#391 - “You’re WRONG” YouTube’s #1 Skeptic Confronts Danny | Professor Dave

Summary

Danny Jones Podcast #391 Detailed Summary Episode Title: “You’re WRONG” YouTube’s #1 Skeptic Confronts Danny | Professor Dave
Original Air Date: April 27, 2026
Host: Danny Jones
Guest: Professor Dave Explains (science educator, YouTube debunking specialist)

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Episode Overview

This episode features a spirited, wide-ranging conversation between Danny Jones and Professor Dave Explains, renowned for his science education and online debunking of pseudoscience. The main theme centers on public trust in science, the role of skepticism, the dangers of misinformation (both in alternative media and mainstream), and the challenge of navigating truth in today’s polarized, online information ecosystem.

Danny, open about his quest to “get smarter,” invites Professor Dave to break down his approach to skepticism and address contentious issues ranging from ancient archaeology claims, the pharmaceutical vs. alt-health industries, podcast/media responsibility, COVID controversies, government corruption, and even the Israel-Palestine debate. The tone vacillates between combative, analytical, and at times humorous, as both challenge—and occasionally find respect for—each other's perspectives.

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Origins of “Professor Dave” and Debunking Content

[00:54–04:18]

• How Professor Dave Started: Chemistry tutor, substitute and university teacher, and musician. Launched his YouTube channel in 2014 as a form of passive income while touring with his Americana band.
• Growth of Channel: Began with whiteboard organic chemistry lectures, expanded into general science tutorials, using green screens and animations.
• Shift into Debunking: Circa 2019-2020, pivoted to include debunking pseudoscience—e.g. anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, creationists, pseudo-archaeologists—“going after charlatans” misrepresenting science for financial/political gain.

Notable Quote:

“I started making debunking content where I sort of go after charlatans in the science space...exposing and eviscerating them.” —Professor Dave [03:33]

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The Algorithm, Audience Capture, and Siloed Bubbles

[04:44–05:49]

• Danny observes: Internet algorithms have siloed people into ideological bubbles, amplifying sensationalist content and isolating communities (archeology and beyond).
• Professor Dave: Agrees; audience capture incentivizes creators to double down, platforming pseudo-archaeology “cults.”
• Comparison to Coffeezilla: Another creator exposing financial fraud (e.g., crypto, influencer scams).

"Sensationalist content is rewarded, so you end up getting audience capture." —Professor Dave [05:49]

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Cultish Dynamics, Pseudoarchaeology, and Joe Rogan’s Influence

[05:49–11:18]

• Toxicity & Cults: Professor Dave equates certain alternative history movements to cults, especially as platformed by Joe Rogan and others. Platforming charlatans, even if entertaining, is “harmful.”
• Danny pushes back: The loudest are often the most toxic but do not represent the majority; everything online can start appearing cultish (politics, religion).
• Scientology analogy: Both discuss how cults operate by luring peripheral members and manipulating public perception.

On Joe Rogan & Graham Hancock:

• Both credit Rogan’s early episodes with Graham Hancock for launching widespread interest in ancient alternative history.
• Danny admires Graham for his entertainment value but isn’t an expert on the subject matter.
• Professor Dave: “He’s a tourist peddling sensationalist claims...Academics don’t disagree. They know that he’s wrong.” [09:55]

On the Flint vs. Graham Debate:

• Both reference a Rogan podcast debate; Danny admits Flint out-argued Graham, despite comment section framing.
• Professor Dave: “He humiliated Graham on Joe’s show...He got Graham to admit there’s no evidence for anything he says.” [11:18]

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Belief, Grifting, and Academic Skepticism

[12:18–17:09]

• Grifter psychology: Danny wonders if people like Hancock truly believe or just profit; Professor Dave points to cases like Billy Carson as more blatant grifts. Motivation can be complex and vary case to case.
• Example: Recent Chinese study on a “million-year-old skull”: Danny sees it as evidence for open-mindedness in science, Professor Dave cautions it doesn't support wild claims about ancient advanced civilizations.

"There’s a huge difference between finding a Homo sapiens specimen that’s earlier than you thought...that doesn’t signify a hyper-advanced civilization." —Professor Dave [16:29]

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The Harm of Misinformation and Science Communication

[17:09–22:28]

• Why “just asking questions” can be dangerous: Charismatic “alternative” communicators erode trust in science, leading to consequences beyond archaeology (vaccine hesitancy, climate denial).
• Division: Science vs. Pseudoscience: Professor Dave asserts, “There’s science and there’s pseudoscience.”
• Danny’s skepticism: Asserts corporate, government, and academic interests are sometimes financially entangled, muddying the public’s understanding of where to place trust.

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Pharma vs. Alt Health: Grift Wars and Misdirection

[29:10–36:22]

• Systemic Issues: Danny points to corruption in pharma—PR, overprescribing, settling for harm—but doesn’t let alt-health off the hook.
• Professor Dave: Argues the “alt health” unregulated, supplement/wellness industry is larger than pharma and much less scrutinized, actively doing harm and promoting anti-science.
• Consensus as a Principle: Professor Dave recommends deference to “the consensus of the global scientific community,” rather than any individual or fringe group [24:25–24:39]. He warns against “overblown villainization” of pharma while ignoring the grift on the other side.

"There are things to criticize Pharma for...But the cartoonish villainization has propped up this enormous alt-health wellness industry that is just full of grifters." —Professor Dave [34:30]

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COVID: Mandates, Misinformation, and Censorship

[41:03–51:39]

• Contentious Ground: Danny is critical of COVID-era mandates, restrictions, and censorship (“slippery slope...totalitarian”), referencing church closures, forced business shutdowns, and YouTube/Twitter takedowns.
• Professor Dave: Responds that extraordinary times call for intervention, seeing most policies (in California at least) as reasonable trade-offs for public safety.
• Censorship online: Professor Dave admits ambivalence re: removing misinformation, noting the urgency of the pandemic, but generally prefers more debunking content, not more censorship.
• Danny’s experience with censored YouTube episodes: Some of his interviews with physicians offering COVID dissent were removed for ‘medical misinformation.’ Professor Dave replies, “There are professionals who engage in grifting. All this requires is investigation into primary scientific literature.” [48:50]

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The Nature of Scientific Skepticism & Consensus

[24:25–26:19; 81:37–83:07]

• Professor Dave: Public should be skeptical toward those who contradict the “global scientific consensus” (as opposed to healthy skepticism toward all expertise).
• Danny: “Journalism by definition is being skeptical of power...Are you holding people in power as your North Star of truth?” [25:55]. Professor Dave distinguishes scientists from power, notes the distributed, global, politically diverse nature of science.

Notable Exchange:

Danny: "You should approach everybody with extreme skepticism." [82:03]
Professor Dave: "When you approach the entire body of scientific knowledge with skepticism...you start learning science. If you’re like, 'How does AIDS work?', Google that, and then you see RFK is full of shit." [82:17]

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Debate Over Funding, Corruption, & Historic Skepticism

[61:57–70:45]

• Danny: Points to the long history of scientific or governmental wrongdoing (Tuskegee, Manhattan Project, paperclip, bio/psyche studies). Wonders how we can fully trust research funding sources.
• Professor Dave: Notes science’s power is empirical and testable regardless of motive; the bomb worked, regardless of government ethics. “What people do with science” is different from its validity; regulation is still needed.

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Podcast Culture, Responsibility & Joe Rogan

[83:05–89:44]

• Why target Rogan? Professor Dave: Rogan disproportionately platforms “frauds,” enabling mass-scale misinformation; “He just likes whistleblowers,” not understanding his bias.
• Danny pushes back: Believes Rogan is genuinely curious, not malicious, and represents the bridge for many into open inquiry.
• Example (Bart Sibrel, moon landing skeptic): Danny admits he changed his mind when exposed to better evidence—Professor Dave commends this model, wishes more podcasts followed it [89:24–94:14].

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Ancient Technology & Pseudoarchaeology: A Case Study

[90:13–96:05]

• Danny discusses pre-dynastic Egyptian vases, long believed to be preposterously precise for their time; modern laser measurements debunked the claim—the most precise were modern, not ancient.
• Professor Dave applauds Danny’s willingness to change his mind and platform debunkers.

Professor Dave: “If every podcast in this space operated as you described, I wouldn’t be saying anything about it.” [94:14]

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The Need for Academic Voices & Debunking Online

[96:05–98:07]

• Barriers to factual content: Most academics are not natural communicators or comfortable in debate; as the “alternate reality” of online podcasts rises, stronger academic engagement is needed.
• Professor Dave: “I’m not an academic. I live in this space. I’m some guy making videos at home...I’m finally starting to see a change within the scientific community.” [96:43]

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Science, Religion, and Propaganda: Evolution, Creation & Beyond

[113:46–115:48]

• Creationism: Professor Dave battles efforts to distort evolutionary biology for religious motives, focusing vitriolic critique on the Discovery Institute and other faith-based anti-science campaigns.
• Christian Nationalism & U.S. Foreign Policy: Both note how evangelical and Zionist interests overlap, coloring American Mideast policy.

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Israel/Palestine, Geopolitics & Media Manipulation

[117:02–122:37]

• Intense discussion of recent U.S.-Israel policy, anti-Semitism accusations, and the efforts to weaponize language. Professor Dave, married to a Palestinian, has become more vocal, especially since October 7.
• Doxxing & Deplatforming: Mentions being targeted, dogpiled, and banned from Twitter for anti-Israel advocacy.
• Danny: Notes growing popular resentment at billions of dollars in U.S. Israel aid, never-before-seen mass flip of public/popular opinion on U.S. politicians (including Trump).

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Surveillance State, Tech Oligarchs, and the Future

[131:18–137:19]

• Government surveillance: Both oppose warrantless monitoring (e.g., FISA section 702 reauthorization).
• Tech billionaires: Targeting Peter Thiel, Palantir, and others as major threats to privacy and democracy.
• Totalitarian fear: Concern about AI, deepfakes, and government/private sector fusion leading to potential “dissident crackdown.”

"My fear is...with all our DNA in Ancestry.com, deepfakes, AI...any dissident can be jailed immediately. We are inching in that direction and I’m very, very scared of that." —Professor Dave [134:09]

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Final Reflections: Common Ground, Generational Change, and Open Debate

[137:23–142:36]

• Shared Values: Both want a safe, free future for their children, express weariness with dual loyalty in politicians, promote debate and intellectual openness.
• Youth in politics: Professor Dave supports younger people in government as less likely to be corrupt.
• Debate invitations: Both advocate for more good-faith debates between experts.
• Censorship & Algorithm Mysteries: Danny describes mysterious YouTube throttling, both agree it’s a problem but ultimately restate the need for transparent algorithms and robust open inquiry.

Notable Closing Exchange:

Danny: "At the end of the day...we’re both American citizens who want our kids to be healthy, safe..." [137:23]
Professor Dave: "Not drafted into the military. Not to go die for Israel." [137:38]

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “There needs to be enough content or a roughly equal amount of content debunking these claims as there are the people generating them.” —Professor Dave [08:38]
• “You should be very skeptical of that person...They are making claims that contradict the entire body of scientific knowledge...if they're not scientists themselves, they're almost certainly not right.” [24:36]
• “The cartoonish villainization is what has propped up this enormous alt health wellness industry that is just full of grifters.” [34:30]
• “He’s a tourist peddling sensationalist claims...Academics know that he’s wrong” —Professor Dave (on Graham Hancock) [09:55]
• “If every podcast in this space operated as you described, I wouldn’t be saying anything about it.” [94:14]
• “My fear is...we are inching in that direction and I’m very, very scared of that.” (On the surveillance state) [134:09]

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:54 – Professor Dave's Origin Story
• 05:49 – Audience Capture & Algorithmic Siloing
• 09:55 – “Graham Hancock is wrong” Discourse
• 16:29 – Ancient Human Skulls and Science’s Self-correction
• 17:09 – The Harm of Pseudoscience Rhetoric
• 24:25 – Skepticism Toward Scientific Consensus
• 34:30 – Alt Health vs. Pharma Grifts
• 41:03 – COVID, Mandates, Censorship
• 48:50 – Medical Misinformation Online
• 61:57 – Who Funds Medical Science?
• 81:37 – Where Skepticism Should Be Applied
• 94:14 – Podcasts, Fact-Checking, and Evidence
• 134:09 – Surveillance State Fears
• 137:23 – Both agree on wanting a better future for their children
• 142:22 – Debate Invitations and the Podcast’s Role

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Tone & Language

The episode is combative, blunt, and often humorous, with Professor Dave delivering eviscerating, no-nonsense takes on scientific misinformation; Danny plays both skeptic and bridge-builder, keen to challenge authority but also promote open-minded inquiry. There is mutual respect despite heated debates, and a shared passion for public understanding, healthy skepticism, and protecting future generations.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a lively, deep dive into the root causes and dangers of modern misinformation, the pitfalls of both mainstream and alternative grifts, and the challenge of holding both power and the “anti-establishment” to account. It’s a microcosm of the broader American—and global—debate about expertise, power, and the pursuit of truth in a fractured media landscape.

Transcript

[Danny Jones]

Foreign. Howdy. Thanks for coming, bro.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, happy to be here. A little surprised to be here, but happy nonetheless.

[Danny Jones]

Look, man, you're very talented and your videos are very funny.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Thank you.

[Danny Jones]

And I can't deny that whether I agree with all of your. The stuff you say or not. I. Kudos to you for doing what you're doing and making it entertaining, informative and hilarious. So for the people that are listening to this, that may hate your guts because they don't agree with you, which is stupid, right? This will be a like taking an ice bath for them. It'll be healthy, I think.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I. Yeah, I hope they. I hope they get all the way through it.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I think it'd be good to start this off by like explaining how you got into all this shit in the beginning.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure. Okay, let's see. It's good. I mean, even my viewers, I don't think have like the full in depth origin story. So I guess I can give you kind of the medium length one and then anywhere you want more details. This is a long show, right? You can feel free to pry and get more. More information, I guess I would say so. I studied chemistry in college and then in grad school as well. But ultimately all I really wanted to do was play music. So from the beginning of college I knew I wanted to be a musician. I was playing in bands. Really obsessed with that and. But decided to be a chem major anyway. Apparently I was very practical in that regard. But then all through my 20s I was playing in bands and all the while, just at first, I was sort of tutoring and substitute teaching. You still need to get by, you need to make a living and pay the rent. So bandmates would all be bartenders or whatever. I would teach chemistry and then I was teaching organic chemistry at this trade university for about three and a half years. And during that time the band I was in at that time started to kind of take off a little bit. And so we were signed to a label and touring and all this stuff and we were touring so much that we decided we all needed some form of passive income. And so we all had our little ideas in mind. Was a YouTube channel. So this is 2014, so this is quite a while ago at this point.

[Danny Jones]

What kind of music?

[Professor Dave Explains]

So that band was called the Lonely Wild Sort. I would call it like India Americana, I guess. Rock and roll. I mean for like. Yeah, it was guitar driven rock music. I was the drummer in that band. And so in 2014, like there, there was educational content on. On YouTube. There was I mean, Khan Academy started way like 0708 or something like that. There was crash course, there was some stuff like that, and I thought, I can do that. So I took my organic chemistry lectures and just delivered them to camera with a whiteboard, just, here you go, Ochem one and two students and put them online with a little bit of branding and stuff. And it, it was received very well. It was the first thing in my life that just was instantly, you know, people were appreciative and, you know, know. So I had a lot of positive feedback. And so I decided to do general chemistry tutorials with green screen and animations and things like that. And so eventually, around mid-2016, it looked like the band wasn't really going to pan out, which was devastating. But the channel was starting to. It had, you know, maybe 10, 20,000 subscribers or something. It was enough to kind of go, all right, well, what if I put all my eggs in this basket? So for the next four or five years, I just started really relentlessly uploading educational tutorials. So high school and undergr aligned, curriculum aligned stuff. I moved on to like biochemistry, biology, physics, astronomy, math, just sort of whatever I had studied, whatever was tangential to what I had studied and continue doing that. And then the reason I'm probably here is that around 2019, 2020, I pivoted into. Not really pivoted, but in addition to the tutorials, which I still generate, I started making debunking content where I sort of go after charlatans in the science space who are lying about science for whatever, for financial or political motivation. And I just make content sort of exposing and eviscerating them. And that has definitely gained me more, no, not necessarily more notoriety. I guess it depends, you know, if you're, if you're in a chemistry department at a university, they're probably talking about my tutorials. But for the broader general public, I'm certainly better known for my debunking content. So.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very, very entertaining dude. And, and are you familiar with Coffee Zilla?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yes.

[Danny Jones]

He's great. He's similar. He calls out sort of like more of the actual like financial fraud that happens with like a lot of the big influencers, like a lot of the crypto bullshit and, and a lot of like the. I don't know, he did a bunch of, a bunch of stuff on Patrick, but David Grant Cardone recently, like Logan Paul and some other people, I don't keep up with all of it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yes.

[Danny Jones]

But he does really good work too. We talked to him like, years ago. But recently I watched one of your videos on like, on, on Ancient eg. Think it was about Jimmy Coretti. I like Jimmy. He's, he's. I've always, he's always been pleasant to me. I get along with him. If this was about any of my friends, I would laugh my ass off about it. It was, it was very entertaining and I, I couldn't help but like, share with a bunch of my friends, like, dude, have you seen this? Like, it's great. Like, even though, like, I don't think the pyramids were tombs, this guy's great. Like, this guy's funny. And I think there needs to be people that are like this, that are out there because, like, I, I don't think that you should be. Even though the way it is is everyone's kind of like siloed into their own ideological bubbles on the Internet, which is kind of like what's the, what the algorithms have done. It's kind of like, like siloed people away for, for whatever algorithmic reason to get more engagement on stuff or to monetize it better. Who knows why? But that has been the byproduct.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's pretty easy to wrap your head around. I mean, the, the, you know, sensationalist content is rewarded, so you end up getting audience capture. And so, I mean, that's why I was reticent to come, but ultimately decided it was a good idea because it sounds like you're trying to not necessarily follow, you know, the Joe Rogan path of just exclusively platforming grifters because of, you know, because of the revenue that it brings. People want to see this stuff, you know, and Jimmy's nice to you because he wants access to your platform, but he's a very toxic individual. And that whole cult, the pseudoarchaeology cult, which, you know, you've platformed a bit, you know, Joe Rogan platforms endlessly. It's an extremely toxic cult. And, you know, I'm sure your listeners that have watched all of these guys on your show and other shows don't want to hear that, but it's absolutely the case. And I have made videos on Graham and His Underlings and all of these other people. I'm starting to move on to other figures because those are not as relevant anymore. And there's other people that are kind of cropping up in this space and it's just sensationalist, clickbait content. Anti establishment archeologists are all idiots and they don't know this like, super special secret truth that I'M offering you. It's very. It's tantalizing. It's a tantalizing narrative, but it's.

[Danny Jones]

Well, I think. I think everything could be classified as a cult online. There's a lot of things. Both political parties are absolute cults. Different segments of religious knowledge or religions are cults, basically.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure.

[Danny Jones]

And these things have become religions where I. I don't think it's everyone, man. I think most people are genuinely interest. Interested in this stuff. But the people that you see tweeting about it, the loudest people online are. Agree with you, the most toxic people. And then when you see people like that, you automatically want to lump everyone into it and say, this is this big toxic cult, when in reality, it's a handful of people that are very loud online trying to get engagement.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure. But that's. I mean, you know, we're in the heartland of Scientology, right?

[Danny Jones]

We are. We gotta. We got an E meter right there. We can do a technological exorcism on you right now.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I walked around by the headquarters yesterday. I was like, this is wild.

[Danny Jones]

It's insane.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But I mean. But you can say that like, that. That is object, like, the biggest and most successful cult of the past century.

[Danny Jones]

It is really. It is. Right? Why? Like, they've. They've. They're the one cult that's been able to survive.

[Professor Dave Explains]

They've just mastered it. But what I'm saying is that obviously there are always going to be people on the periphery, Right? You're trying to lure in people on the periphery. That's why you. You know, all of the. All. All of what's been going on, exposing the, you know, the Church of Scientology is incredible, and I can't believe they're still able to operate after what's come out. But this is what you do, right, With. With. With all of these nascent cults. You. You have these cult leaders, and they're trying to draw in people from the periphery, saying, this is. This is reasonable. This is how we, you know, and so that's why there's not enough people making debunking content to start. There's too many of these. And they, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There has to be enough content or a roughly equal amount of content debunking these claims as there are the people that are generating them.

[Danny Jones]

So, yeah, I just think, you know, this all probably started as far as, like, the ancient archeology angle of it, I think, when Joe Rogan probably had Graham HANCOCK on over 10 years ago, just over. And I think that's kind of when the Internet really exploded with this stuff. I mean, that's. I think Joe actually has said that that's like when his podcast really took off, when he had Graham Hancock on. And, you know, some of the things Graham Hancock is saying. I'm not an expert in Graham Hancock or haven't I have read one of his books maybe six years ago. I'm not the kind of the type. I'm not the person to debate whether he's right or wrong. But I think there's a genuine interest in this stuff, a genuine human interest in this stuff. And clearly academics and archaeologists and Egyptologists most mostly disagree with him is fascinating whether he's. Whether he's. Whether there is a kernel of truth to what he's saying or not. At least the guys traveling around to all these places saying all this stuff, like he's not saying this is an absolute bona fide fact.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right, Right. He's a tourist peddling sensationalist claims. It's just not really an honest framing. Right. Academics don't dis agree. They know that he's wrong. Right. And. And Graham is very careful about making very few falsifiable claims. He stays as vague as possible. And that was what was great about, you know, Flint debating.

[Danny Jones]

And let me be another thing. Another thing I'll be clear about is I kind of dissented from the norm on Joe's podcast with Flint. I thought Graham body bagged. I mean, I'm sorry, I thought Flint body bagged Graham in that debate. That. That was my. Yeah, because there's this phenomenon I'm sure you're aware of when you watch things online. You kind of gaslight yourself by reading the comments because the comments sort of like, have their own sort of conclusion they come to. And then you read. Some people even read the comments first and be like, oh, this must be what it's about. Then you. Then you watch the video in that

[Professor Dave Explains]

context, hence bot campaigns, because they know that if they can shift the optics in the comments section, that might lead people to not. Not even watch the content at all or, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Right. Yeah, so. So I thought that was a great debate to see it. I really learned a lot from it. And I thought Flint actually did a good job. As insufferable as he, some people think he may be. I personally liked him.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, I don't like what's insufferable about providing a mountain of facts and empirical evidence to disprove a group.

[Danny Jones]

Well, he's very toxic online. He's kind of. I mean, he's just as loud as Jimmy, but on the. In the complete opposite direction.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, but these are people who have, you know, encouraged people to contact his place of work and try to get him fired. And like, there's just. After that debate began, this entire narrative of Flint is a liar. Flint is a liar. Joe said it on his show, had Graham on a bunch more times to talk about what a liar Flint is. And then all the other underlings, you know, repeating this narrative. It's just, it's just damage control. He humiliated Graham on Joe's show. That's what happened. You know what I mean? He just brought all the. He got. He got Graham to admit, I thought so there's no evidence for anything he says. And then he also brought empirical evidence against the existence of. The existence of agriculture and all this stuff, and even got him to, to walk back and say, well, maybe it was just the idea of agriculture, which is meaningless. Right. It just exposed how vapid these narratives really are. And Graham's very clever. He doesn't make that many falsifiable claims. But ultimately it's just whimsy. Right. Dressed up as this bold anti establishment research that flies in the face. You know, it's nuts.

[Danny Jones]

It's just a great. One of the things that I've said before that I've thought about a lot. I was thinking about this a lot during that time when he did that podcast and before I had Flint on the show is that when you are in that position that Graham Hancock was in in the beginning, where you are sort of like the fringe, outlier, anti establishment person, you feel like everyone's coming to get you, everyone's trying to take you down and you're kind of the one shining light in this sea of darkness. Right. You can go so far, you can come full circle to being like the very thing that you were fighting against in the beginning to where now everyone is the enemy.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. But a figure like Graham never truly was that figure. He. That's a. That's a narrative. It's an alluring narrative. Everyone wants Luke Skywalker. Luke Skywalker versus the Death Star. Right. That is the only way to get people to discredit an entire field of science with millions of experts that actually know what they're talking about. Right. It has to have that, that bite to it. So Graham has always been a grifter. I mean, he started with like really ancient aliens, aliens on Mars kind of stuff, and then he kind of pulled it back to sound as reasonable as possible to, to kind of lure people in, look, he's, you know, he speaks. He speaks very well and he has these interesting ideas and he's not arrogant. He says what if, you know, but it's just, all of it is absolutely baseless rhetoric to sell books. That's all it is.

[Danny Jones]

Do, do you think that he, like, people like him literally get into this stuff just to profit on it? Like, say, hey, let's take this lie and let's just deceive people to make money? Or do you think that they're actually maybe interested in it and they believe that it be true and they want to discuss. I mean, I mean, obviously, I think there's nuance.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

I think there are people that do do what I just described.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right, but Billy Carson or. Yeah, but, but it's the same, it's the same narrative. He's just way more sensational with it, with the Anunnaki and Emerald tablets and all this stuff. It's.

[Danny Jones]

It's who, Billy?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah, it's the same grift. Graham just tries to appear as. As reasonable as possible. Now, the degree to which you want to get into human psychology and how much a grifter is able to, like, convince themselves that they are the hero that they present themselves as, I don't know, you know, and it varies on a. Case by case.

[Danny Jones]

Well, here's the thing, here's the thing about Graham, and without drilling down into too much detail, like, it's absolutely possible that human beings are a lot older than science established science says right now because that the age keeps getting older. Like, there's the. I've talked about this at nauseam. We talked about it yesterday or two days ago whenever the last podcast was that the, the skull, the human skull found in China that dated back to over a million years old. Like, their evidence keeps coming out that humans were on this planet for way starting out way earlier than we originally thought. One million year old human skull, Unixon 2, discovered in Hubai, China, in the 1990s, has been digitally reconstructed. Oh, this was found that long ago.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, but.

[Danny Jones]

So, like there's, there's, like, it's.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But you know, you realize that, like, hominid species have been around for millions of years. That doesn't happen.

[Danny Jones]

But this says Homo sapien. This was a human. This was a Homo sapien human, not

[Professor Dave Explains]

a hominid, similar to Homo. Is that Longi Denisovans?

[Danny Jones]

This isn't. Is this the article, Steve, that we were talking about? I thought the article was more recent. Yeah, there it is. There's the BBC article that was from 2025. So read the first paragraph of this, let's see what it says. A million year old human skull found in China suggests that our species Homo sapiens, began to emerge at least half a million years earlier than we researchers are claiming in a new study. Where's the new study? What does it say about the new study? Discovery published in the leading scientific journal Science shocked research. The research team, which included scientists from a university in China and the UK's Natural History Museum. So it's a real study published in a scientific journal of a Homo sapien skull that's a million years old. So like, I don't see why it's controversial to, to be open to the possibility that humans could be way older than we thought. Right. Like, sure, science, science evolves all the

[Professor Dave Explains]

time, but there's a huge difference between finding a Homo sapiens specimen that's earlier than you thought. Right. The. What is it? Jabella hood is 300,000. That's what we, that was my impression of how old Homo sapiens is. But that in no way signifies that there was some kind of hyper advanced structure or civilization or all these other very outrageous claims. Right. We know that hominids have been around for millions of years, very, you know, different species. So Homo sapiens emerging earlier than, than we thought. Okay. I mean, I'm open to it. I don't know, I haven't seen that. But it doesn't, it, that doesn't in any way substantiate outrageous pseudoarchaeological claims.

[Danny Jones]

Right, right, right. And there, and when it comes to like some of the ancient structures that Graham talks about, like the ones in Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt and even, you know, in the UK with like Stonehenge, it's, it's like it is that there's a reason that it's one of the seven wonders of the world, right. Is because it's like, it's almost seems like an impossible feat for ancient humans to be able to do. And you know, that's why a lot of people, a huge subset of people in the world believe like they, there's a, there's a logic gap there. Right. There's like, how does this make sense? We don't know. Maybe we'll fill it in with God or maybe we'll fill it in with aliens, I don't know. Right. But like, it's like the conventional explanation for how it happened seems to be like the, you know, it doesn't seem to add up, it doesn't seem to make sense, which is why I think most people are so fascinated with this stuff and like to come up with all these crazy theories and ideas that may be bullshit, they may be bogus, but to be able to talk about them and discuss them and do you know podcasts on them, I don't, I don't think it's dangerous in any way.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, I don't know because I mean, it depends. First of all, I don't know. So to go site by site again, I wasn't sure what we were going to talk about here because I debunked so many things. Pseudoarchaeology is one blip. We do you talking about anti vaxxers and creationists and climate change and ours and all these things. So I can't speak to specifics of each site.

[Danny Jones]

Sure.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But to speak generally about rhetoric, for an academic, for an archeologist to propose something about a particular site, that's academic science, there's no problem with that. And to have a discussion within the scientific community, that's happening all the time in every field, there's no problem with that. But the way that these grifters come at this, oh, all the archeologists are closed minded and they're idiots and they don't know about this and they don't know about that and they're denying this for whatever reason. That poisons the public against the scientific community. Right? And that is what leads to enhanced vaccine hesitancy and all these other things. Right? Because the public can't compartmentalize science. Right. They don't really think about this is what this community is doing. This is what this community is doing. They just leave with this general sense of scientists are closed minded shills in the pocket of big whatever. Right? Big archeology is insane term. But that's, that's the narrative, narrative that, that is, that is peddled. And so what you get is a public that is increasingly distrustful towards science. And that's when you get, you know, you know, the public voting and administrations that put science deniers in positions of power and things like that. So, so ultimately what I want to say is that it is, it is harmful. Now you can go into individual examples of one person saying this or that something might be defensible, but broadly speaking, it is, it's, it's, it is harmful.

[Danny Jones]

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[Professor Dave Explains]

by using the term mainstream science, it's illustrating my point.

[Danny Jones]

Academic science. What would be the.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, I mean, there's academic science and there's the private sector, but main, there's no mainstream science. Right. There's science and there's pseudoscience.

[Danny Jones]

Right, right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Whoever is publishing science, whether it is academic or, you know, whether it's in the private sector, whatever it is. Right. That's actual legitimate science. And then there's people who lie about science on podcasts. Right. And they refer to it.

[Danny Jones]

Well, there's Hamilton Morris who does science and also does podcasts about, you know.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, sure.

[Danny Jones]

Research that he does on psychedelics and stuff like that. He's not a mainstream scientist by any meaning of that word.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, that's fair. He synthesizes chemicals. That's totally fine. You can do that. He's an interesting case, like a hobbyist turned, you know, scientist. But he's not, but he's not pushing any super outrageous claims. You know what I mean?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I think, I think where it gets Squirrely is when you have science and you have academic institutions and you have. That are all intertwined with governments and then you have financial entanglements with all of that stuff. There's financial entanglements in every single aspect of science, whether it be climate science, whether it be vaccine science or, or pharmaceutical companies. And, but that's even, even, even geo, even like geopolitics type stuff. Like, yeah, there's money and there's weird little financial incentives entwined into all of that stuff. And that's where it gets squirrely and that's where it gets hard to figure out what the truth is.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But that can also be used, number one, that can be used as a scapegoat. Right. Blah, blah, blah, in the pocket of big pharma. You just say that and people believe you. But number two, financial entanglements for the frauds that are pushing these narratives, right. They make money off of this stuff. So.

[Danny Jones]

Sure. People can make money off of questioning power if they have a podcast or they're selling advertising, I mean, selling books,

[Professor Dave Explains]

maybe this idea that a scientist is in this incredible position of power or is doing something incredibly lucrative. The vast majority of scientists are not paid that well. Right. They're just doing what they're doing because they love to do science and discover things. Right. So it's this, this way of painting the scient community as this cabal, you know, that's beholden to blah, blah, blah, whatever. It's a global scientific community operating in, you know, in academia, in the private sector, under many different countries, many different, you know, political apparatus. Yeah. There's no way to. That is why the consensus of the global scientific community is what you go by at all times. Right. Anything that is, that is contradicting the global scientific consensus, that's what you want to be skeptical about because can you get one scientist to lie? Absolutely. You can field a doctor.

[Danny Jones]

Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure.

[Danny Jones]

I want to make sure I'm clear on this. You think anyone who is, who is questioning or skeptical of the global contradicting.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Or of the global consensus.

[Professor Dave Explains]

The global scientific consensus. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

What about that person? Should you be.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You should, you should be very skeptical of that person. Right? You, you should. There they are making claims that contradict the entire body of scientific knowledge. It doesn't 100% guarantee that they're wrong. But, but they're very unlikely to be right. And especially if they're not scientists themselves, they're almost certainly not right. So you can take someone's claims and go all right, well, all of the science says no, but all right, say your thing. And 99% of the time, they're trivially debunkable. Sometimes it's a little harder to debunk. You have to really dig into it. But the idea that you can, you have scientists all over the world, there's no way to buy off millions of scientists in different countries. All these things, it doesn't mean make sense economically, Right? You can buy off one scientist, maybe a handful, so you can get papers that are, you know, bought off by special interests. But ultimately, like, these are, you know, when you talk about climate science and things like that, these are. This is the fossil fuel industry that's trying to manufacture this stuff. Right? So, sure, again, it's, it's, it's. It's pretty easy to, to spot the motives with things like that, you know, then with individual grifters, it's just, it could be anything, right? Somebody's just trying to make a buck however they can, you know, but.

[Danny Jones]

So journalism, by definition, is being skeptical of power and being skeptical of the people in charge who are controlling things. That is the very definition of journalism, and it is it. So are you holding the, the people in power as your North Star of truth? Do you.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Are you, like, scientists are not, are not in tremendous positions of power. They're just people doing a job, right? And so this thread starts to evaporate when you say, well, this government made the scientists do the thing, whatever. Okay, which government? We got these vaccine studies. This one's from Sweden, this one's from China, this one's from Argentina. This one's from, like, which government? What are you talking about? The global, like the Illuminati government. Like, what are you saying?

[Danny Jones]

What about, like, grants, scientific grants for that scientist? One of the biggest ways scientists get funded is by grants from pharmaceutical companies. And I mean, we've had multiple in here. We had one in here maybe two weeks ago. It was the most recent one, who was a neuro. He was a neuroscientist working in Montreal, Canada, if I remember correctly. And it was in the 90s, I think it was 1994. He got a grant from Pfizer to test a neurotransmitter, some sort of drug for Alzheimer's, and he was testing the neurotransmitters. He was using PET scans to detect the chemical reaction in the brain to this drug for. To see if it was effective or whatever. And in the grant agreement, he had to sign off that if the results were negative, he could not publish them. He could not make them public. The results were overwhelmingly negative. The thing, the drug was not effective at all for Alzheimer's. It wasn't reacting. I think it was acetylcholine is what. What the proxy was he was looking for to see if it was reactive to this drug. And it wasn't. He asked if he could publish it. They said no. You actually signed this document agreeing that you wouldn't do it legally, so you're legally bound to not publish this. And they ended up bringing that drug to market and it probably made, who knows, billions of dollars. But like, the point is these pharmaceutical companies, they spend.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'd have to look into that though, because drugs get, don't get approved all the time, right? You have individual institute, you have independent institutions that are, are that are running clinical trials and drugs don't get approved all the time. So this, this narrative that, that pharma is just like every drug I want will go to market no matter how harmful. I. It's just, you know, and I don't know the. I agree with you.

[Danny Jones]

That's not probably, that's probably not true. But would you, would you agree that it does happen?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm not sure. I mean, you'd have to give me an individual. I mean, you just did. But I mean, I'd have to look into it. I'd have to see whether this is just a story or, or what it is, because there are like. This is part of the reason that it's so disastrous, what's happening, happening under this administration, right? Under the guise of protecting public health. You just have RFK just firing half of everybody at fda, cdc, all these institutions and all of these deregulations, right? It's actually the precise opposite of what he pretends to stand for. Right? These institutions are there to protect us from the private sector and famously have. Right. Thalidomide wasn't approved in America because the FDA wouldn't approve it. This kind of stuff, that's what these institutions are for. So, so, you know what, what would a pharma company do? I mean, first of all, opening itself up to all these lawsuits or it's

[Danny Jones]

not like they've been by lawsuits historically.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It happens. I mean, and so, I mean, there's

[Danny Jones]

more lawsuits against Pharmaco, there's more money in settlements from pharmaceutical companies than any other industry. I think on the face of, in the history of human humanity, possibly.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And if, and if, and if well deserved, then great. But the, the. This painting of pharma as this unbelievable boogeyman with all the money in the world. Right. Do you know that the alt health industry is significantly larger than the pharma industry industry? The alt health untested, unregulated supplement industry. Right.

[Danny Jones]

No.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. It's a trillion dollar industry.

[Danny Jones]

It makes more money than the pharmaceutical,

[Professor Dave Explains]

more money than pharma. Yes.

[Danny Jones]

You got to find this, Steve. Yeah, I do know that it takes, and I've had multiple people like scientists, drug researchers on here that have done, had grants from pharmaceutical companies tell me that it takes between like 10 to 12 million dollars or I'm sorry, 10 to 12 years to develop a drug with all the testing on rodents and all that stuff. It's very stringent and it can cost a billion dollars.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yes. And only 1 in 10 drugs make it to market.

[Danny Jones]

Right. So they have a huge financial incentive to push those drugs out and to get those drugs out there in the marketplace. And, and you know, famously there's, there's billions and trillions of dollars of settlements from these pharmaceutical companies having to pay people out for killing people, injuring people, lying to people with their marketing malpractice. I mean I don't, I don't have to look. You don't have to farther than, you know, the opioid crisis. So I mean my point is like to default to, to have that be your default to want to protect or to fight for those people. You know, you like to want to be the, the, the bulldog that's attacking people who are attacking those billionaires and those, those trillion dollar companies who are literally only looking out for their bottom line. And you know, they don't give a. About a middle class person who can't afford a really fancy doctor who just has to go to their checkups every, you know, every six months or whatever and has to do the bare minimum and can't afford healthy food. They have to eat out like they don't give a. It's the insurance companies and these pharmaceutical companies that are raking in trillions of dollars. Right. And they have immunity.

[Professor Dave Explains]

This is why I'm trying to tell you about the alt health industry. Right.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Let's make more money. And they're peddling lies and selling, selling complete. So everything you're saying about testing and everything, these are products that are not tested on anything. It's not labeled as medicine. So they don't have to do anything. And there's all these, you know, so there's not only supplements that are actively harm people because they're not tested, they don't go through any clinical trials there's no safeguards of any kind. So you want to talk about that one drug that slipped through clinical trials and some, you know, unforeseen. Not that, you know, pharma went through the checks and balances here. Here we go. We did these clinical trials and something didn't show up and somebody got harmed. Okay, well, lawsuit, great, go for it. Get the money. But we're talking about an alt health industry. All of these products are completely untested. They do measurable harm and they pull people away from legitimate medical attention. That, you know, Ivermectin would be, you know, although that is a real drug. The Ivermectin craze would be a great example of that.

[Danny Jones]

So this is. What is this? Google AI or whatever. Summing it up, the broader. This, this is what Google's saying. The broader global wellness industry, which includes alternative health, wellness, tourism, nutrition and personal, is significantly larger than the pharmaceutical industry. Estimates place the global wellness market at over $6 trillion, which is several times larger than the estimated 1 to 2 trillion global farmers. That's the global pharmacist. So is this, this is not in the US this is global.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Massive market share. The global wellness market. Okay, I mean, think about it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

How many people do you know.

[Danny Jones]

Can you break this down by countries? Yeah, sorry, what were you saying?

[Professor Dave Explains]

How many people do you know that are regularly taking tons of prescription drugs versus how many people do you know that follow a bunch of, you know, health influencers and buy the supplements?

[Danny Jones]

Everybody I know has been on Adderall since they were like 12 and they were prescribed it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There you have. There's some oversight on that. Yeah, I mean, Adderall I think was probably over, over prescribed in the 90s.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's a huge problem, man.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah. So this is what I'm saying. Like, you know, people. Oh, Dave, Pharma show, whatever. There are things that you can criticize Pharma for. Right. And so sure, sometimes they tried to influence doctors to prescribe off label. Right. They'll say, well, this drug is for this, but it might work for this. Can you prescribe it for that too? Right. There's a little bit of that kind of oiling going on and, and call it out, I don't care.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm not here like, dude, there's absolutely

[Danny Jones]

grifters in the alternative health. I, I like Grant Cardone, the Scientologist. Just, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with him. He brags about all of his jets I mean, he's selling like hyperbaric chambers and cold plunges and he's calling it 10x health. And like it's just, it's just comical.

[Professor Dave Explains]

This is what I'm saying is that this stuff has taken off because of the cartoonish degree to which people vilify pharma. And so look, you know, if I can come back and we can like do a really, really in depth, give me all the cases you want to talk about.

[Danny Jones]

We're, we're staying high level. We're not getting the weeds.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Totally.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But what I'm saying is there are things you can criticize pharma for for. Go for it, it's no problem. But the cartoonish villainization is what has, has propped up this enormous alt health wellness industry that is just full of grifters.

[Danny Jones]

I'm sure that's right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm sure that's complete snake oil that is actively harming people.

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[Professor Dave Explains]

Even the grifters themselves. Right, Me, me and Dan Wilson did a debate against Pierre Corey and Steve Kirsch.

[Danny Jones]

I watched that, bro.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. And so one of them, Steve Kirby, like went blind in one eye because of a supplement that Peter McCullough, the Spike detox supplement. This is a supplement that is completely untested. He took it and he went blind in one eye. And yet he's still on this anti vaccine crusade. Right. Pierre Cory, another guy just made a boatload off ivermectin. Frontline doctors made a boatload off of ivermectin saying this is this wonderful cure all drug. You can't get Covid. Take it as a prescription every month. Right? Every month. Keep spending money, money, you'll get it. And you. And just how many thousands and thousands of people died of COVID because they didn't get the critical care they needed? And then it was too late. This is, that's the real villain. So criticize pharma for the things that it does. That's fine. Like, and I'll do it with you. But this is the real villain right now.

[Danny Jones]

I think it's both of them. I think we need to attack them both. I, I don't.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Pharma makes real drugs that save lives.

[Danny Jones]

That's true. But I'm also sure there's a subset of the people and the people in the alternative health system are also selling that. Right. The difference is one of them is not intertwangled with the United States government. Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

How does that make it any right? That's when you have grifters that are just selling snake oil. Why does it matter if they are or are not propped up by any government? Right. Well, it's just going to make money.

[Danny Jones]

Well, it's because those guys, they, they get a, they get shuttled into the public and they work with insurance companies and basically every run of the mill family that goes in for a routine checkup gets prescribed these things. I mean there's people that are in the pharmaceutical industry whose job is to take physic primary care physicians out to dinner, take them out to bars, take them out to strip clubs and befriend them and convince them to use their drug. I had a guy in here who was a sales rep for Viagra in like the early 2000s and was doing this job and it's like your job is to give, is to get them to prescribe more for, for more symptoms. Like, like we need you to prescribe this for more symptoms and prescribe it more because they get these kickbacks. There's these kickbacks they get from the insurance companies. And if you really like dig into it, it's insanely corrupt, man. And it's, it's so up that it's in our health care. It's baked into the health care system that is supposed to be taking care of everybody in the United States from every. Especially the people that are lower income, which really pisses me off. And the fact that, okay, the United States is literally, I think, the last or second to last on the list of health, health outcomes in the world of countries.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Like, to be clear, we do need to very strongly differentiate between medical science and the health insurance industry. The health insurance industry is rotten to the core.

[Danny Jones]

Yes.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's very, very different thing. Right. There's a difference between what is this drug, what does it do, who can it help and who gets it 100 for free. These are very different things. And in America, the only industrialized nation did not have socialized medicine. And that's an enormous problem. But you can see how these are contradictory lines of thinking. Right. The health insurance industry is terrible because it doesn't. It disallows people from getting the medical attention and the drugs that they need, the ones that work, that actually work, the ones that are. That some would criticize Big Pharma for producing in the first place. Right. The health insurance industry, that's where you get the Luigi Mangione. So you get some vigilante, vigilante justice going on. So I'll, I'm right there with you on, on the Americ health insurance industry. And that's horrible stuff that's going on that's very different from the medical science, the chemistry, the molecular biology behind what is a drug. Is it going to work? Right.

[Danny Jones]

That all the Hamilton horses that are working for these companies in their labs making, try, trying to do their best. And I'm sure that's true. I'm sure that exists. They're trying to do their best to actually make, create good medicines. That is different from the executives sitting in the top of the tower who are working with the insurance companies and the, and the hospitals and trying to, to. They're just trying to grease the wheels of money and trying to make more profit and trying to. And lobby the shit out of every single congressman in our country.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. Get 10% more profit here. Yeah. And I'm happy to see less of that however we can. But ultimately it's just trying to add a little more Profit on drugs that work. Right. These are drugs that help people and save lives. They're trying to squeeze some more money out of it. And let's get rid of that corruption however we can. But the way you do that is with regulatory bodies that do their job, not with RFD K. Firing everybody that's competent in every single. In all of these institutions.

[Danny Jones]

I don't know enough about the vaccine stuff. I haven't done a deep dive on it. I've had people on the. On the show talk about it before, but I've never personally, like, done a deep investigation of it, especially the COVID one. I. I don't understand it. It's too complex for me. My whole problem with all the COVID stuff was all the censorship and all of the mandate stuff. And, you know, basically, I'm not down with the idea of having to wake up in the morning and turn on your TV to find out what your governor is telling you you're allowed to do today, including taking your kid to the park or going to the beach or whatever the fuck it is. I think that's totalitarian. I think that's a slippery slope. And I think once you give them that power, I don't think you ever get it back.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay. I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration, though. I mean, I don't know what it was in every state, but I live in California, and there was never a moment where we couldn't go to a park or anything where. Where really. Or proper social distancing was happening. You know, how. How are all of these restrictions totalitarian? Is it totalitarian to say you can only drive on the right side of the street and not the left? Right there. There are guidelines in place to ensure public safety. When you have a pandemic, a global pandemic that's killing a lot of people, what are you going to do? Nothing. Just let people, all the people convene in every manner imaginable and spread it and kill 10 times more people. I mean, mean, it's. Something must be done.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I think 12 or maybe two dozen people were arrested in New Jersey for trying to go to a church service and a synagogue. I think it was either a synagogue or a church. I can't remember. But it might have been a. It might have been a. Some sort of a. A temple. And the governor of New Jersey arrested them for trying to go to church there. There was beaches here. The beaches here were shut down. You couldn't go to the beach without getting arrested. That's that's by the death. That is totalitarian. No matter what your excuse is for doing goes against the Constitution. It goes against the First Amendment when in. In the church scenario.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But it has nothing to do. So it's just religious people thinking that they're immune to a pandemic because God which is ridiculous and then they convene in large numbers, pass the virus around and then go out and kill other people. People. You really can't see the other side of that.

[Danny Jones]

I can. I. I can see the other side of it. If you know, I understand people were really afraid of it in the beginning. They didn't know what it was. We didn't know if this was going to be like instant death when it touched you. But. And I'm not religious by any sense of the word, but I, I understand and I respect that. You know, people have religions. They, they believe them. It brings a sense of community to them and they have the right according to the Constitution of the first to be able to practice their religion and to convene.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You know what if your religion is to murder people should be allowed to do that like with a gun. Just go around and shooting people. My religious.

[Danny Jones]

Of course you're not allowed to murder people.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's a reductio ad absurdum. But what I'm saying is that the broader good the public health takes precedent over religious liberty. Right. You're not free. Like here's the thing. So with COVID response wants there's doing absolutely nothing is insane. Forcing everyone to remain locked in a cubicle for forever is insane. So what do you do? Something in the middle. So if you want to have a debate about individual states policies and exactly where it landed, you can have that debate. And I don't know what every state did. I know what California did. And, and, and to me it seemed extremely reasonable. If you lost a business during that time. My, you know, my. You have my sympathy. Absolutely. I mean and, and you can have a debate was a little too much, not quite enough whatever. But the idea that there should be some kind. That it's some kind of constitutional right for religious people to convene and spread a disease that will kill other people. It's just. That's.

[Danny Jones]

How will it kill anyone else other than the people who were there?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Because you get it and then you go out somewhere else and then you. You give it to your family members and, and then people were meeting, people were gathering during COVID Covid in every state. You know some people were responsible about it and saw very Very few people. Maybe only a couple close friends or something. And then there were very reckless people that changed absolutely nothing about their lifestyle. And those people killed other people. It's absolutely the case.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Millions of people died. You know, I mean, it's.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. What is this, Steve? This is about the alternative health industry, right? Pharma is 645 billion.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Look at the difference in the US versus Germany.

[Danny Jones]

Wow. Japan. So number two is 99 billion. Farm is much larger than alternative medicine. That is crazy.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right. But it was a very restrictive list that you just provided, right? Like run of the mill supplements don't even fall into that. Right. If you're talking about naturopathy and stuff like that.

[Danny Jones]

Well, so he typed in alternative medicine.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's a very. Well, yeah, but look at, look at what the list was of what was included there.

[Danny Jones]

It was very restrictive. What else should it have included?

[Professor Dave Explains]

The entire stuff. Supplement industry.

[Danny Jones]

I mean, ask if this includes the supplement industry or the unregulated su.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But is it. Are all supplements, herbal medicine? That, that's not for sure.

[Danny Jones]

No.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So look, I mean you, you, you don't need to convince me that pharma makes a lot of money. Right. It's a gigantic industry.

[Danny Jones]

Right. But it's certainly not bigger than the alternative in the US According to that. We haven't included supplements.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But that's why I said it's a restrictive list. But, but yeah, I mean, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And, and, and money is money. So, so what, what is your, your, what is your position on censoring speech when it came to dissent on the whole Covid narrative and alternative medicines and stuff like that?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I wasn't familiar with a lot of it. I mean, I don't think like, are you talking about like Twitter and stuff? Like, were tweets deleted or something?

[Danny Jones]

Or tweets deleted? YouTube. Certainly lots of YouTube channels were deleted of practicing physicians who were talking about treating Covid and offering advice on how to treat it, how to take care of it. There was lots of doctors who had like, had, had treated thousands of patients themselves and had YouTube channels and were talking about what they were doing, what, what their results were, and they had their YouTube channel shut down. I personally had people on this show talking about it and had those episodes taken down and gotten channel strikes because of the. The reason YouTube gave me was medical misinformation. Yeah, they were professionals.

[Professor Dave Explains]

They weren't just.

[Danny Jones]

They were professionals, academics.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But there are professionals that engage, you know, in this. That's the problem is you have doctors that get into this, this grift Right. Paul Merrick and Pierre Corey and Peter McCullough and then you know, Avi Loeb and you know, these, there, there are professionals that engage in grifting. So it's not always Billy Carson, some joker or whatever. Right. You can have people in the highest echelon of, of academia that, that engage in grifting. So I am under, like all, everything that was labeled as medical misinformation was right now the other, the other question is, should it have been censored? That's a more delicate question. I don't know. I, I, I'm pretty neutral on it. I, I think it's, it is for the public good that it got censored then. But do we want that in general? Yeah, I, I, I don't know. To me, I go the completely other way. I'm not really interested in what is censored or what is not censored or whatever it is. I am more interested in flooding the Internet with factual information that debunks all the grifters. That's what I want to do. That's what I want to see.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, but what if you were getting censored for that?

[Professor Dave Explains]

But I, well, in what way?

[Danny Jones]

If, what if YouTube was, was demonetizing your people that were talking about vaccines or attacking people that were talking about the pyramids?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, that would be, that, that would really be shocking. Then we would have a situation where factual information is getting censored.

[Danny Jones]

Well, those people believe that their information

[Professor Dave Explains]

is factual, but they don't, they're grifters. So, so this is why you have to dig into eat. Right? So I spend a lot of space on alt health because you do like, they are professionals and they, everything they say, it requires a lot of investigation into primary scientific literature. Right? There have to be deep, there has to be content that does a deep dive on this stuff to show you to, to illustrate. And you know, you can pick any handful of these guys and I'll come back with a presentation to convince you that they're grifters.

[Danny Jones]

Right, but do you not, can you see the third, fourth, fifth and sixth level domino effects of censoring content online based on maybe something legitimate, maybe, maybe negative misinformation that could harm people. Do you see what can happen down the road with that?

[Professor Dave Explains]

So, yeah, a couple things. Number one, I do see that because then you, there's a lot of nuance right there. There are grifters that are perpetrating a grift and then there are people who are echoing the grift because they fell for it. And then there's people, there's. Yeah, there's a lot of gradations of that. And where do you choose to stop? You know, that, that becomes very tricky. My, my what? I, I'm under the impression that it's pretty selective and just the people that are grifting. Right. I don't know, but maybe not. You said you got one episode pulled down or something like that.

[Danny Jones]

We had multiple, we had multiple pulled down, but most of them were regarding the, most of them were regard. Regarding the medical stuff and the pandemic.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, I mean, in the urgency of a global pandemic where millions of people are dying. I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to say. But you know, ultimately, I'm not defending censorship. Right. I, I'm, I'm, I want to encourage the production and, and more speech. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the problem is that it, it doesn't, it, it doesn't. You know, most professionals are not willing to take the time from their job. And you know, you, you. It takes weirdos like me right there. I, I' communicator and entrepreneur. And there's very few people that have been able to make a living this way, such that they have all of their time free to hunt down these people. And, and, and, and there's so few. There's just not enough because there's thousands of these people in every single sector of, of science and technology, and every single one of them needs a counterpart that's debunking them. So I'm trying to debunk 500 people at once, you know, which is why it's hard to retain, you know, every time I, I, particularly in the medical realm, there's so many papers, so much stuff that you really have to dig into that it's impossible to keep all of it in the forefront of your mind at once. Yeah, but when I'm doing that video, I'm reading a lot of papers and I'm speaking with a lot of professionals. I'm, you know, very thoroughly exposing that individual and then I move on to another, and then another, and then another.

[Danny Jones]

So.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And I've seen my content move the needle a little bit on certain, on certain figures, which is what I want and which is what we need to see. We need a lot more people doing that. So I'm not, not here. Like, let's silence everybody. I'm just, let's have the truth be louder than the frauds. That's what I want.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. And then also on the. On the Ivermectin stuff, I had a woman. I'm just. Just popping into my head, Mary Boden, ever familiar. Familiar with her.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I.

[Danny Jones]

She worked at Houston Methodist Hospital, and her hospital that she worked at was the first hospital in the country to mandate the shock shots. And she treated something like. It was more than 6,000 patients for it. She was a respiratory specialist.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And,

[Danny Jones]

yeah, she treated over 6,000 people. And this was starting before the shots came out. And she was using all of the. Like, the recommended treatment. She was using a lot of monoclonal antibodies, which she said were very effective. She was very skeptical about the Ivermectin. She did start using. Using it. She did not see any negative effects for the ivermectin. I think she said that she was combining it with heavy doses of steroids, heavy doses of vitamin C. And I think it was the steroids, the vitamin C. Breath. Breathing. Breath work or something. Some sort of, like, breathing exercises. This is her. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's watch this real quick. There's like, she gives herself, like a. She'll do better than I do. Throw the. Throw the little cans on real quick.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

God damn it. I'm all. I'm all tied up over here. Just listen to, like, 30 seconds of this.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You're an ENT.

[Danny Jones]

She normally doesn't get involved anywhere close to the issue. And guess what?

[Professor Dave Explains]

She is knee deep in this.

[Danny Jones]

Right? So. So, Mary, I know we're, like, almost an hour into this podcast, but let's give you, like, a brief introduction, like, your background.

[Mary Boden]

Right? So I. I went to Stanford. I'm an entire. And I kind of stumbled into. I had patients coming to me because no one else would treat them. And I'm an expert in respiratory diseases, so it makes sense. And because I didn't shut my doors, people started coming to me. And initially I used. Well, I tried hydroxychloroquine, but as soon as President Trump mentioned it as an option, it got shut down, Literally. The Texas State Board of Pharmacy sent out a letter prohibiting us from prescribing it. So then I moved on to monoclonal antibodies, and those worked great. People turned around very quickly, and I get unlimited supply. Well, then the government shut that down, and that was right around.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Same thing happened here.

[Mary Boden]

When Biden mandated the CO shots, they shut down monoclonal antibodies. It was all. It was an orchestrated effort. And so I started using Ivermectin, and I found that Ivermectin worked. I was a little Nervous that it wouldn't because monoclonal antibodies worked so well. But what I did find, I found that it worked. And so I treated over 6,000 thousand patients. When you see that high volume, I mean, that's something I'll never again experience in my career. I mean, usually I see a wide variety of issues as an ent, never had such a large volume of the same disease in such a short period of time, and you become an expert in it. And you know, I started speaking out and of course I got, I got ridiculed, smeared, canceled. I'm still fighting for my medical license. So I put everything on the line to tell the truth. Truth. And I think that brings us to another point is that, you know, all

[Danny Jones]

these people, all these doctors, she's fined tens of thousands of dollars, was they threatened to take her medical license. And you know, she was getting, you know, she wasn't invited to any dinner parties anymore in Texas. Like she had nothing to gain from it. But, you know, very convincing. I understand.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Convincing narrative.

[Danny Jones]

It's whether it's a narrative or it's her actual experience. I mean, it's possible that she's telling the truth. But I understand that like none of the scientific journals have published any sort of studies that say ivermectin is effective, right? They, they, none of them do. I, I listened to your interview with Pierre Corey and I've listened to other interviews and that's what people seem to be frustrated by, is that the, there's no like placebo controlled trials that say that it did work for it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right. They're always using very shady trials, very, you know, small, small cohort, no controls. The first one was just like high, like high dose in vitro applicable to, you know, to a human system. It just, the kernel that they used and then, and then expanded upon was, was not legitimate. And then mountains of legitimate science is done after the fact because of the fervor that crops up to demonstrate conclusively that it is not effective. Both ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. And so all you can do, all you can do against this mountain of science is performed all over the world. All these different countries, all over the place is just go big, giant conspiracy. Pharma paid the blah, blah, blah, whatever. That's all you can do.

[Danny Jones]

But what about people like her who treated over 6,000 patients? And she did say that it worked in combination with vitamin C, monoclonal antibodies, steroids, all that.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, so what's the difference between that and it didn't Work at all. And other things worked, you know what I mean? Like, that's not how you do science, right? You don't go, I gave them five things and they got better. So this one must have worked. That's not how, that's not how science works. Works, you know, sure. You have to do very rigorous trials where you control every single variable, right? You, this is how you test drugs.

[Danny Jones]

So do you ban Ivermectin? Is that the answer?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, first of all, absolutely not. Because it's a legitimate drug.

[Danny Jones]

Should she be allowed to give it, to prescribe it to her patients?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I don't know how, how bureaucratic stuff works, but I definitely would look down on any doctor that was prescribing it for covet because it was shown to not work. Conclusion exclusively that anhydroxychloroquine. And that is when those drugs enter the alt health space. That is. So that's what I wanted to say about that.

[Danny Jones]

I mean, she wasn't on like Ivermectin's payroll or anything like that. She didn't make it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, okay, first of all, you don't know that you have all of these, you know, the frontline doctors, these organizations. I don't know who that person is. I don't know what her affiliations are. It's very easy to just present yourself as the, you know, the underdog fighting the big bad system. But all of these people, so the earlier we're looking at the list of them all of health versus pharma. Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are pharmaceutical drugs that have purpose, right? Ivermectin, great Nobel prize winning drug that eradicated a particular kind of parasite does fuck all against Covid. But it's a great drug that has a purpose. But then when you take it and you're prescribing it for something that it does nothing against, that's alt health. That's when you get into this alt health wellness space and you have all these doctors, frontline doctors that are getting rich because they're telling people you don't do what the doc. What the, what the big bad government says. I'll give you, I'll send you this in the mail every month. You give me 90 bucks or whatever and I'll send you this in the mail, right? That qualifies as all health. And there are a lot of people who got really, really rich.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, well, that's shitty. When you're starting a pyramid scheme on selling Ivermectin, you're you're a dirt pyramid scheme. But just whatever, whatever sort of recurring.

[Professor Dave Explains]

These people are grifters.

[Danny Jones]

It is, it is. Yeah, I would agree with you there, but at the same time, like again, I can't, I can't for a second bring myself to be able to defend companies like Pfizer who are sponsoring every single news station and newscast that's telling you that we have to stay indoors. You have to go get your shot and do all this stuff. By the way, we're sponsored by Pfizer, but trust me, even if they were paying us millions of dollars, we would still tell you the truth if we thought this stuff was bad. Like get the out of here.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay? But stay indoors and, and get a vaccine seen. What's wrong with either of those things? What's, what's bad about that messaging?

[Danny Jones]

Well, the question is, do you trust the media and do you trust the government? Do you trust and do you trust these trillion dollar corporations? Like if, if you look at history and you read history, go look at the Iraq war, do we trust these people?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, geopolitics is, well, it's completely different.

[Danny Jones]

It's. The news is selling it to us.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, sure. But the, the fact remains that money can't change, change the laws of physics or the laws of molecular biology and what, what a disease. It can't change what a pathogen is and how it kills you and what will cure it and what will defend. Right. These are all realities of the natural world and this is what scientists seek to study. So you can find a media distortion, you can find a special interest group, you can find these things. But ultimately what a disease is and what cures it cannot be manipulated in that way. Right. And you have scientists all over the world that are studying this stuff. That's why again, I'm going to keep bringing it back to this. The consensus of the global scientific community is what you go by. When you have somebody that's contradicting that, you want to be skeptical of that person. Right. So Ivermectin doesn't work against Covid, not because Pfizer said so. It's because all of the scientists all over the world say so. Right. There's a big difference there.

[Danny Jones]

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[Professor Dave Explains]

We're talking about millions of scientists.

[Danny Jones]

Right?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right. We're talking about, about an unbelievable. It doesn't make sense.

[Danny Jones]

Who pays them to study this stuff? Who pays them to study the drugs?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean all kinds of, I mean you'd have to identify an individual study and we, and we would find the source of the funding there.

[Danny Jones]

If you were to, if you were to broad brush it like by and large most scientists say there's a billion scientists in the world that are studying that, that are, are researching drugs. Who pays them to do it?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Whatever government they're working under.

[Danny Jones]

You think the government pays for it? I mean largely if it's a, if it's a. Right. Maybe if it's a, a government or a country that has national or socialized medicine. Right. But certainly not in the United States. United States medicine.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No. Still. Yeah, still. I mean a large percentage of grants are, are from the government. And I mean, it's. We're talking about, you know, medical science in general and molecular biology in general. Right. It's. It's when you're looking at what viruses do and what bacteria do and what a drug does and what an antibody does and all these things, this is just general science. Right? And so you can have clinical trials on a drug that's. That's very different from scientists who are just performing general research on pathogens and, you know, epidemiology and this kind of stuff. So, yeah, a lot of government grants and, you know, there are private corporations that are also utilizing profits to do research. So money's coming from every. I mean, it's just. It's very easy to just go, money, money, money. O. Money came from a thing.

[Danny Jones]

It come. It's like, it's. It's the most. The number one common denominator with most of this stuff. And it doesn't have to be just like financial incentives. It can also be like personal vendettas. I heard you talk with Hamilton about this, and I've heard he's talked with me about this on this podcast is there's like a really famous psilocybin study, or MDMA study, where there was this rich family who literally paid millions of dollars to buy podcast and propaganda to sabotage this MDMA study. And, like, the public perception of mdma.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's very interesting because a bunch of people.

[Danny Jones]

That's a fact.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Comments saying that that was. That. That was not true, and I didn't look into it further, so I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's a guy I've had

[Danny Jones]

on the show many times. He's a. He's a psychedelic. He's a journalist, and he really. He follows all the psychedelic stuff. All the. He. He follows. Follows like every single psychedelic study. Every. I mean, he's very skeptical of the whole industry. And he was a part of a really early psychedelic study in, like, the 90s, I think.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And I don't think anyone. There's not too many people that are denying just by and large that psychedelics have no. Have no therapeutic application. I think the vast majority of the scientific community is on board with that.

[Danny Jones]

The story was. The story was with this. On this specific case was. And they threatened to sue Hamilton over this because he exposed. It was that there was this study that was going on with mdma, and there was this guy who was really old. He was a Holocaust survivor. Some of the girls that were involved with this study Somehow met him and started giving him mdma and he's like turned his life around. He was like in his late 90s and he was loving it. He was loving his girls. I'm sure they were like banging him or whatever. And they were also giving him mdma.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And he's like, I love this. You got how much money you guys want to sponsor your MDMA study? And the granddaughter of this guy was like, what the. He's giving these MDMA whores my, my inheritance. So she decided to take a bunch of her money to sabotage their stuff. So like, it's not like some big cabal. It's not some big organization that's just trying to make profit. It's just a personal vendetta. But like it's about money at the end of the day.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. And there are frauds within, you know, within the medical establishment as well. Andrew Wakefield's bread bread bribed half a million pounds to pen the Lancet study. Andrew Wakefield penned the 1990s Lancet study that started the whole vaccine's autism craze. That will never go away.

[Danny Jones]

I don't know anything about that.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Oh, it's a whole saga. I mean, he's like, you know, the most major figure in the anti vax movement. Sort of catalyzed from the mid-90s much of what is happening now. But that's what I'm saying. He was a doctor, he was a gastroenterologist. It's possible to. It's, it's humans, it's society, there's people, there's politics, there's stuff going on at all times. Right. There's money over here, there's money over there. That's just life, that's just reality. You know what I mean? Sure.

[Danny Jones]

But that's human nature.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. The problem is, and there's no problem in going this individual instance of fraud occurred. Let's expose that and let's dish out some justice there. The problem is when you have the all health space just relentlessly spinning this overblown villainization of pharma while they are the one, while they are making enormous amounts of money pedaling, pedaling snake oil. I mean it's that, that's the main take home message here, you know, I

[Danny Jones]

mean, this is going to have, it's going to happen, you know, you're going to get bad apples. It's like, would you rather have three news channels that are feeding you all your information and you can't get it from anywhere else? Or would you rather it be open season where Everyone can go out and find information and you have to use your brain to figure out what's.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And what's good when the latter is the situation that we have now. And unfortunately an unbelievable percentage of the media landscape is, is lies. So yeah, it, it, it's a good point. Right? Yeah. When you had three news channels, does that mean that there was. And it was very, very respectable fact based journalism doesn't mean there's no propaganda. Right. Of course there can be propaganda. That's just like there's a whole genocide happening over here that no one is talking about.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And you'll never know about it because it's not on the news 100%. That's absolutely was the case. You know, and now you can't hide a genocide. Everyone's got a phone and they're filming it and showing you.

[Danny Jones]

Right. Which I want to talk about. That is probably the most unifying thing in this country right now.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure.

[Danny Jones]

What did you just have pulled up, Steve? Oh, this is not it. For drug research, where does the major. What is this jbt? Where does the majority of funding come from? Government grants, pharmaceutical companies or anything else? What is that? It says that private. Private money usually starts the research, but then pharmaceuticals take it over. Okay. For total. In total dollar terms, the majority usually comes from pharmaceutical and biotech companies, not government grants. In the U.S. cBO, whatever that is, reported that the pharmaceutical industry spent 83 billion on research and development in 2019. And a national academics NCBI review says private industry and the state sector, or says private industry as a sector was the largest overall investor in biomedical research.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So, so pharmaceutical companies invest in R and D to develop drugs. Right, that's what. That's right, right, exactly. They make drugs. That's the business. It's the business of making drugs. It takes a lot of money to make drugs and.

[Danny Jones]

Right. Well, what was the question though? Was, is the question was what?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, you were asking about where all the funding comes from for, for medical science.

[Danny Jones]

Drug research. Oh, right, obviously. Yeah. Okay, that question is drug research. Obviously the money would come from the companies that are selling the.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But I think what you wanted to talk about is where academic research is. Funding for academic research is coming from in anything that is tangential pertains to

[Danny Jones]

the correct question would be what academic scientists, how much? What percentage of funding.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

For science. Science. And you can't really lump it into like science that's too broad.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

If you're talking about science, you'd be talking about for this.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Even that is difficult. If you're just talking about medical science in general or something that would beat medical science.

[Danny Jones]

That's a good one.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, I don't know. It's hard to say, but I mean obviously, I mean it's, it's very, very broad. Right.

[Danny Jones]

And you'd also have to narrow down to the U.S. medical science in the U.S. but scientists.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's the thing about academic science is that much or most of academic science is just let's figure out how does thing, how do things work? What is this made of? What does it do? Right. Academic. The point of academic science, which is why it's so tragic that the funding for science is being slashed under this administration, is you are, it's scientists that want to figure stuff out and know how everything works and, and find cool new application. You know, like they're doing the foundational work that then others can go in industry and say well this is, they just figured out how to. That there's this material. What, what can we do with this material? And we can make this thing or whatever. That's what's incredible about academic science. Right. When you're in the private sector, everything's obviously very profit oriented. And so to sacrifice academic science, which is what we're seeing, seeing right now, you're, you're losing that foundational layer of like just well, what, you know, what happens if we try this or you know, what, what's this thing all about? It's the true exploratory science is largely happening in, in academia.

[Danny Jones]

You find anything? Steve, do you type in medical science?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, it's still searching. Chat is going slow for us. Yeah. And you know, just again, some of the history that, some of the history of America and like the, the science that has been done in America for nefarious reasons and nefarious terms, it's. Once you learn about that and you're exposed to that, it's really hard, hard to, to get that out of your head, you know, and that, that might be human nature.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You're going to go to that one. Probably.

[Danny Jones]

Maybe Tuskegee is one, maybe Operation Paperclip is another one. Maybe the Manhattan Project is a good, good example of top, the top scientists in the world, including Nazi ones, bomb

[Professor Dave Explains]

and kill people with it. I mean. Right.

[Danny Jones]

Like that's, that's the goal here is to kill people.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But, but yeah, no, I mean, and

[Danny Jones]

look, you can't broad brush everything with that obviously. But it's like when you, you're, when you learn about all this stuff, it's overwhelming.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. But There. So there's a couple things here. So number one, we do want to differentiate between the, the veracity of science and what people do with it. So there are those in, in that space that want to call and call into question the validity of science. There's nothing wrong with the validity of the science that made the bomb. That's why it worked. Right. So they figured out a bunch of physics. Yeah. And then they made a bomb with it. That's the.

[Danny Jones]

I'm not saying whether it's VAL or not. I'm just questioning the motives.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, sure, sure. But, no, but there are a lot of people who just, you know, all, you know, physicists are all, it's all fake and all this stu.

[Danny Jones]

There's people that think nukes are fake, that thinks they aren't real, you know, that. Are you aware of that one? You got to check that one out.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There's just, at this point nothing surprises me on the, on the Internet. But, but then, so putting that aside, just. Yeah, people do bad things in the world. There are people that do bad things and there are people who use science to do bad things. And I mean, all we can do is point out all of these instances and where malfeasance is occurring and you know, shine a spotlight on it. You know, try it, you know, you know, try to educate people on what has happened in the past and then try to empower regulatory, regulatory bodies to minimize that happening in, in, in the future. Right. That's why we need a robust fda. We need a robust, we need these institutions to be able to do their job. You know, we have this constant seesaw between the government and the private sector.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And that is unfortunately how, how the world works.

[Danny Jones]

Seesaw. It's a, it's a marriage.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. Well, it's a very one sided look at Trump's cabinet.

[Danny Jones]

Look at all the AI people. Look at Peter Thiel, all these people that are, you know, Alex Karp talking about dropping fentanyl lase urine on his enemies. Like this is, these are the people that are getting all this money, like billions of dollars from the US Government and like literally probably mostly responsible for getting him in power, grooming JD Vance, like all this crazy stuff.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. And head of the EPA in the, in the pocket of, you know, fossil fuel lobby. Like just you have people being put at the heads of institutions that are antithetical to the purpose of the institution. Right. So this is why.

[Danny Jones]

It's rotten to its core.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's rotten to its core. And that's why like government bad Government bad. Government bad. Okay. We have the private sector, right? Right now the seesaw is that the private sector has undue influence on, on the government. So, so you have, you know, a lot of the, a lot of the anti establishment narratives going on right now are very like pro private sector, right? The government sucks. Academia is communism, all this stuff. We need to give all the money to Elon Musk because he's a brilliant man that knows what to do in the meantime, that's the point of Doge is to go in and just dismantle all the.

[Danny Jones]

Really Anybody that. Can you see that? Oh yeah, people.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So, so the, the propaganda that is directly from the oligarchy is of this flavor, right? Academic institutions are woken doctrination camps and all of the blah, blah, blah. And the sign, you know, everybody sucks there and don't go to college and everything from a college sucks. So it's very pro private sector, right? It's very deliberate, right? That's why, that's why we're seeing this movement towards dismantling regulatory bodies and giving more and more and more power and influence to the private sector. So you know, that's not, I'm not saying government good, right there, there's a. You don't want a totalitarian government that, that wreaks havoc on the private sector, but right now it's not the case, right? We have the other situation where the private sector has too much influence on government, right? You can buy politicians and make them, you know, do what you want. So.

[Danny Jones]

And they're also using their influence to trade stocks because they know what's going to happen. They know the laws that are going to change is the policies that are going to change and they're making the rules. They can predict the future. I mean, similar to like you see, with some crazy insider trading on fucking straight A Hormuz shit right now.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, yeah, I know very little about it, but I instantly believe everything that you're saying. But I mean, so it's a tricky situation, right, because governments have to exist. We need governments as a society, as a civilization. But the trick is, you know, when you see an administration that is appointing all these people to these cabinet posts, right, that's. It takes a very large grassroots political movement to number one, recognize the problem, right? Anybody who can't see that RFK is a knight nightmare, that's very problematic, right? That society can't, can't. You can't unanimously agree that RFK is a nightmare.

[Danny Jones]

I don't think it's a.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, he's completely 100 antithetical to public health. Everything about him, he is. If one of those insane TikTok wellness influencers became the head of hhs, right? That's, that's, that's what he is. Right.

[Danny Jones]

So he's not a tick tock influencer. He's not suing public health people for, for decades.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No. Yeah. One of his main sources or his main source of income is, is, is lawsuits against finders, fees for lawsuits. But none of those lawsuits actually demonstrate harm from vaccines or anything. They're all just.

[Danny Jones]

Well, it's not just vaccines but also glyphosate. Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Wasn't there a guy he was right over for Monsanto? He's deregulating, he's deregulating for all these. He, he, he, he waves this flag of like I'm a champion of the people. He absolutely is actually doing the opposite. He's de. I mean not only is he firing everybod, CDC and fda. FDA that have any.

[Danny Jones]

Firing everybody.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean not everybody, but I mean. Yeah, like, like in thousands upon thousands.

[Danny Jones]

Maybe he's just like fumigating all the corruption out of there.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No, he's, no, he's making it corrupt by fumigating out all the legitimate scientists.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, but how do you know, how do you know he's not fuming? How do you know he's not getting the corruption out of there?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Because the output of these institutions is now exclusively medical misinformation. Right? That's what's happening now is you have, you have never before had medical misinformation of this degree coming out of official state channels.

[Danny Jones]

Like which one never happened before? Like which cdc.

[Professor Dave Explains]

CDC is no longer.

[Danny Jones]

What is the CDC saying? That's medical information.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Rfk. RFK tells Trump I'm going to figure out the cause of autism because that's what's going to happen. And then he goes on and say it's Tylenol. We figured out Tylenol. All this crap, you know, pushing vitamin. Of course it's not true. Right. And then he had to.

[Danny Jones]

We know. How do we know?

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's plenty of studies have been done and then more after this insane accusation and then they got sued of course by, by, by, by the makers of Tyler. Of course they did. So it's just like it, you, it's a, it's a non stop circus sideshow of a guy who definitely has no idea what he's talking about. I mean everything the guy said, I mean he's like an HIV denialist, you know, all like really insane stuff. We've never seen this before in, in, in HHS or, you know, and nih. And then Jay Bhattacharya is right behind him also. Just complete fraud. And so this is what you have. You have stacking. You. You have all these institutions being stacked with loyalists that are running this, the, the narrative of this administration. And we need to. The, the core issue is getting the public aware that that is what is happening because then you can vote people out of office, and then you can vote people into office that will put credible people at the helm of these institutions and you can very slowly start to rehabilitate this.

[Danny Jones]

What did you find? Find? What are you looking for? He's an HIV denialist.

[Professor Dave Explains]

He's an hiv.

[Danny Jones]

Of course Google's going to say this, bro. What did he actually say about it? Oh my God, that is unreadable.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, so, I mean, okay, what

[Danny Jones]

is says claims on HIV AIDS causation. In his 2021 book, in the real. The Real Anthony Fauci and other public statements, Kennedy has argued that AIDS is not exclusively caused by. By hiv. He has asserted that his initial AIDS epidemic was linked to the use of poppers in the gay community rather than the virus. So he's saying his AIDS is not the exclusive cause, which that makes him an HIV denialist.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Of course it does. HIV is, causes aids, right?

[Danny Jones]

Well, he's not denying that HIV also causes aids. He's saying it's not the exclusive cause.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, but what he's saying is absolutely insane and it doesn't make any sense at face value anyway, right? It is, it is a. Is a. It is a disease caused by a virus caused by the hiv. HIV virus. That's what it is. This is well known.

[Danny Jones]

But he's saying it's also other things. Right, but, but how do you know

[Professor Dave Explains]

that it's not because it's caused by virus? It's a viral disease?

[Danny Jones]

Have you talked to AIDS experts on this?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Dude, come on, man. Every. Like this is such a laughing stock talking point, right? We look at where we.

[Danny Jones]

I don't know jack about aids.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Look at where we have come with AIDS treatment. Why do you think that whereas AIDS was a death sentence in the 80s and 90s, that now it is not that through the use of various therapeutics, because we know what, how it's caused. We have drugs that target every single step in the replication cycle of the virus that are inhibitors of this step and this step we understand very, very well. This is what I'm talking about. When you say, when you. So what's alarming is what you just did. I want everyone listening to not do that. Right? What you have to have is this intense skepticism, racism. When somebody like RFK says something like that poppers cause aids, this is insane because. And if you don't know a lot about AIDS and, But you can look into it, right? You can look into what these drugs do, how they affect the replicative cycle of the virus, how well we understand HIV and aids, and that's why we are able to treat it so effectively.

[Danny Jones]

Well, here's the thing. I think that you should be skeptical of everything. I think that anyone who's making the rules, anyone who is in charge, the principal of your school or the people that are making the laws in your country, you should absolutely hold their feet to the fire and question what they're doing and try to hold them accountable for things. Whether that be the people who got us into the pandemic or the people who are claiming, whether true or not, to get us out of some sort of up system that we've been in for 50, 60 years, that's fine, right? So, so, right. And I think the problem here is, is which is human nature. People see evidence of big bad guy right here, New guy comes in, he must be the savior. It's binary. Well, the, the, the reality of it is this your savior that might, may be coming in. There may be some questionable things. There may be some corruption in there too. So you can't just automatically ignore all skepticism for the newcomer that's coming in.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You're also immaculately, immaculately disrupted describing whatever jerk was on Joe Rogan last week, Right? What you just described is exactly what I want people to do to the person feeding them these narratives on whatever podcast they're watching, right? Approach that person with skeptics.

[Danny Jones]

What do you mean, jerk that was on Joe Rogan. What do you mean?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm saying whatever fraud was on Joe Rogan last week, telling them this narrative about COVID or Ivermectin or whatever it is, right? Approach that person with extreme skepticism.

[Danny Jones]

Everybody. You should approach with everybody extreme skepticism.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I mean, when you, you approach the entire body of scientific knowledge with skepticism, I mean, you can do that if you want, but then what you inevitably doing is you start learning science, right? If you're like, how does AIDS work?

[Danny Jones]

Exactly.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Great. How does AIDS work? Everybody Google that and learn how AIDS works. And then you will see that what RFK said is insane, right? So fine. I mean, I want to encourage, learn. If you come to learning from a, from a Position of skepticism. Fine. I don't care. Do. Whether you're like, I want to see how AIDS works. Or whether you're like, I bet it's not true. Let me learn it. You know, whatever learning is learning. But the true skepticism should be applied to whatever institution you're talking about. But also whoever is feeding you these narratives, these just at this point, it's such a trope, the anti establishment narrative. You have the big bad whatever. Fill in the blank. I'm the truth teller on the podcast that's whistleblowing or whatever it is, the people that are making these rounds on the podcasts, right. You have to scrutinize what they're saying. Saying you have to follow up. You have to look at, you know, and so of course, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Why do you pick on Joe Rogan so much?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Because he just ex. Almost exclusively platforms, frauds, you know, exclusively. Anytime we're talking about in. In like with medical stuff and like with the pseudoarchaeology stuff, right? He just very, very, very heavily leans in that direction.

[Danny Jones]

I think he just talks to people that he's really interested in. Genuinely. I don't think he. I don't think he's. He's trying to deceive anybody.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, I probably don't think that. But there's no way. But he may not. But it doesn't matter because he doesn't

[Danny Jones]

have anyone telling him who to have on a show. Like he does it all himself.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, but he, but he likes these stories, right? He likes these stories of so what? Big bad whatever. And I'm telling. I'm whistleblowing. He just likes whistleblowing. He's. No, the guest is whistleblowing.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, the guest is whistleblowing. I see what you're saying, right?

[Professor Dave Explains]

He has on somebody that's like the big bad establishment and I have the super secret awesome truth. Right? He just. Anyone who presents that narrative, he is implicit. He is inherently biased towards that narrative. And so I, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Well, he was by. He was smeared by CNN during the whole Covid thing. When they put him on there and they like photoshopped and made him yellow and said, look at this guy, he's taking horse dewormer. When he literally said, he goes, I took vitamin C, nad, monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin and a laundry list of other things.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Things.

[Danny Jones]

And he's like, it's like they were upset that he, that he did well. And then they had Jay Batacharia come on his show like a couple weeks later, who is like the Head scientist at CNN or whatever. He goes, and, you know, you should get your coveted shot, Joe. He's like, no. Why? He's like, I just had Covid and recovered last week. I have natural immunity. And Jay goes, oh, yeah, I guess you got a good point.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, I don't.

[Danny Jones]

You know, like.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, Jay also is a massive fraud, but not for. For. For suggesting that people get vaccinated. But. Yeah, so. So, but I don't. Yeah, they're like horse dewormer. I mean, it is that, but it.

[Danny Jones]

It is also used for animals.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's used for. It's all. It's. It's used for humans for a very particular parasite.

[Danny Jones]

So, I mean, billions of uses on humans.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Not billions of use, no, essentially, mainly this one use of. Of this. Of this particular parasite.

[Danny Jones]

But it's been used billions of times, like, since it came out.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, but the pro. But. So the other side of this is that many, many, many people died because they were convinced that ivermectin C cured covet, which it does not. And the. The reason that this narrative gained traction is through podcasts, primarily through Joe Rogan, a few others. Brett Weinstein was pushing this crap as well. Like, a bunch of people were in the podcast space were pushing this narrative, and people died because of it. So, okay, like, the thing of, like, they photoshopped his face. I mean, yeah, I think. Yeah, maybe he didn't look that way. I don't know.

[Danny Jones]

I don't know why they perpetually lied through the whole thing. Thing.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay, so. So they're doing a clickbait thing, too. But, you know, I mean, the media landscape has a lot of clickbait.

[Danny Jones]

But Joe Rogan is not sp. He's sponsored by people, but he's not sponsored by Pfizer.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, that's.

[Danny Jones]

Did you see the montage of every single news station brought to you by Pfizer? Like, there's montages of. I've seen it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No, but that's. That's fine.

[Danny Jones]

It's crazy.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Joe is. Joe is sponsored by nobody and yet is constantly pushing disinformation. Not himself deliberately, but through. Through his guests. Right, so who. This is the problem.

[Danny Jones]

He's an independent journalist is what he is. He's having people on who he thinks. He's reading books, he's listening to podcasts, and he's doing, like, five podcasts a week. This is it. Watch this.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, you don't need to convince me. It's fine.

[Danny Jones]

This weather report brought to you by Pfizer.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Today's Countdown to the royal wedding is brought to you by by Pfizer.

[Danny Jones]

And now a CBS Sports Update, brought to you by Pfizer. Meet the Press data download, brought to you by Pfizer. This portion of CBS this Morning, sponsored by Pfizer on how to find the hidden sugars in the American family diet, sponsored by Pfizer, Making a difference, brought to you by Pfizer.

[Professor Dave Explains]

CNN Tonight, brought to you by Pfizer.

[Danny Jones]

Early Start, brought to you by Pfizer. Friday night on Aaron Burnett out front, brought to you by Pfizer.

[Professor Dave Explains]

This Week with George Stephanopoulos is brought to you by.

[Danny Jones]

I mean, it's comical. Is comical.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Look, Pfizer is a brand and they want brand recognition and they sponsor stuff

[Danny Jones]

in the middle of pandemic, pushing out a vaccine that's going to be mandated to everyone or else you lose your job.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, okay, so how, okay, we can

[Danny Jones]

get off this topic.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No, we'll come back to that because I just want to finish the thing I say. Brought to you by Pfizer does not equal lie. And not brought to you by Pfizer does not equal truth. That's the main thing I want to say. So podcasts in particular Joe's are a vehicle by which enormous amounts of disinformation spread high volume, very rapidly, all over the place. And Joe has these people on every week. That's part one.

[Danny Jones]

And he should.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I should he. What do you mean he should?

[Danny Jones]

He should. He should.

[Professor Dave Explains]

He should have frauds.

[Danny Jones]

That should be frauds. He should. It doesn't. That's not the point. The point is he should have as many people on as he thinks is possibly as he as many interesting people on as possible and as many as he wants to. It's not his job.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Are they interested? Interesting? I mean, is a grifter interesting?

[Danny Jones]

It's not his job to attribute motive to that person.

[Professor Dave Explains]

His job is to do, is to make money. Like he's just making money on his show and he's has an unbelievably large net worth to show for it. You can, he can do whatever he wants. Right? He's a free agent.

[Danny Jones]

You should be able to. And there's no, there should not be limits on that.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There's. I'm not saying. Look, the point is there's not, it's not about. He shouldn't get to have a show or this per, you know, that person, whatever. It's about, about having a media landscape where. And you know this, you had on Bart Sibell and I feel like you with Charlie Duke With Charlie Duke. And so like the first. So I did two on Bart Sibrel, two videos. And the second one, I used your two episodes. So you had on. You had him the first episode, it seemed like you kind of bought it a little bit. And then the second time, unfortunately, Charlie was not prepared to do anything. But he's.

[Danny Jones]

I think Bart still lost me on the one, though.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's what I'm saying is that you had done a little bit of work in the interim and you nailed him on some stuff with the shadows and stuff. And so I think that you realized he's a fraud. I think hopefully your viewers realize that he's a fraud. Then I think you had on Everyday Astronaut and you talked about it more, I believe.

[Danny Jones]

Yep.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So. So that if Joe Rogan did that, I wouldn't have a problem with that. That's why I agreed to be here, because I feel like you are what Joe thinks he is. I think that that's what you're trying to lean into, or at least that's my impression. So I, I'm here to commend that and try to be part of.

[Danny Jones]

Well, I would have never done this if it wasn't for Joe Rogan. Like, I would have never created a podcast if it wasn't for him. I think everyone was a podcast can say that enormously.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And, and, and I've listened to Joe Rogan episodes back in the day when he used to have just comedians on and interesting people. And you know, when I was in a tour van a lot, I would listen to him.

[Danny Jones]

I think like 80% of his. Of his library is comedians still. Like, he has more comedians on than anyone still. Like eventually.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Every once in a while he has like some scientists on that. You know, he's had a lot of climate change scientists on. He's had a lot of immunologists and, and all kinds of. I mean, there's no topic that he hasn't covered. But like going back to your point about the moon and Bart s, like, I've changed my mind on things multiple times. I've gone back and forth. Just the other day, two days ago. Have you ever seen these? These are pre dynastic Egyptian vases. So me and Flint Dibble were talking about this when he was on my show and I, I pressured him on his. I thought he was full of.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right.

[Danny Jones]

Because these are granite vases that were measured in. In light scanners at aerospace companies.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Ben stuff. Right.

[Danny Jones]

This is Ben. Ben Kirkwick first brought this stuff to me. So here's the the idea behind these is they're pre dynastic back in the day, like 4,000 years ago, when the Egyptians were using copper tools and stone chisels or. Yeah, stone and copper tools to create and craft and do hieroglyphics and build everything. So these things which were dated to the same time were made of granite, one of the hardest stones that exists. And when they were measured with the most precise measuring equipment known to man, it found out they were so precise the only way we could make them today was on a CNC machine. So it's like, how do we have this computer precision with granite, the hardest stone known to man, one of the below diamond, but dated to 4,000 years ago. It doesn't add up to, to anything. And I was convinced that like there's something wrong, there's a huge gap here. Like, how do we get, like, how do we get a academic archaeologist from Egypt on here to address this stuff with someone like Ben and, and get to the bottom of this and lots of people. Chris Dun, he wrote an amazing book that I really enjoyed called the Giza Power Plant. He's a, he's an engineer, an aerospace engineer engineer who discovered the pyramids in the nine or in the 80s rather. And he looked at the interior layout and said, this looks like a machine to me. This looks like a mechanical thing that has some sort of a. It looks like it's performing a. Built to perform a function rather than a funerary tomb. So he wrote a book about it and he also talked about the vases. When he came on, he brought me that one, that 3D print. So it's like what Ben was trying to say in his video is like, well, this must be evidence for ancient machining or some sort of. Yeah, I'm familiar with ancient technology. I know you're very aware of this. I'm just trying to describe people who don't know advanced ancient technology that can be attributed to the Egyptians if they had stone tools and copper chisels. Right. So there's people that have like spent hundreds of thousands of dollars buying these on the antiquities markets. And they were like a huge anomaly to me, like almost as much, if not more than the pyramids themselves. I had a guy on just the other day who was a nuclear engineer who was fascinated by this. He got into Ben's work early on, like found his YouTube channel, was fascinated by it, and he like made this his life. He started studying them, like measuring them, going to museums and measuring the ones that were in the museums. He measured the ones that were in the private collections. And he also measured ones that were modern recreations like that he knew for a fact were made in like on like CNC machines and like laser cutters and stuff like that. And what he found was that all of the super precise ones that were really like accurate and had to have done on a cnc, CNC machine were modern. The vast majority. Like he laid it out all, laid it all out on a graph.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And he convinced himself and me that the whole narrative was the whole that, not that it was all like, I don't think that these people know that this or I, I, I'm sure a lot of them are going to push back against it and they're going to ignore it and they're going to, they're going to deny it when it gets in their face.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Because you're emotionally invested now in this fantastical claim and it props up all of these wonderful, all the ancient super advanced civilization, all this. Right.

[Danny Jones]

But Max, what Max, Lily, Max Zov came up, he, he showed us the evidence. He put it all on a graph, man. And, and all the super precise ones were modern recreations. He even paid to have a modern recreation done by a company in China. China. And it was like very similar to the ones that all these people had that they said were ancient. So it's like now the evidence is in the other court. Like I can't say these things are ancient anymore, I, until I see evident more evidence goes to the contrary.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So a couple of things. Number one, I applaud you for that. Number two, if every podcast in this space operated as you described, then we, I, I wouldn't be saying anything about it. And we wouldn't have such widespread science denial as we do today. Right. Joe doesn't do that very rarely. Right. He'll have Flint on.

[Danny Jones]

He did it with Flint.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah, well, he did it with Flint and then after the fact started this giant smear campaign, Flint is a liar or whatever, and then never had him back on. And then just had fraud after fraud after fraud. Right. Pseudoarchae. Pseudo, the pseudoarchaeology spaces, you know, thrived on Rogan first. But so look, once again, like you, you know, you did that, right? You had this guy says this, this guy says this. You're giving equal attention to, you know, you're not the one that has to be the arbiter of what's true. Right. You hear people making claims. So I want to encourage that and it's very important, especially for people like you to do that because you have in the past have, have had these people on. And I think that a lot of your viewers, viewers put a lot of stock in some of these figures. And so for you to have someone on that's, that's debunking this narrative, this claim that ends up being very. Because you can have it on a lot of different, you know, somebody can write a paper about it. People are not going to read the paper that people don't read scientific journals. It has to like this, this is what the podcast landscape has, has to transform into, is having credit credible people, people on that. And it's, it's hard because you don't like, you know, I said Avi Loeb earlier, he's a Harvard professor. How do you know he's a grifter? Right. Well, he is, you know, Harvard professor can be a grifter. Surprise, surprise. You know, it happens. It does happen. And so in that case. Right. You know, and hopefully maybe you'll have someone on that'll debunk everything that Avi says.

[Danny Jones]

Well, we had. What's his name on. What was the gentleman from mit? Jim Gates. You heard him.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Him.

[Danny Jones]

He's great. He. Anyways, he's very, very well respected. He knew, he knew Fermi, I think Enrico Fermi. He knew Stephen Hawking, like one of like the most legendary MIT physicists. But those, those guys are hard to get.

[Professor Dave Explains]

They are hard to get. So that's, that's the other tricky part is that the podcasting landscape has become this, like, alternate universe universe of outlandish claims that academia has traditionally just ignored.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

They're just like, there's crazy people saying crazy things. It doesn't affect me, I don't care, and I'm not going to deal with it. And so most academics have traditionally been unwilling to do so. Me, I'm not an academic. I live in this space, right. I'm some guy making videos at home. And so these are the narratives that I deal with every day and that I'm so. For me to come here, it's not weird, but. But I think that I'm finally starting to see a change within the scientific community because they're realizing how severely public perception of science affects their ability to do science because they're voting administrations into power that then slash funding for science. And now all of a sudden, they have all of their grants taken away. They can't do science anymore. So I'm seeing a little bit of the stirrings of a fervor among scientists and a little bit more Willingness to. To, you know, utilize these platforms to. To. To speak out. So I'm hoping that if you can kind of lead the way in. In a certain regard, in. In this way and many other podcasts, hopefully will try to be this way. Be, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Try to get, you know, and the more academics that do it that traditionally haven't done it, you know, not Avi Lobert. He's dying to, but. But people who, who wouldn't otherwise, that are going to give you factual information to discredit whatever RFK said this week, because every week he's saying something insane. We need that. We need more of that in this podcasting space. That's. That's where it has to.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, we need to see more debates, more people get together with opposing ideologies or opposing viewpoints on things. And I. I try. We try our best to do that. It's not easy to do.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. And the other. So, I mean, I think a lot of academics are not used to, like, a combative environment. And I mean, it's like academia can be combative in that everybody has different ideas. That's one thing that I think a lot of people don't understand is that there. There exists debate within academia. It's just that you have these opposing ideas. You know, the dark matter is. This dark matter is that. Well, you publish papers, right. You do research and you publish papers. These are the results that I got. That. Which might, you know, perhaps this dark matter candidate is no longer.

[Danny Jones]

And also, you know, some of the smartest people aren't the best communicators.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's true. Right.

[Danny Jones]

And some of the best communicators. Communicators, because they're the dumbest I've ever met.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That can also be true. So it's just a situation. We're here 2026. We have a situation where very slowly, over the past decade or so, this alternate reality has been cultivated in the podcast space where it's just sort of these very specific charlatans just make the rounds and conjure this other reality where it's, you know, the big bad academic science. You can't listen to them. We have this super cool team Truth, and the academics have, up until this point, just kind of allowed it to happen and just like, well, we don't care what they say. You know, they're just. It's some lunatic shouting on a street corner. Well, it's not a lunatic shouting on the street corner now. It's the head of the hhs.

[Danny Jones]

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[Professor Dave Explains]

I don't, I can't think of one.

[Danny Jones]

Nothing.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Nothing.

[Danny Jones]

I mean, because not even Epstein.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, but that's. I mean I, I never doubted.

[Danny Jones]

I mean, two years ago people would have been like, there's no way they're trafficking and eating kids. And now there's emails that prove it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Basically, yeah. I mean, I don't know the precise details, but I never doubted. I mean, I think part of it

[Danny Jones]

is just that what you qanon get out of here.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, I think that I've always just been with Epstein and like Mossad ties and stuff. Like I've been, you know, anti Zionist for a very, very long time. Time. So I.

[Danny Jones]

You're Italian, right?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. But my wife is Palestinian and I have a, you know, large extended Palestinian family. So I just kind of. I mean, not that, you know, I was becoming aware of Israel prior to meeting her, but then, you know, over the past, I just. It's been a long process of, like,

[Danny Jones]

is she, like, born there?

[Professor Dave Explains]

She was not. She was born in Chicago, but her parents fled. They fled in the 70s. So it's just I. I've known what Israel is for a long time, and so a figure like Epstein, like, it's just I never really doubted that. I'm more in the science space where it's like, I can pretty easily sniff out when something is scientifically inaccurate and then also the motivations behind it. Sometimes I have to dig into literature a little bit, but usually I can tell, oh, this is a Christian propaganda mill. Right. That's. That's what's going on there. But with that stuff with geopolitics, I don't think I ever really doubted a lot of that stuff. I know how horrific certain people are and how horrific certain nations are and, and how horrific the, you know, a very, very large percentage of the American government is. That was never something I doubted. So.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, but like, one of the craziest conspiracies that people were getting made fun of for is, like, the whole, like, global banker cabal, you know, that controls the world. There's this globalist elite economy that goes to the Trilateral Commission and Bill Gates and Bezos and Peter Teal are going there and they're, They're. They're doing deals on arms trafficking and child human trafficking and all this stuff. And, like, they really control the world. They really control the government. And it's like, you know, at some level, there's a certain level of society that just, like, brushes those people off. Like, these people are insane. And then you have, like, depending on how it's worded and who knows how much gaslighting is involved when it comes to the U.S. the U.S. government, too, because, like, you know, like, there's no way you can tell me that the US Government hasn't predicted what's going to happen when they hide all this information and don't tell us the truth about things like hiding all the. About the Charlie Kirk thing, not saying a word, hiding all the stuff about the Trump assassination, not saying a word about that guy. That thing is just tied up. We don't hear anything about it, nor does he say anything about it. So many things like this where you don't give any answers, no conclusive answers. And then the Epstein files All this Epstein file stuff comes out. All these emails, all these people, these billionaires.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

That run these huge corporations in the US and other countries are implicated in all this horrific. And the FBI says, number one, first of all, they say, I mean, if you want to really rewind it, if you elect me, I'm going to release the Epstein files now. It's a Democratic hoax. They don't exist.

[Professor Dave Explains]

They don't exist. Yeah. And then. Then here's half of them, the half that I'm not in.

[Danny Jones]

And then here it is, The Dow's up 50,000 or whatever. And then, you know, here they are. But we're also. And by the way, I don't give the Democrats that are. As much as I can't stand Pam Bondi or Cash Patel, I don't give the Democratic people that are attacking her any credit because they didn't do jack when they were in power. When Biden was president, when Clinton was president, when Obama was president, nothing was done. That shit was colored up the whole time. It's just a political. It's just politically advantageous to them right now. So, yeah, they give. They drop all that crazy, horrendous shit on us and they don't give us any explanation. What was your conclusion? Oh, nothing. Here you go. Have fun on Twitter.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, just blow up the Internet. Yeah, just nuke the Internet. Let everybody freak out.

[Danny Jones]

Exactly.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, I don't need any convincing that there are evil people in power that do evil things. Like, that's. It's just categorically different. Right. Ideal. In the space of people who are. Who are spreading disinformation. That is scientifically untrue. Right. That's the thing about, like, with something like Epstein files or whatever, like all of these people did all these things.

[Danny Jones]

I don't.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Like, was there a camera? I don't know, but that's very.

[Danny Jones]

There were. There were cameras in every single house.

[Professor Dave Explains]

So let's see. The, like, we like the. The. The great thing about science is that it's empirical. Anybody can test anything. What does a pathogen do? What does a drug do? What is. How does this law of physics work? What is that made out of? Anybody can test it and find out for themselves. That's what's awesome about science. And that's what, that's what makes, like, science denial, deeper debunking, fairly accessible to someone like me is. It's just a.90% of it is just fumbling basic science. And I can use very basic principles in physics. And chemistry and et cetera, to, to, to debunk it when it comes to what the government is doing. I don't know, man. I don't know what they're doing. They're doing bad stuff. Yes, of course they are. Yeah, yeah. They're two different spheres. I don't make political content. People have complained that my content has gotten too political lately. But it's inevitable because you have people who politicize science. So in order to, in order to depoliticize science, I have to talk about the political motives of people who are politicizing science. And that's Trump's, that's RFK's, HHS all up and down. Right. So in order to defend the scientific community and the, and scientific truth from politicians, you have to mention them and talk about their motives and everything like that. But in terms of. Yeah, just, I, I wasn't, I never doubted the Epstein stuff or the, or the SOD link. I mean, people. Yeah, people. I mean, and I mentioned it like offhand in a react video. Maybe I'll talk about Epstein was massad. And I'll get like, I will get a little bit of that. Like, Dave, there's no evidence for that. I'm like, I don't know, man. I, I.

[Danny Jones]

Have you ever done a video or a debate with Professor Jang?

[Professor Dave Explains]

No, I did a reaction video on him. That. That guy's nuts. Yeah. And so I.

[Danny Jones]

Similar background. Similar, similar start to you, right?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I suppose.

[Danny Jones]

He's a high school teacher.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, Yeah. I taught at a university. But, yeah, the fake professor.

[Danny Jones]

But he does the whole whiteboard thing and all that.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah, he's. It's like a fake school or. I don't know what's going on there. It's super.

[Danny Jones]

It's so fun. I get sucked in. Yeah, it just, he just fudgeing holes. I watch those videos and it just got me in a stranglehold. I can't stop watching it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But the thing with that guy. So I did a reaction video and I got a little bit crucified in the comments because I did one. So he, I looked at his catalog and a bunch of it is about science, which is my wheelhouse.

[Danny Jones]

And I'm also the most boring titles ever.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Like no. Clickbait.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. But it's also insane. I mean, when he talks about science, it's insane. Insane. He has no idea what he's talking about. It's crazy. And so I was like, oh, okay, I'm. I'll react to one of these science videos, but at the front of it I reacted to. He went on Breaking Points and, and it was like a little 15 minute one. And so I, I was just like, well, let's react to this one first disclaimer. I don't know much about geopolitics, so I may or may not have anything to say. And he kept it really, really tame on that one. He didn't say anything outrageous except for at the end he was like Illuminati, whatever the, you know. But he, he kind of just regurgitated some stuff about straight a Hormuz and stuff that he'd like heard from other things. So he didn't say anything that weird. And so I got to the end, I was like, all right, whatever. So now let's watch the science one. And just, I just eviscerated. He was just trying to talk about cosmology and evolution and just had no idea what he's talking about. But so many people just watched like the first five minutes of me reacting to him on Breaking Points and we're like, dave doesn't know anything. I mean, I said a naive thing. I said something because he said, you know, Iran will beat America. It will destroy the American in, you know, American empire or whatever. And I was like, well, that's insane. They're not going to destroy America. But he just has these vague, you know, Iran will win. So I was like, oh, well, that's silly. So I said something that wasn't phrased properly, like America can't lose or that does it. It's not about winning and lose. It's not like two armies and one remains at the end. You know what I mean?

[Danny Jones]

It's, it's not like a clear cut thing. A winner and a loser.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. So I said something a little bit naive and I kind of got crucified in the, the, in the section, in the comment section. But then it went on to like an hour of me reacting to him fumbling high school level science principles. And I was just like, why does anybody believe this guy? Like, he's just spewing a lot of

[Danny Jones]

the stuff that he does say though, about the geopolitical implications of like what's going on in the relationships between countries, especially with this around war is very accurate. Like.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, but I think that some, whatever saying he's saying that's accurate is pretty trivial that you can just get off of maybe.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, I'm sure you could learn it from anybody else, but I like learning it from him. I think it's, I mean, it gets like here, here's another thing people like him and people like even Graham Hancock or. Or any of these people. Like, it's happened to me where even if these people, whoever you want to say it is, say they're like, the worst liars in the world. Right? Yeah, it's happened to me where, like, that's hooked me into a topic where, like, I really thought, like, like, this is so fascinating. This is so crazy. Aliens built the pyramids. Holy. Now I want to go. I want to keep drilling down and drilling down and drilling down, and eventually I'll get to where I got on these Egyptian vases. Like, oh, my God. But now I've, like, I've learned so much along the way. Yeah, it's like, it's. It was the catalyst that kind of got me into things.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Couple of things. Not everyone's like you. Number two, you're incentivized to seek out the information because you have a podcast and you're going to bring all kinds of different guests on. So there. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you just said. Right. You got. You got hooked by something. You investigated further, found that the thing that hooked you was not true, and then, you know, maybe found some passion for something, and now maybe you'll listen to more legitimate sources of information. The overwhelming majority of the populace that is tuning into these podcasts does not have that level of self reflection, that level of intellectual responsibility. So we are seeing science denial becoming more and more mainstream, and it's largely the podcast space, not experience exclusively, but largely the podcast space that is responsible for that. So I, again, that's why I'm here. I commend you for. For doing that. And I want to help and be part of that. Right. Help in whatever tiny way I can to steer the podcasting space towards that kind of approach to truth, you know.

[Danny Jones]

What is your take on UFOs?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, this is what I get the request because my viewers know that I debunked everything and I haven't done this one yet. What I. Because it's such a hornet's nest, Right. The pseudoarchae thing is a hornet's nest. And eventually I was like, it, I'm gonna poke this hornet nest. And it just. All the bees came at me, but now I'm going down the roster one BY1.

[Danny Jones]

The UFO1 is a hall of mirrors.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. To answer your question very briefly, I don't buy any of it. I don't think aliens have ever been here. I. All of it is to me, but. Yeah, but I have not yet begun the process of digging deeply into it and talking to a lot of people and reading a lot of stuff. Everybody's like, dude, Bob Lazar on Joe Rogan. You got to do debunk this guy. And I'm like, I have my little list of like what I'm doing right now. And I'm like, dude, I'm like six debunks deep. Like, I don't.

[Danny Jones]

There's factions inside the UFO community that war against each other.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's just so like I. I'm on purpose delaying it. Like, I don't feel like doing it yet.

[Danny Jones]

It's so much, bro. It'll take up so much of your time. Yeah, but you also learn a lot. It's fun topic. What, what, what has been like the. Has there any be anything that you've seen or listen to that has been like something that's been like more compelling than others that you've. That you maybe would consider? Like, what about the New York Times article that came out in 2014 about the Tic Tac UFOs that the Navy pilots were seeing?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, a lot of it. I mean, and it's lent credence by being in those publications, but all it

[Danny Jones]

takes is the same publication that sold us the Iraq war.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Sure, exactly. So. So is it more credence or not? You know, what, what is the. What is the most motive of the American government in having Senate hearings about these? Like, what is happening? Like, why are we doing this? No, I think that I just looked at some videos of people recreating that. You know, there's like a transparency on a window and they go like that really fast. And I don't know. Mick west is a great guy to have on. If you want somebody that'll debunk all this stuff for you. He's kind of the premier UAP debunker guy. I just haven't. It's just I'm dealing with like. Like I started with flat Earthers, got bored of that really fast. Then creating creationism and anti vax. Like the. Like, there are certain spheres that I. Like you. I could spend my entire life debunking creationists. Or like, I could spend my entire life debunking one thing. There's just so many charlatans in there. So I choose to spread myself very thin. I've become a generalist at this point, and I really go after as much as I can. Whatever I think is very damaging to the public at any given time. But I just can't. I can't do it all. Like there's.

[Danny Jones]

Can you explain to me creating creationists? I'm not familiar with this one. I mean, I'm generally kind of vaguely familiar with it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But I mean, God made all the life exactly as God. You know, I mean, biblical creationists are like, you know, Adam and Eve and you know, you have young earth creationists that are like, the earth is 6,000 years old and God went poof. And here's all the animals and the humans, here's Adam and Eve and whatever. Then there's creationists that try to be slightly more compatible with science. So you have like old age, old earth creationists that are like, well, I think that genesis as an element of allegory in a day can be million years, you know, whatever it is. But ultimately all of it is science denial. And then it is weaponized science denial. When you have Christian propaganda mills. One of them is called the discovery institute that I've been. That I am well known for, for debunking quite voraciously a Christian propaganda mill.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, what are, what. What are they actually? Like, is it a website or like a podcast?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, it's an institute in Seattle and it's very well funded by Christian nationalists. And they try to appear as academic as possible like it's a think tank or like they actually do research, which of course they don't. And it is populated by people who have at one point been legitimate academics, but now they are. You know, they might have a PhD in something tangential to what they're talking about, but their entire job is to go through the primary scientific literature in biology, anthropology, you know, any number of fields, distort it like crazy and try to convince the public that there's a debate between evolution and creation happening in the zeitgeist. And you know, within the scientific community, here's these scholars that. That are dubious of evolution. It's all just a bunch of. It's an attempt to erode the separation of church and state by. By planting doubt in science such that religion ought to be taught in public science classes in school along alongside legitimate science. And then from there you go, you know, it's handmaid's tale stuff, dude.

[Danny Jones]

One of the craziest things to me is this marriage of this like this new surge of Christian nationalism in the military and it's tied to Israel. That's freaky to me. And I watched a couple documentary. I watched a vice, an old vice documentary about like the. The evangelical lobby in the U. S Which is also, I think, bigger than The, The Jewish lobby or the Israel lobby.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, they're. I mean, there's a lot of overlap,

[Danny Jones]

but they're all tied in. They're all the same thing. Right. Because the, the Jewish lobby or the Israel lobby has like, made them a part of them, their team somehow. And they're all advocating for the same thing for, like this messianic age in, in Israel and like, to bring the diaspora back to Israel and to control the United States.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right. And it's certainly what they're doing. And it's, and it's, it's hard to decipher how much of it is. Is rhetoric to entrance a highly religious general public versus what they're actually doing. I mean, it's scarily. I think maybe they really do believe all that.

[Danny Jones]

I think some of them do. I think so. I mean, there's clearly some of them that don't, but I think there's a huge majority of them who do.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But it's very clear. I mean, you have a guy like Ted Cruz that'll just outright admit, like, I'm. The purpose is to protect Israel. It's like, what do you. This is like sedition. Like, this.

[Danny Jones]

I believe that was real when I was listening to it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

You have American politicians admitted we have to protect Israel, serve Israel.

[Danny Jones]

One issue. That's why he got into Congress.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Was to push the goals of Israel. Like, how is that. How. How is that real? Dude, I don't, I don't get it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. So, yeah, the history.

[Danny Jones]

And did you see the one that Tucker did with Mike Huckabee?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. They can have it all, which by the way, they are doing right now. They're using the Iran war to distract us while they annex southern Lebanon on million people displaced. That. That is Israel now. And Gaza. I mean, Gaza is a foregone conclusion. That is Israel. And you know, Trump will get his hotel on the New Riviera.

[Danny Jones]

There was a new thing that came out this morning. Let me text it to you real quick, Steve, so we can pull it up. This was, I guess, I think this was put out by the Israeli government. This is a tweet I'm forwarding to you. And they listed. I don't know if you saw this. They listed the top, like 20 anti semites in the US ass.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm not top 20, but I'm on that list. I was anti Semite of the week. And.

[Danny Jones]

Were you really?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anti Semite of The year was Ms. Rachel.

[Danny Jones]

Who put you. I saw that. Ms. Rachel, of all people.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Way to Tank your credibility by going after Ms. Rachel, the sweetest angel. Idiot. I mean, they just. I think that the. The problem is that. Not the problem. The good thing is that public opinion.

[Danny Jones]

Dan Bian is number one anti Semitic influencer.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, yeah, he's talks a lot about Israel. I mean, he said, say what you

[Danny Jones]

want about him, but he posted a tweet that said. He said, I am not. He goes, I'm not for a two state solution. He says, Palestine should be all of Israel.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. And I agree with him. I don't like it. Shouldn't be a controversial statement, you know. Yeah, you.

[Danny Jones]

You can look at. Look who's number two.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Number two is Greta Thunberg. Well, of course, just any. Any activist must be smeared.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I got to stop anti. Stop and stop. Antisemitism.org is an organization that tries to ruin the lives of anybody who speaks up for Palestine. Speak if you're.

[Danny Jones]

I didn't know you talked about this a lot, so.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I didn't for a long time because I make science content. But it creeps in right. When you're talking about the Trump administration or whatever administration's in power. I mean. And then, you know, obviously it just, it crept in in certain ways. And then now my viewers know that I'm, you know, staunchly.

[Danny Jones]

What is. Guys on the right. Sorry to interrupt you. Dude, it's okay to have. What is that? Is that real? Poland MP Conrad Berkowitz openly called Israel the new Third Reich.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No, Hinkle is.

[Danny Jones]

Is that a real picture? Did he really hold that flag up like that?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I think his. Hinkle is a. Is a. Not a reliable source of information.

[Danny Jones]

So. So copy and paste Poland MP Conrad, that name. Copy and paste that into the search on it. Screenshot.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I don't know, but no, I, I also, what I was doing is right after October 7th on Twitter, I was voraciously combating Zionist propaganda because in. In the beginning of the. In the beginning of this, you know, what is still ongoing, the ongoing genocide, there was just this unbelievable wave of propaganda. I don't know if you remember when they were first bombing all the hospitals and everything. It was just like, Hamas is there. Hamas is there. No, they're just bombing hospitals. And they would go, you know, there was. Al Shifa hospital was supposed to be. They had this, this, this cgi. Like, it's the ultimate Hamas base underground. All these things. They go in there. They delay it for like five hours. They go in, there's like a couple of guns over there. There's a they say, here's a list of terrorists. It was a calendar. Like, it was like just the most embarrassing. Like the propaganda was so embarrassing that like even like CNN stopped running Israeli propaganda. Like they were just. The media landscape was starting to like jump ship a little bit. And so you just had all of these influencers on Twitter that were just non stop 247 pushing this propaganda to kind of like massage like manufacture consent for genocide. And I mean it, it did largely backfire just because of how many people, how many people you like. It's. If you really want to see it, you'll see it. You'll go and you'll follow Gazan journalists and you'll see the carnage and you'll see what's really happening. And so I was really, for the first like four months of the, of the conflict, I was spending way too much time and like losing my mind and kind of crying every day of just like, you know, combating this stuff. And so they kind of dogpiled me, dogpiled on me and got my account terminated and on.

[Danny Jones]

On what?

[Professor Dave Explains]

On Twitter. Twitter, yeah. And so that's how I got stomp the, the anti Semite of the week. I was along.

[Danny Jones]

Congratulations.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, that's good. Alongside just what they would do. It's. It's an organization that any like, especially if you were like a medical professional, they would dox the hell out of you. Call your place of employment practice pressure so much fire them and. Yeah, yeah, very similar. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

See that, that's the most, that's the most insane thing is how the United. Or how the Israeli government is trying to box in all Jewish people into their government narrative and trying to say anyone that criticizes the Israeli government is criticizing Jews. Right, right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's like, it's a brilliant.

[Danny Jones]

That's like associating me and you with Dick Cheney and George Bush.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. It's a, it's a brilliant tactic and kind of the only tactic they had available to them. But it is backfired spectacularly. The word anti Semitism doesn't even mean anything more because. Which is a shame because anti Semitism does exist.

[Danny Jones]

Sure.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But now when somebody says that word, you have to go, do you mean anti Semitism or anti Semitism? Right. What do you mean? Because I'm an anti Semite. Because I protest genocide. Right. So.

[Danny Jones]

Right, because you're against killing little innocent little girls.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Killing babies. Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

So what is this the video Steve, the MP of Poland?

[Professor Dave Explains]

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[Danny Jones]

7 hours ago. Yeah, Polish MP sparks fury after displaying Israel flag with the hack in Parliament. Okay, this is in the Polish Third Reich and its flag should look exactly like this. Israel's attacks in the Middle east are already being felt by Poles through fuel prices. But how are they felt by children whose deaths already numbered dozens of times more than during the entire war in Ukraine? Well, like this. Jews are using a banned phosphorus bomb that consumes oxygen from the air and leads to death by suffocation. Moreover, the smoke from this bomb enters the lungs and burns them from the inside. They suffocate and burn from the inside at the same time. Same time. Tens of thousands of women and children. But if a child is lucky enough not to suffocate, White phosphorus sticks to the cheek or to the hand and burns through the tissue down to the bone. It cannot be extinct. Did he really hold up that flag? Cheek is cut off and the hand is amputated. Israel is committing genocide before.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's an aptarion.

[Danny Jones]

Netanyahu who? And Israel. They are Hitler.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Exactly. There's really no difference. But yeah, it's war crimes all day and the endless victim complex, you know?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, man, it's insane, dude. But, and I, like I said earlier, I think this is an interesting topic because it's the one thing I think can unify everybody. And it is unifying, especially young people in America right now. I think they, they are all aware of this insane corruption of Israel, Israeli influence in the United States government with people like Ted Cruz and all this. And you know, shockingly enough, you know, we have this, this establishment media right wing personality, Tucker Carlson, who's doing the biggest job of exposing all of it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy. I don't know exactly what motivated Tucker to like be so. Because on every other topic it's just non stop garbage out of his mouth.

[Danny Jones]

But it's, well, he's a, he's a championing hardcore Christian. Yeah, but he, he says, he says, I don't believe in having a theocracy. He believes in separation of church and state. I mean, he looks at most things through a Christian lens, which is whatever, more power to him. But you know, he, he does call out his own. Like he's literally like he's apologized and said that he was wrong about selling the Iran war. He believed everything. He believed all the propaganda and sold it on Fox, the whole Iran war until he said he went there in 2003 and saw what was going on and he's like, oh my God, this is completely and utter. And then he stopped doing it and he started going against the narrative on that. So I don't know. Yeah, to me, I mean, it seems like he's being very genuine because what he's doing is like, I think it's uniting more Americans than it's dividing. I think the, it's the, I mean Fox and CNNs are doing the most dividing and it's only really effective on the older, the boomers.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, the right wing is largely flipping. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Like the next president. The next president's not going to be able to run, run without addressing this. I feel like the, the younger generations are going to hold the them accountable. Right. And like, I don't think anyone, I don't even think anyone believes that a president is going to change anything in this country anymore. Like, we've seen so many presidents just do the same things, the same, the same wars.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's probably the single thread that unites all of American foreign policy under every administration since we've been alive or in, or long. Longer. Yeah, I, I don't really know. I, I think that's part of the thing is that everybody can kind of sense this unbelievable corruption and, and, and destruction. And it's very easy to channel that rage and point it at other things.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Not to bring it back to all the grifters. I mean, I want to keep talking about this too, but it's very easy to go, evil power, bad man thing, me, underdog. Listen to me. Right? That's kind of. Because we're all experiencing this. We're all very frustrated. Right. How do we, I stop my tax dollars from going to my government murdering people? I don't like that. I don't, I want it to stop and I don't know how to do it. I don't know what to do. You know, and so that frustration is very easy to channel.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Into other things.

[Danny Jones]

And it, it, it's, I think in no matter what, what part of society you're looking at. I think a pattern that I've recognized that is probably accurate is that psychopaths typically gather around, around the top.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Of anything. They're usually at the top level of most things.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Unfortunately, that is true government. The type of person that, that you have to lust for power to get it in this kind of.

[Danny Jones]

You got to be willing to cut any throat. Any throat to get there.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

To climb that ladder.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. My transitioning into adulthood was, was a bit of a disillusion, disillusioning experience, I think when you, when you come of age and, and reach, realize that who is in power and how unlikely it is to change just by virtue of the power dynamic. And I don't know. I'm a big Mom Donnie fan. Let's keep, let's keep that going. I love Mom Donnie. Who doesn't like Mom Donnie?

[Danny Jones]

You know, a lot of people don't

[Professor Dave Explains]

like Mom Donnie well, for very bad reasons.

[Danny Jones]

You know, him and Trump got along great. I think Trump loved him. Trump was smiling. I've ever seen.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Think that, number one, Trump just wants to everyone to like him. And number two, he's just, you know, can recognize, ain't doing a very good job. Grassroots. Yeah. But it's, it's hard to not recognize the fervor surrounding Momdani and like, want to be, want to like, bask in the, in the fl. In that flame and, and like, try to channel that. So I don't know. I, I, that he, he's. I hope we see more figures like him.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. I'm skeptical of any people that are really young getting into politics like that who speak so confidently and like, maybe he's good, maybe he's not. I don't know a lot about him. I mean, I know like a very high level about it, but there's a guy, there's a guy who's running for the governor of Florida. Fishback is his last name. He's like 30 years old, maybe, and he's an immigrant from Colombia. And like, he's like, the first thing I want to do is I'm going to abolish all foreign ties to Israel. We're not going to take any Israeli money in any parts of the US Government, or else you're out. Or any other part of the Florida government, or you're out.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Got my vote.

[Danny Jones]

And, and his other one is he wants to do an instant moratorium on any immigration. Cut off all immigration, even though he immigrated here from Colombia. And the other one is he wants to do a 50 syntax on only fans because of his religious thing. And like, I have a weird sort

[Professor Dave Explains]

of like, who are just doing like basket weaving or something. They're just like, what about me?

[Danny Jones]

Right, Right. Yeah. Go to Patreon. Sell your ass on Patreon. I just have this. I don't know, I have like an allergic reaction to people who are so young. And there's no way he can have that much experience in the world. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, but like, when I was his age, I was such a fucking moron.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, but how much experience do you need to know that genocide is bad? Not that, you know.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, like, I think that it doesn't. And Trump has proven that you like

[Danny Jones]

that you can be president, Governor of a fucking state. State at that age.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know. I don't know.

[Danny Jones]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I know nothing about this guy. I don't know. First time I've ever hearing about. Just speaking very generally.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I think young people are less likely to be corrupt and are, and, and are more likely to run for legitimate reasons. Just trying to combat corruption because somebody's got to do it. Like America's just continuing in this direction. That is going to. I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, we're, we're becoming more and more authoritarian under Trump, and it's just. I don't know where that leads. And so people need to get. Young people need to get into government and you got to go on a case by case basis. Right. I'm not saying anyone who's under 30 or under 40 is going to be great for the job, but they're less likely to be beholden to special interest. They're less likely to, you know, I don't know. That's how I see it.

[Danny Jones]

What is your take or your view on, on the government. Government surveillance on American citizens.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's terrifying.

[Danny Jones]

So you're not pro that?

[Professor Dave Explains]

No.

[Danny Jones]

Okay, good.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Absolutely not. This. And I do a lot of stuff with Peter, you know, Teal and Palantir. That's where this is coming from. And he is.

[Danny Jones]

So you're, you're, you're a Snowden fan. You're not. You don't think. Snowden.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, I'm a Snowden fan. Okay. And so what I was saying earlier way at the, of. At the beginning of when we were talking about like oligarchy promoted.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Rhetoric. Right. It's all so Teal. Teal pays Eric Weinstein and I imagine probably Brett as well, but like that. That's the angle.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. What does Eric do for Teal? He's like the financial or something for him.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. Managing direct.

[Danny Jones]

Managing direct capital. Interesting.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Eric's job is to go, is to spew Horeshit on podcasts. That, that's what Eric's job is like. Eric's job is to manipulate public perception of.

[Danny Jones]

You think that's his job?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yes, that is his job.

[Danny Jones]

He gets paid to do it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

He's doing it. Yeah. That's what he's doing. That's all he does. He doesn't do anything else.

[Danny Jones]

What do you think about Lex Friedman?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Lex is. He reached out to me once because he wanted me to debate. There's this, this particular creationist chemist that I have kind of taken through the ringer and he wanted us to appear on his show and I was like, okay, yeah, I'll do. And then it kind of fizzled out. I've heard a lot of stuff about just like he has no affiliation with mit. Like that stuff, I don't know, that kind of thing. I mean, yeah, Lex is kind of just platforming Elon Musk and like, you know, a lot of these figures. I, I, I don't know.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, the, the surveillance thing. Yeah, that's, that's one of the most insane things because there's something just came out, I think yesterday where Mike Jones Johnson literally did a 180 on all that stuff where now they're like ushering in all these new surveillance things for like these tech companies where they can actually like surveil us and track the social media stuff and like, I think with that, find out exactly what that was because I remember Glenn Greenwald did an interview with Mike Johnson before he was elected, and he was saying how government surveillance keeps him up at night. He loses sleep over that and that he wants to fight against.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Terrified about it.

[Danny Jones]

Now he's out here fighting, promoting it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

My fear, my fear is, and the thing is that I see us moving this way already. Right. I see like Trump's Gestapo in the streets and things. A situation where you have all of our DNA through Ancestry.com or whatever those things, you have deep fakes, you have AI, you have all of these things. If you have a totalitarian police state such that any dissident can be framed for any crime and be jailed immediately. That's, I feel like that is what certain people want. And I feel like we are inching in that direction.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

And I'm very, very scared of that.

[Danny Jones]

Yes, me too. I think that's certainly what people like Peter Teal want.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yes.

[Danny Jones]

They want to have the ultimate control. And I feel like, I mean, Just based on some of his emails. I mean he had so many goddamn emails with Jeffrey Epstein it's insane. And like looking at some of those and like seeing how communicates and like I don't know how much attention you paid to it but he was like very like there was like a, a 20 paragraph list of all the foods that he could and couldn't eat that was sent to like Jeffrey Epstein and

[Professor Dave Explains]

for their show how often he's there they need to have a special.

[Danny Jones]

He's like a hypochondriac. He's like super paranoid, like hyper, hyper paranoid of everything.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

From, from his own health to external and that, that. Okay, here's the surveillance thing. The FISA surveillance vote sparks fierce debate as Congress splits on warrantless monitoring. Donald Trump says he's working very hard with White House Republicans to expend section extend section 702 without changes. What does that actually mean? When did this get published by the way? Like a day ago. Okay. A controversial law that grants U.S. government sweeping powers for warrantless surveillance is set to ext. Expire next week. Replacing it has inspired fierce debate within the White House and Congress including a scheduled vote. A scheduled vote cancelled the day of. A coalition of progressive Democrats and far right Republicans is pushing for reform on section 702 of the Foreign intelligence Surveillance act. But they face strong bipartisan position from lawmakers advocating for an 818 month renewal with no changes in line with Donald Trump's demands. House GOP leaders delayed the vote on a clean extension of the section 702 on Wednesday after the chamber ruled committee chambers rules committee approved the measure on Tuesday night. So what are they going to do? Go to the bottom, Go down surveillance. Surveillance under section 702 can continue through March 2027 even if Congress does not extend the law by then because it operates through year long certifications approved, blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so there's a fight within Congress whether whether or not to renew this warrantless surveillance on U. S. Citizens. That's crazy.

[Professor Dave Explains]

It's terrifying.

[Danny Jones]

That's crazy. Especially when all the, the people on the, on both sides literally like ran on getting rid of this stuff because nobody wants it.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, well the citizenry certain doesn't doesn't want it. It's about how well you can manipulate people. I mean it, that's why all the rhetoric has to be about and you know, not to bring it back to Zionism but a lot of what is this, this is being used for is to people who speak out against Israel on you know you have people that are, that have valid visas that are being abducted and, and deported and stuff like, based on, and I mean, that's not any like high tech monitoring, but, you know, if this is what they're doing with social media activity, what do you think they're going to be doing with, when they're monitoring text messages and things like that, you know?

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. Look, man, at the end of the day, no matter what our beliefs are, me and you are both American citizens who both have kids in this country and we want our kids to be healthy, safe, to thrive and whatever.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Not drafted into the military.

[Danny Jones]

Not drafted into the military. Not to go die for Israel.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

And to have, to have good lives. And I think that's a huge thing that, that we have in common. And I think it's like super important that any elected officials in the United States or that run the United States government, they shouldn't have dual loyalty to another country. They shouldn't have two passports. They should have one passport. They shouldn't have a get out of jail free card in case everything collapses here.

[Professor Dave Explains]

In fact, they're trying to make it illegal for citizens to be dual citizens.

[Danny Jones]

For citizens to be dual. Oh, oh, for. So, yeah, like we, if you're American, you can't have another.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I'm working on getting my Italian citizenship. That's weird because I, I want that, like, if we get to that totalitarian police state, I'm out of here. You know what I mean? So.

[Danny Jones]

Right, right. Well, that's, I don't know how I feel about that. That's probably not great. But certainly if you're in the government, you shouldn't and you're making the laws in this country and you're dictating how people should live. How people's lives should.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Be run.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I think that it's, what this conflict has done is it just has brought it to the forefront. You now have the vast majority of the public going, why are we sending billions of dollars to Israel every year? Why are we doing this? Right. Why? And it unfortunately, I mean, like, I will give credit where credit is due. Tucker Carlson, like, like, has this very loyal right wing following that traditionally would kind of just go along with, you

[Danny Jones]

know, and I've never seen, I've never seen in my lifetime, for as long as I've been paying attention to politics, I've never seen such a vast amount of people flip on their support for a president. Like, I've seen so many people who supported Trump hardcore in this last election that have done a complete 180 on him.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

Which is, I never saw that on Obama when he started Carpenter at bombing Yemen.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's true. Yeah, yeah. No, I, because it wasn't talked about as much. I mean, if you don't watch Fox News anyway.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Or, but the thing is, you know, they like. Right. The right wing also want endorses that, that foreign policy. So.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There wasn't even that much impetus to, to talk about it. I mean, you could, I, I don't remember, I didn't watch Fox News.

[Danny Jones]

I didn't know. I think it's the combination of all this, this exposure of the Israel conflict and the Israel lobby combined with the Epstein file, which is like the Epstein files is another thing I don't understand. Why aren't people in the street marching and protesting against this shit?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, yeah, they're, they're just relying on, trying to, you know, get the next news cycle, like just desperately move on and, but yeah, with Israel it's, we're not moving on because they're, they're like, it's ongoing. Right. They are now trying to take over Lebanon. They're like, it's just, they're trying to expand. I mean it's very, very obvious what's going on. And you know, I don't know. I, I, I wish. It's just funny because like this now, this is just a soc. Like I don't have any expertise in all of the politics that we've been talking about. I'm passionate about being anti Israel, but you know, I'd love to, to like dig into a particular anti science charlatan or something. You know, be very prepared. But yeah, we should do a debate,

[Danny Jones]

we should set up a debate with someone. What topic do you think you'd be most confident in? In debating?

[Professor Dave Explains]

I mean, well, okay, flat earth, but nobody cares.

[Danny Jones]

Flat earth.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

I have one friend who just always like he's shoving in my face. Every time I see him, he's like, look at this, look at this. This is the map.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, but create. Yeah, it's like, what's the point?

[Danny Jones]

Why do we waste all this money on rockets then? What's the point? It's such a waste of money.

[Professor Dave Explains]

No reason. Yeah. To, to keep the deception alive.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah. That's the dumbest.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I, I've debated a few flat earthers. I, I've debated some creationists. So that's a whole thing. I don't know who I mean. I, it's hard to say. I mean the problem is that anyone that I would debate, it's not really a debate. Right. It's just me doing my best job to expose a charlatan in real time. Because the things that I debate, there's very little debate in with, with scientific topics. Right? There's, there's debate that's going on within the scientific community and, and people publish different papers that, that propose different ideas and then maybe invalidate another idea. And so there's, you know, there's, there's that going on. But when you have, there, when you have these debates in, in the public discourse, it's science versus pseudoscience. That's almost invariably the case. So it's not even anymore about bringing the, the science to the table. It's also about disarming the rhetoric, disarming the tactics of the person that is lying. But I, but I have done that. I, I'm, I'm pretty confrontational and combative, so I do better than most academics in a, in a debate scenario. So, so I do it when I find that it is something that, that I think is going to, you know, push the needle in a direction. If I can show everyone this, this person's a fraud, this person is lying and demonstrate it in real time.

[Danny Jones]

So, yeah, maybe we can set something up like on the whole vaccine topic. But the problem is no one will see it on YouTube.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Well, that's not true. I mean, I, me and Dan Wilson did one with Pierre, Cory and Steve.

[Danny Jones]

That is true.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That is true.

[Danny Jones]

But for some reason you regret it deeply.

[Professor Dave Explains]

But it did occur.

[Danny Jones]

I, I loved that. I loved that. I learned a lot on that. And it's amazing to see, it's amazing to see the push and pull between you guys and see how certain people react. See people, you know, it's really telling when you see somebody lose their cool. Right? And I appreciated that you guys did that. And it was, I agreed with each side at different points and I thought, thought it was very illuminating to see that. I wish more people would see it. But unfortunately on this channel, for some reason there's something happens whenever we do this, the vaccine topic. The videos never go anywhere or they get in trouble. They get flagged for some reason.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That's very fishy because there's a mountain of monetized content both from anti vaxxers and debunkers.

[Danny Jones]

I agree with you.

[Professor Dave Explains]

I agree with you. Do you have like a partner manager at YouTube or.

[Danny Jones]

I have had many partner managers at YouTube.

[Professor Dave Explains]

We kind of. I've cycled through a few. I do have one right now.

[Danny Jones]

So there's two topics that I've. I've been had videos nuked off YouTube for. And it's the UFO topic and then. And then the vaccine topic. And I. I had a phone call with a guy, one of my original partner managers, who had like, put me up to the boss partner manager or whatever about a video I did on UFOs about this guy who's a UFO, allegedly a UFO abductee. And it was like going crazy, crazy viral for the first few weeks. And it was at maybe like 900,000 views by like, I don't know, maybe like seven or maybe like 12 days into it. And I was watching it every day, watching it climb, watching it climb. And then on Christmas Eve, it went from getting like 20,000 views an hour, got throttled to 2 views an hour. And I looked at all the data or whatever and saw that like all of a sudden it was getting no reach. And then I was going on YouTube and time typing in like the name of the guy to see where it was ranking with everything else. And it was always at the top, always at the top, always at the top. That day where it dropped, I would search him, and then I couldn't. I could scroll for days and I would never find it. I could even search Danny Jones podcast, this guy's name. Nothing. I would find History Channel videos. There was even a video that somebody did where they ripped the podcast and did commentary on it. That was coming up. That's like the fifth one down. So I called this guy from YouTube and I was talking to him about it, and he's like, all right, let me at look. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. I don't see any red flags on your account. You didn't. This video did not violate any terms of service.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Right? Yeah.

[Danny Jones]

He goes, I've seen this happen a couple of times. Whenever this happens, it's above my pay grade. It's the floor above me, basically, what he said. So whatever the fuck that means.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah, I mean, the algorithm can turn on a dime, but it's weird that, that the precise. That the search result wouldn't show. It should just be unbiased, matching keywords.

[Danny Jones]

Right.

[Professor Dave Explains]

To pull it up.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, totally.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. I don't know. I've had. I've had some funny stuff like that. I've never had it quite that bad. But it definitely. Yeah, there's stuff that definitely appears to get throttled. And then also sometimes it's a little bit when you violate terms of service. Like actually the first Bart Sibrell one that I did, just because I showed footage of buzz punching him in the face. It got age restricted for that.

[Danny Jones]

Oh, really?

[Professor Dave Explains]

Yeah. Whereas part two, I show the same clip. Like, I actually keep cutting to buzz punching him in the face because it's so funny. And I use it as, like, a palette cleanser in between, like, his talking points. And that one didn't get age restricted, and I show it more times than in the first one. Yeah, I don't know. It's. It's very. It's. Yeah, it's. It is tempting to go conspiratorial with it. And I. And it may or may not be true. I don't really know. I know the algorithm is funny, and not everyone really fully knows how it works, but.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, but I make a living on the problem. It should be transparent how it works. But, you know, end of the day, bro, it was really nice to meet you and talk to you, whether we agree. I think we agree on probably most.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Probably most a lot of things we don't. And I'm sure I could convince you on the rest.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, Right. My goal is to turn. To turn you around at one of my conspiracy theories.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay.

[Danny Jones]

We got to get you in here to debate. We got to get you in here to debate. Who knows? We'll find someone. But my friend Julian Dorey has a great theory that is very relevant to this. It's called the. He calls it the Wawa theory. He lives in New Jersey. New Jersey. He says you go online, you go on Twitter and YouTube, and you find all these people screaming at each other, calling each other names over, you know, what political party they like better. And he goes. Then I walk outside and I go to Wawa, and I see the girl with the nose ring and the purple hair holding the door for the guy with the Vietnam hat. It's not like that in real life, bro. People don't really act like that towards each other. And you gotta go outside and touch grass sometimes.

[Professor Dave Explains]

There's a lot of truth to that. There's a of lot, lot of truth to that. Yeah. But ultimately, the. The direction the government goes depends on voting behavior, and that is influenced by the online side, guys. So a little bit of both, I think.

[Danny Jones]

Yeah, the. The Internet definitely throws fuel on it. Yeah. Thanks again, man. I really appreciate it. Tell people where they can find you all your. All your stuff on social media.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Professor Dave explains.

[Danny Jones]

Perfect.

[Professor Dave Explains]

That'll do it.

[Danny Jones]

Cool. We'll link it all below. We have Patreon questions for him.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Oh, yes, we do.

[Danny Jones]

We have Patreon questions for you. We'll do this after the podcast.

[Professor Dave Explains]

All right?

[Danny Jones]

That's all.

[Professor Dave Explains]

Okay.

[Danny Jones]

Good night, folks.