#358 - New Wars, Epstein's Naughty List & The Christmas Spirit | Matt Cox

Summary

Danny Jones Podcast #358 – New Wars, Epstein's Naughty List & The Christmas Spirit | Matt Cox

Release Date: December 25, 2025
Host: Danny Jones
Guest: Matt Cox

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Episode Overview

This Christmas Day episode features Danny Jones and frequent guest Matt Cox in a freewheeling, insightful, and often hilarious discussion, bouncing among current political events, conspiracy theories, internet culture, personal anecdotes, and life philosophies. Key topics include the proliferation of wild theories online, the JFK and Epstein files, Trump's foreign policy, UFO disclosure, the challenges of podcasting, and candid conversations about aging, health, and happiness. The episode is laced with playful banter, personal stories, and a humorous holiday spirit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of Internet Culture & Conspiracy (00:37–06:53)

• Viral Content & Outrage Culture: Danny and Matt joke about the bizarre Garth Brooks-as-serial-killer viral segment, reflecting on people's willingness to believe wild internet stories.
  • “People will believe anything on the Internet these days.” – Danny (02:59)
• Podcasting & The Power of Satire: Discussion about podcasting as both an amplifier of truth and absurdity, and the host’s responsibility to balance fun with fact.
  • Matt notes how satire can be taken literally online, leading to both mockery and genuine belief.
  • “They think you’re an authority simply because you have a YouTube channel which they could pull off with their iPhone.” – Matt (03:01)

2. Ancient Civilizations & The Allure of Alternative History (04:13–06:20)

• Pyramids as Power Sources? Danny brings up guests who claim the pyramids were “solid-state electricity machines,” drawing the line between legitimate curiosity and wild theorizing.
• Public Belief & Flat Earth: Lighthearted jabs about the percentage of podcast viewers who might believe flat earth; tension between engaging with entertaining ideas and avoiding misinformation.

3. Content Creation, Social Media, and the Lure of Controversy (13:12–14:48)

• Going Viral with Controversy: They reflect on the incentives of content cycles and the Candace Owens effect—controversy as a driver for engagement and viewership.
  • “That’s the thing. Content like that is like the easiest way to get views and like blow up on the Internet and people get stuck in that.” – Danny (13:27)

4. The Candace Owens-Charlie Kirk Saga & Conspiratorial Thinking (16:10–23:18)

• Candace Owens’ Content & Online Loyalty: Matt discusses the fallout on his channel after mentioning Owens, and the fierce loyalty among her followers.
• Charlie Kirk’s Assassination Controversy: Danny outlines the complexities and suspicions regarding the assassination, including Candace Owens' theories of foreign involvement and deep-state cover-ups.
• Media Suppression & Contrasting Narratives: Discussion includes the suppressed coverage by mainstream media and the “stand-down orders” in Israel, raising questions of transparency.

5. The Enduring Mystery of JFK’s Assassination (25:02–42:34)

• Debating Oswald’s Role:
  • They run through theories: single shooter vs. conspiracy, citing new and old documentaries, confessions, and classic stats (only ~25% of Americans believe Oswald acted alone).
  • Quotes memorable scenes from Oliver Stone’s JFK, and recount the proliferation of conspiracy confessions.
  • “Anyone who’s paying just a little bit of attention knows the government’s lying and they don’t care.” – Danny (42:04)
• Cuban Exiles, Watergate, Howard Hughes & Nixon: Danny shares historical anecdotes tying together anti-Castro hit squads, Watergate, and Cold War intrigue.
  • “It's pretty obvious that it was us that killed the President... it was a military coup.” – Danny (37:54)

6. Government Secrets, UFO Disclosure, & the Role of Amnesty (42:34–47:33)

• Current State of UFO Disclosure:
  • Assessment of recent government admissions, whistleblower risks, and the “two camps” inside government: one pushing for secrecy due to black budget and legality, the other seeking disclosure.
  • “There’s got to be whistleblower protection for these people. What sucks, but you got to do it. You got to give amnesty.” – Danny (44:43)
  • The hosts land on the "slow drip" hypothesis, where the government gradually acclimates the public to wild truths.

7. Civilization Reboot & Advanced Societies (48:02–53:27)

• Who Would Survive an Apocalypse?
  • Musings on "breakaway civilizations" and speculation that the next advanced society could be underground or underwater—a line Danny ties back to UFO lore and secrecy.
• Nuclear Incidents and UFOs: Danny teases upcoming guests with firsthand accounts of UFOs interacting with nuclear missile installations.

8. Personal Stories, Podcasting Life, and Reflecting on Happiness (73:18–81:43)

• On Wealth & Contentment: Matt claims he wouldn’t significantly alter his lifestyle if he became wealthy again.
• The Challenge of Aging & Staying Healthy:
  • Playful talk about getting fat, failing at diets, and the need for discipline as an older podcaster.
  • “Nobody wants to watch a 66-year-old do a podcast.” — Matt (81:07)
• Life Balance v. Content Creation: They discuss the cost of constant work, unreliable guests, and the chaos of running a show (“my guests don’t show up—half, but it is about…” – Matt, 82:13).

9. Trump, Venezuela, Foreign Policy, and the War on Drugs (90:22–108:59)

• Venezuela Tensions: Danny and Matt examine Trump’s strategy for Venezuela and debate whether military intervention is about oil, drugs, or geopolitics.
• Blowing Up Cartel Boats: Danny denounces the punitive optics of bombing suspected drug boats as mere “political theatre” that targets vulnerable people over cartel bosses.
• Legalization Proposal: Matt floats the idea of mass drug decriminalization, taxation, and reallocating money for rehabilitation as the only realistic and humane approach.
• Conspiratorial Overtones: Agreement that cartel power and government corruption is too deep for easy solutions.

10. Corruption, the Epstein Files, and Power Structures (116:13–124:17)

• Corruption Is Systemic: Both agree that corruption is endemic in government, making real reform almost impossible.
  • “You need an old-fashioned military coup and you need to start executing people in front of the White House.” – Matt (116:32, in jest)
• Epstein Files Wrangling:
  • MTG’s push to release the list, mysteries about who votes against transparency, and the cyclical nature of official lies.
  • “Once you start lying about stuff … it becomes impossible to keep track of all the lies.” – Danny (119:35)
  • They emphasize the difference between credible evidence and mere association with Epstein; warn that many with innocent connections risk “collateral damage.”

11. The Real Power Players: Above the Government (123:07–124:17)

• Epstein, Blackmail, and the True Upper Crust: The podcast frames the government as largely a facade, with ultra-wealthy elites and blackmail networks (like Epstein’s) pulling the real strings behind the scenes.

12. Happiness, Criticism of the Rich, and The Meaning of Generosity (126:49–128:02)

• Elitism and Public Skepticism: Matt laments that no matter what wealthy philanthropists do (like the Dells), the public is quick to criticize—reflecting on social media’s pervasive cynicism.

13. Podcasting Anecdotes: From Aging Astronauts to Wild Guests (57:15–71:25)

• Interview Challenges: They share stories about interviewing elderly guests—a 90-year-old moonwalker and an 80-year-old ex-con skyjacker—and the difficulties that come with remote podcasts and guests with failing memory.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Truth & Internet Authority:
  “They think you’re an authority simply because you have a YouTube channel which they could pull off with their iPhone.” — Matt (03:01)

• On the Pull of Absurd Theories:
  “That's the thing. Content like that is like the easiest way to get views and like blow up on the Internet…” — Danny (13:27)

• On U.S. Political Identity:
  “The stupidest thing to me is how I just think it’s silly how people like to base their whole identity off of a president…” — Danny (99:01)

• On Podcasting Guests:
  “You have degenerates on your show… it's not everybody, but sometimes they’re tweaking out or doing blow in the bathroom in between takes.” — Danny (84:51)

• On Living Well After Prison:
  “If everybody went to jail for two or three years and got out, they’d realize, like, hey, it’s pretty good out here.” — Matt (127:47)

• On the Real Controllers:
  “The government is just a facade. These people control the—these people blackmail and fund the people that we think are really in charge.” — Danny (123:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Viral Outrage & Satire: 00:37–06:53
• Pyramid Conspiracies: 03:53–05:27
• Podcasting and the Nature of Internet Belief: 06:20–13:13
• Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Foreign Plot Theories: 16:10–23:44
• JFK & Watergate—Connecting the Dots: 25:02–42:34
• UFOs & Disclosure Debate: 42:34–47:33
• Apocalypse Scenarios & Underground Societies: 48:02–53:27
• Challenges of Healthy Aging & Podcasting Life: 73:18–81:43
• Trump, Venezuela, Foreign Policy, Cartels: 90:22–108:59
• Systemic Corruption & the Limits of Reform: 116:13–124:17
• Epstein Files, Blackmail, and Elite Control: 116:13–124:17
• Podcasting War Stories: 57:15–71:25
• Rich People and Social Attitudes: 126:49–128:02
• Humor & Bantering Finale: 142:00–End

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Tone & Style

The hosts blend sharp skepticism, humor, and candor with moments of introspection, utilizing a conversational, sometimes irreverent tone. The Christmas special element adds warmth and banter, occasionally pivoting into playful self-deprecation about health, aging, or social position.

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Final Takeaways

• The line between fact and fiction on the internet and in politics is increasingly blurry—satire quickly becomes belief, and content creators wrestle with their own responsibility and influence.
• The structural problems of U.S. foreign policy, endemic corruption, and elite control persist beneath the surface, with the lessons of history (JFK, Watergate, Epstein) repeating in new forms.
• Openness, skepticism, and a sense of humor—plus realistic expectations—are presented as the healthiest approach to the daily barrage of news, conspiracy, and controversy.
• Ultimately, both Danny and Matt come off as men at midlife, searching for knowledge, truth, and a meaningful, healthy existence amid the madness—finding solace in podcasts, relationships, and not taking themselves too seriously.

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This summary distills the episode’s major themes, juiciest discussions, and the best banter, giving a comprehensive sense of both content and tone—even for listeners who missed all two-and-a-half hours.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Me and Matt just got into a huge fight before we started recording.

[A]

Were you recording?

[B]

Matt almost just walked off the podcast.

[A]

Not walk off, but he almost just.

[B]

Left because I bought. My wife spent good money on this elf on the shelf costume for Matt.

[A]

Cox, which I told you I wasn't gonna wear.

[B]

No, you didn't.

[A]

I did when you said. I said, I'm not wearing it. Do you want me to find the text or I'm not wearing it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But you walked in here, and I gave him your elf. I gave you your elf on the shel.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

Are we broadcasting our interviews in 4K or 1080p?

[B]

I love how you is on the podcast.

[A]

I know, right?

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

They don't care. This is gonna go on your Patreon anyway. I know it is. And we just come. I'm like, you get me a comment, I think, oh, great. That was gonna be. I'm gonna be on Danny's podcast, and then you. Then a week later, I'm like, hey, whoa.

[B]

The last one was afraid we were gonna get sued.

[A]

Why?

[B]

By Garth Brooks?

[A]

I mean, Johnny. Johnny Mitchell hasn't been sued yet.

[B]

Well, I haven't either, because we put. We put you on the best of channel, and I got a million views.

[A]

Nice. Oh, yeah, that's right. That. What that was.

[B]

So many people text me after that.

[A]

51 minutes, right? It was like 50 minutes. Just. You guys took that one port portion.

[B]

Well, we. What we did was our. Our editor, he combines all, like, the best moments of the podcast and cadets them into one hour.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I had so many people text me about that podcast, like, bro Garth. I even had a friend, a guy who knows Garth Brooks.

[A]

Really?

[B]

He's like, for real? Is this true? Not like friends.

[A]

I know, but what's wrong with people? What is wrong with you? That. That's because I got text messages and not text. I'm sorry. I Got emails, like, not a lot. Maybe two or three emails where people are saying, you know, we need to talk. This is a, you know, I have information for you. And I'm like, come on, man. Is that like, this is satire? This is, you know, you look, half of the people are mocking, are mocking because of, because they realize it's satire. And they're like, they're like, you know, this is super stupid. Or they're saying it's funny. And then every once in a while there's 10 in there that go, oh my God. You know, no wonder I, I knew something was wrong with him. Yeah. And you're like, are you insane?

[B]

You want to wear your headphones?

[A]

I mean, with, oh, you got your.

[B]

Hat, you don't have to wear them, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's insanity. People are nuts. Like, there's no way you could possibly believe that.

[B]

People will believe anything on the Internet these days.

[A]

That is true. They think you're an authority simply because you have a YouTube channel which they could pull off with their iPhone.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's getting out of hand. It really is. It's. It's become. I think it's becoming a problem. And I'm definitely part of that problem.

[A]

Like, you're a big part of it that guy's talking about.

[B]

The problem is some of this stuff's so fun to talk about.

[A]

It is. But I mean, when you're doing your podcast and some guy tells you that the pyramids were built because they're, they're batteries. They're used as batteries to supercharge UFOs. You never, you never break you the whole time, like, how long have you known this? Where did you. Have you spoken with the CIA? You know, I'm like, I'm like, I can't even watch this. I'm like, how is he not breaking?

[B]

First of all, he didn't say it was a battery. Chris Dun is a former aerospace engineer.

[A]

Care.

[B]

Okay. And he wrote a book, which is a hyp. I'm using two fingers hypothesis to reverse engineer. Cuz there are explainable things about the pyramid. There's. Have you seen the interior diagram of the pyramid?

[A]

I understand if you want to continue to get guests and I get what you're doing.

[B]

No, listen, no, that's a legitimate question.

[A]

Like, I have to take this serious. I need still to guess.

[B]

Okay, so you think the pyramid was a tomb. You're. You're agreeing with the conventional.

[A]

Yes. Okay.

[B]

It's a tomb. Okay, then why does it have all these little weird Shafts that go up and down and chambers with giant granite boxes that wouldn't even fit in those chambers and 10 ton chunks of granite that are stacked up inside these things. And it's clear, it's clearly, it's evident that it wasn't made for human beings to get through that place. And there's like underground chamber that anyone who is like over 120 pounds can't even get through that goes down like 100ft under the ground. Why, why all that for a tomb? That doesn't make sense. I think it's, it's reasonable to ask questions about that kind of stuff.

[A]

Questions. I, that's reasonable. But I, I don't think that they're, you know, I, I, I disagree with.

[B]

The you don't theory that it was a solid state electricity machine to provide free energy to the advanced civilization that lived in Egypt during the time and.

[A]

No, no, I don't, you know, I want to believe you, but I want.

[B]

To believe it too.

[A]

It's a lot of fun.

[B]

It is a ton of fun.

[A]

You know, there's a lot of fun, you know, concepts. But listen, I love, I have a friend named.

[B]

Okay, well, look, the opposite point to that is Zahi Hawass, who is the minister of antiquities in Egypt and he is the one who is the guardian of the history of Egypt. And did you see his podcast with Joe Rogan? It was the worst podcast of all time. The guy was sitting there smoking a cigar, saying that he invented everything.

[A]

Invented? What do you mean invented?

[B]

Like he made it up. He discovered everything. Everything that's ever been discovered in Egypt he talks about, he is the one who discovered it. And he was like, it was just the worst conversation ever. And the dude had no rational arguments for any of the things that Joe had to say. So, like, that's who you're arguing against? Just because the other stuff sounds so crazy doesn't mean it's like ultimately dismissible. It's a, it's a hard thing to navigate. But there is some legitimate questions about that stuff, especially the ancient Egypt stuff.

[A]

I just feel like a good portion of your, of your, your subscribers or viewers believe that the earth is flat. That's, I'm, no, how dare you say.

[B]

That about my subscribers. They don't believe that.

[A]

I think some of them do.

[B]

Look, the difference between me and you, I don't loathe my own subscribers.

[A]

I love my subscribers.

[B]

I love my viewers. Okay? And I don't, I don't just disrespect their intelligence like that.

[A]

Oh, my God. Okay. All right, so what are we talking about?

[B]

So before we started this, me and Matt got into a huge fight, and he almost stormed off the set.

[A]

It's an argument. Wasn't a fight.

[B]

And he refused. My wife spent good money on this Elf on the shelf.

[A]

It's a 1999.

[B]

Because you are the elf on the shelf. This is our inaugural, I don't know when Christmas episode where you, you know, you're the elf on the shelf. And last year, I think, with the title of the episode for last Christmas was like, elf on the Shelf describes the New York City or the New Jersey drone. Santa's Little Helper. That's what we called you.

[A]

I didn't even know that.

[B]

Refused to put on the costume.

[A]

No, it's. Come on. It's too much. It's. It's enough already. I got the hat. I would have worn a red shirt if you said, wear a red shirt.

[B]

So I put it on. So, long story short, I'm the elf on the Shelf today because you refused to wear the costume.

[A]

And then Danny took his shirt off and. And clearly been working out.

[B]

And your wife complimented me.

[A]

I took a picture of him. My wife said, has Danny been working out? I was like, we're gonna have a talk about that when I. When I get home.

[B]

Maybe when I get a yacht.

[A]

Yeah, she'll. She'll be the cap. The captain of your. Of your yacht.

[B]

How's that go? Your wife is. What. What is your she do? She's the below deck for the. For like, the billionaire yachts, right? She's.

[A]

Yeah, no, she's. Now she's got her captain's license.

[B]

Oh, now she's the captain of the yachts. How big are these yachts? She's driving.

[A]

No, she hasn't done. I don't. She. You know, so she'll take them out, right? And she can, you know, whatever they call it, Stare Captain them, run them. I don't know what they call it, but it's the leaving port and getting to port. Like, these things are worth. These are 15, $20 million, you know, and more vessels. So she works for a yacht management company, and so she goes out with them, but she does lots of different things. She does maintenance. She does. She's a stew if they need one. Or she'll. She'll be like. Yeah, like a stewardess. They don't call them stewardess.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Call them stews. So, you know, because these. The. These people that own the yachts at one, they. They lease them out of Course. Or they take their family out and they'll go down to the Keys or go wherever they're going to go. You know, they'll go to Jamaica, whatever, and they'll have that. They'll have to have stews go with them because they're like, whatever. They're, you know, they're the waitresses, waiters. You know, they do all the running around so that these people can just basically lounge. And so she'll do that. She'll do maintenance. Today she was running maintenance. She dropped something in the water, and they had to call a scuba diver.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

I don't think she dropped it. She said she didn't drop it. She said that the bolt had come off and that when she removed something, she said it fell. She said, but the bolt had already come out. It wasn't my fault. Whatever. And so they have to call. And this happens a lot. Like, they'll go out and they'll work on stuff, but some. Something falls in the water, and they'll have to call a scoo. They're scuba divers, and they'll come out. They'll go down. They'll find it and come back.

[B]

And I saw a video on Tik Tok. There's a guy on Tik Tok who does this, like, as his. This is his job. He sc. He scuba dives under docks for people who lose their.

[A]

Yeah, people lose the whole cell phone.

[B]

There was a video of this guy. He was picking up a pair of sunglasses. It was. And it was a pair of, like, not that expensive sunglasses.

[A]

She just dropped her cell phone one time. It was like 20ft down. She swam down 20ft. And basically she said herself. Herself. She's like, I. I literally just went, you know, searched around until she found her phone and then came back up.

[B]

With no goggles or anything. No mask, no nothing.

[A]

But this was. This was she. This was scalloping.

[B]

I've been scalloping.

[A]

Yeah, you can see down there. You know, you can see.

[B]

It's not. With no goggles. Sometimes those docks can be pretty. The water can be pretty murky.

[A]

Maybe she did have. Have like a. A mask or something. I don't know. I didn't ask.

[B]

Depends where she is. If she's in the Bahamas, then that's. That's easy. But you said she had her eyes closed and she was just feeling around, so.

[A]

Well, no, she. I think she said it. She couldn't see. So wherever it was, it was. It was. It wasn't the good water out. It was kind of murky. I Think she said you could barely. You couldn't even see down there.

[B]

That sketchy. So, yeah, hang out under those docks, depending on where you are.

[A]

Well, my money's on her. She's pretty tough.

[B]

She is rugged. She's industrial strength.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this. You see my jeep, the FJ cruiser? Yeah.

[A]

It's got.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen it.

[A]

It's got a lift kit. It's got 30 fives on it. It's got. She's replaced this. She has replaced the. The.

[B]

Oh, she did it all.

[A]

She's replaced the windows, the. The. All the lights on the whole thing. She's rebuilding the whole thing. And this is just kind of what she's doing on her spare time. You know, when you get in your car and you have your. The computer, you get in with your cell phone, it connects automatically to your. She pulled out the dash and put in an aftermarket computer. So when I get in my car, all my carplay comes up. Everything. It's like a brand new car. This is a 2007.

[B]

She installed all this herself.

[A]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

She didn't do the lift kit. She didn't put on the lift kit. That's the only thing. Everything else she did.

[B]

She put in a Dell computer.

[A]

No, but she. What does she want? We have to replace the. We have to replace the. The frame because it's got rust. Like, I got this thing for like five grand, six grand something. I mean, it was. It's. It's bad. So just like basically the car replacing the frame. Yeah, it's actually not that bad. They lift the. But it's only a few bolts and they lift the body off. They were. They pull off the. They. They. She explained it. She goes, it's really not that bad. She could basically do it in a day. She says it's not gonna be that hard, but she can't do it. This. We got somebody who's gonna do it. But. Oh, yeah, we have to replace the bushings. There's like six bushings. She knows all about it. She's. So we'll see.

[B]

Let's just buy a new car. You can afford it. You sold like what? I wanted thousand Garth Brooks books.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

I can't believe he has a say.

[A]

That's not what I sold. It's. I. It's probably 20, maybe 20 or $30,000 worth of books. But. But why? I don't want. I don't want a car payment and I want to fix it up. I want to do what I want to do with the vehicle and have it all paid for and have a vehicle. And it's fun.

[B]

The Garth Brooks thing is wild. You think there's absolutely no chance.

[A]

How. There's no.

[B]

What did we.

[A]

No.

[B]

No. Huh?

[A]

No. No. But listen, if you watch Johnny. Johnny Mitchell's podcast on it, he leans into it the whole time, and anytime I cut up or laughed about it, he cut it out. So it's solid the whole way through. It sounds like I'm trying to convince him. And I'm. And we're talking about it. It sits. It's. It's lawsuit material. No. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

[B]

Yeah. It's the best way to get views.

[A]

Now. The shorts got several social media shorts got million. Your short got over a million. Your video got.

[B]

Your shorts got our full video got over a million.

[A]

But showed you your shorts.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Maybe. I don't remember.

[A]

I. I'm pretty sure that all I knew.

[B]

It's got crazy. It went crazy. That's the thing. That's the thing. Content like that is like the easiest way to get views and, like, blow up on the Internet and people get stuck in that. They see that. They like, oh, okay, Garth Brooks is serial killer. I made a million views on that. What's the next craziest thing I can do? Yeah, you know, this is like the Candace Owens model.

[A]

Yeah, I was. When you. I was just about to say, look at Candace Owens. Like, there was a time two years ago where, you know, I listened to her and I thought she was great and she was amazing. And then. And then whatever the rift was between she and Ben Shapiro and happened. And then the next thing you know, it was. She was saying insane stuff, talking about whatever.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. There's a lot of legit stuff she says, and I think it's mixed in with a lot of insane stuff. And it's hard to parse out what's. What's. And what's actually correct. You know, if you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube early, fully uncensored and ad free, but we're also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q&As, and you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week. For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now back to the show.

[A]

So I mentioned this, by the way, I interviewed a former CIA agent, not Bustamante, because Bustamante, when I contacted him was like, Matt, I can, I'm booked till, you know, March or something. And I thought, I'm lucky I even got that response from him. And this guy I met, I did a keynote speech and he did a keynote speech at the same place for banking at a banking conference. And he had done it. And of course all of the keynote speakers were sitting at the same table. So I got his information and I said, hey man, can you. So I was like, who else do I know? I contacted him, he flew in, did a great job. That video just came out. But we mentioned Candace Owens briefly. Like, I didn't, we didn't go into it hard. Yeah, listen, Candace Owens people.

[B]

They'Re loyal.

[A]

I'm telling you, I've got 30 to 40% of the comments are Candace Owens people saying, you just lost me, you just lost a subscriber. I can't listen to you. Candace Owens is showing us the truth about what they've been hiding all these years, Candace. And they were, they're going, going nuts. Like the. And of course the video is doing pretty well. It's been a, it's been one out for one day. It's got like 40, 000 views.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

We also put her on the COVID so.

[B]

Oh, did you.

[A]

Thumbnail? Yeah, and. But it's, we barely even talk about it. But boy, let me tell you, they are upset. And it's the same thing. It's the controversy.

[B]

Have you paid attention to any of the stuff that she's been talking about, about this Charlie Kirk investigation? She's going hard.

[A]

But I've talked, I mean, I, I've watched a couple of tick tocks and the problem is one, she's talking about people that I don't really know who they are. And it's like one, she's, she's taking in to me, it appears, and I haven't done a deep dive into what she's saying, but it's turned in, it's gone from like Israel and then she's incorporated, you know, the, the Clintons and she's incorporated this person and then anybody that there's any rumors it's all being incorporated into and that, you know, Trump signed off on it or, you know, it's just like this insanity. It, like anything she can do, she throws in. She's just throwing, it seems like she's throwing stuff into the pot. And it's like, you don't have proof of any of this because what you got an email from somebody or the Trump administration admitted that there was a, there's now a, there's a hit out on me. And, and then, and it's like where, you know, I have the receipts where. What are you talking about?

[B]

Yeah, she said that it was like the, she got, she found evidence that like the French legionnaire was. Do the. They were doing some sort of a training course or some sort of training camp in California leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there was this Egyptian plane that was flying from Delaware, from Cairo to Delaware, and then I guess flew to Utah where Charlie was. And she has this whole timeline of what was leading, what was happening, leading up. Look, and look there. I'm sure there's a lot of legitimate stuff that she's like, I mean, do.

[A]

I believe that there was a plane.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Some plane landed somewhere who was on it? That French legionnaires are conducting operations inside of the United States borders.

[B]

Like, well, look, here's, here's. What are we doing? Here's for sure. I think it's pretty obvious that it wasn't just this kid who did it. There was a lot. Something way more sinister involved. There was definitely more people. There's definitely some, some kind of COVID up. I mean, just look at the, the crooks guy who tried to kill the, the President. Why did that get buried? There was all kinds of stuff on the Internet about him. There was videos, there was posts. There was.

[A]

And it got scrubbed.

[B]

It just got forgot about. The mainstream media just forgot about it. And the FBI said there was nothing. And Tucker Carlson just came out with this incredible video that did this deep dive into all this stuff that that was, that people were able to find on him and like videos that he was posting. Like if this guy existed on the Internet, which he did, he would be the top of any federal agencies. Red flag list. Right. Because like nsa, FBI, whatever you're talking about.

[A]

Crooks.

[B]

Crooks.

[A]

Yeah, he wouldn't. Because the Biden administration was in charge. And at that time, and let's face it, even if they knew about him, they're probably hoping that he takes Trump out.

[B]

Well, that's my point.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's my point. Like that, like that.

[A]

We did a whole thing on this. Remember we called up the CIA guy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. John Karaoke. Yeah, yeah. And. And then the whole thing just got scrubbed. And this, it's Also weird that Trump hasn't talked about it at all. Like, he hasn't tried to like press in on that and like put his boot down a little bit harder to try to get more information out there. It seems like it's just like swept it under the rug. I mean, yeah, issues.

[A]

He's already got other things going on. He's got. Sure. He's got Venezuela. He's got.

[B]

Yeah. But then, you know, with this thing with the Charlie Kirk thing, there's just so many holes in that story, dude, it doesn't line up. And, and the FBI like pushing, pushing the law enforcement in Utah to like close the case when there's so many questions. All the stuff about Charlie Kirk and the billionaire trying to hold this influencer summit in the Hamptons a couple weeks before he got murdered. And just like the thing stinks to high heaven. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. And Netanyahu inviting him to Israel, he declined. That's real. No one's, no one's come out and said that that's a lie. She's been showing text messages. There's videos of Charlie Kirk and the other Kelly, Megyn Kelly talking about like, they're getting bullied by these Israeli billionaire Zionists to do all this stuff. And they're like. And dude, the biggest nail in the coffin is when Charlie Kirk went on Patrick Bet David like a. Two years ago, right out or no, a year ago, shortly after October 7th, Charlie Kirk goes on Patrick Bet David's show. And he was like, I gotta be careful how I say this. He. But he's like, I've been to Israel many times. He's like, my question is, my. It's a legitimate question is, was there a stand down order after those terrorists went over the wall and killed all those people at that concert? Because I know for a fact it's a 45 minute helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border. No one did anything for six hours. And that was like the start of it. Like when that, when that happened, it was like, whoa. Like this guy's been invited to Israel so many times. He's pro Israel mainly because of his belief, his faith, his religious faith. He believes that's like the site of the Holy Land and all that stuff. And then like in the last, since October 7th, he started to, to go more and more, you know, questioning Israel. And then there was the summit that he did, the TPUSA summit in Tampa, which was, what was that?

[A]

July?

[B]

I think this was past July where Tucker showed up and can I don't know if no Candace was in there, but Tucker was there and Dave Smith was there. Dave Smith did a debate with this guy named Josh Hammer and Tucker was there, did this long monologue and they both were talking about Israel and you know how, how Israel is blackmailing our politicians and yeah, this is the video, Charlie. We don't have to play it. And, and basically the, the Israeli foreign lobby, the, the lobbying Congress, like it's, it's insane. They don't have to register as a foreign agent. And anyways, it seems like. And that's also a part of Candace's whole thing. That's when this whole thing started to go downhill fast. And then, then Netanyahu reached out and said, I think this is verified. But I, he said to her or to Charlie, let's meet, come to Israel and we'll take TPUSA to the next level, whatever that means. And apparently he declined. Well, now he's dead. Now he wants to say his real dad.

[A]

Well, I mean, why did he decline? Maybe he declined because, sure, there's many reasons he didn't. And I don't see that any of that says that they're behind the shooting.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's just that there's obviously, there's a rift there and there. And there's always, you know, things going on behind the scenes and. But I don't think that, that doesn't mean that this guy, this kind of lone wolf kid, didn't decide he was going to, you know, shoot Charlie Cook and, or, sorry, Charlie Kirk, and he didn't just, you know, get lucky, you know, like, I mean, yeah, crooks didn't get lucky. Crooks not missed and, you know, nipped his ear. Right. But this kid actually fucking hit him. Right. So, you know, how do you know that, that, that's just not what it is. Right. You know, like the, the simplest answer is usually the truth. Not that all that other stuff isn't possible.

[B]

I don't, I don't.

[A]

But where's the leap that it's a leap to say all of this is going on and, and they want to kill a private citizen, you know?

[B]

Right. Okay, think about this. Why, if you're, if you want to kill somebody, there's the two angles. Like, was it somebody who wanted to make us. Obviously it was somebody who wanted to make a spectacle. They wanted to be public. If it was somebody that was like in his inner circle, they wouldn't have done it like that and made it a big mid theater out of it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

They would have done it Privately done something else.

[A]

Yeah, it could have been, could have been any number of things where they know he's not going to be out in front of.

[B]

So whoever did it obviously wanted to send a message.

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[A]

This is the only place they knew where he would be and they had a shot at him. Like I'm never going to get close enough to this guy.

[B]

The guy always does these. This is his career.

[A]

This, that's what I'm saying. This kid knew I know where he'll be. I know the lay of that area. I can go in and I can, you know, check the whole thing out and I can get from this roof, this is where he's supposed to be. I believe I can take a shot and I can hit him. You know, and he did and he, you know, he hit him and you know, it was a horrific. But so I mean, I don't know that that means that Israel was behind it or that anybody in specifically was not that they don't maybe have complete. Have a whole bunch of issues with, with him. I just don't. It's like, and I get it, listen, and, and 100 years from now, like we. There's probably podcasts where they released all the files and it turns out you're right. Oswald was actually sitting in the cafeteria when Kennedy was shot. You know, and then you're going what? And then suddenly all from, you know, right now it's all muddy and maybe in 50 years from now it makes complete sense when they start put, like, if you've ever seen these things where they put together the timeline with Oswald and all. It's. It's insane. Like, all these matter of fact, you know. You know who does a great job of it? The movie JFK with Oswald. Have you seen it?

[B]

The. The first movie?

[A]

Yeah. With Kevin Costner.

[B]

Yep, yep.

[A]

I mean, it, it really like, lays it. It out. And of course it lays it out because they have a. This fictitious character that lays it out for you, right? Who. He was a part of the military. He was. And he explains the whole thing, lays it out and you'. Wow. And maybe all that's true, but maybe Oswald just was in the, you know, the Texas book Depository and he. And he. And he decided to take a shot and he. And it worked out for him.

[B]

There's no way that's true, though.

[A]

Yeah, I, I don't. I don't really believe that's true either.

[B]

But the footage. The footage back into the left.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's. It's the most insane shot ever where the, the. The blowback.

[B]

There was multiple shots. Yeah, there was one where it's like this.

[A]

Yeah, there's one here. There's one here. And then the other one is like, oh, he's got. He gets hit from behind and he fought. He flies back towards the. Like, come on. That doesn't happen.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, because I'm an expert. I've seen a bunch of movies, but yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't look. It just. Nobody that looks at the film thinks, oh, yeah, it. That shot came from behind. Like, no, there's no way. So, I mean, I agree. You know, what is. There's a guy. There's a whole video. And this was a guy that was locked up and where he admits that he was the shooter and he's got. It's a whole.

[B]

Oh, this guy.

[A]

Have you ever seen that? Is he even still alive?

[B]

You know, I've had at least. I've had at least a couple people email me telling me they were the shooter.

[A]

No, this was a guy that was in prison. This was a guy who was in prison. And it. And it's back in the. I don't know. You see, I hate saying that. I hate dying. I don't know. But it's a whole video where he's interviewed by like a. He's interviewed by like a journalist or something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like this. It's not really of a documentary. It's Just they get him and they're interviewing him in the prison. He's actually in prison for, I believe murder or something where he gets 20 years and he ends up dying, I think in prison.

[B]

Would you find this on YouTube?

[A]

Yeah, it's on YouTube.

[B]

What'd he look like? What was he?

[A]

It was just a white guy and supposedly he was in the military. He was in the military. And he had been contacted. No, I think he had gotten out of the military, but he was a sharpshooter. He. He gotten out of the military, I want to say. And then he was contacted by some of his old military guys. That's. That's him. That's him. Yeah, it's, it's very. Is. He's. I think he's dead. Is he dead now?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

How old are you?

[B]

James E. Files? Yeah, I think this guy's actually emailed me.

[A]

Okay. That he's still alive. Wow.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

He, he's.

[B]

Let me check my email.

[A]

Listen. He's very convincing.

[B]

Is he?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So you know who Danny Sheehan is, Was the lawyer for Watergate and the Pentagon Papers. He, he interviewed a bunch of people that were really close to the, the JFK assassination and the Watergate thing.

[A]

And the Pentagon papers says he's 83 years old.

[B]

What was his first name? James. James Files.

[A]

James Files.

[B]

James F I L E S. Do I have an email from him?

[A]

While serving a 50 year sentence for a 1991 attempted murder of two police officers, files gave an interview stating that he was the grassy null shooter in 1963 assassinating an assassination of the U.S. president. He. It was. Guy says he's 83. Yeah. Born 1942. Yeah.

[B]

He's still alive.

[A]

That's amazing. I thought, I thought he had died in prison. I knew he was in prison. I wonder if he. I wonder if he got out. Maybe he got out.

[B]

So what did he say? Who, who did he say? Does he say who like hired him to do it?

[A]

Yeah, I mean he kind of knew the guys who hired him, but he kind of felt like. I think he felt like they were either they were with the military or they had been with the military or Worth and had not. We're now we're working for like a private agency which he believed was probably not that, but it would may have been the CIA something along. Like he knew they were working for somebody else. They got him because I think he wasn't in the military anymore or maybe he was, but they, they basically pull him off and he's Like I, he didn't even realize that he was going to be the shooter until like very much the last minute. And he even talks about how he left something in the area. There's something where he left something. A bullet or a, a cigarette butt. He leaves something in the area that they found. Oh, and he talks about how like, and I left this. And turns out that that's part of one of the things that they found when they went up to the grassy knoll. Talks about these people being over here and this. He, he has a, A. It's a very, very compelling story where you, where. If I wasn't so opposed to it, I would be like, I think this guy might have shot. You know.

[B]

Also a great way to sell some books in prison.

[A]

It, it is, I don't know if he was selling a book, but it's, it is a great interview. If you watched it, it was, it's very convincing. Although I'm old and I can't remember all of it. I knew we were talk about it.

[B]

Vincent Bugliosi, the, He was the prosecutor of the Manson case, author of the 2000, author of the 2000 book, 2007 book.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Easy for you to say. Reclaiming history. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy characterized files as the Rodney Dangerfield of Kennedy assassins. According to Bugliosi was a bona fide liar.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

By the way, for what that's worth, very few within the majority of Americans, 75, who believe there was a conspiracy to kill Kenny respect him or his story. However, conspiracy author James Croth described files as surprisingly credible and said his story is the most believable and persuasive about the assassination. Yeah, interesting.

[A]

It's very.

[B]

So Danny Sheehan, the Harvard lawyer, told me that it was some anti Castro Cubans that shot the President because it was easy to recruit them. They were part of this group called the S Force and they were the ones that were a part of the Bay of Pigs invasion. And they all hated Kennedy because he didn't provide air support.

[A]

Yeah, he really, he, he, he really left them out to dry. And, and yeah, the agreement with, I think, was it Eisenhower who was before him or whoever Kennedy took over for or, or you know, won the presidency from? Which is funny because the whole time Kennedy was running, he was beating up. Who did Kennedy win from? Was it Eisenhower? Oh, I don't know.

[B]

Was it Truman? No, it was not truman. That was 40s, 50s, maybe Eisenhower. I don't know.

[A]

Who was it?

[B]

We don't know our history here.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Well, that's why we're. None of us know.

[A]

Well, that's why I'm asking like, who he beat.

[B]

Who was the president before Kennedy?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Yeah, this is not the.

[A]

Who was the president first Kennedy? Linda B. Johnson. Linden B. Johnson. No, that's not true. He was his. He was his vice president. Sorry, right.

[B]

Was succeed. Oh, succeeded. Yeah. Who was before him?

[A]

Typed in, superseded, preceded.

[B]

Are we all that we can't figure out how to ask an iPhone who was before Kennedy?

[A]

I just asked a buddy of mine who's trying to answer me right now. He's just long.

[B]

I'll beat both you guys this.

[A]

Come on, Dave.

[B]

Who was the president before John F. Kennedy?

[A]

Eisenhower. Oh, I said Eisenhower.

[B]

Yeah, it was Eisenhower.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Okay, so barely got me there, Steve.

[A]

So Kennedy, the whole time during the debates was beating up Eisenhower about the fact that Cuba was now that had it had been taken over and that he had done nothing about it. And so of course Eisenhower is actually knows that they are. The CIA is currently training Cubans, former Cubans to go back in and take over the island. And so once, Once Kennedy takes over and he's briefed about that Kennedy, who the whole time made it sound like he was going to do something about it, suddenly decided he's not going to do anything. Suddenly when he found out what the plan was, he decided it seemed too much like D Day.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And he was like, they're going to know we're behind it. And he wanted deniability. So he switched the. The area where they were going to land, which is a nice. Which was a nice sandy beach. He switched that area and he picked another area which was the Bay of Pigs, which was rocks. And it was just a horrible place to. To a horrible place to land. And then their agreement was once you guys, if you could take the beachhead and hold it for like a few hours or a day, he's like, then we'll send an air support. And. And so the Cubans were very upset because he'd cut everything in half, right. How many they were bringing in the boats, everything. The Cubans come in, they hold it for three days and they basically let them. They never send the troops. And the CIA officers who had trained these guys, worked with them for a year, had to sit there on the radio and listen to these guys get slaughtered. They run out of fuel, they run out of weapons or out of ammunition. Eventually the Cubans take Cubans, you know, over take them over or, you know, whatever. And they just. And they. And Kennedy refused to Send in air support and just let these guys get slaughtered, you know, so I can see the Cubans hating his guts. I just don't know.

[B]

So according to Danny Sheehan, Howard Hughes was a big part of this too. And Nixon, when he was the governor of what state was he the governor of? Was it California? I have no idea who Nixon. Nixon was the governor. California, California. Got it. So Nixon was a part of the training him. And Howard Hughes, he asked Howard Hughes to help him train a hit squad to assassinate Castro. So they got these anti Castro Cubans they recruited with the CIA and they were training them down in Oaxaca, Mexico. And this was around the same time as the Iran Contra, the Contras and the Sandinistas thing in Central America. And so Howard Hughes set this all up and like got the mob. The mob was involved somehow, and Nixon was the one who tasked him to do it. So they were training these triangular hit teams of Cubans down in Oaxaca, Mexico, where they would set up in a triangular formation to assassinate. And the goal was to assassinate Castro. And they actually went down there to try to assassinate Castro, I think three times. And every mission failed. They obviously never, never could do it. And so eventually, once the decision was made by. I mean, it's pretty obvious that it was us that killed the President. I mean, everyone has their own flavor of who killed John F. Kennedy. But I think it's overwhelming that the somebody assassin that it was a military coup. It was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Whenever the decision was made by whoever you believe it was to kill the President, it was those same triangular hit squads, those Cubans that were trained to kill Castro, that killed the President. And what Watergate was allegedly all about. So the way they. They were funding those that training in Oaxaca, Mexico, was the International bank in Mexico City. They were giving money to those guys, and so they killed the President. And then Watergate, the same assassination team, those Cubans that broke in during the Watergate thing.

[A]

One of them Cubans broke in during water.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It was a couple of Cubans that broke into the hotel. There was a bunch of guys, but at least two of them were Cubans. Two of them were on that same hit squad, his squad training in Oaxaca, Mexico, to kill the President. And one of them had a receipt in his pocket to that same bank that was funding them. And the FBI director, whoever the head of the FBI was that was investigating that.

[A]

George Bush.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So several of the men who broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate office complex in 92 were Cuban exiles. So one of those Cuban exiles at Watergate had a receipt to that bank in Mexico City. And the FBI guy was trying to investigate that. And Nixon wanted to put the kibosh on that because he knew that if the FBI found out that there was a connection to those guys that were training in Mexico, the triangular hit teams, he knew that they would be able to trace it back to him eventually. And he was incredibly paranoid that that was going to open up the whole Kennedy can of worms. That and also the CIA director at the time, who was the same guy during MK Ultra anyways, the head of the CIA at the time was like, why, like, like why do you want us to stop this investigation into the, into these Cuban exiles and the White house, huh? John McCone? No, it was John. Who's the guy before that? I think the response was from the chief of staff for Nixon was that's going to open up a whole can of worms. That. A whole. That's going to let the genie out of the bottle on the Kennedy thing. And we don't want that to happen. So that's when they, they killed that. But the reality of it was Nixon didn't order the murder. He was just connected to training the hit squads that ended up killing the president. And he was just paranoid that he was going to get blamed for killing Kennedy. Okay. It's crazy.

[A]

I don't know anything about it, you know, like, yeah, I don't even have an opinion on it.

[B]

And it was 50 years ago. We still don't know the answer. How many years ago was that?

[A]

60S was 60. 60 years ago.

[B]

And we still know the truth.

[A]

Yeah, I want whoever will know the truth, right? Like the, the document.

[B]

How many people do you think if you were to poll all the Americans believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, would you. What would you like a guesstimate of like percentage?

[A]

25, I think.

[B]

25 think he acted alone.

[A]

Was it. Didn't it just say 75 of people believe that, that it was some kind of an assassination in that. What the. The. Isn't that what that statistic just said?

[B]

Oh, I don't know. What was that? The system. I think that was about the James files guy.

[A]

Oh, was it?

[B]

Yeah. I don't remember what we just read, to be honest, but like what percentage.

[A]

Of U. S. Population believe Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald?

[B]

Let's see what it says. Ask it, ask it. What percentage of U.S. citizens believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

[A]

I mean, I'm not using chat GPT, I was just using Google So it's got a bunch of stuff, but it's not, it's not very specific.

[B]

I bet you it's not a lot.

[A]

Yeah, well, I don't. What, 25% isn't a lot, is it? 65% of Americans think Kennedy was assassinated. 60.

[B]

Oh, wow. They think he was assassinated.

[A]

U.S. government. U.S. government. Names really going out on a limb there. 20%.

[B]

He's alive.

[A]

20%.

[B]

Look at this in two. In 2013, a poll found that 30% of Americans believe Oswald was a lone gunman.

[A]

Okay, I said 25. Right.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I mean, worked in concert with anyone who's paying attention. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, anyone, anybody who's paying just a little bit of attention knows the government's lying and they don't care. They don't have to tell us the truth. Right. Like, who's gonna. What's gonna happen?

[A]

It's funny when you, you know, like, growing up, I, I never saw it that way. But now, you know, because of social media and because there's so many conspiracies that are under, you know, there have been uncovered, like now it's like you just, you know, how about the extreme.

[B]

One that's pretty much believe.

[A]

Believe that everything, almost everything they're saying, or at least half of what they say is, is a lie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, whatever happened with this UFO thing.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

I mean, they, they're, they're like. They've just basically admitted, like, that's the end of it. They've admitted that there are these things that are out there that we don't know what they are. And they show up every once in a while. We get them on tape sometimes and that's it.

[B]

Who is saying this? Where'd you read this?

[A]

I mean, you know, the thing that the, the, the Navy caught on film and that there's all the, all of the, there were these, the hearings and.

[B]

And these are the Age of Disclosure documentary that just came out last week.

[A]

Well, I didn't see that, but in general. But yes, that type of a thing where I'm saying, like, what ultimately, like Marco Rubio's on it, like.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

They're talking about.

[B]

There's a lot of high ranking officials on there, like military people, Joint Chiefs of Staff people, senators. Oh, yeah.

[A]

What was ultimate conclusion was. I, I thought prior to this, I just kind of thought. So that's like, we're never getting the real answer. Like there's.

[B]

It seems like everybody in the government, in the military are very aware that this is real. But it seems like there's an internal.

[A]

Fight.

[B]

Within the government and the military, a clash of people in Camp one that want to keep this stuff a Secret and Camp 2 that want to make it public. Right. And the group that wants to keep it a secret, I believe is because that a lot of the money, like in the black budget and a lot of the money missing money from the Pentagon has gone to these projects, these like reverse engineering projects. Because it's got to be, it's got to be kept a secret and it can't be accounted for. Right? So, so they would be criminally liable if this stuff came out. They would face charge, they would face crimes. So I think what the goal is with these documentaries, like this is to like, is to. And there's also a lot of whistleblowers in there that have come out of these programs, like, like Air Force guys and Navy guys and generals and stuff like this and people in the CIA that claim it's real. Number one, there's got to be whistleblower protection for these people. And number two, what. It sucks, but you got to do it. You got to give amnesty.

[A]

I was just gonna say, why can't trump just pardon. Give a blanket.

[B]

You got to give a blanket to anybody involved, right? To these people. So they don't, so they don't get. Go to prison or anything for some of this stuff. Because you know what's worse, right? You gotta, like, what's less bad? It's. I think it's more important for like if there is some sort of civilization that's living here on earth, sharing this planet with us that we don't know about, that's like super advanced. Like it's. We should know about it. Like the, like, I don't think. I think we can handle it. I think human beings should know about that. You shouldn't keep that a secret from the rest of humanity.

[A]

I mean, even if you told everybody and they were upset, like what are they going to do? Like, that's just the way it is. And we've been, we haven't known about this whole time. So obviously they're hidden. Like they're either underwater or, you know, whatever. They're a different dimension. Like they're not interfering with us. It's not like they're knocking planes out of the sky. So if you knew about it, like, what's it going to change? I'm still. You're still going to pay your rent, right? You're still going to pay your credit cards? I'm still gonn Go to work. Like it's not gonna.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know when, when they came out with these, hey, we've got, we've got these videos of these UFO things flying around. Like, and they finally, the, the, they finally came out and said, okay, this is true. We know it's true. We don't really know what they are. And they have these hearings like the, the, the, the economy. Nothing crashed. The economy didn't crash. People didn't quit their jobs or weren't mass suicide, so why not say something?

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah. The question is what are they?

[A]

And that should have been the feeler, right? Like let's, we'll give it a little.

[B]

Give them a little bit.

[A]

Let's, let's leak this, see what they do. Okay. Well, it seemed fine.

[B]

Yeah, I think nobody.

[A]

So fine. Give me a little bit more. You can keep pushing. You can give us a little bit more. Like clearly we can handle it. I'm sure that it's no worse than our worst fears. Right? Like if they've been here and they're occupying deep parts of the ocean or they're living underground or they're living in a, in another dimension when they're with us all the time, then you know, you can say that because it doesn't affect us. It's just curiosity. Like, okay, well now that makes sense. And what are those things? Well, sometimes this happens in this you give basic understanding. You go, okay, so they don't really pause a problem, do they? Are they really coming and kidnapping us and doing experiment experiments? No, that's not really happening. Or maybe they say, well yeah, that's happened a few times. Really know nobody's going to storm the capital because of that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think so either. I think the way they're trying to do it is like slowly drip it out. Like slowly get people used to it. Like documentaries.

[A]

We're going to do 50 years of SCI fi movies, then we're going to release some tapes. Then we're going to.

[B]

Or maybe not. Maybe they're just going to keep.

[A]

Maybe they're just going to keep it's 100 year plan.

[B]

Maybe they're just going to keep inching us closer and closer and closer to it and closer and closer and closer with. And then never say anything and just make us feel like we're going crazy and make us.

[A]

It's a psyops.

[B]

It's, it just drive us insane. Kind of like how now you know the loudest voices on the Internet saying the most absurd stuff. Get the most the most attention and the most views and.

[A]

Right.

[B]

All that stuff to where like nothing is real anymore. Whatever's up must be down. If the government says it's raining outside, I'm gonna go check because I don't think they're lying. Because they're probably lying.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It could be that too. Who knows? But, but I mean it seems like there's overwhelming evidence that that's there's something going on. Yeah, but I've never personally seen it.

[A]

No, me neither. I do like thinking about it though.

[B]

I think it's crazy that. I think it's crazy though that like, I think it's super plausible that if there is another civilization here, it's not from like Mars or some other planet. I think it's definitely here because like we've explored more of Mars than we've explored of our own ocean floors. Like we've. This, this planet's 70 ocean.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're saying we've explored more of the surface of Mars than we have explored of our own oceans.

[A]

Well, because we can't photograph it from the, you know, from space. Right. So you can't photograph the bottom of the ocean so.

[B]

Well, yeah, we like you have to go down there. Isn't it saying that we can put a lunar rover on Mars and go all across, take photos and videos, but we can't do that on the ocean floor? It's a lot of pressure. Pretty wild.

[A]

A lot of pressure. And yeah, water's, you know, it's heavy, crushes stuff.

[B]

Yeah. So I mean like, if they have like some sort of super advanced technology that can handle like atmospheric pressure that deep, maybe they do have caves and stuff under there. I mean, think about it this way. Think about if there was some sort of like catastrophe on Earth right now, like, like a comet hit us or there was a nuclear war or whatever there was, who would survive? It would be probably like some uncontacted tribes in the Amazon and Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos.

[A]

So they have their compounds, bunker compounds that they built and then stuff on the, underneath the ocean.

[B]

So. Yeah. Yep. Continuity government stuff. So you would have billionaires, super smart billionaires with tons of money and you would have the highest levels of the government military with their underground bases and their underwater bases and all that, whatever they have. And people that are in nuclear submarines would probably survive.

[A]

You should have built a bunker here. That's the, that's what happened. He should have had a bunker. You might, you probably do have a bunker. You probably didn't show me the bunker. He showed me the whole place. And then he started to go show me the bunker. He's like, I don't want Matt banging on the door in six months when the asteroids come and saying, let me in, Danny, please. I got you 10 million views.

[B]

Could you imagine how crazy that would be, bro? I think you saw, you know, you knew what it was like here when the hurricanes hit. Like, this town was like Mad Max when the hurricanes hit, bro.

[A]

Yeah, you. Because you were frontline.

[B]

I was right here.

[A]

I was in Wesley Chapel. And we, like, we didn't have electric for, like, three days and no four days, no electric. And I think three days of no phone service. And that was just bizarre. I've been in Florida, you know, my whole life, albeit three years and some incarceration, but that was also. There was also in Florida. So. But I've never had four days of. Of electric going out. That was. And we were in Wesley Chapel work. That's like fifth. That's like 10, 15 miles from. From. And so this place is flooded and, you know, like, this area here, like, you're right. Oh, you're.

[B]

This whole area was underwater.

[A]

That's. That's nuts.

[B]

It was like Mad Max, bro. Like, people were, like, sitting on their roofs because their whole houses were underwater. And it was insane. Like, like was closed. Grocery stores were running out of everything. No gas stations had gas. You'd have to plan your day around, like, weird survival things, you know, Like, I was using my truck to power my house at one point. I mean, I had. I got a generator and I got, like, propane and all that. And it's just like, how you have to restructure is crazy. But that's just a hurricane just losing power for a couple days. Like, now imagine if there was like, a cat. A catastrophe that killed millions and millions, if not billions of people, and there was only a couple thousand people that survived. Well, the thousands of people that survived would be those Mark Zuckerbergs, Elon Musk's military generals, the presidents, those people. So those people are left. They're just going to breed. They're going to repopulate, and then eventually, maybe humans will start to. To sprout back up. Humanity will start to evolve again. And then maybe it takes a couple hundred thousand years for them to get back to where you were when that asteroid hit. At that point, you've evolved already. You've been. Maybe you've been underground. Maybe your conditions have been changed. Maybe the sky was blacked out. You're not getting enough sun, Your diet's changed. Maybe there's inbreeding. The. You're getting more homogenized and, and there's gonna be. You're gonna look different. Maybe you're going to communicate different. Maybe you're gonna. I don't know. Who knows how you evolve. I'm not an anthropologist, but like, if that humanity did kind of restart and they got to the point where we are now, imagine what we would look like if we were 500, 000 years more advanced, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Maybe we would have the technology to conceal ourselves from the apes that are populating and kind of reinvolving. But we would want to keep an eye on them, make sure they don't blow each other up. There's been literally super high ranking people at these nuclear sites that have. I got a guy coming on the podcast soon who is one of them. Like, if you have to be. To be one of those guys, those Air Force officers that work at those ICBM bunkers, you have to be tip top peak, like highest level, psychologically sound.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Because you have your fingers on the buttons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

These guys are literally saying UFOs came and hovered over our, our ICBM missiles and turned them off. Or in Russia. It happened too. They said they pointed them at the United States and armed them. And then like, it's like, just kidding, they turned them off. So if those people are saying this stuff's real, I don't know. I don't know how to.

[A]

You believe it? I believe it. Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like that. That's what we would do, though. Like if we were those people that were like a breakaway, we survived through a cataclysm and humanity reset and we evolved technologically, we would want to make sure that primitive us that's evolving again isn't going to destroy this planet that we live on.

[A]

Right. Ryan, Is it? Ryan Gossett.

[B]

Ryan Gosling.

[A]

Gosling. Thank you. I knew I was saying his name wrong. Right. So he has a movie coming out. Did you. Have you seen that? No, I've seen. I've seen part of it.

[B]

I've seen a few movies.

[A]

Did you see the. It's. It's the one where he's. Where.

[B]

Oh, the moon. The moon one.

[A]

No, it's not the. It's not the moon. It's. There's one where the stars. So it's like a virus is affecting stars and they're. They're. They're. They're basically collapsing. And so he's like a school, like a science teacher at A high school or something. They go and they like, NASA or somebody comes and they grab him and bring him to NASA. He's like, what's going on? They're like, okay, here's what's happening. For some reason, they choose him, and he's like, what? We're gonna. They're like, we're gonna put you to sleep and we're gonna send you off here because there's one star that hasn't been affected, but it's about to affect the sun, and it's been going. It's a virus. And we want to know what's happening here so we can try and fix it. Listen, the play.

[B]

The trailer.

[A]

The trailer is amazing. It's amazing. It's. It's like a dark comedy, but it's. It's. It's great.

[B]

Full screen. This.

[A]

Very interesting.

[B]

That looks badass.

[A]

Yeah. I think the alien is, like, rock based or something.

[B]

The alien's cute.

[A]

The aliens. Yeah, it's. It's. Listen, that trailer, which. The movie may suck, but that trailer is. Is. Is close to like, interstellar kind of trailer.

[B]

Like, oh, no, not my bow off.

[A]

Interstellar was just.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard to top interstellar.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's hard to beat Matthew McConaughey, too.

[A]

Yeah. But this. You know, I just had a NASA.

[B]

Astronaut on the podcast last. Did you? Yeah, one of the last. There's four guys still alive that walked on the moon. Oh, who is it? Charlie Duke. He was on Apollo 16.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's one of the last four guys living that walked on the moon. 80s 90.

[A]

Wow. And he's all there.

[B]

He's pretty sharp, dude.

[A]

Okay. Pretty sharp.

[B]

I had him on here debating the world's number one moon landing denier.

[A]

Oh, I saw this. I saw the ice. Okay. I saw this. Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did that go?

[B]

Not great.

[A]

Why? How did the. What are the numbers? I mean, not great. Why? Because it. Why?

[B]

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[B]

It was a train wreck. It was a train wreck of a podcast.

[A]

What, were they angry at each other or were they civil? 90 year old guys tend to have anger problems.

[B]

90 year old? No, he wasn't angry. Charlie was very nice. Charlie was very calm and cordial.

[A]

Was the other guy a dick?

[B]

The problem was, yeah, he was a dick. But I kept him in check. I, I, I did a, I tried my best to keep him in check. The problem was like the old guy's old, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's got, I think he suffers from short term memory loss. I spent at least three months. How long did we schedule this thing? We scheduled this thing three months ago. Yeah, yeah. So we scheduled it three months in advance.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I spent, I, I had numerous phone calls with Charlie the astronaut. I probably, I talked him on the phone maybe 12 times. I want to say.

[A]

You keep calling you Benji or something or do you not?

[B]

No, no. I was explaining to him like the, like, like what we were doing, what a podcast is and like who, like explaining him Bart and Bart's all bars positions on why the moon landing was fake and showing him Bart's website, by the way. He knew Bart like he had known Bart from 20 years prior when Bart called him.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So like I remember this guy. I've seen videos and Charlie has done podcasts about moon landing deniers.

[A]

Right. Can I say something?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Train wreck or not, it's got over 350,000 views in two days and it's almost four hours long.

[B]

Right? Yeah.

[A]

I mean that's, that's a great, that's a great result.

[B]

Let me explain it. I, he's done podcasts like this before. He's with it. He seems sharp on all the other podcast interviews that he's. Interviews that he's done.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, especially for a 90 year old. I've never talked to a 90 year old. That's that with it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So he's like, yeah, I talk to these people all the time, Danny. He's like, no problem. And so I'm like, so I sent him Bart's website, talked to him about what Bart believes, asked him, you know, talk to him. I walked him through over the phone some of the biggest points that I think Bart had and that Bart's going to bring to the table. No problem, whatever. Anyways, I Kept talking to him. I talked to him once a week for probably three months. He gets here and then he's like, what are we discussing? No, no, no, no, no. Every, like 30 minutes, he's like, I don't understand the purpose of this conversation. What are you trying to tell me you don't believe. By the way, here's another interesting tidbit.

[A]

It.

[B]

The moment the astronaut walked into the studio and Bart, the moon landing and I was here, the first thing Charlie Duke said to him was, didn't you call me 20 years ago and say that you don't think I went to the moon? And the moon landing Denier was like, wow, you remember that? Yeah, that was me. It's nice to finally meet you in the flesh. We sat down for the four hour podcast and he, like, sitting where you are, was telling him. He's like, are you trying to tell me you don't believe the moon landing happened? Do you think I'm lying? I didn't go to the moon.

[A]

Like, was this later in the day or was it early?

[B]

It was one o', clock, I think.

[A]

We started to film because, you know, they, they. So when you get older, they have something called the Twilight. Twilight period?

[B]

No, because I picked. I personally picked him up from the airport the night before and we had a great conversation. It was like 9 o' clock at night.

[A]

I mean, you know, it could maybe, maybe could have been anything that threw him off or his routine. Like my mom would have. Like in the morning when she woke up for several hours, she was really, really sharp. And then they had that. She would hit that kind of twilight where it got to be 6 or 7, 8 o'. Clock. And she got bad. Like, she got bad. She didn't. She forgot things. She told you things over and over again. She. It was bad. Like, you know, and she was in her. She was 90, 90, you know, from 90 to 92, you know, so it was no good. So. And I noticed that, like, I've always thought that, you know, if I had somebody older on or if you talk to older people, I always take it into consideration. But you're saying it was one o' clock in the day, so that doesn't make sense. Maybe he was tired or. That's too bad.

[B]

No, I was jacking him up with coffee. I, I was feeding him all kinds of. To get him stimulated. I offered him some smelling salts. He didn't want that. But he seemed, he seemed fine, man. We did like, we took one break in four hours.

[A]

Well, you know, his, his resident Time zone is two hours.

[B]

No, he's on. He's in South Carolina.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I mean, that's. You know, it's funny because at that age, like, it in a week, two days later, the next day, he might have been sharp as attack and tore the dude in half.

[B]

Yeah, maybe.

[A]

You know, maybe it's a. It's a. It's a dicey. Like, I. I interviewed a guy who. He's a skyjacker the other day and.

[B]

Skyjacker?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Right after Steve.

[B]

Are we talking about, like, Ski. Stevo. Skyj.

[A]

No, like DB Cooper.

[B]

Steve. Oh, skyjacking.

[A]

Like DB Cooper Steve.

[B]

For his last tour, he went up on a plane and jacked himself off to. He finished and then jumped out of the plane.

[A]

Well, it wasn't that.

[B]

And he called it skyjacking. Oh, God.

[A]

This guy was. I think this guy was in his late, late 80s, and he did 30 years in prison for. 30, maybe 40 years in prison for skyjacking. Not the Steve O. You know. No, Steve O. Yeah. And it was right after D.B. cooper. And it's. He. He told an amazing story, but towards the end of the story, he. He started getting a little loopy. You know, he started. And it got to a point where we were wrapping it up, and. And he started telling another story, and we're like, okay, well, you know, then he started telling another, and it got to the point he's like, did I mention that? Such. And such. And it was like, you know, like, you know. Yeah, you did. You know, you did. And he did a great job. But you're sitting there thinking, wow, he's so sharp. But then he would do these things where he'd start talking about something 10 years earlier. 10 years. You know, it wasn't chronological. We'd have to bring him back, and then he'd start to tell the same story again. You know, it was little things. And you're like, now there's a documentary on him, which is phenomenal, because, of course, there's 30 hours of editing, you know, or 30 hours of footage, and they trim it down, and so you've got three hours of an amazing video. And the. The thing was good, but it was a remote. It didn't do very well.

[B]

That was a remote podcast.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I hate doing remotes. It was no good. Like, remotes are horrible. They don't do well. For me, I don't like doing them, and. But it was the same thing. Like, he was great at certain things. He was great. And there are other things where it's like, I don't think he understood what. Understands right now what we're talking about. He's just.

[B]

So how did he. Sky. How do you. How do you. Is he just, like, going up there with a box cutter and, like, threatening to cut their throats?

[A]

Like he had a gun? This was prior to this wasn't DB Cooper where he said he had a bomb. This guy got on with a weapon and he skyjacked, or he. He. While the plane was in the air, he pulls the weapon out and then they land. And then he lets off almost everybody.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And then just before.

[B]

They're nice.

[A]

Yeah, almost everybody. You know, he keeps a few people and he gets the money. Like they, they. He says, I want. I don't know what it was, 300,000 or something, he gets it. And then as the plane's about to take off again, he's going to have it go up somewhere and he's going to jump out. Same exact plane as DB Cooper with the rear. Rear staircase. And so as the plane. Listen to this. As the plane is going down, everybody knew that this was happening. So the local news knew what was happening. And there was a bar that was like a mile or two from the airport. And they were playing this on the local news. And this is at night, right? So this is like 10, 11, 12 o' clock at night. Some drunk at the bar is like, this is ridiculous. Somebody needs to do something about this. And he goes and he gets in his car, his new Cadillac, and he bashes through the fence and he drives down the Runway as the plane starting to take off. And he rams the plane, the car blows up. So it stopped, and this guy's got his. His weapon. He's. He's like, what the fuck is happening? He thinks it's maybe the FBI.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, he ends up saying, I need another plane. He thinks, you know, they're. Don't fuck with me, that kind of stuff. So they. They get him another plane. He. Everybody gets out of that plane, goes on the next plane they take off. And when he jumps out of the plane. He's never jumped out of the plane before. I mean, I was like, you've never.

[B]

This is the guy that was on your podcast? Yeah. He's insane.

[A]

I'm like, you never jumped out of a plane? He's like, no, I never jumped on a plane. So he ju. When he jumps out, he was. He kind of like, had the bag with the money.

[B]

And of course, first of all, where'd the money come from?

[A]

Well, He. He asked for the airline to give him money. And they do they back then they.

[B]

Hundreds of thousands.

[A]

Yes. D.B. cooper got like, oh wow, 250,000 or 300,000. So he got something like that. 2, 300,000. Cuz he knew D.B. cooper got away with it. So he's like this guy got away with it. And there was no security back then. So.

[B]

Steve, will you give me a white rabbit? Yeah, but they're not cold.

[A]

Oh, cold. So what. What he ends up doing is he. He. So he jumped. When he jumps out. Have you ever perished? Have you ever skydived?

[B]

What flavor is that? Okay, that works. I've never skydived. No desire.

[A]

So the. When the. When the. When the parachute, you. First of all, you're dropping very fast. And so when the parachute deploys, the harness yanks into you.

[B]

You.

[A]

I mean, it yanks in like there's actually. You can get yanked by the harness so bad that it can. It can sever your testicle. Like you have to have it. Yeah, well, that's what. That's the whole thing with Marcus Shrinker. I wrote that book Bailout. So he said it happened to him. I don't. I think he's got it both his nuts, but whatever. But that it's a true thing. I talk to guys and they're like, oh no, they make. It's a big deal. Like with these guys, they're like, oh no, you. You. It'll happen, but you get yanked. If you do it, once you get yanked, you'll realize like, wow, he'd never done it. So he's like kind of holding the bag. So when he. When he pulls the parachute, it yanks. Boom. The bag just yanks right out of his hand. He loses the money. Great. And he's like, I'm going down. I can't see nothing. I can see one light. And I'm trying to think. Well, I gotta remember where the. Where the. If I could try and triangulate, I could figure out where the money went. And there was no light. There was one light. I don't know where I'm at. I don't know how far I'm at. I don't know. He does end up landing. He actually goes to sleep for a few hours. He phones a friend.

[B]

He the police and somebody land the plane.

[A]

Yeah, because it was. Yeah, it was. It was a commercial.

[B]

Okay. He didn't just ghost ride the plane.

[A]

Oh no, there was no. He's not a pilot. He couldn't take off. So he. He actually hitchhikes and the sheriff of the town picks him up and actually says to him, he's like, what are you doing? And he's a little scratched up and sees the guy, I gotta. Had an issue with some buddies and, and, yeah, I just need to go to a motel. He's like, okay. He said, yeah, you said you can't be walking around here. He said, we're looking for that skyjacker. You hear about that? And it had been a day or two because he fell asleep in the woods. He was beat up, he was up. He's looking for the money. He's. So anyway, they take him to the hotel, drop him off. He calls a friend. His friend eventually comes to pick him up, but by the time they pick. He picks him up. He's like, he had planned it with like two. Two other people knew. Well, as soon as they heard what had happened, these guys called the cops. They ratted, of course. They're like, they're like, we were.

[B]

We didn't.

[A]

They didn't really think he would do it. And they are the ones who kind of helped plan it. So they're like, you know, like, what's happening? And the guy's calling me. You're calling me to pick you up. Like, what are you doing? And he's like, you know, what about the. What's happening? I lost the money. Oh, Jesus. There's nothing good in this for me. You call the cops. So. So, yeah, he gets grabbed, and then when he goes to prison, he hooks up with a con man who convinces a woman to come see him. He gets her to fall in love with him. He was a very, very charismatic guy. Like, he could talk to these women and they were sending him money and he's talking to multiple women. Convinces this woman to come see him. They start seeing each other. Convinces her to break him out of jail by going to a helicopter pilot. Get a helicopter pilot, get a gun, tell him you're going to go up and you're a real estate agent. You're going to look for property from the air. You got a big buyer that wants to buy a bunch of acreage. So talks to. Talks her into going, and she hires a helicopter pilot. When he takes her up to go supposedly go look for this stuff, she pulls the gun out and says, we're going to land over here in the wreck yard. You're picking up these two guys and they're. They're. They're waiting. Like, he's like, we could see the helicopter. We're waiting. And the guy was. He'd flown about. He was like a military career military guy who just started doing the helicopter thing. So he's like a. He's flown like, you know, a thousand or so, you know, helicopter trips in Vietnam or something. This is not the guy to try. And you're some chicken. And at some point she's looking out and he turns around, he grabs her and he yanks she fires the gun a few times. Oh, God. And he actually. He lets go of the throttle thing and grabs the gun, yanks it away from her. And he's. Now he's got the gun and he's like. She literally said, you know, oh, well, that's fine, I got another one. And reaches into her bag to pull out the other gun. And the guy turns around, just bop.

[B]

Bop, bop, bop, bop.

[A]

And just shoots her. Kills her. So he got more time for that. It's an insane story, but it didn't do well. We released it on.

[B]

How long was he.

[A]

Thanks for giving. Oh, for like 40 years or something. I tried to get them to bring him to me, like, you know what I'm saying? And they were like, look, he's like 80 something years old. Like, he, he can't, I think, you know, he can't.

[B]

Like, where's he live?

[A]

Oh, gosh, somewhere. It's one of those square states up north. I don't know, you know, like, it's.

[B]

You know, he was 80.

[A]

Yeah, he was a 90 year old.

[B]

Astronaut to come here, bro. You can get an 80 year old.

[A]

I could. I probably should have pushed harder because he was very good at it. I mean, he was very good at the podcast. He did a great job and. But they said no and I was no. And it was a.

[B]

Sounds like a fun one, though.

[A]

It was fun. He was very fun. He was very. He wasn't like he could tell a story and he was, he was like. I said he was very with it for the bulk of the thing. It's just. The problem was it was. It was remote and we released it. Like Colby didn't want to release it. Colby didn't want to do any of these anymore. And so I did it and he's like, I'm gonna release. I'll release it on Thanksgiving. Because he knows if we don't want to release it on a decent. On a. In a normal day, because he's like, it's gonna get dog shit views. Anyway, sorry, I gotta. Do we have a napkin?

[B]

Oh, I gotta take a leak. Anyways, quick break.

[A]

It was yesterday. I was talking. I interviewed this guy for, like, four and a half hours. And he was talking about, like, you know, making, you know, millions of dollars. And. And I was just like. And he was talking about, you know, doing some creeps, talking about just crazy things that he was doing. And I was just thinking to myself, like, I just don't. I don't think that would change me. I don't. Wouldn't go on vacation anymore. I wouldn't. You know what I'd probably do is I'd probably fly first class. Like, if I made a million dollars a year, I probably. I probably would buy, like, a house. Like a nice. A nicer house. Even though I love my. My. I like the place I live right now. We've been there, like, three years. Like, I just don't know that my life would change because I feel like I've got everything. I. I got more than what I thought I would ever have. So I'm so happy, you know, my big issue.

[B]

Plus, you've already been rich.

[A]

I know, but even then, I don't think I was. I was. I was never bought, like a Lamborghini. I never did any of those things. You know, as cocky and arrogant as I am, I never did those things. But that was also because I didn't want people watching me or asking questions or bringing. You know, because of course, I was wanted and I'm doing. I was doing illegal things. Like, I don't want to. I don't want to drive. You can't drive it. You drive a Lamborghini and you're. You're stealing millions of dollars from the bank. Like, it's going to catch up with you faster than it already did.

[B]

Right?

[A]

But I'm saying right now, if. If I got that, if I legally was making a million a year, I just don't know that anything would change for me. I just don't know. I think. I think I would. I might. I probably would. Like I said, I'd probably start flying first class. I'd probably get a personal trainer.

[B]

Getting cameras for the podcast.

[A]

We've got great. I think those cameras we have, we just got really nice cameras, right? We got blackmagic with the whole blackmagic setup. We got the switcher, the whole thing.

[B]

You get a personal trainer.

[A]

I'm saying I probably would get someone that would follow me around nonstop and not let me eat, because that's what it'd take. And he'd have to be a big fucker, too, because I'm, you know, and I need to lose £20 and he's.

[B]

Are you getting over. Are you getting fat?

[A]

Yeah, you know, I hide it well, but yeah, I'm like one, I'm over 190.

[B]

Are you still on the gas one?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I am, but I'm not working out. I'm taking tests and I'm not working out Right. Which is stupid.

[B]

Why aren't you working out? You used to work out every morning.

[A]

I know, bro. I'm so lazy. I don't know what happened. And it's just, is, I just, it's horrible. I got comfortable and I'm.

[B]

Dude, I, I, I don't work out enough. I work out maybe two days a week now for the last couple months. And I have three kids.

[A]

Yeah, but you, you're a full time mom, right? It's, it's still, Is it still. There's still responsibilities for you. Yeah.

[B]

Are you kidding me? I spend so much goddamn time with my kids, bro.

[A]

Are you serious? H. All morning, all morning.

[B]

I wake up freaking 7am getting them ready for school, getting them them lunch for the day, getting them dressed, take him to school, come back, go to work. As soon as I get home from work, they're there. They got to get dinner, bath, teeth, brush, ready for bed.

[A]

I'm playing around doing all that. Are you. That's crazy. You got to get somebody. Where's your wife?

[B]

What do you mean? Someone else? To raise my kids.

[A]

Get a nanny. They got au pairs. They'll like, they'll, they'll do it for this, to get room and board in the house.

[B]

No, I'm not at least going to spend, spend as much time as I'm not working. I'm gonna spend some time with my kids, bro, I don't want to have someone else raise my children.

[A]

Well, now you're still there. You just get to watch from a distance.

[B]

And my kids are gonna come in. My kids are gonna grow up to be a financial credit card thief, stealing money from banks, or even worse, letting their best friends, their wives making sex tapes. What is. Boy, I don't want my kids to grow up to be degenerates. I want to be there. I want to be a present father.

[A]

I didn't say you weren't there. I'm just saying I'd need some, some help. There's three of them. You're outnumbered.

[B]

I got my wife. My wife does the. My wife carries the majority of the weight.

[A]

Okay, that's okay. That's what I'm saying. You made it sound like you were running.

[B]

She picks it up from school. I mean, she makes Their lunch pretty much every day. She makes her dinner pretty much every night. But I'm like, they're helping. We got a baby. It's a lot.

[A]

We just got a. A puppy. A pit bull puppy. That's a problem. That's enough of a problem. We could put him in the cage. He's tearing me up. Look, I'm all scratched up. I'm all, listen. Because we got a pit bull. Because, you know, it was questionable whether we were white trash or not. But then we said, let's just get the pit bull and just, let's go ahead and just go all in.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know, let's go ahead and. Let's, let's, let's make this fine. Let's make this official. We're gonna get a pitbull puppy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. Yeah, that's one of one pitbull puppy's a lot. I can't imagine three kids. It's insanity. They're running around, they're. They're breaking stuff. They're. They're. You get their pooping in diapers or they're. Oh, it's just, it's a problem. It's too much.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to find time for myself to. Especially to do workouts. You know, every time I find myself in the gym, it's like, I gotta leave in 10 minutes. Let me see if I can get a quick workout in. Or like before I leave here, you.

[A]

Know, you have a gym outside.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's like if I'm, if I'm like, like I'm saying I have to be home at a certain time, I'll. Like for me, my, my workouts are like, I gotta leave here in 10, 15 minutes. I can squeeze in a quick 10, 15 minute workout before I go home. Like, I don't get to carve out three hours, two hours of the day to work out.

[A]

Well, the nice thing, if you're, if you're here, you can, you can do arms. That's 15 minutes at most. And then you do whatever you're doing. You do a podcast. That guy leaves you knock out, you know, shoulders, you know, I'm saying, like you could do it, bits and pieces, because the gym's right there. It doesn't require me to do anything to do it. So that would, that's, that's perfect. But I unfortunately don't have.

[B]

You don't even have three kids. So what the fuck's your excuse?

[A]

I'm lazy, bro. I got lazy all of A sudden, I don't know, I need Andrew Tate to follow me around and yell at me and tell me you're a loser, you know, and do something. You know, I do play his.

[B]

You look fat. You definitely lost some muscle, though.

[A]

You've no idea. Listen, you know, and listen, like, you know, we used to, when we'd have sex, I turned the lights down for the mood. Now it's just to hide everything. It's, you know, it's horrible.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. You know, like, I want to close my eyes during sex. It's not good. I got all kinds of stuff jiggling, all kinds of stuff.

[B]

Stuff.

[A]

I got that arm thing that women get.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the. The bat wing. How old are you?

[A]

Yeah, I'm 56. I gotta start working out. I gotta lose weight and start working out. I just use all the excuses, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, oh, I got a podcast. We don't have time for this. Or, oh, I got the.

[B]

We use the podcast as an. As an excuse to get outside and work out and, like, eat well. If I'm like. If I, like, before a podcast, I make sure I'm, like, outside. I do cardio or do, like, a.

[A]

Little workout, and I need to do all of that. I mean, I'm. I'm absolutely. I mean, I. I absolutely, absolutely have to start doing that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, I started a diet yesterday, and then today it's already.

[B]

Are you still eating the Hungry Mans?

[A]

It's already going bad. Hungry.

[B]

Lean Cuisines.

[A]

Lean Cuisines. That's all I had yesterday was a Lean Cuisine and like, maybe eight or nine olives. And then it was great. And I wake up and I was like, that's great. And then this morning, I woke up and I had maybe 20 olives and some. Some. Some pickle slices.

[B]

Do you eat those Lean Cuisines every day?

[A]

Yeah, I like one. Well, when I'm dieting, I typically. That's. Well, I'll try to eat like one meal a day. Maybe, you know, snack. One. One or two small snack things. Something silly, but. And a Lean Cuisine. And then I work out. Maybe I'll eat a, you know, like a white chicken. Chicken breast. You know, the can of white chicken breast. You put a little mayo in there and eat it. You know, I'll do that. But the problem is, is that then I. Then I eat it and I'm like, fuck, that's not enough. Next thing you know, I'm eating and all kinds of little stuff, and before you know it, I'm full and I'm like, did you just fill up on.

[B]

Yeah, that's my problem, dude. When I, when I get home from.

[A]

Work, you don't have a problem. I just saw you take your shirt off to put on your elf outfit and you're chiseled.

[B]

Yeah, but I have a problem with snack. Like, when I get home, I'm like, my kids are like, if they're eating dinner, I'll be like picking little pieces off their plate. Or like, my wife will have like some chips and salsa laying on the counter. Or like some, some. My kids are eating Doritos. So there's a bag of Doritos in the kitchen and I'm just hammering those Doritos while I'm cooking dinner or while I'm. Whatever I'm doing. Like, if I'm, especially if I'm cooking dinner, I'm snacking like crazy. By the time I'm done cooking, I've eaten half a peanut butter and jelly, a handful of chocolate covered almonds, half of a bag of Doritos, and I'm like, oh, God, I feel like dog. I can't even, I don't even have room to my stomach to finish the steak I just cooked. So, yeah, that's a problem with my discipline is just like the, the snacking and yeah, even though you can't tell, I can feel it. It's hard.

[A]

It's hard when you have to feel. You need to start doing your podcast on a, on a treadmill. Yeah, I need something. I need something. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna get back into it. I have to get back into it. I'm too old to, to get to. I'm too old to get Joe Rogan weight. Yeah. And look at him. He's in. He looks fucking phenomenal. Right? Like, I can't, I can't let it go. I can't. And this is another thing I always say to.

[B]

He does. He gets in the cold plunge every day and does a sauna and shit every day. He's like, hardcore.

[A]

Yeah, that's insane. But I, the problem is, is like, I'll talk to Jess and Colby and stuff. I'm like, listen, like this thing has to. Like, at my age, I don't have a 20 year shelf life, Right? Like, nobody wants to watch a 60. 60, you know, in 10 years you're 66 years old. Nobody's watching a 66 year old do a podcast.

[B]

Like, you gotta look younger.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. I gotta be at least be in good Shape. So people say, oh, yeah, this guy's older, but he's in great shape, and he takes care of himself. And something that they can say, wow, but at the rate I'm going now, they're gonna look at this fat old man still trying to do a podcast.

[B]

Yeah, bro, you gotta take care of yourself. They'll be like, how do you get him to work?

[A]

How'd this guy get a million subscribers? He's so old. That's what they're gonna say. He's an old fat man. He's got over a million subs. Because I'll be there in a couple months, but then it's going to dwindle, and then it'll just kind of. I'll hopefully can maintain the million subs. And then. Then all the views go off and, you know, I'm getting Social Security and I'm. I'm living in a single wide with my. My old puppy.

[B]

Bro, you gotta balance the. The work life. You gotta. You gotta have a life, too. You can't just be making podcasts 24 7.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's why. That's when your health starts.

[A]

My guests don't show up. Not half, but it is about. We schedule, like six podcasts, maybe seven podcasts a week to get three or four people to show up. They just. They don't make the plane, or they, you know, somebody dies or they. They get sick or there's. I. Listen, I had a guy the other day that was a nightmare guest, and I should have known this because he was kind of a problem starting off, and by the end of the. By the end of the whole thing, you know, it was. We'd put him up in a hotel that he kind of tricked me into getting. And then he. Then we had to get him another room. Another.

[B]

Yeah. Because.

[A]

Yeah, at the last minute, he kind of didn't have the money. And if he could just give him the money. And it was like, okay. And so we got. Well, we paid for a hot. We paid for his flight. And then he. At the last minute, he tried to cancel everything because he wanted his girlfriend to go unless I could pay for her. And I was like, well, I can't pay for her. I'm not paying for her. And then he was like. I was like, I mean, somehow or another, I said, okay, I can get you another night at the hotel, but you have to pay for the flight. So she pays for the flight, but he paid for the flight. He pays for the flight with, like, a credit card that he knows, like a debit card that he knows his account doesn't have money in it. But the ticket goes through, and he gets the ticket, and so she gets on the plane and gets the flight there, but then it reverses, and now they cancel the ticket. And so now she's stuck in Tampa. He's like, oh, she's. And I'm not leaving without her. And he's in the hotel room that we got him. So we get him another hotel room, because he's like, the next day, everything will be fine, because this is gonna happen. And this. The next day, he doesn't get the money he thinks he's gonna get. And now he's kind of stuck in Tampa. And I'm going, that's hilarious. Like. And I'm sitting there going, this is not my responsibility. Like, none of this was my responsibility. And I only helped him out because.

[B]

Well, I was the person coordinating all this. Yourself?

[A]

Yes. But it wasn't that his stuff didn't work. It was that his girlfriend, who we brought with him.

[B]

Why don't you hire, like, somebody to, like, handle that stuff? Like, handle the. Coordinating flights and hotels and all that?

[A]

Because all that's going to happen is that person is going to be calling me saying, listen, this guy said this. This guy said. Because that's what's happening. Well, eventually what happened was I gave him. I forget. We sent him, like, 100 bucks or 200 bucks. And I said, bro, don't call. Don't contact me again. I said, you got nothing else coming. This is your problem. I told you not to bring your girlfriend.

[B]

That's not people that you have on your show, though.

[A]

It is.

[B]

You have degenerates on your show.

[A]

Or you'll get some guy on the show and he's telling his story, and he's. And so. And you're sitting there like. Like, what's. I'm looking at Colby, you know, my Stephen. And I'm looking at him, and he's like, so, what the fuck's going on? The guy's. He's all tweaking out, and you're like, oh, this guy's on something. Like, nobody's. What's happening here? And, you know, they're nuts. And they'll be like, really? Sometimes you'll get a guy, he's really like. He's like. He's starting to go down. He's like, hey, man, listen, I gotta go to the bathroom. And then he comes back from the bathroom. He's like, yeah, man, let's go. What's going on? Let's do it. Let's do it. And I'm thinking, what did he find in the bathroom? Like, did he bring something with him in the bathroom? So, yeah, some of these guys are. Are, you know, or they're argumentative.

[B]

Doing blow in the bathroom in between takes.

[A]

I mean, it's not everybody, but every once in a while they just, you know, they can't find the place.

[B]

It's like, it's on my favor. My favorite is when people come on the show and mostly they see, like, the. The writers, the academic types, like, the younger ones, they're coming in. Their pupils are like saucers. And you cut. It's Adderall.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

These people are coming. They're like. They're like robots. Yes. And this is like how it works. And they're just explaining it. They're very robot. You can tell the way they act robotic. And their pupils are just giant. You can always tell. Adderall's not good for podcasts.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. I just. Listen, I don't.

[B]

When Bubba came on, he was telling me that he has, like, a special concoction. He didn't want me to say it, but up. I said it anyways. He got mad. He's like. For every show he does in the morning, he takes like a. A little bit of an Adderall and like a weed gummy. And somehow the combination of the Adderall and the marijuana gummy, like, puts him in some sort of a pocket where he's like. He's a little bit. A little bit. A little bit loose.

[A]

Right.

[B]

His mind's working on, like, another level, but he's also got that Adderall amphetamine keeping him locked in, like, laser focus. He's like. It's like a. It's like a secret little combo cocktail he uses every day for a show. He's a funny guy, man.

[A]

Yeah, he is.

[B]

He is a wild guy. He just. He just does not stop.

[A]

Listen, I had, like, I. We've been sharing guests and you have. Yeah, and I forget. What was the guest's name was. There's a guy who did the white. His name was Craig. He did the white speaker, white van speaker scan. And I had done one, and I thought he was great. And it was probably a two hour podcast. And then I said, hey, and I said, bubba, do you want to do this? This guy's really good. He'd be good for you. And I think Bubba did. They did like four hours or something. I mean, he was like, he Said, man, he just kept asking questions and asking. He was like. It went on forever, like. And so he's super inquisitive in his interview. And of course, he talks, too. So you got what should be an hour and a half, two hour podcast. Ends up being four hours.

[B]

Yeah. Bubba was trying to. He was trying to shame me because I don't shave my arms. He's like, why don't you shave your arms? I'm like, I'm not going to. Why would I shave my arms? He's like, you got. You got to shave your.

[A]

You got to shave everything.

[B]

Shave your legs, shave your arm, shave your body. That's what the women like. I'm like, no, Bubba, that's not what the women like. He's like. He's like, what about your. What about your. Your balls? You shave your balls. My God.

[A]

I don't want. It's. I don't have this conversation.

[B]

I'm like. I'm like. I trim it. He's like, Mine's like a hardwood. Hardwood FL floor straight down to nothing. Straight to the skin. I wanted to be like, Bubba, you know, the kind of people that shave their arms. The kind of people that let their best friend their wives.

[A]

Oh, my God, you guys.

[B]

I thought about that after the podcast, but I should have said that too.

[A]

You guys are brutal. You're the second person I know that said that in the last day or two.

[B]

Said, what about shaving your arms?

[A]

No, no, though about bubble in Hulk.

[B]

His wife.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I went to. We went to dinner with them with Bubba and his girlfriend, and we went and played and went bowling with him.

[B]

Really? Yeah. Wow.

[A]

I think Bubba beat me once or twice. I don't know. I think he might have beat. Beat us and. And I don't think he's bowling. He had. I think he was like. He hadn't bowled in. I forget, 20 years or something. I don't know.

[B]

Look at you, Matt Cox.

[A]

Yeah, I like going bowling. I'm not great at it, but I. I like going and it's fun to hang out with and Jess likes it and.

[B]

You ever play ping pong?

[A]

No.

[B]

I got a ping pong table. You can play some ping pong if you want.

[A]

What about foosball? Do you have foosball? Air. What about air hockey?

[B]

No foosball.

[A]

You don't have foosball with the. The. The little soccer players?

[B]

Yeah, I know. No, I don't typically play that. I don't go typically. Those are only, like, bars, you know? Yeah, I got. I got the Ping pong table. We're going to get a pool table.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm no good at pool, but I.

[B]

Get a golf simulator for that very far thing where you can hit the golf ball in there and you play.

[A]

Golf and it shows it.

[B]

Yeah. And then we got the half pipe. We can skate.

[A]

What is going on? Like you, you're building a. A Rob Derek.

[B]

Yeah. Fantasy factory.

[A]

Fantasy factory, but without a TV show.

[B]

This is what I've always wanted. I've always wanted a place like this. I could just do all the fun stuff I like, I enjoy.

[A]

I would think you would. Well, I don't know. I don't know because I remember when you talked about building the gym, I was like, oh, he's opening a gym. Gym? Nah, no, a personal gym. Just building one for me. It's like, okay, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't want other people in here using my. Getting it dirty. People won't take care of it, you.

[A]

Know, touching my things.

[B]

Yeah, exactly, bro. So you've been doing some research. You've been. You've been going deep on this Venezuela.

[A]

I. I haven't been going deep on the Venezuela. You told me that's what you said.

[B]

I sent you a link about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you did a deep dive.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, Like, I don't. This really.

[B]

Trump's. Trump's going to war with Venezuela.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to get rid of Maduro.

[A]

I don't think he's going to go to. I think he's just going to, at some point just bomb the living out of him, you know?

[B]

Well, he's been, he's been blowing the boats out of the water.

[A]

Yeah. But I don't think, I mean, I don't think, like, there'll be probably troops on the ground. I mean, I could be wrong, but I watched a video and that's what they said. They said it was unlikely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he would move in troops, but they say because it's not his style. I guess in the last, last administration and this administration, like, he's. He's okay with like, shooting, you know, Tomahawk missiles and blowing stuff up and fishing boats. Yeah, blowing up. Blowing up stuff and doing strikes and stuff. But he's not really a troops on the ground person. He's trying to just, you know.

[B]

If he did do troop boots on the ground, would you support it?

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

Is there anything he could do you wouldn't support?

[A]

I mean, sure. I just don't know what it is, you know, I don't know what it is because so far, like, I just don't. I just feel like there's so many things that just don't make sense to me, and none of that makes sense that the country does that. Like, you know, like, you give hundreds of millions of dollars to countries that hate our guts. You know, you let people in that hate this country. You know, there's just all these things that these administrations do that it's like that. Why would you do that? Like, why would you. I love the one that Marco Rubio uses where he says, like, literally there are. We have refugees that fled or, you know, immigrants that fled some country because they said they were being persecuted. They get status here, and then they go back the next year 5 or 10 or 15 times on vacation to the same country that they said they're being persecuted from and they had to flee from. It's like, this is, this is ridiculous. Or you worked your whole life and you're making $1,200 on your Social Security and then some immigrant comes here and they're making $2,500. And it's like, you know, because you're like, you know, these things don't make sense. There's so many things just don't make sense.

[B]

And then Trump just pardoned the. What was the country that he just, he just pardoned the former president of Honduras.

[A]

Honduras, yeah.

[B]

Who was a huge narco trafficker. He was in business with El Chapo. I mean, he was flooding in hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine to the United States, and he just Trumps pardoned him.

[A]

I'm not, I'm. And that, that's another thing. Is that, like. And then, like, where.

[B]

I don't understand. I don't get it. I'm not smart enough to understand this stuff.

[A]

Well, I mean, I understand it because, like, that's not true. So I watched a video on his. That his lawyer did, and I watched a video. Trump's lawyer. No, no, the former Honduras president. That was just Juan Orlando Hernandez. Right. So do you know what the evidence against him was? There were three.

[B]

He was sentenced to 40 something years in prison.

[A]

There were three traffickers that testified, that had already gotten life sentences, that testified at his trial, that said, I paid him this many millions of dollars to look the other way, or I paid him this much money to launder money. I paid him this much to use airspace or move drugs through. So there's three guys that, you get that come on the stand, and then there's some documentation that nobody can tell where the documents come from? Nobody in the court and very few. And they said it was essentially, the lawyer said that was essentially what the case was. Three people on the stand and some documents that should have never been allowed in. But it was the only thing the government had and they gave him 45 years. And so there's nothing that shows that he is a narco guilty or anything. But the Biden administration wanted him removed. And now why would Trump here, the big question is. Yeah, but, but why would Trump, like, is Trump concerned about this guy being railroaded? Maybe not.

[B]

What is he, why does Trump care about this guy? But why does he.

[A]

Where's Honduras? It's in South America. Right, right. We're going, if we're, if we do end up going to war with Venezuela, wouldn't it be nice to have one of their neighbors on our side? Do you see what I mean? Like, and, and it's like a chess move. It is because in Honduras the bulk of the population believe that this guy was railroad. Like he was railroaded by the Biden administration. So, so he's saying, I pardon him, right? There's an election coming up. So that sways the election to go with the conservative, the people that the administration's backing. And this guy can then possibly go back. Maybe he becomes president, maybe the new president is, of course he's not hostile to us, cuz the current president is and the guy who's running is, is hostile to us. So, so one, we. Look, you guys think he got railroaded by the United States? Well guess what, I just pardoned him. And two, we can always send him back. He can't right now cause the current government is hostile to him. But they're having an election and we're hoping it sways the election because he's kind of like letting. And it's also a sign to Venezuela saying, look, we can be friends. Like look what we just did with. We let this guy out, this election's about to happen. These guys become the, the party that we're backing becomes president. Like we can all be friends, but get rid of the president. What's his name?

[B]

Maduro.

[A]

Maduro, yeah. Sorry, yeah, get rid of. Was it Nicholas? Maduro. Maduro. I can't remember saying. I'm not good with these names. Yeah, Nicholas, get rid of your current president. Maduro. Like get rid of him. We can all be good. You just got to get. Because really he just wants to get rid of, of him. And also it's probably about fuel, right? It's probably about gas.

[B]

Also, no, it's not about. It's not about. That can't be. It's about drugs. We don't want drugs in the United States.

[A]

I don't have a problem. Even if it was. I don't have a problem with it being about gas, and I don't have a problem with that. Like, everybody's always like, you know, we're bullying this. We give people too much money. These people hate our guts. We give hundreds of millions, billions of dollars.

[B]

The people of those countries hate our guts.

[A]

I don't know. I think a lot of them do hate our guts.

[B]

Why do you think they hate us?

[A]

Well, because the government's pushed the agenda of that. We're horrible. And if you're poor, why. It's because of the United States. Why is it the United States or the United States, you know, like, everybody in North Korea, they, they all hate our guts. They love, you know, their president. They hate us because he. They're pushing the agenda that America is this evil person and the reason, or this evil empire and the. If you don't have anything, it's. They blame it on America. It's the sanctions, it's this, it's that. It's these countries that's just. It's like, what they do and then. And if you help them, as soon as they get here, like, all the Muslims that they let in, like all the, like the Somalis and all these Muslims that they let in, they come in and they want to change everything. And as soon as they change it, they hate the United States. And they immediately want to, oh, it's going to be Sharia law, and we're going to. We're going to build a mosque everywhere. We're going to pray five times a day, and we're going to shut down traffic and we're going to like, what is happening. You're turning this into the same shithole country you fled from. They're not smart. I just don't understand. Why let anybody in? Why give anybody any money until we have no debt and only give people that support our country? Why? Like, it doesn't make sense. So the things that Trump are doing make sense because I feel like it's for the betterment of our country. We're just gonna get, you know, in, in, in Ukraine, we're the ones giving all the money to you. Not all the money, but we give money to Ukraine for the. Oh, yeah, but everybody else that gives them money and all the European countries, it's a loan. So you're gonna pay them back, but you're not gonna pay us back, you know? Come on. Like, what. This is. What are we doing?

[B]

Right? I mean, this is the whole thing Trump ran on was ending these pointless forever wars. Yeah.

[A]

Whenever, like, I'll say stuff about. I'll go, eh. Sometimes he says stupid things. And. And when I say. When I say that, it's not because I don't like Trump, it's because, like, where he's like, oh, I'll have that work the first day. It'll be. It'll be. It'll be salt. Like, what? Don't. Like, that's stupid. Don't say that. You seem to. That's when I'm. Whenever I'm. Because people will be like, oh, you. You don't like Trump? Or you think he. He's. He says stupid things. Yeah. Like, that's a stupid thing. Like, come on, man. You don't know. You can do it today.

[B]

The stupidest thing to me is how I just think it's silly how people like to. To base their whole identity off of a president, off of the current president or off of any sort, off any politician.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Right. Like, it's so stupid that even though that's binary, it's left and right, and people want to. Like, their whole character is based on their political. Their political figure that they support, whether it be Biden or whether it be Trump or Kamala or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, it's so dumb. And it doesn't matter what those people do. They'll support.

[A]

They'll support anything.

[B]

They'll support anything they do.

[A]

Anything. Yeah, No, I get it. And I don't think I'm that person because. But I. I don't know what the policies are yet that I don't support. Does that make you. I'm saying, like, it's like, I hear what you're saying because you. Because you were kind of like, is there anything he could do that would. You wouldn't support? It's like, I'm sure there are. I just haven't had one yet. You know, there's the blowing.

[B]

Blowing the fishing boats out of the waters. Seems weird to me because I've had a. I've had a lawyer in here that I'm friends with who he actually represented a guy. I. I don't know if I've told you this story before. He. He represented a guy, a Colombian guy, probably 15 years ago, who was a captain of a cargo ship that was transporting cargo from Columbia to Tampa, and he was hijacked by the cartel. The cartel Boarded his ship. Basically they put a gun in his face and said, we're going to kill you and your whole family if you don't smuggle these drugs into the port of Tampa.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So obviously he did it, got to Tampa and he got sentenced to like, he was like facing two life sentences or whatever. And my friend, the lawyer represented him for free pro bono. He was, he was like his appointed lawyer. This is what started his whole like, career. Got him off scot free. He walked and he, and this lawyer let him live at his, in his house during this whole trial.

[A]

He was found guilty.

[B]

No, he was innocent. They got him off. But that's the point, is that now, now he gets hired by like heads of cartels and criminal organizations in South America to help them. Like they pay him tons of money to fly down and meet with them in hotels, in some Ritz Carlton in like Mexico City or something like that. And none of these guys ever get in trouble. The guys that are at the top of these drug organizations, these cartels, no one ever touches them. It's the poor people of those countries who are trying to make a buck to feed their families to either manufacture drugs or smuggle the drugs or drive those fishing boats. Those guys are expendable pawns. Right? So what is blowing those boats out of the water going to do? Like, you're, you're.

[A]

I don't, I don't think. Well, one, it is stopping whatever was on there, whatever, whatever drugs were on there.

[B]

Right, but you're going to blow them up with a hundred thousand dollar missile.

[A]

It's sending a message that. Here's my problem with, with the, the only problem I have with that whole, you know, that, that whole blowing these seems like theater. I think it is. But Trump is huge on saying shocking things, on doing shocking things. Right. Which doesn't seem extremely. Sometimes he doesn't come off polished and presidential. But I can't say I think people like that. But I like it. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But I like it. I get it.

[B]

But there's a difference between that, that and then blowing up fishing boats with poor fishermen on it. They're trying to make a, you know.

[A]

Like, I don't think they're poor fishermen, but I, I don't think they're poor fishermen.

[B]

You think those are rich people that are driving those boats?

[A]

No, I, I think that they're just people that work for the cartel. I don't think that they are. Those are all people that Are fishermen they suck a gun to. Because fishermen don't drive those boats anyway. And these are cartel people that are, these are smugglers, these are guys that are captains of boats and they know they're working for the cartel. Now is, are the cartel sticking a gun to their, to their head and saying, go, you're going to drive this boat? Maybe, but we don't know. You don't know that that's what's happening. And I don't know that these aren't guys that are ingrained members of the cartel. So what I'm saying is, my problem with that whole thing is that to me it's like you either need to be all in on the cartel, which means all out war in Mexico, in Colombia, in Venezuela way all of them go in, like, let's just start knocking them out just like you would in Afghanistan and in Iraq and Iran and all of those places do the same thing, you know, or then keep the status quo. You either do that or you say, hey, here's what we're going to do. We're going to come up with, look, marijuana is essentially legal. Then we're going to come up with some kind of a version of marijuana. We're going to make it much cheaper than it is. Because even if you get a medical marijuana license, I think it's still pretty expensive. That's what I'm told. I don't smoke, so. But I'm saying that people, because I'm like, well it's super cheap now. They're like, no it's not. I know guys that are still buying it from drug dealers because it's cheaper from the drug dealer than it is for people that are serious. Because I thought it would be worth would be down to almost nothing, but apparently it's not. So it's that. And then I do the same thing for basically drugs for harder quality core drugs, kind of like, kind of like Amsterdam, right? But not that, because there's lots of stuff that's not legal in Amsterdam. But I'm saying, well, if you legalize.

[B]

That, the cartels wouldn't be able to monetize anymore.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. You just took away their power. So why not do that? Make it extremely affordable, tax it and then take the money from the taxes and dump it into rehab so that look, if you have, you can do this just like you can drink, you can drink and it's inexpensive. But if you feel like you have a problem, we have a free rehab. You can go to free rehabs. And we can let a ton of people out of prisons. You could cut the prison population by 80%. Well, let's say 70%. 70%. And we can take that money and dump it in there too. Like, it's one or the other. Go all out and clean these places out, or go completely legit and have the pharmaceutical companies be able to monitor it and set the prices for them so they don't gouge everybody and keep the cartels in business. Business. You can run the cartels out one of two ways. One is brutal. Are innocent people gonna get killed? Absolutely. You start indiscriminately bombing cartel areas, it's gonna be bad. Some innocent people that. Some guy who's trying to feed his family and he's moving stuff for the cartel, is he gonna get his house bombed? Yes, it is. That's gonna happen. But it's the same thing in Afghanistan. They're bombing, you know, funerals and weddings and any place they think these guys are, and they're saying, hey, hey, your collateral damage. If you invited, you know, you invited a terrorist.

[B]

If there's a terrorist. If there's a terrorist in a hotel, they're willing to blow up the hotel.

[A]

Yeah. Like, and. But if. So, like, you're. They're okay with that. But. Oh, no, but we're friends with Mexico. Like, Mexico. Like, all of the parties in Mexico are backed by cartels. Like, the cartels are ingrained in that. It's an entire. The only reason it's surviving is because if we went in and cleaned it out, we'd have to take over their problems. Like, it would be a massive undertaking. It would cost trillions of dollars. And it's like. Like they're hoping. Like, can't we just.

[B]

We have to take care of whose problems.

[A]

If we went into Mexico and said we're just gonna take the country over. Cause it's so massive. The cartels are everywhere. And so let's say we want. Cause we have to get rid of the entire infrastructure of the government. We have to start over from scratch. That's the only way to do it. And if you went in and said, this is what we're gonna do, then if you did that, then you have to take it over. You have to go in and run. It's a massive country. You'd have to go in. Like, could we even possibly do that? Or do you go in slowly, you take over, but you leave everybody in place and you slowly replace those people. And in the meantime, you'd have to basically go get anybody with a fucking tattoo and throw them into prison like they did in Shit. Where do they do that? Where they have the massive hundred thousand man prison. They scooped up everybody.

[B]

Oh yeah, that's where Jack Cruz Salvador.

[A]

Yeah, like that's what you'd have to do in Mexico. But. And Americans don't have the stomach for it. So that's why I'm saying it's a half assed measure to do it. Let's just bomb the boats. But what it's doing is he's trying to send. It's a spectacle. He's trying to send a message. He's trying to get the president to be overthrown. He's got a hundred. They have 50 million on this guy's head. That's double what they had on Osama bin Laden. They've got really. It's $100 million. He's got. It's like him. And then like the guy underneath him's got like 25 million and the guy under. Then they got another guy who's got 10, one that's got 50. The total, it's $100 million on this, on the upper echelon that's running Venezuela right now. So he's hoping that, that the military themselves will do the job for him and do some kind of a coup and let's all get. And get behind the US let's overthrow this communist government. That's what he's hoping. But it's not working. They're uncomfortable. But I don't know, do you have to put boots on the ground to do that? Americans?

[B]

And why do we really want to do it? Because we know it's not about drugs. We know it's not about. I think it's about money. It's always.

[A]

It's got to be about oil, right?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And keep in mind too that Marco Rubio. Why can't I say this guy's name?

[B]

Marco Rubio.

[A]

Marco Rubio. Rubio.

[B]

Rubio.

[A]

Gosh. I want to say Mark, Marco Rubio. His parents were from Cuba. He does not like communism. He does not like what's going on there. He would love to eradicate it. And here's the problem. I agree. Me, I don't want communism or socialism anywhere in the hemisphere, really anywhere in the world. But at least in north, in North America, Central America and South America, the American continents. I do not want there to be. I don't want them even close. I think you eradicate all of them with tax dollars. Sure, why not? I mean gasoline and bombs and it's cheap it's not hard to get rid of these guys.

[B]

I mean, why not just put that, why not that? Put that money towards like giving health care to combat veterans or getting homeless people off the streets. I mean, just to walk into like the White House or the Capitol building. You're walking over drug addicts with needles hanging out of their arms. Like, why not clean up the country first instead of worrying about some other country's communist government?

[A]

Well, because I, I think that that's what ultimately happens is that you don't worry about it and they just keep spreading and spreading and spreading. Before you know it, they're the enemies are at the gate. You know, know like before you know it, there, there's communism has.

[B]

Bro, we got nukes. We got nukes.

[A]

I understand, but I mean, let's face it, I don't know any. I don't, I mean, I don't. How many times did Putin threaten nuke to use nukes over like nobody's using them. It's, it's just, it's a, it's.

[B]

Here's what boost. You know what Bustamante said about that. Bustamante thinks that there's another nuke detonated. It's going to be by some like rogue group, like maybe a cartel. Yeah, I think it's totally possible that cartels could have got some nuke from when the Soviet Union fell or some like underground black market nuke.

[A]

I think have to be. I don't know the car. I was going to say it'd have to be more sophisticated than the cartel, but to be honest, they have so much money. Cartels are pretty sophisticated. Yeah. And I was gonna say, and they'll, and even if they're not sophisticated, they'll hire someone who's sophisticated.

[B]

Well, they already got their hands like Israeli spyware that the, that they got like the Mexican government got some sort of like spyware from the Israel Israelis that they're using to like track bad guys. And the cartel is basically paying the cops to get their hands on it. I had a guy come on the show who was showing me how it worked. He got in with a guy at the cartel that was showing him. All they have to do is type in your phone number. They can go right into your phone, look through everything on your phone and find out geolocate exactly where you are at all times. Like they got their together right. And they got some of the most high tech weaponry, drones and like that. Who knows if they have a nuke and if anyone was going to use it. I mean they're the ones that aren't worried about, like, mutually assured destruction.

[A]

Because, because if they did, that's part of the problem.

[B]

How do you attribute it? Like, if they were to, like, put a nuke in the back of a truck and detonate it, like, how, like you don't know. How do you know where it came from?

[A]

Well, I mean, first of all, when nuclear weapons go off, they can tell where the uranium came from. They can actually tell exactly where it was mined because it gives off a certain signal.

[B]

Right, but it could have been one. It could have been one that came from Russia, you know? Right.

[A]

They could look at, Listen, it could, it could be, it could be material that we gave Israel that supposedly during the Six Day War, at one point there was a nuclear weapon that was actually lost. Right. Like a broken arrow that was actually lost.

[B]

That's.

[A]

It's a, it's a theory. So I'm sure there's a lot of them that got lost. Could you imagine, like, the nuke that goes off is actually one of ours. Was actually, it was actually mined in, you know, Utah. You're like, now what do you do? Yeah, but I mean, I think they would backtrack the whole thing. At some point they'd realize, okay, we think that this cartel here got it and this, and they're sending a message. And they would be like to set it off and not let people know, back up, this is why this just happened is a mistake. Like, now you're just blowing it up. For what reason? Oh, because we got our hands on it. Like, you weren't sending a message. Why did you. So they want to send the message. So you're going to figure out eventually who set it off. That's what I'm just saying. Like, just go into Mexico and absorb the entire economy and strip and slowly take over. Just take over the government and slowly strip all these corrupt people out of it. And you can eradicate, lock up all the cartels.

[B]

Turn Mexico into America.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Why can't it be. Why can't you add. It'd be. It'd probably be about how many states are in Mexico. Mexico's made up of. They're actually made up of states. It's like there's like 10 or 12 states.

[B]

That's a good question.

[A]

So there you'd be adding 12 more states. And take Alberta. Let's take Alberta. They got a bunch of gas too. Yeah, let's take Alberta. Canada can't do anything about it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'M saying you've got these, these 31 states.

[B]

Mexico.

[A]

31. Wow. So you'd just be adding 31 states. States. And you'd have to do, you'd have to slowly go into the government and eliminate. Because you can't just kick fire the whole government because, let's face it, the garbage men will stop picking up the garbage. So you have to go in slowly. The problem is if you absorb Mexico's economy, it would really hurt our economy initially. Ultimately, I think you'd end up basically with what we have right now, which is you'd have kind of like your own and you know, the Mexicans that come over here that work in all the fields that work for essentially slave labor. Right. That's what you'd end up having a whole kind of almost a whole underclass, which is what you have anyway. But I think you'd get rid of.

[B]

But we like that too. We like having that labor.

[A]

Right. But I think what happens is you get that, but you at least be in a position to start eliminating the cartel. And if you made drugs legal here and tax them, then it's like, hey, you get to, you could do drugs and if you have an issue, we'll send you can go to a rehab. Like, you'd have an influx of money. So that's what I think. And I'm basing this on my vast knowledge of nothing. Like just the way I feel kind of, you know. But look at the whole tariff situation with Trump. They're bringing in tons of money every, oh, it's gonna bankrupt, it's gonna cause inflation. Well, inflation's going down, the job market's going up. We're bringing in and trillions of dollars, you know, like it's working. And why not do that? Why not squeeze all these countries out there that hate our guts? They hate our guts, you hate me, and yet I'm giving you money and I'm allowing you to sell your products here. You don't buy any of my products. Like I want manufacturing in the United States. And you know what? And if some kids in China have to go hungry for that to happen, I'm okay with that. Cause they're not Americans. They're not concerned about us. Us. Every time they have a natural disaster, we come to your aid. We give you money. We just give them money. They don't have to pay us back. We are ready to help you. Nobody helps us. Nobody's ever given a dime to the Americans. None of these people care about us. But we're supposed to Care about them. I don't care about you. I don't. I'll care about all of Mexico the moment they, those 31 states get added to our current 50. And I want Alberta.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you see what I'm saying? Like you do that and Puerto Rico, come on. Let's either let them make them a state or kick them loose. But you go through, you probably have to really go through. And there has to be something, some system put in place where it's like, hey, if you get found that you're corrupt, you're a corrupt politician. Listen, I think there should be corrupt. I know, but there should be a whole different, There should be a whole different division of the government of law and federal law enforcement that go. The FBI was actually formed to go after corruption. So let's go ahead and have the FBI start systematically going through and looking for corruption and lock these people. And not two years in a Club Fed camp somewhere. No, you get found, you get found guilty of corruption. It's a horrific.

[B]

Well, how do you do that when everybody is guilty of corruption, including the people in the FBI?

[A]

Yeah, I, I know it's, it's a problem. It's not, it's not a perfect system. I mean it would, it would take something.

[B]

I mean everybody's taking money from foreign governments, everyone's taking money that all various.

[A]

Corporate interests has to be illegal. And then the statute of limitations can't be like, oh, it's three years. Yeah, that, but that was five years ago. No, that it's 15 or 20 years.

[B]

These are the people that make the laws who are like getting paid and also probably have blackmail on them. We're so infilled.

[A]

You need an old fashioned military coup and you need to start executing people in front of the White House. You line up and start executing and that's where the system breaks down. People don't have the. Is it the Mao quote? Is it Mao or. I think also it's attributed to Lenin. But where it's true, political change comes out of the barrel of a gun. Right? Who is it Mao? I always thought it was. I've heard Lenin, I've heard Mao. Any. Anyway, the point is, is that, you know, that's kind of a problem. And it's so every. It is like, and I never believed this growing up, but it is, it's so you would hear about some guy getting found in his mouth while power.

[B]

Grows out of the barrel of a.

[A]

Gun, like growing up. Every once in a while some guy would get convicted of. Some politician would get found guilty of corruption, and it'd always be blatant, right? Like when I grew up. And now it's like, it's subtle everywhere. And it's not $5,000. It's. It's. You went in as a senator making $250,000, and you left office five years later worth 40 million.

[B]

You see the latest shit with Marjorie Taylor Greene? Trump basically, like, forced her out.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's upset with her. I don't even know why.

[B]

Because she's going hard on the Epstein files.

[A]

Oh, okay. So why. What is happening with the Epstein? Are they going to release these things?

[B]

They said they are. They. They voted, right. There was a vote two weeks ago to really to. To do it, and I guess only one person voted against it. And Marjorie Taylor Greene and. And Massey. Thomas Massey were one of the big. The two big folk people that were pushing to get them released. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor of releasing the Epstein 427 1. The final tower. Imagine being that one.

[A]

Who's that guy?

[B]

Imagine being in that guy. Who was he? That's a bad look, bro.

[A]

Yeah, I. I think.

[B]

But, like. Like, here's the. Here's the funny thing. And I was thinking about this the other day. Like, look at Cash Patel, right? There's all these podcasts that he was going on before he was the head of the FBI, talking about, we got to release the Epstein files. It's so corrupt. We got to do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's the first thing I'm going to do when I get in, right? Him and the other guy, Bonji, know the moment he gets in, it's like, right? What? Epstein was not blackmailing anybody. There are new Epstein files. It was nothing. And then he goes in front of Congress the other day, and they. They're asking him questions about. I saw a clip. They were asking Cash Patel questions about a specific guy who's a podcaster. They're like, do you know this guy's name, John. Whatever his name was? And Cash is like, no, I've never heard of that guy in my life. Life. I don't know who that is.

[A]

And then they show him.

[B]

Meanwhile, he's been on the guy's podcast six or seven times. Oh, okay.

[A]

So, like, why would you say that, though? Like, here's the thing.

[B]

Here's the thing. Once you start lying about stuff and you're. You have to lie about so many things, it becomes impossible to rem. Keep track of all the lies. So it's just easier to Lie about everything.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, it. It becomes such a toll to memorize what's real or, like, you know, what's real was not a lot, but what's a lie? But, like, you can't remember all the lies that you've already told. So, like, maybe it just becomes easier just to lie about everything. And that's how you get exposed, especially in today's day and age with social media and being able to, like, go back and pull receipts of shit.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, why lie at all?

[B]

You have to. Like, that's the thing. Like, of course he's lying about stuff. He went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said, there's no Epstein files. There's nothing. Nothing.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And now they're coming out, and now they're in Congress saying, we got the Epstein file. So what happened? I thought there were no Epstein files a month ago. So it's just like, we forget. They forget about the lies. They forget about the lies. Now it's the new norm. There are Epstein files. Now we're going to release them. When? Meanwhile, a month ago, the head of the FBI was saying they didn't fucking exist.

[A]

Okay, well, look, the thing about the episode, and I agree, like, just release them. But I don't really, like, unless you can say this person flew to the island and had sex with this woman, and they've talked to all these girls. It's not like they're saying, hey, you know, this senator, this guy, this guy. Like, these guys, like, they've. They've been interviewed, right? So you're saying those interviews haven't been released? Like, to me, like, one, I believe they should be released, but two, it's like if some guy was a friend of Epstein, Like, I don't care if he was a. He doesn't. He's a financier. You could have. You could have some sex slave in your basement right now. We don't really have basements in Florida, but let's say we did, kid. Let's say you. Let's say you had one. You got a warehouse now maybe you've got a room. You got some sex slave in there. And, you know, and then there's Photograph. You get caught and there's. And they start coming after me. You were on his podcast 12 times.

[B]

You.

[A]

It's like, I. I didn't know that he had a dungeon. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you went to lunch with him. So that's what bothers me. It's like, how am I Supposed to know that, you know, there's 140 phone calls between you and Danny. And it's like, I don't know. Right. That side of Danny.

[B]

Yeah. Of course there's going to be a lot of that collateral damage for people that were. Of course, there were lots of people that went to his island that knew him, that weren't guilty of anything. Right. But there are like, for example, there was that woman. Find out who she was in that congressional hearing. The black woman. I don't know if she was a senator or a congressman or whatever.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. She was texting him live right in.

[B]

The middle of the conference. She's getting texts from Epstein.

[A]

Epstein.

[B]

And the transcripts of them all came out and he was like trying to dictate, like he was trying to push through some fucking law. These people, the Epstein stuff is exposing like this other dimension that we aren't aware.

[A]

These, these filthy rich people that are pulling strings.

[B]

Exactly, they're pulling strings. It's like we can see on the news the politicians that are running around doing. Pulling their strings, doing whatever they do. We think that's the top. We think that's the ceiling. But really there's a whole nother dimension above all that. And this Epstein's up is a portal to all that. There was this article that came out and it was part of the Epstein files that got declassified where it released emails of Epstein and he's having conversations with the hood, Barack, the former prime, former prime minister, I think it was the defense minister of Israel emailing back and forth with Epstein, talking about this country in Africa that was going through a civil war. Right. And Epstein's just casually emailing ahud, Barack saying, looks like we can make some money off this. What do you think? Think it's like, yeah, I think we could monetize this, but it's not going to be easy. Like this is what these people do. They figure out how to monetize civil wars in third world countries. So like those are the people selling.

[A]

Weapons to both sides, right?

[B]

Like that's the kind.

[A]

It doesn't mean anything.

[B]

That's the way the world really works, right?

[A]

Well, not at all. Not at our level. The government maybe at another level.

[B]

Right. The government is just a facade. The government is like these people control the. These people blackmail and fund the people that we think are really in charge.

[A]

And we're a.

[B]

We're a layer below them. We're just trying to live our lives and make sense of all of it.

[A]

I think that there's there's probably. That's probably partially true. Like, I still believe there are elections. Do I believe if it. Like, if it's an overwhelming majority where somebody's, you know, wins the election? I. I don't know that the. I don't know that the system is there to sway that election, but you may sway a little bit here, a little bit there. But I think that you. I think that there's a certain layer that is kind of running things. But I do think they are a lot of them, not all, but a lot of them are beholden to probably the ultra rich that are up here, you know, and, you know, it's. I don't know. It's. I think it's like. I think it's like taxes, you know, like, the bulk of taxes are paid by, like, you know, the rich. Right. Like, they pay a chunk of the taxes. Taxes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and some people are just never happy. Like, what's the person that's given, like, the $6.8 billion or something to fund 25 million savings accounts for kids?

[B]

Oh, this is the Dell people. Yes. I sent you this. I mean, find the video of the Dell. The Dell founder and his wife talking about this savings account thing. She looks like a robot. She looks like she had her eyelids surgically Right. Removed. She looks like a ventriloquist dummy puppet.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But, yeah, I don't know what.

[A]

I haven't seen the video.

[B]

They're sitting. They're sitting next to Trump talking about it. Oh, my God. Did you see that woman? Oh, yeah, there she is. Doesn't she look like his puppet? Like the wooden puppet? What's the name of that guy? Like, the Tommy guy? What's the Tommy Guys podcast you do?

[A]

She looks like a robot. Tommy Knightley. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

She's.

[A]

She's had a lot of work. It gets.

[B]

So people are saying on Twitter that she's a robot, that his real wife died, and that she's just an AI.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, come on. Like, what. What are we doing?

[B]

So Michael. Michael and Susan Del commit 6.25 billion for investment accounts for kids, and they're giving them all 250 bucks? Is that what it is?

[A]

Yeah. Well, what. What's funny is I was reading other than these people got.

[B]

Do you think these people got a bunker?

[A]

I think they have a bunker. I think she's had too much Botox and. And she's probably kind of like a Stetsford wife. She's probably really, really got a lot of. A lot of, she's on a lot of antidepressants. The look, it's very, you know, it's, it's very kind of fake looking. But, you know, I feel bad for women, right? Like, they, some of them, they get so upset when they start getting wrinkles. The next thing you know, they're doing surgery after surgery, after surgery and getting injections. And before you know it, you're like.

[B]

God, you look like probably. I mean, she probably knows her husband's a bunch of other young women and getting paid. She, like, he's got, he's got a revolver door process.

[A]

I don't know. But here's what kills me. If you read the. When I read the. In the comment section I was reading, because I'm less interested in making fun of her. And there were, there were tons of people in there that was saying, like, oh, we're, we're saying that these people are wonderful when they're rich people that don't pay their fair taxes, and now they're giving their taxes to rich kids. And we're supposed to think, think that they're wonderful. And it was just like, it was like, like they don't have to give anything. Like, these people are doing something and you're bitching about it. Like, there are people that were bitching about it.

[B]

People love to bitch on the Internet, right?

[A]

I mean, they love to make fun of people. They don't want to be made fun of, but they love to make fun of people. And then it's like, if the, if a rich person does anything, then they, they attack them. And it's like, I don't have to give you. I already paid my taxes on this money and it's mine. It's like people constantly. If Elon Musk would, he could do this, and he could do this. Go yourself. It's. It's so easy to make money. Go make a trillion dollars and you can do whatever you want with it, but don't tell me what I can do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it, it's just funny. Like, so you're just not. Nobody is not happy. I don't know why people aren't happy.

[B]

People aren't happy, man.

[A]

I'm very happy.

[B]

People aren't people. A lot of people don't have money like this, this, this, this country is like, bo. Like the most amount of money that's made in this country, isn't it? Like Wall street people and bankers. Like, there's no, like, you made. Like, there's no manufacturing. There's no, there's no trades anymore. It's YouTubers, bankers and Uber drivers.

[A]

But listen, when you say nobody's happy. By the way, when I got out of the halfway house and I was living in. In the rooming house for 18 months, totally happy. I've been happy since I got. Listen, if everybody went to jail for two or three years and got out, they realized, like, hey, it's pretty good out here.

[B]

How about your boy Bannon?

[A]

Things are good.

[B]

You're still hanging out with your boy Bannon?

[A]

No. What happened with home title lock is they. They, you know, they're kind of. They rotate the spokespeople, right? Like, not. Not rotate. Like, they get rid of them. Like, I still do stuff for them, but they bring in new people all the time. They're, you know, they try. You can't. I can't go on band Bannon four times a month without people getting tired of Matt Cox. So they brought in a new woman, like some English woman who's like 40 or 50 years old or something like that and very attractive. And Bannon, they ended up in the rotation. Bannon interviewed her and he said, well, we need to interview her from now on. The old horn dog. And so, like, yeah, I don't get interviewed.

[B]

She was tight with Epstein.

[A]

Epstein.

[B]

He knew Epstein.

[A]

Oh, was he?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I bet he never brings that up.

[B]

He. No, he does.

[A]

He.

[B]

He. There's a. There's a whole, like, video documentary that was done on Epstein before he died where he did all these long form interviews. And there's allegedly. There's like, hours of footage of interviews that have Epstein that Bannon filmed. And I think it was the day Bannon got fired by Trump during the first campaign. That same day, Bannon drove straight to Manhattan to meet Epstein. Really? Lloyd.

[A]

Hey, I have a question.

[B]

And Michael Wolf, the guy, the guy who. That name, he did a document. He did a whole, like, deep dive investigation into Epstein and did and interviewed Bannon and a bunch of stuff. And Bannon, there's a interview snippet from that thing he produced where it was a write up, I think, that he did, where Epstein's brother Mark said that he was on the phone with Jeffrey Epstein, his brother, right before the Hillary Trump election in 2016. And allegedly, I mean, it's Michael Wolf. So take it with a grain of salt. He said that Epstein told his brother, if they knew what I know, they would cancel the whole election about Hillary and Trump. Okay, well, what, what, what, what would that be?

[A]

What do you.

[B]

Who knows? I mean, use your imagination. But just like Assuming like the, the levels of blackmail that he knew because Trump and Epstein were running around together for like 10 years, were really good friends. Okay.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that. I've seen pictures. I know there's pictures. I know that they were, they were at functions.

[B]

They were really tight for like 10 years.

[A]

You know what's funny is like, so Epstein gets caught the first time, right. You know, the first time he gets caught, it's like a sweetheart deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where basically like he slept at the jail. He comes in at 8 o' clock at night, sleeps there and leaves at 6 in the morning. Like, he's, he's really just hanging out. I mean, I, I, I, if, if you described that deal to me and told me that this type of a deal exists, I'd have told you you were lying. That's not possible. No court system would bend over that much for anybody, especially for that crime. So I was shocked. So that's shocking, right? The fact. Can you imagine the arrogance that you have to have? So keep in mind, he couldn't get the charges dropped. So it's not absolute power. They said you have to do something. Like, they're like, you've got to do something. We have to say something. You've got to be able to say that you went to prison. We can do. Or jail. That we can, we can do this. We can arrange it so it's not so bad for you, but we have to. So it's not 100% power for him. He didn't have everything. Like, oh, he's got so much stuff. We don't have enough to not get out of that charge. But he did have enough so that it wasn't harmful. But imagine this, the arrogance or the at least the confidence that you have to have that you can get out of almost everything thing is that you do that you now have that charge and you do it again. You do it. So again, on the like, I get it, he's a sick. But it's like how like I, I like it is kind of like, what do you have that you feel so. Or maybe it's not that. Maybe it's just you're so sick. You're so, you're, you're such a perv.

[B]

It's a combination of things, right? Like, he's definitely a sicko pervert, but he's also got a ton of money. He got super rich, coincidentally, right after. Which is weird. Maxwell died.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Who was the Pergamon press guy who was a triple agent for The Mossad. The KGB and MI6. And he died off his yacht and missed. And his, his wealth probably went to Jeffrey Epstein because that's right when Jeffrey Epstein got all his money, right? So you have that much money. You're connected to the CIA, you're connected to the Mossad. God, you're running around doing deals, funding civil wars in different countries with you're, you're emailing a hood Barack every day. You're flying around with Donald Trump, Bill.

[A]

Gates, you're texting senators, texting senators, getting blogs.

[B]

Probably have blackmail on so many powerful people. You have so much goddamn money.

[A]

But it wasn't like absolute though.

[B]

And then like, but right, it wasn't absolute, but you're flying as high as you can possibly fly. When it comes to human beings on this earth, you probably have more, a lot. You probably when it comes to like the limit of power, you can have.

[A]

Your top shelf, your top shelf, like.

[B]

You can do whatever you want, pretty much, pretty much kill whoever you want. You can get whatever prostitute you want. You can get whatever jet mansion you want. You can buy whatever island you want. So like, where does that end? End you. When you, like at some point, I, and I imagine it probably started in like the intelligence world, like just getting intel, getting blackmail. But it probably got. Got more and more wealth, got more and more power, got more and more leverage. Maybe he just got bored at one. At what point, at what point do you have so much control and so much money that you just get bored and just say, I'm going to fly even closer to the stage, son, and see how much more I can, I can push the boundaries of life or, or whatever.

[A]

My perversion. My perversion. I mean, because whatever it is, because at some point, like, he doesn't have enough power or know enough people or have enough blackmail information on people that when they're, when they started the investigation, he was able to shut it down. You see what I'm saying? Like, he still ended up getting found guilty.

[B]

He's still gotten people like Bill Gates to hang out with him after that.

[A]

Yeah, that's like you would think Bill Gates, I don't know. You know what's funny about that? Listen, listen to this. Like, in my mind, it's kind of like to me, I feel like if, because obviously the people that come to the, to the White House and meet with the President, like, he doesn't know necessarily these people, right? Like a lot of these people are. Or his secretary, or his vice president, secretary, whatever, his chief of staff, all these people coming and Say, listen, we have a guy, he owns this many factories, they produce this, this. We're trying to get it. He wants to talk to you about possibly getting a law passed, whatever it is. And then they come in like, he didn't really know this guy. These people vetted him. I always assume at least somebody's running a criminal background check, right? Like somebody. You're vetting him like, I don't know the guy. I'm trusting you, but I'm assuming to get in through the gate, they have to run a criminal background check at some point. But, like, Frank Amedeo met with George, George Bush. Like, I got photos of him in the Roosevelt Room with him, like, talking multiple times. There's multiple photos. Like, he's there, he's at the table with him, like he was a felon. Or I'll give you another example is, shoot. He was the chairman. He was head of the House of Representatives. What did they call that guy? Newt Gingrich was. He was head of, you know, Congress. I fucking, I'm getting so fucking old and it's late anyway. What do you call him, the guy who's head of, like, the Congress?

[B]

What, you know, he's the speaker of the House.

[A]

Thank you. Jesus God Almighty. Cut that out. Make me look smart. So. But yeah, he was. He was.

[B]

Mike Johnson's the current speaker of the House, right?

[A]

But this was, this was Newt Gingrich. This was back in the 80s, right? He was king for, like, whatever, 10 years or something. He was a Speaker of the House. And so he's got a whole group around him. Like, I, I, I'm interviewed by him. So for the home. Home Title Lock.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

They fly me in. I go walk in a room. I'm standing there with him. There's clearly bodyguards. There's his handlers, like, people that, like his assistant and other people for him. Like, there's. He's got an entourage, right? And there's the, the CEO or president, I'm not sure what he's called of Home Title lock. There's the other people. And I'm in the room with him, and he knows he's meeting with me. I shake his hand. We talk. And as we're talking, they introduce me and they explain that Mr. Cox did 13 years in federal prison for fraud. And this and this and this. And he kind of glances over, and you can see all these guys kind of glance. There's a quick glance between all of them, them. And I remember thinking to myself, like, he didn't know. He's he knew he was going to meet with someone, right? He knew they knew I was coming. They knew somebody was coming, but he didn't really know. But at some point you would have think that I've got a felony conviction and I'm shaking hands with this guy. Wouldn't someone have checked, Wouldn't someone have been watching out that I can get this close to this person? Like, like in general, if Bill Gates is meeting with someone, he can't say, I didn't know that you had to know. You have people that you know. So I think that they, that they would, they would do that, but I guess it doesn't always happen, right? So I would think that, you know, does that make sense? Like, I feel like they should. And I definitely feel like Bill Gates should, right? Or Zuckerberg or anybody they meet with. They would.

[B]

Well, you think, like, look, they're going to this. Like he's hanging out with Bill Clinton all the time. Like, of course I'm gonna go. Like, that's enough of a vetting. Like, if this guy's hanging out with Bill Clinton and whoever, all the other celebrities and Harvard scientists that were flying to his island, like legitimate people, like, it's kind of like diffusion of responsibility. Like, if all these people are going, what's it going to hurt for me to go? I know, but.

[A]

I know, but to me, I don't know.

[B]

But you're right. Bill Gates. There's no excuse for Bill Gates.

[A]

Yeah, there's no.

[B]

You know, it's funny, Bill Gates was also going through like a, like a problem with his wife at the time.

[A]

I mean, I get it, but I'm not going to hang out with a file.

[B]

So maybe Bill Gates was.

[A]

That's. Maybe that's possible. I forgot what I was going to say. It just, I jumped all over the place. I just immediately.

[B]

Epstein. It's speculated that Epstein was like super into. Him and Ghisan were really into like UFOs and find, like trying to find Atlantis and stuff like that. Like they had scientists coming in there, like anti gravity scientists.

[A]

Right?

[B]

People coming in there trying to figure out like some of this technology stuff. This like black budget technology stuff that like everyone like in mainstream media today, which is really weird. You know, Ghian was like, when she was young, she was interested in like oceanography and like she wanted to be a marine biologist. And she even met with Jacques Cousteau and was hanging out with Jacques Cousteau's daughter. She had a, a submarine called the Atlantis submarine. And her and Epstein would Go down in the submarine looking for, like, lost ruins of, like, ancient civilizations. They went to Cuba to meet with Castro to get permission to go study these ancient ruins off the coast of Castro and their Atlantis submarine. Like, they were looking for Atlantis like that. That some weird ess. They were into some, like, esoteric stuff. He was even into, like, witchcraft. He threatened. He threatened. I think it was the writer of the Vanity Fair article that he was going to do, like, voodoo on her if she wrote the article. These people are into some, like, wild.

[A]

Insanity.

[B]

We need the UFOs to come down and save us from all this. Matt Cox. I don't know.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. I'm sure.

[B]

What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do if the government comes out and says aliens are real? They've been living here the whole time. They're a breakaway civilization. They're future time. They're time travelers. They're us from the future.

[A]

I would like to think that they, they. They're. I don't know. I don't know if that's a good thing to say either, or think I was gonna say. I'd like to see there as. As confused as us, but I don't think they are. I think they probably have a much better idea of what's going on. But I could be wrong.

[B]

They're like gods.

[A]

Who knows? Well, I mean, what is that quote that any. Even a slightly advanced technology appears to be magic too. You know, it doesn't take much for something to look for. You know, for them it's science. It's. For them it's science. And for us, it's like, you know, it's magic. Like, oh, how did that happen? Like, I told you that the first time I might. My. My boss printed something the guy was working for at the time in the halfway house, printed out something off of his phone and printed it off using the WI fi.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I was like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, I printed. It's over there. I'm like, you didn't print anything. He's like, yeah, I did. Just. It's over there. It's on the printer. Yeah. And he's like, I just printed it. I'm like, you were standing right here. What are you talking? Like, I, I got up, I was getting irritated. Like, he's with me, and I know what WI fi was. I don't know what that is. They didn't have that in prison. But yeah, I just think that it's just. It's just. It's Boy, the world's bizarre. What. What are we talking about?

[B]

I think we're taking it home right now, Matt.

[A]

Are we?

[B]

We're going to bring it home.

[A]

Okay, well, how long we been talking?

[B]

We've been talking for two and a half hours.

[A]

Are you serious? Yeah, bro.

[B]

Can we.

[A]

What's going to do about Steven's hair? We. Steven needs a camera, but he does have to comb that hair. He has to get the hair under control and then he can be on camera.

[B]

What kind of haircut should he get? Think if you bring it, make it high and tight, get him a flat top.

[A]

I think he just needs some, some, some. Some product, you know, you rub in your hand and when he gets out of the shower, he slicks it back. He can slick it.

[B]

He just put in a good hairline. I mean, he's got nothing to hide.

[A]

He could pull off a man bun.

[B]

Not everybody man bun. No, don't do the.

[A]

I mean, I know, but look at his hair. It's long. He doesn't want to cut his hair. He clearly has.

[B]

At least, at least he doesn't. At least he doesn't smell.

[A]

He's an aversion to, to. To cut. Getting.

[B]

At least he takes the showers.

[A]

Yeah. What? Well, why wouldn't he take a shower.

[B]

Into the scruffy hair, man?

[A]

Well, yeah, it's fine. I just, I. If you're going to get on camera.

[B]

A lot of people that have hair. Most people that have hair like Stephen, you can smell them from a mile away.

[A]

No, they're homeless. So. But, you know, I mean, you know, but he's not homeless, right? He makes a good living.

[B]

Yeah, he takes care of himself. He's tired.

[A]

He gets out of.

[B]

I feel like he's got kids, man. He's got a big. He's got a lot of. He's got a lot responsibilities. I know.

[A]

I feel like Stephen rolls out of bed and stumbles and wipes, rubs his eyes and stumbles in the car and drives straight here. And, and when he's walking in, he's, he's still wearing, like, his slippers. And, and, and you're, you know, you've been to the, the. Sorry. Have you been to the, the movies lately?

[B]

Movie theater?

[A]

Movie theater.

[B]

Have not.

[A]

Yeah, listen, I mean, people walk in there, they're in their pajamas, they bring in pillows.

[B]

What are you gonna do? What are you supposed to wear a suit to the movie theater?

[A]

No, but you're, you're, you're wearing slippers, your pajamas and pillow, and you're curling up in, in the seat and watch. It's like, I don't know, like they're wearing like at least wear maybe a sweatsuit.

[B]

I don't like going, I mean, it's fun going to the, like my, the last movie I went to took my kid to like a movie because, you know, to give him the experience. But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's nostalgic to go to movie theaters, but I do it maybe once every two years.

[A]

Sheesh. Well, there's really, honestly, there's really just not great movies.

[B]

Well, that movie that you showed us looks great. The Hail Mary. That looks fantastic.

[A]

Or is it. I think it's 20. 20, 20, 2026. Is it going to be 2026 where the, the next Dune comes out?

[B]

Oh, I have no idea.

[A]

I, I love Dune. Yeah, I think it's 2026.

[B]

Your background was inspired by Dune.

[A]

I know it's trying to think the, what do they call him too? I, I, I've seen it 30 times.

[B]

Do you think the set's better than the spaceship?

[A]

Yeah, I don't know about the, the stained glass. I would have like stained glass only because I would have thought that you would have like to me, when I first walked in, just cuz of these things, things I actually first thought of Egyptian. I thought it like, like, but the stained glass is in Egyptian. Are you or is it just kind of a, a collection of different types of like. Did you have one look you were going for? Because to me this says like middle.

[B]

It was a bunch of looks we try to combine together.

[A]

Yeah. Like, this is like, like a medieval castle.

[B]

Yes, look. Yes, it's medieval stone. It looks Egyptian, but it's definitely, it's cathedral style.

[A]

This feels, this definitely feels Dune.

[B]

Yes, it does. Yeah. That was definitely a big inspiration. Like the colors and the, and the, the light shafts are Dune inspired. That's cathedral, obviously. And this is just. Every shot is unique. It's not all the same.

[A]

The table's great. The table.

[B]

Table was the table.

[A]

Very jealous.

[B]

I love this.

[A]

Who made the table? I don't know.

[B]

My contractor had a guy, a wood guy who made the table.

[A]

I might need him. The only reason I say this is because my table, I bought for $60. It was some, it was on offer up. Somebody had, it was like a, somebody was selling the table. They had lost the bolts, you know, for the legs. So I got it for 60 bucks. Because they lost the bolts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. And I pick it up and, you know, it flipped out, but it wasn't quite long enough. So I ended up. Eventually I altered it so it was more secure. It's super secure, but it is Ikea. And it's got water damage. Just, you know, people put their drinks.

[B]

On it and so, yeah, we'll get this guy.

[A]

Right? I don't need a whole table. I just need, like. I just need a. A veneer no thicker than that. Huh? You just need, like a small. No, no, I. I just need a new. A new top like this. This is amazing.

[B]

Stop being so cheap. Just get a new table or maybe.

[A]

Just make a whole new table. But I like my dimensions. That's my only problem. I like the dimensions.

[B]

I like. I love this because this is wider than my previous. Can you tell?

[A]

Yeah, it's wider than my. Not much.

[B]

A little bit. Six inches wider.

[A]

Oh, six inches. Makes a lot of difference from what I. You know, I've been told many times, I think that my table. I would actually, I. I like the dimensions of my table. It would be identical, but it would be like this. Because this is a great table.

[B]

This is white oak.

[A]

Well, I wouldn't want a white oak. I think I'd want them to stain it because I. I've got a dark kind of mahogany thing going. Yeah, but he could do. He could. This guy could obviously do anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Although, look at these.

[B]

You see the logo on the front? Look.

[A]

Is that what it is? It's a logo?

[B]

My logo.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Stainless steel.

[A]

That. See, you went all in. Here's the thing. I actually had a guy on the podcast who had offered to. He did iron work. He had offered to make me a whole table, which I had said prison.

[B]

Bar style, like a prison table.

[A]

I would just want them to do the same thing I had. But I had just kind of finished my table. This was like, two years ago. I was like, no, no. I was like, I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. And he's like, bro. He's like, I'm offering it. He said, it's free. I'll do it for free. Like, just because I watch your stuff all the time. And he. I'd had him on the program and. And he's like, I'll even put, like, your logo in the front if you want. And I was like, no, I like it. It's simple.

[B]

Your theme is true crime.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why don't you make it look like this? Jail cell?

[A]

Because I. I like. I like my look. It's simple. It's very simple. I'm not trying to do anything Cheesy I just, I want a simple, clean, right? I just want a new table. I tried to look up this guy, tried to call him because I had him on the program. He had a video. He got decent like two or two years ago. He got like 40 or 50,000. It was good. His phone number's like, I've texted him two or three times. It doesn't go through. Like, I've called it. I don't know what happened to him. I don't know how to get in touch with him. So I don't know what happened to him. Like, he's a guy who committed a bunch of crimes. Drugs, drug addict, everything goes to prison, gets out, started his life over. He was making great money and suddenly he just kind of disappeared. So I was going to try and go to him and say, hey, look, I will take that table. Because it was stupid for me to say no, but you know, to ask people for stuff, right? You ever get like that? And so, and now I'm in a position where I was like, I could have asked him to do it and I'll. And if, and I could say, hey, and I'll pay you, but I'd like to have this guy do it. Like, I can do woodwork. But I, I, this is great. I can't do this and I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to get to it.

[B]

You're doing great, Matt. You don't have to do, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Thanks again, man. This has been a super fun conversation. Our, our once a year Christmas special. It's been a blast. Matt Cox, true crime. I don't need to plug you. You're bigger than me now. I need to plug your website.

[A]

Listen, I'm three, three months away. We are literally, if we stay currently where we're at by the end of February, mid to end of February, million subscribers. We should be at a million subscribers because we're, we're like 8, 60 something now.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[B]

Merry Christmas, everybody.

[A]

Everybody, Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah and have a good night.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Is it.

[B]

What, how does it go? Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

[A]

To all a good night. Thank you and to all a good night.

[B]

Good night everybody.