#395 - “I Watched Them Rig Elections In Real Time” Venezuelan Spy Breaks Silence | Ralph Pezzullo

Summary

Danny Jones Podcast #395
“I Watched Them Rig Elections In Real Time” – Venezuelan Spy Breaks Silence | Ralph Pezzullo
Date: May 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, host Danny Jones sits down with author and investigative journalist Ralph Pezzullo to examine allegations of widespread election fraud linked to Venezuelan intelligence, compromised voting machine companies, and transnational criminal organizations. Pezzullo shares the astonishing story behind his explosive new book, "Stolen Elections: The Takedown of Democracies Worldwide," revealing information from whistleblowers, former intelligence operatives, and cartel insiders. The discussion explores the intersection of global crime, technology, shadow governance, and the subversion of democracy in the U.S. and abroad.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Silenced Book & Whistleblower Origins [00:10 – 09:16]

• Pezzullo describes how his book—originally accepted by Skyhorse Publishing—was abruptly canceled over fears of litigation, despite the publisher’s history with controversial books.

  • "He told me, 'I'm going to get sued and I'm going to lose my business.' That's what he told me." – Pezzullo [09:18]

• The story begins with DEA connections and a Venezuelan source, Martin Rodil, who, along with ex-CIA officer Gary Bernson, uncovers election fraud operations while initially investigating money laundering by the Venezuelan Cartel de los Soles.

• Rodil was a top government whistleblower, formerly working with the DEA and private sector anti-financial-crime efforts.

• Pezzullo is recruited to document their findings after viewing a detailed whistleblower PowerPoint shown to Congressional members.

2. The Suppression of Election Fraud Evidence [09:16 – 12:07]

• Pezzullo alleges that Fox News and others silenced evidence related to Dominion Voting Systems, despite whistleblowers offering Fox's lawyers documentation and inside sources.

  • "They were handing them their defense... The Fox News lawyers turned around and said, 'No thanks.' ...We assume this was a whole operation to scare off all media from touching this subject." – Pezzullo [10:06]

• Following a $757 million Dominion lawsuit settlement, mainstream media is described as chilling all discussion of election interference.

3. How Rigged Elections Work: Venezuela’s Exported Playbook [12:07 – 28:40]

• The original investigation uncovered ties between Venezuelan government actors and the development of election-rigging software (Smartmatic), allegedly created by engineers from Simon Bolivar University at Hugo Chavez’s direction.
• These systems, initially deployed in Venezuela via retrofitted lottery machines (Olivetti), enabled Chavez to win a 2004 constitutional referendum he was projected to lose.
• Over time, the technology was commercialized and spread throughout Latin America, with Cuban, Chinese, and Iranian collaboration, ensuring the election of favorable leftist candidates in multiple countries.
• Smartmatic is alleged to secretly own U.S. voting machine companies via concealed corporate structures. Despite warnings from U.S. embassy officials and Congressional letters, this influence grew unchecked.

4. Penetration into U.S. Elections and Foreign Collusion [28:40 – 41:36]

• Smartmatic (later associated with Dominion and other brands) starts running U.S. elections in the late 2000s, after acquiring U.S. companies and bribing local officials.
• Significant DOJ indictments against Smartmatic in the Philippines for foreign bribery are discussed as reflective of the company’s standard operating procedures.
• USAID’s CEPPs program is cited as funneling U.S. taxpayer dollars to promote electronic voting globally, covering 72 countries, with alleged bipartisan support.

5. Secret Intelligence War Over Disclosure [36:14 – 46:03]

• Pezzullo claims that U.S. intelligence agencies both enable and suppress the exposure of these activities, fearing global blowback versus preserving reputational advantage.
• Donald Trump is depicted as torn between vindicating his own political narrative and managing the international fallout of disclosure.
• Whistleblowers report high-level FBI warnings to “hide this stuff,” suggesting U.S. government complicity or fear.
  • "Nobody wanted to touch it... Members of Congress have been using it [the rigged system], people in both parties." – Pezzullo [19:52]

6. The Mechanisms of Fraud & Money Laundering [41:41 – 50:34]

• Details are given about the cartel “executive suite”—the Venezuelan Cartel de los Soles—overseeing both global drug trafficking and the manipulation of election software.
• Bribes to American officials, high-level law firm retention, and embedded influence in U.S. institutions including audit firms and media are described.
• The source code for Smartmatic’s software is said to remain in a Venezuelan national bank vault.
• The network is alleged to run cocaine through state apparatus, leveraging legitimate oil shipments and money laundering via Venezuela’s state oil company.

7. U.S. and Shadow Intelligence Responses [52:29 – 66:36]

• “Official” vs. “shadow” CIA distinctions are made, referencing factions and the concept of the “deep state.”
• Pezzullo recounts recruitment of spies within the U.S. government, including the Manuel Rocha case—an NSC and State Department official outed as a Cuban asset by the whistleblower team.
• Infiltration is outlined as both an economic and psychological campaign in line with Chinese “unrestricted warfare”: addiction, propaganda, and systemic corrosion.

8. Election Engineering in the U.S.—Methods and Effects [61:00 – 65:52]

• The alleged methods for U.S. election theft include 14 built-in software “backdoors,” manipulation of voter rolls, internet-connected machines, and overseas tabulation (specifically on Huawei servers in Serbia).

  • "There are 14 ways to manipulate an election... They plan a year ahead of time." – Pezzullo [61:57]
  • "We are voting on Chinese-made machines with Venezuelan software installed on them." – [64:41]

• Major claims: both Democratic and Republican operatives have bought manipulated results in key swing districts.

9. Societal Impact & Complicity of U.S. Elites [66:36 – 87:48]

• Pezzullo laments that top officials and agencies, despite having his book and direct evidence, refuse to act, prioritizing political risk over public interest.
• The conversation broadens to discuss American business offshoring, cultural decay, economic decline in California, and elite disregard for the working class.

10. Contemporary and Local Manifestations [89:16 – 95:01]

• Los Angeles mayoral races and county elections are specifically alleged to be compromised by Smartmatic machines, with outcomes diverging from visible support.
• Pezzullo claims research groups and election auditors are owned or influenced by foreign interests, leading to skewed results and media narratives.

11. Pushback, Verification, and Whistleblower Protections [98:20 – 100:14]

• The book’s claims have received only technical nitpicking, not substantive debunking, according to Pezzullo.
• He asserts the Justice Department and FBI have independently verified the whistleblower testimony and supporting documentation, also corroborated by defectors from the Venezuelan regime.
• Hugo Carvajal, former Venezuelan intelligence chief, has allegedly confirmed real-time election-rigging oversight.

12. U.S. Politics, Presidential Knowledge, and Ongoing Questions [100:14 – End]

• Claims are made (with both seriousness and some skepticism) that U.S. presidential campaigns—especially Obama and Biden—benefited from or were aware of the manipulation, citing Biden’s infamous “voter fraud organization” slip.
  • “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” – Joe Biden (referenced at [101:49], original context disputed)
• The episode concludes on speculation about whether Venezuela’s Maduro will be compelled to confess on trial, and what impact these revelations may have on the future of American democracy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I had a monitor on my desk that was connected to Smartmatic, which showed in real time, the results changing. I could watch it." – Hugo Carvajal, as quoted by Pezzullo [98:32]
• “They are actual generals with planes and military hardware that they can use and legitimate networks that they can use. So, yeah, they have tremendous power.” – Pezzullo on Cartel de los Soles [50:19]
• "We're voting on Chinese-made machines with Venezuelan software." – Pezzullo [64:41]
• “I don’t blame China for doing this. If I’m a foreign country, that’s my job, is to subvert my enemies… I blame the people here.” – Danny Jones [86:07]
• “Unless there’s a huge initiative to reveal all this stuff and force Congress and the executive to come to terms with it, it’s not going to happen.” – Pezzullo [66:36]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:10 — Book censorship & introduction to whistleblowers
• 09:16 — Why the book was suppressed; Fox News and the Dominion settlement
• 12:07 — Venezuelan election software: origins and spread
• 28:42 — Infiltration into U.S. elections; corporate structures to avoid detection
• 34:35 — USAID, CEPPs, and U.S. promotion of questionable election tech abroad
• 36:14 — U.S. intelligence agency knowledge and response
• 41:36 — The Cartel de los Soles as an election and drug trafficking super-network
• 50:19 — Cartel and foreign state actors: hierarchy and methodology
• 61:00 — Software backdoors, manipulation methods, and tabulation geography
• 65:16 — U.S. intelligence factionalism, “deep state,” and systemic corruption
• 98:32 — Hugo Carvajal’s testimony and real-time election rigging
• 101:49 — Biden’s “voter fraud organization” remark and context
• 104:19 — Trend Del Agua and cartel-created gangs crossing U.S. borders
• 106:13 — Potential for public confessions, future investigations

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Conclusion

Pezzullo’s interview is an intricate, controversial exploration of the alleged global election theft apparatus, linking government corruption, cartel activity, technology, and intelligence operations across the Americas and beyond. Central to the episode are claims of suppressed media narratives, bipartisan complicity, and institutional indifference. The combination of whistleblower accounts, intelligence operations, and first-hand sources makes this a dense—and hotly debated—presentation, with open questions about evidence, verification, and future accountability.

For more, check out "Stolen Elections: The Takedown of Democracies Worldwide" by Ralph Pezzullo—available on Amazon.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Book. Is this one about stolen elections?

[B]

Yes. That I had to self publish because that was going to be done at a Skyhorse. I signed a deal with them, and at the last minute, after it was typecast typeset everything, they put the kabos on it.

[A]

Skyhorse did. They're the ones that published all the. All the RFK Junior books and all that.

[B]

Right. I know that's.

[A]

We had the guy on here, I think.

[B]

Wow. Tony Lyons.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, I know him. I know Tony. I. I knew him.

[A]

Well, why would they. Why would they put the kabos on it?

[B]

I don't know. He. He just. He was. I called him up when I first heard about it. If you want to. If you want to record this.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We're wrong. Are we wrong?

[B]

Oh, you're wrong.

[A]

Oh, we're wrong.

[B]

Go. So what happened is in. I guess it was like March or April of 2004. I had a friend staying with me who was. He is the guy who set up the sting for the DEA that got Victor Boot, trapped him in Thailand. Now, Victor Boot is the.

[A]

Oh, I know all about Victor Boot.

[B]

Yeah. So this is the guy. This is one of the guys who set up this special team and this operation to draw him. They were trying to get him out of Russia so that they could arrest him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they finally convinced him.

[A]

They sent a rendition team in there to kidnap him. Right?

[B]

Yeah. And so they went to. No, they lured him to Thailand, saying that they were setting up. It was an arms deal for the farc Colombian rebel group, and that they were. Or they wanted to order all these Stinger missiles and all this heavy duty stuff. And Victor agree to meet them outside the. The come outside of Russia. But it was. It was very difficult to arrange it because there were certain countries he didn't want to go to. He didn't trust the security forces there and so on. So they finally settled on Thailand and they got him there and they arrested him. And this is the guy who helped set up the sting. So he was in la, he was talking to me about doing something, and he. One day at lunch, he goes, hey, I want you to meet our. Our best source that we ever had at DEA sod, which is their special operations division. And he goes, this guy is, like, amazing. He's incredible. And he's the most intelligent person, interesting person I've ever met. I said, sure, love to meet him. So we go out to lunch, and it's a gentleman named Martin Rodil. He's Venezuelan. And I ask him, what are you Working on. Are you still working with dea? And he goes, no, for the last couple years, I've been working on election fraud. And of course my ears perked up and I said, you know, what's that about? Right. And he goes, what are you doing tomorrow? Because I'm staying out in Malibu, and if you come out there, I'll show you all the four hour presentation that we put together that we're showing members of Congress. So I go out there, I see,

[A]

who is this guy working for again?

[B]

He is a whistleblower. Government whistleblower.

[A]

For what part of the government was

[B]

he in at this point? He's private. There's a program through the Treasury Department where you can become an independent whistle government whistleblower. The purpose is to recover funds that have been obtained illegally, you know, drug cartels mostly, and recover them and find out where they're being stashed and the government seizes those assets.

[A]

Yeah. My question is, like, what's this guy's background?

[B]

His particular background is that he's a Venezuelan. He was. He worked in, like, different banks, and he became involved in international crime, financial crimes. Right. And he then he. He was. He worked for the DEA for years.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then he partnered up with another whistleblower who I'll tell you about in a minute.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

And they started working together. So he shows me this is a PowerPoint presentation, absolutely super detailed. And I'm like, oh, my God. I mean, this is it. This is what everybody needs to see.

[A]

What year is this?

[B]

This is 2004. In the spring of 2004. And this needs to get released before the election. Right. Because we're building up to the election, the campaign of Kamala Harris versus Trump. And he's like. I said, what do you want me to do? I'll help you any way you want. And he goes, we want you to write a book.

[A]

It was gearing up to the 2006 election, right? No, I thought you said 2004.

[B]

I'm sorry, 20, 24. Maybe I did.

[A]

I thought you said 2004.

[B]

Maybe I did. Possible. And so I said, let me. He goes, yeah, we want you to write a book. And I'm like, well, who's we? Are you working with a team? And he goes, I'm working with my partner, Gary Bernson. Well, Gary Bernson is an ex CIA officer who I had written a book with 20 years ago called Jawbreaker. He was the guy who organized the teams after 911 and led the teams that went into Afghanistan to set it up for the Military, because when they. The day after 9, 11, when President Bush called all his advisors together, he said, I want to go into Afghanistan. The Taliban has been protecting Al Qaeda and I've asked them to turn them over, and they're not doing it, so let's go in and punish them. And Donald Rumfeld, who was the Secretary of defense at the time, said, Mr. President, Afghanistan is a difficult country. The Soviets got their butts kicked there and the British got their butts kicked there. We need at least three months to prepare. The President Bush wanted to do something right away. So George Tenet, who was the head of the CIA at the time, he went, you know, Mr. President, we've had teams in there before working with the Afghan resistance, the Northern alliance, so maybe we can put together something and go in there and kind of prepare the ground. I don't know if it will succeed. And the President said, yeah, let's do it. So they brought this guy in, Gary Bernson, who at the time was the station chief in Uruguay, and he had been in Afghanistan. He had met Shah Massoud, who was the head of the Northern alliance. And he's just like a force of nature type of guy. Like, if you said, hey, Gary, I need you to move this whole studio across the street. You got a month, and I don't care what, what you have to do to do it. He would do it. You know, he would break all kinds of permits and piss all kinds of people off, but he would get it done. I mean, he's like, I like him. You'd love this guy. You love him. So anyway, he told me, I'm working with Gary, and I'm like, you know, that's. Gary didn't approach me, but this is great. So I got on the phone with Gary and he's like, yeah, come down to Tampa and I'll. I'll clue you in on everything, and so on and so forth. So immediately I called up, I figured, who's going to publish this book? And I thought of Tony, because I've done books with him in the past, right? So I called him up and I gave him a one sentence description of what it was. And he went, I'm in, I'm in. I just want to see the presentation. So Martine flew to New York. It was actually the day of the Butler assassination attempt. Oh, wow. He comes out of the meeting. It was Tony who told me about the attempt at Butler. Did you hear what. I think it was a Saturday or something. He said, did you hear what happened today? And I went no. And he told me, I was like, oh my God. And then he says, Tony sees it and he's blown away like I was. And he's like, oh my God, this is gonna be such an important book. You got to start working on this now. We got to get this out before the election. And I'm like, Tony, I've got like six weeks. Just start cranking and we'll start preparing the COVID so on and so forth. So I get it in, I get it in on time. I think, you know, five, six weeks later, everything set. And then last week, the week before, it's supposed to come out. Supposed to come out, beginning of October. Can't do it.

[A]

What was the, what was the explanation?

[B]

His explanation is that we're going to get sued and I'm going to lose my business. That's what he told me.

[A]

That's possible. He could have been threatened by some high level people.

[B]

He was threatened by some high level people. I mean, the, the history here is that Fox News had been sued by Dominion, which is one of the companies that was part of this operation. And they had lost 700, settled for $757 million dollars.

[A]

This was right when Tucker Carlson was kicked out, right?

[B]

That's right. And Tucker Carlson was kicked out as a result. But what I knew through Gary and Martine is that they had gone to the lawyers of Fox News and they had offered to show them the presentation that I had seen and hand over all the evidence, including 20 engineers that they had recruited within the criminal conspiracy that came out of Venezuela. So they had their, that basically they were handing them their defense like, you'll beat these guys because of the evidence that we have. And the Fox News lawyers turned around and said, no thanks. Which was what,

[A]

why they would rather pay out a $700 million settlement.

[B]

Yes, yes. Now, the purpose of that, we assume is that this was a whole operation to scare off all media, including, you know, from touching this subject. But we've also learned that that money probably didn't come from Fox News. Right. It came from somewhere else. And we're working with a lawyer in the White House, was trying to track down where that money came from. But. It has effectively silenced the media from touching the subject of election interference, which is what could be more important to our, preserving our, protecting our democracy. And, you know, you know, the, the whole idea of government by the people, for the people, and to just ignore it the way they have has been, you know, alarming to say.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

It is.

[A]

That's an Insane conspiracy, if that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I remember when all this started happening and I started hearing all about this Dominion thing, the voting machines, and I was just like, get the out of here.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You're gonna tell me Venezuela is with our elections.

[B]

Yeah, like, it's true.

[A]

Shut up. That's crazy.

[B]

It is.

[A]

So.

[B]

So I could take you through the whole.

[A]

Take me through the whole thing, start to finish, because this is. This is. This is. This is blowing my mind. So. So how did it start? Like, what did he show you that for? What was the first thing you saw that. That really, like, convinced you of this?

[B]

Okay, so let me tell you these guys, you know, my first question is, why were you in Venezuela? Why were you even investigating in Venezuela? And they were basically, told me there's an organization called the Cartel de los Solas, you probably heard of it, and they are basically, they control all drug trafficking in the Western hemisphere. And they are basically a criminal arm of the Maduro Chavez regime. So they're actually members of the government, generals mostly, who run drug trafficking. And they were investigating that organization and recruiting what they do. They're very professional investigators. So what they do is they always try to recruit people within the criminal group. Right. So what they had. They had developed sources within the Cartel de Los Solis to lead them to the money laundering and the crimes that they were committing. And where was this money? What banks were you depositing it so that we can recover or get the US Government to recover it? The Treasury Department. Yeah. And these sources were telling them, oh, yeah, we can tell you about this. We can tell you about this bank and so on and so forth. And we can also tell you about the election, the stealing of elections, the system that they have. And they were like, what? They weren't interested at first, but after the 2020 elections.

[A]

So who was recruiting the sources inside the cartel? Cartel de la.

[B]

Gary and Martin, the two whistleblowers.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Okay. So they were. They had these guys already that were. That were telling. Giving them information.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And. And they didn't really pay attention until the 2020 election.

[A]

And this is when he was working in the dea. He was doing this.

[B]

This is when he was. I don't know exact timing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it was when. I think it was after he. He was working for the dea. He wasn't making any money, basically, not much. And he decided, I can go off on my own and, you know, recover funds for the government, because I'm an expert at this. Let me hook up with.

[A]

So it's Like a private contractor.

[B]

They're like private contractors. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, at the, during the, after the 2020 election, when we were all kind of like, what the hell just happened? You know, I mean, I was one of those people. It was like, you know, how did Biden win by more than, you know, the highest vote total in history, and he didn't leave his basement. And when you saw him at a campaign stop, there were 15 people there. It just doesn't make sense. So, Mark, apparently they were driving in D.C. and Gary told Martine, maybe we should look into this. And Martine was like, oh, I know all about it, because a lot of these sources have turned over. A lot of the sources we recruited within the cartel de Los Solis have already told me that they were involved with these companies, smartmatic and Dominion, and they shifted. So they decided, let's, let's investigate that. And they, they funded the whole investigation on their own. They went to the Trump administration initially and said, we think we have something here. And they spoke to Rudolph Giuliani and, oh, gosh, what's her name? The woman who was running his campaign. Anyway, it'll come to me. And they told him about this, but they said, don't. Sidney Powell. Sidney Powell, right. They told him about this. They said, don't release it yet because we haven't tied all the pieces together yet. This is what we're hearing, but we haven't really dug in. We need to recruit people within the election area particularly, and we haven't done that yet. It's going to take us a couple years. But the Trump administration was under such pressure to release information that would make people question the results of the 2020 election that Sidney Powell famously at a news conference said, we have the Kraken. We're going to release the Kraken. The Kraken she was talking about was this. And they went out and they started to talk about it and they couldn't back it up. And so it was all accusations but very little evidence. And Gary and Martine at that point moved away from the campaign and just started to launch the investigation on their own. After three years, they had gathered all the evidence that they showed me and they had taken it to the FBI, they had taken it to members of Congress, and nobody was willing to pursue it. In fact, the FBI, high up ranked officer, and the FBI that they took it to and showed the evidence to basically said, you guys better hide this stuff. I would advise you get out of the country or you're going to be arrested. And so they moved all the engineers that they had recruited, the 20 sources that they had recruited, they moved them to another country. They set up a computer lab there so they could continue their work and their families there so that they were protected. And they stayed there for, you know, three years. And Patrick Byrne helped fund that because it, you know, it was obviously expensive to.

[A]

Who is that?

[B]

Patrick Burn is the head of, he owns the company overstock.com.

[A]

oh really?

[B]

Yeah. So he has, he has money.

[A]

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[B]

Hardly anybody there had been.

[A]

So why do you think the head of the FBI or the top level of the FBI would tell you?

[B]

Nobody wanted to touch it. Members of Congress have been using it, people in both parties have been using it and there's a lot of collusion in Washington.

[A]

Members of Congress have been using this software.

[B]

Yes. Or been paying. Because as the engineers, some of the engineers explained to me, if you're a candidate and you want to steal an election, you come to them, you come to Smartmatic or Dominion and you make a deal. And it's a Money deal, it's that simple. And they can guarantee that you will win your particular district, because voting in our country is all, is all done at the district level and run at the district level. And there are something like 3,000 election districts in the United States, but there are only certain key ones that are usually if you determine the result of a presidential, a national election or even a statewide election. And they know what they are. So basically, let me, I'll explain how the system started. Is that, yes, back in 2020, Hugo Chavez was elected in, in 1998, took power in 1999, and was, you know, like a populist and a reformer. Once he won the election, he started to more express his socialist views and he started so nationalizing key industries in Venezuela and so on and so forth, and the economy started to crash. By 2003, there was a, there was a provision in the, in the Venezuelan Constitution that if enough people were, you could call for a referendum if you got enough signatures. And the opposition was able to get enough signatures. So there was gonna be a referendum held in 2004. And Hugo Chavez had almost like a father son relationship with Fidel Castro, right? He was, because of circumstances in his own life, he wasn't close to his own father, was sort of rejected by his father. And Fidel took advantage of this and would send a plane to Caracas every day with instructions. So he was that close. So leading up to the referendum, Hugo Chavez and his intelligence service, which is very, very good, they went to Hugo Chavez and said, hey, dude, you're going to lose. The polls are showing you're going to lose this referendum and we don't want you to lose. We want you to be in control of. Because the Cuban economy was depending on Venezuela for the cheap oil, right? And they had had that before, during this, from the Soviets, during the Soviet Union. But when the Soviet Union fell, they, they had to find another source and they found Hugo Chavez and they had a great deal going. So they were like, dude, you lose. We don't want you to lose this election. And Hugo Chavez was kind of like, what do I do? What do I do? Well, there's a new technology, it's called a voting machine software that if you install it into and you have your citizens vote on these machines, you can manipulate that technology to switch votes, right? So we can guarantee that you win. So Hugo Chavez was kind of like, okay, I'm all in. How do we do this? They recruited three engineers from Simon Bolivar University who were expert computer engineers. Simon Bolivar is their equivalent of mit, very highly advanced technically. And these three guys had already established a company in Boca Raton. They were doing touchscreen banking. And they called these guys in and they were like, can you develop a software that will guarantee that we win the election? And they said, yeah, we think so. We're not sure, but we'll give it a try. So they hired them and these guys went off, they developed the software and they installed it. They didn't have voting machines then in Venezuela, so they installed it in Olivetti Touch screen lottery machines and using that.

[A]

Lottery machines?

[B]

Yes, lottery machines. So if you wanted to buy a lottery ticket, you could go to bodega and they'd have one of these machines and you could enter your name and stuff? Yeah, yeah. So they, they ran the 2004 referendum in Venezuela on those machines and they stole the result for Hugo Chavez. He was very pleased, as was Fidel Castro, and gave these guys an extra $200,000 more to perfect this system. Use it, get real voting machines, and let's try it out. Not only we'll use it in Venezuela in the future, but let's try it out in other countries. So throughout the early 2000s, there were a number of elections in Latin America where leftist candidates surprisingly won presidential elections. Example, Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua, Correa in Ecuador, the Kirchners in Argentina. And for Fidel Castro, this is a dream come true, Right. He had spent most of the 70s and the late 60s trying to develop guerrilla movements in these countries to try to overthrow the government. And now all he had to do was install election machines, get them to buy into this system of running their elections electronically and manipulate the result.

[A]

So who was in control of all the election machines in each different South American country?

[B]

It was all run through a company called smartmatic, which was owned by the Venezuelan government. So that in any computer system there's a source code, right? Like you have an Apple computer, I have an Apple computer. If we need to get it fixed, we go to the Apple Store. The Apple Store has the source code, which is sort of the operating operating system of the computer. Right? We don't own it, they do. We don't even know what it is. And so that that system was, was written in Venezuela and is still stored in Venezuela in, in the national bank, in a vault in the national bank there.

[A]

So they would go to these other countries with this software, just pitching it as like a. As like a service, like just to make money. Doesn't matter. They didn' care of which side would win.

[B]

Well, they did, but they didn't, they didn't let on to that. They basically would pitch these other countries and go, hey, we have a, you know, elections are always messy. This is, this is a way to, you know, make it all electronic. Nobody can mess with it. It's like more technologically advanced.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so they all would, would buy into it, not not knowing what the, what the. Not understanding technology and understanding that any digital system can be hacked into. They weren't that, that sophisticated. So they bought into it and these seemed like legitimate companies and the more they, the more they, they ran elections, the more, you know, reputation they had and so on and so forth. So in around 2006 and 7, Smartmatic started to run elections in the United States in specific districts.

[A]

How did they get into the United States?

[B]

The same way they pitched their business to election districts. The first one that was very prominent, a Venezuelan company. Yes. They didn't represent it as a Venezuelan company. So they went through all this corporate sort of shenanigans that disguised the real ownership of the company. In fact, there was an embassy officer in Caracas in 2006 who famously wrote a cable saying, hey, you should keep your eye back to Washington to State Department. Keep your eye on this company, smartmatic. They're representing themselves to be an American election system. But that's not the truth. They're really owned by powerful people in Venezuela and nobody really paid attention to that cable. It was very key. Also there was a Congresswoman Carolyn Mahoney from New York who wrote a letter to ciphas, which is a, a department of the Treasury Department warning of smartmatic and saying, I don't think you need to look into this company. We don't think that the ownership is American and a foreign owned company should not be running elections in the United States. The Treasury Department did an investigation and started to have their own doubts about this. So smartmatic turned around and sold, bought this other election company called Sequoia. So what they were doing is they're doing everything they can to hide the fact that they're really Venezuelan owned. So they buy this. Sequoia was a small election company in the United States and when Sequoyah applied to run elections in California, California had a vetting process in place where you had to go through the Secretary of State and the Secretary of State would do an investigation through with using all these computer experts from MIT and yeah,

[A]

DOJ indicts voting machine company Smart Matico were allegedly bribing Philippines officials.

[B]

Yes, yes, that's still, that's still in place. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And one of the. The three founders of smartmatic is currently facing. He's. He's been accused. Roger Pinate.

[A]

Department of justice brought charges Thursday against the voting machine company smartmatic, accusing it of allegedly bribing an official in the Philippines to win contracts, according to court papers filed in the southern district of Florida. The indictment accuses Smartmatic and a number of employees for bribing a Philippine official in order to retain business, specifically in relation to purchase of voting machines in the 2016 Philippines election.

[B]

So this is one of the things that they resorted to even in the United States. So what they would do is they would pay bribes to people in specific states and specific counties to, you know, accept our bid to run elections in your district and there. And they have made. Since they started this in 2008, so they've made tremendous inroads into our, you know, election, the way we run elections in this country.

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[B]

That's right.

[A]

To get the contracts to install this software and technology in their country that's

[B]

even worse than that. So jumping ahead when, when President Trump was elected and in 2024, when he established Doge. Yeah, yeah. And Elon Musk was heading it up, one of the first things they, one of the first agencies they started to look at was the Agency of International Development Aid. And in that they found something called seps, which is the Consortium for Election. I forget what all the letters.

[A]

S E, P S C E P P S. Look it up. C E, P P S usaid.

[B]

Yeah. And what they found was that SEPS was giving grants, Billions of dollars of grants. Uh huh, yeah, there it is. Yeah. Election, Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening. So what they were doing is they were giving grant, it was run. Their partners were the, the Democratic National Democratic Institute, International Republican Institute and the International International Federation for Election Systems. So it was covered from both, from both the right and the left, the Republicans, Democrats. And what they, what basically they were doing is using US Taxpayer money to promote this software to other countries around the world. And they were doing it through, you know, we've spoken to people in different countries and embassies there. The Justice Minister of Guatemala, for example, what was happening is that our U.S. ambassador to Guatemala was pressuring the Guatemalan government to adopt this system, saying it'll be more efficient, it'll be safer, it'll be, you know, it's infallible, you can't, you can't, you can't mess with it. And, and at, at this point, we know of 72 countries that SEPS was able to convince to adapt this software now.

[A]

72.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

Yep. So why, why, who was behind this? Well, we have learned that our intelligence services started to use this software. We don't know if they're still using it, but they are involved in this. So they were, they were using it to determine the results of elections in other countries and which is one of the reasons why currently the Trump administration is in a battle in terms of do we release this information to the public or do we keep it quiet? Right. And that's where we are now.

[A]

Yeah, he's in a conundrum. He's in a conundrum, yeah.

[B]

When he first, well, when he first heard about it, because he, he wants to, he wants to show the American people that he, the election was stolen from him. Right.

[A]

But we also want to control the World at the same time.

[B]

Right. And so when he, when he first heard about this, he was like, gung ho, we're gonna get this out. They were planning on how to do it. And I know this because we have a relationship with the, with the lawyer within hit within his inner circle who he entrust, has entrusted with looking into all this stuff related to election fraud. And he was, when I was in Washington in early March, I guess it was, and it was like, this is going to happen. He's going to blow the whistle on, on, on our intelligence services and let the chips fall where they may. And quickly the intelligence agencies fought back and said, Mr. President, you can't do that because you're going to destroy our relationships all over the world. And you know, this is going to be a terrible public relations blow for the United States because, you know,

[A]

have you heard of. There's this. My friend Kurt Metzger has been on the show, did a podcast with this guy named Professor Jang.

[B]

Have you heard of him? No, I don't know.

[A]

He's a Chinese, a Chinese college professor or high school, I don't know one of the two. But he does this amazing show on YouTube where he breaks down international conflict and stuff like this. And he did, he did one on the invasion or not the invasion, the, the, basically the render mission where they got Maduro out of Venezuela and what he was saying, his, his like 30,000 foot view of what his theory was, was. And we'll know, we'll know when Maduro goes on trial if this theory was real, if it was true or not. Yeah, but what his theory was is Maduro was a CIA asset for the previous administration and the new rendition or this faction of the CIA went in to go get him and his wife to bring. And like all that, all that stuff about like directed energy weapons and all this crazy super high technology was all fake. This was just a thing. He was willing to come with us. They went in there and they got him. They're gonna put him on trial and Trump's gonna do a deal with him. He's gonna say, you want to go free or do you want to have, you know, all the concessions that we're willing to give you?

[B]

Yeah, go.

[A]

When you go on for a trial, you go and tell them that you stole the 2020 election using your software and you know about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he say, he's saying that when that happens, Trump's going to use that as leverage to get a third term. It's possible, I don't know. It's Possible. It's interesting. It's interesting. This guy's a. Guy. He's a. He lives in China, coming from China. It's interesting to hear his perspective on all this stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think there's.

[B]

There's some truth to it. So. So what happened? As the Venezuelans perfected this software and started to spread to more and more countries, and especially the US The Chinese started to get involved, and they kicked in a lot of capital, and the. The. So. And the Iranians started to get involved as well, and they both lent, like, their highest. Highest technicians to help perfect the software. And it became. So it was basically a consortium of our enemies, like Cuba, Venezuela, China, Russia was involved as well, and Iran. And they were. You know, they saw this as a way to undermine the United States, to confuse us, to determine different candidates, and also to. And the money that was generated through the Cartel. The Cartel de Los Solis was being used to fund organizations like Open Societies, foundations, Black Lives Matter, and other groups that we thought were organic here in the United States, but were actually being funded by our enemies from abroad. And they were doing this through a system they had perfected, using NGOs and cutouts and so on and so forth.

[A]

You're saying Venezuela and China and Iran were working together.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To create division in the United States and to steal our elections.

[B]

That's right. And let me go back. So the first election that they used, and we know all this because we have. They have. The whistleblowers have recruited 20 engineers who helped write the source code, who worked for smartmatic, Dominion, the Venezuelan cne, which. Their. Which is their.

[A]

Cartels running in the United States.

[B]

Yeah. Huh. And they're spreading their money around.

[A]

You know how crazy that sounds?

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's the truth. Because they generate enormous amounts of money, like, you know, over the last 10 years, like, trillions of dollars. So they're able to hire the. The top 10 law firms in Washington. They are able to pay off officials in different states to use their software. They're able to pay off judges. I mean, they're. They're trying to undermine the. The.

[A]

So the Cartel de Soles is paying off American congresspeople.

[B]

Mm. Mm.

[A]

How do we know this for a fact?

[B]

Well, we have to go through individual cases, and I'm not gonna make.

[A]

Who would be one person that you could say that's absolutely funded by the Cartel de Solis?

[B]

Well, well, certainly the governor and a Secretary of State of Georgia were.

[A]

Were.

[B]

You know, they. They accepted bribes to use Dominion software. To run the elections in Georgia. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

And.

[B]

And this has been, you know, pretty much documented.

[A]

They were paid by who specifically?

[B]

Well, the money. The money comes from Venice, the Cartel de los Solis, which is the Venezuelan government or China. It. It could. I don't know specifically, you know, which fund was used. But they have tremendous resources because Venezuela owns the. Owns the largest oil reserves in the world. We think. We think Saudi Arabia does.

[A]

No, Venezuela, for sure.

[B]

Yeah. So between their oil and the drugs that they control, you know, the.

[A]

That they were trying to sell us about blowing up the drug boats was comical, Right? Well, they look up the amount of cocaine that comes into America and what percentage comes out of Venezuela. It's like. It's hilarious.

[B]

So. But they run the network. Okay? So they run the farmers. They have a whole network. And the network starts in Bolivia and Colombia and Peru, where the drugs are. The coca leaves are grown. They control the plants that. The labs in Colombia, and they control the distribution points, which, like the. The Mexican cartels and so on, in terms of cocaine, work for them because they have the COVID of being a legitimate government.

[A]

You're saying the Mexican cartels work for Venezuela?

[B]

Yes. In terms of cocaine trafficking, yes. They are considered the Costco. So they are, like the big distribution center.

[A]

Maybe I've heard this and forgot it, but I feel like I've never heard this before.

[B]

Mm. It's true. So.

[A]

And what's the name of the organization that controls all the Mexican cartels?

[B]

Cartel de los Solas, which is basically the Venezuelan government. Delsey Rodriguez, who is now the president of the leader of Venezuela. She's a member. So by removing Maduro and his wife and arresting them, the cartel is still in place?

[A]

Of course. The whole regime is still in place.

[B]

The whole regime is still in place. Right. So we were hoping that when they got rid of Maduro, when they arrested him, that that would be the first step and that they would go in and get rid of Delsey Rodriguez and her brother and all these generals who run the Cartel de los Solas because they're really the heart of the drug trafficking operation, which is connected to the voting machines and smartmatic and all this other stuff. And they stopped. They didn't do it.

[A]

So did you find anything about the drugs?

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[A]

Percentage of US Supply. Venezuela accounts for a relatively small indirect percentage of cocaine entering the US with estimated often at under 10%, some reports say 8% via Caribbean routes, primary routes, the main flow, cocaine in the U.S. 70 to 90% utilizes eastern Pacific, western Caribbean routes, flowing through Central America, Mexico. Not through Venezuela.

[B]

Right here.

[A]

Role of Venezuela. Venezuela is not a major producer of M, but a major trans shipment hub for Colombian cocaine. European destination. A specific portion of cocaine passes through Venezuela. Okay, all right, but like,

[B]

but they.

[A]

What is this the thing that find about Cartel de Soless?

[B]

Cartel?

[A]

They control me. All of Mexico's drug cartels find something about that. I don't. I don't know. We don't. We can wait for him. He's going to take a while.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

And then when did the CIA find out about this and get control of it?

[B]

Around 2018? We think

[A]

so.

[B]

During the Biden administration.

[A]

So the CIA is aware of this? They're aware of all these countries trying to conspire together to control the United States?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're playing some sort of 3D chess back at them like they do. They know that we know about it and that we're secretly controlling it.

[B]

Now, I don't know what their thinking is. I don't. I think that there are people with. I know. We know that there are people within the CIA who have been. Who are working with the Cubans specifically, or Cuban agents. And those people have been identified to the FBI and the CIA and they're not doing anything about it. These two whistleblowers are the same people who found out about Manuel Rocha, who was the top, the top spy who has ever been recruited. He was at the highest levels of the US Government. He was working in the nsc. He was an ambassador to Bolivia and high levels in the State Department. Been there for years. 40, 30, 40 years.

[A]

Manuel Rocha.

[B]

Yeah. And it was Gary and Martine who turned who.

[A]

He was a Bolivian spy.

[B]

No, no, no. He's a U.S. ambassador, State Department official, an NSC official who had been recruited by. By Cuba. Cuba has been very deliberate in recruiting spies in the United States.

[A]

AI says yes. The Cartel de Soles controls a massive, through difficult, though difficult to quantify portion of the global cocaine transit trade, primarily by facilitating movement of Colombian cocaine through Venezuela toward Europe and the United States. Rather than a traditional hierarchical cartel, it is a decentralized state embedded network of high ranking Venezuelan military and government officials. Yeah, but ask it if it controls the Mexican drug cartels. I did. It told me no. Yeah, where did it say. Where does it say that right now? Oh, cartels. Does it control the Mexican drug cartels?

[B]

Cartels.

[A]

Or what is the relationship between the Cartel del Solis? No, Cartel del Solus does not control Mexican drug cultures. Instead, the Venezuelan criminal network composes of Composed of corrupt military and government officials that collaborates with Mexican cartels, most notably the Sinaloa cartel, to facilitate trafficking.

[B]

Right, yeah, right.

[A]

All of the crime and the beheadings and, and the people that are being trafficked and all the most sinister is go. Is happening in those Mexican drug cartels. Like the cartel wars going down in Mexico are like, insane.

[B]

Right, Right. Well, the Cartel del Sol would, Would be like a, A step above that. Right. So they are like the,

[A]

the executive suite.

[B]

The executive suite because they are actual generals with, with, with planes and military hardware that they can use and legitimate networks that they can use. So yeah, they have tremendous power, so.

[A]

But not responsible for the actual drug come flowing into this country themselves. That's a whole nother group of people from, from drug cartels.

[B]

Yeah, kids and stuff. Like, I, I likened it to Costco. Right, right. So they buy from all these, you know, other sources, but they run the whole network. Right. And, and yeah, it's, it's, it's very powerful. It's not known because it's very shadowy. But they, like, for example, they say, oh, they don't run the. But they run, for example, they own the, they're the ones who hire the growers. They buy from the growers in Bolivia and in Peru. Right. They have, they have control of the processing plants, so they run the whole network. Now they use the cartel, the Mexican cartels to get the cocaine across the border into the United States. I know some cartel leaders and they'll, they'll, like, you know, well, main. The Mexican cartels right now, their main business is fentanyl, but cocaine is something that they rely on the Cartel del Sol to help them distribute.

[A]

Find out the Cartel del Sol, like, what is their. How much money do they have? Or figure out, like, how much revenue do they generate? And see if you can rank them next to, like, the Sinaloa cartel, all the biggest Mexican cartels, like, rank them, like on a hierarchy of cartels based on revenue. I'd be really curious to see that. And then also, the CIA is embedded in a lot of these cartels. Like they have been since the 80s.

[B]

Yes, they are. It's not. Well, when you talk about the CIA, it's important to make a distinction. Like there's the official CIA, which is, you know, an agency of the government which has a structure and, you know, rules and personnel charts and so on and so forth. And everything has to be approved by the president or the Congress. Right. And then there's a, A shadowy organization which is often confused with the CIA. And I don't know what we would call that. You call. Some people call it the shadow CIA. People refer to it as the deep state.

[A]

Well, there's factions of the CIA. The CIA is not a monolith. There's different groups within the CIA.

[B]

Yeah, but I'm saying that there's the official CIA. Like, I know official CIA officers who, for example, worked in Syria during. During the Syrian crisis. And I would tell them about operations that I heard that were going on under their name, and they would go, we're not involved in that. We know about it.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

It's amazing. When I first started working on this, I started looking up the Cartel de Los Solis, which these guys had been investigating for years. And there was hardly anything, you know, no art, no major articles, no major investigations. It's like. But these people have a lot of money and they have a lot. They've made a lot of inroads into institutions in our government, including the press. So they have high level, like the top 10 law firms in Washington work with them.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I know, I've known. I know of lawyers who literally get flown down to, like, South Central America to meet, like, go to where it's Carlton, Mexico City, you know, to meet with these, like, big shots that. That never get touched.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That no one touches them.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

They stay in their penthouses and all the, you know, the people that get popped on the boats, the people that end up in prison, United States for the rest of their lives are like poor farmers.

[B]

That's right. That's right.

[A]

They're pawns. They're expendable.

[B]

That's right. It's a huge, huge international criminal network. And it. Yeah. And they are the ones who are, you know, selling out the United States. They don't really care that, you know, they're motivated by money and other things, and they don't really care what it's doing to the country and how it's. How it's eroding, you know, the damage it's doing to individuals and. And how it's just eroding, you know, confidence in any law enforcement and any institution.

[A]

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[B]

And in that sense, their interests align with these other enemy political organizations. Right. Other countries.

[A]

Like who?

[B]

Like China. Like China. Their philosophy is unrestricted. Their strategy to the United States is called unrestricted warfare. You can buy the book on the Internet. It was written by two Chinese colonels, I think, 10, 15 years ago. And it is basically their agenda for how they're going to overthrow the United States and dominate the United States. And the idea of unrestricted warfare is that you never confront the enemy directly. Right. You corrode them from within. Right. So you addict their children to drugs, social media. Social media, you control media, you control the messaging. Any method that is not direct, you buy off you corrupt officials, you buy off businesses, you plant spies everywhere, which they have. And if you look at that, if

[A]

you read that, they play the long game.

[B]

They play the long game. And if you read that book, they

[A]

have buildings in China that are older than this country.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. And the Chinese. And when you drill down into that, you understand that the Chinese and the Communist Party promotes this idea of the century of humiliation.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So it all goes back to the Opium wars, when the. When the Chinese empire was the most powerful empire on earth. Very sophisticated technologically, artistically, culturally, all those ways. And they were basically peaceful. And the East India Trading Company and the British showed up and they wanted to trade with China at the beginning of the. The 18th century. And the Chinese, the. The Europeans loved Chinese silk and tea in particular, and porcelain, but the Chinese didn't really value anything that was coming from the West. They felt that all their products were superior. Right. So what the, what the British. What the, what they discovered was that, well, maybe we could send opium that we grew, that they grew in India to China and check that out. And it turned out that the Chinese have Almost like a genetic weakness like the American native Americans have for alcohol, they have for opium. And very quickly, opium addiction became like a huge, huge problem in China. And something like estimates as high as over 20% of the whole population was addicted to opium. And the Chinese emperor in the mid 19th century said, hey, that's it. I'm not allowing any more opium imports into my country. Right. And the British and the French said, no, we need that money. The whole British Empire was based on opium sales. I mean, they were like the, the cart. The, the Sinaloa cartel of their day. Right, right. And, and, and so they fought two wars, the two opium wars where they sent troops into China, defeated them because they had better technology, and they basically negotiated two treaties that allowed. Forced the Chinese to open up their, their certain ports to opium imports. Right. And, and that definitely humiliated the Chinese emperor. And, and according to the, the way that the CCP writes history, that led to the fall of the empire eventually. Right. And, and there's a lot of evidence to that argument is very strong.

[A]

Well, and they're certainly winning right now with the way the world's looking, with America being tied up in all these wars. They're, they're certainly loving this, where they can pretty much operate with impunity in the South China Sea and around Taiwan. And there was news that came out maybe a week or two ago where the, the opposition party in Taiwan was actually meeting with Xi.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So they're doing well. So going back to the voting machines.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How come if this stuff was around, you said in the early 2000s.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How did Trump lose in. Or how did Trump win in 2016 then?

[B]

Well, they, they. When they considered the pot, the, the choice. I mean, this is, this is. I don't know this for a fact, but when they consider the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, they decided that Hillary would have been a more formidable enemy to them than Donald Trump, who knew nothing about foreign policy or, or China or Venezuela. And they decided to, you know, to, to elect Donald Trump and then quickly regretted it because he quickly put sanctions on. On the leadership of Venezuela. And so the next time around, they were determined not, you know, to, To. To defeat him.

[A]

Interesting. So they wanted Hillary to lose.

[B]

They wanted Hillary to lose. Yeah. Yeah. Because this is, this is just. Even the engineers that were recruited are, Are divided on this. They're not. They're not the top of the, they're not the, the Venezuelan regime. They're just voting, working for the Venezuelan machine. But what they, what they tell us is that and what we've been able to prove is that this software, this system was devoted, was built with 14 backdoors into it. So there are 14 ways to manipulate an election. Once Smartmatic or Dominion gets the contract to run an election in your district, there are 14 different methods that they can use to steal votes in a particular district, ranging from mail in voting. So when they get the contract to run a district, they get the voter logs so they know how everybody in the district has voted, who's voted for what party, what voters are dead, what voters have moved out of the district. And they can use all this data to come up with a plan that's very sophisticated. They plan a year ahead of time. And they have statisticians, they have engineers, they have huge resources that they can use to do this. So it's very sophisticated and it's all.

[A]

You're so, so this, this happens with people, they go up to the machine. I don't think I've ever seen one of these machines. Maybe I have, but it's like a touchscreen type deal.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, they're different kinds of machines, but they're, yeah, they're touched touchscreen machine

[A]

and it takes a percentage of the votes that were for the other party and flips them.

[B]

That's right. That's right. They were able to, they pretend or they contend that these machines and this software is invaluable. Right. You can't mess with it. But what we know is that there are all kinds of backdoors and that they're built with mechanisms built into the software to allow you to switch votes in different ways. And another important part is, is these machines are not supposed to be connected to the Internet. And they are. And that actually the, the big tabulation is done in Serbia. So all these machines are connected to huge servers in Serbia, Belgrade, Serbia, that are run, that are Huawei, Chinese Huawei servers.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

Yeah. So basically you have machines, the machines, the parts are made in China, they're shipped to Taiwan and they slap a made in Taiwan label on them to, to, you know, to try to fool people. Right. And the software that's installed in them is, is, was developed in Venezuela. So we are voting on, you know, Chinese made machines basically with Venezuelan software installed on them.

[A]

So this seems like it's not a, a huge secret inside the intelligence community of the United States.

[B]

Well, they have to know about it. They know about it at this point because of my book and the results

[A]

and I'm sure this investigation. Right, right. And it sounds like they may have known about it going as far back as 2016.

[B]

That's correct.

[A]

So there's basically what you're saying is there's factions inside the US Intelligence community. Community who see what these foreign countries like China and Venezuela are doing and essentially just like turning the other cheek and being traitors to the country and letting it happen.

[B]

That's right, yeah. And this is a battle that's being fought in the White House and has a. Appears to have been lost because the intelligence community so far has gotten their way. They have convinced the President that there's more at risk in revealing the system and protecting this and revealing the system than in, than in protecting it. So they are not, they are not working in the interests of the American people. No.

[A]

It doesn't seem like anybody in the government, other than maybe a handful of people are doing that anymore.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's kind of, it's kind of been exposed to be a house of cards.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, especially as of late. The, the, you know, the purpose of government, which, which was supposed to serve the people, you know, for the people, by the people. That was the whole idea that that has been completely lost. You know, they are looking out for what they consider their interests and the American people come last. So they don't care that our votes are being stolen, that a lot of this whole system is controlled by our enemies. They're so. The system is so corrupted at this point that unless there's a huge initiative to reveal all this stuff and force Congress and the executive to come to terms with it, it's not going to happen. You know, I published, I wrote my book. It took me a year to get it out, to get out of the contract with Skyhorse. And I put it out on my own, just self published. And I was hoping that it would, it would, you know, kind of start a movement where people would go, oh, we can't, we can't have this. We, we got to reform this. I mean, is this information true? And I know the book has been read by top people in all these departments and in the White House, and they're willing to live with it. And the question is why? Why? Your, your, your whole, your purpose is to protect us, but you're not protecting us. It took two whistleblowers, independent whistleblowers, to even bring this information to the attention of the public.

[A]

And who do you, Going back to the Fox thing, who do you suspect was behind Fox agreeing to pay the 700 million dollar, whatever, settlement and not fighting this? If they did have all the evidence to win the case.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. It's hard. You know, the thing is today with, with the way financial transactions are performed and, and all of the, you know, you need high level whistleblowers to track all this stuff, to even find out who. Like if you try to find out who owns smartmatic or who owns Dominion, it's a labyrinth. It's only if you understand. And that's why after the 2020 election, there were all these people who questioned. All over the country, different groups have questioned the results of the 2020 election. And they've all looked at algorithms and statistics and voter patterns and the number of people who were dead in a particular district. But if you. The system is built in such a way that it's almost impenetrable from the outside. These guys were so. The whistleblowers were so clever because they result they recruited people within the conspiracy to give them their information.

[A]

Right. Now, are these machines still being used in the, in how many states are using these machines?

[B]

I don't know specifically. I mean, there are four main companies. There's Dominion, there's smartmatic, which really just runs California and Los Angeles county. And there's Heart InterCivic, there is ESNs, there are various big companies. But we believe that all of those companies are using the same software. Their clients might be different. Some clients might be leaning more towards the Republican Party and some clients might be leaning more towards the Democratic Party, but we don't have the resources to track all that stuff. The whistleblowers have spent like $5 million of their own money already. Like nobody.

[A]

Five million?

[B]

Yes. Good lord.

[A]

That's a lot of money for a whistleblower. And these, and I assume that these things are being placed in like swing states mainly.

[B]

Oh, yeah, there are, there are, there are about 33 really important swing districts in the country. So these are people who study election, you know, voting patterns and elections that they have, you know, they have hundreds of engineers that are working on this all the time. And we've got, you know, we're defenseless. Our, our intelligence departments aren't even focused on this. Well, they're denying that there's a problem.

[A]

If I was just to like put on my tinfoil hat, I would imagine that going back as far as the Cold War, you know, after World War II, that there's always been some level of fraud.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In elections.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know how much, but I'm sure there was always ways to get it done. One Way or the other, on both sides. Right. And, you know, if I'm the CIA, just looking at their, just looking at their resume, I'm going to imagine if they discover something like this and, and uncover something like this, they are going to try to use their power to harness it, of course, for their own use.

[B]

Sure. Yeah. We've been spending. You know, I know this. My father was an ambassador, he was a State Department official. And I know that, you know, since the 60s at least, and probably way before, we were always funding, secretly funding newspapers overseas, political parties overseas that, that reflected our interests more than the other than other parties. Right, right. I mean, which I think is kind of maybe, you know, in a sense, fair game, but, you know, running their election system, you know, that gets a little. That is basically, you know, subverting their own government.

[A]

Well, it's a nice way to do it right now. You don't have to go do a coup d', etat, right? You don't have to install a bunch of Mossad agents and CIA agents to another government and shoot at their police stations and cause chaos. All you do is just type a couple little buttons in your algorithm and you got your coup.

[B]

Right. And that's why when they discovered it and they, and Fidel Castro was presented to Fidel Castro, he was like, wow, this is what I. I've been looking for my whole career. You know, I've been funding all these movements and all these, you know, Che Guevara and Bolivia and the jungles of, you know, starting to recruit people from a, you know, one peasant at a time to join this movement. Now I just get the government to install this, this, this software and run their elections on it. And we got it. We got it made, man. Yeah, this is perfect.

[A]

Yeah. The only difference between us and a crazy communist authoritarian regime is that we pretend like we're a free and open democracy, right? We just lie to you. At least they're out in the open about it.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[A]

What'd you find, Steve? So it says Jalisco New Generation Cartel, as of 2026, is viewed as arguably the most powerful cartel with estimated annual revenue of 516 billion pesos. Approximately, approximately 30 billion US dollars. Send a lower car cartel, it doesn't give a number. Remains a dominant force heavily involved in fentanyl production. 2026. Also China's infiltrating them and, and it's ally with factions of the Cisco New Generation Cartel. Key differences in income sources. The solace profits derive primarily from taxing cocaine shipments moving through Venezuela.

[B]

Yeah, well, a lot of this is, it's hidden. Right. So it's, keep scrolling. Yeah. So if you're, if you're a Mexican cartel, if you go up against the Venezuelan government, like they overpower you, they have a bigger reach than you do, they have more legitimacy than you do. I mean they have a, you know, an army and a navy. These generals and these admirals in Venezuela are the leaders of this cartel.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you basically have a whole criminal country up against a local group in say Mexico or Bolivia or wherever it is. And they just go in and go, hey, you're working with us now.

[A]

Right. And in Mexico there's wars going on between the cartels and the actual Mexican military and the government there.

[B]

Right, right. So you have, you have people searching for you and trying to defeat you. Whereas Venezuela, it's open, open season. You're protected. Right. You know, so they have a huge advantage. And they're not, as we see from what we can find on the Internet through, through AI, they're largely unknown. They've passed under the radar, you know, so. And they're very involved in all they have, the money laundering. So for example, we found out recently that, that the cartel was shipping cocaine to Houston on oil tankers. Right. Right into Houston coming in, no problem as they were oil shipments, selling that, that cocaine to different distributors. Right. To different cartels and criminal organizations. And then they were able to money launder that money using the Venezuelan oil oil company, which is Pedavesa and Chevron, which is a Venezuelan government controlled company. Right. So they had a whole kind of sealed, semi legal network. Right. You know, because they, they control the whole thing.

[A]

Yeah, it's a, it's a bigger, more well oiled machine because they are synergistic with that whole.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Government and military and all that.

[B]

Yeah. You don't have to find hidden runways. You don't have to pay off local officials, local governments, local police forces, military. You own all of that. You are them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you know, they, but, and they have this tremendous outreach because of the money that they, that they control and the political control that they've been able to gain within our system. So they, they're able to protect themselves with high level Washington attorneys, with, with lobbying firms, with banks that, that all do business with them. I mean, one of the things that happened a couple years ago is that there was a man in prison in Brooklyn. Well, he was at Rikers island initially, who was the intelligence chief during Hugo Chavez's regime. His name is Hugo Carvajal. And we were able to get permission to talk to him in prison. And initially he was in Rikers Island. Now he's been moved to MCC in Brooklyn. And he's just given us a load of information about how this system worked. He has, and we have. This information has been communicated directly to President Trump and what he told them. What he has been able to reveal is absolutely incredible about how closely the Venezuelan regime was working with the Iranians, how the Iranians were setting up drone and missile bases in Venezuela that were being aimed at Florida, that the Chinese and the Russians, with the help of the Venezuelans, had hacked into all the communications cables that ran through the Caribbean that carried all of the most sensitive communications, including conversations in the White House.

[A]

Iran was. Was installing missile sites.

[B]

Yeah. And drone sites.

[A]

And drone sites in. In Venezuela.

[B]

In Venezuela.

[A]

Can you find that, Steve?

[B]

I don't know if this has become pop.

[A]

That's another thing I've never seen.

[B]

Look, look up Hugo Carval and then

[A]

type in, like, Iran, Venezuela.

[B]

He actually wrote a letter, it was published in the Dallas Express to the President, President Trump, telling him, hey, I know I have all this information. And here's an example of the stuff that I have.

[A]

Is he going to. Is he going to get a pardon?

[B]

He. He probably is, Yeah. I think. Yeah.

[A]

What do you got? Let me see.

[B]

If you look at Dallas Express, Venezuela

[A]

has developed a domestic drone program including armed models like the. Okay, what does this have to do with Iran, though?

[B]

Well, there were training supplied by Iran using technology components and training supplied by Iran.

[A]

Okay, you got. What did you search for here, Steve? Iran, Venezuela drones. Does it say anything about Iran here? Okay. Oh, yeah, there we go. These drones are assembled locally, often using components shipped from Iran. So are they there? They're buying equipment from Iran? Is that what it is?

[B]

Okay. I don't know what the formal agreement is, but they are. They are working together.

[A]

Okay. It says the partnership began under Hugo Chavez, who showcased the first drones in 2012, initially presenting them as surveillance tools developed with Iranian, Russian and Chinese help.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Evolution of combat units. The program originally for surveillance evolved under President Maduro to include armed platforms, notably the ANSU 100, which is based on Iran's Mohajer 2 design and can carry precision guided munitions like the Quam bomb. Interesting. So they're getting a lot of, like, the. The equipment and the tools to develop and build this stuff from Russia, Iran and China.

[B]

Yes, with help from them. Yeah. So this is the same criminal network.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Talked about before. Right.

[A]

Which Is what? Right, which is, that makes sense because they're, they're, they want to help the number one oil supplying country in the world that's right in our backyard.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It also is very interesting that we did that thing in, in, in Venezuela right before they decided to invade Iran.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know, but I wonder where

[A]

the connection was there.

[B]

There might very possibly could be a connection because I know that when President Trump heard about this, he was like affected deeply. That. And basically what I heard is that when he, he heard about this right before he met with Putin in Alaska, remember the conference? And that when he went, it was, he heard from that, days before that conference. And the first thing he did, like Putin was in Alaska to talk about Ukraine.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And Putin walked in the meeting and he was pissed off and he went, hey, I just found out that you've been listening to all my communications and there's a cable that, that you've tapped into a cable under, near Iran with the, with the help of Venezuela. And if that doesn't, we have nothing to talk about until that is disabled. And that's why people were confused that the meeting was so, so short and Trump seemed pissed off and they felt the talks had failed. But what he was really setting was like, look, you've been spying on me and I know how you've been spying on me and I want this to stop before there's any communication because how am I going to talk to you when you're listening to my, my strategy sessions in the White House?

[A]

Yeah, makes sense.

[B]

So I think a lot of this is connected, right?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Iran, what, you know, why did they go, you know, you hit Venezuela first, now you're in Iran and Iran has a lot to do. Iran is the, the oil source, the primary oil source of China. So it seems like you're attacking that. True. It's one of the, I thought it

[A]

was only 20 of the oil for China.

[B]

I don't know what the percentage is. I don't know.

[A]

Find it, look it up. Steve, what percent, what percentage of Chinese oil imports come from Iran? I believe it's 20. Because I've been watching, I've been listening to about this.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

A lot recently.

[B]

I don't know. But anyway, there's, there seems to be a strategic link here. I don't exactly know what it is because for one thing, the Trump administration is very bad at communicating what their, what their strategies are and they, they do this on purpose.

[A]

Not great pr.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So we're all kind of, I never would have expected they would have done a 180 on literally everything they campaigned on.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's pretty crazy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And why

[A]

90% of Iran's oil exports go to China. Oh, so 90 of Iran's oil exports go to China.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Making up only 13 to 23% of China's total sea based crude oil imports.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. They have their own, their own oil resources in China. But the, so it's, it's.

[A]

China is Iran's biggest oil exporter or their biggest customer when it comes to oil. But for China it's only 13 to 23.

[B]

That's correct. Yeah.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We don't know what's going on anymore. We don't know who's making the decisions, why they're doing it. It seems like a, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty bonkers.

[B]

Yeah. Well, if you look at it from the Chinese point of view and the unrestricted warfare point of view, it's like Chinese, the, China's winning and they are the big adversary. They're, they're undermining our country. They are stealing our votes. They are corrupting our, our youth, addicting our youth to drugs.

[A]

Yeah. And, and I don't know if I blame them. If I'm China, I'm probably going to do the same thing. Well, you know who I do blame are the Americans are, who are complicit in it. The American companies.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Who are running these social media platforms that are enabling this just so they can get rich and make more billions and billions of dollars. They can put all their money offshores. They don't have to pay tax here.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And, and the politicians here who are taking money from foreign countries.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

To, to just let this country rot.

[B]

90% of our business.

[A]

If I'm a foreign country, that's my job, is to subvert my enemies. Right. I don't blame them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I blame the people. People that are here.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend I play tennis with and he was bragging several years ago about he, his family runs a business that, that has huge printing plants in a town in Kentucky and they've been doing that for, you know, 100 years, whatever. And how recently he, he moved all of that to China and they've got these like really high level sophisticated printing plants in China and they're making, you know, gobs more money. And I'm like, dude, what happened to the people in Kentucky? Yeah, well, they're all out of a job, man. They're all like living on welfare.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, well, where's your, where's your loyalty, you know, to your country and to the people that help build your company? Right. They don't care. And that has that, like you said, that's at the root of all of this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that, you know, people have just looked at the, the gain that they get from the cheap labor in China, including, you know, big companies like Apple. And we look the other way because we're like our, our computers would be 10, five times more or whatever it would be if they were made in the United States. But in the process, we're shifting so much economic power from our country to their country.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And, and, and, and the result here is, you know, drug addiction, disaffection, lowering of education.

[A]

Doesn't California have like the third GDP in the world? Yeah, it's a state, but it's like the numbers.

[B]

The fourth. Yeah, I think fourth gdp.

[A]

And that's because of just a handful of tech giants.

[B]

Right.

[A]

These AI companies.

[B]

I think the agricultural industry in, in California is really big.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They export, like all over the world. But yeah, I mean, find out where

[A]

California is as far as GDP globally. As early as 2, early 2026, California is ranked as the world's fourth largest economy with a GDP exceeding 4 trillion, trillion dollars, having recently overtaken Japan. The state's economic output Trials. Trials. Trails only the United States, China, Germany, driven by strong tech, entertainment, agriculture and manufacturing sectors.

[B]

But. Wow. But our governor has driven out a lot of. A lot of important manufacturing companies.

[A]

Did you see. What's the guy's name who's running for the mayor of Los Angeles? God damn it. Why am I spanking on his name?

[B]

Oh. Oh, you mean. Oh, yeah, he was the. The reality team.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He was just on Rogan's podcast a couple days ago. What's his name?

[B]

I'll talk about an election steal.

[A]

He was saying that on the. There's people that have to drive their kids to school in Los Angeles and they have to put these iPads in their cars when they drive past a certain part of the city because there's homeless people just, like, having sex on the side of the road. Like on the side of the road, and it's bad. Spencer Pratt.

[B]

Spencer Pratt.

[A]

Spencer Pratt.

[B]

Yeah, that's who I'm voting for. Yeah. Yeah, look, the. The Karen Bass election, that was a really strange one. But who runs selections in Los Angeles County? Smartmatic. Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

everybody. I mean, I was living in Los Angeles at the time, and you barely saw a Karen Bass sign. She wasn't that well known in Los Angeles, and the election results were drawn out. I mean, initially, her opponent. What's his name? The supermarket guy, the. The mall guy. He. He was ahead in all the polls. The initial results, he was. He was leading. And then the results were stretched out over 10 days or two weeks, and every time they came out, she was closer and closer. And then at the last one, she won. And it's like, what?

[A]

I'm voting for the Katie Porter lady. Have you seen her?

[B]

She's a nightmare.

[A]

She's. Tim Dillon endorsed her. He did a beautiful endorsement of Katie Porter.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They see the video that leaked of her. Is she.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

She's telling her she got out of my. Yelling at her assistant, get the. Out of my frame.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, she's. She's a sweetheart, man. Oh, my God. Oh. And that's the best they could find.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

That's the best. They think she's gonna. People are gonna fall in love with her.

[A]

Yeah. Her new commercial was incredibly entertaining. I think Tim Dillon played it on his recent podcast.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But it's just crazy that that's the fourth GDP in the world, and, you know, it's literally. It's hell on earth.

[B]

It's falling apart. Yep.

[A]

I was driving down this down last time I was there. I remember I was driving, like, down the highway randomly, and then just, like, the highway's on fire, and no one. No one bats an eye.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, there's a whole camp of people, like, all over the place and half the highways on fire.

[B]

Oh, we're. We're fixing it. It's getting better.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We just did a new survey. It's. It's down 10%. Like, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, I mean, you know, I live off Sunset. There. There are. Sunset is a. A major road through a very affluent area of Los Angeles, and There are huge potholes. It's like, are we in Calcutta now? Yeah, it's like a third world country. And I don't know, because all that

[A]

wealth is, is just in those giant companies, like they're holding, they're, they're the entire economy of the state. Right. It's not like the, it's not like people have jobs.

[B]

Yeah, no, well, the, well, the AI. We started by talking about the entertainment industry. I mean, it's gone. They don't produce TV shows and, and movies in California anymore because they fail to subsidize it. Where other states were subsidizing film production and TV production, California was like, ah, right, you just want to come here for the weather, I guess. Right. And they were like, no, we're in business. If, if we get tax incentives in another state, we'll go there. Like, why wouldn't we? We get 25, 30% in some states. In California, you just give us higher cost services in return. So it just. There's so many things that economically just don't make any sense. And it's like they're deliberately trying to drive the economy down and, and drive people out of the state. You know?

[A]

Is, is there any chance Spencer Pratt could win?

[B]

I think so. But if, if it's an honest election, it's going to be held on smartmatic.

[A]

They can run the smartmatic just on, on like mayoral votes too.

[B]

Everybody votes on smartmatic machines. They run the elections in Southern California, in Los Angeles County. So they get the contract to run the elections. So whenever there's an election that's held, they run it on their machines.

[A]

That's wild. Did you find anything about Spencer Pratt? Like what, what is his other polls or anything on him? Like, what's the projection and when is the, when is that election supposed to happen?

[B]

November.

[A]

That's in November.

[B]

I think so. Okay, coming up.

[A]

Interesting. You got anything, Steve? Significant 10 to 11 against Karen Bass, making him a surprising top tier contender in a field of 14. According to.

[B]

Now this is the, this is another thing that we've discovered that, you know, I been talking to the Rasmussen people, right, The Rasmussen poll, and they believe they're suspicious of all the polling companies. We know that the, a lot of the audit companies that are hired by states and so on to audit elections are owned by the Venezuelans. So they've surrounded the whole system. They control the whole system from top to bottom. I'll give you a high level example. There was a guy named Frank Holder who I write about in the book who was a spy for, was recruited by Cuba early in his career, also worked for Hugo Chavez and was a asset of the CIA. Okay, so he was like a triple agent. This guy went into, invested with the help of money from the, from criminals, invested in a lot of the high compliance companies, the sort of high level security companies like Kroll International, Berkeley Research Group. There are, there are a bunch of them. So like if you're a company, if you're a company that's thinking about investing in Venezuela or in a particular business sector or something, you would go to them and ask them to do a report to let you know, is this a good investment? Is this a legit, what's the chance that this government, the government in this country is going to be stable, things like that. So in 2020, the Trump administration, after all, the Trump campaign, after all the accusations of fraud came out, they hired Berkeley Research Group to investigate. Now Berkeley Research Group was, was being run at the time by Frank Holder. He was one of the high level officers and investors in that company. So the Trump administration didn't know that they were hiring the enemy, the guys who had helped steal their election, to give them a report to, to investigate whether there'd been any fraud in the election. And of course the, the, the, the, the report came out and said, oh no, we didn't find anything irregular about the 2020 election. And that result was of course picked up by the, the Washington Post and the, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, like, oh yeah, Trump's crazy. Berkeley Research Group, an independent independent research group, did a big study and, and found this out. So they're, you know. Right.

[A]

Trust the science. That's the science. Yeah. It's insane.

[B]

So this is what we're up against.

[A]

Have you, what, what, so have you gotten any like, pushback on, on this book from anyone? Has there been any sort of like, no, no opposition.

[B]

There are a couple people here and there that, that have disputed some of the information. But they say, well, you, you said they were using this particular voting machine and actually in that election they used a different version instead of the, the 22 5. They used the 2 2, right. Little stuff like that, but nothing in terms of like, oh, this is all bullshit. Because it's not, it's, it's. This information, by the way, has been all turned over to the Justice Department and the FBI and it's all been verified and it's also been verified by people like Hugo Carvajal and other members of the Chavez Maduro regime who have since Defected and have said, yeah, this is what we did. Hugo Carvajal says in a letter that he wrote to the Dallas Express, I had a monitor on my desk that was connected to smartmatic, which showed in real time, the results changing. I could watch it. Wow. We have recruited Hugo Chavez's head of security. He lives in this country now, and he doesn't want me to use his name, but he told us that before the 2020, the 2008 election, Hugo Chavez turned to his head of security and said, watch me. I'm going to elect the first African American leader of the United States.

[A]

I've heard this. That's insane.

[B]

And we've talked to the engineers and said, is that true? And they went, yeah. It started in the primary in Cook County, Illinois, when then newly elected Senator Barack Obama ran for the Democratic Party's nomination for president against Hillary Clinton and John Edwards and some other candidates. But Hillary Clinton was hugely favored and Barack Obama, because of manipulations that they did. And Roger Pinate, the head of smartmatic, was in Cook County, I think he was in Colorado, actually. They had a team of 18 engineers working on that election. And Barack Obama was the surprise winner, and that's what elevated him to the nomination, because it was like, you know, who is this guy? And he beat Hillary Clinton and Democratically stronghold Cook County. We better start paying attention to this guy. And all the press attention, the media attention shifted to Barack Obama.

[A]

Do you think that any of these presidential candidates are aware of what's going on with this?

[B]

I think so, yeah.

[A]

Like, you think Obama was aware of this technology and all this stuff when he was.

[B]

Well, Biden said, when he was running, when he slipped, you know, he had his senior moment and he said, we have the most highly advanced election fraud system in the world.

[A]

He said that?

[B]

He said that, yes.

[A]

Do you remember the context? Like, what he was.

[B]

It was at a speech and somebody had asked him a question or something and he blurted it out and everybody was like, like what?

[A]

Jesus Christ?

[B]

Does he know what he's saying? And who knows?

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

Yeah. So it's not, you know, when you look at. When you start to look at this, there are so many breadcrumbs all over the place. And that's why, you know, I don't know what the polling numbers are, but, you know, nobody believes in the integrity of our elections anymore, which is exactly what they've wanted to accomplish. Another thing that they discovered, the whistleblowers discovered through their contacts in Venezuela, was the existence of trend. They provided the Trump administration with files on 2000 members.

[A]

I heard Trend Del Agua was a CIA created gang. My friend told me the CIA made that.

[B]

It was created by the. By the Chavez regime. Okay. And it was to. Initially it was to, you know, like a secret police force to eliminate enemies of the regime. And then in around 2018, they started planning them in the United States. They just walk across the border when Biden had his open border policy. And they set up in different communities and they were just chaos agents. They would, you know, murder, rape, intimidate people, deal drugs, and that was their purpose.

[A]

Yeah. Somebody was telling me that this was like.

[B]

But they were trained and we know, right? The. The sites where they were trained, we have put together.

[A]

October of 24, Biden. Secondly, we are in a situation where we have put together and you guys did it for our administration, President Obama's administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics. What the president is trying to do is discourage people from voting by implying that their vote won't be counted, it can't be counted, we're going to challenge it and all these things. If enough people vote, it's going to overwhelm the system.

[B]

Wow. Yeah.

[A]

Freudian slip there, huh?

[B]

Yeah. How do you explain that?

[A]

That's crazy. What was this interview? Scroll up, Steve.

[B]

I think it was a speech he made somewhere.

[A]

Answer with no, go all the way to the top. Well, this is like fact check. Viral post takes Biden quote on fraud out of context.

[B]

The weeks leading repeatedly claimed without evidence, evidence that the voter fraud was rampant.

[A]

We reported, meanwhile, viral social media posts shared in late October by a son, Eric Trump, and others take a video clip of the former president Joe Biden out of context to falsely suggest Biden admitted to creating voter fraud. The posts. Isolate the posts isolate a clip from Biden's October 24 appearance on the progressive podcast pod Save America. That's a terrible fucking name for a podcast. In the video clip shared in the viral post, Biden says, secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together and you guys did it for our administration. President Brock, President Obama's administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's. I mean, maybe he could be.

[B]

He.

[A]

Maybe he was trying to say, like, voter fraud protection organization.

[B]

He was probably initially thinking that, yeah, mine, you know, jumped the track.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his brain just short circuited right there.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

Interesting. Wild times, man.

[B]

Yeah, dangerous times.

[A]

So I'm wondering if this guy. I wonder if this guy Jang's theory is going to come true and they're going to put Maduro in front of. In front of a jury and make him basically say that, yes, we did it.

[B]

Yeah. Well, the thing that we. That indicate is that Hugo Carvajal is just waiting to testify against Maduro. And Maduro knows that Hugo Carvajal is in prison in Brooklyn. So Maduro is screwed. Whether he admits to anything is another question. The other thing is, is that they. They very pointedly took his wife, too.

[A]

Yep. That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, thank you for doing this, man. This has been fascinating.

[B]

My pleasure.

[A]

Tell people more about where they can get your book.

[B]

The name of the book is Stolen Elections the Takedown of Democracies Worldwide. And it's available on Amazon. That's the place to get it. Perfect.

[A]

We'll make sure we link all that below.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

And thanks again, man. This has been fun.

[B]

Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Pleasure.

[A]

Good night, everybody.