Can You Spell Shenis? with TS Madison

Summary

Dear Chelsea Podcast Summary

Episode: "Can You Spell Shenis?" with TS Madison

Release Date: June 25, 2026
Host: Chelsea Handler
Co-host: Katherine Law
Guest: TS Madison
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Dear Chelsea features a candid, hilarious, and heartfelt conversation between Chelsea Handler, her co-host Katherine Law, and trailblazing media mogul and trans icon TS Madison. The discussion covers Madison’s early life, journey with gender identity, sex work, industry success, body politics, and her responsibility as a voice for the trans community. The episode is marked by unfiltered humor, incisive reflections, and open dialogue about gender, sex, freedom, and being unapologetically oneself.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Catching Up: In-Laws, Nose Rings, Jury Duty (04:11–06:07)

• Katherine recounts taking her almost-70-year-old mother-in-law to get a nose ring, celebrating late-life autonomy and friendship.
• The panel jokes about jury duty and being impartial in indecent exposure cases.

2. Introducing TS Madison (06:07–07:38)

• Chelsea introduces TS Madison as a media mogul, actress, producer, LGBTQ activist, and judge on RuPaul’s Drag Race.
• The group’s tone is playful and irreverent, with Madison quipping, “I like to get ravished.” (07:38, TS Madison)

3. Recent Triumphs & Owning the Past (07:55–09:02)

• TS Madison is congratulated for winning Ms. Major’s Pioneer of the Year Award and transforming her first home into a reentry program for Black trans women and former sex workers.
• She discusses embracing her past as a sex worker, underscoring the value of transparency:

  “Because the moment you start shying away from your past, that’s when people are like, oh. Oh, I got her. Yeah. Yeah, you sucked the dick on the corner. Remember you did that? Yeah, I wrote about it in a book.” (08:29, TS Madison)

4. Gender Awakening & Early Influences (09:06–17:09)

• Madison shares that viewing The Crying Game (1992) and seeing RuPaul on TV were pivotal in her self-understanding:

  “I knew that RuPaul put it on, took it off. I couldn’t take me off... Titties at the top, dick at the bottom. I was like, oh, that’s me.” (09:06–09:56, TS Madison)

• She describes growing up in the church, leading her own mother to Christ at seven, and experiencing early confusion about sexuality and gender.

5. Transition Journey & Community Pressure (17:09–19:21)

• Madison recounts the pressure within the trans community to conform to surgery norms:

  “In the trans world, you got to be a real woman... too many rules and regulations. I want to live on my own terms. I don’t want to have to, you know, submit...” (18:11, TS Madison)

• She reflects on saving money as a teen for surgery but choosing self-determination.

6. Sex, Body, and Rejecting Norms (19:21–21:15, 40:03–43:39)

• Madison unapologetically claims her identity as a “well-endowed girl” and affection for her body:

  “I didn’t want to get rid of my motherfucking dick. I didn’t want to do it.” (19:17, TS Madison) “I am fine with what’s attracted to me… I call it a ‘sheenis’ – S H E I N S.” (43:29–43:39, TS Madison)

7. Public Perception, Sex Work, and Vulnerability (29:30–36:31)

• Madison discusses her years in the adult film industry, making her own lane as a Black trans performer entrepreneur:

  “I made sure that I capitalized off of me being voluptuous and hood and business savvy... I made all the money.” (31:41–32:09, TS Madison)

• She recalls unexpected public recognition and grapples with the complex legacy of her sex work.

8. Gender, Relationships & Sex Positivity (37:13–40:16)

• Madison is open about sexual preferences and the nuances ("freak-offs" versus relationships).

  “For my freak offs, I’m open. If I’m a mattress, I will flip over. I’m a pancake. Pancake me.” (37:49, TS Madison)

9. Free Expression, Self-Love & The Politics of Identity (41:06–50:30)

• Madison powerfully discusses completeness and refusing to let others define her womanhood:

  “You’re not going to tell me that I need to have this in order to… No, I don’t... I complete me.” (41:18, TS Madison)

• She links her scars—literal and figurative—to reminders of authenticity:

  “Look at your scars as reminders... so that you don’t scar yourself again.” (48:13, TS Madison)

• Madison talks about being featured on Beyoncé’s “Cozy,” feeling seen in art, and the intersections of being Black and trans.

10. Advice from RuPaul & Embracing Small Opportunities (50:35–51:01)

• RuPaul’s key advice:

  “Don’t you ever be too big for the small things, because the small things will get you through when the big things aren’t calling.” (50:35–51:01, RuPaul via TS Madison)

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Listener Advice Segment

Caller 1: Selah Bay – Dating Younger Men (60:38–67:41)

• Dilemma: Breaking the pattern of dating older, wealthy men; wants to explore dating a younger, less established man.
• Panel advice:
  • Chelsea: “Stop looking at the outcome... Don’t look at every person as a potential partner for life. Look at them as an experience...” (62:43, Chelsea Handler)
  • TS Madison: “Always fuck young, date rich… And always keep you an investment account on the side.” (62:57–63:48, TS Madison)
  • Katherine: Emphasizes financial savvy and encourages fun.
  • Notable moment: Jokes about polyamory and the importance of honesty in dating.

Caller 2: Jessica – Navigating Child-Free Dating After Sterilization (68:07–74:36)

• Problem: Finding men who truly want a child-free life after her sterilization procedure.
• Chelsea: Encourages being explicit and direct in dating profiles and conversations, “Don’t worry about being nice... you just have to be direct with people and you have to be overly direct because this is your future.” (73:25, Chelsea Handler)
• TS Madison: Suggests letting men reveal themselves instead of presenting information up front:

  “Men send the representative first... Let them talk, let them explain.” (71:03, TS Madison)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Being Unapologetically Authentic:

  “I don't want to adhere to any rules and regulations. I had to do it as a kid... I just want to be free.” (40:03, TS Madison)

• On Language and Media:

  “You change the perception of censorship for me because I was like, well, Chelsea is... she says it. I will be sitting there like, say this, say that, say that.” (52:55, TS Madison to Chelsea)

• On Intersectionality:

  “I can’t separate the two, because sometimes in my community, in the Black community, it’s like—you’re not Black enough because you’re trans now, or you’re not really Black because you’re gay. And it’s like, what the fuck? I’m Black. I’m Black and trans at the same time.” (49:08, TS Madison)

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Highlighted Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------| | 04:11–06:07 | Catching up – family & life anecdotes | | 06:07–07:38 | TS Madison introduction | | 09:06–17:09 | Early life, representation, transition | | 19:21–21:15 | Gender norms, pressure, sex-positive candor | | 29:30–36:31 | Sex work, public perception | | 37:13–40:16 | Sex, relationships, preferences | | 41:06–43:39 | Freedom, completeness, the “sheenis” term | | 48:13–50:30 | Scars as reminders; being featured on “Cozy” | | 50:35–51:01 | RuPaul’s advice | | 60:38–67:41 | Advice to Selah Bay – dating younger men | | 68:07–74:36 | Advice to Jessica – child-free dating |

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Tone & Style

The episode is frank, uncensored, and infused with humor and warmth. Chelsea and Madison are both unfiltered, using explicit language to normalize conversations about sex, gender, trauma, and identity. There is a palpable mutual respect and genuine curiosity between host and guest.

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Closing

TS Madison promotes her podcast tour (Outlaws) and other projects, while expressing gratitude for Chelsea’s example in media. The episode ends with laughter, camaraderie, and encouragement for listeners to be direct, authentic, and unafraid in love and self-acceptance.

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Recommended For:

• Listeners interested in LGBTQ perspectives, especially on gender, identity, and self-acceptance
• Fans of unfiltered, sex-positive discussions
• Those seeking honest advice on love and relationships
• Anyone curious about breaking societal rules and finding freedom in authenticity

Transcript

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Hi.

[Jana Kramer]

Hi.

[Chelsea Handler]

How's it going?

[Katherine Law]

Oh, it's going great, Chelsea. My in laws were here this last weekend.

[Chelsea Handler]

How did that work out? I know that. How did your jury duty work out, Brad?

[TS Madison]

It was an adventure.

[Chelsea Handler]

Really?

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Did you solve a murder?

[TS Madison]

No, I didn't.

[Chelsea Handler]

I.

[TS Madison]

It was an indecent exposure case. Oh. Yeah. And the guy was pretty creepy, so I got myself excused.

[Chelsea Handler]

You did?

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Yeah, I did.

[Katherine Law]

Yeah, he did. Basically he told them, like, I can't be impartial. Well, also because our brother in law is a prosecutor, for example. Exactly that type of person.

[Chelsea Handler]

But why couldn't you. Impartial. Who's gonna be impartial about like indecent exposure?

[Katherine Law]

Fair, fair.

[Chelsea Handler]

Who's impartial about that?

[Katherine Law]

And I thought it was so interesting because Brad said, is there a group

[Chelsea Handler]

of people that want that to happen?

[TS Madison]

No.

[Katherine Law]

But I guess it Was like a misdemeanor and the guy was already in a jumpsuit. So Brad said because of our brother in law, he already knew that like he was a repeat offender. So it's like, you know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, you knew. Inside scoop.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, the inside scoop.

[Chelsea Handler]

I see, I see, I see.

[Katherine Law]

Yeah, I think the, the lawyers were glad to get rid of him.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know, man.

[TS Madison]

Even the defense attorn pretty creepy. So I just kind of made it clear that I wasn't going to be very useful as a juror. And I just wanted to be here when my family got here.

[Katherine Law]

This was such a crazy thing. So the last day we had kind of a free day and we had my little 15 year old niece and my mother in law is there and she was like, you know, I've always loved the look of a nose ring. Like a little sparkle, a little something. And she's got like cute little petite features. And we were like, girl, you got one life to live. Like, let's do this if you really want one. She was like, really? So she's like 70 years old? Almost 70 years. Almost 70 years old. And we took her to get a nose ring. A nose ring. And it looks fabulous on her. And she was like, I never had girlfriends to like support me in doing something like this. I'm so excited. So it was a very exciting and thrilling time.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, that is just adorable. Nose rings for everyone. I wouldn't mind a nose ring, although I don't want to get my nose pierced. Yeah, I don't want to go through the pain of it.

[Katherine Law]

You just get a fakie and just get a little. Just get a little clip.

[Chelsea Handler]

Our guest today is very entertaining. She is a media mogul, actress, producer, entrepreneur, and one of the most visible and influential transgender voices in entertainment. You can find her on her podcast, it's called Outlaws, or as a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. Please welcome TS Madison.

[TS Madison]

My manager has a child. Like, she has.

[Katherine Law]

Really?

[TS Madison]

She got. She has a black one and a white one. She. Okay. Do you do this, Chelsea? Do you. Do you wipe his ass?

[Chelsea Handler]

No, I don't think I've ever wiped anyone's ass but my own.

[TS Madison]

Oh, we gonna have a.

[Chelsea Handler]

Can we, I wonder.

[Katherine Law]

Yeah, of course.

[Chelsea Handler]

What do you mean? This is America in 2026. All rules have gone out the window.

[TS Madison]

Oh, yes, we can.

[Chelsea Handler]

Look what's happening in this world. Yeah, cursing. That's the least of anybody's rules.

[TS Madison]

Yes, girl. I want to talk about the roast. How you pulled them together at that

[Chelsea Handler]

roast let's do it. Let's do it. We'll do it. All you had letting. Let's wait.

[Jana Kramer]

Just.

[Chelsea Handler]

Let's talk about it. Okay, no problem.

[Katherine Law]

Brady Rollins.

[Chelsea Handler]

Are we good? We're good. Oh, TS Madison is in the house. Uhoh.

[TS Madison]

Come get me. And get my phone over there because I want to talk.

[Katherine Law]

I'm Catherine. We didn't officially meet.

[Chelsea Handler]

Other.

[Katherine Law]

I'm Katherine.

[TS Madison]

Catherine. Yeah, my Chancellor. Remember you knew me. Catherine Chancellor.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm Chancellor. Catherine Chancellor, Chancellor. And she's Catherine.

[TS Madison]

Catherine Chandler, Chancellor.

[Chelsea Handler]

Chelsea. Catherine. And T.S. madison.

[TS Madison]

And T.S. madison, honey.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, baby.

[TS Madison]

Yes, yes. So. Oh my God, I'm excited.

[Chelsea Handler]

Welcome. You look ravishing.

[TS Madison]

Well, I like to get ravished.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, you're very voluptuous and I like your body type. And guess what? We're allowed to say shit like that. Good. Because all the rules are out the.

[TS Madison]

Out the window. You see, this motherfucker is really up here changing the constitution, doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's right.

[TS Madison]

So then we want to do what we want to do.

[Chelsea Handler]

Exactly, exactly.

[TS Madison]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

First of all, you have some updates that I'd like to announce to our audience that are very exciting. This month you received the Ms. Major's Pioneer of the Year Award at the BET Black and iconic soiree named for legendary trans activist Ms. Major Griffin Gracie. So congratulations on that award.

[Jana Kramer]

Thank you.

[TS Madison]

Thank you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Much well deserved.

[TS Madison]

Thank you.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then you also took the first homes you ever purchased in Atlanta and transformed it into the TS Madison starter house, which is a safe re entry housing program for formerly incarcerated black trans

[TS Madison]

women and ex prostitutes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Up top, sister.

[TS Madison]

Ex prostitutes. Because you got to understand, like, I was that, like. Because with all these accolades and stuff that you may read about me, I never shy away from my past. Because the moment you start shying away from your past, that's when people are like, oh. Oh, I got her. Yeah. Yeah, you sucked the dick on the corner. Remember you did that? Yeah, I wrote about it in a book.

[Chelsea Handler]

Exactly, exactly.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, I did.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's like me, I announce all my shit. So when. When they try to come at me and it's like, hey, buddy, I already talked about this in the New York Times, you fucking loser.

[TS Madison]

Yeah. Motherfucking asshole bitch. Yeah, I did. I did it. So what are we doing now?

[Chelsea Handler]

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your past.

[Jana Kramer]

Let's talk about.

[Chelsea Handler]

Let's start with your childhood.

[TS Madison]

Okay?

[Chelsea Handler]

I want to know when you. What age were you, when you saw someone that represented what you thought that

[TS Madison]

you could be I am 40. I'll be 49 in October. I remember in 1992, I saw the Crying Game. Deal. Remember Deal? The character deal. Yeah, of course. So it was the Crying Game. And it's when I first figured out, because I had saw RuPaul. Yeah, you know, RuPaul is, you know, which, which I'm a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. But I saw RuPaul and I, I knew that RuPaul put it on, took it off. I couldn't take me off, you know what I'm saying? And so I saw the Crying Game and like, the biggest thing in that movie was the reveal. Titties at the top, dick at the bottom. I was like, oh, that's me.

[Chelsea Handler]

Really?

[TS Madison]

Because I don't. Here's the thing. I am. I. The only time that I really ever struggle with wanting to have a sex change operation was during my teenage years when I was peer pressured into it by other girls around is like, well, the only way that you're going to be, like a real woman is if you get your dick cut off. Like, if you got to be. So, you know, I was pressured back then because I started transitioning when I was about 17 years old. And so, you know, I started transitioning here in the mind. I grew up in a church, and so, you know, growing up in a church, you know, everything, everything's going to hell. Seven years old, I found Christ with my mom. I got baptized.

[Chelsea Handler]

Where was he?

[TS Madison]

Oh, I found Christ in the pulpit of the church. And the guy was saying, if you come on, bring your soul out. So I led my mom to Christ.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, you led her to Christ? She didn't lead you to Christ?

[TS Madison]

No, she didn't lead me. I led her to Christ. And then, then, then after me leading her to Christ, we. After that. Okay, so I got baptized. First time I got baptized, girl, like right after the baptism, I had a hard penis in the back seven. There's other men back there. We all had just got baptized. And so I was like, well, why the do I have a hard dick right now? Wasn't that supposed. Wasn't I supposed to be watching?

[Chelsea Handler]

You had the hard penis or you felt another person's heart?

[TS Madison]

No, I had the heart penis.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, you had the heart?

[TS Madison]

I got an erection.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, you had an interaction at the

[TS Madison]

baptism afterwards, like after, like after I was baptized and they took us in the back back there. Oh, this is going to be some good stuff for you. After they took us in the back and like, we, you know, we change robes because they put us in this white robes, and then they dip you in the water and you go to bed. And then I just, like, all the men were back there getting naked, and I was like, my penis got erect. But I was seven, okay, so maybe that was. But I never forgot that my dick got hard. Okay. And so then later on.

[Chelsea Handler]

Was that the first time you ever experienced an erection?

[TS Madison]

You know what? Come to think about it, probably. Probably. Wow. Nobody ever asked me that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I wonder how many people did experience their first erection during a baptism. Maybe there's more than just you.

[TS Madison]

Maybe.

[Chelsea Handler]

Usually, like, maybe that's a thing that's kind of like, you know, or maybe

[TS Madison]

it was because I was in a room full of dicks. I don't know.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's what I mean. You're with other men, right? And then you have your peanuts. I don't know.

[TS Madison]

Maybe you're nobody, you know? Nobody ever asked me that. Well, it's crazy. That's making me think, like.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's making me think, too.

[Jana Kramer]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

Like, what the.

[Chelsea Handler]

We're all thinking.

[TS Madison]

So after that, I, I, I, you know, I. Growing up, going to church and stuff, whatever, you know, you hearing about homosexuality is a sin, being gay is this, and you're going to hell. So, of course it's, it's you, you, you suppress whatever feelings and things that you have, you know, about, you know, what you're attracted to, and then you like. Well, I want to like girls, but I don't think girls, you know, are like, that doesn't make my. Me have an erection. You know, I'm saying, I, I've always found women to be extremely beautiful. Yeah, of course.

[Chelsea Handler]

Because you wanted to be. Yeah, Right.

[TS Madison]

So, you know, so it's like, I like to look at women, and I like the way, you know, and, and being raised by a woman and. But I just didn't want to have sex with a woman. So. Fast forward. Like, 14, I heard a voice. I was watching RuPaul on TV, and I heard a voice say, that's going to be your friend, and y' all are going to work together. 14. I'm 49. That was 14 years old. I heard that. And then, you know, now I'm a judge on Drag Race, but I'm jumping around because you got me excited.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

You know, but me thinking, like, I had a connection to something. I don't know what it was. I always been connected to hearing a voice or feeling emotion or something, but it never was an attraction to sexually attracted to women. When I turned 17, I had an experience to where I met a. Another trans woman that became my gay mama. And when I met her, I worked at Long John Silver's.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know it, I know it well.

[TS Madison]

Two piece fishing more. So it was Long John Silver and she came through Long John Silver's and like I looked out the window and we had been hearing about her for the longest. She used to do hair in our neighborhood, like, you know. And I looked out the window and she was there. And I knew it wasn't a woman, but it wasn't a man. It was something. And so the only encounter that I had ever seen prior to that was in 92 was watching the crying Game. So it's just like these are, these pieces started to connect. And so she was looking at me in the drive through window and she was like, I remember that coming out. Oh, she said, what's your name? And I was like, timothy. And she was like, how much does my. How much was the order? I can't remember how much a two piece fishing more was back in 90, whatever. But I rang it up and she. And I passed her food at the window and she reached and she was like. And she grabbed my arms and stuff like that with her long nails and claws. And I just, I felt like, what happened? Because then I just feel like it was a transfer of something.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Transference of energy.

[TS Madison]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Of possibility.

[TS Madison]

Yeah. And so it was so crazy to me because, you know, it was like one of those experiences of like so much shit was just crashing in, in my brain. And I'm like, well, girl, what is this? What is. And I remember my manager coming back there saying, you know, that's a man, that's a man. But I'm like, I know it's not a man, it's not a man, but it's not a female. But I think that's kind of like me, you know? Yeah, I was really problematic in school. I'm assuming now that I'm older that it was because I was battling all the things that I was taught and all the ideas that was placed in me and, you know, all this. And I remember meeting another queer kid in school that was androgynous, I would say. And I remember her, they, them, she, all of that, asking me, why do you eat like a man? You're supposed to eat like this like a girl. You're a girl. I was like, I'm not no fucking girl, you know. And she got killed during our spring break and I cried like a kid because I was like, that Was like my first time, like really just interacting outside of me working over here. The Crying Game, you know, it was just interacting with something else outside of church.

[Chelsea Handler]

Who do we know who killed her?

[TS Madison]

Yeah, some guys killed her.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, God.

[TS Madison]

Sometimes Chelsea, when I think about it, you know, and I think about where I am in life, I was like, well, what, what would have happened if she would have survived, like, to see the world change and then me being the change maker in the world and me actually embracing exactly, you know, who I am and stuff like that. Like, I wonder what she. Or when could she see me, you know, I think about it sometimes. I think about it like it weighs on my heart heavy at times because, you know, I was a kid and, and I, I saw stuff in images and, and freedom. I saw what freedom looked like. So I met other trans women who started telling me like, in order for me to be like a real woman, you know, you got to get a pussy. You gotta, you have to have a pussy and all this stuff. And I was like, I don't want a pussy. I don't want to have a pussy. I'm already, I'm, I'm. It's already enough. Like, in the straight world you gotta have a lot of women to be a man. In the trans world, you got to be a real woman. You gotta have a. It's just like too many rules and regulations. I want to live on my own terms. I don't. I want to be who I am on my own terms. I don't want to have to, you know, submit. Over here in the rain, in the, in the straight world of, of having to, you know, you know, just look away, be away, build away, shape away, muscle away, you know, and then over here in this world, you gotta be this and that. It's like, girl, I didn't get under the rainbow to follow these rules. You know what I'm saying? And so I saved up money and I was really in the process of like, all right, well, in order for me to be a real woman, I gotta go get a. So I don't, you know, pussies back then were like $50,000, 50, 60,000. I put, like, if you wanted a real good, you had to go to Thailand or some land or. And like, I have a, I'm a will endowed girl, so I have a lot of dick.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, okay.

[TS Madison]

And I didn't want to get rid of my motherfucking dick. I didn't want to do it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I like this. I like this. I like everything you're saying. Seriously. Why are there rules to being a trans woman? That's not a rule.

[TS Madison]

Why are there rules to being a human?

[Chelsea Handler]

Exactly.

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[TS Madison]

it I didn't want because of course I'm gonna always color outside of the lines. And you know, it's gotten me in a lot of trouble. A lot of my opinions have, have got me in a lot of social trouble, you know, because, you know, I just, I've color outside of the lines.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like what, what? Can you think of something that's gotten you into trouble recently?

[TS Madison]

Listen, I just. Reese, just recently and then I want to tell you about my sex change story.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[TS Madison]

Just recently I made a statement about D.L.

[Chelsea Handler]

hughley.

[TS Madison]

I cussed that. I cussed his ass.

[Chelsea Handler]

What happened with DL?

[TS Madison]

Well, because it was some that happened with me and Jess. Hilarious. And because there was this issue around trans women being trying to erase CIS women and all of this type of who has control over periods of womanhood. And that was a. Another trans woman that, you know, made the comment and I was like, well, of course females have control over womanhood. They're females like what the fuck? Like we don't. Like, I don't give a damn how altered and how gorgeous and how we're not females. We could be women, but we're not females, so we don't have periods. Now, the way that they twisted my words was.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

You know, and, like, DL Made this statement, and he said, well, TS Madison. And it was on the radio saying this, and I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't you know that you ain't supposed to. Don't. We. Don't you know that we don't all look like you black? You should know how it feels that we don't all look alike.

[Jana Kramer]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

You know, don't. Don't misconstrue me. And don't say, like, that I said that. When. That's not what I said. You know, don't take my words and take the. Another person's words, because, like, all trans, like, she's me, and that girl don't even look alike. Like.

[Jana Kramer]

Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

But a lot of straight people or CIS people, I should say, don't even think beyond. You know, like, they can't imagine that you would be trans and not have bottom surgery or sexual.

[TS Madison]

But, Chelsea, my problem with DL was like, sir, you're black. Don't act like that. People don't think that all us black folks look alike. So you should know when I'm telling you or when I'm. When I'm correcting you saying, hey, I didn't say that. Blossom said that. Yes, she's trans, but we just. Because we trans and the same. I didn't say that. What I said was. Jess. Hilarious. Should have said female instead of woman because I understood her plight. No, we are trans women. We're not female. So, yes, females do have control over the womanhood aspect of that when it comes to periods, because that's something that we will never experience. You and I will have shared experience. We'll never have the same lived experience.

[Chelsea Handler]

Do you tr. Well, but that's true for everybody, regardless of, you know, our sex or, you know. But do some trans women consider themselves to be female?

[Katherine Law]

Don't.

[Chelsea Handler]

Isn't that true for some trans women?

[TS Madison]

I do believe that there are. There are. Because we're not a monolith. And so there are trans women that consider themselves female. I'm not one of those trans.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay?

[TS Madison]

I consider myself a trans woman. Like, I live 17 years of my life, 18 years of my life as a butch queen, a gay boy, but I still was a woman on the inside. So I don't consider myself a trans

[Chelsea Handler]

woman packing some serious heat.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, I was always. Still got it, honey. You know, and so in that, I was pressured to get a sex change, even in that. And I'm like, girl, you know, I didn't want it. So I have a. I met a Puerto Rican Rick. And, you know, that's my. One of my. I met a Puerto Rican guy one night after the club. And, you know, to make the long story short, you know, he was. He wanted me to get totally naked. And so I didn't tell him at the time that I was. Had a dick, you know, but he was like,

[Jana Kramer]

you.

[TS Madison]

You early in your transition, girl, I know you got a dick, but, you know, I'm gonna play stupid with you like a lot of men do, so. So trans girls out there, stop playing those games. There are a lot of men that play stupid with you, girl. They know you have or have had a dick. But anyway, so he was like, get naked. So when I got all the way naked, and I had my hands in the front of my private. Like that, and he was saying, like, you know, move your hand. Let me see. So I moved my hand, and it flopped. And he was like, oh, my God, you're so beautiful. After that, like, after our sexual experience, I never thought about having another sex change until recently. Until recently when Trump got in office, and I said, maybe I might need to do this to protect myself from whatever's coming, maybe I might need to do. Because I can. I can. I can pass. And I was like, well, maybe I could just. But then I'm like, well, bitch, you're TS Madison. So even if you got a pussy, they know you didn't have one before if somebody spots you. So, you know, like, these were thoughts that are going through my head, but. But I don't have those thoughts.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right. You feel settled?

[TS Madison]

I'm good.

[Chelsea Handler]

You're good. And you're gonna keep your penis.

[TS Madison]

Oh, I'm keeping it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, Good for you.

[TS Madison]

I made up my mind.

[Chelsea Handler]

Up top on your penis. Way to go.

[TS Madison]

Keeping my baby.

[Chelsea Handler]

What is. Okay, so there's a phrase for men. We were talking about this.

[TS Madison]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Only date. Are.

[Jana Kramer]

There.

[Chelsea Handler]

Is.

[Katherine Law]

There's a thing like gay men, and there's straight men, but is there a

[Chelsea Handler]

word for men who only date trans women? Yeah, because. But is then. Is that then a fetish if you're, like, a chaser? Well.

[TS Madison]

Well, Dylan Mulvaney was.

[Katherine Law]

Chaser.

[Chelsea Handler]

Chaser.

[Katherine Law]

Yep.

[TS Madison]

We call them in our community, we. We do call them training chasers, but which we just. We can't really use the word but you know that. I'm not offended by the word but. But just because I'm not offended doesn't mean that somebody else is not offended. So let me retract that because TS Madison, you have a responsibility to know that this is a large platform. You got to behave. We call them the T word chasers. But there is a term, a new term that these, the girls have come up with that describe men that have an attraction to trans women only.

[Chelsea Handler]

And is.

[TS Madison]

Do you like that at this big age? I like a man that's attracted to me.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I find that people who are only attracted to one very specific type of person to be that. I find that always to be a little bit off putting. It's like women who only date a certain type of man, or men who only date a certain type of woman,

[Katherine Law]

or like they're seeking the type and not the person.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah.

[TS Madison]

You know, and so it feels crazy, especially being that I am a well endowed girl. There are men. Because I. I did get into the porn industry and like that. And I did. Oh God, I did so much.

[Chelsea Handler]

You did a lot of sex work, right?

[TS Madison]

I did, I did.

[Chelsea Handler]

How long did you do that for?

[TS Madison]

A decade and a half.

[Chelsea Handler]

What was your experience and what is your takeaway now that you're so far out of it?

[TS Madison]

My experience was I reshaped culture with it because I'm a black girl. That was. That cornered the market. And during the time of my. When I emerged, I emerged on the scene when there was. There was like a niche market. And I made sure that I capitalized off of me being voluptuous and hood and business savvy all wrapped in the same cloth and then told the other big name companies like who I'm friends with now. So if y' all watch this, we're friends like Groovy and Bob's T girls like a lot of these T girl places. I told them they couldn't have me. You can't have me, bitch. Because I'm T.S. madison. I'm bigdigbish.com. you can't have me. You can't have me. Because I understand that my black skin is powerful. I understand that my BBC is powerful and I understand that I know how to control that without having a machine control me. So I took ownership of that and I made all the money without I removed the middleman. I made all the money.

[Chelsea Handler]

Nice entrepreneur.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, yeah. And I didn't need them to do any of the things. And so you know what I did though was I did lots of videos, lots of run she like a lot of. Lots of little things. That changed the way men saw trans women. There is a lot of stuff that I. I don't regret it. I. Or maybe I do. Do I?

[Katherine Law]

I don't know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Let's find out.

[TS Madison]

When I'm approached by men now, a lot of them be like, oh, my God, I wanted to fuck you since I was 15. Or like, I've been watching you since I was 14, 15, 16. Like, you were my first trans I ever saw. I was like, oh, Or. Or we'll be out somewhere. And then women, women, women, like, you got a big dick. I seen it. I was like, girl, like, we were at the Emmys, and this lady ran me down outside, and she was a homeless lady, and she ran me down, and she's like, tst, I want to take a picture.

[Chelsea Handler]

Would you.

[TS Madison]

Can I take a picture? I was like, yeah, come on. So I'm hugging her. And she was like, I've been. I'm a big fan of yours. And I. When people send me that, I don't know what era they're.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

I don't know what error. But I started to get nervous, and she was like, girl, you got a big dick. I said, oh, Jesus Christ, you're from that era. You're from that era. Okay. She says, but I've been watching so long. She says, I love the way that you've. Just Your trajectory. I just love it. But you still got that big old dick, don't you? And I'm like, girl, why are you asking me to set the Emmys? The fucking Emmys. And then I meet people. Jerry o' Connell is my good friend.

[Chelsea Handler]

I love Jerry.

[TS Madison]

That's. That's my. I love J.

[Chelsea Handler]

He's a real hot mess.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, he is.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I like that.

[TS Madison]

I love Jerry. And so Jerry and I were. We did an episode of Let Me Pick youk Up on the what that World of Wonder created for me. And we were in the car, and I was saying all kind of crazy to Jerry or whatever, and I said, jerry, where's the first time that you saw me? And it was so funny. He said, I found you online. I never. I did.

[Chelsea Handler]

I didn't.

[Katherine Law]

End of sentence.

[TS Madison]

Listen, I didn't. I didn't even dig. I was just, oh, I didn't dig for nothing or whatever. And I was like. Because, you know, he was. He's married to Rebecca. And I was like, so. Well, what did. Because we worked. Jerry, myself, and Rebecca worked on a show called Gay for play with RuPaul, and he chose me as his partner. Is his. What you Call a partner. And I was like, well, you tell Rebecca that you that, would you? My homeboy, you know, I ain't trying to own. You know, it was just a joke. People from all walks of life and it's just like, there are times that I'm like, fuck, why did I do those little videos? What catapulted me?

[Chelsea Handler]

But why would you regret that?

[TS Madison]

You know, when you get to a certain place, you don't want people to really see you. It's just because sometimes they can't. They can't let that go.

[Chelsea Handler]

But that's also erasure, in a sense. Like, you're erasing the person that helped you evolve to become the person that you are. So we can all look back at parts of our past that maybe we're not so proud of, or that isn't representative of who we are today, but that doesn't negate that that's part of who brought us to where we are. I would argue that it's very important to think of our past as things that we wouldn't want to take back. It's like. It's like a formula to become who you are today.

[TS Madison]

I mean, I don't. I don't. If I had the chance to do it all again, I would probably tweak it, but do it

[Chelsea Handler]

well. We would all fucking tweak it, baby.

[TS Madison]

I would tweak it.

[Chelsea Handler]

We'd all be tweaking.

[TS Madison]

But I didn't say I would erase it. I would tweak it a little bit, but you know what I'm saying? I'd be like, oh, shit. You know, Especially knowing what I know now. But it's just. Sometimes it gets weird. It feels weird. Like sometimes, like when I'm like. If I'm at a gathering and a guy is like, oh, God, I just want to suck your fucking dick. And I'm like, here, like. Or they'll tell me, I remember this video. You was. I was like, I remember that video. I don't want to talk about that here.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, okay.

[TS Madison]

Like, I gotta. I don't want to do that here.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I have DMs telling me the same things all day long. I just posted a carousel of DMs of men telling me how much pussy they want a lick of mine and eat me from the back. These are men I've never met before. So I feel like men in general just are having. They feel comfortable saying these things to women anywhere, anytime, any place. And again, I really don't think that's on you.

[TS Madison]

Okay, good.

[Chelsea Handler]

Because why would you fucking bring that up at the Emmys?

[Katherine Law]

The Emmys?

[Chelsea Handler]

Why would you. That's on you, too.

[TS Madison]

Well, the lady told me that is the woman. Okay, well, so. Because women wanted to fuck me too.

[Katherine Law]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

And that's okay. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I've been approached by women, men, other trans women.

[Chelsea Handler]

But you're only into men, right? Yeah, you're into it. Do you have a boyfriend, like a serious person in your life?

[TS Madison]

I'm very into freedom now.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[TS Madison]

I used to want to be, but now I'm into freedom. I feel like that everybody should know that I'm a whore when I want to be, and then when I want to be cuddled, I chose you to cuddle with.

[Chelsea Handler]

And can I ask you. So this is a crude question.

[TS Madison]

So I love it crude.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. So do you like to be penetrated and to penetrate?

[TS Madison]

Ooh. Thank you for asking me this, Chelsea. Now I can explain.

[Jana Kramer]

Great.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know our listeners are.

[TS Madison]

Now I can explain. For my freak offs, I'm open. If I'm a mattress, I will flip over. I'm a pancake. Pancake me. I will flip over. Flip me. But that Puerto Rican guy did that to me. That's. That's why that I got into the flipping, because at one point I was like, oh, don't do that. You know, and then the Puerto Rican guy that told you was like, girl, you beautiful. Use that. And he got on and rode that like a cowboy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right. And you liked.

[TS Madison]

I like that. Yeah, but, you know, but that was a freak off. Okay, now a gentleman. And this is. This is problematic. So I'm telling y' all now. I'm looking you in your eyes to tell y' all what I'm getting ready to say is problematic. So don't get in the comments and don't go doing all these dissertations about this shit. It's problematic. What I'm getting ready to say. That's my disclaimer for my personal. I like my man to fuck me to death. And I don't need him to be into my penis. I just need him to understand that it's there, you know, I don't need you to be into it. He don't gotta touch it. He don't gotta suck it. Now, if he suck it, that's. I'm all right with that. Now if he starts bending over for me to him. Now we're in the freak sessions now.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, Got it.

[TS Madison]

And now, like you, I don't I don't want you to. I don't want to be your girl because now you want me to. You in the ass, which I will. I'm not as phobic. I will hit that, but I'm not gonna marry that.

[Chelsea Handler]

It feels like the world is your oyster.

[TS Madison]

That's how I feel.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, so many. Really. It really kind of. This is very illuminating and I really appreciate your candor, because having to ask you to explain this kind of feels like annoying. It's kind of like having to ask a black person to explain racism, and I don't wanna put that on you. So I really appreciate your openness in explaining your personal experience, because I know there's a lot of people listening that feel like you have to choose one bucket or the other bucket. And even in the trans community, it's like you have to be a full woman or you have to have bottom surgery or top surgery. So I think this is a very.

[TS Madison]

I don't want to do it. I don't want to adhere to any rules and regulations. I don't want to do it. I had. I had to do it as a kid. I had to. You know, you got to do it in the church. You got to do it over here. It's like, God damn it. I just want to be free.

[Chelsea Handler]

Do you feel free?

[TS Madison]

I do.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

I don't feel bound to anything. I don't. And I'm never gonna let anything bind me ever again. Like, you're not going to tell me. Well, I'm not a real. This because. No, I'm real because this is. I said I'm real. You're not going to tell me that I need to have this in order to. No, I don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, to be complete. You come. I'm complete. I completely. I complete me. You know, it took a while because you're over there, like. Like, oh, my God. Well, you know, and this is why I don't surround myself with people who are incomplete. I don't surround myself with people who are incomplete because they can influence you when, like, even after you.

[Chelsea Handler]

You.

[TS Madison]

You've gotten your first surgery. You know what if I would have. If I'd have pinched my nose just a little bit more if that's why my ass is so big and my hips are so big. Because I was walking the streets back in the day, and it was like, the bigger your body is, the more cars you'll stop. And it's just like now you're competing with all the Girls who. You know what I'm saying? Who. Well, her ass is bigger, so you got to go bigger than her. Her titties are bigger or her nose is smaller, so that makes her look really like. You got to get to some point where you're satisfied with. With you. And that's why I'm open about me talking about my bottom. Because, you know, now there. There. There are some girls that will not. And that's them. And that's okay. I'm comfortable with however it feels, because I'm com. I'm. I'm totally complete with me. So I talk about my bottom, and I. I talk. Lots of females like to tell me, you'll never be a woman because you'll never have a pussy. You're mad at me because you have a. I have a real pussy. You want to have a real pussy. And I always explain to them, well, I name myself Big Dick because I don't want to have a pussy. And I'm okay with me having a. And I am still she, her and hers. And I'm cool with that. And I'm cool with what likes me. I am fine with what's attracted to me. 99.9999% of gay men are not attracted to me because my presentation is women. You don't see this until the panties come down. Sometimes when the panties are down, there are men. That's like, no, I don't want that. I want the presentation. It's okay that it's there, but I don't want that. Okay? So that's just how it works. I'm still she to him, where people will say, well, you're not a she until this is gone. No, I'm a she here. I'm a her here. I'm also a her here because when it's being played or toyed around with, I call it a sheenus. S H E I N S she nes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you for spelling that for us in case we couldn't figure that out. Make that the title of this episode. Can you spell Sheenas?

[Jana Kramer]

This is Jana Kramer from Wind down with Jana Kramer. So why do they call it a dishwasher? Well, don't worry. It's not a trick question or anything. It's just because it washes dishes, if the filter and the dishwasher itself are dirty, those dishes aren't actually getting clean. That's why you need Cascade Platinum Plus. Powered by two times the cleaning power of Dawn, Cascade Platinum plus doesn't just remove 100% of grease and residue from dishes. It cleans your dishwasher and filter too so you get clean dishes and a dishwasher that keeps washing. Just scrape, load and done. Find Cascade Platinum plus at your local retailer. Cascade is a proud sponsor of the Elton John Impact Awards, honoring those who have helped shape a more inclusive and compassionate world with their artistry, advocacy and unwavering commitment to equality. Cascade would like to take this opportunity to congratulate all of this year's deserving honorees. Don't miss the Elton John Impact Awards podcast, available on June 1st on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere podcasts are heard.

[Chelsea Handler]

Longevity is getting a lot of attention right now, but one of the earliest and most visible signs of aging shows up on the skin and that's linked with a decline in cellular energy. As skin loses energy over time, it doesn't regenerate or renew itself as efficiently, leading to dullness, fine lines and loss of firmness. Obagi's newly launched facial serum, New Gen Cellular Renewal Serum is powered by NAD and designed to support skin longevity. In clinical testing, skin appeared up to six years younger after 12 weeks. Learn [e-mail] and new customers can use code Chelsea15 for 15% off qualifying orders. Terms apply for business owners and entrepreneurs, there is a constant challenge getting things done fast and done well. Why not have both? That's why Wix Harmony stands out. It's an AI website builder that helps create a website quickly without compromising your vision. A fully functional site can be built for any business just by describing the idea. Then you can choose to chat with AI or edit everything manually to get it exactly right. There's also Aria, an AI agent available to answer questions or help complete tasks. And here's what makes it even better. Aria doesn't just live in a chat box. You can click anywhere on your site and ask her to make changes instantly. It's these details that make creating with Wix Harmony feel seamless. Join millions of businesses already using WIX and try WIX Harmony for [e-mail] Harmony. That's Wix.com Harmony in New Zealand. Quality is an acclaim. It's the standard K9 natural baked and coated starts with premium animal ingredients from grass fed red meat to cage free poultry and sustainably sourced fish. With 40% high protein and no meals, fillers or grains, every bite delivers real nutrition. Light, crispy pieces are baked then coated in rich bone broth for incredible taste and whole body health support. Baked and coated from K9 Natural. Use code Chelsea20 for 20% off your first order at us.k9feline natural.com this conversation is more enlightening than our Neil DeGrasse Tyson conversation about quantum physics. Honestly, this is so enlightening. I'm learning so much. I really appreciate it. It's really good to understand that there are so many different variations. And what you're saying paramount to everything is for, you know, any young person who is, like, struggling and not with their identity and what. What they're supposed to do if they transition, it's like you're giving a license to people to take what they want and don't take what they want, you know, to be who you are in your head is more important than any of the physical stuff.

[TS Madison]

That's it. Because you have to know. You can't let other people know for you. You. You have to know, and you gotta know when to stop. Like. Like all the mistakes. Sometimes I look at my body and I'm like, master, you made that mistake because you was trying to compete with this over here. Madison, you got this scar over here. You wouldn't have had this scar girl on you, on your leg or your hip or on your. You wouldn't have had this stuff if you wouldn't have been. If you would have just settled in your mind. You knew you were good. You knew that. And there are scars that I have on my body that I. That I. That I kept. Like, I didn't go get a skin graft or certain things because I. Because I got girls. Chelsea. I don't know how long we got, but I got a whole story. I got silicone poisoned.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, God.

[TS Madison]

All kind of. I have scars on me that I could have went and got skin grafted, could have got it. But I. I make sure that I stand in the mirror when I'm naked to remind myself, you are who you are. You got that scar because you were trying to be this. You got that scar because you were trying to be that. Look at your scars as reminders of. Be exactly who you are, living exactly who the you are, and so that you don't scar yourself again.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right?

[TS Madison]

Remember that? And so that's why when we were all over the place. But we'll get it together. That's why when Beyonce did Cozy and added me to that song, and I listened to the lyrics and I. And I was able to chant that.

[Chelsea Handler]

And this is a recording that you made in your own house, right?

[TS Madison]

In my own house.

[Chelsea Handler]

During the George Floyd protest.

[TS Madison]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right after his murder.

[TS Madison]

Right after his murder, yes. You know, that was me protesting about me being Black, me being trans, me. And I can't separate the two, because sometimes in. In my community, in the black community, it's like. Like, well, you're not black enough because you're trans now, or you're not really black because you're gay. And it's like, what the. I'm black. I'm black and trans at the same time. I'm not separately. I'm at the same time. And so when she was talking about being comfortable in the skin, cozy with who you are, and when she was saying, I look at the scars of my. I was just like, oh, my God, she's singing this about me. This is about me because I talk about the scars of my body. I talk about the things that I've been through in my life. I talk about the scars of. Of. Of being told that I was going to burn in hell. And. And. And. And going through my entire life trying to fit everybody else's idea of what, you know, what is right. When my idea of me is right, it's right. I'm not hurting anybody. I'm not trying to confuse anybody. I'm up front, and I just feel like that I'm where I need to be.

[Chelsea Handler]

Was there any point in your life that you got advice that was invaluable from anyone?

[TS Madison]

RuPaul told me, TS Madison, don't you ever be too big for the small things, because the small things will get you through when the big things aren't calling. And she said, because what you gotta understand, some other bitch will come through and get that small thing and become really big, and you'll regret it. I was like, what the fuck?

[Chelsea Handler]

That's great advice. We're gonna give advice. Are you ready to give advice? We have callers and people calling in.

[TS Madison]

Okay, call in. Oh, yes, I wanna come. Call in home. Call into the doll.

[Katherine Law]

Okay.

[TS Madison]

I love you, though.

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I love it.

[TS Madison]

I listen, I'm. I'm in. The reason why I'm so. It's because I'm with Chelsea Handler.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, I love you, too.

[TS Madison]

Do you understand, girl? That I've watched. I've watched. I used to tell World of Wonder, because World of Wonder is. Is the people who kind of, like, really discovered me and pushed me. I said, when you guys make me a show, I want you to take the. The formula from Chelsea. And I want to do a night show like this. I need to be able to be crass. I need to be able to say pussy. Yeah, dick. I need to be able to just be. Well, obviously, it's still A work in progress.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. You just reminded me of all the. The legal battles that we would get into with the use of language. Like, you could say, you could say somebody was jerking off, but you couldn't call someone a jerk off. They actually had to be like, the act of jerking. Like, all the semantics around the language, you just reminded me of the legal arguments we would get in daily, which now I think would be a moot point because language is whatever. Nobody gives a shit anymore if who's cursing.

[TS Madison]

But I didn't know you were going through stuff like that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We would fight all the time. They fucking hated me. E would be like, oh, my God. Because I was like, I would never back down. You know, I was like, no, this is a comedy show. These aren't serious issues. And, you know, the legal people would be very serious. It would be like, well, you can say rim job, but it has to be an actual rim job. I'm like, what's an act? Do you know what a rim job is, sir? I'm like, you mean like on a car or like an actual. So we would just have these really silly. But it was always really fun, you know?

[TS Madison]

But you don't know how you change the perception of censorship for me, because I was like, well, Chelsea is. She says it. I will be sitting there like, say this, say that, say that. Cause I'm say that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Too fun to say it.

[TS Madison]

Yes. And it's just like you said. You did it. You.

[Chelsea Handler]

You.

[TS Madison]

You would read and you didn't give a. You, Joan. It's like this, this was stuff that I was just like, I gotta. I wanna be able to do this. I. You know, because this is me. And I just always wanted to tell you when I had the opportunity, I was like, bitch, thank you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, thank you, thank you. I love to hear that. That's really special. Thank you.

[TS Madison]

I like a foul mouthed mother.

[Chelsea Handler]

You like a foul mouth white bitch. Yeah, baby. You know, sometimes there are things that you're gonna say and you know you're gonna say them. Like sometimes, like when I'm like, I have a speech prepared and there's just like certain lines you just can't wait to get out of your mouth just to call someone on their shit right to their face. Like, I love that feeling. I mean, men are just, you know, it's, it's, it's like, not all men, obviously, but men.

[TS Madison]

All of them.

[Chelsea Handler]

All of them. Somebody said, I read. Somebody sent me this Instagram thing yesterday. This beautiful British woman was talking about what the Problem is with men right now and the men, and it's like their identity used to be enough. Just being a man was enough. So the problem is that they have to come up with these other qualities. They have to be caring. They have to be actually talented.

[Katherine Law]

Imagine that.

[Chelsea Handler]

You can't just get by on being a man. And that's where this cultural shift that we're all seeing and this anger and violence against women, which we've experienced, you know, since the beginning of time, but there's a real din right now. The way men talk about women, the way men, you know, degrade women. And they're like the Roe v. Wade. All of it is just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If you guys are being treated in the same way we are, then that means we actually have to step up our game and do something more than we're doing. Yes, but I hate to say all men, because I just.

[TS Madison]

Why?

[Chelsea Handler]

Because I have to get fucked at some point by some men. You know what I mean?

[TS Madison]

They will.

[Chelsea Handler]

They will still fuck you. And here's the thing, Chelsea.

[TS Madison]

I say this, which he gets very infuriated when he watches my show. He says that I bash men. And it's like, no, I don't bash because I love men. But I'm. I'm still going to say that I think that men love more than women.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

[TS Madison]

They love more than women.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's a mental. That's it. Like, let me get my dick in something and bust a knot. That's of course. And. But there are men that do love women.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, they do. I mean, I don't think that they don't love. Because when you start saying that, because they start saying like, oh, you saying I'm gay?

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no, we're not saying that.

[TS Madison]

No, I'm not saying you're gay. Tell me.

[Chelsea Handler]

That would be better. By the way.

[TS Madison]

Tell me, when was the last time that you actually laid in the bed with a woman and just listened to her tell you about what's going on inside of her body, the changes that she feels like, you know, like what's going on in. In her vagina or if she. If what? Whatever. When have you bonded with that or all your period on? Okay, well, I gotta go me somebody else while you're period. You think I'm gonna wait seven days? Or you think I'm gonna wait this long time till your period go off and I'm gonna go me another. No, why don't you. Why. Why are you not there nurturing her during that time and Taking care of her during that time. No, you like you. You love her, but you love a more because if you can't get that, you're gonna go get you another piece of in the process. And that doesn't mean. And it's like, like because I have a lot of straight men around me and I'm like, sir, you like pussy. And that's fine. You don't really know her. You don't know her. You don't know how her day is. You don't know how she feels on the inside. You don't know her. And she knows you. She could tell you what the is wrong with you. She could tell you when you. Well, she could tell when you cheating on her because the dick is acting crazy because she's connected to you. You don't share that same type of connection. And then it's like they get angry with me when I say you really don't like women like that. You like.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, well, let's move on to our questions now.

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[Chelsea Handler]

You're probably hearing a lot about longevity right now. I know I am. And I know I care about it. And when it comes to skin, aging is linked with a decline in cellular energy. As that energy decreases, skin doesn't regenerate or renew itself as efficiently. And that's when you start to see dullness, fine lines, and loss of firmness. Obagi Medical has been trusted by dermatologists for over 35 years. Their newly launched facial serum new Gen Cellular Renewal Serum is powered by NAD and supports skin's natural renewal processes at the skin cell level. In clinical testing, skin appeared up to six years younger after 12 weeks. Learn [e-mail] and new customers can use code Chelsea15 for 15% off qualifying orders. Terms apply for business owners and entrepreneurs, there is a constant challenge getting things done fast and done well. Why not have both? That's why Wix Harmony stands out. It's an AI website builder that helps create a website quickly without compromising your vision. A fully functional site can be built for any business just by describing the idea. Then you can choose to chat with AI or edit everything manually to get it exactly right. There's also Aria, an AI agent available to answer questions or help complete tasks. And here's what makes it even better. Aria doesn't just live in a chat box, you can click anywhere on your site and ask her to make changes instantly. It's these details that make creating with Wix Harmony feel seamless. Join millions of businesses already using WIX and try Wix Harmony for [e-mail] Harmony that's wix.com Harmony In New Zealand, quality is an acclaim. It's the standard K9 natural baked and coated starts with premium animal ingredients from grass fed red meat to cage free poultry and sustainably sourced fish. With 40% high protein and no meals, fillers or grains, every bite delivers real nutrition. Light, crispy pieces are baked then coated in rich bone broth for incredible taste and whole body health support. Baked and coated from K9 natural use code Chelsea20 for 20% off your first [e-mail]

[Katherine Law]

our first caller today is Selah Bay and her question is about whether she should hook up with a younger man. Dear Chelsea, I recently turned 30 and got out of a relationship that absolutely leveled me. Since then, I found myself at a strange crossroads. For years I dated the kinds of men you're supposed to date. Older, successful, wealthy, great jobs, great families. The kinds of men who can book a flight before you've even finished saying where you want to go. I spent years in Miami, which I believe legally counts as a graduate degree, and dating rich older men. And it's not like I sought them out, it's just that those were the kinds of men who pursued me. The problem is that now, whenever one of these types of men tries to woo me with gifts, luxury travel or expensive dinners, I get the ick so aggressively that I practically need medical attention. Meanwhile, I was recently Talking to a 25 year old who is objectively less qualified on paper, but somehow made me feel more excited than the guy offering to fly me to Tuscany. I called things off with him, but for the first time in my life, I'm wondering if I've been choosing partners based on resumes instead of coming. Part of me thinks it's time to date hot younger guys, have fun, and stop treating my love life like I'm hiring a cfo. The other part of me wonders if women are sold a fantasy about having fun and whether that actually ends up being fulfilling. So my question is, after a big heartbreak, how do you know whether you're finally listening to yourself or just temporarily losing your mind? Love a woman who spent her 20s dating balance sheets and is suddenly interested in personalities. Selah Bay.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Selah Bay.

[TS Madison]

Hi, Selah Bay.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is our special guest today. T.S. madison is here.

[TS Madison]

Hi, Selah.

[Katherine Law]

So nice to meet you guys. Happy bride.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, Happy pride. Thank you. Thank you. I think you should have a good time. I think whenever you have a pattern of behavior that didn't work out and it was a pattern and you recognized it, you should really just change up that pattern and toss it out the window and just go for it in terms of doing the exact opposite of what you've done in the past and have a good time without any expectations and stop looking at it at the end result. Like, stop looking at the outcome of a relationship before it happens.

[Katherine Law]

We agree.

[Chelsea Handler]

Don't look at every person as a potential partner for life. Look at them as an experience in life. Like everyone is an experience if you don't put so much weight on it. And it's always worthwhile to break up a pattern.

[TS Madison]

That was good advice, Josie. I think that you should always fuck young, date rich. That's just it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Young and date rich. Yeah. Now you have to find a young rich guy. No, I think that you can do that, whatever. But it's also nice to find out, like, there might be other attributes and qualities you really like in people that you don't even know about yet. Yeah.

[TS Madison]

Siri. You want the money, girl? You want the money? You want the money?

[Chelsea Handler]

Maybe she'll make her own money.

[TS Madison]

Girl, nobody wants to make their own girl. Take their money.

[Chelsea Handler]

Take their own fucking money.

[TS Madison]

I know you do.

[Chelsea Handler]

I have. You have your own money.

[TS Madison]

You don't make own money. But I, I took some of those men's money and I invested it. So that's what you should do. You should young date rich and always keep you an investment account. Account on the side. You know what I'm saying?

[Chelsea Handler]

And an offshore account.

[TS Madison]

And when you get older, you know, you. You're going to find. Well, here's the thing. When you get older, you're going to find yourself being that rich woman that's like. You're probably gonna buy you a piece of dick here and there because you're gonna feel power. It's gonna make you powerful. You're gonna feel powerful, like girl, like they become ex. Expendable. And then you start noticing the patterns that. That men don't. Don't really change. And I'm not bashing men because I don't want to date anything else but a man. But you just call it. Gotta call a thing a thing. Like men were bred to Rome. That's why you always get the rich ones and you settle with the rich ones, you understand? And you fuck the young ones. Get into poly. Are you into poly?

[Chelsea Handler]

No.

[Katherine Law]

No, I don't think so.

[Chelsea Handler]

No. I could have told you no on that girl. It's a poly just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is styled. She is not into poly.

[TS Madison]

You're a try poly.

[Chelsea Handler]

So despierte.

[Katherine Law]

I don't think I have the energy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, that's the difference between men and women is that most women don't have the fucking energy for that.

[TS Madison]

Polyandry.

[Chelsea Handler]

Poly. Polyamory.

[TS Madison]

Polyandry is when the woman has multiple husbands. That's. That's.

[Katherine Law]

That's right, right, right.

[TS Madison]

Married to her. They don't cheat on her. Oh, that's polyandry.

[Chelsea Handler]

But who cares if they're cheating anyway?

[Katherine Law]

Like MissAndry.

[Chelsea Handler]

Miss Andrea. Yes. Yeah.

[Katherine Law]

So I feel like I dated so strategically, like, don't worry, I've got the high yield, the brokerage, the sep. Ira, Roth ira. Got the money on deck because of dating so strategically for so long and making my own money. And so I guess it's kind of like, do I just, like, let my hair down and just like. Yes. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Have some fun. Have some fun. You don't know what you're missing because you don't know. You've been so focused on one, like, area and one zone that, like, open. Broaden your horizons. You might come back. Open it up. Yeah, open it up. Open up the field and just like, let anybody in that seems to like, strike an interest in you.

[TS Madison]

As long as you're not paying for anything.

[Katherine Law]

I agree. Like, make sure that whoever you're dating or marry, like, they can't touch your money. Yeah, yeah, we're getting over.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think she's all right. She knows what's up with money. Like, she's the one who's looking for people for their money. She's not gonna be a victim of someone trying to get her money.

[TS Madison]

Well, I mean, it can happen.

[Chelsea Handler]

It can happen, and it has happened, but she seems to be pretty on top of it. I think you should just open, like, just go into a casual mode of dating and date multiple people.

[TS Madison]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And have a good time and see what's out there that you don't know that you like.

[TS Madison]

And be honest.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

And tell them. Because what I find is when you tell a man that you're dating is, I need to see who's going to vie for. Vie for the title. When you tell them like, oh, I'm dating somebody else. It's like, oh, I'm not good. I'm not enough. Well, show me that you can be enough.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

The way that you defeat men is you take from their playbook. The only way that you are able to really control a man is if you matches a match a man's energy with his. All men worship me. If they don't worship me, that's not my man. And I'm gonna tell him I have another friend, another guy, another gentleman, because listen, that's what he's, he's, he's hiding that from me. Sir, don't, don't, don't flip your phone over. Don't hide your phone. Don't put it on silent. Let it ring. Because I'm gonna let mine ring.

[Katherine Law]

Okay, So I should definitely hit up this 25 year old because I called it off because I was like, I don't know if like the future in his career.

[Chelsea Handler]

Who gives a. Just stop with that right now. You've already done that. Just take like a six month sabbatical and have as much fun as possible.

[TS Madison]

Okay?

[Jana Kramer]

Period.

[TS Madison]

And have him on his knee. He has to be on his knees.

[Chelsea Handler]

And so he will be. He's 25. He'll be maybe with a leash on too.

[Jana Kramer]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Great. That's great. Introduce a leash.

[Katherine Law]

Awesome. Thank you. Si lave.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you, thank you.

[Jana Kramer]

Bye.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's really two opposite ends of the spectrum of advice. We really offered her the whole spectrum. We're like, listen, bitch.

[Katherine Law]

But we're like, oh, fuck that 25 year old.

[Chelsea Handler]

Or you could do this.

[Jana Kramer]

Yeah.

[TS Madison]

But make sure that he. That she is being paid.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I mean, we got your message. She needs to be getting paid for her work. Loud and clear.

[Katherine Law]

Well, our next caller is Jessica and she says you're Chelsea. I'm a 35 year old single woman, and in February 2025, I had a bilateral salpingectomy because I am absolutely certain I do not want children. So before the surgery, I.

[Chelsea Handler]

What is that word?

[Katherine Law]

I think it's the fallopian tubes taken out.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Katherine Law]

But it's basically, she got sterilized.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Katherine Law]

So before the surgery, I constantly ran into men who assumed I would eventually change my mind about having children. Some told me I was too young to know for sure. Others seemed convinced that if I met the right guy, I'd suddenly develop the desire to become a mother. Part of the reason I chose permanent sterilization was because I wanted to remove any ambiguity. I wasn't on the fence. I wasn't waiting to be persuaded, and I wasn't looking for someone to change my mind. And yet, somehow this didn't solve the problem. Even though I'm very clear on my dating profiles that I don't want children, I keep matching with men who want kids, aren't sure if they want kids or think my life choices are the opening bid in a negotiation. The most recent guy told me he didn't want children either. Later, I found out he had actually fathered a child with a woman he hooked up with in Mexico. His explanation was that because he wasn't involved in the child's life, he considered himself child. I nearly sprained an eyeball rolling it. How do I find a partner who genuinely wants the same child free life I do? Is there some secret screening question I'm missing, or am I destined to spend every first date conducting a deposition and presenting evidence that I really, truly, actually mean it when I say I don't want kids. Sincerely, Jessica.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Jessica.

[TS Madison]

Hello.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thanks for having me. Oh, sure. This is T.S. madison, our special guest.

[TS Madison]

Hi, Jessica. How are you?

[Katherine Law]

Great.

[Chelsea Handler]

How are you?

[TS Madison]

I'm feeling Puerto Rican right now, Rickin, honey.

[Chelsea Handler]

Puerto Rican. What does your dating profile say? Maybe it needs to be bolder. Like this is a non negotiable issue. I will not and am not having any children. It's not physically possible so that. Please don't come to me unless you're on the exact same page right now.

[Katherine Law]

My dating profile says that I don't want children.

[Chelsea Handler]

It doesn't say it's a non negotiable.

[Katherine Law]

I think I'm just being a little too nice out there.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, you seem already too nice. So you have to be very straightforward with people, very direct in these circumstances because you don't want anyone approaching you that you're Gonna go on three dates with and then have the same conversation. That's a waste of your time. So just cut out the waste. Make it very clear. Like, this is not possible physically, and I have no desire, so I made it impossible. So if you're on the same page and want to live a life without children, please let me know. But we're not having a conversation about it.

[Katherine Law]

Yeah, and because men, like, can't be arsed to read your whole profile, I would also, like, as you're chatting with someone before taking the time to meet up with them, I would just be like, hey, I just like to check because, like, I'm so not on board with having kids. Like, are you in the same place or are you sort of waffle? You know, just like, double check before you waste your time on some guy. Right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Watch this.

[TS Madison]

Yeah, I'm letting. I'm letting Katherine finish. Honey. I'm saying watch this, sister. Listen to me thoroughly, okay? You have to understand that men send the representative first, so the first person that you meet is the shell of the person. It's, It's. It's who they, you know, I'm saying it's like who they think that you want them to know who they are. Let them talk. Let them talk. Let them explain. You know, rub their balls. Not literally, but just, you know, stroke them. Get them to just, like, talk so they'll tell you if they want kids or how they feel about kids or, you know, or how they feel about. Listen, the. Anytime that I meet men, I always just let them. I never tell them what I like sexually. I never tell them what I like. Like, you know, physically. I let them do, because this is naturally who they are. This is naturally what they are. And if the moment that you start telling them stuff or you start. They'll. They'll try to conform to that and. And try to make you comfortable so they can get in bed with you. And then later on, you'll find out, well, I wanted kids anyway. But just let them talk. You know, sometimes they'll tell you, I got four kids of my own. I don't even want no bun for kids no more. It's like, okay, so what's the word? How many. How many. How many mothers are there? You know, there's two. So, okay, so what I'm finding out is that you have four kids, Two relationships didn't work out, you, father took it, and now you're going. And now you're a single man over here with. With you. You. You kick it with the. The Family and the kid. Okay, now you're not the dude for me. You might not be the one for me. Because you, you, you know, whatever or whatever it is that you. However you feel you know, whatever you're looking for, don't tell them what you're looking for. Let them tell you who they are. My profile is blank. If I'm on a date, it's blank. 36, 24, 36, 10.

[Chelsea Handler]

I like that. I like that.

[TS Madison]

Whatever. We'll talk about the rest of it. I'm 36. 24, 36, 10. If you don't. If you can't figure out what that 10 is, then that means you're not reading the profile right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Anyway, I think you have your marching orders. You have to be more direct. And don't worry about being nice. Listen, we don't have time for that anymore. Yeah, you just have to be direct with people and you have to be overly direct because this is your future. You're looking to find a partner. So it's better just to get all of like the chit chat out of the way and like. And save yourself some time from going on dates with people who aren't on the same page.

[TS Madison]

Yeah.

[Katherine Law]

And also kudos to you for knowing what you wanted and making it happen.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, good for you for getting that done. I'm sure if more women knew I had an ablation, which is basically they scorch your uterus. What's the procedure that you referenced in your letter?

[Katherine Law]

Bilateral salpingectomy. So it's removing the fallopian tubes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, good for you. That sounds very sexy.

[TS Madison]

And you don't. So you don't want any children at all.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, she's like, what is.

[Katherine Law]

She can't.

[Chelsea Handler]

What, are you gonna have a little one through her procedure?

[TS Madison]

It's a wrap.

[Chelsea Handler]

There's nothing happening there.

[TS Madison]

And that's cause she just never wanted any kids.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no. You keep your 10 inches away from her. She doesn't want a baby.

[TS Madison]

Would you be a stepmom?

[Katherine Law]

No.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's a movement. It's happening, people. Yes, it's a movement.

[Katherine Law]

Awesome. Thank you, Jessica.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thanks, Jessica.

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[Chelsea Handler]

Have a great day. You too. You too. Thanks. Bye.

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[TS Madison]

Www.outlawspodcast.

[Chelsea Handler]

okay, great. And you can catch T.S. madison on RuPaul's Drag Race, of course. And then Outlaws podcast TikTok Fag Talk Live, spelled P H a G. That's right. FagTalk Live, everybody.

[TS Madison]

Yes. Popular hot ass gossipers.

[Chelsea Handler]

I loved having you. I'm sorry we don't have more time together.

[TS Madison]

Listen, we're gonna do something else. We'll do it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Keep in touch with me.

[TS Madison]

I feel that we. There's so much stuff that we can do. If you put ebony and ivory together, what. What magic will it make? I. I want to thank you so much, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. Yes, of course.

[TS Madison]

I really wish I could have delved deeper.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. Well, we'll have you back.

[TS Madison]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I'll come on yours. We'll make sure we keep a relationship going.

[TS Madison]

Please.

[Katherine Law]

Yes.

[TS Madison]

Because you're. You're an idol of me.

[Chelsea Handler]

I love you. I love you. Let me give you a.

[TS Madison]

Come on.

[Chelsea Handler]

Come on, girl.

[TS Madison]

Come on.

[Katherine Law]

If you want advice from Chelsea, write in to dearchelsea podcast gmail.com Dear Chelsea is a production of I Heart Media. Follow Chelsea on all socials Chelsea Handler and find Katherine on TikTok lashkadabra. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brandon Dickert Executive producer Katherine Law. Find full video episodes and minisodes now on Netflix and get tickets to see Chelsea live@chelsea handler.com.

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[Chelsea Handler]

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