Fanilow to Ambassilow with Michael Urie

Summary

Dear Chelsea: "Fanilow to Ambassilow with Michael Urie"

Podcast: Dear Chelsea (iHeartPodcasts)
Host: Chelsea Handler (with co-host Katherine Law)
Guest: Michael Urie
Air Date: August 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This week’s episode sees comedian Chelsea Handler welcome acclaimed actor Michael Urie (of “Shrinking,” “Ugly Betty,” and Broadway’s “Oh, Mary!”) for a lively, candid exploration of fame, fandom, romance, and personal growth. Mixing humor with heartfelt advice, they discuss Michael’s love for Barry Manilow, the realities of acting on stage and screen, career burnout, and personal relationships. As always, Chelsea and Katherine field listener calls, tackling thorny family dynamics, relationship dilemmas, and friendship boundaries, with Michael lending his unique perspective as both a Broadway star and a compassionate guest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michael Urie’s Emmy Nomination & Career Journey

• Celebrating the Nomination:
  • Michael shares the excitement and disbelief at his first Emmy nod for “Shrinking.”
    • “This amazing world of Emmys is so new and exciting and crazy, and I still don't really believe it.” (06:33)
• Text Exchanges with Harrison Ford:
  • Michael details getting congratulations from co-star Harrison Ford, highlighting their playful camaraderie.
    • “I just texted him, dude. And he wrote back the same thing, 'dude.'” (07:35)
• On Becoming a Fanilow (Barry Manilow Superfan):
  • Michael talks about how he became not just a “Fanilow,” but an “Ambassilow,” introducing friends to Barry’s music and spirit, reflecting on how Manilow’s music resonated during his personal journey coming out.
    • “I make virgins Fanilows... I was very melancholy because I felt like I belonged in New York... and there was a new light FM station... playing a lot of Barry Manilow... it was really speaking to me that summer.” (09:26)
• Meeting Barry Manilow:
  • Michael describes meeting his idol, keeping his cool, and eventually forming a friendly relationship with Manilow—who’s even attended Michael’s shows. He admires Manilow’s ongoing commitment to performing well into his 80s.

2. Behind the Scenes of Broadway and TV

• Differences Between Theater and TV:
  • Michael relishes live theater’s immediacy and communal energy, compared to the more compartmentalized nature of film and TV.
    • “When you start a play at 7:30 at night for this group of 900 people and you finish it together, it's so special... It's really thrilling because I always get kind of emotional about it when I'm rehearsing a play.” (21:00)
• The Physical and Mental Demands:
  • He explains the need to structure his entire day around performance—even for shorter plays, and especially when doing double shows in a single night.
• Chelsea on Burnout and Returning to Standup:
  • Handler shares her own story of industry burnout, taking a six-year hiatus from standup and coming back with a better sense of purpose and presence.
    • “I liked getting off more than I liked being on stage... That's when I feel like I lost my... I had to recalibrate and come back and actually be so present...” (22:20)

3. Celebrity Perks and Fandom

• Chelsea on the Practical Benefits of Fame:
  • She jokes about using fame to meet heroes and “skip the line” at doctor’s offices.
    • “What else is fame for other than to meet your heroes?” (11:30)
    • “Doctors want celebrity clients... They won’t leave you in the waiting room.” (11:54)

4. Experimenting with Medical Marijuana

• Michael’s Pre-Acting Job as a Medical Marijuana Test Subject:
  • He recounts answering a Village Voice ad for drug trials, being given varying strengths of marijuana or placebo before doing cognitive tests in a hospital setting.
    • “I would go into a hospital and I would sit in a hospital room... One time I got just high as fuck.” (28:28)
  • Chelsea expresses envy and fascination with the setup, joking about her own love of hospitals and being waited on.
    • “I love hospitals. I love being taken care of. I love when people are tending to me in a medical way.” (29:35)
• Cognition and Cannabis:
  • Michael discusses how being high may have actually helped him memorize lines for shows.
    • “I will do it high. I will learn it high... then, like, when I go back to it later sober, it's there.” (31:57)

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Listener Advice Segment

1. Maid of Honor Dilemma: Estranged Family Ties

• Email from Mandy: Torn about being maid of honor at her sister’s wedding due to long-standing family estrangement.
• Chelsea’s Advice:
  • “I think you have to go to your sister's wedding... You can fly in the night before if you want... follow through is kind of like 90% of life.” (39:01)
• Michael’s Advice:
  • “Lying is so dangerous because the truth is always easier to remember.” (41:03)
  • Both stress follow-through, honesty, and keeping commitments—even if it means careful boundary-setting for self-preservation.

2. Cheating in a Sexless Marriage

• Call from Mitchell: Married for five years, together ten, never had sex with his husband, started cheating to meet unmet needs, now seeking separation and feeling immense guilt.
• Chelsea:
  • “Stop self immolating... Your actions are circumstantial. You have to flip the script... To be in a nonsexual marriage for as many years as you were—that's not fun for you, and I'm sure it's not fun for your partner.” (44:36)
  • Suggests he pursue therapy with his husband to honestly and gently end the relationship and focus on co-parenting their niece and nephews.
• Michael:
  • “You're not a bad person.”
  • “We don't have to subscribe to heteronormative ways of monogamy...” (45:45)
  • Encourages honest and direct communication, and forgiving oneself. Recognizes the confusion/pain people in non-sexual relationships experience and the complex interplay of sexuality, identity, and expectation.
• Katherine:
  • “You don't need forgiveness from him, you just need to forgive yourself.” (52:01)

3. Friend’s Toxic Partner and Truth-Telling

• Call from Emily: Dislikes her husband’s best friend’s girlfriend, who’s lied about having cancer and displays attention-seeking behavior, even as her boyfriend now faces leukemia.
• Chelsea’s Guidance:
  • “It’s almost more important that her boyfriend know about her instead of her. She’s not gonna change because she’s got some problems, obviously.” (58:12)
  • Encourages Emily to talk directly to the friend (the boyfriend), possibly using examples of the girlfriend’s behavior to help him see the truth.
• Michael:
  • Supports honest, compassionate intervention.
• Katherine:
  • Raises issue of how to set boundaries with problematic friends’ partners.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On meeting Barry Manilow:
  • Michael: “I played it cool. I have to say, I did play it pretty cool.... He couldn't have been cooler. He was so chill and so nice, and I don't know, he didn't really know who I was then. But I've been about, you know, like, 20 times since then. So now he does.” (12:33)
• Chelsea on performer longevity:
  • “There must be stuff you can take that just keeps you young. I mean, I know there is because I'm fucking taking it.” (13:28)
• On honesty vs. confrontation:
  • Michael: “Honesty doesn't have to be a confrontation. It can be like, you know, I have to tell you something... that's a friend. That's not a confrontation.” (68:26)
• Chelsea on self-care and boundaries:
  • “Always get a car.” (42:25)
• Chelsea, closing words:
  • “The world’s gonna end, like, any minute, so you better get out there and have a fucking good time. Enjoy your life. Please, everyone, listen. Enjoy your life.” (55:28)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Chelsea’s Life Update & Guest Intros: 02:37–05:00
• Michael Urie joins/Emmy talk: 05:00–09:26
• Barry Manilow fandom, coming out, meeting heroes: 09:26–14:34
• On Broadway and performing live vs. TV: 19:44–22:20
• Chelsea discusses standup burnout and return: 22:20–24:10
• Medical marijuana trial stories: 27:25–32:29
• Listener Email: Maid of Honor & Family Estrangement: 37:36–42:27
• Caller Mitchell: Sexless Marriage & Separation: 42:36–55:56
• Caller Emily: Friend’s Toxic Girlfriend: 58:03–63:41
• Wrap up with Michael Urie: 68:00–69:39

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Tone & Flow

Candid, comedic, sometimes irreverent but always supportive, the episode flows with quick-witted banter, vulnerable revelations, and direct, actionable advice. Chelsea’s signature mix of tough love and empathy blends perfectly with Michael’s earnestness and humor, making this episode both heartwarming and genuinely insightful.

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Summary

This episode of Dear Chelsea perfectly showcases the show’s unique blend of celebrity chat and sharp life advice. Michael Urie’s presence brings both high-wattage charm and honesty as he reflects on his career, personal growth, and the power of fandom. The advice segments are deeply empathetic, especially regarding relationship difficulties and setting personal boundaries, with Chelsea and Michael offering both validation and practical steps forward for listeners in tricky spots. The entire episode is an engaging mix of laughter, truth-telling, and encouragement to choose honesty and self-worth.

Transcript

[Katherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

Hi, Chelsea. How are you?

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, I'm not. I'm weak. I'm very weak. I was in ibiza for, like, 72 hours, maybe more. It was ridiculous. And then I came to New York, so my stomach is still not right. Oh, no, something's off.

[Katherine]

Were you okay to go to the US Open, or did you have to.

[Chelsea Handler]

I was okay to go to the US Open. I had a. I had a ride home from Ibiza that I missed. Then I had a flight that I also missed. Then I spent an extra night getting sleep. So that was. That was good. It was. It was a rough. It was a rough trip. It was a rough trip all the way around. I just really banged myself up. So I'm just recovering in time for me to be in New York. Went to the US Open yesterday with my. One of my favorite people, Hannah Berner. And then we. And then I'm headed to Montauk tonight. And then I have shows in West Hampton tomorrow night and Thursday night. Excellent. Thursday. No. And Friday night, 21st to 22nd, so. Yes. But a bunch of my friends are flying in, so we're all driving down to the Hamptons tonight together. Apparently, I'm meeting them at an airport. So I was like, guys, this is not a good meeting spot. Not for me, anyway. I just loaded everything into my car, my driver's car, thinking he and I were driving to the Hamptons. He's like, no, I'm dropping you off at the airport. I'm like, what? Anyway, we'll get that sorted.

[Katherine]

We have one of your attendees for your West Hampton show calling in today, actually.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, really? Oh, perfect. They can call in about the show for a preview. That's what they're gonna want.

[Katherine]

Yeah. She wants you to do a tight vibe.

[Chelsea Handler]

I love when you do interviews. When I do interviews and people when I'm promoting shows, and they're like, what can we expect? It's like fucking comedy and laughter.

[Katherine]

Such a weird question.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's such an annoying question. And so I have to talk about how annoying it is. So hopefully all these interviewers will hear it at some point and stop asking comed what to expect. It's like, what to expect? What? Accommodate. You're gonna see me. What, do you want me to pitch you my jokes? Like I'm doing. Then I'm doing material.

[Katherine]

Right, Right. You get a little drunk and listen to comedy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Or, yeah, just a little drunk. Just. Just the title. Just a little. We have a Very, very funny guest on Today who I'm excited about. He stars in Apple's TV hit show Shrinking and is nominated for an Emmy for Best Actor in a supporting Role. And he's also just made his debut in O Mary on Broadway. And you can find him this fall in Shakespeare's Richard ii. Please welcome Michael Urie. Michael Urie, a giant ray of sunshine is here today. Hi, Michael Urie. How are you?

[Michael Urie]

I'm so good. It's great to see you all. Hello.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's great to see you, too. Your hair's wet. Did you just get out of the shower?

[Michael Urie]

I did. I wanted to be clean for this because.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you.

[Michael Urie]

Because I'm a clean little boy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you.

[Michael Urie]

I went to the gym, and then I went and showered, and so I'm clean as much.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. Let me tell you what I did this morning. I took a shower before I went to the gym. I took a shower because I was like, fuck, when am I gonna. I have a busy day. I'm like, when am I gonna have time to shower? Usually I would take one after my workout, but I was like, well, fuck, I'm just gonna take one before as a prophylactic, you know? And then I. And then I went. So I go to my trainer's house, and I go in his bathroom, and I change. And my hair was, like, damp and gross from sweating, but I had to put on a regular outfit, so I feel like a dirty little who.

[Katherine]

I like when she stinks, so it's fine.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. Thank you, Katherine.

[Michael Urie]

It's a musk. It's a musk.

[Mitchell]

Hormones.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's a musk. But, yeah, I've never really had BO So at least that's what I like to tell people, so it's not really an issue. Why is Michael frozen on our arms? I'm not sure.

[Katherine]

I just texted Brad. You're back there.

[Chelsea Handler]

You're back there.

[Katherine]

You're back.

[Chelsea Handler]

All I can see is you and Corkboard. And I like this setup because there's no distractions. We can completely focus on you. Yeah.

[Katherine]

If you freeze again, we'll let you know.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, maybe close everything else just to make sure.

[Chelsea Handler]

Close your only fans. And, yeah, whatever else you're on, I'm on OnlyFans. And I know that you're on my account, so please close it. This is inappropriate. Michael, first of all, the most recent set of congratulations need to be conveyed to you on your most recent Emmy nomination for your role in Shrinking.

[Michael Urie]

Thank you. My most recent and only this. It's all very new. To me, this whole thing, this amazing world of Emmys is so new and exciting and crazy, and I still don't really believe it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. It's pretty exciting. How did you get the news? Were you waiting? Did you. Did you know that you were. You knew you were in contention to get nominated from an Emmy?

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, I mean, I guess I. You know, people were like, you should wake up. You should. You should be paying attention. You should. You should try to, you know, try to be up for it. We had a night shoot the night before, actually. We were shooting shrinking at the time, and we had a night shoot that went till 3, 4 in the morning. So I was dead asleep, and my phone started buzzing, but I was kind of aware because, you know, they were like, I was on a list or two, and people were definitely trying to, you know, get, you know, get me, not get you.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. It's always fascinating, the people who don't try to get nominated but get nominated. I'm like, how much effort has to go into trying to get nominated? So tell us about the text you got from Harrison Ford. Texted you, right?

[Michael Urie]

Oh, my gosh. So. Well, I texted him first, but he wrote back right away. And, yeah, I just texted him, dude. And he wrote back the same thing, dude. And then he said he was like, yeah. And Big Head, because we call Jason Segel Big Head, or it's a part of the show that he's called Big Head. But I love that Harrison kept that nickname. Yeah. It's just so cool that he got nominated. I got nominated. Jessica and Jason and the show and casting.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Michael Urie]

And sound like. Like, it just feels like. Like the show spoke to people, and definitely it was a really nice. So that. That day. So I woke up, you know, to my phone buzzing. And then that night, we had our last night of shooting, actually. It was our rap day. And. And so we all got to be together and sort of celebrate together.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's so nice. It's such a nice show to watch. It feels like that you guys have such a nice vibe between everyone. Your character is great. I mean, it's a perfect for. It's just so, like, I know Bill Lawrence does this with his shows. He makes them very inviting, you know, like, these places, these kind of. It's always set in some backdrop that is very appealing that you want to keep coming back to. And the neighbors are like, you know, walking over to each other's houses. I don't want to give any of my neighbors any ideas that I would be interested in that. So that's all we'll say on that front. But this is just your most recent success because you have a huge, huge, long history. You've done so many shows from Hungry Betty to Younger to Broadway. You're in Omar now, which everyone can go see on Broadway, which is fucking exciting. So congrats on all of that, too. And I know that you. Before we get into any of that stuff, I know that you've had a very long romantic relationship with Barry Manilow.

[Michael Urie]

Yes, thank you for asking. Yes, I'm a fanilo. More than a fanelo. I am an ambassalo. Wow. I bring people to him. I introduce. I make virgins. Fanilos. I guess it was my. I went back home after my first year in New York, my first year of drama school, and I was back in. I'm from Texas, and I was back in Plano, Texas, driving around the suburbs, and I was very melancholy because I felt like I belonged to. In New York. You know, as soon as I got to New York, I was like, this is where I belong. And going back to Texas was really weird that first summer. And there was a new light FM station in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, and they were playing a lot of Barry Manilow. And I'd never really. I mean, I'd heard him, but it was really speaking to me this summer. And.

[Chelsea Handler]

But was there any correlation between you coming out and then appreciating Barry Manilow or was. Were you already out?

[Michael Urie]

I was, you know, like, ish at that time. I was like. I was like.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think those two dots are connected, though.

[Michael Urie]

I mean, I'm sure that's why he spoke to me. So I'm sure that I was like. Even though he's singing about Mandy and Melissa and all these women, I'm sure that I was like, he means Michael. He actually means Michael here. But I went into. I was so into him, and I went into. Do you remember, like, used CD stores back in the late 90s? I went into a used CD store in the suburbs, and I was like. I was a little like. I was like, I don't think it's. I don't think it's cool to like, Barry Manilow. I don't know if. I don't know if I. I'm going to be. I'm going to be under the radar here, and I'm going to pretend like I'm shopping for my aunt or something. And so I went up to the counter and I was like, you guys don't have any. You guys be like, Barry Manilow CDs, do you. And the woman looked at me and said, every record store in the world has Barry Manilow. I throw it over there. And I went and bought the greatest hits and just, like, lived my life in the car, driving around singing Barry Manil. And then as soon as I got on tv, as soon as I was on Ugly Betty and I had even, like, the slightest bit of notoriety, I made it my mission to meet him and find him.

[Chelsea Handler]

What else is fame for other than to meet your heroes? Like, I mean, that's exactly what I use it for, too. Restaurants and heroes and doctor appointments. Let's be honest. Okay, I want to skip the line, so.

[Michael Urie]

Ooh, is that a thing?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. Every doctor, like, yeah. I mean, doctors want celebrity clients, so that works out nicely.

[Michael Urie]

I never even thought of that. I use Zocdoc.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like, when you go to a doctor and you go to a doctor, like, they won't leave you in the waiting room. They get you right away. You don't have to wait because they don't want you to have to. You know, it's just. It's a nice perk. That is probably underrated, but I see doctors all the time because I just want everything to be taken care of at all times. You know what I mean? But anyway, I diverge back to Barry Manilow. I'm so sorry. Continue.

[Michael Urie]

I will always get us back to Barry Mallow. I promise. He means so much to me. So I finally, like. So. So. So I met him. I got. I went to see him in Vegas, and I got to hang out backstage.

[Chelsea Handler]

So when you met him, did you, like, were you able to contain your excitement or was it a bit of a hot mess?

[Michael Urie]

It was. I played it cool. I have to say, I did play it pretty cool. I was with some friends who were, you know, like, not as big a fan as I am. Nobody is. And we'd just seen the show in Vegas, and. And they brought us backstage, and it was. Everyone was really nice, and it was like someone in the band's birthday, and they were singing Happy Birthday, and he has a vineyard, so we were drinking Manilow wine, and he couldn't have been cooler. He was so chill and so nice, and I don't know, he didn't really know who I was then. But I've been about, you know, like, 20 times since then. So now he does. And now he's even, like, come to see me in some shows, and we'll occasionally, like, text, and he's very nice, a very cool man. And and loves to perform. I think he's like, in some ways, I mean, I love his music and I love watching him perform. But I also am really inspired by him as a performer. He's 82, 83 now, and he's still like doing like 200 shows a year.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's so crazy with these guys that are like 70, like 75. 80. Like Bruce Springsteen's 75, Paul McCartney's something like 79, I think all of these guys. And like, I saw Paul McCartney at Glastonbury. He fucking looks like. Like he's in his late 60s. He's bopping around, going from concert to concert, show to show. Like Bruce Springsteen puts on a three hour show. Mick Jagger, all these old guys. There must be stuff that you can take that just keeps you young. I mean, I know there is because I'm fucking taking it. But like, just in the nick of time to have this, like, this whole. There's a whole, like, you know, group of older men who are just crushing it now. Sting still performs all the time, you.

[Michael Urie]

Know, Harrison Ford standard.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, Harrison Ford. And Harrison Ford's body's still banging. He's running in movies. No, his knees are doing great. He's shirt off in like one of the first seasons of shrinking. And you're like, excuse me, who put that body back together? Because that's not natural. Who has. He's like, ripped. That's exciting. And he came to see you do a show, right? Barry Manilow.

[Michael Urie]

Barry came to see the show. Well, he came to see the show. The first time he came to see me in the show, I was doing this play off off Broadway that was about Barbra Streisand. And it was a really brilliant play, A one man play. I didn't write it, but this guy, Jonathan Tollens wrote it. Really brilliant play that imagined, you know, that she has a basement mall at her house. Like she has a shopping mall in her basement.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I didn't know that. A shopping mall, yeah.

[Katherine]

She can't, like, go to a normal mall because she's Barbra Streisand. So she has been the basement.

[Chelsea Handler]

So what does she. There are shops there? Retail shops?

[Michael Urie]

Yes. Well, not like the Gap or, you know, Lane Bryan.

[Katherine]

No, not those. Forever 21.

[Michael Urie]

No, like, it's like an antique store and a gift shoppie.

[Chelsea Handler]

And who's picking out the items to sell in the shop?

[Katherine]

That's a very good question.

[Michael Urie]

It's her collectibles. It's like dresses that she wore in movies. She's collected all these dolls There's a doll shop and there's like a yogurt shop, like an actual yogurt shop. And so it's this, like. It looks like a European arcade. And it's all in the basement of one of the homes on her property. And she did a book, you know, like back in 2010 or 11, a coffee table book of this house, this huge, amazing house, and all the different homes on the compound. And this mall is chronicled. And this wonderful writer, John Tolens, was looking at the book with friends and he was like, how'd you like to be the guy who works down there? And everyone laughed and it sparked this idea. So he wrote a whole play imagining that a guy gets hired and to work there. And this play is called Buyer and Seller Seller, like a basement seller. And it imagines this guy gets hired to run the shops. And he has one customer and she comes down and pretends to shop. And then it goes on. And it's like, not just. It's like. And it's all imagined from his mind. And people would come who know her and they would flock to it. I mean, people who know her kind of flock to it. And they were always like, how did you know? How did he know that she was like this? Because he just had this, like, incredible insight. So that's the first time Barry Manilow came to see me in a play about Barbra Streisand. It was a play about Barbra Streisand. And it was so funny because we had just started doing it. I wasn't even. I didn't like it. It was a long monologue, like 100 minute monologue. And I was like. Barely knew it. I was still so nervous. And one day the house manager. I came in and the house manager was like, you'll never believe who bought tickets today. And I was like, who? He was like, I'll give you a hint. It's like the male Barbra Streisand. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Barry Manilow bought tickets to the show and I knew immediately who he met. And I said, you will not tell me when he's coming. And then I just pretended like he was there every night until he finally showed up. And I was so good imagining him in the audience. So now that's kind of a thing I do. I just sort of pretend like he's there every night.

[Chelsea Handler]

Ok, well, first of all, I don't think Barry Mandela bought tickets. I think he called and said he wanted tickets. So that's the first inconsistency. With your story. The second question, the second thing. Because first of all, if he bought tickets, nobody would know about it unless he announced he was coming. Second of all, Michael, I wonder, do you think Barry was inspired by the show enough to build his own underground mall? Because that seems like something you would do only when things got completely out of control, money wise. When you have so much fucking money, you're like, I have a plane. I have six homes. I don't really know what else to do. I guess I don't want to go shopping again. But that usually just involves a person coming to your house and bringing you stuff. But I like it.

[Michael Urie]

She cloned her dogs too. You know, Barbara Streisand also cloned. She has had like three or four of the same dogs.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, I would like to clone people before I would like to clone dogs because each dog brings something different to the table. But some people who are A pluses, I really just want to see them over and over again reappear in different lifetimes.

[Michael Urie]

Like young again. Like a young, you know, like a young Barry Manilow again, for example. Just as an example.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, perfect example. Exactly. That's yours. That would be your choice. My choice? I don't know. I'd have to really think about that and narrow things down.

[Michael Urie]

What would you clone?

[Chelsea Handler]

I would. Oh, God. Who would I clone? Well, I don't know. I don't know. I have to put thought into that. Cause that's a serious question that I just posited myself or posed myself.

[Katherine]

Maybe we'll circle back by the end of the episode.

[Chelsea Handler]

Maybe by the end of the episode, something will dawn on me. Something will dawn on me. But they. But like dogs, like, it also doesn't make sense because they don't have the same experiences as the. As the dog before them. So even when you think you're cloning them, they're going to have be a slightly. It's like twins. They have the same DNA and genetic composition.

[Michael Urie]

That's true.

[Chelsea Handler]

But they don't end up exactly the same because of their life experiences. So it's kind of a futile thing to do. But if you really liked the way somebody looked and the way that they walked and like those things. Yeah, I would go for it. That sounds sexual. And it is. It should be. So, Michael, with all these things that you do, like what? I mean, first of all, congrats on all of your success, because it feels really good to be successful. And I can tell that you are feeling it and you're having a moment. And you deserve it because you're obviously a really hard worker. I don't know how anyone does anything on Broadway. I have no idea how you guys do that schedule. Do you have to just give up everything?

[Michael Urie]

Kind of. I mean, it's kind of a. Even though this play is only like 80 minutes long. Oh, Mary. That we're doing right now. Oh, mary's only like 80 minutes long. But you do kind of have to plan your whole day around the idea that I got that thing later.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Michael Urie]

That's going to be a lot of really concentrating.

[Chelsea Handler]

And sometimes twice a day.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, sometimes twice a day. And actually, on this show, it's really fun. We do it at 5 on Saturday. We do it at 5pm and then we do it immediately again at 8:30, which is so cool, actually, to like, to do it back to back.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right.

[Michael Urie]

Because sometimes you do it at 2 and then you don't do it again until 8. And you're like, all right, what am I going to do now? I got all this energy and all these.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right. Right.

[Michael Urie]

Endorphins running through my. So stuff like trying to sleep and eat or whatever. But it is a crazy. And I mean, I love it so much. I love being in theater so much because it's so exciting to tell a whole story to a group of people in the same. And be in the same place at the same time. Because you make a movie or a TV show and it's really fun and it reaches way more people, obviously, but you're such a cog in the wheel and you're not really part of the. You're like a part of the storytelling. You're not part of the whole story. And when you start a play at 7:30 at night for this group of 900 people and you finish it together, it's so special. And you share something with them. And it's really thrilling because I always get kind of emotional about it when I'm rehearsing a play. And then there comes the point where you think, okay, we've been doing this in this room for each other, for the creative team, over and over again. Maybe the designers come in, maybe we do it. But then at some point new people are gonna come in. And then it's just gonna be new people every night, every time. And they're gonna have no idea what we're gonna do for them. And even if they know the story or they know the play, it's still new. It's a new version. And it's really thrilling to imagine. Oh, my gosh These people have no idea. We've been in a room incubating for three, four weeks. They have no idea what's coming. And this play especially. Especially because it's. Oh, Mary. It's about Mary Todd Lincoln. People know that coming in, that it's a comedy about Mary Todd Lincoln. And the premise is that she's kind of a belligerent drunk who wants to be a cabaret star, and that's kind of all you really get. And then the story kind of just like, you know, out of the. Out of the Gate is hysterical and crazy. And there are a lot of twists and turns out. And my character, especially Mary's teacher, nobody really knows what I'm coming in with. And it's very cool. It's a very thrilling thing to do every night.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, it's nice. I can see how much you enjoy your work, and I really, like. I respect that a lot because in order to really be successful in this business, you have to be doing it for the actual enjoyment of the act of doing it. I remember in my early career, I love doing my shows, but I would burn out so much that when I would be on stage doing standup, I liked getting off more than I liked being on stage. Like, I liked the idea of completion rather than the act of. And that's when I feel like I lost my. Like, then I had to recalibrate and come back and actually be so present and really have something to say and enjoy my time on stage. Not going, when is this gonna be over? Obviously, because that's like working at a desk job. You know what I mean? If you're gonna be in this business and you're a performer, one of the things you have to do is love to perform. You can't just, like, love all the other things that come with the recognition.

[Michael Urie]

Did that come around for you? Did you come around to it?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes, Yes. I took a long break. I took, like, six years off of standup after I quit Chelsea. Lately, I didn't do standup for six years. And that was a long break, probably too long. But when I did come back, I actually. It took a lot of nerve and a lot of courage because I had. Hadn't used that muscle in so long. But I was. I had recalibrated in such a profound way. I'd gone to therapy. I did all this work on myself. Like, I had stuff to deal with. And so when I came back, now, it's like, I'm so solid when I go out there. I'm so present when I Go out there. I'm never even looking at the time. You know what I mean? Like, I've never, like. Like, now I go over 20 minutes and I'm like, oh, shit, I gotta wrap it up. You know, so it's just a much, much healthier way for me as a performer, but that was also burnout. You know, when you do too many things at once, it's hard. And when you get successful, you wanna do all of the things that are coming your way. It's hard to say no to. Right?

[Michael Urie]

Totally. Like. Yeah. Can I ask you that? Can I ask you. I know you're interviewing me, but.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, this is actually an interview. This is actually my interview. You're interviewing me, so go ahead.

[Michael Urie]

Well, because you hosted the Critics Choice Awards this year. Well, I know you do it every year, but this year I was there and lucky enough to receive one. And it was right after Trump was reinaugurated.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Michael Urie]

And you went there with some stuff, and it was like. It was a such a dicey time, you know, like, everyone was afraid.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Michael Urie]

And. And everyone was like, what's she gonna say?

[Chelsea Handler]

Right.

[Michael Urie]

And you. You killed.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, thank you.

[Michael Urie]

I thought. I thought you killed. And, like, right out of the gate made, like, great, great topical. But so my question. Because I've hosted stuff. I hosted some stuff, too, and I really like to host, and I always think it's not at all, like. To me, I mean, I'd never done stand up, but I feel like it's. You're so. You have. You have, like, parameters and you have a script and writers probably, or I. I've always had writers that I've worked with. But how do you approach it differently than stand up when you're hosting something? Especially when, like, there's such a. When the.

[Mitchell]

When.

[Michael Urie]

When the news cycle is so crazy and you want to be topical on something like, you know, live television?

[Chelsea Handler]

Because I think it's like, literally taking the air out of. You know what I mean? Like, you have to poke the. Like, you have to, like, take the air out of the balloon. Like, there's so much tension. Everyone is. It's the same way I approach standup, quite frankly. Even though it's a totally different room and a totally different set of, like, you know, it's a totally different context. Cause you're dealing with actors and actresses, and the people are there to win awards, so they're nervous and they're competing with each other. There's all of those elements. You know what I mean? So you just kind of want to Be the person that sets the tone of the night. That's how I always think of it. Like, I'm going to go out there and make them understand that this is going to be fun. This isn't gonna be too serious. And I'm gonna say the things so that nobody else has to. Like, you know, I'll get it right out there. Like, it was the Blake. It was right off the back of Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds thing. So, like, I could not wait to say that line because it was so. It was at the height. I mean, I don't know. I think it even went higher after that because there was such a crescendo with all of that drama. But I had to say something about that because that, with the backdrop of what we were experiencing politically, just felt so inane. Right? You're just like, wait, there's accusations of sexual misconduct, but that's very blurry. And everything she seemed to be saying, he was refuting. And I'm like, wait, guys, we have a huge crisis that we're dealing with. Can you seriously get your shit together so we can fucking focus on the loss of democracy? You know, that was before we were losing democracy. So, yes, I appreciate the question because it is a different skill set a little bit. But the bottom line is, like, when you are hosting one of those things, you are the leader and the conductor. You have to set the tone, and then everyone will follow. Nobody else wants to be in charge of that. No, it's. You know, I used to be like, I'll never host an award show, and I'm doing it again this year. This will be like, four years in a row. But it's the perfect award show for me because it isn't the Oscars where it's really serious and if somebody loses, they leave. The critic's choice is more of a party, you know, it feels that way anyway, to me. Same with the Golden Globes. That seems like more of a party. But this is the question I wanted to get back to you about.

[Michael Urie]

Okay, we can talk about me again, I guess.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. I just wanted to ask. One of your jobs prior to booking Ugly Betty was medical marijuana testing. I tried to get that job, like, so many times. I'm not joking. Like, whenever there's this. You know what maps are like. That company, it's another company, no Maps. Like, you know, the psychedelic kind of organization. I'm going on a boat with them to Antarctica. So, I mean, who knows if I ever come back? But I'm going on this trip to Antarctica. With like a hundred people. And they're all like, you know, it's all about psychedelics and the healing effects. But I have tried so hard to be the person that tests drugs. Medical marijuana, maybe 10, 15 years ago, I was interested in testing that. And I'm always like, bring me the drugs. I'll do them. Because I'm like a horse. Like, I can take a lot of drugs and still be standing. So how did you get that job? And why. Why, why did I get.

[Michael Urie]

Was in the Village Voice? It was like a.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's why I didn't get it. That's why I didn't get it. Fuck. It's always the Village Voice.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, it was like. And it was always. It was a joke. We would always joke about it. Like, you know, they have these ads in the Village Voice. Are they real? And I just answered one. And actually, my good friend, my dearest friend and I, we were roommates, and we both answered it. And he had this kind of like, brain thing. It's not that serious. But at the time, he was, like, having some seizures and stuff. And so he did not get accepted. And he was so pissed because he had this one little tiny anomaly. And I did get accepted. And I would go in. It was wild. It was a wild thing. I would go into a hospital and I would sit in a hospital room. And it was a double blind test. So the person administering it to me did not know what they were giving me. And it was always a different level of strength. So, like, one time I got just high as fuck. And I was so stoned, and I was, like, loopy, like, rolling around in the hospital, playing with my.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's even better to be in a hospital. Another one of my favorite things is a hospital. I love hospitals.

[Michael Urie]

You love hospitals.

[Chelsea Handler]

I love being taken care of. I love when people are tending to me in a medical way. I love when I can pretend that I'm in pain and then they bring me something. I love that whole setup. It's safe because anything, Nothing's at work. What could possibly go wrong in a hospital if you're stoned and high? It's like, they're gonna come and help you.

[Michael Urie]

Absolutely. And she stayed with me. This. She was very cool. This lady, Young lady stayed with me. And she, you know, made sure. And she was sort of. And I remember when I would get really high, the days I would get really high, I'd be like, she's. I think she's. I think it's double blind, but maybe it's not. Maybe that's just what they say. And she. You know, I get paranoid. And. And then I would take these tests. So they would put me in front of a computer and I would take these, like, cognitive tests that were like, they would shape. Would pop up. It's a triangle or whatever, and fill in the blank. And. And sometimes I was really good at it, and sometimes I wasn't. And then there were days when it was like a placebo. So they'd give me a joint. I would smoke a few puffs of this drink.

[Chelsea Handler]

I was just gonna ask. I would be pissed about that.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah. And I was like, well, this is nothing. I can tell there's nothing going on here and I'm bored. And then I would not. Sometimes I wouldn't do as well on the test. Cause I was like, cranky and bored. And then they would feed me hospital food.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's where Uber eats comes into the picture. But you probably didn't have that then.

[Michael Urie]

No, this was so long ago. This is 20 years ago.

[Chelsea Handler]

When you say they give you cognitive tests, did they give you comprehension? Like, did they ask you to read something and then regurgitate it or, like, give a synopsis?

[Michael Urie]

No, it wasn't like that. It was all on the computer. I think there might have been like some word. It was definitely memory stuff, but it was simple games. It was never, like, read an essay and tell us what it was about. It was never like that. And it was all on the computer. So there was no. It was always multiple choice or film.

[Chelsea Handler]

Because, like, when I'm stoned, like, lately I've been staying at a friend's house. Cause I'm waiting for my house to be done and I take an edible, usually around like 6 or 7pm Just to, like, set the tone for the night. And then if we watch a show, and if it's not the most compelling show, she'll be like, wait, what just happened? And I'm like, I have no idea. Like, I cannot tell you what we're watching. I don't know what situation led to the situation we're watching. My comprehension skills are like. But if I knew I had to pay attention, I would. I just am in la la land. You know what I mean? Which is.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, totally.

[Chelsea Handler]

So I always wonder, like, I'm like, I should take a comprehension skill and see if I had to pay attention if I could under these conditions.

[Michael Urie]

It is true, though, it's true when you're stoned that, like, you don't remember things. But I have. I have. I have started well I've been doing it for a while now, but when I have to learn lines. Yeah, like a big chunk of text or something or a scene, I will do it high. I will learn it high. And then. And then, like, immediately when I'm high and I try to, like, if I say, will you run this with me? I won't be able to do it. But then, like, when I go back to it later sober, yeah, it's there.

[Chelsea Handler]

So you think learning it while you're stoned helps cement the memorization?

[Michael Urie]

I think so.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, I think so. Oh, this is a great ad for marijuana. This podcast is sponsored by thc, Indica and Sativa. I hate when people ask, is it Indica or Sativa? I'm like, it's whatever the fuck you want it to be. Mine doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you take. You can make it whatever you want. If you want to stay up, stay up. But people are weak. You know what I mean, Michael? People are very weak.

[Michael Urie]

You're right. You're right, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, we're gonna take a break and we're gonna be right back with Michael Urie.

[Katherine]

This week, we'd love to hear from queer couples. If you're a queer couple with a question, please write into dearchelseapodcastmail.com I wanna.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

Well, our first question comes from Mandy.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, Mandy. This is a BARRY Mandy.

[Michael Urie]

Mandy McConnell. She came and she gave without taking, and I sent her away.

[Katherine]

I planned that. No, I didn't, actually. So Mandy says my sister is getting married in September. She lives in Detroit and I live in the uk. About a year ago, I completely stopped talking to my parents. My dad was an alcoholic and my mom enabled him. When I brought this up to my mom recently, she acted completely shocked, like she had no clue my dad ever treated us poorly. I already was keeping a distance from my parents, but that moment of pure gaslighting made me decide to cut off contact completely. I've thought long and hard about whether to go to my sister's wedding, and I truly think it's best for my mental health to not get involved in that family situation. My sister and I talk regularly, but I haven't been back to the US to visit family in almost a decade, nor has my sister come to visit me. And I've never met this fiance, even on video chat. My sister has asked me to be her maid of honor. I sort of said yes, although I had explained to her that I would not at all feel bad if she gave the role to her best friend, since I wouldn't be there or be doing any of the maid of honor jobs ahead of time. I know that I need to tell her sooner rather than later. I'm just not sure how to tell her. My family has this whole Passive aggressive vibe. And I don't want to freeze me out because of this. My inclination is to lie and say I got a job offer and I'm not gonna be able to take vacation time in the first six months. But any advice? Sincerely, Mandy. And this one's just an email.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, Mandy, I'll go first for this one, Michael. Mandy, first of all, I think you have to go to your sister's wedding. You don't have to stay there for five days or three days even. You can fly in the night before if you want. If you want to avoid your parents. I understand that. But you said yes to your sister, and that's your sister, and she's getting married once, and, like, you already kind of committed. So, like, to say you got a job is a way to end. It's like a relationship breaker. Like, now if you back out, that's not good. You already told her you would do it. And follow through is kind of like 90% of life, in my opinion. I think you have to follow through on your commitments, and I think you have to take your baggage, that your family has your family baggage, and literally just be above it for the duration of time that you're gonna be home for your sister's wedding. Suck it up, demonstrate what a good sister looks like, and then get the fuck out of there. Don't get involved in any drama. Be a great bridesmaid. Do anything you can for your sister. Let her know you can only come in for a limited amount of time. I mean, you're coming from the UK right to America, so maybe it's only three days or whatever, but you're gonna feel better for doing it than you're gonna feel for canceling on her. That's gonna create a bunch of drama, I promise you. Michael, what do you think?

[Michael Urie]

I totally agree. I think you're totally right. I also think especially the lie. The possibility of telling a lie. First of all, you just. You just told it on this podcast, which is, you know, like, what if. What if she finds out?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, she's. This is a write in. It could be anybody. And also, she probably used a fake name, Michael, so that's that. So just cancel those.

[Michael Urie]

That's so specific.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, it is. It is specific, actually. I don't know why I'm defending it. I fucking say shit all the time that I think no one's gonna hear and everyone fucking hears. On my own listen to the show. Yeah, exactly. My sister's like, why are you talking about our problems on your podcast? I'm like, where else am I supposed to air my dirty laundry? But yeah, like, when you make a commitment, you got to follow through on a commitment. That's like being an adult and a grown up and everything that's important about, you know, having a good kind of moral compass.

[Michael Urie]

Yes, I totally agree. And I also think lying is. I mean, white lies are one thing, but that's a major lie. And I just think lying is so dangerous because the truth is always easier to remember.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Michael Urie]

And it's a long life.

[Chelsea Handler]

And also, how does somebody feel when you say, oh, sorry, I got a job, I got a job offer, I can't come to your wedding. It's like, that's kind of like a lame excuse for a wedding. Should be paramount to a job offer. Especially when it's not like, you know, she's talking about what sounds like a freelancer type situation.

[Katherine]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Anyway.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah. And you made a commitment and it's, you know, and take the high road.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes, your sister.

[Michael Urie]

You'll be the better person for taking the high road.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Because if you're the one who's a victim of gaslighting and you're like, I can't believe I was gaslighted, it's like, then you're a victim. Like, are you a victim? Do you want to be a victim or do you want to be, you know, on higher ground? Yeah.

[Katherine]

And you can even express your concerns to her. Like, hey, can we maybe make sure I'm not sitting next to mom and dad for a lot of this? And then also, like, make sure to maintain your autonomy. Like, it's easy to be like, I'll stay with a family member or my sister or whatever and ride with people. No, get a car, get a hotel. Like, make sure you can have your own space.

[Chelsea Handler]

And get a hooker, bring a hooker to the wedding. That'll be a great way to not get invited back.

[Michael Urie]

All right, Mandy, that's really good advice. Having your own car.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's such a good advice in general, in life. To anyone who's listening, if you can get your own car.

[Katherine]

Yes.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

That way you can escape if you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Need to, always get a car.

[Katherine]

All right, well, Mandy, let us know how it goes. Our first caller today is Mitchell. His subject line of his email is, I'm definitely the asshole.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hello.

[Katherine]

I'm a 36 year old man and I've been with my husband, 40 years old, for almost 10 years, married for five, and we've never had sex. When we first met, he would give me a peck on the lips occasionally. Never with tongue. And the only time he would try to do sexual things with me or even French kiss is when he was drunk. After about a year of being together, I started cheating. I was looking for what I wasn't getting at home and I'm 100% positive that I'm the asshole for this. I feel like a piece of shit for the amount of times, which I can't even count, that I've cheated on my husband. Him not being intimate with me is not an excuse for cheating and I'm well aware of that. I was attracted to him and wanted a sexual relationship with him. This is something I made very clear from the beginning and I always let him know that I thought he was sexy. I wanted to be intimate, but he seemed very uninterested in that part of our lives. I've asked him multiple times why and he says, I've just never been very sexual because I don't know what to do. So much time has gone by and now the attraction I once had is gone. It's taken away my confidence in myself. Not having someone want me in that way has left me feeling unattractive and worthless. About a month ago, I asked for a separation. I was so afraid to do this because he's the breadwinner. He does 100% not want a separation and thinks that therapy and still living together will work. But I disagree. I think I need to learn to be financially stable on my own and know how to make it in the world without someone there to pick up the pieces. I also feel so bad about the horrible husband I've been to him. I feel like he definitely deserves better than me at this point. He's my best friend and a roommate that I share a bed with. And an occasional peck on the lip to complicate things. We share custody of my sister's kids. I moved out of our house last week with my 15 year old niece and the boys stayed with him. So the question am I the asshole for wanting out of this marriage, for wanting better for myself from a partner and wanting to give my best self to a partner in return? Am I the most selfish person ever? I know that I'm not the victim in this situation and that I am the villain. This is definitely not the person I ever saw myself becoming. I was always the one getting cheated on and now I'm the one who's cheated. I love your podcast and enjoy the advice you have to offer others. So I hope you have some for me. Mitchell.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi Mitchell. This is our special guest, Michael Urie.

[Mitchell]

It's nice to meet you.

[Michael Urie]

You too. You're not a bad person.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, you're not a bad person. Stop self immolating like that. You're not a bad person. Your actions are circumstantial. So first of all, stop that. You have to start flip the script on that. Like you were in a situation that was untenable. And the reason, I mean, and it's very crazy to even hear and I'm sure it's not as uncommon as I'm acting it is that you were in a non sexual marriage for as many years as you were. Like that's not fun for you. And I'm sure it's not fun for your partner because he sounds like I have a friend who's gay who doesn't like to have sex either. And I just, I don't understand that because the human touch, even sexually, like, you know, people, people need that. It's like scientific and I can understand that. You're, you're a man, you have needs and you went out and met your needs because they weren't being met at home. So I don't think you're a terrible person at all. Michael, do you want to talk a little bit first? Like from gay man to gay man? Since I'm a woman, I'm going to come in later.

[Michael Urie]

But yeah, I also know that that's the thing that there are people who are not very sexual. It sounds like your husband maybe didn't feels like he has never tried it, had it been open to it. And that could be out of disinterest or it could be out of fear. But I think you can have a relationship with him that is non sexual. But that doesn't mean that you can't have a sexual relationship with other people that you know like, I mean, also like us gays, like things are pretty fluid often, you know, there's a lot of open relationships in the gay community and there's a lot of we don't have to subscribe to heteronormative ways of monogamy. So I feel like there are probably some boundaries you can set with each other. I do think, you know, I was saying this on the last person. I do think lying is bad because it's always easier to remember the truth and it's just like, you know, that'll just haunt you. But I feel like honest, frank conversations are possible. You're down the road. I mean, you've been doing this for so long now. So I get it that it's complicated now. You have kids and there's.

[Chelsea Handler]

And you moved out. You moved out.

[Michael Urie]

And you've moved out about a week.

[Mitchell]

And a half ago.

[Chelsea Handler]

So you've basically done all of the things that I would tell you that you should do already. You've kind of taken control of the situation. So what's the temperature now between you and your husband or ex husband or however you want to frame it?

[Mitchell]

Yeah, still married, but yeah, I think those. The situation's more. It's easy. I would dare say it's the best fucking divorce ever if it's going to happen like that, because it's so easy. And he obviously, like I said, he doesn't want to be separated or to get divorced. This is not the road he wants to go down. But I just. At this point, I feel like it's the right thing to do. And that's why I moved out, because I feel like I keep choosing his happiness over mine, which is that he wants to be with me. And I've said continuously throughout our relationship that he. If we don't make it or if something ever happened between us, he would never want to be with anyone else. It would just be me and I'm the only one he wants and all these sweet things. But I also feel like that's made me stay longer because I'm so afraid of hurting him and because he is a good guy, but I'm just not happy and haven't been for so long and I just feel like it's time to choosing myself. But even though. So with that I was like, well, I kind of still feel like the asshole for like beating all these times that I have and I should have chosen myself then and maybe not done that so I didn't have to worry about the hurt feelings that I would have for having done that to someone.

[Michael Urie]

Does he know about your infidelities?

[Mitchell]

He does not. I think. I do think that he suspects, but he. I think he just doesn't want to. He's. He's that desperately not wanting to lose me that he just. He would never say anything if he did know.

[Michael Urie]

And did you ever broach the idea of doing an open relationship?

[Mitchell]

No, because I. As crazy as this sounds, I didn't want that, but that's not what I want. I would love to be with someone who just wants to be with me and be in a relationship with just me. That's what I want from a relationship, which is why it's so crazy that I've done what I've done in our relationship.

[Chelsea Handler]

And does he Understand that the relationship is over now. Is he in any sort of acceptance mode about that? Not at all, no.

[Mitchell]

He thinks that we're gonna be separated, that we'll work things out, we'll get therapy, and it's all gonna work out for the best. And I just don't see that happening.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, well, I think, first of all, congratulations. You did a great job by moving things along in the right direction. You're not still living there. You've made big moves and that takes a lot of courage. So you're on the right track. Stop talking to yourself like you're a bad person. You're not a bad person. You have needs and they were being met, so you went elsewhere. Okay, so that's okay. I don' I think that it would be worth going to a couple's counselor therapist with him for a few sessions to rip the band aid off slowly and explain to him. Cause eventually he's going to understand that he's going to be happier too. You know what I mean? Like, he's going to understand the issue with your sister's kids. You're basically best friends already. That's what you are, is best friends. And you can continue that relationship once you've made a few things clear to him and that this isn't enough for you sexually. And it might be helpful based on what a therapist advises you to be a little bit honest about your extracurricular activities, to let him know how serious it is. Like, I don't wanna be like that. I wanna be in a loving, committed, monogamous relationship. But I'm not getting what I need from you. So this is not workable for me. And it's been so many years. I no longer even have these feelings towards you. And as difficult as all of these things are to say, I want us to be friends and raise these kids together and continue on the relationship that I think we've already built. For the however many years we've been together, that's what you have now. You're gonna be living separately, which isn't gonna be that big of a difference. You're not going to be a couple anymore. And like, I think that with the right therapist, like you do three or four of those sessions, it's kind of like exiting a relationship, you know, if you think of it like that and make your intention clear, I want you to be in a better head space about this. I think we should go to a therapist. And when you sit down with a therapist, they're gonna say, are you here to save the relationship or are you here to leave the relationship? You know what I mean? And you have to be honest because being lying to someone to save their feelings is not helping them.

[Katherine]

Yeah, Yeah, I think that's really good advice.

[Chelsea Handler]

You know what I mean? It's hurtful, it doesn't feel good. But it's like, it's important to let that person move on and start to heal from their pain. They have to understand that it's a real situation. And, you know, and if you have to, you know, I wouldn't say you've had zillions of affairs. That's not necessary. But you can say, yeah, I've actually had to meet, have my needs met elsewhere. Like, I'm not. I didn't get married to kiss someone on the lips. I'm so sorry, but, like, that's not enough for me. And I wish it were. I tried, I tried, I tried and it's not.

[Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

And I think, like, you gotta work real hard to forgive yourself. Even though if you don't tell him about the infidelities, like, you don't need forgiveness from him, you just need to forgive yourself.

[Mitchell]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Michael Urie]

Do you think he really doesn't want to be a sexual person or do you think that there's, you know, a hang up?

[Mitchell]

I mean, I've looked into like, asexuality and, and maybe thought that's where he was. I mean, he had been. He's been with women before, and then he had been with a couple of guys before he met me. He came out really late in life where I came out when I was 13. So the weird thing is I. I've never, I've never questioned a gay man's sexuality and thought maybe he's straight, maybe so that. But I. I've asked that a lot.

[Katherine]

Yeah.

[Michael Urie]

Did he enjoy straight sex?

[Mitchell]

As far as I know, it was good for him. I mean, I don't. We haven't really talked too much about that. But the. But with. Yeah, with us it's like. I guess that's the part that's weird to me. It's like the not getting or only getting sex or sexual things. Whenever he's drinking and drunk. I mean, drunk to the point where he passes out, you know, in the middle of trying to do anything sexual with me. Or the. Even the kissing is weird. And it's like, I don't know if he's just afraid of doing it and he's that insecure with himself. Maybe, I don't, I really don't know. I've asked Myself, all of these questions, but I can't pinpoint. And he won't ever say. The only thing he ever says is, I just don't know what to do. And I'm like, well, let's do this and try this. But he will only do this or try this when he's drunk.

[Michael Urie]

Was coming out hard for him.

[Mitchell]

That's the even crazier thing. His family is amazing, and they all were, like, super accepting of him and loving and caring and all the opposite of what the hell I thought. So.

[Michael Urie]

It can be just as much of a mind fuck as having to fight your way out, I think, because there's. I mean, this is like coming out of the closet. There's no easy way to do it, even if it goes well or goes badly. We're doing it every day in this society. You come out of the closet every single day. And we all have hangups. And when we're gay and we spend all of this time pretending we are not for however long, whether it's until we're 13 years old or 40 years old, that is a period of time when you are completely lying to everyone, including yourself. And so the hangups are totally natural and not to be ashamed of. And. And maybe, maybe, you know, maybe there's a world where he doesn't like gay sex and he does only like straight sex. But he loves you and he wants to be with you.

[Chelsea Handler]

The other thing is also, you know, you're not attracted to him anymore, is what you said in your letter. So it's like, even if he were to, like, work through this, or you guys would go to a sex therapist and they would try and help you guys, push you along a little bit further sexually or anywhere. Basically, it's your. You've lost your mojo for it. Cause otherwise I would say, okay, like, exhaust all efforts. But, like, that kind of ship has sailed, you know? So I would really just focus on the children, of course, and focus on yourself and forgiving yourself. And no, you're not a bad person at all. People do. That's not, like, the worst thing in the world. Yeah. I just want to give you a lot of love and a big hug and, like, you know, good for you for knowing that you have to choose yourself. Like, if you want to have a nice sex life and a real great relationship with someone, that those things are both possible, you can have a great sex life in a relationship with someone. So there's no reason you shouldn't do that if that's what you desire.

[Mitchell]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Handler]

Also, the world's gonna end, like, any minute, so you better get out there and have a fucking good time. You know what I mean? Like, enjoy your life. Please, everyone, listen. Enjoy your escucheme. Enjoy your life.

[Katherine]

All right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Mitchell, will you check in with us.

[Katherine]

In a couple months?

[Mitchell]

Absolutely. Thank you so much for the advice. I really appreciate all of that and the love. So thank you so much.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, big love to you, Mitchell. Bye. Bye, Mitchell.

[Michael Urie]

Bye, Mitchell.

[Mitchell]

Bye.

[Chelsea Handler]

Aw, that was.

[Katherine]

He's a sweetheart.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, yeah. And he. And also, it was so nice that he had taken all these steps. And then, like, usually, Michael, when people call in, it's like, I'm in this situation. What do I do? And they haven't taken the steps. And I'm like, oh, you know, well, first you need to get the fuck out of the house.

[Katherine]

Yeah, well, and part of that was actually an update. Cause he. We had, you know, I'd emailed him and it was that first part, and he was like, and now I've moved out. So that part was actually like an.

[Chelsea Handler]

Update that goes camping with all of our callers first.

[Katherine]

It just makes it very.

[Chelsea Handler]

As a preliminary. Exactly.

[Katherine]

Well, our next caller today is Emily. The subject line of her email is lying about having cancer. Dear Chelsea, my husband's best friend has been dating this girl, and I really do not like her. I have my reasons. For starters, she has lied for years about having various health issues. She claimed to have cancer, but then last year admitted she was, quote, unquote, misdiagnosed, although she only told that to one person and nobody else. But the secret is out because of how much she lies and how much the record needs to be straight about her. The craziest part is her boyfriend, dear friend to my husband and me as well, was recently diagnosed with leukemia. And the irony is chilling. She continuously sends Snapchats or group chat messages about her health issues, while neglecting the fact that she's a liar and also minimizing her boyfriend's issues. In fact, she goes as far as complaining about him needing so much from her and how he, quote, better propose after all she has done for him. It's really hard to type out all the reasons. She is a terrible person, but I'm hoping I'm giving the gist. She is constantly looking for attention and pity, but quite frankly, I have none to give. I've never liked her for many reasons and nothing can change that. I'm at a point where I wish I could say something to her about how I simply do not consider her to be a friend in any way. But it's tough given that her boyfriend is our dear friend. Looking for any advice on how or if I should communicate my dislike and distrust and disinterest in being her friend or just continue to be fake. She has burnt bridges and created a circle of mistrust around her that frankly, I do not wish to surround myself with. But it's hard to draw a line in the sand without communicating something for her to get the message across. Would love to hear your blunt advice. Emily.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Emily, how are you? Hello.

[Emily]

I'm good, how are you?

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi. Good. This is our guest, Michael Urie. He's here today. Hi.

[Michael Urie]

Hey, Emily.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, she sounds like a real pain in the ass. I don't like when women act like that. I don't like when anyone acts like that, but it's very, very annoying. I, I mean, I hear you. I would go, yeah, I would be telling this woman in a second what I thought of her. But for what? Like, what's that gonna accomplish? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's almost more important that her boyfriend know about her instead of her. She's not gonna change because she's got some problems, obviously.

[Emily]

No, she for sure has like Munchausen syndrome or something. And, and that's kind of like what my friends and I are just saying is like, it's not even about her anymore. It's more about like her boyfriend who is actually our friend and who we care about deeply. So I've, I've, you know, even before kind of chatting with you guys, I've been chatting with my sister in law about maybe just addressing things with him and just talking to him and being like, you know, I'm worried about you, care about you, and kind of just pushing, I don't want to say pushing her off to the wayside, but essentially doing that because quite frankly, I, I don't really care about her and I don't know exactly.

[Chelsea Handler]

You care about the.

[Emily]

Explain myself to her.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, And I, and I wouldn't like, like, is he on these group chats that she's sending?

[Emily]

No, not at all. It's just two girls. It's not to any of the boys that we're friends with, significant others or anybody. So I'm not even sure like how in the know he is about a lot of the things she says and does.

[Chelsea Handler]

And how does your boyfriend feel about broaching this object with the two of you as a couple? Like talking to him? Is he open to that?

[Emily]

He is so non confrontational. And it would come down to me being the bad guy, which I have. I'm totally fine at this point taking that on because I don't really care what she thinks of me. But at the same time, he's very isolated already because of, like, taking care of himself and then in turn, kind of taking care of her right now because whatever's happening with her and then just not going out.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I would have a straight up conversation with him and do it without your boyfriend, because he's not gonna be helpful. Anyone who does not, he's not gonna be helpful. No, I think you should go straight to him and be like, I need to have a real conversation with you and be as direct as possible and show him some of the Snapchats. Just be like, I don't care if this woman likes me or not. Like, I'm invested in you. You can tell her I did this. Told you I don't really care. Like, make it so that it's. You can bring her in here and I'll tell her to her face, you know? Like, your attitude is great because it is. You are caring for your friend. And now that he's dealing with leukemia, the last thing he should be dealing with is some woman who's, like, trying to get him to propose to her. That's gross. Yeah.

[Emily]

And just the mere fact that she's not even, like, encouraging a better lifestyle. Like, I don't.

[Chelsea Handler]

By the way, there's also a show that just came out with Caitlyn Denver or the one about the girl in Australia who faked. Oh, yeah, remember, she faked all of her illnesses. It was.

[Katherine]

She was like a wellness guru.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, she was a wellness guru, and she pretended she had all these diseases. It was just a huge show on Netflix. Fucking make him watch that. Go. You have to watch this with your girlfriend. Make him watch that show. It's really good. And it's based on a true story. There was a real woman in Australia who did this, and she faked all these diseases. And then she got found out. And. Yeah, that should be the first thing that you.

[Katherine]

So the woman's name is Belle Gibson and the show is Apple Cider Vinegar.

[Chelsea Handler]

Apple cider vinegar, yes.

[Emily]

Funny enough, one of my best friends watched it and we made the comparison of the situation.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right?

[Emily]

Yes. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So maybe tell them that they have to watch that. Go. Oh, my God, you guys, we just saw the best show. Have them watch that and then go in for your conversation. No, I mean, I think that's a.

[Emily]

Good starting point for sure.

[Katherine]

This Also brings up another question. When someone who you love has, like, a shitty partner and you want to hang out with that person but not the partner, like, how do you do that? How do you go about being like, we don't want you to bring her to the barbecue or whatever.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I mean, you run the risk of them, like, him canceling you out as a friend. But, like, I'm sorry. I feel like being morally, like, you know, upfront is more important than worrying about the repercussions of the truth. You know what I mean? Oh, I agree. And I think you do, too. And so I like that you have this attitude that you're not. That you wanna say something. I think you should say something. It takes. It's so much easier to sit back and do nothing and watch your friend just deal with this woman. That's the easier way to do it and to talk behind their backs. A real friend goes and tells her friend, like, listen, this is what's happening. This is what we all think. It's gross. I hate seeing you treated like this. These text messages and these Snapchats are gross. She's faking illnesses like, you need to wake up. You're sick, and you need people around you who love you and care about you. And, you know, what else are you doing it for? You already have a husband. It's not like you're hitting on him.

[Emily]

Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm 34 years old. I don't need more friends. If I lose one, it's. I'm doing it out of the goodness of my heart to just kind of wake them up, give them a little shake.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Emily]

And I'm at the point, like, I don't care.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, right. Okay, good. Okay, good.

[Emily]

I worry about my boyfriend caring about the divide it might make, but I think I would go into it with, well, intentions that it's like, if. If you want to cut him out, that's your prerogative, but you should. You should dislike me for what I'm saying. This has nothing to do with him.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, absolutely. Add that to the list of things. But I support you 100%. And please follow up with us. Let us know how it goes. That conversation goes.

[Emily]

Yes, I absolutely will. Thank you so much.

[Michael Urie]

Good luck.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, that's great.

[Katherine]

Thanks, Emily.

[Chelsea Handler]

Big stamp of approval, Emily. Thanks. Okay, bye. Bye. Okay, we're gonna be right back and we're gonn wrap up with Michael Urie. I want to talk about something deeply personal. My feet. Are you excited yet? I've been wearing ultra running shoes lately and honestly, life changing. They're now my go to for everything from runs to hikes to dog walks to airports, sprints, you name it. They've got extra room up front so your toes can actually spread out and move the way that they're supposed to, which is way better than most running shoes that cram my toes together. Plus the lower heel drop means your stride feels more natural. It's like my body finally went, oh, this is how we're supposed to move. They are crazy comfortable and yes, they help me chase that runner's high. You know Mama loves her dopamine and feeling strong and actually wanting to work out. So if you're getting into running, getting back into it or just want healthier feet so you can get on a feed finder, Altra is where it's at. Find them@ ultrarunning.com and use code Chelsea for 10% off your order. That's a L T R-A running.com. stay out there. Let me switch gears for a second and talk about one of our favorite sponsors, Vital Proteins. They're the number one brand of collagen peptides in the U.S. if you're wondering what collagen peptides are, they're essentially the key to maintaining a youthful glow. After 30, your body's natural collagen production starts to dip and that can lead to lines, saggy skin, and joints that don't move like they used to. In other words, looking older. But Vital Proteins helps fill that gap. A daily serving keeps your skin healthy, hydrated and elastic. It even supports your hair and nails. And because it's unflavored, you can mix it with anything. So your smoothie supports your skin, your coffee helps your skin, and your chocolate milkshake keeps your hair looking thick. Go ahead and get some vital proteins. You can get 20% off by visiting vitalproteins.com and entering promo code Chelsea at checkout. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

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[Michael Urie]

It was good. You give really good advice.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, thank you.

[Michael Urie]

And it's so fast. How do you come up with that so quickly? I'm very impressed.

[Katherine]

And she doesn't look at these beforehand. Like, this is all off the cuff.

[Michael Urie]

It's really good. You've really figured out how to like zero in on the problem and you're brave. I'm so. I'm not confrontational and I'm afraid of lying and so I'm a little bit of a noodle like that.

[Chelsea Handler]

But honesty doesn't have to be a confrontation. It can be like, you know, I have to tell you something. You know, this is what's happening. I just saw this happen. You didn't see it. It's about you. I want you to know that's a friend. That's not a confrontation. You know, going to that girl and going, you're a liar. You're. That's a confrontation. And it's also unnecessary because she's not gonna change. You know, she's got big problems if she's lying about having cancer. But anyway, listen, we solved the world's problem today. Things. Things are looking up, okay? We needed a bright spot in our day. I definitely needed a bright spot in my day. This was it. This is gonna be. When I write my three favorite things about my gratitude journal tonight. I'm gonna say, well, this is one of my highlights, having Michael Urie on the podcast. We had great callers, Katherine, today. I mean, great advice and good, healthy.

[Katherine]

Good vibes.

[Chelsea Handler]

Good vibes, yes. So. And I just am very delighted to have you. You're a delightful person.

[Michael Urie]

Yeah, thank you. I'm such a huge fan. I love this show, and I love you, and I was really delighted to be asked. Thank you.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yay. Yay. Well, I hope I bump into you in person at some point and we can have a nice, stiff drink together.

[Michael Urie]

Yes. Let's get by and forget what's going on.

[Chelsea Handler]

We'll have a joint. We'll have a joint together. Yes. Okay, Michael, have a great day. Thanks for coming on.

[Michael Urie]

Thank you so much. Thank you, guys.

[Chelsea Handler]

Bye. Bye. Okay, well, that's the end of our episode and reminding people we got a lot of feedback on our Yamanika episode. People were loving Yamaneika. Yamanika's opening for me in Vegas on August 30th. So if you want to see the two of us in action, we'll be there. Okay, well, we'll see you next Thursday. Bye. Bye. Okay, my remaining dates for Vegas. There are remaining dates for this year. Summertime is coming, and I will be in Vegas at the Cosmo doing my residency on August 30th. And then November 1st and 29th. November 1st and November 29th, I will be in Las Vegas at the Cosmo, performing inside myself at the Chelsea. It's called Chelsea at the Chelsea for a reason. Okay, thank you.

[Katherine]

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