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Danny Jones Podcast #405 • Epstein, Atlantis & Ark of the Covenant | Guest: Dan Richards

Release Date: June 15, 2026
Host: Danny Jones
Guest: Dan Richards (@Dunking)
Theme: A nuanced exploration of ancient mysteries, pseudoarchaeology, conspiracy, the science vs. alternative history debate, and the ways in which ego, economics, and narrative shape what the public accepts as truth about the past.

Episode Overview

In this probing, irreverent episode, Danny Jones and guest Dan Richards (aka Dunking) dive deep into the endless debates at the intersection of ancient history, alternative archaeology, conspiracy, and scientific dogmatism. Using the cases of Epstein’s weird Atlantis obsession, the enigma of the Ark of the Covenant, the saga of precision vases and ‘ancient high tech’, and many illustrative sidebars, the conversation deconstructs how myth, money, belief, and online echo chambers warp public acceptance of the past. The conversation’s tone stays earthy and candid—part skeptical inquiry, part barroom banter—pushing for open minds, more cross-pollination between disciplines, and the humility to say "we don’t know".

Key Topics & Insights

The Divide: Alternative History vs. Academic Orthodoxy

Polarization in Archaeology
- There’s a widening chasm between ‘mainstream’ academic archaeologists, popularizer-debunkers, and alternative history influencers (Graham Hancock, Jimmy Corsetti, etc.).
- “It’s like, you pick your side like you pick your politicians, and stick with that worldview, no matter what actual facts come out.” (Duncan, 26:38)
- Online debates incentivize outrage, not discovery. Social algorithms reward content that polarizes—whether debunkers or believers.
The Incentives of Science (and Grifting)
- “Nobody would be doing any of this stuff if for the most part it didn’t earn a lot of money.” (Matt, 13:33)
- Science communication (from Sagan to YouTubers) often comes with ego, economic, and branding incentives.
- Dave Farina (“Professor Dave”) is called out for defending institutions/dogma while calling others grifters: “He’s a grifter. For everything he gets wrong, he should make a public correction - but he hides from debate.” (Duncan, 65:56)

Ancient Mysteries, Artifacts, & Atlantis

Epstein & Atlantis
- It’s highlighted how Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and other elites weirdly funded Atlantis/ancient tech explorations (25:18+).
- When Maxwell went off-grid she allegedly used the “Janet Atlantis” alias and they had plans for seasteading/countries-at-sea.
Vases, Forgeries, and the “Ancient High Technology” Debate
- Recent peer-reviewed papers question whether supposedly “machine-precise” vases might be modern forgeries (33:00+).
- “Honestly, Max takes it too far. He shouldn’t claim all the private ones are fakes—just that it’s possible. Now the burden of proof shifts.” (Duncan, 39:14)
- Some artifacts in public museums show clear weathering; the most surprising ‘high precision’ ones conveniently tend to turn up in private collections.
- The function and age of the pyramids are fiercely contested, and much appeals to authority or selective data massaging happens in academia—especially in dating (see Baysean modeling discussion at 52:35+).
The Role (and Limits) of Scientific Methods in Archaeology
- Carbon dating vs. written record: “Archaeologists just fudge the data to fit the narrative, especially with Bayesian modeling. That’s not science. That’s circular reasoning.” (Duncan, 56:30)
- Many archaeological methods are more interpretive than strictly ‘scientific’.
Cross-Continental Contact, Cocaine Mummies & Elongated Skulls
- Evidence for cross-continental contact before Columbus is discussed, from nicotine/cocaine traces in Egyptian mummies (the Munich Nine) to the persistent global mystery of artificially elongated skulls (73:44+).
- The archaeological record of elongated skulls has been “cleaned” over time—Richards suggests this is a kind of cover-up to fit a narrative of the Americas as isolated until recently.

UFOs, Mystery, and the Modern Information Landscape

Disclosure, Distraction, & “Bread and Circus”
- Recent government “disclosures”—Epstein files, UFO files—are compared to staged distractions, complete with clickbait and staged influencer spectacles (29:30+).
- “It doesn’t matter if it’s stamped with the official seal—the public treats it as tinfoil-hat stuff anyway. No one has the attention span.” (Matt/Duncan, 28:03)
The Value of Mystery in Tourism and Ideology
- Archaeological authorities sometimes leave mysteries unsolved intentionally: “The mystery is what makes the money. If you dig it all the way out, people stop coming.” (Duncan, 91:14)
- Zahi Hawass and others are cast as playing ‘heels’ in the wrestling match of archaeology, using controversy to drive tourism.
Simulation Theory & Future Tech
- Conversation ends with a discussion of fruit fly brain uploads, simulation theory, and how we can never really prove if our reality is “base” reality or just a simulation (171:57+).

How People Believe: Ego, Social Groups, the Pendulum, and the Limits of Knowledge

The Human Element
- People become attached to camps—either strict skeptics or full believers.
- “It’s always a pendulum… Everyone wants all of one or all of the other. No one sits in the middle or holds on to mystery.” (Duncan, 40:08, 62:11)
- The dangers of “dogma” are present in both academia and alternative communities.
- There’s always been doubters—Thomas the apostle is cited as a Biblical example.
Openness to Inquiry & Value of Mystery
- “The denial of mystery is one of the biggest blockers to us learning more.” (Duncan, 140:07)
- Cross-pollination between disciplines, and collaborative humility, is the ideal—but often lost amid ego and branding wars.

Notable Quotes & Moments

“You pick your scientists now like you pick your politicians. The public can just choose their truth.” — Dan Richards (27:00)

“If archaeologists believed in Harry Potter, they’d peer-review papers on Hogwarts all day.” — Dan Richards (73:04)

“The whole carbon dating thing — they just massaged the data to fit the dynastic narrative. That’s not science, it’s Bayesian modeling fakery.” (Duncan, 56:30)

“Even Carl Sagan got shade from the academy for being too public-facing. 'Those who can’t do, teach.'” — Duncan (16:30)

“The mystery is what keeps the tourist dollars flowing. If they dig up the whole thing and find nothing, they kill the golden goose.” — Duncan (102:05)

“A pendulum always swings too far. Nobody stays in the center for long.” — Duncan (40:19)

“The denial of mystery is one of the biggest blockers to us learning more. If you say the science is settled, you’re just as useless as the guy who says God did it.” — Duncan (135:56, 140:07)

“If you can imagine a treasure hunter when metal detectors showed up in the 70s … now imagine AI for archaeology.” — Duncan (108:26)

“Every ancient record could just be like ‘Eat at Joe’s’ and not some cosmic secret.” — Duncan (129:23)

“You want real answers? Make sure some discipline can corroborate another. Without cross-checking, we’re just making up stories.” — Matt (134:23)

Timestamps for Key Segments

Mainstream vs. Alt-Archaeology Debate: 00:57–07:00, 39:31, 62:00
Media Algorithms & Echo Chambers: 07:30–08:20
Billy Carson / Conferences: 08:51–10:00
New Age vs. Science / The Crystal Skull: 06:39–10:03, 71:05
Role of Mystery and Tourism: 91:14–102:05
Ghislaine Maxwell, Atlantis, and Seasteading: 25:22–26:26
Precision Vases Debate: 33:00–40:08
Dating the Pyramids & Bayesian Modeling: 52:35–56:30
Carbon Dating and Historical Narratives: 50:10–54:44
Cocaine Mummies, Cross-continental Contact, Elongated Skulls: 73:44–155:23
Gobekli Tepe & the Politics of Mystery: 88:45–94:41
Fruit Fly Brain Simulation & Simulation Theory: 171:25–180:12
Epistemology, Story, and Allegory (Atlantis & Plato): 158:41–169:45
Mystery, Myth, and the Problem of Proof: 135:35, 140:07
Concluding Remarks & Call for Debate: (182:42)

The Ark of the Covenant, Ancient Tech, & Occam's Razor

The Ark (as discussed by Graham Hancock) might be a myth built from Egyptian models.
The “Baghdad battery” could plausibly have been used for gold and silver extraction via simple chemical means, not electricity.

Final Thoughts

The episode pushes for genuine curiosity: beware of ideological echo chambers, especially in fields involving history, archaeology, and science communication.
Ego and self-interest—whether in academia, influencer culture, or popular media—warp public understanding as much as actual evidence.

“We have to keep our feet in both the known and the unknown. Stay humble, keep the mystery alive, and always be ready to say ‘I don’t know’.” — Duncan (102:11)

Guest Info

Dan Richards (“Dunking”)
YouTube: [Dunking]
Twitter/Instagram: @dunking
Upcoming: Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference, Austin, October (with Billy Carson, David Childress, etc.)

This summary skips all advertisements and covers only the primary discussion, focusing on the many-layered debate around ancient history, science, conspiracy, and the endless allure of the unknown.

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Duncan
Foreign. Good.
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Morning. Dan.
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Good. Morning. Dan.
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Between. The. Ancient. Archaeology. Skeptics. And. The. Promoters. Of. Ancient. Archaeology. Or. Like. The. Gaps. In.
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Mysteries. Of. The. Ancient. World. It's. Like. It's.
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Crazy. To. Me. How. These. People.
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Will.
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Fight. So. Viciously. Against. Each. Other. On. The. Internet. About. That. Was. Happening. Thousands. Of. Years. Ago.
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Harm. Even. Beyond. That. The. Carbon. Dating. That. Was. Done. On. The. Giza. Plateau. We've. Had. Two. Expeditions. Go. One. Was. Financed. By. The. Edgar. Cayce. Foundation. The. Other. Was. Financed.
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The. Boots. On. The. Ground. On. These. Things. So. This. Is. Pseudo. Scientists. And. Scientists. If. You. Want. To. Call.
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The. Difference. Between. You. Know. Archeology. And. Physics. For. Example. And. They. Try. To. Blame. They. Try.
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This. Is. Why. People. Are. Questioning. Other. Fields. Of. Science. It's.
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No. This. Specific. Thing. Right. Here. Let's.
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Deal.
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With. This. But.
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Lane. Right. To.
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Create.
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To. Exist. In. Where. He. Can. He.
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Can. Use.
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People. Like. Graham. And. Ben. And. Jimmy. And. You.
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To.
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Basically. Like. Like. You. Guys. Are. His. Ammo. For. What. He. Does. And. And. He.
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Going. Completely. Against.
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Grain. On. Everything. You. Guys. Do. And. Like. What. I. Said.
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What. He. Does. Is. That. He. Looks. To. The. Government. And. The. Ivory. Towers. Of. Science. As. His. North. Star.
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Of.
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What. Journalism. Actually. Is.
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Yeah. Yes. That. Was. A. Really. Good. Thing. For. You.
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Point. Out. On. Him. But. He. Didn't. Really. Have. A. Good. Answer. For.
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These. Guys. Are. Wrong. Like. When. You. Asked. Him. Well. What. Would. Happen.
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People. Demonetized. You. For. What. You're. Saying. Well. That. Would. Just. Be. Truth. Being. Destroyed. Like. Dude. Hubris. Much. And. Come.
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On.
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Man. How. Arrogant. Can. You. Be. What. What. I. Say. Is. Factual. And. What. Other. People. Say. That. They. Believe. Factuals. Just. Bs. And. Then. Then. There's. The. Fact. That. Dave. Doesn't. Properly. Portray. The. Information. I. Mean. Guys. Like. Him. Honestly. Are. Are. The. Grifters. Because. They've.
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Says. You. Know.
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Everyone's. A. Grifter. At.
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Level. I. Won't. Argue.
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Sell. A. Fake. Bill. Of. Goods. They. Say. We're. Selling. The. Truth. We're. Selling. Facts. We're. Debunking. These. Things. And. Then. I. I. Don't. Watch. All.
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His. Content. But. I. Can. Tell. You. One. Hundred. On. Me. He. Got. Like. Everything. Wrong. Like. All. The. Way. From. What. My. Beliefs. Are. To. What. I. Started. My. Channel. To. My. Personal. Life. To. My. Professional. My. When. I. Worked.
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On.
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Movie. Sets. All. The. Union. Guys. Like. The. If. You're. Non. Union.
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And. You're.
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Like. Encroaching. On. Them.
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Or.
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If.
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You're.
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In. Some. Different. Union.
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And.
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You. Like. You. Pick. Up. A. Still. Camera. For. The. Still. Camera. Guy.
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In. The.
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Photography. Union. Like. They'll. Fudge. Throw. Fit. They'll. Write. You. Up.
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Teamsters.
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Are.
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The. Coolest.
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Of.
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The. Unions.
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Yeah. I. Think. All. The. Unions. I. Think. Started. From. A. Good. Moat. For. The.
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Most.
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Part. Started. From. A. Good. Place. But. Like.
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Got. Your. Grift. Going. You. Know. What. Do. You.
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Now. You.
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Have.
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To.
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Kick.
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Duncan
The. Kick. The. Can. Down. The. Curb. So. With. With. Like. With. Gay. Rights. Is. The.
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One.
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I. Use. Because. It's. Easiest.
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To.
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Illustrate. After. Ob. Past. Gay. Marriage. Funding. Went.
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Down.
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You. Didn't. Hear. About. It. As. Much. But. If. You're. A. Dude. That. Was. Like. Promoting. Gay. Rights. You.
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To. Find. Another. Candy. Kick. Otherwise. Your. Paycheck. Dries. Up. So. This.
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Where. We. Get. You. Know. All. Kinds. Of. Just. Kind. Of. Goofy. Slacktivism.
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Guest
Or.
[05:50]
Duncan
Whatever.
[05:50]
Guest
You. Want.
[05:50]
Duncan
To.
[05:50]
Matt
Call.
[05:50]
Duncan
It. Where. It's.
[05:50]
Matt
Just.
[05:50]
Duncan
Kind. Of. Bullshit. Air. Conditioning. Is. Sexist. Is. One.
[05:54]
Guest
Of.
[05:54]
Duncan
My. Favorites. Yeah. Slacktivists. Are. In. My. Term. I. Use. For. People. Online. That. Think. That. They're. Doing. Something. By. Retweeting. A. Hashtag. Or. Posting. A. Meme.
[06:02]
Guest
Or. Some.
[06:02]
Duncan
Such. Shit. Nobody. Cares. Right.
[06:04]
Matt
Yeah.
[06:04]
Duncan
Just. Trying.
[06:04]
Matt
To. Get. More. Attention. On. The. Fact. That. They're. Being. Loud. About. Some. Sort.
[06:08]
Duncan
Of.
[06:08]
Matt
Issue.
[06:09]
Duncan
Or. Whatever.
[06:09]
Matt
It. Is.
[06:10]
Duncan
Exactly.
[06:10]
Matt
Calling.
[06:11]
Guest
People.
[06:11]
Matt
Homophobics.
[06:12]
Duncan
And.
[06:12]
Matt
Whatever.
[06:13]
Guest
It.
[06:13]
Matt
Is. I'm.
[06:14]
Guest
Not.
[06:14]
Matt
Homophobic.
[06:14]
Duncan
I'm.
[06:15]
Matt
Homo. Bored.
[06:18]
Duncan
I. Hang. Out. With. Them. At. The. Bar. All. The. Time. Right. Exactly. They're. Great.
[06:21]
Matt
They're. Fine.
[06:22]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Don't.
[06:22]
Guest
Need.
[06:22]
Matt
To.
[06:22]
Duncan
Hear. I.
[06:23]
Matt
Don't.
[06:23]
Duncan
You. Don't.
[06:23]
Matt
Need.
[06:23]
Duncan
To.
[06:24]
Guest
You.
[06:24]
Matt
Know. Pound.
[06:24]
Duncan
Your.
[06:24]
Matt
Chest. About. It.
[06:26]
Duncan
So. Accurate. No. It's. Funny. Like. What. I. Say. That. These. Guys. Are. Grifting. Like. My. My. Positions. On. A.
[06:32]
Guest
Lot.
[06:32]
Duncan
Of. The. Pyramids. And. Stuff. Is. Way. Different. Than. Graham. Hancock's. For. Example. Or. Jimmy. Corsetti's. And. I. Get.
[06:39]
Matt
Along.
[06:39]
Duncan
With.
[06:39]
Guest
These.
[06:39]
Duncan
Guys. Fine. You. Know. We. Were. Talking. About. Carolyn. The. Woman. With. The. Crystal. Skull. And. Like. I. Was. Telling. You. She. Said. That. You. Know. You're. The. First. Self. Professed. Skeptic. I've. Let. Be. In. The. Same. Room.
[06:48]
Guest
With.
[06:49]
Duncan
This. Thing. She's. Dealt. With. The. People. That. Throw. Slings. And. Arrows. And. You. Know.
[06:52]
Matt
Like.
[06:52]
Duncan
We. Were. Saying. She's. She's. Not. Doing. Anything. That's. Hurting. Anybody. She's. She's. I.
[06:57]
Guest
Think.
[06:57]
Duncan
This. Is. An. Important. Thing. For. A.
[06:59]
Matt
Lot.
[06:59]
Duncan
Of. The. Debunkers.
[06:59]
Guest
To.
[07:00]
Duncan
Wrap. Their.
[07:00]
Guest
Head.
[07:00]
Duncan
Around. There's. A. Certain. Cross. Section. Of. Humanity. That's. Just. Not. Going. To. Go. With. Science. They're.
[07:06]
Guest
Going.
[07:06]
Duncan
To. Have. Faith. In. Something. And. This. Is. There. This. You. Can't. Change. This. This. Is.
[07:11]
Matt
A.
[07:11]
Duncan
Genetic. Thing. In. My. Opinion. And. By. Attacking.
[07:15]
Guest
These.
[07:15]
Duncan
People. All.
[07:16]
Guest
You.
[07:16]
Duncan
Do.
[07:16]
Matt
Is.
[07:16]
Duncan
Polarize. Them. If.
[07:17]
Matt
I.
[07:17]
Duncan
Get. Up.
[07:17]
Matt
And.
[07:17]
Duncan
Push. You. You're. Going.
[07:18]
Matt
To.
[07:18]
Duncan
Push. Me.
[07:18]
Guest
Back.
[07:19]
Duncan
This. Is. No. Brainer. But. As. An. Influencer. You'll. Get. This. One. If. I. Make. Something. That. All. My. Constituent.
[07:27]
Guest
All.
[07:27]
Duncan
My. Followers. Click. On. I. Make. Good. Money. But. If. I. Make. Something. That.
[07:29]
Matt
All.
[07:30]
Duncan
My. Haters. Click.
[07:30]
Matt
On.
[07:31]
Duncan
Too. And. Other. Country. Might. Get. Torn.
[07:33]
Matt
In. Half. But. Who. Gives.
[07:34]
Guest
A.
[07:34]
Matt
And. Exactly. That's. Exactly. True. And. On. Top. Of. That. The. Way. These. Algorithms. Work. Is. They. Want. You. To. Po.
[07:42]
Duncan
To.
[07:42]
Matt
To. Produce. Content. That. Is.
[07:44]
Guest
In.
[07:44]
Matt
The. Same. Line. And. Right.
[07:45]
Duncan
On.
[07:45]
Matt
Brand. With. All. The. Other. Content. That. Gets. The. Most. Amount.
[07:47]
Guest
Of.
[07:48]
Matt
Views.
[07:48]
Duncan
They.
[07:48]
Matt
Incentivize. You. To. Do. That. So. It's. Easier. For. The. Algorithm. To. Determine. What. Audience. To. Send. It. To. So.
[07:56]
Duncan
They. Can.
[07:56]
Guest
Make.
[07:56]
Matt
More. Advertising. Money. And. The. Downstream. Effect. Of. That.
[07:59]
Duncan
Is. You.
[08:00]
Matt
Get. People. Like. Dave.
[08:01]
Duncan
You.
[08:02]
Matt
Get. Podcasters. That. Will.
[08:04]
Duncan
Just.
[08:04]
Matt
Like. Find. Something. That. Works. And. They'll.
[08:06]
Duncan
Just.
[08:06]
Matt
Keep. Hammering. That.
[08:07]
Duncan
Yeah. As.
[08:08]
Matt
Long. As. They. Possibly. Can. Because. That. Does. Make.
[08:10]
Guest
The.
[08:10]
Duncan
Most.
[08:10]
Matt
Money. And. That. Does. Get. Them.
[08:11]
Duncan
The. Most.
[08:12]
Matt
Attention. It's. Really. Hard.
[08:14]
Duncan
To.
[08:14]
Matt
Go.
[08:15]
Guest
The.
[08:15]
Matt
Other. Way. On. Stuff. Especially. If. You. Rely. On.
[08:18]
Duncan
Social.
[08:18]
Matt
Media. For.
[08:18]
Guest
Your.
[08:18]
Matt
Income.
[08:19]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
[08:20]
Matt
Like. And. Like. And. Entertain. Ideas. That. Are. Completely. Counterintuitive. To. What.
[08:27]
Duncan
Your.
[08:28]
Matt
Audience. Is. Accustomed. To.
[08:29]
Guest
Or.
[08:29]
Matt
What. You're. Accustomed. To. Exploring. You. Know.
[08:32]
Duncan
Yeah. I'm. Sure. You. Get. All. The.
[08:33]
Guest
Time.
[08:33]
Duncan
Unsubscribed. Because. You. Had. Billy. Carson. On. Or. Unsubscribed. Because. No. Billy.
[08:37]
Matt
Carson. My. Fans. Love. Billy. Carson.
[08:40]
Duncan
My. Fan. I. I. Had. A. Lot.
[08:41]
Guest
Of.
[08:41]
Duncan
My. Fans. Liked. The. Fact. That. I. Had. It. That. I. Was. Talking. To. Him. That. Some. People.
[08:45]
Guest
Were.
[08:45]
Duncan
Like. Oh. No. You. Can't. Believe. You. Had. Him.
[08:47]
Guest
On.
[08:47]
Duncan
There. And.
[08:48]
Matt
Well.
[08:48]
Guest
He.
[08:48]
Matt
Lost.
[08:48]
Duncan
His.
[08:49]
Matt
He. Lost. His. Luster. After.
[08:50]
Duncan
The.
[08:50]
Matt
West. Huff.
[08:50]
Duncan
Thing. Exactly.
[08:51]
Matt
Yeah.
[08:52]
Duncan
But. You. Know. I. I. Do. I. Mean. I. Do. He. Was. In. Sedona. We. Were. Doing. The. Quest. For. Ancient. Civilizations. Conference. And. We're. Gonna. Be. Doing. That. Again. In. Austin. This. October. But. You. Know. He. Was. One. Of. The. Speakers. That's.
[09:04]
Guest
There.
[09:04]
Duncan
And. So. Here's. The. Thing. There's. People. I. Disagree. With. Lots.
[09:07]
Guest
Of.
[09:07]
Duncan
People. In. The. World. I. Disagreed. With. Carolyn. About. Her. Crystal. Skull. But. She. Let.
[09:12]
Guest
Me. In.
[09:12]
Duncan
The. Room. Because. I'm. Not. A. Dick. About. It. I.
[09:13]
Matt
Don't.
[09:14]
Duncan
I.
[09:14]
Guest
Didn't.
[09:14]
Duncan
Call. Her. Sasquatch. Taint. I. Didn't. Call.
[09:16]
Guest
Her.
[09:16]
Duncan
Retarded. I. Didn't. Say. That. She's. Stupid. And. Doesn't. Know. Yeah. That's. That. Place. In. The. Middle. There. That. We. That's. Where. I. I. Saw. The. Skull. And. That's. That. Is. A. The. No. They. Sorry. The. It's. Like. She's. Sitting. Next. To. A. Dude. But. Anyway. This. Guy. Had. A. Whole. Big. Sweat. Lodge. Built. Out. Of. Stone. But.
[09:36]
Guest
He.
[09:36]
Duncan
Was.
[09:36]
Matt
An.
[09:37]
Duncan
Electrician. Which. Is. What. I. Used. To. Do. And. He. Had. It. All. Quartz. Crystals. And. Copper. And. And. Pisa. Water. Running. Above. So. You. Get. My. Piezoelectric. Effect. And. You. Could. Actually. Feel.
[09:47]
Guest
It.
[09:47]
Duncan
His. Little. Copper. Plates. You. Could. Touch. And. Touch. The. Wall. And. It's. Not. A. Lot. But. Feel. A. Little. A. Little. Spark. And. So. That's. You. Know. Like. New. Age. Meeting. Science. And. Why. I'm. Not. A. New. Age. Type. Of. Person. I. Mean. Here's. The. Thing. Anybody. Who's. Doing. Honest. Research. Who's. Being. Honest. With. Themselves.
[10:04]
Matt
And.
[10:05]
Duncan
They.
[10:05]
Matt
Can.
[10:05]
Guest
Be.
[10:06]
Duncan
Wrong. As. Fuck. About. Where. They're. Going. About. Where. They're. Coming. From. And. Still. Give. Us. Good. Data. The. Guy. That. Determined. That. The. The. Norse. Beat. Columbus. To. The. Americas. Was. Carl. Christian. Raffin. And. He. Was. An. Anthropologist. Like. One. Hundred. Fifty. Years. Ago. And. He. Believed. The. Whole. Reason. He. Got. Started. On. On. The. Norse. Being. The. First. Ones. Here. Was. Every. Time. He. Saw. A. Rock. With.
[10:26]
Matt
The.
[10:26]
Duncan
Glyph. On. It. He. Was. Like. Man. I. Don't. See. How. Those. Dumb. Indians. Could.
[10:29]
Matt
Have.
[10:29]
Duncan
Carved. This. Glyph. So. He. Just. Must. Be. Norse. Must. Be. Norse. But. That. Wrong. Ass. Line. Of. Thinking. Eventually. Led. Him. To. Reading. The. Papers. And. He. Was. The.
[10:38]
Guest
One.
[10:38]
Duncan
That. Discovered. That. Erica. The. Red. Made. It. Over. Here. First. So. His. Honest. Research. Even. When. He. Was. Wrong. Got. Him. Somewhere. And. That's. Right. I. Think. That's. Important. Like. We're. Dave. Was. He. You. Know. If. Dave. Had. His. Way. And. All. The. Podcasters. Did. What. He.
[10:52]
Matt
Was.
[10:53]
Duncan
Saying. We. Need. To. Change. The. Podcast. Space. And. Make. It. All. Science. Wouldn't. Advance. Scientists. Would. Be. As. He. Said. They. Don't. Like. Conflict. For. The. Most. Part. They. Would. Argue. With. Their. Friends. But. Dave's. Going. To.
[11:03]
Guest
Come.
[11:03]
Matt
Out.
[11:04]
Duncan
There. Any. One. Of. Them. That. Goes. Against. The. Status.
[11:06]
Matt
Quo.
[11:06]
Duncan
He's. Going. To. Be.
[11:07]
Guest
Yeah.
[11:07]
Duncan
You're. An. Idiot. You're. A. Bonehead. You're. A. Moron. You're. Stupid. He.
[11:11]
Guest
Believes.
[11:11]
Matt
That. He's. Combating. The. Toxicity.
[11:14]
Duncan
Of.
[11:14]
Matt
The. People. On. The. Other. Side. Which. That's.
[11:16]
Duncan
True. That.
[11:16]
Matt
People. Can. Be. Toxic. On. Both. Sides. On. Social. Media.
[11:19]
Duncan
Absolutely.
[11:19]
Guest
But.
[11:20]
Matt
To.
[11:20]
Duncan
Your. Point.
[11:20]
Guest
That.
[11:21]
Matt
You.
[11:21]
Guest
Were.
[11:21]
Duncan
Just.
[11:21]
Matt
Making. Before. That.
[11:22]
Duncan
Sorry.
[11:25]
Matt
The. Way. I.
[11:25]
Guest
Get.
[11:25]
Matt
Really. Interested. And. Learn. About. Stuff. And. Become. Like. A. A. Mediocre. Level. Expert. On. Certain. Things. Is. By. Hearing. The. Crazy.
[11:39]
Guest
Over.
[11:39]
Matt
The. Top. Claims. And. Speculations. About. Stuff. Like.
[11:44]
Guest
You.
[11:44]
Matt
Know. Hypothetical. Example. The. Pyramid. Was. A. Power. Plant. Like. If. I. See.
[11:49]
Guest
A.
[11:49]
Matt
Book. And. I. Read. The. Byline. Aerospace. Engineer.
[11:54]
Duncan
Reverse.
[11:54]
Matt
Engineered. The. Pyramid. And. Thinks. They. Were. A. Free. Energy. Thing. Or. Whatever. I'm. Gonna. Read. I. Read. The. Book. And. That. Led. Me. Down. Like. Sixteen. Other. Rabbit.
[12:03]
Duncan
Holes.
[12:04]
Matt
To. Figure. Out. Like. Is.
[12:05]
Duncan
This.
[12:05]
Matt
True. Could. This.
[12:05]
Guest
Be.
[12:06]
Duncan
Wrong.
[12:06]
Matt
I. Think.
[12:06]
Guest
It's.
[12:06]
Matt
True. I. Hope.
[12:07]
Duncan
It's. True.
[12:08]
Matt
Maybe.
[12:08]
Duncan
It. Could.
[12:09]
Guest
Be.
[12:09]
Matt
Wrong. And. Now. I'm. Following. All. These. Lines.
[12:11]
Duncan
Of.
[12:11]
Matt
Thinking. I'm. Reading. More. Stuff. I'm. I'm. Learning. More. I'm. Digesting.
[12:16]
Guest
More.
[12:16]
Matt
Knowledge. And. It. Gives. Me. A. Broader. Perspective. On. The. Whole. Thing. And. That's. A.
[12:21]
Duncan
Good.
[12:22]
Matt
Thing. That's.
[12:22]
Duncan
Absolutely.
[12:23]
Matt
A.
[12:23]
Duncan
Good. Thing. As. A. Matter.
[12:24]
Matt
Of.
[12:24]
Duncan
Fact. I. Would. Say. That's. Better. Christopher. Dunn's. A. Better. Science. Communicator.
[12:28]
Matt
Than.
[12:29]
Duncan
Dave. Farina. Because. Of. That. Exact. Sort. Of. Thing. He. Sends. People. Down.
[12:32]
Guest
That.
[12:32]
Duncan
Rabbit. Hole.
[12:33]
Matt
Yes.
[12:33]
Duncan
And. You. Know.
[12:34]
Matt
I.
[12:34]
Duncan
Watched. This. Happen. A. Couple. Years. Ago. On. X. With. Jimmy. He. Posted. That. Maybe. The. Nephilim. In. The. Bible. Is. Referring. To. Neanderthal.
[12:42]
Matt
Or.
[12:42]
Duncan
Denisovans. And. All.
[12:44]
Guest
The.
[12:44]
Duncan
Archaeologists. And. Debunkers. Oh. You're. So. Stupid.
[12:47]
Matt
Those. Were. Smaller.
[12:47]
Duncan
Than. Humans.
[12:48]
Guest
And.
[12:48]
Matt
The.
[12:48]
Duncan
Bible. Says. The.
[12:49]
Matt
Nephilim.
[12:49]
Duncan
Were. Taller. So. How.
[12:50]
Matt
Y'.
[12:50]
Duncan
All. You're. Such.
[12:51]
Matt
An.
[12:51]
Duncan
Idio. I. Let. This. Go.
[12:52]
Guest
For.
[12:52]
Duncan
Just. A. Couple.
[12:53]
Guest
Of.
[12:53]
Duncan
Days. Just. Watching. And.
[12:54]
Guest
I'm.
[12:54]
Duncan
Like. I. Want. To. Just. Show.
[12:55]
Guest
You.
[12:55]
Duncan
Dumbasses. How. To. Science. Communicate. Hey. Jim. There's. These. Ones. Are. Smaller. But. There's. Ones. That. Are. Bigger. Like. Gigantic. Pythagoras. Why.
[13:01]
Guest
Don't.
[13:01]
Duncan
You. Go. Check. It. Out. And. See. If. There's. One. That. Falls.
[13:03]
Guest
In.
[13:03]
Duncan
Line.
[13:03]
Guest
With.
[13:03]
Duncan
What. You're. Thinking. You. Can. Send. Him.
[13:05]
Matt
Down.
[13:05]
Duncan
A. Rabbit. Hole. And. Give.
[13:06]
Guest
Him.
[13:06]
Duncan
A. Little. Thread. And. Let. Him. Go. Or. You. Can. Say. You. Fucking. Idiot. What. Do. You.
[13:09]
Guest
Know. Right.
[13:11]
Duncan
Yeah. But. This. Is. One. Pays. Better. One. Pays. Better. You. Look. At. Dave's. Videos.
[13:16]
Guest
If.
[13:16]
Duncan
He's. Trying.
[13:16]
Guest
To.
[13:17]
Duncan
Educate. Somebody. On. Latin. He. Ain't. Even. Getting. Ten. Thousand. Views.
[13:20]
Matt
I'm.
[13:20]
Duncan
Dead. Serious. You. Look. It's. Consistently. That. Way. But. If. He's. Going. After. Somebody. Now. He. Gets. Big. Views.
[13:26]
Matt
Yeah.
[13:27]
Duncan
And. So. It's. It's. Incentivized.
[13:29]
Matt
Yeah. It's. It's. It's.
[13:31]
Duncan
All.
[13:31]
Matt
Incentivized. Right. Like. Nobody.
[13:33]
Guest
Would.
[13:33]
Matt
Be. Doing.
[13:34]
Duncan
Any.
[13:34]
Matt
Of. This. Stuff. If.
[13:35]
Duncan
For.
[13:35]
Matt
The. Most. Part.
[13:35]
Duncan
If.
[13:36]
Matt
It. Didn't.
[13:36]
Guest
Earn. A.
[13:36]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Money.
[13:37]
Matt
And.
[13:37]
Guest
One.
[13:37]
Duncan
Of. The. Things.
[13:37]
Matt
I. Think. About. Too. Is. Like. I. I. Often. Think. About. What. Scientists. Or. Researchers.
[13:45]
Duncan
Or.
[13:45]
Matt
Archaeologists. Or. Whatever. Profession. You.
[13:47]
Duncan
Want.
[13:47]
Matt
To.
[13:47]
Duncan
Say.
[13:48]
Matt
It.
[13:48]
Duncan
Is.
[13:48]
Matt
Whatever. Whatever. Area. Of. Study. Imagine.
[13:52]
Duncan
The.
[13:52]
Matt
People. In.
[13:53]
Duncan
All. Of. Those.
[13:54]
Matt
In.
[13:55]
Guest
All.
[13:55]
Duncan
Of. Those.
[13:55]
Matt
Professions. Who. Are. Sitting. In. Their. Chambers. Or. Sitting. Sitting.
[14:00]
Guest
In.
[14:00]
Matt
Their. Their. Institution. Their. Academic. Institution. Or. In.
[14:04]
Duncan
Their.
[14:04]
Matt
Labs. Or. Whatever. It. Might. Be.
[14:06]
Duncan
Who.
[14:07]
Matt
Don't.
[14:08]
Guest
Pay.
[14:08]
Matt
Attention. To. Any. Media. Stuff. They. Don't. Pay. Attention. To. Any. Podcast. Stuff. And. They're. Actually. Doing. Like. Cutting. Edge. Stuff. But. They. Don't. Have. Any. Overlap. With. Like. The. Public. World. Whatsoever. And. I'm. Wondering. Like. How. Much.
[14:20]
Duncan
Of. Those.
[14:21]
Matt
People. Are. Out. There. That. Have. Never. Been. In. Front. Of. A. Microphone. Before. And. How. Different. Is. Their. View. Of. All. This. Stuff. From.
[14:30]
Duncan
The.
[14:30]
Matt
People. Who. Are. Always. On. A. Microphone. And. Writing. Books. And. Stuff.
[14:34]
Duncan
Really. Good. Things.
[14:35]
Matt
You. Know.
[14:36]
Guest
What.
[14:36]
Duncan
I.
[14:36]
Matt
Mean. Like. Like.
[14:37]
Guest
Are.
[14:37]
Matt
They. It. It's. Possible. That. There.
[14:39]
Duncan
Are. Two.
[14:40]
Matt
Separate. Universes.
[14:41]
Duncan
Yeah.
[14:41]
Matt
Of. Truth.
[14:43]
Duncan
No. I. Get. Exactly. What. You're.
[14:44]
Guest
Saying.
[14:44]
Duncan
Because.
[14:45]
Matt
Those.
[14:45]
Duncan
People.
[14:45]
Matt
Don't. They. Have.
[14:46]
Duncan
No.
[14:46]
Matt
Incentive.
[14:47]
Duncan
To.
[14:47]
Guest
Ever.
[14:47]
Matt
Go.
[14:47]
Duncan
On.
[14:47]
Matt
A. Microphone. And.
[14:48]
Duncan
Talk.
[14:48]
Guest
On.
[14:48]
Matt
A. Podcast. They're. Probably.
[14:50]
Duncan
Scared.
[14:50]
Matt
Of. Doing. It.
[14:51]
Duncan
For.
[14:51]
Matt
Whatever. Repercussions. They. Would. Get. Like. From. Their. University. Or. Whatever.
[14:57]
Duncan
And.
[14:57]
Matt
There's.
[14:58]
Duncan
No.
[14:58]
Guest
Money.
[14:58]
Matt
For. Them. To.
[14:58]
Guest
Make.
[14:58]
Matt
They.
[14:59]
Guest
Don't.
[14:59]
Matt
Have. The. Time. To.
[14:59]
Duncan
Do.
[15:00]
Matt
It. Well. And.
[15:01]
Duncan
Not. Just. That.
[15:02]
Guest
I.
[15:02]
Duncan
Think. That. It's. You. Know. There's. A. Lot. Of. Self. Selection. There. Too. You. Know. If. You. Look. When. When. We. Were. Kids. And. You. Go. On. If. You. Wanted. To. See. A. Goofy. Scientist. That. Wasn't. A. Carl. Sagan. You'd. Have. To. Like. Turn. On. Pbs. At. Like. Two.
[15:16]
Guest
In. The.
[15:16]
Duncan
Morning.
[15:16]
Matt
And.
[15:17]
Duncan
Then. You'd. Find. That. Dude. With.
[15:18]
Matt
The.
[15:18]
Duncan
Wacky. Hair. Telling. You. But. Generally. Speaking. You. Got. An. Articulate. You're. The. Kind. Of. Guy. You. Wouldn't. Mind. Taking. Your.
[15:23]
Matt
Daughter. Out.
[15:24]
Duncan
That's. What. You. Used. To. Get. From. A. Scientist. But. Now. Because. Any. Dumbass. Can. Put. A. Microphone. In. Front. Of. Him. Now. We. All. See. That. They're. Okay. You. Guys.
[15:31]
Matt
Are.
[15:31]
Duncan
Kind. Of. A. Little. Goofy. In. The. Brain. And. That's. A. Good. Thing. As.
[15:37]
Guest
Far.
[15:37]
Duncan
As. I. Mean. Look. At. Einstein. He's. Walking. Around. With. His. Shoes. Untied. And. His. Hair. Unkempt. And. You. Know. Looking. At. The. Same. Time. If. This. Person's. Trying. To. Communicate. To. The. World. And. Explain. This. Stuff. Man. You. Kind. Of. Some.
[15:49]
Guest
Of.
[15:49]
Duncan
These. Guys. Need. Handlers.
[15:50]
Matt
I.
[15:50]
Duncan
Guess. Is. The. Best. Way. Of. Putting. It. They. Really. Do. It's. Like. Jesus. Christ.
[15:53]
Matt
Well.
[15:53]
Duncan
It's.
[15:53]
Matt
Very. I've. Noticed. I. Think. It's. Pretty. Rare. To. Find. Somebody. Who. Is. Really. Proficient. And. Dialed. In. What. Their. Profession. Is. Or. What.
[16:04]
Duncan
Their.
[16:04]
Matt
Area. Of. Research. Is. And.
[16:06]
Duncan
Also.
[16:07]
Matt
At. The. Same. Time. Be. A. Really.
[16:08]
Duncan
Good.
[16:08]
Matt
Communicator.
[16:09]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. Extremely. Rare.
[16:11]
Matt
It's. Often. They. Don't.
[16:12]
Duncan
Go.
[16:12]
Matt
Hand. In. Hand. You.
[16:12]
Duncan
Know. I. Would. Completely.
[16:13]
Matt
Agree.
[16:15]
Duncan
That's. They. Call. Them. Public. Facing. Scientists. When. They.
[16:18]
Matt
Kind. Of.
[16:19]
Duncan
Tap.
[16:19]
Guest
Out.
[16:19]
Duncan
Of. The. The. Mainstream. Trying.
[16:23]
Matt
To.
[16:23]
Duncan
Publish. Papers. And. They. Just. Kind.
[16:24]
Matt
Of.
[16:24]
Duncan
Turn. And. Start. Making. YouTube. Content.
[16:26]
Guest
Or.
[16:27]
Duncan
Whatever. Right. And. It's.
[16:30]
Guest
Kind.
[16:30]
Duncan
Of. An. Insult.
[16:31]
Guest
In.
[16:31]
Duncan
The. Scientific. Community. Sagan. Dealt. With. That. He. Got. A.
[16:33]
Guest
Lot.
[16:33]
Duncan
Of. Shit. From. His. Colleagues. Because. The. Assumption. Is. If. You.
[16:36]
Guest
You.
[16:36]
Duncan
Know. If. If. You. Can't. Those. Who. Can't. Do. Teach. Right.
[16:38]
Matt
Yeah. Months. Ago. I. Started. To. Realize. My. Sleep.
[16:41]
Duncan
Was.
[16:41]
Matt
Getting.
[16:41]
Guest
Way.
[16:41]
Matt
Worse.
[16:42]
Duncan
I.
[16:42]
Guest
Would.
[16:42]
Matt
Get.
[16:42]
Duncan
Into.
[16:43]
Matt
Bed. Tired. But. It. Would. Take. Me.
[16:44]
Duncan
Too. Long.
[16:44]
Matt
To.
[16:44]
Duncan
Fall.
[16:45]
Matt
Asleep. And. When. I. Woke.
[16:46]
Duncan
Up.
[16:46]
Matt
I. Feel.
[16:46]
Guest
Like.
[16:46]
Matt
I. Never. Really. Shut. Down. And. Once. Your. Sleep. Goes.
[16:49]
Guest
Then.
[16:49]
Duncan
Your.
[16:49]
Matt
Day. Is. Down. The. Drain. That's.
[16:51]
Guest
What.
[16:51]
Matt
Led. Me. To. Ultra's. Sleep. Pouches.
[16:52]
Guest
And.
[16:53]
Matt
The. Difference. Has. Been.
[16:53]
Guest
Huge.
[16:54]
Matt
I.
[16:54]
Guest
Like.
[16:54]
Matt
That.
[16:54]
Guest
They're.
[16:55]
Matt
Built. To. Help.
[16:55]
Guest
You.
[16:55]
Matt
Wind. Down. Without.
[16:56]
Duncan
The.
[16:56]
Matt
Usual. Problems. A. Lot.
[16:57]
Duncan
Of.
[16:58]
Matt
Sleep. Stuff. Either. Hits. Too. Hard. Or. Doesn't.
[17:00]
Guest
Last.
[17:00]
Matt
Long. Enough. Or.
[17:01]
Guest
It.
[17:01]
Matt
Leaves.
[17:01]
Guest
You.
[17:01]
Matt
Feeling.
[17:02]
Duncan
Groggy.
[17:02]
Matt
The.
[17:02]
Duncan
Next.
[17:02]
Matt
Morning. Ultra. Took. The. Pouch. Format. And. Flipped.
[17:05]
Guest
It.
[17:05]
Matt
Into. Something. Designed.
[17:06]
Duncan
For.
[17:06]
Matt
Sleep. They.
[17:07]
Guest
Use.
[17:07]
Matt
Six. Clean. Backed. Ingredients. One. Milligram. Of. Melatonin. Plus. L. Theanine. Magnesium. Chamomile. Passion. Flour. And. Lemon. Balm. So. It's.
[17:15]
Duncan
Not.
[17:15]
Matt
Just. One. Ingredient. Doing. One. Job. It's.
[17:17]
Duncan
A. Full.
[17:17]
Matt
System. Designed.
[17:18]
Guest
To.
[17:18]
Matt
Help. You.
[17:19]
Duncan
Fall.
[17:19]
Matt
Asleep. Faster. Stay. Asleep. Longer. And. Wake. Up. Feeling. Refreshed. It. Kicks. In. In. About. Fifteen. Minutes. And. For. Me.
[17:25]
Guest
I've.
[17:25]
Matt
Been. Falling. Asleep. Quicker. Getting. Deeper. Sleep. And. Waking. Up. Feeling. Normal. Again.
[17:29]
Guest
No.
[17:29]
Matt
Next.
[17:30]
Guest
Morning.
[17:30]
Matt
Brain. Fog. No. Feeling. Weighed.
[17:31]
Duncan
Down.
[17:32]
Matt
Just. Better. Sleep.
[17:33]
Guest
Ultra.
[17:34]
Matt
Sleep. Pouches. Deliver. Better. Deeper.
[17:35]
Duncan
Sleep.
[17:36]
Matt
With. Properly. Dosed.
[17:37]
Duncan
And.
[17:37]
Matt
Natural. Ingredients. New. Customers. Can.
[17:39]
Guest
Use.
[17:39]
Matt
The. Code. Dann.
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Guest
To. Get.
[17:40]
Matt
Fifteen. Off. At. Take. Ultra. Dot. Com. That's. T. A. K. Dash. E. Dash. U. Dash. L. Dash. T. Dash. R. Dash.
[17:45]
Guest
A.
[17:45]
Matt
Dot.
[17:45]
Duncan
Com.
[17:46]
Matt
For. Fifteen. Off. When. You. Use. The. Code. Danny. After. You.
[17:49]
Guest
Purchase.
[17:50]
Matt
They're.
[17:50]
Duncan
Gonna. Ask. Where.
[17:50]
Guest
You.
[17:50]
Matt
Heard.
[17:50]
Guest
About.
[17:50]
Duncan
Them.
[17:51]
Matt
And. Please. Support.
[17:51]
Guest
Our.
[17:51]
Matt
Show. And. Tell. Them.
[17:52]
Guest
We.
[17:52]
Matt
Sent. You. Dude.
[17:53]
Guest
I.
[17:53]
Matt
Just.
[17:53]
Duncan
Had.
[17:53]
Matt
A. Guy.
[17:54]
Guest
On.
[17:54]
Matt
My. Podcast. The. Other.
[17:55]
Duncan
Day.
[17:55]
Matt
That. Was. Telling. Me. That.
[17:56]
Guest
He.
[17:56]
Duncan
Was.
[17:57]
Matt
At.
[17:57]
Guest
A. Meeting.
[17:57]
Matt
At. The. Nsa.
[17:58]
Duncan
And.
[17:59]
Matt
He. Walked. Into.
[18:00]
Duncan
It.
[18:00]
Matt
This. Was. I.
[18:01]
Duncan
Think. He.
[18:01]
Matt
Said. Was. Talking.
[18:02]
Duncan
About.
[18:02]
Matt
Sagan. Right. I'm.
[18:03]
Duncan
Pretty. Sure.
[18:03]
Matt
He. Was. He. Walked. Into.
[18:04]
Duncan
An.
[18:05]
Matt
Nsa.
[18:05]
Duncan
Room.
[18:06]
Matt
Meeting. And. Carl. Sagan. Was. Sitting.
[18:08]
Duncan
There.
[18:09]
Matt
With. The. Contractor. Badge. On.
[18:11]
Duncan
I. Completely. Believe.
[18:13]
Matt
Right. He. Was. That. Was.
[18:14]
Duncan
Carl.
[18:14]
Matt
Sagan. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
[18:16]
Duncan
That's. Crazy. This. Dude.
[18:17]
Guest
Was.
[18:17]
Matt
Tapped. Into. The. Nsa.
[18:19]
Duncan
I. Believe. It. I. Mean. He. Was. He. Was. But. He. Was. A. Brilliant. Science. Communicator. Like. The. Way. One. Of.
[18:26]
Guest
The.
[18:27]
Duncan
Things. I. Loved. About. Him. Was. When. People. Came. To. Him. With. Questions. About. Aliens.
[18:31]
Matt
Yeah.
[18:31]
Duncan
Like. There. Was. One. Question. Where. A. Person. Was. Like. What. Kind. Of. Technology. Do. You. Think. They. Have.
[18:36]
Guest
Around.
[18:36]
Duncan
Alpha. Centauri. And. Of. Course. They. Look. For. A. Split. Second. You. See.
[18:40]
Matt
It.
[18:40]
Guest
In.
[18:40]
Duncan
His. Eyes. Like.
[18:41]
Matt
How. The.
[18:41]
Duncan
Am. I. Supposed. To. Know. Well. You. Know. A. Few. Billion. Years. Older. Than. Earth. So. Assuming. The. Blah. Blah. Blah.
[18:48]
Guest
And.
[18:48]
Duncan
Then.
[18:48]
Matt
You.
[18:48]
Duncan
Have. These. Different. Things. So.
[18:49]
Guest
Maybe.
[18:50]
Duncan
They.
[18:50]
Guest
Would.
[18:50]
Matt
Have.
[18:50]
Duncan
It. He. Answers. The. Question. And. Then. Like. I. Was. Saying. Earlier. He. Leaves. These. Threads. So. That. Go. Research. More. Go. Research. More. Go. Learn. And. I. You. Know. I. Think. It's. Largely. Because. Of. Him. That. At. Least. I'd. Say. At.
[19:03]
Guest
Least.
[19:03]
Duncan
Half. The. Population. Knows. That. When. We. Look. At. A.
[19:06]
Matt
Star.
[19:06]
Duncan
And. Break. Down. The. Light. On. A. Spectrum. We. Can. Actually. Determine. The. Different. Elements.
[19:11]
Matt
And.
[19:11]
Duncan
Stuff.
[19:11]
Matt
Yeah.
[19:12]
Duncan
Yeah. And. I. Would. Attribute. That. To. Sagan. He. Was. He. That's.
[19:17]
Matt
A.
[19:17]
Duncan
Kind. Of. Esoteric. Little. Bit. Of. Sciencey. Stuff. That. Actually. Kicks. The. Tide. Pushes. Against. Skepticism. Of. Astronomy. How. The.
[19:25]
Matt
Fuck.
[19:25]
Duncan
Do. You. Know. What. That. Star. Is. He's. Addressed. It. And. So. Anyway. I. Think. You. Know. Of. Course. He. Got. Paid. By. Ksps. He. Didn't. Have. To. Fight. By. Clicks. Right. So. He.
[19:35]
Matt
Got.
[19:36]
Guest
Paid.
[19:36]
Matt
By. What.
[19:36]
Duncan
Like. Oh. Sorry. That's. That's. The. Spokane. Pbs. Station. Sorry.
[19:40]
Matt
Oh.
[19:41]
Duncan
Sorry. He. Got. Paid.
[19:42]
Guest
By.
[19:42]
Duncan
Pbs. And.
[19:43]
Matt
Other.
[19:43]
Duncan
Things. Like. That. A.
[19:44]
Matt
Lot.
[19:44]
Duncan
Of. The. Time. Like. Clearly. The. Government. Too. I'm. Guessing.
[19:47]
Matt
Well. This. Gentleman. Who. Said. He. Saw. Sagan. He. Said. This. Was. Later. In. Sagan's. Career. And. I. Was. Listening.
[19:52]
Guest
To.
[19:52]
Matt
Jesse. Michaels. Talk. About. Sagan. And.
[19:54]
Guest
He.
[19:54]
Duncan
Was.
[19:54]
Matt
Saying. I'm. Not. A. Historian.
[19:55]
Duncan
On. Carl.
[19:56]
Matt
Sagan. By.
[19:56]
Guest
Any.
[19:56]
Matt
Stretch. Of.
[19:57]
Guest
The.
[19:57]
Matt
Imagination. But. What. Jesse.
[19:58]
Duncan
Was.
[19:58]
Matt
Saying. Was. That. Early. On. In. Sagan's. Career. He. Was. Very. Outspoken. About. Like. Extraterrestrial. Life. And. All.
[20:05]
Guest
This.
[20:05]
Matt
Stuff.
[20:06]
Guest
And.
[20:06]
Matt
He's.
[20:06]
Guest
Like.
[20:06]
Matt
Later. On. He. Kind.
[20:07]
Duncan
Of.
[20:07]
Matt
Switched. His. Tune. And. Started. Being. More. Skeptical. Of. It. And.
[20:11]
Guest
I.
[20:12]
Matt
Was. Wondering. If. That. Maybe. Coincides. To. When.
[20:13]
Duncan
He.
[20:14]
Guest
Started.
[20:14]
Matt
Working. With. Spooks.
[20:17]
Duncan
Probably. I. Mean. That's. To. Sound. Conspiratorial. But. These. Kinds. Of. Things. You. Know. Doing. What. I. Do. For. A. Living. Now. You. Know. Ufo's. Are.
[20:26]
Guest
An.
[20:26]
Duncan
Interesting. Place. To. Dip. Your. Fingers. Into. But. It's. Also. The. CIA. Has. Been. Fucking. With. That. Since. Before.
[20:31]
Guest
My.
[20:32]
Duncan
Dad.
[20:32]
Guest
Was. Born.
[20:32]
Duncan
Man. This. Is. So. Hard. To. Determine. Fact. From. Fiction. So. Hard. Is. This. Newspaper. Clipping. Real. Or. Not. I. Mean. I.
[20:39]
Guest
Mean.
[20:41]
Duncan
Good.
[20:41]
Matt
Luck.
[20:42]
Duncan
Right. So. All. That. Stuff. It. Ends. Up. Like. There's. A. Few. Of. Them. Though. That. Really. Do. Stick. With. Me. The. Foo. Fighters.
[20:48]
Matt
From.
[20:48]
Duncan
World. War. Two. When. You. Got. The. Japanese. And. The. Americans. And. The. Germans. All. Going. Man.
[20:52]
Matt
I.
[20:52]
Duncan
Don't. Know.
[20:52]
Matt
What.
[20:52]
Duncan
The.
[20:52]
Matt
Fuck.
[20:52]
Duncan
These. Things. Are. I. Hope. They're. Not. The. Better. Guys. They. Didn't. Get. Together. On. This. One. So. There's. A. Few. Things. Like. That. That. Do. Kind. Of. Pass. All. Of. The. Litmus. Tests. Of. CIA. Couldn't. Fix. That. One. Right.
[21:05]
Matt
Right. Oh. Also. Like. In. Ancient. Text.
[21:07]
Guest
Like.
[21:08]
Duncan
In.
[21:08]
Matt
The. Bible. There's. Descriptions.
[21:09]
Duncan
Of.
[21:09]
Matt
Things. That. Match. Ufo.
[21:11]
Duncan
The. Nuremberg. Thing. Right. From.
[21:13]
Matt
The.
[21:13]
Duncan
Fifteen. Hundreds. For. Example.
[21:15]
Matt
Oh. Yeah.
[21:15]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah.
[21:16]
Matt
Yeah.
[21:16]
Guest
And.
[21:16]
Matt
There's. Another. One. Where. This. Guy. Richard. Dolan.
[21:19]
Duncan
Made.
[21:19]
Matt
A. A. A. Really. Cool.
[21:21]
Duncan
Book.
[21:22]
Matt
Recently.
[21:22]
Guest
On. Like.
[21:22]
Duncan
The.
[21:23]
Guest
History.
[21:23]
Matt
Of. Underwater. Objects. Like. Underwater. Submerged. Unidentified. Objects. And. There. Was.
[21:29]
Guest
One.
[21:29]
Matt
About. This. Like. This. Ship. In.
[21:30]
Guest
The.
[21:30]
Matt
Middle. Ages. Or. Something. Like. That. That. Was. Sailing. Off. Of.
[21:36]
Guest
The.
[21:36]
Matt
I. Want.
[21:36]
Duncan
To.
[21:36]
Matt
Say. It. Was.
[21:37]
Duncan
The.
[21:37]
Matt
West. Coast. Of. South. America. And.
[21:41]
Guest
In.
[21:41]
Matt
Like. The. Middle. Of. The. Night.
[21:42]
Duncan
Like.
[21:42]
Matt
A. Football. Stadium. Sized. Glowing. Sphere. Rose. Out.
[21:47]
Duncan
Of.
[21:47]
Matt
The. Ocean. And. They. Were. They. They. Found. These. Like. Old. Texts. Of. These. Sailors. They. Wrote. This. Down.
[21:53]
Duncan
And.
[21:53]
Matt
Explained. This. Whole. Account.
[21:55]
Duncan
That's. Yeah.
[21:55]
Matt
That. Wasn't. Lockheed. Martin.
[21:57]
Duncan
No. Exactly. Yeah. But. These. It's. It's. Unfortunate. Because. In.
[22:02]
Guest
The.
[22:02]
Duncan
Modern. Day. Now. We. Can't. You. Know. It's. Hard. To. Trust.
[22:05]
Matt
Yeah. Yeah.
[22:05]
Duncan
Like. I. Was. Just. In. Sedona. Like.
[22:07]
Guest
I.
[22:07]
Duncan
Was. Saying. Sedona. Arizona's. Got. They. Call. It. Secret. Mountain. I'm. Sure. There's. A. Real. Name.
[22:11]
Guest
Name.
[22:11]
Duncan
For. It. But. That's. What. Everybody. Calls. Because. You. Look.
[22:13]
Matt
At.
[22:13]
Duncan
It. At. Night. Put. On. Night. Vision. Goggles. I. Saw. My. First. Ufo's. Dozens. Of. Them.
[22:17]
Matt
Really.
[22:17]
Duncan
And. They. Did. Weird. Like. You're. Watching. The. Cloud. And. Then. Six. Of. Them. Appear. And.
[22:21]
Guest
They.
[22:21]
Duncan
Move. In. A. Pattern.
[22:22]
Guest
And.
[22:22]
Duncan
They. Disappear. But. It's.
[22:24]
Matt
All.
[22:24]
Duncan
Happening. Over. One. Mountain. So. To. Me. It. Seems. Pretty. Obvious. That. You. Know. This. Is. It's. Government. Right. There. Right. I. Mean. They've. Got. Toys. That. Are. I. Would. Think. It's. Way. More. Likely. That. That's. Government. Than. If. It's. In. One. Spot. I. Don't. Think. Aliens. Would. Come.
[22:37]
Matt
Down.
[22:37]
Duncan
And. Just. Like. Ah. We're. Going.
[22:38]
Guest
To.
[22:38]
Duncan
Use. This. Mountain. And. Let. People. See. Us. Flying. Around.
[22:41]
Matt
Yeah.
[22:41]
Duncan
Most.
[22:41]
Matt
Likely.
[22:42]
Guest
I.
[22:42]
Matt
Would. Say. I. Would. Say. It's. Just. Hard.
[22:44]
Duncan
To. Know. Man.
[22:45]
Matt
It's. The.
[22:45]
Guest
Way.
[22:46]
Matt
With.
[22:46]
Guest
The.
[22:46]
Matt
Internet.
[22:47]
Duncan
And. The.
[22:47]
Matt
Way. The. Internet. Is. Right. Now. It's.
[22:48]
Duncan
Just.
[22:49]
Matt
So.
[22:49]
Duncan
Easy.
[22:49]
Matt
To. Confuse. People.
[22:50]
Duncan
Oh. Man. I. Remember. When. I.
[22:51]
Matt
Thought.
[22:51]
Duncan
The. Internet. Was.
[22:52]
Guest
Going. To.
[22:52]
Matt
Be.
[22:53]
Duncan
Like. The. Saving. Grace. Of. Humanity. We. Were.
[22:55]
Guest
Going.
[22:55]
Duncan
To. Open. The.
[22:56]
Guest
Doors.
[22:56]
Duncan
Nobody. Could. Block. Knowledge. Anymore. It's. Going. To.
[22:58]
Matt
Be.
[22:58]
Duncan
Great. Nah. Man. Instead. We. Get. Everything. From. People. That. Claim. To. Be. Debunkers. That. Lie. About. Half. The. Shit. They. Say. And. On. The. Other. End. Of. The. Spectrum. We. Get. The. Satanic. Overlords. That.
[23:10]
Matt
Are.
[23:10]
Duncan
Taking. Over. The. World. And. Then. On. Top. Of. All. This.
[23:13]
Matt
We.
[23:13]
Duncan
Find. Out. That. They. Really. Are. Eating. Babies.
[23:16]
Matt
So.
[23:17]
Duncan
Then. It's. Like. Shut. I. Was. Already. Having.
[23:20]
Guest
A.
[23:20]
Duncan
Hard. Time. At. Thanksgiving. Trying. To. Shut.
[23:21]
Matt
Up.
[23:22]
Duncan
My. Uncles. About. You.
[23:23]
Matt
Know.
[23:23]
Duncan
The. The. Tv's. Listening. To. Us. After. That. Came. Out. They. Just. Would. Not. Shut. Up. Now. Thanksgiving's.
[23:28]
Matt
Gonna.
[23:28]
Duncan
Be. Horrible.
[23:29]
Matt
This.
[23:29]
Duncan
Year. Do.
[23:31]
Matt
You.
[23:31]
Guest
Know. They.
[23:31]
Matt
Were.
[23:32]
Duncan
Right. They're.
[23:32]
Matt
Eating.
[23:32]
Duncan
Babies.
[23:33]
Matt
I'll. Be.
[23:33]
Duncan
Eating.
[23:33]
Matt
A.
[23:33]
Duncan
Turkey.
[23:34]
Matt
Who. What. Your. Family. Members.
[23:35]
Duncan
Are. Some. Of. Them. Some.
[23:37]
Guest
Of. Them.
[23:37]
Duncan
Get. Pretty. Pretty. Spicy. With. That. Stuff. And. I.
[23:39]
Guest
Didn't.
[23:39]
Duncan
I. You. Know. The. Guys. That. Were. The. Guys. That. Were. Screaming. Pizzagate. Fifteen. Years. Ago. And. Being. Called. A. Bunch. Of. Names. And. Shit. Now. Man. They. Feel. Pretty. Vindicated.
[23:47]
Matt
They're. Vindicated.
[23:48]
Duncan
Yeah. Which. That. Was. That. Was. Cute. Too. When. You.
[23:51]
Matt
Had.
[23:52]
Duncan
Farina. On. Here. And. He. Was. He. Was. Like. Well. I've. Never. Changed. My. Position. On. Any. Conspiracy. It's.
[23:58]
Matt
Like.
[23:58]
Guest
Right. Right.
[23:59]
Duncan
What. About. That. One. I'm. Sure. That. He. Was. Totally. On. Board. With. Qanon. Back. In.
[24:04]
Matt
The.
[24:04]
Duncan
Day. Clearly. Not. Right. But. Then. He. Was.
[24:07]
Matt
Like.
[24:07]
Guest
Well.
[24:07]
Duncan
You.
[24:08]
Guest
Know.
[24:08]
Matt
I.
[24:08]
Duncan
Was. Always. And. What. Really. Was. Funny.
[24:09]
Matt
About.
[24:09]
Duncan
That. He.
[24:10]
Matt
Was. Always.
[24:10]
Duncan
Skeptical.
[24:11]
Guest
Of.
[24:11]
Duncan
Those. Because. Because. You. Know. I. I'm.
[24:14]
Matt
I'm.
[24:14]
Duncan
Anti. Zionist. And. It's. Like. Wait. A. Minute. Are.
[24:16]
Guest
You.
[24:16]
Duncan
Saying. You. Are.
[24:18]
Matt
You. Saying.
[24:18]
Duncan
You. Thought. He. Ate. Babies.
[24:19]
Matt
Because.
[24:20]
Duncan
He. Was. A. Jew. Is.
[24:20]
Guest
That.
[24:21]
Matt
What.
[24:21]
Duncan
I'm. Hearing. You. Saying. Right.
[24:22]
Matt
Now.
[24:23]
Guest
Dude.
[24:23]
Duncan
And. I. I. I. I. Listening. To. Him. Talk. About. That. Stuff. But.
[24:28]
Matt
He's. Anti. Zionist. Because. His. Wife's. Palestinian.
[24:29]
Duncan
Yeah. But. Now. He's. But. His. Reasoning.
[24:32]
Matt
For.
[24:32]
Duncan
I. Always. Thought. There. Was. Something. Going. On.
[24:34]
Guest
With.
[24:34]
Duncan
Jeffrey. Epstein. Steam. Why. I. Mean.
[24:38]
Matt
Right.
[24:38]
Duncan
That's. What. Where. I. Was. Like. Well. What's. Is. It. Because. His. Last. Name's. Sting. Or. Is. This. Is. Having. Flashbacks. To. Mel. Gibson. Would. You. Got. A. Dog. In. This. Fight. Levi.
[24:48]
Matt
Yeah. I.
[24:48]
Duncan
Don't. Know. If. You. Remember. That. Clip. From. Twenty.
[24:50]
Guest
Years.
[24:50]
Duncan
Ago. Sorry. I've.
[24:52]
Guest
Been.
[24:53]
Duncan
On.
[24:53]
Guest
The.
[24:53]
Matt
Internet. No. I. Think.
[24:57]
Guest
People.
[24:57]
Matt
Had.
[24:58]
Guest
An.
[24:58]
Matt
Idea. What. What. Jeffrey. Epstein. Was.
[25:00]
Duncan
All.
[25:00]
Matt
About. When.
[25:00]
Duncan
He. First. Got.
[25:00]
Matt
Arrested.
[25:01]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah.
[25:02]
Matt
I. Think.
[25:03]
Guest
Even.
[25:03]
Matt
Though.
[25:04]
Duncan
He.
[25:04]
Matt
Wasn't. Like. In. The. Spotlight. But.
[25:05]
Duncan
I. Think.
[25:05]
Matt
That. Vanity. Fair. Article. Kind. Of.
[25:06]
Duncan
Like.
[25:06]
Guest
Blew.
[25:07]
Duncan
The.
[25:07]
Matt
Lid. Off. Everything.
[25:08]
Duncan
Yeah.
[25:08]
Matt
And. And. People.
[25:09]
Guest
That.
[25:09]
Matt
Were. It. Wasn't. Reported. About. Widely. But. I. Think. People. Had.
[25:15]
Duncan
A. Good.
[25:15]
Matt
Idea. And. It's. Also. Interesting. That. You. Know.
[25:18]
Duncan
He.
[25:18]
Matt
Was. Also. Very. Interested. In.
[25:20]
Duncan
All.
[25:20]
Matt
This. Ancient. History. Stuff.
[25:22]
Guest
In.
[25:23]
Matt
Atlantis.
[25:23]
Duncan
Very. Interested.
[25:24]
Matt
Him. And. Especially. Ghislaine. Maxwell. Was.
[25:26]
Duncan
Like.
[25:26]
Matt
Super. Interested.
[25:27]
Duncan
In.
[25:27]
Matt
Atlantis.
[25:27]
Duncan
She.
[25:27]
Matt
Even. Started. This. Like. Terra. Martin. Foundation. Organization. Where. It. Was. Like. It. Was. A. I. Believe.
[25:35]
Guest
It.
[25:35]
Matt
Was.
[25:35]
Duncan
A.
[25:35]
Matt
Non. Profit. Or. Something. Like. This. All. About. Like. Escaping. Laws. In.
[25:40]
Guest
The.
[25:40]
Matt
Ocean. And. Like. Creating. A. Seafaring. Civilization. And. They.
[25:43]
Duncan
Were. She.
[25:44]
Matt
Was. Trying. To. Find. There. Was. A. There. Was.
[25:48]
Duncan
Like.
[25:48]
Guest
A. An.
[25:49]
Matt
Abandoned. Military. Platform. Off. The. Coast. Of. Spain. I. Believe. And. They. Were. Looking. At. Like. Turning. That. Into. Its. Own. Like. Autonomous. This. Country. Wow. That. They. Could. Operate. On. And.
[26:01]
Duncan
I.
[26:02]
Matt
Think. Google. Ended. Up. Purchasing. It. To. To. House. Their. Servers. And. Anyways. There. She. Was. She.
[26:08]
Duncan
Had.
[26:08]
Matt
A. Submarine. Called. The. Atlantis. And. She.
[26:10]
Duncan
Was.
[26:11]
Matt
Constantly. Exploring. Off.
[26:12]
Duncan
The.
[26:12]
Matt
Coast. Of. Cuba.
[26:13]
Duncan
And. Stuff. I. Noticed.
[26:14]
Guest
That.
[26:14]
Duncan
She. Was. Looking. For. The. Cuban. Pyramid.
[26:15]
Matt
She.
[26:16]
Duncan
Was.
[26:16]
Matt
Looking. For. That. There. And. And. People. Think. I. Mean. When. She. Went. When.
[26:21]
Duncan
She.
[26:21]
Matt
Went. Off. The. Radar. After. Epstein. Died.
[26:24]
Guest
And.
[26:24]
Matt
Was. Hiding. She.
[26:26]
Duncan
She's.
[26:26]
Matt
Changed. Her. Name.
[26:26]
Duncan
To.
[26:26]
Matt
Janet. Atlantis. How. Crazy. Is. That.
[26:30]
Duncan
If. I. Ever. Go. Into. Hiding. I'm. Change. My. Name. To. Frank. Sasquatch. Tanks.
[26:36]
Matt
Frank. Sasquatch.
[26:36]
Duncan
Dane. Nobody. Will. Ever.
[26:38]
Matt
Find.
[26:39]
Duncan
Me. But. Yeah. That. Shit. Is. So. Weird. It's. Like. And. And. You. Know. We. Were. Saying. Before. The. Podcast. About. Like. We. Live. In. A. Time. When. People. Can. Choose. Pick. And. Choose. Their. Scientists. Like. They. Pick. And. Choose. Their. Politicians. They. Can. Just. Kind. Of. Make. Up. Their. Own. Truce. As. They. You. Can. Always. Find. Somebody. With. Credentials. It'll. Back. Up. Anything.
[27:01]
Guest
You.
[27:01]
Duncan
Want. To. Believe.
[27:01]
Matt
Yeah.
[27:02]
Duncan
And. That. Puts. Us. In. A. Weird. Spot. When. We've. Well. Now. The. Government. Can. Release. This. Kind. Of. Stuff. We. Saw. It. With. The. Clinton. Emails. Before. Where. It's. Like. These. Get. Released. And. People. Treat. It. Like. Tinfoil. Hat. Nuttery. And. It's.
[27:17]
Guest
Like.
[27:17]
Duncan
Well.
[27:18]
Matt
Hold.
[27:18]
Duncan
The. Phone. Bro. This. Isn't. Tinfoil. Hat. Nuttery. But. A. Huge. Swath. Of.
[27:23]
Matt
The.
[27:23]
Duncan
Population. Just. Right. Wing. Stupid. And. The. Same. Thing. Again. With. With. This. Although. I.
[27:30]
Guest
Will.
[27:30]
Duncan
Say. That. A. Lot. More. People. Are. Accepting. Of. The. The. Mess. On. Epstein. Island. But. It. Still. Seems. Like. There's. A. Large. Number. Of. People. I. I. Don't. Really. Look. Into. That.
[27:39]
Guest
I.
[27:39]
Duncan
Don't.
[27:40]
Matt
Really.
[27:40]
Duncan
Care. It's. Not.
[27:40]
Matt
A.
[27:41]
Duncan
Big. Deal. And. To. Me. That's. Kind. Of. That's. You.
[27:44]
Guest
Know.
[27:45]
Duncan
That's. That's. A.
[27:47]
Guest
A.
[27:47]
Duncan
Really. Great. Way. To. Hide. A. Needle. In. A. Stack. Of. Needles. Right. You. You. Want. To. Hide. Your. Conspiracy. Theory. You. Just. Load. Up. The. World. With. So. Many. Of.
[27:53]
Guest
Them.
[27:54]
Duncan
That. Eventually. You. Can. Just.
[27:55]
Matt
Just.
[27:55]
Duncan
Release. It. With. The. Federal. Stamp. Right. On. It. They're.
[27:57]
Matt
Like.
[27:57]
Duncan
Eh. Eh. So. Anyway.
[28:02]
Matt
Yeah. I. Mean.
[28:03]
Duncan
We.
[28:03]
Matt
Don't.
[28:04]
Duncan
Have.
[28:04]
Matt
The. Attention. Span. To. Worry. About.
[28:05]
Duncan
The.
[28:06]
Matt
Epstein. Files. The. Iran.
[28:07]
Duncan
War.
[28:08]
Matt
The. Aliens. Now. The. Hantavirus. It's.
[28:11]
Duncan
Just. Aliens. Yeah. It's. Just.
[28:13]
Matt
Too.
[28:13]
Guest
Much.
[28:14]
Matt
Man. It's. Like. It's. Like. Purposeful. Distractions.
[28:16]
Duncan
Just.
[28:16]
Matt
Trying. To. Keep. Us. Keep. Us. Subdued.
[28:19]
Duncan
Yep. There. Was.
[28:20]
Matt
A. Meme.
[28:21]
Duncan
That.
[28:21]
Matt
Was.
[28:21]
Duncan
Going.
[28:21]
Matt
Around.
[28:21]
Duncan
A. Little.
[28:21]
Matt
While.
[28:22]
Duncan
Ago. I'd. Reshared.
[28:23]
Guest
It.
[28:23]
Duncan
Was.
[28:23]
Matt
The.
[28:24]
Duncan
The. Zoomer. With. A. Standing. In. Front.
[28:26]
Guest
Of.
[28:26]
Duncan
A. Ufo. And. There's. A. CIA. Guy. With. An. Alien. Face. On. And. He's.
[28:29]
Guest
Like.
[28:29]
Duncan
Aren't. You. Impressed. And. Zoomer's. Like. Man. I. Got.
[28:31]
Matt
A. Lot.
[28:31]
Guest
Going.
[28:31]
Matt
On.
[28:32]
Duncan
Right. Now. I. Don't.
[28:33]
Guest
Have.
[28:34]
Matt
Time. For. These. Aliens.
[28:36]
Duncan
So. Much. Happening. You. Bring. Come. Back. When. You're.
[28:38]
Guest
A.
[28:38]
Duncan
Real. Alien.
[28:39]
Matt
Yeah.
[28:39]
Duncan
Most.
[28:39]
Matt
Of. Most.
[28:40]
Duncan
Of.
[28:40]
Matt
Those. Files.
[28:40]
Duncan
They.
[28:40]
Matt
Released.
[28:41]
Duncan
Were.
[28:41]
Matt
Already.
[28:41]
Guest
Like.
[28:41]
Matt
Public. Information.
[28:42]
Duncan
It.
[28:43]
Matt
Just. Wasn't.
[28:43]
Duncan
On. The. White. House.
[28:44]
Matt
Web. Website. That's. The. Only. Difference.
[28:45]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Just. Put. The. Official. Stamp. On. And. Again. Now. They. Kind. Of. Can. Because. Well. I. Mean. Look. At. The.
[28:52]
Guest
Way.
[28:52]
Duncan
People. Treat. The. White. House. Right. Now. It's. Like. If. Your. Boy's. Not. In. There. They.
[28:55]
Matt
Don't.
[28:55]
Guest
Even.
[28:55]
Duncan
They. Could. They. Just. Call. Bullshit. On. Everything. So. You. Know. There's.
[28:58]
Matt
A. Lot.
[28:58]
Duncan
Of. People. That. Are. Just.
[29:00]
Matt
They.
[29:01]
Duncan
Hate. Trump. And. So. Trump. Is. The. Guy. That. Was. In. Charge. When. These. Got. Released. And. So. They. Just. The. Conspiracy. Side. Of. Things. There's. A. Lot. Of. People.
[29:08]
Guest
That.
[29:08]
Duncan
Are. Just. Gonna. Ignore. This. Stuff. Since.
[29:11]
Matt
Which. Stuff.
[29:12]
Duncan
The. Alien. Stuff. That's. Been. Released. And. Put. On. The. White. House. Website. And. Whatnot. Not. There's. Already. We're. Already. Seeing.
[29:17]
Guest
A.
[29:17]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Of. People. Ignoring. Just. Considering. It. Tinfoil. Hat. Nuttery.
[29:22]
Matt
Well. The. Problem. With.
[29:23]
Guest
It.
[29:24]
Matt
Is. None. Of.
[29:24]
Duncan
It's.
[29:24]
Matt
New.
[29:25]
Duncan
Yeah.
[29:25]
Matt
All. Of.
[29:26]
Duncan
It.
[29:26]
Matt
Was. Like. Previously. Known. Stuff. On.
[29:28]
Guest
The.
[29:28]
Matt
Internet.
[29:28]
Duncan
You.
[29:29]
Matt
Could. Find. Anywhere. On. The. Internet. You. Know.
[29:30]
Duncan
But. That. That.
[29:31]
Guest
Was.
[29:31]
Duncan
A.
[29:31]
Guest
Little.
[29:31]
Duncan
Bit. Harder. To.
[29:32]
Matt
It's.
[29:32]
Duncan
Just. Like.
[29:33]
Matt
The.
[29:33]
Duncan
First.
[29:33]
Matt
Epstein.
[29:34]
Duncan
Yeah.
[29:34]
Matt
Fake. Release. They. Did. With.
[29:35]
Duncan
Those.
[29:36]
Matt
Fake. Binders.
[29:38]
Duncan
Did.
[29:38]
Matt
You.
[29:38]
Duncan
See.
[29:38]
Matt
That.
[29:38]
Duncan
No. I. Didn't. See. That.
[29:40]
Matt
Yeah.
[29:40]
Guest
They.
[29:40]
Matt
Had.
[29:40]
Guest
These.
[29:40]
Matt
Influencers. Walk. Like. They. Staged. Like.
[29:43]
Duncan
A.
[29:43]
Matt
Walkout. Like. At. The. White. House. Where.
[29:45]
Guest
They.
[29:45]
Matt
Had.
[29:45]
Duncan
A.
[29:45]
Matt
Bunch. Of. Influencers. Walk. Out. With.
[29:47]
Duncan
These.
[29:47]
Matt
Fake. B. Sanders.
[29:48]
Duncan
Has.
[29:48]
Matt
Had. Epstein. Files. Printed.
[29:49]
Guest
On.
[29:49]
Matt
It. And. The. Stuff. That. Was. In. There. Was. Stuff.
[29:52]
Duncan
That. Was.
[29:52]
Matt
Already. Released.
[29:53]
Duncan
Okay.
[29:53]
Guest
It.
[29:53]
Matt
Was. Already. Public. They. Were. Trying. To. Stage. Some. Fake. Epstein. File. Disclosure. Because.
[29:58]
Duncan
Trump.
[29:59]
Matt
Campaigned. On. Releasing. The. Epstein.
[30:00]
Duncan
Files. Oh. That's.
[30:01]
Matt
Fair. Yeah.
[30:02]
Duncan
Okay.
[30:02]
Matt
That.
[30:03]
Duncan
Yes. All. Right.
[30:05]
Matt
Complete. Bread. And. Circus.
[30:07]
Duncan
Yeah. Absolute. Bread. And. Circus.
[30:10]
Matt
That's. What.
[30:11]
Duncan
The. New.
[30:11]
Matt
Ufo.
[30:11]
Duncan
Files. Are.
[30:12]
Matt
Basically. This.
[30:13]
Duncan
Yeah.
[30:13]
Matt
Yeah.
[30:13]
Duncan
It's. It's. All. Yeah. That's. Sad. But. I. Agree. Completely. Agree. That. That. Is. You. Know. They. They. Sacrifice. People. When. The. Time. Is. Right. Like. It's.
[30:23]
Matt
Been.
[30:23]
Duncan
A. While. But. Milo. Yiannopoulos. You. Remember. When. He. Was. A. Big. Deal.
[30:26]
Matt
Back. Yeah.
[30:27]
Duncan
Okay. And.
[30:28]
Matt
He's. Making. A. Comeback. Now.
[30:29]
Duncan
Yeah. I've. Seen. Him. A. Little. Bit. More. But. Like. Like. It. Came. Out. That. He. He. Was. On. A. Podcast. And. Said. That. He. Was. At. This. These. Catholic. Meetings. Where. They. Had. Like. Like. Boys. And. Stuff. Going. On. And. He. Wouldn't. Tell. Anybody. Who. The. Priests.
[30:43]
Matt
Were.
[30:44]
Guest
Right.
[30:44]
Duncan
And. Like. A. Year.
[30:45]
Guest
And.
[30:45]
Matt
A. Half.
[30:46]
Duncan
Later. After. The. Election's. Done. And. When. The. Right. Was. Trying. To. Kind. Of. Consolidate. Power. Or. Whatever. He. Got. Kicked. Out. And. That's. Exactly. They. Use. This. Clip. That. Was. A. Year.
[30:57]
Guest
And.
[30:57]
Duncan
A. Half. Old. Bill. Cosby. Is. The. Same. Shit. You. Know. People. Knew. That. He. Had. This. Stuff. Was. Not. Old. But. He. Started. Going. Real. Public. Against. Don't. Dress. With. Your. Baggy. Pants. And. All. This. Shit. At. The. Same. Time. Black. Lives. Matter. Took. Off. And. Then. Some. Comedian.
[31:10]
Matt
And.
[31:11]
Duncan
Little. Clip. Of.
[31:11]
Matt
A.
[31:12]
Duncan
Comedian. And. Somebody. Took. On. Their. Shitty. Ass. Nokia. Phone.
[31:15]
Matt
And.
[31:16]
Duncan
It. Went. Viral. Because. They. Wanted. It. To. And. There's. There's. Certain. Things. Like. I. Said. They. Did. They'll. Throw. You. They'll.
[31:22]
Guest
Use.
[31:22]
Duncan
You. And. Throw. You.
[31:23]
Guest
Under.
[31:23]
Duncan
The. Bus. And. That's. Not. Conspiratorial. This. Is. Is. How. It's. Always. Been.
[31:26]
Matt
Done.
[31:27]
Guest
This.
[31:27]
Matt
Episode. Of. The. Podcast.
[31:28]
Duncan
Is.
[31:28]
Matt
Brought.
[31:28]
Duncan
To. You.
[31:29]
Matt
By. Liquid. Iv. With.
[31:30]
Duncan
The.
[31:30]
Matt
Super. El. Nino.
[31:31]
Duncan
The.
[31:31]
Matt
Summer. Heat.
[31:32]
Duncan
Is.
[31:32]
Matt
In.
[31:32]
Duncan
Full.
[31:32]
Matt
Effect. And.
[31:33]
Duncan
It. Only.
[31:33]
Matt
Took.
[31:33]
Guest
Me.
[31:34]
Matt
One. Day. On. The. Boat. To. Remind.
[31:35]
Duncan
Me.
[31:36]
Matt
That. Boat. Time. Time. Is. Hydration. Time. And. That's. Why. I. Always.
[31:39]
Duncan
Keep.
[31:40]
Matt
Liquid. Iv's. Hydration. Multiplier.
[31:42]
Guest
With.
[31:42]
Matt
Me.
[31:42]
Guest
Whether.
[31:42]
Matt
It's. A. Three.
[31:43]
Guest
Day.
[31:43]
Matt
Festival. Exploring. The. Farmers. Market. A.
[31:45]
Duncan
Day.
[31:45]
Matt
On.
[31:45]
Guest
The.
[31:45]
Matt
Boat.
[31:46]
Duncan
Or.
[31:46]
Matt
A. Destination. Wedding. Liquid. Iv. Is. Superior. Hydration. Than. Water. And. Right. Now.
[31:51]
Duncan
You. Can.
[31:51]
Matt
Get. Twenty. Off. Your.
[31:52]
Guest
First. Order.
[31:53]
Matt
Using. The. Code. Danny.
[31:54]
Duncan
At.
[31:54]
Matt
Checkout. I'm. Always.
[31:55]
Duncan
On.
[31:55]
Matt
The.
[31:55]
Duncan
Run.
[31:56]
Matt
With. The. Kids. Boating. Golfing. Running. Around. Town.
[31:59]
Guest
You.
[31:59]
Matt
Name. It. So. I. Always. Keep. A. Bag. Of. Liquid. Iv. In.
[32:02]
Guest
My.
[32:02]
Matt
Truck.
[32:02]
Duncan
Truck.
[32:02]
Matt
Or. My. Backpack. So.
[32:04]
Duncan
I'm. Ready. To. Roll.
[32:04]
Matt
I.
[32:05]
Duncan
Love.
[32:05]
Matt
It.
[32:05]
Guest
Because.
[32:05]
Matt
How. Simple. It.
[32:06]
Duncan
Is.
[32:06]
Matt
Just. Tear.
[32:06]
Duncan
It.
[32:07]
Matt
Pour. It.
[32:07]
Duncan
In.
[32:07]
Matt
A.
[32:07]
Duncan
Cup.
[32:07]
Guest
Of.
[32:07]
Matt
Water.
[32:08]
Duncan
And.
[32:08]
Matt
You're. Good. To. Go. One. Stick.
[32:09]
Duncan
With.
[32:09]
Matt
Sixteen. Ounces.
[32:10]
Duncan
Of.
[32:10]
Matt
Water. Hydrates. Faster.
[32:11]
Duncan
Than.
[32:11]
Matt
Water. Alone. It's. Powered. By. Liv. Hydro. Science. With. An. Optimized. Ratio.
[32:15]
Duncan
Of.
[32:15]
Matt
Electrolytes. Essential. Vitamins.
[32:17]
Duncan
And.
[32:18]
Matt
Clinically. Tested. Nutrients. That. Turn. Ordinary. Water. Into. Extraordinary. Hydration. You're. Getting. Three. Times. The. Electrolytes.
[32:24]
Guest
Of. The.
[32:24]
Matt
Leading.
[32:24]
Duncan
Sports.
[32:24]
Matt
Drink. Plus. Eight. Vitamins. And. Nutrients. In. Every. Stick. They've. Always. Got. Great. Flavors. My. Kids. Love.
[32:29]
Guest
The.
[32:30]
Matt
Popsicle. Firecracker. So. It.
[32:31]
Duncan
Feels. Like.
[32:31]
Matt
A. Treat. Instead. Of.
[32:32]
Guest
A. Chore.
[32:32]
Matt
To. Stay. Hydrated.
[32:33]
Duncan
So.
[32:33]
Matt
If. You've.
[32:34]
Guest
Long.
[32:34]
Matt
Days. Ahead. This. Summer. This. Stuff. Really. Makes. A. Difference. Stay. Hydrated. While. You're.
[32:38]
Duncan
On.
[32:38]
Matt
The. Go.
[32:38]
Guest
This.
[32:38]
Matt
Summer.
[32:39]
Guest
With.
[32:39]
Matt
Liquid. Iv. Tear. Poor. And. Live. More. Go.
[32:41]
Duncan
To.
[32:42]
Guest
Liquid.
[32:42]
Matt
I.
[32:42]
Guest
Dot.
[32:43]
Duncan
Com.
[32:43]
Matt
And.
[32:43]
Duncan
Get.
[32:43]
Matt
Twenty. Off. Your.
[32:44]
Guest
First.
[32:44]
Matt
Purchase. With. The. Code. Danny. D. A. N. N. Y.
[32:47]
Duncan
At.
[32:47]
Matt
Checkout. That's. Twenty. Off. Your.
[32:49]
Guest
First.
[32:49]
Duncan
Purchase. With. The.
[32:50]
Matt
Code. Danny.
[32:50]
Guest
At.
[32:51]
Matt
Liquid. I. Dot. Com. Have. You.
[32:54]
Duncan
Did.
[32:54]
Guest
You.
[32:54]
Matt
See. That. That. Recent. Peer. Reviewed. Study. That. That. Guy. Maxed. It. About.
[33:00]
Duncan
Those.
[33:00]
Matt
Vases.
[33:01]
Duncan
I.
[33:01]
Matt
Did.
[33:02]
Duncan
Yes. What.
[33:02]
Matt
Did. You.
[33:02]
Guest
Make.
[33:02]
Matt
Of. That.
[33:03]
Duncan
Well. On.
[33:05]
Matt
The. One.
[33:05]
Duncan
Hand. I. Can't. Fault. Him. For. Doing. Good. Science. The. One. Thing. That. I. Will. Say. That. He's. Not. Accounting. For. Is. Selection. Bias. And. I'll. Draw. You. A. Parallel. That. Anybody. Can. Understand. You. Know. They. Made. Silver. Quarters. Until. Nineteen. Sixty. Three. It. Was. The. Last. Year. Right. And. They're. Ninety. Percent. Silver. Now. If. We.
[33:25]
Matt
All.
[33:25]
Duncan
Go. To.
[33:25]
Matt
The.
[33:25]
Duncan
Bank. And. Buy. Ten. Thousand. Dollars. In. Rolls. Of. Quarters. We're. Probably. Not. Going. To. Find. A. Single. Silver. Quarter. In. All. Those. Thousands.
[33:32]
Guest
Of.
[33:33]
Duncan
Quarters. That. Doesn't.
[33:34]
Guest
Mean.
[33:34]
Duncan
None. Ever. Existed. There. It. Just. Means. That. Been. Peeled. Out. Of. The. Banks. And. Petrie. Spoke. Of. Precision. He. Spoke. Of. Very. Precise. Looking. Vases. That. Were. Made. Of. Granite. One.
[33:47]
Guest
Hundred.
[33:48]
Matt
And.
[33:48]
Duncan
Some. Odd. Years. Ago. So. This. Wasn't. Unknown. But. It. Was. Something. That. You.
[33:52]
Matt
Kind.
[33:52]
Guest
Of.
[33:52]
Duncan
Had. To. Be. In. The.
[33:53]
Matt
Know.
[33:54]
Duncan
They. Don't. Look. Egyptian. They. Look. Like. A. Damn. Flower. Pot. Right. Unless. You. Know.
[33:58]
Guest
What.
[33:59]
Duncan
They.
[33:59]
Matt
Look.
[33:59]
Duncan
Like. Then. It's. Like. Oh. That. Looks.
[34:01]
Matt
Like.
[34:01]
Duncan
An. Egyptian. One. Of. Those. Vases. But.
[34:02]
Guest
If.
[34:02]
Duncan
You. Don't. I. Mean. If. You. Show. That. To. Ninety. Nine. Percent. Of. People. Are. Going. To. Be. Like. Oh.
[34:05]
Matt
It's. A.
[34:05]
Duncan
Cool. Flower. Pot.
[34:06]
Guest
Right.
[34:07]
Duncan
So. If. You. Haven't. Written. Down. The. Precision. Measurements. And.
[34:10]
Matt
All.
[34:11]
Duncan
I've. Got. Written. Down. Is. Granite. Vase. Then. It's. Easy. To. Talk. To. The. Dude. That's.
[34:15]
Matt
The.
[34:15]
Duncan
Curator. There. And. Say. Hey. Man. Fifty. Bucks. Swap. Out. This. For. That.
[34:19]
Guest
And.
[34:19]
Duncan
Blah.
[34:19]
Matt
Blah.
[34:19]
Duncan
Blah. It. Makes. Sense. Those. Are.
[34:22]
Guest
The.
[34:22]
Duncan
Ones. That. Got. Passed. Around. The. Most. If. You. Imagine. A. Guy. Who's. Got. Three. Of. These. Things. Then. Somebody. Walks. In. And. Gets. The. Chance. To. Pick.
[34:29]
Guest
One.
[34:29]
Duncan
They're. Probably. Going. To.
[34:30]
Matt
Pick.
[34:30]
Duncan
The. One.
[34:30]
Matt
That.
[34:30]
Duncan
Looks. The. Nicest. Especially. If. They're. In. The. Know. On. This. Stuff. So. To. Me. It. Seems. I'm. Not. Saying. That. His. Finds. His. Findings. Are.
[34:39]
Matt
Not.
[34:39]
Duncan
As. Conclusive. As. He. Claims.
[34:40]
Guest
They.
[34:40]
Duncan
Are. That's. My. Biggest. Thing.
[34:41]
Matt
I.
[34:41]
Duncan
Think. His. Findings. Are. Important. To. Bring. To. Bear. But. It's. It's. Neglecting. The. Fact. That. Egypt. Has. Been. Known. For. Artifact. Looting. And. Theft. For. A. Very. Long. Time. And. These. Would. Not. Be. Harsh. Hard.
[34:53]
Matt
To.
[34:53]
Duncan
Like. I. Just. Described. It. Wouldn't.
[34:54]
Guest
Be.
[34:54]
Duncan
Hard. To. Exchange.
[34:55]
Guest
Them.
[34:55]
Duncan
To. Peel.
[34:56]
Matt
So. What.
[34:56]
Duncan
He. Did.
[34:57]
Matt
If. I'm. If. I'm. Not. Mistaken. Is.
[34:58]
Duncan
He.
[34:58]
Matt
Went. To.
[34:59]
Duncan
A.
[34:59]
Matt
Bunch. Of. Museums. And. He. Bought. This. Like. Incredible. Scanning. Machine. Device. And. He. He. Shipped. It. Out. To. With. Him. To. England. Or. Something. And. He. Went.
[35:07]
Guest
To.
[35:07]
Matt
These. Museums. And. He. Measured. All. The.
[35:09]
Duncan
Vases.
[35:09]
Matt
In. All. These. Museums.
[35:10]
Guest
That.
[35:11]
Matt
Held. This. Pre. Dynastic. Pottery. Or.
[35:13]
Guest
Pre.
[35:13]
Matt
Dynastic. Vases. And. Stuff.
[35:14]
Duncan
Like.
[35:14]
Guest
This.
[35:15]
Matt
And. He. Found. Out. None.
[35:16]
Guest
Of.
[35:16]
Duncan
The.
[35:16]
Matt
Ones.
[35:17]
Duncan
In.
[35:17]
Guest
The.
[35:17]
Matt
Museums. He. Found. Out. They. Were.
[35:19]
Duncan
All.
[35:19]
Matt
Handmade. Ones. Right. And. All.
[35:22]
Duncan
The.
[35:22]
Matt
Ones.
[35:22]
Duncan
That.
[35:22]
Guest
Were.
[35:22]
Matt
Granite.
[35:23]
Duncan
From.
[35:23]
Matt
Egypt. Were.
[35:24]
Guest
Were.
[35:25]
Matt
Aswan. Granite. And.
[35:28]
Duncan
If.
[35:28]
Matt
You. Compare. That. To. The. Ones. That.
[35:31]
Duncan
Are.
[35:32]
Matt
Quote. Unquote. Like. Super. Precise. Or. Like. Almost. Really. Close. To. Being. Perfect. To.
[35:38]
Duncan
Where.
[35:38]
Matt
It. Has. To. Be. Like. Machine. Made. Those.
[35:40]
Duncan
Are.
[35:40]
Matt
The. Ones. That. Are. In. Matt. And. Adam's. Collections. They're.
[35:46]
Guest
In.
[35:46]
Matt
Their. Private. Collections.
[35:47]
Duncan
Only.
[35:48]
Matt
So.
[35:49]
Guest
And.
[35:49]
Matt
He. Laid.
[35:50]
Duncan
This.
[35:50]
Matt
Out. On.
[35:50]
Duncan
This.
[35:50]
Matt
Graph.
[35:51]
Duncan
Yeah.
[35:51]
Matt
Right.
[35:52]
Duncan
He.
[35:52]
Matt
Had. Like. A. With.
[35:53]
Guest
An.
[35:54]
Matt
X. Y. Axis. And.
[35:55]
Duncan
He. Little. Circles. Of.
[35:57]
Matt
Yeah.
[35:57]
Duncan
Yeah. Sorry. I. I. Should. Have. Described. The. Thing. Before. I. Just. Went. In. In. My.
[36:01]
Matt
No.
[36:02]
Duncan
No. Yeah.
[36:02]
Matt
And. So. That's. Interesting. That's. But. That. There. You. Go.
[36:09]
Duncan
No. It's. Definitely.
[36:10]
Matt
Outer. Quality. Microns. And. Then. What's. The. Bottom. One. Steve. Inner. Quality. Microns. So. Machined.
[36:18]
Duncan
The. Yellow.
[36:18]
Matt
One. Or. The.
[36:19]
Duncan
Machine.
[36:20]
Matt
So.
[36:20]
Duncan
The.
[36:20]
Matt
Handmade. Pre. Dynastic. Ones. Are. Very. Like. Not. Perfect.
[36:29]
Duncan
No. Yeah. Yeah. Clearly. And. You. Know.
[36:32]
Matt
Zoom.
[36:33]
Duncan
Out. A. Little. Bit.
[36:33]
Guest
Steve.
[36:34]
Matt
What. So. Is. He. Okay. What. What. Is. The. Summary. Of. This.
[36:41]
Duncan
Well. What. What. He's. Basically. Saying. Here. Is. That. The. Vases. That. Are. In. Private. Hands. Tend. To. Look. Nicer. Than. The. Ones. That.
[36:49]
Matt
Are.
[36:49]
Duncan
In. Museums. And. The. Implication. Be. That. He. Makes. It. Very. Clear. That. He. Believes. That.
[36:54]
Guest
They. Were.
[36:54]
Duncan
All. Manufactured. By. You. Know.
[36:57]
Guest
Some.
[36:57]
Duncan
Other. Company. Basically. Forgeries.
[36:59]
Matt
He. Brought. One. In. Here.
[37:01]
Guest
That.
[37:01]
Matt
He. Paid. To. Have. A. Chinese. Company. Make. Make.
[37:04]
Duncan
And.
[37:04]
Guest
He.
[37:05]
Matt
Showed. The. Video. Of. It. Of. It. Of.
[37:06]
Guest
Them.
[37:06]
Matt
Doing.
[37:06]
Duncan
It.
[37:07]
Matt
It.
[37:07]
Duncan
Was.
[37:07]
Matt
Pretty. Like. They.
[37:08]
Duncan
Were.
[37:08]
Guest
Doing.
[37:08]
Duncan
It. By.
[37:08]
Matt
Hand. They.
[37:09]
Guest
Were.
[37:09]
Matt
Using. Like. Crazy. Like. They. Were.
[37:11]
Duncan
Using.
[37:12]
Matt
Like. Chisels. And. To. Do.
[37:13]
Duncan
The.
[37:14]
Matt
Rough. Outline. Of. It.
[37:15]
Duncan
I. Don't.
[37:15]
Matt
Know. I. Forgot. How. They. Did. The. The. Rest.
[37:17]
Duncan
Of.
[37:17]
Matt
It. Like. The. Finishing. Part. But. I.
[37:20]
Guest
Don't. Even.
[37:21]
Duncan
Think.
[37:21]
Guest
It.
[37:21]
Matt
Was. Like. A. Cnc. Machine.
[37:22]
Guest
Or. Anything.
[37:22]
Matt
Like.
[37:23]
Duncan
That. No. That's. One. Of. The. Things. That.
[37:24]
Guest
I've.
[37:24]
Duncan
Always. Laughed. About. Is. That. All. These. Machinists. Always. Talk. About.
[37:28]
Matt
Like.
[37:28]
Duncan
How. You. Would. Machine. These. Things. Like. Nobody. Machines. Stuff. Stone. Man.
[37:31]
Matt
Nobody.
[37:31]
Duncan
Machines. Stone. They. Carve.
[37:32]
Guest
It.
[37:33]
Matt
Right.
[37:34]
Guest
But.
[37:35]
Matt
The. Interesting.
[37:35]
Guest
Thing.
[37:35]
Matt
To. Me. Was. That.
[37:36]
Duncan
All. Of.
[37:37]
Guest
The.
[37:37]
Matt
Vases. In.
[37:37]
Duncan
All.
[37:38]
Guest
The.
[37:38]
Matt
Museums. They. All. Had. Lots.
[37:41]
Guest
Of.
[37:41]
Matt
Weathering.
[37:41]
Duncan
On.
[37:41]
Matt
Them. And. They.
[37:42]
Duncan
Were. All.
[37:43]
Matt
The. Granite. Ones.
[37:44]
Guest
At. Least.
[37:44]
Matt
Were. Aswan. Granite. And. I. Don't.
[37:46]
Guest
Think. Any.
[37:46]
Matt
Of. The. Precise. Ones. That. Matt. Or. Adam. Have. Are. Aswan. Granite. I.
[37:51]
Duncan
Haven't. Looked. Into. I. Was. I.
[37:53]
Guest
Would.
[37:53]
Duncan
Be. Curious. I.
[37:54]
Guest
Should.
[37:54]
Duncan
Have. Asked. Him.
[37:55]
Matt
About.
[37:55]
Duncan
That. Because. Yeah. He. He. Did. Say. That. That. Machine. Wasn't. That. Fancy. Said. It. Was. Affordable. But. Of. Course. What's. Affordable. To. Matt.
[38:02]
Guest
And.
[38:02]
Duncan
What's. Affordable. To. Me. Just. A. Little. Bit. Different.
[38:08]
Matt
That's. Funny. But. Yeah. I. Mean. No.
[38:11]
Duncan
One.
[38:11]
Matt
No. One.
[38:11]
Duncan
Ever.
[38:12]
Matt
Claimed. That. This. Stuff. Wasn't. It. Wasn't. Possible. To. Do. It. Today. I. Think. I. Think.
[38:16]
Duncan
Well. There's.
[38:17]
Matt
The.
[38:17]
Duncan
First. Time.
[38:17]
Matt
I.
[38:17]
Duncan
Had. Chris. On. Here.
[38:17]
Guest
Some.
[38:18]
Duncan
People. That. No. No. No. Influencers. Claim. It. My. Comment. Sections. Are. Full. Of. People. Screaming. There's.
[38:22]
Guest
No.
[38:22]
Duncan
Way. You. Could. Make. These. Today. The. Tolerances. Are. Too. High.
[38:25]
Matt
Guy.
[38:25]
Duncan
Yeah.
[38:25]
Matt
Yeah.
[38:26]
Duncan
And. That's. That's. A. You. Know. Things. Extrapolate. But. You. Know. Ben. Doesn't. Say. That.
[38:31]
Guest
And.
[38:32]
Duncan
He's. Probably. The. Biggest. Promoter.
[38:33]
Matt
Of.
[38:33]
Duncan
These. Things.
[38:36]
Matt
So. It's. Very. Interesting. Man. It. So. Basically. To. Me. What.
[38:41]
Guest
His.
[38:41]
Matt
Study. Did. What. What. This. This. Paper. That. He. Made. Did. Was. It's. Not. Like. A. Proven. Fact. That. These. Things. Are. Ancient. It's.
[38:54]
Guest
Very.
[38:54]
Matt
Possible. That. These.
[38:55]
Duncan
These.
[38:55]
Matt
Precise. Ones. Could.
[38:56]
Duncan
Be.
[38:56]
Matt
Modern.
[38:57]
Duncan
Yes.
[38:57]
Matt
They.
[38:57]
Guest
Could. Be.
[38:58]
Matt
Modern.
[38:58]
Duncan
Forgeries. No. I. Think.
[38:59]
Matt
The.
[38:59]
Duncan
Problem.
[38:59]
Guest
With.
[38:59]
Matt
It.
[39:00]
Duncan
Is. You.
[39:00]
Matt
Can't. You. Can't. Figure. Out.
[39:01]
Duncan
The.
[39:01]
Matt
Provenance. You. Can't. Because. It's. Stone.
[39:03]
Duncan
You.
[39:03]
Matt
Can't.
[39:03]
Duncan
Date.
[39:03]
Matt
It. Right.
[39:04]
Duncan
And. And. If. You. Start. Nailing. Down. The. Providence. On. Any. Of. These. You. Know. You. Could. Run. Into. Antiquities. Laws. And. All. Kinds. Of.
[39:10]
Matt
Yeah.
[39:12]
Duncan
But. I. Think. I. Think. It. Honestly. Put. The. Shoe.
[39:14]
Guest
On. The.
[39:14]
Duncan
Other.
[39:15]
Matt
Foot.
[39:15]
Duncan
Even. Though. I. Think. That. Max. Is. Is. Doing. It. Wrong. I. Think. He's.
[39:19]
Guest
Taking.
[39:19]
Duncan
It. Too. Far. By. Saying. That. There's. That. This. Means. That. None. Of. The. Ones. That. Are. In. Private. Hands. Are. Legit. It's.
[39:26]
Matt
It's.
[39:27]
Guest
What. It.
[39:27]
Matt
Says. Is. It's. Possible.
[39:29]
Duncan
Yes.
[39:29]
Matt
That. They.
[39:29]
Duncan
Aren't. Legit. And. It. Puts. It. On.
[39:31]
Guest
The.
[39:31]
Duncan
Other. Foot. It. Instead. Of. The. People. That. Are. Saying. Ancient. High. Technology. Having. A. Piece. Of. Evidence. Now. They've. Got. Something. To. Prove. Just.
[39:38]
Matt
To. Get.
[39:38]
Duncan
This. Back. On. The. Tape.
[39:39]
Matt
Totally.
[39:39]
Duncan
So.
[39:39]
Matt
I.
[39:40]
Duncan
You. Know. In. Those. Regards. It's. A. It's.
[39:41]
Guest
An.
[39:42]
Duncan
Important. Thing. I. Just. Yeah. If. You. He. You. Know. The. Funny. Thing. About. Max. Is. You. Know. That. Billy. Joel.
[39:49]
Matt
Song.
[39:49]
Duncan
I. I. Don't. Know.
[39:50]
Guest
Why.
[39:50]
Duncan
I. Go. To. Extremes. It's. Like. One. Day. With. This. Guy. It's. These. Are. Nuclear. Containment. Vessels. And. Now. They're. Just. Rocks. And. It's. Like. Dude. Maybe. Maybe. Somewhere. In. The. Middle.
[40:02]
Matt
Well. That's. How. He. Started. Out. Right.
[40:03]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. How.
[40:04]
Matt
He. Originally. Got. Interested.
[40:05]
Guest
In. This.
[40:05]
Duncan
Stuff. Yeah. And. And. There's. Nothing. Wrong. With.
[40:07]
Matt
That.
[40:07]
Duncan
But. It's. Just. It's. Like. A.
[40:08]
Matt
Really.
[40:09]
Duncan
Weird. Really. Weird. Swing. We. See. This. A. Lot. You. Know. Like. You. Were. You. Were. Talking. Earlier. About. People. Getting. Involved. In. Things. And. It's. Like. Instead. Of. People. Taking. Baby. Steps. They. Forget. The. Pendulum. Has. A. Center. They.
[40:19]
Matt
Just.
[40:20]
Duncan
Push. It. Right.
[40:20]
Guest
On.
[40:20]
Duncan
Past. You.
[40:21]
Guest
Know.
[40:22]
Duncan
The.
[40:22]
Matt
Guy.
[40:22]
Duncan
That. Graham. Hancock. Wanted. To. Debate.
[40:23]
Matt
Not.
[40:24]
Duncan
Flint. But. John. Hoops. He. He. Flat. Out. Says. That. He. Got. Into. Archaeology. Because. Of. Atlantis. When. He. Was. In. Ten. Like. Tenth. Grade. He. Wrote. A. Paper.
[40:32]
Matt
On.
[40:33]
Duncan
Atlantis. And. That's.
[40:33]
Guest
What.
[40:33]
Duncan
Got. Him. Into. Archaeology. And. Now. He.
[40:35]
Guest
He.
[40:36]
Duncan
Debunks.
[40:36]
Guest
It.
[40:36]
Duncan
So. Hard. That. He's. The.
[40:37]
Matt
Guy.
[40:37]
Duncan
That. Graham. Wanted. To. Go. Up. Against.
[40:39]
Matt
Oh.
[40:39]
Guest
Wow.
[40:40]
Duncan
Yeah. Just. These. Just. Get. Pushed. These. These. Pendulums.
[40:42]
Matt
That's. Amazing.
[40:43]
Duncan
It. Just. It's. Weird. How. That. Works. But. In.
[40:46]
Guest
My.
[40:46]
Duncan
Mind. It's. Like.
[40:47]
Matt
John. Hoops.
[40:48]
Duncan
Yeah. John. Hoops. His. Name. Sounds. Familiar.
[40:50]
Matt
He.
[40:50]
Duncan
Hides. He. He's. He. He's. A. University. Professor. At. Ku. He. Teaches. A. Lot. He's. A. Big. Wikipedia. Editor. If. You.
[41:01]
Matt
Oh. Wow.
[41:02]
Duncan
Really. Funny. Fact. If. You. Go.
[41:03]
Matt
To.
[41:03]
Duncan
The. Younger. Driest. Impact. Hypothesis. Page. He's. One. Of. The. Main. Wikipedia. Is. There. And. Mark. Young. The. Archaeologist. Who's. On. The. Comet. Research. Group. Is. No. Longer. Allowed. To. Edit. That. Wikipedia. Page. That. He. Actually. Does. The. Work. On. Instead. We. Get. Some. Archaeologist. That. Doesn't. Know. Anything. About. It. It's. Like.
[41:23]
Matt
Yeah.
[41:23]
Duncan
Wikipedia. Is. They. Weaponize. This.
[41:25]
Matt
Stuff.
[41:26]
Duncan
You. Know. I. Yeah. Oh.
[41:27]
Guest
Yeah.
[41:27]
Duncan
And. Then. That. Uses. Then. With. AI. They're.
[41:30]
Guest
Even.
[41:30]
Duncan
More. You. Know. Make. Sure. And. Get.
[41:32]
Matt
It.
[41:32]
Duncan
The. Right. Thing. And. You'll. Get. The. AI. To. Said.
[41:35]
Matt
Yeah. But. Like.
[41:37]
Duncan
To. Those.
[41:37]
Matt
Vases. Is.
[41:38]
Duncan
It.
[41:38]
Matt
Possible. That.
[41:38]
Duncan
Those.
[41:39]
Matt
Are. All. Modern.
[41:39]
Guest
And.
[41:39]
Matt
Matts.
[41:40]
Guest
And. Out.
[41:40]
Duncan
Of. D. It. Is. The. Precision. Ones. Yes. That's. Possible.
[41:43]
Matt
It's. Possible. That. They.
[41:44]
Duncan
Are.
[41:44]
Matt
Modern.
[41:45]
Duncan
Very. Possible.
[41:45]
Guest
But.
[41:46]
Matt
Is.
[41:46]
Guest
It.
[41:46]
Matt
Possible. That. Those. Giant. Statues. In. Egypt.
[41:49]
Duncan
Are.
[41:50]
Matt
Modern. No. Is. It. Possible. Those. Serapium. Boxes.
[41:53]
Duncan
Are.
[41:53]
Matt
Modern. No.
[41:54]
Duncan
No.
[41:54]
Matt
You.
[41:55]
Duncan
Can't.
[41:55]
Matt
Explain. That. That. Stuff. Is. Insanely. Precise.
[41:59]
Duncan
Yes. The. And. The. The. Overcut. In. The. One. Serap. The. One. Coffin.
[42:05]
Guest
Lid.
[42:06]
Duncan
You've. Seen.
[42:06]
Guest
That.
[42:06]
Duncan
One. Where. It's. An. Off. Cut. This. To. Me. Is. One. Of. The. More. Interesting. Things. There's. A. Granite. Coffin. Lid. I. Think. It's.
[42:14]
Guest
In.
[42:14]
Duncan
The. Cairo. Museum. And. It's.
[42:17]
Matt
Got.
[42:17]
Duncan
A.
[42:17]
Matt
Long.
[42:18]
Duncan
Cut. That's.
[42:18]
Matt
Off.
[42:19]
Duncan
It's. Like. It's. Curved. Off. And. It. Just. Goes. For. Like. A. Foot. Foot. And. A. Half.
[42:24]
Matt
Really.
[42:24]
Duncan
Yeah. Long. Enough. That. If. They. Were. Doing. It. Through. A. Mundane. Means. Of. A. Copper. Saw. Running. You. Know. Gypsum. Or. Whatever. Underneath. It. To. Drive. And. Cut. They.
[42:35]
Guest
Should.
[42:35]
Duncan
They. Were.
[42:36]
Guest
Doing.
[42:36]
Duncan
It.
[42:36]
Matt
Slow. And. It.
[42:37]
Duncan
Took.
[42:37]
Matt
An. Hour. To. Do. A. Millimeter.
[42:39]
Duncan
Of.
[42:39]
Matt
Cutting. Then. You're. Not.
[42:40]
Duncan
Going.
[42:40]
Matt
To. Go. That. Far.
[42:41]
Duncan
Off. If. You. Do. Man. Everybody's. Going. To. Lose. Their. Heads. I. Mean. There. Ain't. No. Way. If. That's. How. These. Things. Were. Done. That. They. Would. Tolerate. That. Kind. Of. I. Mean. Come. On. Right. So. To. Me. To. Me.
[42:54]
Matt
There.
[42:54]
Duncan
Are. Things. Like. That. That. It's. Interesting. Like. You. Know. On. On. The. One. Hand. I'm. Not. Ready. To. Say.
[42:59]
Guest
That.
[42:59]
Duncan
Ancient. Egypt. Had. A. Bunch. Of. High. Technology. But. They. Were. Way. Better.
[43:03]
Guest
At.
[43:03]
Duncan
Working. Stone. Than. We. Are. Today. Clearly. And. You. Know. Stone. Was. The. Premier. Building. Material. And. Used. For. Like. You. Know. Millions. Of. Years. Hominid. Devolution. We. Were. Using. Stone. Points. For. Forever. Ago. So. It. Makes. Sense.
[43:18]
Matt
That.
[43:19]
Duncan
We.
[43:19]
Matt
Would.
[43:19]
Duncan
Have. A. Lot. Of. Little. Nuanced. Tricks.
[43:22]
Matt
That.
[43:22]
Duncan
We. Put. Together. Over. The. Generations. And. Then. We. Lost. It. You. Know. In. Just. A. Couple.
[43:27]
Matt
Of.
[43:27]
Duncan
Generations. When. Metal. And. Wood. And. When. Metal. In. Particular. Really. Took. Over. I. Compare. It. To. Like. How. Much. Do. You. Know. About. Horseback. Riding. Compared. To. Your. Great. Grandpa. Right. It's. Like. He. He. Was. Good. At. It. I. I. Can. Speculate.
[43:40]
Matt
Because.
[43:41]
Duncan
He. Had. To. Have. Been. Good.
[43:42]
Matt
At.
[43:42]
Guest
It.
[43:42]
Duncan
But. I.
[43:43]
Guest
Know.
[43:43]
Matt
All.
[43:43]
Duncan
Of.
[43:43]
Matt
My.
[43:43]
Duncan
Ancestors.
[43:44]
Matt
Would.
[43:44]
Guest
Laugh.
[43:44]
Duncan
At. Me. For. My. Inability. To. Ride.
[43:46]
Guest
A.
[43:46]
Duncan
Horse.
[43:46]
Matt
Right. But.
[43:47]
Duncan
That's. Just. Because. The. Skill. Set. Changed. Right.
[43:49]
Matt
Totally.
[43:50]
Duncan
And. So. I. Think. I. Think. If. We. Watch. Them. Build. The. Pyramids.
[43:52]
Guest
I.
[43:52]
Duncan
Don't. Think. We'd.
[43:53]
Matt
Be. Like.
[43:53]
Duncan
Holy.
[43:54]
Guest
I.
[43:54]
Duncan
Think. It'd.
[43:54]
Matt
Be.
[43:54]
Duncan
Like. Really. Is. That. What. They.
[43:57]
Guest
Oh.
[43:57]
Duncan
My.
[43:57]
Matt
God.
[43:58]
Duncan
Why. Didn't. I. Think. Of. That.
[44:00]
Matt
Right.
[44:00]
Duncan
Just. Like. If. You. Know. Much.
[44:01]
Matt
About.
[44:02]
Duncan
Baseball. Baseball. You. Know. If. A. Left. Handed. A. Lefty. Doesn't. Do. Much. Besides. Pitch. Or. Play. First. Base. If. He's. Infield. Right. But.
[44:11]
Matt
You.
[44:11]
Duncan
Don't. And. The. Reason. Is. Obvious.
[44:14]
Matt
If.
[44:14]
Duncan
You. Think. About. It. Right. But. It's. Because. Of. Where. His. Gloves. Is. And. What. His. Throwing. Arm. Is.
[44:18]
Guest
And.
[44:19]
Duncan
But. You. Have. To. Think. About. It. For. Just. A.
[44:20]
Guest
Minute.
[44:20]
Duncan
If.
[44:20]
Matt
You.
[44:21]
Duncan
Don't.
[44:21]
Guest
Know.
[44:21]
Duncan
Anything.
[44:21]
Matt
About.
[44:21]
Duncan
Baseball. Why.
[44:22]
Matt
The.
[44:22]
Duncan
Hell.
[44:23]
Matt
Are.
[44:23]
Duncan
You. Discriminated. Against. Lefties.
[44:24]
Matt
Right.
[44:24]
Duncan
It's. It's. Just. The. Way. The.
[44:26]
Guest
Game. Is.
[44:27]
Duncan
So. There. All. These. Little. Nuanced. Things. That. People. Don't. See. That. Seem. Stupid. To. Them. But. When. You. Know.
[44:32]
Matt
Just.
[44:33]
Duncan
Scratch. The. Surface. There's. A. Good. Reason. For. A.
[44:37]
Matt
Lot.
[44:37]
Duncan
Of. Stuff. I. Think. The. Ancients. Were. A. Lot. Smarter. Than. We. Give. Them. Credit. For. Even. The. Archaeologists. And. Stuff. I. Think. They. Really. Especially. When. It. Comes.
[44:44]
Guest
To.
[44:44]
Duncan
The. Stars.
[44:45]
Matt
I.
[44:45]
Duncan
Think. They. Really. Dumbed. Down. How. Much. They. Knew. About. Astronomy. But. That. Does. Kind. Of. Make. Sense. Because. Archaeologists. Look. Down. And. Not. Up. And.
[44:54]
Matt
Right.
[44:55]
Duncan
It's. Just. Right. Off. The. Bat. It's. Fundamentally. Two. Different. Things.
[44:58]
Matt
Yeah. Totally.
[44:59]
Duncan
Flint. Said. That. The. Sphinx. Facing. The. Rising. Sun. Was. A. Coincidence. And. That's. Just. Just. Like. Come. On.
[45:05]
Matt
Right.
[45:06]
Duncan
Well.
[45:06]
Matt
How. Much. Does.
[45:06]
Duncan
He.
[45:07]
Guest
Work.
[45:07]
Matt
With. People. In. Other. Fields. Right. Like.
[45:09]
Guest
How.
[45:10]
Matt
Much. Interdisciplinary. Work. Is. He. Doing. Is. He.
[45:13]
Duncan
Exactly.
[45:13]
Matt
Is. He. Talking. To. Astronomers. Is. He. Talking. To. Classicists. Who. Are. Like. Just. Decrypting. All.
[45:20]
Guest
The.
[45:20]
Matt
Ancient. Texts.
[45:21]
Guest
And.
[45:21]
Matt
All. That. Stuff. And.
[45:22]
Duncan
Well. Yeah. I. Don't.
[45:23]
Guest
Know.
[45:23]
Matt
How.
[45:24]
Duncan
Much. Of.
[45:24]
Matt
That.
[45:24]
Duncan
He. Does. I. Know. That. Pretty. Much. All. Of. His. Efforts. Are. In. Debunking. Nowadays. When. It. Comes. To. That. Stuff. So. So. If. He's. Looking. Into. Something. It's. He's. Looking. For. Ammunition. To. Come. After. Graham. Or. Mostly.
[45:34]
Guest
Graham.
[45:35]
Matt
But. That.
[45:36]
Duncan
Whole.
[45:36]
Matt
I.
[45:36]
Duncan
Thing.
[45:37]
Matt
Like.
[45:37]
Duncan
I. Haven't. Seen. Him. Put. Out. Much. Content. That. Wasn't. Arguing. With. People. For. About. A. Year. Now.
[45:42]
Matt
Yeah. Yeah.
[45:44]
Guest
I.
[45:44]
Matt
Was. Explaining. To. To. Dave. When. He. Was. Here. That. The. Graham. Hancock. Debate. With. Flint. I. Thought. Flint. Did. A. Fantastic. Job.
[45:53]
Duncan
On. That.
[45:54]
Matt
And. I. Felt.
[45:54]
Duncan
Like.
[45:54]
Guest
I.
[45:54]
Duncan
Was.
[45:55]
Matt
On.
[45:55]
Duncan
An.
[45:55]
Matt
Island. With.
[45:55]
Duncan
That.
[45:55]
Matt
Opinion.
[45:56]
Duncan
I. Don't.
[45:57]
Guest
Think.
[45:57]
Duncan
You.
[45:57]
Guest
Were.
[45:57]
Matt
On.
[45:57]
Duncan
An. Island. At. First. Like. Kind. Of. You. Know. That's. Why. Dave. Came. After. Me. Was. Because. I. Went. After. Flint. And. You. Know. The. The. Thing. That. When.
[46:09]
Matt
I.
[46:09]
Duncan
Watched. That. Debate. I. Had. Already.
[46:10]
Matt
Had.
[46:11]
Duncan
A. Bunch. Of. Goings. Back. And. Forth. With. Flint. We. Were. We. Got.
[46:13]
Guest
Along.
[46:14]
Duncan
Well.
[46:14]
Matt
Yeah.
[46:14]
Duncan
Up. Until. The. Whole. Racism. Thing. And. I'd. Made. A. Video. Going. Into. Detail. About. How. What. They. Say. About. The. Origins. Of. Atlantis. Hunting's. But. They. Do. It. To. Pin. It. On. White. Supremacy. Yada. Yada. Yada. And. When. He. Goes. On. That. Debate. At. The. Point. When. He. Starts. Talking. About. The. Racism. And. He's. Like. Well.
[46:31]
Guest
No.
[46:31]
Duncan
I. Didn't. Say.
[46:32]
Guest
That.
[46:32]
Duncan
Well. Yeah. I. Did. Say. That.
[46:33]
Matt
Well.
[46:33]
Guest
No. I. Didn't.
[46:34]
Duncan
Is. It. In. Quotes. And. It's. Like. Dude. You're.
[46:36]
Matt
Lying.
[46:37]
Duncan
You're. Clearly.
[46:38]
Matt
Lying.
[46:38]
Duncan
Right. Now. And. So. Then. I. Went. Back. Through. The. Video. With. The. Fine. Tooth. Comb.
[46:41]
Matt
And.
[46:41]
Guest
There.
[46:41]
Duncan
Were. Multiple. Times.
[46:42]
Matt
That.
[46:43]
Duncan
He. Was.
[46:43]
Matt
Just.
[46:43]
Duncan
Like. We'll. Just. Bend. The. Truth. A. Little.
[46:44]
Matt
Bit. And. Yeah.
[46:45]
Guest
And.
[46:45]
Matt
Here's. The. Thing. Too. Like. Me. Listening. To. That. Debate. As. An. Uneducated. Person. Just. Hearing. It. Like.
[46:54]
Guest
You.
[46:54]
Duncan
Can.
[46:55]
Matt
Certainly. Deceive. People. By. Talking. Fast. And. Confidently.
[46:58]
Duncan
Yes.
[46:58]
Matt
And. That's. What. Flint. Did.
[46:59]
Duncan
Yep.
[47:00]
Matt
Like. He. Was. Very.
[47:01]
Duncan
Calm.
[47:01]
Matt
And. Collected. And. Confident. On. That. Podcast. And. He.
[47:05]
Duncan
Was.
[47:05]
Matt
Throwing. In. That. He. Was. Adding. Context.
[47:08]
Duncan
To.
[47:08]
Matt
Stuff. That. Graham. Was. Saying. And. Like. Coming. Back. At. Graham.
[47:11]
Guest
With.
[47:12]
Matt
Stuff.
[47:12]
Duncan
That.
[47:12]
Matt
He. Was. Saying.
[47:12]
Guest
And.
[47:13]
Matt
Like. I. Was.
[47:13]
Guest
Like.
[47:13]
Duncan
I. Was.
[47:13]
Matt
Like. Impressed. Like.
[47:14]
Duncan
Wow.
[47:14]
Matt
Like. Dude. This. Guy. Knows. His. But.
[47:18]
Duncan
You.
[47:18]
Matt
Know. That's. The. Same. Thing.
[47:20]
Duncan
Ben.
[47:20]
Matt
Shapiro.
[47:21]
Duncan
Does.
[47:21]
Matt
When. He. Argues. With. People.
[47:22]
Guest
He.
[47:22]
Matt
Just. Talks. Very. Fast. To. Where. He's. Like. Outpacing. You. To.
[47:25]
Guest
Where.
[47:25]
Matt
The. Facts. Can't. Catch. Up. With. What. He's. Saying. Because. It. Sounds.
[47:27]
Duncan
So.
[47:27]
Matt
Good. And.
[47:28]
Duncan
He. Says.
[47:28]
Matt
It's.
[47:28]
Duncan
So.
[47:29]
Guest
Confident.
[47:29]
Matt
And. That's. What. I. Think. Joe. And.
[47:31]
Duncan
Graham.
[47:32]
Matt
Were. Talking. About. When. They. Did. Their. Follow. Up. Podcast. Because.
[47:34]
Guest
I.
[47:34]
Matt
Guess. There. Was.
[47:35]
Guest
Some.
[47:35]
Matt
Stuff.
[47:35]
Guest
That. Was.
[47:36]
Duncan
Wrong.
[47:36]
Matt
About. The. Shipwrecks. And. Whatever.
[47:37]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. I. Went. That. I. Went.
[47:41]
Guest
Through.
[47:41]
Duncan
That. With. I. Went. Through. With.
[47:43]
Guest
The.
[47:43]
Duncan
Metallurgy. Thing. Like. Right. Right. In. The. Early. He's. Like. Talking. About. Metallurgy.
[47:48]
Matt
In.
[47:48]
Duncan
Ice. Age. And.
[47:49]
Guest
He.
[47:49]
Duncan
Shows. A. Graph. That's. From.
[47:50]
Matt
The.
[47:50]
Duncan
Roman. Era. And. And. Like. I. Talked. To. An. Ice. Core. Specialist. This. Guy. Doctor. Peter. Neff. Icpd. He. Goes. By.
[48:00]
Guest
On.
[48:00]
Matt
On.
[48:00]
Duncan
Twitter. He. Used. To. Now. He's. On. Tick. Tock. Alone. I. Think. But. Thanks. To. This. Whole. Mess. But. I. Spent.
[48:05]
Matt
An.
[48:06]
Duncan
Hour. On. A. Zoom. Chat.
[48:06]
Guest
With.
[48:06]
Duncan
Him. Because.
[48:07]
Guest
I.
[48:07]
Duncan
Wanted. To. Make. Sure. Before. I. Made. My. Video. My.
[48:08]
Matt
Ducks.
[48:09]
Duncan
Were. In. A. Row.
[48:09]
Matt
Right.
[48:10]
Duncan
And. He. Was. Very. Clear. He's. Like. You. Know. If. We. Don't. Have. The. If. We. Test. Ice. Core. And. It's. Got.
[48:18]
Guest
Lead.
[48:18]
Duncan
In. It. And. We. Don't. Have. Isotopes. Or. A. Archeological. Site. That's. Got. Similar. Isotopes. We. Can't. Really. Conclude. That. It. Was. Metallurgy.
[48:26]
Matt
That.
[48:26]
Duncan
Did. It. So. We've. Never. Looked. For. Metallurgy. In. These. Older. Because. We. Don't. Have. Any. Archeological. Sites.
[48:32]
Guest
That.
[48:32]
Duncan
Correspond. So. We. Don't. Look. For. Metallurgy. Fifteen. Thousand. Years. Ago. In. The. Ice. Cores. Because. We. Don't. Have. An. Archeological. Site. To. Push. Us. In. That. Direction. And. There. Are. Spikes. In. The.
[48:43]
Guest
Lead.
[48:43]
Duncan
Which. Flint. Omitted. When. He. Talked. About.
[48:45]
Matt
About. It.
[48:46]
Duncan
And. So. And. I. Don't. Believe. There. Was. Metallurgy.
[48:48]
Matt
Back.
[48:48]
Duncan
Then. I. Believe. That. Flint. Lied. When. He.
[48:51]
Guest
Was.
[48:51]
Duncan
In. Front. Of. Millions. Of. People. And. That. Is. Kind. Of. A. Big. Deal. It's. The. Other. One. That. He. Did. That'll. Dovetail. With. What. Me. And. Dave. Farina's. Beef. He. Said. That. The. The. Pyramids. Were. Dated. By. Carbon. Dating. And. They're.
[49:04]
Guest
Not.
[49:05]
Duncan
The. Pyramid. The. Carbon. Dating. On. All.
[49:07]
Matt
Of. The.
[49:07]
Duncan
Fourth. Dynasty. Edifices. Is. About. One. Hundred. Fifty. To. Three. Hundred. Years. Old. Older. Than. The. Written. Record. So. They're. Dated. By. Written. Record. And. So.
[49:15]
Matt
Okay. The. Consensus. On.
[49:17]
Duncan
The. Age.
[49:17]
Matt
Of. The. Pyramids. Right. We're. Talking. About. The. Great. Pyramid. And. The. Coffee.
[49:22]
Duncan
Pyramids.
[49:22]
Matt
Three. Big. Boys. On.
[49:23]
Duncan
The.
[49:23]
Matt
Plateau. They. Were. Dated. By. Texts. The. The. Hieroglyphs. And.
[49:30]
Duncan
Stuff.
[49:31]
Matt
And.
[49:31]
Guest
When.
[49:32]
Matt
Were. They. Dated.
[49:32]
Duncan
They. Were. Dated. To. The. The. The. Fourth. Dynasty. Right. About.
[49:37]
Matt
And. When. I'm. Saying. When. Was.
[49:38]
Duncan
The.
[49:38]
Matt
Conclusion. Made.
[49:39]
Duncan
Oh. That. Like. Though. This. Was. Made. Over. One. Hundred. Years. Ago. First. Tested. Carbon. Dating. They. Took. That. To. Egypt. Because. The. Egypt. Timeline. Is. Considered. The. Written. Record. In. Egypt's. Considered. Very. Robust. Now. They. Always. Have. To. It's.
[49:54]
Matt
Not.
[49:54]
Duncan
Just. The. Written. Record. Right. When. I.
[49:55]
Guest
When.
[49:55]
Duncan
You. Say. Written. Record. There's. Like. Multiple. Different. Written. Records. That. Come. Into. Play. And. Then. There's. You.
[50:00]
Guest
Know.
[50:00]
Duncan
Other. Letters. And. Stuff. From. Kings. To. Other. People. And. There.
[50:03]
Guest
Are.
[50:03]
Duncan
Astronomical. Things. That. Happen. That. There's. A. Bunch. Of. That's. Involved.
[50:07]
Matt
There's.
[50:07]
Duncan
A. Bunch.
[50:08]
Matt
Of.
[50:08]
Duncan
We. Call. It. The. Writing.
[50:10]
Matt
Writing.
[50:10]
Duncan
In.
[50:11]
Matt
Itself.
[50:11]
Duncan
Is. What. You. Just. Said. What. You. Just. Said. But. I. Want. To. Really. Quickly. Point. Out. That. Like. This. Is. The. Sticking. Point. Between. Me. And. Dave. Farina. Is. Because. I. Told. Him. That. This. Is. An. Example. Of. Archaeology. Not. Operates. A. Science. They. Have. This. Written. Record. And. Then. They. Have. This. Hard. Data. And. Just. Like. A. Bible. Thumper. Is. Apt. To. Do. They. Take. That. Hard. Data.
[50:35]
Matt
And.
[50:35]
Guest
They're.
[50:36]
Duncan
Like. I'm. Going.
[50:36]
Matt
To.
[50:36]
Duncan
Shove.
[50:36]
Matt
This.
[50:37]
Guest
That.
[50:37]
Duncan
Into. My. Written. Record.
[50:38]
Guest
And.
[50:38]
Duncan
Make.
[50:38]
Matt
It.
[50:38]
Duncan
Fit. And. Dave. Posted. A. Paper. Where. They. What.
[50:43]
Guest
Did.
[50:43]
Duncan
They.
[50:43]
Matt
Carbon.
[50:44]
Duncan
Date. They. They. Carbon. Dated. Wood. And. Seed. Matter. That. Was. Found. In. The. Mortar. And. So. Some.
[50:51]
Guest
Of. It.
[50:51]
Duncan
Was. Done. In. On. The. Interior. And. Stuff. So. It. Is. It. Does. It. Does. Make. It. Difficult. It's. Pretty. Even. Graham. You. Know. Back. In. Like. Ninety. Six. In. Message.
[51:01]
Guest
Of.
[51:02]
Duncan
The. Sphinx. He. Said. That. The. Pyramids. Were. Definitely. Built. Built. By. Khafre. And. Stuff. But. By.
[51:07]
Guest
The.
[51:07]
Duncan
Kings. In. The. Fourth. Dynasty. But. He. Believes. The. Floor. Plan. The. Layout. Is. Much. Much. Older. But. At. Any. Rate. The. Fact. Is. That. What. They. Did. To. Get. Rid. Of. This. And. This. One. Disparity. In. The. First. Dynasty. Second. Dynasty. The. Written. Record. And. Carbon. Dating. Lineup. Crate. You. Get. To. The.
[51:27]
Guest
End.
[51:28]
Duncan
Of.
[51:28]
Matt
The.
[51:28]
Duncan
Third. Dynasty. And. The. Fourth. Dynasty. And. They. Veer. Off. For. A. Couple. Hundred. Years. And. They. Go. Back. Together. At. The. Beginning. Beginning. Of. The. Fifth. Right. When. All. The. Cool. Shit's. Getting. Built. The. Carbon. Dating. Goes. Off.
[51:37]
Matt
When.
[51:38]
Duncan
Is.
[51:38]
Matt
The. Fifth. Dynasty. What. Year.
[51:40]
Duncan
Was. The. Fourth. Dynasty. Was.
[51:41]
Matt
Like.
[51:41]
Duncan
Twenty. Six. Hundred. Bc. So. The. Fifth. Would. Be. Probably. Twenty. Five. Forty. Or. Something. Like.
[51:45]
Matt
That.
[51:45]
Guest
I'm.
[51:46]
Matt
Not.
[51:46]
Duncan
I'd. Have. I'm. Not. Off.
[51:47]
Matt
Of. My.
[51:47]
Duncan
Head. But. Each.
[51:50]
Matt
Dynasty.
[51:50]
Duncan
Was.
[51:51]
Matt
Roughly. How. Many. Years. Apart.
[51:53]
Duncan
Yeah. One. Hundred. Some. Were. Seventy. And. Some. Were. A. Couple. Hundred. But. The.
[52:01]
Matt
Can.
[52:01]
Guest
You.
[52:01]
Matt
Find. Me. Like.
[52:01]
Duncan
A.
[52:02]
Matt
Beautiful. Graphic. Timeline. Of. The. Egyptian. Dynasties. For.
[52:08]
Duncan
My.
[52:08]
Matt
Elementary. School. Brain. Dynast. You. You.
[52:15]
Duncan
Can.
[52:15]
Matt
Keep. Going.
[52:15]
Duncan
Oh. Okay. Sorry. But. Yeah. The. The. Fact. That. The. Carbon.
[52:20]
Matt
Dating. The.
[52:22]
Duncan
Fact. The. Carbon. Dating. Is. Different. Was. Only. In. That. Area. Has. Bothered. Egyptologists. Ever. Since. They. They. Collated. The. Data. And. I. Want. To. Say. Two. Thousand. Is. It. Two. Thousand. One. Or. Two. Thousand. Nine. But. They. Did. A. Paper.
[52:35]
Guest
In.
[52:36]
Duncan
Like. Twenty. Sixteen. That. They. Use. Bayesian. Modeling. If. You. Know. What. Bayesian. Modeling. Is. I. Didn't. Until. This. But.
[52:43]
Matt
I.
[52:43]
Duncan
Dig. Into. Stuff. It's. My. Job. So. In. This. Case. What. Bayesian. Modeling. Is. Basically. You. Start. With. An. Idea. You. Start. With.
[52:51]
Guest
A.
[52:51]
Duncan
Known. And. You. Try. To. Modify. It.
[52:54]
Guest
With.
[52:55]
Duncan
A. Mathematical. Formula. Including. Other. Things. And. So. You. Prioritize. Different. Information. And.
[53:01]
Guest
You.
[53:01]
Duncan
Revisit. Your. Original. Belief. Over. And. Over. And. Over. Again. And. So. What. They. Did. With. The. Bayesian. Modeling. On. This. Is. So. Fucked. Because. They. Got.
[53:12]
Guest
All.
[53:12]
Duncan
These. Carbon. Dates. That. Are. All. Over. The. Place. Right. But. They. Tend.
[53:16]
Matt
To.
[53:16]
Duncan
Lean. To. That. Two. Hundred. Fifty. Years. Older. So. To. Make. It. Work. They. Eliminated. All. The. Dates. That. Didn't. Correspond. With. A. Known. Rule. Ruler. And. Then. They. Favored. The. Dates. That. Were. The. Most. Recent. And. That's. Just. The. Most. Ridiculous. Thing. Ever. Oh. Well. Look. We. Massaged. The. Data. Look. We. Did. Science. And. Made. It. All. Go. Away. And. It's. Not. Science. It's. Like. If. We. Say. That. There. Is. That. You. Say.
[53:40]
Guest
You. Owe.
[53:40]
Duncan
Me. Dollar. One. And. I. Say. You.
[53:42]
Guest
Owe.
[53:42]
Matt
Me.
[53:42]
Duncan
A. Hundred. And. Then. I. Say. Look. At. This. Mathematical. Equation. That. I. Just. Did. That. Favors. The. More. Bigger. Numbers. Than. The. Smaller. Ones. Guess.
[53:50]
Matt
What.
[53:51]
Duncan
You. Do. Owe.
[53:52]
Matt
Me.
[53:52]
Duncan
Eighty. Bucks. It's. Like. It's. Not. Science. This. Was. Just. Mathematic. Thirty. One.
[53:58]
Matt
Dynasties.
[53:59]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah.
[54:00]
Matt
Thirty. One.
[54:00]
Duncan
It.
[54:01]
Matt
Went.
[54:01]
Duncan
On. For. A. While.
[54:03]
Matt
But.
[54:04]
Duncan
It.
[54:04]
Matt
Start. So. The. Dynasty.
[54:06]
Duncan
Number.
[54:07]
Matt
One. Was. Three. Thousand. Five. Hundred. Is.
[54:10]
Duncan
That. Right. Right. In. There. I. Think. Thirty. Two. Maybe.
[54:13]
Matt
Okay.
[54:14]
Duncan
But. Yeah. It. Was. The. The. Unification. Of.
[54:16]
Matt
The.
[54:16]
Duncan
Two. Lands. But. Yeah. There's. So. That. That. Little. Bubble. My. Whole. Thing. Is. Like. I. Say. The. Carbon. Dating. Lines.
[54:24]
Matt
Up.
[54:25]
Duncan
All. Those. Other. Dynasties. Pretty. Well. But. Just. That. One. Little. Spot.
[54:29]
Guest
Around.
[54:29]
Duncan
The.
[54:29]
Matt
Fifth.
[54:30]
Duncan
Yeah. The. Third. The. Fourth. Is. The. Big. One. That's. When.
[54:32]
Guest
All. The.
[54:32]
Duncan
Cool. The. Sphinx. And. Those. Three. Big. Pyramids. Were. Said. To. Have. Been. Built. But. The. End. Of. The. Third. All. The. Way.
[54:37]
Matt
To.
[54:37]
Duncan
The. Beginning. Of.
[54:37]
Matt
The.
[54:37]
Duncan
Fifth.
[54:38]
Matt
And. It's. Supposed. To.
[54:39]
Duncan
Be.
[54:39]
Matt
Twenty. Years.
[54:39]
Duncan
Or. Something. Like.
[54:40]
Matt
That.
[54:42]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. I've. Called. That. One. The. Gateway. Drug.
[54:45]
Guest
To.
[54:45]
Duncan
Being. A. Pyramidiate. The.
[54:50]
Guest
Gateway. Drug.
[54:51]
Duncan
When.
[54:52]
Matt
They.
[54:52]
Duncan
Tell.
[54:52]
Matt
You.
[54:52]
Duncan
The. Built.
[54:53]
Guest
It.
[54:53]
Duncan
In. Twenty. Years. Any. Guy. With. A. Tool. Belt's. Like. Yeah. They. Did. Man. Sure. Come. On. Dude. That's.
[55:03]
Matt
Hilarious. Man.
[55:04]
Duncan
But. You.
[55:06]
Matt
Know.
[55:06]
Duncan
I. I. Pointed.
[55:07]
Matt
Out.
[55:08]
Duncan
That. Dave. That. To. Dave. That. That. Paper. Used. A. Bayesian. Modeling. Just. All. It. Was. Just. Mathematical.
[55:14]
Matt
Yeah.
[55:14]
Duncan
And. Then. I. Pointed. Out. That. My. Belief. Isn't. The. Same. As. Graham's. I. Think. That. That. You. Know. King. Sneferu. Like. The. The. Egypt. He's. Got.
[55:22]
Guest
The.
[55:22]
Duncan
Three. Pyramids. Right. The. Three. He's. Got. Three. Big. Pyramids. The. Bent. The. Red. And. The. Step. And. He's. The. Only. Ruler. With. Three. Big. Pyramids. And. They're. Like. The. First. Three. Big. Ones. I. Think. He. Deleted. Somebody. I. Think. He. Deleted. Another. Dynasty. I. Think. He. Claimed. Their. Shit.
[55:37]
Matt
As.
[55:37]
Duncan
His. Own. Because. You. Can't. You. Can't. Erase. A. Dynasty. If. They. Got. A. Big. Ass. Building. Without. Stealing. That. Building. As. Your. Own.
[55:43]
Matt
Right.
[55:44]
Duncan
And. I. Think. That's.
[55:45]
Guest
Why.
[55:45]
Duncan
The. Carbon. Dating. Veers. Off.
[55:47]
Guest
The.
[55:47]
Duncan
Written. Records. I. Think. That's. Why. Everything. Kind. Of.
[55:50]
Guest
Goes.
[55:50]
Duncan
To. There. For. A. Minute. And. Professor. Dave. Didn't. Want. To. Discuss. That. One. So. I'm. Going. To. Challenge. Him.
[55:57]
Matt
I.
[55:58]
Duncan
Want. To. Debate. His. Ass. On. This. One. Since. He. Keeps. Hiding. From. Me. On. It. Because. It's.
[56:04]
Guest
Not.
[56:04]
Duncan
A. Big. Deal. To. Some. People. But. It's. A. Huge. Deal.
[56:06]
Matt
To.
[56:06]
Duncan
Me. Because. If. Archaeology. Is. Claiming. To. Be. A. Science. And. It's. Claiming. To. Do. Follow. The. Scientific. Method. It's. Leaning. On. Itself. In. Favor. Of. A. Story. It. Wants.
[56:18]
Matt
To.
[56:18]
Duncan
Hold. Up. A. Narrative. At. That. Point. And.
[56:20]
Guest
I'm.
[56:20]
Duncan
Not. Saying. There's. Some. Big. Cabal. To. Conspiracies. I'm. Just. Saying. That. The. Egyptologists. All. Say.
[56:24]
Matt
That.
[56:25]
Duncan
This. Written. Record's. Got. To. Be. What's. Right. And. This. Carbon. Dating. Is. Just. Pesky. And. So. They. Make. It. Go. Away. And. That's.
[56:30]
Matt
Not.
[56:31]
Duncan
Fucking. Science. Dude. As. An. Electrician.
[56:33]
Guest
I.
[56:33]
Duncan
Couldn't. Do. That. Oh.
[56:34]
Matt
Man.
[56:34]
Duncan
I. Sure. Wish. That. We. Didn't. Have.
[56:35]
Matt
To.
[56:35]
Duncan
Have.
[56:36]
Matt
A.
[56:36]
Duncan
Ground. Here. But. I'll. Just. Do.
[56:37]
Guest
With.
[56:37]
Matt
That.
[56:38]
Duncan
It's. Not. How. That.
[56:38]
Matt
Works.
[56:39]
Guest
Man.
[56:39]
Matt
So.
[56:40]
Duncan
But. That. Was. You. Know. That. Was. Actual. Science. Stuff. You're. Actually. Working. With. Nature. As. Opposed.
[56:44]
Matt
To.
[56:44]
Duncan
Just. Trying. To. Write. A. Story. You.
[56:47]
Guest
Know.
[56:47]
Duncan
Historians. Are. Smart. Enough. To. Not.
[56:49]
Matt
Call.
[56:50]
Duncan
Themselves. Scientists. Even.
[56:51]
Guest
Though.
[56:51]
Duncan
They. Do. The. Exact.
[56:52]
Guest
Same.
[56:52]
Matt
Thing. And.
[56:52]
Guest
They.
[56:52]
Duncan
Disagree. On.
[56:53]
Matt
Tons. Of. Stuff.
[56:53]
Duncan
Yeah. Of.
[56:54]
Guest
Course.
[56:54]
Duncan
They. Do.
[56:55]
Matt
As. We. Get. Older. Life. Insurance. Is.
[56:57]
Guest
One.
[56:57]
Matt
Of. Those. Things. We. Should. Probably. Stop. Avoiding. Nobody. Wants. To. Sit. Around. Thinking. About. Worst. Case. Scenarios.
[57:02]
Duncan
But.
[57:02]
Matt
If.
[57:02]
Duncan
You.
[57:02]
Matt
Have.
[57:02]
Duncan
A.
[57:03]
Matt
Family.
[57:03]
Guest
That.
[57:03]
Matt
Depends. On. You. This.
[57:04]
Duncan
Is.
[57:04]
Matt
One. Of. The. Most. Responsible. Things. You.
[57:05]
Guest
Can.
[57:06]
Matt
Can.
[57:06]
Guest
Do.
[57:06]
Matt
I. Always. Thought.
[57:06]
Guest
It.
[57:07]
Matt
Was.
[57:07]
Guest
Going. To.
[57:07]
Matt
Be. Way.
[57:07]
Duncan
Over.
[57:07]
Matt
Complicated. Time. Consuming. And. Involve.
[57:09]
Duncan
A.
[57:09]
Matt
Bunch. Of. Paperwork. But. That's.
[57:10]
Duncan
Where.
[57:11]
Matt
Ethos. Comes.
[57:11]
Duncan
In.
[57:12]
Matt
And. Makes. The. Job. Way. Easier. Ethos. Helps. You.
[57:14]
Duncan
Get.
[57:14]
Matt
Life. Insurance. Fast.
[57:15]
Guest
And. Easy.
[57:16]
Matt
And. One. Hundred. Percent. Online.
[57:17]
Duncan
You. Can.
[57:18]
Matt
Get. A. Quote.
[57:18]
Duncan
In.
[57:18]
Matt
Seconds. Apply. In. Minutes. And. Potentially.
[57:20]
Guest
Get.
[57:20]
Matt
Same.
[57:21]
Duncan
Day.
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Matt
Coverage. There's.
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Duncan
No.
[57:22]
Matt
Medical. Exam. You.
[57:23]
Guest
Just.
[57:23]
Matt
Answer. A. Few. Simple. Health. Questions. Online.
[57:25]
Guest
You.
[57:25]
Duncan
Can. Get.
[57:26]
Matt
Up. To. Three. Million. Dollars. In. Coverage. And. Some. Policies. Are. Even. As.
[57:29]
Guest
Low.
[57:29]
Matt
As. Thirty. Dollars. A. Month. Ethos. Helps. Provide. Financial. Security. By. Connecting.
[57:33]
Guest
You.
[57:33]
Matt
With. Coverage. Through. Their. Networks. Of. Trusted. Carriers. And. They. Have. Four. Point. Eight.
[57:38]
Guest
Five.
[57:38]
Matt
Stars.
[57:38]
Duncan
On.
[57:38]
Matt
Trustpilot.
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Guest
With.
[57:39]
Duncan
Over.
[57:39]
Matt
Four. Thousand. Reviews. This. Is. One. Of. Those. Things. That. Takes. Just. Minutes. Now. But.
[57:43]
Duncan
Makes.
[57:43]
Guest
A.
[57:43]
Matt
Massive. Difference. Down.
[57:44]
Guest
The.
[57:44]
Matt
Road. Take. Just. Ten.
[57:46]
Guest
Minutes.
[57:46]
Duncan
To.
[57:46]
Matt
Get. Covered. Today. With. Life. Insurance. Through. Ethos.
[57:48]
Duncan
Get.
[57:49]
Matt
Your. Free. Quote. At. Ethos. Dot. Com. Danny. That's. E. T. H. O. S. Dot.
[57:54]
Duncan
Com.
[57:55]
Matt
Danny. Application. Times. And. Rates. May. Vary.
[57:57]
Duncan
Then.
[57:58]
Matt
They.
[57:58]
Duncan
Should. They. Should. They. Should. Have. Debates. And. Stuff. They. Should. You. Know. But. When. It. Comes. To. Our. Past.
[58:03]
Matt
And. Even. Debates. You. Don't.
[58:05]
Duncan
Really.
[58:05]
Matt
Get. Anywhere.
[58:05]
Duncan
No.
[58:06]
Guest
You.
[58:06]
Duncan
Know.
[58:06]
Matt
I. Mean. So. The. People. That.
[58:08]
Duncan
Are.
[58:08]
Matt
Doing.
[58:08]
Guest
The.
[58:09]
Matt
Debating. Now. Never.
[58:09]
Duncan
Get.
[58:09]
Matt
Anywhere.
[58:10]
Duncan
They.
[58:10]
Matt
Stay. They. Stay. Separated. But. Sometimes. Like. It's. Happened.
[58:13]
Guest
With.
[58:13]
Matt
Me. Where. I've. Done. That. And. I've. Kind. Of. Like. Switched.
[58:15]
Duncan
My.
[58:15]
Matt
Position. On. Things.
[58:16]
Duncan
A. Little.
[58:16]
Guest
Bit.
[58:16]
Matt
Or. Found. Out. Like. Okay. The. Truth. Is. Not. Where. I.
[58:18]
Guest
Thought.
[58:18]
Matt
It.
[58:18]
Duncan
Was. Yeah. Debates. Debates.
[58:20]
Matt
Are.
[58:20]
Duncan
Useful. That. Way. But. Like. You. Were. Saying. About. Ben. Shapiro. And. Flint.
[58:24]
Matt
Yeah.
[58:24]
Duncan
And.
[58:25]
Matt
I.
[58:25]
Duncan
Mean.
[58:25]
Matt
The.
[58:26]
Duncan
Other. One. You. Know. If. I. Start. Throwing. At. You. If. I'm. Doing. The. Ben. Shapiro. Thing. I. Guess.
[58:32]
Matt
Rapid. Fire.
[58:32]
Duncan
And. I. And. I. And. It's. Loaded. With. Real. Fact. Real. Fact. Real. Fact. You're.
[58:38]
Matt
Dude.
[58:38]
Duncan
You're. Never. Gonna. Keep. And. If. I'm. Better. On.
[58:40]
Matt
You.
[58:40]
Duncan
Than. Came. And. I. Can. Suck. And. Jive. And. Just. There's. All. So. Many. Things. That. Have. Nothing. To. Do. With. Who's. Right. And. Who's. Wrong. It. Just. Has. To. Do.
[58:48]
Guest
With.
[58:48]
Duncan
Who. Can. Play. The. Field. Better. It's. You. Know. Salesmen. Are. They. Work. That. All.
[58:55]
Guest
The.
[58:55]
Matt
Time.
[58:55]
Duncan
Same. Exact. Thing. You. Don't. Need. The. Product. But. They're. Going. To.
[58:57]
Guest
Make. You.
[58:58]
Duncan
Want. That.
[58:59]
Matt
One.
[59:00]
Duncan
Hundred.
[59:00]
Matt
Percent. Man. That's.
[59:01]
Duncan
The.
[59:01]
Guest
Way.
[59:01]
Matt
It.
[59:01]
Duncan
Works.
[59:02]
Matt
And. You. Know. We. Found. We. We. We. Were. Able. To. Like.
[59:05]
Duncan
Prove. Some.
[59:06]
Matt
Stuff. Wrong. When.
[59:06]
Guest
He.
[59:06]
Matt
Was. On.
[59:06]
Duncan
Here.
[59:07]
Matt
Not. Related. To. The. Ancient. Civilization. Stuff.
[59:09]
Duncan
But.
[59:09]
Matt
Some. Other. Stuff. On. Like. You. Know. On. Like. Pharmaceutical. Industry. St. Stuff.
[59:13]
Duncan
Like.
[59:13]
Matt
All. These. Claims. It's. Just. Like. It's. Just. Like. There's. No. The. Problem. With. Me. With. Me. On. Both. Sides. On.
[59:19]
Duncan
His.
[59:19]
Matt
Side. On. On. The. The. The. Mainstream. Ivory. Tower. Science. Defender. Side. And. On. The. Complete. Like. Out.
[59:26]
Duncan
In.
[59:27]
Matt
Outer. Space. Conspiracy. Theorist. Side. Which. I'm. More. On.
[59:32]
Duncan
Me.
[59:33]
Matt
Too. Is. Like. There's. Not. Like. They. Don't. Pick.
[59:38]
Guest
A.
[59:38]
Matt
Few.
[59:38]
Duncan
Over.
[59:38]
Matt
Here. And. Or.
[59:40]
Duncan
A. Few.
[59:40]
Matt
Over. There. Like. Pick. From. A. Bunch. Of. Different. A.
[59:43]
Guest
Bunch.
[59:43]
Matt
Of. Different. Kind. Of. Like. Groups. Of. Things. That. They. Want.
[59:45]
Guest
To.
[59:45]
Matt
Incorporate. Into. Their. Worldview. It's. Like. All. One. Or. It's.
[59:48]
Duncan
All.
[59:49]
Matt
The. Other. Right. It's. Like. Like. Blue. No. Matter. Who. Or. Or. Whatever. It.
[59:53]
Duncan
Is.
[59:53]
Matt
They. Just. Like. They. They.
[59:54]
Guest
They.
[59:55]
Matt
Fall. In. Line. With. That. Cult.
[60:00]
Guest
Or.
[60:00]
Matt
Whatever. You. Want.
[60:00]
Duncan
To.
[60:00]
Matt
Call. It. You.
[60:02]
Duncan
Know.
[60:02]
Matt
Lockstep.
[60:03]
Duncan
I. Completely. Agree. It's. It's. A. Really. Sad. Thing. It's. One. Of.
[60:05]
Guest
The.
[60:05]
Duncan
Frustrating. Things. About. Our. Country. As.
[60:07]
Guest
A. Two.
[60:07]
Duncan
Party. System. I. Think. It. Facilitates. That. Really.
[60:10]
Matt
Well. Because.
[60:11]
Duncan
People. Most. People. Are. Generally. Single. Issue. Voters. They're. There. For. Abortion. Or. Gun. Control. Or. The. Border. Finance. Whatever. The. Right. And. Sorry.
[60:20]
Guest
I. Was.
[60:20]
Duncan
Just. Trying. To.
[60:20]
Matt
Get.
[60:20]
Duncan
You. Demonetized. There. Apparently. I'm. Sorry. Buzzword. Buzzword. Buzzword. But. You. Know. So. Then. You. Come. In. You. Find. Your. Constituents. These. Guys. All. Agree. With. Me. On. My.
[60:31]
Matt
My.
[60:32]
Duncan
Hot. Button. Topic. And. So. Now. Now. They. Just. Told. Me. What. I. Feel. About. Everything. Else. Or.
[60:35]
Guest
I.
[60:35]
Duncan
Lose. All. My. Buddies. And. We're. Social. Critters. And. So. It's. Not. It's. It. Is. A. Real. Easy. Game.
[60:40]
Matt
To. Play.
[60:40]
Duncan
Real. Easy.
[60:41]
Guest
Game.
[60:41]
Duncan
To. Play. It's. Just. Unfortunate. Because. It. Ends. Up. Making. Even. People. Like. Myself. That.
[60:49]
Matt
And. You.
[60:49]
Guest
Bring.
[60:49]
Matt
Ego. Into. It. Too.
[60:51]
Duncan
Yeah. Of. Course.
[60:53]
Matt
Especially. On. Debates.
[60:54]
Duncan
Yeah. Right. Because. You.
[60:55]
Matt
Just. Want. To. Win. You. Want. To.
[60:57]
Duncan
Look.
[60:57]
Matt
Like. The. Smarter. One.
[60:58]
Duncan
That's. The. Whole.
[60:59]
Guest
Point.
[60:59]
Matt
For.
[60:59]
Duncan
Being. There. Right.
[60:59]
Matt
Right.
[61:01]
Duncan
You. Learn. In. Debate. Class. You. Have. All.
[61:02]
Matt
Of.
[61:02]
Guest
Kinds.
[61:03]
Duncan
Kinds.
[61:03]
Matt
Of.
[61:03]
Duncan
Positions. You. Take. That. You. Don't. Believe. Right. If.
[61:05]
Matt
You.
[61:05]
Duncan
Take. Debate. In. High. School. I. Think. You'll. Be. Affirmative. And. Against. On. The. Same. Topic.
[61:11]
Matt
You've.
[61:11]
Duncan
Done.
[61:11]
Matt
A. Lot. Of. Debates. Though. Right.
[61:12]
Duncan
Oh. That. Was.
[61:13]
Guest
My.
[61:13]
Duncan
First. Debate. Actually.
[61:14]
Matt
Oh. Really.
[61:15]
Duncan
I.
[61:15]
Guest
Thought.
[61:15]
Matt
You've.
[61:15]
Duncan
Done.
[61:16]
Matt
Quite.
[61:16]
Guest
A.
[61:16]
Matt
Bit.
[61:16]
Guest
On.
[61:16]
Matt
Like.
[61:17]
Duncan
On.
[61:17]
Matt
Like. Virtually. At. Least.
[61:18]
Guest
Oh.
[61:18]
Duncan
No. No. I. I. Mean. I. I've. Talked. I. Okay. No. Yeah. And. Stuff.
[61:24]
Matt
Or. Maybe. You. Wouldn't. Come.
[61:25]
Duncan
To.
[61:25]
Matt
Base.
[61:25]
Guest
But.
[61:25]
Matt
I. Feel.
[61:25]
Duncan
Like. You.
[61:26]
Matt
Talked.
[61:26]
Duncan
To.
[61:26]
Guest
A.
[61:26]
Matt
Lot. Of. People. With. Very. Different. Viewpoints. Than. You.
[61:28]
Duncan
I. Have. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Try. To. Go. Out.
[61:30]
Guest
Of.
[61:30]
Duncan
My. Way. To. Do. That. And. I. Value. Science. A. Lot. I. Guess. That's. One. Of. The. Big. Things. That. Kind. Of. Puts.
[61:37]
Guest
Me.
[61:37]
Duncan
In. A. Different. Spot. Than. A. Lot. Of. The. Other. Pyramidiates. In.
[61:40]
Matt
Our.
[61:40]
Duncan
Community. Is. That. I. You. Know. I. Really. Care. A.
[61:44]
Guest
Lot.
[61:44]
Duncan
About. The. Scientific. Method. And. That's. One.
[61:46]
Matt
Of.
[61:47]
Duncan
Honestly. One. Of. The. Things. That. Really. Pisses. Me. Off. About. Archeology. Because. It's. Like. It. Is. And. I. Think. It's. Where. The. Ego. Gets.
[61:52]
Guest
So.
[61:53]
Duncan
Hard. On. Them. They're. They. Larp. As. Scientists. And. They. Fucking.
[61:55]
Matt
Know. It.
[61:56]
Duncan
They're.
[61:56]
Matt
Archaeologists.
[61:57]
Duncan
Yeah. Carbon. Dating. Science. Man. Stratigraphy. That. You.
[62:01]
Matt
Can.
[62:01]
Duncan
Call. That. A. Science. But. Putting. It.
[62:02]
Matt
All.
[62:03]
Duncan
Together. In. Some. Little. Package. And. Saying. These. People. Were. The. First.
[62:06]
Guest
One.
[62:06]
Duncan
In. The. Americas. And. Anything. Else. Is. A. Stupid. Idea. That. Is. Not. Science. And. That's. Fucking. Dogma. And. This. Has. Been.
[62:12]
Matt
Going.
[62:12]
Duncan
On. Forever. You. Know. They'll. They'll. Say. Oh. Clovis. First. Was.
[62:15]
Matt
A.
[62:15]
Duncan
One. Off. And. I'm. Sure. You. Know. About. Clovis.
[62:17]
Matt
First.
[62:17]
Duncan
Right. But. There's. A. Dude. Ailes. Hydraulica. He. Was. The. Smithsonian. Institute. Archaeologist. Back. In. The. Thirties. He's. The. Guy. That. Turned. All. The. Giant. Bones. From. Six. Foot. Seven. To. Six. Foot. Two. In. The. Records. But. He. Also. It's. Even.
[62:33]
Guest
On.
[62:33]
Duncan
The. Wikipedia. Page. About. The. Fulsome. Tradition. He. Fought. Against. The. Idea. That. Anybody. Could. Have. Peopled. The. Americas. Before. About. Three. Thousand. Years. Ago. And. It. Says. Even. On. The. Wikipedia. Page. Despite. Being. Edited. By. Guys. Like. John. Hoopes. It. Says. That.
[62:50]
Guest
Any.
[62:50]
Duncan
Archaeologist. Desirous. Of. A. Successful. Career. Career. Couldn't. Posit.
[62:54]
Matt
That.
[62:54]
Duncan
There. Was. People. In. The. Americas. More. Than. Three. Thousand. Years. Ago. When. Ailes. Was. Running. Around. And. This. Is. This. Is. How. It's. It's. Always. How. It. Is. When. There's. A.
[63:02]
Matt
Dog.
[63:02]
Duncan
I.
[63:03]
Matt
Mean.
[63:03]
Duncan
Archeology. Started. Out. As. A. Bunch. Of. Antique. Collectors. That. Were. Like. Man.
[63:07]
Matt
How.
[63:07]
Duncan
Do. Was. This. One. Older. Or. Was. This. One. Older. But. We. Should. Probably. Look. Into. This.
[63:11]
Matt
Is. That. True.
[63:11]
Duncan
Yes. That's. Exactly. Where.
[63:13]
Matt
It.
[63:13]
Duncan
Started. From. The. Archeology. Is. The. Whole. Entire. Field. Started. From. From.
[63:18]
Guest
And.
[63:19]
Duncan
If. You.
[63:19]
Guest
Really.
[63:19]
Duncan
Want.
[63:19]
Matt
To. Get.
[63:20]
Duncan
All. Left. Leaning. Politically. Correct. From. White. People. Looting. The. Indigenous. Artifacts. Artifacts.
[63:24]
Matt
And.
[63:24]
Duncan
Putting.
[63:24]
Guest
Them.
[63:24]
Duncan
On. Shelves. That's. That's. That's.
[63:26]
Matt
What.
[63:27]
Duncan
Archaeology. Started. From. Look. The. Kachina. Dolls. In. The. Southwest. You. Ever. Seen. Those.
[63:31]
Matt
Maybe.
[63:32]
Duncan
They're. Pueblo. Nowadays. They're.
[63:34]
Matt
Like.
[63:34]
Duncan
A. Thousand. Bucks. For. A. Good. When. They're. Pueblo. Dolls. That. Were. Made. To. Represent. Different. Gods. Two. Hundred. Years. Ago.
[63:41]
Matt
They.
[63:41]
Duncan
Were. Made. From. Corn. Cobs. And. They. Look. Like. A. Cheap. Little. Effigy. All. Of. The. Anthropologists. In. The. Late. Eighteen. Hundreds. And. Early. Nineteen. Hundreds. That. Became. A. Big. Rage. Was. Kachina. Dolls. Because. As. The. Noble. Savage.
[63:53]
Matt
Was.
[63:53]
Duncan
Being. Destroyed. From. America. As. They. Wanted.
[63:56]
Matt
To.
[63:56]
Duncan
Get.
[63:56]
Matt
All.
[63:56]
Duncan
The. Artifacts. And. So. These. Scientists. With. They've. Actually. Encouraged. We. Don't. Get. They. Just. Don't.
[64:02]
Guest
Really.
[64:03]
Duncan
Make. Normal. Kachina. Dolls. Anymore. They. Don't. Make. Those. Corn. Cob. Things. Really. Anymore. They. Make. These. Warhammer.
[64:08]
Guest
Forty.
[64:08]
Duncan
K. Miniatures. That. Are. Blown. Up. To. Twenty. They're. All. Painted. And. They're. Shaded. And. They're. Imposed. And. It's. Like. Okay. All. Right. But. You. Know. This. Is. It's. Been.
[64:18]
Matt
That.
[64:18]
Duncan
Way.
[64:19]
Matt
These.
[64:19]
Guest
Were.
[64:19]
Matt
Artifact. Collectors.
[64:21]
Duncan
Who.
[64:21]
Matt
Wanted.
[64:21]
Duncan
To.
[64:21]
Matt
Figure. Out. How. Legit. Their. Stuff. Was.
[64:23]
Duncan
Yes. Sir.
[64:24]
Matt
And. Try. To.
[64:25]
Duncan
Figure.
[64:25]
Matt
Out.
[64:25]
Duncan
Back.
[64:25]
Matt
Engineer. It. And.
[64:26]
Guest
Do.
[64:26]
Matt
The. Science. To. Figure.
[64:27]
Guest
Out.
[64:28]
Matt
Wow. To.
[64:28]
Duncan
Figure. Out.
[64:29]
Matt
How.
[64:29]
Duncan
Much.
[64:29]
Matt
Value. They. Had.
[64:31]
Duncan
Yeah. And. And. Now. They. Call. It. A. Science. And. They. Again. Historians. Use. The. Same. They. Do. Well. This.
[64:39]
Guest
Is.
[64:39]
Matt
The. Fucking.
[64:40]
Duncan
Problem.
[64:40]
Matt
With.
[64:40]
Guest
It.
[64:41]
Matt
You. Want.
[64:41]
Duncan
To.
[64:41]
Matt
Say. That. Commerce. And. Science. Are. Two. Different. Things. But. That's.
[64:45]
Guest
Not. True.
[64:46]
Duncan
No. There. Never. Happen.
[64:47]
Matt
They're. Fucking. So. Intertwined. Mind.
[64:50]
Duncan
Yeah.
[64:50]
Matt
It's. Not. Even.
[64:51]
Guest
Funny.
[64:51]
Duncan
And.
[64:51]
Matt
Every. Aspect. Of. Science.
[64:52]
Duncan
Is.
[64:52]
Matt
Intertwined. With.
[64:53]
Duncan
Clear.
[64:54]
Matt
Money.
[64:54]
Duncan
Clearly. Like. Like. You. When. You. Were. Talking. To. Dave. About. The. About. Pharma. And. About.
[64:58]
Guest
The.
[64:59]
Duncan
Whole. The. I. Mean. You. Could. See. His. Position. Was. Totally. Faith. Based.
[65:03]
Guest
He.
[65:04]
Duncan
Didn't. Have. Evidence. To. Go. On. To. Say.
[65:05]
Guest
What.
[65:05]
Matt
He's.
[65:06]
Duncan
Saying. He's. Like. Oh. This. Iverdom. Mexican. Killed. All. These. People. Because. Yeah. Ivermectin. There. You. Go. They. Killed. All. These. People. Because. They. Didn't. Get. Coveted. Treatments. Like. You. Got. Numbers.
[65:15]
Matt
On.
[65:16]
Duncan
On. This. Or. You.
[65:17]
Matt
Just.
[65:17]
Duncan
Saying. Okay. Cool.
[65:18]
Matt
Yeah.
[65:19]
Duncan
No. No. Statistics. All. Right. Cool. That's. That's. Nice. To. Know. I. It's. Like. Dude. The. You.
[65:25]
Guest
Know.
[65:25]
Duncan
We. Saw. I've.
[65:26]
Matt
Never. Seen. Anybody. Defend. These. Billion. Dollar. Corporations.
[65:30]
Duncan
Like. That. That. Was. Insane.
[65:31]
Matt
Like. I. Said. On. One.
[65:32]
Duncan
On.
[65:32]
Matt
One. Hand. You. You. Claim. To. Be. Like. Against. Grifting.
[65:35]
Guest
But.
[65:35]
Matt
On. The.
[65:36]
Guest
Other.
[65:36]
Duncan
On.
[65:36]
Matt
The. At. The. Same. Time. Out. Of. The. Other.
[65:37]
Guest
Side.
[65:38]
Matt
Of.
[65:38]
Guest
Your.
[65:38]
Matt
Mouth. You're. Defending.
[65:39]
Duncan
The.
[65:39]
Matt
Most. Lying. Cheating. Stealing.
[65:42]
Guest
Evil.
[65:42]
Duncan
Evil.
[65:43]
Matt
Billion. Dollar. Corporations. That. Have.
[65:45]
Duncan
Ever.
[65:45]
Matt
Existed.
[65:46]
Duncan
Well. Yeah. Like. I. Said. These. These. Guys. Grift. He's. He's. A. Grifter. I. Know. For. Everything. That. He. Got. Wrong. About.
[65:52]
Matt
Me.
[65:52]
Duncan
That. He. If. Your. Job. Is. To. Go. Out. And. I. Say. I'm. Giving.
[65:56]
Guest
You.
[65:56]
Duncan
The. Straight. Facts. And. You. Get. Everything. Wrong. You. Need. To.
[65:59]
Guest
At.
[65:59]
Duncan
Least. Come. Out. And. Tell. Your. Audience. Hey. Man. I. Got. Some. Around. There. Bro.
[66:02]
Matt
Yeah.
[66:03]
Duncan
He. Doesn't. Instead. He. He. Hides. From. The. Debate. I've. Been. Challenging. Him.
[66:06]
Guest
To.
[66:06]
Duncan
A. Debate. For. Months. Two. Months. Now. Pierce. Morgan. Potentially. Even. He's.
[66:11]
Matt
Oh.
[66:12]
Duncan
Really.
[66:12]
Matt
He's. Been.
[66:12]
Guest
On.
[66:12]
Matt
Pierce. Hasn't.
[66:13]
Duncan
He. Yeah.
[66:13]
Guest
And.
[66:13]
Duncan
So. Have. I.
[66:13]
Matt
So. Have. You.
[66:14]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. And. So. And. But. He's. He's. Literally. He's. Afraid. Because. Once. He. Found. Out. That. My. Position. Wasn't. Some. Goofy. Twenty. Thousand. Year. Old. Pyramid. It. Was. Just. Like. I. Think. They. Deleted. A. Dynasty. And.
[66:26]
Guest
I.
[66:26]
Duncan
Think.
[66:26]
Guest
That.
[66:26]
Duncan
You. Guys. Need.
[66:27]
Guest
To.
[66:27]
Duncan
Quit. With.
[66:28]
Matt
The.
[66:28]
Duncan
Carbon. Dating.
[66:28]
Matt
And.
[66:28]
Duncan
Archeology. Is. Not. A. Science. And. There's. My. Evidence. Now. He. Realizes. That. He's. Not. Debating. Some. Goofy. Tinfoil. Hat. Dude. And. So. He's. Hiding.
[66:35]
Guest
He.
[66:36]
Duncan
He. Knows. That. If. He. Sits. Across. Me. I'm. Going. To. Clean. His. Fucking. Clock. With. This. One. He's. One. Hundred. Percent. On. It. And. Yeah.
[66:42]
Matt
He's.
[66:43]
Duncan
You. Notice. He. Didn't. Even. Mention. My. Name. When. He. Was. When. He. Was. Here. Right. It's. Out. Of. It.
[66:48]
Matt
I.
[66:48]
Duncan
Don't.
[66:49]
Matt
Remember.
[66:49]
Duncan
Did.
[66:49]
Guest
He.
[66:49]
Matt
No.
[66:49]
Guest
He.
[66:49]
Duncan
Didn't. He. Didn't. I. Was. I. Was. Looking. To. See. If. He. Did.
[66:52]
Guest
Or.
[66:52]
Duncan
Not. Because. I. Know. I. He's. Trying. To. He's. Trying. To. Pretend. That. I. Don't. Exist. To. Make. Me. Go. Away. And. Stuff. And.
[66:59]
Guest
It's.
[66:59]
Duncan
So. Funny. Because. It's. Like. I. Debunked. I. I. Debunked. The. Precision. Vases. Two. Years. Ago.
[67:05]
Matt
Before.
[67:05]
Duncan
I. Did. Anything. About. Flint. Dibble. I. Debunked. The. Precision. But.
[67:08]
Matt
I.
[67:08]
Duncan
Had. A. Video. Talking. About. How.
[67:10]
Matt
Not.
[67:10]
Duncan
Fully. Debunked. But.
[67:11]
Matt
A.
[67:11]
Duncan
Lot. Of. The. Stuff. That's. Involved. A. Lot. Of. The. Goofy. Encoded. Information. And. All. This. I. Kicked.
[67:16]
Guest
The.
[67:16]
Duncan
Tires. On. That. Hard. I. Debunked. Electric. Pyramids. What. Was.
[67:19]
Guest
That.
[67:20]
Matt
Coded. Information.
[67:21]
Duncan
That.
[67:21]
Guest
You. Debunked.
[67:21]
Duncan
Mark. Kvist. Believed. That. There. Was. Circles. And. Different. Sizes. Inside. That. The. Vases. Were. Made.
[67:27]
Matt
Oh. I. Remember.
[67:28]
Guest
Ben.
[67:28]
Matt
Showing. Me. This.
[67:29]
Duncan
On.
[67:29]
Matt
The.
[67:29]
Duncan
Podcast. And. So. My. Video. I. Take. My. PlayStation. Two. Console.
[67:35]
Guest
And.
[67:35]
Duncan
Measure. The. Power. Switch. In. The. Front. And. Back. And. Show. How. This. Is. Just. This. Actually. If. You. Multiply. It. Times. PI. Just. Like. Them. Over.
[67:42]
Matt
By.
[67:42]
Duncan
The. Golden. Ratio. I've. Got. Structural. Steel. Only.
[67:44]
Guest
With.
[67:45]
Duncan
This. One. I've. Got. A. Certain. Kind. Of. Jet. Fuel. I. Think. So. You. Did. Nine. Eleven. It's. Just.
[67:53]
Matt
Like.
[67:53]
Duncan
You.
[67:54]
Guest
Can't. Just.
[67:54]
Duncan
Go. Down. So. But. Professor. Dave. That's. That's. The.
[67:57]
Guest
Kind.
[67:57]
Duncan
Of. He. Would. Say. Right. Yeah.
[67:59]
Matt
Okay.
[67:59]
Duncan
Except.
[67:59]
Matt
For.
[67:59]
Duncan
He'd. Call. Him. A. Idiot. While. He's. At.
[68:01]
Matt
It.
[68:01]
Duncan
But. I. Didn't. But. He. Is. He. Didn't. Do. Any. Research. Into. Me.
[68:06]
Guest
At.
[68:07]
Matt
All.
[68:07]
Duncan
This. Is. This. Is. The. I. Debunked. Electric. Pyramids. Like.
[68:10]
Matt
Three.
[68:10]
Duncan
Years. Ago. I. Was. Like. That's. I. Mean. There's.
[68:12]
Matt
A.
[68:12]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Problems. With. The. Electric. Pyramid. I. Pass. Not. The. Least. Of.
[68:14]
Guest
Which.
[68:14]
Duncan
The. Fucking. Things. Grounded.
[68:16]
Matt
What. Is.
[68:16]
Guest
The.
[68:16]
Matt
Electric. Pyramid. Hypothesis.
[68:17]
Duncan
I. Don't. Even.
[68:17]
Matt
Know. About. This.
[68:18]
Duncan
Well. Christopher. Dunn. Leans.
[68:20]
Matt
On.
[68:20]
Duncan
It. To. A. Degree. A.
[68:21]
Matt
Lot.
[68:21]
Duncan
Of. People. Believe. That. It. Was. An. Electric. Generator. That. It.
[68:24]
Matt
Yeah.
[68:24]
Duncan
Built. Electricity. Inside. And. That. The. Granite. Was. A. Conductor. Yeah.
[68:28]
Guest
I.
[68:28]
Duncan
Mean. The. Granite. Can't. Be.
[68:30]
Matt
A.
[68:30]
Duncan
Conductor. I've. Used. Granite. As. An. Insulator. Before. On. Shelves. When. We.
[68:34]
Matt
Were.
[68:34]
Duncan
Putting. Lights. Up. And. Stuff. So. I. Know. For. A. Fact. That. It'll. Pass. Code. Because.
[68:38]
Guest
It.
[68:38]
Duncan
Doesn't. Conduct. Electricity. Certainly. Not. Going. To. If. It. Won't. Conduct. One. Hundred. Twenty. Volts. We.
[68:42]
Matt
Got.
[68:43]
Duncan
Running. Through. A. Wall. It. Sure.
[68:43]
Matt
As.
[68:44]
Duncan
Hell. Ain't. Going. To. Conduct. Whatever. Minuscule. Amount. They. Got. And. They. Would. Have. Gotten. Out. Of. All. Of. Those. Blocks.
[68:49]
Matt
And.
[68:49]
Duncan
Then. Well.
[68:50]
Matt
It. Does. Conduct. Doesn't. It.
[68:52]
Duncan
If. You.
[68:52]
Matt
Squeeze. It. There. Wasn't.
[68:54]
Duncan
That's. Piezoelectric. Electricity.
[68:55]
Matt
Okay.
[68:56]
Duncan
And. That's. That's. The. Same. Thing. You. Know. In. Your. Charcoal. Igniters. When. That. When. You. Click. It. That's. Why. It. Doesn't.
[69:01]
Guest
Have.
[69:01]
Duncan
A. Battery. The. Spark. Comes. From. A. There's.
[69:04]
Matt
A.
[69:04]
Duncan
Little. Quartz. Crystal. In. There. And. There's. A. Spring. And. A. Little. Piece. Of. Plastic. And. You. Just. Thump. That. Thing. And. It. Makes. A. Spark.
[69:10]
Matt
Okay.
[69:11]
Duncan
The. Reverse. Of. That.
[69:12]
Matt
This. Is. Like. The. Earthquake. Lights.
[69:14]
Duncan
Yeah. This. Could. Very. Well. Be. What. The. Earthquake. Lights. Are. From. I. Mean.
[69:18]
Guest
The.
[69:18]
Duncan
Reverse. Of. That. We. Use. In. Our. Quartz. Timepieces. If. You. Take. A. Piece. Of. Quartz. Of.
[69:23]
Matt
A.
[69:23]
Duncan
Certain. Size. And. You. Hit. It. With. Just. The. Exact. Amount. Of. Electricity. It'll. Oscillate.
[69:27]
Matt
In.
[69:27]
Duncan
An. Exact. Frequency. Really. Fast. But. It's. The. Opposite. The. Piezoelectric. Effect. Goes. Both. Ways. But. The. Problem. With. That. Is. Like. Say. A. Limestone.
[69:36]
Matt
Block.
[69:36]
Duncan
Has. Got. All. This. Quartz.
[69:37]
Guest
In.
[69:37]
Matt
It.
[69:37]
Duncan
That. You. Could. Potentially. Get. Piezoelectricity.
[69:40]
Matt
Yeah.
[69:41]
Duncan
Well. Every. One. Of. Those. Quartz. Crystals.
[69:43]
Matt
Would.
[69:43]
Duncan
Have.
[69:43]
Matt
To.
[69:44]
Duncan
Be. In. Alignment. As. Far. As. Magnetically. Aligned. To. Each. Other. And. Then. You. Would. Have.
[69:49]
Matt
To.
[69:49]
Duncan
Have. A. Plate. Like. Metal. On. Top. And. Plate. Bottom. To. Harness. The. Electricity.
[69:53]
Matt
Right.
[69:53]
Duncan
So. Every.
[69:55]
Guest
Time.
[69:55]
Duncan
They've. Ever. Done. Any. Of. The. Tests. On. The. Pyramid. That's. Shown. Any. Electrical.
[69:59]
Matt
Stuff.
[69:59]
Duncan
They. Always. Put. A. A. Rubber.
[70:01]
Matt
Mat.
[70:01]
Duncan
Underneath. Their. Model.
[70:02]
Guest
For.
[70:02]
Duncan
Obvious. Reasons. So. There's. Just. A. Bunch. Of. Little. Things. Like. That. But.
[70:05]
Matt
Chris. Dunn. Mentions. That. In. Giza. Power. Plant.
[70:08]
Duncan
Book.
[70:08]
Matt
Where. He. Met. With.
[70:09]
Guest
I.
[70:09]
Matt
Forget. The. Guy's. Expertise. But. He. Met. With. Like.
[70:11]
Duncan
A.
[70:11]
Matt
Bunch. Of. Experts. Over. There. That.
[70:13]
Guest
Were.
[70:13]
Matt
Discussing. This. Stuff.
[70:14]
Duncan
One.
[70:14]
Matt
Of. The. Guys. I.
[70:15]
Duncan
Think.
[70:15]
Matt
Was. Actually. A. NASA. Physicist. And. Chris. Was. Of. The.
[70:19]
Guest
Belief.
[70:19]
Matt
That. All. The. Quartz. And. The. Granite. Would. Account. For.
[70:22]
Guest
A.
[70:22]
Matt
Bunch. Of. Electricity.
[70:23]
Duncan
Or.
[70:23]
Matt
Something. And. This. NASA. Guy. Was. Like. There's.
[70:25]
Duncan
Not. Enough.
[70:25]
Matt
Courts.
[70:26]
Guest
Yeah.
[70:26]
Matt
To. Make.
[70:26]
Guest
A.
[70:26]
Matt
Difference.
[70:26]
Duncan
There. You. Go.
[70:27]
Matt
And. I. Remember. Chris. Was.
[70:28]
Duncan
Like.
[70:29]
Matt
Explaining.
[70:29]
Duncan
In. The.
[70:29]
Matt
Book. How. That. Was.
[70:30]
Duncan
Like. Kind. Of.
[70:30]
Matt
Frustrating.
[70:31]
Duncan
For. Him.
[70:31]
Matt
It. Set. Him. Back.
[70:32]
Duncan
Yeah.
[70:33]
Matt
Okay. AI. Says. Granite. Is. Not.
[70:36]
Duncan
An.
[70:36]
Matt
Electrical. Conductor. Okay.
[70:38]
Duncan
Yeah. It's. I. Mean. Yeah. The. Pisio. Electricity. Is. Is. Cool. And. That's. Like. I. Was. Telling. You. Earlier. Where. I. Was. In. When. I. Was. With. That. Crystal. Skull. That. Guy.
[70:48]
Matt
That.
[70:48]
Duncan
Has. His. His. Sweat. Lodge. He's.
[70:52]
Matt
Got.
[70:52]
Duncan
It. With. Quartz. Crystals. That. And. He's. Got. Water. Running.
[70:55]
Guest
Over.
[70:55]
Duncan
It. So. That. It. Does. Create. A. Little. Piezoelectric. Charge. And. Then. He's. Got. A. Bunch. Of. Copper. Things.
[71:00]
Matt
And.
[71:00]
Duncan
Stuff. Around. To. Conduct. It. So. It's. Like. You. Know. He's. Using. It. For.
[71:05]
Matt
A.
[71:05]
Duncan
Pretty.
[71:05]
Guest
New.
[71:06]
Duncan
Agey. Thing.
[71:06]
Matt
Right.
[71:07]
Duncan
So. Anyway. What. I. Was. Getting. At. Though. Is. It. You. Know. This. Is. I. Don't. Just. Grab. Onto. Any. Old. Goofy. Thing. And. I've. I've. Debunked. A. Lot. Of. Things. Myself. You. Know. When. I. Was. On. Stage. With. Graham. Hancock. In. Sedona. That's. How. He. Introduced. Me. He's. Like.
[71:22]
Guest
You.
[71:22]
Duncan
Call. Out. No. Matter. Where. You. See. It. You've.
[71:24]
Guest
Even.
[71:24]
Duncan
Debunked. Me. Before. And. I'm. Like. Oh. Great. Say. That. In. Front. Of. All. Your. Fans. Why. Don't. You. I. Mean. That's. In. All. Honesty.
[71:31]
Matt
We're.
[71:31]
Duncan
All. We. All. Have. Different. Opinions. About. These. Things. And. Scientists. Even. They. Have. Different. Opinions. Opinions. And. I. Think. That's. A. Big. Part. Of. The. Ability. To. Move. Forward. Is. To. Communicate. Without. Calling. Each. Other. Sasquatch. T. Not. Not. That. It. Bothers. Me.
[71:44]
Matt
That. Much.
[71:44]
Duncan
But. There's. A. Lot. Of. Other. People. That. Get. Really. Upset.
[71:46]
Guest
About.
[71:46]
Duncan
It.
[71:49]
Matt
Yeah.
[71:49]
Duncan
Well.
[71:49]
Matt
I. Do.
[71:50]
Guest
Think.
[71:50]
Matt
It's. Good. Also. That. Matt. Bell. Isn't. He. Doesn't. Seem. Super. Dogmatic. In. His. View. Of.
[71:58]
Guest
These.
[71:58]
Matt
Bases. Being.
[71:58]
Duncan
Ancient. Yeah. He's. Like. When.
[72:00]
Matt
I. Talk. To.
[72:00]
Duncan
Him.
[72:01]
Matt
He's. Like. These. Could. All. Be. Modern. He's. Like.
[72:03]
Guest
I.
[72:03]
Matt
Don't. Know. I.
[72:04]
Duncan
Think.
[72:04]
Matt
It.
[72:04]
Guest
Would.
[72:04]
Matt
Be. A.
[72:04]
Duncan
Huge.
[72:05]
Matt
Red. Flag.
[72:05]
Duncan
If.
[72:05]
Matt
Matt. Bell. Bought. Spent. All. That. Money. On. All.
[72:08]
Duncan
Those.
[72:08]
Matt
Bases. And. Was. Like. Really. Trying. To. Push.
[72:12]
Duncan
The.
[72:12]
Matt
Fact.
[72:12]
Duncan
That.
[72:12]
Matt
They. Were. Ancient. And. Not. Not. Modern.
[72:14]
Duncan
Well. Yeah. But. Matt's. Matt's. In.
[72:16]
Guest
A.
[72:16]
Duncan
Unique. Position. Where. In. The. In. Is. I'm.
[72:19]
Matt
Really.
[72:20]
Duncan
Glad. To. See. Him. Doing.
[72:21]
Guest
It.
[72:21]
Duncan
Because. He. Doesn't. Care. If. They. Become. Worth.
[72:23]
Matt
More.
[72:23]
Duncan
Or. Worth. Less. It's. Not. Going.
[72:24]
Matt
To.
[72:25]
Duncan
Change. His. Life. One. Iota.
[72:26]
Matt
Well. I. Mean.
[72:27]
Guest
Yeah.
[72:28]
Matt
Because.
[72:28]
Duncan
Like.
[72:28]
Matt
What. You. Said. Blew.
[72:29]
Duncan
My.
[72:30]
Matt
Mind. How. Archaeology. Started. With. With. These. Artifact. Collectors. Like. Trying. To. Prove.
[72:35]
Guest
The.
[72:35]
Matt
Provenance. Of. Their.
[72:36]
Duncan
To.
[72:36]
Matt
Determine.
[72:37]
Duncan
The.
[72:37]
Matt
Value. Of. It. Because. That's. Kind. Of. Like. What. These. Guys.
[72:39]
Duncan
Are.
[72:39]
Matt
Doing. These. Collectors. Are. Doing.
[72:40]
Duncan
It's. Exactly. What. They're. Doing.
[72:41]
Matt
But. At. Least. Matt's. Not. Being. Biased. About. It.
[72:43]
Duncan
That's. That's. The. Big. Difference. There. Is. The. Bias. And.
[72:47]
Matt
But.
[72:47]
Guest
You.
[72:47]
Duncan
Can. See.
[72:48]
Matt
How. That. Could. Go. Sideways.
[72:50]
Duncan
Well. Yeah. You. Know. But. I. Get. Picked. On. By. Archaeologists. For. Being. An. Electrician. You.
[72:54]
Guest
Don't.
[72:54]
Duncan
Know. Anything. About. Science. It's. Like. Like. Dude. I. I. Got. Tested. By. God. In. The. Universe. You. Guys. Could. If. Two. Archaeologists. Believe. In. Harry. Potter. They. Would. Peer. Review. Papers. On. Hogwarts. Till. The.
[73:05]
Guest
End.
[73:05]
Duncan
Of. Time. And. They. Could. Circle. Jerk. That. Science. Right. Into. The.
[73:08]
Guest
Mud.
[73:08]
Duncan
It's. Not. You. Know. Again. There's. Parts. Of. It. That. Are. Scientific. But. A. Video. Game. Speedrunner. That. Sits. Down. And. Plots. The. Best. Course. Through.
[73:17]
Matt
A.
[73:17]
Guest
Game.
[73:17]
Duncan
Is. Far.
[73:18]
Matt
More.
[73:19]
Duncan
Scientific. And. Operating. Clearly. Really. Much. More. In. Accord. With. The. Scientific. Method. Than. Archaeology. Tends. To. Do.
[73:26]
Guest
And.
[73:27]
Duncan
That's. I. Mean. That. Should. Kind.
[73:28]
Matt
Of.
[73:28]
Duncan
Put. It.
[73:28]
Guest
Right.
[73:29]
Duncan
There. It's. Like. Video. Game. My. Twelve. Year. Olds. Video. Game. Speedrunners. Man.
[73:32]
Guest
Come.
[73:32]
Duncan
On. It's. A. Game.
[73:34]
Guest
Right.
[73:35]
Duncan
But. Archaeology. Can't. It's.
[73:37]
Matt
You.
[73:37]
Duncan
Can't. Replicate. Most. Of. Their. Findings. I. Mean.
[73:40]
Guest
And.
[73:40]
Duncan
Then. They.
[73:40]
Guest
Block.
[73:41]
Duncan
You. On. The. Few. Things. That. You. Can. Like. The. Cocaine. Mummies. You've. Heard. Of. Those.
[73:44]
Matt
I.
[73:44]
Duncan
Have.
[73:45]
Matt
Heard.
[73:45]
Duncan
Of.
[73:45]
Matt
Those. There's. A. German. Guy. Who.
[73:47]
Duncan
German. Lady.
[73:48]
Matt
Yeah.
[73:48]
Duncan
Oh.
[73:49]
Guest
That.
[73:49]
Matt
Was. A. Lady.
[73:49]
Duncan
Yeah. Lana. Balabanova. That's. My. Latest. Video. I.
[73:53]
Matt
Covered.
[73:53]
Duncan
That. So. I'd. Been. Researching.
[73:55]
Guest
That.
[73:55]
Duncan
One. A. Bit.
[73:55]
Matt
Weren't. We. Talking. To.
[73:56]
Duncan
A.
[73:56]
Matt
Guy.
[73:57]
Guest
Who.
[73:57]
Matt
Did. Something. With. Cocaine. In. Egypt.
[74:00]
Duncan
Oh. It's. Downtown. Miami.
[74:03]
Matt
Yeah. I.
[74:04]
Duncan
Don't. Remember. I. Don't. Remember.
[74:05]
Matt
Exactly. What. It. Was. But.
[74:05]
Duncan
I.
[74:05]
Guest
Remember.
[74:06]
Matt
The. Guy. Like. Went.
[74:06]
Duncan
To.
[74:06]
Matt
Prison. Or. Something.
[74:08]
Duncan
Oh.
[74:08]
Matt
Wow. This.
[74:09]
Duncan
Is.
[74:09]
Matt
Not. The. Same. Story.
[74:10]
Duncan
I. Didn't. Know.
[74:11]
Matt
What's. The.
[74:11]
Guest
Story. That.
[74:12]
Duncan
You. That. You. Uncovered. The. One. That. The. Munich. Nine. They're. Called. That. Lady. Tested. Nine. Mummies. That. Were.
[74:19]
Guest
In.
[74:19]
Duncan
The. Munich. Museum. And. Found. Cocaine. Hashish. And. Nicotine. In. All. Three.
[74:23]
Matt
Nice.
[74:24]
Duncan
And. The. They.
[74:27]
Matt
Try. It.
[74:29]
Duncan
I. Guess. But.
[74:30]
Matt
They.
[74:30]
Duncan
They. Wouldn't.
[74:30]
Matt
Let.
[74:31]
Duncan
Us. They. Wouldn't. Let. Anybody. Retest. It. They. They. Nobody's. Gotten. A. Chance. To. Do. A. Second. Round. On. Those. Mummies.
[74:37]
Matt
And.
[74:38]
Guest
When.
[74:38]
Matt
Were. Those. Mummies. Dated. To.
[74:40]
Duncan
Those. Ones. I. Think. Closer. To. Like. Twelfth. Thirteenth. Sixteenth. Dynasty. Right. In. There.
[74:44]
Matt
Sixteen. This. It. Cocaine. Found. In. Mummified. Brains. Reveal. That.
[74:48]
Guest
New.
[74:48]
Matt
World. New. World. Drug. Came. To. Italy.
[74:51]
Duncan
This. Is. What. You. Guys. Had.
[74:52]
Matt
On.
[74:53]
Duncan
Okay. I. Didn't. I.
[74:53]
Matt
Didn't. No. This.
[74:54]
Duncan
Is.
[74:54]
Matt
Not. The.
[74:54]
Guest
One.
[74:54]
Matt
We. Were. Looking.
[74:55]
Duncan
At. It. Wasn't.
[74:55]
Matt
No.
[74:57]
Duncan
Oh. Wow.
[74:58]
Matt
So. Those. Arrows.
[74:59]
Duncan
Are. Oh. The. Seventeenth. Century. Okay.
[75:02]
Matt
This. Is. Much. Later. It. Might. Be. A.
[75:04]
Guest
Second.
[75:04]
Duncan
Cocaine.
[75:04]
Guest
Moment.
[75:05]
Duncan
Yeah. No. This. One. If. You. Look. Up. Munich. Nine. Cocaine. Oh. Yeah. You. Got.
[75:09]
Matt
It.
[75:09]
Duncan
Right. There. Yeah. Hanat. Tui. Is. The. The. Priestess. That. Was. The. Big. One. But. Yeah. She. Was. Of. The. Munich. Nine. She. Was. The. One. That. They. Knew. Who. She.
[75:21]
Guest
Was.
[75:22]
Duncan
Yeah. There.
[75:22]
Guest
You.
[75:22]
Duncan
Go. Twenty. First. Dynasty.
[75:24]
Matt
One. Thousand. Bc.
[75:26]
Duncan
Yeah. And.
[75:28]
Matt
Long.
[75:28]
Duncan
Before. Old. World. New. World. Contact. Is. Accepted. To. Have. Occurred. And. These. Guys. But. They. Won't. Let.
[75:34]
Guest
Them.
[75:35]
Duncan
Retest.
[75:35]
Guest
The.
[75:35]
Duncan
Mummies. And. And. It's. It's. Created. Some. Pretty. Funny. Debunkings. I. I. Had. A. A.
[75:41]
Guest
Lot. Of.
[75:41]
Duncan
Fun. In. My. Video. When. Guys. Are. Because. The. Guys. Will. Debunk. It. And. Say. Well. You. Know. We. Tested. Other. Mommies. And. They. Didn't. Have. Any. Cocaine.
[75:47]
Guest
In.
[75:47]
Duncan
Them.
[75:47]
Guest
So.
[75:47]
Duncan
I.
[75:47]
Matt
Don't.
[75:47]
Duncan
Know. About. That. I'm. Like. Man. You're. Going. To. Be.
[75:49]
Guest
My.
[75:49]
Duncan
Lawyer. Next. Time. Well. Your.
[75:50]
Matt
Honor.
[75:51]
Duncan
We. We. Tested. His. Neighbor. I. Know.
[75:53]
Guest
Mister.
[75:53]
Duncan
Richards. Was. Positive. For. X. Y. And. Z.
[75:55]
Guest
But. His.
[75:55]
Duncan
Neighbor. Was.
[75:56]
Matt
So. How.
[75:56]
Duncan
Do.
[75:56]
Matt
These.
[75:56]
Duncan
People.
[75:57]
Matt
How. Do.
[75:57]
Duncan
These.
[75:57]
Matt
People. Imagine. That. Cocaine. And. Nicotine. Got. Into. These. Mummies.
[76:01]
Duncan
This. Well. A.
[76:02]
Matt
Of.
[76:02]
Duncan
Lot. Of. People. Think. It's. You. Know. Old. World. New. World. Contact. Right.
[76:04]
Matt
Is.
[76:05]
Guest
What.
[76:05]
Matt
Contact.
[76:05]
Duncan
Old. World. To. New. World. Contact. Like. The. Egyptians. Or. Mayans. I. Mean. We. You. Know.
[76:10]
Guest
We.
[76:10]
Duncan
Know. All. About. Really. About.
[76:12]
Matt
What.
[76:12]
Duncan
Was. Going.
[76:12]
Matt
On.
[76:13]
Duncan
In. The. Inca.
[76:14]
Guest
And. Maya.
[76:14]
Duncan
World.
[76:14]
Guest
And.
[76:14]
Duncan
We.
[76:15]
Guest
Know.
[76:15]
Duncan
It. Was. Big. And. So. I. Mean. It. Is. Feasible. That. They. Did. You. Know. Trade. Some. Some. Drugs. Back. And. Forth. And. People. And. So. Many. Of. The. Debunking. Things. Well.
[76:25]
Guest
Why.
[76:25]
Duncan
Didn't. They. Bring. Other. Foodstuffs. Why. Didn't. Pablo. Escobar. Bring. Corn. With. Him. I.
[76:30]
Guest
Don't. Know.
[76:30]
Duncan
Man. It's. Not. That. Complicated. It's. Bringing. Something. That. People. Really. Want. And. And. The.
[76:36]
Matt
Other.
[76:36]
Duncan
Thing.
[76:37]
Guest
That.
[76:37]
Duncan
Was. Really. Interesting. Was. That. They. Point. Out. And. Kick. The. Tires. On. Which. Is. Funny. They. Say.
[76:41]
Matt
Because.
[76:41]
Duncan
The. Egyptian. Mummies. Have. About. One. Third. As. Much. As. The. Peruvian. Mummies. There's. A.
[76:45]
Guest
Bunch. Of.
[76:45]
Duncan
Mummies. From. Peru. That. Are. Loaded.
[76:47]
Matt
With.
[76:47]
Duncan
Cocaine.
[76:48]
Matt
What.
[76:49]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. But. They. Come. Right. From. Where. It. Was. At. They. Just. Chew.
[76:52]
Guest
The.
[76:52]
Duncan
Leaves. Right. But. Then. We. We. Find. It.
[76:54]
Guest
In.
[76:54]
Duncan
Their. System.
[76:55]
Matt
Oh. It. Was. Coca.
[76:56]
Duncan
Yeah.
[76:56]
Guest
It.
[76:56]
Duncan
Was. Coca. But.
[76:56]
Matt
It. Wasn't. Actual.
[76:57]
Duncan
Coca. Cola.
[76:57]
Matt
When.
[76:58]
Duncan
They. Isolate. It. Afterwards. It's. Cocaine. That.
[76:59]
Matt
They're.
[77:00]
Duncan
Out. Isolating. Right. They. Taste. They. Take. She. Takes. A. Sample. Of. Like. A. A. Tooth. Washes. It. With. Water. And. Alcohol. Smashes. It. With. A. Steel. Ball.
[77:08]
Guest
Right.
[77:08]
Duncan
And. Then. You. Know. Richard. Priors.
[77:11]
Guest
It.
[77:11]
Duncan
Without. Blowing. Herself. Up. So. What. She's. Left. With. Is. Cocaine. Right. So. You. Know. Wow. So. That's. Why. They. Call. Them. The. Cocaine. Mummies. But. Yeah. It. Was. Definitely. Cocaine. Wasn't. Synthesized. To. Like. Eighteen. Fifty. Five. I. Think.
[77:23]
Matt
Right. Right. So. That's.
[77:24]
Duncan
Right.
[77:24]
Matt
And. Yeah. So. These. People. Were. Probably. Chewing. Coca. Leaves.
[77:27]
Duncan
And.
[77:27]
Guest
Stuff.
[77:27]
Duncan
Like.
[77:27]
Matt
That.
[77:27]
Duncan
But. How'd.
[77:28]
Matt
They.
[77:28]
Duncan
Get.
[77:29]
Matt
There. Yeah. How. Did.
[77:31]
Guest
The.
[77:31]
Matt
Mummy. Get. To. Egypt.
[77:32]
Duncan
That's.
[77:32]
Matt
The.
[77:32]
Duncan
Question. Well. Yeah. How. How. Did. The. How. Did.
[77:34]
Matt
The.
[77:34]
Duncan
Cocaine. Get. From. Peru. To. All.
[77:37]
Guest
These.
[77:37]
Duncan
Different. Mummies. I. Mean. It's. One. Thing. If. It's. Just. One.
[77:39]
Matt
Thousand. Bc.
[77:40]
Duncan
Yeah.
[77:40]
Matt
Well.
[77:40]
Guest
They.
[77:41]
Matt
Had. Boats. Back. Then. Right.
[77:42]
Duncan
Clearly. And. Yeah. Of. Course. They. Had. I.
[77:44]
Matt
Mean.
[77:44]
Duncan
And. And. The. Odds. All. Basically. This. Is. Why. There's.
[77:47]
Matt
A.
[77:48]
Guest
Lot.
[77:48]
Matt
Of.
[77:48]
Duncan
Pushback. It's. It's. Proof. Of. Cross. Continental. Contact.
[77:52]
Matt
Long.
[77:52]
Duncan
Before. It's. Supposed. To. Be. Exp. Accepted. It.
[77:55]
Matt
Goes. Against. The. Narrative. It.
[77:56]
Duncan
Goes. Against. The. Narrative. Cross.
[77:57]
Matt
Continent. Continental. Contact.
[78:00]
Duncan
And. Yeah. See. And.
[78:01]
Guest
They.
[78:01]
Duncan
Can't. They. Can't. Reproduce. The. Results. A.
[78:03]
Guest
Lot.
[78:03]
Duncan
Of. Them. Should. Only. Show. Nicotine. But. Yeah. The. Con. The. The. Claim. Of. Contamination. Is. A. Funny. One. To. Me. They. Say. Oh. Maybe. The. The. Mummies. Work. Maybe. Somebody. Spilled. Cocaine. On.
[78:16]
Matt
It.
[78:17]
Duncan
And. It's. Like.
[78:17]
Guest
I. Mean.
[78:18]
Duncan
When.
[78:18]
Guest
I.
[78:18]
Duncan
Was. On. Rogan. That. Was. The. First. Thing. I. Said.
[78:20]
Matt
When.
[78:20]
Duncan
He. Asked. Me. About. The. Cookie. Mom. He's. Like. Well. You. Know. It. Kind. Of. Seems. To. Me. Like. Some. Of. Those. Guys. Are. Just. Doing. Bumps. Off. Of.
[78:24]
Guest
The.
[78:24]
Duncan
Mummies. Back. In. The. Seventies.
[78:25]
Matt
Or.
[78:26]
Guest
Something.
[78:26]
Duncan
For. Some. Pretty. Straightforward.
[78:28]
Matt
Not. Impossible. I. Guess.
[78:29]
Duncan
No.
[78:29]
Matt
But.
[78:30]
Duncan
Now. But. The. Thing. Is. She. Washed. It. With. Water. And. Alcohol. But. Even. If. She. Just. Washed.
[78:34]
Guest
It.
[78:34]
Duncan
With. Water. Like. She. Did. In. Some. Cases. I. Mean. Dude. Put. Cocaine. Powder. Down. And. Pour. A. Little. Water.
[78:41]
Guest
On.
[78:41]
Duncan
It. See. What. You. Got. Left. You. Ain't. Gonna. Have. No. Fucking. Cocaine. Left. You. Know. So. It's. Like. She's. Cleaned. These. Things. Contamination. Is. Not. Really. So. They. Ignore.
[78:51]
Matt
That.
[78:51]
Duncan
And. They. Also. Accuse. Her. Of. Outright. Lying. That's. One. Of. The. Big. Ones. She. Just. She's. Just. Bullied. Bullshitting. Yeah. And. That's. Again. That's. The. Same. Kind. Of. That. Dave. Was. Here. Said.
[79:01]
Matt
Well.
[79:01]
Duncan
This. Scientist. I. Don't. Agree. With. Him.
[79:03]
Matt
Yeah.
[79:03]
Duncan
So. He's. A. Liar. Yeah. Okay. They. Know. They're. Grifting. They. Know. Yeah. There's. No. Such. Thing. As.
[79:09]
Matt
A.
[79:09]
Duncan
True. Believer. That. Disagrees. With. You. Sir. I. Can't. Believe.
[79:14]
Guest
I'm.
[79:14]
Duncan
In. Your. Presence.
[79:15]
Matt
Yeah.
[79:16]
Guest
Have.
[79:16]
Matt
You. Have. Have. You. Looked. Into. Jeffrey. Drums. Stuff. The. Land. Of. Chem.
[79:20]
Duncan
Yes. Yeah. I've.
[79:21]
Guest
Had.
[79:22]
Duncan
Him. I. Had.
[79:23]
Matt
Him.
[79:23]
Duncan
On. My. Channel. For. A. Live. Stream. Of. A. Couple. Years. Ago. Guy's. Pretty. Interesting.
[79:27]
Matt
I. Think. His. Whole. Hypothesis. I've. I've. Spent. Over. Ten. Hours. Talking.
[79:30]
Guest
To. Him.
[79:30]
Matt
About.
[79:30]
Duncan
This.
[79:31]
Matt
Stuff.
[79:31]
Duncan
And.
[79:31]
Matt
I. Still. Can't. Recite. Exactly. What. It.
[79:34]
Duncan
Is.
[79:34]
Matt
It's. So. Complex. But. It.
[79:36]
Guest
Makes.
[79:36]
Matt
So. Much. Goddamn. Sense.
[79:37]
Duncan
No. A.
[79:38]
Guest
Lot. Of.
[79:38]
Duncan
It. Is. Really.
[79:38]
Guest
Interesting.
[79:39]
Duncan
And.
[79:39]
Matt
He's. Actually. Spent. More. Time. Than. Anyone. I've. Probably.
[79:42]
Duncan
Ever.
[79:42]
Matt
Talked. To. In. Those. Pyramids. Like. Walking. Through.
[79:44]
Duncan
Him.
[79:44]
Matt
Looking. At.
[79:45]
Guest
It. He. Lives.
[79:45]
Matt
Right.
[79:45]
Guest
There.
[79:45]
Matt
Across. The. Street. And.
[79:48]
Guest
Basically.
[79:49]
Matt
Like. Thirty. Thousand. Foot. View. Of. His. Theory. Is.
[79:51]
Guest
That.
[79:51]
Matt
They. Were. The. Bent. The. And.
[79:53]
Duncan
The.
[79:54]
Matt
Red. Pyramid.
[79:54]
Duncan
And.
[79:54]
Guest
The.
[79:54]
Matt
Step. Pyramid. Were. Extracting. Chemicals. From. The.
[79:58]
Duncan
Earth.
[79:58]
Matt
And. Manufacturing. Chemicals. For. Agriculture. And. For. Metallurgy. And. It. Was.
[80:04]
Duncan
Like.
[80:04]
Matt
Ammonia. And.
[80:06]
Duncan
Nitrogen.
[80:07]
Matt
Yeah.
[80:08]
Duncan
All.
[80:08]
Matt
Kinds.
[80:08]
Duncan
Of. Other. Basic. Stuff. Yeah.
[80:10]
Matt
Yeah. Very. Very. Basic. Like. Chemical. Manufacturing. And.
[80:15]
Guest
He.
[80:16]
Matt
Even. Had. A. Guy.
[80:16]
Duncan
Guy.
[80:19]
Matt
Make.
[80:19]
Duncan
A.
[80:19]
Matt
Replica. Of. Was. It. The. Red. Pyramid.
[80:22]
Duncan
It. Was. A. Red. Pyramid.
[80:24]
Guest
Where.
[80:24]
Matt
They. They. Measured. It. And. It. It. Matched. Perfectly. The. Fritz. Haber. Device. That. He. Invented.
[80:29]
Guest
With. The.
[80:30]
Matt
Haber. Method. To. Figure. Out.
[80:32]
Guest
What.
[80:32]
Matt
The. Haber. Method. Was. Producing. What. Chemical. That. Was. But. He. It. Was.
[80:36]
Duncan
The.
[80:36]
Matt
Exact. Same. Thing.
[80:36]
Guest
If. You.
[80:36]
Duncan
Look.
[80:37]
Matt
At. Fritz. Haber's. Contraption.
[80:38]
Guest
It.
[80:39]
Matt
It.
[80:39]
Duncan
Is.
[80:39]
Guest
The.
[80:39]
Matt
Almost. Exact. Same. Mechanism. Of. Action. Of. That.
[80:43]
Guest
Red.
[80:43]
Matt
Piece. Pyramid. And. How. It. Was. Creating. Ammonia.
[80:46]
Duncan
Okay. Yeah. That's. Yeah. That's. Pretty. Interesting. There's. I. Like. His. I. Like. His. Hypotheses. A. Lot. The. Only. Thing. That. I. Don't. Know. About. Is. The. That. Makes. Me. Question. Anything. At.
[81:00]
Matt
All.
[81:00]
Duncan
Is. What. He. Talks. About. Like. The. Veins. Of. Iron. And. Stuff.
[81:04]
Matt
The. Iron. Veins.
[81:04]
Duncan
Yeah.
[81:05]
Matt
I.
[81:05]
Duncan
Don't.
[81:05]
Guest
I.
[81:05]
Duncan
Haven't. Been. Able. To. Find. Any. References. To. Those. But. I. Didn't. Dig. Real. Deep. I. Just. Dug. Into. A.
[81:10]
Matt
Little.
[81:11]
Duncan
Bit. And. I. Was. Like. It. Doesn't.
[81:11]
Guest
Seem.
[81:12]
Duncan
Like. We're. Finding. This. So. I. Could. Be. Wrong. But.
[81:14]
Guest
Well.
[81:15]
Matt
He. Actually. Has. Photos. That. He's. Shown. Of. Like. Going. In. Those. Cavities. On.
[81:19]
Guest
The.
[81:19]
Matt
Sides. Of.
[81:19]
Duncan
The.
[81:19]
Matt
Pyramids. And.
[81:20]
Duncan
He.
[81:20]
Matt
Like. Has. Pictures. Of. The. The. Iron. Veins. And. Yeah. He's. Spent. He.
[81:26]
Guest
Must.
[81:26]
Duncan
Have. Spent. He.
[81:26]
Matt
Must. Have. Spent. An. Hour. Explaining. To. Me. All. The. Evidence. Of.
[81:29]
Guest
The.
[81:29]
Matt
Iron. Veins. That.
[81:30]
Duncan
Are.
[81:30]
Matt
Underneath. The. Pyramids. And.
[81:31]
Guest
All.
[81:31]
Duncan
That.
[81:32]
Matt
Stuff.
[81:32]
Duncan
And.
[81:32]
Matt
Like. The. Different. Types.
[81:33]
Duncan
Of. Rock.
[81:33]
Matt
Different. Types.
[81:33]
Duncan
Of.
[81:34]
Matt
Stone. That. Conducts. Heat.
[81:34]
Guest
And.
[81:35]
Matt
Stuff.
[81:35]
Duncan
Like.
[81:35]
Matt
That. And. You. Know. He. Thinks. That. The. Filippo. Biondi. Thing. Is. Complete.
[81:44]
Duncan
Yeah.
[81:44]
Matt
And. Filippo. Biondi. Invited. Jeffrey. To. His. First. Presentation.
[81:49]
Guest
That.
[81:49]
Duncan
He.
[81:49]
Matt
Ever. Did.
[81:50]
Duncan
On. This.
[81:50]
Matt
Stuff. So. Kudos. To.
[81:52]
Duncan
Him.
[81:53]
Guest
For.
[81:53]
Matt
Actually. Having. Someone. In. There.
[81:54]
Guest
Who.
[81:54]
Matt
Is. Gonna. Like. Have.
[81:55]
Duncan
A.
[81:56]
Matt
A. Nuanced. Opinion. On. This. And. Give.
[81:58]
Guest
Him.
[81:58]
Matt
Pushback. But. Jeffrey's. Of. The.
[82:02]
Guest
Belief.
[82:02]
Matt
That. There's. Natural.
[82:03]
Duncan
Natural.
[82:04]
Matt
There's.
[82:04]
Duncan
Sort. Of.
[82:05]
Matt
Like. Natural. Iron. Veins. That. Go. Down. Underneath. The. Pyramid. He. Doesn't. Think. That. There's. Like. These. Perfectly. Spun. Coils. That.
[82:12]
Duncan
Go.
[82:12]
Matt
Down. Under. It. And. He. Also. He. Did.
[82:14]
Duncan
Like. A.
[82:15]
Matt
Very. Detailed. Breakdown. Of.
[82:16]
Duncan
All.
[82:17]
Matt
Of. The. Papers.
[82:17]
Duncan
That.
[82:17]
Matt
The. Beyond. The. Guy. Has. Released. And. He's.
[82:20]
Duncan
Found.
[82:20]
Matt
Inconsistencies. And. Stuff. And. Like. He's. Found. You. Know.
[82:23]
Guest
Holes.
[82:24]
Matt
In. Their. Way. Of. Measuring. It.
[82:25]
Guest
And.
[82:25]
Matt
Like. One. Of. The.
[82:26]
Duncan
Big.
[82:26]
Matt
Things. That. He. Pointed. Out. To. Me. Was. In.
[82:27]
Guest
The.
[82:27]
Matt
Central. Pyramid.
[82:28]
Guest
I.
[82:28]
Matt
Think.
[82:28]
Duncan
It's. The.
[82:29]
Matt
Coffee. Pyramid. When. The. Beyond. A. Protocol. As.
[82:32]
Duncan
He.
[82:32]
Matt
Calls. It. Use. Their. Satellites. And. The. Other. I. Forget. Exactly. How. It's. Done. Sar.
[82:40]
Duncan
Aperture.
[82:40]
Matt
Radar. When. They. Use. That. To. Scan. The. Central. Pyramid. They. Found. They. Showed. Their. Their. Diagram.
[82:49]
Duncan
Or.
[82:49]
Matt
Their. Heat. Map. Of.
[82:50]
Guest
It.
[82:50]
Matt
Or. Whatever. And. He. Claims. That. There's.
[82:52]
Guest
These.
[82:53]
Matt
Big. Chambers. Inside. Of. It.
[82:55]
Duncan
The.
[82:55]
Matt
Size. Of.
[82:55]
Guest
The.
[82:55]
Matt
King's. Chamber.
[82:56]
Guest
Chamber.
[82:56]
Matt
Well. We.
[82:57]
Duncan
Know.
[82:57]
Matt
For.
[82:57]
Duncan
A.
[82:57]
Matt
Fact. Those. Aren't.
[82:58]
Guest
In.
[82:58]
Duncan
That.
[82:58]
Matt
Pyramid. So. That's. A.
[83:00]
Guest
Huge. Red.
[83:00]
Matt
Flag.
[83:01]
Duncan
Yeah. To. Me. The. At. First. These. Scans. Had. Me. A. Lot. More. Excited. Because. Like. I. Looked. I. Looked. Into. Synthetic. Aperture. Radar. Again. It's. My. Job. So. I. Dug. Into.
[83:13]
Matt
That.
[83:14]
Duncan
And. You. Know.
[83:15]
Guest
In.
[83:15]
Duncan
The. Seventies. They. Used. It. And. They. Used. They. Just. Analog. Stuff. There's. This. Really. Cool. Chart. That. Was. Like. A. Picture.
[83:21]
Matt
Of.
[83:21]
Duncan
A. Blob. And.
[83:22]
Guest
Then.
[83:22]
Duncan
Like. A. Soviet. Tank. Tank. And. A. Picture. Of.
[83:24]
Matt
A. Blob.
[83:24]
Duncan
And. A. Soviet. Plane. It's. Like. This. This. Is. For. The. Military. This. This. Synthetic. Aperture. Radar. Blob. Is. Usually. This. T. Thirty. Four. Tank.
[83:31]
Matt
Or.
[83:32]
Duncan
Whatever. Then. Computers. Have. Made. It. To. Where. Like. This. Down. To. Like. I. Think. It's. Two. Centimeters. Of. Fidelity. From. Space. So. When. They. Like.
[83:41]
Guest
Oh.
[83:41]
Duncan
We're. Using. AI. To. Make. This. It. Made. Sense. To. Me.
[83:44]
Guest
And.
[83:44]
Duncan
Then. We. Even. Dismissed. The. Five. Kings. Chambers. As. Well. You. Get. Five. Thumbs. On. You. Know. Know. Sometimes. When.
[83:49]
Matt
You're.
[83:49]
Duncan
Making.
[83:50]
Matt
AI.
[83:50]
Duncan
Art. AI. Is. Still.
[83:51]
Guest
Kind.
[83:51]
Duncan
Of. A. Little. Stupid.
[83:52]
Matt
Yeah.
[83:54]
Duncan
But. Now. We're. At.
[83:58]
Guest
A.
[83:58]
Duncan
Point. Where. I'm. Very.
[83:59]
Guest
Much.
[84:00]
Duncan
On. The. Or. Get. Off.
[84:01]
Matt
The. Pot.
[84:01]
Duncan
At. This. Point. It's. Like. I. Either. Dig. Dig. Up. Go. Somewhere. Prove.
[84:05]
Matt
It.
[84:05]
Duncan
Or. Quit. Because. You. Know. Second. Sphinx. And. More. Stuff. On. It's. All. I'll. Forgive. A. Little. Bit. Of. Stuff. To. To. Market. I. Get. You. Got.
[84:14]
Guest
A.
[84:14]
Duncan
Cool. Process. Product. Here. But. The. Fact. Is. You're. Out. There. Screaming. About. All. This. And. No. Alphabet. Boys. Have. Snapped. That. Up. Yet. And. Said. This. Is. Mine. Or. Disappeared. Him. Or. I. Mean. You. Know. The. Us. Government. Probably. Wouldn't. Even. Use. It. To. Look. At. Other. Guys. We'd. Probably. Just. Be. Like. You. Know. What. I'm. Way. More. Concerned. They're. Going. To. Use. It. To. Look. At. Us. So. Just. Toss. That. And. Put. That. In. The.
[84:35]
Matt
Lock.
[84:36]
Duncan
And. Throw. Away.
[84:36]
Matt
The.
[84:36]
Duncan
Key. But. So. Yeah.
[84:39]
Guest
There's. A. Lot.
[84:39]
Duncan
Of. Things. That. Make. Me. Really. Really. Skeptical. About. The. Military. Applications. On. This. Honestly. Would. Be. There's. No. Way. If. It. Was. Working. The. Way. It. Does. It. Wouldn't. Have. Been. By. Now.
[84:49]
Matt
Well. Yeah. And. If. You. The. And. One. Of. The. Other. Big. Problems. With. It. Is. If.
[84:53]
Guest
You.
[84:53]
Matt
Look. At. The.
[84:54]
Duncan
Raw.
[84:54]
Matt
Data. Like.
[84:55]
Duncan
The. Raw.
[84:55]
Matt
Images. That.
[84:56]
Guest
It. Came.
[84:56]
Duncan
Up.
[84:56]
Matt
With. And. You. Look. At. The. AI. Renditions. That. He. Made. It's.
[84:59]
Duncan
Like.
[84:59]
Matt
How.
[85:00]
Guest
In.
[85:00]
Matt
God's. Name. Did. You. Come.
[85:02]
Duncan
Up.
[85:02]
Matt
With.
[85:02]
Duncan
This.
[85:03]
Matt
Out. Of. This.
[85:03]
Guest
Yeah.
[85:04]
Duncan
Yeah. It's. Like. Pull.
[85:05]
Guest
Up. The.
[85:05]
Matt
Images. Of. That. Stuff. Dude. It's. Insane.
[85:07]
Duncan
Yeah.
[85:07]
Guest
It's.
[85:07]
Duncan
Gotten. Pretty. Bad.
[85:08]
Matt
And. Another. Thing. Jeffrey. Was. Telling.
[85:10]
Duncan
Me. He's.
[85:10]
Matt
Like. Because. The. Way. They. They. Went. About. Doing.
[85:12]
Guest
Doing.
[85:12]
Duncan
That.
[85:13]
Matt
Which. Is. It's. I. Guess. It's. Not. Illegal. How. They.
[85:16]
Guest
Did.
[85:16]
Duncan
It.
[85:17]
Matt
But. Like. Generally.
[85:17]
Guest
When.
[85:18]
Matt
You're. Doing.
[85:18]
Duncan
That.
[85:18]
Matt
Kind. Of. Stuff. You. Want.
[85:19]
Duncan
To.
[85:19]
Matt
Get. Like. The. Blessing.
[85:21]
Duncan
Of.
[85:21]
Matt
Egypt.
[85:22]
Duncan
Or.
[85:22]
Guest
The.
[85:22]
Matt
People. That. Are. The. Antiquities. Or. Whatever. And. They. Did. That.
[85:24]
Duncan
Kind.
[85:25]
Matt
Of. Like. Rogue. Without. Getting. Actual. Permission. To. Do. It. And. Now. Jeffrey's.
[85:29]
Duncan
Saying.
[85:29]
Guest
That.
[85:29]
Matt
He.
[85:29]
Duncan
He.
[85:29]
Guest
Talks.
[85:30]
Matt
To.
[85:30]
Duncan
A.
[85:30]
Matt
Lot.
[85:30]
Duncan
Of.
[85:30]
Matt
People. That. Work. Inside. Like. The. Department. Of. Antiquities. Or. Whatever.
[85:35]
Duncan
And.
[85:35]
Matt
They. All. Tell. Jeffrey. He's. Like. This. Guy's. Not. Going.
[85:38]
Duncan
To.
[85:38]
Matt
Touch. Another. Grain. Of. Sand. On.
[85:40]
Guest
In.
[85:40]
Duncan
The.
[85:41]
Matt
Egyptian. Desert. Like.
[85:41]
Duncan
If.
[85:42]
Matt
This. Guy. Thinks. He's. Going. To. Do. Anything. Else. After. This. He's. Like. He's. Gravely.
[85:45]
Duncan
Mistaken. That's. Crazy. Because. I. Mean. What. You. Know. I. This. Stuff. Is. Basically. Non. Invasive. Right. I. Mean. This.
[85:51]
Matt
Totally. Is. Yeah.
[85:52]
Duncan
They're. Using. I. Mean. The. The. Satellite. Data. You. Could. Even. Just. Go. Buy. It. It's. Already. It's. Been. Around. For.
[85:59]
Matt
A. While.
[85:59]
Duncan
Right.
[86:01]
Matt
Find. The. One. That. They.
[86:02]
Duncan
Did. Of.
[86:02]
Matt
The. Great. Pyramid. And. Then. The.
[86:04]
Guest
One.
[86:04]
Matt
They. Did. Of. The. Central. Pyramid. Too.
[86:06]
Duncan
With. The. Five. Kings. Chambers. Good. God.
[86:08]
Guest
The.
[86:08]
Matt
Great. Pyramid. And. The. Central. Pyramid. The. Coffre. Pyramid. Yeah. Sar. Pyramid. Scan. Yeah. Try. Type. Type.
[86:17]
Duncan
That.
[86:17]
Matt
In. See. If.
[86:19]
Guest
We.
[86:19]
Duncan
Can. Find.
[86:19]
Matt
The.
[86:19]
Duncan
Raw.
[86:19]
Matt
One. It's. Pretty. Crazy. Yeah. There.
[86:21]
Duncan
It.
[86:21]
Matt
Is. On.
[86:21]
Guest
The.
[86:21]
Matt
Right. Yep. That.
[86:22]
Guest
One.
[86:22]
Matt
Nope. Left. Left.
[86:24]
Guest
More. To.
[86:24]
Duncan
The. Left.
[86:25]
Matt
Left. Up. Up. Right. There. So. That's.
[86:28]
Duncan
A.
[86:29]
Matt
Side. Angle. View.
[86:30]
Duncan
Yeah.
[86:30]
Guest
Of.
[86:30]
Matt
The. Great. Pyramid.
[86:32]
Duncan
Yeah. That's.
[86:33]
Matt
Not.
[86:36]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. This. It's. Definitely. A.
[86:40]
Matt
You. Can. Kind.
[86:40]
Guest
Of.
[86:40]
Duncan
See.
[86:40]
Matt
The.
[86:41]
Guest
Up.
[86:41]
Matt
Outer. Edges. Of. It.
[86:42]
Duncan
A.
[86:42]
Matt
Little. Bit.
[86:45]
Duncan
I. Mean. Even. The. Way. That. They. Say. That. It. Works. It's. Shooting. Through. A. Pyramid. Is. A. Little. Tricky. Because. It's. The. Idea. Is. It's. Reading. Changes. In. The. Topography. Right. So. It's. Changes. In. The. Soil. So. If. It. Takes. Two. Scans. For. One. Of. These. Things. To.
[86:59]
Matt
Work.
[86:59]
Duncan
They. The. Idea. Is. Like.
[87:01]
Matt
If.
[87:01]
Duncan
You're. Walking.
[87:01]
Matt
On.
[87:01]
Duncan
A. Piece. Of. Concrete. And. There's. A. Tunnel. Underneath. It. And. There's. Sand. Sand. The. Sand's. Going. To. Vibrate. Differently. Over. The. Tunnel.
[87:07]
Guest
Than. It.
[87:07]
Duncan
Will. On. The. Concrete.
[87:08]
Matt
Right.
[87:08]
Duncan
That's. Okay. But. The. Pyramid. Ain't. You. Know. Ain't. Got. Tons. And. Tons. Of. Sand. Covering. It. Where. They've. Got. All. This. Data. To. Correlate. From. It. So. I. With. Other. Blocks. Moving. Every. Day.
[87:18]
Guest
Or.
[87:18]
Duncan
Something.
[87:19]
Matt
It.
[87:19]
Duncan
Was. So. There's. There's.
[87:22]
Matt
A.
[87:22]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Things. That. Really. Just. Don't. Seem. To. Add. Up. And. Again. I. Was. I. Was. Trying. To.
[87:28]
Guest
Be.
[87:28]
Duncan
Lean. At. The. Beginning. Because. AI. Is. Goofy. Man.
[87:30]
Guest
And.
[87:30]
Duncan
You. Know. Anytime. New. Tech. Comes. Along. It's. It's. Hard. To. Wrap. Your. Brain. Around. It. But. Yeah.
[87:37]
Matt
At.
[87:37]
Duncan
This. Point. I. Need. More.
[87:39]
Matt
We.
[87:39]
Duncan
Spend.
[87:40]
Matt
So. Much. Time. Securing. Our. Passwords. That. We. Tend.
[87:42]
Duncan
To.
[87:42]
Matt
Forget. That. Our. Data. Is. Already. Public. And. That's. Why. I'm.
[87:45]
Duncan
Working.
[87:45]
Matt
With. Incogni.
[87:46]
Duncan
You.
[87:46]
Matt
Got.
[87:46]
Guest
To.
[87:46]
Matt
Check. Them. Out. Incogni.
[87:47]
Guest
Is.
[87:48]
Duncan
The.
[87:48]
Matt
Ultimate.
[87:48]
Duncan
Set.
[87:48]
Guest
It.
[87:49]
Matt
And.
[87:49]
Guest
Forget.
[87:49]
Matt
It.
[87:49]
Duncan
Tool.
[87:49]
Matt
For. Taking. Back. Control. Of.
[87:51]
Duncan
Your.
[87:51]
Matt
Personal. Information. Your.
[87:52]
Duncan
Digital.
[87:52]
Matt
Footprint. Is. Basically. A. Map. For. Scammers. Identity. Theft. Is. At. An. All. Time. High. Right. Now. Because. Our. Personal. Details.
[87:58]
Guest
Are.
[87:58]
Duncan
Sitting. On.
[87:59]
Matt
People. Search. Sites.
[88:00]
Guest
For.
[88:00]
Matt
Anyone.
[88:00]
Guest
With.
[88:00]
Matt
A. Credit. Card. To. See. Incogni. Handles. The. General. Removal. Of. Your. Info.
[88:05]
Duncan
Across.
[88:05]
Matt
The. Internet. So.
[88:06]
Guest
You.
[88:06]
Matt
Aren't.
[88:07]
Duncan
A.
[88:07]
Matt
Sitting. Duck.
[88:07]
Duncan
For.
[88:07]
Matt
Identity. Thieves. Or. Elaborate. Financial. Scams. The. Real. Game.
[88:10]
Guest
Changer.
[88:11]
Duncan
Is.
[88:11]
Matt
Their. Custom.
[88:11]
Duncan
Removals.
[88:12]
Matt
Which.
[88:12]
Duncan
You. Can.
[88:12]
Matt
Get.
[88:12]
Guest
With.
[88:13]
Matt
Their. Unlimited. Plans. It's. Unique. Because. It. Doesn't. Just. Stop. With.
[88:15]
Guest
Big.
[88:16]
Matt
Brokers. It. Goes. After.
[88:17]
Guest
The.
[88:17]
Matt
Niche. Ones. Too. And.
[88:18]
Duncan
You.
[88:18]
Matt
Can.
[88:18]
Guest
Track. Every.
[88:19]
Matt
Single. Request.
[88:19]
Duncan
Right. On.
[88:20]
Guest
Your.
[88:20]
Matt
Dashboard. It's. Like.
[88:21]
Guest
Having.
[88:21]
Duncan
A.
[88:21]
Guest
Digital.
[88:21]
Matt
Cleaning.
[88:22]
Duncan
Crew.
[88:22]
Matt
Working. Twenty. Four. Seven.
[88:23]
Guest
To.
[88:23]
Matt
Keep.
[88:23]
Duncan
Your.
[88:23]
Guest
Name.
[88:23]
Matt
And. Info. Off. All. Of. These. Sites. Clear. Your. Name. From.
[88:26]
Guest
The.
[88:26]
Matt
Web. Today. And. Go.
[88:27]
Guest
To.
[88:27]
Matt
Incogni. Dot. Com. Danny. And.
[88:29]
Duncan
Use.
[88:29]
Guest
The.
[88:29]
Matt
Code. Danny. For. Sixty. Percent. Off. Their. Annual. Plan. That. Is.
[88:33]
Guest
The.
[88:33]
Matt
Best.
[88:34]
Duncan
Deal.
[88:34]
Matt
They.
[88:34]
Guest
Offer.
[88:35]
Matt
One. More. Time.
[88:36]
Duncan
Use.
[88:36]
Matt
Code. Danny.
[88:37]
Duncan
At.
[88:37]
Matt
Incogni. Dot. Com. Danny. For. Sixty. Percent. Off. Scan.
[88:44]
Guest
The. Qr.
[88:44]
Duncan
Code.
[88:44]
Matt
Or.
[88:45]
Duncan
Hit.
[88:45]
Matt
The. Link.
[88:45]
Guest
In.
[88:45]
Duncan
The.
[88:45]
Matt
Description. To. Start. Your. Cleanup. Today. I. Know. You've. Done. Some. Stuff. On. Gokli. Tepe. And. Last. Time.
[88:50]
Duncan
You.
[88:50]
Matt
Were. Here.
[88:50]
Guest
With.
[88:50]
Matt
Jimmy. We. Were. Kind. Of. Talking. About. All. The. Stuff. That's. Been. Going.
[88:54]
Duncan
On.
[88:54]
Matt
There. With. Like. The. The. The. Olive. Trees. And. All.
[88:56]
Duncan
That.
[88:57]
Matt
Stuff. I'm. Curious. Because. We. We. Actually. Recently. Just. In. We. Were. Trying. To. Get. A. Hold. Of. A. Guy. Who. Was. The. I.
[89:05]
Duncan
Think.
[89:05]
Matt
He. Was. Like.
[89:06]
Duncan
The.
[89:06]
Matt
Head. Of. The. Project.
[89:08]
Duncan
There.
[89:08]
Matt
Of. Goli. Tepe. And. We. Wanted. To. Talk. To. Him. About. This. Because.
[89:12]
Duncan
He.
[89:12]
Matt
Seems. He's. Like. One.
[89:13]
Guest
Of.
[89:13]
Duncan
Those.
[89:13]
Matt
Guys.
[89:13]
Duncan
Who's.
[89:14]
Matt
Never. Been. In.
[89:14]
Guest
Front.
[89:14]
Matt
Of. A. Microphone.
[89:15]
Duncan
Lee. Claire.
[89:16]
Matt
Is. That.
[89:17]
Duncan
Remember. Do. You. Remember. What. His. Name.
[89:18]
Matt
Was.
[89:18]
Duncan
The. Guy. We.
[89:18]
Matt
Reached. Out. To.
[89:20]
Duncan
That. Was. The.
[89:20]
Guest
Head.
[89:21]
Duncan
Of.
[89:21]
Matt
Gobekli. Tepe.
[89:22]
Guest
Lee. Cla.
[89:23]
Matt
Oh.
[89:23]
Duncan
That.
[89:23]
Matt
Was. Him. Yeah.
[89:24]
Duncan
Yeah. He. Was. On. Flint. Dibble's. Podcast. Once. Oh.
[89:26]
Matt
Was.
[89:26]
Duncan
He. Really.
[89:27]
Matt
Oh. Okay.
[89:27]
Duncan
It. Was. Like. A. Live. Stream. But. I. Think. That. That.
[89:29]
Matt
That.
[89:30]
Duncan
Honestly. Like. Flint. Kind. Of. Drug. Him. Into. The. Middle. Of. This. Storm.
[89:35]
Matt
Yeah. It. Seemed.
[89:35]
Duncan
Like.
[89:36]
Matt
He. Really. Didn't. Want. To.
[89:36]
Duncan
Be.
[89:37]
Matt
Involved. In.
[89:37]
Guest
Any. Of.
[89:37]
Matt
The. Public. Stuff. No.
[89:38]
Duncan
Now. Now. He. Yells. At. Me. On. Twitter. Regularly.
[89:40]
Matt
Oh.
[89:40]
Duncan
Does.
[89:40]
Matt
He. Really.
[89:41]
Duncan
I. Mean. Him. Me. And. Him. Have. Argued. On. The. Internet. Before. He. Calls. Me. All. Kinds. Of. Names.
[89:46]
Matt
Damn.
[89:46]
Duncan
It. It's. All. Right. It's.
[89:47]
Matt
All.
[89:47]
Duncan
Right. It's. All. Right.
[89:48]
Matt
I.
[89:48]
Duncan
Thought. He. Was.
[89:48]
Matt
A. Virgin.
[89:49]
Guest
You.
[89:50]
Matt
Know.
[89:50]
Duncan
I. Think. Honestly. I. Think. Zahi. Hawass. Is. I. Think. He. He's. A. I.
[89:55]
Matt
Think.
[89:55]
Duncan
He's. A. Wrestling. Heel. I. Think.
[89:57]
Guest
Oh.
[89:57]
Matt
Yeah.
[89:58]
Duncan
I. Think. He. Just. Deliberately. He. Plays.
[90:01]
Matt
The.
[90:01]
Duncan
Bad. Guy. There's. Nothing. To. See. Here. There's. Nothing. You. Know. When. I. Was. Debating. Him. On. Piers. Morgan. He. Says. To. Me. He. Shamed. Me. For.
[90:09]
Guest
Not.
[90:09]
Duncan
Having. Visited. Egypt. Yet. And. You.
[90:12]
Guest
Don't.
[90:12]
Duncan
Even.
[90:13]
Matt
Know.
[90:13]
Duncan
What. You're. Talking. About. It's. Like. Okay. Everything. He. Does. Seems.
[90:17]
Matt
To.
[90:17]
Duncan
Circle. Back. Towards. Tourism. Which. He. Is. The. Minister. Of. Tourism. And. Anti. Antiquities. And. You. Know. There's. A. Video. Of. Him. There's. It's. Two. Part. Video. It's. An. Interview. Where. He's. Talking. About. The. Things. You. Want.
[90:29]
Guest
To.
[90:29]
Duncan
Do. To. Increase. Tourism. To. Your. Country. And. So. This. Is. For. Guys. Likely. Claire. Right. He. Says. You. Don't. Want. The. Quantity. Of. People. You.
[90:38]
Matt
Want.
[90:38]
Duncan
Quality. You.
[90:38]
Guest
Want.
[90:39]
Duncan
Americans. You. Want. Japanese. You. Want. Chinese.
[90:41]
Matt
You.
[90:41]
Duncan
Want. People.
[90:41]
Guest
Who.
[90:41]
Duncan
Will. Bring. Enough. Money. To. Change. Your. Economy. And. Also.
[90:46]
Matt
This.
[90:46]
Duncan
Is. Right. After. The. Whole. Arab. Spring.
[90:48]
Guest
When.
[90:48]
Duncan
Zahi. Gave. This. Gave. This. Speech. And. He. Says. No. Matter. What. Is. Happening. In. Egypt. Those. New. Age. People. They.
[90:55]
Matt
Will.
[90:55]
Duncan
Come. He. Knows. What. Side. His. Bread's. Buttered. On. And. This. Is.
[90:59]
Guest
Why.
[90:59]
Duncan
I. Think. That. They. Dragged. Their. Feet. About. Investigating. The. Muon. Chamber. That. They. Found. With. The. Muon. Scans. In. The. Great. Pyramid. Like. Eight. Nine. Years. Ago.
[91:07]
Matt
Which.
[91:07]
Duncan
One.
[91:07]
Matt
Is. That.
[91:08]
Duncan
There's. Like. A. Second. Grand. Gallery. Looking. Thing. That. They. Found. Oh.
[91:11]
Matt
Above. The. Grand. Gallery.
[91:13]
Duncan
And. They. Haven't. Investigated.
[91:14]
Matt
Yet.
[91:14]
Duncan
In. All. Honesty. I. Think. It's. The. Same. Reason. That. They're. Not. Going. To. Town. Digging. It. Gobekli. Tepe. The. Mystery. Is. What. Makes. The. Money. If. They. Find. A. Mummy.
[91:22]
Guest
In.
[91:22]
Duncan
There. You. Know. Zahi's. In. Zahi's. Thinking. They.
[91:25]
Matt
Might.
[91:25]
Duncan
Lose. Tourism. Revenue.
[91:26]
Matt
Yeah.
[91:27]
Duncan
And. It's. Going. To. Cost. Money. To.
[91:28]
Matt
Dig.
[91:28]
Duncan
It. Out. So. Yeah. There. You. Go.
[91:31]
Matt
Now.
[91:31]
Duncan
This. Is. With. Muon. Scans. This. Is. Much. Different. Than. The. Synthetic. Aperture. Radar. Muons. Are. Subatomic. Particles. That. Are. Like. All.
[91:38]
Matt
Over.
[91:38]
Duncan
The. Universe. Flying. Through. Space. And. They. Pass. Through. Pretty. Much. Anything. But. They. Do. Bounce. Around. After. They. Hit. The. Universe. Earth. And. So. They. They. Detect. This. By. That. So. It's. Definitely. You. Know. It's. Difficult. To. Know. It's. It's. Clearly. Like. I.
[91:55]
Guest
Mean.
[91:55]
Duncan
You. Can. See. Right. There. They. Don't. Even. Know. Exactly. How. It's. Oriented.
[91:58]
Matt
Right.
[91:58]
Duncan
But. They.
[91:59]
Matt
The. Size. Of. Like. An. Airplane.
[92:00]
Duncan
Yeah. There's. A. Big. Old. Big. Old. And. Just. Like. With. Gobekli. Tepe.
[92:04]
Guest
I.
[92:04]
Duncan
Mean. If. You. Know. Gobekli. Tepe. If.
[92:06]
Matt
They.
[92:06]
Duncan
Excavated. Everything. There. The. Mystery. Would. Be.
[92:10]
Guest
Gone.
[92:11]
Duncan
Right. And. To. The.
[92:14]
Matt
New.
[92:14]
Duncan
Agey. People. These. Guys. Zahi. Hawass. Like. I. Said. He's. Very. Clear. About. That. Being. The. Case. In. Egypt. And. I. Go. Out.
[92:23]
Matt
In.
[92:23]
Guest
The.
[92:23]
Duncan
Limb. And. Say. Gobekli. Tepe. Any. Of. The. Places. That. Got. Popular. From. The. Atlantis. Borough. Community. Right. When. The. Atlantis. Boroughs. Start. Talking. About. The. Place. You. Get.
[92:31]
Guest
Increase.
[92:32]
Duncan
In. Tourism. And. A. Lot. Of. Those. People. Are. Going.
[92:34]
Guest
To.
[92:34]
Duncan
Go.
[92:34]
Matt
There.
[92:34]
Duncan
And. Spend.
[92:36]
Guest
A.
[92:36]
Duncan
Lot.
[92:36]
Matt
Of.
[92:37]
Duncan
Money. But. Not. Really. They. Want.
[92:40]
Matt
A.
[92:40]
Duncan
Mystery. So. They. Don't.
[92:41]
Matt
Really.
[92:41]
Duncan
Care.
[92:41]
Guest
If.
[92:41]
Duncan
You've. Dug. Up. All. Of. All. Of. Ninety. Five. As. A. Matter. Of. Fact. If. You. Haven't. Then. They. Can. Say. You. Know.
[92:47]
Guest
What.
[92:47]
Duncan
That. So. Honestly. I. Think. Zahi. Wasp. I.
[92:50]
Guest
Think.
[92:50]
Duncan
He's. Playing. That. Angle. I. Think. He's. Walking. Around. Like. Ted. Dibiase. Did. When. We. Were. Kids. Telling. His. People. With. His. Black. Dude. That's.
[92:58]
Matt
He.
[92:58]
Duncan
Racist. As. Towards. So. You. Just. Want.
[93:00]
Matt
To.
[93:00]
Duncan
Hate.
[93:00]
Matt
Him.
[93:01]
Duncan
Same. Same. Kind. Of. Thing. Just. Just. Go. Ahead. And. Hate. Me. Just. Come. Here. And. Spend.
[93:04]
Guest
Your.
[93:04]
Duncan
Money. You.
[93:05]
Matt
Think.
[93:05]
Duncan
That.
[93:06]
Matt
They'll. Go. Like.
[93:07]
Duncan
They.
[93:08]
Matt
Make.
[93:08]
Duncan
A. Lot. Of.
[93:08]
Matt
Money. From. Gobekli. Tepe. Tourism.
[93:10]
Duncan
They. Do. Hey. They. Charge. Like. Twenty. Bucks. Ahead. I. Think. It. Is. And. That's.
[93:14]
Matt
Not. A.
[93:14]
Duncan
Fortune. But. That's. Twenty. American. Dollars. Ahead. Right. I.
[93:18]
Matt
Mean.
[93:18]
Guest
You're.
[93:18]
Duncan
Getting. Money. Dude. You're. Getting. Right.
[93:19]
Matt
And. They're.
[93:20]
Duncan
Not. Just.
[93:20]
Matt
Spending. Money. At. The. Site.
[93:21]
Duncan
They're.
[93:22]
Matt
Spending.
[93:22]
Guest
The.
[93:22]
Matt
Money.
[93:22]
Duncan
To.
[93:22]
Matt
Get.
[93:23]
Duncan
There. The. Entire. Economy.
[93:24]
Matt
Right. They're. Staying. There. In. Hotels. And.
[93:27]
Duncan
And. You. Got. To. Think. About. Like. You. Go. To. A. Lot. Of. These. Places. You. Could. Fifty. Bucks. Will. Get. You.
[93:34]
Matt
A. Lot.
[93:34]
Duncan
Further. There. Than. It.
[93:36]
Guest
Will.
[93:36]
Duncan
Here. And. So. You. Know. These. Guys. Are. To. Us. It's. Like. Them. Beating. Another. Fifty. Bucks. Out. Of. A. Person's. Nothing. To. Us. But. To. Them. That's. Fucking. Feeding. A. Dude. For.
[93:46]
Guest
A.
[93:46]
Duncan
Month. So. There's. There's.
[93:48]
Guest
All.
[93:48]
Duncan
Kinds. Of. It's. Sad. I. Think. The. Same. Thing. About.
[93:52]
Matt
The.
[93:52]
Duncan
Tridactyl. Mummies. For. Example. I. Think. That. Those. Are. Because. I. Think. That. The. Guys. That. Are. Doing.
[93:58]
Matt
Getting.
[93:58]
Duncan
Some. Dollars. For. It. Peru's. Got.
[94:02]
Matt
A.
[94:02]
Duncan
Problem. With.
[94:02]
Guest
Did. You.
[94:03]
Matt
See. Jesse. Michaels. Documentary.
[94:04]
Duncan
On. That. I. Did.
[94:05]
Guest
Not.
[94:05]
Matt
I.
[94:06]
Duncan
Haven't. I. I. Admittedly. Was. It. Good.
[94:08]
Matt
Yeah. It.
[94:09]
Duncan
Was.
[94:09]
Matt
Really. Good. All. Right. I. Don't. Know. But.
[94:11]
Duncan
I've.
[94:11]
Matt
Also. Had. Heard. A. Lot. Of. People. Say.
[94:12]
Guest
That.
[94:13]
Matt
It. Was. Because. There. Was. Another. Guy. Involved. In. The.
[94:15]
Guest
Whole.
[94:15]
Matt
Thing. Jaime.
[94:19]
Guest
I.
[94:19]
Duncan
Think.
[94:19]
Matt
His. Name. Was. Jaime. Something. Who. Was. Like. Actual. Actually. Promoting. Fake. Mummies. Like. Fake.
[94:27]
Duncan
Yeah.
[94:28]
Matt
And. But. From. I.
[94:30]
Duncan
Mean.
[94:30]
Matt
I'm.
[94:31]
Duncan
Kind. Of.
[94:32]
Matt
Vague. On.
[94:32]
Duncan
It.
[94:32]
Matt
Now. Because. It's.
[94:33]
Duncan
Been. So. Long.
[94:33]
Matt
Since. I've.
[94:34]
Duncan
Watched.
[94:34]
Matt
Jesse's. Documentary. On.
[94:35]
Duncan
It.
[94:35]
Guest
But.
[94:35]
Matt
He. Went. Down. There. And.
[94:37]
Guest
He.
[94:37]
Matt
Found. Some. Mummies. That. Had. Like. Metal. Infused. To. Their.
[94:41]
Duncan
Bones. And.
[94:41]
Matt
Stuff. Like.
[94:42]
Guest
That.
[94:42]
Matt
And. Like.
[94:42]
Duncan
Those. Pictures.
[94:43]
Matt
He. Had.
[94:43]
Guest
Some.
[94:43]
Matt
Legit. Scientists. Looking. At. It. Saying. That.
[94:45]
Guest
It.
[94:45]
Matt
Had. To. Have. Been. Real.
[94:47]
Duncan
Yeah. No. I. I've. Seen. The. Photographs. That. I've. Read. Some. About. That. I. Read.
[94:51]
Guest
A.
[94:51]
Duncan
Lot. More.
[94:51]
Matt
Than.
[94:51]
Duncan
I. Watch. YouTube.
[94:52]
Matt
So.
[94:52]
Duncan
You.
[94:52]
Matt
Can. Find.
[94:53]
Duncan
An.
[94:53]
Matt
Image. Of. Jesse. Michael's. Mummies. That.
[94:55]
Duncan
He.
[94:55]
Matt
Found. Those. Are.
[94:56]
Duncan
The.
[94:56]
Matt
Fake.
[94:56]
Duncan
Ones.
[94:56]
Matt
Those.
[94:57]
Duncan
Ones.
[94:57]
Matt
Were. Proven. Fake. Right.
[94:58]
Duncan
There. Oh. You're. Talking. About.
[94:59]
Matt
The.
[94:59]
Duncan
One.
[94:59]
Matt
That. Was.
[95:00]
Duncan
Found.
[95:00]
Matt
In.
[95:00]
Duncan
The. Cave.
[95:01]
Matt
Yeah. The. Ones. That.
[95:03]
Duncan
Were.
[95:03]
Matt
In. Jesse. Michael's. Recent. Video. Yeah. Yeah.
[95:06]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. Because.
[95:08]
Matt
Those.
[95:08]
Duncan
Were.
[95:09]
Matt
Different. And.
[95:09]
Duncan
One.
[95:09]
Guest
Of. One.
[95:10]
Duncan
Of.
[95:10]
Matt
Them. Had. A. Like. A.
[95:11]
Duncan
A.
[95:12]
Matt
A. Fetus.
[95:13]
Duncan
Yes.
[95:13]
Matt
Did.
[95:14]
Duncan
You.
[95:14]
Matt
See.
[95:14]
Duncan
That. Going. Around. Yeah. Too. The. The. Elongated. Skull. Fetus. Because.
[95:17]
Guest
I've.
[95:18]
Matt
Been.
[95:18]
Duncan
Covering. The. Elongated. Skulls. Quite. A. Bit. Lately. Yeah.
[95:23]
Matt
Yeah. So. So.
[95:25]
Duncan
Have.
[95:25]
Guest
You.
[95:25]
Matt
Looked.
[95:25]
Duncan
At.
[95:25]
Matt
This. One.
[95:26]
Duncan
No. I. Haven't.
[95:27]
Matt
Looked.
[95:27]
Duncan
At. That. One. Yet. I. Mean. I've. Seen. It. But. I. Haven't. Dug. Into. It. No. I.
[95:31]
Matt
It's. Like.
[95:31]
Duncan
Got.
[95:31]
Matt
Five. Six.
[95:32]
Duncan
Fingers.
[95:33]
Matt
Right. Yeah. I.
[95:34]
Duncan
Think.
[95:34]
Matt
Three. Fingers.
[95:35]
Duncan
Or.
[95:35]
Matt
Four. Maybe.
[95:38]
Duncan
I'll. Have. To. Take. A. Look. Into. This.
[95:41]
Matt
Remember. We. Had.
[95:41]
Guest
That.
[95:42]
Matt
That.
[95:42]
Duncan
Little.
[95:42]
Matt
Short. Video. About. This. Where.
[95:43]
Duncan
The.
[95:43]
Matt
Guy.
[95:44]
Duncan
Was.
[95:44]
Matt
Explaining. It. Yeah.
[95:45]
Duncan
Yeah.
[95:45]
Guest
I. Mean.
[95:45]
Duncan
I.
[95:45]
Guest
Can.
[95:46]
Duncan
Look. For. It. Yeah. See.
[95:47]
Matt
If.
[95:47]
Duncan
You. Can.
[95:47]
Matt
Find. That. Cuz. It. Gave. It. Gives. A. Good. Like. Breakdown. Of. What. The. Whole. Thing. Was. About. And. Like.
[95:53]
Guest
Where.
[95:53]
Matt
They. Found. Them. And. What. Was. Interesting. About. The. Like. The. Cat. Scans. They. Did. On. It. And. Like.
[96:01]
Duncan
The.
[96:01]
Matt
Skeletal. Thing. They.
[96:02]
Duncan
Were.
[96:02]
Matt
Like. They. Were. Like. Basically. They. Were. Saying. This.
[96:05]
Duncan
Would. Have.
[96:05]
Guest
Been.
[96:05]
Matt
Impossible. For. Them. To.
[96:07]
Guest
Make.
[96:07]
Matt
This. Thing. Like. This. With. The. Skeleton. That's. Inside. Of. It. With. The. Fetus.
[96:10]
Guest
And.
[96:11]
Matt
Like. It's. It's. Biological.
[96:13]
Duncan
And.
[96:13]
Matt
It's. Like. Maybe.
[96:15]
Guest
They.
[96:15]
Matt
Could. Have. Taken. Bones. And. Pieced. It. Together. But. It's.
[96:17]
Duncan
Like.
[96:18]
Matt
Very. Low. Chance. That.
[96:19]
Guest
It.
[96:19]
Duncan
Was.
[96:19]
Matt
Fake.
[96:19]
Duncan
That's. Interesting. I.
[96:20]
Guest
Don't.
[96:20]
Duncan
Know.
[96:20]
Matt
I.
[96:21]
Guest
Haven't.
[96:21]
Matt
Looked. At.
[96:21]
Guest
It.
[96:21]
Duncan
I.
[96:21]
Matt
Haven't. Looked.
[96:22]
Duncan
At.
[96:22]
Guest
It.
[96:22]
Matt
In.
[96:22]
Duncan
A. Couple.
[96:22]
Matt
Months. So.
[96:23]
Duncan
I. Don't.
[96:23]
Guest
Know.
[96:23]
Matt
I. Don't. Know.
[96:23]
Guest
If.
[96:23]
Matt
It's.
[96:23]
Duncan
Been.
[96:24]
Matt
Proven.
[96:24]
Duncan
Wrong.
[96:24]
Guest
Or.
[96:24]
Matt
Debunked.
[96:25]
Duncan
I'd.
[96:25]
Matt
Love.
[96:25]
Duncan
To. Dig. Into. It. Some. Like. The. The. Peruse. Peruse. Problems. With. With.
[96:31]
Matt
You.
[96:31]
Duncan
Know. Arc. The. Elongated. Skulls. From. Paracas. For. Example. The. That. Surrounds. The. Those. No. End. The. Guy. That. Was. In. Charge. Of. It. Julio. Tello. Back. In. The. Nineteen. Twenties. And. Thirties. He. Yeah. He. He. Sold. A. Bunch. Of. Them. To. Rockefeller. He. Sold.
[96:50]
Matt
Four.
[96:50]
Duncan
Or. Five.
[96:50]
Guest
Of.
[96:50]
Duncan
Them. To. Rockefeller. For. Three. Thousand.
[96:52]
Matt
Dollars.
[96:52]
Duncan
And. Now. The. In. The. We're. Up. Where. I. Live. In. The. Pacific. Northwest. There. Was. Shitloads. Of. These. Elongated. Skulls. In. The. Eighteen. Eighties. Nineteen. Hundreds. But. They.
[97:01]
Guest
Were.
[97:01]
Matt
All.
[97:01]
Duncan
Looted. Like. Heavily. Looted. In. The. Eighteen. Hundreds. And. Early. Nineteen. Hundreds. So. Rockefeller. Comes.
[97:07]
Guest
On.
[97:07]
Matt
The.
[97:07]
Duncan
Scene. Those. Are. All. Gone. But. He. Finds. Out. There's. Someone's. In. Peru. And. History. Records. Him. As. Taking. An. Unexpected. Immediate. Trip. To. Peru. He. Buys.
[97:15]
Matt
Four.
[97:15]
Duncan
Of. These. Things. From. Tello. So. Now. There's. About. Like. Two. Hundred. And. Some. Odd. Grave. Bundles. There. And. He. Gets. To. Cherry. Pick. Four. Or. Five. These. Skulls. Were. Displayed. In. The. Met. And.
[97:29]
Guest
In. The.
[97:29]
Duncan
National. History. Museum. Of. New.
[97:31]
Matt
There.
[97:31]
Duncan
Is. No. Record. There's. No. Photographs. There's. No. Record. Of.
[97:34]
Guest
Their.
[97:34]
Duncan
Measurements. There's.
[97:34]
Matt
No.
[97:35]
Duncan
Drawings. And. He. Repatriated. Them. And. Peruvian. Government. Doesn't. Know. Which. Ones. They. Are. Either. Apparently. They.
[97:40]
Matt
Just.
[97:40]
Duncan
Put. Them. Back. He. Didn't. Fucking. Repatriate. They. Never. Made.
[97:42]
Matt
It.
[97:42]
Duncan
Back.
[97:42]
Matt
To.
[97:42]
Duncan
Peru. They. Just. Got. Sold. To. Somebody. Else. But. There's. Another. Time. Where. In. The. Nineteen. Sixties. Or. Early. Seventies. The. Guy. That. Was. In. Charge. Of. The. Schools. Then. Opened. Sixty. Some. Odd. Bundles. And. Recorded. The. Contents. Of. Six. And. Put. The. Other. Ones. Back.
[97:58]
Guest
On.
[97:58]
Duncan
The. Shelf. Without. Even. Saying. Which. Bundles. And. They. Were.
[98:01]
Matt
And.
[98:01]
Duncan
It's. Like. It's. Some. Of.
[98:03]
Guest
These.
[98:03]
Duncan
Grave. Bundles. That. These. Skulls. Came. In. Like. These. These. Guys. Be. Buried. In. These. Kind. Of. Textile. Bags.
[98:08]
Matt
So.
[98:08]
Duncan
You. Can. Just. Imagine. A. Dude. Opening. Well. That's. That. Skull's. Not. Going. To. Sell. Back. On. The. Shelf. Oh. Holy. That. Skull. Will. Sell. Here. Right. To. Write. Down. The. Contents. Of. This. One. And. It's. So. I. It. Goes. Back. To.
[98:20]
Guest
That.
[98:20]
Duncan
Money. Thing. It's. Like. This. You. Know. That. When. Rockefeller. Paid. Three. Thousand. Dollars. For. That.
[98:25]
Matt
Yeah.
[98:26]
Duncan
Tello. Was. Getting. Three. Hundred. A.
[98:27]
Matt
Year.
[98:27]
Duncan
Year. To. Care.
[98:28]
Guest
For.
[98:29]
Duncan
All. Of. Those. Stuff. He. Just. Gave. Him.
[98:30]
Guest
Ten.
[98:30]
Duncan
Years. Worth.
[98:31]
Matt
Of.
[98:31]
Duncan
Funding. For. Four. Of.
[98:32]
Matt
Them.
[98:32]
Duncan
He's. Like. Take. Them. Right. He. Thought. He. Was. The. Amazing. Benefactor. Because. Again. And. To. Rockefeller. Three. Grand.
[98:39]
Matt
Yeah. Yeah. It's. Funny. When. Luke. Caverns.
[98:43]
Duncan
Was.
[98:43]
Matt
Here. He. Was. Saying.
[98:44]
Duncan
That.
[98:44]
Matt
When.
[98:44]
Guest
He.
[98:44]
Matt
Was. Like. Exploring. Like. South. America. And. Central. America. He. Was. Like. Looking.
[98:49]
Duncan
At.
[98:50]
Matt
These. Kind. Of.
[98:50]
Duncan
Like.
[98:50]
Guest
Ancient.
[98:50]
Matt
Pyramid. Sites. Whatever.
[98:52]
Duncan
And.
[98:52]
Matt
He. Said. A. Couple. Of. Them. Were. Guarded. By. Like. Cartels.
[98:56]
Guest
Like.
[98:56]
Duncan
Armed.
[98:57]
Matt
Cartel.
[98:57]
Duncan
Members.
[98:57]
Matt
Were. There.
[98:58]
Duncan
Like.
[98:58]
Matt
Looting. It. Like. Apparently. Cartels.
[98:59]
Duncan
Make.
[99:00]
Matt
A.
[99:00]
Guest
Ton.
[99:00]
Duncan
Of.
[99:00]
Matt
Money. Off. The. Black.
[99:01]
Duncan
Market.
[99:01]
Matt
Like.
[99:02]
Duncan
I. Bet.
[99:02]
Matt
Looting. These. Ancient. Pyramid. Sites. And. And. Selling.
[99:05]
Duncan
On. The. Black.
[99:05]
Matt
Market.
[99:06]
Duncan
So. Sad. But. I. Totally. Believe. It. You. Know. The. The. Tunnels. That. They. Just. Found. Under. Cusco. You. Remember. Like. Last. Year. They.
[99:13]
Matt
Were.
[99:13]
Duncan
Like. Oh. We.
[99:13]
Matt
Found.
[99:14]
Duncan
This. Big. Network. Of. Tunnels. Over. Under. Cusco.
[99:17]
Matt
I.
[99:17]
Duncan
Don't. Remember. But. Yeah. They're. They. Just. Just. Found. Just. Announced. It. Last. Year. You. Know. Brian. Forrester. Has. Been. Taking. People. On. Tours.
[99:26]
Guest
Of.
[99:26]
Matt
That.
[99:26]
Duncan
For. Ten. Years. There. Was. A. Scientist.
[99:29]
Matt
Oh.
[99:30]
Guest
Really.
[99:31]
Duncan
Scientists. In. The. Early. Two. Thousands. Screaming. About. These. Things. The. Fucking. Guy. Garcilasso. De. La. Vega. Who. Is. The. Son. Of. Inca. High. Priestess. And. A. Spaniard. Conquistador. And. He. Records. Immense. Tunnels. Being. Down. In.
[99:49]
Guest
There.
[99:49]
Duncan
And. They. Were. So. Scary. That.
[99:50]
Guest
Even.
[99:50]
Duncan
The. Bravest.
[99:51]
Guest
Of.
[99:51]
Duncan
Warriors. Were. Afraid. To. To. Go. Into. The. Things. And. Deluded.
[99:56]
Guest
It.
[99:56]
Duncan
Man. They. They. Told. They. Peeled. Every. Goddamn. Thing. Out. Of. There. And. Then. They're. Like. Oh.
[100:00]
Matt
Look.
[100:00]
Duncan
What. We. Found. Come. Pay. Us. Tickets. To. Go. In. There. Now. That.
[100:03]
Matt
There's. Not.
[100:03]
Duncan
A. Stitch. Of. Gold. Left.
[100:04]
Matt
Right.
[100:05]
Duncan
That's. I. Mean. I'm. I'm. There's.
[100:07]
Guest
A.
[100:07]
Matt
Lot. Of.
[100:08]
Duncan
Things. I'm. Not. Very. Skeptical. Of. And. And. Human. Is. One. Of. Them. I. I. Have. No. Problem. Believing. People. Are. Being.
[100:14]
Matt
Right.
[100:15]
Duncan
Trying. To. Do. Whatever. They. Can.
[100:16]
Matt
To.
[100:16]
Duncan
Get. In. Your. Pocket. And. All. That.
[100:17]
Matt
I.
[100:18]
Guest
Want.
[100:18]
Matt
To.
[100:18]
Guest
See.
[100:18]
Matt
What's. Down. Underneath. That. Serap.
[100:19]
Duncan
Or.
[100:20]
Matt
Not. Serapium. But.
[100:21]
Duncan
In.
[100:21]
Matt
That. Labyrinth.
[100:23]
Guest
In.
[100:23]
Matt
Egypt.
[100:24]
Duncan
I. Want. That.
[100:25]
Guest
One.
[100:26]
Duncan
Is. One.
[100:27]
Guest
Of.
[100:27]
Duncan
The. More. Interesting. Ones. Even. Though. The. Scans. Kind. Of. Tainted. It. Right. Now. The. Fact. That. They. Have. Consistently. Said. Oh. Well. You. Know. All. These. Reports. Of. This. Are. Only. Half. Right. They. Only. The. Above. Ground. Riot. Part. True. Below. Ground. Part. That's.
[100:46]
Matt
Who's. Saying. It's.
[100:47]
Duncan
Mainstream. Egyptology. Has. Been. Saying. It. For. Like.
[100:49]
Guest
A.
[100:50]
Duncan
Hundred. Years. I. Think. Sir. Flanders. Petrie. Found. Found. The. The. Site. At. Hawara. And. Ever. Since. Then. They've. Just. Said. That. Just. You.
[100:58]
Matt
Know.
[100:58]
Duncan
That. We. Have. A. Labyrinth. But. It's. Not. The. Underground. One. That. Herodotus. Described. I. Think. It.
[101:02]
Matt
Was. Yeah.
[101:02]
Duncan
Well. It's.
[101:02]
Matt
Crazy. That. We. Have. Like. This. Ancient. Greek. Texts. That. Explain. It. Being. Like. Twice. As. Extravagant.
[101:08]
Duncan
Or.
[101:09]
Matt
Like. Unbelievably. Impossible. Than. The. Actual. Great. Pyramid.
[101:12]
Duncan
Is.
[101:12]
Matt
Myself.
[101:13]
Duncan
Yeah. And. That's. I. Mean. That's. The. Stuff. That. You. Know. Those. Are. The. Mysteries. That. Keep. You. Going. And. Stuff.
[101:20]
Matt
The. Problem. I. Guess.
[101:21]
Duncan
Is.
[101:21]
Matt
Is. It's.
[101:21]
Duncan
All.
[101:22]
Matt
Underwater. Right. It's.
[101:22]
Duncan
Because.
[101:23]
Matt
You.
[101:23]
Duncan
Can't.
[101:23]
Matt
Explore. Because. It's. Underwater.
[101:24]
Duncan
Yeah. There's. I. Think. The. Water. Table. Would. It. We. Don't.
[101:27]
Guest
Know.
[101:27]
Duncan
Where.
[101:27]
Matt
It.
[101:27]
Guest
Is.
[101:27]
Duncan
Exactly. Right. How. Deep. It. Is. But. It's. A. Safe. Assumption. A. Water. Table. Would. Be. Sucking. Up. A. Big. Big. Chunk. Of. It. A. Lot. Of. It. Again. I. Mean. Goose. Lead. To. Golden. Egg. People. Go. There. And. Visit. And.
[101:39]
Matt
Go.
[101:39]
Guest
I.
[101:39]
Matt
Wonder.
[101:39]
Guest
If.
[101:40]
Duncan
I. Could. Find.
[101:40]
Matt
A. Way.
[101:40]
Duncan
To. Get. Down. Into.
[101:41]
Matt
The.
[101:41]
Duncan
Ground.
[101:41]
Matt
Over.
[101:41]
Duncan
Here.
[101:42]
Matt
As.
[101:42]
Duncan
Opposed. To. Spending. Twenty. Bucks. On. A. Ticket.
[101:44]
Matt
I.
[101:44]
Duncan
Mean.
[101:44]
Matt
Imagine.
[101:45]
Duncan
How. Much. More.
[101:45]
Matt
Money.
[101:45]
Guest
They.
[101:45]
Duncan
Can.
[101:45]
Matt
Make. If. They. Freaking. Excavated. Sucked.
[101:47]
Duncan
All. The.
[101:47]
Matt
Water.
[101:47]
Guest
Out. Of.
[101:48]
Matt
It. And.
[101:48]
Duncan
Like.
[101:48]
Matt
Let. People. Go. Down. In. There.
[101:50]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. You. Would. But. Imagine.
[101:51]
Matt
How.
[101:52]
Duncan
Much. They'll. Lose. If. People. Look. Around. And. If. They. Really. Look. Hard. And. Find. Nothing. If. They. Spend. Millions. Of. Dollars. And. Find. Jack. And. Not. Only. Do. You. Lose. The. Millions. Of. Dollars. But. You. Kind. Of. Kill.
[102:03]
Matt
The.
[102:03]
Duncan
Mystery. And. That's. I. Mean. I. Think. That's. A.
[102:05]
Matt
Big.
[102:06]
Guest
Part.
[102:06]
Duncan
Of. It. Is. You. Really. You. Know. This. This. Whole. Stuff. In. My. Mind. Is. Fun. That. When. You've.
[102:11]
Guest
Got.
[102:12]
Duncan
One.
[102:12]
Matt
Foot.
[102:12]
Duncan
Firmly. Into. What. We.
[102:13]
Matt
Know.
[102:13]
Duncan
And. One. Foot. Firmly. Out. Of. What. We.
[102:15]
Guest
Know.
[102:15]
Duncan
And. You're. Just. Kind. Of. Standing. In. That. Twilight. Zone. Where. It's. Just. Like. Where. Are. We. What's. What's.
[102:19]
Matt
Going.
[102:20]
Duncan
On. Here. And. They. You. Know. You. Kill.
[102:21]
Guest
That.
[102:21]
Duncan
Mystery. You. Tell. Me. Where. My. Second. Foot's. Landed. And. Now. It's. Just. I'm. Just. Taking. A. Walk. This. Is. Boring. But. So. I. I. You. Know. I. Could. Be. Wrong. About. This. But. That's. Honestly. I.
[102:31]
Matt
Think.
[102:31]
Duncan
A.
[102:31]
Matt
Lot.
[102:31]
Duncan
Of. The. I.
[102:32]
Matt
Don't.
[102:32]
Duncan
Think. That. There's. Some. Big. Top. Down. Conspiracy. In.
[102:35]
Guest
Almost.
[102:35]
Duncan
Any. Situation. I. I. Almost. Always. Think. It's. Just. People. Being. People. And. We. Just. All. Tend. Like. Like. We. Were. Saying. Earlier. With. The. Social. Media. You. Get. Twice. As.
[102:44]
Guest
Many.
[102:44]
Duncan
Clicks. Ripping. The. Country. In. Half. So. You. Don't.
[102:46]
Guest
Need.
[102:46]
Duncan
A. Conspiracy. To. Tear. The. Country. Apart. You. Just. Turn. On. YouTube. Let. Us. Let. Us. All. Go. At. Each. Other. We'll.
[102:53]
Matt
All.
[102:54]
Duncan
Be. Sasquatch. Taints. By. The. Day's. End.
[102:56]
Matt
Didn't. Ben. Say. There.
[102:57]
Guest
Was.
[102:57]
Matt
Like. A. Like. A. Giant. Metal. Object.
[103:01]
Duncan
Or.
[103:01]
Matt
Something. Inside. That. Labyrinth.
[103:03]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. Supposed. To. Be. That's. I. Believe. Their. Scans. Said. The. Same. Thing. But. Yeah. Again.
[103:10]
Matt
I.
[103:10]
Duncan
Can't.
[103:10]
Matt
Really.
[103:11]
Duncan
Trust. The. Scans. Anymore.
[103:12]
Matt
Because.
[103:12]
Duncan
I. Ain't. Digging. Nowhere. So. Yeah. Those. Are. Getting. Old. Man.
[103:15]
Matt
Do. We. Know. Do.
[103:16]
Duncan
You.
[103:16]
Matt
Remember. When. Those.
[103:17]
Duncan
Scans.
[103:17]
Matt
Were. Done. And. Like. Who.
[103:19]
Duncan
Those. The. Filippo. Beyond. These. Scans.
[103:22]
Matt
That.
[103:22]
Guest
Was.
[103:22]
Matt
A. Filippo. Biondi.
[103:23]
Duncan
Scan.
[103:23]
Guest
That.
[103:23]
Matt
Said. There.
[103:24]
Guest
Was.
[103:24]
Matt
A. Freaking. Metal. Object. Down.
[103:25]
Duncan
There. That's. That's. The. Problem.
[103:26]
Matt
With.
[103:27]
Duncan
Like.
[103:27]
Matt
I.
[103:27]
Duncan
Was. Saying. That's. Can.
[103:28]
Matt
You. Find. That. Steve.
[103:29]
Duncan
I'm. Pretty. Sure. Certain. That. It. Was.
[103:30]
Matt
Scans. That. Show. Giant. Metal. Object. Inside. The.
[103:34]
Guest
Egyptian.
[103:34]
Matt
Labyrinth.
[103:36]
Duncan
Yeah. I'm. Almost. Certain. It. Was. Those. Synthetic. Aperture. Radar. Scans.
[103:40]
Matt
I. Didn't.
[103:40]
Duncan
Know. That.
[103:40]
Matt
They. Scanned. The. Labyrinth.
[103:42]
Duncan
Well.
[103:42]
Matt
That's.
[103:42]
Duncan
Interesting. That's.
[103:43]
Matt
The.
[103:43]
Duncan
Thing. Is. They. Don't.
[103:44]
Matt
Have.
[103:44]
Duncan
To. This. This. Is. What's. Funny. They.
[103:45]
Matt
Don't.
[103:45]
Guest
Have.
[103:46]
Matt
To.
[103:46]
Duncan
Scan. Anything.
[103:46]
Matt
All.
[103:47]
Duncan
They.
[103:47]
Guest
Do.
[103:47]
Duncan
Is. Buy. Data. They. Just. Go. To. The. Satellite. Companies. That. Have. Already. Scanned. It. Years. Ago. And.
[103:52]
Matt
Say.
[103:52]
Duncan
Can. I. Buy. This. That's.
[103:53]
Matt
Why.
[103:53]
Duncan
I. Was. Saying. It's. Completely. Completely. It. This. Is.
[103:57]
Matt
The.
[103:57]
Duncan
Kind.
[103:57]
Guest
Of.
[103:57]
Duncan
Thing. Not. Only. Is. It. Completely. Unobtrusive. But. It's. Also. The. Kind. Of.
[104:00]
Guest
Thing.
[104:00]
Duncan
That. Scares. The. Out.
[104:01]
Matt
Of.
[104:01]
Duncan
Governments. Because. You. Could. Shoot. All. The. Satellites. Out. Of. The.
[104:03]
Matt
Sky.
[104:03]
Duncan
And. It. Would. Be. It. Doesn't. Matter. We've. Already. Got. The. Data. It's. It's. It's. Already. We've. Been. Flying. Satellites.
[104:10]
Matt
Around.
[104:10]
Duncan
The. Planet. For. Hundreds. Of.
[104:11]
Guest
Years.
[104:12]
Duncan
Yeah. See. Yep.
[104:14]
Matt
Merlin. Burroughs. Scans. Too.
[104:17]
Duncan
Oh. Oh. Maybe. Not.
[104:20]
Matt
Can.
[104:20]
Duncan
You.
[104:20]
Matt
Zoom.
[104:20]
Guest
In. A.
[104:20]
Duncan
Little. Bit.
[104:21]
Matt
Bit. After. Grasping. The. True. Magnitude.
[104:26]
Duncan
Of.
[104:26]
Matt
Tim. Acres. Satellite. Scans. A. Quiet. Urgency. Set. In. We. Knew. The. Implications. Stretched.
[104:31]
Duncan
Far.
[104:31]
Matt
Beyond. Academic. Uproar. Fearing. Not. Only. The. Backlash. From. The. Establishment. But. Wider. Dangers. Such.
[104:36]
Duncan
As.
[104:36]
Matt
Revelations. That. Might. Trigger. Disturbing. Interests. Well. Outside. The. Bounds.
[104:40]
Duncan
Of.
[104:40]
Matt
Archaeology. Our. Research. Team. Made.
[104:42]
Duncan
A.
[104:42]
Matt
Crucial. Decision. One. Born. Of. Caution. To. Keep. The. Findings. Secret. We. Chose. Not.
[104:47]
Guest
To.
[104:47]
Matt
Share. Any.
[104:48]
Guest
Of.
[104:48]
Matt
The. Scan. Data. Outside.
[104:49]
Duncan
Our.
[104:49]
Matt
Closed. Circle. Implementing. A. Strict. Non. Disclosure. Agreement. For. Anyone. Granted. Access. To. The. Images. This. Wasn't. Out. Of. A. Desire. To. Hoard. Information. But. Rather.
[104:57]
Duncan
To.
[104:58]
Matt
Protect. The. Feasibility. Of. Our. Main. Goal. To. Carry. Out. A. New. Expedition. On. Egyptian. Soil. Right. So.
[105:04]
Duncan
If.
[105:04]
Matt
You. Wanted. To. Get. If. You. Wanted. To. Justify. Excavating. This. Thing. The. Last. Thing. You. Want. To.
[105:10]
Guest
Do.
[105:10]
Matt
Is.
[105:10]
Duncan
Say.
[105:10]
Matt
We. Found. A. Ufo.
[105:11]
Guest
Down.
[105:11]
Matt
There. Because. They're.
[105:11]
Duncan
Never. Going. To.
[105:11]
Matt
Let. You.
[105:12]
Duncan
Do. It.
[105:12]
Matt
So. Keep. That.
[105:13]
Guest
A.
[105:13]
Matt
Secret.
[105:13]
Duncan
Yeah. Can.
[105:14]
Matt
You.
[105:14]
Duncan
Keep.
[105:15]
Matt
Scrolling. We. Learned. From. Past. Experience. Namely. The. Release. Of. Our. Scans. Associated. With. Doctor. Carmen. Bolter. And. Clouse. Donna. And. Especially. My. Own. Matcha. Expedition. Scans. Of. Two. Thousand. Eight. That. Making. Loud. Public. Claims. Only. Led. To. Temporary. Media. Attention. Followed. By. Lasting. Obstacle.
[105:34]
Guest
That.
[105:34]
Matt
Is. So. True. That. Makes. So. Much. Sense. Keeping.
[105:38]
Duncan
A.
[105:38]
Matt
Low. Profile. Rather. Than. Triggering. A. Short. Lived. Storm.
[105:41]
Guest
Of.
[105:41]
Matt
Speculation. Regulation. Would.
[105:43]
Duncan
Get.
[105:43]
Matt
Us. Much. Further. Releasing. The. Scans. Too.
[105:46]
Guest
Early.
[105:46]
Matt
Would. Risk. Blowing. Our. Cover. With. Figures. Like. Zahi. Hawass.
[105:50]
Guest
And.
[105:50]
Matt
The. Ministry. Of. Antiquities. Potentially. Landing. Us. In.
[105:53]
Guest
The.
[105:53]
Matt
Infamous. Blacklist. That. Barred.
[105:55]
Duncan
The.
[105:55]
Matt
Independent. Researcher. Graham. Graham. Hancock. I. Myself. Have. Been. Placed.
[105:59]
Guest
On.
[105:59]
Matt
The. Blacklist. Once. Before. Back. In.
[106:01]
Guest
Two.
[106:01]
Matt
Thousand. Eight. After. Presenting. My. Match. Expedition. Results. During. The. Lecture. At.
[106:05]
Duncan
The.
[106:05]
Matt
Ghent. University. Hawass. Interpreted.
[106:06]
Duncan
This.
[106:07]
Matt
As.
[106:07]
Duncan
A.
[106:07]
Matt
Breach.
[106:07]
Guest
Of.
[106:07]
Matt
National. Security.
[106:08]
Duncan
Protocol.
[106:09]
Matt
Implant. Simply. For. Publicly. Sharing.
[106:11]
Guest
Our.
[106:11]
Matt
Geophysical. Results. I. Was. Determined. Not.
[106:14]
Duncan
To.
[106:14]
Matt
Repeat. That. Experience. The. Egyptian. Prison. Was. Not. The. Type.
[106:19]
Duncan
Of.
[106:19]
Matt
Labyrinth. I. Wanted.
[106:20]
Duncan
To.
[106:20]
Matt
Be.
[106:20]
Duncan
Lost.
[106:21]
Matt
In. So. We. Chose. Silence.
[106:23]
Guest
Over.
[106:23]
Matt
Spectacle. Well. That's. Smart. To. Do. It. That. Way. I. I. Completely. Agree. With. This. Guy. He's. Doing. It.
[106:28]
Duncan
The.
[106:28]
Matt
Correct. Way.
[106:28]
Guest
Which.
[106:28]
Matt
Is. The. Opposite.
[106:29]
Guest
Of. How.
[106:29]
Matt
Filippo. Biondi.
[106:30]
Guest
Did.
[106:30]
Duncan
It. Yes.
[106:32]
Matt
But. Where. Does. It.
[106:33]
Guest
Talk.
[106:33]
Matt
About. The. Metal.
[106:34]
Duncan
Optics.
[106:35]
Matt
Object. Okay. Dippy. That's.
[106:42]
Guest
What.
[106:43]
Duncan
It. Was.
[106:43]
Matt
Dippy. Okay.
[106:45]
Duncan
All.
[106:45]
Matt
Layers. Converge.
[106:46]
Duncan
At.
[106:46]
Matt
The. Central. Corridor. Or. Avenue. He. Added. Like.
[106:49]
Guest
An. Atrium.
[106:50]
Duncan
Of.
[106:50]
Matt
A. Shopping. Mall. Where.
[106:51]
Duncan
You. Can.
[106:51]
Matt
See. All. Floors. From. One. Vantage. Point. A. Hall. Consisting. Of. A. Massive. Space. Forty. Meters. Wide. And. No. Less. Than. One. Hundred. Meters. Long.
[107:00]
Duncan
My.
[107:00]
Guest
Personal.
[107:01]
Matt
Interpretation. Tim. Said.
[107:02]
Duncan
Is.
[107:03]
Matt
That.
[107:03]
Guest
The.
[107:03]
Matt
Entire. Hall. Was. Constructed. To. House. A. Central. Positioned. Freestanding. Object. Forty. Meters. Long. The. Central. Object. Is. Hard. To. Classify.
[107:15]
Guest
It.
[107:15]
Matt
Appears. Metallic. Not. Stone. Or.
[107:17]
Guest
Wood.
[107:17]
Matt
I. Named. It. Dippy. After. The. Giant. Diplodocus. Skeleton. In. The. Hall.
[107:22]
Duncan
Of.
[107:22]
Matt
London. Yeah.
[107:23]
Guest
Like.
[107:23]
Matt
That's. A. Great. That's.
[107:24]
Guest
A.
[107:24]
Duncan
Great.
[107:24]
Matt
Image. In. The. National. History. Museum. It.
[107:26]
Duncan
Could.
[107:26]
Guest
Be.
[107:26]
Matt
Anything. Its. Shape. Resembles. Those. Tic. Tac. Hard. Mints. It. Might. Also.
[107:31]
Guest
Be.
[107:32]
Matt
An. Upright. Disc.
[107:33]
Duncan
Or.
[107:34]
Matt
Even. A. Colossal. Shin. Ring. The. Ancient. Egyptian. Symbol. Representing. The. Eternal. Cycle. Of. Creation. The. Object. Alone. Raises. Profound. Questions. On. How. Did. It. Get. There. And. Why. Is. It. There.
[107:47]
Duncan
I'm. Glad. That. It's. Not. The. Same. Scans. Because. That. That's.
[107:49]
Matt
Yeah. It's. Not. Beyond. Who. Is. This. Guy.
[107:55]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Remember.
[107:56]
Guest
When.
[107:56]
Duncan
This. Image. Was. Making. The. Rounds. I. Just. Assumed. That. It. Was. Another. One.
[107:58]
Guest
Of.
[107:58]
Duncan
The. S. Things. And.
[108:00]
Matt
So. That. Is. Supposed. To. Be. A. Depiction. Of. The. Labyrinth. Brenth.
[108:05]
Duncan
Yeah. It.
[108:06]
Matt
Doesn't. Look. Like.
[108:06]
Guest
Much.
[108:07]
Matt
It.
[108:07]
Duncan
Just. Looks. Like. A. Couple. Scan.
[108:08]
Guest
Right.
[108:10]
Duncan
No. It. Doesn't. Yeah. You. Can. See. Why. The. The. Beyond. Day. Scans. Are. Getting. More. Attention. For.
[108:16]
Matt
Sure.
[108:16]
Guest
But.
[108:17]
Matt
Yeah.
[108:17]
Duncan
I. Mean.
[108:18]
Matt
Well.
[108:18]
Guest
This.
[108:18]
Matt
Doesn't.
[108:19]
Guest
Look.
[108:19]
Matt
Like. It's.
[108:19]
Duncan
Done. Up.
[108:19]
Matt
With. AI.
[108:20]
Guest
It.
[108:20]
Matt
Looks.
[108:20]
Guest
Like.
[108:20]
Matt
They. Just. Colorized. It.
[108:21]
Duncan
To.
[108:21]
Matt
Show. Like. Depths.
[108:22]
Duncan
And.
[108:23]
Matt
Stuff.
[108:23]
Duncan
Like.
[108:23]
Matt
That. Right.
[108:24]
Duncan
Yeah. It's. Pretty. It's.
[108:26]
Guest
Amazing.
[108:26]
Duncan
Times. We. Live.
[108:27]
Guest
In.
[108:27]
Duncan
When. It. Comes. To. That. Stuff. Where. They. Are. You. Know. What. If. You. Can. Imagine. How. A. Guy. That. Was. A. Treasure. Hunter. Felt. In. The. Seventies. When. The. Metal. Detectors. Got. Dropped. Onto.
[108:36]
Matt
The.
[108:36]
Duncan
Scene. And. It's. Like.
[108:37]
Matt
All.
[108:37]
Duncan
Of. A. Sudden. You. Can. Look. Under. The. Ground. And. It's. Like. Well. We're. Finding. Things. Now.
[108:41]
Guest
Right.
[108:42]
Duncan
But. That. White. Noise. I. Mean. Again. I. Fell. For. It. I. Thought.
[108:47]
Matt
That.
[108:48]
Guest
Was.
[108:48]
Duncan
Just. Another. One. Of. The. Similar. Scans. We've. Been. Getting. Tons. Of. Lately. Second. Sphinx. And. There's. A. Thing. Big. Old. Tunnels. Under. The. Pyramids. Oh. Yeah.
[108:58]
Matt
And.
[108:58]
Duncan
There's. A. Maze. Too. Is. What. It. Seemed. Like. To. Me. So. That's. You. Know. Just. From. Personal. Experience. It. Kind. Of. Seems. Like. That. Whole. Like. I. Was. Saying. Earlier.
[109:06]
Matt
About.
[109:06]
Duncan
Hiding. A. Needle. In. A. Stack. Of. Needles. You. Just. Make. Up. As. Much. Bullshit. As. You. Can. And. Then. You.
[109:10]
Matt
Just.
[109:10]
Duncan
Throw. Whatever. You. Want. Out. There. And.
[109:12]
Matt
It.
[109:12]
Duncan
Just. Gets.
[109:12]
Guest
Lost.
[109:12]
Duncan
In. The. Shuffle.
[109:13]
Matt
So. This. Debate.
[109:14]
Guest
That.
[109:14]
Matt
You. Did. Yesterday. With. Matt. What. Was. The.
[109:17]
Duncan
What.
[109:17]
Matt
Was. The. Subject. Of.
[109:18]
Guest
It.
[109:18]
Matt
And.
[109:18]
Duncan
Like.
[109:19]
Guest
What.
[109:19]
Matt
Was. The. Conclusion.
[109:20]
Duncan
Oh. Well. It. Was. With. Neil. Sendlak. From. Gnostic. And. Informant. And. It. Was. About. The. Age. Of. The. Pyramids. And. Basically. Like. Basically. It. Was. About. Whether. Or. Not. The. Mainstreams. Got. It. Has. Got. It. Right. Or. Not. And. Like. The. Tweet. That. Really. Got. Me. To. Like. Be. Like.
[109:40]
Matt
All.
[109:40]
Duncan
Right. I'll. Go. Ahead. And. Challenge. I'll. Go. Ahead.
[109:42]
Guest
And.
[109:43]
Duncan
Accept. A. Challenge. With. This. Guy. Is. When. He. Said. That. Basically. People. Like. Myself. And. Graham. Hancock. And. Jimmy. Corsetti. Don't. Know. Anything. Don't. Even. Don't. Have. A. Wikipedia.
[109:56]
Matt
One.
[109:56]
Duncan
Hundred. And. One. Level.
[109:57]
Guest
Of.
[109:57]
Duncan
Knowledge.
[109:57]
Matt
On.
[109:57]
Duncan
This. Stuff. And. So. That's. You. Know. He. Came. In. Thinking. That. I. Was. Going. To. Be. Holding. Up. A. Twelve. Thousand. Year. Old. Pyramid. Or. Whatever. Ten.
[110:07]
Matt
Thousand.
[110:07]
Duncan
Year. Old. Pyramid. And. Then. Like. I.
[110:10]
Matt
Was.
[110:10]
Duncan
Saying. Earlier. Two. Hundred. Fifty. Years. Difference. I. Think. That. Sneferu. Stole. A. Dynasty. In. There. That. Stuff's. A. You. Know. He. Said. All. This. In. My. Videos. Before. But. You. Know. He. Kind. Of. Came. Like. Trying. To. Prove. Something. That. Was. Like. Yeah. I. Agree. Coffre. Was.
[110:25]
Matt
There.
[110:25]
Duncan
I. Yep. Coffee. Built.
[110:27]
Guest
Him.
[110:27]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Got. No. Problem. With. That. It's. Like. There. Was. We. We. Argued. About. A.
[110:31]
Guest
Few.
[110:32]
Duncan
Things. But. By. And. Large. What. We. Ended. Up. Arguing. About.
[110:34]
Matt
Basically.
[110:35]
Guest
The.
[110:35]
Duncan
Age.
[110:35]
Guest
Of.
[110:35]
Duncan
The.
[110:35]
Matt
Pyramids.
[110:36]
Duncan
Basically. The. Age. Of.
[110:36]
Guest
The.
[110:36]
Duncan
Pyramids. Well. The.
[110:38]
Guest
Thing.
[110:38]
Matt
About. Like. The. Mortar. Couldn't. That. Mortar.
[110:40]
Duncan
Have. Been.
[110:41]
Matt
Added. Later. As. Like. A. Restorative. Project.
[110:43]
Duncan
Yeah. That's. I.
[110:44]
Guest
Mean.
[110:45]
Duncan
Anywhere. Where. It's. Accessible. They. Went. Out. Of. Their. Way.
[110:47]
Matt
To.
[110:47]
Duncan
Try.
[110:47]
Guest
To.
[110:47]
Duncan
Get. Things. That. Are. Inaccessible. But. If. You. Can. Get. A. Tool. In. To. Extract. It. You. Could. Get. A.
[110:51]
Guest
Tool.
[110:51]
Duncan
In. To. To.
[110:52]
Matt
Put. It. There. Exactly. That. Was.
[110:54]
Duncan
One.
[110:54]
Guest
Of.
[110:54]
Matt
The. Things.
[110:54]
Duncan
With.
[110:55]
Matt
One.
[110:55]
Guest
Of.
[110:55]
Matt
The. Other. Pyramids. There. Was.
[110:56]
Duncan
A.
[110:56]
Matt
Piece.
[110:56]
Guest
Of.
[110:56]
Matt
Wood. That. Was. In. One.
[110:58]
Guest
Of.
[110:58]
Duncan
The.
[110:58]
Matt
Other. Pyramids. That. They. Dated. To. Way. Earlier. Too. And.
[111:01]
Guest
It.
[111:01]
Matt
Looked. Like. That. Wood. Was. There. To. Just. Like. Prop. Something. Up.
[111:04]
Duncan
Or.
[111:04]
Matt
Like. To.
[111:05]
Guest
It.
[111:05]
Matt
Would.
[111:05]
Duncan
It.
[111:05]
Matt
Looked.
[111:06]
Duncan
Like. It.
[111:06]
Matt
Was. Definitely.
[111:07]
Guest
Added.
[111:07]
Matt
Way. Later.
[111:08]
Duncan
Yeah. And. Even. This. They. There. Was. The. Wood. Rod. In. The. Great. Pyramid. Like. There. There's. A. Three. Artifacts. That. Were. Found.
[111:14]
Guest
In.
[111:14]
Duncan
The. Great. Pyramid. That. Were. Like. In. The. Queen's. Chamber. Behind. The. Wall. When. A. Dude. Busted. The. Rock. And. Found. I. Forget. His. Name. But. Guys. Saw. That. There. Was. One. Of. Those. Star. Shafts. And. He. Assumed. There. Would. Be. Another. One. And. Back. Then. You. Didn't. Have. A. Zahi. Wah. So. People. Just.
[111:27]
Matt
Went.
[111:27]
Duncan
Around. With. Hammers.
[111:28]
Matt
Gatonbrink. The. Gatlinbrink.
[111:29]
Duncan
Door. No. But. It. Might. Be. The. Gatlinbrink. Door. No.
[111:33]
Matt
I.
[111:33]
Duncan
Don't. Think. It. Is. A. Gatlinbrink. Door. It's. One. Of. Those. It's. Similar. To. It. Though. But. It. Had. A. Stone. Ball. A. Metal. Hook. And. A. Wood. Rod. In. It. And. The. Wood. Rod. Went. Went. Vanished. For. A. Little. While. And. Then. When. It. Turned. Back. Up. They. Carbon. Dated. It. And. It. Was. A. Couple. Hundred.
[111:52]
Matt
Years.
[111:52]
Duncan
Older. Than. The. Pyramid's. Supposed. To. Be. Like. Everything. Else. And. You. Know. They. Try. To. Say. The. Old. Wood. Hypothesis. I. Should. Should. Preface. That. With. These. Guys.
[112:01]
Guest
When.
[112:01]
Duncan
They. Talk. About. That. They. Say. I. Think. It. Was. Old.
[112:03]
Guest
Wood.
[112:03]
Duncan
That's. Where. Neil. Was. At. Yesterday.
[112:05]
Matt
Old.
[112:05]
Duncan
Wood. Makes. Sense. We. This. This. Isn't. Contemporary. With. This. Room. We. All. Have. Chairs.
[112:09]
Guest
At.
[112:09]
Duncan
Home.
[112:10]
Matt
That.
[112:10]
Duncan
Are. Twenty. Years. Older. Than.
[112:11]
Matt
We.
[112:11]
Duncan
Are.
[112:11]
Matt
But.
[112:12]
Duncan
Okay. That's. A. Fair. Point. To. A. Degree. We. Don't. Have. This. Problem. Again. In. The. First. Dynasty. In. The. Sixth. Dynasty. And. It's. Just. In.
[112:19]
Matt
That.
[112:19]
Duncan
One. Little. Spot. And. In. Addition. To. That. When. It. Comes. To. The. Written. Records. We. Know. That. Egypt. Was. Importing. Shitloads. Of. Wood. From. Lebanon. At. That. Point. So. If. There's. Ever. A. Time. In. History. When. We. Shouldn't. See. It. In. Egypt. It. Should. Be. Then. Because. There. Was. No. Shortage. Of. Wood. Coming. It. The. The. Dating. The. That. Two. Hundred. And. Fifty. Years. Dating. Thing. Is. Is. Yeah. I. Like. To. Really. Hammer. At. That. One. Because. It. Really. Does. Prove. That. These. Guys. Aren't. Practicing. Science. They're. They're. They're. Playing. A. Game. Over. There.
[112:50]
Matt
What.
[112:50]
Duncan
Do.
[112:50]
Matt
They. Think. That. The. Function. Did.
[112:51]
Guest
They.
[112:51]
Matt
Think.
[112:51]
Duncan
The.
[112:52]
Matt
Pyramid. Was. A. Tomb.
[112:53]
Duncan
Yep. That. Was.
[112:53]
Guest
A.
[112:53]
Duncan
Big. Part. Of. What. We. Were. Talking. About. He. Thinks. There. Were.
[112:55]
Guest
Just.
[112:55]
Duncan
Tombs.
[112:56]
Guest
And.
[112:56]
Duncan
Tombs. Alone. I. Think. It. Was. Part. Of. Like. A. Resurrectionary. Thing.
[113:00]
Matt
You.
[113:00]
Duncan
Know. The. Egyptians. Had. It's.
[113:01]
Guest
Like.
[113:02]
Duncan
Twelve. Gates. Or. Sixteen. I. Forget. Forget. How. Many. Depends. On. The. Dynasty. Too. But. They. Believe. That. You. Would. Go.
[113:07]
Guest
Through.
[113:07]
Duncan
This. All. These. Different. Stations. Of. The. Afterlife. One.
[113:10]
Guest
Of.
[113:10]
Duncan
Them. Was. The. Weighing. Of. The. Heart. Against. A. Feather. You've. Probably. Seen. That. One. Where. They. Thoth. Weighs. The. Your. Heart. Against. A. Feather. And.
[113:18]
Matt
Yeah.
[113:18]
Duncan
Okay. That's. One. Of. These. Gates. So. I. Think. They. Emulated. These. On. The. Ground. And. I. Think. That's. Why. Orion. You. Know. The. Orion. Giza. Correlation. That. Orion. And. The. Three. Pyramids. Are. Okay. Orion. Was. Osiris. Who. Was. The. God. Of. The. Passage. Of. The. Underworld. So. It. Makes. Sense. They. Would. Try. To. Invoke. Him. There. I. Don't.
[113:39]
Guest
Think.
[113:40]
Duncan
That. Any. One. King. Was. Laid. To. Rest. In. That. Pyramid. For. Longer. Than. A. Set. Amount. Of. Ceremonial. Time. Before. They. Were. Brought. To. Another. One. And. Brought. To. Another. One. Which. Is.
[113:51]
Matt
Why.
[113:51]
Duncan
We. Don't. In. The. Big. Ones. Which. Is. Why. We. Don't. Find. Bodies. In. The. Big. Ones. Ever. Because. They. Were. Never. Left. There. That's. Why. The. Portcullis. Doors. In.
[113:58]
Guest
The.
[113:58]
Duncan
Great. Pyramid. History. For. Granted. Did. A. Great. Video. Showing. How. They. Were. It. Was. Made. To. Be. Opened. And. Closed. Repeatedly. Not. Just. Dropped. Once. And. Never. Opened. Again. And. I. Don't. Make. Any. Sense. Unless.
[114:09]
Matt
You.
[114:09]
Duncan
Plan. On. Going. Back. So. I. Think. That. I. Think. They. Actually. Emulated. Those. Gates. On. The. Earth. When. The. King. Died. When. The. Pharaoh. Died.
[114:17]
Matt
And. I.
[114:17]
Duncan
Think. That's. What. The. Pyramids.
[114:18]
Guest
Are.
[114:18]
Duncan
For. But. I've. Got.
[114:20]
Guest
A.
[114:20]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Goofy. Theories. Like. That. That.
[114:21]
Matt
Are.
[114:22]
Duncan
Kind.
[114:22]
Guest
Of.
[114:22]
Duncan
More. Mundane. But. Still. Still. Fall. Foul. Of. Egyptology. I. Guess. You. Could.
[114:28]
Guest
Say.
[114:30]
Duncan
Like. I. Think. The. Sphinx. For. Example. Was. You. Know. The. Ben. Ben. Stone. And.
[114:35]
Matt
The.
[114:36]
Duncan
Egyptian. Creation. Myth. Was. This. Primordial. Mound. That. Came. Through. The. Water. And. So. Like. The. First. Stone. That. Comes. Out. Of.
[114:43]
Guest
The.
[114:43]
Duncan
Water. Well. You. Go. Back. To. The. Green. Sahara. Period. Like. Ten. Thousand. Twelve. Thousand. Years.
[114:47]
Matt
Ago.
[114:48]
Duncan
The. Sphinx. Before. It. Was. Carved. Was. Just. An. Outcrop. Of. Rock. That. Faced. Due. East. Caught.
[114:53]
Guest
The.
[114:54]
Duncan
Rising. Sun.
[114:55]
Matt
And.
[114:55]
Duncan
It. Had. Water. That. Was. Like. Between. A. Foot. And. Two. Feet. All. Around. It. So. I. Think. It. Was. Their. Primordial. Mound. It. Was. Connecting. Water. And. Sky. And. Like. By. Its. Straight. Alignment. And.
[115:09]
Matt
I.
[115:09]
Duncan
Think. That's. Why. They. Dug. The. The. Bottom. Of. It.
[115:12]
Matt
Out.
[115:12]
Duncan
Wasn't. To. Facilitate. Carving. Paws. And. Stuff.
[115:14]
Matt
It.
[115:14]
Duncan
Was. To. Continually. Bring. In. Water. Continually. Collect. Water. Even. As. The. Sahara. Started. To. Drop. Dry. Up. It.
[115:21]
Guest
Was.
[115:21]
Duncan
A. Ceremonial. Place. And. It. Got. Recarved. Numerous. Times. In. My. Opinion. And. Eventually. To. What. We. See. Now.
[115:27]
Matt
But.
[115:27]
Duncan
When. It. Fell. Into. Disuse. It. Was. In. My. Opinion. Because. They. Couldn't. Get. Water. Into. It. Anymore. So. It. Failed. As. A. Ceremonial. Center. It. No. Longer. Did. Its. Job. And. So. The. Next. Guys. Come. Back. A. Couple. Centuries. Later. They. Clear. All. The. Sands. Build. Their. Little. Dream. Still. In. Front. Of. It. And. Now. They.
[115:43]
Matt
Know.
[115:43]
Duncan
The. Sphinx. But.
[115:44]
Guest
I.
[115:44]
Duncan
Don't. Think. That. Those. Guys.
[115:45]
Guest
Knew.
[115:45]
Duncan
The. Sphinx. Sphinx. At. All. I. Think. They.
[115:46]
Matt
Were.
[115:47]
Duncan
Completely.
[115:47]
Matt
In.
[115:47]
Duncan
The. Dark. As. To. What.
[115:48]
Guest
It.
[115:48]
Duncan
Was. Really. About.
[115:51]
Matt
Yeah. To.
[115:51]
Guest
Me.
[115:51]
Matt
It. Just. Seems. Like.
[115:53]
Duncan
It.
[115:54]
Matt
Seems. Like. The. Way. That. It's. Constructed. And. With. The. Different. Types. Of. Stone. And. Just. The. Way.
[116:00]
Guest
The.
[116:00]
Matt
Granite. Is. Laid.
[116:01]
Guest
Out.
[116:01]
Duncan
Like.
[116:01]
Guest
In.
[116:01]
Matt
The.
[116:02]
Guest
King's.
[116:02]
Matt
Chamber. Specifically. Above. The. King's. Chamber. With.
[116:04]
Duncan
Those.
[116:04]
Matt
Layers.
[116:05]
Duncan
Of.
[116:05]
Matt
Granite. How.
[116:05]
Duncan
The.
[116:06]
Matt
Tops.
[116:06]
Duncan
Are.
[116:06]
Matt
Perfect. And. The. Bottoms.
[116:07]
Duncan
Are.
[116:07]
Matt
Rough. And. The. Shafts. That. Don't.
[116:10]
Guest
Even.
[116:10]
Matt
Go. Outside. There's. Like. Literally. Pieces. Of. Limestone. Blocking. The. Shaft. Drafts. That. Also. Connect. Out. Potentially. Could. Connect. Outside. To. These. Pits. It. Just. It. Seems. Like. It. Was. A. There. It. Was. There. For. To. Do. A. Function.
[116:25]
Duncan
I. I. Agree. It. Does. And. As. A. Matter. Of. Fact. I. Mean. Like. I. I.
[116:31]
Guest
Don't.
[116:31]
Duncan
Have. A. Problem. With. With. Jeffrey's. Ideas. And. Stuff. We. We. Talked. And. Stuff. I. Get. Along.
[116:35]
Guest
With.
[116:35]
Duncan
The. Guy. Well. But. I. Think. You.
[116:39]
Guest
Know.
[116:39]
Duncan
The.
[116:39]
Matt
Old.
[116:39]
Duncan
Idea. That. Well. They'll.
[116:41]
Guest
Sing.
[116:41]
Duncan
Your. Songs. Around. The. Campfire. Forever. Right. It's. Like. The. Immortality. In. The. Minds. Of. A. Lot. Of. People. Is. Contingent. On. Being. Remembered. On.
[116:50]
Matt
The.
[116:50]
Duncan
Earth. And. What. Pyramid. What. What. Egyptian. Ruler. Gets.
[116:55]
Guest
His.
[116:55]
Duncan
Name. Said. More. Than. Khufu. Nobody. And. So. What. Better. Way. To. Facilitate.
[117:01]
Matt
That.
[117:01]
Duncan
By. Than. Build. This. Big. Old. Fucking. Mystery. Machine. And. So. Again. This. Is. This. Is. My. Opinion. And. I. Know. A.
[117:08]
Guest
Lot.
[117:08]
Duncan
Of. People. Don't. Share. It. But. I. I. Kind. Of. Occam's. Razor. It. I. Don't. And. I'm. Not. Saying. They. Didn't. Again. I. Think.
[117:13]
Guest
If.
[117:13]
Duncan
We. Watched. Them. Build. It. We'd.
[117:14]
Matt
Be.
[117:14]
Duncan
Blown.
[117:14]
Guest
Away.
[117:16]
Duncan
But. I. Don't. I. Have.
[117:18]
Guest
A.
[117:18]
Duncan
More. Mundane. Reasoning. For. It.
[117:20]
Matt
I.
[117:20]
Duncan
Don't. Just. Say. It's. Just. Spirituality. I've. Got. A. I. Got. It. Fleshed.
[117:24]
Matt
Out.
[117:24]
Duncan
And.
[117:24]
Guest
It.
[117:24]
Duncan
Can. Explain. Why. I. Think. What. I. Do. But. These. Are. The. Kind. Of. Things. That.
[117:28]
Matt
Yeah. They. They. Definitely.
[117:29]
Duncan
They.
[117:29]
Matt
Didn't.
[117:30]
Duncan
Think.
[117:30]
Matt
The. Way.
[117:30]
Guest
We.
[117:30]
Matt
Think.
[117:31]
Duncan
Oh. No.
[117:31]
Matt
Not.
[117:32]
Duncan
At.
[117:32]
Matt
All. Right. Like. Our. Brains. Are. Not.
[117:34]
Duncan
Even.
[117:34]
Matt
Living.
[117:34]
Guest
In.
[117:34]
Matt
The. Same. Context. That. Theirs. Were.
[117:36]
Duncan
No. You. You. See. That. A.
[117:38]
Matt
Lot.
[117:38]
Duncan
With. The. Ancients. When.
[117:39]
Guest
They.
[117:39]
Duncan
Talk. About. Nature. And. Stuff. And. They. Use. These. Natural. Metaphors. You're. Like. I'm. So. Far. Removed. From. That. I. Don't. Even. Know. What.
[117:45]
Matt
The.
[117:45]
Duncan
Hell.
[117:45]
Matt
He's.
[117:45]
Duncan
Talking.
[117:45]
Matt
About.
[117:46]
Duncan
I. Was. A. Boy. Scout.
[117:48]
Matt
Right. Right.
[117:49]
Duncan
And.
[117:49]
Matt
Who. Knows. Also. Like.
[117:50]
Duncan
What. Kind.
[117:50]
Matt
Of. Drugs. They. Were. Taking. That. Were. Showing. Them. Like. Quantum. Layers. Of. The. Universe. That.
[117:55]
Guest
Were.
[117:55]
Matt
Teaching. Them. How. To. Like.
[117:56]
Duncan
Who.
[117:57]
Matt
Know. You. Know.
[117:57]
Duncan
Who.
[117:57]
Matt
Knows. We.
[117:58]
Duncan
Have.
[117:58]
Matt
No. Clue.
[117:59]
Duncan
And. You're.
[118:00]
Guest
Going.
[118:00]
Duncan
To. Have. People. Right. Now. Going.
[118:01]
Matt
Oh. You.
[118:01]
Duncan
Take. Drugs.
[118:02]
Guest
At.
[118:02]
Duncan
Universal. I. Forget. The. Dude's. Name. The. Guy. That. Sequenced. The. DNA. They. Could. First. Figured. Out. Human. Genome. He. Was. On. Acid. When.
[118:09]
Guest
He.
[118:09]
Duncan
Would. Figured. It. Out.
[118:10]
Guest
Yeah.
[118:11]
Duncan
And. A. Great. One. That. I. Like.
[118:13]
Matt
To.
[118:13]
Duncan
Talk. About. Is.
[118:13]
Matt
That. Carrie. Mullis.
[118:15]
Duncan
I'm.
[118:16]
Matt
Not. I.
[118:16]
Guest
Can't.
[118:17]
Duncan
Remember. The. Name.
[118:17]
Matt
He. Won. A. Nobel. Prize.
[118:19]
Duncan
That. Probably.
[118:19]
Guest
Is.
[118:19]
Matt
For. This. Guy. We. Might. Not. Be.
[118:23]
Guest
Talking.
[118:23]
Matt
About. Same.
[118:23]
Duncan
One.
[118:23]
Guest
But.
[118:23]
Matt
Carrie. Moss. Won.
[118:24]
Duncan
A.
[118:24]
Matt
Prize. For. No. He. Carrie.
[118:26]
Duncan
Mulls.
[118:27]
Matt
He. Created. The. Pcr. Test. No. You're.
[118:30]
Duncan
Thinking.
[118:30]
Matt
Of.
[118:30]
Duncan
Different.
[118:30]
Matt
People.
[118:31]
Duncan
Well. You. Know. Like. Fractals. Were. Were. Hippie. For.
[118:34]
Matt
The.
[118:34]
Duncan
Longest. Time. That. Was. Just. Man. Fractals. Dude. Check.
[118:37]
Matt
It.
[118:37]
Duncan
Out. And. Then. Some. Dudes. Like. Makes. A. Cell. Phone. Antenna. Out. Of. Fractals. And. It's.
[118:43]
Guest
Like.
[118:44]
Duncan
Way. Better. Than. Anything. Else. And. All. Of. A. Sudden. It's. Like. Not. Only. Does. It. Change. The.
[118:48]
Guest
Way.
[118:48]
Duncan
You. Look. At. Fractals. It's. Like. All. This. Talk. Of. Sacred. Ge. Geometry. That. They. Just. Knee. Jerk. At. It's. Like.
[118:53]
Matt
Well.
[118:53]
Duncan
A. Shape. Can. Be. Magic. Can't.
[118:56]
Matt
It.
[118:56]
Duncan
Maybe. Maybe. We. Should. And. Like. To. Go. To. The. Drugs. When. They're.
[119:00]
Matt
Like.
[119:00]
Duncan
Oh. Graham. Hancock. Eats.
[119:03]
Matt
A.
[119:03]
Duncan
Bunch. Of. Drugs.
[119:03]
Guest
And.
[119:03]
Matt
Blah.
[119:03]
Duncan
Blah.
[119:04]
Guest
Blah.
[119:04]
Duncan
Blah. Blah. And.
[119:04]
Matt
What.
[119:04]
Duncan
Does. He. Know. It's. Like. Okay. The. People. That. Built. That. Pyramid. Over. There. That. Designed. It. And. Especially. In. Like. In. South. America. Were. They. On. Ayahuasca. Okay. So. If. I'm. Trying. To. Interpret. What. They. Were. About. And. I. Don't. Do. Ayahuasca. You. Can.
[119:20]
Guest
Have.
[119:20]
Duncan
A. Hell.
[119:20]
Guest
Of.
[119:20]
Duncan
A. Time. Understanding. Chiching. Chong. If. You. Don't. Smoke. Weed. Buddy.
[119:23]
Matt
Dude. Have.
[119:23]
Duncan
You.
[119:24]
Matt
Seen. This. There. Is. A.
[119:26]
Duncan
A.
[119:26]
Matt
Vessel. That. Was. Taken. From. Ancient. Egypt. And. It's. In.
[119:30]
Duncan
The.
[119:30]
Matt
University. Of. Tampa. And. It's. Called. The. Cup. Of. Bess. And. They. Just. Analyzed. It. About. Two. Years. Ago. And. They. Found.
[119:41]
Duncan
All.
[119:41]
Matt
Kinds.
[119:42]
Guest
Of.
[119:42]
Matt
Crazy. In. This. Cup. It. Was. Like. Human. Bodily. Fluids. Like. Vaginal. Fluids. Water. Like. A. Egyptian. Here. It. Is. Show. Us. The. Description. Okay. Here. You. Go. Drinking. Vessel. In.
[119:59]
Duncan
The.
[119:59]
Matt
Shape. Of. The. Cup. Of. In.
[120:01]
Duncan
The.
[120:01]
Matt
Shape.
[120:01]
Duncan
Of.
[120:01]
Matt
Bess.
[120:05]
Guest
Where.
[120:05]
Duncan
Is.
[120:06]
Matt
Where.
[120:06]
Duncan
Does.
[120:06]
Matt
It. Say. Like. It.
[120:07]
Duncan
Was.
[120:08]
Matt
From. And. The. Description. Of. It. And. All. That. So.
[120:10]
Duncan
They.
[120:10]
Matt
Analyze. Go. Up. They. Analyze. The. Proteins. And. Metabolites. Using. Genetic. Genetic. Tech. Or. Yeah. Genetic. Techniques. And. A. Syn. Synchrotron. Radiation. Based. Fourier. Transformed. Infrared. Micro. Spectroscopy.
[120:26]
Duncan
The.
[120:26]
Matt
Authors. Found. That. The. Mug. Contained. Residues. Of. Psychotropic. Substances. That. Included. Paganum. Harmala. Known. As. The. Harmel. And. Rising. Syrian. Rue. Nymphia. Narrative. Blue. Water. Lily. And. They. Also. Found. Evidence.
[120:46]
Duncan
Of.
[120:46]
Matt
Human. Blood. Bodily. Fluids.
[120:48]
Duncan
Such. As.
[120:48]
Matt
Oral. Or. Vaginal. Mucus. And. Breast.
[120:50]
Duncan
Milk. In.
[120:52]
Matt
This. Egyptian. Mug. You. Know. We. Got. No. Idea.
[120:56]
Duncan
What.
[120:56]
Matt
Kind.
[120:56]
Guest
Of.
[120:57]
Matt
These.
[120:57]
Duncan
People.
[120:57]
Matt
Were. Consuming.
[120:58]
Duncan
Bro. Yeah. No. We. Don't. And.
[121:00]
Matt
So. Six. The. Vessel.
[121:02]
Guest
In.
[121:02]
Duncan
The.
[121:02]
Matt
Shape.
[121:02]
Duncan
Of.
[121:02]
Matt
Best. Played. An. Important. Part. In. The. Cult. All.
[121:05]
Duncan
The.
[121:05]
Guest
Way.
[121:05]
Matt
From. The. Sixteenth. Century. Bc. To.
[121:08]
Guest
The.
[121:09]
Duncan
Fifth.
[121:09]
Matt
Century. Ce.
[121:13]
Duncan
Do.
[121:14]
Matt
They.
[121:14]
Guest
Say.
[121:14]
Matt
When. This. Mug. Was. They.
[121:16]
Guest
Can't.
[121:16]
Matt
Carbon. Date. It. Right.
[121:17]
Duncan
So. They're. Saying. That. This. Particular. Example. Dates. To. The.
[121:20]
Matt
Right.
[121:21]
Duncan
Third. Century. Bc. You. Know. They. They. Probably. Could. Maybe. They. Could. Date. The. Fluids.
[121:25]
Matt
In.
[121:26]
Duncan
There.
[121:27]
Matt
Yeah.
[121:27]
Duncan
Maybe. Vaginal. Fluid. Smells.
[121:29]
Matt
Like. Yeah. Were. They.
[121:29]
Duncan
Able. To.
[121:29]
Matt
Date. Any. Of. That. Crap. When's. The. Ptolemic. Roman. Period.
[121:36]
Duncan
That's. The. Ptolemaic. Period. Is. The. The. Greek. Occupation. And.
[121:41]
Matt
The.
[121:41]
Duncan
Roman. Periods. The. Roman. Occupation.
[121:43]
Matt
Scholars. Have. Speculated. That. They. May.
[121:45]
Guest
Have.
[121:45]
Matt
Been.
[121:45]
Guest
Used.
[121:45]
Matt
To. Hold. Holy. Water. Wine. Beer. And. That. Cult. Members. Drunk. From. Them. But. The. Residue. Of. Their. Contents. Has. Rarely. Been. Studied. Until. Now. And. We. Know. For. A.
[121:58]
Guest
Fact.
[121:58]
Matt
That. There's. There. Was. Like. Ancient. Rights. And. Rituals. Going. On.
[122:02]
Guest
In.
[122:02]
Matt
Like. Ancient. Greek. And. Greece.
[122:03]
Duncan
And.
[122:03]
Matt
Rome. Where. They. Were. Consuming.
[122:05]
Duncan
All.
[122:05]
Matt
Kinds.
[122:05]
Duncan
Of.
[122:05]
Matt
Crazy. Stuff. Like. Ergot. Laced. Wine.
[122:08]
Duncan
And.
[122:08]
Matt
Beer. And. Stuff. Like. That. And. You. Know. That. Could.
[122:13]
Duncan
Be. Where. Like.
[122:14]
Matt
All. This.
[122:14]
Duncan
Biblical.
[122:15]
Matt
Came. From. People. Just. Tripping. Their.
[122:16]
Duncan
Balls. Off. That. Very. Well. Could.
[122:18]
Guest
Be.
[122:19]
Duncan
Very. Well. Could. Be. I. Mean.
[122:20]
Matt
They.
[122:20]
Duncan
They. Even. Ate. Mummies. Back. Then. Like. Up. Until. Not. Too. Long. Ago.
[122:24]
Guest
They.
[122:24]
Duncan
Would. The. A. Good. Chunk. Of. The. Mummies. That. Were. In. The. Record. Are. Completely. Gone.
[122:29]
Matt
And.
[122:29]
Duncan
Were. Eating. Hundreds. Of. Of. Years. Ago.
[122:32]
Matt
We. Know.
[122:33]
Guest
They. Were.
[122:33]
Duncan
Eating.
[122:33]
Guest
The.
[122:33]
Matt
Mummies.
[122:34]
Duncan
They. Were. Eating.
[122:35]
Matt
Like.
[122:35]
Duncan
As. Far. Back. As. I.
[122:36]
Guest
Think. The.
[122:36]
Duncan
Twelfth. Century.
[122:37]
Guest
Oh.
[122:37]
Duncan
My. God. So. Like. Yeah. Eleventh. Through. Eighteenth. Century.
[122:43]
Matt
Medical. Cannibalism.
[122:45]
Duncan
Yeah. See. From.
[122:46]
Matt
The. Eleventh. Through. The. Eighteenth. Centuries. Europeans. Practice. Medical. Cannibalism. Consuming. Ground. Up. Okay. They. Ground. It. Up. At. Least. Egyptian. Mummies. Maybe. They. Made. Tea. Out. Of. It.
[122:55]
Duncan
Or.
[122:55]
Matt
Something.
[122:55]
Duncan
After. They. Ice. Translated. To. Cocaine. Yeah.
[123:00]
Matt
They. Believed. That. They. Contained. Mystical. Healing. Powers. Yeah. They.
[123:07]
Guest
Were.
[123:07]
Matt
Doing. All. Kinds. Of.
[123:08]
Duncan
Up. Back. Then. Bro. Crazy. And. So. Yeah.
[123:10]
Matt
They.
[123:11]
Guest
Were.
[123:11]
Matt
Doing. Vivisections.
[123:13]
Duncan
C. Brain. Surgeries. All. Kinds.
[123:15]
Matt
On. Prisoners.
[123:16]
Duncan
To.
[123:16]
Matt
Figure.
[123:17]
Duncan
Out.
[123:17]
Matt
How. The. Human. Body. Worked.
[123:18]
Duncan
Yeah. Oh. Yeah. This. Yeah. You. You. Didn't. Want. To.
[123:21]
Matt
Get.
[123:21]
Duncan
In. Trouble. In. Egypt. Like. I. Was. Saying. About. That. Misconception. Cut. On.
[123:23]
Matt
The.
[123:24]
Duncan
On. That. Big. Block. You. Want. That's.
[123:26]
Matt
The.
[123:26]
Duncan
Kind. Of.
[123:26]
Guest
Thing.
[123:26]
Duncan
You. Don't. Want. To. Get. In. In. Trouble. Doing. Man. You. Didn't. Just. Cut. Your. Head. Off. In. These. Place. Right.
[123:31]
Matt
Yeah.
[123:31]
Duncan
Yeah. You're. Gonna. Suffer. Which. Is.
[123:35]
Guest
You.
[123:35]
Duncan
Know. It's. An. Unfortunate. Reality. That's.
[123:37]
Matt
All.
[123:37]
Duncan
The. Way. Up. Until. Recent. Times. You. Know. It's. A. Funny.
[123:39]
Matt
Thing.
[123:39]
Duncan
I. Like. To. Muse. About. Is. The. Way. That. They. Think. That. Genetics. Have.
[123:43]
Matt
A.
[123:43]
Duncan
Memory. Kind. Of.
[123:43]
Guest
A.
[123:43]
Duncan
Genetic.
[123:44]
Matt
Memory.
[123:45]
Duncan
How. Many. Generations. Did. The. The. Powers. That. Be. Be. Just. Fucking. Annihilate. People. When. They. Fell. Afoul. Of. The.
[123:53]
Matt
Law.
[123:53]
Duncan
It.
[123:54]
Matt
Would.
[123:54]
Duncan
Put. You. On. The. Wheel. And. Just. Bust. You. To. Shit. Or. Scaphism. Or. All. Kinds. Of. Crazy. Shit. And. Then. Nowadays. It's. Like. People. Are. Scared. To. Death. To. Go. To. Jail. Even. Though. They're. Just. Going. To. Give. Me. Food. And. Put. Me. In.
[124:04]
Matt
A.
[124:04]
Duncan
Room. It's. Like. The. Same. Like. This. Primal. Fear. Of. Falling. Afoul. Of. The. Authority. I. Just. Wonder. If. Some. Of. That. Doesn't. Come. From. I. Almost. Wonder. If. They. Didn't. Know. What. They. Were. Doing. To. A. Degree. I'm. Not. Saying. They. Understood. DNA. DNA. But. Understood. How. To. You. Know. Husbandry. Right.
[124:20]
Matt
How.
[124:21]
Duncan
To. Breed. Something. In. The. Right. Direction.
[124:23]
Matt
Yeah. Yeah. It's.
[124:24]
Duncan
It's.
[124:25]
Matt
Insane. The. History.
[124:26]
Guest
And.
[124:27]
Matt
And. Maybe.
[124:28]
Guest
One.
[124:28]
Matt
Day. We'll. Be.
[124:28]
Duncan
Able.
[124:28]
Guest
To.
[124:28]
Duncan
Develop.
[124:29]
Matt
Like. A. Time. Machine. We. Go.
[124:30]
Guest
Back.
[124:30]
Matt
In. Time.
[124:30]
Duncan
And.
[124:30]
Matt
Watch.
[124:30]
Duncan
How. The.
[124:31]
Matt
Pyramids. Are.
[124:31]
Duncan
Built. Go. Go. Check. It. Out. In. The. Vatican. Archives. They.
[124:34]
Matt
Got.
[124:34]
Guest
The.
[124:34]
Duncan
Little. Magic. Mirror. They. Say. You. Just.
[124:36]
Matt
Watch.
[124:37]
Duncan
A.
[124:37]
Matt
Magic.
[124:37]
Duncan
Mirror. It's. Like. A. Magic. Supposed. Supposedly. Like.
[124:39]
Matt
A.
[124:40]
Duncan
Time. Machine.
[124:40]
Guest
You.
[124:40]
Duncan
Can. Just. Watch. In. The. Vatican. Archives. Some. Dude.
[124:42]
Matt
Really.
[124:43]
Duncan
Yeah. I.
[124:43]
Matt
Haven't. Heard. This. One.
[124:44]
Duncan
Yeah. I've. Sure. That. It's. But. I. Mean. Didn't. You.
[124:47]
Matt
Do. Something.
[124:47]
Guest
On.
[124:47]
Matt
The. On. The. Ark. Of. The. Covenant.
[124:49]
Duncan
Yeah. I've. Talked. About. It.
[124:50]
Guest
A.
[124:51]
Duncan
Little. Bit. Yeah. It's. The. Ark. Of.
[124:52]
Matt
The.
[124:53]
Duncan
Covenant. Is. Interesting. It's. You. Know. I. Mean. I. Don't. Think. That. It. Generated. Electricity. But. I. Don't. Know.
[124:59]
Guest
What.
[124:59]
Duncan
Wall. Was. Inside. Of. It. On. The. Flip. Side. It. Is. Really. Interesting. You. Know. As. Graham. Hancock. Points. Out. Moses. Goes. Up. To. Get. The. Ten. Commandments. He.
[125:10]
Guest
Goes.
[125:10]
Duncan
Up. Mount. Sinai. And.
[125:11]
Matt
He.
[125:11]
Duncan
Comes. Down. And. The. History. Or. The. Bible. Says. He. Was. Angry. Because. Everybody. Was. Worshiping.
[125:18]
Guest
A.
[125:18]
Duncan
Golden. Calf. So. He. Broke. The. Stones. On. The. Ground. But. He.
[125:21]
Guest
Goes.
[125:21]
Duncan
Up. Again. And. Meets. God. And. Comes. Back. Down. Again. With. These. Tablets. And. This. Time. His. Face. Shown. And. He. Had. To. Be. Cover. It. Up. Like. His. Face. Was. Glowing. Light. And. Didn't. Happen. The. First. Time. He. Met. God. So. That's.
[125:32]
Matt
A.
[125:32]
Duncan
Little. As. Graham. Hancock. Points. Out. In. Fingerprints. Of. The. Gods. It's. Interesting. It's. Almost. Like. Maybe. He. Was. Finding. Something. That. You. Know. Was. Radioactive.
[125:41]
Guest
Or.
[125:41]
Duncan
Who. Knows. What. Something.
[125:42]
Guest
That.
[125:42]
Duncan
Was. Goofy. But. So. The. Ark. Of. The. Covenant. Could. Have. All. Kinds.
[125:48]
Matt
Of.
[125:49]
Duncan
Different. Things. That. It. Could. Have. Been. But. In. All. Honesty. I. Think. It. Was. More. Than. Anything. Else. I. Think.
[125:54]
Matt
It.
[125:54]
Duncan
Was. Just. Something. That. People. That. Moses. Copied. From. The. Egyptians. Now. What. The. Egyptians. Had. Going. On.
[126:01]
Guest
With.
[126:01]
Duncan
Arks. Is. I. Would. Give. Them.
[126:03]
Matt
A.
[126:03]
Duncan
Lot. More. Credence. Than. I. Would. Would. Moses. But.
[126:06]
Matt
Moses. Was. Most. People. Most. Like. Scholars. Like. Historical. Classicists. And. Scholars. On. This. Don't. Even.
[126:13]
Duncan
Think.
[126:14]
Matt
Moses. Was.
[126:14]
Duncan
A.
[126:14]
Matt
Real.
[126:14]
Duncan
Person. He's. Like. A. A. Cult. Leader. Or. Excuse. Me. Like. A. I.
[126:19]
Guest
Think.
[126:19]
Matt
He. Was.
[126:20]
Guest
Like.
[126:20]
Duncan
A.
[126:20]
Matt
Made.
[126:20]
Duncan
Up. Character. Yeah. Like. A. Like. A. John. From. Is. To. The. To. The. Cargo. Cults. John. From. I'm. John. From.
[126:30]
Matt
Right.
[126:31]
Duncan
Oh. John. From. Where.
[126:32]
Matt
Right. From. Mexico. Exactly. Exactly.
[126:35]
Duncan
Yeah. And. I. Mean. I. Would.
[126:37]
Matt
I.
[126:37]
Duncan
Would. Agree. With. That.
[126:38]
Guest
But.
[126:39]
Duncan
There.
[126:39]
Guest
Was.
[126:39]
Duncan
Definitely.
[126:39]
Guest
A. Lot.
[126:39]
Duncan
Of. Iconography. A.
[126:40]
Guest
Lot.
[126:40]
Duncan
Of. Stuff. That. That. I. Mean. The. Ark. Is. An. Egyptian. Idea. There's. Arcs. All. Over. Just. The. Ark. Of. Horus. It's. Much. Cooler. Looking. Than. The. Ark. On. Indiana. Jones. If. You. Ask. Me.
[126:49]
Matt
Really.
[126:50]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah.
[126:51]
Matt
The.
[126:51]
Duncan
Ark.
[126:51]
Matt
Of. Horus.
[126:51]
Duncan
The. Ark.
[126:52]
Guest
Of.
[126:52]
Duncan
Horus. Yeah. I.
[126:53]
Matt
Haven't. Seen.
[126:53]
Duncan
That. I'm. Sure. Steve. Will. Find. It. He's. He's. He's. Pretty. Ninja. Like. But. Yeah. The. Egyptians. Had. A.
[126:59]
Matt
Bunch.
[126:59]
Duncan
Of. Arcs. It. Wasn't.
[127:04]
Matt
That's.
[127:04]
Duncan
Cool. See. Like. I. Say. Way. Cooler. Than. The. Regular. Arc. Of. The. Covenant. In. My. Opinion.
[127:09]
Matt
Oh. Wow.
[127:12]
Duncan
But. Like. They. Think. These. Were. Made. To. Emulate. Like. The. Solar. Barks.
[127:17]
Matt
Yeah. It's. Possible. These. People. Believed.
[127:19]
Guest
In.
[127:19]
Matt
Magic.
[127:19]
Duncan
Yeah. Just. A. Little.
[127:23]
Guest
Just.
[127:23]
Matt
Another.
[127:23]
Duncan
Thing. Is. Those.
[127:24]
Matt
Doorways. Too. Like. A.
[127:25]
Duncan
Lot. Of. Those.
[127:25]
Matt
Doorways. That. Are. Everywhere. All. Over. The.
[127:28]
Duncan
Ancient.
[127:28]
Matt
World. These.
[127:29]
Duncan
Like.
[127:29]
Matt
Stone. They. Like. Like. They.
[127:31]
Guest
Look.
[127:31]
Matt
Like. They. Remind. Me.
[127:32]
Guest
Of.
[127:32]
Duncan
Like.
[127:32]
Matt
The.
[127:32]
Duncan
Portals.
[127:33]
Matt
In. Minecraft.
[127:34]
Duncan
You.
[127:34]
Matt
Know.
[127:34]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Know. It. It's. A. Weird. Thing. Because. On. The. One. Hand. It's. Like. You. Know. None. Of. The. Stargate. Talk. Seems. To. Have. Chopped. Jumped. Up. Around. The. Pyramids. And. Stuff. Until. Stargate. The. Movie. Coming. Out. Which. Is. A. Little. A. Little. Bit. Of. A. Red. Flag. In. My. Mind. But. At. The. Same. Time. It's. Like. All.
[127:51]
Guest
Of.
[127:51]
Duncan
These. Things. That. Are. Why.
[127:52]
Guest
Would.
[127:52]
Duncan
You. Carve. These. Fake. Doors. This. Is. A. Lot. Of. Work. I. I. Think. That's.
[127:55]
Matt
One.
[127:55]
Duncan
Thing. They. Really. Discount.
[127:56]
Matt
It.
[127:57]
Duncan
Gets. Discounted. A.
[127:57]
Matt
Lot.
[127:57]
Duncan
By. Academics. Is. Just. How. Hard. It. Is.
[128:00]
Matt
To.
[128:00]
Duncan
Make. A. Lot. Of. These. Things. And. So. You. Make. A. Three. Fake. Doors. For. Example. That's. You.
[128:05]
Guest
Know.
[128:05]
Duncan
That's. Weeks. Of. Work. Hundreds. And. Thousands. Potentially.
[128:08]
Guest
Even.
[128:08]
Duncan
Of. Man. Hours. Go. Into. That. And. So. You. Would. Think. There's. Probably. Some. Sort. Of. A. Reason.
[128:13]
Matt
Yeah. But.
[128:13]
Duncan
I.
[128:14]
Matt
Guess. Like. If. Your. Belief. Was. Strong. Enough. And.
[128:16]
Duncan
They.
[128:16]
Matt
These. Guys. These. People. Really. Did. Did. Believe. In. This. These. Like. Cosmic. Powers. Or. These. God. Omnipotent. Gods. Who. Can.
[128:24]
Duncan
Literally.
[128:24]
Matt
Control.
[128:25]
Duncan
The.
[128:25]
Matt
Weather. And. Control. Whether. You. Live. Or. Die. I. Can. Imagine. That. They. Would. Go. To. You. Know. The. Feat. Of. Crafting. Something. Over. Twenty. Years. Like. That. If. They. Really. Believe. That. You. Know.
[128:37]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Have. No. Problem. With. That.
[128:38]
Matt
It's. Not. That. Crazy.
[128:39]
Duncan
No. It's. Not. That. Crazy.
[128:40]
Matt
At.
[128:40]
Duncan
All.
[128:41]
Matt
It. Doesn't.
[128:41]
Duncan
Have.
[128:41]
Matt
To. Be. It. Doesn't. Have.
[128:42]
Duncan
You. Don't.
[128:43]
Matt
We.
[128:43]
Duncan
Don't.
[128:43]
Matt
I. Don't. Think.
[128:44]
Guest
We.
[128:44]
Matt
Have. To. Distill. Everything.
[128:46]
Guest
That.
[128:46]
Matt
We. See. Back. Then. To. A. Like. Materialistic.
[128:51]
Guest
View.
[128:52]
Duncan
No.
[128:52]
Matt
Because. Right. Now. Everything. We. Do. And. We. Put. Time. And. Money. Into. Materialist. Things. Now. I. Don't. Think. It's. Reasonable.
[128:59]
Duncan
To.
[128:59]
Matt
Say.
[128:59]
Duncan
That.
[129:00]
Matt
They. Only. Did. That.
[129:00]
Duncan
Back.
[129:00]
Matt
Then.
[129:01]
Duncan
I. Agree. I. Think. That. On. The. Flip. Side. Of. That. We. Have. A.
[129:07]
Matt
Lot.
[129:07]
Duncan
Of.
[129:08]
Guest
How.
[129:09]
Duncan
Do. You. Put. It. A. Lot. Of. Ideas. Around. These. Things.
[129:11]
Matt
It's.
[129:11]
Guest
Extreme.
[129:12]
Duncan
Always. They're. Always. Esoteric. They're. Spiritual. We. Find. Writings. We. Wonder.
[129:18]
Guest
What.
[129:18]
Duncan
What. Is. What. Is. The. Great. Meaning. And. Now. If. You. Look. Around. This. Room. And. You. See. The. Writings. Of. What. There. Was.
[129:23]
Guest
A.
[129:24]
Duncan
Great. Meeting. Advertising. Advertising. Advertising. Advertising. Advertising. So. It. Doesn't. Stand. To. Reason. That. Some.
[129:32]
Matt
Of.
[129:32]
Duncan
These. Inscriptions. That. We're. Like. Man. I. Wonder.
[129:34]
Matt
What.
[129:34]
Duncan
Gods.
[129:34]
Guest
That.
[129:34]
Matt
Were.
[129:34]
Duncan
Talking. About. Was. Just. Eat. At. Joe's. You. Know. It's. Just. Just. I. I. Think. A. Lot. I. Think. A.
[129:40]
Matt
Lot.
[129:40]
Duncan
Of. Times. That. We. We. Put.
[129:42]
Matt
More.
[129:43]
Duncan
Into. It. Than. That. And. And. Then. To. Go. The. Other. Way. If. This. Is. Your. Business. How. You.
[129:47]
Guest
Know.
[129:47]
Duncan
How. Much. Effort. Would. You. Put. Into. Building. It. Twenty. Years. Isn't. Too. Long. Especially. If. It's. A. Going. To. Be. A. Dynasty. Thing. Right. I'm.
[129:52]
Guest
Going.
[129:52]
Duncan
To. Give. This. To. My. Kids. And. Their. Kids. And. Their. Kids. Yeah. Put. A.
[129:55]
Guest
Lot.
[129:55]
Duncan
Of. Effort. Into.
[129:56]
Guest
It.
[129:56]
Duncan
So.
[129:57]
Matt
I.
[129:57]
Duncan
Think. That. I. Think.
[129:58]
Guest
We.
[129:58]
Duncan
Have.
[129:58]
Matt
To.
[129:58]
Duncan
Keep. Kind. Of. Our. Our. Feet. We. The. Ancients. Did. Think. About. Things. A. Lot. Differently. Than. We. Do. But. There's. Also. I'll. I'll. Guarantee. Guarantee. You. That. There. Was. A. Caveman. More. Than.
[130:08]
Guest
One.
[130:08]
Duncan
Caveman. That. Was. Denying. The. Existence. Of. Gods. Fifty. Thousand. Years. Ago. I. Was. There. On. The. Hill. The. Day. Grok. Got. Killed. And.
[130:15]
Guest
There. Was.
[130:16]
Duncan
No. God. There. I'm. Sure. That. This. Has. Been. Being. Said. Forever. And. A. Day. Just. Like. I. Was. Saying. Earlier. There's. Always. People. That. Are. Always. Going. To. Believe. There's. Always. People. That. Are. Going.
[130:26]
Guest
To.
[130:26]
Duncan
Be. Nah. Man.
[130:28]
Matt
Nah.
[130:28]
Duncan
The. Bible. Remembers. Thomas. For. Being. The.
[130:31]
Matt
Doubter.
[130:31]
Duncan
One. Of. Jesus's. Disciples. Disciples. And. When. Jesus. Is. Resurrected. He's. Like. Yeah. I'll. Believe. It. When. He. Puts. His. But. I. Can. Put. My. Fingers. In. His. Hands. And. Stick.
[130:38]
Matt
My.
[130:38]
Duncan
Hand. Into. His. Side. That's.
[130:40]
Guest
And.
[130:41]
Duncan
Then. What.
[130:41]
Matt
The.
[130:41]
Duncan
Spearhole. Was. Supposed. To. Be.
[130:42]
Guest
And.
[130:43]
Duncan
Then. According. To.
[130:44]
Guest
The.
[130:44]
Duncan
Bible. Jesus. Presents. Himself. To. Thomas. And. Here's.
[130:47]
Guest
My.
[130:47]
Duncan
Hands. Here's. My. Side. But. The. Point. Is. Even. Even. One. Of. Jesus's. Twelve. Big. Faith. Head. Disciples. Was. Skeptical. As. And. That's. That's. Kind. Of. Normal. Man. That's. You. Know. Fool. Me. Once. Months. Right.
[131:00]
Matt
Right.
[131:02]
Duncan
So. Anyway. I. Think. That. The. The. Ancient. Mysteries. Are. Something.
[131:05]
Guest
That.
[131:05]
Duncan
It's. Difficult. For. Us. To. To. Suss.
[131:09]
Guest
Because.
[131:09]
Duncan
We. Always. End. Up. That. Pendulum. Swing. It's. Either. This. Or. It's.
[131:13]
Matt
That. Or.
[131:14]
Duncan
You. Know. A. Lot. Of. These. Things. Like. Like. A.
[131:18]
Guest
Lot.
[131:18]
Duncan
Of. People. There's. I'm. Trying. To.
[131:19]
Matt
Think.
[131:19]
Duncan
Of. This. Symbol. Where. They. Argue.
[131:21]
Matt
About.
[131:21]
Duncan
Whether. Or. Not. It's. Oh. It. Gobekli. Tepe. The. Iconography. Whether. Or. Not. Some. Of. These. Represent. Represent. Words. Or. Whether. They're. Just. A. Picture. Of.
[131:28]
Matt
An.
[131:28]
Duncan
Animal. And. It's. Like. Can. It. Be. Both. I. Opened. Up. The. Beginning. Of. This. Book. And. There. Was. The. S. In. The. First. Page. And.
[131:37]
Guest
It.
[131:37]
Duncan
Was.
[131:37]
Matt
All.
[131:37]
Duncan
Artistically. Flourished. To. Look. Like. A. Snake. That's. Not. Uncommon. Right. I. Mean. Right. So. I. I. Think.
[131:44]
Guest
A.
[131:44]
Matt
Lot.
[131:44]
Guest
Of.
[131:44]
Matt
Those.
[131:44]
Duncan
Kinds. Of. Things.
[131:46]
Matt
It.
[131:46]
Duncan
Gets.
[131:46]
Matt
Really.
[131:47]
Duncan
Difficult. If. We. Don't. Know. The. Culture. But. I. Think. A. Lot.
[131:48]
Guest
Of. Those.
[131:49]
Duncan
Kinds.
[131:49]
Guest
Of.
[131:49]
Duncan
Things. We. Really. Need. To. Look. At. From.
[131:50]
Matt
As.
[131:50]
Duncan
Many. Different. Perspectives. Perspectives. As. Possible. That's. Why.
[131:53]
Guest
I.
[131:53]
Duncan
Think. You. Know. Archaeoastronomy. Is. A. Field. I. Imagine. Where. They. And. I. Think. That's. A. Really. Important. One. That's. Heavily. Overlooked. By. Not. Just. Archaeologists. But. By. People. In. General. Because. It. Seems. Weird. But. It. Seems. Backwards. And. Ultimately. I. Would. Be. Slow. To. Hang. My. Hat. On.
[132:14]
Guest
Most.
[132:14]
Duncan
Archaeoastronomy. Theories. And. Stuff. I'll.
[132:16]
Guest
Be.
[132:16]
Duncan
Slow. To. Say. That's.
[132:17]
Guest
One.
[132:17]
Duncan
Hundred. But. What. They. Offer. Is.
[132:19]
Guest
A.
[132:19]
Duncan
Totally. Different. Potential. Potential. Answer. It's. It's. Completely. Out.
[132:24]
Matt
Of.
[132:25]
Duncan
Left. Field. And. In. All. Honesty. When. It. Comes. To. Things. That. The. Ancients. Were. Concerned. With.
[132:29]
Matt
Be.
[132:29]
Duncan
Sex. Food. Stars. Life. And. Death. I. Mean. What. Did. You. Do. After. Your. Day. Was. Done. You. Watched. The. Heavens. And. Then. You. Find. Out. That. The. Stars. Stars. Change. The. Earth. Changes. And. Then. You. End. Up. With. With. Your. First. Generation. Of. Guys. That. Don't. Do. Anything. For. Work. They. Just. Sit. Up. On. Top. Of. The. Hill. And. The. Astronomer. I'm. Not. Going. To. Tell. Anybody. I. Only. Have. To. Look. One. Day.
[132:51]
Guest
A.
[132:51]
Duncan
Week. They. Don't. Need. To. Know. That. And. Teach. My. Kid. That. But. Send. Those. Chicks. Up. Here. Send. Some. Food.
[132:57]
Guest
And.
[132:57]
Duncan
This. This. Extrapolates. All. The. Way. Into.
[132:59]
Matt
The.
[132:59]
Duncan
Modern. Day. I. Think. That. That's. The.
[133:00]
Guest
Reason.
[133:00]
Duncan
That. People. Believe. In.
[133:01]
Guest
The.
[133:01]
Duncan
Horoscope. Is. That. Same. Fundamental. Belief. That. Grok. Can.
[133:05]
Guest
Tell.
[133:05]
Duncan
The. Future. Because. He. Was. Looking. At. The. Stars. And. He. Knows. He. Told. Us. When. The. Herds.
[133:09]
Matt
Were.
[133:09]
Guest
Going.
[133:09]
Duncan
To. Come. Back. And. He. Was. Right. He.
[133:11]
Matt
Told.
[133:11]
Duncan
Us. When. To. Plant. And. He. Was.
[133:12]
Guest
Right.
[133:13]
Duncan
And. So. I. Think. That. People. Like. One. Size. Fits. All. Rules.
[133:17]
Matt
Yeah.
[133:18]
Duncan
They. Really. Like. So. So. You.
[133:19]
Guest
Can. Tell.
[133:20]
Duncan
The. Future. By. The. Stars. Let's. Go. But. It's. Sad. But. What. Do. You. Do.
[133:26]
Matt
Yeah.
[133:26]
Duncan
People. Are. People.
[133:27]
Matt
Yes. They. Are. Totally. Hold.
[133:29]
Guest
That.
[133:29]
Matt
Thought.
[133:29]
Duncan
I.
[133:29]
Matt
Got. To.
[133:29]
Duncan
Get.
[133:29]
Matt
A. Be. Real. Quick.
[133:30]
Guest
Oh.
[133:30]
Matt
Yeah.
[133:30]
Duncan
Absolutely.
[133:30]
Matt
We'll.
[133:30]
Duncan
Be.
[133:30]
Guest
Right.
[133:31]
Matt
Back. What.
[133:32]
Duncan
We.
[133:32]
Matt
Were. Saying. About. Like. Some.
[133:34]
Guest
Of.
[133:34]
Duncan
These. Ancient.
[133:34]
Matt
Texts.
[133:35]
Duncan
And.
[133:35]
Matt
Stuff.
[133:35]
Duncan
And.
[133:35]
Matt
Like.
[133:35]
Duncan
Using.
[133:36]
Matt
It. To. To. Like. Verify. Claims. Of. Archaeology. And. Archeology. Working. With. Texts. To.
[133:42]
Duncan
Sort.
[133:42]
Matt
Of.
[133:42]
Duncan
Corrupt.
[133:42]
Matt
I. Think. It's. Important. That. Like. You. Have. These. Different. Disciplines. That. Can. Corroborate. Things. Together. You. Know. Or. At. Least.
[133:48]
Duncan
Get.
[133:48]
Matt
As. Close. To.
[133:50]
Guest
The.
[133:50]
Matt
Truth. As. Possible. To. Find. Some. Sort.
[133:53]
Duncan
Of.
[133:53]
Matt
Commonality. Between. All. The. Different. Things. Right. Like. The. Archaeology. The. The. DNA. Studies. Or. The. Carbon. Dating. Reading. That. Also.
[134:04]
Guest
Can.
[134:04]
Matt
Correspond. Like.
[134:05]
Duncan
Find. Some.
[134:05]
Matt
Texts. That. Also. Corroborate. It.
[134:07]
Duncan
Too.
[134:07]
Guest
You.
[134:07]
Matt
Know. Like.
[134:08]
Duncan
When.
[134:08]
Matt
People. Like. It's. Fine.
[134:09]
Guest
If.
[134:09]
Matt
It's. Fine. If. This. Is. Like.
[134:11]
Guest
This.
[134:11]
Duncan
Is.
[134:11]
Matt
Your. Religion.
[134:12]
Duncan
Like.
[134:12]
Matt
That's.
[134:13]
Guest
Fine.
[134:13]
Matt
If. You. Want. To. Believe. That. That.
[134:14]
Guest
Makes.
[134:14]
Matt
You.
[134:14]
Duncan
A.
[134:14]
Guest
Better.
[134:14]
Matt
Person. More. Power. To. You.
[134:16]
Duncan
But.
[134:16]
Matt
If. You. Want.
[134:16]
Duncan
To.
[134:16]
Matt
Claim. This.
[134:17]
Duncan
Is.
[134:17]
Matt
Like. An. Absolute. Fact. And.
[134:18]
Duncan
Everyone.
[134:18]
Matt
Should. Agree.
[134:18]
Guest
With.
[134:19]
Matt
It. You.
[134:19]
Duncan
Have.
[134:19]
Matt
To. Have. A.
[134:20]
Duncan
Lot. Of. More.
[134:21]
Matt
Corroboration. Between. Multiple. Disciplines.
[134:23]
Duncan
You.
[134:23]
Matt
Know.
[134:23]
Duncan
I. Completely. I. Agree.
[134:25]
Matt
More. It's. Like. The.
[134:26]
Duncan
Whole.
[134:26]
Guest
Like.
[134:26]
Matt
What. We.
[134:27]
Guest
Were.
[134:27]
Matt
Talking.
[134:27]
Duncan
About.
[134:27]
Matt
Earlier. With. The. Moses. Thing. Or. Even. Like.
[134:29]
Duncan
Like.
[134:29]
Matt
Ezekiel. There's. Not.
[134:31]
Guest
Any.
[134:31]
Matt
Contemporary. Texts. Outside. Of. The. Bible. That. Cl. That. Say. Anything. About. These. People. Who.
[134:38]
Duncan
Was.
[134:38]
Matt
His. Physician.
[134:39]
Guest
Who.
[134:39]
Matt
Was.
[134:39]
Duncan
His.
[134:40]
Matt
Son. Who. Was.
[134:40]
Duncan
His.
[134:40]
Matt
Doc.
[134:41]
Guest
Who.
[134:41]
Matt
Is. His. Lawyer. Right. We. Have.
[134:43]
Duncan
For.
[134:43]
Matt
For.
[134:43]
Duncan
All.
[134:44]
Matt
The. Other. People.
[134:44]
Guest
In.
[134:44]
Matt
History. That. We. Know. Are. Real. We. Have. Texts. That. Corroborate. People. That. They. Were.
[134:49]
Duncan
In.
[134:49]
Matt
Association. With. Right. And. Multiple. Authors. Also. Talking. About. Them. But. Like. When.
[134:54]
Guest
It.
[134:54]
Duncan
Comes.
[134:54]
Matt
To. People. Like. Like. Like. Ezekiel. Or. Or. Moses. There's. None. They're.
[135:01]
Duncan
Only.
[135:01]
Matt
In. That. One. Canon. There's. No. Other. Corroboration. Of. These. People. Ever. Existing. And. The. The. Analogy. That. I. Think.
[135:07]
Duncan
Is.
[135:07]
Matt
Great. To. Describe. This. Would. Be. Like. Two. Thousand. Years. From. Now. People. Are. Claiming. That. Gandalf.
[135:14]
Duncan
Was.
[135:14]
Matt
Real. And. How. Do. We. Know. That. Because. There's. This. Divinely. Inspired. Trilogy. Called. The. Lord. Of.
[135:19]
Guest
The.
[135:20]
Matt
Rings. That.
[135:20]
Duncan
Says.
[135:20]
Matt
He. Lives.
[135:20]
Guest
In. The.
[135:21]
Matt
Center.
[135:21]
Guest
Of.
[135:21]
Matt
The.
[135:21]
Duncan
Earth. Yeah. Exactly. That's. That's. Pretty. Good. But. That. Is. I. Completely. Agree. With. You. There. That's. It's. Unfortunate. But. You. Know. It's. Hard. For. Us. To. Peer. Back. And. To. Pierce. The. Veil. And. It. Takes. Like. I.
[135:35]
Guest
Was.
[135:35]
Duncan
Saying. About. Archaeoastronomy. It. Takes. All. These. Different. Angles. And. Stuff. And. It's. Without. Those. Different. Angles. Without. First.
[135:42]
Matt
Of.
[135:42]
Duncan
All. You.
[135:43]
Guest
Have. To.
[135:43]
Duncan
Accept. There's. A. Mystery. If. You. Don't. Accept. There's. A. Mystery. I. Say. This. A. Lot. Because. Atheists. Atheists. Love. To. Say. If. You. If. If. You. Say. That. God. Did. It. You're. Worthless. To. Me. In.
[135:52]
Guest
The. Lab.
[135:52]
Duncan
And. It's. Like. Well. I'll. Take. A. Step. Further. Buddy. The. Minute. You. Say. The. Science. Is. Settled. The. Minute. You. Say.
[135:56]
Guest
We.
[135:56]
Duncan
Know. You're.
[135:57]
Matt
Worthless.
[135:58]
Duncan
In. The. Lab. But. Like. I'll. Give. You. An. Example. Of. For. Myself. And. Promote. My. Own. Crap. I've. Got. A. Theory. On.
[136:06]
Matt
The.
[136:06]
Duncan
Baghdad. Battery. That's. More. In. Line.
[136:07]
Guest
With.
[136:08]
Duncan
What. Jeffrey. Would. Would. Think. The. Baghdad.
[136:10]
Matt
Explain. What. That. Yeah.
[136:11]
Duncan
Yeah. The. Baghdad. Battery. Is. The. Pot. That. Was. Found.
[136:14]
Guest
In.
[136:14]
Duncan
Baghdad. That. It's. A. Couple. Thousand. Years. Old. It's. Got. A. Copper. Copper. Tube. That. Encloses. A. Iron. Rod. The. Iron. Rods. Pitted. Some. People. Have. Claimed. That. There. Is. Like. Vinegar. Residue. Inside. Of. It. It's. Been. Stolen. It. Disappeared. In. Like. Two. Thousand. Three. From. The. Alphabet. Boys. Grabbed. The. Thing. When. They. Went. Over. To. Iraq. So. I'm. Sure. That. It's. Totally. Not. On. A. Rich. Dude's. Shelter. Shelf. Somewhere. But. Anyway. They. Think. It. The. Fact. Is. That. That. Setup. Would. Be. A. Galvanic. Cell. That. Could. Work. As. A. Galvanic. Cell. If. You. Filled. That. With. An. Electrolyte. Which. Vinegar. Would. Work. But.
[136:54]
Matt
What's. A. Galvanic.
[136:55]
Duncan
Cell. A. Galvanic. Cell.
[136:57]
Matt
Is.
[136:57]
Duncan
A. Type.
[136:57]
Guest
Of.
[136:57]
Duncan
Battery. That. Converts. Chemical. All. Batteries. Convert. Chemicals. Into. Electricity. Right.
[137:03]
Matt
Okay.
[137:05]
Duncan
In. This. One. The.
[137:06]
Matt
Way.
[137:07]
Duncan
That. It. Works. Is. The. The. Copper. Is. Called. The. The. Cathode. And. The. Copper. Draws. Basically. It. Creates. Kind. Of. Like. A. Vacuum. Where. It. Makes. It. It. Wants. Electrons.
[137:18]
Guest
To.
[137:18]
Duncan
Come. To. It. So.
[137:19]
Matt
The.
[137:19]
Duncan
Iron. Starts. Shedding. Electrons. And. That. Flow. Of. Electrons. Creates. Electricity. That's. What. Electricity. Literally. Is. The.
[137:25]
Guest
Flow.
[137:25]
Duncan
Of. Electrons. So. The. Thing. Is. The. Copper. Grows.
[137:31]
Matt
And.
[137:31]
Duncan
The. Iron. Shrinks. If. So. If.
[137:35]
Guest
You.
[137:35]
Duncan
Were. To. Instead. Of. Using. Using. A. Vinegar. As. Your. Electrolyte. If.
[137:40]
Guest
You.
[137:40]
Duncan
Were.
[137:40]
Guest
To.
[137:41]
Duncan
Use. Say. The. Acidic. Runoff. From. A. Mine. That. Had. Gold. And. Silver. In. It. The. Galvanic. Cell. The. Way. It. Functions. It'll. Separate. Those. Metals. Noble. From. Non. Noble. So. At. The. Bottom. You. Would. Get. A. Sludge. That. Would. Be. Iron. And. Magnesium. And. Nickel. And. Then. On.
[137:55]
Guest
The.
[137:55]
Duncan
Cathode. On. The. Copper. Itself. You. Would. Get. Copper. Mercury. Gold. And. Silver. So. I. Don't. Think. That. These. Things. Were. Made. To. Create. Electricity. I. Think. That. Somebody. Figured. Out. That. If. You. Put. Copper. And. Iron. In. Acidic. Mine. Runoff. That. The. Coin. That. The. That. The. Copper. Will. Peel. The. Gold. Out. And. Then. Take. The. Next. Step. The. The. Iron. Piece. Is. Pitted. It. Gets. Smaller. And. Then. Gold. Magically. Appears. Inside. I. Bet. You. They. Thought. This. Was. Alchemy.
[138:27]
Matt
I.
[138:27]
Duncan
Bet. You. This.
[138:28]
Matt
Is.
[138:28]
Duncan
Where. The. Idea. Of.
[138:28]
Matt
That.
[138:29]
Guest
Comes.
[138:29]
Duncan
From.
[138:29]
Matt
Wow.
[138:30]
Duncan
Wow.
[138:32]
Matt
That's. Pretty. Crazy.
[138:33]
Duncan
And. To. Dovetail. With. This. The. Other. The. Things. That.
[138:35]
Matt
The.
[138:36]
Duncan
Debunkers. Say. Oh. There's. Others. There's. Other. Jars. That. Have. Similar. Components. But. They're. Not. Arranged. The. Same. And. They. Have. Scrolls. Inside. So. The. Debunkers. Say. This. Was. Probably. Just. A. Scroll.
[138:44]
Matt
Jar.
[138:45]
Duncan
But. In. Those. The. Scrolls. Are. Always. Esoteric. Some. Of. Them. Directly. Talking. About. Alchemy. So. It. Seems.
[138:54]
Matt
To.
[138:54]
Duncan
Me. Like. This. Was. It. Seems.
[138:56]
Matt
To.
[138:56]
Duncan
Me. Way. More. Likely. That. This. Was. What. It. Was. Used. For. Than. To. Power. Some. Electrical. Device. Bias. We. Have. Yet. To. Discover. You. Know.
[139:02]
Matt
Right.
[139:02]
Duncan
People. Wanting. All.
[139:03]
Matt
You.
[139:03]
Duncan
Had.
[139:03]
Matt
To.
[139:04]
Guest
Do.
[139:04]
Duncan
Would. Be. Drop. A. Piece. Of. Iron. And. A. Piece. Of. Copper. In. Some. Of. That.
[139:07]
Guest
Mine.
[139:07]
Duncan
Runoff. Like.
[139:08]
Guest
I.
[139:08]
Duncan
Say. Come. Back. Two. Days. Later. And. That. Copper.
[139:10]
Matt
Will.
[139:10]
Duncan
Show. You. The. Magic. It's. Like. Discovering. Cheese. Which.
[139:14]
Matt
Is.
[139:14]
Duncan
Pretty. Easy. To. Do. And. Once. It's. Done. You. Just. Don't. Tell. Anybody. Just. Hide. It. Because. You're. You.
[139:19]
Guest
Over.
[139:19]
Duncan
There. Twenty. Jars. Over. There. Mining. Gold. For. Me.
[139:22]
Matt
Wow.
[139:22]
Duncan
I. Mean. So. Anyway.
[139:24]
Matt
That. Makes.
[139:25]
Duncan
Sense. And. Thank. You. And. I. Think. I. Honestly. I. Think. It. Falls. In. Better. Alignment. With. Occam's. Razor. And. With. The. Data. We. Have. In.
[139:32]
Matt
The.
[139:32]
Duncan
Record. But. It. Took. Not. Disregarding. The. Fact. That. This. Could. Have. Been. A. Battery. I. Couldn't. Just. Knee. Jerk. And. Say. Ah. That. Fucking. Anxious. Didn't.
[139:40]
Matt
Have.
[139:40]
Duncan
Electricity. That's.
[139:41]
Guest
Stupid.
[139:42]
Matt
I.
[139:42]
Guest
Had.
[139:42]
Duncan
To. Actually. Look. At. It. And. Say. Okay. Well. We. Got. Here. Let's.
[139:45]
Guest
Think.
[139:45]
Duncan
About. This. Okay. Dave. Farina. Is. A. Chemist. He. Should. Have. Known. This. He's. Done. Videos. On. Galvanic. Cells. Has.
[139:52]
Matt
He. Done. Videos.
[139:53]
Guest
On.
[139:53]
Matt
This. Thing.
[139:53]
Duncan
No.
[139:54]
Matt
No.
[139:54]
Duncan
No. But. But. Had. He. Done. A. Video. On. It. Would. Probably.
[139:58]
Guest
Been.
[139:58]
Duncan
Like. Milo. Rossi's. Where. He.
[140:00]
Matt
Just.
[140:00]
Duncan
Talks. Shit. Yeah. And. The. Thing. Is. If. You. Take. A. Little. Time. He. He. There's. No. Reason. I. Should. Have. Come. Up. With. This. Idea. Before. He. Did. Except.
[140:08]
Matt
For. I.
[140:09]
Duncan
Didn't. Just. Knee. Jerk. And. Say. This. Is. Stupid. Again. He's. Done. Videos. On. Galvanic. Cells. Straight. Up. So. Yeah. Anyway. It's. It's. An. Unfortunate. Reality. Reality. But. The. Denial. Of. Mystery. Is. One. Of. The. Biggest. Blockers. To. Us. Learning.
[140:26]
Matt
More. Right. And. The. Mysteries. Are. The. Things. That. Get. Filled. With. Like. The. Unexplainable. Stuff. Right.
[140:34]
Guest
When.
[140:34]
Matt
People. Like.
[140:35]
Duncan
To.
[140:35]
Matt
Fill.
[140:35]
Duncan
That. Hole. With.
[140:35]
Matt
God. Or. Aliens. Typically.
[140:37]
Duncan
And. As. Long. As. They're. Not. Using. Either. One. Of. These. Two. To.
[140:40]
Matt
Go.
[140:41]
Duncan
Whoop. Up. On. Their. Neighbor. I. Don't. Really. Have. A. Problem. With. That.
[140:43]
Guest
Right.
[140:43]
Duncan
I. Won't. Consider. It. As. Robust. Of.
[140:46]
Matt
A.
[140:46]
Duncan
You. Know. Line. Of. Evidence. Without. Some. Evidence. But. You. Mean. I'm. Open. Like.
[140:50]
Guest
We.
[140:51]
Matt
Were.
[140:51]
Duncan
Talking.
[140:51]
Guest
About.
[140:51]
Duncan
With. The. Aliens. And. Stuff. Man. You. Know. Do. You. Go. Back. To.
[140:53]
Guest
The.
[140:53]
Duncan
Ancient. Stuff. And. I'm. I'm. Like. Okay. Yeah.
[140:55]
Guest
Before.
[140:56]
Duncan
The. CIA. Got.
[140:56]
Matt
To.
[140:56]
Duncan
Play. I. I'm. One. Hundred. On. This. As. Weird. Well.
[140:59]
Guest
Here's.
[140:59]
Matt
My. Favorite. Part. About. Jeffrey. Drums. Theory. Which. Seems. Mundane. On. Surface. Level. It. Seems. Very. Explainable. Right. It. Seems. It. Doesn't.
[141:08]
Duncan
Seem.
[141:08]
Matt
As. Crazy. As. Free. Energy. Right. Because. It's. Extracting. Natural. Resources. From.
[141:14]
Guest
The.
[141:14]
Matt
Earth. For. For. Things. That. We. Do. Today. Metallurgy. And. Agriculture. So. And.
[141:23]
Duncan
He.
[141:23]
Matt
Doesn't. He. He. He. Points. Out. That. You.
[141:26]
Duncan
Can.
[141:26]
Matt
Make. This. Leap. But. He. Doesn't. Make. The.
[141:29]
Guest
Leap.
[141:30]
Matt
If.
[141:31]
Guest
We.
[141:31]
Matt
Wanted. To. And. NASA. Has. Said. This. If.
[141:33]
Guest
We.
[141:33]
Matt
Wanted. To. Inhabit. Mars. Or. Inhabit. Any. Other. Planet. What. We. Have. To. Do.
[141:37]
Guest
Is.
[141:38]
Matt
We. Have. To. Establish. Manufacturing. Utilizing.
[141:42]
Duncan
The.
[141:43]
Matt
Native. Resources. Of. That. Planet. Before. We. Go.
[141:45]
Duncan
There.
[141:45]
Matt
Because. We.
[141:46]
Duncan
Can't.
[141:46]
Matt
Just. Bring. We. Have.
[141:47]
Duncan
To.
[141:47]
Matt
Be.
[141:47]
Duncan
Able.
[141:47]
Matt
To. Make. There. Utilizing.
[141:49]
Guest
The.
[141:49]
Matt
Natural. Resources. So. If. Some. Civilization. Came. Here. And. They. Wanted.
[141:54]
Guest
To.
[141:54]
Matt
Set. Up. Shop. Here. That's. What. The. First. Thing. According. To. NASA. That.
[141:57]
Guest
They.
[141:57]
Duncan
Would.
[141:58]
Matt
Do. Is. Figure. Out. How. To. Extract. The. Natural. Resources. In. Order. To. Survive.
[142:02]
Duncan
Here. So.
[142:03]
Matt
There's. A. Nice. Little. Bridge. There. For.
[142:04]
Guest
The. Ancient.
[142:05]
Matt
Aliens.
[142:05]
Duncan
People. And. That's. Cool. You.
[142:07]
Matt
Know.
[142:07]
Duncan
I. Honestly. You. Know. I. Do.
[142:09]
Guest
A.
[142:09]
Duncan
Lot. Of. What. You. Get. You. Could. Even. Call. An. Apologist. I. Know. That. A. Lot. Of. Debunkers. Would. But. I. Think.
[142:16]
Matt
A.
[142:16]
Guest
Lot.
[142:17]
Matt
Of.
[142:17]
Duncan
This. Stuff. The. People. They're. Not. Skeptical. They're. Cynical. And. I'm. Skeptical. So. I. Don't. Like. It.
[142:21]
Guest
When.
[142:21]
Duncan
The. People. Take. My. Word. And. Tarnish.
[142:24]
Matt
It.
[142:25]
Duncan
Like. A. Great. Example. Of. This. The. Idea. That. Mars. Had. Life. On. It. A. Billion. Years. Ago. Is. Something. They. Just.
[142:30]
Matt
Laugh.
[142:31]
Duncan
At. And.
[142:31]
Matt
Laugh.
[142:31]
Duncan
At. And. Laugh. At. And. Laugh.
[142:32]
Guest
At.
[142:33]
Duncan
Oh. That's. The. Stupidest. People. I. Think. Most.
[142:36]
Matt
Scientists. Agree. With.
[142:37]
Duncan
That. Now. Now. They. Finally. Got.
[142:39]
Matt
To.
[142:39]
Duncan
The. Point. But. I'm. Sorry. Intelligent.
[142:41]
Matt
Life.
[142:41]
Duncan
We. Say. Like. The. Idea. That.
[142:43]
Matt
There.
[142:43]
Duncan
Was. Intelligent. Life. On. Mars. A. Lot. Of. Times. I. Jumps.
[142:46]
Guest
Into.
[142:46]
Duncan
The. Whole. Panspermia. Thing. Right. Like. Jump. Okay. They. Treat. That. As. Just. The. Stupidest. Thing. On. The. Planet. But. These. Same. People. Will. Believe. That. There's. Life. Elsewhere. In. The. Universe. They'll. Believe. That. There's. Intelligent. Life. Elsewhere. In. The. Universe. There's.
[143:00]
Guest
Got. To.
[143:00]
Duncan
Be. On.
[143:01]
Matt
One.
[143:01]
Duncan
Of. Those. People. Planets. Okay. What. Planet. Has. Better. Odds. Than. The. One. Right. Across. The. Street. Than. The. One. With. Tardigrades. You. You. You. Tell. Me.
[143:09]
Guest
Right. Across.
[143:09]
Matt
The.
[143:10]
Duncan
Street. Literally. Literally. If. There's.
[143:11]
Matt
A.
[143:12]
Duncan
Planet. Out. There.
[143:12]
Guest
With.
[143:12]
Duncan
Better. Odds.
[143:13]
Guest
You.
[143:13]
Duncan
Let. Me. Know. In. The. Meantime. Calling. This. Stupid. Is. Cynical. It's.
[143:17]
Matt
Not.
[143:17]
Duncan
Skeptical. It's. It's. It's. Grifting. It's. Selling. A. Fake. Bill. Of. Goods. It's. You. Guys. Are. Smart. Because. You. Agree. With. Me. On. This. But. In. Reality. This. This. Is. A. Really. Stupid. Position. To. Hold. And. You. Can.
[143:31]
Guest
Be.
[143:31]
Duncan
Skeptical. Of. It. And. Say. Well. We.
[143:33]
Guest
Don't.
[143:33]
Duncan
Have. Any. Evidence. For. That. That's. Fine. Saying. This. Is. Stupid. There's.
[143:36]
Matt
No.
[143:36]
Duncan
Way. This. Could. Happen. No. That's. Stupid. Man. That's. Not. Especially. When. Like. I. Just. Pointed. Out. They'll. Oh. Across. The. Universe.
[143:43]
Matt
Sure.
[143:43]
Duncan
Just. Not. Not. Next. To. Us. With.
[143:45]
Matt
All.
[143:45]
Duncan
Of. Our. They. Don't. Even. Know. We. Don't. Even. Know. How. Rare. Aobigenesis. Is. We. Don't. Know. If. It's.
[143:50]
Guest
A.
[143:50]
Duncan
One. Off. I. Mean. That's. An. Assumption. That. It. Happens. In. Other. Places. But. We. Don't. Know. For. Sure.
[143:55]
Matt
What. Is. That.
[143:56]
Duncan
Abiogenesis. Is. Like. Life. From. Non. Life. Like. The. Origins. Of. DNA.
[144:00]
Matt
And.
[144:00]
Duncan
Rna. And. The. First. Cells.
[144:01]
Matt
And. All.
[144:02]
Duncan
That. We. Don't. Know. How. Rare. That.
[144:04]
Matt
Is.
[144:05]
Duncan
And. So. From. A. Purely. Scientific. Perspective. If. You. Believe. In. God. It's.
[144:09]
Matt
A.
[144:09]
Duncan
Whole. Lot. Easier. To. Put. That. One. Into. Being. Wherever. You. Want. But. If. You're. Just. Expecting. Nature. To.
[144:15]
Guest
Do.
[144:15]
Duncan
It. We. Don't. Know. How. Often. So. Being. In. Close. Proximity. Could. Be.
[144:20]
Matt
The.
[144:20]
Duncan
Only. Only. Way. We. Could.
[144:22]
Guest
Be.
[144:22]
Duncan
The. Only. Rock. With. Life. On. It. For. All. We. Know. So. Yeah. Anyway. That. That. Kind. Of. Thing. It's. It's. Funny. To. Me. It's. Like. It's. Backwards. It's. It's. Not. It's. It. Comes. From. Not. Thinking. It. Through. But. Claiming. That. You. Are. Being. Intelligent. And. I'm. I. Know. Better. And. You. Just. Knee. Jerk. But. You. Knee. Jerk. With. Your. Lab. Coat. On. So.
[144:43]
Matt
Now.
[144:43]
Duncan
It's. Not. A. D. Jerk. This. Is. Science.
[144:46]
Matt
Wait. Are. You.
[144:46]
Guest
Where.
[144:46]
Matt
The. Xenon. One.
[144:47]
Duncan
Hundred.
[144:47]
Matt
Twenty. Nine. That. They. Found.
[144:48]
Guest
On.
[144:48]
Duncan
My.
[144:49]
Matt
Mars. So. It's.
[144:51]
Duncan
An.
[144:51]
Matt
Isotope.
[144:52]
Duncan
I.
[144:52]
Matt
Believe. Xenon. Xenon. One.
[144:53]
Duncan
Hundred. And.
[144:54]
Matt
Twenty. Nine. That. They. Discovered.
[144:55]
Duncan
On.
[144:55]
Matt
Mars. That. I. Think. It. Like. Really. Like. Blew. A. Lot. Of. People's. Perspectives. Out.
[145:03]
Duncan
Of. The.
[145:03]
Matt
Water. That. They. Found.
[145:04]
Guest
That.
[145:04]
Matt
There. Because. We. Know. That. We. Found.
[145:05]
Guest
It.
[145:06]
Matt
Here. And. The. Only. Place. That. We. Find. It. On. Earth. Is. At. Ground. Zero. Of. Nuclear. Tests.
[145:13]
Guest
When.
[145:13]
Matt
We. Detonate. Nukes.
[145:14]
Duncan
I. Remember. Hearing. Evidence. For. Nukes. On. Mars. But.
[145:17]
Guest
Yeah.
[145:17]
Matt
And. There's. A.
[145:18]
Duncan
Whole.
[145:18]
Matt
Lot. Whole. There's.
[145:19]
Duncan
A.
[145:19]
Matt
Whole. Big. Theory. On. How. There. Was.
[145:21]
Duncan
Like.
[145:21]
Matt
An.
[145:21]
Duncan
Ancient.
[145:21]
Matt
Nuclear. War.
[145:22]
Duncan
On.
[145:22]
Matt
Mars. NASA's. Curiosity. Rover. Analyzed. Atmospheric. Gases. Finding. That. Mars. Has.
[145:28]
Guest
An.
[145:28]
Matt
Unexpectedly. High. Abundance. Of. Xenon. One. Hundred. Twenty.
[145:30]
Duncan
Nine.
[145:30]
Matt
The. Discovery.
[145:31]
Guest
Has.
[145:31]
Matt
Helped. Scientists. Piece. Together. The.
[145:33]
Guest
History.
[145:33]
Matt
Of. The.
[145:33]
Duncan
Red.
[145:33]
Matt
Planet's. Atmosphere. And. Geological. Evolution. You. Know. If. It's. Like. The. Idea. As. If. The. Universe. Is. Expanding. And. Like. The. Planets. Are. Moving. Away. From. From. The. Sun. Right. That. At. One. Point. Earth. Was.
[145:48]
Guest
More.
[145:48]
Matt
Like. Venus. Is. Now. And. Mars.
[145:50]
Duncan
Was.
[145:50]
Matt
More. Like. Earth.
[145:51]
Duncan
Is.
[145:51]
Matt
Now. And. There.
[145:51]
Guest
Could.
[145:51]
Matt
Have.
[145:51]
Duncan
Been.
[145:52]
Matt
Life. There. And. Over. Billions. Of. Years. Maybe. They. Hopped.
[145:55]
Duncan
From.
[145:55]
Matt
Mars.
[145:56]
Duncan
To.
[145:56]
Matt
Here.
[145:56]
Duncan
Yeah.
[145:57]
Matt
And.
[145:57]
Duncan
That's.
[145:57]
Matt
Either.
[145:58]
Duncan
On. Purpose.
[145:58]
Matt
Or. An. Accident.
[145:59]
Duncan
Yeah. And. And. That's. Not. You. Know. It's. Not. Completely. Outside. The. Realms. Of. Possibility. So. Like. The. Face. On. Mars. Never. Got. Me. Going. As. Much. As. The. The. Pyramids. And. Stuff. That. That. That. Does. Get. Me. Looking. A. Bit. Little. Little. Bit. More. And. It's. Always. Funny. Because. Then. Again. You. Get. Put. In. That. Tinfoil. Nutter. Club. And. It's.
[146:18]
Matt
Like.
[146:19]
Duncan
Dude. This. Stuff. Is. It's. Just. So. Funny. That. People. Get. Just. Disregard. This. Stuff. And. And. That. Again. It. Blocks. The. Inquiry. We're. How.
[146:28]
Guest
Do.
[146:28]
Duncan
You. Solve.
[146:29]
Matt
A.
[146:29]
Duncan
Mystery. You. Don't. Admit. Is. There. You. Don't. You. Just. Pretend. It. Doesn't. Happen. And. So. You're. Just. La.
[146:34]
Matt
La. La. La.
[146:35]
Duncan
La. And. Nobody. Knows. Then.
[146:38]
Guest
And.
[146:38]
Duncan
The. People. That. We. Task. With. The. People.
[146:40]
Matt
That.
[146:40]
Guest
We.
[146:40]
Duncan
Pay. With. The. People. We. Put. In. Positions.
[146:42]
Matt
Of.
[146:42]
Duncan
Power.
[146:42]
Guest
That.
[146:42]
Duncan
We. That. The. Government. Slaps. Their. Red. Stamp. Of. Approval.
[146:45]
Matt
On.
[146:46]
Duncan
And. They. Get. The. White. Lab. Coat. And.
[146:47]
Guest
They.
[146:47]
Duncan
Stand. In. Front. Of. All. The. People. These. Guys. When. They.
[146:51]
Guest
Do.
[146:51]
Duncan
That. When. They. Knee. Jerk. And. Stuff. Man. You. Know. They. Like. They're. Humans. I. Get.
[146:56]
Matt
That.
[146:56]
Duncan
Their. Ego. Is.
[146:57]
Guest
Going.
[146:57]
Duncan
To. Get. Involved. I. Don't. Expect. It. Not. To. However. If.
[147:02]
Guest
I. Go.
[147:03]
Duncan
Spit. In. A. Cop's. Face. And. He. Breaks. My. Fucking. Neck. Knows. He's. Going.
[147:06]
Guest
To.
[147:06]
Duncan
Lose. His. Badge. Because. He's. Expected. Not. To.
[147:09]
Guest
Let.
[147:09]
Duncan
His. Ego. Get. Between. Him. And. His. Job. If. You. Can't.
[147:15]
Guest
Do.
[147:15]
Duncan
That. Don't. Be. A. Cop. If. You.
[147:17]
Matt
Can't.
[147:17]
Duncan
Do. That. Don't. Be. A. Scientist. If. You're. Not. Capable. Of. Separating. Yourself. From. Your. Work. To. The. Point. That. You're. Going. To. Muddle. Your. Work. With. Your. Thoughts. Dude. Maybe. You.
[147:25]
Guest
Go.
[147:26]
Duncan
Flip. Burgers.
[147:28]
Matt
And. Then. You. Have. The. Parts.
[147:30]
Duncan
Of.
[147:30]
Matt
Science. That.
[147:30]
Duncan
Are.
[147:31]
Matt
Protected. By.
[147:31]
Duncan
The.
[147:31]
Matt
National. Security. State.
[147:33]
Duncan
And.
[147:33]
Matt
Where.
[147:33]
Guest
They.
[147:33]
Matt
Have.
[147:33]
Duncan
To. Have.
[147:34]
Matt
Clearances. And. Like. Great. Example. Would. Be. How. There's. Images. That. Are. Brought. In. Through.
[147:41]
Duncan
Like.
[147:41]
Matt
The. Biggest. Telescopes. That.
[147:42]
Guest
We.
[147:42]
Matt
Have. On. Earth. That. Have.
[147:44]
Duncan
To.
[147:44]
Matt
Get. Cleared. Through.
[147:45]
Duncan
The.
[147:45]
Matt
Pentagon. Before. They're. Able. To. Be. Made. Public. So.
[147:49]
Duncan
Like. Like.
[147:51]
Matt
What. Sort.
[147:52]
Guest
Of.
[147:52]
Matt
Astronomy.
[147:52]
Guest
Is.
[147:53]
Matt
Out. There. What.
[147:53]
Duncan
Sort. Of.
[147:53]
Matt
Studies. Of.
[147:54]
Duncan
The.
[147:54]
Guest
Moon.
[147:55]
Matt
Or. The. Mars.
[147:55]
Guest
Are.
[147:56]
Matt
Already. Out. There. That. Before. There. May. Be. Made. Public. To. Us. Have. To. Get. Passed. By. The. CIA.
[148:03]
Duncan
Yeah. And.
[148:04]
Matt
The. Pentagon.
[148:05]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Mean. That's. Yeah. That's. Nuts.
[148:07]
Matt
I. Mean. The. Historically. The. Best. Scientists. That. We've. Ever. Had. Have. Been. Working. For. The. Government. For. The.
[148:17]
Duncan
Purpose. Of.
[148:17]
Guest
War.
[148:17]
Matt
And. Maintaining. Us. The. United. States.
[148:19]
Duncan
Is.
[148:20]
Matt
The. Dominant. Superpower. In.
[148:21]
Duncan
The.
[148:21]
Guest
World.
[148:21]
Duncan
Best. Scientists. The. Germans. Had. Were. Working. For. Us.
[148:24]
Matt
Too.
[148:24]
Duncan
Yeah. We.
[148:24]
Matt
Got. Got. Nazis. Dude.
[148:26]
Duncan
Half. Of. Them. Anyway.
[148:27]
Matt
Yeah.
[148:27]
Duncan
The. Ones. That. The. Soviets. Didn't.
[148:28]
Matt
Go. Into.
[148:29]
Duncan
Gulags.
[148:29]
Matt
Right.
[148:30]
Duncan
That's. One. Really. Funny. I. Watched.
[148:31]
Matt
That.
[148:31]
Duncan
Thing. A. Few. Years. Ago. On. Netflix. And. It. Was. Showing. The. American. And. Space. Race. Side. By. Side. And. Like. We. We've.
[148:38]
Guest
Got.
[148:38]
Duncan
Our. Nazi. That. We've. Werner. Von. Braun. And. He's. Over. There. Making. His. Rockets. And. He's. Got. All. This.
[148:43]
Matt
And.
[148:43]
Duncan
Then. It. Shows. The. Soviet. Dude. And. He'd. Ran. Afoul. Of. Some. Of. One. Of. His. Superiors. So. Like. Five. Years. Before. So. He's. Been. In. A. Gulag. For. Like. Five. Years. It. Right. Off. The.
[148:53]
Guest
Bat.
[148:54]
Duncan
Night. And. Day. And. Then. Yeah. Their. Their. Their. Their.
[148:59]
Guest
Whole.
[148:59]
Duncan
Setup. It. Was. Like. A.
[149:01]
Matt
Lot.
[149:01]
Duncan
Like. The. Their. World. War. Two. Reputation. Of. Just. Throw. Bodies. At. It. Just.
[149:05]
Matt
Throw.
[149:05]
Duncan
Bodies. At. It.
[149:06]
Matt
Yeah.
[149:07]
Guest
Well. There's.
[149:07]
Matt
Allegedly. Like. There's. Allegedly. There's. Stories. Of. Like. Legit. People. Who. Have. Like. Blown. The. Whistle. On. Seeing. Images. From. Satellites. Of. Like. Ancient. Structures.
[149:20]
Duncan
On. The.
[149:21]
Matt
Backside. Of. The.
[149:21]
Duncan
The.
[149:21]
Matt
Moon.
[149:22]
Duncan
Yeah. I. Can't. Believe. That.
[149:23]
Matt
And. You. Know. Like. What. Would. Happen. If. That. Was. Made. Public. And. Like. Oh. My. God. These. Structures.
[149:27]
Duncan
On.
[149:28]
Matt
The. Moon. Resemble. These. Things. In. Egypt. Or. That. We. Have. Here. What. Does. That.
[149:32]
Guest
Mean.
[149:33]
Duncan
Yeah. It. Gets.
[149:34]
Matt
They.
[149:34]
Duncan
Don't.
[149:34]
Guest
Even.
[149:35]
Duncan
Want. To. Discuss. The. Cross. Continental. Contact. Like. The. Cocaine. Mummies. We. Were. Talking. About. Like. The. Elongated. Skulls. If. You. If. You. Look. Up. A. Map. Of. The. Distribution. Of. Artificially. Modified. Craniums. It's. Like.
[149:47]
Matt
All. Along.
[149:47]
Duncan
The. Coast. And. All. Of. The. World. By.
[149:51]
Matt
The.
[149:51]
Duncan
Way. And. This. Blew. My. Mind. When. I. Started. Digging. Into. It. Just. How. Covered. Up. This. Was. The. Pacific. Northwest. Like. I. Was. Saying. Earlier. It's. Got. One. Of. The. Highest. Concentrations. Lewis. And. Clark. Reported. One. Grave. Site. With. Three. Thousand. Above. Ground. Burials. That. Were. All. Elongated. Skulls. And. Like. There's. Thousands. Of. Them. Up. In. There. But. Nobody. Ever. Talks. About. It.
[150:13]
Guest
You. Don't.
[150:13]
Duncan
Ever. Hear. Hear. About. It. Like. I. Wandering. Wolf. Mike. Collins. His. Producer. Sammy. Lee. Went. To. The. University. Of. Oregon. And. Studied. Native. American. History. For. Like. Two. Years. Right. There. Where. They. Were. Doing. That. And. She. Never. Learned. About. It.
[150:27]
Matt
Wow.
[150:27]
Duncan
They. Kind. Of. Just. Cover. It. Up. And. The. If. You. Look. At. Those. Maps. Like. I.
[150:31]
Matt
Was.
[150:31]
Duncan
Talking. About. The. Map. There's. A. Map. From.
[150:34]
Matt
Like.
[150:35]
Duncan
Nineteen. Thirty. Eight. And. It. Shows. A. Distribution. Of. Artificially. Modified. Craniums. Or. Around. The. World. And.
[150:40]
Guest
Then.
[150:40]
Duncan
There's. A. Map. From. Twenty. Nineteen. That. Shows. The. Same. Thing. And. The. More. Modern. Map. Is. Missing. Every. Pacific. Island. It's. Missing. Huge. Swaths. Of. The. United. States. It's. Missing. Parts. Of. Asia. It's. Missing. Parts. Of. Because. Science. Loses. Information. As. It. Progresses. Apparently. It's. This.
[150:56]
Matt
Telephone. Game.
[150:56]
Duncan
It's. A. Cover. Up. There's. Very. Few. Times. I. Will. Say. It. But. This. One. Point. Blank. Like. I. Was. Saying. About. The. Skulls. That. Rockefeller.
[151:04]
Matt
Had. You.
[151:04]
Duncan
Can't. They. Don't. Know. They. Don't. Have. On. The.
[151:07]
Matt
Island.
[151:07]
Duncan
Of. Nui. They. Had. Artificially. Modified. Schools. One. Of. Them. Was. Ninety. Six. Percent. As. Wide. As. It. Is. Tall. There's. No. Measurements. No. Photographs. And. If. You. Want. To. See. It. You're.
[151:17]
Guest
Going.
[151:17]
Duncan
To. Have. To. Go. To. The. Island. To.
[151:20]
Matt
I.
[151:20]
Duncan
Forget. It's. Maybe. It's. In. Maori. But. There's. A. Museum. And. This. Is.
[151:24]
Guest
The.
[151:25]
Duncan
Thing. Is. A.
[151:25]
Guest
Bunch.
[151:25]
Duncan
Of. These. Museums. That. They. Say. They're. Doing. It. For. Cultural. Sensitivity. But. It's. A. Ball. European. Owned. Modern. Western. Western. World. Museums. And. The. Cultural. Sensitivity. Argument. Doesn't. Wash. With. Me. It's. Like. You. Know. If. We're. They. Say. They. Don't. Want. Their. Spirits. Captured. By.
[151:42]
Matt
A.
[151:42]
Duncan
Photograph. Or. A. Drawing. Or. Some. Such. And. It's. That. The. Amish. Don't. Some. Of. The. Amish. Believe. That. But. They're. Amish. Next. Door. Don't. So. How. Is. It. That. In. Dutch. Pennsylvania. There's. A. Disparity. Of. Opinion. On. This. But. The. Entire. Pacific. Ocean. Feels. The. Same.
[151:56]
Guest
Way.
[151:58]
Duncan
The. There's. A. And. It's.
[151:59]
Guest
In.
[151:59]
Duncan
Numerous. Places. Hawaii.
[152:01]
Matt
You.
[152:01]
Duncan
Ever. Heard. Of. Elongated. Skulls.
[152:02]
Guest
In.
[152:02]
Matt
Hawaii.
[152:03]
Duncan
Probably. Not. But. Eight. Point. Six. Percent. Of. The. Ancient. Skulls. That. Were. Studied. Are. Elongated. Are. Artificially. Modified. Not. Crazy. Elongated. Not. Like.
[152:14]
Matt
The.
[152:14]
Guest
Ones.
[152:14]
Duncan
In. Peru.
[152:15]
Matt
Can. You. Find. Some. Images.
[152:16]
Duncan
Of.
[152:16]
Guest
These.
[152:16]
Duncan
No. You. Can't. You. Can. Find. Record. Of. It. So. I'm. Saying. I've. Got. A. Book. That. I. Put. You. Could. Find. See. These. Notice. Everything. You're. Getting. Is. Paracas. You. Get. Every.
[152:29]
Guest
Now.
[152:29]
Duncan
And. Again. You'll.
[152:30]
Matt
Get.
[152:30]
Duncan
One. From. China. And. I've.
[152:33]
Matt
Got.
[152:33]
Duncan
A. Book. That. Is. From. The. Smithsonian. From. Nineteen. Sixty. Called. The. Chinook. Sign.
[152:37]
Matt
Of.
[152:38]
Duncan
Freedom. And.
[152:38]
Guest
It's.
[152:39]
Duncan
The. Artificial. Like. Concomley. C. O. N. C. O. M. L. Y. Was. A. Chinook. Chief. He.
[152:45]
Matt
Had.
[152:45]
Duncan
An. Elongated. Skull. He.
[152:47]
Guest
Spoke.
[152:47]
Duncan
With. Lewis.
[152:47]
Guest
And.
[152:48]
Duncan
Clark. He.
[152:48]
Guest
He.
[152:48]
Duncan
Was. Well. Known. Well. Respected. And. They. Take. His. Image. The. Images. Of. The. Skull. Off. The. Internet. Now. I've. I've. I've. Put. Him. In. My.
[152:57]
Guest
Like.
[152:57]
Matt
My.
[152:57]
Duncan
Channel. Page.
[152:58]
Guest
On.
[152:58]
Duncan
My. YouTube. And. And. My. My. Channel. Members. And. My. Patreon. Supporters. But. I. Can't. Put. Them. Out. In. The. Mainstreamer. They're. Just.
[153:04]
Matt
Going.
[153:04]
Guest
To.
[153:04]
Duncan
Take. It. Down. That. That. Book. Is. Out.
[153:07]
Matt
Of.
[153:07]
Duncan
Production. You. Can't. Find. It. And. This. Is. All. Over. It's. Like. The. The. Amount. Of. These. Artificially. Modified. Squares. Skulls. That. You. See. In. The. Record. When.
[153:20]
Guest
You.
[153:20]
Duncan
Read.
[153:21]
Matt
The.
[153:21]
Duncan
Explorer. Account. Stuff. It's. All. Over. But. It's. All. Coastal. Almost. All. Coastal. Not. Quite. But.
[153:26]
Guest
Almost.
[153:26]
Duncan
All. Coastal. And.
[153:28]
Matt
Why. Is. That.
[153:29]
Duncan
In. My. Mind. Probably. Because. They. Were. In. Contact. With. Each. Other. And. That's. Why. I. Think. They're. Hiding. This. Stuff. Because. It's. The. Same. As.
[153:35]
Matt
They.
[153:35]
Duncan
Don't. Want. Us. To. Know. About. Pyramids. On. Mars. Any. Of. These. Implications. And. Here's. The. Thing. I. Don't. Think. This. Is. Like. Some. Big. Top. Down. Wrong. Kind. Of. Thing.
[153:44]
Matt
Right.
[153:45]
Duncan
Honestly. A. Lot. Of. This.
[153:46]
Matt
Stuff.
[153:47]
Duncan
Is. Just.
[153:47]
Matt
One.
[153:48]
Duncan
Or. Two. People. Making. A. Decision. And. Then. Other. People. Fall. Into. Lockstep. Because. He's.
[153:52]
Matt
The.
[153:52]
Duncan
Influencer. Or. Whatever. Right. Right. So. But. Yeah. There's. Definitely. I. I. I. Am. Slow. To. Say. One. Hundred. There's.
[154:00]
Matt
A.
[154:00]
Duncan
Cover. Up. On. Something. But. This. One. They. Flat. Tell. You. Yeah. We've. Got. The. Skulls. You. Can't. See. Them.
[154:05]
Matt
What.
[154:05]
Duncan
Is.
[154:05]
Guest
The.
[154:05]
Matt
Conventional. Explanation. To. Why.
[154:07]
Guest
They.
[154:07]
Matt
Were. Doing. That. To. Their. Skull. Like. Doing.
[154:08]
Guest
That.
[154:09]
Duncan
They. They. Usually. Consider. It. The. Same. Thing. As. Like. Ritual. Scarring. Or. Tattooing. But. I. Got. A. Different. Theory. Of. Course. The. Ones. That. Were. Found. In. China. They're. Like. In.
[154:19]
Matt
The.
[154:19]
Duncan
Sixties. They're. About. Ten. Thousand. Years. Old. And. They. Were. Mistaken. For. About. Thirty. Years. They. Were. Mistaken. For. CRO. Magnon. Skulls. They. Look. A. Lot. Like. The. Ones. That. Were. In. The. Pacific. Northwest. So. It. Seems. To. Me. Like. Some.
[154:31]
Guest
Of.
[154:31]
Duncan
These. Guys. Were. Trying. To. Emulate. CRO. Magnons. Pretty. Safe. Place. To. Start. If. Experts. Are. Mistaking. Them. For. CRO. Magnon. Maybe. That's. What. They. Were. Trying. For. And. So. Then. You. Look. At. The. That. Nineties. The. Ones. That. Are. Really. Wide. You. See. Some.
[154:43]
Matt
Of.
[154:43]
Duncan
Those. In.
[154:43]
Guest
The.
[154:43]
Duncan
Record. The. Stewie. Griffin. I. Jokingly. Call. It. But. Yeah. These. These. Ones. Are. Same. Kind.
[154:50]
Matt
Of.
[154:50]
Duncan
Thing. It's. Like. They. Could. Be.
[154:51]
Matt
Homo.
[154:51]
Duncan
Habilis. Or. Something. Like. That.
[154:53]
Matt
That.
[154:53]
Duncan
They're. Trying. To. Emulate. But. Then. You. Get. To.
[154:55]
Guest
The.
[154:56]
Duncan
The. Peruvian. Ones. And. It's. Like. Well. I. Mean. Neanderthal. Had. A. Little.
[155:00]
Guest
Bit.
[155:00]
Duncan
Of. A. Cone. Head. Compared. To. Us. But. That's.
[155:03]
Guest
Some.
[155:04]
Duncan
Sigourney. Weaver. Alien. Looking. Right. There. I. Don't. Really. So. Again. To. Open. The. Door. To. The. An. Alien. Guys. It's. Like. It. Looks. Like. They.
[155:10]
Guest
Were.
[155:10]
Duncan
Emulating. Something. Here. It. Looks.
[155:11]
Guest
Like.
[155:12]
Matt
They.
[155:12]
Duncan
Were. Emulating. Something. There. Maybe. They. Were. Emulating. Your. Aliens. Over. Here.
[155:15]
Matt
Boys.
[155:15]
Duncan
I. Don't. Know.
[155:16]
Guest
Yeah.
[155:17]
Matt
Maybe. They. Were. Seeing. Aliens. They. Thought. They. Were. Gods. And. They. Wanted. To. Emulate. The. Gods.
[155:20]
Duncan
Or. It.
[155:21]
Guest
Could.
[155:21]
Duncan
Be.
[155:22]
Guest
Could.
[155:22]
Duncan
Be. So. Many. Things.
[155:23]
Matt
It.
[155:23]
Duncan
Could. Just.
[155:23]
Matt
Be.
[155:24]
Duncan
Like. One. That. They. Were.
[155:26]
Matt
Smart.
[155:26]
Duncan
They. Show.
[155:27]
Guest
Up.
[155:27]
Duncan
And. It's. Like. They. They. Teach. People. Stuff. And. Whatnot. And. You. Know. One. Smart. Dude. Yeah. They. Put.
[155:33]
Matt
A. Wig. On. Or. Is.
[155:33]
Guest
That.
[155:33]
Matt
The.
[155:33]
Guest
Real.
[155:34]
Matt
Hair. No.
[155:34]
Duncan
That's. That's. The. Baby. From. Peru. Yeah. That's. Real. Hair.
[155:39]
Guest
Wow.
[155:39]
Duncan
But. Yeah. If. You. Look. One. Of. The. Ones. If. You. Check.
[155:48]
Matt
Crazy.
[155:48]
Duncan
Dude. The. If. You. Type. In. C. O. N. Yeah.
[155:52]
Guest
They.
[155:52]
Matt
Would. Have.
[155:52]
Duncan
To.
[155:52]
Matt
Start. Doing. This. At. At.
[155:54]
Duncan
Early.
[155:54]
Matt
In.
[155:55]
Duncan
Life. When.
[155:56]
Matt
Still. Soft.
[155:56]
Duncan
The. The. Explorers. That. Saw. In. That. Chief. Concol. The. Explorers. That. Saw. The. Chinook. The. That. Did. It. It's.
[156:05]
Guest
In. The.
[156:05]
Duncan
Beginning. Of. That. Book. One.
[156:06]
Guest
Dude.
[156:06]
Duncan
Wrote. Down. Said. That. The. Side. Of. The. Baby. Was. Hideously. Funny. It. Was. Like. Its. Eyes. Bulged. From. The. Bandages. Like. A. Mouse. Caught. In.
[156:16]
Matt
A.
[156:16]
Duncan
Trap.
[156:17]
Matt
Oh.
[156:17]
Duncan
Could. You. Imagine.
[156:18]
Guest
Doing. That.
[156:18]
Duncan
To. Your. Kid.
[156:19]
Matt
Oh.
[156:20]
Duncan
So. It's. Like. They. Had. A. Pretty. Damn. Good. Reason. For. Doing. It.
[156:22]
Matt
God. Dude.
[156:24]
Duncan
Yeah. It's. Yeah. It's. Pretty. Pretty. I. Mean. It's. Pretty.
[156:28]
Guest
Cool.
[156:28]
Duncan
Crazy. But. You. Know. It's. One. Of. The. Things. That's. Funny. Is. These. Guys. Down. In. Paracas. Down. In. Peru. Those. Schools.
[156:35]
Guest
Are.
[156:36]
Duncan
Are.
[156:36]
Matt
Huge.
[156:37]
Duncan
Compared. To. Most. Of. What. We. See. In. Rest. Of.
[156:40]
Guest
The.
[156:40]
Duncan
World. And. That's. That's.
[156:42]
Guest
I.
[156:42]
Duncan
Mean.
[156:44]
Matt
One.
[156:45]
Duncan
Of. The. Biggest. Things. I. Hammer. At. With. The. Conspiracy. With. The. COVID With. The. Rockefeller. Cherry. Picked. Four. Or. Five.
[156:50]
Matt
Of.
[156:50]
Duncan
The. Best. Ones. Of. Those. From. Paracas. Now. If. Just. For. Argument's. Sake.
[156:54]
Guest
If.
[156:54]
Duncan
One. Of. These. Had. Three. Eyes. And. Horns. Hanging.
[156:56]
Matt
Out.
[156:56]
Duncan
Of. It. Do. You.
[156:57]
Guest
Think.
[156:57]
Duncan
He. Left. It.
[156:58]
Guest
It.
[156:58]
Duncan
There. Do. You. Think. He. Took. It. So. If. Brian.
[157:01]
Guest
Forrester's.
[157:01]
Duncan
Over.
[157:01]
Guest
There.
[157:01]
Duncan
Going.
[157:02]
Guest
Man.
[157:02]
Duncan
I. Need. To. Measure. The. Cranial. Capacity. Of.
[157:03]
Matt
This.
[157:04]
Duncan
One. And. See. How. Big. Its. Orbital. Sockets. Are. I. Was. Like. Yeah. You. Really.
[157:07]
Guest
Need. To.
[157:07]
Duncan
Measure.
[157:07]
Matt
The. One.
[157:08]
Duncan
We. Don't. Have. Because. That. One's. Probably. Cooler. Almost. Certainly. Cooler. And. That's. Where. It. Gets. Really. Ninety. Ninety. Six. Percent. Wide. As. It. Is. Tall. Can't. Find. It. Found.
[157:18]
Matt
Out.
[157:18]
Duncan
There. Was.
[157:18]
Guest
A.
[157:18]
Duncan
Whole. Bunch. Of. Them. Going. Up. Here. Can't. Find. It. We. Have. We. Know. That. There.
[157:22]
Guest
Were.
[157:22]
Duncan
People. Doing. It. Down.
[157:22]
Guest
There.
[157:22]
Duncan
We. Put. It. In.
[157:23]
Matt
The.
[157:23]
Duncan
Museum.
[157:23]
Guest
And.
[157:23]
Duncan
You. Can't.
[157:24]
Guest
You.
[157:24]
Duncan
Can't. See. It. It's. Like. You. You. Look. And. And. Then. Paracas. Is. Even. Crazier. Because. Paracas. Does. Show. You. Everything. Except.
[157:31]
Guest
For.
[157:31]
Duncan
The. Ones. That. Rockefeller. Took. So. It's.
[157:34]
Guest
Like.
[157:35]
Duncan
They. Funnel. You.
[157:36]
Guest
Over.
[157:36]
Duncan
Here. To. The. Ancient. Aliens. One. They. Don't.
[157:39]
Guest
Leave.
[157:39]
Duncan
You. Over. To.
[157:40]
Matt
Talk.
[157:40]
Duncan
About. The. Ones. That. Are. More. Mundane. Everything's. Funneled. Over. Towards. Paracas. And. Then. Yeah. Then. They. Can. Put. Tinfoil. Hats. On. All. Of. Us. And. Ignore. Us.
[157:49]
Matt
Like.
[157:50]
Duncan
We're. Talking. About.
[157:50]
Matt
The.
[157:51]
Duncan
Hillary. Clinton. Email. Right. It's. Like. Another. Tinfoil. Hat. Uncle.
[157:56]
Matt
Yeah. Totally.
[157:57]
Guest
What.
[157:58]
Matt
So. The. Brian. Forester. Guy. You. Just. Mentioned. What.
[158:00]
Duncan
Is.
[158:00]
Matt
His.
[158:01]
Duncan
Overall.
[158:02]
Matt
Like. What's. His. Whole.
[158:03]
Duncan
Thing. Oh. He. Thinks. They're. Aliens. He. Thinks.
[158:05]
Guest
That.
[158:05]
Duncan
That. Some. Of. Them. Were.
[158:06]
Matt
Like. What.
[158:06]
Duncan
Is.
[158:06]
Matt
He.
[158:06]
Duncan
Known.
[158:07]
Matt
For.
[158:07]
Duncan
He's.
[158:08]
Guest
Known.
[158:08]
Duncan
For. These. Elongated. Skulls.
[158:09]
Matt
He's. Known. For.
[158:09]
Guest
The.
[158:09]
Matt
Long. I. Thought.
[158:11]
Duncan
He. Was. Connected.
[158:11]
Matt
To. Atlantis.
[158:12]
Guest
For.
[158:12]
Duncan
Some.
[158:12]
Matt
Reason.
[158:12]
Duncan
No.
[158:12]
Guest
He.
[158:13]
Duncan
Well. To. A. Degree. But. He's. He's. A. He's. The. The. Guy. That. I. Mentioned. Earlier. That. Did. Like. The. Tour.
[158:17]
Matt
In.
[158:17]
Duncan
Cusco. And. Stuff. Of. Those. Tunnels. Okay. He's. Been.
[158:20]
Matt
Down.
[158:20]
Duncan
There. For.
[158:20]
Matt
A.
[158:20]
Duncan
Long. Time. Looking. Into. This. Stuff. And. He's. Probably. More. Popular. More. Known. Than. Anybody. Else. For. Bringing. Those. Skulls. To. To. Bear. As. Far. As. To. The. Public. Him. And. David. Childress. The. Guy. From. Ancient. Aliens. I. Don't.
[158:33]
Guest
Know.
[158:33]
Duncan
If. You. Know.
[158:34]
Guest
Him.
[158:35]
Duncan
But. Those. Two. They. Co. Authored. A.
[158:37]
Guest
Book.
[158:37]
Duncan
Together. And.
[158:38]
Guest
Then.
[158:38]
Duncan
Since. Then. Brian's. Wrote. A. Couple. On. His. Own. But.
[158:40]
Matt
So. What.
[158:41]
Duncan
Is.
[158:41]
Matt
Your.
[158:41]
Duncan
Overall.
[158:42]
Matt
View. On.
[158:43]
Guest
At. Least.
[158:43]
Matt
Atlantis. Because. When. When. Flint.
[158:45]
Duncan
Was.
[158:45]
Matt
Here. Out. Of.
[158:46]
Duncan
All. The.
[158:47]
Matt
Things.
[158:47]
Duncan
He.
[158:47]
Matt
Explained.
[158:47]
Duncan
To.
[158:47]
Matt
Me. I. Seem. To. Agree. With. Him. On. His. View. Of. Atlantis. His.
[158:52]
Duncan
His. Overall.
[158:53]
Matt
View. Of.
[158:53]
Duncan
It. Okay. Well. My. Overall. View. Is. The. Story. Of. Atlantis. Is. The. Greek. Version. Of.
[159:02]
Matt
A.
[159:02]
Duncan
Broader.
[159:03]
Guest
Myth.
[159:05]
Duncan
Like. Compare. We'll. Start. With. The. Biblical. Version. And. The. Greek. Version. Of. The.
[159:09]
Guest
Flood.
[159:10]
Duncan
In. The. Greek. Version. They're. A. Democratic. Society. That. Was. A. Bunch.
[159:15]
Matt
Of.
[159:15]
Duncan
Warrior. Poets. That. Used. The. Same. Orichalcum. Precious. Metal. On. The. Walls.
[159:20]
Guest
Of.
[159:20]
Duncan
Their. Temples. It. Was. Stuff.
[159:22]
Guest
The.
[159:23]
Duncan
Greeks. Valued. And. Into. The. Biblical. Version. Of. It. It. Was. All. About. God. One. Monotheism. You. Worship. The. One. True. God.
[159:31]
Guest
All.
[159:32]
Duncan
These. Nephilim. And. All. These. Demons. They're. All. Fucked. And. This. Is. The. One. True. God. Saves. Noah. It's. Like.
[159:37]
Matt
A.
[159:37]
Duncan
Cultural. Lens. Applied. To. Something. That. The. Ancients. Seem. To.
[159:41]
Matt
Have.
[159:41]
Duncan
Taken. For. Granted. Happened. And. I. Think. That's.
[159:44]
Guest
Where.
[159:44]
Duncan
A. Lot.
[159:44]
Guest
Of.
[159:44]
Duncan
People. Get. Hung. Up. With. Like.
[159:45]
Matt
Oh.
[159:46]
Duncan
I'm. Looking. At.
[159:46]
Guest
The.
[159:46]
Duncan
Reichot. Structure. I'm. Looking. Over. Here. I'm. Looking.
[159:48]
Matt
Over.
[159:48]
Duncan
Here. If. We. If. We. All. Got. Wiped.
[159:51]
Matt
Out.
[159:51]
Duncan
Now. And. Twenty. Thousand. Years. From. Now. Scientists. Were. Looking. Back. They. Would. Call. Us. Like. Like. They. Do. The. Clovis. Culture. See. From. Shining. Sea. I'm. Sure. The. People. Spoke. The. Same. Language. In. New. York. And. In. California. I. Mean. They.
[160:03]
Matt
Call.
[160:03]
Duncan
Us.
[160:03]
Guest
The.
[160:03]
Duncan
Electronics. People. They've. Just. Been. And. Then. They. Lumped. Us. In. With. The. Goddamn. French. Right. So. I. Mean. That's. How. That's. How. Bad. It. Gets. Right. But. So. But. Seriously. I. Mean. That's. That's.
[160:13]
Guest
How.
[160:14]
Duncan
It. Would. That's.
[160:14]
Matt
How.
[160:14]
Duncan
We'd. Be. Viewed. So.
[160:15]
Guest
I.
[160:15]
Matt
Think.
[160:16]
Duncan
Like. I. Think. I. Think. Easter. Island. Is. A. Great. Smoking. Gun. Place. For. Them. Like. They. Almost. My. Opinion. About. Ninety. Percent. Chance. That. There. Was. Something. There. Before. The. Floods. And.
[160:27]
Matt
On. Easter. Island.
[160:28]
Duncan
On. Easter. Island. Island. And. One. Of.
[160:30]
Guest
The.
[160:30]
Duncan
Biggest. Reasons. I. Say. That. Is. Because. Of. The. Look. You. Know. What. Axis. Mundi. Is. Or. Like. A. World. Naval. It's. An. Idea. That. This. Is. The. First. This. Is. The. Center. Of. The. Earth. This.
[160:40]
Matt
Is.
[160:40]
Duncan
The. Place. Where. The. Umbilical. Cord. Of. God. Touched. The.
[160:43]
Matt
Earth.
[160:43]
Duncan
And. This. Is. Where. It. Begin. To. Grow. From.
[160:44]
Matt
Whoa.
[160:45]
Duncan
Okay. This. Is. A. Universal. Concept. You. See. That. The. The. Oracle. At. Delhi. Was. One. The. Dome. Of. The. Rock. Is. One. There's.
[160:55]
Matt
One.
[160:55]
Duncan
In. India. But. I. Find. Forget. They're. Always. Centrally. Located. Sac. Se. Who. Aman. Was. One. They're. Always. Centrally. Located. To. A. Culture. Except. Easter. Island's. Got. One. And. Easter. Island. Is. A. Far. Flung. Corner. Of. The. The. Polynesian. Empire.
[161:10]
Matt
But.
[161:11]
Duncan
If. You. Lower. The. Sea. Levels.
[161:13]
Matt
Right.
[161:13]
Guest
It.
[161:13]
Duncan
Would.
[161:13]
Matt
Connect.
[161:14]
Duncan
No. Well. It. Didn't. Connect.
[161:15]
Matt
But. It.
[161:15]
Duncan
Becomes. A. Centrally. Located.
[161:17]
Matt
Island.
[161:17]
Duncan
In. A. Big. Chain.
[161:18]
Guest
Of.
[161:18]
Duncan
Islands. That. Stretches. From. The. Americas.
[161:19]
Matt
To.
[161:20]
Duncan
Asia. It's.
[161:21]
Guest
Right. Over.
[161:21]
Duncan
The. Right.
[161:21]
Guest
Before. You.
[161:22]
Duncan
Get. To. The. Middle. Atlantic. Ridge. It. Would. Actually. Be. Kind. Of.
[161:24]
Guest
The.
[161:24]
Duncan
Waypoint. Before. The. Furthest. Jump. Of. That. Journey.
[161:26]
Matt
Can.
[161:26]
Guest
You.
[161:27]
Matt
Find. Like. A. Topographical. Ocean. Map.
[161:29]
Guest
Of.
[161:30]
Matt
Easter. Island.
[161:31]
Guest
Like.
[161:32]
Matt
Around. Easter. Island. Between. Easter. Island. And. Like. South. America. And. See.
[161:36]
Duncan
Like.
[161:36]
Matt
What.
[161:36]
Duncan
The.
[161:36]
Matt
Elevations. Are. Of. The. Seafloor. That's. Interesting. So. It.
[161:39]
Duncan
Would.
[161:39]
Matt
Be. Like.
[161:39]
Duncan
A.
[161:40]
Matt
Connecting. Island. Chain.
[161:41]
Duncan
Yeah. It's. Close. Enough. That. You. Could. See. Some. Of.
[161:44]
Guest
Them.
[161:44]
Duncan
And. Easily. Sail. To. All. Of. Them. Right.
[161:46]
Guest
It.
[161:46]
Duncan
Would. Be. And. All. Of.
[161:48]
Matt
A.
[161:48]
Duncan
Sudden. It's. Very. Small. Centrally. Located. So. To. Me. That. Right. There. Is. A. Big. Smoking. Gun. For. Not. Only. The.
[161:53]
Guest
Fact.
[161:53]
Duncan
That. We. Have. This. Idea. All. Around. The. World. But. The. Fact. Of. Where. It. Is. On. Easter. Island. Specifically. Where. It. Is. In. The. Polynesian. World. Specifically. And. Then. There's. Actually. Their. Myths. Talk. About.
[162:02]
Guest
When.
[162:03]
Duncan
They. Found.
[162:03]
Matt
The.
[162:03]
Duncan
Place. Like. They. Resettled. It. In. About. A. Thousand. Years. Ago.
[162:06]
Matt
And.
[162:06]
Duncan
Their. Myths. Talk. About. How. They. Were. Looking. For. It. And. The. King. Saw. It. In. A. Dream. And. Then. He. Sent. People. Out. To. Go. Get. All. These. Different. Foods. And. Then. They. Went. There. There. And. It. Actually. Is. Interesting. Even.
[162:17]
Guest
Though.
[162:17]
Duncan
It's. A. Thousand. Years. Ago. It. Proves. Something. That. They. Want. To. Say. Wasn't. True. Not. Only. Did. They. Find. Human. DNA. Going. Both. Directions. From. Easter. Island. Into. South. America. And. South. American. DNA.
[162:30]
Guest
In.
[162:30]
Duncan
Easter. Island. And. Spreading.
[162:31]
Guest
Out.
[162:32]
Duncan
Into. Polynesia. But. In. The. Lowest. Habitable. Layer. Which. Is. The. Oldest. Archaeological. Layer. That. They. Know. Of. On. Easter.
[162:39]
Matt
Island.
[162:40]
Duncan
There's. All. These. Obsidian. Blades. And. They. Had. Sweet. Potato. And. Ginger. And. Some. Other. Other. Crops. As. Well. But. Sweet. Potato. Is. Native. To. The. Americas. Ginger. Is. Native. To. Asia. These. Guys. Were. Definitely. In. Contact.
[162:52]
Matt
With.
[162:53]
Duncan
A. Thousand. Years. No. Question. And. You. Still. Don't.
[162:56]
Guest
Get.
[162:56]
Duncan
To. Hear. About. This. None. But. Science. Is. The. Science. Is. Settled. As. They. Like. To. Say.
[163:02]
Matt
Yeah.
[163:02]
Duncan
But. No. The. Science. Is. Pretty. Conclusive. There. Is. There. Was. Content. And. That. It. Only. Makes. Sense. I. Mean.
[163:08]
Guest
I.
[163:08]
Duncan
Mean.
[163:08]
Guest
Come.
[163:08]
Duncan
On. If. The. Guys. Found. Easter. Island. Out.
[163:10]
Matt
In.
[163:10]
Duncan
The.
[163:10]
Guest
Middle.
[163:10]
Duncan
Of. Ocean. How. Could. They. Not. Find. A. Gigantic. Land. Mass. That's. Equally.
[163:14]
Matt
As.
[163:15]
Duncan
Far. Away. To. The. Other. Side. That's. This. Stuff. Doesn't. Make. Any. Sense.
[163:18]
Matt
To.
[163:18]
Duncan
Me. It's. Like.
[163:19]
Matt
Right.
[163:19]
Duncan
People. Think. They. Just. They. Just. Explore. And. Stop.
[163:22]
Matt
Is.
[163:22]
Duncan
That.
[163:22]
Guest
How.
[163:22]
Duncan
Is. That. I. Mean. To. Me. The.
[163:24]
Matt
Whole.
[163:25]
Duncan
Sailing. Across. The. Ocean. The. First. Time. A. Kid. And.
[163:27]
Matt
His.
[163:27]
Duncan
Dad. Got. In. A. Fight. And. The. Kid's. Like. You. I'm. Gonna. Get. On. A. Boat. And. Take.
[163:30]
Matt
Off.
[163:30]
Duncan
That. Is. On. Buddy. Just. Like.
[163:32]
Matt
That. Yeah. I.
[163:34]
Duncan
Just.
[163:34]
Matt
Find. The. Chain. Of. Transmission. For. Plato's. Atlantis.
[163:37]
Duncan
Interesting. Oh. Yeah.
[163:39]
Matt
There's.
[163:39]
Guest
Not.
[163:40]
Duncan
A. Lot.
[163:40]
Matt
Oh.
[163:41]
Duncan
That.
[163:41]
Matt
Middle. One's. Interesting. No. Above. That. Yeah.
[163:45]
Duncan
There's.
[163:46]
Matt
A. Better. You. Just. Get.
[163:47]
Duncan
A.
[163:47]
Matt
Better. Version.
[163:47]
Duncan
With.
[163:48]
Matt
Google. Maps.
[163:49]
Duncan
I. Was. Gonna. Say. If. You.
[163:49]
Guest
Get.
[163:50]
Duncan
A. You. Could. Just. Use. The. You. Could. Just. Look. For. A. A. Map. Of.
[163:56]
Matt
Oh.
[163:57]
Duncan
Yeah.
[163:57]
Guest
Look.
[163:57]
Matt
At. That. Look. At. That.
[163:58]
Guest
Look.
[163:58]
Matt
At.
[163:58]
Duncan
That.
[163:59]
Matt
Yeah.
[164:00]
Guest
That.
[164:00]
Matt
Could. Totally. Be. An. Island. Chain. If. The.
[164:03]
Duncan
Sea. Level.
[164:03]
Matt
Was. Much. Lower.
[164:04]
Duncan
Yeah. And.
[164:05]
Guest
Let.
[164:06]
Duncan
Me.
[164:06]
Matt
Refresh. It's.
[164:07]
Guest
Like.
[164:07]
Matt
Zoomed.
[164:07]
Duncan
In.
[164:07]
Matt
I.
[164:07]
Duncan
Want. To. Zoom.
[164:08]
Matt
Out.
[164:08]
Duncan
There. We. Go. There.
[164:10]
Guest
You.
[164:10]
Duncan
Go. Better. Resolution.
[164:11]
Matt
Oh. Yeah.
[164:12]
Duncan
And. So. Yeah. You. Can. See. Like. It. It's.
[164:16]
Matt
It's.
[164:17]
Duncan
Just.
[164:17]
Matt
The. Tallest.
[164:17]
Duncan
Peak. Out. Of.
[164:18]
Matt
All.
[164:18]
Duncan
Of.
[164:18]
Matt
Them.
[164:18]
Duncan
Yeah. And. And. Where. It.
[164:20]
Guest
Would.
[164:20]
Duncan
Be. Located. Like. That's. Right. That. That. Next. Little. Jaunt. To.
[164:24]
Matt
The.
[164:24]
Duncan
Left. Is. The. Middle. Mid. Atlantic. Ridge. There's. Like. A. Little. Empty. Spot. There. And. That's. The. Biggest. Jump. You'd. Have. To. Make.
[164:30]
Matt
And. How.
[164:31]
Duncan
Far.
[164:31]
Matt
Is. This.
[164:31]
Duncan
From.
[164:31]
Matt
Hawaii. Oh. I'm. Not.
[164:33]
Duncan
Sure. How. Far.
[164:34]
Matt
Zoom. Out.
[164:34]
Duncan
It's. Like.
[164:36]
Guest
A.
[164:36]
Duncan
Few. Thousand. Miles. From. America. But. I.
[164:39]
Matt
Don't.
[164:39]
Duncan
Know. How. Far. It.
[164:40]
Guest
Is.
[164:40]
Duncan
From. Hawaii. Proper.
[164:42]
Matt
There.
[164:42]
Duncan
You. Go.
[164:43]
Matt
Hawaii's. Way. North.
[164:44]
Duncan
Look.
[164:44]
Guest
At.
[164:44]
Matt
That.
[164:44]
Duncan
Yeah.
[164:47]
Matt
That's.
[164:47]
Duncan
A. Long.
[164:47]
Matt
Distance. Thousand.
[164:49]
Duncan
Miles.
[164:50]
Matt
Yeah. So.
[164:51]
Guest
The.
[164:51]
Matt
Distance. Between. Easter. Island. And. South. America. Is. About. Half. The. Distance. Between. Easter. Island. And. Hawaii.
[164:57]
Duncan
Yeah.
[164:58]
Matt
Isn't.
[164:58]
Duncan
That. Crazy.
[164:59]
Matt
That.
[164:59]
Duncan
Is.
[164:59]
Matt
So. Crazy.
[165:01]
Duncan
And. Yeah. So. Then. How.
[165:03]
Matt
Crazy. Is. It. How.
[165:04]
Guest
Much.
[165:04]
Matt
Of. This. Planet. Is. Under. The. Underwater.
[165:07]
Duncan
Oh. Man.
[165:08]
Matt
Oh.
[165:09]
Guest
Man.
[165:10]
Duncan
That's. So. Much. Of. This. Planet's. Underwater. And.
[165:14]
Matt
And. So.
[165:14]
Guest
Much.
[165:15]
Duncan
Is.
[165:15]
Matt
Unexplored.
[165:17]
Duncan
And. That's. Where. You. Know. In. The. Debate. With. Flint. That. Was. One. Of.
[165:20]
Matt
The.
[165:20]
Duncan
Things. That. In.
[165:21]
Matt
The.
[165:21]
Duncan
Aftermath. They. Got. Graham. And. To. Say. There. Was. No. Evidence. Evidence. No. Evidence. For. His. Lost. Civilization. Is. A. Sound. Bite. They. Throw.
[165:28]
Matt
Around.
[165:28]
Duncan
But. He. Was. Specifically. If. You. Read.
[165:30]
Guest
The.
[165:30]
Duncan
Transcript. Or. Watch. The. Video. He's. Specifically. Talking. About. Continental. Shelves. Africa. And. South. America. So. He's. Talking. About. Exactly. This. There's. You. Know. Submerged. There's. All. This. Land. Underwater. But. That. Sound. Bite. Has. Been. Clipped. Down. To. By. Flint. Himself. And. Others. It's. Been. Clipped. Down. To. Just. There's.
[165:47]
Guest
No.
[165:47]
Duncan
Evidence. For. What. For. What. He. Believes. The. Graham's. Just. Walking. Around. Talking. And. It's. Funny. That. Again. It's. Like. These. Guys. Are. Trying. To. Take. And. Package. This. Debunking. As. A. Almost. As. A. As. A. Product. And. They. Don't. Care. If.
[166:03]
Guest
They're.
[166:03]
Duncan
Lying. Or. Not. I. Mean. You. Could. Take. You. Could. Take. All. Kinds.
[166:07]
Guest
Of.
[166:07]
Duncan
People. Out. Of. Context. I. Don't. Know. If. You. Ever. Watched. Norm. Macdonald's. Comedy. At. All. But. Like. He. Has. This. Great. Bit. Where. He. Talks. About. Hitler's. Dog. And. He's. Like. You. Know. He's. Like.
[166:16]
Guest
Well.
[166:16]
Duncan
Nobody's.
[166:17]
Guest
Got.
[166:17]
Duncan
Cameras. On. Him. Right. Okay. And. Then. He. Goes. Into.
[166:19]
Matt
About. How.
[166:19]
Duncan
The. Dog. Would. Run. Up. To. Herman. Green.
[166:21]
Guest
Go.
[166:22]
Duncan
Hey.
[166:22]
Matt
Where's. Hitler.
[166:22]
Duncan
Where's. Hitler. And. Green. Would. Say. Oh. You. Know. He's.
[166:25]
Matt
Off.
[166:25]
Duncan
Doing. Some. Evil. He'll. Be. Back. And. He's.
[166:27]
Guest
Like.
[166:27]
Duncan
Well. You're.
[166:28]
Guest
All.
[166:28]
Duncan
Right. Green. But.
[166:29]
Guest
That.
[166:29]
Duncan
Adolf. Hitler. Was. The. Best. Man. Who. Ever. Lived. And. Things. Like. And. This. Is. Why. I. Didn't.
[166:34]
Guest
Want.
[166:34]
Duncan
You.
[166:34]
Matt
To.
[166:35]
Duncan
Have. Phones. Because. He. Clipped.
[166:36]
Guest
That.
[166:36]
Duncan
Out. And.
[166:37]
Matt
Now.
[166:37]
Duncan
It's. And. But. That's. That's. Exactly. What. They. Do. In. Order. To. Make. Their. Case. And. In. This. Day. And.
[166:42]
Guest
Age.
[166:42]
Duncan
Of. Clickbait. One. Minute. Long. Tick. Tocks. Don't. Get. Watched. All.
[166:47]
Guest
The.
[166:47]
Duncan
Way. Through. And. Come. On. Dude. You. Can. Just. Tell. People. Whatever.
[166:49]
Matt
The.
[166:49]
Duncan
Hell. You. Want. Show. Them. Half. A. Sentence. Okay.
[166:53]
Matt
Right.
[166:53]
Duncan
Next.
[166:55]
Guest
Right.
[166:55]
Duncan
Next.
[166:55]
Matt
Right.
[166:56]
Duncan
Consume. Nothing.
[166:57]
Matt
Get.
[166:57]
Duncan
Stupider. Next. Yeah.
[166:59]
Matt
Yeah. But. It's. Easy.
[167:01]
Duncan
To. See.
[167:01]
Matt
Like. With. The. With.
[167:02]
Duncan
The. Whole.
[167:02]
Matt
Chain. Of. Transmission. Of. The. Play. Doh. Story. It's. Very. Interesting. Right. Because. Like.
[167:07]
Guest
I.
[167:07]
Matt
Agree.
[167:08]
Guest
With.
[167:08]
Matt
You.
[167:08]
Duncan
Like.
[167:08]
Matt
There's. So. Many. More. Myths. Flood. Myths. That. Corroborate.
[167:11]
Guest
That.
[167:11]
Matt
That.
[167:12]
Guest
Are.
[167:13]
Matt
Run. Parallel. To.
[167:14]
Guest
The.
[167:14]
Matt
Atlantis. Story. That. Seem. To.
[167:15]
Duncan
Be.
[167:16]
Matt
Making. A.
[167:17]
Duncan
Pretty.
[167:17]
Matt
Strong. Connection. To. It. The. The. The. Plato. Account. Of. It. Is. Very. Interesting. Of. Like. How. Long. Like. There. Was.
[167:24]
Guest
Like.
[167:24]
Matt
A. Thousand. Years. Or.
[167:25]
Duncan
Something.
[167:26]
Matt
Of. Oral. Transmission. Of.
[167:27]
Duncan
That.
[167:27]
Matt
Story. Allegedly. Before. Somebody.
[167:31]
Duncan
Told.
[167:32]
Matt
It. To. The. Egyptian. Priestess. Who. Told. It. To. Solon. And. Then. Another. Few. Hundred. Years.
[167:36]
Guest
Before.
[167:37]
Matt
Plato. Ever. Got. It. And. Then. You. Have. Like. Every. Modern. Classical. Greek. Scholar.
[167:45]
Duncan
Who.
[167:45]
Matt
Studies. Greek. Texts.
[167:47]
Guest
And.
[167:47]
Matt
Studies. People. Like. Plato.
[167:49]
Duncan
And.
[167:49]
Matt
Socrates. And. All. These. People. They. All. Say.
[167:52]
Duncan
That.
[167:52]
Matt
Like. Plato. Was. A.
[167:53]
Duncan
Known.
[167:54]
Matt
Liar. And. He. Was. Coming. Up. With. Allegory. Allegorical. Stories. And. Stuff. Like. That. Like.
[168:00]
Duncan
The. Cave.
[168:00]
Matt
And.
[168:01]
Duncan
All.
[168:01]
Matt
That.
[168:01]
Duncan
Stuff.
[168:01]
Guest
And.
[168:01]
Matt
They.
[168:02]
Guest
Want. To.
[168:02]
Matt
Argue. That. Plato. Like. Was.
[168:04]
Guest
Most.
[168:05]
Matt
Likely. Just. Trying. To. Use. This. As. Like. An. Allegory.
[168:07]
Duncan
For.
[168:08]
Matt
Something.
[168:09]
Duncan
Right. I. Think. He. Was. But. Say. For. Instance. The. Allegory. That. I'm. I'm. Trying. To. Tell. You. The. West. Is. Falling.
[168:17]
Matt
And.
[168:17]
Duncan
I'm. Looking. For. An. Allegory. Do. I. Invoke. Harry. Potter. Or. Do. I. Invoke. Rome. And. Why. Because. One's. Real. And.
[168:25]
Matt
One's.
[168:25]
Duncan
Not.
[168:26]
Matt
Right.
[168:26]
Duncan
So. In. My. Mind. It's. Very. Solid. Evidence. That. At.
[168:29]
Matt
Least.
[168:29]
Duncan
Plato. And. His. Contemporaries. Believed. That. There. Was. Some. Lost. Civilization. To. A. Flood. Otherwise. His. Story. Would. Have. No. Teeth. But. I. Think. That. I. Do. Think. They're.
[168:39]
Matt
Right.
[168:39]
Duncan
That. Plato. Does. Lie. They. Need. To.
[168:41]
Matt
Be.
[168:41]
Duncan
Careful. Though. Because. They. Lump. It.
[168:43]
Guest
All.
[168:43]
Duncan
Together. Plato. Had. This. Noble.
[168:44]
Matt
Lie.
[168:45]
Duncan
He. Believed. That. It. Was. Good. To. Lie. To. The.
[168:47]
Matt
Plebs.
[168:48]
Duncan
So. That. They. Had. Esprit. De. Corps. They. Believed. That. They. Were. From.
[168:51]
Guest
The.
[168:51]
Duncan
Best. City. Around. He. Wasn't. Known. For. Just. Going. Around. Making. Bullshit. Up. Up. He. Was. He.
[168:57]
Matt
Was.
[168:58]
Duncan
He. Was. Known. For. Specific.
[168:59]
Guest
Lies.
[168:59]
Duncan
Right. Calculated. Lies. So.
[169:01]
Matt
I.
[169:01]
Duncan
Think.
[169:02]
Guest
He.
[169:02]
Matt
Even. Called. Himself. Like. A. Liar.
[169:04]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah.
[169:04]
Matt
Yeah.
[169:05]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah. That's. Yeah. He. Was. I. Don't. Have. A. Problem. With. Like. I. Say. That. Certainly. It. Was. Embellished. The. The. Fact. It. Has. Orich. Alchem. On. The. Walls. Which. Is. Like. A. Bronze. Type. Of. Weird. Bronze. Copper. Alloy. From. Back. Then. That. To. Me. Says. It. All.
[169:22]
Matt
I.
[169:22]
Duncan
Think.
[169:22]
Matt
That's.
[169:22]
Duncan
One. Of.
[169:23]
Matt
The. Reasons. Socrates. Didn't.
[169:24]
Duncan
Like.
[169:24]
Matt
To.
[169:24]
Duncan
Write.
[169:24]
Matt
Anything. Anything. Down.
[169:25]
Duncan
You.
[169:26]
Guest
Know.
[169:26]
Matt
Because. Writing. By. Its. Very. Nature. Can.
[169:28]
Duncan
Be.
[169:28]
Guest
So.
[169:28]
Matt
Deceptive. Especially. When. You're. Transmitting.
[169:30]
Duncan
It.
[169:30]
Matt
Across. Centuries.
[169:31]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah. Yeah. You. How. Much. Context. Is. Lost. I. Mean. The. Transcript. Of. This. Has. Me. Saying. That. Hitler. Was. The. Best. Man. So. I'm.
[169:43]
Matt
Yeah. We're. Never.
[169:44]
Duncan
Gonna.
[169:44]
Matt
Know. We're.
[169:45]
Duncan
Never. Gonna.
[169:45]
Guest
Know.
[169:45]
Duncan
The.
[169:45]
Matt
Truth.
[169:46]
Guest
No. I.
[169:47]
Matt
Agree. We.
[169:47]
Duncan
Can.
[169:47]
Matt
Scream.
[169:47]
Duncan
At.
[169:48]
Matt
Each. Other. On. Microphones. And. On. Twitter. For. The.
[169:49]
Guest
Rest.
[169:49]
Duncan
Of. The. Yes.
[169:51]
Matt
Until. We. Have. The. Chips. Tapped. Into. Our. Brains. And. We're. Living. In. Some. Sort.
[169:55]
Duncan
Of.
[169:55]
Matt
A. Weird. Metaverse. Simulation. We.
[169:58]
Duncan
Already.
[169:58]
Guest
Do.
[169:59]
Matt
Man.
[169:59]
Duncan
We. Can. Just.
[170:00]
Guest
Beat.
[170:00]
Matt
The. Out.
[170:00]
Guest
Of.
[170:00]
Matt
Each.
[170:00]
Guest
Other.
[170:00]
Matt
Digitally.
[170:05]
Duncan
Was. That. One. Episode. Of. Black. Mirrors. Where. The. Dudes. Go. To. Square. Off.
[170:07]
Guest
In.
[170:07]
Duncan
That. Game. And. Then.
[170:08]
Guest
They.
[170:08]
Duncan
Start. They're. Dude. And. Chick. In. The. Game.
[170:10]
Guest
But.
[170:11]
Duncan
In. Real. Life. It's. Two. Dudes. You've.
[170:12]
Matt
Seen.
[170:12]
Duncan
That. One.
[170:12]
Matt
Ah.
[170:13]
Guest
No.
[170:13]
Matt
I. Haven't. But.
[170:14]
Duncan
It's. Funny. They. Go. In.
[170:15]
Guest
There.
[170:15]
Duncan
And. They're. Like. It's. Had. A. Real. Life. Fighting. Game. And. Then. They. Start. And. Then. Oh.
[170:18]
Guest
My.
[170:19]
Duncan
God.
[170:19]
Matt
That's.
[170:20]
Duncan
So. Weird.
[170:21]
Matt
Hilarious.
[170:21]
Duncan
It's.
[170:22]
Matt
A. Weird.
[170:22]
Duncan
Episode. Man. That. Show. Is. Weird. Man.
[170:25]
Matt
Yeah. That.
[170:25]
Duncan
Was. A. Good.
[170:26]
Matt
Show.
[170:26]
Guest
Yeah.
[170:26]
Matt
A.
[170:26]
Duncan
Lot.
[170:26]
Matt
Of. It's. Coming.
[170:27]
Duncan
True.
[170:27]
Matt
Already.
[170:28]
Duncan
Max. Headroom. If. You.
[170:29]
Guest
Ever.
[170:29]
Duncan
Watch. That. One.
[170:30]
Matt
No.
[170:30]
Duncan
Max. Headroom. Was. A. Tv. Show. In. The. Eighties. It. Was. About. In. The. Future. Television. Own. Tv. Corporations. Own. Everything. The. Government's.
[170:41]
Matt
There.
[170:41]
Duncan
But. It's. Completely. Subservient. To. These. Television. Networks. They're. All. In. A. Battle. For. Ratings. And. This. One. Guy. Edison. Carter. He's. This. Reporter. Who's. Like. Undercover. Reporter. He. Does. All. These. Groundbreaking. Corruption. Stories. And. The. Network. He. Works. For. Loves. Him.
[170:57]
Matt
Because.
[170:57]
Duncan
He. Gets. Good. Ratings. But. They. Hate. Him. Because. He's. Always. Snooping. Into. Their. Shit. So. They. Download. His. Brain. And. Accidentally. Halfway. Kill. Him. He. Ends. Up. Surviving. But. They. Put. His. Brain. In. And. Make. A. Digitized. Version. Of. It. To. Go. Talk. To. The. People. And. Stuff. So. They. Don't. Lose. Their. Number.
[171:12]
Guest
One.
[171:13]
Duncan
Lead. And. I. Just. Did. That. To. A. Fruit. Fly. Right.
[171:17]
Matt
Right.
[171:17]
Duncan
You. Saw. That. Right. Where.
[171:18]
Guest
The.
[171:18]
Duncan
Fruit. Flies. Running. Around. The. Physics. Engine. Did. You. See. Oh.
[171:21]
Matt
Wait. No.
[171:22]
Duncan
Yeah. Dude. If. You. Could. Pull.
[171:25]
Matt
That.
[171:25]
Duncan
One. Up. It's.
[171:26]
Guest
Where.
[171:26]
Duncan
It's. Worth. Looking. At. See. If. It's. A. Video. Developed. Probably. A. Minute.
[171:29]
Matt
Or.
[171:29]
Duncan
Two. Long. It. They. Took. A. Fruit. Fly's. Brain. They. Sliced. It. Up. Like. Super. Tiny. Little. Things. And. They. Sequenced. It. And. Mapped. It. And. Put. It. Into. A. Computer. And. Like. Three. Years. Later. They. Digitized. That. Completely. And. Dumped. It. Into. Dump. That. Fruit. Fly. With. The. Brain. Into. A. Physics. Engine. And. It. Started. Walking. Around. Looking. For. Food. Cleaning. Itself. It. Yeah. You. Get. You. Get. This. Was. This. Was. Something. That's. It's.
[171:55]
Matt
Mind.
[171:55]
Duncan
Blowing. But. We're. There. Now. And. Like. I. Said. Man.
[171:57]
Matt
How. Recent.
[171:58]
Duncan
Was.
[171:58]
Matt
This.
[171:59]
Duncan
I. Think. They. Just. Did. This. Last. Year. This. Was. Super. Recent. That's. Not. The.
[172:03]
Guest
Only.
[172:03]
Duncan
Thing. Max. Headroom. Predicted. Like. They've. Got. Their. Their. Guns. Have. Ammunition. Or. Have. M. Sixteen. Excuse. Me. Their. Movies.
[172:12]
Matt
There. We.
[172:13]
Duncan
Go.
[172:13]
Matt
Researchers. This.
[172:14]
Duncan
Is. From.
[172:14]
Matt
Uc. Berkeley. Researchers. Simulate. An. Entire. Fly. Brain.
[172:18]
Guest
On.
[172:19]
Matt
A. Laptop. Is.
[172:20]
Guest
The. Human.
[172:20]
Matt
Brain. Next. By. Digitally. Mapping.
[172:22]
Guest
The.
[172:22]
Duncan
Whole.
[172:22]
Matt
Brain. Of.
[172:22]
Duncan
A.
[172:22]
Matt
Fruit. Fly. Scientists. Hope. To. Gain. Insight. Into. Human. Brain. Disorders. That's. The. Fruit. Flies. Brain.
[172:30]
Duncan
Right.
[172:30]
Matt
There. Wow.
[172:31]
Duncan
Grand. Green. Of. All. The. Neurons. Dude.
[172:33]
Matt
A. Three. D. Rendering. Of.
[172:35]
Duncan
All.
[172:35]
Matt
One. Hundred. Thirty. Nine. Thousand. Neurons.
[172:37]
Duncan
In.
[172:37]
Matt
The. Adult.
[172:37]
Guest
Fruit.
[172:38]
Matt
Fly.
[172:38]
Duncan
October.
[172:38]
Matt
Second. Twenty. Twenty. Four. So. Two. Years. Ago. Large. Team. Of. Scientists. Recently. Completed. The. Assembly. Of. A. Complete. Wiring. Diagram. For. The. Adult. Fruit. Fly. Brain. Oh. My. God. Fifty. Million. Connections. To.
[172:52]
Guest
One.
[172:52]
Duncan
Hundred.
[172:52]
Matt
Thirty. Nine. Thousand. Neurons.
[172:54]
Guest
In.
[172:54]
Matt
A. Computer.
[172:56]
Duncan
The.
[172:56]
Matt
Simulation. Can. Run.
[172:57]
Duncan
On. A.
[172:57]
Matt
Laptop.
[172:57]
Duncan
And.
[172:57]
Matt
Proved. Amazingly.
[172:58]
Guest
Good.
[172:58]
Duncan
At.
[172:58]
Matt
Predicting. How. The. Real. Fly. Brain. Responds. To. Stimuli. In. A. Paper. Published. Today. In.
[173:03]
Guest
The.
[173:04]
Matt
Journal. Nature. The. Same. Issue. In. Which. The. Fly. Brains. Wiring. Diagram. Or. What. Connectome. Is. Announced. Shu. A. Former. Postdoctoral. Fellow. At. The. University. Of. California. Berkeley. And. His. Colleagues. Report. That. The. Computer. Model. Accurate. Accurately. Predicts. The. Neurons. That.
[173:23]
Duncan
Will.
[173:24]
Matt
Be. Activated. In. The. Fly's. Brain. When. Taste.
[173:26]
Duncan
And.
[173:26]
Matt
Touch. On.
[173:26]
Duncan
Sensors.
[173:26]
Matt
Are. Stimulated. It's. Been. Unclear. How. The. Connections. Would. Be. Actually. Allow. Us. To. Predict. Neural. Activity. Said. Shu. Who. Now. Works. At.
[173:36]
Duncan
The.
[173:36]
Matt
Startup. Eon. That. Works. On. AI.
[173:39]
Guest
Approaching.
[173:40]
Matt
Models. Of. Connections. We.
[173:41]
Duncan
Now.
[173:42]
Matt
Now. We. And. Others. Have. Found. That. The. Connectome. Really. Does. Critically. Allow. Us.
[173:48]
Duncan
To.
[173:48]
Matt
Predict. And. Understand. How. The. Brain. Works. Well. Watch.
[173:51]
Guest
The.
[173:51]
Matt
Video. Yeah.
[173:52]
Duncan
That. This. This. Is. This. Is. Two. Years. Old. They. Just. This. Last. Year. Put. It. There. We. This. Let's. See. How. Much. This. Is. Yeah. They. They. Put. The. Just. This. Last. Year. Put. The. Whole. Thing. Into. A. Physics. Engine. Wow. And. Oh. Is.
[174:09]
Matt
There. Audio. Or. No.
[174:10]
Guest
No.
[174:11]
Matt
No.
[174:11]
Guest
Oh.
[174:11]
Matt
Okay.
[174:12]
Duncan
Yeah. If. If. You. Could. You. Could. You. Look.
[174:14]
Matt
Up.
[174:14]
Duncan
That. Fruit. Fly. Brain. With. Physics. Engine. Attached.
[174:17]
Guest
To.
[174:17]
Duncan
It.
[174:17]
Guest
Because.
[174:17]
Duncan
Or. Or. Physics. Because. They. Put. It. In. A. Physics. Engine. And. And. That. Was. Where. It. Really. Like. Oh. This. Is. What. Popped. Up. Okay. I. Got. Some.
[174:29]
Guest
Some.
[174:29]
Duncan
Papers. Yep. Is. This.
[174:31]
Guest
It.
[174:32]
Duncan
Virtual.
[174:32]
Matt
Library.
[174:34]
Duncan
Actually. If. You. Could. Find. Just. A. Quick. Video. I. Think. To. Be. Honest. With. You.
[174:37]
Matt
I.
[174:37]
Duncan
Think.
[174:38]
Matt
That. Video. Might.
[174:38]
Duncan
Have.
[174:38]
Matt
Been. It.
[174:39]
Guest
Right.
[174:39]
Duncan
No. What. About.
[174:40]
Matt
That. Top.
[174:40]
Duncan
Video.
[174:40]
Matt
Right. There.
[174:40]
Duncan
I. Recognize. It. How.
[174:42]
Matt
Old.
[174:42]
Duncan
Is. Yeah. This. Okay. Yeah. There. You. Go.
[174:44]
Matt
That.
[174:45]
Duncan
Was.
[174:45]
Matt
Twenty. Twenty. Six.
[174:45]
Duncan
Yeah. This. One.
[174:46]
Guest
This.
[174:46]
Duncan
Year. Just. Yeah. Just.
[174:47]
Guest
This.
[174:47]
Duncan
Is.
[174:48]
Matt
What.
[174:48]
Duncan
What.
[174:48]
Matt
Date. Was. It. Uploaded.
[174:49]
Guest
Just. Achieved. What. No.
[174:50]
Duncan
One.
[174:51]
Matt
Thought.
[174:51]
Guest
Possible.
[174:51]
Matt
Two. Months. Ago.
[174:52]
Guest
They.
[174:52]
Matt
Took.
[174:52]
Guest
The. Entire. Brain. Of.
[174:53]
Matt
A.
[174:53]
Duncan
Living. Every.
[174:55]
Matt
Single.
[174:56]
Guest
Neuron. Every. Connection. Every. Microscopic. Pathway. And. Uploaded.
[175:00]
Duncan
It.
[175:00]
Guest
Into. A. Computer. Now. Imagine. This. Digital. Brain. Not. As. A. Static. Diagram. Sitting. Idly. On.
[175:06]
Duncan
A. Hard.
[175:06]
Guest
Drive.
[175:07]
Duncan
But. As. A.
[175:07]
Guest
Living. Active. System. The. Moment. It. Woke. Up. Inside. The. Sim. Simulation. Something. Astonishing. Occurred. The. Virtual. Fly. Began. To. Sense. React. And. Even.
[175:17]
Duncan
Move.
[175:18]
Guest
Its. Tiny. Body. In. Ways.
[175:19]
Matt
That. Mirror.
[175:20]
Duncan
A.
[175:20]
Matt
Real.
[175:20]
Guest
Fly's. Behavior. It. Was. Tasting. Feeling. And. Responding. Almost. As. If. The. Brain. Had. Truly. Come. Alive. Scientists. Watched. With. Wide. Eyes. And. Held. Breaths. As. The. Digital. Neurons. Fired. In. Real. Time. Producing. Actions. They. Had. Only. Ever. Observed. In. Nature. And. Then. To. Truly. Appreciate. This. Breakthrough. We. Need. To. Understand.
[175:41]
Matt
What.
[175:41]
Guest
Made. It. Possible. And. How. Scientists. Achieved. It. Step. By. Step.
[175:46]
Matt
At. The.
[175:46]
Guest
Heart. Of. This. Achievement. Is. A. Concept. Called. The. Connectome. Essentially. The. Complete. Wiring. Diagram. Of. A. Brain. Brains. Are. Made. Up.
[175:54]
Matt
Of.
[175:54]
Guest
Billions. Of. Neurons. Connected. By. Trillions.
[175:57]
Matt
Of.
[175:57]
Guest
Synapses. Even. In. Tiny. Animals. The. Pattern. Of. Connections.
[176:01]
Duncan
Who.
[176:02]
Guest
Connects.
[176:02]
Duncan
To. Whom.
[176:03]
Guest
How. Strong. Those. Connections.
[176:04]
Matt
Are.
[176:05]
Guest
And. In. Which. Direction. Signals. Travel. Determines.
[176:08]
Matt
How.
[176:08]
Guest
The. Brain. Processes. Information. And. Generates. Behavior. To. Make. This. More. Relatable. Imagine. That. Every. Neuron. Is.
[176:16]
Duncan
A.
[176:16]
Guest
Person. In. A. Massive. Social. Network. And.
[176:18]
Matt
Each.
[176:18]
Guest
Synapse. Is. A. Connection. Or. Friendship. Between. Them. The. Unique. Pattern. Of. These. Friendships. Defines. The. Entire. Personality. Behavior. And. Capabilities. Of. That. Neuron. Network. Mapping. This. Network. Completely. Every. Neuron. And. Every. Connection. Is. What. Scientists. Call. Creating. A. Connectome.
[176:37]
Duncan
Wow.
[176:37]
Guest
It's.
[176:38]
Duncan
Like.
[176:38]
Guest
Producing. A. Detailed. Wiring. Diagram. For. The. Brain. For. Simple. Creatures. Like. The. Tiny. Worm. C. Elegans. Which. Has. Only. Three. Hundred. Two. Neurons. Mapping. The. Complete. Connectome. Was. Already. Accomplished. Decades. Ago. But. For. Animals. With. More. Sophisticated. Behaviors. Like. A. Fruit.
[176:55]
Matt
Fruit.
[176:55]
Guest
Fly. It. Has. Been.
[176:56]
Duncan
An.
[176:56]
Guest
Enormous. Decades. Long. Challenge. A. Fruit. Fly. Is. About. As. Small. As. A. Housefly. But.
[177:02]
Matt
Easier.
[177:02]
Guest
To. Handle. In. Laboratory. Conditions. Even. So. Its. Brain. Contains. Approximately. One. Hundred. Forty. Thousand. Neurons. And. Tens.
[177:11]
Duncan
Of.
[177:11]
Guest
Millions.
[177:11]
Matt
Of.
[177:11]
Guest
Connections. Capturing.
[177:13]
Duncan
All. Of.
[177:13]
Guest
These. In. Detail. Is. An. Extraordinary. Technical. Feat. To. Map.
[177:18]
Matt
The.
[177:18]
Guest
Fly's. Brain. Scientists. Used. Electron. Micro. Microscopes. Capable. Of. Producing.
[177:22]
Matt
Ultra.
[177:23]
Guest
High. Resolution. Images. Of.
[177:25]
Duncan
Very.
[177:25]
Guest
Thin. Brain. Slices. These. Microscopes. Can.
[177:28]
Duncan
Reveal. When. They. Put. It. Into. That. Physics. Engine. Walked. Around. They. Simulated. Dropping. Dust. On. It. And.
[177:39]
Guest
It.
[177:39]
Duncan
Cleaned. Itself. Like. It's. It's. Functioning. As. A. Fly. In. That. Physics. Engine. That. Was.
[177:47]
Guest
That.
[177:47]
Duncan
Was. Where. The. Difference. Between. Two. Years. Ago. And. Now. Is. They. Just. Just. I. Guess. Just. Earlier. This. Year. Even. Put. It.
[177:52]
Guest
In.
[177:52]
Duncan
That. Physics. Engine. And. That.
[177:53]
Guest
Was.
[177:54]
Duncan
Where. It. Went. From. Being. A. Mapped. Out. Brain. That. They. Could. Simulate. Little. Things. With. To. Just. Watching. It. Be.
[177:59]
Matt
Alive.
[178:00]
Duncan
And. There's.
[178:01]
Guest
A.
[178:01]
Duncan
Whole. Different. Level. Of. Holy. That's. So. Scary. Oh. Dude. Like. I. Said. You. Watch. Max. Headroom. Dude. It's. All. About. Again. It's. All. So. Fakes. And. Duplicity. And. And. There's.
[178:14]
Matt
A.
[178:14]
Duncan
Terrorist. Organization. In. One. Episode. That. Doesn't. Blow. It. Blows. Up. Things. And. Films. It. For. The. I. Was. Going.
[178:21]
Matt
To.
[178:21]
Guest
Say.
[178:21]
Duncan
The. Internet. For.
[178:22]
Matt
The.
[178:22]
Duncan
Tv. Networks. But. They. Always. Blow. Up. Things. That. Nobody. Are. At. They're. Just.
[178:26]
Guest
A.
[178:26]
Duncan
Fake. Terrorist. Organization. The. Whole. Thing. Is. Way.
[178:32]
Matt
Ahead.
[178:32]
Guest
Of.
[178:32]
Duncan
Its. Time. They've. Got. A. Place. Where. People. Go. They. Store. Their. Parts. Of. Their. Brain. And. You. Hope. That. Eventually. Attack. Will. Get. There. So. You. Donate. Money. To. This. Church. And. They've. Got. Out. There. Little. Face. Of. Your. Of. Your. Loved. One. That. You.
[178:43]
Matt
Can.
[178:43]
Duncan
Go. See. Say. A. Few. Words. To. It. But. You. Can't. Really. Talk. To. It. But. Hopefully. One. Day. They'll. Get.
[178:49]
Matt
The.
[178:49]
Duncan
Tech. And.
[178:50]
Matt
They.
[178:50]
Duncan
Don't. Have.
[178:50]
Matt
The.
[178:50]
Duncan
Tech. They. Don't. Even. Do. A. Good. Brain. Scan. Of. Your. Dead. Deceased. Relative. But. It's. It's. It's. A. Scam. The. Whole. The.
[178:56]
Matt
Whole.
[178:56]
Duncan
Show. Is. Is. Very. Dark. Very. Technologically. Scary. And. Very. Money. Oriented. Very. Much. About. Viewership. And. Ratings.
[179:05]
Guest
Are.
[179:05]
Duncan
Always. Battling. Over. The. Ratings. And. That. Of.
[179:07]
Guest
Sort.
[179:07]
Duncan
Like. The.
[179:07]
Matt
Big.
[179:07]
Guest
Thing.
[179:07]
Duncan
And. It. Has. To. Do. With. How. Much. Money. There's. Floating. It's.
[179:10]
Matt
It's.
[179:11]
Duncan
It's.
[179:11]
Guest
A.
[179:11]
Duncan
Dark. Show. That. Actually. Really. Like. Emulates. A. Lot. Of.
[179:14]
Guest
What.
[179:14]
Duncan
We. See. Today. If. This. Is.
[179:15]
Matt
Already. Public. I.
[179:16]
Duncan
Can. Only.
[179:16]
Matt
Imagine. What. The. Government's. Fucking. Doing. There. I'm.
[179:19]
Duncan
Sure.
[179:19]
Guest
They.
[179:19]
Matt
Have. Like. Kamikaze.
[179:20]
Guest
Bees.
[179:20]
Matt
Already. Fucking. Drawn.
[179:22]
Duncan
Up.
[179:22]
Matt
That. They're.
[179:22]
Guest
Going.
[179:22]
Matt
To. Have. Invade. Other.
[179:23]
Duncan
Countries. Probably. That's. Probably. Got. One.
[179:28]
Matt
Of.
[179:28]
Duncan
These. Physics. Engines. Where. They. Drop. Jeffrey. Epstein. And. Some. Random. Kid. And. They're. Assaulted.
[179:35]
Matt
Dude.
[179:35]
Duncan
Yeah. All. The. Simulation. Theory. With.
[179:37]
Matt
Me.
[179:37]
Duncan
Because. As. A. Skeptical. Guy. It's. Like. You. Know.
[179:40]
Guest
When.
[179:40]
Duncan
They. They. Do. The. Math. On. That. You're. Just. Like. Okay. It's. Like. If. We. Could. Create. A. Simulation. Where. Everything. That. Lives. In. That. Simulation. Was. Like. That. Fly. Thought.
[179:50]
Matt
It.
[179:50]
Duncan
Was. Real. How. Many. Will. We. Make. And. If. The. Answer. Is. Two. Or. Better. The. Odds. Just. Went. Way. Down. That. This.
[179:59]
Matt
Is.
[179:59]
Duncan
Real. World. And. Not. A. Fake. One. And. So. Like. When. You. Start. Looking. At. You're. Like. Well. If. We. Probably. Make. A. Few. Billion. You. We'd. Have. Some. For. Fortnite. And. We'd. Have. Some. For. So. It's.
[180:08]
Matt
Like.
[180:08]
Duncan
Oh. Man.
[180:09]
Matt
Yeah. The. Only. Thing. About. That. Is.
[180:11]
Guest
You.
[180:11]
Matt
Can't.
[180:12]
Duncan
Prove.
[180:12]
Matt
It.
[180:12]
Duncan
Or.
[180:12]
Matt
Disprove. It.
[180:13]
Duncan
And. It. Ultimately. Doesn't. Matter. It's. One. Of. The. Right. The. Three. Fundamental. Things. We. Have. To. Agree. On. In. Order. To.
[180:18]
Matt
Have.
[180:18]
Duncan
A. Meaningful. Conversation. We. Both. Exist. The. Universe. Exists. And. There's. Laws.
[180:22]
Matt
That.
[180:22]
Duncan
We. Can. That. The. Universe. Adheres.
[180:24]
Guest
To.
[180:24]
Duncan
We. Can.
[180:24]
Matt
One. Hundred.
[180:25]
Duncan
If. We. Disagree.
[180:26]
Matt
On. That.
[180:26]
Duncan
Maybe.
[180:26]
Guest
We're.
[180:27]
Duncan
All. Just. Figments. Of. My. Imagination. Man. Maybe. Maybe.
[180:29]
Matt
The.
[180:29]
Duncan
World's.
[180:30]
Guest
A. Flea. On.
[180:30]
Duncan
The. Back. Of. A.
[180:31]
Matt
Dog.
[180:31]
Duncan
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[180:31]
Matt
Okay.
[180:32]
Duncan
Right. It's. Worthless. Con.
[180:34]
Matt
Well. Dude. Thank. You.
[180:35]
Duncan
For.
[180:36]
Matt
Coming.
[180:36]
Guest
And. Doing.
[180:36]
Matt
This. Man. This.
[180:37]
Duncan
Has. Been. Super. Thank. You. For. Having. Me. Man. Dude. This.
[180:38]
Guest
Has.
[180:38]
Duncan
Been. Great. I. Really. Appreciate.
[180:39]
Guest
It.
[180:39]
Matt
Yeah.
[180:40]
Duncan
Man.
[180:40]
Matt
Of.
[180:40]
Duncan
Course. My.
[180:40]
Matt
Pleasure.
[180:40]
Guest
And.
[180:41]
Matt
We.
[180:41]
Duncan
Got.
[180:41]
Matt
To.
[180:41]
Guest
Do.
[180:41]
Duncan
It.
[180:41]
Matt
Again.
[180:42]
Duncan
Would. Love.
[180:42]
Guest
To.
[180:42]
Matt
Tell. People. About.
[180:43]
Duncan
Your.
[180:43]
Matt
YouTube. Channel. And. All. Your. Stuff.
[180:45]
Duncan
Online. My.
[180:46]
Guest
Name.
[180:46]
Duncan
Is. Dunking. That's.
[180:47]
Matt
Two.
[180:48]
Duncan
D's. Like.
[180:48]
Guest
My.
[180:48]
Duncan
Ex. D. E. D. U. N. K. I. N. G. I'm. On. Instagram. And. I'm.
[180:56]
Matt
On.
[180:56]
Duncan
Twitter. Mostly. On. YouTube. And. I. Talk. I.
[181:01]
Matt
A.
[181:01]
Guest
Lot.
[181:01]
Matt
Of.
[181:01]
Duncan
Times. I. Hold. The. Scientists. To. You. Know. The. Scientists. I.
[181:04]
Matt
Hold.
[181:04]
Duncan
Them. To. Account. A. Lot.
[181:05]
Guest
Of.
[181:05]
Duncan
Times. I'm. Just. Talking. About. Mysteries. And. Looking. Into. Stuff. I. Do. A. Lot. Of. Talks. Nowadays. I'm. Going. To. Be. Again. In. In. October. I. Believe. It's. The. Sixteenth. Or. Eighteenth. In. Austin. For. The. Quest. For. Ancient. Civilizations. Conference. And. That. Was. That's. Been. Pretty. Fun. There'll. Be.
[181:20]
Matt
A.
[181:20]
Duncan
Lot. Of. People. There. And. Not. Sure. Everybody. Yet. We're. Trying. To. Get. More. People. On. Board. But.
[181:24]
Matt
Is. Graham. Doing. That.
[181:25]
Guest
With.
[181:25]
Duncan
You. I. Don't. Think. Graham's. Ready. Yet. Because. He's. Still. Finishing. The. Book. Up.
[181:29]
Matt
Okay.
[181:30]
Duncan
But. I. Know. Billy. Carson. Will. Probably. Be. There. David. Childress. As. Mentioned. Earlier. Was. One.
[181:36]
Guest
Of.
[181:36]
Duncan
The. Elongated. Skulls.
[181:37]
Guest
Guys.
[181:37]
Duncan
From. Ancient.
[181:37]
Guest
Aliens.
[181:38]
Duncan
He's. Going. To. Be. There. There's. A. Few. Other. People. That. Are. Mike. Collins. Will. Probably. Be. There. I'm.
[181:43]
Matt
Not.
[181:43]
Duncan
One. Hundred. Percent. But. Yeah. The. Stuff. May. Change. Back. And. Forth. A. Little. Bit. Bit. As. Far. As. The. Roster. Goes. But. We're.
[181:50]
Matt
Trying.
[181:50]
Duncan
To. Get. More. And. More. People. On. Board. But. It'll.
[181:52]
Guest
Be.
[181:52]
Duncan
Fun. Those. Kinds. Of. Things. Are. Always. Enjoyable. Because. I've. Learned. That. People. That. Come. To. Watch. Me. At. An. Event. Like. That. They're. Not. They.
[181:59]
Matt
Can.
[182:00]
Duncan
Watch. Me. At.
[182:00]
Guest
Home.
[182:00]
Duncan
For. Free. With. No. Airfare. Sleep. In. Their. Own. Bed. And. Wear. Their. Underwear. When.
[182:04]
Guest
They.
[182:04]
Duncan
Watch. Me. Instead. They've. Come. To. Talk. To. Me. Really. Is. The. Thing. Or. Me. Or.
[182:09]
Matt
Other.
[182:09]
Duncan
People. There. The. People. That. Came. For. Me. Came.
[182:11]
Guest
To.
[182:11]
Duncan
Talk. To. Me. So. I've.
[182:12]
Guest
Been.
[182:12]
Duncan
Making. My. Myself. Way. More. Accessible.
[182:14]
Matt
And.
[182:14]
Duncan
Spending. Time. Listening. To. Theories. Whether. They're. Batshit. Crazy. Or.
[182:17]
Guest
Not.
[182:17]
Duncan
And. Communicating. If. I've. Got. A. Fan. I. Sit. Down. And. Shake. Their. Hand. And. Spend. Some. Time. Talking. To. Them. Because. I. Mean. I. Think. In. This.
[182:24]
Matt
Day. And.
[182:24]
Duncan
Age. That. We're. All. So. Distant. With. The. Screen. Separating. Us. We.
[182:28]
Guest
All.
[182:28]
Duncan
Forget. That. We're. All. Real. People. Here. We're. All. Sasquatch. Taint. To. Someone.
[182:33]
Matt
We're.
[182:33]
Guest
All. Sasquatch.
[182:34]
Duncan
Oh. Yeah. Again. I. Got. To. Say. That. One. I. Want. To. Debate. Dave. Farina. And. I. Know. That. He's. Going. To. Probably. Avoid. Doing. So. Because. He's. A.
[182:41]
Matt
Big.
[182:42]
Duncan
Pussy. And. He's. Afraid. Of. Me. And.
[182:43]
Matt
I.
[182:43]
Duncan
Understand. I. Wouldn't.
[182:44]
Matt
Well.
[182:44]
Duncan
Maybe. He.
[182:44]
Guest
Can. Maybe.
[182:44]
Matt
He. Can. Team. Up. With. Like. Flint. And. Go. Two. Versus. One. Or.
[182:47]
Duncan
Something. Yeah. That. Would. Be. Great. I. Don't. Think. Flint. Will. Ever. Ever. Ever. Debate. Me. He's. Looked. For. So. Many. Ways. Out. Every. Time. And. You. Know. He. He.
[182:56]
Guest
Can.
[182:56]
Duncan
Call.
[182:57]
Guest
Me.
[182:57]
Duncan
All.
[182:57]
Guest
The.
[182:57]
Duncan
Names.
[182:57]
Guest
In. The.
[182:57]
Duncan
Book.
[182:58]
Matt
But.
[182:58]
Duncan
If. I. Call. Him. One. Back. Then. He's. You. Know. And. That's.
[183:02]
Guest
One.
[183:02]
Duncan
Of. The.
[183:03]
Guest
Things.
[183:03]
Duncan
On. Twitter. I. Should.
[183:03]
Guest
Point.
[183:03]
Duncan
Out. Out. Is. It. I. Worked. Construction.
[183:05]
Matt
For.
[183:05]
Guest
A.
[183:05]
Duncan
Long. Time. Man. So.
[183:06]
Matt
If.
[183:06]
Duncan
We're.
[183:06]
Guest
Having.
[183:07]
Duncan
A. Conversation. Everything's. Going. Chill. That's. Cool. But.
[183:09]
Matt
The.
[183:09]
Duncan
Minute.
[183:09]
Matt
You.
[183:09]
Duncan
Like. Change. It. Into. Insults. And. Stuff. I'm.
[183:11]
Guest
Like.
[183:11]
Duncan
I. Don't. Got. Time.
[183:12]
Matt
For.
[183:12]
Duncan
This. And. I'm. Not. Going. To. Be. Like. You're. Amino. Shut. Up. And. Go. Away. I'm. Talk. To. You. Like. You're. On. A. Job. Site. I. Love. It.
[183:19]
Matt
Bro.
[183:19]
Duncan
Me. Too. Well. Thanks. Again.
[183:21]
Matt
Yep. We'll. Link. All. Your. Stuff. Below.
[183:22]
Duncan
Awesome. Appreciate. Folks.