Georgia Tennant

Summary

Podcast Summary: "David Tennant Does a Podcast With… – Episode: Georgia Tennant"

Released on April 8, 2025

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Introduction

In this heartfelt episode of "David Tennant Does a Podcast With…," hosted by Sony Music Entertainment and No Mystery, Georgia Tennant takes the reins to delve deep into the life of her husband, acclaimed actor David Tennant. The conversation spans David's early life, his journey into acting, the dynamics of fame, and their personal relationship, offering listeners an intimate glimpse into the man behind the iconic roles.

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Early Life and Family Background

David Tennant opens up about his childhood in Bathgate, Scotland, providing context to his foundational years. Born on April 18, 1971, at Bangower Hospital (03:14), David recounts his father's role as a minister in the Church of Scotland, highlighting the close-knit community ties of Bathgate during the late '60s and early '70s.

David Tennant (04:32): "He was a very pastoral and hands-on minister, deeply involved in community activities."

Georgia reflects on the influence of David's parents, describing his father, Sandy MacDonald, as a "born performer" who epitomized "safety and sunshine" (08:36). David acknowledges the pivotal role his parents played, noting how his father's showmanship and his mother's steadfast nature provided a balanced upbringing.

Georgia Tennant (08:36): "Safety and sunshine. What unusual combination of words."

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Journey into Acting

David shares anecdotes from his early forays into acting, starting with his primary school days where he was cast in a school play, portraying a goblin in "Gypsum's Journey" (10:24). This early experience ignited his passion for drama, leading him to pursue formal training at the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama.

Georgia Tennant (10:24): "You were the tallest, slimmest, most golden person..."

David humorously recalls the support his father provided in launching his acting career, admitting it was a blend of nepotism and luck that landed him his first roles. His initial break came with a part in "Dramarama," a children's drama series, thanks to a photograph his father sent to a producer (23:19).

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Life in London and Rising Stardom

Transitioning to London for his acting career marked a significant turning point for David. He recounts his early days at the Young Vic Theater Company and his subsequent role at the National Theatre alongside Richard Wilson in "What the Butler Saw" (35:08). These experiences solidified his reputation and paved the way for his association with the Royal Shakespeare Company (RSC).

David Tennant (36:29): "Whenever I said it [acting], people would go, 'Yeah, but you need another job to back yourself up.'"

Joining the RSC offered David numerous opportunities to hone his craft, particularly in Shakespearean roles, where his ability to make complex texts relatable earned him acclaim.

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Navigating Fame and "Doctor Who"

The conversation shifts to David's tenure as the Tenth Doctor in the beloved series "Doctor Who." Georgia explores the challenges David faced with sudden fame, especially in an era dominated by social media. David candidly discusses his struggles with public perception and the intrusive nature of fame.

David Tennant (43:21): "It's hard to establish your own rules when suddenly everyone has an opinion about you."

To cope, David emphasizes the importance of personal boundaries and the support he received from close friends and family. He credits his relationship with Georgia as a stabilizing force that helped him maintain his sense of self amidst the pressures of stardom.

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Personal Relationship and Growth

Georgia and David delve into their 16-year relationship, highlighting how mutual support and understanding have been crucial in navigating life's ups and downs. David reflects on his growth as a father, appreciating the balance Georgia brings to their partnership.

David Tennant (53:57): "I've always very heavily relied on [Georgia], which has made it easier for me."

They discuss the evolution of their parenting styles, contrasting David's upbringing with more expressed affections to their own more tactile and open approach with their children. This shift underscores the personal growth they've both experienced.

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Balancing Privacy and Public Life

A significant portion of the episode addresses David's intentional distance from social media, contrasting it with Georgia's active presence. David explains how avoiding platforms like Twitter has shielded him from the often negative and invasive aspects of modern fame.

David Tennant (61:07): "I'm in a slightly blessed position because I'm not on that social media swamp."

Georgia admires this aspect of David's approach, emphasizing the peace it brings to their lives and the reduced pressure to constantly engage with public scrutiny.

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Concluding Insights and Reflections

As the podcast draws to a close, Georgia challenges David to consider his continuous personal evolution. David acknowledges the ongoing journey of self-improvement, emphasizing the importance of staying true to one's values and adapting to a changing world.

David Tennant (67:07): "We all just have to keep challenging ourselves to be the best versions of ourselves we can be."

In a touching final exchange, David expresses his wish for a "surprisingly tolerant world," encapsulating his hopes for societal progress and personal well-being.

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Notable Quotes

• David Tennant (00:12): "Georgia, look, I'm relocating. Not physically. Digitally. Thanks to NordVPN..."

• Georgia Tennant (03:16): "I think I've got a couple of little threads I'd like to pull."

• David Tennant (10:05): "I wasn't really into causing trouble."

• Georgia Tennant (43:21): "Do you feel like in that moment... how do you protect yourself apart from just the therapy, the people around you?"

• David Tennant (61:07): "I'm in a slightly blessed position because I'm not on that social media swamp."

• Georgia Tennant (67:20): "What makes you. What allows you to be vulnerable as a person?"

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Conclusion

This episode serves as a profound exploration of David Tennant's life beyond his acclaimed roles. Through candid conversations, listeners gain insight into his upbringing, personal challenges, and the strength he draws from his relationship with Georgia. The episode underscores the importance of personal boundaries, mutual support, and continuous self-reflection in maintaining one's identity amidst fame.

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Produced by Matt Smith, with assistant producer Rani Prescott, sound engineer Josh Gibbs, and executive producers Alex Lawless, Sarah Camlett, and Georgia Tennant.

Transcript

[David Tennant]

Hey, Georgia.

[Georgia Tennant]

Hi, David.

[David Tennant]

Have you ever wished that you could slip into a disguise and travel anywhere in an instant?

[Georgia Tennant]

Is that a joke?

[David Tennant]

No, no, seriously, Seriously. I'm talking about NordVPN.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh, okay, I see.

[David Tennant]

Georgia, look, I'm relocating.

[Georgia Tennant]

Relocating? You're literally on the sofa.

[David Tennant]

Not physically. Digitally. I'm digitally relocating. Thanks to NordVPN, I can switch my virtual location to 111 different countries with just one click. So now I can access movies, shows, websites from all over the world. And I don't even need to teleport.

[Georgia Tennant]

And what about security?

[David Tennant]

Well, NORDVPN encrypts all my online activity, protects against cyber threats, even gives dark web alerts to keep my personal data safe. And I want my personal data to be safe. Perfect for dodgy public.

[Georgia Tennant]

Wi Fi's right, because nothing screams hack me like a bloke at an airport clicking on free Wi Fi.

[David Tennant]

Well, exactly, yes. Which is why we highly recommend downloading the NORDVPN app, especially for banking and sensitive data.

[Georgia Tennant]

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[David Tennant]

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[Georgia Tennant]

So you're basically getting premium cybersecurity for the price of a cup of coffee per month.

[David Tennant]

To get the best discount off your NordVPN plan, go to nordvpn.com tenant. Our link will also give you four extra months on the two year plan. No risk with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee. The link is in the podcast episode description box. What's with all the notes?

[Georgia Tennant]

I've done a lot of prep, David. I've done a lot of prep.

[David Tennant]

You've researched your husband?

[Georgia Tennant]

Turns out I needed to do quite a lot of research.

[David Tennant]

Are there things that. Are there things that you didn't know about me?

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, this is what I'm hoping to find out. I think I've got a couple of little threads I'd like to pull.

[David Tennant]

Oh, Georgia, you can pull my threads anytime.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's nice to be in our own.

[David Tennant]

House though, isn't it?

[Georgia Tennant]

No, it's nice. Yeah, I quite like that. Although we forgot to turn the heating on in this bit of the house, so it's actually really cool in here.

[David Tennant]

I'm quite liking it though. It's keeping me shock.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay, well, good. Georgia Tennant does a podcast with David Tennant. So this is his podcast, which I am hijacking, or rather temporarily borrowing, so that we can find out a little bit more about him, what makes him tick, his likes, his dislikes. Etc. Basically, we're going to go on a journey of David's life thus far. And at the end of said journey, we're going to have a better idea of who he is today. Welcome to. Georgia Tennant does a podcast with David Tennant. Hello, David.

[David Tennant]

Hello, Georgia.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay, so I've become slightly obsessed with knowing the bits about you that you haven't already given away. So, like, part of the thing was.

[David Tennant]

You mean to you or to the world?

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, like, I mean, hopefully not to me. I mean, I hope this isn't what this is going to be. Imagine if something, some awful revelation.

[David Tennant]

Imagine if this podcast, this recording today, marked the end of our relationship.

[Georgia Tennant]

Be quite a nice end, wouldn't it?

[David Tennant]

Well, it'd be nice to have it down on record, wouldn't it?

[Georgia Tennant]

Nice for the kids.

[David Tennant]

Lovely. They could listen back. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I became slightly fixated on my first question.

[David Tennant]

Right.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because I feel like that's the launch pad.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

For where this would go.

[David Tennant]

I'm a little bit nervous. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I did have to take a lot of this off Google, which it could go.

[David Tennant]

You could have just asked.

[Georgia Tennant]

I mean, I know what your birthday is. It's the 18th of April.

[David Tennant]

That's right.

[Georgia Tennant]

1971.

[David Tennant]

Thank you. Yes.

[Georgia Tennant]

The year you were born.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Google got that right. To Sandy and Helen.

[David Tennant]

Oh, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Born in Bgate.

[David Tennant]

I was born in Bate.

[Georgia Tennant]

I don't think I've ever been to Bathgate. I think you took me to Paisley. I don't think I went to Bgate.

[David Tennant]

No, probably not.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, it's not massively relevant to your life, B, is it?

[David Tennant]

Well, I was born there in Bangower Hospital, which no longer exists, and I've recently found myself back there because by a weird quirk of fate, that's where we've ended up filming Good Omens.

[Georgia Tennant]

I have not been paying attention because.

[David Tennant]

You have not been paying attention. That's not news.

[Georgia Tennant]

It really is news to me. So when did you leave Bathgate? This is actually just for me.

[David Tennant]

I was three.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay, so you don't have any memory.

[David Tennant]

I don't, but then Bathgate's where my parents moved back to after I left home.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh, God, there's so much I don't know about you. Wow. This is going to be much harder.

[David Tennant]

Than, you know, this. Yeah. Okay, so Bath Gate. Yeah, Bath Gate is little sort of. I mean, it's when. When my dad was the minister there in the, I guess late 60s into the early 70s. It was a big factory town.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

So he was a British Leland. Oh, I Hope I've got that right. I should know that. I think it was British Leland and other factories. That's what Bathgate was. It's sort of right in the middle of lowland Scotland.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

So it's. It's very good for sort of supply routes and it had a big, sort of drew workforces from the surrounding areas. But then of course, inevitably through the 70s and 80s, those factories all shut down and so Bathgate found itself a little bit lost. It's in the Proclaimer song. Bath Gate no More, Linwood no More. That's all about big factory towns in Scotland that have been devastated by the closure of industries. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So your dad must have been massively important to that community.

[David Tennant]

Oh, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because of that.

[David Tennant]

I think so, yeah. Yeah. Because also that was a time when the local minister or.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. As the.

[David Tennant]

Probably. I don't mean to make sweeping generalizations, but probably meant more to communities than it often does these days, especially that kind of a community. And also the kind of minister that he was, he was a minister in the Church of Scotland. For anyone who didn't know that, the kind of minister he was, he was very pastoral and hands on and he got sort of stuck into all the community stuff.

[Georgia Tennant]

So he would have been a bit like a sort of local celebrity.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I think he probably was a bit.

[Georgia Tennant]

Are you a Nepo baby?

[David Tennant]

Oh, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Also then Sandy MacDonald was. Became a bit of a television star in Scottish television. He. He used to do the thought for the day and the late night thought for the day. Have I never shown you any of this?

[Georgia Tennant]

You really haven't.

[David Tennant]

Oh, they're amazing. It used to be a thing that was on Scottish television every night after the 10:00 news, I think. A little sort of thought. It was called Late Call.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

And it would be a little thought for the day. There'd be a. Usually a minister.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

I think, you know, as the years went on, they'd controversially, now and again have a rabbi or, you know, someone from another faith. It all got, you know, they got quite daring as the years went on. Yeah. And. And he would sit there on a little chair with a. With a little table with a bowl of flowers next to him and he'd go, good evening. You know, I was thinking today. And he would do a little five.

[Georgia Tennant]

Minutes and he wrote it himself.

[David Tennant]

He wrote it himself.

[Georgia Tennant]

He had notes like these.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I used to. I remember him writing them. He did them for years. No, not every day. You would do them. You'd do like a Little. You'd do a stint, you know, you do your sort of a week at a time.

[Georgia Tennant]

I see.

[David Tennant]

And you'd record them, you know, in sort of a morning. In Scottish television. And then he. He had his own religious. Religious affairs magazine program as well, called that's the Spirit.

[Georgia Tennant]

There's genuinely more information. I never learned about this.

[David Tennant]

You know this about Sandy.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's not on Google.

[David Tennant]

Well, it should be.

[Georgia Tennant]

So I spoke to a friend of yours who knew your parents.

[David Tennant]

Really? Who's this?

[Georgia Tennant]

I'm going to tell you. Oh, and describe. Describes your mum as a Celtic beauty with massive brown eyes, sharp, didn't miss a trick. Very precise, very Scottish. A reassuring presence that you wouldn't mess with if you got her approval. It meant a lot. A very lovely lady, very decent.

[David Tennant]

That's nice. Yeah. You never met my mum, of course.

[Georgia Tennant]

No, I didn't.

[David Tennant]

She died not very long before we first met, but.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, all that is very true of her. She could be quite sharp.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yes. Well, that's very much what's written here.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, she. She. Yeah, she was quite stubborn. Wasn't a lot compromising with my mum. If she decided, if she had an opinion about something, it was quite hard.

[Georgia Tennant]

To shift it, presumably. It sounds like your dad was quite a sort of a live wire, so maybe that's where that comes from. That sort of. She had to be the one that was.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I think so. He was the sort of showman. He was the kind of public face and she was absolutely the glue. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So this same person describes your dad. Sandy was a born performer, a showman. He epitomized safety and sunshine.

[David Tennant]

Safety and sunshine. What unusual combination of words.

[Georgia Tennant]

That was a really lovely way to describe Henry. I did know your dad.

[David Tennant]

Yes, you did.

[Georgia Tennant]

I would say that that's a very good description of him.

[David Tennant]

I would agree, actually. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I went to watch him perform at Pont Street Church.

[David Tennant]

I don't think we call it performing.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, I think he would, because that was very much what it was.

[David Tennant]

He probably did, but I think technically it's called preaching.

[Georgia Tennant]

I mean, I've. It was very, very much a performance.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I've never had such a great time in a church. I mean, I've spent that much time in churches, but.

[David Tennant]

Right. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

They were both very, very good. Good people.

[David Tennant]

They were very good people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you sort of take that for granted when you're being brought up by them. It's. You kind of look back on it. I look back on it and feel very grateful and lucky that I was Brought up by them.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. I feel like the description of certainly your father, I would say, is how I would describe you.

[David Tennant]

Safety and sunshine.

[Georgia Tennant]

Safety and sunshine.

[David Tennant]

Well, I like that.

[Georgia Tennant]

And a born performer. So your sister, Karen. Oh, yeah, We've had a little chat.

[David Tennant]

Have you? Oh, no, this is. You've gone. A lot's happened behind my back here.

[Georgia Tennant]

So she says about you in your younger years. As a primary school boy, he was very cute in a really geeky sort of way, with his NHS prescription glasses.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, that's pretty accurate. Thank you.

[Georgia Tennant]

I'm getting a lovely picture.

[David Tennant]

Thank you.

[Georgia Tennant]

Always into drama.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I'm assuming she means acting as opposed to just being causing trouble.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, she definitely means acting. I wasn't really into causing trouble.

[Georgia Tennant]

The primary school deputy head wrote the school show with David in mind for the lead role.

[David Tennant]

Well, this would have been Gypsum's Journey.

[Georgia Tennant]

Where you played a fairy.

[David Tennant]

I played a goblin.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. She says it was a fairy.

[David Tennant]

Well, maybe I played it as a fairy.

[Georgia Tennant]

She then says, I like this bit the best. It was a musical and he had an okay singing voice.

[David Tennant]

I mean, that's pretty accurate. That's a pretty accurate review.

[Georgia Tennant]

Thank you, Dan.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

But your mum and dad were very proud, Shads. He remembers that.

[David Tennant]

Oh, that's nice.

[Georgia Tennant]

So you got the school play written for you.

[David Tennant]

Well, this is not something that was shared with me, of course.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right, okay. I mean, for someone to notice you enough to write a school play for you, that must be something at this point. You've. You've. I mean, you showed, I suppose.

[David Tennant]

I don't know what he's noticed because I don't remember doing a lot of drama at school, but do you think.

[Georgia Tennant]

Your dad went to him and said, can you rhyme a play?

[David Tennant]

Oh, I don't think my dad would do that. I don't think. No, I think that would be sort of. Because my dad, remember, was also the school chaplain. One of his duties as the local minister was that he would come in once a week and do a little address to the kids.

[Georgia Tennant]

Was that. Did you like it? Were you a bit embarrassed?

[David Tennant]

No, I wasn't embarrassed. I was never embarrassed by him doing that, actually. Interestingly, I've never thought about that. But, no, he was very good at it, so. And he wasn't boring. So you weren't sort of feeling like you had to apologize for him? Yeah, and he would be quite funny sometimes, and so. No, that was always fine. I think I was always quite. It was nice to see him.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. Okay. Right, we're moving on. Okay, okay. To your adolescent years. It's actually a bit. We. We're gonna speed through this.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, they weren't much fun.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. First celebrity crush, Madonna, because of the poster on your wall.

[David Tennant]

Well, just because of everything she was doing around that time, which then. And then I got a poster of her. I had two posters of her on my wall.

[Georgia Tennant]

Did you buy that yourself?

[David Tennant]

Well, I suppose I must have done. It wasn't like a poster poster. It was one of those. Do you remember poster magazines? That was a thing in the.

[Georgia Tennant]

I only ever used to buy Girl Talk.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. Okay. Poster magazines were a terrible sort of marketing ploy. You basically bought a big sort of thing that folded out into a poster that was kind of a.

[Georgia Tennant]

Magical. In it.

[David Tennant]

And it had the creases in it. Yeah. So I had the material girl where she's. She's. She's got a sort of purple silk sheet.

[Georgia Tennant]

I know.

[David Tennant]

In front of her.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

And she is apparently nude underneath. That got me very excited.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. Who was your first real crush?

[David Tennant]

God, should I name someone?

[Georgia Tennant]

Just first name. Don't second name him or her.

[David Tennant]

It was probably Susan. Susan knows who she is.

[Georgia Tennant]

All the Susans out there are gonna be going, me, it's me.

[David Tennant]

Oh, no, Susan knows exactly. I mean, we had a little. We had a little. We might have had a little kiss.

[Georgia Tennant]

Behind a shed, I think, in various places. I'm just talking about the first time, not like, only exclusively behind sheds.

[David Tennant]

I can't remember the first time.

[Georgia Tennant]

I think you told me it was behind a shed.

[David Tennant]

No, it probably was.

[Georgia Tennant]

My question next is, did you always know that you were straight?

[David Tennant]

I never doubted it. But then. But then it would have been harder to be gay. One of the. One of the progressions that society has made is that, you know, we watch our children at school now and that's. That's an option that is available to them.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

You know.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. Certainly an outwardly.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Option.

[David Tennant]

Whereas, I mean, it would have been terrifying to be gay in. In a Scottish comprehensive school in the 80s. Terrifying. Obviously I was at school with gay men and gay women, presumably. But I know one guy that subsequently came out. There must have been more. But it was so awful. I mean, a terrible sort of close to any heat was around that time.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

It was really being demonized. It was. So I think I was sort of. I never felt like I had to grapple with that. So, yes, I suppose that means I did always know I was straight.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. Yeah. So as a teenager, you said that you were never sort of particularly rebellious. Or naughty or. Did you ever have any phase like that as a teenager or is. Or have you just sort of been quite. You sort of toe the line, don't you, as a human being?

[David Tennant]

Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, I do.

[Georgia Tennant]

So there was never a point where you sort of went a bit off the rails or not.

[David Tennant]

Not sort of noticeably. Not really, no.

[Georgia Tennant]

You dappled with the Lord. I don't mean like in a Star Wars y way.

[David Tennant]

I dabbled with the Lord.

[Georgia Tennant]

Did I say dappled? Yeah, I think that's in terms of an image.

[David Tennant]

I was dappled in the light of the Lord.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's what I was going.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I had a holy ghost.

[Georgia Tennant]

You dabbled with the Lord.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

How long did that last for? And how old were you when that happened?

[David Tennant]

It lasted quite specifically from about 14 to about 18. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. And why do you think that happened? Because you could not be further away from that now, I would say I think it happened.

[David Tennant]

I don't mean this to sound like. It might sound like. No, I mean, this was. This was all a debate I had with myself. This was nothing that was being projected by any of the people I'm about to talk about. But I felt because my brother and sister, both a bit older than me, had roundly rejected the idea of religion.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

And it was my dad's business and my mum was very into it. I think I felt guilty. I felt guilty that the. Were being sort of this, this very important part of their life was being rejected by two of their children.

[Georgia Tennant]

In those years after you sort of started going down that path, did. Did you feel like they were proud of you because of that? Did you feel like you were getting something from them that made you. Because 14 to 18 is quite a long time to be.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah, probably, probably. But I remember thinking maybe not as much as I wanted.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

Maybe I didn't quite get from it all the approval that I hoped for. My mum and dad were very loving, but it was never very expressed in. It was expressed in presence. In their presence and their actions and their consistency.

[Georgia Tennant]

But not. Not particularly tactile.

[David Tennant]

Not particularly tactile. Not. There wasn't. I don't remember us as a family saying I love you to each other.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

Because we do that to our kids all the time.

[Georgia Tennant]

Too much and they do so much.

[David Tennant]

And they do it back.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

And I. That's not an experience I had growing up. And I, I was. I, I remember occasion. I mean, we are on the west of Scotland, so one didn't see it a lot in other families either, but I would see. And I remember being jealous of that. So it may have been a sort of search for approval on some level. I mean, I never doubted for a second that we were adored. No, but it was always understood rather than exhibited or. No, that's not true. It was exhibited, but it wasn't stated.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because you told me a story where you went to someone's house and one of your friends was being hugged by their. Like, snuggled in with. Was it their mum?

[David Tennant]

With their mum, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And you were like, oh, that's.

[David Tennant]

It almost felt a little bit embarrassing to watch.

[Georgia Tennant]

Like, I shouldn't be saying that.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because now you as a father are very tactile and very huggy and our kids always go to you often first if they've hurt themselves or so.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

You've obviously not brought that along with you on your journey.

[David Tennant]

Maybe I wanted it so much, I've sort of manifested it. I don't mean manifested.

[Georgia Tennant]

It cannot be.

[David Tennant]

I don't mean manifested it in a spooky woo woo way.

[Georgia Tennant]

So excited Fern Cotton can just calm down the words. I don't mean manifesting.

[David Tennant]

I don't mean manifesting. And I summoned it out of.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh, my gosh, I can just give up now. I can move on.

[David Tennant]

No, no, no. I mean. I mean actually practically physically manifested it. So you come from that kind of a world. So that wasn't. That's not difficult to create within our household.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. My mother is. Was very. I mean, she's not dead. It's just. She was and is also very tactile and very huggy and very. There was a lot of. I love you.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

My father less so he's much more. I think probably what you're describing.

[David Tennant]

Yes, I think he is. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

With just like an understanding of those things rather than a. Necessarily a showing. But with our kids, like with Wilfred, I'll say to them, wilfie, can I say something? And they'll go, I love you, too. So.

[David Tennant]

All right. Yes, I love you.

[Georgia Tennant]

We've gone so far the other way that it's annoying.

[David Tennant]

I'd much rather have that. Yeah. Even when my parents were dying, it was so hard to say I love you, and it. It's quite sad.

[Georgia Tennant]

Do you mean to them you found it difficult?

[David Tennant]

I found it difficult. And they didn't really say it back. And that's not because they didn't. It's just because it's just an upbringing. It's just a way of being and a moment in time and a society and a. I mean it's not relevant because it's not. I don't doubt it.

[Georgia Tennant]

No.

[David Tennant]

It's just I'm very glad that our kids will be annoyed that we see it too much. I think that's definitely the way to be.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. I think we have to annoy them in some way and if it's in a nice way, we should embrace that as much as possible.

[David Tennant]

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[Georgia Tennant]

You're a teenager and it's Christmas. What are you asking for?

[David Tennant]

I don't remember. I didn't enjoy being a teenager. I wasn't very good at it. I was, wasn't very cool. I, I, I really was leaning into the weird looking kid.

[Georgia Tennant]

But you realized you were funny and presumably.

[David Tennant]

Did I? I don't know that I did.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, what was Susan into then?

[David Tennant]

I don't know what Susan was in. Thank goodness for Susan.

[Georgia Tennant]

You can get her to phone in. It's not live.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, it's not live. Thank goodness for Susan. It gave me some sort of hope that I wouldn't be alone and miserable for the rest of my life. But I never felt sort of like a confident person until I went to drama school and then it was like being released and I was still a teenager then. I was 17. I went, I managed to get in nice and early. So that felt like a release.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, because for you school was just a process to get through, just something to go.

[David Tennant]

I knew where I was headed. Yeah, I mean I think the world didn't necessarily agree that that's where I was headed. My parents, I mean were deputy head.

[Georgia Tennant]

Did writing plays for you.

[David Tennant]

Well, that was in primary school though. Then you go into secondary school and all, it gets serious and you go to careers advice meetings and they're going to go, yes, acting. How about teaching?

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, you know. Well, because acting wasn't really a thing, was it?

[David Tennant]

Not really a thing, no. They didn't have a. They didn't have a sort of photocopied handout to give you.

[Georgia Tennant]

And when did you do your first job? Didn't your dad send off a picture of you to somebody?

[David Tennant]

He did.

[Georgia Tennant]

Another mate.

[David Tennant]

No, not a mate, because he didn't know the drama people at Scottish television, but he knew there was a drama department. And I suppose because he had a bit of an end, he knew how to get to it.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's nepotism again.

[David Tennant]

This is nep. This is absolutely nepotism. If I'm an apple baby, this is the moment I would have been. Just before I went to drama school, he took a photograph of me in the back garden and this is where he didn't really understand. He said, do some big poses. So there are photographs of me doing things like I was just in a white T shirt, I remember, and it was a very sunny day. I can picture. These are burned into my retinas. I was doing things like shouting at the sky and kind of doing big poses.

[Georgia Tennant]

Anyway, you get paid for that now.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I know. He found someone at Scottish television to send them to. Not somebody he knew, but he found a desk for them to land on, man called Haldane Duncan, who was a producer, director, who was. It so happened, and of course there's so many elements of luck here. But they landed on his desk as he was looking for like a 15 year old to be in a. A children's drama called Dramarama.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

Which was a kind of anthology show and every one of the ITV regional stations made two or three episodes each year and they all contributed it to this series for children's television. This was only three channels back then, remember? And he was looking to cast a ghost story for that needed three teenagers and this landed on his desk and he got me in and I got a part in a dramarama.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. So, yeah, so you know you're going to be an actor. So you. You've heard drama school is like a thing.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Is that easy to get into? You just got, I want to go to drama school. And.

[David Tennant]

Well, I was a bit young.

[Georgia Tennant]

Did you dad do to get you to go to drama school?

[David Tennant]

I think my dad was involved, I think.

[Georgia Tennant]

So the nepotism stopped at the sending of the. Yeah, overacted.

[David Tennant]

I mean, there was only. There was one drama school in Glasgow, which is the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama.

[Georgia Tennant]

So that was your obvious place to.

[David Tennant]

Go now, The Royal Conservatory. So, yes, when I was 15. Because you could leave school. No, not 15, 16. You could leave school at 16 if you had somewhere to go.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

But I was only going to. I was going to go back and do my sixth year at school school. If I didn't get into drama school. And then at the end of that year, I'd try all the drama schools. This was the plan, okay? I'd come to London and I'd do all that. I was quite. I was quite green at 16, so the idea of heading off to drama school in London was terrifying.

[Georgia Tennant]

So you go to drama school. I've spoken to a friend of yours who's at drama school with you. Now, this is where my note taking gets a bit. To be fair, this person was talking quite quickly and I was writing things down. So this is a note version of what this person said about you.

[David Tennant]

Was it Louise?

[Georgia Tennant]

Where's Holly?

[David Tennant]

Was it Alan?

[Georgia Tennant]

The first time that this person saw you, you were standing by a piano.

[David Tennant]

Okay?

[Georgia Tennant]

You were the tallest, slimmest, most golden person, golden person. You had a presence and you were so compelling. People were drawn to him. He seemed to have no defences, no construct which made him very relatable and open as a human being. Nobody got confused by him, nobody begrudged him and no one resented him. People just gave him things. You defied any limits or expectation because people wanted you to succeed because you were so bloody nice. David is a good person. A mirror, for goodness. It reminded this person of Atticus Finch.

[David Tennant]

To Kill A Mockingbird.

[Georgia Tennant]

Kill a Mockingbird. Makes you feel safe. Obviously a virgin. Innocent. So that's.

[David Tennant]

I was obviously a virgin.

[Georgia Tennant]

Obviously a virgin.

[David Tennant]

I don't know. This is the loveliest review I've ever had. It's making me well up.

[Georgia Tennant]

Had a horrible red bedroom.

[David Tennant]

Right.

[Georgia Tennant]

Anal about his CD collection. Obsessed with Smash Hits.

[David Tennant]

I know it's sounding a bit more like Louise.

[Georgia Tennant]

He had a love of Doctor who, which he didn't try and hide. The implication being that you should have done.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

A love of words, a love of J.D. salinger and literature. People liked him. Same as Sandy, Safety and Sunshine. Talented and good with text. Had no interest in going to London. This is interesting.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah. She always brings this up.

[Georgia Tennant]

You had terrible eating habits. Would eat anything and everything and they were all. It was all terrible for you.

[David Tennant]

Why were you 17?

[Georgia Tennant]

I know you've still got a mental metabolism. I don't understand. It's horrible. It's really difficult to live with. Clearly this person felt that too. You did a teacher's course just to cover yourself at drama school because that would be just in case the acting didn't work out. You could also teach. And you always seem to have been on a golden road. You felt good about him. He's always been there when the shit has hit the fan. A good friend has a big heart. He's very good with people. Endless energy, big soul.

[David Tennant]

That is a very lovely review.

[Georgia Tennant]

That goes sort of back then and to now. We're sort of jumping from past to present. But it seems to be very consistent the way that this person spoke about you. Having known you back then and knowing you now couldn't really work out what the difference in you was.

[David Tennant]

Right.

[Georgia Tennant]

Which means there's been no evolution.

[David Tennant]

No growth.

[Georgia Tennant]

No growth.

[David Tennant]

Zero growth.

[Georgia Tennant]

Zero growth or exploration as you as a human being.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

But you started out pretty well. So what that has meant is this person still really likes you.

[David Tennant]

Oh, that's lovely. That's very lovely.

[Georgia Tennant]

The only negative this person did say, yeah, you did a Saturday teaching school with this person. And. And I think this bit, this, this is. Was my revolution.

[David Tennant]

Are we still pretending? I don't know who's revelation.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, I just don't want this person to feel like, oh, okay. This is Lou Delamere.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Louise Delamere, actress and producer.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

A friend of many, many years.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Now my friend.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I broke through.

[David Tennant]

You did.

[Georgia Tennant]

You hated not being loved.

[David Tennant]

Oh.

[Georgia Tennant]

She didn't speak to you for a few weeks because during the Saturday school, you wouldn't take responsibility for being the teacher of these children. So she had to play bad cop to your good cop, which meant that she wasn't liked and you were adored. And she puts that down to the fact that you do not not like being loved.

[David Tennant]

That's probably true. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And so then when I looked through your life and up until this point, I think the stories we've already talked about, I think that's quite telling, that bit of information, isn't it?

[David Tennant]

Yeah, I think that probably is quite true.

[Georgia Tennant]

Black fiber tip pen. Always had the same pen.

[David Tennant]

Wow. God, she's absolutely right. I've completely forgotten about that. I did.

[Georgia Tennant]

I've never seen you use one of them.

[David Tennant]

No, I don't know. I don't know if you can still get them. Used to get black ones and red ones and then sometimes blue ones and. She's right, I used have them.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's all the regular pen colours all the time.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. But they were sort of halfway between a normal pen and a felt tip. I love those pens.

[Georgia Tennant]

You were friends with everyone, but specifically your group was Jenny, Jill, Zoe, Alan, Mariel and Stevie.

[David Tennant]

Oh, yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Little shout out to them.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

This is your.

[David Tennant]

And Rodney.

[Georgia Tennant]

And Rodney, obviously. Rodney.

[David Tennant]

Well, Rodney's no longer with us, sadly.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. So he won't be at least insulted by the fact that I missed him off. No, but Rodney added to the group. It sounds like you were a really nice person.

[David Tennant]

Well, thank you for saying so.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, I didn't.

[David Tennant]

I mean, you're having to take this on trust, obviously.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. I mean, it's just written down here.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Which you still are. And that, I think is. I think that's interesting. You have a very different life now. You have a very different. There's a lot more noise and yet you've still managed to continue to be quite a nice human being. So well done.

[David Tennant]

Thanks, darling. I'm finding all this quite difficult.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

I mean, it's very lovely, but I find that I don't know how to react.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's just me talking, really. Aren't you?

[David Tennant]

Yeah, well, it's lovely, but I get a bit shy.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, this is a good time for a little break. This is our question from a previous guest.

[David Tennant]

Okay.

[Georgia Tennant]

Guess who this is.

[David Tennant]

Okay.

[Georgia Tennant]

Why is Olivia Colman your favorite co star?

[David Tennant]

This is Jodie Whittaker.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

Wow. She's hard not to love. That's why.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because she's hard not to love.

[David Tennant]

She's fun and doesn't take herself too seriously. And.

[Georgia Tennant]

And she's won an Oscar. That's when you'd really start to take yourself seriously.

[David Tennant]

She's won an Oscar. She'd have every right to take herself seriously. Yeah. Back when she was slumming it with me, though. She hadn't won an Oscar.

[Georgia Tennant]

No, she hadn't.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. No, but. But she doesn't seem to have changed very much. Seems. She seems pretty consistent.

[Georgia Tennant]

She's another good person, though.

[David Tennant]

She is a very, very good person. She's got a good bones.

[Georgia Tennant]

Her and Ed both do.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So I'm presuming their children also do.

[David Tennant]

I think that's how well their children are. Sort of perfect children.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. So once you finish drama school. I'm just going to run through drama school. Yeah, you do really well. Blah, blah, blah, blah. 784. Get a job. 784.

[David Tennant]

First small touring small theatre company in Scotland. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Lovely. A bit of, like, worthy theatre.

[David Tennant]

Pretty worthy. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

That is. That. That feels like a big deal.

[David Tennant]

Oh, just getting a job is a big deal.

[Georgia Tennant]

Just getting a big job.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, no, it wasn't a big job, but. But the thing is, because I didn't have any sort of precedence around me. I mean, a Nepo baby because my dad did late call a couple of times maybe. But beyond that, it's not nothing. But beyond that there was no sense that it was possible to be an actor. So whenever I said it from three onwards, people had gone, yes, but you' get another job to back yourself up.

[Georgia Tennant]

A proper job, A proper job.

[David Tennant]

So I just wanted to finish drama school and get a job.

[Georgia Tennant]

So was Lou right?

[David Tennant]

Because Louise is absolutely adamant that I used to go. No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not leaving Scotland. If I did, and it's possible it will have been fear, it will have been because I didn't know what that would be and I didn't feel capable of doing that because especially at 17, having never not lived at home.

[Georgia Tennant]

And you were the youngest of all of the people that you were a drama school with? Yeah, Lou was very cool. She was very London in a really co. London.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, a lot of them were. One of my other best mates at drama school was Alan McHugh who was 10 years older. So he was just, he was a proper grownup. He'd worked in a bank for 10 years. I mean, he was a proper human.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right, okay.

[David Tennant]

And I'd, you know, I didn't know how to feed myself. So, yeah, I, I grew up very quickly at drama school and that's why after a few years I could go to London because I, you know, I just became a grown up, lost my virginity, did all those things that I should have done a bit earlier, clearly.

[Georgia Tennant]

Wasn'T a virgin anymore.

[David Tennant]

Clear? Well, I don't know how clear it was, but by the end of drama school I was no longer a virgin.

[Georgia Tennant]

You don't have to be more specific than that. We could just leave it there. We don't need that. You moved in with Arabella Weir?

[David Tennant]

I did, yes.

[Georgia Tennant]

And she says this about you.

[David Tennant]

Oh, I thought she'd turn up.

[Georgia Tennant]

He was swatty, extremely polite, earnest, easily shocked, kind, pretty self assured, hard working, bit of a germaphobe, freaked out when he saw me taking sauce with a spoon, licking it and putting it back into the sauce.

[David Tennant]

Well, I mean, it's not that I was a germaphobe, it's just that Arabella and she's not nearly as bad these days, she used to live in an element of squalor.

[Georgia Tennant]

No. Okay. And I can see that. Yeah, yeah. I don't think I'd love it if she did that now. No, no.

[David Tennant]

Ew.

[Georgia Tennant]

Very excited to be making his way in London and horrified when someone thought he was my toy boy.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So you move to London, you get a job at. What's the first London job?

[David Tennant]

Young Vic Theater Company.

[Georgia Tennant]

And that's also fancy.

[David Tennant]

Oh, God. That felt like.

[Georgia Tennant]

That felt like I've done it. You've done it. You made it. I've done it big time.

[David Tennant]

I mean it was doing a play set in Paisley, the Slab Boys Troja by John Byrne, which is set in paisley in the 50s. So you could call that low hanging fruit in terms of getting the shoe in.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Tennant]

But, but I still managed to get it, so that felt like a big, big deal. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So you go straight from drama school to just working as an actor. That feels quite rare and unlikely. You're not having to go and get like a pub job to.

[David Tennant]

No, no. I've been incredibly lucky. I'm credibly lucky and also I'm aware of my own. Again, this is the imposter syndrome. I wouldn't have had to not work for very long before I would have accepted that nobody wanted me because I'd been told all my life, nobody's going to want you to do this. You know, the world doesn't need any more actors. People can't make a living as an actor. So it wouldn't have taken me very long to prove that true to myself. So thank fuck I got a job pretty quickly and managed to join them up. It's also in a world where there was a lot more subsidized theater around that were. And it's just harder now. There just were more jobs available for.

[Georgia Tennant]

Brand new actors and fewer actors.

[David Tennant]

Probably fewer actors as well. I mean still far too many, but probably fewer then. But just more opportunities to work in subsidized theatre and to, you know, there were I don't know how many rep companies doing an all year round program in Scotland at the time. So there were places to audition and there were always jobs coming up that you could at least try for. So it was, it was a different battleground to enter into when I was graduating.

[Georgia Tennant]

I'm just thinking of the things that you have talked to me about, like the moments in your life where I feel were quite relevant in terms of work. Yeah, I feel like the RSC was a big one. Getting a job at the rsc.

[David Tennant]

It was, it was a big one. But just before that I'd had a job at the National Theatre.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh. And that's fancy pants, isn't it?

[David Tennant]

And that felt like the first proper fancy pants kind of. Oh, it's possible to penetrate this inner circle.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

I was suddenly in a play at the National Theatre with Richard Wilson, who at the time was the most famous man in the country.

[Georgia Tennant]

Right.

[David Tennant]

And suddenly I'm in a play with him and it feels very shiny.

[Georgia Tennant]

What is this play?

[David Tennant]

What the butler saw.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay.

[David Tennant]

And that was. So that was immediately after that Young Vic job where I. I'm in a. I'm. I'm feeling quite good about it because it's the young. Reckon it's in London, but it's still a play set in Paisley.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

And then I managed to kind of punch through into the. Into the premier division. The RSC came quite soon after that. And then the RSC became somewhere that I would revisit. And that ended up offering me a lot of very lovely opportunities.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because you became quite a big star within the RSC quite quickly. Like the way that you can take Shakespeare's words and turn it into something that someone like me can understand. That's a unique talent. And not even being nice to you. I'm just. That's a fact. That had been very nice to me.

[David Tennant]

I'm finding this. I'm loving it. How nice you're being. To be.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's because I made you think I was going to be horrible.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, you did. I thought this was going to be really brutal.

[Georgia Tennant]

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[David Tennant]

Okay.

[Georgia Tennant]

I feel like that's why people are listening. Okay. So you go. You do a thing called Casanova.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I'm timeless. And tell a story.

[David Tennant]

Okay. Just do it. Do it.

[Georgia Tennant]

You do a thing called Casanova with Russell T. Davis.

[David Tennant]

Yep.

[Georgia Tennant]

Julia Gardner. And they go, oh, he's quite good. He's funny. Things aren't working out with Christopher Eccleston. Something goes wrong there. They're looking for a new doctor. Doctor who hasn't even been on yet, though. So we don't know whether this is gonna be a hit or a damp squib.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

But they come to you. They sort of lure you to the House with like a. Oh, come watch a little bit of an episode. And you're like, okay. And you go along. And then they go, and guess what? Do you wanna play it? And you pretend to think about it for like, what, like a day or something.

[David Tennant]

Oh, it was longer than that.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. But you were clearly gonna do it.

[David Tennant]

Well, maybe I was clearly gonna do it, but there was definitely a moment when I wasn't.

[Georgia Tennant]

When Was that?

[David Tennant]

About 48 hours after they asked me. And I sort of had to go process everything that it meant. And I had an agent at the time who was like, don't touch it. It's not gonna work. So you go, not my current agent, previous brilliant agent, who's since retired, but.

[Georgia Tennant]

She definitely didn't call that correctly.

[David Tennant]

She. That correctly. As it turns out, she said, it's not been on yet. It's not going to work. You don't want to have that hung.

[Georgia Tennant]

Around your neck like a scarf.

[David Tennant]

Like a scarf. Like a big, heavy scarf.

[Georgia Tennant]

Like a big, heavy, massive scarf. Okay, so you decided you're not going to do it a bit. Like, you're not going to move to London because you're a little bit scared.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, it's a different kind of scared. Scared of a different type of disappointment. But.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, yeah. So. But you do. Because you're always going to. So you say yes to it.

[David Tennant]

I say yes to it. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And you do it.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And it's a massive hit.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And you love it and you have a great time.

[David Tennant]

I do, yeah. I do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I'll put a link to all the other podcasts that he's done where you can listen to his time on Doctor who.

[David Tennant]

And then we meet.

[Georgia Tennant]

We do. Yeah.

[David Tennant]

I mean, Doctor who gives us that.

[Georgia Tennant]

Doctor who has given us a lot of things.

[David Tennant]

Oh, my God. Doctor who's given us everything.

[Georgia Tennant]

So it's not. I don't like Doctor who. It's just. I feel slightly oversaturated by Doctor who. Well, I have lived with this show much longer than you have.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, that's not true. Because you lived in a slightly different. You've had a different relationship, much more.

[Georgia Tennant]

Immediate living with, like, you enjoyed it.

[David Tennant]

I thought about Doctor who more, though, over the years than you have.

[Georgia Tennant]

And the character or the show?

[David Tennant]

The show. The character. What order the stories came in in William Hartle's second season.

[Georgia Tennant]

And this is the thing, you see, I don't care about any of that. Like, I loved being in it.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I really like doing the Jenny Adventures available on Big Finish, but I don't I don't care. I don't care. Like, I don't care. I, I, I was brought up at conventions and the people were lovely, but I didn't care about the show.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. I, you.

[Georgia Tennant]

It comes from a place of. Whereas it, it came from a place of, like, not being able to escape it.

[David Tennant]

It.

[Georgia Tennant]

From my point of view. So I've always found it a little bit suffocating as a, As a thing, and now it is even more in my life. So I have to, I have to slightly protect myself from the Doctor who chat.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because it's a bit much.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, yeah. But I, I appreciate it as a. I also now watch it. I think, actually the new who I have now watched more episodes than you have.

[David Tennant]

I've watched every single episode.

[Georgia Tennant]

Don't do the shaking your head at me thing and pretending you've watched them all. I have actually watched them all, and sometimes the kids weren't even with me. So actually, I'm a better person than you are when it comes to Doctor who. Don't even. We're not cutting that. I'm in charge of this edit. Don't listen to him.

[David Tennant]

Trouble.

[Georgia Tennant]

So Doctor who happens.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

How much do you think? Because I. So I think as a person, you haven't actually changed, but there was definitely a bit where right at the beginning of Doctor who fame enters the equation.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And suddenly you are vulnerable to people having opinions about you and talking about you in a way where they think they can say anything and they slightly own you and they can be overly critical in terms of who you surround yourself with. Do you feel like in that moment, you. Because I know you talk about starting having therapy at that point because you struggled with that. You struggled with being able to walk into a room and having people know who you are and having a preconceived idea of who you are and sort of feeling like you needed to perform from them. And because up until that point, you are volunteering the funny thing on the head, you're making people laugh under your own terms, and suddenly the world's now going, okay, yeah, fine. Especially being on the BBC, which people do feel like when you're in a show like that, because of that you pay to have it there in your living room, people feel like you have an ownership often of those shows in a way that they wouldn't necessarily on another platform. How do you protect yourself apart from just the therapy, the people around you? Do you have to suddenly become aware of those people? Do you feel like, what's your Armour at that point. What do you reach for in your arsenal of sort of tools to.

[David Tennant]

It takes a bit getting used to for sure. And that suddenly you've got to establish what the rules are for yourself and there's not really anyone to help you or teach you.

[Georgia Tennant]

No.

[David Tennant]

And that can be a little bit challenging. And that's where. And I've found things like my parents being doorstepped a lot early on. I found that really difficult because I felt like I had to protect them and they were not interested in being protected.

[Georgia Tennant]

Loving it.

[David Tennant]

They were loving it.

[Georgia Tennant]

Loved a visitor.

[David Tennant]

And then that. So then I. There'd be articles coming from inside their house with photographs of. Photographs of me on the mantelpiece. And I found all that. It's just. It's just that sense of it all getting away from you.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

Very quickly.

[Georgia Tennant]

You're so not in control of anything anymore.

[David Tennant]

No. And that's quite. That at its worst, that's quite panic inducing because you just feel exposed, you just feel very vulnerable and you're having to figure out your own guidelines and your own boundaries and there's not really anything to go on. There's no playbook. And Billy Piper was sort of by chance, sort of next to me every day for the first bit of that.

[Georgia Tennant]

And she had already experienced that.

[David Tennant]

She had had that in a pop.

[Georgia Tennant]

Star way when she was much younger.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. Baptism of fire. So she just battle hardened and that was really helpful. I learned a lot from her about how to be and how not to sort of lose yourself. But Billy at the time was only 21 or something.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

So thinking back now, I looked to her as a sort of mentor.

[Georgia Tennant]

That would be like looking to Ty.

[David Tennant]

Yes.

[Georgia Tennant]

Someone who could.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah. And. And she was actually be quite a.

[Georgia Tennant]

Good person to look.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, probably. Yeah. So, you know, that was sort of. I mean, thank goodness for her, but that was sort of all I had as a kind of guidance on that. And so that takes a number of years, I'd say, of that kind of attention to figure out what you're comfortable with. And at first I was very sort of. All the portcullises went down.

[Georgia Tennant]

I feel like when I met you, which was 2008.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

It. You were. There were a lot of walls.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Around you.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Which I recognized.

[David Tennant]

Yes. Because you. Your family will have had the same.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So I feel like. And I think actually, I mean, I've known you for 16 years now. Does that math work? Yeah. And the walls are definitely not as high.

[David Tennant]

No, no.

[Georgia Tennant]

They are in some areas. Some areas, they are higher, probably.

[David Tennant]

Right.

[Georgia Tennant]

But in terms of your ability to take back control and those moments when you lose it, I think you've got much better at it. When I first met you, there were moments of panic that. Were you in quite vulnerable places. I think one of our very, very earliest dates that we had ended with you on the floor rocking.

[David Tennant]

This doesn't make me sound very cool, does it?

[Georgia Tennant]

No, but. No, but you have talked about Matt before. This isn't a new story. But the sort of relevant part of the story is that early on, in those first sort of. Probably, actually until you left Doctor who, there were a couple of those moments where you were physically very sort of fetal and would sort of close down. You don't have that now. You have moments which would have gone there.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

You are able to use your big words now and clearly process that. Process that in a way that is. And I'm just wondering if that's because within your walls now, there are lots of people.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Whereas when I met you, you were. Because Billy had left Doctor who.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

You had new companions who you loved, but you were slightly mentoring, certainly sort of the younger ones that were on the job in a way that you had been mentored by Billy. You were the grown up then, so you had to sort of look after them. So when I met you, there wasn't really anyone in the circle. There were. There were. There were the Loos and the. The Aries and the Jenny fathers in the. Within that, interestingly, all women in your walls.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

But in terms of like your. The. The actual wall, that was probably you.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, but that's definitely in no small part because we've been together for 16 years and that gives one great comfort and strength. And, you know, that's. Yeah, that's been hugely beneficial, obviously, in a multitude of different ways. But. But it certainly calmed me down. Yeah, you've calmed me down, Georgia.

[Georgia Tennant]

Calmed you down.

[David Tennant]

You have.

[Georgia Tennant]

What makes you. What allows you to be vulnerable as a person? What is the thing that you. When you talked about feeling like you couldn't say I love you to your parents when they were leaving us. What. Because that. That's a sort of fear of being vulnerable.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And I think that's the thing that is. Has followed you throughout your life, is that sort of. That. That sensation scares you, so you don't like going there. What now allows you to be vulnerable? What allows you to go to that place to overcome?

[David Tennant]

I think it's knowing that you are loved, isn't it? I mean, I Think that's what it is. It's. And feeling that beyond doubt that it's not conditional. I mean, obviously it's conditional as long as one is, you know, kind and good to those people. But. But it. Yeah, it's knowing that you're enough. God, that sounds very. This isn't. This isn't. This isn't my usual type of conversation, but it is. It's. It's being in a situation where you feel, oh, it's okay, I'm enough. And therefore I can show the slightly vulnerable bits.

[Georgia Tennant]

Safe.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Safe and supported and held.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. So you and I meet.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

We get together. Like, not straight away.

[David Tennant]

No, no, not straight away.

[Georgia Tennant]

Nice sort of healthy period of time where we're mate.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And then we are very private.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because I think I. What I do is I go, oh, I see what this. This person's done. They built the wall. I'm gonna have to get in, but I'm gonna have to close up behind me.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because this is the same. This is the. The only way I'm gonna be able to get to know this person is if I jump in.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

To the poor Carlos.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Brick it up.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

And then spend 16 years pulling the bricks down and then eventually make him do a podcast where I interview him.

[David Tennant]

I know. I mean, where are we? Where have we ended up?

[Georgia Tennant]

I mean, it's mad, isn't it?

[David Tennant]

This isn't. I mean, nobody's gonna listen to this, so that's fine.

[Georgia Tennant]

But it will have gone this far in.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So then we have, like, a lot of kids. Well, I've already got a kid.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

That you like.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

You get. He likes you already because he's watched you on the telly.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's got your face on his pants.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So that was. It was an easy sell. Do you want a dad? How about this one? Yes, please. But you've got to. That. You've got to work at that. That's a. You know, that's not just a sort of here's a child. And.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Out of all of the sort of moments of parenting, is. Has that been the sort of most sort of challenging or is having a fresh baby being handed to you four other times and going do something with that, you know, without the sort of five years with the work that I put in first? Like, what. How. What is the difference between sort of parenting a fresh out the box one or one that has already got.

[David Tennant]

I mean, every moment of parenting is different to the moment that went before. So I And each of those moments requires you to just react to whatever is required. I don't, I don't know that I've got a kind of checklist of most difficult moments.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's not really most difficult, I suppose, I mean in terms of like the, you, the development of you as a parent, as you as a father. Because actually you had to be one before you were one.

[David Tennant]

Yes.

[Georgia Tennant]

In order to be with me.

[David Tennant]

I've always found though that easier because, because I take my lead from you, actually is what happened because I, I, I, you already had Ty. You were already parenting Ty. I, I sort of just joined in.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

And then we had a new baby and you'd already had a new baby.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, yeah. We went to parenting classes, didn't we?

[David Tennant]

We went to parenting classes. Absolutely. Yeah. But I was spared that absolutely terrifying thing of two people who've never done it before taking a little bundle home and being told to get on with it. I had the advantage of your experience, I think, which I, I've always very heavily relied on. So I suppose, I think that's probably made it easier for me rather than more difficult.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, I think that would be.

[David Tennant]

You make everything easier for me.

[Georgia Tennant]

Well, babe, rather than more difficult.

[David Tennant]

McDonald's meets the Minecraft universe with one of six collectibles and your choice of a Big Mac or 10 piece McNuggets with spicy nether Flame sauce. Now available with a Minecraft movie meal.

[Georgia Tennant]

I participate in McDonald's for a limited time, a Minecraft movie only in theaters. I think that's time for the final question from a past guest.

[David Tennant]

Okay, who's this one?

[Georgia Tennant]

This comes in a three part.

[David Tennant]

Wow.

[Georgia Tennant]

If you had to be stuck in a lift with someone for an entire night, who would you choose? Georgia part the second. The answer to the first one is obviously Georgia. What is it like to be married to someone funnier and smarter than you?

[David Tennant]

A delight, a relief.

[Georgia Tennant]

Part three. If you didn't answer Alan Cumming to part one, or indeed even if you did, could you now perform the first minute of the conversation between yourself and Alan as you discover that you're stuck in the lift, followed by the last thing you say to each other eight hours later, while still alone, just as you're about to be released?

[David Tennant]

Michael Sheen is a fucker.

[Georgia Tennant]

Then my next question was. Who asked you this question?

[David Tennant]

I'm not.

[Georgia Tennant]

Do you do a really good impression of Alan Cumming?

[David Tennant]

I'm not going to do it live because we might want to have him as a guest one day and we, you know, I Don't want him. Not that it's offensive. I actually think it's a.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's clearly. I mean, it's noteworthy. No, he's based an entire three part gag around it.

[David Tennant]

Michael makes me do it sometimes just to cheer him up.

[Georgia Tennant]

What else does he make you do just to cheer him up?

[David Tennant]

You don't want to know.

[Georgia Tennant]

Georgia, you've drawn attention to yourself in recent years speaking about causes that are close to your heart. I'm not gonna be specific about it because I don't want that horrible newspaper to be able to write any another little sort of nasty story about it. They know exactly who I'm talking about. When that happens, when it does happen and it has actually happened sort of by accident in moments of not really sort of thinking it through. Moments of passion, moments of enthusiasm, moments of feeling strongly about something.

[David Tennant]

Not because I've accidentally said something I didn't.

[Georgia Tennant]

No, no, no. But just in moments of not really thinking through the concept consequences of the thing that you're. Whilst you completely agree with what you're saying, you don't. Because you don't live in a world where social media exists.

[David Tennant]

I don't know.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's quite odd to live with someone who sometimes doesn't think through what I feel is an obvious consequence to doing something. Like, I can. I will. I will always, before I say anything, go, how is this going to be tweeted about? I'm not going to say it's a new name, it's stupid, or how will this be click baited for that Nasty.

[David Tennant]

Or twisted into a head.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah, exactly. What's. What's the sound bite they're going to take from this? Like I always think about that because that is the world that I live in.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

You do not have that.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

None of the these moments that have happened to you have come from very much just being in that moment and not thinking through the consequences. Not that the consequences are bad, but just in that sort of immediacy. And so when those moments happen, what is the. What is the feeling? What's that first thing that happens when I sort of go. Which is what happened in the most recent situation? You got a text from someone going, hope you're okay.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because you didn't know. You had no concert.

[David Tennant]

You had no idea the social media pile on.

[Georgia Tennant]

Social media pile on. That was happening. It didn't touch you?

[David Tennant]

No.

[Georgia Tennant]

None of it touched you?

[David Tennant]

No.

[Georgia Tennant]

They were screaming into the wind because it was nowhere near you. Yeah, I was aware of it. Some of it. Not actually as Much. Because I left Twitter for different reasons, but I left Twitter.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So I wasn't aware of it in the sort of way that it actually was playing out. When you get that text, what's that feeling?

[David Tennant]

Initially, it's bemusement.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

Because you go, why are people sending thoughts and prayers? What's happened now? Yeah. I mean, obviously, as you say, it's very liberating to not be in that.

[Georgia Tennant]

It's a magical power that you have.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

That is. I mean, I think you're. You're missing out partly because of that. Sometimes it could be a joyous place and of course, the community that can come from it and the support and there is a. There's a lot about. I mean, I'm only on Instagram now, but there's a lot about Instagram which is lovely. It's the people that are lovely. So I do feel that's. To not have. That is. You know.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

But the magical power that you have, where these people do not exist to you.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Because they can't. You can't hear them, is an amazing thing. And I have spent many, many years of going, you know, and I know that we. You know, you've had conversations with. With agents and publicity people where they've been like, you really need to get on social media. And people are always asking me, you know, will, will David ever get an Instagram account? And there's part of me that sort of thinks, oh, there might be something really sort of great. We can. And then you. Something like that happens and you go, oh, my gosh, this is the key to everything. You. Have you figured out how to exist in this world as somebody who has passions and wants to stand up for the right thing and for people who need you to stand up for them and to be a voice without having to have anyone scream at you as a result of it.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. I mean, I've never. Yes. I suppose there's a couple of times I've misspoken is not what it. Because I. Because I don't feel like I've ever said anything that I didn't mean, but I suppose there are times. Do you think if I could do that again, I could be more elegant about it? Which wouldn't allow certain people to make hay out of it. That's the only thing I ever regret.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

But I think if you're. If you're being, you know, if you're being. If you're seeing the right thing.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

I'm in a. You know, you're right. I'm In a. I'm in a slightly blessed position because I'm not on that. In that sort of social media swamp. I have a very good agent who, when those moments happen, just tells everyone to off. And I don't. You know, I don't have to.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

You know, I never feel any pressure to make a statement or counteract.

[Georgia Tennant]

And there is something glorious about being the middle person between seeing these people shouting and ranting and demanding apologies and asking you to speak and seeing you carrying on living your life as a really good person, and it doesn't touch you. And there's something wonderful about that. And I feel sort of empowered by that and also really jealous that you have that and that I. That I. Because I. Which is why I ended up leaving Twitter, because I felt like. Well, certainly that we all know that the algorithm got skewed to sort of make us see the things that we didn't want to see. And that's why it became a place where everyone shouts at each other, and shouting at each other doesn't lead to conversation, and nothing can ever be solved by not talking about things.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

So I had to leave because ultimately it wasn't good for me or anyone else. Like, it just became a place where no one listened anymore, which I don't think yet has happened to other platforms. And that's. Hopefully will stay. But there is something sort of joyous about seeing the one side of a world very clearly and very acutely, and then seeing the reality of how that's just. You're still. The way that Lou describes you having first met you, like you are. Goodness and kindness, and the fact that that isn't able to touch you and isn't able to change you and isn't able to make you feel less passionate, things that you feel passionate about is such a relief. And I'm so glad that. That you never succumbed to that, because it would have been so awful for that to have touched you.

[David Tennant]

And it would touch me. Yeah, it would touch me. I wouldn't react well to all that stuff at all. I don't like it. I don't like feeling.

[Georgia Tennant]

You don't like not to be.

[David Tennant]

I don't like not to be liked. No. It's true. And I find that. So. So it's probably. But it's. It's as much by luck than judgment. I mean, it's just because social media kind of started.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

In its modern form. When I was at my most vulnerable for feeling sort of invaded. It was just as I was becoming well known as the Doctor. The last thing I wanted was any.

[Georgia Tennant]

More access to you.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, exactly.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

So it. It's really by chance that that's how these things. That's when these things started growing.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

I was able to kind of go, I'm not going to go there. And that's just persisted. And now I don't feel like. Yes. I don't feel like it.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh, you're not like it would do.

[David Tennant]

Me any good at all. I think it would. I think I'd spend a long time worrying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because actually, in real life, you get very little of that.

[Georgia Tennant]

Oh. Because real people aren't like that. That's the thing. In real life, people aren't like that. They might have thoughts that are.

[David Tennant]

Yeah. But they also. They don't have the most people who have the courage to be incredibly vicious.

[Georgia Tennant]

Not in real life.

[David Tennant]

And don't do it in real life. Yeah. So they either keep quiet or people that genuinely lovely and generous and, you know. And also, you know, I'm in a very privileged position, so I can take the odd.

[Georgia Tennant]

Exactly.

[David Tennant]

Criticism from someone else in a very privileged position.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I'll have to tell you something funny that someone said. We'll have a little giggle.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Okay. So coming to the end of our podcast now. You're 53 years old.

[David Tennant]

Am I really?

[Georgia Tennant]

Anyway. And I did have to double check that to Google it. And also, I would get it wrong because I do think you're 55. And then you remind me that that's Michael Sheen.

[David Tennant]

Yeah, It's Michael Sheen. Yeah. So easy to mix us up.

[Georgia Tennant]

You're not. It's not. It's not the. It's not the end yet. You've still got probably a couple more of things to add to the obituary.

[David Tennant]

But.

[Georgia Tennant]

But.

[David Tennant]

Wow. It's not the end yet. But.

[Georgia Tennant]

There is a but. But as you start to. I've put power down.

[David Tennant]

Wow.

[Georgia Tennant]

As you start to power gown, the fear is for me.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

I fear this for myself, but I fear it for you because you're going to get that before me. That you start to give up and you will start to disengage. What do you do to check yourself?

[David Tennant]

Do you mean from the world?

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

Or from professionally?

[Georgia Tennant]

No, I don't. I'm not talking about professional. I'm talking about you as a human being in a world that needs people like you. The goodness, the golden. How are you gonna keep checking yourself? How are you gonna make sure that you're keeping evolving as a human and making sure that that you're standing up for the right things.

[David Tennant]

You're challenging me here rather than looking for.

[Georgia Tennant]

I want it on record.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

That's what I want.

[David Tennant]

I don't know. It's hard, isn't it?

[Georgia Tennant]

It's really hard because it happens to people. And you're. You've managed to be the same person at 17 as you are now. The description of you at 17 is exactly the description now that someone would. She was unable to determine whether she was talking about you then or now because you are the same person. How are you going to make sure that you are still this person? Because you are actually a very. Like. Obviously to us you're important because you're ours, but like, you also slightly belong to other people in. In the world and you are important to those people and you have a responsibility as a sort of progressive human being to maintain that. And as you start to power down.

[David Tennant]

I can feel it happening.

[Georgia Tennant]

How are you gonna check yourself?

[David Tennant]

Well, I'm sure you'll help.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

I would hope we would help each other.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

I suppose we all just have to keep challenging ourselves to be the best versions of ourselves we can be, don't we? I mean, of course, one person's progressive, positive idea is another person's sacrilege, isn't it?

[Georgia Tennant]

It.

[David Tennant]

So you just have to be honest about keeping examining what you believe to be true and being true to it. And that means sometimes admitting that you might be not quite understanding the way the world might be moving. And that gets harder as you get older because you feel less powerful, more disenfranchised. The youth is coming to get you and you have to keep looking for that to be a positive than something that's threatening.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah. Because the moment you feel under attack.

[David Tennant]

Yeah.

[Georgia Tennant]

Is the moment that the portcullis will come back up again.

[David Tennant]

Exactly. Yeah. And especially that is harder if you get. If you're starting to feel vulnerable because you're not as powerful as a human as you once were. I suppose.

[Georgia Tennant]

Yeah.

[David Tennant]

So I hope that's something we can all just keep challenging ourselves with, because the world will keep changing and will keep altering and there will keep being new subsets of minorities that get. That become the whipping boy or the scapegoat for whichever angry politician or. Or there's always someone else in the firing line who's weaker than the person that's shooting at them. And that's what you've got to keep sniffing out.

[Georgia Tennant]

I think you're not standing close enough if you're not getting hit by the debris there you go, yeah, this is my last question. What this year would you like for Christmas?

[David Tennant]

Is that how you're asking this question? I'd like a surprisingly. I'd like a surprisingly tolerant world.

[Georgia Tennant]

I thought you were going to say a surprisingly tolerant wife. I can give you one of those things. Thanks for. I'm not telling you. Thanks for coming on my podcast, David.

[David Tennant]

Oh, thanks. You've been so nice to me. I found it a bit overwhelming.

[Georgia Tennant]

Basically, I let the bar be really, really low to begin with and it's sort of like a marriage.

[David Tennant]

I'm not really prepping for this. I'm just sort of. And you've gone off and spoken to all our mates.

[Georgia Tennant]

Don't underestimate me. That's the.

[David Tennant]

I have never underestimated you as well, you know. Thank goodness.

[Georgia Tennant]

Thanks for coming on the podcast, David.

[David Tennant]

Thanks, baby. David Tennant does a podcast with is a Sony Music Entertainment original and no Mystery production produced by Matt Smith. The assistant producer was Rani Prescott. The sound engineer was Josh Gibbs. The executive producers are Alex Lawless, Sarah Camlett and Georgia Tenn.