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- [00:07]
A
The eyebrow tattoo?
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B
Yeah, let's start there. That. That's one that's out there like that.
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A
Post Malone tattooed a dick on your face for. That was his. Your 50th birthday present, is that right?
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B
Pretty much.
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A
Yeah, pretty much.
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B
It was. It happened specifically the day after I turned 50. Wow.
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A
Yeah, it's pretty legendary. Did you tattoo him back?
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B
We had actually exchanged tattoos prior to that. There's the ghost with the boner that I gave him and he gave me. Yeah, so that was fun.
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A
Oh, my God. We had Novak on here a couple the last time. Shane. Well, it was also, by the way, this hat rack is back on the podcast the last time he was here. Were you here for Novak?
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C
Yeah.
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A
Last time you were here for Brandon Novak. Me and him grew up watching CKY and Jackass and all and Wild Boys and all that stuff. So every time, like, one of you guys come in, it's like a celebrity event for us.
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B
So how. How old are you guys?
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A
37.
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C
37.
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B
Nice.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So middle school, growing up, tattoos. What was the one? He had a tattoo, some guy, like, tattooed on his face or something when he was sleeping at Bam's house. And then tattooed around the stain was that he had.
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C
He had the tattoo artist, like, on his arm or something, and then tattooed around it. That was pretty. Next level.
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B
Yeah. It's old Novak versus new Novak is a stark, contrasting, real dude.
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C
It's wild to see how far you guys have come. For sure. I feel like you and Novak were definitely more of the top tier, wilder ones out of.
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A
Out of the group. Yeah.
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C
Yeah. It's crazy to see you guys make, like, full turnarounds and just. And even still be here. Right?
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B
I mean, no doubt, like, 100.
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A
And the fact that you're, like, so together, too, like, you got it together, and. And like, you look like you're pretty healthy.
- [02:06]
B
I take reasonably good care of myself. I say reasonably, like, man, I was on it with the fitness and. And the diet and the every everything. And, like, I've admittedly kind of fallen off with. With my diet and my exercise to some extent, but my baseline isn't terrible.
- [02:25]
C
Yeah, you were saying you're doing, like, sauna and cold plunge.
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B
I got it at my house, and I'm all about it.
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C
Yeah. Danny has one. We just did it before we came here.
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B
Oh, yeah. Sonic and cold plunge.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to do it before a lot of podcasts because it just, like, wakes you up, you know, gets the body moving.
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B
So what. What are the temperatures?
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A
You do cold plunge is at 45.
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B
Okay, that's.
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A
But I run the. The jets in it, so it feels like it's really, like 30. It feels way colder. So when you run the bubbles in it, it makes it ten times more unbearable. Because when you get in at first, normally it hurts for the first minute, and then after that, it's pretty easy. But when you run the bubbles, it just sucks the whole time.
- [03:03]
B
Yeah, it's crazy. Like, 50 to 45. That's where once you're like, 45, you might as well just go lower. Almost like it gets so, so nuts. But. But, you know, as a sober guy, I really, like, get a kick out of the way that coming from the super hot, going into the super cold and then coming out, like, you get an actual buzz for sure.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I call it a free lapse, A freelance. It's like, you know, it's so funny, and it's such a big fun thing with my sober buddies, you know, we get together and, you know, like. And it's just so. And it's so funny. It's like, you know, I. I got other people saying, yeah, no wonder you love to do that with your sober buddy.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
But, yeah, no, I. I really do enjoy that. And I think that you sleep really well.
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A
The first time I ever did the cold plunge, I felt like I just did cocaine afterwards. Like that. That's how euphoric it. It felt at first. I think that's. Yeah.
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C
I mean, your heart's beating all fast.
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A
And you don't get triggered or anything by, like, drugs and al.
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B
Mean, I'm pretty diligent about, you know, staying active in the recovery community.
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A
So, like, how long have you been sober?
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B
17 years.
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A
I was betting him before we came here. I'm like, I think it was 10 years. He goes, I'm taking the under on that. There's no way over seven. Over ten years.
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B
Yeah. Is that crazy? I got sober March 10th of 2008. Holy. Yeah.
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A
That's amazing, dude.
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B
I mean, I couldn't be more grateful, man. It's like, I mean, without being sober, I'd be so screwed.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So, like, being in a comedy club, seeing people just, like, slamming beers and drinking liquor, doesn't bother you?
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B
I mean, the way that we work it, it's like you ask yourself, do you have a legitimate reason for putting yourself in an environment where people are drinking? Like, the difference for me is when it comes to smoking pot. Like, because, like, if we're sitting here and you're, like, smoking pot, then I've Got secondhand smoke, like, entering my lungs. And, like, to me, that is, like, a super bummer. And then on top of that, like, I love the way marijuana smells, you know, Like, I don't want to be smelling it.
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A
Right?
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B
Like, and I don't want it entering my body. That's why there is, like, such the controversy, you know, like, the. The headlines went. When I said that, you know, I was just confused and kind of offended when Bill Maher asked me to be going his podcast. But I knew that, like, he's a prolific pothead. And I was like, hey, you know, could you not smoke pot for me? And he was like, oh, no, that's what I do. That's a deal breaker.
- [05:58]
C
Really?
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B
I just thought that's weird because, like.
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A
After you had already gotten there.
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B
No, no, no, no. This was in advance.
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A
Okay, I got you.
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B
No big deal. But it's like, Mike Tyson's podcast is called Hot Boxing. Mike Tyson is, like, a prolific pothead. Like, big time. Be real. You don't get more like Mount Rushmore of potheads than, like, be real and both be real and Mike Tyson, like, we're okay with making it an hour without smoking pot, like, because I don't want to breathe it into my lungs, you know? And it's crazy how that divided the Internet. Like, so many people were like, dude, Steve O. Like, you know, like, kind of like what you imagined Kirk Hammett might be thinking. Yeah, you know, I just. Yeah. And I don't want to belabor that point or. Or drag Bill Maher and through the mud anymore.
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A
Yeah, that's a weird thing.
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B
I just use that as an example because, like, like, what's in your cup is not entering my body right now. There's another sort of level to it where, like, if you're sitting there snorting lines of cocaine, then you know, that's not going to be entering my body. But I don't need to be around that because there's not really, you know, casual, like, you know, social cooking, you know, Like. Like. Like there's. It's totally reasonable for people to be drinking in a way that's not.
- [07:30]
A
Right.
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B
Like, you know, in your face about it. It's not about In. In your face, but there's. It's reasonable for people to be drinking in a moderate, healthy, like, not destructive. And. And, you know, but, like, that just doesn't really apply to cocaine.
- [07:45]
A
Right. Somebody who's on cocaine. Your personality doesn't really jive with somebody who's not doing cocaine. You typically both people have to be doing cocaine to be, like, the same level.
- [07:53]
B
It just. I think that. So I just don't need to be around that necessarily. And for that matter, if you were sitting there getting, like, knocking back like a dozen shots in a row and slo drunk, like, I wouldn't want to be around that either.
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A
Right, you know? Yeah, of course. But it's all about moderation, right? Like, it's all about moderation.
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B
One thing that I'm not capable of. Yeah, I. I resign myself to that. I'm not a moderate guy.
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A
It's all or nothing. Yeah, no, that's the. That's the crazy thing about. You know, some people can be. Can do stuff and like, dabble in certain things, whether it be drugs or gambling or. Or whatever the it is. And some people, like, whether it be genetic or whether it be just like the way they were raised, like their early life, they can't. They can't manage it, you know?
- [08:40]
B
How do you feel about the way that gambling is just, like, such a gnarly epidemic at this point?
- [08:47]
A
I love gambling, dude. I love sports betting the best because it makes it so much more fun. When you watch the games or the fights and you actually, like, have a bet or like a parlay, you're so much more locked. I don't think it's. I don't think gambling's a problem. I think it's the people that are the problem. It's just. It's the same thing with driving, right? Like, driving kills a ton of people when they drink and mix drugs with it. You do it the wrong way or you can't manage it or like, like guns, right. If you can't. Don't know how to use a gun or know about gun safety, right. You shouldn't be. You shouldn't be using a gun.
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B
Right.
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A
And it's like you got to. You got to, like, gamble in moderation. You got to be able to control yourself. Just like with using drugs. If you want to do coke every once in a while, God bless you, but you shouldn't be doing it every single day before and after.
- [09:33]
B
I don't know that anybody can do coke once. I mean, maybe. I suppose they can. I've heard stories about. About people that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
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A
I know a lot of people. I know a lot of people who can do coke and manage themselves and like, live very successful lives, like, like functioning on.
- [09:49]
B
Right, right, right. I think that's very interesting because I got really, really bent out of shape at one point. I was like, you know, the. The last year, 2024 was like, a pretty difficult year for me, like, in general. And I. I was like, all right, you know, coming into this year, I remember thinking, like, okay, you know what? Like, I gotta, like, just double down on, you know, recovery, just being a good guy, and, like, faith in the universe, like, having order and intelligence to it. And if I just, like, you know, really, like, make that my priority, everything else is going to work out. And in the very beginning of this year, I had a random opportunity to go interview Mark Wahlberg for my podcast.
- [10:54]
A
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- [12:22]
B
And I was like, you know, the talking to him, and I was like, really? Like in this space. And I know that he's like a, you know, very religious guy. And I was like. I was like, man, you know, like, what. What I feel so strongly about at this point is, you know, my relationship with God. You know, like, call it whatever you want, the universe, God, but. But, like, I really felt passionately about that, you know, in them. And I do still now it was a great interaction. Then you know, cut to like a week later, two weeks later, whatever it was, and I was walking with my dog through a state park and it occurred to me that as the podcast had just gone live, that I had the audacity to talk about how important I felt my relationship with God was. And cut from that conversation to a promotion for gambling. You know, just thought like, oh my God. Like I just, I, I, I was like, it just, it just, it just hit me like a, like, just like a, a ton of bricks. I was like, oh my God. I was like, I, I felt like I don't have to look at the comment section to know, like, just people are like, you know, like hypocrite. Like, oh my God. Yeah, like wait, you know, and, and I, I, that's when like negative feedback like really affects me is when I agree with it, you know, and so like I didn't, like, I didn't have to look and I just knew that, that, and I was just like, man, I just can't do that anymore, you.
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A
Know, I don't think gambling's the devil though.
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B
Well, I mean if you look at like the, the, the, the, like how much money is generated by it, like, you know, like how much they pay podcasters to, to promote gambling, how much like everywh this money's coming from somewhere. It's like kind of like looking at Las Vegas, like each new casino is like a bigger and more extravagant like a billion. You know, it's like it's pretty self evident to look at Las Vegas that the, what's building all of these amazing huge.
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A
Not winners.
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B
Yeah, like. Right. And so I don't know, I think that, that the statistics on, on gambling are really pretty gnarly and, and it's just so in your face all the time and whatever, you know, like I, I agree because exactly what I said about your dinner with Kirk Hammond could totally apply here. It's like, hey, you know, like it's totally reasonable for people to gamble in a moderate way. Like, yeah, I just like it just it, I mean, and you gotta follow your gut is what it is, you know, like, and my gut told me, man, I can't mess with that anymore.
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C
So I'm just not, it's a slippery slope.
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B
Yeah, I've not promoted gambling since.
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A
Oh really?
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B
Yeah, my.
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A
What's this we've got, what do you got here? Oh, we got statistics on gambling. U s was estimated 1.9 billion in total gambling advertising in what year? 2023. That's a. That's a decent amount of money. There's no regulation, dude.
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B
Well, I mean, it's pretty. It's pretty gnarly. Like, and. And a lot of. I think that they break it down to, like, per household, like, how much money is being lost, you know, like, and I saw some crazy statistics, and I was like, man, it's pretty bad. I don't. I don't. I don't. Like, personally, I was excited. I don't want to be a part of that.
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A
Yeah, no.
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B
And. And then it's clear how I got into it, you know, Like, I'm a super rabid UFC fan.
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A
I know.
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B
You know, like, I love watching the fight. So when. When it first came up, it was like, oh, you know, like, this gambling company wants you to, like, make your picks. And I was like, oh, dude. Like, okay, man. Like, we got. We got this fight coming up to you, and I think this is gonna, like. And. And so I just let my. My. My passion as a UFC fan just, like, go right into the.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I don't need to belabor that too much. And. And certainly I'm not, you know, I'm not the arbiter of anybody else's decisions, you know? Yeah, I just thought that was interesting.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, to your point. It is. It's, like, everywhere now. It's, like, in your face everywhere. And it's definitely different than any time in the past. It's just totally normalized, and I enjoy doing it, too. But, yeah, I mean, it's like, you got to be skeptical of why is it so in your face all the time? It's definitely not good for you.
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A
Yeah, it's predatory because, I mean, it's the same thing that, like, the cigarette industry used to do before they got regulated.
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B
My dad was a big tobacco CEO.
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A
He was.
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B
Yeah. And then I thought he was.
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A
I thought he worked for Pepsi or something.
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B
He did.
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A
Oh, okay.
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B
Both. Yeah, he worked for Pepsi. Then he started working for RJ Reynolds Tobacco. And during the 1980s, it became, like, really, like, like, beyond conclusive that cigarettes caused cancer and killed people and stuff. And so this. The tobacco companies were kind of scrambling to buy food companies, right? You know, kind of, like, hedging, like, their. This other business going down. Like, food's always going to be okay. So at the time, like, the biggest corporate merger or takeover like, in, like, the history of the world was the. The. The merging of RJR Tobacco with Nabisco. It became RJR Nabisco, and my dad had an Aberrationally strong year that year. He became, like, a big old, important corporate executive for Nabisco.
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A
What year was this?
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B
This was 1983. Going into 1984.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
My dad ended up being, like, the president of Nabisco International.
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C
Holy.
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B
Yeah, I think that's right. So, yeah, in retrospect, my dad sold, you know, soda, cigarettes, and cookies, so he's a mass murderer.
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A
Oh, God. Oh, God. It is the trifecta, dude.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Who would have known?
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B
It's funny, man. God, my dad's, like, super, like, doom and gloom for, like, the longest time. He's been talking about, like, the.
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A
Is he still alive?
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B
Yeah, he's 82.
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A
Holy shit.
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C
Relationship with.
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B
Super close.
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A
Really?
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B
Oh, yeah. Big. And he lives in Florida, so I was just with them.
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A
No shit.
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B
Yeah. Fucking love my dad.
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A
Has he always been a big supporter of everything you've been doing?
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B
No, like, when. You know, like, when I went to the University of Miami and, like, super, like, flunked out and, you know, I was homeless, like, and then I. Then I ended up going to clown college. Like, you know, he couldn't really. Yeah, he couldn't really get on. Super. On board with my son's going to clown college.
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C
That's here in Florida, too, right?
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B
Yeah, he was in Sarasota.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Was being the operative word. They closed it down after my class. Oh, yeah, yeah. The final class was 1997, but it was after clown college. After clown college. And to my dad's credit, before I had earned any kind of money, like, being a stunt dude or whatever or. Or even a clown, for that matter, my dad, like, initiated a conversation with me. He said that he felt he had done a disservice to me by not supporting me in this career path that I had chosen that, you know, But I'm clearly. It's clearly you're committed to this. And so, like, I just want you to be happy. I want you to be the best. I want you to know that I support you. And, like, that conversation really put wind in my sails. And I remember, like, at the time, there was this show on TV called Real tv, and the commercials said, like, do you have any footage that we might want to see? Like, this caught on, you know, camera. Like, if you have any footage you think we might want to see, then call this number and send it in. So I called the number and I said, I don't have footage you might want to see. I have footage you need very badly, you know? And they got back to me. They were like, okay, we like the footage of you setting yourself on fire and doing the simultaneous fire breathing front flip off the roof of the three story building, which is what it was like. I don't know how, how they described it, but they said they want to pay me $500 for exclusive rights to this video. And I was like, what's exclusive mean? I never heard of that. And they said that that means that you, that we own it, that you don't own it anymore. You know, like. And I was like, oh, that's kind of sounds like that sucks. You know, like. And so I called up my dad, like kind of freaking like dad, dad. And, and I'll never forget my dad was like, hey, calm down, this is easy. It's. It's a no brainer. Like it sounds like exclusivity is a deal breaker for you. So tell them that, that you want it to be non exclusive, meaning that they have the rights to use it but you still own it. And tell them that they need to give you a thousand bucks for non exclusive. And so I just said that and they gave it to me.
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C
It worked.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So from, from, from that point, my dad was in my corner, you know, like.
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A
Yeah, super cool. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like he was greasing the business wheels.
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C
Yeah, he's looking out for you.
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B
He wasn't like thrilled about me like risking my life and, and you know, like the nature of what I did. But, but he accepted it and, and he got behind me on the business side of it.
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A
That's incredible, dude.
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B
Yeah. So what initially like kind of, you know, put us apart. It ultimately brought us together.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Super cool.
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A
That is really cool.
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B
Yeah. And like super together. So my dad was even. My dad retired when he was, I don't know, I guess maybe 50. So I'm at the age right now when my dad retired and at this point my dad's on my payroll.
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A
Really?
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B
Yes.
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C
He probably didn't see that coming.
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A
Dude. CEO in Nabisco. I pictured be living in like a waterfront mansion in like Naples or something.
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B
I got. He's got some water. Yeah, I mean not, not Naples. He's in, he's in South Florida over on like the West Palm side.
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A
Oh, okay. So an even bigger.
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B
Yeah, I mean it's not, it's not crazy. Like, it's not, it's modest. He's been retired for a long time. Like he, I think it's, you know, as if he's comfortable, you know, lives, you know, reasonably modestly, but very, very comfortably and.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah, he's awesome. Man, he's just.
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A
Palm beach ain't cheap, dude.
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C
Is he over there playing golf?
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B
He plays golf twice. Dude, I just played my first round of golf.
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C
Oh, no way, man.
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B
Last week.
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A
First ever.
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C
Oh man.
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B
First ever. Yeah. Because I've got this property in Tennessee, like this 44 acres. I got all this land and it was just like, I was like, oh man, you know, like what do for fun? And I was like, I'm gonna get a golf club. Just, just whack. I don't know what I was one. I, I just got one golf club. I, I think it was like, guess it would be like a three wood or a four wood, you know, like. And I was just about the one club and a bunch of balls and I was some teeth. I was just like, I'm just gonna whack it, you know? And like I no clue what I'm doing, but I just started having more fun. And it seemed like each time I did it, I got like a little bit better at like whacking the plate, you know. And finally I was like, you know what? This is just getting too fun. I think I'm gonna give it a try. And my, my girl, we, we're always like, she loves Goodwill and thrift stores, so. And the thrift store is like some garage sale ass, like wedge clubs. I'm like, oh, dude, now I gotta start working with these ones. I start like doing like little chip shots at my ranch and.
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A
So addicting.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Do you see you play golf?
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C
Oh yeah, yeah, we played.
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B
Yeah, dude. I mean, I've done nine holes. Yeah, it was my first. And we filmed the whole thing. You know, my dad's not gonna be around forever and like, I know that golf is, is probably going to be something that like, like. Well, yeah, and like even like, you know, beyond like when, when my dad's not around, like, golf's just gonna like represent that, you know, like it's gonna be like a connection now. Like, I don't know, but it's super healthy too.
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A
It's super healthy just to be outside and walk around outside.
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B
Especially Florida walking's a big deal, dude. It's so funny because like you filmed the. I'm working on this documentary and, and we were filming my dad and I play golf and I was like, dad, like, do, do people just always golf with their shirt on and just end up with stupid looking farmers tans? Like, like when, like it doesn't make sense to me. Like, if you're gonna be out in the sun, like, take your shirt off and my dad was like, oh, no, no. Like, so it's something like, oh, so it's like, it's not classy to not have a dumb farmer's. Can you dad's like, well, you know, like, people don't take their shirt. People don't go shirtless, so you would never know they have a farmer. And I was just like, that's dumb, man. And my dad said, he said he wouldn't feel comfortable golfing with somebody who was shirtless. Yeah, I, I feel like I, I, I wouldn't be comfortable golfing with a bunch of people who are, like, in the sun with their shirt on.
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C
Maybe you could change the stigma behind it.
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A
Yeah. No golf. Yeah.
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B
Do you, like, do you go to, like, a golf course where people just want to have an even tan? They golf with their shirt off?
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A
No, actually, you know, I've never even thought about it, but I've never seen anybody at a golf course. They don't let you. That's what golf courses are. So it's the dumbest thing in the world. They're so stuck up, especially the ones in, like, the Northeast by, like, New Jersey. And those golf courses, they have, like, a. Those golf courses have, like, a card with the skin tones. You have to be, like, just white enough to get in there. Like, you can't be black.
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B
Wait, what?
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A
Dude, golf courses are racist as.
- [27:12]
B
Wait, overtly.
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A
Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's like that anymore, but, like, it was just, like, it wasn't that recent.
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B
You can start, like, you're saying, literally, like, you have to be this tall to go on this ride.
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A
You have to be this white to golf here.
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C
I remember one of the first times I went with Danny. I showed up in blue jeans and went into golf golf. And they, they wouldn't let me golf in blue jeans. I had to buy a new pair of pants in there.
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A
I mean, that's not even that. That's not even that.
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B
I mean, that just makes it, you know, and then this calls to mind why I had, like, such a resistance to golf for so long, you know, like, yep, yep. I. Yeah, dude, I got date. Now. I'm like.
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A
My buddy Julian was a caddy at one of, like, the biggest golf courses in New Jersey, the one that, like, all the presidents used to golf at. And he. So he would go there, and they would pay him to basically, like, run their golf clubs to wherever their ball went. He was like a golden retriever for, like, golfing, and he, he would have to get there like an hour before the golfers got there. So he showed up. He told me he showed up to one of these golf courses. I think it was like Bedminster or something at like 5am and that's new Jersey. This is in New Jersey. Yeah, yeah. And he kept his like, is that a Trump course? I think it might be, maybe, I'm not sure. Bedminster golf course. Look it up. And. And he got there and like he wasn't dressed yet because it was 5am he was still wearing his like his like board shorts or whatever he slept in and like a T shirt. And he got out of his car. I went to his trunk to get his clothes and the dude in the clubhouse started like sprinting towards his car.
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B
No, get back in the car.
- [28:55]
A
Wouldn't even let him out of his car unless he was like, dress with a tucked in shirt, a belt on, all that.
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B
Funny. It's like when I was in the circus, you know, like it was very badminster.
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A
Yeah, that is a Trump chorus.
- [29:08]
B
It was very, very, like not okay to be like partially in clown makeup, like without your nose on or something, you know, like, like, like walking around with like clown makeup, not your wig or something's, like, no, dude, like you do not. You will not be. And that makes sense.
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A
Totally.
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B
Yeah. You do not.
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A
Oh God.
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C
Get your nose on now.
- [29:34]
B
Yeah.
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A
So when did you find God? You were talking about God a minute ago.
- [29:39]
B
I mean, fine God. I don't know. Like, if I was, if I was to pinpoint a time when like I, I had spiritual inclinations, it would absolutely be before I got sober.
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A
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B
Thanks to Iristore Like I had wild psychosis, like hallucinations, like hearing voices. And to this day I like absolutely believe that that, that was like when.
- [31:44]
A
You were on ketamine.
- [31:46]
B
Ketamine didn't, I didn't, don't remember hearing voices on ketamine. But yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on with that. Particularly like the combination of cocaine and nitrous oxide and sleep deprivation was, I would say my, my main portal into like the Jesus. Not Jesus. Like I don't, I don't care for, you know, religion, right. So much. Like I, you know, like if I have a spiritual like, you know, belief about the, you know, what's beyond our, our you know, 3D like, you know, physical human experience. I get it from accounts of near death experiences which are very like dmt. I don't know about dmt, but there's just a lot of people, perhaps millions, certainly thousands who have one way or another, like died, right. And had the experience of, you know, what's beyond death but come back into their body and you know, like the, these accounts are consistent enough. You know, like you got people all over the world and they're describing the same things. You know, they're like, like across the boards, like, you know, fairly universally they describe like being enveloped by like unfathomable love and bliss. And then all of a sudden like they like, like this experience that they had as a human being, like is kind of revealed to be an illusion. Like they're like, oh, that was kind of weird. And, and, but this love, is this actually their home? You know, and, and there's, there's.
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A
Have you had a near death experience?
- [33:43]
B
I've not, no. I'm just shocking. Yeah. I've had lots of I'm not okay moments, but never like died and came back. But what's particularly, you know, like, I don't know, important to me, I suppose, is in these near death experience accounts there's a lot of descriptions of what's called life review. You know, people say that, that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes, you know, and like, like there's like real. That's a really another consistent part of this, this whole NDE thing where people describe that on the other side of death, there's not like the constraint of time. You know, like somehow time doesn't apply in, you know, in like the spirit realm, whatever. So when you think, oh, your life flashes before your eyes, it's like without the constraint of time, you've got like, you know, real immersion into this life review, as it's called. And the purpose of it is not so that you can, you know, reminisce and reflect. It's, it's rather like you experience like all of these, you know, notable moments from your life. People describe experiencing these notable moments from the perspective of the people who they had an effect on. So everybody that like you just on and, and bummed out, like, did harm to like upset, like, as well as everybody who you, you know, spread joy to and made them, you know, feel great. Like you, you have the experience of how you made other people feel through their perspective as them, straight up as them, and without the constraint of time and in unfathomable detail like, dude, how.
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A
The, does that work? Well, I mean, I don't think you come up with any sort of like, conventional, like scientific explanation for that, you.
- [35:48]
B
Know, and I, I absolutely concur that, that it would be beyond our, you know, limited, limited capabilities to properly understand it. I think that, that people who have these near death experiences, there's so much irrefutable, I would say irrefutable evidence where, you know, people are like not registering any like, sign of life, period. They've got like, they're flatlined. You know, like there's, they're, they're not conscious, they're demonstrably not conscious. But they've, they've, they come back, you know, they come back to life and then like tell the, the, the doctors what was going on. Experience, you know, they're like, oh, I was floating up above the room. I saw you grab this. Oh yeah, you had the stain on your shirt. Like, you know, like, yeah, they know, like, and the doctors are confounded. Like, wait, there's, there is no way that, that this person was conscious, yet they're telling me what happened. And like, I, I'm just really confident that there's a lot of irrefutable evidence to that point. So you get to, you know, what seems to me to be a very logical conclusion, that you cannot point to the brain as being the. A generator of consciousness. You know, like, that, like, like we seem to have evidence that consciousness exists separate from our brain activity, you know, and, and that we cannot. Science can't figure that out.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, science can figure out that, like, I mean, just, you know, the doctors being told what happened in the room by someone who is dead, they're like, okay, they know we don't know how. They know we don't know how consciousness exists separate from the brain. But my, like, dumb little theory is that that the, that the brain, rather than being a transmitter of consciousness, rather than being the, the origin. The originator of consciousness, it's simply the brain is. Is like a receiver. You know, like, kind of like our brain is like, effectively picking up the signal of our soul. WI fi, you know, and so then if you, if you take this analogy like a step further, then, you know, you imagine like a radio picking up a signal. You know, you can take a sledgehammer, you can destroy the radio to no end, absolutely obliterate it, but you've done nothing to affect the signal that that brain was receiving. So if you follow that analogy, then it kind of makes sense that we could have the death of our body but have consciousness separate from. From the body.
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A
And I just like, floating through the ether.
- [38:38]
B
Yeah. And like, you know, I, I get like, pretty into some wild stuff. Like I, I had this little ph. Reading about the Pleiadians. I don't even know if you say that. That. Right. But like, in. In all this, like, different. The different crazy theories that I've. I've read. One thing that, that stuck out to me quite a bit was the, the scientific, like the science community, I think, agrees that 95 of human DNA, they've got no clue what it, what it's for. And the scientific term for like, this 95 of our DNA is junk DNA.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Can you look up junk DNA?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, you know, I'm not like, sure about remembering this. Right. But, like, effectively, if I, If I remember correctly, like, the scientific community cannot figure out what 95 of our DNA is for. And I heard a crazy theory that.
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A
Claims that 95, 95 of human DNA is junk has been a topic of significant debate in the Scientific community. Historically, much of the human genome was considered non coding and thus labeled as junk DNA.
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B
Now I just simply like, you know, like why, why this, this, you know, was impactful for me is because 95 of our DNA being called junk, that seems unrealistic. I mean I personally think that there's a little bit more of an underlying intelligence going on in the universe than to just be making that much garbage that's not good for anything. And the, the theory that, that I read was that, you know, there's like all these, I don't know, what do you want to call it, like entities, gods, spirits, you know, and that, that originally that humans, that we were multi dimensional beings, you know, that, that we were and that that's what the 95 of the DNA was for is that.
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A
We sound like Billy Carson right now.
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B
Yeah, like, like multi dimensional in the sense that like, you know, we, I don't know, like we like we had like our soul was like, like active, more actively, you know, not separate from our body. Like. And the, the, the theory in this Pleiadian or Pleiadians was that, that the humans became too like, as multi dimensional beings, we were too difficult to control. So it said that, that some 300,000 years ago, like, you know, like wanting to be controlled or wanting to be able to control us, that they unplugged like 95 of our DNA so we're no longer multi dimensional beings. But like if, if, if you look at the, the people dying and knowing what happened when they were literally dead and, and then you think, okay, well there is, yeah, consciousness operating separate from brain activity.
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A
Right.
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B
Then, you know, but then again it's all just silly.
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A
Well, maybe that's like, maybe it's similar to like when you're playing a video game and you die and it just like plays your death back over again. Like you can go back and like rewind and play through. Could be something perhaps.
- [42:19]
B
But, but again like the people describing the Life review, it's like the, the key purpose clearly is to, to reap what you sow, you know, like the idea that, that you experience everything as those who you had an impact on, you know. Now like I think that a lot of different, you know, religions, like spiritual, like, you know, like there's, it's common like the, the concept of oneness, you know, that like we're all interconnected.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That we're all like effectively one. Just one thing I've heard it described as, we're all eyes in the same head, you know, like I, I Like the. I personally love the theory that all of. All of creation is an exercise in the universe experiencing itself. Because if you think of, like, the, like, the universe as. As one thing, one thing by definition cannot have experience because there's no other thing to relate.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, like, you can't have up without down, left without right. You know, you can't have good without bad. So, like, as. And I think that, that the, you know, my spiritual take on it would be that this is what, like, Big Bang was. You know, like science for all of its greatness, talks about Big Bang, but they're not even going anywhere near right. What banged right.
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A
Right.
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B
I mean, you could be, like, really pretty sure that there was a Big Bang. But, like, what are we doing here if you don't have any idea of what, like, it was that banged right. Like, what came before that, you know, so how did it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So everybody's in the dark.
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A
Well, did you see, did you hear the recent story about how the James Webb Telescope just discovered some, like, super mature galaxies? That basically destroys the whole theory of the Big Bang, or at least pushes it back, like billions and billions of years.
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B
I, I don't have any issue with that. I think that's great.
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A
We'll try to find it, Steve. But it pulls up like they, they found out that the, the microwave. The background microwave radiation or whatever, that's what supports the whole theory of the Big Bang. But now they're saying that this background microwave radiation is just coming from other. It's a. It's something that's being emitted from these, like, other galaxies, These, like, super mature galaxies that they found. And these galaxies would have had to existed before the Big Bang. Sure, yeah, this is, this is what it is right now. But like. Yeah, all these.
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B
Earliest galaxy I've ever seen. Yeah, there you go.
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A
When was this published? No, this is. They're talking about these galaxies that shouldn't be there. Right, right. Just 250 million years after.
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B
I mean, whether it was before, whether it was, you know, like. Yeah, the idea of, like, what banged is something that we're not gonna, like, ever be able to agree on, you know, But I, And I get this from, like, a book. I talk about it all the time, I love it so much, called Conversations with God. It's. It was on the New York Times bestseller list for, I want to say, a record 143 weeks, which is almost three years for a single book to be on the New York Times bestseller.
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A
When was it published?
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B
It was published in, like, 1990 something. It's called Conversations with God, book one, written by Neil Donald Walsh. And, you know, you've got, like, on one hand, this is a guy who. Where he was effectively despondent. He was so frustrated. Like, nothing he was trying to do was working. He had a family, but, like, he was like, man, I'm having trouble, like, supporting my family. Like, nothing I'm doing is working. He'd been in, like, a car crash, and, like, it was all kinds of complications. And he had been in a habit of writing letters that he never intended to send as just an exercise, inventing, you know, and he's like, you know what? I'm so frustrated. He says, I'm. He just went right to the source, and he just got a notepad, and he's like, God, like, why you just wrote vented. And, like, the way that he describes it is that he intuitively got a response which was like, do you actually want answers or are you just venting? And so, like, this, like, intuitive thing, and he's writing this whole dialogue. So that's why it's Conversations with God. And it's a big pill to swallow to wrap your. You know, to, like, buy onto this guy's writing the dialogue of A Conversation with God, admittedly. But at the same time, the fact that this was on the New York Times bestseller list for almost three years gives it some kind of credibility, right? So it's like, it's tough to believe, but it's also like, all right, like, there's something here. And in this. In this book, which I just. I love it so much, man. It really helped me with processing, like, deep trauma around my. The loss of my mom. And the loss of my mom wasn't even the issue. It was the. The state that she was in for the last five years of her life. And I really. I was, like, very upset with, like, you know, like, what God thought that was cool, you know, allowed that to happen. Like, my mom suffered really, really badly. And the worst part of it was that she had bed sores, which is, like, just by definition only happens to people who are completely helpless, like, they can't move. And so you're going to do that to people, Helpless people who can't move have these open wounds with all these open nerves. My mom was crying, like, in pain, like, for the last five years of her life. Like, no, no. Like, what? God was cool. That was pissed. And so now this book, Conversations with God, really changed my perspective on it. They were like, like, you know, you've got God Is everything. It's one thing, you know, and I, I would interpret, I don't get this from the book as much, but I would interpret like Big Bang being like God as one thing. It's referred to as the, the absolute. You know, there's the realm of the absolute, which is just one thing, which, which is devoid of experience. And God wanted to have experience. So in order to create experience, the Big bang would be like God dividing itself into just infinite things which, which creates the realm of the relative. Where like now I can. There can be up and there can be down. It's great. Like, so like everything, all of creation, like all little fragments of God, but still one thing. And it's this, this illusion of separation. So then, you know, the theory would go all of us are equally fractions of God, like expressions of God. Like we're all one thing. You know, we think that we're separate, but we're actually not. And so when we die, like the veil is lifted and we realize, oh, wow, there was actually only one thing the whole time. And so that's where like it makes sense that when, when I die I should realize, oh, wow, there wasn't anything separate from me. So when I did this to that person, it was actually me. And so now I'm gonna experience it, you know, now I'm gonna experience it. And I can buy that so much more easily than what religion's trying to claim with the third party judgment system. You know, like, oh, like you're gonna go before God and God's gonna judge you. It, to me, it's so much more palatable that like there was only, there was only ever one thing. And so the, the life review, when like we, when we experience like the, the harm we did to others, it's not for the purpose of, of us being punished. It's not like we're in hell.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, like, oh, you were bad. And so this is what you get. Your punishment is this. It's. It's much more just like it is what it is. You know, you reap what you sow. So it's not good or bad. It's not, you know, right or wrong. It's just what happened. And so it completes the experience which is the whole purpose of everything. It's just to have experience.
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A
Right.
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B
And so as it relates to my mom, like for, for God to be a third party deal that's over there and just cool with the up my mom went through, I'm not okay with that. But for God to have just divided Itself into infinite particles. And so now all of a sudden, my mom wasn't left there suffering. My mom was God. You know, like, God was not just with my mom, but God was my mom. And it's not up to me to determine like how that experience is, is useful, valuable on any level, you know, and there's a lot of cause and effect and just that's what is. But, but I can, I can wrap my head around it. What happened to my mom was God. That, that just helps me a lot more than my mom was all on her own in this terrible situation.
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A
Yeah. Not on her own island.
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B
My mom was the experience of God. As are you, as am I.
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A
We just see ourselves as separate entities. Just like for the face value of like, what, what is walking around, you know, what is reality? We see each other as like separate things. But you're saying like below, it's like a, like an archipelago of islands up above the water.
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B
Right.
- [52:00]
A
And then as soon as the water goes down, you see, it's all part of one big rock.
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B
Right. I mean, it's kind of like we're all cell in this bigger organism.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, it's like the cells in our body were just one thing, you know?
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A
Yeah. And it's super interesting too, how, like, because I've heard a lot of experience of these near death, these near death experiences. There was one in particular about this lady who got struck by lightning. Have you ever heard this one? This lady was going into a synagogue with her kids and it was like a thunderstorm. She was holding her umbrella and then the umbrella got struck by lightning and she died. And somebody was out front, like saw her get struck by lightning. And they ran inside the Syn synagogue and they said, is there a doctor in here? And they all turned around. It was just all doctors and lawyers. It was a synagogue. So they got like the best doctor who happened to be like a, the, a trauma, a heart trauma doctor, whatever that, because her heart was stopped, came out and they like were doing CPR on her, trying to help her. And she was out for like 10 minutes. And she experienced, she explained, two weeks sitting in some kind of a garden and like having conversations with her dead relatives and stuff like this. And she's explained like her grandpa coming and like talking to her and like giving her the option like, do you want to come with me or do you want to go back there with your kids? Or whatever. And she thought about it for weeks.
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B
It's very rare for people to want to come back into their body like that. But, but there are people will do it if they're like, oh, my kids really need me. Like, you know, they're son. But typically people are like, oh no, dude.
- [53:38]
C
This is way better.
- [53:39]
B
I watch a lot of these, you know, and like, very rare for people. Like what you hear the most is they said up your, your. It's not your time. You got to go back in your body.
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C
They're like, tell you to go, no.
- [53:50]
B
That I don't want to go back.
- [53:51]
A
You know, this looks way cooler.
- [53:53]
B
But I just, I mean and I, I get it, you know, I get it that like everything that I'm describing for, for my beliefs and that's just kind of like the nature of thing. I get it that it's far out. It's like, oh yeah, that's great, great. You know, like, you know, I. But for what it's worth.
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A
Well, it's all far out. Yeah, it's all far out. It's just like, it's just like how many people do agree with your far out theory? Like there happens to be Christianity people have agreed with for 2000 years. Doesn't mean it's like any more reasonable than yours.
- [54:22]
B
Right? I, I love the, that there's not a third party judgment system. I love that if you take this view, you know, personally, I take this view where like I've got, you know, real accountability for everything that I do. You know, like I wasn't always like even like in sobriety. Like, you know, like I'm like, I get frustrated very easily. You know, I get frustrated, I get, I get burned out. And like, you know, like dealing with people, like I've, you know, I can really lose my temper. Like, ah, you know, like, and, and you know, and that more often than, than I'm really stoked about, it's like bummed people out, you know, like I've been. And, and I'm like, I, I feel so sensitive to that. Like, you know, that man, there's just a bunch of people that I bummed out. I know it and like people that I've interacted with on a very superficial level who wouldn't be able to get a hold of to say, hey man, like, you know, I want to like fix this. You know, like people just. And I'm thinking about pretty like low level stuff stuff. But it's important to me, you know, and there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of harm that I've done that I can't fix. And going back to before I got sober.
- [55:37]
A
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- [55:43]
B
Oh my God. You know, like, like to take the idea of a life review like, as seriously as I do. Like, I'm pretty bombed on what's waiting for me, you know, like, you know, like, like a lot of, I think on the, on, on balance I've been more of a good guy than a bad guy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But like, I'm just really sensitive about how much like of the bad stuff is coming. So like I genuinely view whatever the remainder of my life is as my opportunity to stack the good.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Stack the good. Like, and so it's not always like easy to keep it at the forefront of my, my, you know, conscious thinking, but like, but I really, really like, I choose to, I try to like genuinely stay in the mindset that I view every encounter with every person as like that, you know, like I wanna, I wanna like as much as I can. Like if there's someone like, oh, you want a photo? Yeah, for sure. Let's make, you know, like to try to make it every encounter that I have with everybody, no matter who they are, like a joyful, uplifting experience.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm like selfishly trying to like, you know, stack the good. Yeah, right, that's, that's, that is that not the, the underlying like, you know, if you take to be good to thy neighbor, you know, it's like just that simple.
- [57:11]
A
Right, right.
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B
And, and I love this particular, you know, this particular view of the universe again for taking away the third party system for, for not like I, I really, really don't do well with, with Jesus died for my sins, you know, like, so what, like, oh, you do a bunch of like up and it's cool because it's on Jesus's tab. Right. Right.
- [57:37]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
You know, like, and furthermore, like however late in your life that you decide to be saved by Jesus, like, you're cool. So you can just wait until you're on your deathbed after being a complete bag for your whole life. That's all but cheese and that's just to be absolved and everything's cool.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then on top of that, like, you know, like all of the people who I love who are of, of Muslim faith, you know, Jewish, like, like they're going to be burning in hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their savior. Like, you know, I've always said that if heaven's all it's cranked up to be I'd love to check it out, but not without every person who I love, love and I love a lot of people who by Christian standards are going to hell. So I guess it's hell for me. And it just seems so silly on top of that too because Jesus like pretty well documented that Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.
- [58:35]
A
Yeah.
- [58:36]
B
So how did anybody get to heaven before 2000 years ago? There's, there were humans before Jesus.
- [58:40]
A
Yeah.
- [58:41]
B
So are they all burning in hell?
- [58:43]
A
That's a good question. I've never thought about that.
- [58:46]
B
What are we doing here? I've asked this question many times and I've heard that they were like, oh no before then you could do like, like sacrifice animals or some weird dark, you know, like it's, it's, it's silly, man.
- [59:03]
A
Dude, that's why, that's interesting. I never thought about that.
- [59:07]
B
Which, and, and check this out, dude. Like my dad, very, very logical person, like almost devoid of emotion, I would say. Like, I consider him like a human log. And he, he like kind of went with the, the Christianity for like a minute there. And he was like, I don't know if I can really do this for the rest of my life. It would kind of like get in the way.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Of me living the way I want to live. And so like he got very, very like into the weeds on trying to get himself like free of like all the dogma and the fear and stuff. And so like he would go on to like, like, like quite study theology and, and he befriended this pastor in England where he was living. The pastor either became fluent in like Greek and Aramaic to be able to read the original transcripts in the original languages that, or he just became more familiar with the, the Aramaic and what this guy says that, and this is really to me a big ass deal because the whole Jesus died for my sins and, and, or the whole the only way to go to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. Like comes from one line in the English translation. And the, the translation is the only way to my Father is through me. But my dad's pastor buddy says that the actual original scriptures, the Aramaic, the Greek and an equally valid translation of that line would be now that Jesus saying, now that I've come to share my teachings, it will be easier to find God. Like, and, and it, like, as I understand it, it all boils down to that one line, how you translate that one line. But like it's a lot easier for me to buy that there are more than one teacher, that there's more than one viable way to, to find God.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, then like this it's Jesus or you're going to hell.
- [61:31]
A
Right.
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B
Regardless of how you acted, you know, like.
- [61:34]
A
Right.
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B
And so, you know, well, there's also.
- [61:37]
A
Like, there's also lots of different scholarly people who have translated different, different original texts and have come up with like all kinds of different theories on Jesus. Like Christianity throughout over the millennia, the people that running the churches have intentionally redacted and added in to fit the narrative of what they want it to be.
- [61:57]
B
Dude, the, the, what is it? The, the Nissan, the, the Nissan Council.
- [62:06]
A
Oh, the Council of Nicaea.
- [62:07]
B
Yeah, the Council of Nicaea is where.
- [62:09]
A
They agreed like what they're going to include and what they're going to leave out.
- [62:12]
B
Yeah, that one, that was, that was a pretty dodgy.
- [62:17]
A
Yeah.
- [62:18]
B
And now with that said too, and I like, I, I. Here I am just like bashing on, on.
- [62:23]
A
Right.
- [62:24]
B
And I don't want to do that because that's just not helpful.
- [62:27]
A
Right.
- [62:28]
B
And, and my dad, I was talking to him the other night because I was, saw him on this, this trip and, and I don't know that I heard him say this. He said, he said that if you took like completely at random 100 Christians and put them in a room and then completely at random 100 non religious people put them in another room. He said, I think that Christian room's way happier room, you know, Like.
- [62:54]
A
Well I, this is something I think about a lot too. Like I notice a lot of people who like when they get older, they just sort of like people even when they're young, they like would mock Christianity or religion because it's like my parents are religious. Old people are just them that's like, it's like, it's like, you know, you're not supposed to, to like your teacher or your boss or like the people who make the rules and the people that are religious make these rules how you have to live your life. So when you're like a young rebel, you automatically want to go, go the opposite direction.
- [63:24]
B
Yeah, like the Catholic school girl.
- [63:25]
A
Right, Exactly. And it's like the same people when they get old. Right, Right.
- [63:30]
B
Yeah, that's, that's how you make a slut. And, and super Christian is how you get people wearing cannibal corpse T shirts.
- [63:37]
A
Yeah, bro. Hail Satan. And those, a lot of people that live that way when they're young will like get old and find God and join Christianity, you know.
- [63:49]
B
Sure. And a lot of people will be super devout Christians and then have a near Death experience and be like, oh, wow, okay, that wasn't it.
- [63:56]
A
Right, Right. And I have nothing, I have absolutely nothing against, like, people who ascribe to Christianity or Catholicism. As long as you're not hurting people, like, you know, be my guest, do whatever you want.
- [64:07]
B
Right? Yeah. You know, like, I. I've got. I've got a. A buddy of mine, and I was just with him like, a couple weeks ago. I've known him since I've. Since we were nine years old. Old, fourth grade together. I was actually two guys. I was with two guys that came to my property in Tennessee. We've all known each other since fourth grade. Abdullah, super Muslim, super duper Muslim. Like, when we were in fourth grade, I was at his house, like, you know, praying, like, to Mecca with him. And it was like, oh, this is cool. This is what we do at Abdullah's house. You know, like. And interestingly, too, that, you know, I grew up in five different countries, and it was just happened to me. I was nine years old, I moved to London, and then when I was 12 years old, I moved to Canada. But I moved back to London when I was 13, so.
- [65:02]
A
And then I was Canadian and American.
- [65:04]
B
Yeah, I have three passports, legit. And I went to all four years of high school in London as well. So from 9 to 18, I was in London at the American school in London for all but a year and a half, which was seventh and a half of eighth grade. That whole time, Abdullah and I were just bros. We went through, like, phases together with, like, soccer and skateboarding and, you know, like, skateboarding was the big one. But we graduated together in 1992. I went to the University of Miami, where we know what happened there. I flunked out in every way you could possibly, you know, everywhere you could screw up. But Abdullah went to Brown University, graduated with the 4.0. Then he went to Cornell Medical School. Then he became a pediatric surgeon at the Mayo Clinic, where he literally invented methods of operating on babies. Unborn babies in the feet, fetal, like, he's operating on while they're in the womb, babies that have not been born yet.
- [66:11]
A
Whoa.
- [66:11]
B
He literally inv. Hid ways to operate on them. And, like, just. That's his deal. He's like, you know, and. And he's very specific about. He works in.
- [66:22]
A
Oh, God, what a sad thing to have to do, bro.
- [66:26]
B
I mean, but here's the thing, dude. He'll. And he's. He's. He's candid about this. He works in pediatric surgery because he doesn't. He he doesn't want to work on adults because they've just so lost their innocence. He's just, he's just. He's kind of bummed on him.
- [66:46]
A
Right, right, right. Like, he's only.
- [66:47]
B
He's only trying to help. Like, you know, like. Like it's kind of innocent, you know, like the children. And like, even better, let's get to him in the womb before they get him.
- [66:58]
C
Before they get out here. Give him a fair shot early.
- [67:04]
B
Yeah, dude. So that.
- [67:07]
A
I didn't even know that was possible. I've never even heard of that, bro.
- [67:10]
B
Right. And. And so Abdullah was at my house, like, literally a couple weeks ago, and I was telling him. I was like, you know, dude, like, I. I talk about you so much. Like, bragging about.
- [67:19]
A
Yeah.
- [67:19]
B
You know, like, we're so close, you know, we stay in touch and we just, like, there's like, legit love there, you know? Like, I, I love him, man, and I'm so proud of him. So I'm always bragging about him how, like, he invented this way to operate on unborn babies. Babies. And, And I told him. I was like, man, dude, I brag about you so much. And you know, like, like when, you know, when people are talking about. About religion, I always, like, you know, bring you up too, because I love you so much that, like, I use you as my example of, oh, well, Abdullah. If Abdullah is going to hell because he doesn't accept Jesus, then I can't go to heaven. I gotta be hanging with Abdullah in hell, you know?
- [68:03]
A
Yeah.
- [68:03]
B
And, and I told him this, like, literally less than two weeks ago, I think. Or two weeks ago exactly. I don't know. And he goes, dude, what, are you being racist on Christians? He goes, dude, don't be racist, bro.
- [68:17]
A
You already have a Santa Claus getting crucified on your family.
- [68:21]
B
Yeah. He's like, dude. He's like, dude, don't, don't. He said, don't do that, man. Like, you believe whatever you want, man, but, you know, like, don't, don't be. You know, yeah, that's the bigot or whatever. And so I'm with you, like, as much as, as much as. As I, like, resist the, the notion of it, you know, like the, the, the. The. The exclusivity of it.
- [68:44]
A
Right.
- [68:45]
B
You know, as much as I think it's silly, I absolutely concede that people of faith are happier and in a better spot than people without faith.
- [68:56]
A
Right.
- [68:57]
B
And, and, And I think that, that some people, when it comes time, they're actually dying being Some people are legitimately at peace with it, like legitimately go peacefully and they're not super bummed. And then there's some people who are like, like a Clinging to life with so much fear and. Fear and death.
- [69:19]
A
Yeah.
- [69:19]
B
You know?
- [69:20]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [69:20]
B
And I do genuinely believe that the difference between whether you're gonna die peacefully or like super in fear is faith.
- [69:28]
A
Yeah. I think it's part. I think God is a part of like the human's. Human operating system, you know, it's like built into us to where we have to like, it's. It's like a. A meaning generator for us that helps us cope with. With our existence. What is this retroactive death of Jesus? Jesus's death is considered retroactive for earlier humans according to several Christian theological perspectives.
- [69:51]
C
Yeah, retroactive.
- [69:54]
A
Would it like, got. Jesus's lawyer came in, so he's been. His helmet for.
- [70:00]
B
Okay, so then that would mean that he could retroactively hook me up after I died. Yeah. So it turns out what's the point in accepting him while you're alive.
- [70:12]
C
On the back end?
- [70:15]
B
That's true. You know, Jesus there.
- [70:21]
A
Oh, God.
- [70:22]
B
Retroactive. I like that.
- [70:24]
A
That's one of the, like one of the people that. That when I was talking to their date, I had a Gavin McInnes on the show and he used to have. Do all these. He did like one special advice, like, really early on called Jesus was a. And now he's super Christian, you know, And I was like asking him all about. I'm like, how did you. How did you make this transition? He's like. And he was like. He was just like watching when my daughter was born. I like looked at her heel and I saw like, God must have made that. And I woke up and I said, I love God. And he's like, now I've. I just love Jesus Christ. And. And you know, he just like, he. The way he explains it is he goes, I just go to church and like being thankful for stuff. That's it. And I'm like, oh, that's. That sounds fine. That sounds great, dude.
- [71:05]
B
Yeah.
- [71:06]
A
He also told me a story that he was hanging out with you and Jeff Tremaine or something one night and he said he was going through your phone calling all your ex. Girl or Jeff Tremaine was going through your phone.
- [71:14]
B
Yeah, that used to be a thing. Yeah, that was a thing.
- [71:18]
A
He said you were with like a girl girlfriend at the time.
- [71:20]
B
And I mean, and.
- [71:22]
A
And he went through your phone and called like 10 ex girlfriends and said, hey, it's Stevo. I'm here.
- [71:27]
B
Like, everyone is passing around my phone. Invite. Inviting chicks in my phone. Like, if they saw a girl's name, like, okay, I'll call it. And then they're doing an impersonation of me and say, come over. Come on over, baby. Come on. And, like, everyone was just having so much fun and thought it was so funny that I just let it happen. So. Yeah, that's how I remember that.
- [71:49]
A
He also said that you guys, like, went to go meet the president or something, and, like, everyone was, like, holding their dicks like this. Because it's just in your DNA that wherever you guys go, you're just holding your.
- [71:59]
B
Yeah, we didn't go meet them. There was no meet the president. I mean, maybe there was, but I was.
- [72:04]
A
Maybe it was like the White House. I don't remember what it was. Yeah, is. Is one. Another thing I want to ask you is, is Bam, like, living in Florida now? Because I see him on Instagram all.
- [72:15]
B
The time, very nomadic.
- [72:17]
A
Okay. I thought he maybe had, like, a. Like a probation officer or like a.
- [72:23]
B
I think he's free and clear about all that stuff.
- [72:27]
A
Dude, he's ripping on the skateboard again.
- [72:28]
B
He really is bad.
- [72:29]
A
It's insane to see.
- [72:31]
B
Yeah.
- [72:32]
A
I don't know how long he's been sober, but, like, to see how he basically went downhill after the whole, like, after Viva la Bam, I think it was. Was the last one.
- [72:43]
B
Yeah.
- [72:43]
A
And then the jackass stuff. Like, it's just like. That's one of the things, too that's crazy to me is, like, when somebody gets fame so early, it's really hard for them to, like, get a real grip on reality. You know what I mean? Especially when, like, you have everyone that's giving you everything you want and you have unlimited access to money and drugs and stuff like this. I feel like it's a common theme. I feel like, you know, like, what.
- [73:06]
B
Happened with Bam, I think anybody who has, you know, any measure of celebrity bestowed on them, you know, like, fame and fortune comes with growing pains. I think regardless of what age you're at, certainly it's going to be harder to navigate if you're super young when it happens. But, yeah, I think that. Yeah, I, I, you know, and I just think every case is different.
- [73:34]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was. I thought it was. It was super sad when we were talking to Novak to, like. Because I guess him and Novak don't talk anymore, right? Is that what he was saying?
- [73:44]
C
I think so, yeah. Not at that time. I don't know if they do know.
- [73:47]
B
I mean, he went for a long time not even talking to his parents, you know, and even now I think he only texts.
- [73:52]
A
But yeah. Yeah, that's just super. It's super crazy to me because, like, like, you know, we grew up, like, watching all the. All you guys, like, doing all this crazy stuff together, and that's, like, what inspired, like, me to even, like, get into doing this stuff.
- [74:05]
B
It's crazy. I don't think there's anybody who's not been rooting for Bam.
- [74:10]
A
Yeah.
- [74:11]
B
To do well, like, wanting him to be like. And that includes, like, Knoxville Tremaine. Like, everybody, like, everybody, like, wants him to be happy and healthy, successful and thriving.
- [74:24]
A
Right.
- [74:24]
B
Like, without exception. And, you know, like, I. I just view that it comes down to accountability, you know, like, like it seems very evident that he's managing to stay out of jail and out of rehab. And, like, that's great. It would certainly seem that he's, you know, abstinent from drugs and alcohol. I just think that the, that the key difference, what's gonna unlock his potential is to stop blaming, you know, everybody else. Because, like, you know, like, whenever he finds himself in front of a microphone, it just sure seems like he's. Yeah, he's like Knoxville and the thumbtacks and, you know, you know, whatever it is, like, it's just this, this, this kind of, it seems like victim mentality, you know, and, like, and it's everybody but him. And like, there's. He's never, like, everything just happened to him. And I just believe strongly that if, if you want to, you know, assume the mentality of a victim, it's very easy to do that, but then you've relinquished control over your circumstance. You know, like, when you take responsibility and accountability for, for your situation, like, you can get a lot of more done, you know. You can, sure. And I think that, like, when people are accountable, that that in and of itself, like, just, you know, cultivates respect and it's endearing, you know?
- [75:58]
A
Yeah, it's. It's got to be a hard thing for him, too, because I think he. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think he, like, just dropped out of school to skateboard all the time, right when he was really young. His parents, which is like a double edged sword because, like, on one hand you're enabling him to do like, like what ended up creating who he ended up being, which is bam, you know, like superstar, like. And you know, on the other hand, it's like, you know, you missed out on Like, a lot of, like, normal, like, life experiences and learning lessons that, you know, normal people usually get. And for me, it seems like that combined with Ryan Dunn dying seemed to be, like, what really catapulted him down that.
- [76:39]
B
That.
- [76:40]
A
That rabbit hole or that. That dark spiral, you know?
- [76:42]
B
I mean, sure, yeah. I mean, it definitely didn't. Didn't help, you know?
- [76:49]
A
Yeah.
- [76:50]
B
But I also understand that Ryan Dun was very much alive and present for at least one of Bam's interventions.
- [76:58]
A
Oh, really? You know, okay.
- [77:00]
B
So, like, the. The issues were there already.
- [77:03]
A
Right, Right.
- [77:03]
B
Yeah. But whatever. I mean, I'm still like. Like, you know, like, I absolutely believe that there's just. It's never too late, you know?
- [77:12]
A
Yeah, totally.
- [77:13]
B
And especially when it comes to alcoholism and. And addiction, you know, there's no such thing as too far gone. There literally isn't. You know, like, the. If anything, there's such a thing as not far gone enough. You know, like, it's. It's perhaps counterintuitive, but, you know, the first step is we admitted we were powerless, that our life had become unmanageable. You know, like, the first step is to admit defeat. And if you're not far gone enough, if you're like, oh, you know, like, I don't have a problem that's that bad, like, I still kind of got it, then you're just not a candidate.
- [77:50]
C
Enough to keep going.
- [77:51]
B
You're not. Yeah. And that's like, to me, recover from it100. It's the. The. To me, the worst situation would be to just kind of have alcohol, like, alcoholism, like, enough that it can slow you down and screw up your relationships and stop you from accomplishing your goals. But it's not bad enough that it needs to be addressed. So, like, your life just slips through your fingers just years at a time. Decades go by, and then you're like, what? I blew it?
- [78:18]
A
Yes.
- [78:19]
B
As opposed to having alcoholism so terribly bad that it cannot continue.
- [78:25]
A
Right.
- [78:26]
B
Like, me and Nova, basically, I would say, you know, like, the way that we were operating was not okay. And, like, we. We had to acknowledge that. And because it was so bad, then. Okay. We became willing to address it. You know, like. Like the. The. You really want to overshoot the mark of, like, overdo it. Yeah. You don't want any, like, you know, plausible deniability.
- [78:54]
A
Right, right, right.
- [78:55]
B
Like, that. I'm so grateful for that because, like. Like, I do not have to wonder if I need to do the stuff that the sober people need to do. Like, it's very clear to me Like, I have, like, it, you know, have to. I. I got it.
- [79:10]
A
Yeah.
- [79:11]
B
So like, having, you know, being in like a. A GRY zone, it's not. It's not bueno when it comes to this.
- [79:17]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Because you can just end up just going farther and farther and farther until you end up dying. And it's a miracle. Some of you know, like, no back didn't die big time.
- [79:26]
B
I mean, when your situation's as bad as ours was and then you actually do something about it, like. All right, because, like, being wasted all the time, it's such a time suck. It's such a. A resource drain, you know, like. And on top of that, you're creating so much wreckage and, and like, just being counterproductive, going in the wrong direction. And then like when. When you. You like, actually get clean and sober, like, you've now freed up so much of your time, so much of your resources, right? Like, you're. You're not like, trying to undo damage, you know, like, you're not on defense.
- [80:11]
A
But what if. What if they work together, though? Like, like, you know, some of the biggest rock stars in the world who are literally, when in their 20s, getting paid to fly jets around the world, right. And as soon as they land hand, a chauffeur shows up with a briefcase full of cocaine and every single drug known to man, and it's just enabling you.
- [80:28]
B
I mean, like, I think there's an argument to.
- [80:31]
A
I think there's an argument to be made that drugs can enhance creativity and like.
- [80:37]
B
Sure.
- [80:38]
A
And make. I. I feel like there's a lot of big artists who were way better before they got sober. And once they got sober, their music just sort of like, dried up.
- [80:47]
B
I had an interesting. That conversation one time. Somebody said, give me an example of. Of, you know, bands or musicians that have been around for decades and made their best music at the end of.
- [81:04]
A
Their career when they got sober.
- [81:06]
B
Well, no, I'm not. Not even talking end of their career. Just. Just like in the. In the back half of. Of, you know, and I was like, oh, come on, there's got to be, you know, and then like, the more. The more we thought about it, it's like, you know, so like, I'm suggesting that by. By this argument, sobriety is not a factor there, but just like, the longer you're at it and the more you're doing it, like, I mean, who can think of, you know, maybe we put it to the comment section, you know, like, like suggest bands that have been.
- [81:39]
A
Around for decades, Metallica is a good example. Their new album is actually really good. Good. Like, it's on a lot.
- [81:46]
B
I mean.
- [81:47]
A
I mean, you're not going to say it's not Ride the Lightning. It's not, you know.
- [81:50]
B
Yeah. I mean, you. You just, like, made a glaring point. Valid point that, like, we're in a deeply subjective water, so, you know, so you can only kind of go with, like, consensus and maybe, like, take it to a poll, you know, like, the majority of people think. But. But yeah, it's interesting, man. And. And. And I don't know. Don't disagree. There was a point, like, for. For me, like, to the point of, like, successful and everything's working, you know, like in. In my early career, like, being out of control and wasted all the time. Like, it just worked right in there with my brand, you know?
- [82:28]
A
Yeah.
- [82:29]
B
And, you know, you see Bam still, like, trying to, like. Like, oh, yeah, the more we're on tmz, like, the. You know, the better it's publicity and, like, you know, like, if it's. There's a point when it was working and. And that was great. And. And I got away with it.
- [82:44]
A
Yeah.
- [82:45]
B
And. And there's a point when it stops working. And I think that, you know, on some level, there's a lot of, you know, my wasted years, that was of supreme value in a creative sense. But as I got towards the end of my run with drugs and alcohol, it. I. It had really devolved, you know, and then it was just like, oh, what did I pee on this time? You know, like, oh, Steve O. Peed on a red carpet. Or like, you know, like. Yeah, got kicked out of here for doing that.
- [83:16]
C
You know, like, creativity wasn't so fresh.
- [83:18]
B
Right. And the best example of this is, you know, I got sober in 2008, and 2006 was jackass number two, and 2010 was 3D, okay, for jackass number two. In 2006, not one single idea I wrote was ever committed to film. Not one.
- [83:45]
A
Why?
- [83:46]
B
Because there were awful ideas. Like, I was creatively not killing it. Not. That is, before I got sober. And I was like, that was pretty. At the end of my run, know, like. Like, there was not one idea. They were, like, killer. Let's do that.
- [84:01]
A
Right, right, right, right.
- [84:03]
B
Whereas after I got sober in 2010, like, I wrote. Yeah. Like, yeah, like, absolutely on a roll. And. And what? What? What? Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say every idea, but, like, fucking. A very large conversion rate of writing ideas and actually got filmed like. Like, like, way more than any prior Year. So creatively now. And that didn't happen right away, you know, like, it was. I was just about two years sober when we did that third movie.
- [84:40]
A
Wow, dude.
- [84:42]
B
And one thing that contributed to so much was that I was just so much easier to be around. Like, it was a. It was a real effort to put up with.
- [84:55]
A
That had to have been. Been one hell of a exercise to try to get all these dudes to get along and, like, to be on time to shoots.
- [85:03]
B
I mean, I was a bigger problem than just about it, you know? Like, it was like, oh, dude, I'm on a plane. I'm stuck next to Stevo. Like, oh, no. You know, like, in the early days.
- [85:17]
A
Oh, dude, you used to do some, like, crazy on planes, didn't you?
- [85:20]
B
Big time. Yeah. And in the early days, we used to share hotel rooms and. God, was it quick that people, like, learned not to be in my room with, like, just sit down.
- [85:33]
A
Oh, God.
- [85:34]
B
Yeah. Congratulations. Right, so. So, I mean, you gotta, like, you know, the idea that creative people are more creative when they're on drugs and alcohol.
- [85:50]
A
Yeah.
- [85:50]
B
Like, I want. Don't entirely refute that. You know, I think that there's a point when it's working. You know, when it's working, there's a healthier person. Yeah. There's a point where it's working. And there's a point when the drugs and alcohol turn on you.
- [86:05]
C
Yeah.
- [86:06]
B
When they turn on you and they're not working anymore and they take over. Yeah, like. Yeah, for sure, big time. Like, up to a point. Like, they. They serve you, and then it comes from whatever you serve.
- [86:19]
C
That's right.
- [86:19]
A
Right.
- [86:20]
B
And. And it's terrifying for a lot of people because they like, oh, my God, now I got to get clean and sober. But, like, my identity, you know, my identity, my creativity, what's it going to be like?
- [86:30]
A
Right.
- [86:30]
B
You know, and, you know, that therein is why. Why it's so important to overshoot the mark of needing to get clean sober. Because it's gotta. It's got to have gotten to the point where you're like, all right, there's no question, like, even if it. Even if it cost my creativity, even if, like.
- [86:50]
A
Right.
- [86:50]
B
I. I don't have a choice. It's black and white. I. You know, even if, like, I didn't know if I would be able to be creative after I, you know, when I got clean, it's over. I didn't know if I could. Especially because you're in rehab and they're talking about how recovery is all about deflating your ego, you know, like adopting a spiritual, you know, mentality, like, believing in a higher power. And I'm like, okay, so, like, I gotta deflate my ego. I gotta, like, be all about, like, my higher power and spirituality. And I'm trying to be Steve O. From Jackass. Like, how's that. How does that. How does that. I'm just take all the ego out of being Steve O. Sure. You know, like, and I. I just had to not have a choice in that, you know, and when I. When I first got sober, the. The, like, I was just. I knew I had to put the camera down. I just knew that, like, I had to, like, just make. I just put that away and just make recovery, like the only. The only priority and the first. And it was easy to do that too, because I had effectively burned, like, every bridge in my career. You know, that was. That was going on. Every opportunity I had destroyed with the way that I was carrying on with drugs, now, alcohol, and Jackass was not active at that time. Like, there was no jackass activity between 2006 and 2010. So those four years were just dark for Jackass. And, you know, like, and. And I had nothing else going. So it's very easy for me to step away. There's nothing to step away from, you know, and, like, you know, as far as, like, start starting, you wanted a whole fresh start and everything. Like, there's no work to distract me. Like, the relationship I was in blew up. It was gone. I had no relationship. The apartment I lived in, I was straight evicted from, wasn't, you know, kicked out. So I had a fresh start across the boards. And there was no job. There was no real job thing until I got like, oh, the Dancing with the Stars wants you to be on, you know, and that was back in 2009. Dancing with the Stars was like a 20. More than 20 million people tuning in every time it was on, you know, like, on to tv. It was still, like, a big deal.
- [89:13]
A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
And. And I was like, all right. Like, I can dip my toe in the water, you know, Like, I don't have to be a crazy, right? I don't have to, like, travel. I just rehearse down the road from my little halfway house and then go, you know, and so I did that. It was wildly uncomfortable, but I just went little baby steps. And then. And then 2010, it was the end of 2009. I got the call about Jackass 3D, and I was like. I was like, o. I was like, I can't Turn it down.
- [89:43]
A
Right.
- [89:43]
B
But. But yeah, I just figured it out and, you know, the answer is you can be creative. You just gotta. You can totally be creative, dude. You saw my show, dude.
- [89:53]
A
Like, show is incredible, dude. And then all the video stuff that you guys shot, I want to see the whole thing. I want to see that whole.
- [89:59]
B
Oh, I mean, I. I shoot all that stuff specifically for the live show.
- [90:04]
A
Oh, really?
- [90:05]
B
That's my format, dude.
- [90:06]
A
Do you put any of that stuff on YouTube or anything? By itself?
- [90:10]
B
I'll have, like a. An involved, like, credit bed of outtakes.
- [90:15]
A
Okay.
- [90:15]
B
But that's how, like, you know, my. My last shows. That's how. That's how I do it, dude. It's a multimedia show.
- [90:23]
A
So cool. It's so unique. I've never seen anything like it. Yeah.
- [90:26]
B
Yeah. Thanks, man. Ultimately, the. The. The film will be like, what's the comedy special? Special, you know? Right. And I have, like, when I do make a special out of this show that you saw the other night, that'll be my fourth comedy special. And the. The. The last two were multimedia, and they live for free and ad free@stevo.com.
- [90:55]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [90:56]
B
So if anybody's interested to see what this multimedia comedy we're talking about, the one where. Where I'm on the bicycle with the general anesthesia and the epidural foot race and, you know, like the vasectomy Olympics. Like. Yeah, like. And at the end of it, I jack off, simultaneously blowing a load as I fall out of an airplane butt naked with another man strapped to my back.
- [91:25]
A
Who? Wasn't it Puff?
- [91:29]
B
Yeah, that was Steveo's. That. That was Steveo.
- [91:32]
C
Creativity is kicking in.
- [91:34]
A
Oh, my God. Who was strapped to your back? Oh, okay. I was. I thought it was going to be Pontius or something.
- [91:39]
B
No, no, no. That was like. That was the first time I ever went skydiving.
- [91:44]
A
Sky tracking.
- [91:46]
B
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, there's got to.
- [91:48]
C
Be hard to pull off people.
- [91:49]
B
When people get sober, they worry that they're not going to be creative, that their life's going to be boring.
- [91:54]
A
Like, I think you've blown that out of the water now. I think. I think you've crushed that belief for me. You've destroyed it.
- [92:00]
B
You can. You can. You can do a lot more and a lot better.
- [92:03]
A
How often do you ever see Manny anymore?
- [92:06]
B
You know, I spoke with him because I was in town. He wasn't able to make it out here, and I wasn't able to make it to him. He's, like, dead in the middle Between.
- [92:17]
A
Right.
- [92:18]
B
Miami and Tampa.
- [92:20]
A
Oh, really? I thought he was on. On the east coast, like.
- [92:22]
B
No, he's. He's in Sebring, Florida. Oh. And he wouldn't have been able to make it because his lady. He's got this, like, outrageously gorgeous girl.
- [92:32]
A
I know. I've met her.
- [92:33]
B
Yeah.
- [92:34]
A
Yeah. I was talking to her forever. She. She has, like, a bunch of her family. They're all from Hawaii.
- [92:38]
B
Yeah. Shout out to Morgan. And she's also. She's a musician, and they were heading up to Tennessee for her to have. Have a. A gig.
- [92:47]
A
Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, I forgot she does music and.
- [92:49]
B
Yeah. I love that you got all Manny's tridents and stuff.
- [92:52]
A
Dude, he was one of our first podcasts I ever did.
- [92:55]
B
He's the. He's. He's the best.
- [92:56]
C
He is.
- [92:58]
B
Talk about somebody.
- [92:59]
A
Crazy stories. Yeah.
- [93:00]
B
Big time. And talk about somebody who is. Just has unshakable faith from which, you know, like, I can picture Manny. And I'm not saying this in a disparaging way, I can picture Manny like. Like, you know, breathing his final breaths in, like, the most perfect piece.
- [93:19]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [93:20]
B
Like, I just. There's no. There's no fear in that guy.
- [93:23]
A
You know, hit by six different species of sharks, and he's only afraid of, like, bugs. Those. Those are the only types of things he's afraid of. The small ones you can't see. Like, he's not afraid of a great white shark or a bull shark or anything like this. Yeah, just, like, little. The little. The little killers that are invisible.
- [93:40]
B
The ones that crawl down your. Your dick hole.
- [93:42]
A
Yeah, yeah, those ones. Ones terrifying ones that eat you from the inside.
- [93:49]
B
Yeah.
- [93:49]
A
How did you originally meet him?
- [93:51]
B
Oh, my God. We. One of the first ideas. One of the first ideas I had for. For Jackass came from the skateboarding legend Danny Way.
- [94:07]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [94:08]
B
Yeah. Who famously jumped over the Great Wall of China after setting the Guinness World Record for the highest air ever done on a skateboard, which he landed, like, immediately after the Guinness Book of World Records longest air. He wrote in one one run the longest air ever done, and he set that record doing a backside 360 and landed it and rode right into the highest air ever. So done back to back.
- [94:40]
A
Didn't he also drop out of a helicopter?
- [94:41]
B
Yep, multiple times. Danny's the best dude. Like, I was. I'm the same age. Yeah. Danny and I are, like, just about exactly the same age. We were both 15 years old, and his name was on my skateboard. You know, he was pro. Like, his first pro contest, he beat Tony Hawk when he was 14 years old.
- [95:02]
A
How old were you guys when you met?
- [95:04]
B
When we met, I was. Was 23.
- [95:09]
A
Okay.
- [95:10]
B
Yeah, it was a big deal to me. And when I was 23 and his clothing company that he started, like, he had me on the team, and I was like, not for skateboarding. I was like, I was sponsored for literally drinking bong water, lighting myself on fire, and jumping off bridges.
- [95:30]
A
Oh, my God.
- [95:31]
B
But the. Danny wrote this idea. He's like, oh, I got an idea for you. You know, because he just loved all my crazy that he did. He goes, dude, it's called shark hugging. He says. He says, catch a blue shark and reel it up to the boat. And when the. When the sharks just on the boat, you jump off and. And, like, hug it, you know? Terrible idea, because, God, dude, blue sharks, like, whip around and they're.
- [95:54]
A
Blue sharks are like. Like deep water sharks, right?
- [95:58]
B
I mean, yeah, but he was saying they have it on the hook, so you catch and reel it up to the bottom boat. Maybe it's d. I don't know, like, but they are fast. They. They can flip.
- [96:06]
A
Flip around, but you have to, like, go way offshore to catch that. Or that was that.
- [96:10]
B
I mean, whatever. And, like, again, I don't know the depth of where you find them, but, like, it made sense to me in that if you think of, like, by, like, the way that a compass. You know, a compass can only make that circle.
- [96:26]
A
Yeah.
- [96:26]
B
Outside of that, like, circle, a compass can't reach.
- [96:30]
A
Right.
- [96:30]
B
So if the shark was on line, the fishing pole would. And the line would be like the compass. You know what I mean? Like, so if you were behind, like, the. How far that line could reach. Right.
- [96:42]
A
Yes.
- [96:43]
B
Technically, you'd be able to hug the shark and it wouldn't be able to get you. You know, I did a bad job explaining, but you follow.
- [96:48]
A
No, I understand what you're saying.
- [96:48]
B
Right. But then again, like, of course now, like, you can't show that because it's like the hook in the mouth and, like, the animal. You're gonna upset it. It's just gonna be upsetting and understanding, unsettling. But the. The shark hug idea was still, like, at play. But the way that we filmed it. We filmed all of my footage for the first season in the space of five days, all in Florida I was living.
- [97:15]
A
First season of what?
- [97:16]
B
Of jackass for MTV.
- [97:18]
A
Okay.
- [97:18]
B
Like, going back, this was in literally year 2000. So 25 years ago.
- [97:23]
A
That's crazy.
- [97:24]
B
Almost exactly 25 years ago, it was specifically, August of 2000.
- [97:28]
A
Thousand.
- [97:29]
B
So. So. And I only shot on three of those days, of those five days. But. But they. They had. And we didn't know Manny at this point. This is what I'm getting to.
- [97:41]
A
Okay. Okay.
- [97:42]
B
So we. They found a. Like a tourist operation that would take you. I think it was in Fort Lauderdale, and they would take, like, families out to go swim with nurse sharks. They had. Had literally thousands of families like that they took swimming with nurse trucks. Yeah, that was. That was the day. So that the. The guy says that. The guy says, you know, the one thing you got to watch out for is your hand movement.
- [98:12]
A
Right.
- [98:13]
B
Don't wave your hand around the sharks.
- [98:14]
A
Right?
- [98:14]
B
And I go down there. Like, once we go down there, we're. We're playing with the. The nurse sharks were humping them, like. Like, dry humping these nurse sharks. And I do exactly what they say not to do. Like, I'm waving my hand in front of the shark.
- [98:30]
A
Yeah.
- [98:30]
B
And bites me. I still have this scar right there. Like, my fingers, like. Like, shredded by this shark. Like. Like, why? Just got bit by a shark on the. On the tip of my finger. And I go up. I'm crazy bleeding, and get on the boat. We got this hilarious medic Ed. The medic, he's got a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, and he's like, of my finger. And, you know, later that day, like, I'm doing this street fishing, which is originally called bum fishing, but that was with the dollar on the fishing line.
- [99:04]
A
You on it?
- [99:04]
B
No, you don't on it.
- [99:06]
A
You just.
- [99:06]
B
You just attach a dollar to a fishing line, right? You leave it on the sidewalk, and you're out there with your fishing pole.
- [99:12]
A
And when you chase it. Yeah.
- [99:13]
B
When people go to reach it, you reel it in. And so then they're like, you got them chasing the dollar down the street. You're reeling it in. Super funny. But. But, yeah, sorry. I got my finger all bandaged up now. The thing was that when I came on the boat with my. My shark bite and the blood everywhere, the. The people in charge of that tourist operation, they said, you can't show that on mtv. If. If you show Stevo getting bit by that shark on mtv, then. Then our business is done. You can't. You know, like, that's terrible. You can't do that. And Jeff Tremaine made a verbal agreement. He said, okay, we won't show that. And. And I got bit by a shark for nothing. You know, I was so pissed. And. And so then, like, it was in our heads like, all right, we can't continue to film with little family operations like this. We just lost a sh. An on camera shark attack back right. There was a mellow nurse bite. Nurse shark biting my finger. But it was a bummer, you know. And so then like I'm gonna guess very shortly after that there the Pontius and Tremaine were watching Animal Planet and Manny had, I think it was maybe it was called Ultimate Predator. I don't know. Manny had a show on Animal Planet and they're watching Manny me like lift alligators out of the swamp and everything, which they thought was just so great. But like the, the clincher was that he was riding sharks around, lifting alligators out of someone all while wearing a Speedo. The fact that he was doing that jacked too. Yeah, for sure. The fact that he was doing that while wearing a speedo was absolutely like done. We, we have to have this guy. Yeah. And they, they, they, they suspected that like had the shark attack happened on Manny's watch that there would be no issue. We would be able to show it. You know, whatever happens with this guy, you're going to be able to show.
- [101:19]
A
It like Jesus in a Speedo.
- [101:22]
B
Yeah. And, and, and, and honestly there never was a shark attack for us with, with you know, with Manny. Yeah. And like the, the first time I filmed with Manny was in the Everglades with like alligators and stuff. And it was, we learned Manny's such a, such an asset. I love him so much, man. Like, like Manny's best on camera stuff was largely when something like completely random was happening at his like peanut gallery. Like his reaction comments, his re like when I snorted the earth earthworm. He just couldn't even believe it. He was like, he's laughing so hard. He was there when, when Dave England barfed into the frying pan and we fried up the, the vomlet. Like everything like just the way Manny would react to just our shenanigans was always so priceless on camera. And like his contribution to you know, with that with the animals and you know, under his watch. Like I remember one of the, the first time swimming with sharks with Manny, he was telling, he was trying to get us to ride great hammerheads. Like he was doing it like routinely. He'd find a great. He, he'd go out in the water chum like, like he's holding a chopped in half barracuda in one hand and a knife in the other and he's just treading water, just hacking up the barracuda. To try to attract sharks to him, see? You know, and when the sharks come, then he's like, cool. He grabs its dorsal fin and just rides it around to the ocean, you know, like, so. So epic. And it was so funny too, because Chris. Chris Pontius and I, that first day with the. With the Hammerheads, we're. We're just hanging out in the boat. We're so hungover, we got, like, no sleep. We're just like hanging out in the boat, just waiting for Manny to scream shark. You know, like. Like normally. Like, normally somebody screams shark, get out.
- [103:25]
C
Yeah, time to get in.
- [103:27]
B
We. We hear shark. We're like, oh, hurry up. Jump in. Jump in the water.
- [103:31]
A
Get your Speedo on.
- [103:32]
B
We already had our Speedo, so we just had to jump in. But so Manny's, you know, hacking. He screams shark. We get in the water and it's like, all right, you know, we got some footage, but then we just start pushing it further. So, like, what we ended up doing before the end of that day. Day was like, chopped in half. Barracuda. We literally strapped them all over me. I had like, I had like, the great hammerhead bit. Well, yeah, I had just like chum strapped all over my body. And then it got in the wide and there was like some dissension on the boat. Like, like, the boat captain was not stoked on that. Like, there was like, like screaming, like, dudes, you know, and we just did it anyway. And I remember later, like, like, again, way more than 20 years ago, my dad, like, we're having dinner with my dad and. And my dad says, how can it possibly be safe to swim with great hammerhead sharks while you have chum strapped all over your body? And I'm like, duh, dad bad man. He was there. Like, nothing bad can happen when man. When man is there. I just. There was just this, like, perceived perception. And, you know, Manny was there when I had the fish hook through my face, you know, like, and the makeup, bro. When the mako shark went for my foot and Manny saw the mako shark going for me, he goes, steve O, watch out. Like I was doing again, I was doing the worst thing you can do, which is I had my head above water. So I'm not looking at what's happening, you know, I'm not even seeing a shark come. That's like, what, they have a 30 ought hook and they're like, they're like, you want to be able to see what's going on so you can kind of react. But I'm not. I'VE just got my head completely above water. No idea. But because my head was above the water, I, I heard Manny go. I heard Manny scream. Stevo, watch out. You know Steve O, watch out. And so I hear him and do that like I like jerk jerked. And that was like when Steven, watch out. And so I'm like getting away. Yeah. So great, man. Oh, dude. With Manny, it's the best.
- [105:53]
A
Is it true? I heard him. I heard the story years ago. I never knew if it was true or not. That, that you got trolled through. What was it? Boca Grand Pass. Dressed as a tarpon in a tarpon suit. Suit. Is that real?
- [106:07]
B
No. Damn it. Nah, I definitely.
- [106:10]
A
Because Boca grand is like where everyone catches the tarpon and like you can go catch a tarpon and like any day of the week camera heads will come up and just eat these like 200 pound tarpon in one bite.
- [106:19]
B
That, that didn't happen.
- [106:21]
A
Okay.
- [106:23]
B
Pontius rode like we towed totem on an inflatable orca in Alaska with like legit wild orcas in the shot, like right behind him.
- [106:37]
A
I think Manny told me about this. You guys dumped him in the water.
- [106:41]
B
Like apparently, if I remember correctly, there was not a lot of inner like, like there was like not a lot of data from like humans swimming with wild.
- [106:56]
A
Right.
- [106:56]
B
Orca.
- [106:57]
A
Right.
- [106:58]
B
And like, like they didn't know what's going to happen. They, they knew that orca is going to kill you. You're. You're going to get killed.
- [107:04]
A
They killed great white sharks.
- [107:06]
B
Yeah, big time. But our experience was, and everyone was a little bit surprised that trying to swim with the orcas, they just couldn't get near them. They just didn't want to mess with you.
- [107:16]
A
Yeah, man.
- [107:16]
B
He was in that water like trying to go ride an orca and they just went. They weren't having it.
- [107:22]
A
Yeah. He said that you guys saw it in Alaska, like a pot of orcas. And he was like, go drop me off in front of him. And he, I got in the water and the visibility was like this. In that water. He didn't see it until like he, it was literally right next to him.
- [107:36]
B
I don't think he even managed to get. I just think they weren't cool with.
- [107:40]
A
Being around humans really.
- [107:42]
B
If I remember, I don't think there's.
- [107:43]
A
Ever been a case where an orc has attacked a human in the wild.
- [107:47]
B
Never once.
- [107:47]
A
Isn't that strange, dude, because they dolphins, they eat great whites just for their liver. Like they animals up. But not humans. They don't. They don't they don't want to mess with SeaWorld. Yeah. Unless you're. Yeah. Unless you put them in a tank, then they'll drown you.
- [108:01]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [108:02]
C
You did a SeaWorld thing too.
- [108:03]
A
Oh, yeah. You did do the SeaWorld. You did two different SeaWorld stunts, didn't you?
- [108:07]
B
I sure did. Yeah. That was during my, like, militant vegan phase, when. When my approach to animal advocacy.
- [108:16]
A
Well, you don't have to be a vegan to protest SeaWorld. What SeaWorld does is criminal, bro.
- [108:21]
B
Right. Yeah.
- [108:23]
A
Didn't you go to jail for one of them?
- [108:25]
B
I was sentenced to 30 days in jail. I ended up serving eight hours.
- [108:32]
A
That's not bad.
- [108:33]
B
Yeah.
- [108:34]
A
Was that the one on the crane?
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B
Yep. Yeah, it was expensive. It was expensive and. And arguably worth the. The publicity. But, like, just looking back on that one, like, I'm just not. Not. I'm not proud of the. The wasting of. Of emergency first responders resources. You know, like, there were so many, like, fire trucks and cops, and it was just like, what a waste, you know, and. And it was dumb. Like, I'm on a crane nowhere near Sear World. Like, the reason I did that was because my buddies and I had just gotten, like, our first drone drone. We just learned how to fly the drone, and, like, so now what are we going to film with the drone? Like, to get something awesome. Like, I now need to get myself hella up in the air. So I'm just, like, looking up at, like, and I see cranes. And I'm like, well, be kind of rad to be, like, treacherously on a gnarly, super tall crane and have the drone shot of that. But that's only half an idea. So I'm like, what am I gonna do? I'm like, all right, well, if I'm on a crane, we'll get the cool drone shot. I'll bring. I'll bring an inflatable whale that says SeaWorld sucks and blow up fireworks. Like, you know, all right. Like, sure. I remember after doing that, there were so many people for years. They're like, hey, man, I really respect, like, what you did to stand up against SeaWorld. And, you know, on one level, sure, like, I, you know, I suppose my heart was in the right place, but also at the same time, like, I was just attention whoring, you know, I was like, yeah, yeah, that was just me. Like, if I. If I do this, I'll get attention headlines, you know, And I certainly did. But between wasting the emergency responders, you know, time and being a blatant, you Know, attention grab and like. Like, sort of negative reinforcement approach to animal advocacy. Like, that's sort of a trifecta of not. Not my proudest moment.
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A
It helped though, right? Because I think right after that, didn't it?
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B
It. It was, I think, coincidental that, like, within two weeks of that, there was the first legislation that said, no, no more breeding of orcas in captivity. I think that's what it was.
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A
Yeah. Because they would go out and just straight up capture those. Those orcas and dolphins and put them in those t. Thanks.
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B
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Well, you know what? I think at this point, like, whatever orcas are in captivity, then that's it. And then once they've all, you know, died, then I don't know that you can replace them anymore.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Certainly can't breed them anymore in captivity.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, yeah, I agree it's terrible because.
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A
You'Re, like, literally driving them crazy. Like, they're, like, mentally ill when they're in those tanks. Dude, you can just slowly die this, like, slow death, and they're. They're. I'm sure they. I'm sure they become some level of, like, psychotic, for sure.
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B
I mean, I think it's just the fact of their dorsal fin flopping over. It's like they've just, like, lost their will, you know, or whatever. Like, broken their spirit.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And like, it's. It's terrible, you know, but I think, you know, if I were to, you know, point to something that upsets me, like, way more, it's just like the grand scale of animal agriculture. The factory farming.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, that's like, there's. I mean, that's so widespread. It's on such a huge scale.
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A
And. And not only is it terrible for the. For nature, but it's also terrible for humans, too. To eat that stuff.
- [112:23]
B
I think so. Yeah. I think so. I. I haven't eaten any meat other than seafood for more than 17 years.
- [112:32]
A
Really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think seafood's probably the healthiest.
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B
And. And like, I. I believe. I don't think that dying's that big of a deal. I mean, sure, it's just like, everybody's got to die. You know, I think it's living that's difficult. You know, like, suffering in life is. Is what I think we want to avoid. And for me to imagine a fish that lives in the ocean naturally, it has a great life, and then ultimately, at the end of its life, it's cotton, you know, like, it's the. It had a good life is what's important to Me?
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, and. And where I've gone back and forth between eating no meat whatsoever and eating seafood. Dude. I believe that I was just doing my body all kinds of not helpful with chicken. You know, all that, like the beyond burgers. They're delicious. It's great. But that's not food, dude. No, that's an absurd substance.
- [113:38]
A
It's something made in a lab. Like chemists in a lab, like, trying to figure out, like, how do we make this thing look more like a burger and taste more like a burger and like all the chemicals and that in it.
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B
It's terrible.
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A
They're so bad.
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B
Yeah, it's terrible. So I just think that my body recognizes seafood as actual food and that, you know, now with the. All the. Over fishing in the oceans, another huge problem, you know, like.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, eating fish. Am I contributing to the, like the destruction of the ecosystem of the ocean and the whole balance of nature and like, there's no more fish. And what do they say? That the plastic in the ocean will outweigh fish, like, in the near future?
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A
Really? I'm not. I wouldn't be surprised.
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C
Seen a lot of reports where they find like, tons of chemicals in fish that's in the water and microplastics.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Now it's like.
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A
Yep.
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B
That's why I was so stoked to get a vasectomy. Yeah.
- [114:42]
A
Wait, what. What does vasectomy have to do do with that?
- [114:45]
B
My carbon footprint.
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A
Do you have any kids?
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B
No.
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A
No kids.
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B
No, I. I managed to get away with no kids. And yeah, I got a vasectomy. So I'm not.
- [114:59]
A
I thought about getting a vasectomy thing. I was. I was too scared to do it.
- [115:03]
B
Oh, yeah. It's mellow, is it? Big time mellow.
- [115:06]
A
I heard it was weird. I mean, everyone I've heard talk about it just say it was like super uncomfortable and like, I don't know, just the idea of them cutting open your ball sack and like.
- [115:15]
B
Yeah. I mean, dude, it's. It's very much like when you go to the dentist and they're like, you're gonna feel like a. A prick, you know, like some pressure here. And like, they do the local. The only thing that you feel is that one initial needle that makes it numb.
- [115:32]
A
Oh, okay.
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B
So you get like. Yeah, you've got one like little pin prick to numb the area. And then you. You literally don't even feel your ball sack after that.
- [115:45]
A
Oh, wow.
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B
And like it's the most like. Like I thought, oh, my God, I'm going to Get a vasectomy on camera and then immediately get on a horse and go galloping bareback, like to go be dressed up like a pinata and have kids whack me in the dick with a stick, you know, like, you know, and I didn't. We pushed it until my ball sack was literally a plum, you know.
- [116:10]
A
Is that, is that the reason you got a vasectomy? Part of a bit, yeah.
- [116:13]
B
I got fitted for my last, my last tour, the Bucket List tour. And it's, it's in the Bucket List special, which is free and ad free@stevo.com.
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A
What a great reason to get a vasectomy, right?
- [116:27]
B
I mean, I was, it was an idea that I had for the longest time of 20 years. You know, I was like, they're the vasectomy Olympics, you know, like, but initially when I got the vasectomy, like the footage, I was like, dude, it's so like barely invasive, you know, like the, like the, the, you know, you say cut open the ball sac, like we're talking like a millimeters incision and that just enough to fit tweezers, you know, just enough to get like really precise tweezers just to get that one tube, the vast difference, and then cut that one too. And you don't feel it at all, you know.
- [117:06]
A
Wow.
- [117:07]
B
So like.
- [117:07]
A
Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna do it. My wife got her tubes tied when she. We had our last kid, so I don't have to worry about it anymore.
- [117:13]
B
Okay, there you go. Yeah, I can't recommend it enough. I love it. Yeah, you don't, you don't have to like do terrible things to your ball sack after you do it, you know. But yeah, how interesting is it that for all the like, you know, overpopulation, are there too many people to feed? When in fact depopulation is the much more grave concern allegedly.
- [117:38]
A
Right, that's what, that's what Elon Musk has been saying that, that where our population is declined. Well, especially in there's certain kind like Japan is having a huge problem with depopulation.
- [117:47]
B
China even more so because they had their one baby population policy which seems to have turned around and bit them right in the ass.
- [117:54]
A
Yeah, I think they're lying about their population. I just had this lady on here a couple weeks ago who's from China and she like extensively does deep dives on all of like China's policies and all the statistics they come out with all the time. And she's like made this really valid case of how they're overestimating their population by like 50%. She thinks it's, she thinks their population is like, they say it's 1.5 billion billion, but she thinks it's closer to 4:1. Right.
- [118:22]
B
I googled this and, and India is 1.4:2. So India's surpassed China.
- [118:30]
A
Oh really?
- [118:31]
B
Yeah, I believe that's the case.
- [118:32]
A
Well, they, so they never had the one child policy, but apparently if you do the numbers, like according to China's statistics of their population, their population has been growing at the same rate of India. But how is that possible if they've had that, those policies since what like the, the 90s? They started, started it.
- [118:50]
B
And if you just look at America, I mean, I don't know if baby boomers are the biggest generation like the world over. Certainly the biggest generation in America.
- [119:01]
A
Yeah.
- [119:01]
B
You know, there's never been one generation that had more babies born than the baby boomers. And now the, the point that we're at, like, each generation has been less people since then and now we're having even less people. So all the baby boomers retiring represent a drain on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, like, you know, all of these, like what's called unfunded liabilities for the, for the government budget because I mean, dude, 37 trillion dollar, you know, national debt, crazy, that's 37 trillion dollars is unsustainable. But forget about the fact that that unfunded liabilities are not included in that number and that that's your Social Security, your Medicare, Medicaid, like, and those are bigger budget items, you know, like, like we're in the hundreds of trillions. If you count, you know, if you count that, like we're over 100 trillion for sure.
- [120:06]
A
Our debt, our, our interest on the debt every year is a trillion dollars.
- [120:09]
B
Well, our, the servicing the debt by just paying the interest is now a bigger budget line item than the military. It's the top budget line item.
- [120:21]
A
Well, I think with that new big beautiful bill, they just increased. Trump just increased the, the Pentagon's budget. No, now it's a, I think now it's a trillion. So now the Pentagon budget is equal to the interest payments.
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B
I mean, dude, it's crazy. It's crazy.
- [120:35]
A
But like, what does it even mean anymore? Like, like, like what is. I don't even know. I'm like losing my grip on like what money even means anymore.
- [120:42]
B
Like, well, I mean, like it's, it's definitely unsustainable. And the one time when the debt to GDP ratio was this out of Whack was immediately following World War II when all the baby boomers were born. And that what. What got us into that crazy debt was how expensive the. The war to borrow so much money to be at war. And, you know, then we went into this, like, humongous era of prosperity with manufacturing jobs. You know, now there's not a war to. You know, we had the COVID You know, we had the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID and you know, like, maybe something else, but we do nothing but just balloon our debt. Balloon our debt. And we're not. I don't know how we handle the. The next pandemic or. Or whatever. And I'm scratching my head to figure out why war is good for. For, you know, apparently, like the. It makes. It gives America a big shot in the arm, like, to. To be at war because the.
- [121:57]
A
The. The. The military contractors get. Get billions of dollars to send weapons to all these other countries. Now we don't do real wars. We just do proxy wars wars.
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B
Right?
- [122:07]
A
We just fund the other countries to fight our enemies. You know, so we just give them all this endless amounts of money to fight these wars.
- [122:13]
B
And that privatizes tax dollars, right?
- [122:17]
A
But it also artificially boosts our GDP because, like, it's like, by doing these wars and like, creating these conflicts, now we have to pump all this money into these private military companies to build all this stuff and send it over. So now, like, they're artificially inflating the gdp, when in reality, it's only. Only the specific military contractors that are getting that money.
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B
Yeah, it's insane, man. And. And the. The point being that baby boomers retiring, they represent just all. They're not paying taxes. You know, the baby boomers are retired. They're done working, and they're costing all kinds of money in Social Security and. And Medicare. So, like. And then you've got people actually working fewer up. Love them. So it's. It's, you know, expenses, not right. Not assets. They're all like, not enough new people, like creating, you know, stimulating the economy and paying taxes. You know, so, like, where's the money come from to support all these old dying people?
- [123:21]
A
Right, yeah, that's. That's the. The conspiracy theory. I don't know if you've heard the conspiracy theory about how they created Coveted to kill the old people so they wouldn't have to pay that debt that.
- [123:30]
B
Oh, wow.
- [123:31]
A
Have you heard that one? That's a crazy sinister story.
- [123:33]
B
I haven't heard that one. But.
- [123:39]
A
I mean, they call it tapering the Ponzi scheme.
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B
So I, I, I like that.
- [123:45]
A
If they could, if they could just create some virus to kill all that only targets like old people, you know, who are like on death's door already whack them. So now we don't have to pay them all that money. We can use that to pay for other things. I don't, I don't, I don't necessarily believe it, but it's, it's just one of the theories.
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B
I mean.
- [124:04]
A
And kids, and people aren't having kids anymore either. Like, like the young people now, like women are incentivized to have careers and be like, make a lot of money.
- [124:13]
B
It's not even incentive.
- [124:14]
A
No more housewives.
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B
They're forced to. Yeah, and that's the thing is that.
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A
Like, it's just cultural thing. Like, I don't think, I don't think that that most, I think most women, if they had the, I think most women want to be housewives. I think most of them want to have kids and raise their children.
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B
I think that there's like a genetic calling. Like, it's in, it's in the DNA, like for, for estrogen make, makes women want to be nurturing, caregiving and, and testosterone makes us want to be macho and. Right. And providers. Yeah. So, so, yeah, that fits right in with our genetic makeup. And you know, you just said that, that you don't understand, like, how money even works anymore. But it's like, it's kind of simple. I think that, you know, you look at The World War II ended in 1945. There was this big, like, boom in the economy from all of the manufacturing jobs were making all this great stuff. Like the, you know, it was the, like the 1950s, 60s and 70s represented like, like the, the heyday of the American dream where one, you know, one, like one person working, dad works and makes enough money for the family to have two cars, own their own home. Everything's paid off. Mom stays at home with the kids. And you know, that was the American dream dream. But two major things happened. As I understand it, 1971, they did away with the gold standard. Like, like the fiscal responsibility was built into the gold standard. Like every dollar had to be backed by gold, so you couldn't be totally reckless. And then Nixon takes us off the gold standard and now all of a sudden it, who cares? We can print all the money we want. We don't have to be responsible anymore. You know, so they print so much money that the money just loses its value and you know, like Then like, inflation's out of control. And then the other piece that was like a, a real big thing, as I understand it, under REAGAN in the 1980s, they did away with all this banking regulations. Like it. It used to be that prior to the 1980s, a career in finance wasn't like, like a big baller job.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, like, I think that there just wasn't that much money in being a finance person because there was so too much regulation to preclude people from, from really getting out of whack. But the 1980s, they do it with all this banking regulation. So now, like, it's just manipulating money and find. So you got like the, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and money becoming less valuable. And in that whole dynamic, like the purchasing power goes way down, but the poor are getting poorer, their wages are stagnating because everybody's just so greedy. So now people are earning. The one dad earned working, the one job, like, doesn't, you know, make much more money than he used to, and the purchasing power is so down.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That now it's got to be mom and dad working.
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A
Right.
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B
And, and that's not enough to, to own your own house anymore. Now, like, the. Owning a home's out of reach, you know that, you know, like, so. It's pretty, man.
- [127:53]
A
It is pretty, dude.
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B
And I, I saw this coming. So, like, I mean, I don't know saw this coming. I remember like, I was playing a game of pool with Abdullah and you know, I was, I was on tour in Minnesota by the Mayo Clown Clinic. And so I met, met up with Abdullah and we're playing pool, you know, have. At some place we had lunch and I said, abdullah, I just don't want to have kids, man. You know, like, I don't want to have kids. And he's like, what? You should totally have kids. And I said, well, dude, I said, for our parents, a university diploma meant placements in a career of your choosing, right? But for our generation, not so much, you know, for our generation considered helpful, but not by no means a guarantee. And now for, for our kids, you know, like, it's like basically useless. And, and, and it comes with all this ridiculous student debt, you know. And, you know, I said, I said the, the dwindling opportunity, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poor, like how hard it is to get by in the world today day. I just don't want it on my conscience that I created a human being to, to struggle and suffer under these circumstances. You know, I could, I could wrap my head around adopting an existing child.
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A
Yeah.
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B
To take an existing situation and improve it. But I just don't, I just don't want to create a new situation that's to go sideways and you know, and abduct his response to this. He said to me, in Africa, with all of the poverty, the famine, the disease, do you think people are any less happy?
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A
Right.
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B
And my knee jerk response is like, well, yeah, you know, but I understand intellectually, you know, theoretically, Abdullah's point is that you can stretch, strip people of their resources, you know, their wealth, even their health food, but you cannot strip from a human being their capacity to love another. And it is from loving others which we derive our happiness.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So technically. And, and also like joy too. Yeah, there's joy and, and when, and, and whatever the baseline is, is like you're gonna get accustomed to the baseline.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So like people just get used to it.
- [130:24]
A
Yeah.
- [130:24]
B
And our baseline is just so ridiculous.
- [130:27]
A
Well, America especially like in America, because we are pre programmed with the culture of trying to rise to the top and like get the big house in the boat, in the car or whatever. So like this is what you do when you're in America. You have to do this. But now it's so hard. But you know, at the same, you know, just have kids and move to Costa Rica and you know, surf all day, then you can be super happy. You don't have to have a lot of money and, you know, you eat good food, you're healthy and you're not like from the go, from the get go. By being born in America and having to live your life around this empire that seems to be crumbling, seems day by day.
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B
I mean, like I, I, I'm, you know, I said before that my dad's got this super doom and gloom, you know, mentality and like the, the debt's unsustainable, you know. Now, now what makes America different than Argentina, which has been through all of this, is that the American dollar is the world reserve currency. So that gives us a lot of leeway, you know, for now. Exactly. That gives us a lot of leeway. And like, you know, it's all like, almost like, like too big to fail kind of a situation. But you know, most recently and I think exacerbated by all the tariff stuff and, you know, all that, that I think that a lot of, you know, countries are losing faith in the dollar. You know, they used to be the safest thing to invest in was American treasuries.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, and now not so much, you know, like look at the price of gold.
- [132:04]
A
It's, I haven't paid attention.
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B
It turned into a jump ramp, dude.
- [132:08]
A
Really?
- [132:08]
B
Yeah, it turned into a jump ramp. Like you know, like gold was trading at like 10 years ago is trading at like 1,000 bucks, you know, an ounce.
- [132:26]
C
He just hit a million for a bar or something, wasn't it? Or something.
- [132:29]
B
Well, it goes by a one troy ounce is how, is how they, you know, they measure it and so it's like a thousand bucks. Now it's 10 years ago basically. Five years ago it was about 2,000. Now it's 33, 300. That's crazy. Now I mean it, it's bounced around a lot. But yeah, can you bring up the, the price of gold?
- [132:56]
A
Yeah, bring up autograph. Bring up, bring up like a, you.
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B
Can do the last 10 years, you can do the last five years. And they look pretty similar also.
- [133:04]
A
It's 3:30, so I just want to warn you.
- [133:06]
B
Oh, it is. Yeah. Shoot. Yeah, I, I, I gotta get going.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
I mean like people are losing faith in the dollar. I don't know, like at the end of the day I get myself pretty like catastrophized, you know, like ah, doom and gloom and you know like it's, it becomes kind of like a, I don't know, man. Like I, I think it's kind of, kind of fun. Oh yeah. They gotta go more out than. Oh wow. There's, that's 10 years.
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A
If you do it on Google and not brave, you'll get an actual, like.
- [133:40]
B
That doesn't look right.
- [133:41]
A
You'll get one where you can click on like 30 days.
- [133:43]
B
That's, that's only to 2023. So you're missing the actual jump ramp, right?
- [133:47]
A
Yeah. If you go, if you go on Google, like I said, you'll find the, the little thing where there's the buttons. You can do like 1 year, 5 years, 10 years and it'll show you like the value all the way back to like, I'm sure like the 90s.
- [133:57]
B
One thing for sure, it would seem looking at the graph that Trump has been very good for gold and evidently for bitcoin too, you know. Yeah, well, yeah, there you go.
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A
Look at that dude.
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C
Oh, look at the last two years.
- [134:13]
B
That's the, that's the jump ramp.
- [134:16]
A
So 2015 it was like right about a thousand.
- [134:19]
B
Yeah. I said to 2015 it was a thousand.
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A
Yeah.
- [134:22]
B
Five years ago it was 2,000 in and today it's 3,300.
- [134:27]
A
That's nuts.
- [134:28]
B
Pretty stoked that I nailed that, that accurately.
- [134:30]
A
Yeah, you did nail that.
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B
Yeah. All right, man.
- [134:34]
A
Dude, thanks for coming, man.
- [134:35]
B
For sure, man. Like, I, I get it.
- [134:38]
A
Your tour.
- [134:38]
B
Thank you. Thank you for coming to my, my show, man.
- [134:41]
A
Yeah, dude, thanks for having us tell people again about your tour and, like, where they can, like, subscribe to your YouTube and all that stuff.
- [134:46]
B
When does this go out?
- [134:47]
A
This will be out in probably like a week or two.
- [134:49]
B
Week or two. All right, so I'll have been done in North Carolina next month. Month. I'll be in August. I'm doing California, Colorado, Arizona and Utah.
- [135:04]
A
Yeah.
- [135:05]
B
And then I'm off to Canada in September and October.
- [135:08]
A
Incredible, dude.
- [135:09]
B
And then I just don't stop. Like, I, I, I honestly, like, I feel like we're. You remember, like, 2008, it was like, one day, business as usual schedule, and then the next day, out of nowhere, there's a switch, like a light switch. Boom. It's a, It's a crisis, financial crisis that happened overnight. And I think that whatever comes next could very much likely very much will be that, you know, I mean, here's the rumblings. You're definitely seeing a lot more news stories about the unsustainable debt. Debt. You're saying that the U.S. treasuries, the U. S. Debt, got downgraded. It's no longer triple A.
- [135:53]
A
Right.
- [135:54]
B
Like, you know, you're seeing, you're definitely seeing more stuff that calls it into question, but I just think it could be, like, super overnight. Like, oh, my God, there's a crisis. It happened. You know, and, like, just like the 2008 financial crisis, except I think this, whatever comes next could stand to be, like, like, more than a recession. Like, Like a, More like a depression, you know? And, And I just feel like, man.
- [136:21]
A
You think you'd ever leave the country?
- [136:23]
B
I, I don't. No, I don't. I got my 44 acres in Tennessee.
- [136:27]
A
Forgot about that. You got a huge place in Tennessee.
- [136:30]
B
I can grow a lot of food. My neighbors.
- [136:33]
A
Perfect doomsday spot, dude.
- [136:35]
B
Dude, my, My neighbors are like, they're so rad, dude. Really? Like, they'll be the security detail. Yeah, my neighbors will be the security detail. I'll have, like, the farming detail. Like. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, it's fun. It's fun to plan it. It's fun to, to prepare. But in the meantime, I just feel like I'm. I'm touring so aggressively. Just, you know, I'm trying to just, like, just work and earn as much as I possibly can just while it's there to be, you know, make the money while it's there to be made.
- [137:09]
A
Yeah.
- [137:10]
B
And you know, the byproduct is that I get so much repetition in working on my show that it just improves.
- [137:17]
A
Yeah.
- [137:17]
B
You know, like, like it's crazy like how, like how much my show evolves, you know, like, do you think it.
- [137:26]
A
Gets better the more you stay like, like, like the, the more you do it every single day versus, like taking a month off? Do you think it atrophies a lot when you take like, a certain amount of time?
- [137:36]
B
I, I go like two or three weeks on, like, like one or two weeks off.
- [137:42]
A
Yeah. But like, do you ever get into like a groove? Does it, do you ever. For sure, like after doing two weeks or three weeks or.
- [137:47]
B
Yeah, I mean, dude, like, I, I, I mean you'll get to a point where it's like, it's pretty like the, the evolution will slow down and now, you know, but, but this show is like, still like kind of new. New. And it's, it's pretty well established at this point. But, but yeah, I'm going home to, to go and film more for it, you know, and, and yeah, like, the repetition makes it better. I'm just unbelievably thrilled with the, the quality of the show as it stands now. It's only going to get better. And the, the previous shows that live on my website, they're so like, I do, I do up for my live comedy, so. Yeah, man.
- [138:27]
A
Amazing shit, dude. Well, thanks for inviting us out and thanks for coming on the show, bro.
- [138:30]
C
Thanks.
- [138:30]
A
We'll link everything below.
- [138:31]
B
Yeah, dude.