Danny (6:10)

Crude oil upgrading project?

Maxim (6:12)

Yeah.

Danny (6:12)

How does that work?

Maxim (6:13)

Basically, in Canada, they produce bitumen. You know what bitumen is, right? It's the stuff they put on road.

Danny (6:20)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maxim (6:21)

This real sticky, gooey stuff. And it's. It's practically solid. So the problem that, you know, how do you transport it? So there is this Keystone pipeline that goes to United States from Canada, right? Which there are actually two pipelines. One pushes this bitumen, which is diluted with gasoline, and the other returns gasoline back to Canada. So about half of the pipeline is this gas flowing back and forth because you need a carrier to move this otherwise, you know, solid material. And I figured out a way how to reduce the viscosity of this bitumen where it flows on its own. And, you know, I've built a miniature petrochemical plant. And Shell and some other major oil companies, you know, caught a whiff of what I was doing, and they visited and they really liked the technology and they wanted, you know, to buy it and bring it to Canada. And I thought, oh, I'm going to be rich. You know, that's. That's my moment in life. And what happens 2015 happens, and the oil price crashes from $200 per barrel to, like, $40 per barrel. And that wiped all of my, you know, customers, like overnight all of the, like, business opportunity was liquidated and I'm like, shit, you know, you can do everything right, you know, you can develop the technology, you know, you can build it, you know, you can bring this in a major oil companies and start them, salivate over it and then your business opportunity evaporates and nothing matters. So that was in a pretty big life lesson to me that really threw me into like a spiral because I've never like failed before up until that point. So I thought I was invincible, you know, I could do anything and this happens. So it was of course, you know, pretty painful experience. So I shifted gears again. I said, okay, I'm gonna move to Florida and I'm gonna do something else. I started building houses. You know, it's a fun activity. You know, just work outdoors with my hands. I will not use my brain. My brain will rest and my soul will recuperate, you know, while I work with my hands. And I worked on a beautiful project on an island and I was renovating an island house. I was taking a boat to it. I really fell in love with Florida lifestyle. So, you know, take a boat in the morning, you know, you get to this island, you know, where you work in this tropical paradise. So I was working as a carpenter basically, you know, coming back and I freaking loved it. But after doing it, you know, for a few years, I thought maybe it's time for me to go back to what I always wanted to do. And that was, you know, nuclear science. Sorry for the long kind of story, but I circled back and I thought, well, you know, before when I started my company, I hired people to do work for me and that was good and bad. Good is because, you know, you delegate stuff. But bad is because I thought people were good at stuff that they were doing. And what I've learned, you know, one of my experiences was that, you know, people pretended to know things and, and they didn't. So I thought, okay, well, I'm going to learn everything you know, there is to learn about nuclear science and I'm going to do it in all myself. That's why, you know, the knowledge is concentrated in one place. And I will know like all of the answers to all of the questions. And very quickly I realized that, oh, there is no hardware, suitable hardware because a lot of nuclear stuff is archaic, developed in the 60s, you know, this big power supplies, you know, weird blocks, you know, nothing really meshes together. And of course you can buy state of the art stuff, but then it's A small fortune. Like every piece you purchase is like a hundred thousand dollars. You know, I'm not that rich. So, okay, I'm going to develop, you know, the hardware myself. So I develop hardware for neutron and gamma detection. And in nuclear science everything is about radiation. It's in a. Radiation is your mark of what's happening. How do you know that you know what's going on in your reactor? It's radiation. So you measure radiation. And I, you know, built hardware to measure radiation and I made it user friendly and I wrote software for it because I'm software engineer and I realized oh, you know, other people wanted to. So I started, you know, selling it. And my business kind of grew from that. So Maximus Energy is my company and that's where I offer, you know, this equipment that I make for sale.

Danny (10:35)

So you make, you manufacture the nuclear equipment?

Maxim (10:38)

Yes.

Danny (10:39)

And who do you sell it to?

Maxim (10:40)

Universities, like all major universities in America pretty much bought it. Mit, you know, Texas Tech, Purdue. So I know a lot of people who work on nuclear science. And some buy it, you know, for their research, others buy it, you know, for their students, to teach them, you know, about radiation detection, you know, about neutrons, about, you know, gamma radiation, things of that nature. And what I've also used it for, obviously is for my own research because that was the motivation. So the, you know, selling of the equipment kind of became a way to fund the research because, you know, research takes money, right? So you need to buy supplies and chemicals and shit. And I was happy to realize that people wanted to have my equipment because that helped me fund my research. So I started running, you know, these experiments that I couldn't run before because before, you know, I didn't know anything about vacuum equipment, about, you know, plasma, about nutrient sources. So I learned all of that and started running my own experiments. And that's kind of another, I would say, key part of my life, like throughout my life. You know, like you, I'm very open minded person. So when somebody tells me something exciting, I tend to believe it. Like, like this vase project or you know, ancient aliens or things of that nature. You know, I tend to believe these things. But because I'm, you know, scientifically oriented or engineeringly, you know, leaning person, I usually verify things that I believe in because you know, to me what makes life, you know, the most exciting is learning, you know, learning, you know, the truth about the world. Because, you know, when you know the truth about the world, it makes your life easier. You know, you know, gravity pulls you down, right? So you Know what happens if you walk off the cliff, Right. And if you don't, you know, your life is miserable. So I kind of feel on intuitive level that that's what curiosity is. You know, you want to understand life better on like all levels. And one somebody tells you something wonderful, you have a potential to expand your understanding. But, you know, do you believe it at face value or do you really, like, sink your teeth in it and research it and dig in and realize whether it's true or not? So throughout my life, even like before I started my company and when I was still teaching at Penn State, and even before that, I was reading other people's papers and books and taking their ideas seriously. And for a long time I was going to Russia, to my alma mater, where my father in law has a lab and I was working like every summer in his lab, trying other people's ideas.

Danny (13:30)

What kind of lab?

Maxim (13:31)

He has a lab devoted to high temperature superconductors. So it's pretty badass. But to me it was like an electrical engineering lab.

Danny (13:42)

In St. Petersburg?

Maxim (13:44)

No, in Moscow.

Danny (13:45)

In Moscow?

Maxim (13:46)

Yeah.

Danny (13:46)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (13:47)

So we were still living in Oklahoma, I think, at the time. But then, you know, we moved to Pennsylvania. But anyway, I was going there like every summer.

Danny (13:53)

What year?

Maxim (13:55)

Maybe 15 years ago.

Danny (13:57)

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Maxim (15:11)

And I'll tell you one anecdote. Like, one of my summer trips to that place was I read a book by Joseph Newman, who purported to have developed, not exactly like a perpetual motion machine, but, you know, pretty close. It was called Newman's Motor. And the idea was you have this in a giant coil or like 20 miles of wire, of copper wire. So, of course, you know, I started by winding the coil, right? So, you know, for a couple days, I was just turning, turning the crank, you know, winding the damn coil, you know, which was like £50 because, you know, just huge. And then you have this magnet inside, and then, you know, it turns. Yeah. And there was this commutator. And the trick was, you know, the way you turn this magnet and the way commutator connects and disconnects the magnet, so it was generating some high frequency current pulses. And then Newman says, all right, well, when you hook up the oscilloscope, you see this pulse, the current pulse, There are actually two pulses. One pulse is the power in to the coil, and then the other is power from the coil. And when you look on the oscilloscope, on the old analog oscilloscope, you could see that the input pulse is barely registering, meaning the thing draws very little power. But the output pulse is huge. It's like gigantic. It's all that you see, right? And there was some point, you know, when I finally assembled everything and I see this on the oscilloscope. So, like, damn, you know, this guy was right because I see exactly what he described. But, you know, you take it to the next step if that is the case. Yeah, yeah, you got it. It wasn't quite large in my case, but it was, you know, it was substantial. But, you know, if you get more power out of it, it means it should run on its own, right? So what I do, I hook up capacitors to it because I know it will charge the capacitors, and then I can loop it back to where I can, you know, unplug it from the receptacle, and it will run, you know, on its own power perpetually, Basically, yes. So one day I come in, you know, I hook up these capacitors, you know, I get. Get it going, and I see it starts accelerating. And that's, you know, what you expect when. When you generate energy, you know, out of nothing. I say it accelerates. So I slowly unplug it. But my plug was like split two wires. You know, it was like very makeshift. So I pull one wire and the thing doesn't stop. And I'm like, wow, you know, it's already disconnected. You know, I disconnected from, from the phase, you know, the electric power. You have phase and ground. So I disconnected, you know, from the phase, but the thing still accelerates. I called my father in law and said, look, are you seeing what I'm saying? You're seeing this telescope pulses. Yeah. You're seeing the thing runs on a single wiring. It keeps accelerating. So yeah. So he patted me on the shoulder and gave me this patronizing smile. I said, well, kept looking at it and I'm like, I'm going to come back to Penn State. I'm going to present this shit. It's real. We're going to change the world. So for a couple of days I was like, I'm on drugs. I feel this because it's exactly like he described it. And one day I'm, oh, I still have this ground wire in it. So what happens if I unplug it? So unplug the ground wire and this thing slowly decelerates to a stop. I'm like, what's going on? So I start digging into it some more. And I realize every time you have AC power anywhere, you have induced electricity because power lines, you know, they generate magnetic fields. And these magnetic fields create induced power in any, you know, conductor, especially if you have ground. So you will have this induced power from your power line in the ground.

Danny (19:06)

Okay.

Maxim (19:07)

It's called ground loop, basically. And, and this is a common problem when your grounding is poor because, you know, very good ground, all of that, you know, just goes into ground without registering. But if you ground has some resistance in it, you will see this, like small power variations on your ground. And that's what was powering in a Newman's Engine in my case. So it was drawing power from the ground and the ground was inductively coupled to the power in the building, so it wasn't running on its own energy. And then I realized that, I realized that his oscillogram wasn't correct. There were some, you know, high frequency oscillations that didn't really register on print. But you know, if you zoom in on the scope, you see, and if you integrate the power, you know, there is no power. It's just an illusion. And that was a very important lesson because I learned that, you know, two things happen People either lie on purpose, you know, when they, you know, come up with this wonderful ideas, and they lie on purpose because they want attention or because they want to defraud investors. And some people, sometimes people are just fools. You know, they don't have enough training, enough expertise to really know what's happening. Yeah. And I would say there is also a third kind, is when people don't have training, but then they're not motivated to go deeper into the problem because then it destroys the narrative or destroys the idea. Right. And unfortunately, that's a pretty big sociological problem, especially in the case of inventors, because as an inventor, you want investor, you know, to fund your project, and that's why you're not motivated to find flaws in your design. Because an investor would look at it and say, oh, oh, maybe I should have not funded it. Right. But then it doesn't help you to build a product. And unfortunately, like most of my colleagues in Russia are that way. You know, they have investors here and there that give them money or donate money, and. And they present their results. And, you know, I scan their results, like, diagonally because, you know, I looked at so many results so many times. I know where the flaws are, and I see those flaws. And when I mentioned to them, they kind of lower their eyes and switch the subject. So I've become, you know, a little cynical about this whole situation just because of the, you know, every problem I looked and I was able to punch a hole. And that's why, you know, about five years ago, I said, you know, enough. I'm not gonna look at Newman engines or someone's anti gravity device. I'm gonna work on my own stuff.

Danny (21:57)

Anti gravity device.

Maxim (21:59)

Well, believe it or not, I worked on those too.

Danny (22:01)

Wow. They got those in Russia?

Maxim (22:03)

Of course. Yeah. It's the biggest source commercially available of Internet. You know, you can purchase a kit. Well, I'm being, you know, cynical, but it's for real, you know, if you believe the Internet, you know, if. Let's say, if you are a believer like me and. And you do not scrutinize. And a friend of mine actually bought one of those units because there is a, like, young guy on Internet is selling his, like, anti gravity kit. Really? Yes, yes.

Danny (22:31)

I wasn't aware of this.

Maxim (22:32)

Yeah. And. And he bought it and he built one against my advice. And of course it doesn't work. And, you know, it's pretty clear that everything was staged and made. Look, but. But the thing is, you know, some people have better stories than others, and some stories I Believe in, because, well, you got to believe in something, right? So we don't know everything about the world. So I do believe in anti gravity and we can talk, you know, about what I believe in it. But it doesn't mean that, you know, whoever shows you like a flying saucer, it's like really flying. It probably means, you know, he's got some wires or some, you know, you know, how to make films. So I'm pretty sure if you look at his reels, you'll know, you know, the techniques he used. Because I talked to another guy, he's also like in filmmaking and he was able to tell me, you know, those were like textbook techniques that, that he used, you know, to go off the frame and do something.

Danny (23:28)

What are you talking about specifically? What, what film or what video?

Maxim (23:32)

I don't remember the guy's name. Okay, it's some Russian guy and he sells this like flying saucers that. Oh, he purports to be a anti gravitic type and he shows demonstration, so he launches it. It's flying. And then he sells a kit, right? And people buy the kit and trying to recreate and of course it doesn't work.

Danny (23:55)

Yeah.

Maxim (23:56)

And I'm thinking, you know, science is hard enough, you know, why do you do it? And I understand, you know, why people do it because they want to make money and whatnot. But, you know, for someone who is like searching for truth, it doesn't help because it creates noise and you know, con. Confounds the situation. So, you know, that's why about, you know, five years ago, I started working on, on my own ideas which involve nuclear fusion. And I've built a reactor at home, you know, which I'm currently developing. And here we are, you know, talking about it and you just gotta, you know, gotta believe in yourself.

Danny (24:34)

So you built. Why did you build a nuclear reactor in your home?

Maxim (24:36)

Well, because I.

Danny (24:38)

Is that legal?

Maxim (24:39)

Yes.

Danny (24:39)

Okay.

Maxim (24:40)

Absolutely. It is funny how a lot of nuclear science is not only legal in the United States. A lot of licenses are compulsory. For example, I can buy a lot of radioactive isotopes and they're mailed to me in ordinary mail. And sometimes they're not even like labeled because it's all regulated by activity. If a certain isotope has so little activity to where it's like beyond harmless, you don't even have to label it if it's like within certain range of activities. You just label it as like potentially hazardous. If it has a lot of activity, you know, you put another label. And if it's substantial Activity you might need to get a license. But some licenses are compulsory in the sense you apply for them, you know, they give it to you. So I have some sources that were licensed, you know, on that basis. Okay. So it's not really, you know, the research wise, you know, if you do research on your own, there is not a lot of red tape. And that's why, you know, I had to quit university to do it. Because if you do at university there are a lot more red tape because you know, health regulation, radiation safety regulation and even though, you know, we're never approaching, you know, the dangerous limits, because you know one thing about nuclear science, unless you have like a power plant size reactor, it's all like barely registers. That's why you need detectors to detect it. You know, nothing glows, you know, nothing is hot to the touch.

Danny (26:04)

You don't have the demon core in your building.

Maxim (26:06)

Yeah, basically you don't. Yes. So. So it's like research purpose is harmless, but at a university is just crazy amount of stuff you need to go to get that done.

Danny (26:18)

Sure.

Maxim (26:18)

So I'm very happy that you know, I can do it and without violating anything.

Danny (26:22)

So the reason that you decided to build this was to measure these ancient Egyptian artifacts?

Maxim (26:28)

No, not really. I wanted to build the power generating reactor.

Danny (26:34)

Okay.

Maxim (26:35)

So my end goal was to design, you know, that fusion is a hot topic now, right. So everybody, there are a bunch of like companies that pursue nuclear fusion, right? Because the idea is that the next, you know, next power source will be fusion. And you know, whether it's true or not, it's a different story. But that's, you know, the tendency. So I thought, okay, well I'm going to build my own fusion reactor. But everybody is, is like multi billion dollar installation that size of the commercial building, you know, because that's the conventional approach to nuclear power is. And I thought, well, I can do it cheaper and smaller and will fit on a desktop. So it's not going to be a billion dollar reactor. It's going to be like $100,000 reactor and maybe instead of producing like a gigawatt of power, it's going to produce 100 kilowatt. But you know, 100 kilowatt is enough to run a house. You know, you can run your AC on it or you can put it in a vehicle or maybe you can scale it up, put it in a truck or you know, freight train, you know, something like that. So I decided to build, you know, that's my interest, you know, my engineer interest is to build a Commercial fusion power generator, you know, that's small, compact and inexpensive. And in order to do it, I had to pursue like different approach because everyone's approach is either magnetic confinement or inertial confinement. And without going into too much detail, these approaches are technically challenging. So you need 100 PhDs or maybe a thousand PhDs to work on a project like that because nature doesn't want to do it. It's unnatural in the sense it happens in the stars. But you know, what's the difference between the star and something that you build? The size. Right. So the reason it can happen on a scale, stellar scale, is the size of the star. So the gravity holds it together. It works. So if you want to do it like in a commercial scale and build a power plant, you need to overcome this physics that's missing. And that's, you know, where 100 PhDs come in. Because it's not an easy process to do. And that's why it's $100 billion. And every year we're promised it's only like 10 or 15 years away. And it's been like 10 or 15 years away for the past 40 years. It's a running joke in the industry. So I thought, you know, we need a different approach to it. And because my background is in ultrasonics, I figured that I could use sound to make fusion work. And that's not my, you know, idea, you know, somebody else.

Danny (29:16)

Sound to make fusion.

Maxim (29:18)

To make fusion, Yes. I think the idea was originally proposed by, what's the guy's name, like in the late 70s. My memory is not cooperated. Maybe I'll remember the name later. But you know, our researcher in the 70s proposed it and patented it back then.

Danny (29:37)

Okay, and then you're talking about the sound fusion idea.

Maxim (29:40)

Yes. And you know, maybe you can find it. Steve, Commonly used term is sonofusion.

Danny (29:46)

Sono Fusion.

Maxim (29:47)

Yes.

Danny (29:47)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (29:49)

Yes. Flynn. Exactly.

Danny (29:51)

Hugh Flynn.

Maxim (29:52)

Yeah. In the 70s. Right. So he patented in the 70s. And the idea is, you know, how sound can push things.

Danny (29:59)

Yes.

Maxim (30:00)

So if you concentrate sound in a spot, you can compact matter to where it's going to be hot enough for in a nuclear fusion to take place. And from, from that, you know, basic arrangement, it makes perfect sense because that's what, you know, inertial confinement is. In inertial confinement, scientists use lasers to radiate a fusion target. And those lasers, you know, compact the fusion target. But you know, Flint figured, well, I'll use sound for this purpose. And later, I think in early 2000s, another researcher by Name of Tele Arkin, who was at Oak Ridge National Labs at the time, actually published a paper in science that it was explosive because he said, well, I got it to work. So he took Flynn's idea and he basically showed sure it works. And he got hired by Purdue because it was a big deal. It's like a new avenue to diffusion because before that it was inertial confined magnetic confinement. And now we have sono fusion. And capital cost was like a fraction, you know, just a tiny amount of money you need to, to make a son of fusion reactor versus let's say plasma. So at Purdue, unfortunately, when it happens often in science, the interest of different research groups collided and a scandal erupted. Basically his research was threatening another research funding. So the representatives of this other group, I think it was like Princeton Plasma Physics, they came and asked him to hold the publication and he didn't because he was afraid that somebody else would beat him to it. And the people said, look, you know, if you're not going to hold your publication, we may not get our funding. You know, could you just hold it and then, you know, we get our funding and we'll support you. And he was foolish enough not to. So they took his vengeance on him and they basically discredited his research. And it's a long story. It's called center fusion. I wanted to say center fusion confusion, but it was some other term, you know, used in the industry. You know, you remember the cold fusion debacle and then you need the son of fusion. And you know, part of, part of the problem is not so much, you know, the research was problematic. It's like human factor. You know, people fight over money and people fight over prestige. People fight over ideas. So the bottom line is because of that scandal, you know, Talia was deprived of his funding. He was disallowed to have students. You know, he couldn't be fired because, you know, once you attenuate track, you know, you immune from being let go. But he couldn't do any research, so his life was ruined. But I believe, you know, his ideas were correct. So I wanted to build on them. You know, I started not exactly where he left off, but I incorporated a lot of, of the ideas that he put in into his design and added, you know, my own ideas. And about three years ago, I detected neutrons. That's, that's how, you know that you've got your reaction, you know, without your house blowing up. You know, one of your nuclear detectors starts reporting counts, okay? And you know, main signature for nuclear reactor is neutrons. So neutron counts tells you whether your reactor is working or how many counts, meaning how efficiently it's working.

Danny (33:36)

Okay.

Maxim (33:37)

So I started registering, you know, massive amounts of counts and I basically demonstrated, you know, the proof of concept that my idea worked and I wrote a paper and published it in Nature Scientific Reports last year. And it became like one of the top downloaded papers, you know, in the top 10% in that journal, you know, which is created a lot of interest, you know, for other people, you know, reaching out to me and asking me about my research and, and now I have a partner who lives here in, in Venice, who is my Russian compatriot. He was following, you know, my research for a while and he finally came into to me and said, hey, okay, well let's do something in your commercial. Let me help you, you know, in your research. So we formed a company recently called Maximus Fusion Systems and we're going to focus on trying to push this research further towards commercialization. Because when I was working it was more of like a research project.

Danny (34:39)

Sure.

Maxim (34:40)

And now with him, and maybe with a third person coming in, we are hoping to become more like a venture where this is not just about research, but the goal is to produce a product at the end of this track and it will be this, you know, desktop based in nuclear fusion power reactor that you can put in a car, in a truck, or maybe in a ship. So it will be like a smaller scale system.

Danny (35:04)

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Maxim (36:23)

And so the.

Danny (36:24)

The idea that you can actually detect neutrons with your reactor means that it works and you can produce energy with the thing that you created.

Maxim (36:32)

Yes.

Danny (36:33)

And have you applied this to anything?

Maxim (36:36)

No, not. Not yet.

Danny (36:38)

Okay.

Maxim (36:39)

But I was going to because there is a connection here, you know, with Egypt. Right. And my wife Veronica, she always kind of said, well, how. How the pyramids were made, you know, you got to look into pyramids. And she kept nagging me about it, and I was dismissing it. And then finally, you know, I got to watch the videos. And that's how I came across, in a band, one, Kirkwick.

Danny (37:03)

Yeah.

Maxim (37:04)

And watched a bunch of his videos, like the power.

Danny (37:07)

The Power Plant Theory from Chris Dunn and all that stuff.

Maxim (37:10)

Yeah. And it's crazy, but, you know, when I started watching in those videos and. And soaking in, you know, those ideas, they started, like, meshing with my own thinking about, you know, nuclear physics, about sound, because, you know, sound was my background. So they mentioned in sound and standing waves and how these waves interact. And I started thinking, well, this makes sense. You know, this. This makes just so much sense. I started watching these videos obsessively.

Danny (37:36)

Yeah. Well, Chris Dunn was an aerospace engineer before he got interested in the pyramids. And then he was looking at him, looking at him from the inside, looking at the diagrams. Something just struck him that told him, like, look, this thing's a machine. And coming from a person who has been trained in engineering and building things that are supposed to be functional, it's just super compelling that he was drawn to that and drawn to come up with that theory, that power plant theory, which he's revised in his new book. But it's always really cool to see people from outside disciplines, outside of, like, Egyptology, people who are interested in energy or mechanics or engineering and stuff, to actually take an interest in this stuff and. And to talk about it and explain what they think.

Maxim (38:27)

Absolutely. And that's why, you know, I kind of always like ancient history, mainly due to the fact that There is a big group in Russia called Laboratory for Alternative History. I'm sure you've heard of them.

Danny (38:40)

In Russia.

Maxim (38:41)

In Russia, yeah. It's like an enthusiast ran community and they go on expeditions and they do science. And I think science should belong to citizens, to enthusiasts, to amateurs. I don't really like the idea of academic, professional science because until 20th century, all scientists were amateurs. They all had jobs elsewhere. Some were, you know, just independently wealthy to where they didn't have to have a job, but most had a job. You know, for God's sake, Einstein had a job, but a patent clerk. So I think it's the natural state of affairs. Yes, that's them is when you are just driven by your curiosity. And that's what that group is. You know, they're driven by curiosity. So they put out a lot of videos where they showed how a lot of these ancient structures, pyramids or Peruvian megalithic walls, they just don't make sense from the standpoint of primitive civilizations that they are ascribed to. I really saw the idea behind this statement, and as an engineer, I understand what it takes to build things. So somebody shows you a hundred ton block and they tell you that, you know, a horse and a donkey moved it, or, you know, a couple people who are basically naked and no shoes moved it. It kind of strains credulity. You know, I don't want to say it's impossible, but, you know, you scratch your head and you say, like, really, you know, we cannot do it. So that really sold me, you know, to these ideas. And then when I came across Ben's videos, that was just like icing on the cake, you know, jet fuel to the fire. So I was very excited to reach out to Ben, and I'm glad that he actually responded. And he came, you know, he visited me in Naples, Florida. Did you tell you that story?

Danny (40:49)

I think he might have told me that the first time he came down here to do my podcast, I think he mentioned that he was going to see somebody in Naples.

Maxim (40:56)

Yeah, that was me. And okay, it was.

Danny (40:58)

Now it's all coming together.

Maxim (41:00)

Super exciting because part of my business, I not only, you know, make scientific equipment, also, you know, repair and refurbish it. Okay. And occasionally I repair and refurbish electron microscopes. So when. When he came, I actually had a working electron microscope. I do have one now, but, you know, it was a different one back then. And he brought some samples of these stone vessels and we stuck them in the microscope, and it was super exciting to study them because this Laboratory of Alternative History, they did similar studies, and they reported that they found traces of unusual metals on their samples. Their findings were kind of strange. On one hand, they said most samples were bare, you know, nothing on them. But on a few, you know, they found some interesting metals.

Danny (41:53)

What kind of samples? What are you talking about? Like, were these vase samples?

Maxim (41:56)

No, those were just granite samples from chunks of granite. Yeah. That they somehow acquired from their trips to Egypt.

Danny (42:04)

Okay.

Maxim (42:05)

And that's the thing that I would be, you know, critical about. You know, when you do science, it's important to say how you acquired a sample, you know, where you got it from, how you, you know, detached it, how you handled it. Because, you know, when you use an electron microscope, you're looking for trace contaminants, and if you contaminated it in the process of handling it, you know what good your analysis is. Right. But, you know, when Ben visited, you know, we didn't really expect much. And the main discovery that I stand by, you know, to this day, is that the samples were very clean. You know, there was nothing on them. And if you would expect something to be machined with a metal cutter, you would expect to find traces of the cutter, you know, shaved off and wedged.

Danny (42:50)

Yes.

Maxim (42:50)

You know, in the sample. And we didn't see that.

Danny (42:53)

Okay, I see what you're saying. Okay, so. So he gave you the samples to see if they had possibly been machined by something metal other than copper.

Maxim (43:02)

Right. We didn't see any copper, and we didn't see for that, you know, matter much of anything. And I was like, wow, you know, this is very clean. Because I used a electron microscope a lot for my research, you know, various experiments I ran. You put a sample, and usually, like, in a experimental environment, everything is dirty. You know how microchips are made. Everybody is wearing, you know, overalls and, you know, space suits because a tiny particle will mess up your wafer. Right. Well, it's very difficult to keep that level of cleanliness. Typically, if you do shit in the lab, everything is dirty. So all of my samples had all kinds of stuff on it. And the principal problem you have in science is telling contaminants apart from, like, useful things. But, you know, these band samples, they were, like, super clean. You know, how is this possible? Right. And I was joking. Oh, maybe they've been, like, plasma etched, because, you know, plasma etching, cleaning. But maybe it's just, you know, years of, you know, sand and water makes it clean. Or. Or maybe they were not, you know, metal wasn't present. And we'll talk about that.

Danny (44:11)

So. Okay, so. So the pieces that he brought you, we don't know what they were from. They were just random pieces of granite, but they were clearly. They were clearly worked. Is that. Is that.

Maxim (44:20)

Ben brought me pieces of stone. Vessels.

Danny (44:23)

Pieces of stone vessels.

Maxim (44:24)

Okay.

Danny (44:25)

Granite.

Maxim (44:25)

No, actually, I don't know stone types. Because at that time, this was like entirely new topic.

Danny (44:31)

Okay.

Maxim (44:32)

I knew nothing about geology, so he brought me some random pieces of stone, vessels, and, yeah, I couldn't identify stone types, so I said, okay, we'll just stick them in the microscope and see what we find. But they were clearly walked and worked, and they were clearly pieces of stone with vessels. So. No. No doubt about that.

Danny (44:49)

Is there a way of knowing when they would have been worked? Like what year or what time frame?

Maxim (44:54)

Good question. There is, but it's very difficult. It's possible, let's say, on certain types of stone. It's called, I think, thermal luminescence. The process. And the idea is this. Most, like hard stones have quartz in it. You know, quartz is a common component of sand. And quartz tends to accumulate electrons.

Danny (45:19)

Yes. Not much, but a little bit.

Maxim (45:21)

Yeah, A little bit.

Danny (45:21)

Yeah.

Maxim (45:22)

And what happens is, let's say you have a freshly machined surface, Steve, you.

Danny (45:26)

Lost your beautiful image. You're back to your hippie lady. Steve's a hippie.

Maxim (45:32)

Okay. So quartz accumulates electrons. And if you have, like a freshly machined surface, you know, you pretty much know electrons because you took off all of the quartz particles that had any electrons in them. But then, you know, you let that surface sit, it will gather electrons, and then at some point, if you hit that surface, those electrons will come off in a flash of light. And then by the brightness of that flash of light, you can tell, you know, how much time elapsed from. Yes. From when this surface was machined until you heated it. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but that's, you know, that's the gist.

Danny (46:16)

Interesting.

Maxim (46:17)

Yeah. So in principle, let's say with the granite, the quartzite, it's possible.

Danny (46:22)

So I thought that, like, the earthquake lights that you see come from the igneous rock grinding against each other. It's not from the. Is it from the grinding or is it from the heat that is the product of the rock rubbing against each other.

Maxim (46:35)

You know, it's unclear. You know, there is a guy who did work on granite slabs.

Danny (46:42)

Yes. Yeah.

Maxim (46:43)

Friedman Freund. Yes. So he showed that you get electrical effects from compressing granite. And from the standpoint of physics. It makes perfect sense. And then he extrapolated it to the earthquakes because you can have layers.

Danny (46:59)

Yes.

Maxim (46:59)

Granite underground. So it's possible that those get compressed and you have these electric fields that caused the lights. You know, the detailed mechanism I don't think he worked out at insufficient detail, but overall, you know, it seems plausible.

Danny (47:16)

Yeah, he took a large chunk of granite, like a long, a very long, not, not a cylindrical piece, but it was like a square block that was very long, like a pillar. And he put an electrode on one end and the other and they squeezed it and they were able to register electrons from the other end. And that was his theory on, like, how they could do earthquake, early earthquake detection based on seeing the earthquake light. So they did a bunch of measurements around the world where earthquake lights were detected, and sure enough, within days or weeks after the earthquake lights, there were earthquakes. So his hypothesis with that they would be like a good early warning detection system to save people's lives. Fascinating, dude. Okay, and that goes into Chris Dunn's entire Tesla hypothesis that the ground beneath the Great Pyramid was being vibrated by some sort of. He thinks there was like a, a jackhammer in the subterranean chamber that was like hammering the earth, creating many earthquakes, and that was sending electrons up through the base of the pyramid through all the rock. And that was some, some sort of charging the pyramid in some way and creating some sort of free energy to.

Maxim (48:32)

Yeah, I mean, it's really fascinating because, you know, there isn't a day when I don't look at the structure of the Great Pyramid or other pyramids and trying to figure out how it could have worked. And clearly, you know, Chris Dunn had some interesting ideas. And I'm also trying to approach it from the standpoint of engineering, you know, why certain things are engineered certain way in the Great Pyramid. And the best answer I've gotten so far is, and I'm looking at the Great Pyramid and the chamber itself is granite and the chamber has in a corbelt ceiling.

Danny (49:07)

King's chamber.

Maxim (49:08)

Yeah, King's chamber. And I'm thinking, you know, why on earth would you make like corbolt in a ceiling? You know, why is this important? And to me the answer is the only reason it's important. If you want to load the walls, the side walls of the chamber with the weight above and not the ceiling. Because let's say if a chamber is square, you have load both on the side walls and on the ceiling.

Danny (49:35)

Yeah.

Maxim (49:36)

And why, you know, would you want to load side walls but not the ceiling is like when you build a wave that oscillates between the walls and you want that wave to bounce only between the walls and not between the ceiling and the floor. And. And I'm thinking again, you know, why they use granite. So the thing about granite is it does not deform easily. That's why a bunch of like workbenches are made out of granite. For like in a machine shop you will always have like a granite slab that they use for measurements. Because if. Yes. You didn't know that?

Danny (50:15)

No, I did not know that.

Maxim (50:16)

Yeah, it's like the most common use of granite in modern day machining is various measurement. I forget the term now. It's measurement desk, a measurement table. But it's used for measurement because let's say you have a metal workbench and you put a part on it. And these days tolerances are microns. So you start measuring something, but heat vibration, your metal surface, it will curve every so slightly. And that's enough to mess up your measurements by a micron or two. And then when you use your precision micrometer to check, you know, the tolerance on the part, it's all messed up. So that was figured out like years ago, and now it's all made of granite. Because granite does not bend easily, you know, it's.

Danny (51:00)

Right.

Maxim (51:01)

Keeps its shape regardless of vibration, temperature, pressure. Yeah, you got it. Granite table. Yeah. Whoa.

Danny (51:08)

On ebay, huh?

Maxim (51:09)

Yeah.

Danny (51:09)

And 2,700 bucks for a 10 inch thick granite work table.

Maxim (51:13)

Yes. They are massive shipping because they're super stable.

Danny (51:17)

We need one.

Maxim (51:20)

And that's the property of granite. You know, it does not bend, does not compress easily anyway, you know, not as easy as metals or.

Danny (51:28)

Sure.

Maxim (51:28)

And I'm thinking, well, that's why, you know, the chamber was built out of granite, because they wanted it to keep its shape. And when it's important. It's only important when you want to build resonance. Because if your chamber deforms, your resonance will go out of tune.

Danny (51:44)

Right.

Maxim (51:45)

But if your chamber, you know, will not deform no matter what.

Danny (51:48)

Yeah.

Maxim (51:49)

Then it will build a pretty good.

Danny (51:50)

What is it? An F sharp. The king. The king chamber vibrate when you. Something happens where. I think Chris was explaining, he was in there and then he took a, A measuring device that measures the sound in there and tells you what note it is. And he said it was an F sharp, I believe.

Maxim (52:09)

Yeah. So I do believe that I was right.

Danny (52:13)

Wow.

Maxim (52:14)

Yeah. F sharp. Okay.

Danny (52:15)

The king's chamber of the Great Pyramid of Giza is primarily known for a. Known to resonate at a frequency around 117Hz, which corresponds roughly to the musical note F F sharp. Acoustical engineers, including Tom Delaney have found that the chamber and the granite sarcophagus within it have multiple resonant frequencies. Key findings include. Wow, that's so wild. Yeah, it seemed like it was functional, man.

Maxim (52:45)

Yeah, I mean, clearly I believe that it was, you know, some kind of industrial installation. I don't think it was a tomb.

Danny (52:52)

No.

Maxim (52:52)

But you know, when I'm trying to analyze it, I'm trying to see, you know, the patterns that I as an engineer would recognize. And I recognize this importance for resonance. I recognize why they use granite. And the fact that the ceiling was corbelt is telling me that it was important to have the wave bouncing between the walls as opposed to between floor and the ceiling. And the other interesting, I think observation about it is the chamber itself seems to have exploded.

Danny (53:24)

Yes.

Maxim (53:25)

Because the blocks moved out of place.

Danny (53:28)

A huge chunk that was blown out of the box in the middle of.

Maxim (53:32)

It, which tells me it worked and it served its purpose. So I think it was like a one time deal where it built the resonance it was supposed to. And then I'll tell you something else. When you build the resonance, at some point your system can no longer contain it, Right. Because it just, you know, starts falling apart. And I think that's exactly what happened. But I think it was designed for this specific purpose because, you know, the shafts, the shafts were blocked by about.

Danny (54:07)

5 inches of granite gatenbrink's door they found at the top of it.

Maxim (54:12)

Yeah. So the, and in the queen's chamber, if you remember, they weren't even, you know, connected to the chamber.

Danny (54:19)

Right, exactly.

Maxim (54:20)

So and that's a principle in engineering too that we find often, like in the case of, let's say, fuses. So you have some material left that's supposed to break when you signal exceeds the critical threshold. So think the operating idea between the kings and queen's chamber was he built his resonance and when it reaches the threshold, it breaks those slabs that were intentionally left in the shafts and then, you know, the energy is released.

Danny (54:55)

Right. So, well, there was in the shafts, in the queen's chamber, I believe, there was two blocks that were blocking the engine, the engine edges or the ends of them, and the king's chamber, the shafts, one of them I think goes straight out and the other one does some weird thing curve around the grand gallery and then shoots out the side of the pyramid.

Maxim (55:17)

Yeah, so. So I do believe that the, in a queen's chamber for that matter was never used. You know, it was designed. But for whatever reason they, they decided to build another one, the king's chamber.

Danny (55:30)

So you think they never used the shafts and the queen's chamber?

Maxim (55:33)

No, I don't think. Why? Well, two reasons. They were blocked off.

Danny (55:39)

Right.

Maxim (55:40)

And then they never terminated on the outside.

Danny (55:44)

They did terminate.

Maxim (55:45)

What do you mean? The queen chamber shafts, they terminate within the bulk of the pyramid.

Danny (55:50)

They don't reach, they don't reach the outside.

Maxim (55:52)

Yes, but I think the queen chamber.

Danny (55:54)

So you think that was on accident?

Maxim (55:56)

No, I think like you think that.

Danny (55:59)

They, that they built that and they decided, oh, this isn't going to work, we need to do two more.

Maxim (56:05)

Yes. Basically when I look at these pyramids as a whole, like every one of them, and I listened to a bunch of lectures of other researchers who describe their ideas, I think the growing consensus is there was a lot of trial and error. And I think whoever was building this, they were discovering things and they were trying things. So when I look at these various pyramids, I see evolutions in engineering thinking, in engineering design. And in the Great Pyramid we see two chambers because the first chamber is positioned where you think it needs to be. It's like on the axis, it's down below.

Danny (56:42)

Sure.

Maxim (56:43)

Yet you know, they build another one that's offset and has got some additional elements to it. So. And they figured out it wasn't, well, going to work.

Danny (56:51)

Steve, I don't know if you can find Chris Dunn's latest diagram from his new book, but he hypothesizes that the chambers in the queen's chamber or the shafts that go out of the queen's chamber do connect to the outside of the palace pyramid through like pits in the ground. He thinks there were these open pits in the ground that they could have forced some sort of chemical into that basically went up into that chamber and like seeped through the door. He thinks the limestone door, cuz it wasn't a granite door, it was a limestone door. He thinks that the, the chemical could have filtered through that door down into the shafts.

Maxim (57:37)

Yeah, and here is a. I guess I need to give a disclaimer. So what we're doing, we're discussing ideas, right? So we're discussing hypotheses. We're fantasizing.

Danny (57:47)

We need to find out, Steve, if they actually did prove that those shafts in the queen's chamber had a connection to the outside of the pyramid In Chris Dunn's latest book.

Maxim (58:00)

Yeah, and what I'm saying is that's what we need to do when we're starting out, we need to have ideas, we need to have hypotheses. And then, you know, if you want to discover the truth, we need to test the ideas, test the hypothesis. So you know, each idea is testable. If a chemical was used, it has to be a trace, so it left. So by collecting samples and analyzing, we should be able to determine if you have a handgun.

Danny (58:24)

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Maxim (59:58)

Yeah, so you know, that's kind of where I come in and when I hear a hypothesis that I can test, you know, that's, that's what I do because I very much would like to know how it worked, why and who done it. Because I'd like to Learn from it. And I'd like, you know, to use the knowledge that was available back then in my life, you know, to make my life better. To make your life better, you know, so we understand the world better, you know, and make our way through it, you know, with less effort and more joy. That's what I, you know. Very excited to learn.

Danny (60:32)

Yeah, totally, man. Yeah. I think there's lots of questions that, that need to be answered about this stuff. You find anything, Steve?

Maxim (60:39)

Yeah, but I know I'm still looking. I kind of want to finish the point, you know, what I think about the pyramid, because I mentioned that this chamber worked. And I think, you know, when it's reached this resonance, it breached this remaining in a few inches of granite that was. Were blocking the shafts, and the energy shot out of the pyramid. So I think it was used for communication, and that would explain the astronomical alignment.

Danny (61:09)

So. But the, the, the ends of those shafts in the queen's chamber aren't broken. Those doors are intact. They had to drill through them.

Maxim (61:19)

No, I'm talking about the kings.

Danny (61:20)

Oh, the king's chamber. Oh, so you think that was originally sealed?

Maxim (61:24)

Yes.

Danny (61:24)

Okay, I understand.

Maxim (61:25)

So I think the. This remaining few inches of granite broke, you know, when the resonance reached the desired magnitude, and it was designed to break, okay. And the energy went out. And I think it was used for communication because that would explain astronomical alignment and obsession of the ancients with keeping track of time. So throughout these ancient structures, or even in ancient history, we have obsession with, with calendars, with keeping track of time and astronomical alignment. So if you're building a power plant, why the hell is it important that it's, like, oriented exactly in the north, south? It doesn't matter if it's a power plant, but it matters if it's a communication device, especially for space communication, because, you know, to send a signal to space, right, you need to align everything in time. Everything. Precisely. Because otherwise it's not going to arrive.

Danny (62:22)

Right?

Maxim (62:23)

So to me, as an engineer, you know, that's the only explanation I can think of of why a structure needs to be precisely aligned and why, you know, timing is important because that's how we do space communications. Now, let's say you have a Voyager spacecraft on the age of the solar system. The only way you can talk to it, if your antenna is precisely pointing to it, because in the Earth is turning, right? Everything is turning. It's not just the orientation, it's also timing. And I think, you know, pyramids have the same, you know, signature. It's precisely Oriented. And then you have this obsession with time, you know, timekeeping in different ancient cultures, which makes no sense, you know, if you're a primitive, you know, human being, for your, you know, crop calendar, it doesn't matter. You know, the cycles of Venus and other stuff. You know, you can figure out how many days in a year and be happy with it. So why, why do you need equinoxes and other shit? It's only if you want to establish, you know, your clock in the cosmic reference where you want to send signals, you know, across the solar system. And then, you know, to send it, you need to know time and you need to know the orientation because otherwise it's not going to arrive. So. And we see that, you know, in pyramids, it's precisely oriented.

Danny (63:37)

Yes.

Maxim (63:37)

And, yeah, man, it's just a hypothesis, but that's, you know, where my thinking have, have led me.

Danny (63:42)

Yeah. So how is it, how exactly is it oriented?

Maxim (63:45)

It's, it's exactly pointed to the north, right? North, south, like within like a fraction of a degree.

Danny (63:51)

And are the shafts, are the shafts that come out of the queen or the king's chamber, are those aligned astronomically at all?

Maxim (63:58)

Various people looked at it and they proposed various hypotheses, but I don't think those hypotheses hold water because, you know, there are so many stars and the stars shift. But, you know, I don't pretend to be right about it. It's just a wild idea. I'm just saying if you want to send a signal and you know that a certain party will be in a certain point in space at a certain time and you want to reach to them, you know, that's where you point. So I think, you know, the shafts weren't particularly pointing to any star or planet. I think they were just pointing to a location of interest where that signal was supposed to be received.

Danny (64:37)

Right.

Maxim (64:37)

So. So I guess the hypothesis that I'm ascribing to, it's, you know, the Robinson Crusoe, the famous book. So I think someone got stranded on Earth and they were desperate to send a SOS back.

Danny (64:50)

Oh, really?

Maxim (64:51)

Yes. And that's. And the pyramid was their way of doing it. That's why it has this geographical alignment and, you know, precisely timed, and you have this chamber that builds resonance and then the slabs break and the energy is released and USAS is communicated. So I think it served its purpose.

Danny (65:09)

Yeah, well, it's also interesting. There's pyramids all over the world, not just there. I mean, obviously the Great Pyramid of Cheops is like the most impressive one with the most enormous megalithic stones that are built into it and with all those crazy chambers that make it look like a machine. But like, pyramids are everywhere. All over South America, they're in China, all over Egypt. And I don't know, I don't know, man. I, I, I think it's totally possible that human timeline wasn't linear.

Maxim (65:41)

Yeah. Are you familiar with the, is it cargo theory?

Danny (65:46)

Cargo cult?

Maxim (65:46)

Yeah. Cargo cult theory. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. The Pacific island.

Danny (65:52)

Remind me.

Maxim (65:53)

So during the World War II, American soldiers dropped cargo on some Pacific island. And I think they dropped it by mistake. Maybe they meant to drop it somewhere else. And there was a tribe living on that island. So in the experience of the tribe, you know, there's goods dropped out of the sky, then beings landed and they gave these magic artifacts to them. And then they cured disease. And, and when the Americans left, the Polynesians, I think those were Polynesians, they started imitating what they've seen. They've built a wooden airplane. They put coconuts on their heads. Yes. To, to simulate headphones. Yeah, yes. They made, you know, goggles out of, you know, bamboo. Who knows what, you know, they even imitated the rituals. So I think we have this firsthand experience of what an encounter with a more technologically advanced civilization looks like. You know, people come from the sky, they bring technology that you consider is magic and then emulate it. And I think we see a lot of that, you know, all over the world. So in a pyramids, maybe some of them were built for the purpose, others were, you know, emulations. And a lot of objects, even in vases, I think we have some that emulate artifacts that weren't produced, let's say, by the people the vases are attributed to. So I think this makes sense because, look, otherwise, what the heck is that? It's just we're trying to recreate something that we've seen we don't really know the function of.

Danny (67:40)

Certainly there's a lot of pyramids in Egypt around the Great Pyramid that are not impressive. They're not as impressive. Right. They're not perfect. They don't have, you know, 10 ton pieces of granite that are perfectly cut square. They don't have all the internal structures and internal shafts and chambers and all that stuff. But they're all over the world.

Maxim (67:58)

Yeah, right.

Danny (67:59)

Like they're, they're, how do you get them in Peru and Mexico and, you know, Central America and in, in halfway across the world in Egypt. It's just. It just seems. Well, it seems crazy to me.

Maxim (68:13)

Well, I think whoever crashed on Earth, they traveled the planet because they were desperate to get out of it. So they went to different parts of it, and maybe they were even, you know, different factions in that party that.

Danny (68:26)

You know, I don't even think they have to crash on Earth. I think it could have just been humans. I could. I think it could have been super advanced humans that got wiped out.

Maxim (68:34)

That. That's also possible. Which, which I think there is some science fiction stories, maybe even a lot of science fiction stories where the plot goes like this. So people go on, What's the word on interstellar travel, you know, which takes years. Then they come back and some calamity beset the planet. The planet is wiped, so you come back home, but there is no home anymore. It's wiped out. Right. So that's quite possible, you know, which brings another excellent observation. Something to the tune of not just tectonic plates moving, but the Earth crust slipping. So have you heard of this theory? Yeah, yeah. So evidently it's possible that the Earth crust is just barely hanging onto the mantle. But, you know, the planet spins as a whole, so the cross spins along with the mantle. And I don't know if you have been tracking the news, but maybe a year ago, there's been a lot of talk that the Earth core was showing some irregularities in rotation. So if you think the idea of.

Danny (69:52)

The Earth crust and core is showing irregularities. Yes, I haven't seen that. I saw news about the North Pole shifting.

Maxim (69:59)

Well, I think these are related news. And, you know, when I read them, I tend not to believe them because, you know, to me, as a physicist, if you have, like, a spinning mass, it cannot shift its direction of rotation quickly because of the amount of energy is required.

Danny (70:14)

Right, right.

Maxim (70:15)

So when I was reading those news, I, you know, didn't take much stock in them. But just go with me for a moment. So. So suppose indeed, you know, these various layers of Earth aren't as tightly coupled to one another. Right. As we might believe. And then if you have, like, solar system as a system, meaning you have, like, multiple planets orbiting the sun, and these planets influence each other. And then on top of that, you have visitors to the solar system from other solar systems. Like, now we have this Atlas 3i body zooming, and it's like the third one we observe. So in the past, and it could have been other bodies that, you know, passed. And, you know, what if they passed closer to Earth and then you have Interaction between these various systems. And normally we are taught, well, it's just gravity and gravity is weak or it shouldn't really affect things except that, you know, maybe change the trajectory of Earth around sun slightly. But what if, you know, it can affect in the Earth's crust and it could affect the slippage? You see what I mean?

Danny (71:29)

Yeah. This is crazy. I've never seen this. Mysterious changes near Earth's core revealed by satellites in space. This was like a month ago.

Maxim (71:39)

Well, I mean there are news about it on and off and you know, I didn't study it closely because materials.

Danny (71:46)

Deep inside Earth thousands of kilometers down near the planet's core has pay to watch. You can't get through that paywall? No, I'm not a hacker. I thought Brave could get through them.

Maxim (71:58)

Oh, well, I can tell you where you can read the article if you go to Psy Dash Hub.

Danny (72:03)

Oh yeah, yeah.

Maxim (72:03)

That's a pirate site that goes around paywall. So the point.

Danny (72:10)

Yeah.

Maxim (72:12)

We talk about, you know, warming, you know, climate change and whatnot. Right?

Danny (72:16)

Yes. How is Bill Gates just went back on that. You see that? Well, he just pulled back on climate change. He said it's not going to end Earth. He said now we have to focus on refunding U.S. aid.

Maxim (72:25)

Good. Well, we know that Earth goes through climate cycles, you know, regardless, man made, you know, natural Earth goes through climate cycles.

Danny (72:35)

Yes. I've seen the chart that goes back millions of years and it's, it's a roller coaster, so.

Maxim (72:41)

Yes, exactly. And why is this important? Because it's cyclical. And what happens when you have cycles? You have more ice, you have less ice. What happens when you have more ice? You have ice pushing down on Earth crust.

Danny (72:53)

Correct? Yeah.

Maxim (72:53)

You know, creating an indentation that pins earth crust to the mantle. But if that ice melts, the identation becomes shallow and nothing is spinning crust to the mantle. You see.

Danny (73:10)

So the ice on the top and the bottom of the Earth are like counterweights, right?

Maxim (73:13)

Yeah.

Danny (73:13)

If there is too much ice maybe on one on the top or something and not on the bottom or whatever. Well, it could, it could.

Maxim (73:21)

That plus the fact that you have weight that's pushing your crust down.

Danny (73:26)

Yeah.

Maxim (73:27)

So if that weight is gone all of a sudden, you know, the crust is just sitting on a, on a rather slick layer of a mantle. There was nothing pushing it down. So I think it's not impossible to wear when another bodies like say shooting through the solar system and coming next to Earth and then some interaction takes place and maybe it doesn't take a lot of energy, you know, where, let's say, the pull on the crust is stronger and there is no ice to hold the crust down. And maybe, you know, the crust would slip, and then you have this enormous, you know, tidal wave that goes and wipes everything. And maybe it's a cyclical process, and maybe that's, you know, what's been happening on this planet for.

Danny (74:08)

I mean, it's crazy. What is the spin rate of the. We're spinning at what, a thousand miles per hour?

Maxim (74:13)

I think it's 500 meters per second on the equator, if that's what you mean.

Danny (74:17)

The Earth, the spit, like how fast the earth is.

Maxim (74:20)

Yes.

Danny (74:20)

Rotating thousand is a thousand miles per hour.

Maxim (74:24)

Well, you can convert meters per second. Oh, look.

Danny (74:27)

There you go.

Maxim (74:27)

Yeah, you got it.

Danny (74:28)

10, 38 miles per hour.

Maxim (74:30)

Yeah. So 500 meters. Yeah, per second on the equator. So, speaking of which, you know, do you find anything funny in Florida?

Danny (74:42)

I find lots of funny things in Florida.

Maxim (74:43)

Well, I find several things funny. We have pine trees next to palm trees. You know, pine trees is a northern species. Okay, so why the hell do we have, you know, so many pine trees next to palm trees? Well, then the water, if you drill.

Danny (75:03)

People, like, to plant trees.

Maxim (75:05)

Well, I mean, these are like native species, Right. The pines were here, you know, when people arrived. You know, there are pines here natively.

Danny (75:16)

We used lots of oaks, too.

Maxim (75:17)

Right. Then, you know, when you drill down, the water is loaded with iron. It's rusty.

Danny (75:25)

In Florida.

Maxim (75:25)

Yes. Or is this everywhere in Florida?

Danny (75:28)

Okay.

Maxim (75:29)

And when you drill deeper, you know, there is a lot of sulfur, meaning from organic matter decay. So what this is telling me there is a lot of under sand, you know, because we have layers of sand. And then under those layers, we have layers where organic matter is decaying profusely, creating this hydrogen sulfide. That's which is a problem. And then we have layers that are, for whatever reason, reach in iron. And then when you have sprinklers going, everybody has these red blotches because there's dissolved water. Yes. But at different depths, you find this. And what's telling me is it's consistent, you know, that observation on its own is consistent with the fact that there was something here that was covered by the tidal wave and now it's rotting. And you get this, you know, dissolved iron because it was metal structures. And you get this in a hydrogen sulfide because it's buried organic matter. And the fact that we have pine trees is compatible with the fact that this was further north. But then you know, the crust shifted. You know, the northern vegetation ended up in the south. And then, you know, the tidal wave, you know, buried stuff over. And in our town, there is.

Danny (76:42)

How long ago you think this happened?

Maxim (76:44)

Not too long ago, because not all of the iron is gone and not all of the organic matter is gone. And there are some traces of infrastructure. Even in our town we have a thing called Indian Canal, which is a canal that discovered, you know, with the ground penetrating radar when they were like, doing construction that connects to or basically goes across like a sandbar, but it's maybe half a mile long, you know, something like that. And they say, oh, Indians must have dug it, because it makes perfect sense. Here you have a harbor, and there you have the ocean. So rather than going the long way, let's just cut a canal.

Danny (77:18)

Sure.

Maxim (77:19)

Well, I'm thinking, shit, you are an Indian. You're practically naked. You have, you know, a canoe, you don't have any tools, and you will start digging a canal. You know, that just. I'm refusing to believe it. Besides, they didn't have, you know, like.

Danny (77:34)

Indians could build canals.

Maxim (77:35)

Well, that's what. What the conventional explanation is, right? And to me, I think it's possible.

Danny (77:40)

Indians could have built canals when they were building.

Maxim (77:42)

But it doesn't make sense. I mean, a lot of things that are possible don't. Don't make sense. So to me, one of the guiding factors is when I look at history or archaeology, is I refuse to believe at things that don't make sense. Like, nobody would do stupid work. Nobody would do work stupidly. I think people are smarter than that. So to me, to build a canal, it requires not only to have tools, but it also requires a level of organization. So you need to have some kind of state which we are not aware of from the sociological studies or historical studies that Indians, at least at this part of the world, and we're not talking about Inca empire or Aztec empire, we're not aware of any empire existing locally that was organized enough to where major infrastructure work could be ordered. Because you have to have power of state, you know, to gather that much people and, you know, make them do the work. Because if you're just a merchant, well, there is only this much you could do. You know, to build a canal, you need. It's an organized. Sure, you need a state for that. You need bureaucracy and shit. And I don't think that was in place. So that's why I, you know, to me, an easy explanation. It's a remnant of an infrastructure that was, you Know, wiped out and covered with sand, you know. Well, this whole thing.

Danny (79:04)

Well, we were looking at. Steve, remember when we. We had the. The guy on here that was showing us the Carolina Bays, and we were going back and we were on a website, looking at the history of the landscape of Florida, particularly this county, and it was showing all the natural ravines and stuff that flow through today. Like, right now you can drive down the street, and there's parts of the road where there's, like, little bridges with waterways going under them. Right. They don't even pay attention to, like, little narrow canals and stuff like that. We were going back, like, hundreds of years and finding out that these things have been here forever, and they ran all the way through Florida. And now we've just built on top.

Maxim (79:39)

Of all of them.

Danny (79:40)

And there's a lot of natural, like, canals and ravines and rivers and stuff that. That have been here for as long as we can.

Maxim (79:51)

Yeah. And that particular canal is not natural. I mean, it's been established as a artificial.

Danny (79:56)

Which canal are you talking about?

Maxim (79:57)

Specific canal in Naples.

Danny (79:59)

In Naples? Yeah. Okay.

Maxim (80:00)

I think it's called the Indian Canal or something like that. You know, if you walk on the 3rd Avenue, you know, there is a sign. There was a picture of radar scan that says, oh, you know, Indians must have dug it, you know, through. And we're not talking. Yeah, that's it. We're not talking about digging through sand. We're talking about digging through coral also. Right. So, I mean, it's too big of a canal. Canal to where? I. I just refuse to believe that.

Danny (80:27)

How long do they. Do we know. Do they. Do we know how long that's been there or what is the conventional explanation for how long it's been there?

Maxim (80:33)

I don't recall. On top of my head.

Danny (80:36)

Interesting.

Maxim (80:38)

But, you know, it's not that big.

Danny (80:39)

What is that, a mile?

Maxim (80:41)

Yeah, about a mile. But still, you know, imagine we're talking Neolithic people did it. But that aside, there are traces of infrastructure that are a lot more impressive in Russia.

Danny (80:54)

This is the can. Oh, this is the. Okay. AI says the Indian Naples Canal was in use from approximately A.D. 700 to 1400. Okay, so who was in Florida?

Maxim (81:09)

Wait, what?

Danny (81:10)

It ran over a hell. It ran a mile from the Gulf of Mexico to Naples Bay.

Maxim (81:15)

Oh, yeah.

Danny (81:16)

Okay, so who was in Florida during 1000 A.D. i have no idea. Find out.

Maxim (81:23)

Haven't been around.

Danny (81:25)

You were in Russia?

Maxim (81:26)

Yeah, I was in Russia. Exactly. I was being chased.

Danny (81:29)

At least your ancestors were getting. Getting chased through Siberia.

Maxim (81:35)

So we were Trying to decide whether to eat bears or mate with them.

Danny (81:41)

Let's see what Steve comes up with here. Native Floridians, primarily the ancestors of cow Calusa Calusa lived in what is now Naples. Surrounding area forming part of the the Glades culture. Shell mound villages.

Maxim (81:55)

Yeah. And there were not a lot of people, you know, we're talking just a few thousand people because it was a densely populated area.

Danny (82:01)

No, interesting, huh?

Maxim (82:08)

But where I was going with this is there are some, you know, remnants of ancient infrastructure in Russia that, you know, Russian enthusiasts discovered by studying maps. And those remnants of infrastructure fall into three categories. One is like stone, not stone, ground mount, not mounds, but ground walls that like maybe 10ft tall, but they run like for thousands of kilometers. So when you drive on the road you might see a hill or two. But like if you look on the satellite picture topographic map, you see and it seems to be like a man made dike or something. And some of those are found like along the Volga river where floods were known to take place because, you know, rivers do flood in springtime, but those are ancient. And there are also traces of canals. And some of those were reused or, you know, deepened and excavated when modern day canals were built. So those are like middle Russia along Volgradon and basically this earth. Earth dikes or earth walls that, you know, no record of anybody building. And I think maybe during sar time somebody build it. No, there is no record. But more puzzling, like in Siberia, if you go like thousands and thousand miles in Siberia, there is this known grid. When you look at the satellite map of taiga, you see it's divided into squares. You actually see, you know, the division into squares. And when you go on site, you see that the area where there is no forest is. Forest is not growing for whatever reason, you know, as if the earth was somehow. Yeah, something, you know, some chemicals put, you know, to where it doesn't grow and it forms this like neat, you know, rectangular pattern like for, you know, thousands and thousands of miles. And, and once again there is nowhere.

Danny (84:06)

Nothing grows in the middle of forest.

Maxim (84:08)

Yeah, so it's exactly. Imagine you have.

Danny (84:11)

Can you find this, Steve?

Maxim (84:12)

It's, it's as if grid is superimposed on top of, of the woods and that's, wow, cleared and nobody's clearing it. It's just crazy.

Danny (84:23)

There's spots like this I've heard of in Siberia as well, where comets have hit.

Maxim (84:26)

Yeah, yeah. But you know, we're talking about this is rectangular grid, right?

Danny (84:31)

Obviously not comets.

Maxim (84:33)

And you know, imagine the amount of work it would take, you know, just to clear it and maintain it. But nobody's clearing it. Nobody's maintaining it.

Danny (84:40)

Yeah, that when it comes to like ancient sites and ancient civilizations and stuff like this, Russia is one place you never really hear much talk about.

Maxim (84:49)

Yeah. Which is unfortunate because there's been some, you know, so. So right now we're discussing fringe ideas. Right. But you know, there is non controvertible discoveries made in archaeology in Russia recently that nobody's talking about. Like Siberia was supposed to have been uninhabitable by civilized peoples until recently. Yet you know, they found a bunch of cities that like a spiral shaped cities that's been excavated and they all have like similar structure and they practiced or smelting and pottery and all sorts of crafts. And maybe they found a dozen of these cities and one is the better known as goes by the name of Arkaim. And those date like thousands of years, you know, bc. So all of a sudden, you know, the traces of unknown culture has been found that, you know, same time as, let's say, you know, Egyptian civilization, but in the part of the world where nobody knew, you know, any kind of civilized activity took place, you know, yet they find these mounds, they excavate them and sure enough it's a settlement. Wow. And there are a bunch of settlements like this, like all over, you know, Russia, right on the border of Russia and Kazakhstan and some in Kazakhstan and other others in Siberia.

Danny (86:07)

Yeah.

Maxim (86:08)

So we're talking about like several of these, not just one. And imagine, you know, what else might be there. Some half thinking about getting the ground penetrating radar and start, you know, exploring myself. Because so much stuff seems to be underground that, you know, we just walk over and we wonder why the hell, you know, my well water is red.

Danny (86:31)

Isn't the permafrost a big deal in Siberia?

Maxim (86:34)

Yeah, yeah, there is. Oh, which.

Danny (86:38)

And there's lots of like, I guess with it melting or something, there's like lots of like really toxic shit being released from the ground.

Maxim (86:47)

Yeah, the funny you say that because there is a. You know, I write poetry and I like poetry and there is a Russian poet who writes like dirty poems and recently one of his poem was about permafrost melting and some prehistoric monster, you know, erupting from it and laying eggs all over the place. Kind of like in the alien, you know, situation. And when you look at it, it's believable because your shit melts. And then you know, we have this all kinds of pathogens and bacteria that come out from It. But there is another thing that's like right in your face. We're talking about forests all over the planet aren't that old. And biologists and botanists who study forests, they discovered this long time ago that it's very strange that all the woods are approximately 80 to 100 years old. So we don't have forests.

Danny (87:52)

All of the forests.

Maxim (87:53)

All of the forests, yes. And I could be misrepresented.

Danny (87:56)

Amazon.

Maxim (87:57)

Even in Amazon there's been like a study of how connected the. What's the term, you know, the tree has the krona. What's the canopy? The canopy, yes. Thank you. How well the canopies are connected because by how densely the canopies are packed, they can tell the age of the woods. It's like a very well researched topic. In an established mature woods, all the canopies are meshed in very tightly. Yeah, but if it's a younger wood, you know, there is a mismatch because, you know, trees grow at different rates. So they did a study and woods like all over, you know, the planet exhibit this pattern of being immature in which makes no sense. Unless of course, you know, you include this, you know, catastrophe idea that occurs regularly that, you know, renews the woods, you know, on the global scale. And you know, that unfortunately, well, fortunately it traces back to the idea of catastrophisms that this catastrophes happen on this planet regularly to where we don't have woods like, you know, the great Redwoods all over the place. You know, we have, you know, just a few places we have these, you know, giant trees but, but those are like remnants. Remnants of, you know, what's left. Yeah, because taiga, it is huge and all of the woods are, you know, under 100 years old. Under a hundred years he will be very.

Danny (89:17)

The Amazon's definitely over thousands of years old.

Maxim (89:20)

Well, I mean as a body maybe, but I mean individual trees.

Danny (89:25)

Yeah, I think they, I think that's pretty not contested that the trees in the Amazon are really old.

Maxim (89:32)

Well, I don't know about Amazon. I can, yeah, speak about, you know, Russia. I mean, trees all over taiga, at.

Danny (89:38)

Least in North America. I don't know about Russia, but I know at least in North America there's trees that are like ancient.

Maxim (89:44)

Well, in Russia you'll be hard pressed to find trees over 100 years old.

Danny (89:49)

That's interesting.

Maxim (89:49)

And the other interesting fact that people noticed is when you look at pictures of Russia taken 100 years ago, hardly a tree anywhere, it's just plains. So all of like seems that the majority of vegetation have grown in the past 100 years. And people often do this, you know, side by side, pictures of what a place looked like in the early 1900s. I mean, yeah, basically 100 years ago versus now. And what. And you cannot recognize because on one picture, not a single tree. And now it's like all overgrown. So there, there is, you know, some happened to where there were no trees in Russia, all steps. And now the trees growing and all the trees are young.

Danny (90:31)

So, Steve, see what you can find about this.

Maxim (90:33)

And it's, you know, like within the scale of human life. You know, within 100 years. We're not talking thousands of years. And within 100 years, it's a huge change. So, you know, to me, as an engineer, this is all, like, fascinating. You know, I don't. I don't think, you know, the narrative we're presented is complete or accurate or truthful and not necessary because there is some conspiracy to hide, you know, the past from us. It's. I think it was challenging in the past when you have to go onto an expedition, you know, make a discovery, report it. Now we're talking, you know, people are listening. They'll start looking at pictures and start digging in. And information is like a wave is rising. All of a sudden we are presented, you know, with satellite images with, you know, geological survey, you know, data and some other shit that we can really quickly put side by side and see whether it meshes or not. And I think that's what makes our life exciting. You know, this, you know, geology of information that we can mix and match and analyze.

Danny (91:38)

So I found the. The age of the furs are. The balsam fur is 80 years old. Wow. But that doesn't mean that the forest.

Maxim (91:49)

Itself has been there for 80 years.

Danny (91:51)

But that's their lifespan, which is pretty short for freaking tree. Like others. That is a very short. Right. Like. But then it says that, well, maximum lifespan is 100, only 150.

Maxim (92:02)

Yeah.

Danny (92:03)

That's odd. The lifespan can be cut short by pests. Wow. Wow. I didn't know and I couldn't really. Oh, wait. I think I might have found a comparison. No, that's. Now that's just a deforestation. I couldn't find the.

Maxim (92:20)

Yeah, it might be it. Maybe you need to type the query in Russia. In Russian, because it's mostly, like, discussed in Russian. Okay, channels. But even in my hometown, you know, I've seen pictures of what it looked like, like 100 years ago versus now and 100 years, there was hardly a tree.

Danny (92:41)

Right.

Maxim (92:41)

But of course, you know, there is also a more trivial explanation that, you know, before they've been cutting trees for firewood, right? Yeah, but like all over the place. You know what? And that's kind of the thing, you know, the point I wanted to make. It's fine to have ideas, you know, it's fine to have speculations, it's fine to have fantasies. But at the end of the day, and if you want to prove anything, it all boils down to running numbers, right? So you run your idea through numbers and see if it comes out correct or not. And then maybe you do the count and all the trees were cut because winter is a cold and no trees are left. But then the question becomes, if they cut all the trees and they were still not freezing, where the hell they were getting the firewood from?

Danny (93:34)

Yeah, that's true.

Maxim (93:36)

So.

Danny (93:36)

So are there any sort of like unexplainable megalithic sites or artifacts that are found in Russia?

Maxim (93:44)

I'm glad you asked. Yes, but it's not what you think. It's actually, I guess I think the biggest mystery in the eyes of Russians is St. Petersburg, you know, the St. Petersburg in Russia, which is the city that is not that old, if you believe the official history. So if you read the official history, it goes, Peter the Great founded this city in the middle of a swamp where the Neva river flows out of Lake Ladoga into the Gulf of Finland, like real low, swampy land. And he decided to build a new capital there. And the first question is like, you find the worst possible spot, congratulations. Everybody recognizes this because ever since the city was built, it was suffering from annual floods of Neva River.

Danny (94:47)

Right.

Maxim (94:48)

So stupid, you know, and then, you know, the Gulf of Finland, everybody knows it has so much fresh water in it to where arguably motivation of Peter the Great was he wanted to build a port, port city. But the Gulf of Finland is so bad to where it's a known fact that the cost of moving goods, let's say from Holland all the way to Gulf of Finland, let's say, is a hundred units. And Then this remaining 2 miles exactly also a hundred units because it was shallow, the water was almost non saline saline, so the wood rotted. It's like the worst possible place for commerce. But that aside, the bigger mystery is we have these palaces, just magnificent palaces in Saint Petersburg and cathedrals that have megalithic component to them. And. And once again, it's a topic that's like widely discussed in Russian communities because it's like close to our culture and probably not Discussed here. But take for example, for example, St. Isaac's Cathedral. So if you open up a history book, it tells us that was built by, you know, Italian architect. And that cathedral has columns that are, you know, 100ft tall. You know, they're gigantic. Yes, they're huge. And they telling us that, you know, those columns were brought and quarried and they have pictures. And when you look at those pictures, it makes no sense. There's no way, you know, those columns were loaded on a barge and not a chance in hell they were, you know, transported and offloaded. And it's just the documentation that goes with it.

Danny (96:43)

What year?

Maxim (96:45)

200 years ago? Maybe 300. Yeah, about 200, 300 years ago. So it's not that long ago. And there is arguably documentation because the guy who built it, Monferon, he put a journal where he documented it. And I build houses, I'm an engineer, I look at looks odd. And then you also consider no roads. You know, Russia was poor. And then you're building this, you know, huge multi ton columns and bringing them over. It just doesn't make sense. But it goes further than that, than all over St. Petersburg, which is, by the way, on the same longitude as Cairo. There is a lot of, you know, Egyptian motives. You know, there are sphinxes and there is Egyptian inspired architecture. There are this megalithic granite bathtubs that are exhibited at a hermitage, which we have no idea how the hell they were carved and brought. And then I guess the funniest thing is the Winter palace or the Hermitage Museum. Now it's actually a three story building, but the first story is entirely underground. And if you walk around it, you know, there will be like a hole where you can see a portion of the window. And if you excavate it further, you know, you see the columns and everything. It's not like it's like the first floor is buried completely. Meaning, like, how can you build 200 years ago and have your like first floor be on the ground? And that's like a pattern in every town in Russia.

Danny (98:22)

Really?

Maxim (98:22)

Yes. Like the first floors are on the ground to where the entrances to the building are often on the second floor or like in between the floors.

Danny (98:30)

Underground. When you say underground, is there a basement? Can you go down there or is it.

Maxim (98:35)

Yeah, you can go down there. I mean, okay, it's such a.

Danny (98:39)

But it's like there was, you're saying that there's like windows on the exterior.

Maxim (98:42)

Windows and all of the, you know, decorative elements. And the first floor looks exactly like, you know, the ground floor now, but. Except it's underground, so it clearly, you know, was covered up. And when. When you talk to, let's say, a historian, they say, oh, it's, you know, dirt. Like really, you know, over 200 years, we have six, seven feet of dirt. You know, the street was never cleaned because it's a pattern not only in St. Petersburg, it's in Every, like, major city in Russia is like that. You know, they do some construction work in a building that's only 200 years old. You know, the first floor is on the ground and it was all the windows and doors and steps and all of the. Buried. Yeah, buried, basically. And it's just. And people started noticing this and they posting this and. And they research St. Petersburg a lot. And once again, you know, you cannot believe everything that people say on Internet. So you don't know when people post something, it's authentic or not.

Danny (99:40)

But I want to see what is the explanation for the giant granite bathtubs?

Maxim (99:46)

Yeah. I don't know. They say, well, some guys in Russia did it and they delivered it. But maybe more, I guess incredulous. Is.

Danny (99:57)

Are they. Are they precise, like granite? Are they.

Maxim (100:00)

They're very finely crafted. I don't know if anybody actually measured them to determine, you know, precision or not. But I know there is a, like a famous building in St. Petersburg that has. Yeah. Like this.

Danny (100:14)

Holy moly. That's like eight foot tall.

Maxim (100:18)

Yeah, something like that. Wow. Yeah. What the hell is that?

Danny (100:24)

And that's one piece of granite.

Maxim (100:26)

Well, by the looks of it.

Danny (100:28)

Holy, dude.

Maxim (100:30)

Yeah. And so. So one study. I know there is, like, a famous building.

Danny (100:34)

How much does that weigh?

Maxim (100:37)

Yeah, my. My guess is as good as.

Danny (100:39)

That's insane. That's totally insane. How many of those are there?

Maxim (100:48)

I don't know. I mean, I've seen a couple. I've seen another one that has a foot in it and it's smaller.

Danny (100:55)

48 tons. Good God.

Maxim (100:57)

That's carved.

Danny (100:59)

That's carved for sure. The original block was supposed to be 160 tons before carving.

Maxim (101:08)

Yeah. So on that note, there is a. There is a famous monument in St. Petersburg which is a monument to Peter the Great, and it's on the rock. And the.

Danny (101:19)

Thunderstone.

Maxim (101:19)

Yeah, thunderstone. And the theory is it was brought in from Karelia.

Danny (101:24)

From Finland. Right?

Maxim (101:25)

From Finland, basically. Yeah. And when you look at it, it's just. I think I mentioned before, I don't believe that people were stupid and they were doing stupid work. So I think it's a stupid idea for a Tsar to say, hey, you know, bring me a rock from God knows where to put here. It's stupid, however you look at it. And even, okay, if somebody was that stupid to give that stupid order, how would you do it when there are no roads, no infrastructure? And.

Danny (101:52)

Well, they. They've documented how they moved that thunderstone. Right. Like Ben. Ben explained it to me how they built this rail system with bearings, and then they also built these giant ships or like giant rafts with warships on each side of them to move it. Oh, yeah, there you go.

Maxim (102:08)

I think it's utter.

Danny (102:09)

Really.

Maxim (102:10)

Yeah. I mean, it just. It just insults my intelligence, you know, this whole story insults my intelligence. I mean, I believe that, you know, somebody could have created documentation to make it look plausible. But there is a. An example from the recent history in the same town, and it was called Leningrad during, you know, Soviet era. They wanted to erect a monument to the. In a World War II, which was a granite. Granite obelisk. So it's a one piece of granite that they carved, I think, in Karelia, which is next to Finland. And they brought it, you know, on this huge trucks and erected on one of the squares, city squares. And it's well documented how it was done. And it basically goes like this. Several, like research institutions or working for, I think, year or two on the logistics of it, how it would be carved, how it would be loaded, how it would be transported, you know, which roads is possible to take, which roads are impossible to take, you know, which bridges would hold if it's transported over water, how it would be unloaded, and, you know, things of that nature. So it took like two years of planning and a year to execute and bring that obelisk and erected. And by the way, it was erected on a. Interestingly, on a lead gasket, you know, so the contact between the foundation and the obelisk is good. And it stays, like solidly in one place. So if it took like two years to plan, a year, it could give it all of the. In a modern technology, when we have roads, you know, have cranes, you know, have trucks and all of that, you know, doing that with the rock, you know, 300 years ago when. None of that.

Danny (103:56)

What was that thing? A thousand tons? I think that thing was a thousand tons. I think that they estimated that thing was the same. The same size and weight as the unfinished obelisk of the pregnant woman in Egypt.

Maxim (104:10)

Yeah. Besides, it's stupid, you know, why would you do it? I don't believe anybody's stupid. Besides, you know, people need to be paid, you know, how much money are you wasting on moving a rock?

Danny (104:20)

Well, monumental type stuff was very important to these cultures.

Maxim (104:25)

Yeah, but, you know, people are rational. I don't believe in the idea that people are irrational.

Danny (104:30)

Yeah, but what if the king, you know, a king with a lot of money and a giant ego wants to show that his civilization is the best, he's gonna get all the people and.

Maxim (104:38)

Well, I know what happens when that.

Danny (104:40)

What is that sound?

Maxim (104:42)

It's a motorcycle.

Danny (104:43)

Okay.

Maxim (104:45)

You know what happens? What you're describing takes place. Another king is looking at the king who's gone nuts, and he invades his country and takes over. Because, you know, when you undertake a project like that, you pull in resources from everywhere, which means you don't have enough money or enough focus on maintaining military or, you know, guard your borders and people take advantage of it. Sure. You know, this happens all the time. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just. And I could be wrong. You know, I'm just expressing my personal opinion. I do believe fundamentally that people are rational and people are smart overall, you know, as a, you know, physical ensemble. You know, it's a quantum system. We're rational and smart overall. So I don't think, you know, people do irrational things on that scale, or stupid things, for that matter, because everybody can count money. And that's why I think we underappreciate how smart people, ancient Egyptians were. And that's, you know, one thing I've learned in the course of my, you know, vase project. I think my appreciation to the acumen, intellectual acumen of ancient Egyptians has increased tremendously.

Danny (105:55)

Yeah, well, like, you know, our society and our culture today, our values are probably way different than their values were back then. You know, our values now, at least in the Western world, are all based on economics, you know, and getting. Acquiring wealth and notoriety and recognition for. And at the high level, at least. And back then, I don't think that was. I think. I don't think that was it. I think maybe back then it was one of their top values was getting closer to the gods or something like, you know, maybe.

Maxim (106:31)

But economics is still, you know, you cannot take it out of the equation. No, because I think of this, you know, let's say, you know, pyramids were constructed by manual labor. You know, let's just say, you know, go with the mainstream idea then, you know, all of the workers need to be fed. Imagine, you know, how much food you just need to produce just to feed this army of. Of laborers. And how much strain would that Put on the, you know, agricultural, you know, production that you need to feed an army of workers. And there is no way around it because you cannot not feed your labor force because without energy you cannot move anything. And that goes about any project that involves massive amount of people. You send an army somewhere, and with that army you send herds of ship and cattle and logistics with the cards of wheat and barley and whatnot. Right, right. So you have to have food to feed your labor force. And if you don't, you know, they cannot do any work. Sure. And, you know, once you start accounting for that, a lot of projects just become prohibitively expensive because we often think, oh, you know, those just slaves. You beat the slave, he does the work. No, the slave cannot work unless you give him food, because without food he doesn't have strength and energy.

Danny (107:50)

Right, yeah, you're right about that. So, so I'm curious, how does your work in, in nuclear connect to this ancient stuff and some of these ancient megalithic stuff and these ancient artifacts?

Maxim (108:08)

I'm glad you asked, because I almost forgot about that. So when Ben approached me and showed me, you know, these vases, and of course, you know, I was blown away by how well they were made. And because I am open minded, you know, I started thinking about, you know, crazy stuff like maybe, you know, reptilian billions from other stellar systems were making them with their scaly hands. And if that was the case, of course, you know, they wouldn't use chisels or lathes. You know, they would use, you know, some other magic. And as a nuclear scientist, the thing that comes to mind is, yeah, nuclear technology, because everybody knows that there is so much more energy within a nucleus than in a chemical bond. It's not even funny.

Danny (109:02)

Yeah.

Maxim (109:02)

And it's really thousand times, if not 10,000 times more energy per unit mass. Which means if you are an advanced civilization, you probably have mastered nuclear science to the degree to where to you it's like nothing. And with that in mind, it becomes possible to machine stuff by nuclear means. And that's where my nuclear machining hypothesis originated from.

Danny (109:33)

Okay.

Maxim (109:34)

I started thinking if I could produce isotopes, and you know what isotopes are, right?

Danny (109:43)

Maybe you should give a broad definition of it.

Maxim (109:45)

So every element in nature comes in several varieties. Like take iron. There are several isotopes, it's still iron, but they differ by the count of neutrons, meaning one is slightly heavier or slightly lighter than the other. But any natural element is a mixture of isotopes. And some isotopes are benign in the sense that the only difference between them is just the count of neutrons. But in your body, in my body and every object, you know, there is the same mixture of them. But some isotopes are not benign. They are radioactive. And this is particularly important in the course of nuclear engineering. So you build a power plant, you know, you put nuclear fuel in, and when that fuel decays, it produces a lot of neutrons that activate, meaning make new isotopes. So neutrons are kind of like a catalyst in nuclear science because they are absorbed by all elements differently. And when an element absorbs a neutron, it changes its isotopic composition. So one isotope transforms into another. And a lot of isotopes that are formed by neutron capture are already active, meaning they emit gamma rays, they emit alpha particles, beta particles. And what that emission means, it means an emission of energy and energy at a pretty significant level. So to put things in perspective, like a common type of radioactivity is alpha decay, meaning when an element decays, isotope decays, it emits an alpha particle. And this alpha particle travels pretty much at a speed of light, not quite, but, you know, comparable to the speed of light. So when it hits something, it erodes a material. It hits, basically takes layers away. It's like a miniature projectile. And in the context of nanotechnology, this is known as, you know, nano machining or ion machining. So in fact, a lot of electron microscopes or a lot of, you know, semiconductor fabrication equipment comes with ion beams.

Danny (112:03)

So it's like when you see like in Chernobyl, when the. When the meltdown happened in Chernobyl and they like, tried flying the helicopter over it, the helicopter just like disintegrated.

Maxim (112:14)

Well, I think it's an exaggeration, but in principle that's possible. You know, if you're.

Danny (112:19)

I thought that happened. It was in the show.

Maxim (112:22)

Well, I would doubt it would have, you know, disintegrated just because it was exposed to radiation at the level that Chernobyl could produce it. But in principle, you know, if. If you have like a powerful enough nuclear reactor. Yeah. You know, would just disintegrate, you know, entirely.

Danny (112:38)

Right.

Maxim (112:38)

So I would say, you know, the nuclear science in general is like the next frontier of knowledge because, you know, with it, you can do things that look like magic, you know, you can make things disappear. You can make in a matter out of nothing and you can change, you know, led to gold. You can. I'll give you a more.

Danny (112:56)

You could turn lead to gold.

Maxim (112:57)

Yeah. I mean, that's what in a nuclear science, in theory. Right, right. In Practice? Oh yeah, it's been done. I mean, you don't get a lot.

Danny (113:05)

Of it, unlike a small. Almost.

Maxim (113:06)

Yeah, yeah. Unless you have like a very powerful reactor. But I'll, I'll give you this example, you know, like plutonium 239, which is, you know, weapons grade in a material that's, you know, what, what you put in a plutonium bomb, that's a very valuable metal because unless you have like a critical amount of it to where it will explode, you have like a small amount of it. The unique feature about stays hot all the time in a red hot. So if, if you like go on Internet and you Google a picture of plutonium, you'll get a picture of a glowing like chunk of metal. And that's what, you know, nuclear energy is about. It stays hot all the time, year after year after year, you know, decade after decade. Yeah, like that. Until it decays completely. It's just so full of nuclear energy that energy is coming out of it in terms of this alpha particle emission.

Danny (114:08)

Right.

Maxim (114:09)

And how long does it stay like that? Years, decades.

Danny (114:13)

And, and this is one of the problems, this is one of the major problems with nuclear power plants. Right. Well, this is what they say that you have to like bury the nuclear material.

Maxim (114:21)

I will get to it. But okay, what, what is unique about plutonium, so sorry, 238. Yeah. Mixed up with 239 is you send a satellite to space, let's say Voyager, right. It's too far to where solar panels aren't going to be any good. So how do, you know, energize it? Well, you put a chunk of that in it and it stays hot and you surround it with thermoelectric elements and you generate power.

Danny (114:49)

Oh, wow. Okay.

Maxim (114:50)

And that's why it's, it's super useful, you know, super safe. You know. This particular one, plutonium 238.

Danny (114:56)

Yeah.

Maxim (114:57)

And in Russia it's been used a lot, you know, to power polar stations and, you know, things of that nature. And that's what the magic about it is. Like a perpetual battery, you know, that chunk is going to produce you in a kilowatts of energy, like day after day after day, you know, year after year after year for, you know, 10, 50 years and more. And you know, you, how hard is it to create.

Danny (115:23)

Or to get? Do you, can you make this or does this have to come. How does it work? I don't understand how you make it.

Maxim (115:29)

In a nuclear power plant. Yeah.

Danny (115:31)

So you make plutonium 238 in a power?

Maxim (115:33)

Yes.

Danny (115:33)

Okay.

Maxim (115:34)

Yeah, you breathe it.

Danny (115:35)

Okay.

Maxim (115:37)

And I forgot where I was going with this. Oh. So. So, you know, to me this looks like magic. You know, this is like the ultimate, like, magical artifact. You have a chunk of, of plutonium that constantly glows. Yeah, but by the same token, like in my research, I use polonium210, which is similar.

Danny (115:54)

Plutonium210?

Maxim (115:55)

No, polonium. Polonium.

Danny (115:56)

Okay.

Maxim (115:57)

Which is similar to plutonium. But the difference is polonium decays slowly compared to polonium. It kind of sounds the same. Plutonium. Polonium. Right. So plutonium decays slowly compared to polonium. So polonium takes like half life, meaning half of it is gone like within like 238 days. Okay. Whereas for plutonium, it's. It's years. So this means if you have a sizable amount of polonium, the rate at which it emits energy is like million times more.

Danny (116:35)

Than plutonium. Yes, but it just decays way faster.

Maxim (116:39)

Yes.

Danny (116:39)

Okay.

Maxim (116:40)

And that's, you know, so you compress time. Right. So it gives off, you know, this nuclear energy at a rate and that's million times faster.

Danny (116:46)

Yes.

Maxim (116:46)

So it decays faster. Right. Meaning if you had microscopic, not macroscopic, macroscopic tangible quantity of polonium, you'd be able to like produce a ton of these alpha particles that if you could direct them somewhere, they would just, you know, make holes, remove material, you know, shave off material, basically obliterate.

Danny (117:10)

Destroy.

Maxim (117:11)

Yeah, destroy. Yes. And I'm thinking if you are an advanced civilization and surely you mastered nuclear power, and surely, you know, you can produce any isotope you want, and surely you can produce isotopes that, you know, let's say emit alpha particles for the sake of machining, because you, then you have non contact machining, you don't have any cutters or bores. Right. You have just this material and it will remove, you know, layers that you want to remove just by virtue of ablation. And this is not, you know, controversial, not fantastic. You know, we use it in ion beams. You know, we don't necessarily use it, you know, with radioisotopes because we don't know how to direct, you know, this alpha particles, we don't have that, you know, technological. They just emit it in all directions. But it doesn't mean, you know, we can learn, you know, if we, if we wanted to. Right. And also we don't synthesize them in large quantities. One of the reason it's expensive, the other reason is it's regulated. And the third reason is we don't know how to Handle, you know, these materials. And I haven't learned yet, but what.

Danny (118:12)

Was, what was the material that was in the demon core that killed. That was plutonium. Was that plutonium 2?

Maxim (118:19)

I think it was 239, yes.

Danny (118:20)

239, yeah.

Maxim (118:21)

So 238 is benign in the sense that it meets on the alpha particles. It's not going to be useful to make a bomb by itself. Yeah, but 239, you know, you, you collect enough of it, it's just going to explode because you have this runaway chain reaction. But that alpha emission was one idea because it's just one of the particles that can be emitted. The other particle is a beta particle or electron. Basically, when some isotopes decay, they emit either alpha particles, which is helium ions. Another possibility, when isotope decays, it emits beta particles, which is electron, high energy electron. Basically it's a source of electricity. If you had a material like Cobalt 60 or Cobalt 57 and some others are even used commercially for making like tiny nuclear batteries. Let's say you have a heart implant. You're not going to change batteries in a heart implant. Right. You know, you don't want to open your chest to put a battery. What they do, they starting now to make this, you know, tiny nuclear batteries really that are powered by these isotopes that emit beta particles. And it's called beta voltaics.

Danny (119:31)

And they use these now?

Maxim (119:32)

Yes, the, the drawback of this is very low power. So you cannot run your iPhone on beta voltaics. Yet in principle you could, you know, if you master, you know, the nuclear tech to the next level. In principle, you could, if you generated enough of this, you know, isotopes, and it was economical enough because what happens is they constantly produce electricity in terms of this, you know, high energy electrons. Yeah. And not only you can power something, but also, you know, these high energy electrons, they tend to saturate the, the, you know, lattice of the material with electrons. And if you recall solid state physics, we have ions and then we have electrons. And electrons are kind of like a glue that holds the lattice of ions together. So if you add too many electrons into your lattice, you change the elastic properties of your material. So all of a sudden the material that was solid may become unappliable or malleable because you're just oversaturated with electrons. And that's kind of a conjecture, hypothesis with some experimental support, because I don't know if you heard about Hutchinson effect. So there is this crazy inventor in Canada who is known to have played with radio frequency Equipment like radars and radio generators and coils. And in his experiments, he would all of a sudden, spontaneously, either metals would fuse or would crack or metal would fuse. With non metal, it's like almost voodoo. But, you know, I've seen samples myself, so I know it hasn't been cooked. And the best explanation I've heard of it is under certain conditions, you can over saturate a solid state lattice with electrons, and then the plastic properties of the materials change. So what idea I get from it, if you have a nuclear isotope that emits a lot of beta particles out all of electrons, you can put it in contact with the body that you want to machine. And all of a sudden, a body that was hard becomes soft as putty. And then, you know, you can machine it, you know, without too much effort. So it's. It's a different mechanism. So with alpha particles, you ablate. So you shave off layers by virtue of ions impacting and punching holes. But with electrons, you change elastic properties, and that's a transient change.

Danny (122:13)

Oh, this is the Hutches. The Hutcheson effect. So what is it? What's happening here, Steve? I think that's what he's talking about.

Maxim (122:21)

Yeah. It's a block of metal.

Danny (122:22)

It's metal. Whoa. And they're shooting it with. With beta particles or beta.

Maxim (122:28)

Just electromagnetic fields.

Danny (122:29)

Just electromagnetic fields.

Maxim (122:30)

Wow.

Danny (122:34)

Oh, that's wild. A block of iron.

Maxim (122:38)

Yeah. I mean, it's unbelievable. And that's what I'm saying. I think the answer is in nuclear technology.

Danny (122:46)

So you think that they were using this nuclear technology to soften granite?

Maxim (122:51)

I think it's possible. You know, I don't know. I can only speculate into what would happen in the past. But I'm thinking, you know, creatively, you know, as an engineer, what I would do if I wanted to accomplish. And two things come to mind. Yeah. I would use electrons to change the elastic properties of stone, and then I'd be able to machine and mold it. And especially that looks plausible in the context of Peru, where you have this, you know, polygonal masonry. And, you know, when I look at it, it clearly has, you know, superficial evidence of plastic deformation. And that's why I'm very supremely interested in. In going there and taking samples that I can study in my lab and my electron microscope and subject those samples to my nuclear instruments to see if I'll be able to spot signs, you know, markers off.

Danny (123:41)

Yeah. Let me ask you that. So. So what are the number one thing, like, what are the top things that you would look For. For evidence of nuclear radiation.

Maxim (123:53)

Excellent question. Two things. One is obvious, is gamma radiation. You know, what light is. We all know what light is, right? But, you know, from the standpoint of physics, light is like visible. Light is just a chunk of electromagnetic spectrum that we can perceive with our eyes. The other chunk of electromagnetic spectrum is infrared, you know, which we perceive as heat. The other is radio waves, which we do not perceive, but, you know, we can emit, transmit them, you know, receive them using antennas. Another one is ultraviolet, which we, you know, perceive as Santian sunburn. And then there is this invisible radiation. Gamma rays. X rays. Yes. So with our bodies, we cannot sense it, but we can sense it with the.

Danny (124:48)

We know it's there.

Maxim (124:49)

Yeah, when I was there, we can, we can detect it with nuclear detectors. And some of those detectors, you know, I manufacturer myself, and when you have a detector like that, it gives you spectrum, gives you frequencies, and you can tell what are the energies that are emitted. And we're surrounded by a background radiation field, you know, coming from Earth, you know, there's in the air. But if you take a rock and put it next to the detector and the rock would give. Gives off its own spectrum. And that's what geologists do. You know, they collect a rock, they put it in the spectrometer, and they can tell what radioactive elements that rock contains. Because there is a lot of radioactive materials around us. In your body? In my body, everywhere. It's just natural. It's just very small quantity. But you look at it and you say, okay, well, I've got some potassium, 14. I got some uranium, thorium, you know, radon. And that's like one of the things, the first things I looked personally when I, you know, started thinking about it, you know, when I met Ben and then when I met, you know, Matt Bell, I took some of Matt's vessels and I put them in my spectrometers and was capturing spectra to see if I would spot anything unusual.

Danny (126:08)

Okay.

Maxim (126:09)

And initially I thought I did, but then, you know, I talked to some, you know, experts, because any kind of measurement you make there is a learning curve. And it takes a lot of knowledge and experience how to interpret your measurement results. And that's one thing I've learned how to do in general, like across the engineering disciplines, whether it's viscosity of crude oil or nuclear radiation or markers of disease, anything that I worked on, you learn how to measure, you'll learn how to interpret. So when I was starting, I didn't know how to interpret the results. So they looked like there was some, you know, peaks that I thought were unusual. But, you know, later I realized that they were not unusual. They were just, you know, artifacts of the measurement process. But long story short, so I measured some vessels that I borrowed from Matt Bell.

Danny (127:04)

So you measured his.

Maxim (127:06)

Yes.

Danny (127:06)

Granite bases.

Maxim (127:07)

Yes.

Danny (127:07)

Okay.

Maxim (127:08)

And I took like a portable version of my spectrometer to the Petri Museum in London. In London. And I took some measurements there.

Danny (127:16)

They let you do it?

Maxim (127:17)

Yeah. Wow. And I was very excited initially for the findings that I captured, you know, in the Petrie Museum and actually published on my website. You know, the spectra, because the pots seem to emit, excuse me, gamma rays indicative of. Yeah, indicative of lead. And I didn't know at the time that a lead was actually a common element. You see in this. It's actually coal. It's the, excuse me, eye paint Egyptians used.

Danny (127:56)

What is, what is that made out of?

Maxim (127:58)

That's alabaster or travertine.

Danny (128:00)

Okay.

Maxim (128:02)

Actually bought that. Yeah, it's. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's in my collection.

Danny (128:06)

Now this modern is a modern.

Maxim (128:07)

No, that's genuine.

Danny (128:10)

It's what?

Maxim (128:10)

It's genuine ancient Egyptian. Yeah.

Danny (128:13)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (128:14)

Yeah, I'll talk about that in a moment too.

Danny (128:16)

It's so tiny.

Maxim (128:17)

A lot of these are tiny. So basically that's kind of the first step. You look at the, you know, gamma. And I looked and I didn't find anything. And recently I bought a much more expensive and state of the art instruments for gamma detection, which was like a godsend. Usually I buy on ebay and for years I've been watching it. It was never like a good detector. It was always, I mean, a 30 year old junk. And finally there was a modern detector, so I bought it. So that was a gift from God, which is very accurate, you know, very like the best thing. So I took some measurements and you know, I didn't see anything on the parts. But it doesn't mean, you know, I will not find anything on, you know, other samples. So I'm very interested in taking the detector, let's say to Peru or actually to Egypt and see what I will detect on site. Because if pots weren't, you know, made, you know, using nuclear technology, doesn't mean some other, you know, stones.

Danny (129:20)

So if these parts were made 5,000 years ago using nuclear technology, you would still see the isotopes on here with this detector?

Maxim (129:29)

Yes. So one thing you would see is, I said the gamma spectrum. And the other thing you would see the change in isotopic composition. That's the other Marker. So basically you take a tiny sample of stone from ah. And you run it through another instrument and you would see how the isotopic ratios changed.

Danny (129:47)

So. Right. So if it was softened and shaped from nuclear.

Maxim (129:51)

Right.

Danny (129:51)

It would change the composition.

Maxim (129:53)

I would expect it to change it isotopic composition, not maybe so much the elemental composition, although it might change elemental composition as well, but the change would be small.

Danny (130:02)

And did you take two samples? Like one vase of red granite and another chunk of red granite that was not touched.

Maxim (130:07)

And, and that's what you have to do. You know, I haven't done that.

Danny (130:10)

You haven't done that yet?

Maxim (130:10)

No, I haven't done it.

Danny (130:11)

Okay.

Maxim (130:12)

I would like to do something like that but you know, with samples, let's say from the polygonal masonry in Peru. And that's what actually asked Ben if he would collect some, some material for me for analysis because, you know, he's there right now. But you know, I don't believe that the stone vases were worked with any magical technology anymore. And we can talk about that. But I do believe that we need to study the megalith and particularly the ones that exhibit the plastic deformations.

Danny (130:43)

Well, what about like, like that giant 1000 ton obelisk that was never finished. There's giant scoop marks out of it.

Maxim (130:51)

Well, I'd like to study samples of that.

Danny (130:53)

Yeah.

Maxim (130:54)

So.

Danny (130:54)

And there's scoop marks everywhere.

Maxim (130:56)

Yeah, yeah. And that's what, what makes it interesting to me because, you know, I don't believe in the diorite in a pounder because it goes against, you know, my belief that people aren't stupid. Right. So when I hear this theory that sounds stupid, that somebody, you know, with a pounding block was pounding there, I don't, I don't believe any civilization was up for doing stupid work. Okay, maybe it was done with direct power and founders, but not the way it is described. You see what I mean? So I genuinely believe in human ingenuity and inventiveness to where nobody remember the I robot movie.

Danny (131:33)

Yeah.

Maxim (131:34)

When you know, Will Smith was talking to this lady and they were standing in front of the army of robots and he asked her, you know, how would you find out the guy we're looking for? She says, well, we got to interrogate all of them, you know, cross reference the responses. How long will it take? A couple of years. He said, you get started. Yeah. And he shot, you know, the gun and the robot moved and that's how he knew. That's a classic example of human ingenuity. We don't do stupid work. You know, we're lazy, you know, we need too much food. If you have an army of guys with diorite pounders, you gotta feed them, you know, where are you gonna find food to feed them? You know, they're not gonna find food themselves and without food they're going to die. So it's going to be expensive. So. But, but you're right, you know, that's the kind of sample I need to study. And that's why I kind of excited about the idea of going to Egypt and taking my instruments there and making some in situ measurements. Because if there are any trace of radioactivity, I'll be able to pick it up.

Danny (132:35)

Yeah. What are these two vases that you brought?

Maxim (132:38)

Okay, well, I don't know if you want to talk about the vase project or not, but I pretty much close the book on it. I think I know how they were made and I can tell you.

Danny (132:49)

You think you know how the vases were made? Yes, all of the vases like these ones.

Maxim (132:56)

I know how two classes of vases have been made and I have a pretty solid judgment about which vases are genuine and which are fake. Okay, so we can go into that rabbit hole.

Danny (133:08)

Yeah, yeah, let's do that. I have a couple questions though before we do that about the nuclear stuff. One, are you aware of the, the nuclear isotopes that were discovered I think on Mars? There was a nuclear, a specific isotope on Mars that was discovered that matched something they found find only in on sites on Earth where we've done nuclear tests with the atom bombs and. Xenon? Yes, that's what it's Xenon 129 or something like that.

Maxim (133:45)

Yes, it's actually a very interesting story and I'm glad you reminded me of it because there is some, some other thing I wanted to tell you about isotopes which I think is more interesting than anything else. But it's exactly, you know, the marker we're looking for in terms of showing that a man made nuclear reaction took place as opposed to natural. There is a list of isotopes known as technogenic isotopes. They are not found in nature for two reasons. Either they're like too weird or they're too short lived. Meaning if they are produced naturally would have decayed and to the point you will not observe them.

Danny (134:28)

Right.

Maxim (134:29)

So what was found on Mars, you know, fits this, you know, technogenic hypothesis because it's an unusual isotope and it's, I think it's fairly short lived one. So it's definitely interesting Case, you know, I cannot comment more on it because I didn't study it closely, but it really, you know, caught my attention and that's, you know, what I'm looking for in this, you know, Egyptian samples or any kind of samples from the man made artifacts that I would like to study. I'd like to find similar traces because if I find something like that, it's pretty much a smoking gun.

Danny (135:05)

So xenon, what do you know about xenon? Is that, is that only a manufactured. Does that, can that happen natural?

Maxim (135:12)

Well, xenon is present naturally in atmosphere. It's like a trace amount.

Danny (135:16)

Stephen, find the exact isotope, the xenon and the number that goes after it, that was found, discovered in nuclear, under nuclear explosion sites, and that was also found on Mars.

Maxim (135:28)

Yeah, but that particular xenon is a known product of fission. So when you have nuclear fission, which happens in nuclear reactors or, you know, during an atomic bomb explosion, you get this particular xenon isotope produced.

Danny (135:40)

Yes.

Maxim (135:41)

In like unnatural quantities.

Danny (135:44)

Okay.

Maxim (135:44)

And that's how we can tell that a nuclear explosion took place. Now in the case of Mars, we don't know what other processes might produce it. So therefore, you know, we cannot say definitely it's, it's been a nuclear explosion. What we can say it's consistent with nuclear explosion. But, you know, we don't know enough about physics of Mars to rule out other possibilities. But, you know, I'm not an expert, so I cannot.

Danny (136:12)

Stephen, scroll up. What'd you search for? Let me, let me see what you typed in. Xenon isotope found in nuclear explosions. Okay. Type in Mars after that, see what.

Maxim (136:20)

It comes up with.

Danny (136:23)

I'm curious. Yeah. Mars M A R S.

Maxim (136:28)

It just.

Danny (136:29)

Didn'T show the marker. There you go. The isotope xenon. Okay. Xenon 129 is found in higher abundance on Mars than on Earth. And this excess is cited as evidence of past nuclear explosions on the planet. That's insane. Proponents of this theory suggest that the Martian atmospheres, xenon and krypton isotopic ratios are similar to a mixture of Earth's natural xenon and xenon produced by human made nuclear testing. Yeah, this is what, this is what compels all the theories of like an ancient nuclear catastrophe on Mars.

Maxim (137:03)

Right.

Danny (137:03)

And the theory that we could have come from Mars like human beings, we could have terraformed this planet and turned it into something that was habitable by creating the moon and the tides and the, all that stuff to make it, to make this a, that, this, this Planet was basically the target of whoever came from Mars is like a breakaway civilization and we evolved.

Maxim (137:25)

Yeah, I mean, there are plenty of signs pointing to that. And you know, don't get me started on.

Danny (137:30)

I heard, I heard a Harvard astrophysicist talking about this yesterday. Like. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it's. It seems like it's becoming more mainstream.

Maxim (137:37)

Well, I think we ought to discuss ideas and we ought to look for evidence. And when you find evidence for an idea, like in this case, it becomes more interesting. But then you got to consider alternatives because the way we pass judgments in science is not dissimilar to the court of law. So you have parties that are arguing, did he kill this person, did he not? Right. So each party presents their theory and at the end of the day it needs to be beyond reasonable doubt, which means that we considered alternatives and we ruled them out. So it's never good to say he killed it because we found the gun. It's not enough. Because there could be other explanations. Sure.

Danny (138:15)

Otherwise it's just a religion.

Maxim (138:16)

Right. And you know, with this situations, we got to look at the alternatives and. But what I really wanted to mention, nearly forgot to, is in the case of nuclear isotopes, something else becomes possible. You know how these blocks were moved? Because that's, it's a big question. We have these multi ton blocks. How the hell were they moved 500 miles from Aswan Quarry, you know, all the way to Giza Plateau. Right. And the thing is, you know that Earth is not just, you know, a planet, it's a planet that has an electric field. You know, we have thunderstorms. Right. You know, Tesla was all about electricity. It's not controversial at all that we live in a planet that produces a pretty strong electric field, meaning the surface of the planet we stand on is negatively charged. Normally. Normally. And the ionosphere is positively charged. And we live in this, you know, pretty strong electric field that discharges itself, you know, during thunderstorms. We all know that. What we underappreciate is that we can put this electric field to good work. And in fact, there are species of spiders on this planet that can sense the electric field. And when they detect, because it fluctuates during the day, but when it's at the strongest, they can sense it. And then, then they deploy the piece of spiderweb that is negatively charged. And then negative charges repulse each other. So the charge of the ground, which is negative, pushes on the charge that the spider deploys, which is also negative. And then the Spider floats, levitates, literally. And the way they discovered is that spiders were found on ships, like oceanic ships, like thousands and thousands of miles away. And it was baffling scientists how these spiders end up there. So they collected a bunch of them and they put them in a tin can, basically with electric fields applied. And when they started raising the strengths of the field, at some point, spiders behavior changed. They sensed that the field was strong enough, so they started deploying the spider webs. And when the field was strong enough, they started floating. And then when they killed the field, the spiders basically fell to the floor. Wow. Yeah. This is fairly recent discovery. It's not controversial. It is very well known. Yeah, these are the spiders. Exactly. Yep. So you see, nature takes advantage of the fact that the Earth is electrically charged. And these clever spiders, they use it to float, defeating the gravity, but not in a fantastic way, just relying on electrostatic. So once I started thinking about isotopes, about the first thing that crossed my mind. You know, you take these beta emitters and what they do, they emit copies amount of negative charge. So if you produce these isotopes and let's say you put them on a craft, you know, the craft would float in Earth's, you know, gravity, just because the static charge on the craft is pushing against the static charge of the Earth. And you get this, you know, repulsion of coulomb charges, and the craft would levitate. You know, granted, you'll need to replenish the charge. So either you have a generator, we have this radioactive isotope that's continually emitting beta particles. And then it becomes possible, you know, to. To apply this isotope, let's say, to a stone you wish to transport, and all of a sudden, you know, the stone would lose its weight. But not, you know, because of. Of some magic or whatnot, but because this isotope decays and charges the stone to an immense, you know, negative charge to where the field of the earth, you know, pushes it up, you know, the electric field of the same as in the case of the spider. Except in the case of the spider, you don't need nuclear science because spider weighs, you know, next to nothing. Right. But, you know, a huge, giant stone block would require a substantial charge. And you can develop that charge by, you know, coating, let's say, the block with this, you know, nuclear isotope that's producing beta particles and is producing them as it decays. So at some point it will wear off on the stone, you know, would settle.

Danny (142:44)

So you could. But how would you move it?

Maxim (142:47)

I mean, you just push on it.

Danny (142:48)

So you could hover it and just push it.

Maxim (142:50)

Right. Basically. Kind of like a ship. You know, a ship weighs who knows how many times, and it's not that difficult, you know, to push it off the dock. So I think it's the same idea. Interesting. And maybe, you know, the side effect was that the stones were, you know, turning softer in the process just because the crystalline lattice was overwhelmed. But I think if we're fantasizing about some advanced civilization conducting megalithic construction, I think that's how they would do it because it's entirely within the realm of possible. And the spiders show us how it's done. But even there are some places on Earth, like Gobi Desert, where the field electric field is so strong naturally that if you go there, the hair will stand on your head. Gobi, it's in Mongolia. Okay. It's China Mongol. I think it's spelled G O B Y O G B, G O B I. And there are videos that people post when they go there. The field is so strong, you know, your hair stands and you hear crackling and. And there is a danger that you're going to be struck by lightning.

Danny (143:57)

Oh, really?

Maxim (143:58)

Yes, because, you know, the field is so strong. Wow.

Danny (144:01)

Is it like super high altitude?

Maxim (144:03)

No, I don't know about the altitude, but, you know, it's known phenomenon and it's, you know, considered Hell's Heather, because, you know, of. Of the discharge that. That might materialize and you don't get hit by. By lightning. But that's what also happens, you know, during a thunder storm. Right. So you have discharges that discharge naturally. And in fact, in a part of the reason why, you know, why clouds hang in the air is the droplets are statically charged, so they're floating in the Earth's electric field. You know, this entire cloud, right, is pushed up by the electric field of the Earth. And the reason we have rain is because, you know, these charges, they cancel each other and all of a sudden cloud, you know, drops, right, and. And basically becomes rain. So this is all like part of, you know, natural processes that we're aware of, but we're not, you know, using them for engineering for whatever reason. And that's something I'm very excited to. To use for engineering purposes because all of a sudden there is an idea of how you make, you know, things float like in Star wars, except, you know, you don't use magic or how.

Danny (145:12)

Did you go about testing something like this?

Maxim (145:15)

Actually, there is a way. And funny enough, in my. In the course of my nuclear research, you Know, one of the offshoots of my reactor development, I worked with oil. I think I mentioned.

Danny (145:27)

Yeah.

Maxim (145:28)

That my reactor is filled with. Is with mineral oil. And when you run that oil through dielectric tubes, like Teflon, you have friction of one dielectric against the other one. And that's a principle of Montegraaf generator, where a belt rubs against a roller and the charges separate and you have, like, massive charge build up. And when I. That, that wasn't my plan, but, you know, when I, for the first time, I powered my reactor and I needed to filter the oil, and the oil went through the filter and through these tubes, so much charge was developed that, you know, the surface of oil inside my reactor curved like a, Like a moon crescent. It wasn't flat anymore. It was like very, very concave because oil was cleaning to the sides of the metal vessel because there was so much charge in the oil.

Danny (146:22)

Wow.

Maxim (146:22)

And on some of my fittings, so some of my pipes were metal and some of my pipes were just regular hydraulic lines, which are, you know, rubber. And there was so much potential build up over them that, you know, a spark was jumping on the outside surface. And I couldn't figure this out. So I'm pumping and I see this, you know, crackling and flashes of light like, what the hell is going on? And then I realized, oh, shit, you know, I'm developing this super strong, you know, electric elastrostatic charges just by pushing oil, you know, through a geoelectric medium. And I thought, you know, I could use it, you know, to charge something, you know, like I just described, and see if I can defeat the gravity just by compensating it with electrostatic repulsion. And that's on my to do list to try, you know, later this year or maybe, you know, sometime next year, because it's an easy thing to do, you know, if you know how to push oil right through, you know, through plastic tubes, basically.

Danny (147:20)

Wow.

Maxim (147:20)

So. So yeah, maybe I'll be able to get levitation to work if I don't get infusion to work. But, you know, that's one of the things that interest me. And, and this somehow all, you know, meshes within with ancient history because one thing kind of excites the thinking in the other direction. And you start thinking, well, how they could have moved stone. And then you realize, oh, they could have used, you know, static electricity we all know about. We just don't utilize it. And that's another thing I wanted to mention. Kind of human engineering approaches static electricity as Nuisance. So we work to get rid of it. And instead we rely on this AC instead, which is alternating currents with no static charges. But if we changed our thinking and stop treating static electricity as nuisance, we could actually, you know, build levitation off it. And we could build like tractor beams and who knows what. Because electric force is so strong. Because when you think of it, what makes us able to detect Voyager spacecraft that is billion of miles away? It's the motion of electrons on a tiny antenna back and forth. So we have a handful of electrons billion miles away that move back and forth and we're able to sense their motion here on Earth just because the force is so strong. We're so strongly connected by terms of, you know, electric fields. If we just, you know, allowed our thinking to shift from alternating currents, you know, towards static charges and not try to compensate for them. Because there are like anecdotes when you say, I have a factory that makes a polyethylene wrap. So you have like a giant roller on that wrap. And. And when you unroll polyethylene, you have charge separation. And static electricity is so strong that if you don't do the like antistatic measures, the birds would be sucked into the roller cats, you know, rats, you know, people, because, you know, the charges are so strong, because, you know, you spin it fast. So, so we know capabilities there. We just work to get rid of it as opposed to harness. And that's kind of what I'm proposing. And I think it might be easier, you know, if you master nuclear science better because then you can produce static charges on demand. You know, there is a lot of conspiracy that, you know, government might already have it because, you know, we have this in the UFOs and unexplained crafts. So some people would say, oh, because, you know, government have this black ops and you know, secrets gun work projects. And they've figured this out. And initially it sounds like. But then when you realize, oh, you know, maybe they mastered nuclear technology and not telling us about it, maybe they're able to generate static charges. And maybe, you know, the next generation crafts that we interpret as UFOs are really, you know, built on that technology is able to generate, you know, electricity on the fly. And you know, that that compensates for its gravity. So you have to a fly, a craft that's hoovering or flying, not because it has engines that are working, you know, to move air or, you know, jet engines. Yeah. But because it's producing electricity that's compensating, you know, basically Acting against the charge of the earth and balancing the craft in that way. So I think it's a very, you know, fruitful idea for research. And in fact, it's particularly easier to.

Danny (150:53)

Someone will pay you a visit if you get too far down that rabbit hole.

Maxim (150:55)

Yeah, well, I think it's even easier to implement if you have like a tunnel, because in a tunnel you can actually control a field and you can boost earth's field and you can have object in a levitate through tunnel because you can control the strengths of the field.

Danny (151:10)

Right.

Maxim (151:12)

Well, it's wild. A whole subject. Yes.

Danny (151:15)

All right, let's go. Let's go to these bases. You figured out how they're made?

Maxim (151:18)

Let's figure. I think so, yeah. And unfortunately for the ancient tech, I think the explanation is trivial. But let me show you a few. Actually, I brought a few, you know. This is Matt's vase, by the way, which is very representative from. From the vases that I studied, you know, personally at the Petrie Museum. And in Matt's collection is this one.

Danny (151:45)

Have you measured this one?

Maxim (151:46)

Yes.

Danny (151:47)

How precise is this one?

Maxim (151:48)

It's consistent with manual precision.

Danny (151:51)

It just looks like it was made with clay, like someone pinched it. Yes, especially these little. Whatever these little handles are.

Maxim (151:59)

I would say it's made by grinding. And I'll. I'll show you another one. You know, this one I bought. So this is mine. And this is also like finely made.

Danny (152:09)

Where'd you buy it?

Maxim (152:10)

This one I bought on ebay, believe it or not. And I was able to run some tests on it to show that it's genuine and I'll talk about it to.

Danny (152:17)

Show that it's genuine. Where, where is it allegedly from?

Maxim (152:21)

Egypt, of course.

Danny (152:22)

From underneath the.

Maxim (152:23)

The. I don't know where it was found. It's got like a provenance that lists the gallery that sold it, but. Okay, I ran some tests. I know this is pretty dynastic. This is an example from a private collector. His name is Jordan Morris. He lives in Australia. He. He had. He bought like seven or eight of these and he sent a few of them to me to study. I think this is limestone. This is also pre dynastics. I was able to determine that. And this is very finely made and crazy. Of course you've seen this one, right? Mitchell's also bought. And I'll show you two more. So one is modern and one is ancient. And I'm pretty sure you'll be able.

Danny (153:11)

To tell which one is modern and one is ancient.

Maxim (153:13)

Ancient, yeah. And both are alabaster which is not really alabaster. It's. It's called alabaster, but it's travertine or calcite.

Danny (153:21)

This one's ancient.

Maxim (153:22)

Yes. Because it's better made. Right.

Danny (153:24)

I picked out the one that looked more perfect.

Maxim (153:26)

Yeah. And the other one is more.

Danny (153:29)

You can feel the outside of this, how it's kind of crude.

Maxim (153:32)

Yeah. And of course, you know, this is like 20 bucks. So in Egypt, it costs even less than that. But there is an industry where they make alabaster vases using the same ancient technique, you know, they used for thousands of years. And they make in the tourist vases. And some are better, some are worse, but I bought a real cheap one, you know, just to get the quality.

Danny (153:55)

Yeah.

Maxim (153:57)

But long story short, I would ask Steve to. To pull up a few pictures, if you wouldn't mind. Is it that slideshow? Yes, if you wouldn't mind. So, you know, I was really inspired by this whole innovation talk to really dive deep into it because, I don't know, it's just something about it really ignited my interest because I like math, and to me, it's a mathematical problem. You know, you can answer the question of how this were made by looking at the mathematical properties of the 3D scans. And I was fortunate that, you know, Matt Bell agreed to work with me, and he shared in a bunch of CT scans of his vessels, you know, with me that I was able to study and develop a metrological technique, basically. Basically a mathematical algorithm that. That can tell me what's happening as far as how this vase was made. And the first thing I've done, I've determined, or rather defined a quality metric is when you look at a vessel, let's say, you know, this modern vessel, or let's say this ancient vessel, you know, how can you characterize it? And the typical metric that we use when we machine is tolerance. Right. And we say that something is machined to a certain tolerance. And I think it's not a particularly useful thing for archaeological objects because we don't know what the blueprint for it was. Right. So was it precisely made? Not precisely made. It's impossible to tell unless you have a blueprint. So what I did instead, I developed a quality metric, which is a combination of concentricity and circularity, which is by slicing the 3D model of a vessel, if it's like rotational symmetric, you get more or less circles.

Danny (155:49)

Yeah.

Maxim (155:50)

And how circular those slices are, that's your circularity. Right. How well aligned they are. You know, that's a concentricity and what I've done, I've scanned like almost 200 vessels, about 60 or 70 modern ones, you know, like this one, like this granite vase, you know, which is run of the mill, you know, from China, for 40 bucks. Made out of solid granite.

Danny (156:14)

How is that made?

Maxim (156:16)

Turned on a lathe. But not using like a metal cut or using diamond coated wheel.

Danny (156:22)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (156:23)

So for cutters they use diamond coated wheels. Okay. And this one was turned on a lathe because this is like calcite. This is, this is called like Pakistani onyx. But it's, it's really, you know, not onyx, it's calcite. It just looks like onyx. But this was turned on a lace using metal cutter. And this was turned in using a diamond wheels. So I scanned about a hundred of modern objects, you know, some like this, some like this. Right. Some handmade. So I bought like 30 handmade objects just to get a sample.

Danny (156:57)

So this was done on a computerized CNC type deal. Okay.

Maxim (157:01)

This was done manually on a lathe, but, you know, manually without cnc. This was cnc. This was, you know, manual lathe work.

Danny (157:09)

Got it.

Maxim (157:09)

And this is like an entirely manual production.

Danny (157:12)

Okay.

Maxim (157:14)

And I've built a chart. So let me see. Let's scroll down. Oh, you. Okay, There is a chart there, I think slide number 13.

Danny (157:28)

There you go.

Maxim (157:28)

Yeah, I think that's a pretty telling chart. So what you see here is three types of objects. Yellow, blue and red. And yellow are all of the modern objects, you know, these vases that are made on CNC or on lathe. Red are all of the. In a manual, you know, this, that I bought from Egypt or made by other artists by hand. So I know for a fact, you know, the thread triangles are made by hand.

Danny (157:59)

Okay.

Maxim (158:00)

And the blue ones are all of the objects I measured in the Petri Museum. And what we see that the blue, blue squares are entirely, you know, the same distribution as the red triangles.

Danny (158:16)

Yeah.

Maxim (158:17)

And completely is not matching at all the distribution of yellow dots. So what it tells me, you know, without any doubt is that the, you know, machine made quality is clearly distinguishable from a handmade quality in terms of, you know, concentration and circularity when you represent it this way. So this chart is basically is able to expose or tell apart machine work from in a manual work.

Danny (158:47)

Right.

Maxim (158:48)

Because on a machine your circularity is. Concentricity is far greater. And that's why, you know, your yellow points are grouped, you know, towards the lower corner.

Danny (158:58)

Okay.

Maxim (158:58)

So it tells you it's higher quality and none of the. In a Petri museum objects is, you know, nearly is remotely in that area.

Danny (159:06)

Okay.

Maxim (159:08)

Which if we go down, you know, one slide there is a. Another interesting observation. It's slide 14. Yeah, good. So this is a map of how the outer surface was ground or made, you know, versus the inner surface.

Danny (159:26)

Okay.

Maxim (159:27)

And once again, the yellow area is the, you know, machine made objects made on a lathe. The red are, you know, the manual objects that are made by, you know, Egyptians and other artists by hand by just grinding and turning it longer. And the blue one is the Petri. And you can see that the blue is, you know, separate from everything else and without, you know, going into too much detail. What, you know, the left chart, I think it's for the outer surface and the right one is for the inner surface. Yeah, that's how they're grouped. Is telling us that the, in the case of the outer surface, the object was turned. So when they were. So take this pretty nasty object. So when they were making the outer surface, they were turning this object and they were grinding it against a grinding block. And that's what, you know, this first chart is telling us because the circularity is poor, but concentricity is okay. And that's what you get when you turn an object because the entire object is on the same axis. It's turning as a whole.

Danny (160:30)

Right.

Maxim (160:31)

So good concentricity, but poor circularity because it's rubbing against, you know, a rubbing stone that's just set next to it. And it's not like a particularly precise, you know, setup. And that's what you get. The situation is more interesting with the inner surface because we see very good circularity and poor concentricity, which is consistent with grinding using a grinding bit, because grinding bit, you know, turns on the axis, you know, pretty regularly, will give you a very nice circle. But as you move the bit, because it's manually positioned, every time it repositions and you lose this.

Danny (161:07)

Yeah.

Maxim (161:08)

Initial alignment. So therefore, you know, from, from these charts, the inescapable conclusion is that the outer surface is shaped by turning the rock or the object itself against the grinding block. Whereas the inner object is. Surface is shaped by turning the grinder, you know, against, you know, the surface of the object. So then I took the mets vessels and I, you know, random, you know, through this chart.

Danny (161:38)

Okay.

Maxim (161:39)

And you can see they broadly group into two categories. You know, one category is at the bottom left corner that is, you know, 100, you know, consistent with modern machining, there is no difference. Whereas the rest of the Object, you know, is, you know, pretty much consistent with manual labor or with what I found at the Petri.

Danny (162:00)

These are all Mats vessels?

Maxim (162:01)

Yes. Yeah, those then. Those that I was given.

Danny (162:07)

Now, what is the pre dynastic, the blue. What is that category?

Maxim (162:11)

That's the, you know, Petrie Museum objects. That's how I classify that type of stonework. Okay. I call it predynastic because that's where it's originated.

Danny (162:19)

But Mats are also pre dynastic, Right.

Maxim (162:21)

Majority of his majority. Right. So I'm able to. So by applying, you know, this metrological technique that I developed, I'm able to testify that the vast majority of his objects are genuine because they align with the predynastic quality.

Danny (162:33)

Okay.

Maxim (162:33)

However, unfortunately for, you know, the proponents or advocates of the ancient machining hypothesis, I also submit and submit on the basis of. Of my findings that the most precise objects from his collections and for that matter from the other collections I was able to look at are entirely consistent with modern machining. So I believe that those aren't genuine objects. I believe that those are made in modern times, meaning, interesting, lasting 100, 200 years.

Danny (163:02)

Okay.

Maxim (163:03)

Because, you know, when I look at them, you know, they group.

Danny (163:05)

The bottom left.

Maxim (163:06)

Yeah, the bottom left. The group exactly separately, you know, they group exactly as modern objects are and they're not at all consistent, you know, with the rest of the vases in the study.

Danny (163:16)

Okay.

Maxim (163:17)

And, you know, granted, I haven't scanned every single, you know, object in a museum, right. So I cannot, yeah. Say, you know, I've looked at every single one. Right.

Danny (163:26)

How many roughly, did you. Did you look at?

Maxim (163:27)

I scanned 20 museum objects and I looked at overall, like nearly 100 objects in private collections.

Danny (163:35)

Okay.

Maxim (163:35)

In a majority for math collection, but a good deal from, you know, Jordan Morris's collection. And okay, another gentleman I met on, on the Internet also sent me his collection, which I also scanned.

Danny (163:45)

Okay.

Maxim (163:46)

Yeah. And every time the objects, you know, fall into two categories, if there is like, nothing in between, it's either like the bottom left corner where it's like modern machining, or it's, you know, this general, you know, cloud that coincides with both manual made or, you know, pre dynastic quality. And I think the conclusion is inescapable. The finely made objects, they, you know, they are on provenance. So we don't know where they came from. Right. They're alleged to be of the bottom left. We don't know of ancient Egyptian origin, but, you know, we don't know. We don't know where they were found. And when they look like modern, I think the arm warden is basically when it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's, you know, ought to be a duck.

Danny (164:29)

So I now do those ones on the bottom left that are perfectly machined, do those have these little handles that are built into them?

Maxim (164:36)

Yes. Okay. And you know, to me this situation is not surprising because, you know, Egyptian antiquities is the most forged artifact in history. Right. It's been known for hundreds of years. And even, you know, to this day, you know, the subject of authenticity is the most one widely discussed because the most recent example is, I think Barcelona Museum. They purchased a bunch of their Egyptian antiquities on open markets and they've been criticized by, you know, basically buying figs because Egyptologists know that a lot of, you know, high profile purchases end up being fake in terms of Egyptian antiquities. And there are in a particular antiquities dealers that are more notoriously for selling fakes to museums like British Museum or in a Berlin museum. And later, you know, those cases are exposed. But there is also an argument that museums serve the purpose of entertainment. You know, not all museums conduct research. Some are just, you know, to drive tourists, you know, to sell tickets. So therefore they exhibit objects of interest, whether genuine or not. And for that matter, a good example is a crystal skull at the British Museum. You know, the crystal skull history. So that particular skull was shown to be in a modern reproduction because traces of the diamond wheel were found on its surface when it was looked examined through electron microscope. But they decided to keep, you know, the object in the exhibit and use it as an opportunity to educate the public about the forgery, you know. Sure. Sales tickets here is a very, you know, popular item. We didn't know how it was made, you know, until we looked at the electron microscope and we know the, you know, traces. So therefore I don't think it's surprising and I think it's expected. Besides, you know, forgery for the sake of forgery, there is also forgery for the sake of imitation. For example, royal families in Europe, you know, they wanted to have in Egyptian antiquities and they had, you know, their workshops make stuff for them that look Egyptian. You know, like Russian czar family had a Faberge workshop that made nice cities for the royal family. You know, whatever prince or princess wanted, you know, they made. So it's not, not a stretch that, you know, they made, you know, some artifacts that, you know, were imitating, you know, ancient Egyptian.

Danny (167:05)

Sure.

Maxim (167:05)

Objects just for the sake of entertainment, for the, you know, royalty and ability because interest was there. So that's kind of my conclusion about the story of the vases, I do believe.

Danny (167:17)

So you believe all of these super precise vases that were measured in CT scans and light scans that show to be like within the deviation of 1,1000th of an inch or the deviation of like less than the width of a human hair. Those were created on modern CNC machines and they were not ancient.

Maxim (167:37)

Not. Not necessarily cnc, but on modern machines they weren't.

Danny (167:40)

Those things aren't. Aren't ancient.

Maxim (167:41)

Yeah, I don't believe that those things are.

Danny (167:43)

Even though they're so thin, like they're.

Maxim (167:45)

So the interesting thing is when I was looking into the topic of manufacturing of this in a granite vases, so I contacted, contacted Chinese manufacturers and they just drowned me with proposals on what they can make. And they've sent me so many videos that blew my mind. Which reminded me a story when I think Steve Jobs wanted to make an iPhone. He went to American manufacturers and they said, well, let us think about it. And then he went to Chinese manufacturers and the next day they brought him samples. So it was a very similar, you know, that story. No, it was a sample of a screen. He wanted a sample of a screen and he couldn't get one from American manufacturers, but by Chinese brought him samples the next day.

Danny (168:27)

Wow.

Maxim (168:28)

Yeah. So similar situation exists for the granite manufacturing. It's actually very developed because evidently there is demand for various granite vessels that are culturally specific, like rice pots and like pots for spices and whatnot. They sent me like a bunch of pictures of what they make currently, like for their customers. And they showed me videos of their various, like CNC implements where the machine in this vessels and vases.

Danny (168:57)

Yeah.

Maxim (168:58)

And I bought this one and this is a reject because it has chips and nicks in it and it seems to be like more precise than, you.

Danny (169:04)

Know, than all of them.

Maxim (169:07)

Yeah, basically. And it's run of the mill, you know, it's nothing special. It's basically a flower vase for some.

Danny (169:14)

That's a straight tube, right? Straight down.

Maxim (169:16)

Yeah. They can make inner cavities hollow to the spectrum because they use. They use diamond saws for it. Yeah, yeah. So I'm even, you know, considering, you know, commissioning them, you know, a replica of the Egyptian vase. You know, just.

Danny (169:32)

Yeah, we should do that. We should get them to create a granite one.

Maxim (169:35)

Yeah, maybe. Maybe I should because they basically asked me to send them a drawing and then they will. They already gave me a quote. I think they wanted like 500 bucks to make one. Okay, so maybe.

Danny (169:46)

Well, we have all those scans, right. Even we had Carly and Adam Young in here a couple weeks ago, and they were showing me all those. All those scanned measurements they have of those vases.

Maxim (169:54)

So all we need to do is send them, you know, a CAD drawing and they'll. They'll make a bunch.

Danny (169:59)

Wow, that's fascinating, man.

Maxim (170:01)

Yeah, so I was really blown. I didn't really expect how developed that industry is. And they sell these machines, so the particular outlet I was in touch, they mostly sell machines to other manufacturers. And a lot of those machines are capable of machining, like multiple granite or stone objects at the same time. So they have like multiple heads and multiple cutters, and they all go in unison to CNC in a route and they cut the shapes inside and outside credit. There are some limitations on what they can and cannot do in terms of size. Like, too small, they don't have the tools. Too large and they don't have the tools. But anything like, I think between like 2 and 200 inches is covered in costs, like next to nothing. So.

Danny (170:47)

Wow, man.

Maxim (170:48)

So maybe we ought to get one done.

Danny (170:50)

That's wild, dude.

Maxim (170:52)

Yeah. I mean, that wasn't the conclusion I was looking for, but I kind of cannot hold it back. And. Yeah, you know, I talked to Matt about it, you know, on and off, and he was floating the idea that, you know, he didn't know whether his objects were. Some of his objects were genuine or not. But, you know, now I can say that based on my analysis, I can vouch for what objects I think are genuine in his collection or in other collections and photos. What objects? I wouldn't, Wouldn't say that they're genuine just because they too closely match in a modern production techniques. And we don't see anything like that in the museums.

Danny (171:26)

Wow, man. What about the Petri core? Like, it's crazy to me that, you know, even though these things aren't super precise, you know, from your. Based on your study, that what they were doing wasn't super precise. But it does seem to me that, like, they must have had something that we can't explain to, like, create some of these cores and even like stuff that Ben talks about, like with those giant rocks with the saw cuts in them that are like perfectly.

Maxim (171:51)

I'm glad you asked because look at this. The hole in here is super precise.

Danny (171:58)

Yeah.

Maxim (171:59)

It's like more precise than anything I've seen. Or look at this, this coal vessel, you know, the hole in this. Yeah. Is super precise. And. And do you think it's difficult to do. No, it's accomplished with a bow drill. And that's what happens when you have like abrasive. So the way you use a bow drill basically have a bit.

Danny (172:20)

Yeah.

Maxim (172:21)

On a stick and you have a bow that.

Danny (172:23)

Yeah.

Maxim (172:23)

Rotates it. Yeah. But the reason you get like a very precise cut is the abrasive. And this shouldn't be surprising because, you know, there are plenty of examples of it in nature. You walk on the beach that's. That's covered in stone, not in sand, but in stone. And all the stones around it. Yeah, pebbles. Right. So why pebbles around it is because abrasive sand rounds everything. And the more you grind, the rounder it becomes. And when you have a bow drill with an abrasive set to any type of stone, you get a perfectly insanely round hole. That's same amount of roundness as you get, you know, when you put a modern, you know, drill bit through a metal or anything for that matter. And I was blown away because, you know, I paid not very much for this. And like, damn. It's a bow drill.

Danny (173:13)

Yeah.

Maxim (173:13)

And damn. You know, it's precise. And then I measure this and it's like the second most precise measurement I ever took. And this time it's embuzzled like I didn't expect. But that, that's what you get. And the same, you know, with quarters. And it's actually been proven by UPenning researchers at UPenn. They examined tubular drilling. So when you have a. A copper tube and. And you set it, let's say, on granite. And once again, the drilling action is accomplished not by copper. It's accomplished by the abrasive.

Danny (173:49)

Right.

Maxim (173:49)

And what copper does, it just drags the abrasive along. And for that matter, it was shown that you can even drill with wooden tubes because wood wedges, this sand particles, and that's what does the cutting. And what you get, not you get only like a supremely round cut. You also get these striations that we observe in Petrie core. And those striations have been studied in depth to where it was shown that, you know, the line that forms if you trace it, it's not like a uniform line, it's a bunch of lines and it intersects and overlaps. It's entirely consistent with the abrasive action. So it's inconsistent, let's say with a diamond tooth or a cutter tooth going in a spiral. That's not what we see. Instead we see a bunch of tracks that are crisscross overlap. Okay.

Danny (174:33)

I thought that he wrapped a string around it and found that to some point.

Maxim (174:37)

So I think it was a bit of a mystification. So depending on how carefully you do. But enough people looked at it and including, you know, shout out to knight scarab. So he did a particularly good job into unrolling, you know, the petri core and tracing the, you know, the grooves. So unfortunately, unfortunately, that's what you get, you know, when you use abrasive. And for that matter, when I picked up objects at the Petrik collection with nicely done interior like this one, for example, I looked at and I see the number. I recognize it. When you look inside, it has a bunch of striations that look like, you know, lathe marks. But in fact, you know, those are the marks from the abrasive, you know, dragging against, you know, the side of the, of the vessel. Because the interior, when you look at the scan is not perfect. It's this way and that way. You know, it's nicely circular, but it's not concentric.

Danny (175:30)

Right.

Maxim (175:30)

And you don't get that on the lace. And the grooves that are left are, you know, they're crisscross, they overlap. They just superficially, because they're so fine, you know, they superficially look their lathe marks, but they're not.

Danny (175:42)

So you debunked, you debunked the Egyptian races. I can't believe it.

Maxim (175:46)

Pretty much did. And my conclusion is this. This is an amazing stone working technique. So what we underappreciated is how effective it is. And I also believe, and I speculate here, I think they use some level of automation to do it. I don't think, you know, I don't, once again, I mentioned it many times. I don't think people were stupid. So I don't think anybody, you know, was turning the wheel. So maybe it was the action of water or, you know, donkey working in a circle. But I think it was automated enough to where, you know, this ground grinder bit, you know, was just turning, turning and turning on. By the way, I have a slide there with the bits. Let's show it, Steve. I think it's the maybe last slide. The last one. The very last, yeah. So those are, you know, objects from the Petrie Museum that I, I believe were the, you know, grinding bits. They look exactly like, you know, you would expect, you know, from a modern tool shop. And the thing is there are like a bunch of them. And what's the first thing you notice when you walk to a machine shop? You notice an endless variety of cutters. And bits. Like every machinist has a zillion cutters and zillion bits. And you go to a museum and you see, you know, these cutters and bits, except they're classified as maze heads. Right. And you know, Matt Bell was quick to point out that the mace head at the bottom looks like a cut out piece of a vase. But I think at the end of the day it was used for grinding because it has this in the exact shape that you need to grind. You know, each of these pieces are like perfect examples of what you would use for grinding, especially the elongated one, because the elongated one you would use for hollowing out the inside. And there are a bunch of them, different sizes, different shapes. It's just countless and countless. And the piece to the right, I think it's the rubbing block for the outer surface.

Danny (177:32)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (177:33)

And I think that's, you know, they classify them as a fragment of the vessel because that's what it looks like.

Danny (177:38)

Yes.

Maxim (177:39)

But to me it looks more like, you know, grinding block. Something you set next to the vase, you know, when it turns and you grind and shave, shave off layers and layers until it becomes round enough. But you know, there are hundreds, you know, thousands of this and it matches exactly. Kind of the tool set you need. And if we go to one slide up. Steve. Yeah. That's a reconstruction from a known stone mill in here. Hero Carol, man, where is my tone when I need it? Herocalis. Say it.

Danny (178:14)

So he uses a water hydraulic action to Coppola.

Maxim (178:19)

Yeah. If you go up one slide, there is a depiction of it on the. So it was found on sarcophagus in Turkey.

Danny (178:25)

Oh wow.

Maxim (178:26)

And then they did a reconstruction. So it's unknown, but it's an in Hellenistic time. Right. So it's, it's not like a prednastic Egyptian, but it's not a stretch, you know, to extrapolate from this to turning, you know, grinding blocks on, on these vases, you know, maybe a thousand years before that. Because it just makes sense. But maybe it wasn't water, maybe it was, you know, I don't care. Something like that. But it's grinding.

Danny (178:54)

Yeah.

Maxim (178:55)

And wow.

Danny (178:57)

Well that's awesome, man. I mean it takes good, takes scientific people like you to pressure test some of these theories. And I'm glad you're doing it. It's a fast, fascinating work you're doing.

Maxim (179:06)

Thank you.

Danny (179:07)

Tell people where they can find you. Learn more about your work and all that stuff.

Maxim (179:11)

Yeah, of course. I have a website called Maximus Dot Energy and that's you know, where my devices that I make for nuclear science. And that's why my fusion research is. And this is why my Egyptology blog. I also have a YouTube channel and it's also, I think, Maximus energy. And I'm not a YouTuber, so I don't, you know, produce videos for a living. So occasionally I would put a video there too. If you're curious to know, you know, what music I used to make in my past life. You can find me on Spotify or, you know, itunes on the ultra Max and you'll. Oh, and I have a gift for you from my past life.

Danny (179:52)

Oh, wow.

Maxim (179:52)

Yeah, I know it's more like a token souvenir, but, you know, heck, you have something tangible. That's amazing.

Danny (180:00)

Is that you?

Maxim (180:01)

Yeah, it's me. Younger and more handsome. Wow. And I'm also would like to say that I'm. I wrote a book, like a fiction, you know, my. My kind of take, artistic take on. On how, you know, this past civilization, you know, could have lived or evolved. And of course it involves extraterrestrial beings. And of course it has to be a trilogy. So I finished, nearly finished first book. It's called Order and Chaos. I have a website, orderandcastbook.com, but I have not quite finished it. Maybe it will be finished in a couple months, maybe sometimes next year. But that's how I express my wild artistic ideas about what might have happened in the past and what these beings were and why they came, you know, to this planet and whatnot.

Danny (181:00)

You know, Fascinating stuff, man. Well, we'll link it all below for people to check it out. And dude, thanks again for doing this, man. This has been.

Maxim (181:08)

Well, thank you for having me.

Danny (181:09)

I. Yeah, my pleasure.

Maxim (181:10)

Opportunity to share some of the crazy ideas. Yeah, man.

Danny (181:13)

Yeah, we'll have to do it again once you are able to implement some of these experiments and find out more stuff.

Maxim (181:17)

Yeah, that would be fun. Cool.

Danny (181:18)

All right, thanks again. Good night, everybody.

Maxim (181:20)

Thanks.