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Podcast: Danny Jones Podcast | QCODE
Episode: #355 - New Epstein Files Could Reveal What is Hiding Under Antarctica | Jason Jorjani
Date: December 15, 2025
Guest: Dr. Jason Jorjani (philosopher, author, researcher)

Danny welcomes back Jason Jorjani for an extended, four-hour deep-dive into his research on Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, and the intersection of intelligence operations, secret technologies, and Atlantis mythology. They explore new leads from forthcoming Epstein document releases, discuss the nature of the Deep State as a product of Nazi and corporate power, and transition into rich debates on geopolitics, occult history, and controversial theories about ancient civilizations and hidden breakaway societies.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein Files & the Maxwell “Ocean Outlaw” Theory

Timestamp: [00:41] – [06:05]

• Jason’s article, Ocean Outlaw, reframes Ghislaine Maxwell as more than a “madam sex trafficker.”
• Research sources include Whitney Webb’s One Nation Under Blackmail, Ari Ben-Menashe, Mike Benz, “Dark Journalist,” and Ian Urbina’s Outlaw Ocean.
• Maxwell’s fascination with extra-territorial waters and ties to oceanic piracy signal broader interests in sovereignty, seasteading, and activities beyond any nation’s jurisdiction.
• Maxwell’s role in the Terramar Foundation, and her interviews with Ian Urbina, show her desire for piratical freedom, perhaps as a means to operate outside of government oversight.
• Quote (Jorjani):
  “Ghislaine Maxwell was fascinated by [Urbina’s] New York Times articles… very revealing, I think, of her motivations and her outlook.” ([05:22])

2. The Sex Trafficking Narrative & Deep State Diversions

Timestamp: [06:05] – [14:32]

• Giorgiani asserts: “The salaciousness of the madam sex trafficker...has been used to cover up what’s really going on, and that it is fundamentally a diversionary tactic.” ([06:10])
• Confirms sex trafficking was real, but insists its coverage is hyper-sensationalized to divert from powerful networks and the roots of state power.
• Recounts a 2019 lunch with Mossad operatives who casually discussed sexual exploitation as an ingrained, overlooked part of elite business dealings.
• Giorgiani attended the Dalton School, tying personal background to Epstein, who also taught there in the late 1970s.

3. The Dalton School as Deep State Nexus

Timestamp: [14:32] – [25:32]

• Epstein was hired at Dalton by Donald Barr, OSS/CIA operative and author of Space Relations, a sci-fi novel about aristocratic pirates and interplanetary sex trafficking.
• Dalton itself was a recruiting ground for intelligence agencies, with faculty covertly scouting high-IQ, highly suggestible students for future intelligence work.
• Quote (Jorjani):
  “Within a year, after having been his student… it became clear he was trying to recruit me into the CIA. I was 14 years old.” ([22:13])
• The school librarian, the wife of the CIA recruiter, created lists of student library reading to aid identification—a covert, educational surveillance system.

4. Epstein’s Network: Intelligence, Jewish Mafia, and Deep State Roots

Timestamp: [16:05] – [31:35], [75:23] – [80:01]

• Jorjani distinguishes between Mossad “agents,” “assets,” and “witting collaborators,” suggesting Epstein operated as a “facilitator” for both Mossad and CIA, not as a salaried agent.
• Links Epstein’s connections back to Meyer Lansky and the Jewish Mafia, showing Epstein’s trajectory as that of an under-qualified Dalton teacher recruited upward through elite networks.
• Jewish mob ties, elite prep school access, and connections to CIA/Mossad form a triad of power typical of what he calls the American Deep State.

5. Iran, Israel, Geopolitics, and Demographic Tensions

Timestamp: [31:35] – [66:30]

• Extensive conversation on regime change in Iran, U.S. foreign policy, and projections of global Muslim demographic ascendancy.
• Jorjani claims that Islam is structurally unreformable and that by 2075, major world cities and the planet as a whole will be Muslim-majority, changing the Western political landscape.
• Pro-Israel stance is rooted in viewing Israel as a nuclear-armed “last line of defense” against a future global Islamic caliphate.
• Quote (Jorjani):
  “I trust this little country, smaller than New Jersey... and this little country’s arsenal of 300 nuclear weapons. Because the last thing the Israelis are going to allow is for them to be subsumed and dominated and integrated into a global Islamic caliphate.” ([47:07])

6. The Deep State: Nazi Origins and Breakaway Civilizations

Timestamp: [80:01] – [108:09]

• Deep State in the U.S. is depicted as an extension of the Nazi and fascist intelligence networks absorbed after WWII.
• Details America’s Nazi connections: financing the Reich, importing Nazi scientists via Operation Paperclip, and integrating SS intelligence networks into the CIA.
• Outlines the occult and technological ambitions of the Nazi “Fourth Reich” and postwar American security complex, including research into anti-gravity, zero-point energy, and advanced aerospace technologies.
• Quote (Jorjani):
  “The deep state of this country is Nazi… The American elites who believed in this ideology created Nazi Germany in the first place…” ([104:31])
• Suggests that while deep state actors have access to advanced tech, Epstein was an outsider—his efforts at genetics and anti-gravity were attempts to crack into these enclaves.

7. Epstein, Maxwell, Atlantis & Occult Science

Timestamp: [108:10] – [146:10]

• Maxwell’s upbringing under Robert Maxwell, ties to Springers’ Pergamon Press, and the “Throne of Satan” mythos.
• Close connections with Jacques Cousteau inspire her obsession with Atlantis.
  • Maxwell named Epstein’s submarine Atlantis and used the pseudonym “Janet Atlantis.”
• Epstein’s Zorro Ranch features a maze modeled after Plato’s description of Atlantis; allegations around genetic programs and eugenics underscore a “Nordic phenotype” obsession.
• Epstein’s motivations: Beyond blackmail, a quest for breakaway scientific civilization, genetic engineering, and perhaps even “breeding a super-race.”

8. Antarctic Atlantis, Nazi Expeditions & Modern Connections

Timestamp: [146:11] – [169:02]

• Explores Plato, Egyptian, Mayan, and Edgar Cayce legends around Atlantis as a global culture, tied to Antarctica.
• Ancient pole shifts suggest Antarctica was once the North Pole, and “Thule/Thulan” myths from the Nazis are linked to this “lost civilization.”
• Post-WWII Nazi expeditions to Antarctica, Admiral Byrd’s failed Operation High Jump, and von Braun’s Antarctic visits as potential moon rock operations.
• Maxwell’s latter-day interests, through her romantic tie to CIA-linked “NSA of the Seas” Scott Borgerson, suggest she too shifted her search for Atlantis to Antarctica.

9. Seasteading, Terramar, and Ocean Sovereignty

Timestamp: [169:03] – [181:18]

• Maxwell’s Terramar Foundation and its goals are framed as a new form of stateless sovereignty, potentially mimicking “breakaways” already achieved in secret deep-sea military complexes.
• Terramar’s public stance was ocean conservation, but Jorjani argues its true aims were sovereignty and freedom from nation-state regulation—a platform for trafficking, tax evasion, and black operations.

10. Thanosis, the Afterlife, and the Atlantean Rebellion Legacy

Timestamp: [194:07] – [223:23]

• Shifts into Jorjani’s philosophical work: Thanosis explores the afterlife, reincarnation, and soul sovereignty through parapsychology, NDEs, and historical religious study.
• Revisits the Atlantis myth and the “Sons of Belial,” recasting them as Promethean, rebellious freedom-seekers rather than Gnostic Satanic archetypes.
• The “control system”—both spiritual and physical—is described, connecting modern intelligence structures, ancient mythology, and a metaphysical struggle for individual autonomy.
• Quote (Jorjani):
  “By the end of this book, what you’re presented with is a working model of how to control the destiny of your own soul in a way that gets past the control system managed by God and the angels.” ([203:37])

11. Where Next? The American Breakaway and Constitutional Crisis

Timestamp: [223:47] – [224:56]

• Jorjani previews his upcoming work, aiming to address the current American constitutional crisis through the lens of a secretive, “breakaway” deep state.
• Asks: Will this hidden, powerful elite use their capabilities to defend America, or are they now something apart from the state altogether?

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Deep State Secrecy:
  “If you’re trying to figure out how a UFO flies, it means you don’t have access to the ones being built by Lockheed.” ([137:24])
• On Nazi Origins of U.S. Intelligence:
  “The OSS turned into the CIA was its integration with a bunch of Nazi spies. Mazel tov. Great move.” ([95:24])
• On Maxwell’s True Focus:
  “She becomes her boyfriend… and this Borgerson starts talking about how when the ice in Antarctica melts, it’s going to reveal Atlantis.” ([166:10])
• On Thanosis:
  “By the end of this book, you’re going to understand how the Belial group thought…” ([203:37])
• On Afterlife Manipulation:
  “The entities that try to con you into believing there is [karma] are actually just trying to keep you within the control system.” ([219:27])
• On Epstein’s Place in the System:
  “He had so much money and power that he assumed everything should be accessible to him… and he came up against hard walls and realized... fuck this country, and by extension, the world, is run by a mafia set up by Nazis, which I don’t have access to.” ([163:55])

Important Timestamps

• [00:41] – Episode kicks off, main theme introduction
• [06:10] – The “diversion” of the sex trafficking narrative
• [14:32] – Dalton School, Donald Barr, and CIA connection
• [31:35] – Islam, Israel, and geopolitical stakes
• [80:01] – Origins of the American Deep State and Nazi influence
• [108:10] – Epstein and Maxwell’s Atlantis/occult connections
• [146:11] – The Antarctic Atlantis hypothesis
• [194:07] – Thanosis, afterlife, and metaphysical rebellion
• [223:47] – The future: Will the breakaway civilization save or desert America?

Final Words

Jorjani’s appearance is a whirlwind connecting Epstein/Maxwell’s under-explored ambitions (beyond sex trafficking), the deep roots of America’s intelligence apparatus, the occult, and radical theories on control, freedom, and secret societies. Whether skeptical or convinced, listeners are challenged to rethink narratives surrounding power, history, and even the mystery of existence.

Danny closes with praise and anticipation for Jorjani’s next appearance, promising more deep dives into the philosophical, the forbidden, and the conspiratorial.

Recommended: For further details, see Jason Jorjani’s articles “Ocean Outlaw” and “Rebels of Atlantis”; his new book, Thanosis; and explore the referenced research on Pergamon Press, Nazism in America, and Terramar.