#390 - "There's an ESCAPE Hatch" New Details Inside Epstein's Prison Cell | Julian Dorey

Summary

Danny Jones Podcast #390: "There's an ESCAPE Hatch" New Details Inside Epstein's Prison Cell | Julian Dorey

Date: April 24, 2026
Guest: Julian Dorey
Description: Danny Jones reconnects with returning guest, podcaster, and Epstein deep diver Julian Dorey for a conversational deep-dive into conspiracy, media, society, boomer legacies, and especially breaking new details around Jeffrey Epstein’s prison cell and the culture of secrecy at the elite level.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a winding, energetic, often darkly comic exploration of everything from generational divides and podcasting grinds to the heart of new developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Danny and Julian bring their signature cynicism and wit, blending personal anecdotes with world-weary analysis of power, conspiracy, and the accelerating weirdness of modern society.

The highlight: Julian shares behind-the-scenes revelations about Epstein's jail cell, including the existence of an “escape hatch” not reflected in official schematics—fueling even more questions about Epstein's fate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catch-Up & The State of Podcasting

[00:36–06:25]

• Warm reunion between Danny & Julian, discussing the last four years, frequent phone podcasts, and adjusting to in-person conversation again.
• Light personal banter about family, sleep deprivation, Florida vs. New Jersey, and vitamin D.
• Both reflect on the relentless output demanded by podcasting:

  “You just got to keep pumping every single week. It’s like you put one out and you’re on to the next one.” — Julian (03:10)

Social Disconnection, Tech, and Dystopia

[06:25–13:38]

• Dire jokes about the AI-chipped, “Neuralinked” future; society more aware than ever of dystopian threats.
• Julian highlights the moment as a "fulcrum point":

  “…people used to be able to do all this stuff strictly behind closed doors. Now…you got citizen journalists harassing them outside places, as they should…” — Julian (06:46)

• Discussion of information overload, constant crises, and how most people feel disenfranchised yet obsessed.

Sports, Escapism & Media Saturation

[13:38–18:38]

• Fond memories of a pre-pandemic, sports-focused, tuned-out lifestyle.

  “I was probably the happiest…I was tuned out to everything. It was just watching basketball, doing my own thing, having fun with my friends…” — Danny (11:04)

• Julian argues for healthy escapism but warns against obsessing over every news cycle.

Citizen Journalism & Documentary Work

[18:38–23:42]

• Stories about “Tommy G” (noted documentary creator) and the notorious “NYC Swim Team,” a group of outlaw drivers—reflections on adrenaline, vice, underground subcultures.
• Risks and ethics of documenting illegal or dangerous scenes; the trickiness of context when editing interviews.

On-the-Ground Truth vs. Media Narratives

[24:05–29:54]

• Echo the refrain: “You don’t know unless you go yourself.” Media (even podcasts) offer only a "thin ass layer of reality.”

  “Unless you can take a video camera and go show it and talk to people…you have...a thin ass layer of reality.” — Danny (24:58)

• Shoutouts to citizen journalists like “Arab,” who was kidnapped in Haiti and reported live, plus the aftermath of social media’s role in activism and chaos.

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The Epstein Cell Revelation

Rebuilding the Cell for Discovery Channel

[36:02–44:57]

• Julian recalls being filmed for a Discovery Channel special recreating Epstein’s cell, led by intelligence veteran Andy Bustamante:

  "He had rebuilt his cell? And he goes, bar for bar, word for word…I was like, okay.” — Julian (39:53)

• Creepy attention to detail: pill bottles, books, torn sheets—all matched to DOJ crime scene photos.

THE ESCAPE HATCH BOMBSHELL

[43:13–45:58]

• Bustamante walks Julian through a feature of Epstein’s cell—a mysterious, non-schematic “part” not found in any other cell:

  “There is a part…when you look at a construction layout of the prison, that…the official prison had prior to the day that Jeffrey Epstein died…there’s a part of the cell that is not on that schematic and is the only cell that has something that is not on the schematic. And basically, it is a very useful part.” — Julian (43:43)

• Julian (and the production) speculate: was this a literal “escape hatch”?
• FBI documentation and DOJ photos of cell were misleading, allegedly showing the wrong cell to the public.

Notable Quote:

“He basically started very matter of factly explaining exactly how to get him out of this prison…and how…it doesn’t require many people.” — Julian (45:17)

• Julian recounts shifting from skepticism to genuine shock after seeing the cell:

  “In this moment…no, I don’t think you’re crazy. And I think…I think [Epstein]’s alive." — Julian (46:00)

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Palm Beach Pete—Epstein Doppelganger Virality

[46:24–51:06]

• Cultural circus around “Palm Beach Pete”—an Epstein lookalike who’s gone viral on TV, cameo, and podcasts.
• Lightly macabre humor on the nature of American celebrity and gallows culture.

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Power, CIA, and The Superstructure of Secrecy

CIA, Pardons, and Hidden Power

[52:04–62:31]

• Freewheeling discussion about pardons (like John Kiriakou’s ongoing saga), the legacy of John Brennan, CIA torture programs, the men behind “enhanced interrogation,” and the fundamental lack of self-awareness among history’s worst actors.

• “I would have loved to just be the fly that, like, sat on the back of Sidney Gottlieb’s suit without him knowing it for 10 years…” — Julian (62:31)

Generational Morality, Boomer Legacy, and The Spinning of Power

[63:10–69:48]

• Reflecting on the Dulles Brothers, Jolly West, and how generational privilege, self-delusion, and lack of checks create monsters.
• Optimistic arc: despite setbacks, “good” progresses across generations, aided by increased transparency.

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Information, Bubbles, and The Futility of Faith in Politicians

[75:05–89:11]

• Secrets vs. increased access to information; the Streisand effect and Streisand’s boomer generation.
• George Carlin quote on ego, ideas, and defensive bubbles (“You get challenged, you don’t hear disagreement, you hear an attack…” [88:01])
• Critique of the political spectacle:

  “It’s all a sham, politically speaking...It’s bread and circus for the masses to fight over things that don’t matter.” — Julian (78:45)

The Uniparty, Foreign Policy, & Nixon’s Realism

[80:21–83:32]

• Anecdote: When Jimmy Carter asked living presidents for advice, Nixon alone admitted that foreign policy, not domestic, was the true lever of power.

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Boomer vs. Millennial/American Dream

[101:02–107:29]

• Rant about the boomer generation’s privilege, millennial/Gen Z disadvantages, and the collapse of the classic “American dream.”

• “The actions…have occurred and the passive attitude…has allowed this [‘kick the can’] to manifest.” — Julian (106:08)

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Cultural Manipulators: Steve Bannon & the Supra-Government

[137:52–150:21]

• Untangling Steve Bannon’s mysterious role: financier of Seinfeld, “chaos agent,” tentacles everywhere, “fixer class” for the true rulers of the world.

• “He is the Forrest Gump of culture and where culture clashes with political ideology…” — Julian (147:10)

• Discuss if Epstein worked for Mossad, or vice versa; how the “fixer class” (à la Mike Ehrmantraut from Breaking Bad) is the fulcrum manipulating the visible tiers of power.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Mass Conspiratorial Trauma:

  "…now the conspiracies are blending in with reality, and it’s muddying the water even more…” — Danny (152:58)

• On Being Wrong:

  “One of the most freeing things ever is being able to say, wow, I’ve seen better evidence—I was wrong.” — Julian (88:38)

• On Change vs. Cynicism:

  “People put way too much…faith in some individual wearing a suit…on a Tuesday in November, than they really have the power to do…” — Julian (83:51)

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• 36:02 — Recreating Epstein’s cell for Discovery; set-up for the jail cell revelations.
• 43:13 — “Escape hatch” detail: Epstein’s cell had a unique, unrecorded, physical feature.
• 45:17 — Theory for how Epstein could have been extracted from prison.
• 46:24 — Viral phenomenon of Palm Beach Pete (Epstein lookalike).
• 52:04 — Kiriakou’s pardon saga, critique of John Brennan, and CIA torture architects.
• 75:31 — Discussion on the limits of transparency and enduring secrets.
• 83:51 — The futility of faith in politicians.
• 137:52 — Deep dive into Steve Bannon’s shadowy history, “fixer class” theory, and speculation about supra-governmental power.
• 150:21 — Epstein's intelligence ties; who controlled whom?
• 154:31 — Open vs. suppressed disclosure—would society actually implode?
• 157:33 — Summary reflections; Julian’s appreciation for the friendship and independent grind.

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Takeaways

• Epstein Case: New details, specifically a physical “escape hatch” in the prison cell, only deepen suspicion and destroy confidence in the official narrative. Both guests are left genuinely shocked and convinced the public has still not been told the true story.
• Media & Power: Podcasts are a critical alternative, but even they provide only a “thin layer of reality” without first-hand evidence. The web of power is thicker, murkier, and more self-serving than most want to believe.
• Generational Critique: The boomers benefited immensely from timing and systemic advantages, leaving Generation X, Millennials, and Gen Z struggling with the “American Dream.” But increased transparency and information gives reason for a cautious optimism.
• Resilience Through Satire & Friendship: Amid this darkness, both hosts advocate maintaining humor, supporting each other, and refusing to hand your well-being over to the choc-a-block chaos of news and officialdom.

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This episode is rich, chaotic, and full of gallows humor, balancing hard revelations with a human touch. Whether you came for Epstein exposés, shadow-government conspiracy talk, or just to hear two veteran podcasters riff on the dissolution of the American Dream, it’s got critical context, brutal honesty, and an encouraging belief that curiosity and skepticism still matter.

Transcript

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Did you really think it was real?

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My favorite. My favorite look of all time that you've ever had was in the beginning of your show when you had it coming out the back of the. The hat.

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Yeah, it was down to here.

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Burnett. Kid Rock.

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But with the. You didn't have the same hat. You had the Phillies hat. He didn't wear a Phillies hat.

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He did not wear a Philly.

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I'm trying. I'm trying, man. It's. I mean, you know what it is? You just got to keep pumping every single week. It's like you put one out and you're on to the next one. Yeah, but it's a fun job.

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Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely a lot different. A lot different. Doing so many podcasts. You know, it's like, you don't especially. I mean, you're doing like three a week. I'm only doing like two a week. But still, it's just. Just rinse. The. The whole rinse and repeat aspect of it of just showing up and trying to. Trying to stay in the zone and have conversations with people. It's like. It's the only thing that keeps me sane. It's like, it keeps me. It keeps me accountable because I have to be accountable to the people that are coming on the show. I was like, I gotta show up here and I gotta be somewhat awake.

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You got the star waking you up all night back at home. That's the problem.

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40 minutes?

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A full 40.

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Well, you got this zero caffeine, whatever. To not help you out, apparently.

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Yeah, no, I got. My wife made me a beautiful espresso and orange juice.

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Keep me alive.

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at how it, like, look at the filtration in that too. Get it down low. And if you leave.

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If you leave the espresso, if you pour the espresso early when it's still cold, and then you dump the orange juice in and then put the espresso on top, it leaves that little line there. It makes it look fun.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he's been. The middle kid's been waking you up every night, all night?

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Yeah, no, he. Wait, we put him to bed and he's back in our bed. We put him to bed at 8. He's back in our bedroom at 9:30, maybe 10 at the earliest. And then we put him back in his bed. He'll be back in our bed at midnight.

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Two hours, bro.

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He's high maintenance. It's okay.

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He is all. Both the other kids sleep like angels. It's just a star, but.

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Yeah, that's my retirement plan. Yeah, when he's 18.

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Yeah, I'm lucky.

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He's becoming a great actor.

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That's what we're doing.

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I'll be his agent. This kid, if you have not seen his middle kid, he's got the dome up there. It's like the tenth planet.

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He's growing into it.

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He's got issues, bro. He's got issue. He's got. I mean, every middle child has issues. You don't know. You're an only child. You don't know.

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No, but I have heard that a ton.

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Yeah.

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So he's experiencing the trauma of that. And that's gonna be useful later, that trauma? Yes. In Hollywood.

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Yes.

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There's not gonna be no Hollywood when he grows up, bro. When he grows up, it's just gonna be AI hell. And everything's going to be dolls everywhere and AI everywhere. And social media, bro.

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Social.

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Like the social media we know today is going to be Like a forgotten thing. We're going to be tapped in with our minds.

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Jokes aside. You're right, man. I don't know what it's going to look like, but it's going to be very, very different.

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We're not going to be able to. We're not even going to be able to. To think our own thoughts anymore, bro. It's just going to be. We wake up and then we're going to have just news headlines piped into our heads on a subscription model, something.

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It's gonna be a neuralink, just pounding it right here.

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Yeah, I don't know. What? I don't know, dude. It's just gonna. I can't imagine it's gonna be good.

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Well, I think now's the moment where people are more aware of that potential type dystopia thing in the future than they ever would have been in the past. You know what I mean? Like, and it's the time right now to shine a light on the people who want that. And I mean, the bad people. The bad people in charge. The people we've seen in that Epstein class, the people that are in charge of the technocracies and all that. And I do feel like this can be a real fulcrum point rather than like this giant, holy shit, everything's fucked. Which it's easy to feel that way. I certainly feel that way sometimes looking at this, especially since no one's in prison for things like the Epstein stuff. But, like, you know, these people used to be able to do all this stuff strictly behind closed doors now, you know, you got citizen journalists harassing them outside places as they should, you know, appropriately. Don't punch them or anything. Don't give them what they want. But, you know, certainly ask these people what the fuck they're doing. Why are you trying to take technology and invade our privacy? Why are you using the politicians that you buy to legislate in things very quietly in the middle of a bunch of other legislature that's gonna lead to that potential fucking future where you're waking up and you're chipped in the head.

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Like, you're saying, yeah, I feel like the more headlines I read and the more Twitter I scroll, I just feel like the more my brain is fucked. Yeah, all the news and all the headlines and it's all about another fucking country. Some shit that we're so disconnected from. Like, are we supposed to give a fuck about that? Are we supposed to give a flying f. Ck about some like. Like, religious extremists fighting with some private Industrial, like, war companies that make missiles and. And people that are getting paid to do all, like, it's so. It's too much, bro. We're not supposed to pay attention to this kind of. It's not. Not health.

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You liked.

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It's not healthy. I don't. I don't think it's healthy. I just don't. At least not for me.

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When people make it the entire meaning of their lives and, you know, they do a job that's completely separate from that, I think that's unhealthy. But I think some of the awareness, even if it's like a whipamarole here to where people went from living in a society where you weren't aware of any of this stuff to now, like, holy shit. I can't take my eyes off it because I can see it all the time. That's not healthy. But if you can kind of pull it back to a place where you know what's going on, you know what you're voting for, and your vote probably doesn't really matter that much, but you at least know what's going in there and how things are affected around the world. And more of the average person understands that maybe the future will be slightly different. Maybe you move that, you know, estuary possibility that could go this way or that way, and you just slightly move it off this way instead of the bad way. I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I don't know. We're podcasters. What are we gonna do about it?

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Yeah. I don't know, bro. I was listening to this thing this morning. I was like. I was sitting in the sauna, and I was listening to this LeBron James meditation app thing, and he's talking about. He was talking about. Remember in. When they were playing the fucking. It was. He was on the Cavs 2015. They were on their way to the finals. They were. I think it was the second round. They were playing the Bulls, and I think it was game four. And they were down two to one and LeBron. I don't know if. Did you watch that series?

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I remember all those years. I'm trying to remember this series, though. I can't place it. This is after D. Rose long after he blew out.

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Yeah.

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So Jimmy Butler's the guy now.

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Jimmy Butler's the guy.

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Yeah.

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And it was. They were down two to one and it was game four. If they would have lost this game, they would have been down three to one, and there was, like, five seconds on the clock or whatever, and Della. Della Dova was passing it in from out of bounds. And LeBron did that thing where he sprints across the court, tries to lose Jimmy Butler, because Jimmy Butler's on him and he catches the ball and he's sprinting down that little gap between out of bounds and the three point line. You know where the bench is. He's like sprinting down there and he's like right inside the three point line and he just jumps up and throws it like that and it goes in.

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I feel like I was there, dude.

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I remember it like it was yesterday. I was. Because that like. And they won it by one point. And that was when they came. That was the same year that they beat the, the Golden State warriors when they were down three to one.

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So that you're talking about 2016, then that was. No, I want to say they won in 2016 for sure. I know that Golden State won their first one.

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That was 26.

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That 20 Golden State won in, in the 2014, 2015 season. They beat the Cavs for did.

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I think this was the 2015. So they may have lost to the, to the, to the Gold State that year. Yeah, but like, I get the point I was getting at like was like that time, at that point in history, I was not paying attention to anything but sports and NBA and. And only the. In my life. And that's the point. I think I was probably the happiest. I. I mean, kids aside, the kids, my kids make me happier than anything. But like at that point in my life when I was tuned out, I was tuned out to everything. It was just fudgeing. Watching basketball, like, doing my own thing, having fun with my friends, surfing, skating. And like, it wasn't until after that I got woken up to all this crazy shit.

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Well, the pandemic happened and that changed the world a couple years after that. It changed the world in every way. For all the things that came after it. That technically, I guess had nothing to do with the pandemic, but really everything kind of has to do with the that. And I think there is something to be said for that. The other end of it is like, I'd be reminiscing. Right.

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Man, I missed that part of my life.

[A]

But that's what I'm saying. Like, the one. One end of it is like, all right, well, is that just bread and circus and we're not supposed to pay pay attention to anything. The other end of it is like, is that healthy? I think it's healthy. I love sports. I think it should be amazing to be able to escape from something I can't stand when you go on Twitter and a sports game's on and you got all these on there, commenting about whether or not someone did something that they liked or. And racism fucking tag on their jersey. I don't give a fuck. I'm here to watch thumpity thumpty thump. Boom. I don't want to think about it. I'm with you. But at the same time, you know, we're at that moment in the fourth turning where there's just a lot of shit hitting the fan and it. And it does suck, but I think, like, the perspective for someone like you, like, looking in your seat like you got the great things in life figured out. You got the family, you got the kids, you're happy, great marriage, good house, bills paid, you've made your own way completely self created from the beginning. Being a great filmmaker and documentarian, eventually also becoming a great podcaster and building that. You built this from the ground up. Like, that's a pretty fucking amazing thing.

[B]

And a little bit of money from Israel helped.

[A]

A little bit of money from Israel. You got your $7,000 check every week,

[B]

but still, you know, much keeps the lights on.

[A]

You know, it keeps the lights on. But like now there's times where in the course of your job, like, you know, it's kind of like that Tommy G. Quote I always say, where you can't boil the ocean, but you boil your pot. Like, there's a part of it where you're boiling your pot a little bit, where you, you're covering things that really fucking matter and you're not gonna be perfect, but you try to do the best job so the people out there can decide for themselves. I mean, I think that's. I think that's a pretty cool thing. If there's one part about the job that can get somewhat serious sometimes, like, sometimes it's those really, really big stories like that, and there's a lot of us in the industry who cover it. But yeah, I think if you're getting totally wrapped up in it and you're just waking up every morning and thinking about who the fucking President of the United States is and whether or not that or hate that, you should probably prioritize your life a little more.

[B]

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[A]

There's a guy online, I forget his fucking name, but I clocked it maybe like three years ago, I want to say. And basically his thing is he's an ex conspiracy theorist. Now he went hard the other way, meaning he believes anything now that the government will tell him. And everything that's ever happened is not a conspiracy. Which, to be clear, I completely disagree with him in that way. The reason I clocked it and started tracking it to see what it was is because I think it's an interesting pattern in that there are a lot of people over the last. In different tranches, if you will. Different things push different people down the lens of really looking into things. But over the past five, 10, 15 years, as the Internet really, really grew and became the thing, there are all these people who suddenly really got completely wired up to where the whole meaning of their life was every fucking crisis that was happening, that the Illuminati was personally taken care of and doing their thing. And while on some of those cases, I mean, it's clear we can see these Epstein emails, like, they're right to be very clear. What's gonna end up happening, I think with some people, and this is what I saw with this guy, why I'm bringing him up, is that they're gonna get five years down the line, 10 years down the line, they're gonna be stuck in the same job or a worse job. They're gonna hate their wife more than they did 10 years ago, if they have one. They're gonna be fucking miserable because they're worried about things that aren't like the happiness source of their life so much that they have no control over at the end of the day. And they're going to be like, I got to check out from this shit. So I think, like, at a moment like this, especially where there are so many things that are being proven true that are objectively horrific in every way, we also got to be careful to not just, you know, fucking fire Elmo meme it and just be like, everything's doomsday. I need to worry about every single thing that Benjamin Netanyahu said since 7 o' clock this morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if I don't My day's fucked. Like, yeah, you can't totally be like that. Like, we are in an industry where we cover that more. Like, it's a little bit of our job to know a little bit more.

[B]

But right.

[A]

You know, even with us, like, I'll speak for us. Like, you got to check out.

[B]

Sick of it, dude. Yeah, I'm so sick of it. I wake up, I look on Twitter and I see some post about Trump in the Iran war, and I want to throw up. I want to talk about, you know, I want to just make dick jokes for three hours instead.

[A]

Go back to the Ben Mallow fucking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you want to go back barstool days? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I want to grab a video camera and go videotape some bums behind Circle K, you know, or go. You know, maybe I'll get. I'll go work with Tommy G and go make some documentaries. I'll be his cameraman or something.

[A]

Yes, I need to see that. I need that in my life. Hello, folks, I'm Tommy G. And today I got any challenge with me, Tommy.

[B]

Dude, that guy's incredible.

[A]

He's awesome, dude. Greatest guy ever, too. But, like, Tommy G's personally branded. Like, he's a one of one. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he gets genuinely so excited. Like, you can. You can feel the blood rushing through his veins for every story he does. He does all this different shit now, right? And one day he could be, like, covering whether or not Apex paying off Chuck Schumer, and the next day he's in the middle of the hood selling guns to crack dealers. Like, it's the greatest, like, range of content.

[B]

Who were those dudes that you had? You had Tommy G on your show with these two guys wearing, like, ski masks, right?

[A]

Oh, no, Tommy wasn't on that one.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

But it was.

[B]

He knew those dudes. He did a documentary with them or something.

[A]

Yeah, it was five guys wearing ski masks. They were the swim team from New York, the most wanted drivers. So Squeeze Benz, who was not on the swim team, he was. He was his own separate thing. He was not there.

[B]

But they called themselves the swim team.

[A]

The swim team. Yeah. No. What? When I first met Tommy, it was when he was in town filming the first part of that back in. Yeah, we hit it off right away. Just great fucking guy. But March 2024, he came through, did my podcast, and then went and filmed with them. And then it was the most viral documentary he ever made. But these guys basically. I don't know if you can pull it Up Stephen. But you know, they're not drag racers. They just do it for the love of the game. You know how like Dick Cheney bombed the Middle east for the love of the game?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These Guys Drive between 120 and 160, 170 through New York City and do wheelies and shit for the love of

[B]

pedestrians and innocent people.

[A]

And that's why, listen, to be very clear, I do not condone it at all. Like, and we had a very frank discussion. I did episode 248 with them and it was, you know, I appreciated their honesty and like they're really off camera. Like they were great guys. I got along with them really, really well. And a lot of them don't even really have a ton of vices. They just do this. But I'm like, what happens? Obviously, like, they're very talented drivers if I'm talking objectively. Okay, fine. But what happens the day, you know, you cut over two roads and you hit a kid in a stroller?

[B]

Right?

[A]

You think I'm gonna fucking defend you?

[B]

Get the fuck out of here.

[A]

It's insane. It's absolutely. These kids, I can't say, cuz they're.

[B]

Okay, that's.

[A]

That's classified.

[B]

Where's the, where's the footage? Oh, there we go. No, this is an animation.

[A]

That's an animation. But here's Tommy in the car with them. So some of the guys in the car right now, two of them were two of the. The studio with me. And they're all undercover and we had to change.

[B]

We had to change some audio Steve.

[A]

We had to change their voices obviously. So the whole episode they're like, that makes it cooler. But it was, it was in. That was one of my most memorable recordings. Because they're talking like this, but I don't hear them like this. Cuz I have to do that post edit after hardest audio post edit I ever did in my life. Holy. I wanted, I wanted to kill a small animal by the end of 32 hours to do it. Because I had to get them all on one audio track.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I had. Meaning I had to go cut every time someone went to say something different and I had to cut my voice differently. So I wasn't talking like that. Oh my God, it was brutal. But we recorded it like 11:30.

[B]

That crazy.

[A]

That part right there wasn't.

[B]

But oh yeah. What about someone when they really.

[A]

When they really pick it up?

[B]

Like.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I love how he added this B roll of kids playing soccer.

[A]

I don't know. If you saw. Well, this is. Oh, you know what? Because this isn't the original documentary. This is an interview with them. So if you go to Tommy G's channel and just type in New York's most wanted drivers, there's one with 13 or 14 million views. It's as big as. You just go to popular videos and it'll come up and you'll see more of them driving, but like hit popular, Steve. There you go, that one right there. So this was almost, this was, this came out like almost exactly two years ago. But you see at the beginning, like, he's driving with squeeze bends right there.

[B]

Give it some. You got any audio on there, Steve? Oh, Tommy. Jean gonna copyright us, Willie.

[A]

But I. I can talk to him. It'll be all right. But basically that was a memorable recording, like I was saying, because where we recorded for like 2 hours, 10 minutes. And it's me at the time, Alessi was still in the studio with me. Not def. And I got five guys in glasses and ski masks. So when I'm talking or like cracking a joke or something, I can't tell if they're laughing or glaring at me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's weird. And I'm like looking around and they would. And you just see like them move like this and like, was that a laugh or is he about to knock me the fuck out? But you know, and then like, it's just wild because you gotta get them undercover and everything. It's like kinda like this secretive recording. And then downstairs, it's a Saturday night and you know, all the bars are popping and people have no idea what's happening upstairs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, highly recommend this. He did a second part, put it out in June 2025. Like kind of an update.

[B]

When's he gonna start going on the front lines of wars and.

[A]

Dude, he wants to.

[B]

I bet he does.

[A]

Oh, he's nuts. Tommy's. Tommy's got a screw loose.

[B]

I mean, I'm here and I. I'm here in Tehran.

[A]

My boy Arab was in Tehran right before they attacked.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's at Arab. On Arab.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

On, on.

[B]

What's he do?

[A]

He's. He's another one like Tommy G. He goes around the world and gets stories. He's the one that was kidnapped in Haiti for like three weeks and they tried to have a ransom and he like live streamed the whole thing.

[B]

Oh, I never heard about that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, Arab's an interesting guy, but he, I think he first like blew up when he was going down. Yeah. When he was going down to the favelas in Braz. But I don't know if you. We can see it, Steve. If it's a recent video, it should be very recent. Inside Tehran during the war. Like I think he was there like in the week leading up to the war.

[B]

When was the post date, the publish date go down?

[A]

Well, the war broke out one month ago. 7th. So let's hit more than holy.

[B]

See, bro, this is what I always talk about.

[A]

This is before.

[B]

This is what I always go back to is like people like you and people like me and, and everybody else on the Internet that do all these podcasts. We do. We don't know jack. Yeah, we don't. You don't know all. I don't know all about nothing. All we do is read and listen to people talk.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

These are the only people that know what's actually happening. And unless you can take a video camera and go show it and talk to people and do all that stuff, you really have. I mean, even only then, just watching the video, you're going to get a lot of it, but you're still not going to get everything. And when just distill it down to fucking text and words on a microphone. You're getting like a fucking thin ass layer of reality, bro.

[A]

100% and that. But I also think that's like my favorite part about the job because we get to have people come in from across the world and obviously you got to make it like we got to make a judgment in this chair and everyone else out there has to make their own judgment, listening to it as to who seems more credible or comes with more evidence and facts and whatever based on things. But these people from around the world doing everything from fun stuff to like very serious stuff, even when they're having fun with it.

[B]

Smoking a cigarette.

[A]

I don't know that that's a cigarette. That might not be a cigarette.

[B]

No, he pulled it out of a pack of cigarettes.

[A]

It might be a joint, but either way, like, you know, we're trying to hear about. We get pieces of the world coming into our studio. Mine in fucking good old Jersey and yours right here in good old Florida. And we get to hear first person, like what they're, what they're finding and what's going on and ask questions. And so I do think we have a chance to get more informed through that. But you're absolutely right. You can't know the full context until you go through the fourth wall yourself. You know What? I mean, like, I can make. Forget AI. I'm not even there yet. I can make a video do whatever I want it to do, or make the context whatever I want. If I'm. If I'm an Arab. I haven't talked to him about this documentary yet, but Maybe I interview 25 people for that documentary. And let's say Arab wanted to do a hatchet job, and he doesn't do that, but, like, let's say he was a bad guy and he wanted to do a hatchet job. If five of those people were shitting all over something and that's the angle that he wanted, but 20 of the people told the truth and said, no, it's actually all fine or whatever. And that's the angle he didn't want. You'd never know that he cut the other 20 people out.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You know, and so I. I do.

[B]

You've never been.

[A]

You've never been.

[B]

You've never been.

[A]

You went to a place, but you've never been. I mean, as a rule, I don't talk about a country until I've gone there. When have you been to Iran?

[B]

That's the best thing to say when you're losing an argument. You've never been.

[A]

You've never been. I remember just being like, oh, man, that's an L for the academic class. It's a tough one. Dave Smith is on fire. Dave Smith is always on fire, man. And here's the thing. Whether or not he's right or wrong on a given issue, whatever it is, man, is he great at presenting it.

[B]

He's got moxie.

[A]

And if you can't accept that going into it it and understand that that is what you're dealing with, and you better bring the goods and bring it in a way that is digestible and entertaining to everyone, then that's your problem.

[B]

Yeah, that dude's got moxie. My favorite is when he called that one guy it, the Berenson guy. He's like, what are you talking about? You.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, the favorite now is Coldman. Coldman Hughes body bagged you. Oh, my God, the PBD guy. Oof. That was. That was deep. Ruined my day.

[B]

He showed you that interview, that debate.

[A]

Deep's like, you need to stop what you're doing. I'm like, I'm not stopping what I'm doing. I'm making thumbnails. We have an episode of 12. He's like, well, you need to put this on. And I was like, put on what? And he's like, this Guy debating Dave Smith. And I put, I was, it was like that headphones meme where you're just like, oh, oh, no. Because Dave didn't even win. That was the one debate. He didn't even have to say anything.

[B]

He was even a fucking there.

[A]

He's like, he's like, shannon Sharp is smoking a whatever black and mild and saying, look right here, man.

[B]

Oh, God, that was tough. I don't know what was worse that or the post game with him and his daddy, pbd. He's like lecturing him and on live, on his live show, he's like, adam, we need to have a talk here. The reason I'm doing this live is because I love you, man, but we have to have a talk. If you're just gonna go doing Deb dates without me knowing and looking like this, he's like, we're gonna have a problem here. He's like, yes, sir. I know. I'm sorry. I'm not. Yeah. And it was like, dude. I was like, here's the thing. No self awareness zero.

[A]

That, yeah, that guy, obviously, Adam obviously doesn't have a lot of self awareness and is taking some Ls and he deserves it. But, like, I don't know. I, this is just me. And maybe this is just like what my dad taught me growing up up. He's like, have really difficult conversations behind the scenes and, and take hard action sometimes, if that's what it calls for. But you handle it behind the scenes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't roll over on people in public.

[B]

He did it in public to save himself, though. That's what he, that's, that shows you, that tells you.

[A]

But why do you have to. I, I don't know. I don't know why. If you're talking about PBD there, I see. Like, I, I don't, I don't know what the, what the logic is there,

[B]

but like, that's what he said. He goes, the reason I'm doing this live is to cover my own ass. He literally said that. He said something like that.

[A]

I'm not like, that's what I'm saying like that.

[B]

Exactly what he said.

[A]

You know, I guess people could be like, when BBD's sending people, he's not sending their best. You know, maybe they could say that about it, but I don't know. I, I, I just think that's something you handle behind, behind closed doors. But, you know, he did get shoved into a locker and swirly through the fucking bathroom at the same time for sure. Yeah. Sorry if that was like, a little ptsd, Steve. Okay. Oh, yeah. I heard Steve go like, oh, what?

[B]

With the swirly?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You think Steve got swirlies?

[A]

I didn't think so. I think. I think Steve was, like, beating the. Out of people in high school. That's why I was surprised.

[B]

Steve grew up in Texas, bro. Yeah, he had a. He. He didn't have.

[A]

I feel like he had a toothpick, and he was just rolling through the hallway being like, asa, relax. Maybe. Maybe that was the piece on the

[B]

Texas Mexico border, bro. He was running with the cartels.

[A]

He's like, yeah, I was doing that people all the time.

[B]

I grew up picking mushrooms out of cow patties.

[A]

That's right. That's right. And taking them. Interesting picture of ball back there.

[B]

Yeah. You like that?

[A]

No, no, but it's. It's an interesting thing to look at.

[B]

That's Steve's desktop. It's your desktop background.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

A ball.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Is it ball or was it Baa1 bathroom?

[A]

Oh, that's baffin. What's the difference?

[B]

What?

[A]

Baffamen and ball, they're all.

[B]

I have no clue.

[A]

I thought that was the same thing.

[B]

I have no idea. It's a bull. It's like a bull God that eats children, right?

[A]

It has, like, the goat horns or the goat head with the horns. And it's a human.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

That's not the thing with the hands.

[B]

No, that's different. That's that the. The goat head with the horns. That's supposed to be the God. Pan, right?

[A]

Pan or Pam?

[B]

Pan.

[A]

Pam. Like two M's.

[B]

Pan. Like a frying pan.

[A]

Okay, all right.

[B]

Yeah, Pan. Right.

[A]

Pan. He.

[B]

And Pan also plays the fiddle. Or he plays the liar.

[A]

Creepy looking. Oh, that one has titties.

[B]

Yeah, the goat of Mendez.

[A]

The goat of Mendez.

[B]

Oh, Baphomet. It says Baphomet. I was wrong. The goat is baphomet. Yeah, but Bail bale, as Kurt Matzker would say, is the go.

[A]

Is. Is the bull. Oh, very similar, right?

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

You had Hurricane Metzger roll through.

[B]

Yeah, dude, he was here.

[A]

Enjoy that.

[B]

I enjoyed every minute of it. Dude, he's.

[A]

He.

[B]

He has the most epic rants.

[A]

Oh, it's great. I have no idea what he's saying half the time, but it's. Me neither.

[B]

I have no clue. I just let him go.

[A]

We just had our second.

[B]

Trying to keep up.

[A]

We just had our second category five podcast with him. First, how many white claws he went through? There were three on camera, but he went through six and, like, two fat splits smoked up the whole kitchen right before. Because, you know, I don't have to. I don't have Danny Jones square footage in my place, so definitely just roll in there. We're high as. I mean, he's ripped as, too, so you're, like, a half a step behind the whole way, too, which doesn't help. And then just for whatever it was, two and a half hours, just bam, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then he just hit you. Like, I don't know where these thoughts.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know how he absorbs all this information. Where does he get it from?

[A]

Let's give the time. Kurtz. That's a great question that. You can say a lot of things about Kurt. You disagree with certain opinions he has, for sure, but that's not a dude who's not looking into it. He's lasered in. I mean, he's like an autistic kid in algebra.

[B]

He's going, God, it's what it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't even realize, either, when he came in here that he used to be a. A Jehovah's Witness.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Back in the day.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's what. What, like, Black Piltmer. Yeah. What the fuck is this shit?

[B]

That opened up his world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, fuck these people. They're going door to door. Well, the best was when he called. He had this one hit where he was talking about Les Wexner, and he's like, les Wexner was like the James Bond of Israel. The difference is James Bond actually said his name before he fucked you.

[B]

You.

[A]

Les Wexner's like, roll back, baby. Let's go, Jeffrey. Hop on and ride it. Just like, oh, my God, bro. Where is this clock? Like, where. Where is that from? It's just like, there's sonks coming around all over the place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was scrolling through because I needed B roll for some separate thing for the Discovery Channel thing.

[B]

Yes. That was hilarious.

[A]

So Discovery Channels executive producer for that show they did the episode on with Andy says, hey, can you just record these 30 to 35 seconds or whatever of just these basic lines? And it'll be like you're in your podcast. Just in case we want to use, like, the voiceover or whatever, and. And then cut to that and roll it into part of what's in the episode. Like, all right, sure. So we had, like, two minutes to do it. So I'm like, all right, def. I'm gonna stick this in size 72 font. Just sit it where the guest is and, like, look here. And, like, kind of do it line by line. So it's like four lines or something, which means there's four breaks where I'm like, all right, what's the next line there? All right, let me get this right. So afterwards, I'm like, well, I gotta. I gotta find some guests that I'm putting the B roll in on. So I went through. I'm like, well, I just had Kurt in. I got. First of all, I go through the full timeline of Kurt. It's very hard to find a spot where he's not saying something. Like, he's talking the entire time. If I'm talking, he's talking too. And then I find this one spot where he's got the glasses on the pipe right here, and he's just ripping a claw. And I just cut back and forth. The first one, I say, like, a really serious line. I'm like, the crazy thing about this Eptine case is that after all these years, we still don't know what happened outside the cell. It just, like, cuts to Kurt like this, and then, like, drinking a claw and putting it down. And then it keeps cutting back to him, like with the. With the pipe like this. And I'm like, they're never. I'm like, this is funny, but they're never going to accept us. I send it over to the Discovery Channel guy right away. He's like, I love the white claw. That's great. And they took it.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

So I hope it makes the episode, but it was funny as. Man.

[B]

I love the way he drinks White Claws. He drinks him. So aggressive, too.

[A]

He's just like, yeah, no, no, no slamming him. He's. He's pounding him for sure.

[B]

Oh, my God, I forgot about that thing you did with. With Bustamante. So you guys did a. What was it you. You tried to recreate? He recreated the whole jail cell that Epstein was in.

[A]

And then you did, like, put out that picture now, so people have seen it. So there's some of this I can talk about. Now is the first. They're like, yo, wait till we're right up at the episode. But there's some of it I can talk about.

[B]

And Andy, a guy who, the first time we talked to him with Jimmy D. Was like, I don't even think he was doing blackmail. Yeah, he wasn't even. He wasn't even in the room. Yeah, like, he wasn't even, like, approaching the walkway to all this. That's come out. Right. And now, like, he's already done a full tour. He's left the building.

[A]

Yes. Which is making me think. Cause I'm like, wait a minute. Are you trying to pin the entire thing on Mossad now on behalf of CIA? Is that what we're doing? We know Mossad's at fault, but CIA's got some fault in this matter, too. So I don't know. Cause I've always shared the opinion with you, privately and publicly, that, of course, I think Andy's still working with him. Member of the team, if you will. So you gotta take certain things, he says with an enormous fucking grain of salt. A boulder, if you will.

[B]

Well, I mean, yeah, totally.

[A]

Yeah. And so, you know, I was like. When he asked me to do this, because he's doing this new show, and they're doing a different episode on a different. Totally different topic each time. He's like, I'm doing one on Epstein. I'm like, oh, boy. I'm like, hey, I'm gonna fly out to Colorado and do it. Like, what are we even gonna talk about? Cause I'm thinking he's gonna be like, well, we don't know that he's a blackmailer. No. He's like, no, no, there's some shit here. Just come out and do it with me. I was like, okay, okay. So he's like, we have some other people doing the episode, too. Like, it'll be fine. Fine. I'll do it when I get out there. He hadn't told me what we're talking about as it relates to the case at all. So we go down into his TV studio lair that they built, and for like, an hour, we have this just general conversation where he's, like, kind of interviewing me about Epstein. It was actually, like, pretty good.

[B]

Good.

[A]

But they're going to use, like, two minutes of it because it's tv. And at the end of it, he goes, all right. So when I was looking at this case, I was trying to think what I was most interested in investigating. And I still just can't get over this guy's death. So I'm thinking that's what we should really be looking into. And in my head, I'm going really? Like, this is the most stereotypical part. Why are we looking at his death? And of course, I didn't think.

[B]

And also a distraction from the real show in the big picture.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter if he's dead or alive.

[A]

That is what I was thinking. And then things Things took a turn after that and I was, it was a little like, I don't know how it's going to come out, cuz I'm still processing it. But I had to process it all that day live. And I was having. I mean, I called you like halfway through, like, what the. But he's like, yeah, you know, we're gonna investigate his death. And just like you, I'm thinking like, all right, come on, I know he didn't kill himself, but like, what are we really doing here? And he goes, if you look to your right, you see that door with caution tape on it and there's this giant. I hadn't even noticed this. There's a giant prison door behind me with the caution tape across, just like they had in the picture, the DOJ report. And he goes, pull it up.

[B]

Pull up the picture, pull up the DOJ report. Crime scene photos of Jeffrey Epstein in 2019.

[A]

And then let's pull up a. At Everyday Spies Instagram. Because he took pictures. This is why.

[B]

I can talk about this a little bit. You can keep going. It'll take him a minute.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm like, you rebuilt his cell? And he goes, bar for bar, word for word. I'm like, or he said something like that. And I'm like, okay. So he's like, let's go in. So we go in and bro, he had the pill bottles like in the same spot.

[B]

No shit.

[A]

Little books in the same spots. He had all the, all the orange, you know, torn up sheets and shit in the same spot. It was creepy. And I'm not gonna go through all of it now because, like, it's not out yet. And I'm not really supposed to like go through the whole thing, but basically it very quickly moved from, yeah, no shit, he didn't commit suicide. And Andy went into full mode and proved it with a dummy and everything to see the work he did. And he was like so into it as well. He was like throwing this dummy around and doing the physics of it. And then I was like helping him with the physics because I'm like, oh, he'd have to do this too. And we demonstrate that and we're like, that's. Yeah, a 50, 60 something year old guy is going to be able to do that for sure. Right? But like a 20 year old LeBron James isn't going to be able to

[B]

find the photo of the door with the caution tape. Yeah, it was, it was at the top. It was at the top, Steve.

[A]

And so, yep, right there. So he had Clicked that one.

[B]

That's perfect.

[A]

So basically, he had rebuilt this. So if we go to his Instagram now.

[B]

Go to everyday spy on Instagram.

[A]

You'll see the. You'll see the inside of it. But he starts going through that, and then it very quickly moves from once we ruled out suicide to Andy very clearly trying to demonstrate that. He's demonstrating to me, and I didn't know if he was with me at first. It is go up, go up, go. See it right there on. See? Yep. So there he is in the cell with. That's. That's the whole production team that was doing it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So they literally rebuilt it to scale. And there's a part of the episode that I'm not. That didn't involve me, that I won't talk about where they were. Let's just say he was able to verify all this about what the cell looked like. Not that he needed that, but it was pretty wild what he was able to bring in there to do that. But I started to realize quickly that he was trying to get to the. Hey, is he dead?

[B]

He was like.

[A]

As a legitimate question. And, yeah, I mean, you and I, we've known Andy forever, and we're like, come on. You know Andy.

[B]

You're playing it up, buddy.

[A]

Andy. Mr. Don't ever. What's the line? Don't ever leave up to conspiracy. What can be complained by stupidity. Like, get the fuck out of here. You know Andy's trying to tell me this guy's alive, right? Andy's trying to tell me this guy's alive. And then I don't know how long it was, but after a little while, I'm like, oh, he's serious. He's dead. Like, unless there's gonna be, like a giant. He fucks with me once we get out of here, which was possible. I'm like, he's dead serious. So I'll just say this. There's something in the cell that is exactly what the cell was. That on the literal, official schematic of the prison that was always there. Was not on it. And it's the only cell that was like that. So much so that in one of the reports.

[B]

Wait, what are you saying? Was not on it.

[A]

There was a. There is a part. You'll. You'll see it in the episode. I'm sorry to blue balls people, but

[B]

it's like, come on, man, we want to come.

[A]

There is. I. I know. I understand that. I understand that. But, you know, I gotta do my little part. I promised here. But, like, there is A part of the cell that. When you look at. If you're looking at like a construction layout of the prison that the official prison had prior to the day that Jeffrey Epstein died and may still have today. I don't know.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

There's a part of the cell that is not on that schematic and is the only cell that has something that is not on the schematic. And basically it is a very useful part.

[B]

And you proved this.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Completely. So much so.

[B]

An escape hatch.

[A]

Basically that one of the. At least one. I can't remember off the top of my head, but at least one of the reports because he had. After we left the cell, he took me outside and. And went through every single government document that was written about this. He had them all on the table in binders. And we were just ripping through them off camera. And then on camera I was like, holy. And I think it was on the FBI one. They literally had a picture of a different cell. It was not himself, probably.

[B]

I know. I remember because I remember. If you remember this photo, the original photo they took of the front of the cell when the story first dropped, it was not. And then the FBI dropped the footage from the little corridor of the other cell that wasn't his cell. His cell was down the stairs and around the corner. And the FBI literally released a tape saying that was his cell. Here's the 24 hour footage of it. It. I mean, if that. What do you like? Basically, it's insane. Insane. The amount of lies.

[A]

Andy. The lies are insane, of course. And Andy, you know, he's.

[B]

Now get. Get a screen grab of the footage the FBI released of the front of his cell and look how different it looks.

[A]

I'm saying. I even saw stuff inside where Andy proved that the foundation was all different and it wasn't as cell.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It was even worse than that. It wasn't just the outside.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I started to. I'm like, oh my God. He's. He's dead serious. And he's. He basically started very matter of factly, very matter of factly explaining exactly how to get him out of this prison and how, like I. I think he used the word how easy it is. Is and how it doesn't require many people. And so he. When we went out and talked about it, I was having like a. What the. Like, I was literally we. It had gone from me being, you know, jumpy and having a good time whatever to like, what the fuck?

[B]

Like you were speechless.

[A]

And he's like, so I brought you here to see if I'm crazy and I'm like, Andy, in this moment, as I'm just digesting all this, maybe later I'm going to laugh at this and be like, how did I miss this? Or how did I, I, how did I miss that? But like, in this moment, no, I don't think you're crazy. And I think this guy might, I, I, I, I think, I think he's alive. You know, we know there was all kinds of fake images of him online and people want Palm Beach Pete, be him.

[B]

I love Palm Beach Pete, bro.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

See, he was on the Cole on the Colbert Show.

[A]

Was he really?

[B]

I can't believe it, dude. He, he is a superstar. Overnight superstar. Could you imagine?

[A]

He's loving it.

[B]

Find the, find the Palm Beach Pete on the Colbert Show. I hope it's real.

[A]

My wife's giving him a, like, there you go. You know, because Jeffrey was meeting.

[B]

That's not it.

[A]

He met with a face transplant surgeon like the year before he got arrested. Like, you can do it. If, if you're in that level and you go to get a new face, you're getting a new face. You're not getting like a build a bear, you know, knockoff face of your own face.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what fucking Palm Beach Pete is. He's a poor man's Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

Maybe it wasn't Colbert, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't our late night show. Just type in Palm Beach Pete late night show or something. Or like interview, interview maybe.

[A]

He was definitely on tmz. I saw that. And he was on some podcast.

[B]

This was like a, My wife saw it was showing me a tick tock and it was like, of him on one of like the, the television late night shows. Hey, guys, it's Palm Beach Pete coming to you live from Palm Beach.

[A]

Yeah, he's really trying to ride this.

[B]

I'm not Jeffrey Epstein. You see the one even in front of the private jet too. No, there was one of him. I don't know if it was. That's the problem. I don't know how much.

[A]

Oh yeah. And they were saying it looks like the same.

[B]

Looks like the same as the Lolita. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oh man. It's a little club and you ain't but a lot.

[B]

So that's the thing that, that another thing that Kurt was saying to me. He's like, dude, I've been to a lot of places. I see a lot of people. There's not much as many, as much Of a variation in people that you. As you think he's like, there's a lot of people that look very, very similar. And Palm Beach Pete and Epstein were obviously.

[A]

Well, he knew him.

[B]

Oh, there you go. Jimmy Kimmel. There you go.

[A]

Did you see that? He knew him.

[B]

Who knew he knew Epstein. Yeah. Shut up. Oh.

[A]

Oh, he admitted it to team no. Yes. He's like, yeah, I was at a few parties with him months. I didn't really know the guy. Yes, he did. I swear to God.

[B]

Play. Give it volume.

[A]

Him.

[B]

Do people actually mistake you for him?

[A]

They give me the double look, but now the double look viral, Jimmy. It's non stop. They want to take pictures of me, my autograph. But as Palm Beach Pete, I'm not Epstein. I'm just Palm Beach Pete living my life.

[B]

Is he on cameo yet? And please say hello now.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Is he on cameo yet? He's got to be on cameo. He's got to be banking off cameo right now.

[A]

I don't know if you can find it, but, like, like Palm Beach Pete knew Epstein. He, like, talked about it. I think it was TMZ where he's like, yeah, I was at a few parties in New York or maybe Palm beach or something. You know, I'd see the guy on the couch. I didn't really know him.

[B]

We gotta get. We gotta buy a cameo.

[A]

It's like, maybe. Maybe, Pete, you don't admit that one out loud. Maybe that's one you keep off the camera or off the interview. No, nobody needed to know that.

[B]

God. You wanted.

[A]

You wanted what? He's got a cameo. Cameo. You want to order one?

[B]

I want to watch one of them play. Play one of his cameos.

[A]

You want to watch one of them?

[B]

I want to watch one of them. I want to see, like, what? I want to get one. I'm definitely going to order one.

[A]

Yeah, you should order one.

[B]

How about this anniversary? Yeah, let's watch the anniversary.

[A]

Yeah. Hey, everybody, it's Palm Beach Pete, and I'm wishing a green greeting to Max and Dylan. Those parties were great. I want you to enjoy your life to the utmost. Palm Beach Pete smiles and enjoys his life, so I want you to enjoy your life too. I was talking in third person. Come to. To you. Just keep on doing what you do. Shut the up and pay me. Otis GD It's Palm Beach Pete calling back from Florida. Happy, happy birthday. I want all his followers to get him up to a really great number, so continue to follow us. OG Otis GD Otis GD Continue what you're doing. Be a good person. Enjoy your birthday. We're all right.

[B]

Humanity's.

[A]

Oh, man. Nothing like a John Kiriaku cameo.

[B]

Overnight stardom for looking like an international pedophile.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I would be a little. A lot of less excited

[B]

file, but a. A literal somebody who. Who sacrifices children.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know, look at the eating crazy. He's like Christoph Waltz and Inglourious Bastards. He's like, oh, that's a bingo.

[B]

Also has the similar voice.

[A]

It.

[B]

It's very similar. A little bit higher pitched. Yeah, yeah. They got the same Florida tan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's so crazy, man.

[A]

Yeah. I would go away. I would. I'd be. I. If and he's apparently really rich, I would.

[B]

Yeah, right. What do you need the money?

[A]

I might even like sue the guy who took the video of me just to like outspend his lawyers just to be like, don't you ever fucking do that to me again. Again. That's. Is that what you do with you money?

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Like, isn't that what you do? You just buy lawyers and create hearings and.

[B]

Yeah, you just create fake suit. You sue people off just to scare the out of them and just to shut them with the up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I look at wife does.

[A]

Look at him.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Look at. Oh, that's a bingo.

[B]

Yeah. John Karaku is the number one person on Cameo right now. Dude.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

It's incredible. Like, the world just keeps coming to John Kaku. He does nothing. He.

[A]

He overdo.

[B]

He just continues to be himself and the world just hands itself over to him and. And it's incredible to see he's blissfully

[A]

happy in his own little world and it needs to remain that way.

[B]

Can you believe this?

[A]

T?

[B]

You hear what happened to me? I don't know.

[A]

It just happened. Let me give you an example.

[B]

Let me give you an example.

[A]

I'm on Cameo the other day. Do you know this app, Danny? It's a great app. I met the CEO, great guy. Someone calls me up and they're like, wish my wife a Happy anniversary. Here's $400, Danny.

[B]

Look at this. I have 85 plus cameo requests right now. I'm going back to my hotel. I'm gonna be up till 3 o' clock in the morning. And you didn't tell him recording cameos.

[A]

You didn't tell him he was staying at the same. Would have fucking recorded a fucking cameo for him. Holy shit, man. We just missed each other with you and then with Matt, like back to back. He was Right there.

[B]

God. But, oh, yeah, then he went on Matt show. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The best. The best edit of all of them was the one from Diary of a CEO where he's like, so she accepts lunch, and then I go in and I'm like, oh, my God, you accept lunch. And my boss is like, listen, I want you to fuck her. He's like, have you seen her? I can't do this. Like, I know, I know, but we're the good guys, so. All right, I'll do it. It's like, dude. And where he like, what's. What's the. One of the comments on Black Twitter that went really, really viral? Because Black Twitter loves John. I was trying to explain black Twitter to John. It was going in one ear, out the other. But I'm like, just know they love you, and if you roll up in the hood, you don't have to stand on business. You're good. Like, you're good on either side side of the equation for sure. But they were like, this motherfucker John ain't never told a joke in his life. And he the funniest dude online. Like, he just says things like. In that same clip, he's like, this woman was the ugliest woman I've ever seen. Like, and then. And then he goes like. And you can see, like, his brain is picturing it from his life, and he's like. It was as if you reached up onto the side of Notre Dame and pulled down a gargoyle.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's the.

[A]

The. Or.

[B]

No.

[A]

He goes, it's like she came straight off the side of Notra Dame. And then he explained what a gargoyle was, and I'm like, that's cinema.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I could sit de. And I could sit in a room trying to write a script all day for some movie, and we would not come up with a visual that perfect.

[B]

No.

[A]

And he. It's just comes right to him.

[B]

He's gifted, man.

[A]

He's gifted.

[B]

I'm glad he left the CIA.

[A]

I'm glad he did. I'm not. Not. I'm sad about the circumstances for him, of how it went down.

[B]

Yeah. Well, hopefully he gets his pardon soon.

[A]

You know, if you want some good pr, Trump, that's an easy W. I mean, people like him. So. I mean, you know, they're pardoning fraudsters.

[B]

Did you see the guy they pardoned the other day? We talked about it with John. It was the guy who had a. He. This guy had a nursing home, and he had people suing him because Their grandmas were dying because he was giving him the wrong medications or feeding them the type like, foods when they shouldn't be eating foods. And. And like, there was at least probably a half dozen lawsuits from family suing this guy because he killed their grandparents. And it was some sort of class action lawsuit. That dude was in prison. Trump just par him, pardoned him for whatever reason, this guy, one inmate paid lobbyists and lawyers with ties to President Trump's team and walked free. Others are following his blueprint, but it's not always clear who can deliver.

[A]

And this guy's getting important.

[B]

Yeah, guy's getting a pardon, bro.

[A]

Just 100 grand, man. And. And the guy who illegally, by the way, pushed for John's illegal prosecution is Trump's arch enemy. That's what I don't understand. John Brennan's the guy who made the whole thing happen. There's no one on this earth that Donald Trump. Hate Donald Trump.

[B]

Wait, John Brennan did what?

[A]

He's the guy who sent John to prison, effectively.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. The FBI investigated John for a year after they tried to make him the fall guy. And that other.

[B]

They were trying to set him up. Fake recruitment and all that.

[A]

Bet, the whole bet. And then they like, God, if people knew, like, the actual backstory that wish, but I. I can't. I can't. So anyway, so he goes and he defends the same people that he was shredding behind the scenes, like a good, loyal guy, which, you know, I'm sure he regrets doing that, but, like, that all happened and then the FBI came and investigated him for a full year and they literally apologized to him. And he hates the FBI and they hate him.

[B]

Him.

[A]

Like, he always talks about that. He's been talking about that since the very first podcast he did with you. Like, he never got along with those guys, but at the end of the year, this is like 08. They come to him and they send him an official letter and they say, hey, there's nothing there. Sorry for the inconvenience and everything. I hope you understand. We're just doing our job, but we're not filing charges. Okay, great. And then he ends up working for John Kerry is the fucking, you know, chief investigator for the foreign. For the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee. And then he finds all the poppy fields in Afghanistan. They're like, no, not that kind of investigation. No, no, no, not like that. No, no, no, no. Get back here. And then there's a bunch of emails of John Brennan hitting up Fast and Furious Holder, pun intended. About like, you need to Make a case against John Kiriaku. And Eric Holder is literally telling John Brennan, like, we already looked at that, there's no case. And then John's like, fine one, no way. And they hated each other back there. That's fucking. And so that's why I don't, that's why I really don't understand why Trump hasn' Brennan Kiriaku.

[B]

Because Trump don't like Brennan.

[A]

Oh, he, he hates Brennan, bro.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I mean, where do I begin? Brennan was like the chief architect of Russiagate. Let's start with that. Oh yeah, Brennan's also just a lie. I mean, you know, professional liar, but like a liar to the extent that

[B]

like, he's a fake person. He's a, he's a, he's a fake person.

[A]

He's literally a cut out of a person. And I remember there was a documentary on Showtime that dropped in 2015. It was like around Christmas time. So right when Trump's like becoming like, well, maybe he's actually a candidate, they dropped this documentary called like CIA Spymasters and the Crosshairs. And it's every living former director or acting director of CIA being interviewed. And then, you know, like guys like Jose Rodriguez.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Who looks like Brandon Blacksmith.

[B]

Yeah, I remember this.

[A]

And so John Brennan at the time was the actor, active CIA head. And it gets this dramatic part where they're asking every single former head and John Brennan is the current head separately about whether or not the United States should do torture. And John Brennan gives this response like, I just, I feel like we, we live in a country where we need to be above that and we, we shouldn't, we should not engage in torture. He's the fucking guy that wrote the memos how to fucking create it. It.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Saying that unironically. And it's like when you see things like that and then when the average American sees something like that, they're going about their day and then they find out about this John Brennan guy. Cuz they're looking into it a little bit and they go, you know, the whole thing needs to burn down. I get it. I'm like, hey, I mean, fuck, man, the stench is at the top. Top.

[B]

I mean, like, just tell the truth about the torture. It's not even half bad compared to all the other we know about.

[A]

Now, as crazy as that is, as you're 100% right, like say tell the

[B]

public, look, we're going to torture people who we think are terrorists. What's the big deal? Like, there's a lot, there's A lot. It's not MK Ultra. It's not blowing the president's brains out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not a fucking international pedophile arms trafficking ring.

[A]

That's right. That's right. On, on the list of priorities. It's like, it's like the line, you make that deal, I make that.

[B]

I make that deal. It's a damn good deal.

[A]

We'll give the people that one. Like, yeah, we brought out a bucket with some water a few times. What are you going to do? Yeah, they could, they could have just. What are you going to do to America? And it would have been over three weeks later. People wouldn't have care. Cared that much.

[B]

How crazy is it that they literally hired psychologists to come up with that torture program? And one of the dudes lives right down the street from here.

[A]

Yeah, like an hour to the tune of $82 million.

[B]

82. Yeah. The guy lives in a mansion.

[A]

What's his name? James Mitchell. James Mitchell.

[B]

I think that's his last name.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

There's a great video of him on Vice where he's in a canoe. He's like, I'll do your interview, but you're gonna do it on my canoe. Knew Tommy G would have done Surrounded by gators.

[A]

Tommy G. Would 100% done that.

[B]

Oh yeah, for sure. Oh, he don't give a bro. He'll put the an alligator in a rear naked choke.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He wouldn't have shot it like clavicular either.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I would like to. I would like to give that guy some truth serum. That guy Mitchell and get to the bottom. I would too get to the bottom of the it.

[A]

I would want to know beyond just like him being hired as a contractor. I forget his partner's name, but like the two of them being hired.

[B]

The other guy was the Mexican dude who lived in North Florida. Not Mexican. He was like a Hispanic dude.

[A]

What's his name? You're not talking about Jose Rodriguez?

[B]

Maybe? I'm talking about him.

[A]

Yeah, he was the guy at CIA. I'm talking about the two consultants. It was Mitchell and not Mitchell and Ness, like the hat company. But find out who it was. Who are the two.

[B]

Who were the two consultants who came up with the enhanced interrogation process program?

[A]

Yeah. And so psychologists. I would want to know not just like, oh, everything they got wrong and why that was all. I'd want to know that. But I'd want to know once they got in there and were in some of these rooms and then someone like actually powerful, not some Consultant like them. Turned to them and said, you like your head? Yeah. You ain't saying, pal.

[B]

Bruce Jansen.

[A]

Bruce Jansen. That's it. Jess.

[B]

Bruce Jesson. Jessen.

[A]

Jesse. Mitchell and Jess.

[B]

And Mitchell and Jess. And yeah, that's a great name for a law firm.

[A]

It is, it is. You know, but there's. But that's the thing, like, on my list of, like, things I would want to know is like, a fly on the wall. That's actually pretty low on the list for CIA. Like, there's a lot of things. It's very low on the list. There's a lot of things I would want to be the fly on the wall. I mean, I would have loved to just be the fly that, like, sat on the back of Sidney Gottlieb suit without him knowing it for, like, 10 years and just, like, live there. Didn't bite him, you know, was just like, I'm just gonna park it right here. You don't know I'm here. I'm just watching what you're doing, fam, you know? What was he doing? He. A lot, a lot.

[B]

What about not forget Sidney Gottlieb? What about Jolly West?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, he was every. It's like Mario and Luigi, bro.

[B]

He's can. Well, but. But Jolly west wasn't just a part of Mkult like, the t. Jolly west was kind of like more at, like, the tip of the spear or not Jolly west, but Cindy Gotley. But Jolly west was literally the guy who was, like, in Jack Ruby's cell Y. He was at the clinic where Charles Manson was going. Also on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey. The dude, he's like. He's like Forest gump. He's a CIA mind control.

[A]

Yeah. 100. 100.

[B]

Look at that. There he is behind Stanley Kubrick. And who's the other guy again? Not the Stanley Kubrick.

[A]

And who's the Kevin Costner looking?

[B]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know who that guy is. The Jolly west dude. That guy was. He was an evil. You know, both of his children and his wife committed suicide. Side. What does that say about that dude?

[A]

You know, the tragedy of lineage in awful decisions is a tale as old as time. I don't know the details of that. I don't even think I was aware of that for that one, but, you know, that's. I. I think about that a lot because, like, you know, not that we're ever dealing with like, this, but in life, you're going to make good choices. And bad choices. And you just try not to make the bad choices on purpose. And you try to make a lot more good choices than bad choices. But like the things you do affect, especially the people who come after you as well, if, if they're really huge mistakes, you know, and that's to me, when I look at the story of all these guys, you know, launch OSS and CIA and created this apparatus, I don't think those guys ever thought about that. I think they were so hardcore in actually believing through their power that they were the good guys, that no matter what they did, it was somehow holier than thou. And there's no one that, that comes through clearer on than the Dulles brothers and then in particularly Allen Dulles, who ended up running CIA. But those guys go back to fucking literally the Treaty of Versailles. You think about all the things that those two fucking poison ivy shrouds touched. It starts there probably earlier, but just for sake of argument here starts at the Treaty of Versailles and ends effectively covering up the Kennedy assassination after they did it. And it's like you wonder if there was ever a moment where a guy like Alan Dulles looked in his Vanity Mirror in his Georgetown townhouse and was like, I'm the bad guy. I don't think that moment ever happened. We'll never know, but I don't think it ever happened. I think he legitimately thought he was the good guy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what happens when you get surrounded by people that never challenge you and you don't have, honestly, like a good spouse, like a good wife or a good husband if you're a woman to, to balance you out. Because that's what you need to be humble and wise and not turn into a complete sociopath ass.

[A]

I couldn't agree with that more. Behind every great man, there's a. There's a greater woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's like one of the truest things ever.

[B]

And that's one of the. That, that, that's. You know, when you see people like that Jolly west guy or any this other people, they. They might be married, but their families are completely disconnected from them. They never see them. And, you know, in his case, the wife and the kids end up killing themselves.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you're just completely abandoning these people. And I'm sure that has some sort of a negative feedback loop with him, which makes him super depressed, makes him super angry, maybe makes him hate himself. And you know, on the other hand, this guy's out doing his thing, making money, literally surrounded by people who are probably just, you know, telling him everything he's doing is great and he lives in this delusion and he has no one to balance him and out or tell him he's crazy or keep him humble like that. I think that's probably, I think that's probably like the bane of human existence and that's what makes people go down those dark spirals where they turn into monsters like that.

[A]

Completely agree. And that's why, you know, when you're living, we're, we're always living through history where it's being created every day. You would like to think that you learn from the past and you spot the same patterns right there when you see them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's on a whole nother level if you are those people where you're in these positions of power and you would like to think you'd be able to spot it in yourself for the people around you. And the fact of the matter is, when you look throughout human existence, yeah, the circumstances change, the technology changes against who changes and all that. But the human nature never changes, changes. And the human nature says that people are, will. You will get people in positions of power who go down that spiral. And that's what it is. And I've talked about this before. It's like one of the weird, I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for? It's one of the weird paradoxes of life. But like, when you look throughout human history, this is why I'm an optimist. Things get progressively bad. Good wins out. It does. Things are objectively. We're in a wild moment right now. I'm not saying sometimes we don't take a little step back to take three steps forward, you know, one small leap for mankind or whatever the fuck they said on that set, you know, but either way, like, overall, it goes up. Quality of life goes up around the world. Yes. And when we have access to more information, we see more suffering than we ever did. So we think that, that that's the, the total rule, rather than, you know, a smaller part of the rule than it was.

[B]

Yeah, we have more access to now,

[A]

and that is what it is. But like, the wild thing is that also throughout human history, in the short term, in the short term, evil can beat good. It's this weird thing. And, and I, I, I've talked about this with you. Evil can beat good in the short term.

[B]

Isn't that what Netanyahu just said?

[A]

And that that was what was so funny, because the way he put it was like Disgraceful. And he tried to like invoke Jesus, like it just scumbag city. But the point, I. I don't know what his full point was there or what he was getting at, like over the long term or whatever. But what I'm saying is I've talked with you on the phone about this for years. It's like, if I put a hundred people in a room and 99 of them are good and one of them is evil, who's willing to act surreptitiously through evil? In the short term, the evil could win, right? Like, think about, think about the Dark Knight experiment where the two boats don't blow each other up. We're good wins. Because no one hits the bomb. All you needed was one person in there to hit the bomb. And if I ran a simulation of that same exact moment a hundred times, nine times out of ten, one asshole is going to fucking hit the bomb. And in the short term, kaboom. Everyone blows up. Everyone. Yeah. And it's evil. Correct. However, on the contrary, If I have 99 evil people in a room and one good person in the room, that good person really has no chance. I mean, they fucking killed Jesus, bro. I mean, it's like, you know, in the short term you don't have a chance. The beautiful thing about life though, and this is why I think this is a happy ending, is that when you look at things as they develop over time, removing yourself from the hundred person in one room, making one decision, experiment, the good wins out. It does overall. It doesn't mean that we don't still have genocides happening in the world and things like that that are objectively like the worst thing ever. It doesn't mean we don't have things like fucking, I don't know, arms dealing, sex traffickers working for multiple governments and selling kids around the world and getting away with it while everyone laughs and creates a fucking war in Iran to distract from the problem. It doesn't mean that that shit doesn't happen.

[B]

I love that you're doing a solo

[A]

right now, but like, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Danny Jones. Jones. Over the long term, humanity finds a way to get better and better. And that's why I try. Like, even as we're covering, like, there's two stories this year that are insane and they're not positive in any way, shape or form unless you're the CEO of Hermes. But other than that, like, literally, if you know, you know, or Palm Beach P. But, or I don't know how Popular, that is. But, like, when I'm looking at this, you have Epstein and Iran, and they are negative to the corporate core. People dying, people get aped, things getting covered up, economy crashing and people losing their jobs around the world, you know, chaos, etc. But, like, we can be at a point where very bad things may come out of this in the short term, and sure as shit, they already are. But 10, 20 years from now, we can improve from this, and then we'll have a new problem. But that problem would be a little lesser.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that's the beautiful thing about life, and that's how I try to look at it, even when I'm covering these stories. And like, we. And I have been covering it in the third episode every week with the solo episodes and all that. And, like, you know, you still gotta. You have to know when to be very, very serious about parts of it, for sure. Because life is not all one big joke, even when you want it to be. But, like, you have to have fun with the chaos as well. Well, because that's how we. That's how we talk our way through it. That's how we deal with it when no one's going to jail over things like Epstein. They just get away with it. Right. You deal with it through dark divine comedy, if you will. And I'd like to think that there will be some lessons learned from this. And I do think. I think the average American needs a lot more credit now than, you know, we would have gotten five, six, seven, eight, ten years ago. As to, like, there are more people who are aware that, like, some is. You know, and there's a lot of people who are aware of that because they've taken the time to be aware of that, and they maybe don't even really have that time to look into that because they got bills to pay, families to take care of and stuff. But they're still getting somewhat informed. What you were talking about early on, either before we started, right. When we got on air, you know, I don't know when the cameras start rolling, but, like, I think when you take that way too far and it becomes the whole meaning of your life, and your whole life is doom and gloom. Everything's Elmo. Fire me. Well, that's a problem. You can't be like that.

[B]

Yeah. And things. And things are becoming more exposed now. It's harder. It's harder to keep secrets now. Secrets come out easier. There's way more people out there. There's way more access to information. And secrets don't inherently encourage good behavior.

[A]

That's. That's right.

[B]

Secrets, I think, enable bad behavior. So that just goes to your point that if people are. It's harder for these. The government or whoever.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And companies, people like, you know, these billionaires that are running around with impunity, can't keep secrets, then they have to sort of, they have to act better. They have to be on their best behavior because they're not going to be able to get away with shit anymore. And that does give me optimism about all this shit.

[A]

Yeah. But I do think the other side of it, though, like, Joe Rogan talks about this a lot. Been talking about this for years. You think no one can keep a secret, but it is possible for larger groups than you think to keep secrets. And even today, where you're right, you can shine a light on the darkness more than you could in the past. And it's harder to keep a secret. That doesn't mean that there aren't things that, you know, 100 people keep a lid on.

[B]

Oh, of course.

[A]

You know what I mean? And that's what's wild. And I hate them for it. But I also like, damn. Respect the, the discipline. I don't know, but it's like you got these things floating around all day. They're recording everything we say. Imagine those guys. Like,

[B]

hello to our friends.

[A]

Yeah. Shabbat shalom.

[B]

Shabbat shalom. Who is it we had in here the other day? Who was selling? Oh, it was Glenn Greenwald. He was, he was saying, I would rather be an enemy of the CIA than an enemy of the Mossad.

[A]

Listen, Danny Jones. Oh man. He did. But bro, he was kind of saying what we were talking about a few weeks ago with him. I told you, I'm like, dude, I think I texted you and def this like four weeks ago. And then Glenn, who's actually like, no shit, was talking about this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was like, just objectively speaking, non political statement here. The next President of the United States, if he runs and if they don't kill him, and in the words of Lieutenant Otto Rain, and those are two big ifs, it'll be Tucker Carlson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because he's got the three things you need. He can run to the left of the neocons, to the right of woke. And he's got celebrity correct charisma.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, that's, that's the holy trinity of politics.

[B]

Right. Moxie, bro.

[A]

Yeah. And again, if he runs, huge if. And if they don't kill him, another Big if. But yeah. And it sounded like Glenn was saying. He's privately like, Ah, come on.

[B]

He's privately saying no, he just laughs at it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I hope is true. I hope that.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

It's a paradox. It's a paradox because you, the type of person that wants to run for president is not the type of person that you can really trust.

[A]

Here's the thing about Tucker Carlson, man. He's got some very different politics from me, but he's a brilliant guy who will tell you what the fuck he thinks, regardless of how it sounds to you, regardless of whether you're gonna agree with it or not. You know where he stands on things. And I think there's a level of genuine nature that comes through on that. And he's willing to. Maybe sometimes he goes too far with things because he gets a little pissed off and he talks about that like, you know, sometimes his emotions get the best of him, but like he's willing to go ask questions that other people are afraid to ask questions on. And that's getting the respect of people across the spectrum. I mean, I saw he did a podcast with Alex Gibney the other day.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. And Alex.

[B]

Could you imagine Alex Gibney did the BB Files.

[A]

Yes. Could you imagine Alex Gibney going on Tucker Carlson's show on FOX five years ago?

[B]

So goddamn left.

[A]

He's very left. But like there is some common ground on things.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

And, and that is, that is fascinating. So just. Cuz like, I don't know. That's one.

[B]

You don't have to change your politics to go from left to right. You can stay perfectly in the same. The same. You can stay exactly where you are on all your points that you believe in and the whole system will do

[A]

a 180 and it's doing it again. And, and, and, but that. That's the owner.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

All I ever think in life is like, you just don't. Oh, you made an assumption on that. You don't assume anything. Assume you're just wrong about all of it. The only thing that I can think of in my life that I felt some Zen on in the last nine years that has not shifted in any way, shape or form is when I figured out that like, it's all a sham, politically speaking. Like the left and right. It's a joke. It doesn't really. Even without me knowing about the Supra government idea and all the details of the Epstein files. Nine years ago I didn't know shit about that. But now it really makes sense. But I was just like, these aren't. This is not real. It's all in act. It's all a unit party. They get dinner at the same steakhouses in fucking dc. It's an inside job. It's bread and circus for the masses to fight over the things don't matter. And then, and this wasn't around in 2016, 2017, but one of the most common stories I tell on my podcast, I've probably told it, I don't know, 45 to 50 times over the years, is about one of your podcasts during the height of the pandemic with Stephen Kinzer. Because Stephen Kinzer basically explained it through a personal anecdote story so perfectly. So I'll repeat it now, but he was talking about when he was like the bureau chief for South America in the early 1980s and Carter had left the presidency. He knew Carter from being a journalist. When Carter was in office, he was maybe a year out of office and he found out Carter was going to become an down to where he was in South America. So he reached out to his team and said, hey, you know, I'd love to get a beer or whatever. Carter meets up with him. They, they're having a drink and you know, he's like, well, it's, it's been long enough since he left office. Maybe I can ask him some questions about what it was like. So he starts asking him what it was like to be president and all that. And Carter's like, oh my God, dude, it's insane. Like, and you just get in there and they're like, here you go, Keys to the kids kingdom. And now Kinser's explaining that he's feeling a little confident. He's like, okay, see how he approached this thing? He goes, what you do? What was like the first thing you did when you got in there? And Carter's like, I called every living president that still existed and I met with them individually. And Kinzer asks him, even Nixon. He goes, even Nixon. And so Kinser is like, all right, it. Who gave the best advice? And Carter gave a big shit eaten grin. And he goes, nixon. And Kinser goes, why? And he goes, because Nixon didn't bullshit me. And I'm paraphrasing here. Go listen to the episode from back in the days of concrete. But you know, he, he didn't bullshit me. He came in and he was like, listen, oh, the Congress is bullshit. The domestic politics, you can't do anything.

[B]

It's all controlled by the.

[A]

That's not what he Said clip that. But he's like, they're gonna fight 5% for healthcare or some. This way, that way. You can't really move anything there. There's nothing that you can really do. But the foreign policy, now, that's where you got.

[B]

That's where we can have some fun, boys.

[A]

That's where. And what he was saying is behind the closed doors, while everyone here is finding it, no Kings protests and like that. That over whether or not they're paying $700 a month or $600 a month for fucking health care. And whether or not they like Trump or not. There's things happening behind the scenes that now we have more awareness on. We've been talking about this throughout the episode, like the average person does. But like things that happen outside the borders, in other places with treaties and deals and backroom whatever and wars and death and not even the stroke of a pen. Sometimes. Sometimes it's just, I'll make that deal, drop a fucking bomb on a wedding and nobody knows nothing. That's where the real p. And that hasn't changed. And so that only added to how I thought about this, because I'm like this. It's all. It's all. And the politics comes back, like you were saying perfectly a few minutes ago. The politics comes back 180 again and again and again and again. And I've just. I've seen the movie too many times. I was like, liberal when I was in college. I was like a Trump conservative, whatever that is, right after college. College. And then I was like a all of them by the end of 2017. And I've been a all of them since the end of 2017.

[B]

Winston Churchill quote, if you're not a socialist when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.

[A]

And the Julian Dory quote is, and if you're either by the time you're 30, you're retarded.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

It's just. That's a little harsh way of putting it.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

But like, that's just. It's like the one thing that all the crazy. All the things I've had to change my mind on when presented with way better evidence that maybe I'll change my mind on again. Again. When better evidence comes from somewhere else. It's the one thing I haven't seen better evidence on. I've only seen stronger evidence over time. That. That's what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's all just a game, you know? And I think, I do think if there's one critique I have of society that I've had for a while, I think it's that people put way too much. Certain people put way too much faith in like some individual wearing a suit asking for their election vote on a Tuesday in November.

[B]

Member. Yeah.

[A]

Then they really even have the power to do, let alone the desire to do for the people that vote for them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and that, that's a, that's a cynical way of putting it. But that is one place where I'm pretty cynical.

[B]

I think one of the good things is like 10 years ago, maybe, maybe a little bit more. Yeah, I think 10 years ago is a safe bet. If what was happening right now with Thomas Massie and Miriam Adelson. Yeah, if that happened, she would get away with it.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But I don't think she can get away with it. I think she could spend a trillion dollars and it would just be Streisand effect. It would just be more people would know about it, more people would be calling it out. And I think it's going to work in the opposite. The fact that she's funding people against this guy, you know, I don't care. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the boomers are the only ones that vote. The people on Twitter who are seeing all this stuff, maybe they don't vote. Maybe it's a statistic thing. Maybe it's the fucking people like my parents and your parents that get all their information from FOX and cnn. They're the ones that are seeing all the comm that Mary Madison's paying for and they're the ones that actually vote. People, me and you, we don't vote. Well, I used to vote, but I'm not going to vote any longer.

[A]

Journalistic integrity, I do go vote. I write in.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Journalist. Journalistic integrity.

[A]

Loser.

[B]

But yeah, I wonder if that's. Maybe I could be wrong about that. I don't know.

[A]

I'll. I'll say this. I never been to Kentucky. I've heard great things. I've heard it's a fucking beautiful place. I'm sure there's people out there from Kentucky listening right now. Hope to hear from me in the comments and confirm that Kentucky is beautiful. From the little bit that I do know about Kentucky, I do feel like there aren't a lot of people in Kentucky who are waking up every day concerned about the well being of Israel. I don't think there's a lot of them. I think they're more Concerned with.

[B]

It's a bold take.

[A]

Yeah, very bold take. I'm saying the well being of Israel. I think they're much more concerned with how much groceries cost like a normal fucking person is, or whether or not their grandkids are going to have an opportunity to live in a better country than they live in right now. And when they have a representative who has also been extremely public in trying to be one of the lone people exposing one of the largest scandals, bipartisan scandals, I might add, in both directions. Bipartisans of people who are guilty and bipartisans of the voters who wanna see the fucking truth about it. It's something everyone agrees on for the wrong reasons or the right reasons, respectively. Like when they see that this guy who's trying to expose all that is the one that they're trying to run out of office. Yeah, I, I think that's a real black pill moment for the literal average person, including the older, less technologically inclined Boomer.

[B]

I, I want to think that too, but I, I, I, that's the point I wanted to make. But halfway through making that point, I realized I'm wrong because I've had this argument with my dad and people of my dad's age, the boomer class, about this and it's like talking to a brick wall. Wall. They don't hear it. They don't hear. It's that George Carlin thing we played yesterday, the George Carlin thing where he's talking about, Remember the clip I texted you yesterday? He's talking about people with their ideas become their identity. And then when you start to attack their ideas, you're attacking who they are and their identity, and then it just, just dissolves into, you know, a dumber argument. So I think that's what it is. I think, I think the, the, the older folks or the people that aren't tapped into like independent media, it has become their identity. Yeah. Watch that.

[A]

I agree with you. I think there's just more percentage in the past where it's not that way than there was two years ago.

[B]

Right. Need to click the audio.

[A]

Such a genius. Officially screwed yourself.

[B]

Because now it's not just an idea,

[A]

now it's, you get challenged. You don't hear disagreement, agreement.

[B]

You hear an attack.

[A]

Yeah. What do you do?

[B]

You build a bubble. A nice soft, padded little bubble where

[A]

everyone agrees with you, uses the same words, hates the same people, and claps at the exact right moments.

[B]

And you will defend that bubble at all costs, even if it makes you sound incredibly stupid.

[A]

Facts don't matter.

[B]

Anymore.

[A]

Logic's gone, humor dead. Because admitting you're wrong would mean admitting

[B]

you are wrong, and that's unacceptable. Acceptable.

[A]

So you double down. Louder, angrier, dumber, dumber. And that's how you end up defending nonsense like it's sacred scripture, not because it's true, but because without it, you'd

[B]

have to actually develop a personality.

[A]

Yes, dude, he's spot on. And it's like, I'm telling you, one of the most freeing things ever, ever, is being able to say, like, wow, I've seen better evidence I was wrong. You know, any. And I do it publicly, which is, you know, it's. I'm not just some private person behind a keyboard that no one knows what it is. Like, when you're wrong, you're wrong. And you can dig in and stamp your feed and be like, no, no, no, I'm right. But, like, after enough time, people are gonna be like, well, this guy's a moron.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Go look at Ben Shapiro's view. Views. People have seen through it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because he won't admit he's wrong. I have no. I have no sympathy for that.

[B]

Have you seen the. On the subject of Thomas Massie, there was a thing on Twitter the other day where he was fighting with Dan Bongino, and then they showed the time stamps. Bonino was in Israel. You can't make it up, dude.

[A]

What happened to him?

[B]

You can't make it up into that guy.

[A]

He looks a broken person.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, split down the middle. Like, just completely cracked. Like, you just watch.

[B]

What do you think they did to him when he got in for the first day at work?

[A]

But some. And like, I. I said, I. I never liked the guy at all. Not even a little bit. I always made fun of him, but, like, I respected when he went in there that here you had a guy who was making millions of dollars ranting and raving about the future of America to a bunch of people. People a little bit too close to the camera in that way, for being that fucking angry with the vain at all times. And, you know, he gave all that up for at least a short time to go make $100,000 or less or whatever and do a job where you're going to be constantly attacked because allegedly, he wanted to walk the talk. And he. I didn't. I wasn't really sure what his qualifications were as it pertains to FBI. He was a Secret Service guy. But, like, I was like, all right, he's going in there and he's trying to clean up some of the system he's complained about for so long, and I respected that. And then he looked like a hostage while he was doing it. Every time that they would come out and do these interviews and he'd be sitting next to Cash, who's. It's a whole separate issue. But you know, he would literally look like. He looked like that meme of the kid who literally is about to explode with the vein in the forehead, you know, and, and I had said. I said it with Mike Gagley in episode 351 back in October. I'm like, that's the guy I'm watching because he's going to leave there. I didn't know it was going to be two months later, but I'm like, he will not last this full term. He's going to go back to private life. And I want to see what he says when he does. And man, has he completely let me down. Because first of all, he blocks everyone. I've never added, congratulations, Congratulations.

[B]

You got blocked.

[A]

Yeah, he blocked me. I've never had him in my life. I just learned how to spell his name like a month ago. But like, you know, watching him simp for these outcomes. And then you see this latest one where he like, tries to expose Thomas Messi, it's like, dude, what are you doing? Like, forget privately, even publicly, this is one of the few people who's trying to expose the largest known fucking file intelligence, arms dealing, trafficking ring known to man. And that's the you used to complain about all day, righteously so on your show. And now you've gone behind the big blue wall, you've come out from the other side and you're going after this guy. Read the room. And so there's just the cynic in me goes, something happened to him. Yeah, someone said it. Hey, ain't nobody want to see these pictures of you. That's not me in the picture. It is if we say it is. I don't know who those people are. I don't know what they're doing it for. That's all speculation, but I wish Iran

[B]

would hack that guy's hard drive. They got cash. You see him doing the. The kukaracha? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Plus I'm. I'm never gonna. I'm never gonna go after someone for what's on there. What I will say, what I will go after is how the is the head of the FBI getting? Like, it's embarrassing.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like, it's just it like. And he's winning every Vegas. Odd. There is. Everyone's Thinking he's got to be the first guy getting fired from the Cabinet. Now we're like two down because Gnome got fired and now Trump's apparently.

[B]

I heard Bondi's gonna get fired now.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Bondi's now, at the time of this recording, reportedly about to get fired. Cash is still switching women.

[B]

Now, why would they fire Bondi?

[A]

I mean, the Dow. The d. The Dow is. She had to grab her notes. Is at 50,000. She wanted to say dollars. It's not dollars. Hun. You know, and she stopped herself. Is 50,000.

[B]

It's not. It's not dollars.

[A]

I've seen you, Raskin. You're a great trader from what I hear. Like, shut the up, bimbo. You're an attorney general. We don't claim her. All right, the Italian half of me then. I'm sure my 100 Italian people out there like, hey, we don't claim her. You know, like. And she was doing some interesting stuff with the Church of Scientology back in the day.

[B]

I heard. Well, she took money from him.

[A]

Just saying.

[B]

But we need to give her an exorcism over here.

[A]

Yeah, like, what are you doing? It's. It's just an. You know, the last administration would be. Biden was a global embarrassment, literally top to bottom. I mean, it was so in your face embarrassing that you were certain it was a play. You're like, this is a giant joke on everyone. And we're getting to the point for different reasons. They're different and the context is different. But where I'm getting the same feel. Feeling with this administration for wildly different reasons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And different manifestations of how that happens. But, like. Like, who the are these people?

[B]

Right?

[A]

What? And I'm not sitting here like, yo, I got the solutions. You should have hired this guy that. I don't know. That's not my lane. I'm a YouTuber. But, like, even my dumb ass can look at this and be like, you know, maybe the lady who's gotten a new face since 2018 isn't the person you want to be running 45 Homeland Security commercials with.

[B]

Yeah, they turn. They turn you into a lizard person. When you get in there, they do something, they inject you with the lizard DNA, and there's no turning back. That's why I don't think it's a good idea for Tucker Carlson to run for president. Nor Joe Rogan, nor anyone we love. Don't wish that upon them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The president. The President of the United States is not someone that you are ever going to revere. And if you do, if it's someone who's a good person, you have to assume it's going to turn them into a bad person.

[A]

Person. Yes.

[B]

That's the way you got to look at it. Just look at the Dan Bongino model. Look at the Dan Bongino model. Everyone loved him. He was calling out all the right things. As soon as he went behind the curtain and he came back out, he was a demon. And I think the same thing would happen to. I don't think it would h. I mean, I want to. I want to believe that it wouldn't happen with somebody like Tucker because I don't want to believe that he's that type of person. But if he actually becomes president, you got. You can't give him that. You can't give him that. That leeway.

[A]

Who. Yeah, who. Exactly. You can't give it to anyone. Who, who's to say you don't get, you know, opposite date when you get back there?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or they inject you with it and it's like the spongebob. Everything's the opposite.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like that's, it's, it's just. And it's all projection, what these people do, and it's. It's really disheartening, you know, and then

[B]

you realize that it's a house of cards.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

Dude, I was watching another one of those Adam Curtis documentaries there. I watched it for the second time. The. The hyper normalization where. The beginning of the. The beginning of the documentary, it sets it up, talking about New York city in the 1970s. And it talks about 1975, when all the middle class had left New York City. York City. And it had become just overrun with homeless poor people, pimps, prostitutes, corrupt cops. And the politicians were having these monthly meetings with the banks, issuing bonds in exchange for loans to help pay all the expenses to run the city. And eventually one day, the banks didn't show up. They had a 9am meeting with the banks. The press was there, the politicians were there. They're all waiting 9am comms. The banks aren't there. So they go, oh, we're going to re. Rescheduling for 11 o'. Clock. 11 o'. Clock. The banks don't show up. They go, oh, we're sorry, we're rescheduling. We're rescheduling for 4 o'. Clock. Finally, at 4 o', clock, the banks can't come. It come in and they say, we're not giving you your Money. And that's when the banks took over from the politicians and that's when the banks took control of New York City. And that's the same time Donald Trump came in and took advantage and made a deal with the banks to basically take all this overrun, all these overrun buildings and where what he used to do with his dad was basically turning out apartments, doing Section 8, that kind of stuff for like normal everyday people. Like people who could actually afford to live in like, like a modest way, middle income type people. He said, I'm going to take all these things and I'm going to turn them into luxury buildings, hotels, that kind of. So that was the moment explained in the documentary for what it's Worth, that it went from being what it was before 1975 to what it is now was when the banks took over. And then also Trump got like a, one of the biggest tax breaks in history at that point was worth like $150 million because he worked out a deal with the banks to redevelop New York into this high society hub and redevelop all these buildings. And like everyone that was living there was in such despair. And now the same, the same poor people that were living there in New York were now surrounded by like all this crazy wealth and luxury resorts and hotels and everywhere. But like they were somehow stuck in the middle of it and it didn't reflect their, their real lives and it started to become hyper normal. And he made that comparison with what was going on in the Soviet Union before it collapsed, how like everyone in the Soviet Union knew that society was falling apart. The government wasn't real, their economy wasn't real, everything was coming apart at the seams. But they were just trying to get through the day and pretending like their lives were normal until all of a sudden it wasn't. In 1990, 19, whenever it was 1991 when the Soviet Union fell. And it's so crazy because they draw that comparison with, with what was happening in, in Syria, with Assad, how Henry Kissinger went over there and basically made the deal and then he lied to Assad and then that whole thing happened and like basically created like the modern day terrorist. And it, it, like that's what it feels like in the United States right now. Cuz it feels like all the stuff that's coming out is like it's too crazy to be real. But worse, like not really. I mean us too. Yeah. But even although we are talking about it, it's our job, which is very unusual. But most people are going through the day, like trying to like ignore it because you have to. How else do you get through the day? How else do you go to your job and take care of your kids and you know, feed your, feed your baby, whatever, whatever it is you do. Like, you have to, you, you have to ignore it. There's no way to be sane and function in the society.

[A]

But this same exact thing, these same exact things that you have to ignore are the long term kick in the can down the road over and over again. Problems that have created the bad realities that we have right now that are short term trends that we have to fix that need to not become long term trends. Whether that is the fact that people have to make a fucking financial decision to have a child today, which is disgusting that that is what it is, but that is a reality.

[B]

We need to get Julian Dory some kids. I look forward to any takers out there?

[A]

There.

[B]

We got a, we got a sperm donor right here with great hair. We need some kids.

[A]

I don't have Dan Jones hair.

[B]

We, we can't go too much longer. We don't need Julian Door getting a robot doll in the year 2027. We need.

[A]

There's a wide range between robot doll and not having kids. But yes, I look forward to having a lot of kids with the right woman, good jeans, you know, the whole bit.

[B]

But it'll be good for you.

[A]

You got to offset these jeans. That's hard to do. So, you know, either way, like, having kids should not in any way be a financial decision. It is the college system being set up as it has been and sold in the way that it has been sold and inflated in the way that it has been inflated to create this never ending uncancelable debt on so much of society that could have avoided it in many ways or did not at the very least get the value out of it that they deserve to get is crazy. The expenses of everything, whether it's a house that you bought, like, like my grandparents bought a house for, I don't know, $21,000 or $20,000 in 1976 that they still have today. I don't know what it's worth. It's probably worth millions.

[B]

I will not accept like penny less than 1 million.

[A]

Oh no, it's. Oh it. Oh, it's worth a lot more than that for sure. You know, And I'm like, that's a whole generation that got to cash in on that and whatever. And you know what? I'm not even faulting the boomers for what that became but the fact that some of the power structures of boomers are the people who were in power, who allowed to get it to this point to where someone, you know, you can't even be in a position by like, I think about that all the time. Like I'm doing pretty decently on YouTube. It's running a business. So as you know, there's enormous expenses. I also live in New York, so running the business there is more expensive for sure. I can't buy a fucking house. I don't have the money.

[B]

Your rent at your apartment is probably more than what I pay for this place.

[A]

Probably more. Right, but like planning out your actual income and being able to do that and make that leap and get the place and have it and have the equity, like, that's crazy. That's great. Now I had no money three years from now, but so I like, I can remember what that was like. And then I'm looking at the average income of the average American, which might have been above that for sure because that was like at zero. But you know, either way it's not much. And you look at neighborhoods they look live in, maybe some places a dollar goes a lot farther for sure. It probably goes a lot farther in Nebraska than it does in Essex County, New Jersey for sure. But either way, like that American dream of like house, white picket fence, family of four, you know, decent school system. That's a whole separate thing. We just did a really cool podcast on, I want to tell you about off air. You know, that's dead right now and it can be brought back to life for sure. But I think I'm at the point at this moment where like we have to admit that that is dead before we can actually go, go in there with the jaws of life. Because I think a lot of people out there, myself included for a long time are floating along like, ah, it's going to figure itself out. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's. It, it, it's not like the, the ship has left the station and some things got to get fixed. Now does that mean, mean that like, and I understand why the Biden campaign wanted to do this when they came in, but does that mean coming in and saying we're going to cancel all college debt in one fell swoop is fair to all the kids that then had paid off their college debt that got nothing right from potentially doing something like that? It's not, it's not. So you have to have some hard conversations here for sure. But like, does that mean that I don't feel bad for the kid who was half drunk signing a paper at 7:17 that didn't even know what a dollar was that said you're gonna pay 180000 for your gender studies. Agree. And it's gonna work. And now they're 30 and pissed off because they're still 250, 000 in debt now. And it said 7% or whatever it is. And they're never gonna get out of it, never gonna own anything. They hate their job. They hate their life. Like, of course I feel bad for that kid. Yeah, I was when I was 25. What the do you think I was when I was 17, you know? So like, yeah, yeah. There's, there's, there's some broken and who. Tim Dylan just had a amazing everything

[B]

he rants about every single week he's been on fire. Pure gold.

[A]

Pure gold. But he had an amazing rant. A few.

[B]

Was it Jake Paul being the Red Heer?

[A]

That was an amazing rant, but that's not the one I'm talking about. Like, I feel like the people in Kentucky, they're not going to vote for Jake Paul. They're not doing it. You know why? He doesn't even live here. Like, hey, it was Shout Out Tim. Chef's kiss. But like he had this. That's the third Temple.

[B]

Jake Paul is the third Temple.

[A]

And. And he's like friends with Jake Paul. That's the best part. He's like, yeah, we go way back, but I feel like he's not running for us.

[B]

That's the great thing about Tim too is he doesn't give a. He doesn't. You could be his friend. He. He turns down dinners with Peter Thiel just so he can talk shit about Peter Thiel on his show.

[A]

That's amazing. I love that and respect that and I'm glad he's not friends with Peter Thiel. But like, you know, you should. But that's the job of like the brilliant comedians. We played the George Carlin clip. Like guys like Tim D have pieces of that now where they're also the. The gesture with serious cultural commentary done through an entertaining comedic lens. And we need that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like he had this one rant about the boomers accepting propaganda. I know you saw this one. And why they were okay with accepting their 8 o' clock news for whatever it said. Even if in the back of their head they're like, maybe that's not what I think, but la la la. I don't want to worry about it, because they could pay their bills, they could get their house, they could have their cake and eat it. It too. And now I don't think it was the intention of boomers to feel this way. On the average. It's not every boomer feeling this way, but on the average. The result though has been that the boomers are like the first generation in mankind that through their actions is not concerned about the world being a better place for their kids and grandkids as opposed to every other generation that's come before them where that's like their sole reason for existence. Trying to hope that the next generations have a better world. Again, I don't think the boomers, I mean, maybe, you know, your fucking drunk uncle does, but like most of the boomers, they don't actively think that, like, yeah, I want the world to be worse for my kids or I don't want to be a better place. They're not thinking that. Like that's. And that's not what Tim's saying. He's making a funny joke out of it. But like the actions that have occurred and the passive attitude to allow control vectors of society to come in and just be like, you know what? I can pay my bills, I got my house, I got my equity. It's fine and it'll work itself out. That has allowed this to manifest to where now again, we talked about those short term versus.

[B]

It's that famous saying that Rogan always says. The, the, the good times create weak men, weak men create bad times. Right?

[A]

100. And who are the boomers? They're the prophets in the fourth turning.

[B]

Right, exactly.

[A]

They're that first generation that grows up in the boom. We just won everything. We're the champions. Let's go. Bang, bang, bang. Everything's good times, good times rolling by the time we get to college. Now we're going to start looking inward. But you know, know what? We're gonna do it while we're on LSD and out at Woodstock. You know what I mean? And so they have looking inward.

[B]

That's the key point.

[A]

And they were. And in 1969, we were still on the gold standard too. So they were still riding high on that. And they got the, they got, they're like the surfer. You like surfing. They're the surfer that catches that way. When I'm not doing that, I will not get Joey Deep's ready. Joey Deef can do it. I don't have an insurance policy on himself, on Joey D. That's, you know, that's. He gets eaten He. I know he's out there. Like,

[B]

what's up? Shout out to Joey De.

[A]

Yeah, shout out. Producer Deep. But, like, out there in the Scarface Lounge, eerily in the center of this large echo chamber. It's a literal echo chamber out there that you have.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Like, I was like, walking around before you got here yesterday, like, Danny. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. But anyway, you know, what was I saying?

[B]

I forgot, remember? Oh, fourth turning.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the profits, like, they. They were catching the wave in the surfer game of life. Like, you know when you're right there. Cause I did surf when I was a kid. Contrary to your opinion, Jersey has some

[B]

of the best surf in the world.

[A]

Great surf in Ocean City, New Jersey. But, like, when you see that wave and you're like, fuck, I gotta battle to get there. And you just catch it in time and then you rip it. But the guy who was like, fucking four strides behind you missed it completely. The boomers are the people that caught that wave. And then Gen X starts started to miss it more. And then the millennials really started to mess it in. Gen Z is just, you know, and then you wonder why, why there's anger, why there's indignation, why there's generational fighting, you know, and that was. It's just symbolic. But we all know the famous.

[B]

The boomers, they weren't paddling for the waves, though. They were getting towed into the waves on jet skis.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They had ski ropes and jet skis were pulling them in. And now all the jet skis have run out of gas. Gas. And we have to learn to paddle again.

[A]

Yes. And they had their top China buffet right before going out there with a full stomach and didn't worry about throwing up for sure. You know, but there's now a reaction to that. And when there was that famous leaked call with the Israel situation where you had. This is back in the end of 2023, where Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, was on call going, like, we don't have. We don't have. We've been fighting this left versus right game. Prime example of the black pill, by the way. That is not the battle here. We have a TikTok problem. We have a generational problem. And he was referring, of course, in this case to, like, the Israel situation and the popular opinion on that. But overall go way beyond, like, foreign policy as it pertains to Israel. And just look at everything. It's a generational gap, right? It is less. Yes. You know, it may manifest in These left and right loud voices and it certainly does. I'm not saying it doesn't, you know, but the generational problem is, is, is the bigger story to me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, 100.

[A]

Can I take a piss real fast?

[B]

Yeah, sure. We'll be right back. I saw yesterday on the news that this county, Pinellas county, has. The population here has been like cut by, by a million people in the last year. A million people. This used to be the second biggest county left. No, no, no, no, no. This is Pinellas is the number two most dense county in Florida. Number one is Miami.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And this is number two. Actually, it might be backwards. This might be number one. And Miami might meet. Might be number two.

[A]

People are leaving.

[B]

What are, what are the most population dense counties? But yeah, I saw something that said a million people have left this count county and probably all counties in Florida over the last year or something like that.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I'm not sure why. It might have something to do with like the residual people that came down from New York after the pandemic or just going back up north. Pinellas county is the most population dense county in Florida with over 3, 400 people per square mile due to its largely developed peninsula. While Miami Dade has the highest total population in general, Pinellas holds the, holds the highest quality concentration, followed closely by Broward.

[A]

Yeah. Before I knew you and Matthew B. Cox, I had always been on the east coast of Florida. I've been coming to Florida all my life, but never hit the West Coast. It's a great area.

[B]

The west coast is fire.

[A]

I love, I love the east coast. The west coast has a different vibe too. It's like, well, there's, there's different, but

[B]

you get a, you get a complete different experience in every single part. Yep. You go to Jacksonville, you get a unique experience. You go to, I mean, Orlando's cool. They got nice golf courses and. But, you know, mostly known for like Disney or whatever. Then you go to, you come here, it's great. You got great wild life here. You got some of the best seafood here, the best fishing here. You have the Everglades, you have the Keys. Have you been to the Keys?

[A]

I've never been. My cousin Becca loves it down there.

[B]

Florida Keys are like the Twilight Zone, bro. It's a completely different universe. And then you have Miami, which is like hell on earth.

[A]

I love Miami.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't spend like more than three, four days there at a time because I feel like you're going to leave with a criminal record.

[B]

It's kind of like Vegas, like the best two days in, going to Miami. Other day you get there, the day you leave.

[A]

All right, then I think that's a little much, but I like my. I, I, I love Miami.

[B]

It's gross now. It used to be, it used to be great.

[A]

Where, where is it gross?

[B]

Downtown. Where? Wherever we were, we were in downtown Miami.

[A]

Really never spent.

[B]

The last couple times I've been there, it's just been trashed.

[A]

I spend time on South Litter everywhere.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. South beach is a little different. Yeah, south beach is nice.

[A]

South beach is cool.

[B]

South beach is nice. Great breakfast, great restaurants, great restaurants. Great restaurants. It's kind of like stuck in the 90s.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

You know, a little bit of it's like a 90s vibe. Kind of old school. Not. Not a lot of chains.

[A]

What's that private island that Peter Thiel and Tom Brady live on? You know what I'm talking about in Florida? Is that a part of Southeast? That sounds familiar.

[B]

I have a friend who lives on Cubis Cane. Yeah, my buddy, My buddy who films all those movies with. Who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the Pete Succarini.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He lives on Key Biscayne.

[A]

That's one of my favorite podcasts you

[B]

ever did on the island.

[A]

On the island and on the boat. Yeah, that was pure.

[B]

We literally jumped in the, in, in the bay in Biscayne Bay, and we were, like, swimming around filming all the fish and stuff like that.

[A]

See, Danny Jones is a humble guy, everybody, but, like, this dude was trained by the number one underwater cinematographer of all time and did. He's responsible for the entire movie. Dolphin tail.

[B]

Like, I am 100 responsible for that movie.

[A]

Like, he was down there swimming with Morgan Freeman. Like, no, no, I need you to the left. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, I remember I cried. I was thinking about this the other day when I was. One of the days we were filming that. I was sitting on the side of the set with his stand in because Morgan Freeman wasn't always there. He'd be sleeping in a chair off in the corner, but his stand in was this shorter guy who looked just like, like him, who didn't have a fake hand. And he was standing there one day and I, I remember I cracked a joke or something like that, and he was standing right there, and I forget what the joke was. And he looks at me and everyone was laughing, and he was not laughing. And he looks at me, he goes, are you being facetious? And I was like, what? I didn't know what the facetious meant I had never heard that word in my life.

[A]

Life.

[B]

I thought he was talking and they were like, danny, Danny, Danny, go. Go get us coffees.

[A]

Go get back underwater. Throw the goggles on. Oh, man, that's good.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But like, Pete, he did. What'd he do? Life of Pie.

[B]

I forgot about that. Yeah, he did all the pirates. Life of PI. Yeah, he is like, he did Dark

[A]

into the Blue, right?

[B]

Yes. Yep. He did End of the Blue with Jessica Alba. And who's the other guy?

[A]

Paul.

[B]

Paul. Paul Walker. The klepto.

[A]

What?

[B]

I. I heard someone told me that he. He might have. Might have been a kleptomaniac, but I

[A]

thought I wasn't allowed to talk about that. We literally. I just brought that up on a podcast with D from like.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

This one off camera?

[B]

Yeah, I've heard crazy stories about Paul, but great guy, friend of the show.

[A]

Jessica Alba. Still got it, though, by the way.

[B]

Oh, yeah. What was I gonna say? Oh, no, no. Pete also did the most recent Avatar movies. He filmed all the Avatars.

[A]

He's goated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's next level.

[B]

Pretty incredible life, dude, when your life is just literally building submarines for video cameras. Oh, dude. He also did the. The Harmony Kareem beach bum with Matthew McConnell. Monahay. Have you ever seen that one?

[A]

No. Can we pull this up? Harmony Kareem Beach Bum.

[B]

So you know who Harmony Kareem is?

[A]

No.

[B]

Harmony Korean's a director. He did Gummo. He did Spring Breakers. He did Beach Bum.

[A]

Spring Breakers. Okay.

[B]

He's like a legendary, sort of like indie, like, weird film. One of my favorite filmmakers. What the. Well, I got my bubble popped about him, dude. So let me tell you a crazy story about Harmony Cream before you play this. Harmony Kareem was one of my all time, like, top tier guests I wanted to have on the show. He lives in Miami. I know people who know him. Yeah. I know people who are friends with them and I've had them trying to lobby for me for years. I've always wanted to get him on the show. We finally got a response from him. We got. One of our mutual friends got me his email and Steve emailed him and he responded with a response that on one hand broke my heart and on the other hand, made me respect him more than I could ever have imagined. His response was, Steve, thank you for your email. I could not be more uninterested in doing his podcast.

[A]

Hey, look, I appreciate.

[B]

I like him even more now.

[A]

I appreciate the. I like people that are Direct like

[B]

this is the Beach Bum. We'd probably get copywritten for this month.

[A]

And it's also the red band trailer. Just heads up but.

[B]

And it's like one of those movies where it's not like he doesn't edit it like a movie. He edits, he edits it like, like one of those films that are not edited. It's like just this long, never ending, no cuts really. It's just kind of like this free flowing narrative, you know what I mean? It's so, so unique. But I found out, one of my guests, Travis Kitchens, me told, told me, he goes, did you know Harmony Karine donated millions of dollars to the idf? I was like, no,

[A]

he was doing so well.

[B]

He was doing so good.

[A]

He was doing so well.

[B]

It's no wonder he said he could not be more disinterested.

[A]

He looked at the guest list. Curiosity.

[B]

He's a legend, dude. There's a story that he was on. He was on David letterman in the 90s, I think for Gummo, his first hit movie. He was going on David Letterman and something happened. What happened in the green room where basically they kicked him off the set. They caught him in the green room like going through somebody's purse and like doing a bunch of blow or something like that.

[A]

And very Paul wow Walker of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then they, they kicked him off the set of David Letterman. Legend highly recommend the Beach Bum. And he just did. His new movie is actually all shot in. It's shot. Remember we were showing this the other day? It's shot in like night vision or something.

[A]

Night vision, dude.

[B]

He's like, he's like redefining what it means to like make movies.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

He's like on the cutting edge, right? Like just trying out the most insane new with his cameras and like how he shoots his movies and still able to get like a list fucking people in there.

[A]

Well, we need that too because there's been such a step back with quality films.

[B]

Find that. Find the thing for his new movie too.

[A]

There were a few good ones last year but that was like the first time in a while where I'm like, oh wow lot. All right. There's a few options here that are like really well done. But yeah, you know that medium of create a two, two and a half hour movie to tell a full story in a world where people are getting used to 10 episode 12 episode seasons that are five seasons long where you get to really know the nitty gritty ins and outs of a character. It's Tough.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Look, this is what his new movie looks like. You don't even have to play the audio. Just like show what. What it looks like. And it's shot in four by three.

[A]

It's not even that.

[B]

Travis. Yeah. Travis Scott, dude.

[A]

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. It's interesting.

[B]

It's just mindblowing.

[A]

Yeah, good for.

[B]

It's the type of. That just like sort of breaks your brain. Cuz you've never seen anything like it before.

[A]

That's right. You got to try things.

[B]

We should start doing the podcast like this. Oh, this is. This is called thermal infrared. Infrared. There you go. Like those drones that sucked up the airplane into the wormhole.

[A]

How was John the other day, by the way? You just had him in here.

[B]

He was great.

[A]

You have fun as always.

[B]

He was as good as always, man.

[A]

Your podcast with him are always classics.

[B]

The like I told you, we sat down and he did the first 45 minutes telling me this crazy story.

[A]

Oh, the one you came for like

[B]

30 to 45 minutes. And then I'm like, that was awesome, John. Don't tell me we can't put that on there. You can't put it on there.

[A]

That's the thing. Like, as nuts as the things you hear him talk about on camera are, the stuff that.

[B]

That's off camera.

[A]

Off camera is bonkers. It's like we did in the last one. We had our audio guy in there as well, who comes in to check out the audio sometimes when we have like a. Something wrong with like the little static or whatever. And so at the end, John went on one of the. Of those rants after we were done with one of those stories. And Phil, well, he gave you a

[B]

scoop on your podcast. I'm like, John, you better not be coming in here without a.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, oh, sorry.

[A]

Unfortunately that age. Well, he was upset about that. When I came through the door, it was obviously. But he was 195 right about it. He was off by about three days. But you know, know, I, I knew when, like when. First of all, I thought it was going to be one of those. We're talking about when John was basically saying the Iran war was a go and that they were on board. And this was a week before it happened, but he thought it was going to be Monday or Tuesday. And that was the one part I kind of. Even before camera, I was like, I don't. He's got the State of the Union Tuesday. I feel like he ain't going in Monday or Tuesday. And Trump cares too much about the markets to do that. But he might have done it if. Because when we got off air that day, that Friday, February 12th, 20th, the fucking Mike Huckabee with Tucker interview dropped. And he caused that huge fucking problem, saying, yeah, it was real good. I have the whole Middle east for all I care. And then suddenly like even Saudi Arabia was calling up the White House. Like, what the fuck? You know, the ambassador to US Ambassador to Israel saying that is crazy. But. So maybe he would have gone in on Monday or Tuesday, but I still think it probably would have been the next weekend. Either way, I thought it was going to be one of those where he's like, I can't talk about that because he literally walked through the door and explained it, explained the source, the whole bit. He was just pissed off, pissed off. And he's like, I want to do it on camera. And I was like, what? Are you sure about that? He's like, yeah, yeah, I am.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I'm John Kara, I'm here to podcast.

[A]

And then at the end we'll do that. And then. Yes, that was, that was my favorite, by the way.

[B]

We're gonna start this podcast with one of those. We're gonna have Julian walk through the door and be like, I'm Julian Dory and I'm here to up now.

[A]

That was one of my. That intro edit was one of my favorites that I've done in a while. Cuz it just like click, you know, you have him and me going back and forth about like, if you were going to fake Epstein's death, how would you do it? And then it just drops into John on the steady cam or, or the vertical cam, like, hello, I'm John Kiriaku and I'm here to up. And he just turns around, slams the door into the darkness.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I thought that you convinced him there, but then I asked him yesterday, I was like, so do you think Epstein still could possibly be still alive? He goes, no chance.

[A]

I haven't talked to him about the latest stuff I've seen. Cuz we recorded that before. I did this other stuff. Right, that's another thing.

[B]

Ah, the photographer was there.

[A]

That's another thing about John. John will, as you know, he will change his mind on things when he's presented with better evidence, for sure. And he will talk about it on air. So I do want to see, see what he says when I go through some of this stuff with him.

[B]

What was. Speaking of Saudi Arabia, what was this Latest thing that happened with, like, they did a deal with the Ukraine. Did you see that?

[A]

What that might have been.

[B]

That might have been a fake Twitter thing, but apparently half the I see on Twitter is fake. I see these fake stories. I got to scroll down to see what Gro says. But there was something I saw that said MBS went behind Trump's back and did a deal with the Ukraine or something. Something like that.

[A]

All right, let's see what this is.

[B]

Yeah. See if we can find Steve that he's gonna look it up.

[A]

That's the thing. Everyone overlooks Ukraine. It's like people who dying there every day still all these years later. And it's like, oh, yeah, that one.

[B]

Ukraine announces a mutually beneficial deal with Sutter. What? When was this posted? Is there a date?

[A]

This is March 26th. Yeah. Okay, so Kiev, which has built expertise on how to counter drones, Seals pact amid Iran war.

[B]

Scroll down. What's the first thing Ukraine says it assigned a defense agreement with Saudi Arabia as Gulf countries continue to come under Iranian attack in the United States and Israel's warning round. Vsky, who arrived in the kingdom on Thursday, said on X that an important arrangement has been made ahead of the meeting with the Saudi Crown Prince, Muhammad bin Salman. What does that mean in English?

[A]

Well, it means that this is the first I'm seeing it, but what I

[B]

saw was that on X was that Trump didn't. They did it behind Trump's back. Without Trump, Trump's like, seal of approval or whatever.

[A]

He's lost a lot of leverage. He's lost a lot of leverage, especially with the Gulf states, and deservedly so, because. Did you watch his statement last night?

[B]

I did not, no.

[A]

Yeah. Don't.

[B]

I'm not going to.

[A]

Waste of errors. Basically, someone tweeted it out perfectly. They said, I forget who it was. So shout out to whoever it was. Sorry, I can't remember, but they're like, basically, it was just a chronological re. Speaking of his true social tweets over the past two weeks.

[B]

That's what it always is.

[A]

But this one was particularly monotone, boring, and said a whole lot of nothing about nothing. When they stopped every major channel to cut to the thing and like, the whole wink, wink shadow, oh, I'm calling it a military whatever, instead of a war. When then he goes in the next interview and says, I gotta check in on the war. It's so weird, man. Like, what are we doing? I don't know. And like.

[B]

And what about continue. I don't. I don't. That's that question was going to derail everything that was going to send us down a rabbit hole we were not going to get out of.

[A]

Well, hold that thought. Let's, let's, let's go down that rabbit hole. I bit my tongue there. But like, I really only have one thought here, which is that no one's, no one who actually understands something about the situation. Not all the details, but just some. Something is arguing that like the Islamic regime, the IRGC is great. That's not what it is. They're terrible. They hurt their own people. That's demonstrated even with some of the propaganda against them, for sure, where it's exaggerated like they are what they are. This has been an awful regime for 47 years. But like they've been a paper tiger again and again and again. And it's not our job to go play world police for other people. They're killing people.

[B]

That's what the biggest argument is. When I talk to my parents, when I about talk, say, like, they say, how many Americans have they killed? Like, I don't know how many Americans, they go, how many of their own people have they killed? Like, okay, they're, they're literally trying to do a coup against their government and we're telling them to rise up and coup their government. What happens when America tries to rise up and do a coup over their government?

[A]

Boom.

[B]

What does the American government do? How about they kill people?

[A]

How about Scott Bent running around Davos, the Treasury Secretary? That guy's January fucking bragging about all the sanctions he's putting on Iran, which was going to send their currency to zero and put the people in the streets to rise up against the regime, in which case the new which is totalitarian, is therefore going to kill a bunch of these people and it'll cause a problem that will be beneficial to the United States. And it's like, so if you load the bullet for the psycho, are you, you innocent? I don't think so. That doesn't sound like a good guy statement. That sounds like someone who is very happy to be complicit in lives being lost if it means that, you know, we can get a little financial gain here. Which, by the way, how has that worked out, Scott, how weird is it

[B]

maybe not weird at all that Scott Besant used to work for George Soros? Who Besent.

[A]

Oh, I didn't even know that.

[B]

Yeah, he was on the board of directors for this one of his first like main Foundation. Foundation.

[A]

How did I not know this?

[B]

Google it. Type in Scott Besant. George soros connection or whatever. And he'll tell you all about it.

[A]

Also, the problem with George, he's everywhere, Scott. He's everywhere.

[B]

Tied to everything. Tied to mom, Donnie Mandani.

[A]

He's tied to everybody, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you can't. He's tied to some of the same, like, you know, in some weird way, like a typical southern right wing Republican who's railing against George Soros and like somehow there's something that's within them that, that he's in. And they may not. In their defense, they might not even know it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it's impossible to get away from. Wow. Oh, he sounds worked for George Soros

[B]

for decades, most notably as the partner and chief investment officer at Soros Fund Management.

[A]

That's not back door at all. That's right through the front door.

[B]

He helped orchestrate the 1992 bet against the British pound Black Wednesday. Even know what the that is?

[A]

It was a currency war, if I'm remembering that.

[B]

And later launched his own firm with 2 billion in backing from Soros in 2015.

[A]

Chief investment officer from 2011 to 2015. How about London office video, dude, the

[B]

video of him doing the interview and then walking away to go meet Trump in that meeting.

[A]

I want to know what the they saw on there.

[B]

What was that?

[A]

I want to know what the they saw in there. But like, you know, there's. It's tough to like, what do you even know what's real and what's not from over there in this AI era? We've already seen this with the Ukraine war where we don't know what's real and what's not. Now it's on a whole different level. What's clear is that there's some severe reverberations that are happening around the world that we can see particularly economically as well, to where it's like, oh man, this isn't going exactly how they planned. Like, what does it look like? I'm not entirely sure. I'm not going to sit here and say every video I watch watch, I'm like, that's definitely real. I don't know. Like you were saying, I'm a guy in a seat in America. You know what I mean? I'm not in the situation. But like, what did Scott See on March 13th when he was pulled out of that meeting? I would love to know. Because he was spooked. I enjoyed him being a little spooked, by the way. I didn't enjoy what it could possibly mean though, you know, because it could be a litany of Things.

[B]

And then he went on to say something about his children going to fight.

[A]

Trust them.

[B]

He would trust his.

[A]

Trust this president to send his daughter. His son. I think.

[B]

I think he said daughter too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, maybe I could. I could be wrong.

[A]

He's like, my son is coming to the age of. It was so weird, bro.

[B]

Who says something like that?

[A]

He's such a. He's a weirdo, apparently. Isn't he the guy that like, knocked out Elon Musk, like, got in a fist fight with him?

[B]

Was that. That was the guy.

[A]

I think it was Scott. I know. I didn't see that in him. He didn't. He doesn't look, by the way, just

[B]

that rocket launch s yesterday, bro.

[A]

I did. I thought everyone was playing in April. So did I. I was like, get the out of here. Then my mom called me about it.

[B]

I was like, oh, I would love to know from NASA, was there a technical reason that they couldn't do it on. On April 2nd? Like, why did they have to do it on April 1st? Other than. The most obvious fact is that it's all. We never went to the moon in the first.

[A]

Well, let's get Jesse Michaels on the case. That's my answer. Jesse.

[B]

He's the guy.

[A]

He's tack there listening. Go find out, buddy.

[B]

Shout out to Jesse. Find out. Find out why they had to do that on April Fools.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And you see the toilet broke on the rocket too. They broke the toilet. Now they're flying around in their own up there. The toilets broke, the toilet broke.

[A]

Backup plan for that.

[B]

They're up there in anti gravity flying around dodging turds.

[A]

Oh, that's poor people. Yeah, I mean, it is their lifelong dream.

[B]

Yeah. And then what were you looking up?

[A]

Were you looking up something Steve's scheming back there?

[B]

Oh, what's this? Oh, no, this is different. This is the. Okay, so this guy is saying that's not a toilet. This guy. No, no, no, this is a different thing. This guy is saying that the astronauts escaped the rocket right before. Look, punch full screen. That.

[A]

Oh, oh, no. Oh, no, that's the.

[B]

No, that's the thing that goes down the zip line.

[A]

This is why we can't have nice things. This is why we can't have. I mean, that could be the janitor about to get 47 cruise missiles.

[B]

If you're going to fake it, you don't have to put them in there in the first place. Like, nobody knows if they're in there or not. You just. If you're going to Fake it. Don't even put them in there.

[A]

You don't know.

[B]

But yeah, I was walking in the grocery store looking in the sky so I could see the rocket, but there was too many clouds. 10 days.

[A]

It is crazy, though. Danny Jones. This war has been going on for five, six weeks, five and a half weeks, whatever it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they have. It has done the job. It has buried much of the Epstein files for sure. De and I are holding on like stone age, like. Like to Tom. Tom Hanks hanging out on the island, clinging to life in. What was that movie with Wilson? Cast Away.

[B]

Cast Away.

[A]

We're just like one of the last frontiers talking about Epstein. And it's. It's what? Because, like, you knew it when they were. Oh, oh, you had to do this right now? Right now?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right when you're in the middle of all this and The Dow's below 50,000

[B]

because you're blowing all this. Remember the days when we were worried about just putting the word Epstein in

[A]

a title demonetized right away on YouTube? Right away.

[B]

Full 180.

[A]

Oh, by the way, this is one thing I will give the Trump administration huge credit for. That still holds to this moment. And when it changes, I'll shred them. But, like, there is no doubt that one of the issues that did CA180 that we can clearly see across most topics at least, is open dialogue online.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

It has. I'm not just talking X, I'm talking on all the platforms. Like, there are things. Instagram night and day is run by things that, like, two years ago, what, you would have been banned in the kingdom fucking come.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For putting on. And a lot of it's comedy, by the way, which I like. But, you know, that is certainly. That is certainly one thing that, that has been a positive that I don't, you know, if. If it's a Kamala Harris administration, I don't think that happens. I don't.

[B]

So the question I was going to ask you, that's going to send us down a

[A]

third act. Let's go.

[B]

We're two and a half hours into this.

[A]

We are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, we're not here.

[B]

What do you make of Steve Bannon the other day saying Netanyahu's kid should get sent to Iran? They took a video of Netanyahu's kid walking around his balcony.

[A]

Miami.

[B]

Of his Miami apartment or whatever, like I said. And how sweet.

[A]

Danny Jones. I call it like I see it w Steve Bannon on that one. And I'm the president, longtime president of The Steve Bannon hate club. But he's 100 right about that. Like that.

[B]

I know, I know, but it's not, it doesn't, nothing's making sense with this dude with Steve Bannon, with the things he says publicly and the things that we, that we know that he's done and been a part of and people that he's been like all of the emails with him and all of his connections to Israel, all of that, like, what the is this guy? He's a anomaly. Yeah, we don't need to see it.

[A]

It, it's a Steve Ban. Oh. When I broke the news to Kurt Metzger, this was one thing Kurt actually didn't know. Like very rare for Kurt Metzger not know something. But when I broke the news to him that Steve Bannon was, was like the chief financier for Seinfeld, the hat. He didn't know that the hat and glasses came off and he was just like, oh my God, I can't believe what I'm hearing right now. I'm re questioning my whole life. I'm like, oh yeah, I don't think it affected the content, if we're being fair. But maybe, I don't know, I fucking love Seinfeld. But you know, guys like Steve Ben, in my opinion at least at some first of all, the start of the opinion is we don't even know past the ground surface of what it really is. It could be a lot of different things, a lot of decision tree possibilities, but at the ground surface, he's a chaos agent. Whatever his end goals are. I don't know because it's like you said, it's all over the place. One day it's one thing, the other day it's like, that's a counter nature narrative.

[B]

But like what is the purpose of a chaos agent?

[A]

I, I, I genuinely don't mean this to answer it like an but someone to sow chaos into the conversation who has a voice at the table of the people that listen that you seek to control. And so with a guy like him, I think if you could just spread narratives and get people to be religious like George Carlin was talking about, about these narratives, you can then change them without people knowing. You just turn the aisle like you were saying with the 180 at the drop. You get them married and yes, they'll follow you like a cult leader. And that's the thing, cult is the root of the word culture. Which again, you know, that's kind of stretching. You know, it's like saying like history Is like his story, man. It's not quite like that, as far as I know. Check me in the comments on that. But like, Steve Bannon's a guy who has been obsessed with culture in his whole life. And he has. He's a very smart guy. I will never take that from him. He's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant man. But like, here's a guy who, one of his main calling card quotes is like, politics is downstream from culture, meaning it's not top down politics to culture, it's culture to politics. And that led into the era of like Donald Trump winning, which was the prime example of that coming to fruition, where you had the fucking reality TV star, celebrity real estate guy winning the highest office in the, the land, you know, And I don't know what the end goals are for that for Steve. I don't know who he works for. I've just always been very confident since I read Henry Abbott's work in 2021. We've discussed this many times.

[B]

We talked this on the first podcast.

[A]

Yep, I've been confident. And that age really well, that March 2022 recording you and I did, where we talked about this, like, I just know. No, Steve Bannon is involved with intelligence. I didn't need to see the Epstein files to know. And again, that's an opinion. Like, it's my opinion. But like, I think now I have a lot of evidence to be even more than I had in the past to be able to back it up. He finds his tentacles in the middle of everything, everywhere, all at once, over a three to four decade period. Perfectly timed with all different types of things that happen in culture. Happens once, coincidence twice. Maybe a coincidence three times. It's getting interesting. 4, 5, 6, 7, 10 times, culminating with you getting an office right next to the Oval Office in the White House as the chief advisor to the President. This is the Guy Financing Seinfeld 25 years before.

[B]

Yeah. It's just strange. It's just strange. Like I told you, there was a couple nights when those Epstein files first came out where I was sitting on my, on my laptop combing through all of the emails on jmail like I was Game of Thrones. And I read like 300 emails from Bannon. And the first 150. Were Epstein just chasing him down, chase stalking him? Yes. Are you going to be in Miami? Are you going to be in Lauderdale? Are you going to be in New York? I'm in New York. Where are you? Can we meet? Can you meet me here? Bannon dodging him Ducking and dodging him at every turn for like the first few hundred emails for years, like, literally, like, going out of his way to like, Epstein sent him six emails. Emails. Bannon responds with one. One word email. That's how it was. And like, it doesn't. What's funny, it doesn't make sense. Like, why, if he was literally, like, if they were that tight and they were working together that much and Epstein was the one that was like, in charge and had all this power and was manipulating things, why is Epstein chasing him down like he's some. Some prize?

[A]

Because I think Epstein. This is pure spec right now, as def. And I say. But I think Epstein saw the potential of the world crashing in on him. I think he saw that the puck might not be going to the corner of the ice that he always thought it would be. And I believe. Let's go back to the. What Tucker Carlson described this as, as the system of the supra government. Supra S U P R A I love this.

[B]

Like shadow government.

[A]

Yes. But he layered it perfectly, right? You know, the layer of world leaders like the president, prime ministers of other powerful countries, et cetera, and the leaders of industry, who are the ones who directly finance them, that we can see. We, you know, society always assumed that was the top layer. And what Tucker was saying is not only is it not the top layer, there's actually two layers above it. The layer at the top is the people who really run the world, the banking families and stuff like that. I think the Rothschilds and the people that are very actually quietly in the shadows financing everything. And then the layer in between them is the fixer class, which is filled with very powerful, very wealthy people who you would think are just floating along in what is the third class, paying for the politicians or whatever, but really they just work for the top class, the banking class, on their behalf. Behalf. They're the Mike Erment Trout. Walter White thinks he's gone until Mike Erment Trout shows up in his Lincoln Town Car and looks at him like he has 10 heads and says, here's what you're going to do, Malaka, right? Because he actually works for Gus Fring, right. Who is the banking families, right? So these people live under the illusion that they have power. And so there's people that we can see directly what class they're in. And Epstein clearly was in the fixer class class. And then a guy like the president, like Trump is clearly in the third class right there. But then there's other people where it's like you could make the argument for all three, actually. Like a Bill Gates. I could make the argument for each layer for Bill Gates. I'm not really sure where that lands. Steve Bannon's another one that I'm not entirely sure, but I do lean towards. He was also in the fixer class, really. And so if he's in the fixer class, and Epstein, who's in that class as well, sees the world crashing in on him a little bit. And here's a fixer who was riding high at that time. He had just put the guy in the fucking White House, was floating around the world, had a very public name, had a lot of people behind him who would believe anything he said. If I'm Epstein, he's my PR guy. He's a guy I want to get on his side. I'm not playing a left right game, but I'll use it if I got to use it. And this is spec. I don't know. But that, to me, that also stood out, how he was really trying to get around him. And he would brag about that. This. There's a story that got wiped from the Internet. There's been a lot of this. We've talked about this before. We talked about it in 2022. We were on the show. I was talking about how Page Six got wiped in the archives over the years. But there was a story where Epstein, the person writing the story, I think, had interviewed Epstein in 2017 or 2018. I can't remember. Right after the weekend that he spent with Bannon where he was bragging about going on camera with Bannon for 18 hours, which now we've only seen. Seen what, two, three, four hours of it. But there's apparently at least 14 to 16 other hours, if probably more than that. But that we know of, that's at least been reported by Jeffrey Epstein in the past with his own mouth. I wish I could find that article. It's gone. But it was.

[B]

What publication was it? I don't remember, but I remember it was Page Six.

[A]

I remembered that. That's different. That's a different one. Because Page Six archives some stuff is related to sightings and people who hang around and things like that. The OT to flight time as well. I think that article was hidden for a while, but this one was another article. I was reading it four or five years ago, and I cannot for the life of me find it today. But there's an email. I think it wasn't a text. I'm pretty sure it was an email where Bannon and Epstein are going back and forth once they now have a relationship to where Bannon says, you have a jihad against you. The likes of which I've never seen. And I've really seen some.

[B]

Some. Yeah.

[A]

And now he's clearly talking from a character cleanup PR perspective with Jeffrey. And to me, I think it was like, what's a good example in. In the real world among us that. That I could make here? But it's like when. I'm trying to think of, like, an athlete experience. Oh, you know what? It's kind of. It's like this when an athlete has been really great and they're starting to get a little older and maybe they're losing their fastball a little bit, and their buddies who are from their same era, who are still greater playing on a team, and they're like, you know what? I want to come join your team now. You know, like, kind of like Carmelo went to the Lakers to play with LeBron or something like that, to try to kind of hang on there. I think that's where Epstein was at. And he viewed Bannon as like a LeBron at that time. And I think he was probably correct to do that. You know, and again, I'm the best I can do is speculate here, but

[B]

he's got such an interesting history.

[A]

Yeah. Steve has been. You want to talk about a Forrest Gump? He has been the Forrest Gump of culture and where culture clashes with political ideology and society. Society since the 80s. And again, shout out to Henry Abbott, who I just recorded with that episode is probably out now when this is coming out, but I'm not sure it'll be out right around the same time. You know, he had this man, and you and I have talked about this for years. He had this in 2021. He's the one that really officially full blown blew the whistle on Steve Bannon for me, because he made all these connections. And then there were a couple connections I was able to make through other people after that. As to places Steve Bannon had been, I was like, holy, holy man. Like, you don't get into the. All those situations unless you're a part of it. I'm sorry, you don't. He's not an idiot. The only other explanation is that he's just the most useful idiot of all time who happens to provide value at all these places where he shows up to be a useful idiot. And that's not a good explanation. It's an insult to my intelligence.

[B]

Right. And if he's got so much Money. Why the. Is he still doing a daily podcast talk show and.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And with Cox running ads in the middle of it. Title lock.

[A]

Oh, he's just totally. He's totally ignoring the situation, which is what he's done since. Since. That's why I brought that up in 2022 with the documentary. I'm like, he brought this out himself and said he's going to release this big documentary, and then now he won't do it. And when people ask about him, he's like. Like, yeah, we're gonna do it eventually. And here we are four years later. It's the same thing. Yeah, we're gonna do it. He's not even saying that anymore. Gone.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Don't worry about it. Remember that thing I showed you? Look over here. Now it's not there anymore. Yeah. And like, again, like, the people that are still buying that are people that are just lost in. In their ideology and he speaks their language and all that. But this is a master cultural and media. Media manipulator. And kudos to the skills. But I've just always. I mean, you. I. I've said it for years. All fair with you. You can vouch for this. I think he's just. He's not a guy that I am jealous of people that they're in the room with him.

[B]

I'll put it that way.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, I remember you, like, floating, like, hey, what if I got Steve Banner on? I'm like, don't give him my fucking number.

[B]

What happened if you saw him in an elevator?

[A]

I. I would get off at the nearest floor and go to the. Take the stairs. Which I know he's not taken.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He don't look like he's taking a lot of stairs in his life.

[B]

Yeah, he seems to be, like, he can't pin down, like, who he works for.

[A]

I. I can't. I can't. I've had thoughts before, and then it's like, you don't. But again, like, who did Jeffrey Epstein work for?

[B]

For.

[A]

I mean, Dave Smith. I'm not even saying he's right, but he had a great tweet right after this came out where he's like, I used to think Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad, and now I wonder if Mossad worked for Jeffrey Epstein. I don't think it's that simple. I don't think they work for him, but, like, there was a partnership here. And also he had clear involvement, more than I previously realized with CIA, for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm very confident in that. At this point that the evidence is showing that. But like, yeah, obviously he had the longest relationship with Mossad and there's something very weird and foul there. And I mean, the whole thing's foul, but like, you know, you don't know if the world is like this thing or that thing. And like we've joked about Andy Bustamante always, you know, you know, saying whatever to all this stuff over the years, and now he's doing that less publicly even before, like he did this thing on the Discovery Channel where he's going to wildly the other end. We've seen him. Him at least break with some small foundations, which I'll give him publicly over the last year or so with some things. But I was talking to him off air when I was out there and I forget how he said it. He said it kind of perfectly, but he was like, so Andy matter of fact about it. But he's like, yeah, the two wildest days at CIA, I'm paraphrasing here, were the day you found out how the world really works and the day you found out how you could exist in. Within it. Something like that. And he's like, that first day is a tough day, man. Then he kept drinking his coffee and went on and talked about something different, like as if it didn't really affect him. But like, you know, then you hear stories about like John Kiriaku talking about when David Rockefeller comes in.

[B]

Yeah. To back channel with Saddam Hussein.

[A]

Yeah. You're going to get a bomb up your. Get a bomb up your ass if you don't come back, you know, and. And it's like we forget history. There it is, man, there it is. And. And again, I've said this a million times, like on different podcasts I've recorded, but I'll keep saying it because it needs to be said. There are things in the past that people presented that I thought either didn't have evidence at all or had bad evidence that I now will go to those people and say, I don't even care if you didn't have evidence or not. Just like on the surface you were more right than wrong about that. Or there is evidence, at least a good chance or a decent chance you're gonna be right about some things that I would have previously in my fucking wishful thinking hoped were fucking insane.

[B]

Right?

[A]

But like, you see these emails, you see them talking about pizza, you see them talking about jerky, see them talking about grape soda, right? They're not talking about the fucking food. What they're talking about is still up for debate. But it's dark. Yes, it's dark. And it's. I will say it. You want to talk about quacking like a duck, walking like a duck, and fucking like a duck. A duck. It looks like they're talking about kids. And the most disgusting, vile.

[B]

I think the worst part about it is that. I mean, not just that, but the fact that they dumped all that on the public without giving any analysis or explanation of. Okay, what was the FBI's analysis of that? What did you guys come to? What was your conclusion on what was going on here? Not just, like, release it with no context, where it's like, there's so much now floating around, it's impossible to know what's real and what's fake. And, like, now the conspiracies are blending in with reality, and it's muddying the water even more. Duncan Trussell had a great tweet I saw this morning where he. It was BURCHETT Talking about UFOs and, like, aliens. And he's like. Like, we can't release it right now because if you. If we did, the American public would. They wouldn't be ready. They would lose their grip on reality. And Duncan said, here.

[A]

Here it is.

[B]

Duncan said, the whole. People will go insane if they know the truth is the most inadvertently condescending excuse for not spilling the beans at this point. You could reveal we live inside the. Of a space fish, and most people would forget that in a few days. Spit it out. Out. We want to come. Stop edging us.

[A]

All right.

[B]

That's true. He nailed it.

[A]

He might be right about that. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute on this, because it's that. I mean, this is. Now we're getting to a whole different level. But when you're talking about, like, aliens and like that, now it gets to religious dogma around the world, and it gets to. Can the information.

[B]

No, people will cope with that, bro.

[A]

They. People will, but what percentage won't? There's something I think about a lot. Like, you've recorded hundreds of these. You know what I'm talking about? There's sometimes where someone will. You'll be in the middle of a random conversation, and a guest will say some lines that are. Even if it doesn't stick with the people out there, you're in the room and you're like, ooh, Whoa. All right, that's interesting. I remember my friend Alex Horowitz in episode 16 said to me. He said it way smarter than this, but this is a guy who was like employee number four at eight sleep. He saw the deep inner workings of like the VC world and high level tech, brilliant guy, longtime friend of mine. And he was like, you know, they can simulate these outcomes and we're recording this in 2020. And he's like, they can simulate an impetus that you put on society and say, if we did this, what does the reaction look like? Because they have all of our emotional data from social media at that point. They already did. They had enough. And maybe some of that was slightly exaggerated. I don't think it's exaggerated now in 2020, 26, with six more years of data and way more AI as well, you know. And so the devil's advocate to Duncan Trussell, who I am inclined to agree with on this point, to be clear. And I want to know. Right, and I think we all deserve to know, by the way. But the devil's advocate is that they have simulated that and determined that there will be a mass existential crisis of religion, meaning, and God or whatever around the world.

[B]

That's what Hal Puthoff said. That's what Hal Puthoff said on Rogan.

[A]

And again, like, he's a spooky point person, you know, he's someone working from the inner sanctums of government. Tim Burchett is someone who works in government. So you got to take it all with a grain of salt. But, like, just because they're liars doesn't mean that once in a while they don't tell the truth. I'd say that about Steve Bannon, too. It's just, it's your best guess and my best guess when they're actually telling the truth, because it's not that often.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know, so I. But people have just been exposed to so much noise and so much craziness and that at this point, we're desensitized to it. And we're talking about people eating kids on islands. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe aliens aren't. Aren't that bad to talk about now because it's like, well, we dealt with that, you know, and nothing all has been done about it. All these no Kings protests. All right, fine. Can we get that same energy for like the Epstein victims? Like, come on, man. You know, and it's, it's, it's, it's so. It's so frustrating. But, you know, it's. I sit back all the time and I'm like, are we all just cattle? And by we, of course, including me, including you, all of us in it who aren't in those rooms you know, because if we got a microphone, doesn't make us any different. Are we all just cattle? Maybe. Maybe. And also, what am I going to do about it? Not much doing. Doing a little part, talking about it here.

[B]

I don't know, bro. But this has been fun, dude.

[A]

It's great to be back. It's great to see you. Like, you've been such a great psychiatrist for me. I was saying this on Matt Cox's show as well over the years because, like, you understand it. You're in it every day, just like I am and have been an amazing friend. Incredible support system, by the way. People don't see all the Danny Jones does without getting attention on it. But, like, that's meant a lot to me. You're someone who bet on me really early as well. And, like, to come in here and I've seen where you're at, watching it from afar and talking to you every goddamn day. But, like, to come in here and see it and see your giant shed mansion with all interiors, and you're probably $6,000 a month air conditioning bill. That happens in here, I'm sure. You know, it's. It's an amazing, amazing day thing, man. And I've just always respected the fact that, like, you've done it all completely yourself since day one. Like, self made in everything you've ever done. And that is. That is something. I know you're like, a really humble guy and you don't ever say that, but, like, I talk to people about that all the time who don't know your backstory. I'm like, dude, Dan Jones is it. Thanks, bro.

[B]

I appreciate it. You. You have the best takes on all this stuff. You've been. I think the first day we talked, you asked me about Epstein, so, like. So, like, it's pretty cool to see you going off on all this crazy epine stuff right now at the perfect time, exposing all of it. Like, you're the. You're the de facto. You're my de facto source of news on the Epstein stuff. I'll put it that way.

[A]

All right. Remember that boulder assault we talked about?

[B]

You're doing awesome, dude.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Super psyched to have you back in here. We'll do it again.

[A]

Gotcha. Yeah. You got to come up and do mine.

[B]

Yeah, I will.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

I'm afraid to get on a plane right now, to be honest.

[A]

Us, bro. Don't travel. You know, like Tim Dillon says.

[B]

Yeah, we're in a war. Okay. If you want to travel, go to

[A]

Syria and don't come back.

[B]

All right, bro. Thanks again.

[A]

All right, dog.

[B]

Good night.