Season 2 Postmortum (Interview)

Summary

DARK DICE Season 2 Postmortem Panel (Interview) May 26, 2026 | Fool & Scholar Productions

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Episode Overview

This special postmortem episode reunites the cast and creators of Dark Dice for a candid and lively roundtable discussion and Q&A. Travis and Caitlin (Fool & Scholar Productions) are joined by voice actors Aethor (Sintri), Hem (Gloway/Rowena), Peter Joseph Lewis (Soren Arkwright), and Fenrir Nilsson (editor) to unpack their experiences, favorite memories, behind-the-scenes moments, and creative decisions across the horror-filled second season. With nearly eight years of collaborative storytelling, the group reminisces about logistics, performance, editing, and the emotional impact of playing and listening to the show. Expect laughter, honesty, and a deep dive into how Dark Dice is made.

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Table of Contents

1. Introductions & Opening Vibes
2. Dark Dice: Timeline & Longevity
3. Behind the Scenes: Game Logistics & Story Tracking
4. Performance & Recording: Acting, Pain, and Chainmail
5. Player Perspectives: Notes, Schedules, & Style
6. Playing vs. Listening: The Actual Play Experience
7. Audience, Editing, and What Makes a Story
8. Critical Moments, Regrets, and Alternate Timelines
9. Questions from the Cast & Audience
10. Rapid Fire: Favorites & Trivia
11. Dark Dice’s Future & Reflections

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1. Introductions & Opening Vibes

• The episode begins with introductions: Travis, Caitlin, Athor, Hem, Peter, and Fenrir.
• Mood check: Aethor openly shares he's had a "terrible fucking time" recently, but others, including Hem, balance it with positivity and humor. All share current-life anecdotes and banter, setting a relaxed, supportive tone.
  • Aethor: "I am just genuinely having the worst fucking time of my life for the last month or so." [00:53]
• Weather and life updates segue into relief over the season finale being released.
  • Travis: "All the stress in the world on my shoulders—it's done." [02:55]
• The team jokes about the balance of “hard work” (producers) versus “fucking around and screwing around with stuff” (players). [03:13]

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2. Dark Dice: Timeline & Longevity

• The cast reflects on the show’s origins and intertwined history with The Lucky Die.
  • Started recording “close to eight years” ago, with season one material predating some cast members’ involvement. [05:35]
  • "Dark Dice is probably close to eight years. Plus." –Aethor [06:16]
• They humorously note that nothing is actually timestamped, so context clues are used to track the show's age. [06:26]

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3. Behind the Scenes: Game Logistics & Story Tracking

Game Management in Remote Actual Play:

• Early on, logistics were minimal: Excel sheets for character stats, lots of trust from Travis as DM, and “theatre of the mind” instead of visual aids.
  • "We used nothing, really...theatre of the mind." –Aethor & Hem [07:24]
• Problems included needing to reconstruct character sheets mid-session and juggling shifting D&D rulesets ([07:47]-[08:26]).
• Each cast member had their own approach to note-taking:
  • Hem: Serious, character-reflective notes in Google Docs, sometimes drunk-scribbled to fit her character's state. [10:01]
  • Aethor: "Chronic not note taker," relied on memory and bouncing ideas off others; regrets it sometimes. [09:19]
  • Peter: Hordes of filled notepads in Season 1, none in Season 2 ("I just know there's cake"). [11:14]
  • Caitlin: Started as a light note-taker (character died early), but became detailed when co-DMing. [13:05]
  • Travis and Caitlin, as DMs, kept shared Google Docs for tracking combat, stress, and narrative details ([14:16]-[14:57]).
• Time Zone & Scheduling Challenges:
  • Midnight-to-morning recording sessions were common, causing exhaustion and logistical headaches.
  • Majority prefer morning or midday; night sessions are “cracked” and chaotic. [15:07], [15:33]

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4. Performance & Recording: Acting, Pain, and Chainmail

• Candid revelations on embodying pain and death for realism:
  • Aethor: Uses mild physical discomfort (squeezing plastic) for realistic pain sounds.
  • Hem: Chokes herself gently for authentic choking noises. [04:15] [04:39]
  • Peter: "The pain is delicious, Aethor. We need more." [04:10]
• Legendary status of “Aethor Screaming Volume 7,” a sound file reused for years—"People will be using the Aethor Scream like the Wilhelm [scream]." [04:02]
• Chainmail & Sound Design:
  • Aethor’s real chainmail for Sintri is now a running meme—and extra work for the editor.
  • "Anything I can do to make people laugh, to make people curse, to make people do a little bit extra work, I think it's hilarious." –Aethor [55:51]

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5. Player Perspectives: Notes, Schedules, & Style

• Some players keep notes only when DMing; others switch to detailed journals over time.
  • "Anything—I need the big doodles." –Caitlin, on physical character journals [13:30]
• Bonus of co-DMing: one DM can focus on performance, the other on mechanics and keeping detailed combat notes.
• The cast discusses the trade-offs of playing at home versus performing for an actual play podcast:
  • At home: More cross-talk, jokes, in-character chaos.
  • On air: More focus on respecting others’ scenes and characters; melodrama becomes acceptable. [24:23]-[28:27]

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6. Playing vs. Listening: The Actual Play Experience

• Only some cast members listen regularly to the podcast; others struggle once involved in editing or busy with other projects.
  • "I've kind of lost the chill ability of listening to podcasts…as soon as I start listening to somebody else's, I'm just like, huh, I could be doing this…" –Aethor [18:51]
• Hem listens to keep track of the “meta” and to enjoy Travis’s hard work.
• Peter: “I listen religiously. Within 20 minutes of the episode being available, I'm in.” [23:07]
• Editing and music—like the award-winning “Song for Grandpa”—broaden the experience from game to epic story. [21:05]

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7. Audience, Editing, and What Makes a Story

• Travis emphasizes the story is only half theirs: “If we had different players, it would not have been our story. I say our inclusive of you guys.” [17:26]
• The cast confirms most moments weren’t scripted or retrofitted, but sometimes lines were redone to fit tone or clarity (e.g. redoing emotional scenes, cleaning up “peanut gallery” background noise).
  • Hem: "At no point did Travis and Caitlyn pass us a piece of paper saying, I want there to be a scene like this here." [35:01]
• Six episodes’ worth of material were scrapped due to story or technical issues.

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8. Critical Moments, Regrets, and Alternate Timelines

• On dice rolls that changed everything:
  • Aethor: "I would have liked to succeed on my sanity roll when I looked back..."—would have drastically changed his story arc. [38:13]
  • Peter: Regrets accidentally shooting one of the four surviving children. [38:59]
  • Hem: Wishes a final dice roll had resulted in her character falling into a pit for dramatic effect. [39:19]
• The never-ending possibilities of time travel and paradoxes are a running joke:
  • "Season six, baby. We can go back down there and we can push ourselves in the pit, right?" –Hem [40:11]
• Cast reflects on whether if given a do-over, they'd make the same choices—nearly all say yes. [71:08]

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9. Questions from the Cast & Audience

• Did Rowena’s (Hem’s character) son ever find redemption? It’s left ambiguous; potential future plot threads discussed. [56:41]
• Why are all Dwarves Icelandic? Because it’s fun to yell in your “parent language” at misbehaving PCs. [51:51]
• What exactly was the relationship between the Silent One, the Nameless/Unborn? Travis clarifies these were separate entities—one demi-god, one abomination from before mortal creation. [59:54]
• Cast share their not-quite-canon hopes—alternate darker endings, ideas about becoming Guardians, etc.
  • "I'm very sad my fanfiction isn't canon." –Aethor [65:44]

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10. Rapid Fire: Favorites & Trivia

• Favorite Pokémon: Caterpie, Santru, Scyther, Psyduck [69:08]
• Favorite sandwich topping: Ham & cheese with cocktail sauce, bacon, Nutella [69:37]
• Discovering Jeff (“the Jeff thing”): Travis jokes about the sudden idea—“I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get him.” [70:07]
• Was Elias Payne guilty? “No.” –Hem [70:53]
• Would you replay original choices? “Yes, would want to ride it exactly the same way.” –Peter [71:08]
• What places would you revisit in Tyral (the game’s world)? Strong preference for Strathmun’s Hold, Westmanshold, the Crag, or just being “held.” [72:17]

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11. Dark Dice’s Future & Reflections

• On reprising characters or inventing new ones: Most are open to new, morally gray or more interesting characters; some, like Sintri, want to protect their “happy ending.” [73:19]
• Upcoming content: Next up is Shores of the Silver Throne, Barry and Caitlin’s full co-DM’d campaign—and a game sourcebook. [74:43]
  • Caitlin: "...a lot of fun coming." [74:47]

Closing Quotes:

• Travis: “With you guys as the players, the right players make the story and...turn it into something with so much more breadth and life and dimension. Thank you so much for breathing that life into the ideas we had.” [75:45]
• D: “Thank you for writing the story.”
• E: “It's been such a privilege.”
• C: “Thank you for letting us be there.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am just genuinely having the worst fucking time of my life for the last month or so.” –Aethor [00:53]
• “Your pain is just so visceral. I feel like you actually stabbed or stubbed your toe during the recording, like, in your closet.” –Travis [04:02]
• “We do not condone our actors and friends hurting themselves for the sake of commercial exploitation.” –Caitlin [04:34]
• “If you're not congratulating me on my violence, I don't want to hear it.” –Aethor [05:23]
• “Chainmail hugging. And it's hilarious to me.” –Hem [22:40]
• “Anything I can do to make people laugh, to make people curse, to make people do a little bit extra work, I think it's hilarious.” –Aethor [55:51]
• “Season six, baby.” –Hem [40:11]

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Key Timestamps

• [00:49] – First Q&A: Well-being check
• [05:35] – Show timeline and history
• [07:01] – Logistics and early remote recording
• [13:05] – Note-taking strategies
• [15:07] – Scheduling chaos
• [18:42] – Playing vs. listening debate
• [24:23] – Difference between playing at home and for an audience
• [35:01] – Editorial retakes and what is/isn’t scripted
• [38:13] – "If you could change one dice roll…"
• [51:51] – Icelandic Dwarves origin story
• [59:33] – Clarifying the Silent One, the Neverborn, and campaign mythos
• [69:08] – Favorite Pokémon and sandwich
• [70:07] – “The Jeff thing” (Jeff Goldblum cameo)
• [74:47] – What’s next for Dark Dice

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Summary prepared for fans and newcomers: A rich, revealing, and hilarious conversation among creative collaborators who care deeply about the worlds they build together—and the stories only possible with this particular mix of cast, chaos, and commitment.

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Transcript

[A]

Hey, everyone, I'm Travis.

[B]

And I'm Caitlin.

[A]

And we are Foolen Scholar Productions. And today we are here joined by.

[C]

Hello, my name is Athor. I was the voice of Sintri.

[D]

Hi, I'm Hem. And I still continue to be the voice of Gloway.

[E]

Yeah, why'd you say it like that? All the memories. You just threw them on the ground. I am Peter Joseph Lewis, the voice of Soren Arkwright. And I'm Fenrir Nilsson. And I'm editing this interview. And this will be the last time you'll hear me interject.

[A]

Well, first and foremost, we have some questions from people. You guys can also ask questions if you want to. As we go along. I have a spot where it's like, what are your questions? But also, if you just think you are, it's gonna be conversational, so we don't have to follow the list completely question for question. But there's a good opener that someone sent us.

[D]

It's.

[A]

How are you doing? I like this one.

[E]

That's so nice.

[C]

I'll start it with a bummer so the rest of them can pull it up. I am. I am just genuinely having the worst fucking time of my life for the last month or so. It has been brutal. It's all stupid, and none of it is fun to share, but I am having a terrible fucking time. How about you guys? How about you, wife?

[D]

Well, husband. I am not having a terrible time at all. The studio is built.

[C]

I don't.

[D]

I. I'm not completely ready for what we're recording. In a week's time, we have a bunch of people coming over, and you're stressed, and I'm stressed. I'm fine. Everything's great.

[C]

We're fine.

[A]

For those who cannot see, they're in a beautiful studio which has, like, lights between every row of these cool egg carton soundproofing things. And they just put on a filter.

[D]

Colors change.

[A]

And it's.

[F]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Colors change.

[A]

I. Goosenest.

[E]

Is that Corinthian marble. It's gone full season two of severance up in here.

[A]

How are you, Peter?

[E]

Oh, I was gonna say that I'm quite depressed, but I need to balance it out from Aethors, so I've never been better and I'm really fulfilled. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

That's fair. How are you, Caitlin?

[B]

I'm tired. Yeah, I'm tired, tired.

[A]

So this. Wow, Aethor.

[D]

You said precedent.

[E]

You said we were gonna balance you out, but you were wrong.

[B]

I'm tired, but my family is visiting, so that's nice. I just wish the weather were better because it is, like, late May and it's just been nothing but cold rain. And it's like, what the heck happened to late spring, early summer? It just feels like late autumn. And that winter is coming.

[E]

I am literally getting snow tomorrow.

[D]

Wow.

[E]

It will snow here. There is snow on our mountains.

[D]

We have no snow. It's glorious sunshine outside.

[C]

It's Icelandic window weather where the sun is out. But outside it's still like 3 degrees windy.

[D]

And how are you, Travis?

[A]

Oh, me? I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm pretty, pretty okay. I'm better now. Now that the episode is out, I am dandy happy. And all the things that episode, the finale was like, all the stress in the world on my shoulders. It's done.

[E]

That's Sisyphusian burden going on.

[C]

Yeah, it's done.

[D]

Just congratulations, man. I know it's like, to finally finish and this has been a wild ride. So congratulations and well done to everyone over there for, like, all the hard work. We just turned up and fucked around and screwed around with stuff. Like, you guys did the actual hard work, so well done.

[E]

Seriously.

[C]

No, I was gonna say I got my recordings in on time this time, so I feel like I was very helpful.

[A]

You were. You were so helpful. And your recordings were good. I did. I have to tell you this. There's a file I have on my computer called Aethor Screaming Volume seven. And it's from the White Vault, season two. And I use it all the. Like, I've never used the entire performance. I'm still milking this performance you gave me from however many years ago that was as often as I can. Whenever your character gets hurt, whoever your character happens to be, and it's so

[E]

good, 12 years time, people will be using the Aethor Scream like the Wilhelm.

[A]

Your pain is just so visceral. I feel like you actually stabbed or stubbed your toe during the recording, like, in your closet. I'm always.

[E]

The pain is delicious, Aethor. We need more.

[D]

We enjoy. We enjoy a lot. Thank you.

[C]

When I'm doing, like, a long session of pain recordings or, like, heartache, like, just general pain, I usually go find some piece of plastic that's a little bit sharp, but I'm clenching it in my fist. It helps a lot to have that, like, burning sensation somewhere on your body. Yeah.

[B]

We do not condone our actors and friends hurting themselves for the sake of commercial exploitation.

[D]

Usually when, like, I'm making choking noises, I am genuinely choking. There is, like, hands on the throat kind of Choke. Yeah.

[E]

I barely survived those sunburned planes.

[A]

The sunburn for the actual sunburn doesn't

[E]

take that just opened the blinds for 30 seconds and I was sunburned.

[C]

That's us.

[A]

And then there was not a question, but a huge congratulations to Peter as Soren for best performance in an actual play at the Baltimore Web Fest. Yay.

[E]

Oh, really?

[D]

Thanks.

[E]

Baltimore Webfest. Is it for the PvP episode? Because otherwise I do not accept.

[A]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I just got this message, so I'm like, oh, that's.

[D]

I love your drama Hands that went with that proclamation, Peter. Just like, not taking otherwise. And I agree. If it's not for that, then they don't know what they're missing.

[C]

If you're not congratulating me on my violence, I don't want to hear it.

[E]

You're not going to give me awards for my lowest moment. You don't deserve me at my back.

[A]

So we have another actual question. Dark Dice is going on for how many years now? I think it's like, 2018.

[C]

So dark dies. The first recording was done back when I lived in Reykjavik, but before I met or started doing any. The Lucky Die with V. And the time I show up at Lucky Die with V is like episode 30 something.

[D]

Episode 31. You appear in the episode Squashing on Arena in which Travis appears before you do.

[C]

Yes, you do. Ha ha. And I believe that TLD in totality has been recorded for eight years.

[D]

Yes. We hit nine years in a couple of months, actually.

[C]

So I would say that Dark Dice is probably close to eight years. Plus. That would be using context clues.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Wow. Okay, we're getting up there.

[E]

There's no other way to know. We have to use context clues because nothing is timestamped.

[C]

We don't know.

[A]

Caitlin, you're free. Return back when I get you. All right, we'll bring Caitlin back in just a bit. She's got to run for a few.

[B]

I will be back. Travis has a point on the thing where he says that he'll come get me, but I wasn't there for most of season two in the beginning, so he's gonna ask you questions about that now.

[A]

And take cookies and the tea.

[B]

It's not cookies. You made challah bread.

[A]

Okay, well, enjoy it. So we've got another question here. It's how did you all logistics, the game visuals, virtual tabletops, dice rolls, keeping track of what happened the last session that may have taken place over a year in the past.

[C]

Well, Travis was very kind and Generous on the first recording session. Let's put it like that. I used a random Excel sheet to track my character, and Travis just went with, I believe you, man. Just, I believe you. Which is a wild thing to do in such an aggressive game. So, I mean, I think Travis always just took it very, very chill. We used nothing, really for, like, just

[D]

Theater of the mind.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think when we started, we had so many people who were playing for the first time, and we had people trying to play across the entire world, and it was just like, bare bones, like, oh, you might have a small issue with an Excel spreadsheet or your character sheet. That's fine. We'll iron it out later. Just keep going. We can't stop for every bump on the road.

[A]

I remember we had to reassemble the character sheet on the fly during the game at one point. That was incredible. Thank you again.

[E]

Remember that, too.

[D]

You're welcome. That was. It was like, do you have the character sheet? Yeah, I have it. And it was the old one where it wasn't leveled up, and, like, oh, fuck me.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

And it was like, everything but the top page, which has all of my actual stats. So it was like, oh, I know how many gold coins I have in my pouch, but that's it.

[A]

And we're switching from, like, 2015 to 2025 rules. And, like. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Thank you for recreating Soren. Like a Star Trek atomizer for me. That was really nice.

[D]

You're welcome. It's like, you don't need to know what all of your abilities do right now because you're in the middle of an actual fight. The only thing you need to know is how hard you can hit and with what dice. Like, that's really all that you need to know right now.

[B]

And how hard they can hit you.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

We don't need to know that. Let's skip that.

[D]

We don't care about that.

[C]

We don't intend to be hit.

[A]

Big question, though. How did you guys keep track of your notes? Did you guys take notes? Were you. Because these. Again, like, I was finding notes that I had that were so old that they had faded from the sun and I could no longer read them.

[B]

I would like to say because. Because my character died so early on, I didn't really have to take too many notes before I wasn't around long enough for it to matter. And then it was fine. It was exactly what she should have died, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So totally fine. I had a very good heroic death,

[E]

I think, in my head. All I can hear is the ding the bell of Bones.

[C]

I am a chronic not note taker. It has bitten me in the ass many, many times. When I was younger, I used to love doing a thing where we sat down for a home game and I would just go, alright, guys, on the last episode. And then I would just rant all the things that I remembered. And I loved doing that. It was fun to try to, like, see how much I would remember. And everybody would be yelling and it was fun. I am noticing now when I get to home games, I'm just like, all right, last episode we had a fight with somebody.

[E]

The vibes seemed bad.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

I may have been thinking, so I do not have any notes, but I have been bouncing off V non stop for eight years about our characters.

[D]

And I was taking notes.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

From the start on Google Docs.

[A]

Are they like. I just have to know this because I've never actually seen these notes. Are they like sassy notes or are they like serious notes?

[D]

No, they tend to be serious notes. I only put like, sassy notes in if it's in line with character. And Rowena may have started off a little bit like, oh, I'm so scared. But by the end she's like, I'm focused and I know what I'm going to do. So my notes tend to reflect the character. I have a drunk character, an ex drunk character. And all of the notes from the first year of playing are just really, really dumb drunk notes. I barely took any notes because that was in character. But now she is recovering. Her notes are very precise, so they very much match what my character is.

[C]

You just reminded me. I do take the sparsest of notes for my particular character. And they're always so useless in the long run. They're usually just like, name, occupation, where, and then maybe like a really stupid sentence underneath it.

[D]

They owe me like 400 gold and they dress like a flamingo. What about you, Peter? What note system do you use?

[E]

Yeah, I had played Liberty Vigilance with you guys and had filled up an entire. Whatever this size of notepad is, one

[A]

of those roller jewels by six inches.

[E]

That's the one.

[B]

It was square.

[A]

He made a square with hands.

[E]

And so I think I had three more of those that for the first season of Dark Dice, I filled up three more complete things. Pretty loose notes. And then starting in the second season, I completely stopped taking notes, which is why it sort of is a little bit tighter in the first season. And then I go to so many birthday parties later. Cause I Don't know. I don't know what the plot was. I just know there's cake. So it's okay. So I do have a drawer in my recording closet that's filled with Vigilance and Dark Dice season one notes.

[A]

I do remember Athor. You did have one note that you brought up in game and I kept the recording of you saying, oh, I found that. I got this little sunflower seed from the little cycloptic lemur guy.

[C]

I was like, yeah, I forgot that.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's what I mean. I have these useless fucking notes from time to time where I've just like written like Rand. It's usually. It's. It's so my notes are shit. Do not. I. I am, I'm reaching 40 soon and I. I think I have to just like allow myself. Like when I hit 40, start taking notes. I thought like, this is the end.

[D]

No, no, no. You're in multiple actual plays. Please take notes, Vladimir.

[A]

Christ.

[D]

We were joking.

[C]

We're running a different actual play called the Sprouting and we haven't recorded in about a year. And we have a backlog of current

[D]

release schedule of like 100 episodes.

[C]

About two years more so we wouldn't have to start recording for three more years. And I was just like, I need to kill my character. When we start again, I'm not gonna remember anything.

[E]

That sounds like an interesting show. I wonder what it's about.

[A]

Look in the show notes. The Sprouting.

[C]

Look in the show notes.

[A]

What about you, Caitlin? What are your.

[B]

For this specific campaign, my actual character died so early. Didn't matter when I came back later and I was actually DMing with Travis, I wrote so many notes mostly because I wanted to make sure I had like really good descriptions for you guys. So yeah, everything was written in a Google Doc so that Travis had access.

[D]

Did you guys like take a lot of notes while we were actually playing or would you just tend to take notes like before just like prep wise nowadays?

[B]

So when I was first playing as an actual player in Dark Dice, I kept like a little text document on my computer while I was playing. Just important things that I was like, oh, I should probably remember these person's names. And then sometimes they weren't important because they died or whatever. But nowadays when I play as all of my other types of characters in our home games and everything else, I have an entire journals that I fill with my character sheet and then physical journal, like a physical journal, I choose a nice pretty one and then I put everything in There, it's my character sheet. It's where I write absolutely everything. Useless information, fun information, tiny doodles, anything. I need the big doodles. Very much a joy. I would need a bigger paper. And then those are probably passed around the table so that people can look at them.

[A]

And then While we co DMed the final part together, everything. Post time travel, we did have this shared Google Doc that we would both write into and get like, notes like, no, you're doing it wrong. Wrong accent. Or like these different things back and forth to each other. Mostly it was keeping track of combat and trying to make sure, like, okay, so and so has taken so much damage. So and so's stress is at this level. We can really f with you now if you get a little bit more stress, these sorts of things.

[B]

So one of the great benefits of when we do get to DM together is that one of us is usually talking to you guys and the other one is taking copious numerical notes so that we know how close we are to either breaking your mind or breaking your bones.

[E]

Or both. Probably both.

[A]

And then do you have a preferred stay up late or get up early for a game with different time zones? Those of you who record online and play games over Zoom and other mediums,

[C]

If I get to choose, I'd like to wake up early. We did a recent stint where we stayed up late and recorded from like

[D]

11pm until like 4 in the morning.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So overcome.

[C]

Like two weeks and I took off from work for that and I was still like, absolutely cracked. Like, once the thing was done, like, for weeks, I genuinely couldn't sleep. I was like, weirdly lethargic. So early in the morning is better for me.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, we have like, kind of the most flexible schedules because we are like very like, self employed, basically. So, yeah, if someone wants to record at 3 in the morning, I will bitch about it, but I will do it. But I will also record early or late if we're working with the Australians, like, and just whatever works for other people. But I am very much a. Can we do at least past midday? I don't want to go to three in the morning anymore. But can we at least do after midday? I'm not really a morning person.

[C]

You are so cracked in the morning.

[B]

I can't do the morning. I don't function.

[D]

So.

[A]

Peter, we did sessions from like, literally one in the morning to like six in the morning for most of season two. I remember those because I was in a room without air conditioning or heat and it was the winter and we had no insulation. And I was sitting in front of basically a toilet with a 2x4 and my laptop in front of it. Mouse on one side and, like, a daw on the other to keep it balanced.

[B]

I was so glad I was dead for that part.

[A]

Like, I remember those mornings. And, like, in the recordings, I hear myself shivering. Like, oh, yeah, it was cold. I had to rerecord that because I'm too cold. And then the party got through the

[E]

winter, just adding to the dead pines experience.

[A]

But you, are you morning or evening or.

[E]

I think I got the best end of the stick almost every time. I had a couple of, like, eight AMs. Like, this record is an 8am, and that's about as bad as it got, I think.

[A]

I'm so jealous, which is.

[E]

I shouldn't have said that out loud in front of you all. But I was fine. I didn't have any off hours.

[A]

There's a lot of notes. Like, we have insane scheduling. Like, when you're playing, like, okay, summer planes. We allotted, like, an hour 15, but of course, someone with their magical lantern took us over time. But that's okay. That's okay.

[D]

I'm not spending time talking to each other. What are they doing? We're on a time track.

[A]

Well, Caitlin was, like, initially, like, no, no, no, no, no. This is. This is the content. This is the content. We can cut the other stuff. This is it. We cut a whole location because of that. But it was worth it because I think your conversations added so much more than, let's say, like, an extra hellscape. The reality of the situation is the really cool conversations that you guys had occasionally with Russ when he was with you, like, those were so dang good compared to, like, what we could have thrown at you. And a lot of people praise us for the story and yada, yada, the story is you guys. Like, we created the scenarios, but if we had different players, it would not have been our story. I say our inclusive of you guys, not our exclusive. It really is our collective story in this sense. Anyway. Do you guys listen to the podcast? And if so, what's the difference from playing to listening? Because that's. That's like a relevant feeling of this right now. Because it's playing is one thing, right? And then. And then hearing it, is it completely different? I know I. I edited a lot, so I hope it's a little different, but is it a positive? Is it a negative? Is it like a separation of church and state? What are your feelings?

[C]

I've been answering first, because I'm a big old blabbermouth, so I'll stick to my pattern.

[D]

No, no, Athel, tell them how it feels like to listen to the show.

[C]

So I will be opening by saying I listened to the first season and I don't think I ever listened to the second season. Back in the first season, I had a job that was much more mindless and I could genuinely just enjoy podcasts and stuff like that. But as my work became more cerebral, I stopped being able to listen to podcasts in my free time. And I have recently tried to listen to podcasts and it's just, it's not a platform for me anymore. Like, I think too much about making my own that like, as soon as I start listening to somebody else's, I'm just like, huh, I could be doing this or I could be doing that or I should be working or I could be working. So yeah, I've kind of lost the chill ability of listening to podcasts. But yeah, so nothing past first season like hardcore, unfortunately. As much as I wish I would have listened to all of it and enjoyed every single second and have photographic memory like I used to of like Invader Sim when I was a younger, I knew all of it.

[A]

I know.

[C]

How about you, V?

[D]

So I listened to all of season one, I listened to our side of season two, but I did not listen to Peter's side of season two. I'm sorry, I see how that was because we hadn't had our fight yet and you know, we met anew that you guys were coming for us even though we didn't. We in character didn't know. So I didn't want to listen to your guys side in case it ruined something when we finally had our little dust up, our little a little fisticuffs which didn't result in any deaths whatsoever. So yeah, I tried not listen to your slide and then I've just been listening as they've come out because for me, I just like to know, because, you know, we've pulled back the curtain enough to, you know, there's been edits and changes and I like to know what the actual meta is so that when we go back to record, it's not quite as much as a surprise if something has changed. And it usually is something dumb. And also I like listening to what Travis, what I have forced Travis to make. I feel like if I'm singing and I'm forcing him to come up with an entire song and soundtrack, I should probably do the honor of actually listening back to what we've done well.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I've heard all the songs.

[A]

Award winning soundtrack from you, by the way. Like, seriously, that was so cool. The song for Grandpa. Yeah, that was in my heart every day. It's a great song.

[D]

It is beautiful. It's like most of those are like Icelandic poems that we find and then we just. We screw with them until they work. Sometimes we'll change the words. Like a song for Grandpa, I think was sun for Grandma.

[C]

It was either grandma or mother.

[D]

I don't remember. Yeah, I think it was Grandma. Cause just remember reading the backstory to it. So we changed that so it would fit better with Celagon.

[E]

All dwarves are Icelandic to me now.

[A]

And did you get to hear the finale or did you hear only up to PvP and then just like, no, no more.

[D]

Oh no. I listened to all the episodes as they came out. Like as soon as we finished recording. Because it happened a week after we finished or around the time we were recording tld. So all finales were happening at once us. So by the time we'd finished with glowing Syndro and Sora and I was just like, and I'm done. That's my story told. And I'm just interested to see where Travis and Caitlyn take it now because I like hearing the differences. I love how you edit it down to make it sound awesome.

[A]

So were the soul lights okay? The Icelandic. We found a fully Icelandic women's choir in Copenhagen and tried to get them to sing a weird version of your funeral song. I didn't know if it was really was like understandable to you on that, but it was. It was the funeral song you guys wrote, but re recorded in a different key and a little creepier.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Gorgeous. I know.

[D]

I thought you just dicked with me in so many different ways. I like, there's no way. That was weird.

[C]

I tried. There's a lot of musical work that has gone into it. There's a lot of editing work that has gone into it though. Even though my memories of the story are always more important or however you want to phrase it, there is also the effort of everybody involved that you want to kind of enjoy.

[D]

You need to enjoy the chainmail work that Travis did. In the hug between the three of us before we go fight when we're all invisible, he adds chainmail hugging. And it's hilarious to me.

[E]

Gotta get you some jingle jangles. It's top tier.

[D]

It's gotta be an easier way, man.

[A]

That is one of the questions actually that people asked. Ithor but let's ask Peter. What do you do first with. Do you listen to the show? And if so, you made fun of Ithor for not listening. He's never gonna hear it in episode.

[E]

It's a couple of times in episode I make fun of you guys for not listening to the show. I listen religiously. Like, within 20 minutes of the episode being available, I'm in. And I have.

[D]

Suppose you have to wait till I've woken up.

[E]

6, 7 AO3 accounts with sexually explicit fanfiction of Ayas. You can find those. You can search.

[A]

You can. The bulk of my work, please look them up. They're quite good, I'm told.

[E]

There is a little bit of, like Travis was saying, there's a little bit of a separation of church and state there between, like, playing and then listening back. And like Athor was saying, the meat of it feels like the experience we had playing. That kind of feels like the main event. But then when you go back and listen, you know, any. Any character that was voiced by Travis or Catelyn now has an actor assigned. The world is fleshed out. The NPCs are fleshed out. This incredible orchestral score from Legends across, you know, the world adds so much to it. So it's like a hugely different experience between playing it and listening to it, in my opinion. And they're both, like, uniquely special and wonderful.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

How would you say playing for an audience as opposed to just like, you know, I suppose you were there to have fun too, but, like, what was it like? Are there differences for you with that performance, Peter and others?

[E]

It's a really good question, because when I had done Vigilance, that was my first TTRPG of any sort. And then Dark Dice was my first real D and D experience back when we were using the official set. And the two times I had done it that were put out into the world is the only time I've played a game like that, and it was for an audience. So I had never at that time had the experience of just getting to play for myself, for the group dynamic of it. It's always been a people are going to hear this. Maybe hundreds, maybe thousands of people are going to hear this. I am nervous as hell. I hope I don't say something stupid, but. And then inevitably I did say something stupid. So there's a little bit of pressure to it, but it's also completely normalized for me because that's how I started playing D and D. I just say

[A]

some of my favorite conversations are like, Russ had an idea to build a trap and then you're like, so do you have any rope? Nope. Well, we've just been talking about this rope trap. It's going to catch a tree, it's going to flip him in the face, and if he comes from that one direction only. But you don't have rope. Nope.

[E]

It's not exposition. It's not even a joke. It's my favorite kind of thing.

[A]

What about you guys over in Iceland?

[D]

When I play at home, I'm much more likely to take liberties than I am if I'm performing. If I'm at home, I, you know, I will do stuff, I will cut things across. I will just play like you're playing at home. I'll have a big laugh. But when I am playing for something, I know that is going to go out. I try my best to make sure that other players at the table get their time to shine. I try not to cross talk too much. I try not to do. What is the peanut gallery effect when you're playing at home being like the, hey, these two people are having a scene, I want to throw peanuts at them and talk like an asshole. I don't do that when we're performing. And I also don't do these massive one on one things that we ended up naturally doing when we were playing Dark Dice for the first time. I don't do those because. Because when you are at home and you have a group of like five of you and a gm, if I want to do a one on one session or my character wants to have like an in depth conversation with the person opposite me, I'm effectively asking the other people at the table to shut up and not be involved. Which doesn't feel like a fun group activity. But I think we have the leisure and liberty to be able to do that for an actual play. So I tend to like, for me, those kind of really are the bigger differences.

[C]

They enable what people would negatively call melodrama. You get to be your weird character and have your weird problems and you get to make it everybody else's problem and everybody has to take it seriously.

[D]

Everyone has to be quiet because everyone has to respect the other performers at the table when you're doing it as a performance. But if you're doing it at home, you're just being a dickhead.

[C]

Yes, I love playing for an audience because it is, in my opinion, as only a player, never a dm. It is so different when I'm sitting at the table with my friends. I will rip into the DM I will rip into the players. I will make fun of their characters and their actions and their behavior. I will point out that they stole shit in a different episode. I will do whatever I please as long as I think it will get laugh from anybody else at the table. That's the only thing I care about when I'm playing with people. It is to have fun and laugh with my friends. But when we're recording, it is just like, all right, my character has these beliefs. My character has these standards. My character has this baggage. All right, I need to make sure that I'm representing all of this when I'm talking. My character can't randomly be really upset about taxes in one episode. And then as soon as he has a piece of land, he's like, yeah, taxes. I've gotta tax everybody who lives on my land. Like, you have to keep all your shit straight. And it's really difficult. And I love that. I love having characters, like, fully fleshed out in my head. And again, this is why I have to start taking notes.

[D]

So for you, Travis, what's The difference between GMing at home and GMing for a podcast?

[A]

It's funny. I mostly GM for podcasts for a long, long, long stretch in the last 10 years or so. It's mostly been vigilance, which also you guys were part of. You were the NPCs, like, corners. Oh, man. And then also our teal. The Lucky Eights gang, which most of the lucky die were part of the Lucky Eights gang.

[D]

Anyway, I always thought it was the

[A]

funniest joke that no one but us know. Like, maybe people, I bet, like four or five super fans out there know, they're like, oh, I got.

[C]

Yeah, the amount of people who pop up in our discord and go, hey, so I heard you on insert 3 Foolen Scholars show, and then I felt down the whole of insert Lighthouse show. So I am imagining there's a bunch of people who have listened to that episode again and gone like, wait a

[D]

minute, what do we knew is the other lucky eight?

[C]

What the f. Yeah, I'm hoping they're in the tens, Travis. Tens of people.

[E]

There are dozens of us, hopefully.

[A]

And I'll also say running at the differences as a person who's like, ranging professionally or have got people who've traveled to be at our house because no one lives near us. They have to either walk 10 minutes or they have to drive like an hour or three hours. We have a player who drives regularly, like, basically three and a half hours each way to play with Us kind of like, on a monthly basis. Because it's also. It's like a weekend. We hang out, we paint stuff, we chat about nothing. And also, we've got, like, all of his best friends with us for the weekend, so it's just an excuse to hang out. But, like, I want to make sure they're happy with their characters, so I'm a little more lenient on, like, not the outcome. The Dice definitely tell us, like, all right, you died. Sorry, end of your character. But, like, are you okay with your character being dead? Maybe we can have some sort of dark pact here to bring your character back. Most of the players are okay with their character dying. And it's, like, thematic. One person became a villain. These are all fun things. A lot of the things I'll do in, like, Dark Dice, but my goal in a home game is to make the players happy and entertained and, like, walk away. Like. Yeah. Despite whatever we're doing, that's how I walk away. Yeah. And then with Dark Dice, I'm really focusing on trying to tell somewhat of a coherent story, and I can't have too much side stuff. Season two, I did way too much side stuff. And we could have had another three years of content with what we worked through. I gotta really focus to tell a story and make sure that it's scary because our audience is here for the scary stuff. And when I go and get sheep and we just have a lot of fun and I make bed. Advertisement Commercials, part of an episode. People on the Internet are like, what the actual effort you're doing to my porch.

[E]

They don't understand.

[A]

Okay. It's April Fools. You don't understand. I know.

[D]

Did you not? This is the release date.

[A]

Yeah, that's okay. But, like, I have to really focus and try and make sure that our goals and stories are a little more sharp refinement and trying to keep these things in line. So that's the biggest difference for me. Following up on this, what sort of things. Elements of the show were added after you guys play? Was kind of a popular question. Did you guys notice anything that you're like, I don't remember any of this or something. Or something. I give you guys retakes for stuff. What sort of stuff do I make you do?

[D]

I record frequently for the Silent one against Peter's party. Oh, what?

[C]

I didn't even know that

[D]

I recorded. I think it's in the first couple of episodes. I think you see Rowena at some point, and she's, like, drinking the blood of children or some Shit. And Trevor's like, can you record this for me? I'm like, yeah, sure. It's not me, but I'll do it.

[A]

I used some of your laughter also in the last episode as the Silent One again.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

I know that there are about six episodes of recordings that were thrown away due to recording people interaction, storylines clashing, and things just getting particularly cleaned up. So there is definitely an unfortunate element of my brain that is just like, huh, Wait, no, wait, didn't we do like a thing? And like, I have V, like kicking me under the table, like, no, no,

[D]

we didn't do that.

[C]

That never happened.

[A]

Never happened.

[D]

When we started recording the finale, the joke was we will have our own fan fictions and what's happened here, and then we need to stick to one. And that's what we're going with.

[E]

It's just how sanity works in this universe.

[D]

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[E]

We're all living our own story.

[C]

I was blessed that we had listening parties for like the last couple of releases.

[D]

Around the PvP episodes.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, around the PvP episodes. And the amount of thematic alterations that were made in that episode are fantastic. Like, that is story world building, character

[D]

driven, and what should have been an award giving performance by Peter.

[A]

Yes, it might be. It's been nominated, actually. It just got nominated also for the Colorado webfest coming up. I feel like for the rerecords in that element, I don't feel like I'm asking a whole lot on for thematics. You guys actually recorded everything. The difference is I'll maybe ask you to record the exact same lines, but instead of like laughing, I'll just have you like, can you record this? But serious, but the words don't change.

[D]

One of the things that you got me to rerecord way back when in like season one was after I had killed Sindri and I did the whole take. I was. I remember sitting up, my legs were like, up, up on my chest and my hands were over my mouth and I was like half mumbling, panicked. Oh, my God, I've just killed a guy. I kind of like this. He seems like a great scene partner. I've just killed him. And he's just taken a piss and he's coming back to this. I felt so bad. I remember my hands were covering my face the entire time. You're like, I think you need to re record that. I'm like, okay, yeah, because your hands

[A]

are in front of the mic.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

And it sounded like that. Yeah, that was. Makes sense.

[C]

Did you still have your Snowball back then.

[D]

I did.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That time.

[D]

Shit. Mic.

[C]

Yeah. That may have been savable for. With a better mic, but no, there's definitely. Like, we need rerecords because the peanut gallery was doing some shenanigans, and we need, like, clean takes of, like, silliness away from silliness. Like, other than slight alterations, like, the story is still the story that happened. Like, there was never a. Like, aside from. Like I said, like, we have, like, six episodes in the dumpster. I'm going to keep repeating that. So you can't cut it.

[D]

We're going to have to draw across the different things. We all have to do it. And he can't cut us all.

[C]

Aside from those. This is the story that was told. Like, at no point did Travis and Caitlyn pass us a piece of paper saying, I want there to be a scene like this here.

[D]

Or, I need you two to be emotional. Like, no, that's us.

[C]

The yelling at Soren after he, like, lanterned.

[A]

That was the original. That was the original take.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, it was the original.

[A]

Your retakes were not as good as the original. I kept it.

[D]

We were so mad in the moment. Our characters were mad. We weren't mad at you, Peter. We love you.

[C]

No, no, I would never be mad at you.

[D]

Never be mad at the. Aw. We're in her in the corner.

[E]

Right, Right.

[C]

That's what happened. We weren't mad.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, we're great actors.

[C]

No, Like, I don't think I've never been past the note beyond, like, hey, you know this person? Please behave like it. Like, that's the only notes I've ever been past, which are just like. And those are super fair notes because it's just like, in your backstory, you mentioned a dude that helped you do X. We have now named him, and he is about to show up. Be prepared. And that's such a fair. Like, that's. You have to do that. Your players don't remember their five page backstory that they wrote in a haze.

[D]

Five pages. I think I was like, a paragraph. It was, she has thigh high boots. She got kicked out of her guild because she was fucking around. Like, that was pretty much all I'd said to Travis.

[C]

I've mentioned it before. The entire crack. Or Craig, as I spelled it.

[A]

Craigslist.

[C]

Yes, the entire Craigslist. Craigslist. I wrote an entire stupid story about the crag, like, a long time ago. And I was just. I don't know. I was excited to be part of my first actual play. So I wanted to bring a character that was like fully fleshed out and I thought it would be extra funny if I died early.

[A]

We are still working on the book for that, by the way. We've expanded it a lot since you've last seen it. And yeah, I'm hoping at some point we get to put it on the podcast in some form or another in a bigger sense. But we're still working on it. Peter, what about you? Do you feel about the same or anything to add to it or.

[E]

Yeah, like, there were a bunch of really cool elements, not just stuff that I got to record in retakes, like elements where, you know, Rowena and Sindri might have been talking and I was just slack jawed watching you guys act, as I usually do, and contributed nothing. In some of the retakes. I get like a little throwaway line that you guys have given me. Or sometimes I'll throw in an improv, which is very fun. And then 20 minutes into the conversation I'll say something. And then there's also the element of like, really cool things that you and Caitlin add to the story, like the Dwarven graveyard bit, things that didn't necessarily happen, like live while we were playing that were just really beautiful.

[A]

That got cut. I wanted to do that, but we didn't have the time. Yeah, I had that encounter, like prepped and ready. But yeah, it's okay. When we recorded, it was just. You guys walked to location A, to location B. We're out of time. Let's go.

[E]

So there's no brown times, like little gold nuggets hidden in there.

[A]

There was a 40 minute conversation I cut where you guys just talked about not talking to yourselves and sending someone to talk to yourself to make sure you're really back in time to the real back in time. That was all cut because it was like superfluous. But, oh, cow. Like, there was a lot of it was weirdness. Speaking of which, if you could change one dice roll, like turn a failure into a success or vice versa, yours or anyone else's, what would you choose?

[C]

I would have liked to succeed on my sanity roll when I looked back,

[D]

just because it would have fucked with

[E]

the time I'm on.

[C]

No. So when I looked back and I saw the entire thing kind of crumpling, that gave Travis a very court block to make my character start seeing and understanding things in the wrong order. And that has the chaining effect on season two, which fucked Sintri in many different ways and fucked Athol, because Athol did not Realize they were doing this to him until, like, a little bit into the game where I was just like, wait, no, that didn't happen. What are you guys talking about? Like, seriously, that is probably my, like, big role that I regret. But a less serious one is the Bear Trap.

[E]

Gnarly.

[A]

Oh, the Bear Trap.

[E]

I would love to have not shot one of the four surviving children in the chest during the first season. That would have been nice.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[E]

It was such a good shot, though.

[A]

It was a great shot. You got him good.

[D]

That fight was such chaos.

[A]

That was both times.

[D]

Yes, absolutely. I think the only role that I would like to have changed, I think, was the one. One of the very last rolls we did where I think you had to roll to see whether the rope was tied around your leg and whether you fell into the pit with the body. Because I think that would have been the fucking funniest ending in the world.

[E]

Would have been great.

[A]

Maybe it'll be a Friday the 13th

[D]

just seeing you go down there, seeing Sindri go down there. Cause I think at some point you mentioned. I'm glad it's not tied around my leg either. I say nothing. Cause it was never gonna be tied

[E]

around me if I had gone into the pit or if I had got, like, a NAT one on the final stab to the Silent One's neck. That would have been great, too.

[C]

Guys, it's been eight years. The story can end now. You guys don't need to fuck up the final fight. You don't need to go in the pit. We don't need more plot lines. It's been eight years, guys. We can wrap it up.

[D]

No, no. So here's the thing, is the plot line.

[A]

They'd be dead.

[E]

Go back. I have the ball.

[D]

We can just reverse time again, right?

[E]

Season six, baby.

[D]

We can go back down there and we can push ourselves in the pit, right? And then we'd have to deal with the time paradox and the fact we've had to go back in time and push our younger selves in the pit.

[C]

Lunatic. Sounds like Jack from Lost when he needed to go back to the island. You guys are, like, obsessed, and you. You're realizing your life without TLT is worse. So you're like, oh, we have to go. We have to go back to tld.

[E]

Guys, we just left that hot Scottish man in the bunker. We got it.

[A]

I would say the. The one role that I wish was different. I felt so bad about pain. He rolled badly. He fell into a trap laid by Team B. And then just like, he's dead. There's no way of getting him back because he failed all of his roles and then just, like, passed out and was taken away.

[E]

He was not in the room.

[F]

I missed dream.

[D]

Andrew is such a fun person to play with.

[E]

I have been wondering, like, at the point we are now in the past, having killed the Silent One, can we still go prevent Elias's death by the

[A]

time you guys get out? No.

[D]

We had a plan for rescuing Elias.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

When we realized that timeline shenanigans were happening, one of the plans we had is that we were going to go back to the point where Elias was taken, and we were going to be the people that we had seen taken Elias.

[C]

You described them as short figures.

[D]

So we were like, we can make that us. We could take this. This could be us. We could save him.

[C]

Somewhere in Travis's note, it says they're either gnomes, halflings, dwarves, or something like that word that grabbed Elias.

[D]

I remember at least when we played. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So, yeah, we had this shenanigans plan of, like, we're gonna be the ones

[D]

who kidnapped him so that we could take him into the final fight with us.

[A]

But it's okay. It's okay. That have been weird. That'd been really fun, but weird.

[E]

At least I got to charm him.

[A]

And on this topic, how did season two come about from your perspectives, a team style? Did I approach you guys? I don't remember, honestly. I just remember we finished season one. You guys rolled all filled your sanity rolls, and I was like, it's a happy ending.

[C]

Psych. From my point of view. You literally just sent me a message that said, hey, I think I have a story for season two, and I would love for Rowena and Cynthia to be kind of like, core characters there. And I remember my gut instinct was, yes. It wasn't until we recorded, like, three episodes and things had turned quite dark. I was not a hero who saved the kids. Rowena's more crazy than I expected. There's all these terrible things. And also, your son is crazy and insane, and your son is a torturer.

[D]

Your son is a really bad guy. Yeah, he's a genuinely bad guy.

[A]

He did it to Ayas. He hurt Ayas.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I've puzzled that together eventually. And. And it was like when all of that kind of got, like, revealed by the second or third recording, or that was just the first recording, I was happy.

[D]

Go.

[C]

Lucky adventurer going on a magical journey. And it had turned real fucking dark. Just like, oh, boy. I threatened to kill all the what was the. She was Rowena.

[D]

You threatened to kill all of Kordalum. We would include GLOW at the time.

[C]

Like at the first recording session. That's Cinter going, I will kill every single Cordalim.

[D]

Quick, quick flip. So I remember the beginning of our story a little differently because I had twigged fairly early. We read at the end of one, I think it was the second recording session. We sat down and done. And I sent a message to Travis in the Zoom chat, like, hey, man, is Rowena Sindri's daughter?

[A]

And you were like, Mr. Burns emoji here.

[D]

It was just like, holy shit, it is. So then you and I spent a lot of the next season just fucking around and dropping in all these tiny little things that we could both reference that Sindri was her father. It was very funny to me because I spent. Because I knew during the scene when we were in the bar and she pretended that Sindri was her husband, I knew the whole time and it was really funny to me.

[C]

There is a single scene that lives in my head as that, like in Interstellar when he's like banging on the window like, no, you idiot. That was me to myself. When I think back to when you guys were like, wait, like, Cinter's like gray and bald now. What was his hair color before? And I was like, oh, I've never thought about that. And V just goes, maybe a redhead. And I was like, yeah, maybe a redhead. That was her seeding. The fact that they're genetically related.

[E]

Real bear trap.

[C]

Genuinely. Like, I listened back to it at some point. I was just like, eh, eh, no,

[D]

they're fucking with you.

[C]

Don't let Peter.

[A]

How'd we get you?

[E]

I remember you reaching out and saying that you had like a new. A new team for me, effectively, that you were thinking of another round of this, but that I wouldn't get to be with my friends and that I would be hunting my friends. And I thought, that sounds great. I'm in. Because I've always wanted to stalk a Thor through the forest in the Most Dangerous Game.

[C]

This is why I live on an island with no forests. It's the only way to protect myself from Peter.

[A]

I'll figure out exactly right.

[E]

Get a cloud, seed some trees. I remember listening to the first couple of episodes. It's really funny to me. In the second season because our story, we have a couple of, ah, the silent one. Ah, creepy teeth everywhere teeth. But for a lot of the opening, like, volley of it, we're kind of singing With Jeff Goldblum. We're going on shopping trips, there's a birthday party. We're just helping out. We're basically playing an open world adventure game, having the time of our lives. And then I started listening to the A team episodes, and they're, like, haunted and being driven out of town and mistreated at every opportunity, and things are attacking them and biting them and they're losing pieces of themselves they can never get back. And we're like, All night. And so I remember having, like. I should probably. I should probably start to take this more seriously, like, your side of it, because we have these very different A and B teams. So we got. We got back on track eventually. But, God, that was fun.

[A]

Adventures were had, decisions were made. Thank you for keeping us somewhat on track. Oh, man, that was the roughest. Like, the players make the experience, we say, and you know, the story. I had a story. They went the other way every time. It was very funny. Fuck. It's just like collective party decision. It was always interesting. But someone else asked, can you explain Glom and Gale? I'm confused. If anyone here can, otherwise I'll jump in and sort of explain Glom. Gale, I guess real quick, nobody here

[C]

knows as well as you, dude.

[A]

Like, I'll try. Basically, Gale is a pirate captain who Glom grew up hearing legends of and wanted to be like. And then Glam grew up with a terrible childhood and a split personality after his father's abuses. And Soren traded memories of this imaginary alternate self for Gale at Tasha's madhouse, so he can now see Gale. But if you listen to even the first episodes, like, anytime Glom introduces himself, I'm glum, I'm Gale. And then people look at him funny because it's just the one. Or it's briefly the silent one when there's the smell still present. But then there's the time traveling thing, which makes things a little more weird with the wish. And you get the gist of it. Was there any point in the campaign you thought things would go pear shaped and it would end abruptly? Mm.

[E]

Next question.

[D]

When I jumped down the hole to get the sword and it was curse, I thought that was going to kill me. I thought when I realized that the password was abracadabra, and I waited way too long because I wanted Athel to get back, because I wanted him to be impressed with Rowena. I thought I'd probably die roughly then. So I was like, I'm going to save this dramatic moment for then when we all got taken out by that stupid ass trap. As soon as you open the door and you go down the hallway a little bit, I thought those things are going to kill us.

[E]

I just wanted to die of embarrassment.

[D]

I thought the scary spirit woman who was broken into pieces, I thought she was outright going to kill us. At one point when I was just looking around like, yeah, yeah, sure, we all promise to come back. And I thought she was just going to murder us for lying because I was. Yeah, insta. Almost every point where I thought we

[C]

were going to die, I thought I was going to burn to death when I walked into the fire.

[A]

Summer planes when we returned from the

[C]

roaming forest and we got hit by the saw traps the second time. That is genuinely a moment where because it was so late and we knew it was at one shot. So I genuinely thought Travis was just going to say, all right, you see as like two or three of your companions just get chopped to bits and there's like, I'm not going to give you safes. It's the end of the story. I'm closing out the story right now. That's genuinely. I had that like, oh no, I should have died. I know what I would do as a DM and I would kill somebody.

[E]

Close this loop.

[D]

I don't think I've ever been in fear for a lack of hit points because I think you've always healed me very quickly or I've healed myself. So I've never been scared that my hit points would actually kill me, but I've always been more scared of being one shot.

[E]

I can't remember a time when like Sorin did a death saving throw. I don't think I ever got to zero hit points, which looking back on what we've gone through seems shocking to me. Was I ever fully down?

[A]

You were always within run roll of death a couple of times, but it was never for hit points. It was always like, I'm just gonna jump off this cliff.

[D]

You let sanity roll away.

[C]

Exactly.

[E]

Some perilous situation. So I. There were numerous times where I thought we were all going to die and numerous times where things literally did go pear shaped when Sindri fell before us. But I don't think I ever like was genuinely worried of losing Soren, which is strange because I die so regularly with other characters now. Now that I play more for me.

[A]

I thought when you opened your lantern that Caitlyn was gonna kill you guys all dead. I don't know what to do with this. This is insane. Like roll how bad it is.

[D]

I guess.

[A]

Let's and also, like, I thought the final fight, you guys were toast, but you kept critting and rolling really well. I was, yeah.

[D]

That was good. That was good.

[E]

I believe how well that, like, went. Like, the tactical elements of that battle. I'm not an expert D and D player, but I kind of have to imagine that's a rare occurrence.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Athar said it like, one point. We're not really taking a target and attacking. We're taking time to tactically pick a target. And that's what this game is. And there were a lot of them.

[E]

I really liked all the things we came up with.

[C]

It was in that fight I realized I genuinely didn't have damage. Like, I'd completely forgotten how to play my character. And I was just like, oh, God, I don't do any fucking damage. I could do. Turn on Debt.

[E]

You were just illuminating the scene for us. It was beautiful cinematography.

[A]

Your beacon of hope saved the day, though.

[D]

Yes. He kept us alive. I think that was, like, the core thing keeping us two alive. Like, you did so much damage. And I was like, I'm just gonna shatter stuff because I've got no damage. I've got nothing. I've got, like, a dagger that I don't really want to use because that will probably make me actually evil. And I'm not ready to go there

[A]

yet another question, this one's just for one person.

[C]

Ethor.

[A]

Why is dwarves Icelandic?

[C]

Oh. So when Rowena jumped in the pit, I think. I don't remember exactly if Cinter had said before, but I feel like the phrase, well, that's clearly cursed had been uttered.

[D]

Yes, yes, it had. Yes.

[C]

Something along those lines. So when she jumps in and I've been told, ethor, you are like her guardian, parental figure, kind of like uncle, keeping her safe. So, like, just like, play it. Play the character like that. Like, she's stressing you out. She's. She's difficult to deal with. And my brain went, what is the most, like, most aggravated parental figure move? And it is reverting to your natural language when you're screaming at your, like, disobedient child. And so in that moment, I don't speak any other languages except Icelandic, English, a little bit of Danish, a little bit of Spanish, a little bit of German, but mostly just Icelandic. So in that moment, I thought it was fucking hilarious to just start yelling in Icelandic. And I bet other Icelanders listen to that and they go, he sounds weird. Is he foreign? Like, does he not speak Icelandic? Because I wasn't prepared.

[D]

I think you like, because I transcribed all of season one and you went off in Icelandic. Me, I'm like, how do I trans. How do I transcribe this? And I sent a bit to you. I'm like, ethel, what the hell does this say? You sent it to me in Icelandic and you sent me the English translation, which was along the lines of, why are you behaving like this?

[C]

Yes. And the Icelandic that I spoke was definitely, like, it is that like five year. Like, it's like eight year old. Like, the kids should know better. Like, why are you screaming in the restaurant? Like, why are you behaving like this? What are you doing? You should know better. Like. So, yeah, if you find the transcripts, you can probably find the translation of that. But, yeah, so I thought it was funny to scream at her in Icelandic. And then we proceeded going and the story got heavier and there were, like, cool little moments. So I was like, ah, I'm gonna find an Icelandic poem to read out. And, yeah, just fun shit.

[A]

And then it became canonical and a lot of work every time we have a dwarf in the story.

[C]

You're both welcome. Peter turned the story into a time travel story. I think I have nothing to apolog.

[D]

I think I need to apologize for the musical aspect. I think that has given you some gray hairs.

[A]

I'm a bard. No hem. How was the live show, especially compared to your other D and D experiences for Dark Dice Live?

[D]

Yeah, it was a trip. Like, I was playing with. So David was with us, and David is still very much a D and D noob. He's still not a huge player in any team. So he was like, can you help me? I'm like, I've got you, buddy. Whatever you need. I will sit actually next to you and we will go through this. And then. Yeah, and then I got to play with the other two guys, and they were absolute hoot to play with. It was really, really good fun. It's the first time I'd had the pair of U2 code GMing. So this is before we did the finale. And that was a lot of fun too. It was definitely different because I hadn't been on the player side of a code GM before. So it was a fun and unique experience. And having everyone out in the audience happy and cheering when we were cheering and mocking us when we were doing shit, which was amazing. And I think my standout memory was right towards the end I went into this. I'm like, I just want a heroic death. I just want a death. That is the coolest thing Ever. And my character is the only one that survives. So I think you put forward my nightmare, so thank you for that.

[A]

The audience was bloodthirsty too.

[D]

Yes. Yes. They were, like, yesing on all the deaths that we had, which was a lot of fun.

[A]

Hey, Thor, this is the big question. Are you aware of your decision to wear chainmail would spark endless hours of work and a meme? Are you aware of the meme?

[D]

I feel like this is coming from Travis, not the audience.

[C]

I am not fully aware of the meme, but I am very aware of the chainmail work. And this is where the recording for an audience and recording, like, playing at home really becomes very blurry. No, I don't feel bad at all. I think it's fucking hilarious. Anything I can do to make people laugh, to make people curse, to make people do a little bit extra work, I think it's hilarious. And I'm incredibly happy. I'm incredibly happy. And I am incredibly happy with the work because I did listen to a bunch of the episodes when we were doing the live parties, and it sounds really fucking good. And I think it sounds cool, and it adds a lot of, like, weight to the environment, and I like it.

[A]

Did anybody in the cast have any questions about the story or season or mechanics or anything that we went through that you guys have unresolved and you're like, oh, my God, what was that? Or not. That's fine, too.

[C]

I have an obvious one because I didn't read anybody else's epilogue, and I clearly didn't read my own epilogue that well. What happens with Reinar? Does he ever find a way back onto the path of goodness, or does he stay the twisted fucker he is?

[A]

You never actually said so. We don't know, technically.

[D]

I guess at this point, me and Soren will go off and find him. That sounds like a bonus season to me. What do you think, Peter?

[E]

You mean for that it's the breadcrumb trail? I mean. Yeah, I've already started recording it.

[D]

Yeah. And we don't need. We don't need Athel for this. So, like, no chainmail. We promise.

[A]

Maybe he shows up. I don't know. Maybe he does it too. I wasn't sure. Maybe he'll show up as a different dwarf from Westmanshold who just sounds like a, you know, distant nephew or something.

[C]

Oh, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm Winter, Sintri's long lost cousin.

[D]

Do you mean Luindy? Come on.

[A]

No, Indy. Like Lumario.

[C]

Oh, damn it. Yeah, that's way better. The problem is ass. Upside down is still just a fucking ass.

[D]

So I fucked myself.

[A]

He's Zindri with a z. Zindri.

[D]

Oh, yes. You can tell it's a really old Icelandic name then because we have a Zet anymore.

[C]

Yeah. Fun fact, Iceland got rid of the

[D]

zet in like 1973, I wanna guess.

[C]

Yeah, it's like shit out of here.

[A]

Don't need it.

[D]

Get that weak ass dead out of here.

[A]

Don't need that.

[E]

Just call them Ibras.

[C]

So,

[D]

most American question.

[C]

I'm going to answer this question to your face. We got rid of the Z in 99% of cases. We did not in the case of zebra, which is why the zebra is like literally the only thing we put on the set in, like, it's from borrowed words.

[D]

It's a borrowed word from English, then it'll have a Z. Yeah, but we

[C]

call them zebra Hastur or zebra horse. And we still use the set in pizza because pizza just looks stupid with S's. You gotta put the Z. Like we have an Icelandic word for pizza, Flatbacker, but nobody uses it. Pizza is way better.

[A]

That's fair. That's fair.

[C]

Throughout the story, I had a little bit of a hard time remembering or understanding exactly what the Silent One was because he came by many names and he had many followers and they all acted weirdly. I am though sure that there was a different God that got kind of yeeted into our fucking reality at some point, following some very upsetting situations. The Nameless. The Nameless God. The Unborn. This is where my problem becomes, where I don't know who the Silent One is, who the Nameless One is, who the Unborn is.

[A]

This is where a lot of the retakes took place.

[C]

Yes, I can imagine. I can imagine us using the wrong word about the wrong God, thusly confusing ourselves. But the. The Unborn One, what was he to the. What is he in the scheme of the Silent One? Like, what are their connections?

[A]

Unrelated.

[C]

Unrelated.

[A]

Completely unrelated.

[C]

Oh, you.

[A]

Yeah, you guys, this is. This is going to be the Big Bad of season two. I had this whole thing planned up where, like, there's actually a question, like, is there something you wanted to happen that didn't. I intended to kill you guys. Like, I had this whole thing planned where Soren's going to be hunting you guys, and instead of finding you, he finds your bodies and he finds this abomination that's been born and is taking over the world and using speech to basically overwhelm the Minds of people and take over with just sheer will and charisma. Sort of like king and yellowish, I guess, maybe. And I've been laying down the breadcrumbs on their side, like, oh, yeah, here's a little lore. Drop in the name the Neverborn. And then you guys had some too. And you guys very minimal on your side. But then, like, except for Rowena, who is having terrible nightmares.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And stomach problems. And then the whole thing was supposed to be, it appears Rowena's dead, it kills you guys. And then maybe Soren's team shows up like a week or few later, but instead I rolled so poorly that the super boss became in the butt of a joke and I needed to justify this demigod's existence for rolling so poorly how? Like, it was beat by an old priest, the drunk, and a very competent elven druid. And like, thankfully, hashtag time travelmonkeypaw allowed Glomgale to resolve the loose ends there. But, like, I was so frustrated. But it was. It was its own thing, separate from the Silent One, the saint of some. If saints were feared and never loved, who is basically this old elf who was sent to stop the nameless God and keep it sealed and then went crazy and killed his wife and went completely mad and started drinking infected blood and became like the start of the silent faithful and the cult and the whole thing, and then made some friends along the way. But yeah, that's completely separate from the Neverborn, which is just a different, evil, primal, first creation entity. Like, one of the first ideas for mortal kind that never was given form because the gods were like, oh, this is too effed up. We're not doing this. Was there anything you were hoping for would happen but didn't or didn't happen, that wouldn't on the same sort of topic?

[D]

I had always hoped that we could take Rowena down the dark Rowena path. I think she would have been very interesting if we had. If we'd had more time to take her down the dark path, to then have Sindri come back to her and be like, what the fuck have you done to yourself? Because I think that just would have been an interesting counterpoint to what has happened with all the other characters. Like, Sindri finds his center, finds his ability to actually make decisions and do the thing. Soren begins to at least deal with his issues with the Silent One by killing it. Rowena came in with no real issues. And I love the idea of her becoming dark at the end of it because she has new Issues. Now she came in without them, unlike most other people, and she leaves with the heaviest burden of all. I thought that would have been interesting, but we didn't really get the opportunity to do that. So I think that's the only thing that I think I would have liked to have seen.

[A]

I'm sorry. I would have liked to seen that, too. That have been really cool.

[C]

There is an ancient fan fiction thought I had a long time ago with Sintra and Rowena. I think I probably created this before I even knew they were, like, more than cousins. And it was during the Prowling Forest we came across. I understand. I understand. I phrased that real fucking phrasing.

[D]

Phrasing.

[C]

Okay, what's the thing kids say? I was quite sussy there. Ankh.

[D]

Jesus Christ.

[C]

Okay, let's rephrase this.

[D]

You know. You know, we do have charges for incest, so, you know, it's not.

[C]

You Stop that.

[D]

Peter.

[C]

He's dead.

[D]

He's gone.

[A]

Peter disappears in the chat.

[D]

Oh, my God. That was an accident.

[A]

His drink came out his nose.

[C]

I. I think. I think he was taking a sip when I said, that's pretty sociocast. Fail. Fail. It was good for content. I could either restart or we can wait for.

[A]

Just continue.

[C]

Just continue. So back when we were in the Prowling Forest, we came across the Guardians. It was a male elf and a female elf, if I remember correctly, or a half elf or something like that. And I had this weird thought, because the gate needs to be sealed by blood, that if Rowena and Sintri would go back in there and fight the Silent One, that instead of leaving and closing the gate with anybody else and having to make that horrible decision, the two of them would make the weirder decision of. Of sacrificing their eternal souls to keep the Roaming forest safe, to become the new Guardians, to release the old one. And I always had that weird thought in my back of my head of like, yeah, like, if we get there and we have, like, a party with us, a party that can close the door and, like, things can be done properly and all these things. Especially if Rowena goes through, like, a dark story, which is something that we had, like, in our house talked about. I had that, like, weird, like, idea. It was the. And Xinter would sacrifice his comfort, he would sacrifice his family, basically, his end of life with his family. And Rowena, on the other hand, would have to sacrifice her lust for power, her lust for greatness and all that stuff. And the two of them would become the Light and the Dark of the Roaming Forest, that the two of them would become Guardians. And that was the weird fan fiction that me and V had written in cooperation throughout the years. And I will very much be honest here. I'm very sad my fanfiction isn't canon.

[A]

If you would have read the. The epilogues I sent you, that was really close to it. All you would have had to do was change one sentence.

[C]

I.

[D]

You could have.

[A]

You just had to read the email. It was right there.

[D]

I. I held up my end of the bargain. She went to look and I went to the forest.

[A]

I.

[C]

Things had changed so much that I didn't want to influence the story further. I had given Sintri his. Sintri gave Solver a promise, and I couldn't, without a genuine, real reason not to, I couldn't break that promise. He had promised Silver he'd be back to help her with. With her mother, with his wife, and that he would come there and be assistant. He would be the father that he promised he would be when he returned. Yeah, it would have required a lot more work, a lot more setup. Again, I would have liked Rowena to go down a much darker path, which would have been explored with the listeners and as such, the payoff of her giving up her position as a person of power within the world, with powers that she can use for whatever she pleases, to going to be a person of responsibility, keeping the roaming force safe or contained or however you want to phrase it. That would have been a real journey for people to be on.

[A]

Fair enough. And then what about you, Peter? Was there anything you wanted to happen or were hoping wouldn't have happened?

[E]

I feel like the entire character of Soren, in a sense, is, like, on the fence between being evil and being heroic. At least the way that we constructed him this time around, it's been so cool, like, going through the unnatural horrors and seeing all the other, you know, breadcrumbs and the ways this could have gone, the different paths for Sorin. And I feel like we have, in my opinion, like, the most special version of him. Because right up until the end, you got to put things in the story like, we're all standing on the edge of the void. If Sorin wants to push Sindri and Rowena in and finish it off right here. I had the opportunity to, like, you gave me all of those little diving boards that I could have taken as Sorin, and there's hundreds of them, like, throughout both seasons. And so I kind of think refusing to take some of those or in, like, specific instances Just the way the story went. Being saved by Rowena, having my person held, it feels good.

[D]

And we held you in a different way. The other time that we got there, we gave you a hug rather than just. Just magically holding you in place.

[E]

First time I've ever been hugged, and it was nice.

[D]

Oh, Soren. It's a good hug.

[C]

You know, there are places you could pay for that.

[E]

So I think that, like, I don't. I wouldn't want anything to change. Both, like, things that could have happened and things that couldn't, because the mystery of Soren in the path we put him on is so fascinating to me. I love the ambiguity of it.

[D]

You are, like, genuinely the. The epitome, like the. The. The pinnacle of chaos has been amazing.

[E]

Both fully evil and fully good at the same time.

[D]

Yeah. You are pure, chaotic neutral. It's incredible.

[A]

Were there any. We're getting, like, the last. Last kind of questions here. This is really quick ones. No explanations, just going at. What's your favorite Pokemon Caterpie? Santru.

[C]

I was forced to answer this question recently, and I don't remember what my answer was, so now I'm being inconsistent. Scyther. Sure.

[D]

Psyduck.

[A]

True.

[E]

Good choice.

[A]

Psyduck. Psych. Psych. Favorite sandwich topping?

[C]

Ham and cheese with cocktail sauce. Is that a sandwich topping?

[D]

Yeah, that works.

[E]

Bacon, because it's highly carcinogenic.

[D]

Nutella.

[C]

Oh, salt.

[D]

Is it our tears? Is this Russell?

[A]

Okay, how did you guys feel? Or how did you guys find out about the whole Jeff thing in quotes?

[C]

Through an email of. Holy shit. I got Jeff Goldblum.

[D]

Yeah. You sent me a Facebook message. You were. If I remember correctly, I think you were taking. You told me that you were taking the trash out and you had an idea. Suddenly the silent one needed to be Jeff Goldblum. And I think you messaged me on Facebook almost fucking instantly, like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get him. What do you think about him? And I'm like, sounds great.

[E]

I know that there were conversations beforehand, but all I remember seeing is a beautiful sequin pillow revealing Jeff Goldblum's face. And that, to me, is the reveal

[A]

that was exactly the inspiration. I saw the pillow while you were playing dd. I was like, it's D and D. Jeff Goldbl. This makes so much sense.

[E]

He's been here the whole time.

[C]

He was here the whole time. Oh, fuck.

[A]

IThor hem. Did you feel Elias Payne was guilty? Just yes or no, maybe?

[D]

No.

[C]

No.

[D]

I can't. I can't believe that. I mean, I Know the kind of person Drew is. I know he would be guilty, but it wouldn't be his fault.

[A]

So if you got the players monkey paw back to your first session and replay the campaign, would you take your original choices? I think, Peter, you just said yes.

[E]

Yeah, I would want to ride it exactly the same way.

[A]

That's pretty.

[D]

I would sing more.

[E]

More chainmail.

[D]

I would do this more often just to see what we could make Travis do and how much he would have to cut. I would do it more.

[A]

I would add it all.

[E]

Soren takes up the tuba.

[D]

That becomes the bit I teach you how to play the tuba.

[E]

Just all the way through the workforce. Slowly getting better at the tuba. Just in the background through sound effects.

[A]

And then now we got Caitlyn back here for the end of this. What was it like going from 1 DMs to 2 now that she's here and we can say things with her present?

[D]

It was dope.

[E]

Double pleasure.

[D]

Don't ever let him do it on his own again. More you. Seriously, in the descriptions, less Travis, more you. Because it doesn't feel equal and we miss your voice. More you. Please thank us. Okay, sounds good.

[A]

And then we've got the Dark Dice setting. Tyral, were there any parts that you wanted to visit or didn't get to go to that were maybe discussed, referenced, thought about, ideas you had in your character's backstories, These sorts of things?

[E]

Definitely not the South.

[D]

Yes. I want to go back to Strathmun's Hall.

[C]

I want to go back to Westmanshold and fix things. Not just pass through as a convict. Not a convict.

[D]

We'll shove you back down the Crag.

[C]

Sorry.

[D]

Down the Craig.

[C]

Craig.

[A]

Craigslist.

[E]

Strathman's Hold, Westmanshold. I just want to be held.

[D]

You could come with us on these adventures. I promise you. There's a lot down the Craig. Like, there's so much down there.

[E]

How deep is the Crag? I mean, the Nevermind.

[C]

Craig is quite. The Crag is very deep.

[D]

Yeah, Craig is surprisingly deep.

[C]

But don't worry, there's an entire industry around it, apparently.

[A]

What would you want in your next D and D adventure with us or not with us that you were thinking of in a Dark Dice sort? I guess it would have to be with us. If it's Dark Dice, would you replay characters, make new ones? What would your ideals be on this

[B]

thing except no alternatives to the original?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, okay. Well, if that's the case, then I guess I could be playing for a Chloe. No, I definitely would Want to take my live show character because I think she is awesome. I had a lot of fun with her.

[B]

Oh, I still can't wait for the live show to come out.

[A]

Yeah, I gotta get editing.

[D]

So good.

[C]

Yes, please. I Sintri, I can't retcon Sintra's happy ending. And I refuse to pull some Obi Wan where we start having adventures in the desert. It's like, no, he did nothing while he was in the desert. He did nothing while he lived with his family. Stop it. So I would always create a new character. What exactly I would create, I'm not sure, but I pretty sure I would not create another good guy. I think I would probably create somebody with a little bit more gray, a little bit more interest. Somebody who can't be argued, did the best he could, or like, at least

[A]

had good intentions, like, and took good notes.

[E]

I've been working on this new original character that I'm pretty excited about. Sister Savari Caverns Fall. And I'm sort of a sassy, not

[B]

inspired by anybody at all, religious dwarf,

[E]

very short run, very into martyrdom. It's gonna be a good time.

[D]

Gets immediately killed by my character.

[C]

But it's not a carbon copy because she did it on purpose this time.

[D]

Yeah, this time I actually intended to

[E]

kill and I will not be affecting my voice in any way to play the character.

[D]

Good. Oh, no. I want to hear it for the musical.

[A]

There's a question all directed at Caitlin. What's next for Dark Dice?

[B]

We are picking back up with the next section season of Shores of the Silver Throne. So very excited. The continuation of the first full beginning to end co dming campaign that Travis and I have done. So it'll be fantastic. Very happy about it and still working on things behind the scenes on that. So a lot of fun coming.

[A]

And a book for Shores of the Silver Throne. Last question is the one you guys were always expecting. Do you seek him?

[D]

I seek him to seek to put my boot in his face.

[C]

This is my property. I will not be harassed here, bitch.

[E]

Does he seek me? Come on.

[A]

At this point, maybe you did throw him into the thing.

[B]

Revenge is a driver.

[E]

Oh, no. There's not going to be any consequences for what we've done, are there?

[D]

Only because you untied that rope.

[E]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Yeah, that was exactly what I was thinking. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure gaming with you. And again, I'll repeat, Caitlyn and I can make a really cool story, but with you guys as the players like the right players make the story and it really turns it into something with so much more breadth and life and dimension. Thank you so much for breathing that life into the ideas we had and truly making our outline into a story.

[D]

Thank you for writing the story.

[E]

It's been such a privilege.

[C]

Thank you for letting us be there.

[E]

I love you all.

[A]

Till next time, friends.

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That music gives me nightmares from my childhood.

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Some lighter music here?

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