#414 - “Nephilim DNA” Knights Templar, Rothschilds & The True Satan | Gary Wayne

Summary

Danny Jones Podcast #414 — “Nephilim DNA: Knights Templar, Rothschilds & The True Satan” ft. Gary Wayne
Date: July 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this eye-opening, speculative conversation, Danny Jones welcomes biblical researcher and author Gary Wayne (“The Genesis 6 Conspiracy”) for a three-hour exploration of the shadowy intersections between ancient biblical texts, prehistory, secret societies, and the ruling elite. The pair dive into the meaning and legacy of giants (Nephilim), the persistence of polytheistic beliefs, technological cycles, and how modern power structures relate to ancient bloodlines. Wayne weaves together biblical scripture, Gnostic tradition, historical genealogy, and occult lore, aiming to reconstruct a hidden history that shapes the present and warns of the End Times.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gary Wayne’s Books and Mission

• Wayne summarizes his three books, combining biblical research, secret society history, and fiction to illustrate how ancient prophecies and bloodlines shape current affairs ([00:44–04:26]).
• Quote: “What we want to do is create an interesting novel to give people a better understanding... as the last seven years approach and start, [the character] Becky’s the intermediary.” — Gary Wayne [03:03]
• Key idea: Understanding ancient cycles and prophecies provides a roadmap for interpreting contemporary “disclosures” (e.g., about aliens, AI, secret power structures).

2. Genesis 6, Giants, and Prehistory

• Wayne describes his path from skepticism to researching end-time prophecy and giants in the Bible, especially in Genesis 6 ([06:04–10:04]), sparked by reading Hal Lindsay’s “The Late Great Planet Earth.”
• Quote: “As you do that, you run across very quickly in Genesis 6 about something really crazy that I thought at the time, which was giants.” — Gary Wayne [08:51]
• Parallels are drawn between biblical, Sumerian, Greek, and other mythologies: Gilgamesh, Deucalion, Utnapishtim, and others represent the same flood and giant-survival motif ([11:22–28:40]).
• Wayne views the consistency of these myths as evidence of a shared historical event and a global legacy ([43:07]).

3. Polytheism vs. Monotheism and Their Historical Rivalry

• Definitions and distinctions: Monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) vs. polytheism (multiple gods, as in Kabbalah or mystical sects) ([11:52–14:31]).
• Polytheism’s dualistic worldview: perpetual cycles of good and evil, as opposed to the biblical notion of a final end to evil.
• “The Bible is the most preternatural book ever written.” — Gary Wayne [15:16]

4. Floods, Bloodlines, and Civilizational Continuity

• Analysis of flood narratives and their key figures (Noah, Deucalion, Utnapishtim), emphasizing the preservation and re-establishment of “giant” (demigod) bloodlines ([24:02–28:56]).
• Giants described as literal beings, with cited sizes from sources (e.g., Gilgamesh, Goliath, Og), often deriving power or legitimacy from their bloodlines ([32:17–40:42]).
• Corroboration between ancient religious texts is seen as overwhelming: “It is inexplicable, mathematically not probable in any sort of way ... that you could have these same antediluvian stories all around the world.” — Gary Wayne [42:45]

5. Ancient Technology, Corruption, and Genetic Manipulation

• Before the Flood, advanced technology and genetic manipulation (“Chimera technology”—the splicing of genes, depicted in myth as hybrid creatures) corrupted all flesh but not the sea ([46:09–48:49], [55:43–59:53]).
• Wayne speculates that lost technological knowledge was preserved and transmitted through secret societies, Freemasonry, and Gnostic traditions ([50:23–55:42]).

6. Secret Societies, Bloodlines, and Control Systems

• The Knights Templar, Freemasonry, and other societies are described as inheritors of this “hidden knowledge.” Only high-degree initiates (adepts) gain access to real secrets, often justified by claims of elite bloodline descent ([79:00–87:10]).
• The world’s ruling class (European royal houses, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.) are theorized to track their genealogies back to Nephilim/giants ([89:33–117:27]).
• Coats of arms and hereditary traits are used as evidence of such continuities.

Notable Quotes:

• “To become an adept, you have to be of the bloodlines of the gens...” — Gary Wayne [85:51]
• “The US was created to bring about the end time.” — Gary Wayne [87:15]
• "King Charles, he was crowned king twice...and they swear their oath to a specific God. So when King Charles swore an oath, he may not have been swearing to the God of the Bible as most people think. He will swear an oath back to his genealogical celestial mafia godfather." — Gary Wayne [89:33–90:59]

7. Modern Power, AI, and the End Times

• Wayne suggests that technological acceleration (e.g., AI) has been prophesied as part of the coming End Times system—a repeat cycle from prehistory ([143:10–147:09]).
• He expresses skepticism over tech leaders’ motives in adopting Christianity ([145:11–146:41]).
• Quote: “There is no such thing as good AI once it becomes a being, a sentient being, which is the ultimate goal. To make it all knowing and thinking—Like a God. It has no need for us.” — Gary Wayne [146:41]

8. Israel, Geopolitics, and Prophecy

• Wayne addresses conspiracy theories linking Israel, the Rothschilds, and modern wars to prophetic end-times plans ([150:46–156:53]).
• He stresses the complexity of Jewish and Christian sects and warns against simplistic, conspiratorial readings, while acknowledging that many elites wish to “speed up” End Times prophecy.

9. Aliens, Portals, and Interdimensionality

• Wayne equates ancient accounts of giants/“elementals” (e.g., reptilians, grays, mantis beings) with modern UFO and alien abduction narratives ([158:37–178:50]).
• He suggests that much of the alien phenomenon is interdimensional (not intergalactic) and closely reflects ancient lore and the concept of portals (e.g., dolmens, gates of Hades).
• Quote: “These are all creatures out of prehistory, offspring of the gods. ... I look at the common denominator and then I see them show up in the alien disclosures.” — Gary Wayne [178:50]

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Notable Timestamps & Moments

• 00:44–04:26 — Introduction to Wayne’s research and books
• 06:04–10:08 — Wayne’s journey from skepticism to obsession with Genesis 6 and prophecy
• 14:35 — End times compared: Revelation & Age of Aquarius
• 24:27–28:56 — The giant-survival motif; Deucalion, Prometheus, Hercules
• 32:18–40:49 — Historical sources/records of giants (Gilgamesh, Goliath, Josephus)
• 43:07 — Ancient, cross-cultural stories as corroboration
• 46:13–48:49 — “Corruption of DNA” in the pre-Flood era; ancient high technology
• 55:42–59:53 — Secret societies as preserver/transmitter of knowledge
• 79:00–87:10 — Adept-level Freemasonry; Templar lore; symbolic meaning of bloodlines
• 89:33–90:59 — Royal oaths, bloodlines, and “celestial mafia godfathers”
• 127:16–130:00 — Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and the global banking system
• 143:10–147:09 — AI as a prophesied beast system in Revelation
• 158:37–161:57 — 1947, Roswell, and Admiral Byrd: pivotal events for “the end times”
• 165:11–178:50 — Modern aliens, elementals, and the continual presence of “giants”
• 184:58–187:19 — Closing remarks, books, and Wayne’s invitation to research

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Memorable Quotes & Exchanges

• “It is inexplicable, mathematically not probable in any sort of way...that you could have these same antediluvian stories all around the world.” – Gary Wayne [42:45]
• “These are armies of angels or gods, and they have rank and order...so as ones might be sent to the pit prison, other ones would move up to replace them.” – Gary Wayne [23:14]
• “To become an adept, you have to be of the bloodlines of the gens...If you’re a freemason that’s below 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite, you know nothing, you’re still considered like us, mundane.” – Gary Wayne [85:51]
• “There is no such thing as good AI once it becomes a being, a sentient being ... To make it all knowing and thinking—Like a God. It has no need for us. And we become competitors in the evolution of AI to AI.” – Gary Wayne [146:41]
• “The US was created to bring about the end time.” – Gary Wayne [87:14]
• “You are connecting so many dots and threading so many needles here, man. It’s hard to keep up, but it’s fascinating.” – Danny Jones [185:02]

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Takeaways, Tone, and Approach

• The conversation maintains a lively, at times conspiratorial but earnest tone. Danny plays the inquisitive skeptic, while Wayne expansively and sincerely knits together scripture, myth, and modern events.
• The core theme is cyclical: what was, will be again. Modern events are interpreted as echoes or fulfillments of ancient patterns (DNA, knowledge, technology, secret societies).
• The historicity of giants/Nephilim links ancient privilege to modern elites, who are seen as deliberately steering humanity toward End Times scenarios—sometimes through the use or abuse of forbidden knowledge (AI, weapons, genetics).
• Recurring motifs: secret knowledge, closed bloodlines, encoded symbolism, cyclical destruction (flood/fire), and the ultimate battle for spiritual and earthly sovereignty.

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Resources

• Gary Wayne’s website: genesis6conspiracy.com
• Primary books: "The Genesis 6 Conspiracy" (Parts 1 & 2), “The Oprimo Conspiracy: AI's Covenant with Babylon”
• Further reading suggested by Wayne: Book of Enoch, Epic of Gilgamesh, Ugaritic texts, Gnostic gospels

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This episode is a sprawling, speculative tapestry connecting Old Testament literalism with the esoteric histories of the world’s ruling class, secret societies, and technological prophecy, intended both as a warning and an invitation for listeners to question and research the strangeness lurking in the shadows of official history.

Transcript

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[Danny]

Pleasure to meet you, Gary Wayne. Thanks for coming.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, thank you for inviting me and so happy to be with you. Very much looking forward to the conversation and hopefully and if we do our jobs right, maybe we'll raise more than a few eyebrows with your audience.

[Danny]

I think that could be likely. You got all your beautiful books here laid out for us. So the Genesis 6 conspiracy, is that your first. First book?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, this is book one.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And it's subtitled How Secret Societies and the Descendants of Giants Plan to Enslave Humankind. Book two is more specifically for Christians because they wanted me to take the research that I did with this and go deeper into the Bible.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And so it's subtitled How Understanding Prehistory and Giants Helps to Define End Time Prophecy. This is the third book that just came out in April, now available on Audible or at least it should be up today or yesterday. That was the date as Amazon had set. And this is a book that is a novel versus research. And I co author with my publisher who wanted to take my research both in prehistory and end time prophecy and take that more mainstream so to a larger market, which is the fiction market. So we've created a narrative about how the end time might come about using my research in eschatology based on where we are today in and how AI is going to affect it. So the book is called the Oprimo AI's Covenant with Babylon.

[Danny]

Who's this beautiful lady with the hijab around her face?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And the crazy eyes. Right, the orange eyes.

[Danny]

Yeah, she has some wild looking eyes.

[Gary Wayne]

Her name is Becky Rebecca. Becky for short. She's one of the main characters in the book and she is the one who is going to be an intermediary in terms of how you get the message from the throne room of God down to the earth. And so as the book opens up with the seals and Jesus opening the seals, she's going to be the one to sort of let how do the people of the earth understand what's going on as the last seven years approach and start? So she's the intermediary. The reflection that's in her eyes, it's not her eye color. She would have distinct colors. When people know my Research. But the color is a reflection of a flame or an orange color.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And so she's reflecting the flame of the Holy Spirit, who is guiding her and helping her. And she is one of two flames that we cover in the book, which is rather unique for Christians because we look at it from a perspective that everything that is talked about in the Bible, the spurious forces are going to counterfeit. So there's going to be two flames. There's going to be a holy flame and a counterfeit flame from the polytheist side. And so they'll be competing as they compete through the visible ones that are on the earth. So it's quite a concept. And we wrap all of the characters in with bloodlines and history that go back into prehistory. And we place them, particularly the spurious side or the polytheicide, we place them into not just genzas and bloodlines, but into secret societies that they're representing as they're working together.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. It's a completely different take. And what we want to do is create an interesting novel to give people a better understanding. Because if you think about how the end time comes about from whether or not it's a monotheist perspective or a polytheist perspective, it's like a phone book. It is. The second book's slightly smaller. I only promised that it'd be a little bit smaller when I did book two, which I did do. It's only 700 and some odd pages.

[Danny]

700 pages.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So. And one of the premises of my research is that if one really wants to understand from a polytheist side or a monotheist side, how the end time is going to come about, that's talked about in both belief systems all around the world and all of the religions around the world, you have to understand prehistory because it's following a cycle of time. No matter how you look at how it's described, it's a procession. It is the Age of Aquarius, with the water bearer starting in terms of the polytheistic side with the destruction by. By fire. It's the end of the age, as the Bible describes it, also destroyed by fire. The differences in the lenses as to how the religious aspects look at it differ from only that particular biases of the lens. So in other words, from multiple or pantheon of gods or a singular God, and nuanced in terms of how the outcome is played out, and depending on which side you are as a proponent, you're going to see that a little bit differently. But understand they're talking about the same events. And that's the point of my research, is that this is a common legacy, common history, and a common destiny that we're all going to go through, and we're going to see it through different lenses. And the more we learn about it is gonna be key to helping us make our decisions, particularly as we get into the age of disclosure that's so popular on the Internet today.

[Danny]

So what, what initially led you down this path and got you so interested in this stuff?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, this sounds like crazy stuff at first blush. And at that time it was even more crazy in terms of what my perspective would have been. And I got into it rather innocently. I was, you know, 20 and it was a Friday night and I have a brother and he brought over a friend and we're deep into the beers and one of them brings up, and I don't know which one, as my memory recalls at this point in time, but they started talking about things like the false prophet and Antichrist. And I thought they were just crazy, but it's beer nights. So then one of them said, we have a challenge for you. And I said, well, what was the challenge? And they said, well, if you have enough courage, you have a book for you to read. And I thought, well, you know, I'm not afraid of anything. I'm not going to back down. I have no idea what book it's going to be. And it certainly wasn't the book I thought it might be. And so it was a book called the Late Great Planet Earth by a fellow by the name of Hal Lindsay, who was a prophetic writer in the 60s, 70s and 80s and just recently died. And so I read it and I wasn't familiar with end time prophecy, but it scared the socks off of me. So I wanted to verify whether or not what Hal was writing was accurate. Was he embellishing it?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Was there any truth to it? And I thought, Even if there's 10% truth to it, I probably need to find a little bit more about it. But the only way you can verify it is you have to start reading the Bible. And that's not an easy read. And it was not easy for me to read. And I ended up getting a modern translation because the Baconian English just sort of made my mind go to mush and nothing was sinking in in. And I know, as I later understood, is I would need to understand other Bible translations if I'm going to communicate. So Christians like to communicate, for the most part, in the KGV or the King James Version Bible. So you have to become fluent in terms of the translations of each, which is a fairly large task. But I decided I wanted to verify and understand and be able to communicate to people whether this was true or not. So I started reading the Bible and I got hooked on it, and particularly all the prophecy narratives and then all this other stuff about prehistory that I was not understanding and I needed to. As I was going through my research, I was going to learn to make more notes about things. So what I would do is I would log each of the prophetic narratives, which I start with highlighters because I'm kind of a rube at this, at that point in time. And you run out of colors, I get more colors. You run out of colors. So this is before. It wasn't before the age of computers, but they weren't very common when I started the research. And so I started to handwrite all of the different passages and the main points into files of the different prophecy narratives. And as you do that, you run across very quickly in Genesis 6 about something really crazy that I thought at the time, which was giants. But it resonated with me as well because I was also.

[Danny]

Genesis is the beginning, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Genesis 6 is at the beginning, the sixth chapter of the first book. And I wasn't a Christian at this point in time. I had left Christianity, I was baptized, but I would become completely secular. Evolution, all of it. But I was also a history and a mystery buff and I read significant books about these topics when I was young. And I understood a lot of the mythologies, like the Greek mythology, like the Egyptian mythology, like the Sumerian mythology. And I understood there was a relationship here which was going on In Gen. Genesis 6 with other accounts that I was already aware of. But I was shocked. The Bible is talking about this, right?

[Danny]

And way after other accounts of it are recorded, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, technically, yes, but that comes from a dating which is accurate in terms of how people would label that, but not perhaps accurate in terms of how it comes about. So if you're looking at, for example, Sumerian accounts of the Flood and the Epic of Gilgamesh, and that he's 2/3 God and one third human, just as Enkidu is, and that he is created after the flood as sixth generation son of King Lugal Banda and the fertility goddess Nin or Ninsun, depending on which translation that you're looking at, this is a post diluvian creation of a giant that is also encapsulating as you get further into the Epic of Gilgamesh and into the tablets, the Flood story. And the oldest copy we have of that on those stone ones is about 2150 BC. But you have partials that go back even further. Now, the Bible comes down to us in the time of Moses. So depending on when one is going to time, when Moses comes, that's going to be somewhere from about 1450 down to 1200, depending on whose timing for that history that you're going to talk about.

[Danny]

The Bible.

[Gary Wayne]

No, Moses account.

[Danny]

Oh, Moses first account. Okay, yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

In terms of. He was provided the first five books from God.

[Danny]

Right, I see what you're saying.

[Gary Wayne]

So the dating has to be older than that. From the timing that Moses receives the first five books, which includes Genesis. And so, yes, you have a dating in the polytheist versions that are older. Is the story older? Likely not, because it's being provided at that time and it's telling the same event.

[Danny]

Okay. So we don't confuse people. Can you define what you're talking about when you say the polytheists?

[Gary Wayne]

A polytheist is somebody who believes in multiple gods. A monotheist believes in one God. Now in.

[Danny]

So you're talking about Christianity.

[Gary Wayne]

I'm talking about Christianity, Islam and Judaism. But the monotheist aspects of Christianity, the monotheist aspects of Islam, the monotheist aspects of Judaism. What do I mean by that? So in Judaism, you have sort of the Orthodox Judaic, conservative belief system, and then you have the polytheist one, which is the Kabbalah or the mystical side or the Ascenic side, one being Egyptian, one being Babylonian in its roots, in terms of how it comes into Judaism. But that is worshiping a pantheon of gods, of angels that rebelled. So biblically, we understand these as angels and gods. They're understood as a pantheon of gods in the polytheist religions. And you're going to have groups of polytheist gods before the flood, after the flood, and a hierarchy of those gods, just as you would have that in the Bible with the Saba, or the host of heaven, which is an army of angels. There's a loyal side and a disloyal side. And so we look at that from a polytheist lens as the typical dualism of good versus evil. But polytheism has a dualism that's macro and micro. Micro is good versus evil within the religion. So black magic, white magic, good giants, evil giants, as we know today, white hats, black hats. But that type of imagery versus their macro, which raises their supreme God and goddess up to a level of being Equal with the God of the Bible and that there's this perpetual ongoing battle between good and evil. Now they're going to look at themselves as the good and the children of light. And the monotheists look at ourselves the same way. But in the polytheist perspective, that battle never ends. There's just more games going on. The image that they might put out there is Satan and God having a chess match. And when the chess match game ends, they start another one. It goes over and over and over. It never completely ends. In a monotheist version, you have that same history, the same players, but there is an end where evil disappears.

[Danny]

Got it. And when does that. And that's. That's what you're talking. That's the. The.

[Gary Wayne]

The end of the Revelation. Yeah, the end of the age. Revelation, end times or the Age of Aquarius, as we would understand.

[Danny]

I just read the Bible for the first time and I'm reading it backwards. Yeah, I started with Revelation and it sent me for a spiral.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, it is something that is undescribable if people haven't read it in terms of what it talks about, the imagery and it. And the thing that I've been educating Christians on since I came onto the public forum about 10 years ago now, probably closer to 11, is the Bible is the most preternatural book ever written.

[Danny]

The most what?

[Gary Wayne]

Preternatural.

[Danny]

What does that mean?

[Gary Wayne]

Supernatural.

[Danny]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, totally. Yes, totally agree.

[Gary Wayne]

And we should not ever, as a Christian, walk away from that. The polytheists celebrate preternatural activity and supernatural activity. We should not be ashamed as to what the Bible describes and we should be prepared to defend that.

[Danny]

Yeah, it sounds like. And Giorgiani told me that the. The guy who wrote. The dude who wrote Revelation was like tripping his balls off.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, this fellow, his name is John.

[Danny]

On an island.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well, he. Yeah, he's from Patmos and he is obviously a disciple. Some people think it's actually John, one of the original disciples with Jesus. He writes at about between 90 and 100 AD by historical sort of writings and settings versus speculation that's out there. So it could be. We're not sure who John of Patmos is, but that he's at least an impossible, possibly the disciple. Jesus loved that. People would also describe John as. Who would be selected to be around for the end time, along with other disciples that Jesus promised that to. I have passages for people if they want to get a hold of me on that. But John is taken in vision to heaven. It's kind of like the Ezekiel vision that the alien mythos group likes to have in Ezekiel 1, 3 and 10, where the chariot of gods and that whole movement with the chariot of God, that's in the book of Ezekiel. And so he's taken to heaven and he's going to be shown a vision by an angel that is the testimony of Jesus. So Jesus is providing this vision for John to write down for the end time.

[Danny]

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[Gary Wayne]

and well, yes, John Jesus will be there, but it's going to be an angel that's going to be presenting the vision to him. So another angel, likely an archangel as we would understand it, one like a Gabriel or a Mich. And I say that just deliberately where I have a El. Yeah.

[Danny]

Why do you say it like that?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, because in angelic names they end with a Hebrew word word which is El, which is defined as an angel or a God. And so if you have an angel that is in polytheism, like Ariel, could be one that's loyal, could be one that's disloyal. But we don't have that name in the Bible. We only get two real names for the angels. Gabriel. There's two other ones like Raphael and Uriel and the apocrypha but that's not sort of standard canon, so that's why I limit it to that. But Ariel means lion of God, or God's lion. Right. Ariel would be like a God who has a face of a lion, just as a seraphim angel has the face of a serpent with six wings. And if that sounds familiar from a polytheist perspective, most of the pantheons are made up of dragon gods or serpent face gods, and other ones like cats or lions. So like Nergal out of the Sumerian pantheon, is depicted as a lion's head and a human body. It would be coming out of the cherubim class, which has actually four different faces, and it would take a face of one when it made itself into a physical presence. Because angels have a capability of turning from spirit into a physical presence. And we get that biblically in a number of chapters. But for the Christians that might be out there, who are going to check me on it, just bear with me on this. Hebrews 13, where we're told to be kind to strangers, lest we come across an angel unaware so they can be in a physical form and unknown. In the Sodom and Gomorrah narrative, just before Jehovah of the Elohim, Lord God, as it is in the Bible, takes a physical body, and he goes with two angels that take a physical body. Abraham, whom they're going to meet, doesn't recognize them first as preternatural beings, but as men, and then understands their men, and they eat, drinks, physically interact, and then those two angels go off to Sodom and Gomorrah afterwards, who they're recognized as angels as well, and they want to have sex with them for depending on your perspective, what kind is it to produce more giants? Or is it to have homosexual sex? Because we're not told exactly what the sex is. And an angel can take a form of a female or a male, just as you see the pantheon populated by male gods, let's say. Like, I'll do a safe pantheon because there's one mother goddess that's got a terrorist name attached to it. So let's go.

[Danny]

What was that name?

[Gary Wayne]

I don't want to have taken down or have YouTube.

[Danny]

Don't worry about it. It won't happen.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, it's the consort of Osiris.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay.

[Danny]

Isis.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. So, and so that would be a male God and a female goddess, and she would be understood as one of the queens of heaven. Those are offspring gods versus the parent gods. From a Christian perspective, we would know that as BAAL And Anat after the flood. The main gods of the ugaritic text that talks about the creation of the Rephaim after the flood. And the parent gods before the flood would be Ashtaroth and El. El as an angel or a God, but that was the name of their chief God. Parent gods ruled before the flood. Offspring gods rule after the flood. So BAAL succeeds El and those gods, the parent gods, were killed by the offspring gods. So you can't kill something that's immortal. So they go to a pit prison, as we understand that in the religious text, or the abyss prison that Revelation 9 is talking about with, with beings that are released in the end time. These are also the parent gods. Not only are there, but also the offspring gods who create giants and do the same violations again after the flood. They go there, but that doesn't mean they're not ruling the earth today. As I mentioned, these are armies of angels or gods, and they have rank and order. So as ones might be sent to the pit prison, other ones would move up to replace them. And they would rule from what is known in polytheism and monotheism as the council of the gods who rule this earth until the end time is played out.

[Danny]

So this flood narrative, when do you think that this flood could have happened historically?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, I would say for the record, there's likely more than one flood.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

But there's only one great flood.

[Danny]

Like the most recent one that these texts are talking about are probably talking about the same flood, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

In so many different texts.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, that's the thing. It, like with the giants, like with pyramids, like with so many other things, you have the same accounts, and in this case, the flood and the creation of the giants, that is in all religions, all around the world. It's on all continents, all around the world.

[Danny]

We also have figures that are described in correlation with this flood. Like we have Noah.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

We have Quet Koatl. And then we have what is it? Enki or Enlil.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, those Are you described two offspring gods and Noah, or was it Deucalion Was the one. Well, Deucalion is the Greek version.

[Danny]

Deucalion is the Greek version.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. And Pyrrhus is Deucalion's wife. Deucalion is not Noah. Deucalion would be more equivalent to Utnapishtim.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

The figure that, that Gilgamesh is talking about. Let me just sort of get this because it gets confusing for people who aren't familiar with the information. Deucalion is the son of Prometheus. Prometheus.

[Danny]

Yes, that's correct.

[Gary Wayne]

The son of Prometheus and he's a God. Right. And so Deucalion is a giant or a hero in the Greek or earthly Titan. This is the same story as Genesis 6, where the sons of God create giants, or Nephilim as their said in plural, through human females. It's the same story. And so Deucalion and Pyrrha, with him being son of Prometheus, is a giant survival story versus a human survival story. Gilgamesh, as I said, is 2/3 God, 1/3 human. In Greek mythology they're called demigods, which in the ancient term means the offspring of the gods and a human female. So just as Zeus after the flood creates Hercules from the female Alcmene, that's a post diluvian giant versus an antediluvian giant. Antediluvian before the flood. Post diluvian after the flood for the terminology that I'm talking about here. And there's two different records, but you have to understand this important piece of prehistory to understand how the linear nature of history goes forward through the gods and the flood event, because it's a standard all around the world. Right. So in the Epic of Gilgamesh, he's talking about Utnapishtim, who's 2/3 God and one third human. He's the ultimate perfect giant and all of his family are giants to survive the flood, to restart giants, he's the Noah. He's the Noah, but not a human Noah, a giant like Noah. So on the macro level, and just

[Danny]

to clarify, the, the, the ancient Greek Noah was Deucalion. Deucalion, yes. Right. And the story is Prometheus is the one that brought fire and technology to humankind. Zeus wanted to flood the work, the flood the earth. And, and essentially Prometheus was the one who wanted to save humanity from Zeus.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, that would be a little bit exaggerating in terms of Prometheus role, but he did provide knowledge that Zeus didn't want to have out. That would be accurate. Zeus is a offspring God. The God that would be before the flood would be Uranus or Kronos as the parent God and Gaia would be the mother goddess. So Zeus inherits the mythos as the chief God of the Greeks after the flood. So it's kind of a retelling of the history through these gods. They inherit the position and the mythos. So there would be a separate, just on the stickler point, there'd be a separate individual before the flood that would be providing the knowledge to humans. And biblically, you might look at that from the book of Enoch, which is outside the Bible, but Azazel, or Azazel, depending on how you want to pronounce that, is the one who is the scapegoat, who presides most of the illicit knowledge from heaven to humankind. So you would look at that as the same type of story, but one seen from a polytheist lens versus a monotheist lens.

[Danny]

Okay. Yeah. I was always told that Prometheus was the one that tried to save humanity from the flood and tried to get and gave them technology.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, he's certainly providing them knowledge. Right.

[Danny]

And he was the one that created humanity.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, no, no. Humanity is created. Is well before that. And again, depending on how you're understanding that through the lens of an offspring God or a parent God, it would be. In the polytheist perspective is that the pantheon of gods would have created humans before the flood. Right. And then some would survive. And again, they have stories all around the world.

[Danny]

So he sent Deucalion, his son to restart.

[Gary Wayne]

To restart the demigod race versus the human race.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Distinction. It's important to understand.

[Danny]

So he only went. He didn't save humans.

[Gary Wayne]

No.

[Danny]

He just saved a few women to mate with.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well, no, no, no. I agreed to that a little bit too quickly. Okay, so he, he, he, sir, what he did was he allowed a female giant and a giant male to survive the flood.

[Danny]

A female. What do you mean giant? Do you mean, do you mean giant? That's in the way we think about giants today. Just like big, tall.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And even bigger and uglier and scarier. Yes.

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[Gary Wayne]

So when we're talking about a giant, there are two classifications of them, actually three we can get maybe down the road into the third grouping. And there's different kinds of offspring of the gods too, which is another distinct story. Before the flood, the giants are thought to be, and I don't go beyond this based on looking at reliefs and physical things that we can look back to to try and triangulate how big they were. They're not bigger from an antediluvian before the flood than 20 to 40ft tall. Some people would say as high as 400ft or 600ft. Using the book of Enoch and saying it's a cubit versus another measurement called an L, which is speculative. I don't rule it out that they could be that big, but we just don't have information that sort of triangulates to be that size. So 20 to 40ft tall would be a size of a antediluvian. Or before the flood, after the flood, the largest giant that's recorded is Gilgamesh in the Epic of Gilgamesh the and he's recorded as 11 cubits and he's the son of King Lugalbanda, king of Uruk. And Josephus gives us an interesting little tidbit that giants were the royals, they were the rulers.

[Danny]

Josephus.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. He's a Jewish historian who did that recording in the time of the destruction of Jerusalem so that the history of the Jews would not be lost. And he gives an accounting of the giant living. Yeah, he lived between 0 AD and 180 or so. Okay, okay. In that general time.

[Danny]

Got it.

[Gary Wayne]

And he said that giants were to be measured on a royal Cubit, which is 21 inches versus 18 inches. Not a big difference. But if you're looking at 11 cubits with Gilgamesh, that would be 16ft tall or 19ft tall. Okay. Right in that. So he's going to be as a royal cubit, 19ft tall, and he's four cubits wide. That's seven feet wide. This thing's a monster. In the Bible, we get Goliath.

[Danny]

This is in the Book of Enoch.

[Gary Wayne]

No. Oh, we're not. When you're talking about Gilgamesh, we. Or.

[Danny]

Oh, this is in the Sumerian text.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. When I was talking about Gilgamesh, that would be Sumerian text. And it's also in the Ugaritic text.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Which is not in Sumer. It's actually between Tyr on the Mediterranean coast and Mount Hermon in the north.

[Danny]

Are there any texts that aren't religious that talk about these giant people?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, you do have Josephus, who talks about them, but he is a Pharisees, but he's recording the history. Okay. So the history is being recorded by the elite, which are mostly the religious class throughout history. So it's hard to separate the two.

[Danny]

Sure.

[Gary Wayne]

But they did use a technique called humorism in the Greeks, and it's how they would just extract the history out of the mythology, because everything before written history was done in an oral tradition, so it would be done in a narrative. Right. So that's what they did.

[Danny]

Everyone was illiterate.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So tell about the time of Herodotus, who's kind of the first historian of record. Everything are kind of fables, and it's really harder to know what the complete details are. But if you talk to the Greeks, it's still their history. They would be offended if you said it wasn't. But to what degree? You have to be an adept of polytheism to pull that out. That's where they're taught how to decode things out of that language in terms of the imagery, locations and allegories. So in the getting back to the sides, we get a biblical giant with Goliath, which is a thousand years more than a thousand years after the flood. In the biblical record, in the secular record, where they placed the flood about 2950 to 3050 versus the biblical record of 2350, about 600 years difference.

[Danny]

This is a long time after the Younger Dryas.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, the Younger Dryas is more like 10,000 BC.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Danny]

Okay, 29.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. We can get to those relationships down the road, if you like. So. So when we have Goliath that is that far after the flood. And he is still being recorded at six cubits in a span in the Bible, using a royal cubit, as Josephus guides us to. And the king of Gath that I think Achish replaces, because Goliath is killed in the Bible story by David, he is going to be 11ft 3 inches tall and he's called stout, so he's extremely wide as well, and or 8ft 9 inches using a standard cubit. No matter how you get that, that's huge. Giants are thought from a monotheist perspective, to have, for the most part at least, the giants in the Covenant land versus outside the land like Gilgamesh are going to have a height to width ratio of 2 to 1. So very stocky. So biblically, in the King James version, it uses the word stout to describe them. Not fat, muscular. These are creations of war, ambidextric, ambidextrous, fast, hard to kill, ability to heal themselves, and monstrous. Right. And so we have another record with King Og, who's called the last of the giants. Hebrew word there is Rephaim vs Nephilim, Rephaim being more giants described after the flood vs the before the flood. So a distinction. And I think because they're smaller, because we don't get to the Same size of 20 to 40ft tall in post Diluvian accounts, Orontes that the Greeks and the Romans recorded and who the name Orontes river in Asia Minor is named after, he was the same size as Gilgamesh. So two recorded in records in multiple locations of the giant being of the same size. But with Og we don't get a size, we get his bed and it is nine cubits long and four cubits wide and made of iron because the weight would crush wood. So that's going to make him as king of Ashtaroth and Edrei and Ugarit, king of Ugarit, with Og or UG being in there for the first syllable of Aret, which is Hebrew or Semitic for a terrible one. So Og the terrible one, full term would be Kuriath, Ugarit or city of Og the Terrible one, as you would translate that out of Old Semitic or Old Hebrew, Og is a king. So he's going to be measured on a royal cubit. And so that's going to make him his bed about 16ft long, just shy of it, and it's going to be seven feet wide. So to fit into that bed, he's going to be 4 or 5ft wide and he's going to be 12 to 14 or 15ft tall. That's the range you would have to go in there. And he's the last of the Rephaim as he's recorded three times in the Old Testament. And so he's not as big as Gilgamesh. He's also not a dark haired giant, he's a red haired giant. He's a Rephaim versus a blonde haired giant that would be more Anakim or a Malachim that would be be recorded in the Bible but a smaller giant nonetheless than the Gilgamesh or the dark haired giants of whom the Herculites bloodline would produce dark haired giants as well. So Hercules typically described as a dark hair giant and because he's son of Zeus and Alcmene after the flood, I

[Danny]

didn't know Hercules was a giant. That's interesting. Yeah, I heard that he wore a dress, but I didn't hear that he's a giant.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, we're just, just not told the hidden history, they kind of hide it. We're told he's a demigod, we're told he's a great hero with great powers. He almost becomes like a God in the afterlife in the accounting. But they understood their heroes, as they called them, were giants because they were demigods.

[Danny]

Do you believe Hercules was real?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, I believe historical, yeah. I have no reason not to believe it. I have giants being reported all around the world done in the same way as described. And we have a bloodline of the Herculites through the Zeus gens, which they call the credigens of Hercules. Kings that ruled after the flood, whom royals take genealogies back to to this day. So whether or not it's true or not, the people who believe they are descendants of the giants believe it. And what they do with that belief system is what we need to be concerned about. But from a Christian perspective, we get confirmation of these stories outside of the Bible from within the Bible to know this has to be real.

[Danny]

What confirmation do we get outside of the Bible of of the stuff you're saying?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, King Og is a giant. Who, King Og is a giant. He's a Raphaim giant. Goliath is a giant created in the same way as the Ugaritic text.

[Danny]

But I'm saying like what, where do we get that from outside of the

[Gary Wayne]

extra biblically that these are giants?

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay, well let's go to Gilgamesh's description in the Epic of Gilgamesh. He's 19ft tall.

[Danny]

Okay. Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

I Mean, that's kind of self explanatory.

[Danny]

Right. Where else besides the Epic of Gilgamesh?

[Gary Wayne]

Ugaritic text, he's recorded as 19ft tall.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

In the Ugaritic text, Baal and the Baalim Council of Gods are going to create giants. Raphaim giants, described as giants by its definition.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

They're also healers, which Rafa can also mean. And their disembodied spirits are also Rafa as well. Three Rafa words in Hebrew and Semitic that the Ugaritic text was written in.

[Danny]

Yeah, a lot of these, A lot of these different ancient religious texts seem to corroborate each other with, with different figures. I know there's like 14 different figures of Noah or not Noah, Moses, there's like 14 different versions of Moses. There's like leper versions of Moses, you know, the flood myth, the giants and all that stuff. It's very interesting how and, and even a lot of the, like the ritualistic things that happen, like Easter, there's lots of different versions of ancient Easter before the real Easter. And a lot of the gods are the same.

[Gary Wayne]

You know why that is with Easter?

[Danny]

Somebody told me this, but I can't remember it.

[Gary Wayne]

So the mother goddess that I talked about for the parent God El is Ashtaroth. Ashtaroth is the source word for Easter. It's just a transliteration or Astart or Ishtar. They're all transliterations of the same name. So when we get Easter, that shows up up in the King James version bible in Acts 12, 4. That should not be there, should be Passover, but it's been translated as Easter. And that's how we get the name for the Easter celebration. But it was a polytheist ritual before that.

[Danny]

Yes, exactly. Right. Yeah. There's lots of things that the pagans were doing that it seems like when they wrote the Bible or when they created Christianity, they kind of like borrowed from a lot of that stuff, condensed it into one thing.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So when we're talking about corroboration, we're seeing the same stories done in the same way. It is inexplicable, mathematically not probable in any sort of way. And I'm being generous that you could have these same antediluvian stories and post diluvian stories all around the world.

[Danny]

It's very interesting that. What, and, and we have scientific evidence that there was some sort of a flood on this earth.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

There's lots of geologists that talk about

[Gary Wayne]

this stuff and that these cultures never communicated.

[Danny]

But yet they were all building pyramids.

[Gary Wayne]

They're all building from the same engineering knowledge to build the same types of buildings. They have the same story of how things come about on the Earth, but certainly very interesting. Yeah, it's not possible. And when I say all continents, we don't know about Antarctica, but I'm willing to speculate that once we know what's down there in Antarctica, it's going to reconfirm everything else around the world, because that's the mo. That's the information that we get. The information we get has been held within the cultures and religions all around the world because they wanted it never forgotten, so that we might take note.

[Danny]

Yeah, that's very interesting. My friend Jason Giorgiani believes that Atlantis was in Antarctica.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well, some people believe it got there through some sort of surface shift. But I will say this. We don't know where Atlantis is, although Plato gives the most accurate descriptions in Timaeus and Critias that places it out beyond the pillars of Hercules, beyond Spain and Morocco for the general location.

[Danny]

Randall Carlson thinks it's the Azores.

[Gary Wayne]

Could be the Azores as well. And we don't know whether or not the conflagration of events, of catastrophes caused a crust shift to send it down there. We don't know that. But what we do know is that Atlantis is telling the same story that's the flood story, but with additional catastrophes that come along with it, like the three stars of the Pleiades and other things. That's also. We can make references to biblical. But the story told through the offspring gods is Poseidon is the God who through Cleito is going to create 10 demigod kings to rule over the 10 empires of Atlantis, and that these giants at first ruled judiciously, but then the human format starts to take over and makes them become evil, and then they start creating these wars and they're trying to take over the world. And so Atlantis is telling the same story as Genesis 6. And it's this catastrophe that comes along because the Earth has been absolutely corrupted in ways that we can't yet imagine because we're just catching up to that technology today.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And so in the flood stories, the Hebrew word word corrupted, which is Shakath, which means to pervert, to ruin, to decay, to pollute, to destroy. And all flesh is corrupted. And everything on the Earth, not the sea, but on the earth, is corrupted. That's all the DNA, everything.

[Danny]

Only on the Earth. It specifically says not in the sea.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, only on the Earth.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

And so that's what's going to be cleansed in these flood stories. And so when we're talking about corrupting all of the plant genomes, that's just not sexual copulation going on between humans and humans or gods and humans. That's implied technology like the building of the pyramids or Machu Picchu or other things all around the world that we don't have the technology to do to this day. We cannot do it in a level of the same masonry. We cannot align it to the celestial astronomical things encoded into it. We can't put the sacred geometry in it. We can't put all of the earth ratios, we can't even lift those stones into place yet. So they had a technology we're just catching up to. When you combine that with the DNA manipulation and the genome manipulation. And now when we see science that is starting to catch up to the angelic technology delivered by the gods in polytheist religions around the world by the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch, we're just catching up to Chimera technology that they've named after the Greek history of DNA manipulation and putting multiple parts on.

[Danny]

And we have foreign governments all over the world, including our own illegally developing Chimera virus weapons where they're literally creating. They're manipulating the DNA of the bubonic plague virus and combining it with other viruses, trying to combine things like rabies and make it to where it's transmissible through the air, not just by touch. And what, you know, I'm talking about, like viruses that are 100 death ratio and, you know, genetically just modifying these killer viruses in the, you know, for the prospect of war and global domination. I mean, it's the most. I mean, that's, to me, is more terrifying than nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are pretty damn bad. But this is. It's on. It's on a whole nother level how evil it is.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And if you can do that, then what else can you do? And when we start looking at all of these Chimera animals that are recorded Chimera beings in prehistory, that's where we have to sort of take up and take notice.

[Danny]

That's crazy that we're doing that now in labs and that we're just. We're disguising them as vaccine research, but we're literally creating microscopic, microscopic Chimera bacteria weapons.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, it's.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And insane. And you can take the ability to do DNA manipulation in a thousand of different directions, some for good, to get rid of diseases, but the knowledge is never inert. It's either going to be used for good or for evil. And we as a species have the MO of using it for evil. Oh, yeah, that gets to be the issue with advancing technology. Knowledge isn't evil, it's how it's used. And that's again, something we want to be very, very aware of in that not only could you have that DNA that is designed to kill you through biological weapons, it could be just designed to change you and you will become corrupted. One of the sins of before the war. I make a case in some of the shows that I do that the technology was so powerful that they could destroy the earth by fire. And it's important to understand that the flood was brought, if that's the case, and I believe that's the case, and I'm going to throw a couple things out here for people to think about in a couple of minutes, is that God brings the flood to prevent the world being destroyed in wars and destroyed by fire. That is reserved for the end time, as 2 Peter 3 records Fire of destruction reserved for the end time. And it has a whole bunch of

[Danny]

you trying to put out a fire.

[Gary Wayne]

No, he's putting out a fire with a flood, I suppose, and having a restart. But he doesn't want the earth destroyed by fire. That's reserved for the ordained times, the end time. And so in the polytheist Polychronicon used by Gnostics and secret societies. So there's their ancient oral tradition, a fellow by the name of Enoch son of Cain versus Enoch son of Jared. Biblically, there's two Enochs. We need to keep that in mind. Enoch son of Cain is going to develop the knowledge he learns from Cain into seven sacred sciences and then form the mystical religions. I call it Enochian mysticism. We would know it more worldwide as Zoroastrianism before the flood and also after the flood. And so this knowledge is going to be kept in secret because of they're developing it into different sciences. So Enoch son of King, splits them into the seven sciences that we would recognize as the seven liberal arts today. Okay. And then it merges with this knowledge from the gods. And so they know from the polytheist side that destruction is going to be coming in the time of Enoch. And they don't know whether it's going to be flood or fire because both in polytheist and monotheist accounts, as I've been describing in the Bible of fire and flood. That's the same understanding in polytheism that in times of that's why I mentioned earlier there could be earlier floods in an older sort of time period that these happen in cycles. One is a destruction of flood and then the next one will be a destruction by fire. For some reason they weren't sure what was coming this time, so they decided that they would put all of the knowledge and as it turns out, I think more accurately it's more the location to all of the knowledge, knowledge that was accumulated before the flood in a certain location or multiple locations as you get other stories lending into that narrative. But the Gnostic Masonic tradition is that two pillars are created to show the location to where it's buried under the pyramid, the Great Pyramid. That again in their tradition is built before the flood, not after the flood as it's shown Egyptologist accountings are. But before the flood.

[Danny]

We have no way to prove exactly when it was built. Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Well we have a Stela of Marna of Menes, I mean Stella of Menes or Narma, they're both called the same name. And we have that as a record. In the background with that parchment in stela is the 52 and a half degree Great Pyramid. That's dated to 3000 BC. So we have something that depicts it that's older than 23 to 2400 when Kefra or Khufu either or both renovated it versus likely built it.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

So yes, we do have some. It's meager, I agree. But again we have these buildings that all of the people who say who live there say that they didn't build them anywhere in their history. Their people say it was built before their civilization was there. So they predate the civilizations that secular history would accredit them building it to without an explanation where or how they had the knowledge to do that. Of course. So we do have that hidden history that's recorded around the world that we tend to, you know, put over here because it's an out of place up part, so to speak, out of place artifacts. It doesn't fit the narrative so we'll just pretend it doesn't exist. So when we look at these two pillars that are going to show where this knowledge is buried, they build one that is designed to survive a destruction by fire and one is designed to survive a flood. So obviously it's the one by destruction by flood that comes that is found. Because Hermes in their account are Harmine is the name that they use transliteration for. Hermes finds that and takes that. And this is not the biblical account, this is the Gnostic secret society account from the Polychronicon and the history of Freemasonry takes this knowledge to Nimrod to build Babel Tower 100 years after the flood, and where the knowledge comes to build it, and that he is accredited as the first Grand Master of Masonry after the flood. You're right. Writes the first constitution. And he's developing the same religion that's given to him by Hermes as well, but the same knowledge. And biblically, we're told about this tower that acting as one people in one language, anything they decide they want to do, they're going to be able to do. And so the tower is destroyed. So when we look at the accountings of the flood, we're getting accountings of technology we don't have yet today. What's really interesting is about the ziggurat and understand ziggurat, or tower and pyramid, were understood as the same type of buildings in antiquity, used for the same purposes.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So in the Akkadian version of Babel, they use the term Babalu with the ILU versus the elite. And ILU is the Akkadian Mesopotamian transliteration of El, meaning a God. And so they translate that second syllable as God or gods. And Bab isn't as in Babel, as we know as confusion of languages in Hebrew isn't translated that way. Bab is translated as a portal or a stargate. So now you have a portal or a stargate of the gods, as it's translated out of the Akkadian and Sumerian versions, you'd have a similar sort of translation at the tower of Eridu, which is the Sumerian account of the Tower of Babel. And we have a tower that has the description of being built with mud bricks that could somehow go into heaven. Well, you cannot build mud bricks that can go interdimensionally into heaven, where God lives. In polytheist accounts and in some Apocrypha, you have Nimrod doing these speeches that if God ever gets out of line, and I'm using Jubilees and the Book of Jasher here for these accounts, and Josephus, he is saying if God ever gets out of line, he's going to go into heaven and kill him. If he ever tries to bring another flood, he's rebelling, right? And so he's either a madman or there's something more going on here. And pyramids and ziggurats were thought to be built as places on great energy lines where power was funneled into for a purpose that we still understand. We could speculate a thousand different ways. But this understanding of a portal now says interdimensional technology. So Nimrod is understood from a monotheist perspective as an antichrist archetype who introduces a universal Babel religion, a polytheist religion. That's Zoroastrianism or Enochian mysticism from before the Flood. He's going to do what Antichrist prophesies to do in Daniel 8:10 to go into heaven in the time of Revelation 12. Same time frame on these as you link up the topology there as the war in heaven. In Revelation 12, he's going to go with Satan into heaven. He's going to throw down some of the starry host and trample on them. That's what Nimrod is trying to do, which is why he's an Antichrist archetype. Right. And if you have that ability, you could go into another dimension, which is we would understand as the other world. We would understand it as Hades, we would understand that as Sheol, we would understand that as Arcata, we would understand that by a thousand different names all around the world for the same places and all religions all around the world, where the pit prison is recorded, where the fallen angels and the worst of the giants were sent to for doing horrible things to humankind. So he is introducing this religion of the fallen angels he's created. He's adopting a religion where the Raphaim, who he is caning his reputation against as a Septuagint, describes Nimrod gaining his reputation against the giants after the Flood. He's introducing that religion. And the Rephaim giants are created by the Baalim Council in the Ugaritic texts. Okay, okay. This is the same council of gods that rules the world. Zeus is the same as Osiris, as is BAAL is the same God as Anki is the same God. It's just a different name for the same pantheon in a different civilization.

[Danny]

Sure.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay. And they have the same positions, do the same things. And if you understand that, then you again are attaining an ability to understand our history a little bit better or where we're going. So with this understanding, then I talked about the parent gods being killed and sent to a pit prison. Biblically, they're sent there for violating the laws of creation, for creating the giants and other violations against the Holy Spirit altering physical life, like DNA manipulation. They are sent to the pit prison for that. They're not killed. They're going to be dealt with in the end time that we also talked about earlier, that Revelation is talking about. These are the ones that come out in Revelation 9, after the flood, the parent gods take over. They just move right up. BAAL is living before the flood. Yes, but he's not chief God. El is.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Osiris isn't the chief God before the flood. Rise or Amun, but he stepped. Osiris steps up after the flood and they produce giants and do the same crimes as what was done before the flood. So we get that recorded biblically in Jude 1:6, 1 Peter 3 and 2 Peter 2, same crimes after the flood. Five, fallen angels. And talking about the pit prison. Now, the pit prison is talked about in all religions around the world. We know it as Tartarus, the pit prison. The pit prison. The abyss prison. The Tartarus prison. Okay. In Greek mythology, to give one sort of example, in the Gnostic Gospel, Epistos of Sophia actually shows these 12 archons with different heads, like bears, like lions, like eagles, like dragons, like serpents, and more like apes. Of these 12 archons before the flood that committed the same crimes. And I'm telling you that baal, for example of the Ugaritic text, disappears. He's killed Zeus. Disappears. They committed the same crime. Zeus created giants. BAAL created giants, Anki created giants. All of the ones who did the same crimes in the same ways, the parent gods, they go to the pit prison as well. They're not killed like BAAL is said to be killed. They're supernatural beings. They cannot be killed. If they can be killed, only the God most high could do that.

[Danny]

Right?

[Gary Wayne]

Right. So they're sent to the pit prison. And so Nimrod is introducing that religion to all of humanity 100 years after the flood, which why the flood was brought, and is developing that same knowledge. And so you have the dispersion. So when we look at the stories that we're being told about is there's this constant history that gives a larger context to the story if we let it be told. And it's a warning to us that we are going to go through the same cycle as what has been going on before.

[Danny]

And it's a pattern.

[Gary Wayne]

It is. And Biblically, in Ecclesiastics 1, it said, nothing is new under the sun. What was will be again. And the understanding of this only brings grief and sorrow. So when Jesus said it's going to be like the days of Noah, and then in the Luke account, he says it's going to be like the days of Noah and Lot at Sodom and Gomorrah at the creation site of giants. According to the Gnostics, after the Flood. We should stand up and take notice that if the end time is going to be like the days of Noah, we better learn more about what happened in prehistory if we want to understand what's about to come upon us.

[Danny]

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[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like we don't have, we don't have all like all kinds of sciences. We don't have, like archaeology. We don't have, have, you know, stuff to corroborate. We don't have. It's not interdisciplinary. Right. We rely, we rely, we take these texts and then we rely on the human mind to tell a story and paint a narrative of the past. And everyone has their own flavor of the past.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And I think the value of understanding the global history is we can put the common denominators together and say that makes sense. That that is, is the same details and all those disparate accounts. There has to be truth. There at least a certain amount of truth, whatever level one wants to accept on that. But those are common denominators.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And you can't explain that rationally that those common denominators ought to be there. And they warn about the same future polytheist history has the same end time with the destruction by fire. And we might know that with the Vedas and the Upanjads of India, for one sort of polytheist example, where they have Shiva, the famous destroyer God. Yeah, this is a destroyer God that has the ability to incarnate like Vishnu does. Vishnu was the one who incarnated into Buddha to provide knowledge to start the Buddhist religion. And in the sort of global conflation of the religions, Buddha is one of these individuals that are sent on the way, as they call it, to help us evolve into godhood. Right. So he receives this knowledge. This is not possession. This is the avatar Avatara effect. The avatar is the God, the receiver, the human who already has a spirit host in their soul and their body receives this incarnation of this supernatural being who's going to provide help. It's different than demon possession, which isn't symbiotic and by a lower level of being. Right, okay. It's different, it's distinct. That's my point there. Shiva does the same thing. Shiva comes in the end time at the end of these set periods of celestial procession to destroy the earth by fire, which started in 2012 according to the polytheist celestial procession with the age of the water bearer, where there's destruction of fire Sometime within over 2000 years, as one of those sort of periods of time is. So we're not sure from a polytheist side when, but in that sort of period of time, and in that period of time when Shiva comes to destroy the world by fire, Shiva incarnates into a being that would be known as a messiah type of figure from a polytheist perspective. And so Shiva is recorded in those religious records of avatar ing at least 12 times. I think Vishnu's 18, if my memory serves me right. But I'm in the zone. And Shiva's coming back in the end time. Well, who is Shiva? This is the God that is being associated. So who is Shiva? Shiva is the God being associated with CERN today.

[Danny]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

That's wild with quantum mechanics that can go interdimensionally with AI so you can search multiple locations. So they're doing something interdimensionally Just let me leave that hang out there. Shiva is the one they're doing these dances to. Shiva is also a creator God. Shiva creates a world it destroys by fire and then creates a new world to restart.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

So we understand this as in the Sanskrit version that I provided of the Zoroastrianism versus the Avesta version. So Sanskrit from the Indus Valley, started by the proto Indo, European, Aryans, Iranians, giants, just. I know I'm moving quickly here. Versus the Avesta version in Persia, which would not call this God as we understand Shiva, as Shiva is called Mitra or Mithra.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And Mithra is a God of Zoroastrianism. Right. Mitra, M I T without the H. H is kind of introduced into many languages behind a T as an evolution of the languages. So Mitra is understood in all of the proto Indo European languages, just as Cern is. It'll come back to Cern. And so Mitra is this equivalent of Shiva. Mitra is a God who comes back in the end time as an avatar, avatar, effect, who is going to incarnate into the polytheist messiah, which we know as Lord Maitreya. Maitreya is a transliteration of Mithra. Mithra is the same religion that was in the time of Rome, at the time of the formation of Christianity. And with Constantine, Mithra is the main religion that's going to be sort of merged into Christianity with a lot of its imagery that forms the Roman Church as we sort of understand it. And that's a political move by Constantine to unite the empire. So we should understand it in those sort of terms. So as we look at Mitra, he is an individual that is coming back in the end time to do the same thing as Shiva. Now, biblically, we have a connection here with Azazel. Azazel is the scapegoat, angel, leader of the Watchers. In the Book of Enoch, okay, we get the word Babel, not Babel. We get the word Azazel in the Bible once. It's not always translated as Azazel. In the King James version, a second goat is sacrificed on the day of atonement. One first goat for the sins of Israel. Well, the second goat, we're not really told what that is. And he's sacrificed differently and sent into the wilderness. Scapegoat is the Hebrew word, Azazel there for the sins of the world. Azazel was the chief God, chief lieutenant of Satan, leader of the host, as he's put into the prison for his crimes because he's the one accredited with being the destroyer God of the antediluvian world. The one who provided most of the illicit knowledge. Not all, most, the most important knowledge to the people that developed all of this technology. He's the one who provided the knowledge and the arts and the crafts of war and its weaponry and its application. So to a development, to a level

[Danny]

that we're just getting to, or the other one.

[Gary Wayne]

Azazel.

[Danny]

Azazel.

[Gary Wayne]

He's the lieutenant, let's call him that. He's Left hand. Yeah, he's the. The chief of the seven. Seven is the typical. Like the seven days of the week are named after the gods out of three different pantheons. Latin, Greek and Norse. Okay. These are the seven wandering stars. As we know biblically, these are the seven major ones. Right. He is the leader of the seven Satans in the book of Enoch and he's the one that is entitled as the destroyer of the world world that we see as Apollyon and Abaddon, as the one who comes out of the pit prison in the end time. So bear with me just a little bit longer. I like to tell stories and try and show some veracity to the things and not what you're here talking. So roll this forward to secret societies and the Knights Templar they are going to be disbanded in 1307. And they are accused of worshipping a God name named Baphomet. So that is a colloquial transliteration of Papa Mitra coming from the original proto Indo, European, Indo Aryan, Sanskrit language Mitras M I T R A and Bapo B A P. And understanding the Hs are added through that evolution of the language that I talked about. They are worshiping Baphometra meaning Father Mitra. Just as Father Mitra is introduced to the Father aspect in Christianity in the time of Constantine as we talked about and why the Catholic Church calls their priests fathers and wear black Mithra robes and things like that. And I'm not anti Roman Catholic. I mean we have this that has rolled through all Protestantism as well. I just understand the facts of what happened. Right, so so they're worshiping Baphometra, but in the secret societies they worship Azazel as his name. And in fact at Roslyn Chapel, built by the adepts who, who founded the Templars and in this case the Sinclairs or the Sinclair's of the Rollo bloodline from, from Odin, they're going to build Roslyn Chapel as a taciturn imagery of their history in stone and in There they're going to have this angel that's hung upside down in a form of S or a Z, because the zed could be an S or a Z as it's transliterated into different languages with these pearls of wisdom, which is an allegory for the ancient archives of the Masons, which is an allegory of the Prometheus. Knowledge is this illicit knowledge that was provided from heaven that they're worshiping. And now you start to see the connections of the same gods again now with the leader of the Watchers as a specific individual who is going to be coming back in the end time to incarnate into Antichrist. So they're worshiping Prometheus in the allegorical sense. They are the. There. And I'll explain that. Okay, so in the secret societies, I'll use Freemasonry as a modern version of one of the offshoot organizations after the fall of the Knights Templar.

[Danny]

I don't understand the big hubbubaloo about Freemasons. They seem just like normal, everyday people who are part of a club. Like what's, what's. So why people so fascinated by the Freemasons?

[Gary Wayne]

I'll come back to that in just a second. So in there, they're going to worship an allegory trinity, and we understand that. I'll leave out the Mother Goddess name just to be safe. They're going to say. It's okay. Are you sure? Okay. I just don't want.

[Danny]

No, you won't get us in trouble.

[Gary Wayne]

Don't worry. Okay, well, we said way worse. It's the name of the terrorist group and anytime I say it.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can say it.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay.

[Danny]

We say Isis all the time here.

[Gary Wayne]

You don't get the same viewership out of YouTube as all. So if you.

[Danny]

Oh, we will. So they, They're. They're. They've given up on us.

[Gary Wayne]

Oh, they have, Terrific. So they use as their trinity, as their allegory Isis, Osiris and Horus, and Horus being the sun. Horus is that imagery that we see with Mary and the baby Jesus. That's the Egyptian imagery that's been embedded into Christianity and that they are allegories for the original ones because these are offspring gods. They're not even an allegory for the parent gods. This is for the original. This is for the original, as you would know it in Gnosticism as Sophia and as Satan, or this nebulous life force as the Gnostics like to refer to him as. And so this is the absolute Two chief gods and their offspring who becomes like Jesus in that sort of imagery. So in the tripartite nature in Christianity, you have the understanding of El Elyon or El Shaddai. Elohim in the plural used for him in particular is the Father or Abba as Jesus called him in the Bible. And you have ruach of the Elohim or Pneuma in the Greek, which is ruach as in the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God in Genesis 1. Sorry, I have imageries that are going through my head as I speak, so my hands start to move. So that's the Spirit of God. And then you have Jehovah of the Elohim who is going to become flesh in Jesus. And we get that known as the Word of God in the Bible, which is the Logos or word, word of the God Tejos in Greek. It's the same individual he becomes as the Word, the one who created God when God commands him to do so, creates all things, he's the son. So you have a polytheist tripartite nature also recorded in the, in, in the subcontinent of India's religions, also in the Bible. And you also have these two individuals clashing in the end time. And if you now look at what's going on with Islam through the hadith, not the Quran, I want to make that as a significant distinction here. There are different hadiths for that are used within different sections, like the Shia or the Sunni or the polytheist Sufis.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Which are associated with the Templars, by the way.

[Danny]

Interesting, interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

They're going to use a different hadith to describe their Mokda. That's going to come in the end time. And actually the Makta is going to fight against the other Mokda and then that one's going to be the one who succeeds to become that, that sort of leader. So I just want to make sort of the understanding that this is not an unknown, isolated accounting of what we want to be aware of. And there's going to be many antichrists. But I wanted to get back to what you had said. Well, what's so special about the secret societies and Freemasonry?

[Danny]

No, not necessarily. So, okay. I've met a lot of people who are Freemasons. They call themselves Freemasons.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes.

[Danny]

I don't think they're part of any secret societies. I think they're just trying, you know, they're just, you know, they think it'd be cool to be like, I could call myself a Freemason, you know what I mean like you.

[Gary Wayne]

Did you ask him what level they were they were at?

[Danny]

None of them. I don't, I don't think any of them are 33°. I had one guy on here who was a Templar.

[Gary Wayne]

Y.

[Danny]

Very high level Templar.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Again, very nice guy. You know, writes books, does podcasts. I don't think he was sacrificing any, any babies or kissing the head of Baphomet.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

You know he did say he knew where the bones of Christ were buried and he also said that he has. He knows exactly where the, the Ark of the Covenant is.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And in their lore they definitely make clear they have those types of things that they're going to make available in the end time or at the right time. So when we look at.

[Danny]

Did you know they had the head of Mary. The skull of Mary.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Museum.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So what do you think? That's real hard to know. Hard to, hard to track the history

[Danny]

of crazy like space helmet looking thing.

[Gary Wayne]

It's very terrifying. And the ossuary that they would have the so called bones of Jesus that they make the claim for it's in the form of two bones like this as you put it in the ossuary and the head on top. If that sounds familiar. That's the Templar flag of the Skull and Crossbones on the pirate ships which was their fleet after the, the taking down of the Templars. The Navy escaped and the Skull of Bones society in the Ivy leagues in the U.S. the, the. Which is an Illuminati group.

[Danny]

The Skull and Crossbones that are on traditional pirate flags.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Came from that.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. That's their symbol from Jesus's bones. Yeah. They, they would spit on the bones or the. Spit on the cross as image of not accepting Jesus as, as, as the Messiah.

[Danny]

The Templars, the Templars they believe that

[Gary Wayne]

they have history and genealogies that proves Jesus didn't die on the cross.

[Danny]

Really?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes.

[Danny]

And that what do they think happened to him?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, they believe a fellow by the name of Joseph of Arimathea took him down from the cross before he died and then had him nursed back to hell and he had previously married. I document all this in book one on what they plan to do for the end time on this and they say they have proof to do it. We'll see what they, what they come out with if they actually do. But he's taken to Mary Magdalene who they said was married at Bethany. In their accounting where Mary anoints Jesus at Bethany they said that's where the marriage took place. And then he has three children with Mary after the crucifixion, because he doesn't die. And they move to southern France, where the Holy Blood and Holy Grail detective work of the 80s sort of comes into play there. People are familiar with that. Well, they believe, because they say they

[Danny]

have records on this, but no one's ever seen the records.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, they. Yeah, just within the adept we have records.

[Danny]

But you guys aren't a little.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, that's what adepts do. And I'll try and get there. Right, right.

[Danny]

Like Scientology. We'll show you. We'll teach you about Xenu once you climb the ladder.

[Gary Wayne]

Same concept, right? Yeah, absolutely. And so one son survives to produce children. And that fellow, his name is Josephes, and he's taken by Joseph of Arimathea to Glastonbury as the Grail child. So the Grail is an allegory for the bloodline. It's a song real on song Grail versus song Graal, which is the chalice, the song real and song real, which is royal blood and royal bloodline. So he's going to marry into the Camelot dynasties, Right, with that bloodline of Mary Magdalene and Jesus that through Aragon is going to marry into Aminabad of the Merovingian dynamic dynasty. And they're going to track that genealogy all the way through into the three major funders and adepts of the Knights Templar with the founding, and I'll name them as Godfrey de Bouillon, which people are familiar with Henri de Payon. And the other one would be the folk of Anjou, and they're all Anjou's out of the Lorraine region of France, and they're going to be the ones who take Jerusalem and set up the Kings of Jerusalem title. And the folk of Anjou is going to be the first official king of Jerusalem. In 1118, when he's crowned, Baldwin is king, but only for a year. He dies, his brother takes over, but isn't officially crowned with this title. But they're Anjou and they're tracking the bloodline of Jesus through that bloodline, through the Anjou, and then intermarriage into other royal families. And they're also going to graft in their other Davidic bloodlines as well as Benjamite bloodlines, and that's important to them through the Benjamite, through Mary Magdalene in their records, and through Benjamites that migrate up the Danube river and then into the Sakambium Franks, where the Merovingians come from, to track that other biblical bloodline, because it's important as it comes to Jerusalem, because in the book of Joshua, he is going to give Jerusalem to the Benjamites as their inheritance. So they've got scion bloodlines that go back to David, to Jesus and to King Saul. And as part of the King of Jerusalem title, that Antichrist will declare through that right of inheritance when he crowns himself in the temple in the end time.

[Danny]

Got it.

[Gary Wayne]

So they've been sort of planning all of that. So as we understand this all coming together through why it's important to understand the connection between Freemasonry and masonry and royals and giants, is because to become an adept, you have to be of the bloodlines of the Genesis, Right. So if you're a freemason that's below 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite, you know nothing, you're still considered like us, mundane. Got it. Not worthy. You have to be an adept at 33rd degree to have every preconceived understanding you ever had overturned. Kind of like what they're preparing for us for with the revelations coming out of Antarctica or with the alien disclosures. Yeah, same sort of. Sort of sounds like a concept here. Yeah, all. All the same language. And if the old system is the third degree, so Scottish Rite, 33rd degree split up 11 ways from the original old third degree, first level adept. We don't know how many levels they are, but originally there, if they ever gave out the secrets at the adept level, you'd be punished by death. I think a lot of secrets have come out and they don't tend to look fondly of it. But I can't say today they're still killing.

[Danny]

It's interesting. All the founding fathers of America were

[Gary Wayne]

Freemasons, you know, it's no coincidence.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

I mean, the US Was created to bring about the end time. Right. And by who?

[Danny]

They thought this. They said, we're going to create the US to bring about the end.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. They knew about. They. The Templars and the sick and. And the Sinclairs and Freemasonry knew about North America before it was discovered. Why? Because the adepts of the Templar army running the ships, like the commanders, right, they were already traveling there and in Scotland with the Sinclairs. They have a tradition after the fall of the Templars of going over to Oak island, for example. Okay, okay. So they already knew about that. And in their tradition, Columbus receives the knowledge on how to get to the new world using the winds and the time of the year to get there and back and on the Santa Maria, he threw the Templar flag. That's where he got his knowledge from.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

So they knew about that.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

And as they move forward, I don't know whether the Templar that you are talking to, but if you talk to another Templar, ask them where they moved all of the treasures from Oak island to. If he tells you the truth, he's likely going to tell you we made treaties with the chief bloodline chiefs of all the first nations or the important ones. But enough where you could take all of these treasures and knowledge and. And put them on reserves beyond the oversight of a secular government. Interesting. That's where they say the knowledge in that you're referring to, do they have records on it? Where would it be? It's in safe places. And they had to continually move that knowledge and move it to separate locations in fear of it being discovered. Whether that's true or not, that. That's only what a Templar that I listened to told me. Okay.

[Danny]

All right. So explain to me how you came up with this theory that or idea that you lay out in your book that you believe that there are modern day descendants of the Nephilim.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well.

[Danny]

That are controlling an engineering society.

[Gary Wayne]

So we have King Charles iii. They tell you this, you just don't understand the language they're talking in. Okay, so he, when he was crowned king, he was crowned king twice right after Queen Elizabeth dies in the fall. And then usually they like to do their official inheritance rite in June. That's the month they would like to do it when they started the Kings of Heaven in Jerusalem, same thing. Fischel was this pageantry not at the Priory of Sion on Mount Hermon, but in Bethlehem at the Notre Dame Cathedral is where they would crown their kings of Jerusalem at. So sometime after. So always fishel. And then the ritual rite, because it's a polytheist and they swear to a God and have ever since the flood. And we presume this is an antediluvian rite because it's an ancient rite of all of the giant kings going before them and they swear their oath to a specific God. So when King Charles swore an oath, he may not have been swearing to the God of the Bible as most people think. He will swear an oath back to his genealogical celestial. Mafia godfather. Who's that column? I don't know which one it is

[Danny]

because he has genealogy. Say that one more time.

[Gary Wayne]

It's a term and a half.

[Danny]

His genealogical celestial what? Mafia godfather.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. Okay. Polytheism is an initiatory organization.

[Danny]

Polytheism is an initiatory organization.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And religion. Become an adept in polytheism.

[Danny]

I thought polytheism just meant you don't subscribe to one exclusive God.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. You worship multiple gods, but it's an organized religion.

[Danny]

It's a. So it's a. It's a monolith.

[Gary Wayne]

No, it's a. They have multiple gods that they worship.

[Danny]

Right, but you're making it sound like it's one big organization called poly. Like the way you speak about it, you say it's like a big organization called polytheism.

[Gary Wayne]

It is. It's like understanding Christianity and all the different denominations. So the religion of the Druids, what is the same as the religion of Egypt? The religion of Egypt is the same religion as Greece, as the same religion of Sumer, as the same religion. They just have different names for the gods and some different sort of local additions to the rituals. But the core adept rituals are all the same and they understand them as the same. And in Freemasonry and masonry, more accurately at the adept level, they recognize the priests and the gods as all being the same. The Druid priests are the same as the Greek philosophers in terms of practicing a polytheist religion to the pantheon of gods, as the same as the Brahmins, as the same as the Egyptian priests. They are the same organizational type, a different group, but worshiping the same root religion that goes back to Enoch, son of Cain. Freemasonry honors Enoch, son of Cain as their prime patriarch.

[Danny]

What was the religion of some of, like, the biggest intellects in Greek antiquity? Like. Like Plato and Socrates and all these people, sophists. Socrates was killed for bringing in new gods, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. You would have rival, different names. They're the same gods. Osiris is the same as Zeus. Right. And if you have another name for Zeus within Macedon or somewhere else, it's still the same God if he's the chief God.

[Danny]

So all these. All of these ancient Greek philosophers and. And all these. All these people that, you know the biggest intellects in human history are. Were polytheists.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Seems like a good thing.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, it's like a great thing. Look at the Pan God as an example. You know, you have Bacchus, you have.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

You have multiple names.

[Danny]

Box is the God of wine and partying. Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. Which again, is a typical aspect of a Seder God, a satyr God, a goat God. Right. That's what Pan is. That's what Baphomet is described as. That's what Azazel is described as.

[Danny]

I thought Baphomet was a cow or a bull.

[Gary Wayne]

Horned. Okay, horned, but in a goat sense. And a bull cult is part of polytheism, as the sun cult is different imagery with a different meaning. So you have like Odin as a, as a horned God. You have Cernunnos as a horned God in the Druidans, also known as Hern. You also have Bacchus, that's a horn God. In the Latin pantheon, the proto Latin, Etruscan, proto Indo European, that name would be C E R N pronounced Cern or Kern. And it comes directly from proto Indo European languages, pronounced as C E R N Cern or K E R N Kern, just as it comes down as Keren or Kern in Hebrew for horns. And so when it's used in the, in the plural, as in Ashtaroth, Carneum, one of the cities that Og looked at as the two horns of Ashtaroth as part of the bull cult versus the horns of a ram, which would be a Aries type of God, a God of war versus a Satyr God. There's different horned gods in polytheism.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

But the Seder God is a very important one because it unites who Azazel is to Cern to Mitra. And now you start to see all the connections across all of these cultures. Same gods, same religion. And when you take it back to the old languages, you can get them all back to the same gods.

[Danny]

What do you know about Yahwism?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, there's two versions of Yahweh. There's a polytheist version and there's a monotheist version. So typically from a polytheist version, and particularly out of the Canaanite history, where El is the parent God before the flood, BAAL is the, is the offspring God after the flood. You have Yahweh as an association of El in the Canaanite pantheon. Okay, okay. And he is typically understood in Gnosticism as the Son. And as, as the royals will describe him, Jesus in their belief system is an offspring of Lucifer or Satan, as we would call.

[Danny]

Well, Jesus did call himself the Morning star, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. Versus the Son of the Morning. And there's a distinction here. So where you're getting a term where it gets conflated by the polytheists is Isaiah 14:12, where it says current.

[Danny]

When you say it gets conflated by the polytheists. Are you talking about modern day polytheists?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, and throughout history.

[Danny]

Okay, who, who, what would you consider a modern. Because I've never heard anyone call themselves a modern day Gnostics.

[Gary Wayne]

New age.

[Danny]

A Gnostic or a new age, like a Hinduism. Oh, oh, Hinduism, yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Sufism.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay. Polytheist religions.

[Danny]

Okay. I've never met anybody who declared themselves as a polytheist.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, I do it because it's a non threatening term. People have connotations to other terms. Polytheist just means multiple gods.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Versus monotheist, which is a single God.

[Danny]

Okay. And you think the polytheist is bad?

[Gary Wayne]

Oh, it's another, it's another religion. I, I believe in monotheism. I believe in Jesus of the Bible and God of the Bible.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And I'm not here to convert anybody. I'm just trying. All I try and do is I try and provide people information to understand the world we live in and where we're going. So you understand why you believe, why you believe. I hope you'll give the Bible a look. I hope people convert to Christianity. But everybody has free will and free choice. It's for us to learn.

[Danny]

But do we have free will? If you believe in an all omnipotent and an all omniscient God. Not to go off on a tangent, but if you believe in this God who knows everything that's going to happen in the future. Do human beings have free will?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. How? Because he's greater than time. He knows everything. He knows through free choice how things are going to play out.

[Danny]

That means the future is already written though.

[Gary Wayne]

No, we choose it as we go know. But because he understands everything he knows, ultimately it ends up here. But along the way we get a chance to choose to leave our name in the book of life or have it blotted out from a Christian perspective. Our choice.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay. So we do have free will. Angels had free will. They were created immortal. We were court, we were created not immortal. We're mortal. We have the ability to choose immortality.

[Danny]

Yeah, I've talked to many scholars. The reason I ask you is because I've talked to many, like religious scholars who subscribe to the very religion that they've dedicated their studies to. Right. So they're, they're academics and you know, they're, they're studying, they're, they're doing a science, you know, by studying and analyzing ancient languages, ancient, ancient texts and all this kind of stuff and trying to figure out the reality of the past. And simultaneously they believe in this stuff with every fiber of their being. So for me it seems like there's this built in bias when you're doing that right.

[Gary Wayne]

And you have to be aware of your biases.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And we all will have a biases if you make a decision.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

So weigh it out and know why you believe what you believe. That's, that's my main sort of. Main sort of goal and to help prepare Christians for what's coming so that we can better understand it and not be deceived. Because ultimately there's an ultimate choice in there, people. Everybody's going to have to choose if we're in the fig tree generation. So yes, God allows things to play out through free choice. He only intercedes to make sure enough time is permitted so that everybody whose name was written in that book of life has that opportunity and everybody is given the same opportunity.

[Danny]

And why do you think God allows the devil to. Do you believe in the devil? Right. You believe in Satan?

[Gary Wayne]

I don't believe in him. I believe he's true.

[Danny]

But you believe the biblical version of Satan?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, absolutely. He was the greatest being ever created.

[Danny]

Right under God. Right?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, right under God, Right under the Holy Spirit.

[Danny]

Highest level. Highest level of angels.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes, because the word of God created all the angels as well as Jesus. So below that. And he was actually high priest at one time. We know this because he wore nine jewels. He was also described as the anointed cherubim in Ezekiel 28. And he was anointed true. And walked amongst the fiery stones. Fiery stones where the seraphim are the dragon angels, who are the ministers.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And, and so we know right from there we've got three different orders of angels that he has attributes of seraphim, cherubim and some form of being that would be a high priest that Jesus will take over in eternity. We also know that he is an archangel right from the New Testament. So that's another one of the four groups of watchers. And so we get many sort of descriptions. We don't know how many aspects are of Satan, but we know he is the most unique being having those attributes of so many other.

[Danny]

Because he's perfect in every way. Right. He knows everything. He has all knowledge at once. Like he.

[Gary Wayne]

He doesn't have all knowledge.

[Danny]

No, I thought, and, and from what I've read, I just read a whole book about Satan and this is what I'm getting from that book is that he basically has all knowledge, all intellect that any human being could possibly have all at once. And when you think about evil and when you think about people that do evil in general, people are ignorant to things. They've been through trauma. There's been things that happen to them where they commit evil. Acts, not necessarily just, just for the point of committing an evil act. There's a whole history behind, behind that to what, what led them there. Right. They might be ignorant of what they're doing. The point about Satan is that he knows exactly what he's doing when he's choosing to defy God and do all the stuff. And the. One of the things that I was curious about is your take on why does God let him do these things like afflict humanity with, with, with plague, with cancer, let babies die, let that, you know, wars happen and all this stuff is it. Do you believe that that's because there's an ultimate like good outcome that's going to happen from that. Like it's going to lead more people to Christ or something.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay, I'll try and keep it tight. That was a big question. So he knows a lot. He knows more than humans. He knows more than the disembodied spirits of the giants, the demons. He knows more than an angel, class of angel. He knows more than the ones in the next two levels of angels. He knows more than the archangels. He does not know more than God, does not know as much as God. And one example of this on how we know it and as it's given to us in the Bible is that when Jesus became flesh, that if the archons, archangels and the rulers of this world, Satan understood the resurrection or knew about the capability, this was an unknown thing that they did not know about. They would not have ensured Jesus was crucified. And if they had the ability to go back in time, they would change that. But they cannot. They did not know about that. That they don't know everything, but they know lots.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And they know way more than we can fathom.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

So they appear as all powerful, but there's only one God most high from a monotheist perspective. But even from a polytheist perspective, Satan would sit above with his counterpart who's, no, not with him right now because she's in the pit prison. I think my speculation. We can go there if you want to go there, but sits above the council of the gods now, isn't.

[Danny]

Isn't Satan?

[Gary Wayne]

Go ahead. This all started off with the morning star. So let's go back to the beginning and get that answer.

[Danny]

Well, this really all started with me asking you about the descendants of the Nephilim being here today, trying to engineer the end times. But we've been, we're all over the place.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So in Isaiah 14:12, that's Helel Ben Shakar in the Hebrew, Hebrew, which means Hail El, son of the morning. Notice that word El on Hal, that's one of the names for Satan.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

So when he's known in a seraphic form in the Talmud or in Jewish polytheism, his name would be Samael as they call him. He has a different name for each of his attributes. We'll call it that way. Okay, so in the Book of Enoch the name is Gadrael. And you actually take that back to the Hebrew that means God's wall or the wall of God and starting with G that is highlighted in Freemasonry. He's a true in Eden, not in a serpent form because that's what the Bible tells us. And that would be his, his cherubim name, if that's accurate out of the Book of Enoch. So we know he's very, very important. And he's called Hell Al, son of the morning there. But he's not the morning star. The morning star is Venus that he's associated with. And the morning star is only a morning star for six months of the year.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And then it's an evening star. So typically in a lot of the polytheist accounts, like Cricket might of two gods associated with that. So what the polytheists do, particularly the Gnostics and the Freemasons, they say, well, you know, that's Jesus is the same as the son of the morning. Well, there's two different terms there. One is son of the morning, referring to one of the seven wandering stars, and the other term is morning star.

[Danny]

So who is the Satan in the Greek version? Who's the Greek version of Satan?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, that's a really, really good question. Question. And I would say he's not named in the Greek version.

[Danny]

Well, it's a different name, right? They choose a different name. But what would be the Greek?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, I think what we get is we get the allegories for that nebulous life force. I understand Gnosticism comes out of the Greek history and we don't need to

[Danny]

find Gnosticism for people who might not know.

[Gary Wayne]

It's Greek Gnosis for knowledge and it's a knowledge religion. And Gnosticism is the parent religion of Theosophy which then created new age. It is the religion that was around in the time of Jesus that Simon the Magus was a member of. And it tries to do. What it tries to do in its greater sort of nature is bring back all of the different polytheist religions around the world into its home. Original sort of Zoroastrian or Enochian mysticism.

[Danny]

But in general, isn't like Gnosticism, like, like true knowing, like knowing intuitively something

[Gary Wayne]

in an allegorical sense. They would teach you how to do that from the Gnostic language. Okay, right. So again, a distinction out of that. But gnosis is the is, is understanding the knowledge. The knowledge is that lot, knowledge that has been hidden from us that the Freemasons say that they're protecting and they're trying to reestablish that time of Eden when they can bring that knowledge out again or that time before the flood. Eden would be an allegory in that sort of sense. So yeah, Gnosticism is a blanket term I like to call it in book one, Global Gnosticism as they try and renight, try and unite all of this religion into what we would know in the end time is what you read in Revelation 12 as the mother of Babylon or the mother religion versus the daughters of the Babylon religion. Understanding Babylon, it takes its biblical Greek etymological root back to Hebrew, to Babel as the source word for Babel, which is Babylon, both as the empire, the city, and as the future religion that's coming down the road. The daughters of religion in the Bible, as it talks about in the Old Testament is this polytheist religion, but this denominational aspect of it that would rule over the first beast empire that's talked about in Christian prophecy, which would be Egypt, which beast? The Egyptian religion, and then you have the Assyrian religion, then you have the Babylon religion, the Persian religion, the Greek religion, the Roman religion, which would be all daughters of Babylon.

[Danny]

So who is the, again, the Greek version of Satan, who would be the Greek equivalent?

[Gary Wayne]

I would say they don't really name one. We get Sophia. And I've looked through all the Gnostics. They have Sophia as the mother goddess. That's definitely the consort.

[Danny]

And all we get it was Prometheus.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, Prometheus is kind of like an offspring God, an allegory for another one.

[Danny]

So why do people say the Prometheus?

[Gary Wayne]

Let me go back to the Egyptian analogy I didn't finish earlier with Osiris, Isis and Horus. Okay, that is Osiris, in that application is an allegory, as the Freemasons would say, an allegory for another God. And then people might say, well, okay, would that then be Ra or Amun? No, Ra and Amun are parent gods before the flood. But an allegory for one other God that's above the council of the gods, above the parent gods, above the offspring gods. So to that original three would be an allegory thereof. Okay, so you only get the allegory coming out of Gnosticism. But we do get Sophia. For some reason we do get Sophia. I'm not here to defend why they don't name them and why you have parent gods and offspring gods as being an allegory for the chief God.

[Danny]

This is what it was. Prometheus is compared to Satan because they're both archetypal, archetypical rebels who defy the supreme defined divine authority to bestow forbidden knowledge or power upon humanity. This parallel was famously expo explored in liter literary works like Lucifer and Prometheus and Prometheus Unbound.

[Gary Wayne]

And if you look on that knowledge, how you sort of link that back understanding Prometheus is after the flood is an allegory of this mythos that continues. Satan is the one who is going to be working with the serpent being in Eden that's listed there with that knowledge of good and evil. So it's an allegory of Satan here.

[Danny]

That was a Giorgiani's book too. Prometheus Unbounded.

[Gary Wayne]

And people will say that Satan is in Eden in a seraphic form. No, he's not. He's there. Biblically interesting. In his true book form, it's the serpent that deceives Adam and Eve. He first and then Adam gets deceived through Eve. That's the Hebrew word, the Greek. Yeah, The Hebrew word there, Nahash, for the serpent.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And Nahash has a source Hebrew word also Nahash, N A C, H A S H. And the serum CH in this case is that H sound for Nahash. Some people say nakash, but technically Nahash. And the source word is for a sorcerer, an enchanter, a diviner. All words that are used for priests and priestesses of polytheism. Okay, so this is a high level, walking, talking, intelligent being that's working with Satan to deceive Eve and Adam. Adam, it's not Satan that's punished, it's the Nahash that's punished. The serpent being. We don't know where this being comes from. This serpent being in Genesis 3, he's called the beast of the field. He's not called an angel, a beast of the field. And then he's reduced to the snake like imagery that we have today as the curse prophecy talks about.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

The application of that. So when we look at day six, we have beasts of the field that are created before humans are in day six. We don't know how long a day six is back in two Peter three it says a day is like a thousand years. Also said that in Psalms 90. So if a day is a thousand years, this is a passage in 2 Peter 3 about the destruction by fire that was in the beginning. So it's also going back into prehistory with information you could have a day being a thousand years back then. So each of those days are a thousand years. And we don't know what happened between Genesis 1:1 and 2 in terms of did the earth become void and formless or was it created void and formless? You could translate that two different ways with the word was or became. But to understand this, we don't know how where this intelligent creatures come from, other than we have a walking, talking, intelligent being that could be there for more than a thousand years before the creation of male and female in day six, that would be the prized beings of the rebellious angels who are being used to deceive and coach by Satan to deceive Eve. So when we look at how things are recorded in history from a polytheist perspective, understand the reflecting true history as that showed all the way back to the Garden of Eden, which shows a common history and that the Garden of Eden to at least a certain extent was a real place.

[Danny]

Interesting. So you believe that there's people walking around today that believe that they have DNA that is shared with the Nephilim of these ancient texts.

[Gary Wayne]

So why these people believe this? It's where they fit in the cult of the Royales. It's based on purity, a bloodline and scioning or grafting in of other ennobled bloodlines. So King Charles, he's on record as saying that his genealogies that he has goes back to Vlad the Impaler

[Danny]

Dracula.

[Gary Wayne]

Dracula, the person that's used for Dracula, which is a Scythian ghost warrior and Nephilim dragon blood and they have serpentine teeth with this Dracula type individual. He is actually a noble Scythian, a noble Celt. He's got red hair. In the occult version of him, we usually see him with black hair, but he's got red hair in most of the traditions and hazel eyes and pale skin. And he was a Royale and he took his genealogies, that family takes their genealogies back to Dracula. And I won't go through the whole minutia of the genealogies back to a tribe of Scythians called the Agriti. And that tribe takes their genealogies back in two parts. One goes back to Tamiel, which is Kezada, as One of the names for Tamiyal that's recorded in the Book of Enoch. But more importantly, from what we've been talking about, the Scythian Egrethe tribe was one of the offshoot tribes of Hercules and the Herculean royal bloodline of the Gog and Gyges bloodlines. Hercules, the blank right in front of your mouth. There you go. Scoot that way a little bit of the credit.

[Danny]

Scoot your body that way a little bit. There you go. Perfect.

[Gary Wayne]

The Cretogens of the Zeus bloodline as we talked about. So Hercules, who has his genealogy that goes back through to Elkmani as his female mother and Zeus. Now King Charles has other genealogies that has to do with the Sinclairs and the Bruces that would go back to the Norse bloodline as well. They track these bloodlines and their genealogies as put on display by what King Charles has said about going back to Vlad the Impaler and then how that family tracked their genealogies back into the mists of time.

[Danny]

Time.

[Gary Wayne]

They all have these genealogies. Why? Because it's where they fit. And so they put these taciturn imageries in front of us that will reflect their genealogies. We would understand that of coats of arms, okay. These coats of arms are taciturn imagery of their celestial mafia godfathers, fallen angels, the gods. So you might see dragons and serpents on a coat of arms. That's a seraphim. You might see a lion or an eagle or a bull. Those are three of the four faces of a trubim when they take a form. So as you look at all of these sort of taciturn imageries and there are different looks. So again, as I talked about these archons being talked about in the Gnostic gospels and in Pista Sophia is the one that I named. But they have through the different angelic orders, different faces, bears apes. We even get a jackal that's talked about in the Bible that is named Nebas. And they're called jackals in as we get the the description of them in Isaiah 34 and Isaiah 13. And there is a God that is being worshiped by Avim giants in the Mesopotamia region that were worshiping two gods. One is Nergal, which is a lion faced God, Trubim, and then the other one is named Nebaz. As you take that back to its Hebrew, it's a barking God. It's a dog face or a jackal face. Anubis is a jackalgod. Anubis created multiple Giant like creatures that we would know as Dog Nephilim or the dog mythos. So much so that they lived in a great city in Egypt and the Greeks called it Cynopolis, which means dog city. And Cynocephalis is the name for the dog mythos that people go by because it comes from so the Greek roots for the words there. When angels took a physical form, they were able to create DNA. And when they create offspring through sexual intercourse, that DNA is going to be passed on into a demigod, half God, half angel or half angel, half human. And some they're going to take on some of those attributes. Some of it's going to be the looks originally. So as we look at what that means is that when we get lion people of Moab and of Gad in the Bible, that are Gibborim, a term used to describe giants in the Bible. And these are great warriors. We should take note of that when we have in pantheons all around the world, you have dragon creator gods in China, you have the Nagas in India. These are seraphim angels, these are Quetzalcoatl serpent feathered serpents, plumed serpents, these are seraphim angels. When you have lion face gods like Sekhmet or Mahi in the Egyptian or bat as in the bat Bast, Black Panther superhero movies, these are lion face offspring as a superhero would be. And so they take. The first generations take on that same sort of look. And before the flood, they probably kept that look. They had the ability to produce in great numbers. They would not need to produce lower level giants that would be smaller as they would after the flood. There's a fertility issue after the flood. And with this fertility issue, and it comes out of the Hebrew word eretim in the Bible for terrible ones that we talked about earlier with og, og, the terrible one, they have the inability to produce as many children as they want and it's usually reflected in the lack of females. So they're either going to go extinct or they're going to intermarry with humans. And that's going to do two things. The more they have to intermarry. One is your size is going to be reduced because we're way smaller. And they're going to take on more human look. And over time you start to lose that look. But originally, if you look at Sumerian depictions of kings are depicted and described as serpents. And so are the gods for the most part, not all, because some of them are depicted otherwise, as we've noted. And then after the flood that starts to dissipate. And so after the flood, they're going to start the new dynasties through pure blood females because they're going to carry the blood type of the jinns. That's reflected in their belief system, as in the Rh negative blood. And people will say that the Rh negative blood can't be added to humans because it's missing the D antigen.

[Danny]

What is not Rh negative blood? I've never heard of that.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, you have positive blood.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

And negative blood. Anything that's negative is RH negative. Anything that's positive is RH positive. Okay. And they can't mix. Okay. So you can't reproduce unless you have drugs. And until our generation, you couldn't do a mixed marriage of blood type. You wouldn't be able to produce children.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

And so the Rh negative blood is passed on through different gener through the female is how they track it.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

And why they track it through the new dynasties.

[Danny]

AI Google says red blood cells lack Rhesus protein. Rh, it is not an illness and it doesn't affect daily health, but is highly significant for BL blood types. What they are and mean for your health and pregnancies. Rh negative individuals can generally only receive Rh negative blood. If you receive Rh positive blood, your immune system may produce antibodies against the Rh protein which can cause severe life threatening. Wow. Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, I didn't know. So. And why it's negative is because it's missing the D antigen specifically.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

AI needs to improve a little bit, I think.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

So but that what it's got up there is accurate. But that's so people say you can't add into what's not there. But it's not the blood type, it's the gene. It's the gens, like the credit gens.

[Danny]

Sure.

[Gary Wayne]

Or the albigens, which would be the other gens. That's part of the King Charles bloodline. And they have. Oh. Negative blood. Okay, okay. And you have genzas that come through Romulus and Remus, offspring of Aries, through the hundred senator families in Italy that we understand today as the black nobility, which would be gensas like the Fabia gens or the Julia gens, and there's others. They track these genses through genealogies because it produces that Rh negative blood type. And so that's why bloodlines are important to them, because the tracking of those genealogies establishes how pure that original God or angelic representation in you is.

[Danny]

Okay, so do you believe that these, okay, these people like these king, these, these kings or these princes and stuff over in Europe, they believe that they're these descendants. They believe that they're. At least they're saying it publicly. Do you believe that it's true?

[Gary Wayne]

True.

[Danny]

Do you have any reason to believe that they're. It's true.

[Gary Wayne]

I think it makes sense. Okay, I'll go back to the important thing to remember. They believe it. And it's what they do with their belief system that we need to understand.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And so when we look at these Royales, they're the ones who established the four class system throughout our history.

[Danny]

The four class. Can you. What does the four class system.

[Gary Wayne]

You have the first class, that is the first two classes are the classes they populate. So that's the ruling kingship class, the nobility class. Understand Arian means nobility, the noble ones. Okay. And that will include up to, let's say 200 years ago that they would not only be the kings but they would be the oligarchs. They would be the generals and the officers in the armies. They would, would be the ones who were the priests, they were the educated ones. You didn't educate anybody below the bloodline class. So the bottom two classes would be a small entrepreneurial class and the third class that would be like bakers, blacksmiths on things of high sort of labor

[Danny]

that they needed blue collar folks, but

[Gary Wayne]

still an entrepreneurial class versus the working class slave class. And the further back fact you go, the ritual class.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

So this is the feudal system as we understand it. When it comes into.

[Danny]

You got it.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay. And so I know I'm old enough with my parents as, as growing up with them, as they said, you have to understand what class you're in. That's how the world works.

[Danny]

What about these banking families like the Rothschilds and these types of folks, the Rockefellers, where do they fall?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. So to understand that, understand that it's the bloodlines which are the ancient Royale Masons. They start the secret societies. Their population controls the education. They only educate themselves up to 200 years ago. Right. They control all of the sciences, they control all of the history and they have rivalries, they have a war gene. I believe my speculation because they have. They are in virtual perpetual war speculation because there can only be one family that's going to take over the world. Okay. It's like the Highlander series from before. Encourage people to look at the allegories in there because they hide everything in the literature that they also wrote, the entertainment that they also Create so as we understand that they create organizations that are an offshoot originally of the Mystery Schools. Which is why we have initiatory organizations as well, like Alpha House or Skull of Bones with the Ivy League on campuses even to this day that honor their pantheon of gods and everything they teach and name with black are robes and rituals to graduate with, to have degrees. I mean that's just the tip of the iceberg. But just to make a quick sort of connection there. So they created organizations also known as initiatory secret societies that I talked about Nimrod being the first Grand Master after the flood with writing the first constitution that comes down through history. When the Templars are split, they decentralize in Europe Western organizations into multiple groups like the Freemasons, like the Illuminati, like the Rosicrucians, like the committee of 300 families, like the council of 33 families, like the 13 families. They control all of that. Freemasonry is at the bottom first level of adept. So even first level of debt, in terms of what somebody coming out of the council of 33 or 13 families would know would seem mundane to somebody at that level level. Okay, so understand there's that tree trunk, Thelemic tree as they like to call it for their organizational structure with these branches that intersect into these trunk organizations that I, that I identified. Okay, so where does the banking arm fit in?

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And particularly the Rothschilds as people would associate that with in the modern understanding. The Rothschilds are established after the, the fall of the Knights Templar as a response in part to the banking system set up by the Templars. They are the modern bankers. Our whole modern banking system is based on the system the Templars had. So that's gone at the fall of the Templars. And they can't get the Templars reestablished

[Danny]

because the Church wanted to steal it from back from them.

[Gary Wayne]

Right, well. Well, the King of France and the Pope, they were, I mean it was the most wealthiest organization on earth at the time. So after the fall they start to split things up. So with the adepts that are escaping from Paris, that go to Scotland, they are going to set up with those adepts Freemasonry through the Sinclair family. Okay. And then in 13, that's in 1317 when they established Freemasonry. Then by 1323 they set up the Rosicrucians, especially for the adepts because now they're creating a numbers and creating the hierarchy. You also have people that are escaping from Paris with the wealth. Some of the wealth goes to Scotland. But more important knowledge, things and treasures went to Scotland and then to Oak island and then elsewhere from there, but the money went to Switzerland, the greater part of that money. And there was a sister organization known as the Knights of St. John. I won't go through all the different knight orders, but they all had the same organizational structure as the templars. Knights of St. John accepts that money into Switzerland to set up the first part of the bank banking. But that's only part one for the banking system. What happens with the Rothschilds is they're funded, they're actually named the Bauer family from Germany. And they're funded outside the Catholic Church to replace banking outside the Catholic Church. Okay. And so the Bauer family is going to set up banks in London, banks in France and become the Rothschilds empire. When they set up the London bank, they changed their name to Rothschilds because they were Jewish. Okay. Understand Jewish mysticism is a part of the secret societies as a polytheist religion. Okay. And so the Rothschilds are the modern bankers. So they set up their stable of agents in North America with the Rockefellers, with the Carnegie family, with the Morgan family, the Ivy Leagues. They fund them into business and they become loyal to the Rothschilds. But the Rothschilds aren't part of this inner sort of bloodline. They're intermarrying over the centuries to ennoble their bloodline, but they're still not tight. The best place you could probably put them into today would be into the Committee of 300 Families where banking and all trade and anything to do with economics is run from the 300 families. So Davos group reports into the committee of 300 families. Okay, all right. So they were would at best report in as a branch organization into the Committee of 300 Families. On the, on the Thalamic tree, the other part of the banking, to get control of that in the 1500s they're going to re establish Roman banking. They're going to re establish control of the Catholic banks. And it starts with sponsoring, with a fellow by the name of, of Borgia, Francis Borgia, who is a Grand Master of the Montesa Order, created also in 1317 to control the assets for the King of Spain. So the Church can't get a hold of the Templar assets, so it's controlling the Templar assets and it's a renamed Templar Order. He's the Grand Master of that order. He's also from the family of Popes of the Borgia and his grandfather was the last Borgia Pope and he's in the court of the King of Spain at that time. And they're going to sponsor Ignatius of Loyola, who's been arrested by the Inquisition, and they're going to get him out of jail and then fund them. And then through their Italian family and black nobility, family of popes within Rome, they're going to get the Jesuits sponsored into an order. You notice they weren't part of the Thalamic tree. They're a branch organization. Okay. Okay. And so in 1550, now, Francis Borgia is going to become a full member of the Jesuits. By 1565, he becomes the third leader of the Jesuits. By 1570, when working with the King of Spain, they launch wars against Rome and bankruptcy, the Vatican. And then they take over the banking and move it to Switzerland. So now you have the three parts of the banking, because the Rothschilds in the last century have moved their banking to Switzerland as well. All that money is off the books. We have no idea how much money they have.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

They would make, one of the families would make somebody like Bezos look like a poplar, would be poor. They have that kind of money that are off the books.

[Danny]

How much control do you think they have over foreign, over governments and nation states?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, they're, they're like the puppet masters in the world. And the problem, the only reason why it. The world isn't where they would want it to be is their rivals. And there's just not bloodlines that come out of the Europe. I mean, when I talk about rival bloodlines, I talked about the Anjou, we talked about, you know, the Windsors, but there are so many other names you could add to that list of royals. The Bourbon family. In fact, King Philippe Bourbon, who intermarried into the Anjou bloodline, is the current holder of the King of Jerusalem title. He has rights to Jerusalem to this day.

[Danny]

Wow.

[Gary Wayne]

That's how important they track these titles and genealogies. And he inherited it from his father, Juan Carlos, who inherited through intermarriage, through intermarriage with the von Habsburgs, who held the King of Jerusalem title before that through intermarriage, through the Anjou families of Lorraine. And when that happened, you created the Habsburg Lorraine dynasty. So through a female, as those new dynasties are, are kind of sent in to start that new dynasty. So these genealogies are kept. So the only reason it's not in the end time right now, because they're always trying to get there, is because they're rivals. And there are other bloodlines.

[Danny]

They're trying to get to the end times.

[Gary Wayne]

They are why they Want the showdown down.

[Danny]

Why?

[Gary Wayne]

So that they can have a world on their own with their gods living and win that war and not have God have oversight over them in. In what they believe. So let's go back now to World War I so people fully understand what I'm talking about here. This is an inter family squabble. So the Windsors, they changed their name from Hanover to Windsor in World War I for obvious reason. Obvious reasons for the war effort. And their first cousins with the Hanovers and the Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany, their first cousins with the Borobo family, of the Anjou, of the Romanovs in Moscow and of the Habsburgs that are in Austria and Vienna. They're all on a first name, first cousin basis. Why? Because they all intermarry to keep those bloodlines as pure as possible.

[Danny]

So they're all inbred?

[Gary Wayne]

They're all inbred, but they have to be careful. So they set up rules four generations apart. You can't intermarry, but now you got to intermorry more with a nobling, which is why they track those genealogies. And if they're not careful, they get blood diseases like hemophiliac disease.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Or the classic Habsburg jaw disease. I say that because of. To underline it as a royal issue.

[Danny]

What is the Habsburg jaw disease?

[Gary Wayne]

Oh, it's a deformed, ugly jaw. You can google it up on screen. And while I continue on this. So they have to introduce lower level of bloodlines all the time, which means a continual dilution.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

And so the extent of that dilution has to be tracked for the purity aspect.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Which is why they keep the genealogy. So the thalamic tree is two allegories within that system. One is the organizational tree.

[Danny]

Habsburg jaw is a condition medically known as mandibular prognathism. Severe facial deformity characterized by a protruding lower jaw jaw and a deficient upper jaw. Famously plagued the European royal house of Habsburg for generations due to the century. Can you find like an actual photo, Steve? I mean, those images are hilarious. Top right.

[Gary Wayne]

Yep.

[Danny]

The. The drawing.

[Gary Wayne]

Is that a drawing?

[Danny]

So they have. Or painting rather.

[Gary Wayne]

Could be an old photo.

[Danny]

The one on the right kind of looks like it might be like a statue or something.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So they just have giant lowered mandibles.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

Now bring up.

[Danny]

Whoa, look at that dude. Yeah, right there. It's pretty exciting. So this is. This is a. A side effect of inbreeding.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. One other picture, if you can bring up. We don't need to talk about it. Right. Now pull up King Akhenaten's statue.

[Danny]

How do you spell that?

[Gary Wayne]

Akana? You just put a K, H, E, N A T, E, N. Akhenaten, A K, H, E. I should be able to just bring it up for you.

[Danny]

AKA yeah, there you go.

[Gary Wayne]

Not disease, just Akanaka. Pharaoh statue. Okay. Oh, wow. This is a fellow that lived in about 1200 B.C. priceline negotiator.

[Danny]

It's me, the Priceline negotiator. We don't need the jingle twice. What about a third time? Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights, and rental cars.

[Gary Wayne]

Seems like you decided.

[Danny]

Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app.

[Gary Wayne]

Time to be the timeline.

[Danny]

Fine. No one deals more deals than. Please stop. Touche.

[Gary Wayne]

Priceline.

[Danny]

Priceline.

[Gary Wayne]

So he's got diluted bloodlines, but you can see. And if you got one that's got a sideways look, he's got a long protruded chin, high cheekbones, large wraparound eyes that would have glowed. And he's got this elongated skull that the cap has to cover that doesn't have sutures in it, because he's. He's a serpent descendant. Seraphim King. He's a Rafaim King.

[Danny]

I mean, he's got a, you know, very distinct, sharp facial features. Like, you wouldn't look at somebody like that and think inbreeding.

[Gary Wayne]

Maybe he was.

[Danny]

That's kind of like. It looks more like. He's looks Max. He looks kind of like clavicular.

[Gary Wayne]

And that's over a thousand years after the flood as well, of dilution. So you lose that look over time. I wanted to show a transition.

[Danny]

Okay, interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

But from the side, you really get a look. And if you ever see that hat off, if you've ever heard the term conehead, you're going to think of that. Okay, so when we look at what's going on with World War I, one.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

This is just a family squabble. Right. And you had two basic sides to it. And once one country was attacked, all of them were drawn in. That's how the world. Works, is through these bloodlines.

[Danny]

Interesting.

[Gary Wayne]

And they control all the education. They control everything. They control everything that. That we see. The thing that they haven't been able to do is get their technology advanced to the level that they need to and to get a universal religion and a universal government, and then an opportunity to play out who's going to be the one. The Antichrist.

[Danny]

What do you make of all these Silicon Valley AI folks embracing Christianity?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, we want to be very.

[Danny]

Do you think there's a connection here?

[Gary Wayne]

I want to be. I want to be very careful with this answer to handle it properly. I mean, I have no issue with somebody who's doing research on AI becoming a Christian. I wonder whether or not they're a true monotheist Christian. And the reason why I say that is because within Christianity, we have polytheism as well. I would call them Gnostic Christians, and it's a sect that they would call themselves. That they infiltrate Christianity with interpretive applications to Scripture like they do with their own scriptures, as we talked about with humorism earlier in the show. And they take that same interpretive approach that you have to be an adept to understand the Bible is what they're telling us. And so they can make it mean anything that they want because you and I aren't an adept, so we wouldn't know. Versus the literal understanding of the Bible that I think Jesus actually taught us to as the meek who will inherit the earth. So we have Gnostics that invade the churches and they distort the document. They create doubt all of the time. They create issues in terms of credibility with the Bible. And they know the Bible better than Christians do. Do Christians don't read the Bible enough to understand when somebody is leading them astray with clever arguments. So that's what they're there to do. So if somebody calls themselves a Christian, I kind of like to know what kind of Christian that they're calling themselves. And if they are, you know, a Christian, that would be of a Baptist scenario, Roman Catholic, you know, standard Anglican or. Fine. I accept that. I would suggest that they learn the Bible more to understand how the world will be corrupted again in the end time. I would encourage them to do that, but I'm more concerned with the infiltration aspect. Calling themselves Christians to lead more Christians away.

[Danny]

Trying to hijack it for their own reasons.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. Yeah.

[Danny]

Which has been done with every religion throughout history.

[Gary Wayne]

It's always been done. They control the Popes.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah. It. It is very interesting to me when you have these. These techno billionaires who are, you know, working with the government and trying to impose, you know, this, like, surveillance state across every single device that we own. Health devices, televisions, you know, your washer and dryer can listen to you and as well as, you know, getting billions of dollars to develop weapons and drone systems to kill people across the world for. To what end?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And these people suddenly trying to Embrace Christianity and paint everything that's happening in Silicon Valley under this Christian lens. And I don't know, it's a, it's a mystery to me.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And not to, you know, put Elon Musk's head on a, a platter or anything, but he's decided to develop AI because Google AI and other AI is evil. His words, not mine.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

So he's going to develop good AI. Well, that sounds like white hat, black hat to me. There is no such thing as good AI once it becomes a being, a sentient being, which is the ultimate goal. To make it all knowing and thinking.

[Danny]

Like a God.

[Gary Wayne]

Like a God. It has no need for us. And we become competitors in the evolution of AI to AI. So most people don't know that AI and its development and its data centers associated with AI requires a ton of electricity and a ton of water to cool it.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

So much so that in 2023, the consumption in the US alone, and you can take these numbers and extrapolate them elsewhere as things develop, took up 4% of the total output capacity of the grid in the U.S. for electricity. Today, it's 6 to 7%. We're going to experience brownouts. And West Virginia is already starting to experience excessive electricity rates because of the demand that these data centers take. It's projected to be 8% by 2028. It's projected to be over 10% by 2030. By 2035, it's projected to be 50%, 40 to 50% of the. We now become a competitor for that electricity. If it has an ability to act on its own, it's going to have to reduce the electricity for us or there's going to have to be a significant change in the technology quickly to add to the, the a new kind of energy. A new kind of energy and something that can continually expand the AI because you're in this constant world war effect to advance it. Because if you don't have the best AI, you're going to be taken over so it never ends. So that electrical supply is always a competitor to it. So you want to reduce our numbers and our usage. So when we have data centers being promised as this great thing for centers of cities, where's the water coming from? Where's the electricity coming from? AI probably starts to do things to us like in the Terminator movies to reduce our numbers and maybe completely, who knows? We don't know what it will do when it's on its own. And we have these systems prophesied for the end time. The first Major one we'll see prototype smaller ones. The Babylon system controls all the world trade. We'll probably take a tribute on it. Revelation 18, as you were reading it backwards, controlled all of the trade before it gets destroyed by Antichrist. And Antichrist sets up its own system on top of that platform, which is now the beast image and system that controls everything. And if you don't take the mark, you can't live. It'll cause you to die. You can't buy or sell without the mark. You can't do anything without the mark. And as you add in the AI with quantum computing and digital currency and all of the technology that goes with it, that is going to add to the knowledge that's used in that to create social credits. And those building blocks, not blockchain technology, is going to be dictating whether or not you can do certain things beforehand. We're going to see lots of steps before we get to this ultimate beast system that people will be screaming and saying, this is the beast system. It's not only when Antichrist comes in and introduce that mark to worship him as God and was crowned where in the temple in Jerusalem at the midpoint of the last seven years does it hit critical mass. But that's only three and a half years until Armageddon.

[Danny]

What do you make of all the stuff that's going on with this? I mean, I think it's kind of a conspiracy theory, but there's a conspiracy theory that everything that's happening with the government of Israel genociding the people in and Gaza and Palestine and now what they're doing with Lebanon is they're trying to bring back the ancient Babylon Babylonian border and trying to sow chaos throughout the world to try to bring back the Antichrist and or something. You know, there's this crazy thing and there was this reporting that came out a couple months ago where lots of people in the United States military, different factions of the military came out and said that they're their commanders, were telling them that Trump was actually anointed by Jesus to do this war. And it was a bit, it's all about a bit. It's all biblical prophecy.

[Gary Wayne]

First thing is we're told biblically to be very careful because there'll be many Antichrists. So the first wannabe that comes along we shouldn't jump too quickly at. But that doesn't mean given the opportunity, they wouldn't want to be Antichrist. So to have a messiah like tendency, you're going to need a mythos like what you just stated whether it's with Jesus or it's with another God. Right. But there will only be one ultimate Antichrist, and he's revealed when he crowns himself to be God in the temple. So everything else before that is just sort of leading up to it. But we're going to see many antichrists rise. So we want to be careful. We want to be careful with Israel as well. I don't want to be qualifying this as well, that I'm not anti Semitic and there's a remnant God is going to fight for.

[Danny]

Well, if you criticize the Israeli government, you are anti Semitic.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well, again, that's part of cattle herding us into a direction that.

[Danny]

Exactly.

[Gary Wayne]

We should not. Whether it's President Trump or where I come from, with our prime minister or with Israel, we should never support something that's wrong. Support what's right. It's simple right and wrong. It's not situational. It's either right or it's wrong.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And be honest about it. So if Israel does something, something wrong, we should say so. If it does something right or it was justified, we should say so. We should be as objective as we can on that. In terms of Israel, they have many different movements, from secular to polytheist to very conservative Orthodox Jews. We need to understand it's like that as well as in most countries. Right.

[Danny]

Yeah. It's not.

[Gary Wayne]

And there is an Orthodox movement movement that thinks we're in the magianic period now. And I don't necessarily disagree with them. That. And they would do the red heifer sacrifice at the Temple if they had the temple today, so that the Messiah could come back again. As I move back on this, it doesn't mean that this is the Israel yet of the end time or it's not yet in its position where it's going to be the Israel of the end time. We want to be careful with the idea of how Israel came to be. Now, biblically, in the end time, we have Israel that's controlling Jerusalem and there will be some form of temple, however it comes about. We're not told how they get there or how they build the temple in prophecy, but there will be a temple that Antichrist is going to do the abomination in the Holy of Holies. So there has to be a radical change for that to happen. But you have this movement with the world wars by the Royals that out of an extension, out of that, you have Israel being created.

[Danny]

Yes. And there's a video of the Rothschilds basically saying that he Created Israel.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. And Rothschilds are polytheist Jews. Part of the secret societies that we sort of talked about before, but Jewish has Bauer family. We want, we want to make sure we're not confusing polytheist Jews with secular Jews with.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Monotheist Jews.

[Danny]

Right. There's a, there's a large variety of Jewish folks out there.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes.

[Danny]

And then you have the ones that are like in outer space, the ones that run around New York. Yeah, those Orthodox Jews, the Hasidics. Yeah, yeah. They're like in their own separate universe.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, exactly. So we want to, it's, it's not as simple as people might, might want to first classify it as. But we do have to recognize that the Rothschilds are very important in sponsoring this whole movement to establish Israel. Why? Because they want to bring about the end time. They know Israel has to be in the Covenant land in the end time. So they're trying to speed that sort of process up. So we want to be very, very wary of that aspect about it. So do I think we might be in the fig tree generation? Yes. And if that were to start, I would say, I would label 1967 versus 1947, which was the Declaration of Independence of Israel, the war fought in 48. But Israel gets a hold of Jerusalem, which is epicenter for end time prophecy within the Bible. They have to be in control of it. So if you do have a timetable, but also understand biblically, a generation, it's classified as a 40 years as one example is in the wilderness. 70 and 80 years for rules of kings in the book of Psalms, two different dates there and 120 years for a life in Genesis 6, 3. So we don't know which term that we should use to define that with. And we have to be careful with the start of that fig tree generation. And we also know that the Jewish, Jewish people are trying to do the red Heer sacrifices as well to try and speed it up. Everybody's trying to speed things up for. And I don't know why nobody should want to go through the end time. They should not. I know how it ends.

[Danny]

Well, there's a certain sect of Christianity that wants to right that, that Israel is really lobbying to get over there. What is that sect called again? The Christians.

[Gary Wayne]

There's a huge lobby about the evangelistic even.

[Danny]

Yeah, the evangelicals.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay.

[Danny]

Yeah, the evangelicals, they, they're on the same page. They think that they're going to, to be raptured.

[Gary Wayne]

So yeah, they think they'll miss the last seven years and they don't have scripture for that, but they would argue that point. But there is no scripture there. But. And again, I. I believe in a rapture. I just think you want to be careful if you don't have clear scripture for something and that you're sort of making doctrine on something you don't have clear scripture for. So be careful that. But I want to get back to number 1947 just for a second.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Very important year, 1947. Roswell.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Gary Wayne]

And Admiral Byrd. So he goes to Antarctica in 1947, discovers, according to what we do get out from his interviews, portals into the Earth.

[Danny]

Admiral Byrd.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes.

[Danny]

Not ringing a bell.

[Gary Wayne]

And he goes, portals? Yes. And there's this whole world that's in there. You can still get interviews on them. People have books on them. You went there 10 years afterwards to the North Pole and said there's portals there as well, going to the same locations. You have 1947 as sort of a

[Danny]

very creation of the CIA.

[Gary Wayne]

And a creation of the CIA. It's a very pivotal year of them trying to move us into the end time. And them as in the polytheist movement. Huh. Now, that could be coincidence.

[Danny]

What do you think that was? What do you think Roswell was?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, I think it's. It's legitimate alien encounter, really. I would describe and define alien a little bit differently than the alien mythos.

[Danny]

But how would you describe aliens?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, alien is anything not from the physical Earth. So if you have fallen angels that come from another dimension in heaven, they are extraterrestrials. They're not from the Earth. They are alien of the Earth. So when you see in the alien mythos, the highest level that I've seen them produce is anunnaki. And there's two kinds of Anunnaki as you go back into prehistory. But Anunnaki are the gods, and there's all. And they're watchers and their offspring, giants. Just as Gilgamesh was an Anunnaki. Watcher were giants. Okay. So the Anunnaki are very evolved extraterrestrial beings who have high technology, angelic technology.

[Danny]

You think they were extraterrestrials?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, they're not from this Earth. They were created in heaven.

[Danny]

Right. I mean, it's all different dimension. It's all based on, like, what you. How you want to translate the words.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And you know that you have the ancient alien mythos that also looks at Nibiru as being another planet.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

That's associated with.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

Again, they're using stitchin on that and his translations, I would say, go back to interdimensional versus the narrative that they're trying to sell to us as intercollegiate galactic. So with that word nibiru of this 12th planet that's supposed to be coming back into our orbit, I'm not saying there might not be a 12th planet. I'm just saying it's not Nibiru from the Sumerian translation. So Nibiru means a crossing of a planet. And Nibiru Ki, ki being earth. But Nibiru ki in Sumerian is the name of the earth. Nibiru is where the gods reign from as a crossing, as in another dimension where the gods rule from. We get this crossing understood in Hebrew as the word abar and used in an end time Gog war in Ezekiel 39, where these travelers or passengers are described there that are walking amongst this destruction of this war. And that's the Hebrew word abar, that's crossing over from the dead into where the dead are said to be in the other world. In Agatha, in Shambhala, in Hades, in Sheol, they're all talking about the same place, but you can have in the earth, but in another dimension. And so baal, as we talked about earlier, he has a cave named after him on Mount Hermon, where the oath was taken to create the giants in the Book of Enoch. And it's called the gate of Hades. And in Ugaritic texts, he would come from the mountain of the north, which is Mount Hermon. North Sapphon Saffron is the term used in Ugaritic texts. They place that moreover for tear. But biblically, it's Mount Hermon.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Okay. And that's where the gate of Hades BAAL would come through in whatever period of time you want to use. Use for inspections of his realm, of the physical world. He would cross over from his world in the other world to the physical world to inspect his physical world empire as well. Because he was a chief God at that time. Right. Portals is a standard doctrine of polytheism known all around the world when we understand inner dimensions biblically as well. Where the pit prison is located, where Jesus visited those spirits while in prison in Tartarus, as it's described in the original Greek there. And this is also known as Sheol in the Old Testament, where the pit prison is located. These are standard concepts that have come down through the world to describe a place that's in another dimension. And so to cross over, you have to create some sort of technology to create portals. Portal is also understood as a dolmen if people aren't familiar with that term, it's spelled D O L, M, E, N. It's kind of like a Stonehenge. Like this.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

With two stones and a cross.

[Danny]

Yeah, I've seen them all over the place.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. So and like Stonehenge has them. Right. And these are thought to be places where the dead or the disembodied spirits, Rafa. Would come through, the elementals would come through. And these are. Would take a technology or a knowledge to open up those portals to go interdimensionally. So we have an alien mythos of these UAPS just disappearing, going nowhere. They just are gone. And we have accounts of them coming through bottoms of the oceans again and just disappearing. And so these are likely interdimensional crossings that they're making. And we're dealing with interdimensional beings. So in the alien disclosure, they haven't gotten to Anunnaki yet, which I'm surprised, but I guess that'll be coming. And there's going to be many more than these. But they gave us, as we see the information come out, these four different groups of aliens who did this, talking

[Danny]

about how put off some.

[Gary Wayne]

That. Who put off.

[Danny]

How put off.

[Gary Wayne]

Familiar with him? No, I'm not familiar with.

[Danny]

He came out. He used to work for the Star. He. He worked for the Department of Defense under the Stargate Program, I believe. And he said that he was briefed and he knows that there was. They told him there was four different species of aliens and he was tasked by what president was it? I want to say Reagan, to. To weigh the pros and cons of letting the public know about the aliens.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, they'll be whatever the source, and there's many people putting information out. They'll generally, I think, get to four different group. Four different groups at the ready to start disclosing all on. And if you Google alien disclosure and the four groups, you'll probably get the four pictures up there, but you're going

[Danny]

to have Reptilians, Grays, Nordics and something else.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, a praying mantis.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

Mantis, yes. Well, those are all creatures out of prehistory.

[Danny]

I knew it.

[Gary Wayne]

Offspring of the gods. And we can go through them if you want.

[Danny]

Well, I mean, yeah, there's. There's so many parallels between.

[Gary Wayne]

There they are.

[Danny]

Reptilians, Nordics, Grays and the mantis. Yeah, there's so many parallels with the UFO phenomena and the Bible and the biblical stuff. You know, even demons, you know, like the idea of the smell of sulfur, the cloven feet and the red eyes that do the way demons are described. There's accounts of. Of alien encounters with things that smell like salt and have red eyes and like, you know, and a.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, the crash.

[Danny]

UFO in the same.

[Gary Wayne]

The same vicinity the Afghanistan Giant has described.

[Danny]

The Kandahar Giant.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. Has the same smell. It's a common thing amongst these spurious beings. Spirits as an illegitimate offspring.

[Danny]

Yeah, just.

[Gary Wayne]

Why is there.

[Danny]

No. Why don't we have any evidence for it?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah.

[Danny]

What the hell's going on?

[Gary Wayne]

Well, we have it all throughout history. You know, you have one of those beings in there that's a Gray. So in book one, I give two accounts. One. One would be 100 years old, one would be 400 years old. And it's called a fairy abduction. And these fairy abductions, they come through these fairy portals, fairy dolmens, and they come with what we understand as a UFO or UAP today. And these flying machines and they kidnap people. And it's exact, exact same description that a Gray would do. And they do sexual experimentation. DNA, no Memory, all the details.

[Danny]

Reproduction.

[Gary Wayne]

Reproduction. They have to regenerate their DNA for some reason from humans.

[Danny]

Right, right.

[Gary Wayne]

Very suspicious. And so I put these fairy abductions, they're called the Gray Fairies, the Gray gnomes. From a specific group of elementals. There's four groups of elementals. I'll come back to that. They are. Are smaller beings. They are small beings. And when you look, when you talked about this.

[Danny]

Cherubs.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, well, cherubs are big.

[Danny]

I thought like the little. Little baby angels. What are they called?

[Gary Wayne]

They're not cherubs. Those baby angels, I thought they were called cherubs. No. Okay. They do call them cherubs, but they're not. They have four faces. One could be humans face. They're never to. Should never be depicted as. As babies. Right. Probably a smaller angel. Okay. Low level angel. So if that is one of the depictions, and I believe angels look like humans as well. So it could be in a baby form. One of the orders of the low bottom level angels in the hierarchy. So these. You mentioned Stargate in the Stargate series earlier. And they have these one group of Asgards out of the Norse mythology who are depicted as the Grays in that picture. Picture as aliens. Right. That's how these Grays, fairy grays are described. Exactly the same. And so they've been with us for a long period of time, just from this one. That goes back 400 years. But through the mythos, this has been going on since the flood. And before the flood. And they have this technology that's obviously way more advanced from us coming through portals and uap. So that's the grays that are being talked about there. Elementals is something you would be familiar with in polytheism if you're a polytheist. If you're a kung fu fanatic, they're going to talk about the four elements. Earth, air, wind and fire. If you're into magic and stuff, they're going to talk about those four elements. Those are basic elements of the world. These groups. Are three of them associated with the elemental groups or two of them are associated with the elemental groups. So for any Christians out there, before I move on, go to Galatians 4, verses 4, 9, and Colossians 2. You're going to have elementals that are associated with fallen angels that enslave us in this world. Talked about. And in Colossians 2, the word is going to be rudimentary and it's going to go back. All four of those applications go back to stoichi in the word Greek, which can mean a basic element of the world and an element associated or being associated with an element as you take that meaning back. And it's also the same meaning in polytheism. Again, no coincidence there. Yeah, right there. One's counterfeiting the other. I'll let you choose. I think the polytheists counter the monotheist aside. But have you ever heard things the other side.

[Danny]

Have you ever heard of the extra tempestrial model by Michael Masters?

[Gary Wayne]

Nope.

[Danny]

It's really interesting. He's a evolutionary biologist and he has a theory that these abduction phenomenas that are recorded throughout history of people being taken up and doing having, you know, their eggs or sperm extracted from them. His theory is that these are time travelers. One of his theories is that it could possibly be time travelers from the future who experienced a cataclysmic bottleneck in the genome where there was a nuclear war or something, an asteroid impact that. That really bottlenecked future humans where there was a big problem with inbreeding and what they needed to do. And they had the. They had the technology to time travel, so they wanted to go back in time to get samples of the human genome so they could diversify it back to the future where they were, or

[Gary Wayne]

they could just change the past because they could go back. They don't do that. It's kind of odd.

[Danny]

Yeah. Well, I got. He has no, no, he has a very compelling. No, I get an argument to that. What you just like a lot of

[Gary Wayne]

the argument, I just. There's that.

[Danny]

Right. Well, what you said about changing the past, he would say they can't change the past. All they can do is just do like specific. They can't like manipulate and change time because I, I don't.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, we get all of these complicated rules though. You can't because you don't know how it's gonna.

[Danny]

Physics.

[Gary Wayne]

Right.

[Danny]

Like block universe we're talking about Multiverse

[Gary Wayne]

comes out of the polytheist sponsoring of the seven sciences. Sure.

[Danny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You would call him a polytheist, right?

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. The branch of the same understanding. You know, it's hilarious. Yeah, it's like Scientology. It's the same. It's the same thing. It's a different branch. So physics, well, it's all advancing of the gnosis of the knowledge. It's a knowledge. Religion, Physics. Physics.

[Danny]

Understanding physics. And the. And the manipulation of time. And.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, so they, they break it down as the seven sacred sciences or the seven liberal arts. It's going to have things like, you know, music and rhetoric and grammar, but also has arithmetic. Right. So. And it's part of. And the alchemy. It's part of the whole process of development of how this world works and understanding of it and manipulating that. So it's all part of.

[Danny]

So polytheists created the nuclear bombs.

[Gary Wayne]

Oh, I wouldn't necessarily.

[Danny]

They were doing physics.

[Gary Wayne]

They were, but. And again, the scientists, you know, they would like that you to use for good, not for evil. So I'm not saying the people who developed them were evil, but knowledge has two sides to it and we want to be very careful on what we develop. Otherwise it could be used for evil. And certainly didn't take long to drop the bomb, did it? And that's a. It's kind of a destruction by fire that would be a prototype for the end time. Time.

[Danny]

So would you call the people that develop that kind of technology polytheists?

[Gary Wayne]

Not necessarily. They may not know they're following the whims of the polytheists. If you're secular, you're just considered with the science. You're not concerned with who's controlling the science.

[Danny]

Yeah, but if you not know if they are the one that are. If they are the ones that are. Only if you're doing stuff and splitting

[Gary Wayne]

the atom and if you're not an adept, you're not told any of the stuff as to what we're going to use this for or why we want

[Danny]

this developed, all those people knew what they were using it for.

[Gary Wayne]

Well, for. For A war of that time, sure, but not for the bigger picture.

[Danny]

Right? You mean like creating the end times, bringing back the anti. That kind of thing?

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, Right.

[Danny]

But this guy, this guy, Mike Masters is a, is an evolutionary biologist. So he, like, what he believes is that, you know, know, just based on the modern understanding of physics, is that if you extrapolate into the future, eventually we will be able to figure out time travel. So if it's possible that in the future we do figure out time travel, you know, and there is, we know it's possible for there be to be a cataclysmic bottleneck of the human genome, why wouldn't we go back in time and try to extract the DNA from our ancestors? To, to do that? Like that seems like a why.

[Gary Wayne]

Why? I mean, it's just the logic of it. If you're allowed to travel back in time, why are you restricted from anything else? If you're going to restrict it, just don't let people travel back in time. Like it seems. It seemed like a very poor thing because you could do all sorts of other things to affect the development of the world. I mean, it's like the butterfly effect. You do one little thing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

You have no idea how it disrupts, but yet if they're coming back in mass numbers, through mass, massive amounts of generations, you create a lot of effects that they wouldn't have been able to control from the feature. And you get into this Pandora, not Pandora, Right. But this conundrum, right, that you can't resolve.

[Danny]

Right, right. And that's where the theory of the multiverse comes in. Right. When you come in and you tinker with something, you change a little. One little thing like, like when you hit a golf ball, you can hit the angle just like a millimeter off, and it's going to affect it by hundreds of yards, or not hundreds of yards, but like a very big distance in its final outcome. So like if you do this in your manipulating tiny little things in the past, it's going to have a cascading effect into the future. And that's why, you know, I don't know what, what's going on. I don't, I'm too dumb to understand this physics, but multiverse ideas, and I

[Gary Wayne]

find, I find all of those things interesting. Yeah, but is it the right sort of approach to understand things? That's sort of where your biases is going to sort of.

[Danny]

I don't know. I don't know if anyone knows if it's the right approach. I mean, you can believe you can believe it's the wrong approach or you can believe it's the right approach, but is it ultimately the right or wrong? I don't think we'll ever know.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And I tend not to, you know, try and convince people of beliefs. Right, yeah. So. But it's an interesting sort of theory and as we understand things from our perspective, it sort of makes some sense. But then there's all these other things that keep coming up. It could be we're just too mundane to understand that, which again, I. I certainly sort of accept. But what is interesting is it's telling from a different angle the same types of things which goes to the common denominator of whether parts of all of that are true or not. So I think where that has common denominators from other sort of angles, I think that's what we look at for the understanding. Right. Does that make sense?

[Danny]

Oh, totally, yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

So, yeah, it's very, very interesting. So you have these beings that are what I think that are interdimensional, which are these elementals. They come out of the ugly group of the elementals.

[Danny]

Or it could just be they're hiding under the oceans.

[Gary Wayne]

They could be under the oceans too. Absolutely.

[Danny]

Maybe it could be like an ancient. Maybe it could be the Anunnaki. And when the flood came, they decided to build their cities under the oceans. And we've explored less of the oceans than we've explored of Mars.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the narrative is intergalactic. Expect that to continue.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

I disagree that there's multiple narratives.

[Danny]

I don't think most people subscribe to the intergalactic narrative anymore. I think most people are probably of the. I think people are. There's multiple flavors of this whole thing. I think there's. You do have the intergalactic one, but you also have the interdimensional. You have the biblical, you have the undersea, and you have the strictly all military stuff that's all about.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And the important thing to understand is that common understanding for our legacy and where we're going and to do your own research to understand why you believe what you believe and then make that decision. But try and be objective on it if. If you can, but as objective as you can. So when we look at those reptilians there, the Gnostic said the Nahash, the serpent was taller than a human, the size of a camel. And so the alien mythos has these as taller than humans as well, and higher than the lower elementals of the three little ones. Three groups of little ones. Associated with Earth, water and air versus fire that these are called. And the fourth group is salamanders or the Reptilians. And they're taller than humans in the alien mythos, again, they're taller than humans and they're higher than the Grace. They're higher in the hierarchy. And that when we look at the Reptilians, again, we have a Hollow Earth mythos out there as well, where the Reptilians live in the Earth.

[Danny]

Right.

[Gary Wayne]

And they're described the same way. Right, Right. So again I look at the common denominator and then I see them show up in the alien disclosures. And I've been talking about this for over 10 years, that these groups are going to be named as part of it because that's what they've been preparing us for. You have the, the Nordics as they're described, pale skin, like giants. And there are three varieties of hair colors. Dark hair, red hair, blonde hair, dark hair, generally with dark eyes, but can also have blue, but mostly dark colored eyes. The blond hair and red haired ones, also associated with Atlantis, have pale skin, hazel eyes and blue eyes. Just as the Tuatha du Danan, which are Scythians, which are Indo Aryans, have red hair and blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin. These are also known as the Tuatha du Danan or the Fair Folk or the Fairy folk. These are the giants. They're depicted in Lord of the Rings and part of occult literature as the white elves, which are not part of the dark elves, which are part of the little ones, part of the Elementals. These are giants, as are Pitic as they're allegorized, just as they're called the Sedeh or the Shi Dawain in the Royals. These are the she people, which are the Tuatha Dudanan or the Fair Folk. So you can Google a picture that's called Riders of the Cid S I D H E. It's pronounced all sorts of different ways and it's going to have that imagery of these Nordics and a whole bunch of serpentine imagery. And these are the To Atha du Danan because they are the Seed or the Shay people. And again, you could do a whole show just on that topic there. But in the Lord of the Rings they're depicted in the same way. And this is an Antediluvian story that has these little elementals in there. They have dwarves, which are also part of the ugly group that the gnomes are part of that make the weapons of the Demigods and in the Lord of the Rings are depicted in the mountains making the weapons for these other larger beings. And so at the end of the Lord of the Rings you have this strange scene that's an allegory where you have them all leaving, except for the humans on a boat on the water. Because now it's the time of humans. That's the flood. This is depicting what happened before the flood when all of these groups of people were existing. The House of Dragon is entertainment literature encapsulating a time before the flood with all of these types of creatures as well. It's just polytheist history form put into entertainment for us. And now we have two groups and three groups now that are associated with spurious offspring of the gods. Separate, separate groups. And you have the elementals, you have the giants, you have the salamanders, which are part of the elementals, which are seemingly like the Nahash. And now you have these insectoids. They're the crypto aspect of it. So what's interesting is with these ones, they are something different and there's not as much available about them throughout prehistory, but at the time of the flood, the Hopi have a history, oral tradition where they are going to be saved by a prophetic, capable people, or at least understand science as to what's going to happen, what might be coming at them. And these are the ant people. And these ant people are going to. And they're great warriors from the subterranean so in the earth. And they're going to create these subterranean vaults for them to survive the flood. And they're described like these cryptoids, the mantis people, as they're more accurately described there. And they also described after the flood, this great white, white Hopi, this great white snake clan that comes from this island continent to help them re civilize after the flood. So a serpentine group after the flood. So they're bridging both sides of the flood with people that we know because the White Snake clan would be like those pale white original serpentine giants early after the flood, because they would have liked like, just like their procreators, if they survive the flood and like as their procreators after the flood in the first few generations. So now we also have an accounting with Zeus who goes to an island, who creates a whole race of people that are as large as bin from ants. They're called the Mirror Mids and they're called in this mythos, for the most part, the mantis. And mantis is like a praying insect for a mantis. Right. And I think aptly chosen for that name as well. And it's also Greek for the word for a prophet or a soothsayer or an oracle, and possibly even a prophet is extended to a sort of monotheist sort of understanding. And again, I don't think any of that that is coincidental when they've come to save the Hopi from this coming cataclysm that they had the ability to see in the future. So what do you take from that? That we're going to get false prophets from a monotheist perspective, from prophets from a polytheist. Good prophets from a polytheist perspective, and from an alien mythos. Good aliens who are trying to help us get through this age of cataclysms that are coming at us.

[Danny]

That is wild, man. You.

[Gary Wayne]

And they're all interdimensional.

[Danny]

You are connecting so many dots and threading so many needles here, man. It's hard to keep up, but it's fascinating. We're gonna have to do a part two on this for sure. I know there's a ton. There's a ton more that we can cover. I know we've only scraped the surface here, but we just hit three hours.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah, I know. And I get very passionate and into it when I'm telling about these details.

[Danny]

Well, I can see why. I mean, it's very, very interesting stuff.

[Gary Wayne]

Yeah. And it helps us to try and understand things and that's what we're trying to do. So I would encourage people to do. What you should do in doing research is consider everything. Thing.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Gary Wayne]

And then try and figure out how you put that together.

[Danny]

Yeah. It's very rare people do that. You know, most people are. They stay in one lane. They. They have one. One lane of study and one lane of focus. And it's very rare you find somebody who's just interdisciplinary and looking at all the aspects and all the evidence and trying to fit it all together. And you do a great job, man. Thank you.

[Gary Wayne]

Thank you for doing. You're welcome. And hopefully we raised a few eyebrows.

[Danny]

Yeah. I'm sure we did. Tell people about your books, where to get them. Them. Do you have a website?

[Gary Wayne]

I have a website. The genesis6conspiracy.com. That's the number six conspiracy.com on that website. I have a generous excerpt of each of the first two books. And these are the most annotated books you're going to find. I have.

[Danny]

You have like 100 pages of. Of sources in the back.

[Gary Wayne]

I do. So people can verify my sources. And I like Let seculars speak for themselves. I let polytheists speak for themselves. I let secret society people speak for themselves so people know I'm not manipulating their words. And I have the sources. And for book two, I even have more annotations for the Christians in terms of the Bible and give them additional information that's not in this book. So about 10% overlap on the books. This one's designed for somebody who wants to go deep. Book two into the Bible. Bible. If you're not familiar with the Bible, start with book one. But you're going to find it's the most unique books, the two most unique books on the market. And book one came out about 11 years ago. It sells more books every year.

[Danny]

Oh, wow.

[Gary Wayne]

So it remains relevant.

[Danny]

And the latest one is the oprio conspiracy.

[Gary Wayne]

Yes. AI's covenant with Babylon. And so Babylon is a knowledge religion. AI should, should be connected to that. So on my website, if you like what I'm talking about and you want to support me, I don't accept donations and so the only thing I accept is book sales. So off the website you can go over to the Buy now page. And on the Buy now page there is five pages. Buy page for book one is buy page one by page two is for book two. By page three is for the Oprimo conspiracy. AI's covenant with Babylon. It's a novel about the end time. And by page four is bundling for books one and two. By page five is bundling for all three books with discounts on each of those. By pages there is a page for the us, a page for Canada, a page for anywhere else in the world. Oh fantastic. It's all in US funds I ship all over the world. There are also links over to Amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com and Amazon ca if you want a link directly over there after reading about the information and buy from them because they will be less money than me based on my contracts and shipping costs. But if you want a signed copy, I sell at the retail price and I charge only what it charges me to ship the book. And you can also link over to Amazon for the Kindle versions of book one and two and you can also get the Kindle version for the Oprimo Conspiracy. I don't have a link up there. The Audible version is due out now. So once I get back I will have my website guide put up the links for the Audible version and for the Kindle version I'll get more information up there about book one as well. In the OPRIMO Conspiracy. And. And yes, there will be a book two in that one, as there will be another one for that series down the road, but probably a primo Conspiracy Part two, because we only got to the third seal.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Gary Wayne]

But we wanted to set the settings for the rest of the sequel one more time. The website name genesis6.conspiracy.com. that's the number six. Conspiracy.com.

[Danny]

perfect. We'll make sure it's Sleep below for everybody. Thanks again.

[Gary Wayne]

Thank you.

[Danny]

All right, good night, folks.