92:16]
Danny Jones
Now, this is a weird word, so this might be. Okay, this will test you.
- [92:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
This one says Satan.
- [92:23]
Danny Jones
Yep. Yep, that's it.
- [92:25]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay.
- [92:26]
Danny Jones
Holy. That's insane.
- [92:29]
Dahlia Burgoyne
And that says chaos. Charles Manson.
- [92:34]
Danny Jones
Read it through your fingers. She. She said it before you behind your head.
- [92:38]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Would you be able to see it right now? Not so good. I can see the, like. Yeah. The wind, the back windows. I can see colors and shapes best right now because I don't use them enough.
- [92:48]
Danny Jones
This one is going to be super easy for you.
- [92:50]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay? It says cell. It says shadow. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Shadow and cell.
- [92:58]
Danny Jones
Shadow. Cell. I don't know how the hell that just happened. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, can I. I could just tell. What? Can I. Can I touch? Can she see this screen here? Hold on. I got an idea. I bought this, so this is one I bought. I bought this one on. On Amazon. So throw this one on top of it so we know you didn't bring this one with you. I bought this one on Amazon.
- [93:23]
Dahlia Burgoyne
What are we talking about? You talking about another mask?
- [93:26]
Danny Jones
Yeah, this is another mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [93:30]
Dahlia Burgoyne
I just took it off some blind again.
- [93:32]
Danny Jones
There you go.
- [93:33]
Dahlia Burgoyne
All right. Oh, super tight.
- [93:36]
Danny Jones
Do you want me to loosen it for you?
- [93:39]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, come on. Yeah. Because I don't want to. Like. Like I said, you can pierce through, but I don't want to because I want to make sure words totally cover me.
- [93:47]
Danny Jones
We gotta. We gotta, you know, do everything we can to make sure that there's no funny business going on here, Dahlia. So try this. Okay. Right in front of you.
- [94:04]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. That's better.
- [94:05]
Danny Jones
It's upside down.
- [94:08]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay.
- [94:09]
Danny Jones
All right, so I got this screen up here, and I'll just. Okay. He's gonna type in some words. Words he'll type something in. There's a screen to your right. He hasn't typed yet. Okay.
- [94:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Hi, Dahlia.
- [94:22]
Danny Jones
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God.
- [94:31]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Big flower.
- [94:33]
Danny Jones
Well, all right.
- [94:34]
Dahlia Burgoyne
This one was pretty tight, too. This one was, like, squeezing my head.
- [94:38]
Danny Jones
Wow.
- [94:39]
Dahlia Burgoyne
And yeah. Yeah, totally blind. Like, I can't see anything right now. Like, that's when I first was learning. I. You know, once I started seeing, I remember, like, trying a blind or one of these things on one eye. I was so scared. I'm like, what if I can't see and I lose my ability? And. And then I put it on. I'm like, whoa, I can still see. And then I put one on the other eye, and again I'm like, you know, I took this one off, put it here. I'm like, whoa, I can still see. And then I was really scared to put both on.
- [95:08]
Danny Jones
Now. Do you think I could be able to learn how to do that?
- [95:10]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, everybody can.
- [95:11]
Danny Jones
How do I do it?
- [95:13]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, this. The main. The main secret that. That I didn't realize until I went into the seminar, the main secret is light. So when you're first opening, like, once. Once you're open, you. So you know how I said I was doing a dark walk, and I was walking in the dark all the time, and all. All I saw was, like, the outlines, which was cool. It was really awesome. But I was like, why can't I see colors and shapes and all that stuff? And so finally, once you put it. So you'll see when we're kind of teaching it, you see that we put a flashlight in you, and that's what activates it. Or going outside, you might need to be around people that can do it just to have the belief strong enough. But that's what. What activates it at first. And if you give me, you know, like, with the scientists, they give me these weird masks that are, like. They cover everything. Cover your head, your sides, your back, and down here, like, it's like putting a box on your head.
- [96:12]
Danny Jones
Yeah.
- [96:13]
Dahlia Burgoyne
And with those ones at, like, when I put it over my mask, I had to again, use a flashlight again, like, from the beginning to be able to activate and go through it. And so light somehow. And so you remember how I said with blind people, we do the sense of light. Light. That's what we're doing with the blindfold you're giving. You're making them blind and then giving them light. Say, what's the difference? Is it light or is it darkness? So you're doing the same exact thing when Blind people open, they're having the same experience as decided when they're blindfolded. The only difference is they're seeing for the first time. So you kind of have to teach them how to navigate the world. That's the only difference. But when they're opening, it's very similar. Blind people are more accepting of behind them, though. And so, like. So with them, I could easily. I. I don't. Because it's not practical, but I could easily get them reading behind them.
- [97:00]
Danny Jones
So I could bl. So you could put the blindfold on, and I could hold an object behind you, and you'd be able to tell me, like, the general shape of it or what it is?
- [97:07]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, like a shape or a color or something.
- [97:10]
Danny Jones
Let's try that real quick.
- [97:11]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay.
- [97:11]
Danny Jones
Just do a regular blindfold. Steve, what do you have? Do you have something that.
- [97:15]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, yeah, I got. I got.
- [97:17]
Danny Jones
What do I got?
- [97:18]
Dahlia Burgoyne
See, Try to have it be colorful, full, so I can.
- [97:21]
Danny Jones
Colorful. I got an idea. Okay, Here, Steve, try this.
- [97:24]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Let's see here. Which blindfold do I want? All right, give me a second to. Okay, get this on right. Okay.
- [97:34]
Danny Jones
This will be more shocking for people because you got a blindfold on, and we're gonna put something. Random stuff behind you.
- [97:38]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay.
- [97:39]
Danny Jones
She hasn't. And. And folks listening and watching. She hasn't seen what I got. I'm. Put it on her camera, Steve, so they'll. They'll see. You'll be behind her holding the object.
- [97:50]
Dahlia Burgoyne
We'll see what I can do. Usually it has to be like, okay.
- [97:53]
Danny Jones
Do I have to hold it within your. The. The window? Yeah, hold it in front of you, Steve. Okay.
- [97:59]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. Can you move it around? Because moving helps. Oh, I'm seeing something. But is it, like. Can you move it again?
- [98:10]
Danny Jones
He's moving it.
- [98:12]
Dahlia Burgoyne
I'm definitely seeing it, but I can't make it out right now. Is it, like, blue or green?
- [98:16]
Danny Jones
Green.
- [98:16]
Dahlia Burgoyne
No, I wanted. Oh, it's not. Huh?
- [98:19]
Danny Jones
My shirt is blue. Oh, maybe he isn't. Yeah.
- [98:23]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Can I. Can I hold it and. Oh, then I'm gonna know the shape.
- [98:26]
Danny Jones
But yeah, then you know what it is.
- [98:28]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, I still don't know what it is, but I see it, but I can't tell what it is. Yeah, I can't tell what it is. What is it? Well, I guess I'll just look.
- [98:42]
Danny Jones
It's just a pyramid. It's a white pyramid.
- [98:45]
Dahlia Burgoyne
It's white. That's what it is. So sometimes in my back windows, if you give me, like, words or something, I can know exactly what it says. And if I look at it, it looks like Greek, and it's very weird. Or certain shapes, too. Like. Or. No, I can see shapes pretty well, but it'll look. Not like, specifically Greek. But I'll put it behind me, and.
- [99:09]
Danny Jones
If we hold something that's a specific color, we'll tell what color it is. Is.
- [99:12]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, for the most part. Let's try that again.
- [99:14]
Danny Jones
Okay. Try. Pick something that. That's a. A very unique or just a. A color. Something that has.
- [99:18]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, yeah, I got.
- [99:19]
Danny Jones
I got contrast color behind her. Yeah. Okay, let's see. I. I definitely got something that's just. That's one specific color. And again, folks, she has not seen this. The blindfold's already on. It's there. Now move it around.
- [99:43]
Dahlia Burgoyne
What the. Like, I'm seeing. Can I hold it again?
- [99:47]
Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah.
- [99:47]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Is it, like, red?
- [99:48]
Danny Jones
Let her hold it. Okay, see, now it's got. That's a different. Yeah, see, that's not a good one.
- [99:57]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Is this.
- [99:58]
Danny Jones
That's his phone, but he's a phone case. But. Okay, this is the side with the color.
- [100:02]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Okay. Huh. Why am I not seeing it right now? This side I'm seeing more. Yeah, I'm not seeing it right now. Do you have, like, a. I wish I had brought a bunch of colorful things, like bright color or something.
- [100:16]
Danny Jones
Hmm. What's that? Try this. Bright, Colorful. There you go. This is very bright. All right. Turn the other side. Do the other side. There you go.
- [100:33]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Can you move it around?
- [100:37]
Danny Jones
It's a complex shape.
- [100:40]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, my. That's so weird. I'm not getting it today. Let her hold it again. Let me do this side.
- [100:54]
Danny Jones
Side.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
It's so weird. I'm seeing it, but I can't make out the color. It's like black and white right now. Watch. It'll come in like. Like a two minutes. Yeah, I'm not seeing the color right now. Let's see what it is.
- [101:11]
Danny Jones
Take your blindfold off.
- [101:13]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, yeah, I see it now.
- [101:14]
Danny Jones
Oh, you can see it now?
- [101:15]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, in the front. Because I brought it to the front.
- [101:17]
Danny Jones
It's a glue gun.
- [101:19]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, I can.
- [101:20]
Danny Jones
Can.
- [101:21]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. If it's in the front, I could tell you everything. It's the ones back here that are. Yeah, I'm still not seeing that color. That's weird. Yeah, it's. The back windows are just tricky sometimes. Like, I'll do it on stage. Here you go. I'll do it on stage. And, like, sometimes the colors look like each other. Like, green and blue look like each other. And red and orange look each other and then when I'm on stage I'm like, oh man, they both look exactly the same. And I'm like it's either red or orange. And you know, I'll say something like.
- [101:48]
Danny Jones
That and like yeah, yeah, that's so. That's so bizarre. And so. So you've taught other people to do the same thing?
- [101:59]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah. They actually like, because I'm the teacher and they're the students, I can get them to go much further than me. So like with some students, without even activating their light sense yet so they're not actually visually seeing it, they. I can get them to tell what things are in another room.
- [102:16]
Danny Jones
Room.
- [102:16]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Like just by sense.
- [102:17]
Danny Jones
In another room.
- [102:20]
Dahlia Burgoyne
So yeah, like just by sense. Cuz you can sense it by energy, you can sense it by where it is in your body. And so I gradually get them to go a more distance until I'm in another room.
- [102:32]
Danny Jones
Wow, that's so crazy. Have you ever done any of these, these tests like similar to the remote viewing tests with your daughter to where like, like for example, here's a coordinate and here's a time. Have you ever tested anything like that with her?
- [102:49]
Dahlia Burgoyne
Not yet.
- [102:50]
Danny Jones
Not yet. Okay.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No. But we have accidentally captured her doing precognition where she would know letters and words and stuff before I actually would roll it. And so some of that's been caught. But I also know she'll know that I'm going to get invited to something before I do.
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Danny Jones
Like, well, it's like rolling a dice. Like say before I roll the dice, can you tell what I'm going to roll?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, Yeah. I haven't trained or tested her enough on it like at all. But she's done it randomly and she said that she can.
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Danny Jones
Have you ever played the lottery?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
No. No. Yeah. And her like with Lilu and the other spellers, they're. They're like almost. Their ego is almost non existent. So. So yeah, I don't know if she would either.
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Danny Jones
Right, right, right. Yeah. You know the. I could, I could see how you wouldn't want to use that for certain things like making money, stuff like that. That could get, that could get weird. God, it's so strange. It's so crazy. There was a, there was another story in the, in the telepathy tapes thing where. And this really one really resonated me where one of the kids, he wanted rocks or something and she brought the kids rocks and someone like prayed over the rocks or blessed the rocks and like as soon as she Brought the rocks home. The mother, the daughter, like, rushed in, says, rocks, rocks, rocks. And she wanted the rocks and because the energy around the rocks. And she explained that that energy is like, palpable for them. Like energy, whether it be good or bad, it, it is real to them. And the girl was like, she put the rocks around the edge of her bed and she was like, getting like, just like staring at them so wild to me.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. Like every day I'm learning more about what she can do and what we're all capable of doing. And it was her idea that we were supposed to start teaching telepathy. And I'm like, I don't even feel like, like she's, she's already pointed out, like, she always tells people, you're actually going to be big until I. You're going to be before they even know it.
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Danny Jones
Well, the crazy thing is like, the, the, the way scientists look at this stuff, the way scientists explain cognition is from a materialist perspective. As if you start from the material world, you start from atoms, electrons, and then you build up. And the very tip of the pyramid is consciousness. Right. We don't know what consciousness is, but it seems like that, that's the other way around. It's, it's, it's backwards. It seems like like consciousness comes first and consciousness is, is like this ubiquitous thing. I mean, especially listening to the way you're describing this stuff and having this shared perception or this shared thoughts. Right. It seems like it's just like almost like consciousness is just all around us and our minds are like antennas that can tap into it. Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
That's how I, or like sample it. Yeah. What's interesting is I was always kind of sad because I thought my daughter, like, didn't have any friends. And a lot of mothers of kids with autism, they think something similar. And then comes to find out she's been having friends her whole life and she just meets up with them at the hill.
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Danny Jones
Yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And. Yeah, like there when I went.
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Danny Jones
What is the hill for? People that don't know.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
It's this ethereal place that you're able to meet with others and a bunch of teachers. Are there other beings? Some people. Some of them are human, but never were born. Some of them are angelic type creatures. And yeah, they all have kind of these jobs there. Like my daughter says she's a volunteer, so she kind of helps when people are ascending. And you don't have to have autism to go there. You can, anybody can go. You just kind of have to ascend. I, I still haven't gone there myself, but I've met people that have. There was this one story where this one woman, she says to me, like, hey, can I talk to your daughter? Like, I'm on zoom with her. And so I bring Lilu down, and she says to my daughter, like, she's never met her before. And she says, hey, do you recognize her? Me? And my daughter's like, yes. And she's spelling it out. And she goes, how do you recognize me? She goes, you were teaching at the hill. And I'm like, really? And then the woman goes, and what was I teaching? And I was like, what the heck? And then. And then I can't remember what my daughter said, but the woman said, that's right. I was trying to teach a song. And then she says, can you sing the song? And my daughter starts singing and. And then she's like, that's right. That does sound like what the song sounds like. And then she goes, can you name the song? And my daughter just described. Describes what the song was about. She didn't actually say the name, she just describes. And she goes, yeah, that is what the song's about. And I was like, this is insane. This is the first time I've heard of someone that wasn't on the spectrum going there. And she goes, well, I don't know how much I'm not on the spectrum. So she said. She. She was saying, I'm probably am on the spectrum, the woman. But. But yeah, like my daughter says, anyone can go there. I've met a couple of people that could speak that has actually been there. And yeah, she keeps telling me, my daughter, every day, like, they're. They're waiting for you. Like, come on. Like, also. So these eavesdroppers, she calls them. So eavesdroppers are people or beings that they use telepathy and they're transporting themselves in there, which. Anyway, she said that they influence, you know, when we ask. But I don't know if you know who Sean McNamara is. He actually kind of teaches blindfold vision, and he teaches telekinesis and.
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Danny Jones
Sean McNamara.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So. So I woke up one day and he was on my. He's like, on my list of friends, but I've never really had a conversation with him. And I woke up one day and I had this strong sense of, like, I'm supposed to reach out to him, and I didn't even understand why. And so I reach out and I said, hey, I'm wondering if you wanted to talk to my daughter. And this is before my Daughter really got out there with her telepathy. And he's like, yeah. He's like. And I said, yeah, my. He's like, I've actually been listening to. Listening to the telepathy tapes a lot. And I said, oh, my daughter actually has telepathy. And so we get on the call and he's told me that for the past few days he had been. He had. I had just listened to the telepathy tapes. And he said, for the past few days he's been talking to the hill and saying, hey, my name is. This here's my phone number. If you guys need any help, reach out. And so. And so I asked my daughter, she was right next to me, and I said, hey, so did you. Do you know why I reached out to him? Why I felt that strong sensation to reach out? And she goes, yeah, we heard him, and you were the quickest way to answer him. Like, it was. And so they were the ones influencing me to go and do it. And so that's happened a lot where I'm highly influenced and I feel this strong sensation to do something. And she would say, it's. It's them at the hill using me because I'm the closest way. I'm the closest way to get the message across or something.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
So that's happened a lot too.
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Danny Jones
And. And she's also talked about that the previous lives thing is interesting and like reincarnation, because that's not. That doesn't jive with the Bible, right?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
It could. Like, there's some. There are some hints in the Bible as well. Like there's this one story I was telling this blind man, and he was 40 years old, he's in his 40s. And he said, like, he was a little sad that he only started doing this now and he could have done it his whole life. And I remember telling him, you know, this reminds me of a Bible story where Jesus heals a blind man. And he went over to the blind man, and his disciples said, who sinned that he was born blind? Was it him or was it his parents? And so the Jim saying him, meaning he must have sinned before in another life. That was the implication by that verse. And so just to tell you, so going into that story, and Jesus's response was, nobody did, because back then they believed if you had blindness or if you were ill, it was because of a sin. And so he was trying to teach the concept, like, no, nobody sinned. He was born blind so that this moment could be made manifest so that the world can see what's possible. And so that's what I was telling him. I said, that's why you're getting this healing now, or healing, I did not say the word healing. That's why you're just discovering this ability now. So people can know that you can be born blind, you could be in your 40s, you can be, you can be just starting it right now and still do it. And you don't have to have a background in science or spirituality. You don't have to meditate all day. You have to be a vegan. Like, because that's what he said to me. He's like, I'm surprised, like you're not doing that all the time. And I was like. And so I, I said, so that's what I believe is the reason that you're doing it now. Like, so people can know. And just like in that Bible story. But anyway, so that was two things I was saying. So in that story they did suggest that there was reincarnation. So, but I don't know, like, I, I still struggle myself with the idea of. Because I don't know if it's reincarnation or my daughter is able to tap into other timelines. So that's what I'm not sure about. I, I have to ask her because I get a lot of information like that from like, and I can't tell the difference. They're so similar.
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Danny Jones
So yeah, I feel like I would just have so many questions.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, every time she answers me, I have more questions.
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Danny Jones
Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
My younger girls, I have a four year old and a six year old. They remember having. Well, my six year old doesn't remember, but she says she knows this is a new body. Like, so she says that my 4 year old actually remembers having a totally different body and a totally different life.
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Danny Jones
Life.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so I'm like, okay, so it sounds like. But again, you can always argue they're going into another timeline. Like, so I, I can't tell if it's recarnation, reincarnation, or other timelines that they're visiting. Whoa.
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Danny Jones
There was a gentleman I talked to on here who said that there was an actual study done on children that remembered previous lives. And he said that the, the one common denominator between all of these kids who had remembered, remembered previous lives was that they were males and there was some sort of connection with trauma.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, I've heard that before too.
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Danny Jones
There was like, Because I guess in the past, if you were to die a violent death, you were most likely a male. Right. Because Males were in combat and, and all this, all these types of things. So I thought that was, that was super interesting, like some sort of connection with trauma. Yeah, you hear a lot of stories about people who have today like been through tremendous amounts of trauma, who are more open to these things. More open to these extra sensory.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, and it's kind of like what I was saying earlier, like when I have an emotion attached to a memory, then I remember it better. Those childhood memories, it's because I felt negative. There was something that made me feel bad then and that's why I remember it so well. And I would think it's the same. In fact I've, I've heard that memory, the memory part of you, your brain that remembers things from before. People who can remember really well, they're the ones that have better access to past lives, especially under hypnosis. So that's what I've been hearing. My one daughter though, so she's not my four year old. She's not at the age where she's lying or exaggerating yet. And she went into so many details about a previous life with me and her. And speaking of my other kids, like they're still too young for me to know what they have abilities wise. But there is one thing I thought was interesting is my 6 year old seems to have the same ability as Lidu to talk to someone that's dreaming. Because Lee though, does that talk to.
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Danny Jones
Somebody else who's dreaming or, or someone.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
In streaming can talk to her while she's awake. And so I remember one day, this is when I discovered my 6 year old can do it. I was sitting and I was on the computer, my 6 year old was watching TV and she just stand and my 4 year old is asleep on the couch over there. And my 6 year old gets up and she says, hey mom, she's dreaming that she just wet her pants. And I was like what? And she goes yeah, she's dreaming that she's wetting her pants. And I said well how do you know that? She goes because she just told me. And she's like, she's sleep talking, talking. And I, I started to have that face like what are you talking about? And then she started to look nervous and I was like oh no, no, I can't do that. I said that's awesome sweetie. So tell me more. And she's like, I said if you can hear her while she's dreaming, that's really cool. And she goes yeah, yeah, it's sleep talking. And she goes, and she's like, I tried sleep talking with you yesterday while she was asleep and I was awake and she said you were sitting there and I tried to tell you I loved you and you didn't hear me and, and so I thought you didn't love me. And she got a little sad and I was like, and like I was, was like, oh no, I really just didn't hear you, sweetie. And then my 4 year old sits up and then I ask her what she was dreaming about and she's like. And then she was saying how like she wet her pants and I said, you dreamt that you wet your pants? And she's like, huh? And then she like lays back down and goes back to sleep. And I was like, whoa, that is so crazy. And then I asked Lidu, she comes out and I said, lidu, have you heard of this thing called sleep dong? She's like, of course. You know, like Lilu just says like that's my, my 15 year old. And, and I, she's like, of course. And then basically that's what she does and when she's helping us in dreams at night and, and she. So Lilu does that all the time. I just didn't think it was the same thing. So there, that's what I was saying earlier. There's so many abilities that we don't even have a name for yet because we just don't think to think that way. And, and I learned so much more about these extra abilities through my daughter. So it's just, it's insane. So one of the reasons, okay, so I've always had the ability to kind of go out of my body and stuff. Like I've always been able to do that. And especially in my early 20s, I used to do it a lot more. And like my, my late teenage years and, and what I would always do, sometimes it would be spontaneous. I didn't like that. But what I would always do is I would meditate until my body kind of goes numb. It takes about 20, 30 minutes and then once I'm not really feeling my body anymore, I kind of expand and go out. And I've always thought you had to take like at least 30 minutes to be able to do it it like for your body to fall asleep and your consciousness is still awake and then you come out. I always thought that's how it worked. But my daughter can do it instantly. And the one thing I notice is the similarity is she doesn't really feel her body very much. In fact, when I'm communicating with her like she's always wanted me to touch her so she can come back down and it's easier for her to spell. And she can feel her body senses. And she says, yeah, whenever. Whenever she wants to be more in her body, that's what she does to. She'll focus on our senses. And so I remember asking her one day, I said, how is it, like, you're able to access these beings in real time? Because you can. You can ask her, like, hey, what do my angels say about this? And she can tell you in real time, like. Like immediately. She can start spelling, and it'll be stuff that only you know. It'll be stuff like that. There's no possible way she could know. And. And she'll spell it out, and she could do it in real time. And I was like, how do you do that? Lilu. How come? Like. Like, for me to have any experience like that, I have to meditate and I have to do all this stuff. And she says the difference is basically, first of all, it's my limited belief that I have to meditate and relax and all this. But that's not her words. Those are mine. But she says the thing that she does that's different is she goes into a state of ecstasy. And by going into a state of ecstasy, you'll forget everything again still, and that's a quicker way. And so you'll notice when she's spelling and she is talking to angels and stuff, she is being really happy and silly and laughing and moving around, and she's, like, super happy. And she becomes extra, extra childlike. And so she says that's how she does it. And a lot of the kids kind of do it like that too.
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Danny Jones
Has she ever described to you, like, other kids that she's met on the hill that she's talked to, that. That you were like, able to eventually, like, meet in real life?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes, most of the people, it's. It's hard to, like, perfectly validate it, but most of the people that I come across that have kids like this, it's because the kids kind of brought us together. Like, for example, my friend in New Jersey, I hadn't talked to her since high school, and I remember one day I was doing a demonstration video for Contact in a desert. And I remember out of nowhere, she came to my mind strongly. And I sent her. I said, hey, I don't know why, but I feel like sending this video to you of Lidu demonstrating telepathy. I hadn't talked to her since high school, and turns out, like, she had just prayed, said she has an autistic son, couldn't speak. This is the same one that went to that camp. But anyway, turns out she has an autistic son that couldn't speak. And I had no idea. And she's never heard of telepathy. She never heard a spelling to communicate, nothing. Like, she was trying everything in the world. And so she had prayed, help me to be able to reach him and to be able to communicate with them. I send that to her within a half hour. And I had no idea why I was sending it. I hadn't talked to her in years. We connect. And turns out this is from Lidu's side. She's saying he was telling her because I was the closest to his mom. He was telling Lidu to tell. To influence me to reach out to the mom. And what's interesting is when we were on the call together, Lidu was basically. He couldn't speak yet. So I had Lidu kind of telepathically pick up what he was. You know, his mom would ask questions, and Lidu would answer the questions by reading his mind. Like, he would tell her the answer.
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Danny Jones
Wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And what was interesting. Interesting is with telepathy, it's so fast. Like, they get the information really quickly, and it takes so long for them to translate and to put it into spelling. And so.
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Danny Jones
Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
But I remember I'm sitting here talking to the mom, and the two kids are just kind of going like that. And then out of nowhere, my daughter says, mom, I want the picture of the. The dog. Or, you know, like. And so I get the picture of the dog. And I knew. So my daughter had painted a picture of a golden retriever. And we went on. It's a long story short, but this is how she got her service dog. We were on the news and we were surprised with the service dog. It's just a long story, but all she says, it's just like, within two minutes, she goes, mom, I want the picture of the dog. And then I show it. And then I said, li Lu, like, did you guys. It was obvious that she had just told him the entire story within that two minutes. And then his mom was like, yeah, he loves golden retrievers. And he was the one that Lilu said he was the one that was. Wanted to see the picture. It was. All of that was in two minutes. But it took her, like, so long to describe why I. And so. Yeah. And for them to take these incredible concepts and then put it down into, like, a phrase. It's. It's A lot of work, especially since it's hard for them to spell. A lot of people, they get worried, you know, when I say, you know, she has access to my mind and stuff, and I'm just used to it. I'm used to. Used to go in.
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Danny Jones
If.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
If there's a place with a bunch of spellers. I'm just going in there knowing they're all reading my mind, and I don't care, because I. I have the highest of respect for them and love for them, and my daughter does, too. But they're like, well, what about adult thoughts and stuff? I'm like, right.
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Danny Jones
What about naughty thoughts? Like, I get. Where you. Once you get worried about that.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Not at all. Because she's seen it her whole life. But. But it's like, that's the craziest thing. Well, if you see your parents doing something gross and. And naughty, you're going to turn away. Away. And that's what she said. She says, if I see something I don't want to see, I turn away. And. And I just expect that. And also because my husband hated the idea of her being able to read his mind. And because he did it with her, like, for the first time, he's like, all right, just try it. So he gives her the letterboard one day. He goes, good. Can you. He's thinking of an apple. She spells out apple. He's like, anybody could have guessed that he's. Because he said, like, tell me a fruit. And then so he thought of a tamarind next, and he gives it to her, and she immediately spells tamarind. And he's like, oh, my gosh. He's. He's like, lilu. How do I turn this off? He's like, I don't want you to read my mind. How do you turn it off? And then she kept trying to tell him, well, we see everything. Like, she's like, you know, like, if you have a bad thought, like, basically, if you say something, if you're thinking something mean, we have the ability to think of why you thought the mean thought. And there's always a good reason why something negative is going on in your head.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, there's.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so she says we see the whole picture, so there's no judgment or anything. And he's like, I don't care. I want to turn it off. You know, that's. That was his response, but he's just kind of used to it now. But that's how it is. Like, she. I know she doesn't judge any of my thoughts. Like, if, if it's anything like negative or naughty or something, she does not judge it at all. The only time she says anything is if she knows I'm about to do something that's going to mess up my path. And then she'll say, mom, if you do this, you're going against the teachings. It's, she's only done that like twice. Yeah, and to her it was a big deal because her life is mission is to get telepathy out there and to let people know, like, hey, we, we're going to evolve as a species and this is her life mission. So if I'm doing something that's going to take me off, she'll tell me. But it's only happened like twice.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, I've always, that idea has always bounced around in my, in my head. And I've talked about this before. Like, if human beings were like just, let's just say like some technology comes out that enables human beings to communicate telepathically, right? Like some sort of neuralink brain chip or some sort of helmet that you can put on. I always wondered like, how effective would you be able to communicate with somebody? Like, because my mind is like, is chaotic, right. Like I have all kinds of ideas bouncing around up there all the time and I don't have like an editorialized stream of consciousness. Right. Like, similar to like when you, you, when you write something down, right. If you're wanting to communicate something by, by writing, you can you start out. Typically the process of writing is you start out by just jotting down a bunch of crazy stuff that's in your mind about a specific topic. And then you'll go back, you'll revise, you'll redact things and, and you'll whittle it down to something that is basically super effective at communicating that idea. Right. And then anyone else can read that and, and get what you're trying to communicate. But if you're just going mind to mind, it's going to be, at least in my mind it's going to be, it's going to be chaos and it's going to be hard for you to decipher what I'm trying to communicate. Does that make sense to you? Like how do you, if me and you can read each other's minds and I'm trying to communicate something to you, I might have like a bunch of crazy stuff rattling on, rattling around in my mind. Like, how are you going to be able to take what I'm, what my intention is?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I remember one time someone explained it to me, they said, think about the amount of focus you have. Like, if I were to tell you a phone number and I. And you need to remember the phone number, I'm saying, even just to write it down, you're going to tune everything else out and focus on what I'm saying. And so they say with telepathy, if you're wanting to transfer a thought, that's. That's kind of how it is. Like you're. It's almost the same as me telling you a phone number and you, you focusing so much that you can write the phone number down or remember it. It's interesting though, because my daughter is capable. See, telepathy is much more than that because she's capable of seeing thoughts that I'm not currently thinking about. So it's like she has access to like, the whole thing.
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Danny Jones
And is it stored in the mi. In the brain? Like, what's the brain. Like? Is the brain storing this stuff?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Stuff, or is it like what you said? I think maybe it's an antenna and the mind is out there. That's what I, I think.
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Danny Jones
Yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. There's times, like, I remember this. I remember this one time I was at a seminar and. And I was talking to this man and. And he asked me a question about am I able to tune into like, spirits and stuff? And I said, sometimes I'm not as good as my daughter is. And. And I'm really, really tired, so I wouldn't even to try trust right now. Me trying. And he said, well, let me tell you the situation. And so he tells me a situation. And I said, well, if I had to guess, I would say it's this, but I really don't know. And I said, maybe I'll ask my daughter when I get home. And so when I get home, I was not intending. I wasn't even thinking about that. I was. Someone gave me a gift and I was telling her, I gave her the letterboard. I said, hey, can you tell me who gave you this gift? And you have a message for them. I was recording because I wanted them to see, hey, she knows you without me telling her, you know, and. But she started spelling something else. She said, you did a really good job telling Blank this person's name, his situation accurately. And I couldn't believe this is the first time I learned she could do this. And I said, whoa, whoa. And then I turn off the camera and I said, what are you talking about? And she goes, yeah, you were correct when you said it was this. And I was like, I Wasn't even thinking about that. And I could not believe she told me that. And I remember asking, how did you know that? And she goes, well, I teleported myself there when you were having that conversation. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And so that blew my mind. And that's when I realized, like, there's just so much more to telepathy. Like, I think telepathy is limiting what it is that they can do what they have access to. Another thing. This is another. This is also gonna. So I have a friend. I have a friend, and he was really. He also likes Sonic the Hedgehog. And I.
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Danny Jones
So crazy. You're saying this because my kid. I just bought my kid a Sonic the Hedgehog backpack. He's been wearing it for the past, like, two weeks.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. How old's your kid?
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Danny Jones
Six.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Oh, wow.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, he's like, all of a sudden, like, super obsessed with Sonic.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, I bet.
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Danny Jones
We were.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Just the fact that we were just saying that le already like, here because we're talking about her and stuff. But so, yeah, like, my friend, I was dropping, like, I was going to the airport with him to say goodbye, and he says, hey, look at this. And he shows me the socks he was wearing, and it was Sonic the Hedgehog socks. And I said, oh, I got to tell Lilu about that later. So when I got home. This is the same seminar. And I got home and I said, hey, Lilu, one of my friends, he showed me his socks before he got on the plane. Do you know what socks they were? And I said, can you tell me his name? And then also tell me his socks? This is back when it was kind of new to me still. And she spelled out his name, and then she goes, yeah, he was wearing the blue Sonic socks. And then she goes, but he also had some red, red socks. And. Or she said something like that he also had red, red. Or I think she may have said Knuckles or something. And so I told him because I'm like, I didn't see any red socks. And he goes, I did have red socks. He goes, they were in a suitcase. I never showed you. And so it's. I have no idea how she's accessing this information, but can kids that don't.
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Danny Jones
Have autism communicate with them like this too? Like, young, like, young kids?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Like, I think so. But it's my. My six year old. She's always wondering, how come Lee, you can do this and I can't. So she's constantly telling me, how come Lee do could see the angels? How come Lee, who can do this.
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Danny Jones
You know, because you hear so many stories about just kids in general seeing stuff, right? Like seeing ghosts or seeing things at night. And they're, they're, they're, you know, kids that have night terrors and things like this. Like, oh, no, you're just, you know, you watched about a movie. It was just a nightmare. But, like, maybe it is something that is more inherent in just younger children.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. Like, I have even had, I had more abilities when I was a kid too, right. Like where when I would close my eyes, I would see. It was almost like I was dreaming, but it was only when I would close. It was when I would close my eyes. And if I, if it was scary, I didn't like it because I'm like, I can't even close my eyes without seeing it. And so I remember that happened a lot when I was a kid, and I hated it when it was scary, at least.
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Danny Jones
Yeah. So is there anything that your daughter is afraid of? Is. Has she ever, has she ever explained anything, like any sort of scary beings or experiences or anything that, that frightened her?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Well, there are several times where she'll like, I will wake up suddenly. I will wake up suddenly, immediately go to the room and wake her up. And then she'll say, thank you, mom, and she'll say, like, how something scary was bothering her. And she kept calling me, she called me through the ether, and then I immediately would go up and wake her up. And so there's a few times she's done that where she would, like, kind of spiritually wake me up in some way. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast Smart move Being financially savage. Smart move. Another smart move. Having State Farm help you create a competitive price when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling. Just another way to save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And yeah, she said she teaches me every night telepathy in my dreams. And I know if I am falling asleep and I'm not totally asleep yet. She'll sometimes come to the door and open the door and she'll notice I'm not totally asleep. She goes, oh, sorry Mommy. And then she'll close the door again. And she's doing some kind of training every night. It's just the craziest thing because she's only 15 now, she barely turned 15. And I see her as this huge teacher in our house. And we just had her 15th birthday in Mexico, her quinceanera.
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Danny Jones
Oh, wow.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And we had, have. Yeah, it was just last week. And we've never told our family about, you know, my husband's side of the family. We never told them about our telepathy. And all of this stuff kind of added up. There was so many crazy things. So like her grandmother, my husband's mother, has passed on like six years ago. And while we were there, there's a tradition where there's a father and daughter waltz. And they, her aunt that was putting it on, she said, hey, can you tell me the song that Lilu wants for the waltz? And so Lilu tells me this French song, which I'm like, I don't know why Lilu picked a song or even how she knows the song, nothing. So I tell her it's this song, Lita Ones. And her aunt gets back to me. She's like, you have no idea what that song means to me. And she's like, I have been crying and crying all day. And so she told me that when her sister was in the hospital, so my mother in law was in the hospital, she didn't know, like nobody knew she was going to die. Like she just had a sudden aneurysm and she was in the hospital bed and nobody knew. And she was in Ensenada with her daughter who was having a baby. And so she thought, like, you know, I got to be here for my daughter. I'll just see her later, my sister later. And then she ended up passing away and she felt really, really guilty about it. And she said she heard that song in that time and that song stuck with her. And then she said, said and this is before she knew about Lilu's telepathy. And she said the fact that I told her that song, she said that she knows that that was a sign from her sister. And Lilu knew this, but I didn't even know what was going on. And so Lilu had planned all. There was just so much stuff. Lilu was planning the whole quinceanera for a reason. Her Family. A lot of them were fighting, like, you know, like, you know, like the connection there they were. Some of them were arguing, not speaking to each other. And she, like they ended up reconciling because of the quinceanera. And then some of them. And then also I show them the telepathy and they're just kind of blown away. They're like, what am I seeing here? The skeptics were like, this is the craziest thing ever seen in my life. And. And then I told them like, she can also talk to, she can also talk to, you know, like my mother in law or. And so they said, can you ask her? And so they, she would. The first thing my mother in law all said through Lilu was you guys got to stop fighting. And I didn't even know that they were fighting. She goes, you guys got to start taking care of each other. Stop fighting because, because you only have such a set amount of time together. And as soon as they said that, they all started crying and they all started hugging each other and stuff like that. It was a huge healing in the family. And so that, so there was that. And then they asked other questions about stuff they didn't know like, or, you know, they, they wanted to know the answer to. Like they asked their passed on father and their pass on mother and, and she said stuff that they said, how did she even know about that? Like, she was set very specific stuff. And they're like, how could she know about that? And so a lot of them were like, I never believed in the life after death, but now like, there's no denying it. And so, and so they're like, so a lot of them are like, wow, I always knew she was special, but I didn't understand. You know, she's just quiet. And they didn't understand. Like they're just like, we just, we're just so grateful and love and we were just so happy. And they were just really, really happy. But the whole family, there was like big healing that needed to be done.
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Danny Jones
It's amazing.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. And she has this effect on people. And another thing that happens is when she reads your mind, you start to develop telepathy. Like that's, that's what a lot of people start noticing. They're like, ever since she read, ever since I came across her or something, I've. Even now I'm starting to have the ability. So it's, it's a strange phenomenon that we're discovering. Well, they've been studying this for, for ages. But now because of things like the telepathy tapes. It's becoming more.
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Danny Jones
Yep.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Out there and accepted.
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Danny Jones
One of the other more fringe topics that, that people have been sort of studying on the outskirts of science is near death experiences. And I've had a few people come talk to me about that. And in fact we had a gentleman in here who was a doctor who did a study where he interviewed, I think over a thousand people who had near death experiences. And, and a lot of them were very, very similar. And there's been books written about this kind of stuff. And you know, that just, you know, it opens up the door to that idea of what happens when we die. Like, is it. That's one of the biggest questions of humanity. Right, right. Are we alone in the universe? And what happens when we die? Where do we go when we die? And it, you know, just this whole topic makes me wonder. And when you have these people that are doing, having these near death experiences and coming back talking about like leaving their bodies and seeing other people communicating with things and, and this kind of stuff, it just, it seems like there's a connection with people like your daughter. If they can talk to people who have passed on, like, what, what do they think happens to you when you die? Like, do they, do they feel comfort in that? Do they believe in heaven and hell? What, what is your, what do you think? Like from, from being around your daughter and other people like your daughter, do they, they. Has anyone ever asked them what they think about that? Have they ever expressed what their beliefs.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Are or, you know, it's funny, you know how I said, like, I don't know if it's past lives or different timelines. My daughter, now that I'm remembering, she did say something. She did say, certain people, this is their last life. And, and she told me I still had another one. I remember being disappointed. I'm like, what? Why? I thought I was doing pretty good. Why do I have to come back? And so she does suggest that, she does suggest that you have multiple lives and then, and she does suggest that there is a time where you don't do it anymore. So there is that much at least going out of body and stuff though, that that's never been an issue for me because I've done it several times and sometimes I would knock myself out, like doing too much energy work or something. And like there was this one example where I was doing a lying down meditation, I was doing some meditate, like energy stuff. And, and then I go to get up and I don't even realize I'm out of body. Like I don't even realize it. And I'm walking to the door and I remember my. My right leg felt like it was asleep. I'm like, why is my leg feel so weird? And then I go to the door and I go to open it and my hand goes right through the doorknob. And I'm like, oh. And I look at my bed. I'm like, oh, okay, I'm out. And. And then I noticed I was laying on my leg weird. And I was like, oh, that's why my leg felt so weird and stuff. And, and so whenever I'm out, I usually try to. There's just so much you can do, but I don't. You're so the only thing that limits you is your mind. And, and. But it's too. Sometimes it can be too scary to do too much. So I try to usually stay where I am. Like stay in my room or my house or something so I don't freak myself out. But I have gone far enough where I. Where I lose my sense of self. And, and I remember one time having that experience and thinking, okay, you know what? I'm ready to experience what death is like. And so I said, go ahead and show me. And I remember feeling. But I had no fear though. And I remember feeling like time stopping. I remember feeling like I wasn't breathing anymore. And then I remember going somewhere and I started. The one thing I remember is seeing like all of my family members like dying and stuff. But I didn't see. You know, I probably did see like when and everything and how it happened, but I remember seeing it and thinking, oh, it's all gonna be fine. Like we just do this next. And I just remember thinking, oh, this is all good and it's all fine. It's all a big plan. We don't actually like end or anything. Nobody's suffering. And I remember coming back and losing the memory of how they all died and what age and all of that stuff. Stuff. I remember losing all of that ex. The only thing I remembered is having seen it. And I remember thinking, okay, well that's the one thing I'm supposed to remember. And, and I remember always feeling that sensation of, oh, it's all fine, it's not a big deal. And I remember feeling all of that and losing all of the fear of stuff like that happening.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, it's. It's an interesting phenomena. And there's also. There's also people who recount who have had near death experiences that say psychedelic experiences are very similar. As well as telepathy. There's a gentleman, Dennis McKenna, who we had on the podcast a while ago, who, who's the brother of Terence McKenna and they did this crazy experiment in the, in LA, in, in the Amazon and in Colombia and where they were, they were eating psychedelic mushrooms for like a week straight and they were able to communicate mind to mind to each other via telepathy.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, that's amazing.
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Danny Jones
And there's a lot of people who.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Who.
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Danny Jones
Who have done things like those kinds of psychedelics or like DMT and, and say that it's, it's virtually identical to a near death experience where you disconnect from the material world and your consciousness is just like shuttling through the cosmos, completely disconnected from your body.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah, that, that is a way to do it as well. Like it's, it's, it's almost like a, a, I would say it's kind of like a shortcut, but when you do the dark room retreats, you're also tapping into your inner dmt.
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Danny Jones
Yes.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And so, so yeah, there's a big correlation between the out of body experiences in, in dmt, again we don't totally know like what's going on, but even like psychedelic mushrooms, they have, it has. Well, it's actually psilocybin. I'm trying to think, is there a D? No, no, no. I'm thinking ayahuasca has a DMT in it. Yeah, yeah, but in my, in Puerto Rican culture they use, and in fact I think in a lot of South America does that. But in my culture that's a common thing to do, is offer that for healing purposes and to be able to communicate with the outside and everything.
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Danny Jones
Gods? Yeah, yeah, no, it's synonymous. South American cultures and these kinds of things are, are, you know, synonymous with each other as well as like, you know, building insanely unexplainable architecture like the giant pyramids or structures made out of stones that are like 10, 20, 30 tons that like there's, there's things that we can't even explain today, like how this stuff was done, you know, and these cultures were constantly experimenting with, you know, picking up things off the floor of the forest and eating them and seeing what would happen. And you know, these people were also, they thought they were connected to gods and you know, they had crazy ideas, you know, sacrificing people to bring the rain and you know, who knows what was going on back then. But I mean, I don't think it's a stretch to say that, that they were probably more in tune with extra sensory perception or something else that we have lost today in our technological society that we've developed.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. A more materialistic society.
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Danny Jones
Right.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
But yeah, it's all accessible and trainable and. And it's not that it doesn't take that long. As long as you start to see what you're doing, capable of. It doesn't take very long for people to pick it up. But I'm just. I was just thinking right now how like, I know Lily's just watching right now. My daughter and I keep wondering who influenced you, like to invite me here because my daughter knew I was going to come on this show.
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Danny Jones
She did?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So I'm just wondering how that all played out. But she. She already knew and so, yeah, I'm interested in hearing what her perspective is when I get home.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah, we. Well, we had a woman on recently where we mentioned you, Ia Whiteley. Have you heard of her? Psychologist.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah, I actually saw that clip. Well, I saw it after I had talked to you guys. So I was like, oh, cool.
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Danny Jones
Yes.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
You know.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, yeah. She was explaining all this stuff to me as well as I think we brought up the side games and I had remembered when. When she brought up the website, I had remembered that I already saw a clip of you on that gentleman's podcast. I think his name is Sean.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Is it James?
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Danny Jones
Maybe we should find the name of his podcast so we can. We can give him his credit where. Make sure we shout him out. It was called like through the Looking Glass is the name of his show. Through the Looking Glass. Anyways, find. Find his podcast. You'll be able to find it. It's like a blue color. His thumbnails are blue. I've spoken with him before, but I just saw the clip of. Of you guys. He. You had the blindfold on. He was holding the books and you were reading the books. I thought that was just like, we have to. I have to talk.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Talk to her.
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Danny Jones
And then. And then after that I. Whiteley came on and she was explaining that stuff and I was like, okay, that's it. We got to invite her.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. I remember when I first opened. So we call it opening. It's kind of like with telepathy like this when the kids can spell. We call that opening too. When I first opened with the blindfolds and stuff, I remember I had an overload of all these different ways to see. And like, so I was able to zoom in and zoom out. I was able to see in the dark. Pretty like as if there was A light on. And I remember thinking, this is too much. And. And. And by me thinking that, it got. It got to the point where it was, like, consistent. And I remember thinking, I'll just go back to it. But I remember the dark, though, that scared me, because I remember, like, walking around thinking, this is the coolest thing I could see in the dark. And then I remember, for a second, I thought, what if I see, like, a spirit's face in my face? And then I got scared. And then it turned off immediately. It went black again, again. And I was like, whoa. It really is, like, so much of it is mental, like, what you're willing to see. Because we only see 5%. I think it's 5% of the visual, you know, like the color.
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Danny Jones
The color spectrum.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, yeah, the color spectrum. Yeah.
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Danny Jones
We can't see, like, near infrared or infrared.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So that's 95% of what's around us is stuff that we can't normally see with our eyes. And.
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Danny Jones
Yeah.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
And it's just kind of creepy when you think about what's all around us.
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Danny Jones
It really is. Steve, did you find his podcast? No, I'm still looking. Come on, bro. You can't find it. Also, through the Looking Glass is a very common. You just go on YouTube and type in Dalia's name, and then type in through the Looking Glass, and you'll be able to find his podcast. If you. If you search her name on YouTube, you'll find it in, like, the top four. This funny. Joe Rogan has a theory called his. His. Called his fart theory. And it's like, imagine if you didn't. Didn't have the sense of smell, right? And somebody farted, and you'd be sitting in this. This rank stench that you have no idea is there. But the only reason that we know that that's there is because we have this sense of smell. So what other types of things are out there that are like that that we just haven't evolved the senses to be able to detect, you know, because we need. We. We've evolved the sense of smell to. To evade danger. Animal animals, predators, fires, things like that.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
I would even say there are senses we currently do have. We're not. We're just not utilizing them.
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Danny Jones
There it is, right there. Is that it? Oh, it's called engaging the phenomenon. I thought it was called through the Looking Glass. My bad. My mistake. Click on that. Is this the one?
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So it's James.
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Danny Jones
No, this isn't the one I saw. This is not the one. This. I Thought it was called. It's called through the Looking Glass. Sorry, people, we're trying to. We're trying to. Consciousness. No, keep scrolling, keep scrolling, keep scrolling. Go up.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, I think it might have been that one.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, it must be. It must be engaging. Yeah, it's him. It's him.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yes, that is engaging the phenomenon. It's the same guy.
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Danny Jones
It's the same guy, right? Yes, that's it. Okay. Okay. Engaging the phenomenon.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
He's amazing. I love that guy.
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Danny Jones
Yeah, he's super smart. He's. He's great. Well, hey, thank you for coming and doing this. This has been fascinating. You. You blew my mind. I've been. I've been interested in this stuff for so long. I've read books about it, but, I mean, this is the first time I've ever actually witnessed anything like this.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah, and what's amazing is, like I was saying, we do have these abilities already. Like, there's a lot of them. We don't really even need to evolve. It's more about discovering what you can do right now. And it's. And so I like to say it like, these are just our senses that we currently have. If you just don't know, you have the sense, you're not going to pay attention. But I. But, yeah, I can show people, like, hey, look, like, without even in a visual way, you can tell what these colors are in another room, or you can tell what shapes these are in another room or what I'm holding, you can tell it's in these different ways that you don't even realize you can do. Like, you can tell just by the scent in your body. And all you have to do is kind of tune them into it a little bit. Takes about an hour or so. But you can tell, like, if you hold a certain color, you always feel it right here in your shoulder or you feel a different one in your forehead. And so even if I'm in another room, you know what I'm holding because you feel it there. That's one sense. Or you could just feel the sense in the air. You could just feel like the. A certain feeling from. It's just insane. Distance doesn't matter. So, yeah, there's, like, there's. I think there's an infinite amount of ways that we can tell things apart and an infinite amount of senses that we have that we just don't realize we currently have.
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Danny Jones
So, yeah, I think I. I mean, I think so now more than ever.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah.
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Danny Jones
Where can people learn more about you and your daughter or. Or get in touch with you guys or anything like that.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Yeah. So they can go to dahlia burgoyne.com or info dahlia borgoing.com to message me directly for upcoming seminars. It is extra-ordinaries.com and so, yeah, there's a couple of different ways.
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Danny Jones
That's it.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
That's not. Yeah, it's not up yet. It'll be up this week, but perfect.
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Danny Jones
Awesome. Well, thanks again. This has been super fascinating. This has been wild conversation. I appreciate your time.
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Absolutely. Thank you for having me.
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Danny Jones
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Dahlia Burgoyne
Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.
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Danny Jones
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Dahlia Burgoyne
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Dahlia Burgoyne
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