Danny Jones Podcast #364

Neurosurgeon Describes Live Alien He Examined In Brazil | James Fox
Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Danny Jones
Guest: James Fox (Documentary Filmmaker, UFO Researcher)
Main Theme:
A deep-dive into the investigation behind the Varginha UFO incident in Brazil—the stunning testimony of a neurosurgeon alleged to have examined a live extraterrestrial being, efforts to corroborate and publicize this case, and the broader challenges around government disclosure, skepticism, and the pursuit of truth.

Episode Overview

This episode centers on James Fox’s relentless, years-long investigation into the 1996 Varginha incident, where witnesses in Brazil—including a respected neurosurgeon—claim to have seen, and in one case examined, a live non-human being after a reported UFO crash. James shares details from his new film “Moment of Contact: New Revelations,” including exclusive interviews, behind-the-scenes efforts to verify testimony, pushback from both military and medical establishments, and the personal cost of pursuing such an explosive story. There are also deep discussions on misinformation, government secrecy, skepticism, and the evolving public conversation about UFOs/UAPs.

Table of Contents

1. Background & Introduction
2. The Neurosurgeon's Testimony
3. Tracking Down Witnesses & The Video
4. Bacterial Infection & The Death of Officer Marco Chereze
5. Efforts to Bring Testimony to the US
6. Skepticism, Criticism, and the Human Element
7. Government Disclosure, FOIA Battles & Media Apathy
8. Broader Reflections: Truth, Secrecy, and the Unknown
9. Notable Quotes
10. Key Timestamps

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1. Background & Introduction

• Danny welcomes James Fox, immediately referencing his new documentary "Moment of Contact: New Revelations" and the impactful final scene involving the Brazilian neurosurgeon’s emotional description of examining an extraterrestrial.
• The Varginha Incident (1996): Local reports of a crashed UFO in Varginha, Brazil, with multiple alleged witness accounts—including military and civilian personnel—of live and dead non-human beings.
• Over the past 16+ years, James Fox has returned to Brazil multiple times, compiling testimony, vetting witnesses, and striving for corroborating evidence.
  • James: “If this story is true—and I'm ready to put my life on it that it is—[then] this is the biggest story ever...” (25:03)
• Skepticism surrounds the case due to both its extraordinary claims and the climate of ridicule/disinformation that plagues UFO research.

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2. The Neurosurgeon's Testimony (Dr. Italo)

• Dr. Italo, a highly respected Brazilian neurosurgeon, is at the center of the film’s revelations.
  • Initially only rumored to have seen a video of the creature, not the being itself.
  • Following a health crisis (heart attack, cancer), Dr. Italo decided not to "take this story to the grave."
• Dramatic Secret Meeting:
  • After years of covert contacts, James and his team finally meet Italo, who unexpectedly admits on camera to physically examining a live non-human being in Regional Hospital’s ICU.
    • “I swear that I will share is the truth and nothing but the truth. … I saw the being. Say what you want, joke, mock, but I saw him lying there in front of me. ... This is what changes the very concept of humanity.” (13:12-15:30)
• Description of the Being:
  • Looked like a 7-year-old child, teardrop-shaped head, lilac and teardrop shaped eyes, calm, not aggressive or in pain; appeared deeply intelligent and "like an angel."
  • Dr. Italo's sworn statement reverberated as the emotional climax of James's documentary.
• Institutional and personal risks:
  • Dr. Italo’s confession jeopardizes his career, his reputation among peers and the public, and his livelihood.
  • James: “What is he lying to? Not fully on camera, not asking me for a dime. ... Why on earth would he do that in his twilight years?” (10:59)

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3. Tracking Down Witnesses & The Holy Grail Video

• Early Efforts:
  • Fox and his Brazilian partner, Marco Leal, pursue every rumored firsthand witness and every possible scrap of "the video" that allegedly shows the live creature.
  • Marco is "boots on the ground" and, like James, has faced enormous personal risk.
  • Many witnesses are slippery—“like trying to grab a bar of soap in the bathtub” (05:34).
• Military and Hospital Witness Testimonies:
  • Confirms creature(s) were moved between facilities under heavy secrecy.
  • Witness intimidation and deaths (e.g., fellow neurosurgeon died suddenly, others suffered mysterious circumstances).
• Barriers to Testimony:
  • Deep reluctance among current and former hospital staff: risks to reputation, professional consequences, and military/mob-like suppression.
  • Use of threats, surveillance, and sometimes interference from higher authorities.

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4. Bacterial Infection & The Death of Officer Marco Chereze

• Officer Chereze’s Fate:
  • Police/military officer Marco Chereze captured the living being with his bare hands, received a scratch, and died days later.
  • Forensic pathologists and Dr. Giannini (IPD Labs) assert a never-before-seen bacteria (possibly from under the being’s fingernail) caused an untreatable infection.
    • “I've never seen bacteria not respond to what I did ever before or since.” (23:24)
• Consistent Witness Accounts:
  • The being excreted an oily residue, smelled of sulfur and ammonia, and experienced obvious distress from Brazil’s heat.
  • Autopsy and tissue samples analyzed; pathologists say, “I've never seen anything like [this bacteria].” (07:29, 19:45)
• Parallel Witness Descriptions:
  • Young girls who first saw the being describe it as cowering and afraid, its skin at times brownish and oily from the sun.

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5. Efforts to Bring Testimony to the US - National Press Club Event

• Historic Press Club Event (Jan 20, 2026):
  • James orchestrated bringing Dr. Italo and other key medical witnesses (supported by their own families and other doctors) to testify in Washington, DC.
  • James: “I involved members of Congress…State Department…tried to get the visa applications…I bought his ticket, I got his visa…” (12:01)
  • US government denied most visas, but statements and testimony (including sworn video) will be presented at the event.
• Support From Local Community:
  • The mayor and medical establishment in Varginha are increasingly rallying in support of whistleblowers; screenings and advocacy efforts to safeguard and encourage witnesses.
• Goal: Leverage these testimonies, plus new film evidence, to push for a full Congressional investigation into the Varginha incident and US military involvement in the retrieval of the crashed craft and beings.

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6. Skepticism, Criticism, and the Human Element

• James’s Personal Struggle:
  • Years of investigation have strained his family life, friendships, and career: “It's like witnessing a murder—you can’t just walk away.” (25:03)
  • Mindful of not becoming a zealot or proselytizer, but driven by a need for truth and justice for witnesses.
• Trust-Building With Witnesses:
  • Earned over years through human relationships, defending them against public backlash or governmental pressure.
  • “I want people to know I’ve got their backs. … It was like you had all of our backs.” (29:24-31:43)
• Dealing With Ridicule and Disinformation:
  • Government and cultural apparatus have long used “policy of ridicule” to keep the phenomenon marginalized (Roberson Panel, etc.).
  • James: “It's okay to say we don't know what the hell is going on. … I'd like to know.” (76:41)

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7. Government Disclosure Battles, FOIA Frustrations & Media Apathy

• Ongoing FOIA Battles:
  • Extensive efforts to get US Air Force flight logs showing the transport of crashed material/biologics to Campinas, Brazil (allegedly with American involvement).
  • After years, requests were denied by the CIA citing national security (38:42).
  • “I thought they were going to yield some results...It’s just a flight log.” (35:39)
• Media Apathy and the Age of Disclosure:
  • US media largely ignores even the most credible, sworn testimony if it falls outside of official government “narratives.”
  • “It's almost like, it can't be, therefore it isn't. ... Don't take it from me—just watch the movie and draw your own conclusions.” (33:42)
• Calls for Congressional Action:
  • Advocates for open testimony by whistleblowers, with some form of immunity to permit public, on-the-record revelation.
  • Highlights the inconsistency in how the press investigates serious claims—sexual, political, or regarding UFOs.
  • James: “Let’s at least prove this wrong. Let’s launch a congressional investigation!” (26:46)

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8. Broader Reflections: Truth, Secrecy, and the Unknown

• Fox’s Investigative Philosophy:
  • Extreme perseverance: “I never give up.” (120:48)
  • Willing to admit “I don’t know”—and skeptical of quick “ET” labels.
  • Cautious around individuals or stories that reek of disinformation.
• The Human Side of the Phenomenon:
  • Encounters often transform or traumatize witnesses—several freeze during recollection; some never recover.
  • Witnesses from multiple incidents (Varginha, Phoenix Lights, Zimbabwe Ruwa case) describe beings as “calm, non-threatening,” sometimes “angelic,” but others in the intelligence community warn of unknown “intent.”
• Disinformation & Government Manipulation:
  • Historical programs (MK Ultra, Robertson Panel, Mirage Men) serve as cautionary tales about discrediting, muddying the waters, and psychological operations.
• Scientific & Philosophical Musings:
  • Discusses rarity of human-like intelligence on Earth, time travel models, and the possibility of both extraterrestrial and ultraterrestrial origins.
  • The need for humility and relentless curiosity: “Maybe we're dealing with all of the above, right?...I’d love to know.” (103:00)

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9. Notable Quotes

• Dr. Italo’s Declaration (Sworn Statement – 13:12):

  “I swear that I will share is the truth and nothing but the truth. ... In 1996... was called to see a patient. Getting there, I realized it was a being not of this planet... Conscious, no pain, very calm and tranquil... Eyes weren't red, they were lilac and teardrop shaped, looking at me very calmly... He seemed to understand... A beautiful gaze, without judgment... I saw the being. Say what you want, joke, mock, but I saw him lying there in front of me. ... This is what changes the very concept of humanity.”

• James Fox – On the Importance of the Case (28:23):

  “Show me one case where we have extremely credible testimony—telepathic, face-to-face communication with an alien in captivity.”

• On Trust & Witness Pressure (29:24/31:43):

  “He was getting messed with, threatened to take his job away... so I put out a video, like, even if you don't believe him...respect this individual... he's dedicated his life to helping people...If any military personnel are considering paying him a visit, I will dedicate the rest of my life to find out who you are and expose you.”

• On FOIA Denial (38:42):

  “Three years to get a response. The response came from the CIA: ‘Your request is denied...We can neither confirm nor deny those records...’”

• On the Need for Public Disclosure (58:17):

  “Let's not believe them, but let's chase it down. Why not? The implications are so profound.”

• On the Phenomenon’s Mystery (76:41):

  “It's okay to say I don't know what the hell is going on...there's clearly a phenomenon happening globally...It's under intelligent control. ... We don’t need to claim we know exactly what it is.”

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10. Key Timestamps (H:M:SS)

• [00:42-01:32] – Danny’s reaction to the documentary; impact of the neurosurgeon’s testimony.
• [01:32-05:33] – James describes the challenges and methods of tracking the elusive video/witnesses; background on Dr. Italo.
• [05:33-06:37] – Health crises prompt Dr. Italo to come forward; challenges of being a medical professional tied to UFO claims.
• [09:43-12:05] – The ICU interview: Dr. Italo finally admits firsthand alien encounter.
• [13:12-15:30] – Full reading of Dr. Italo’s sworn testimony (subtitled in documentary; played and discussed).
• [19:52-24:00] – Medical testimony about officer’s bacterial infection from captured being.
• [29:24-31:43] – Human side: earning trust and defending witnesses; building community support.
• [35:24-39:11] – FOIA saga for US military flight logs; CIA’s refusal.
• [58:04-62:38] – Deep frustration with official secrecy, calls for Congressional testimony, national and global implications.
• [70:33-72:08] – Investigative rigor: vetting controversial witnesses, avoiding poisoning the well, humility in reporting.
• [76:41-78:53] – Accepting the unknown; multiple forms/origins of the phenomenon.
• [120:48-131:48] – Reflections on the endless nature of the investigation, commitment to never give up on the truth.
• [174:20-176:50] – Closing: event preparations for the National Press Club, personal costs, and summing up the significance.

Tone & Style

• Authentic, determined, skeptical but open-minded.
• James Fox: Methodical, precise, careful not to make unsupported claims; passionate about protecting witnesses; deeply human in his vulnerabilities and reflections.
• Danny Jones: Informed, probing, grounded, shares skepticism but is emotionally moved by testimony.

Summary Takeaway

James Fox’s investigation, as detailed in this episode, presents the Varginha incident as perhaps the most thoroughly vetted and compelling non-American UFO case of the last 30 years. The crux is the courageous, career-ending testimony of a reputed neurosurgeon who claims direct, empathetic contact with a tranquil, intelligent, non-human being—an account that has now been sworn on video and will be presented to the world and Congress.

Fox’s work builds a case not from speculation, but from relentless human investigation—relying on trust, persistence, and empathy for witnesses whose lives have been uprooted by what they saw. Amidst government obfuscation, media indifference, and enduring ridicule, Fox and his colleagues press for one thing: a fair opportunity for the public, and eventually lawmakers, to decide for themselves.

“If even one of these people is telling the truth—just one—then this is the most important story in human history.” (28:23)

End of Summary