Mahjong is the New Pickleball with Kevin Kane

Summary

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Dear Chelsea – “Mahjong is the New Pickleball” with Kevin Kane

Podcast: Dear Chelsea
Host: Chelsea Handler (with co-host Katherine Law)
Guest: Kevin Kane
Air Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, comedian and author Chelsea Handler welcomes acclaimed actor, director, and producer Kevin Kane, best known for his work on Inside Amy Schumer and Law & Order: SVU. The conversation roams widely—from the alarming state of straight male dating culture to Chelsea’s Instagram matchmaking experiment, personality types, behind-the-scenes tales from SVU, and Mahjong as the hot new social craze. True to the show's vibe, listener questions covering everything from dental hygiene in relationships to tarot card businesses provide moments both hilarious and heartfelt.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reflections on The Roast & Chelsea's Matchmaking Crusade

[03:43 – 09:56]

• Chelsea's Experience at the Roast:

  • Enjoyed feeling protected by the crowd: "I had never felt protected... I felt loved." (Chelsea, 03:51)
  • Preparation process likened to that of friend Nikki Glaser.

• Dating Dilemmas & Straight Men on the Apps:

  • Chelsea describes an experiment to set up eligible women with straight men via her Instagram. Discovered a lack of initiative from straight men, with many responses coming from gay men or from women on behalf of single men.
    • "I couldn't believe, like, none at all... a lot of eligible women, not as many straight men interested." (Chelsea, 07:49)
  • Kevin theorizes that men don’t put themselves out there in person, are possibly inundated by apps, and feel insecure.
    • "People aren't putting themselves out there in person... the insecurity of men is at an all-time high." (Kevin, 10:11)

• Chelsea's Solution:

  • Jokes about social/emotional IQ tests and "sending them to a doggy camp."
    • "Maybe there should be an emotional IQ test or a social IQ test… and then send them to, like, a doggy camp for six weeks." (Chelsea, 11:26)

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Personality Types—Type A, Type B, and Beyond

[25:14 – 28:46]

• The group muses on personality types beyond the classic Type A, using comedian Yamanika as an example of a "Mr. Magoo" (chronically disorganized) type.
  • "There's type A, which I don't think I am... but the whole Mr. Magoo, where you just have to save people from stepping off a cliff every three seconds." (Kevin, 26:16)
  • "I think the most irksome thing about any personality type is just someone who has no regard for other people's time." (Chelsea, 28:12)

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Behind the Scenes—Kevin’s Career & SVU

[18:21 – 35:11]

• Origin Story with Amy Schumer:

  • Kevin and Amy met at William Esper Studio and bonded through intense acting classes.
  • Their theater company doubled as a bar, funded by beer deliveries secured through Amy’s networking.
    • "She got hired by... Genesee Ale... and said, send us 35 thirty-packs next week... I have 35 thirty-packs coming, we have to come up with a show." (Kevin, 20:31)

• Landing SVU Role:

  • Kevin was a guest star arrested multiple times before becoming a regular.
  • Mariska Hargitay was instrumental in advancing his role—"she kind of put her finger on the button for me." (Kevin, 33:08)

• On Working with Ice T:

  • Praises Ice T’s calm, hustler wisdom:
    • "He's just at peace with the world and he's just giving you hustling lessons all the time." (Kevin, 34:30)
  • “Do you want to go home?” is key advice for efficient workdays.

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Listener Advice Segment

Chelsea, Kevin, and Katherine field listener questions—famous for honesty, humor, and actionable advice.

1. Boyfriend’s Poor Dental Hygiene

[39:49 – 44:24]

• A listener's boyfriend rarely brushes his teeth.
• Chelsea: "This is disgusting. It's not acceptable behavior at all." (41:08)
• Kevin: "This is like a sledgehammer situation... You can't soft pedal around this." (41:51)
• Advice: Confront, set clear standards (brush 2–3 times daily); bring dental supplies; don’t feel guilty.

2. Pursuing a Tarot Business with a Doubting Husband

[44:28 – 51:18]

• Listener wants to quit teaching to run her tarot/astrology business; husband is skeptical.
• Chelsea: "You can't let your husband's non-belief in what you're doing hold you back." (45:54)
• Kevin shares an acting teacher’s story: If you can imagine doing something else, maybe go do it—but if not, go all in.
• Katherine suggests business structure: email clients, set rates, treat it as real work.
• Chelsea: "If you wanna be a businesswoman, you need to act like a businesswoman." (49:45)

3. Obligation Overload: Nephew’s Overblown Birthday

[51:24 – 56:35]

• Listener resents being “roped in” to pricey multi-day festivities for her nephew’s 18th.
• Chelsea: "I think you need to create some boundaries. It sounds fucking stupid. You should pick one thing just to be a good sport." (52:48)
• Katherine suggests an alternate “just us” activity; Chelsea recommends politely opting out of the escape room.

4. “Sloppy Seconds” Romance Anxiety

[60:50 – 66:02]

• Listener discovers her boyfriend reached out to her friend first, now feels “second.”
• Chelsea: "Who gives a shit? You're together now, and you like each other." (63:01)
• Kevin: “Men could just be straight up dumb in opening situations.” (64:54)
• Both agree: focus on present connection, not “what ifs”—honesty matters more.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chelsea on the dating pool:
  "There's a problem with white men. Single, straight white men right now... all these amazing women... all can't meet somebody." (06:09)

• Kevin on straight men feeling 'under attack':
  "I want to slap a straight man who says that... I just want to get aggressive and violent with like, when I see Elon Musk on a stage..." (09:15)

• On new social crazes:
  "Mahjong is the new pickleball. Everyone's talking about mahjong... I've had to block them, all three of them from contacting me again." (Chelsea, 56:35)

• On working with Ice T:
  "A day to hang with him is the greatest thing anyone can do." (Kevin, 33:31)

• Chelsea on priorities:
  "I don't like writer's meetings for six hours... I like to have a writer's meeting for one and a half hours." (27:34)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Chelsea’s Dating Experiment & Straight Men’s Inertia: ~[06:00–12:25]
• Personality Type Discussion, “Mr. Magoo” Types: ~[25:14–28:46]
• Origin Story: Kevin & Amy Schumer / Espers School: ~[18:21–22:56]
• Inside SVU, Working w/ Ice T: ~[32:47–35:16]
• Listener Q1 – Dental Hygiene Boyfriend: [39:49–44:24]
• Listener Q2 – Tarot Business vs. Husband: [44:28–51:18]
• Listener Q3 – Obligated Aunt, Escape Room Birthday: [51:24–56:35]
• Listener Q4 – “Second Choice” Anxieties in Dating: [60:50–66:02]
• Closing Plugs for Kevin & Chelsea: [66:03–66:43]

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, sharply funny, and affectionate toward guests and listeners. Chelsea’s signature unapologetic humor (“Who gives a shit about Martha’s Vineyard? I wanted to get laid, you know?” [32:20]) is balanced by real empathy—especially in advice segments. Kevin Kane’s banter is self-deprecating and insightful, particularly on masculinity and show business.

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Final Word

This episode blends classic Dear Chelsea—zippy, raucous, and unfiltered—with surprising warmth and practical advice. Whether you’re seeking clarity about a partner’s weird hygiene habits, want entrepreneurial encouragement, or just enjoy raw tales from comedy’s trenches, “Mahjong is the New Pickleball” offers an engaging, laughter-filled listen.

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Transcript

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Kevin Kane]

Hi.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Katherine.

[Katherine]

Hi. Hello.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hello. I don't know why I'm talking like that.

[Katherine]

I gotta tell you, congratulations for an amazing set last night at the roast.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, that was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun at the roast.

[Katherine]

You looked incredible. The boobs were booming. Like, you just, like, absolutely crushed it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. My favorite part about the roast was that I was so touched by the audience's protection of me. When anybody went in on me for being old or ugly or. I don't think they said ugly, but whatever they said poor, ugly, or old, old, the audience wasn't getting it, wasn't into it. And I liked. I was like, oh. I had. That wasn't my audience. It was an audience. And I had never felt protected. Like, I was like, oh. I felt loved. Yeah. So that was nice. And I loved. I just loved it. I had the best time. I had the best time preparing for it.

[Katherine]

I'll bet.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'll bet. Because I had to run around, rehearse my sets, I had to get a spray tan. I felt like Nikki Glaser all week, going, incredible, getting. I was like, texting her. I'm like, I'm pulling a total Nikki. I'm like, I. But I Liked the preparation that went into it, and it was just awesome. So I had a great time.

[Katherine]

I didn't realize it was at the forum. Like, that's huge.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. It was. It was really fun.

[Katherine]

That's exciting.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, thank you.

[Katherine]

Congrats.

[Chelsea Handler]

It was really, really.

[Katherine]

So in case you missed it, go check out the Roast of Kevin Hart on Netflix. Should we talk about our guest today?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Katherine]

Our guest today is Kevin Cain.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, my gosh. You know him from inside. Amy Schumer and Law. And svu. Please welcome Kevin Cain. Katherine's obsessed with svu, so you watch out. She's gonna give it to you good.

[Katherine]

My husband and I have been rewatching from the beginning, so, I mean, it's

[Chelsea Handler]

kind of like, who is it? How can you rewatch from the beginning? Who has that kind of time?

[Katherine]

Takes a long time. We're on season nine, I think, right now.

[Chelsea Handler]

But how many seasons of SVU are there?

[Kevin Kane]

Well, I've been arrested on that show several times, so you'll see me a bunch before you get to my role now.

[Chelsea Handler]

Excellent. You were arrested and then brought back as a regular.

[Kevin Kane]

Yes, but I was never a creep, so that's the thing that. Let me come up with this.

[Katherine]

Oh, thank goodness.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. Kevin. I just asked. Kevin, this is my first time meeting you. Nice to meet you, by the way.

[Kevin Kane]

We've actually been introduced a few times, but I do this thing with somebody who I love and respect. I do you the favor of never talking to you and I and hiding in the back room.

[Chelsea Handler]

Wonderful.

[Kevin Kane]

Because I think I was around with you and Schumer somewhere.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm sure, because you and Schumer are, like, writing partners. I mean, you've written lots of things together.

[Kevin Kane]

Well, yeah. Producing and. Yeah. Direct each other and all that stuff. Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

So you guys have had a long

[Kevin Kane]

relationship, and I know, like, a lot of the comics that you know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Okay, great, Great. Well, I was just saying to Kevin, are you married or single? Because there's a problem with white men. Single, straight white men right now. And I was at a party, and there was all these, like, amazing women, and they were all just saying the same thing. Like, they're all single. They all can't meet somebody. And I'm just like, I don't understand how this is possible. And I understand, as, like, a strong, independent woman that men are sometimes intimidated by successful women. I get that. I think it's silly, but it exists, unfortunately. And I'm just wondering, when are we gonna get to a time where that doesn't exist? So I did this, like, dating app on my Instagram. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna start straight men to reach out to me and go through the possibilities or the prospects for women and start setting people up myself. And I'm just gonna take it on myself. I'm like, I'll fucking handle this. I can get the job done. And so I did kind of like an open casting call, if you will. And I said, contact me if you're really looking for a relationship, not just casual sex you're not on. You know, you could be on the apps, whatever, but just be honest about what you're after. And I have a lot of eligible women in my life. I know a lot. Amy's now eligible too. Not that I would ever fucking set her up with anyone. But I have a lot of eligible, wonderful women. Successful, smart, beautiful. All of the things that you would want. And please reach out to me if you're interested in meeting one of these women. And I got about 90% of my DMs were from gay men looking to hook up. And so I'm like, this is a fucking grinder. I'm not worried about gay men hooking up. It feels like that's happening in a very healthy way.

[Kevin Kane]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

But the dearth of men, straight men that responded. It's not that I have any delusions about the amount of straight men that are following my Instagram account, but I do. I couldn't believe, like, none at all. No. A few, you know, a lot of older guys, which is fine. I'm working on it. Like, we're gonna do this. I'm serious about it. Cause I really want to connect people. But there were so many women, like ex wives or daughters of men that reached out on behalf of the men, not the men reaching out directly. And then when I would be like, oh, there's a guy In Philly, he's 55. He's looking for someone between the ages of 40 to 50. Be pretty specific. Like, I have a big, wide net of casting. Be specific and I'll try to help you. And then we found him. You know, we found three options in Philadelphia to this straight guy. We send him three options, and he doesn't respond to any of them. And I finally, I have my social media team working on it, and they send it to his ex wife. We're like, listen, we can't get a response from him.

[Kevin Kane]

Do you think you were just an additional app? You think maybe they have. They're on three other apps and they're just addicted to scrolling other. They got a lot going on.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, possibly. But there's a lack of initiative and there's a lack of, you know, like, there's a lack of interest. It's almost like straight men, you know, I understand straight men feel under attack. I get that. And I don't want.

[Kevin Kane]

I just want to slap a straight man. Who says that? I really do. I just. That's the straight man syndrome comes out like me. Like I just. I want to get aggressive and violent with like when I see Elon Musk on a stage, like, I just, like just somebody just give him the biggest wedgie possible.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Or just humiliate him and like, just like.

[Kevin Kane]

I think we went too far with the anti bullying thing and just bully these guys. Just bully them.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

Just so we can all calm the hell down.

[Chelsea Handler]

He's particularly disgusting.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So I'm not trying to help those kinds of guys. No, I get it.

[Kevin Kane]

I get it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I am not. Because I have no interest in these fucking losers. But I do.

[Kevin Kane]

You think people are gun shy.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't want to give up on straight men is what I want to. I don't wanna give up on them. I believe that maybe there could be some potential. You're a straight guy who recognizes it. So what do you think the fucking problem is?

[Kevin Kane]

I think people aren't putting themselves out there in person and it's just become a habit. And you're letting people do kind of casual kind of connections and hookups and things like that. I just feel like people are just gun shy. Just gun shy from putting themselves out there.

[Chelsea Handler]

But do you.

[Kevin Kane]

I miss the whole app thing. I miss the whole like, lucky you. Yeah. Like I missed it by a couple years, thank God. Because who knows what the hell rabbit hole I'd throw down.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Kevin Kane]

But I think it's really like a eyewitness. People comparing themselves a lot. And I think the insecurity of men is just at an all time high too because that's all. All in everybody's faces all the time.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think that's a major component is that we've. And I understand. Like, I'm with. Obviously I'm with you and probably way ahead of you with regard to men. And I don't want to hear about them bitching about their attack. But I also have a feeling of like, Katherine, like, I feel sympathetic to a certain degree. Like, wait, I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are good men out there. There are. I'M dating a.

[Katherine]

Can I say hashtag? Not all men, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Handler]

Is that a hashtag? I'll employ that on my new dating app. They asked me this morning, my agents were like, do you want to do a dating show? I go, no, I don't want to do a fucking dating show. I just want.

[Kevin Kane]

But you do want to be, like, Instagram matchmaker.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't want. I mean, I don't really want to do it myself. I just want people to be happy. And I think part of the reason why men are, like, feeling this way is because they have lost their way and they don't understand how to interact with women. And I want to kind of help reeducate them. Like, maybe there should be an emotional IQ test or a social IQ test and see, like, what would you do in this situation? And then send them to, like, a doggy camp for six so they can train.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, I think everybody needs training right now. Like, I think that's really the most important.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. So that's how I.

[Kevin Kane]

Part of the process.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's how I feel.

[Kevin Kane]

Maybe you should put the training up front.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Well, I feel like if you're gonna contact me, you know, that that's what's gonna be required. Like, it's not gonna just be like, you're in. You're gonna be like, okay. And also, there's gonna be repercussions if you're an asshole about it, if you. You know. So basically, they're aggregating, like, 10 eligible bachelors. I'm gonna throw them up on my Instagram and let the women have at it.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And say, these guys are looking for love. These guys are looking for a relationship. You know, whoever wants them, wants them. Because that's different than putting up a bunch of women and then having men, you know what I mean, after them. I don't think.

[Kevin Kane]

I think a lot of guys I know, like, are chasing their time, Right. They think they don't have enough money yet. They don't. They're not at the spot where they're supposed to be to really put themselves out there, and it becomes this kind of, like, kind of arrested development. That's interesting in middle age. You know what I mean? Like, I'm getting clear of this. I'm just a few steps away from this. And they're not ever. Like, you just kind of have to give them a kick in the ass to put themselves out there.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, that's an interesting point. That's a good point that you raise. How did you meet your wife? Years and Years ago and years ago,

[Kevin Kane]

you know, I haven't told this story publicly, but she was making a film with her boyfriend at the time.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, nice.

[Kevin Kane]

And they cast me as her husband in the film.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, whoopsie do.

[Kevin Kane]

Nothing sorted happened after that. But we, they broke up, we became friends and then we, we kind of hooked up a few years later after that. But, but it sounds very sordid.

[Chelsea Handler]

It does sound sorted. And it sounds exactly like somebody would, what? Somebody would say if they did have an affair on set while somebody was in a relationship.

[Kevin Kane]

And if anybody knew me at the

[Chelsea Handler]

time, they would have believed that.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Handler]

But also, I think once you get married and you're married to that person, even if you did have an affair, who gives a shit? Like, you're married. So that's more important than a relationship. Yeah, yeah, right?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. But I'm like this thick headed Irish asshole, so like I could see myself just 10 years because just I want to prove you wrong. You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just getting married to be like, oh yeah. It's like Woody Allen and Soon Yi. Like, I believe they're still married. Because he's like, this is not my daughter. We were meant to be together. And it's like, no, it's your fucking daughter.

[Kevin Kane]

And Ted, like, that's just gonna be his last breath. I told you.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

Everyone loves a good power shift. Well, Netflix just flipped the ultimate script. In the new movie Ladies first, imagine a total ladies man played by Sacha Baron Cohen, who wakes up in a parallel world where women actually run everything. He goes head to head with a brilliant Rosamund pike, and let's just say, the rules have changed. It's sharp, it's hilarious, and honestly, it's about time. Watch Ladies First Starring Rosamund pike and Sacha Baron Cohen. May 22nd only on Netflix.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Kevin Kane]

We met in an acting program.

[Chelsea Handler]

Really?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, with the William Esper Studio.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, what's that? Tell me. I like hearing about acting classes.

[Kevin Kane]

Bill Esper was like this famous acting teacher. Like we got to work with people that he taught years ago, like Jeff Goldblum and stuff. So he's been around since like the 60s. It was like a two year program and you sort of like reveal yourself to your classmates. Like you just kind of get broken down like the Marine Corps in the first year, it's in tears and everybody breaks up from their relationship and like you just sort of bond.

[Chelsea Handler]

So you do it for two years. You have to commit to two years.

[Kevin Kane]

It was a two year Meisner program, so.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, that sounds intense. How old were you when you did that?

[Kevin Kane]

I was. You know what it was? It was like my, my, my mother had just passed away. I was in my 20s and I just was like, I was living in LA with a girlfriend who was in one of those pop bands and I was just like, I gotta get out of here. I came back to New York and I.

[Chelsea Handler]

Did you break up with your girlfriend?

[Kevin Kane]

No, not. Well, yes. By the end of the two years, they were right in their predictions because it's a thing where you, like, you're always having to be honest about your impulses and what you're thinking and telling the truth. All the time.

[Chelsea Handler]

All the time.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. I mean, like on the stage. So you're always conscious, like a process. Stop lying to yourself, stop protecting yourself and all that stuff. And so, so it just happens. Everybody's just kind of in their little protective womb and people would end up breaking up with whatever relationship they were in at the time. Also because you're in your 20s and everybody's an idiot.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right, right, right. I've never heard of William Esper. Yeah, I like this. I mean, I'm interested. I like to hear about different techniques.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, he was like the. I think he was like one of the first teacher. Meisner trained as a teacher, so it was like he started his own school. It'd Been there for a long time. It's still there. His wife runs it. And.

[Chelsea Handler]

And do you apply all of that work? Is that the only kind of acting training that you've done, or have you done other acting training?

[Kevin Kane]

I did it in college, which was kind of worthless, you know, but this is a very old school, like, kind of methodology that you stick to. Yeah. And Amy and I did it, and we applied it to sketch comedy. We applied it to everything, and it's always kind of worked for us. So it's been like a little trick up our sleeve.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And what was the first thing you guys. What was the first project that you guys worked on together?

[Kevin Kane]

Well, the first thing we ever produced was our showcase for that. For that program. And then we would do. We started a theater company, and then we would have. We would do these plays, and we would have the space for a long time and on dark days, and we were like, well, let's raise extra money. And we would throw these comedy shows. Because she was starting to do well in stand up. She was like, she had just graduated from doing those bringer shows, and she was starting to get to know comics. And then the comedy show started to blow up and. And Amy got hired. I think this is what it's like working with Amy Schumer. She got hired by, I don't want to say one of those beer. One of those shitty beer companies, Genesee Ale, or one of those, like, two. Do like a. The CEO's wife's backyard party. She did the stand up there, and the CEO had complained to her that all the kids were drinking, like, Pabst Blue Ribbon, and. And I don't want to. Whatever the company was. He was like, well, my beer's just like that and all this stuff, you know? And she said, well, you know, I have the hottest show downtown. Send us 35, 30 packs next week. And then Schumer runs into our next company meeting. Like, I have 35, 30 packs coming. We have to come up with a show. And that's how we started doing comedy show.

[Chelsea Handler]

Chasing Alcohol.

[Kevin Kane]

Chasing Alcohol. It was like 20 bucks. All you can drink.

[Chelsea Handler]

Love it.

[Kevin Kane]

Then we were able to get the good comics in that she. She knew. And then because of the beer, because of the audience. The audience was young. It was cool. It was like, just broke young people. And they liked the vibe. And then we were pretty smart. We took all the hot girls at Esper Studio and asked them to be out front. So then we'd greet all the male comics coming in. They're like, you got to do this show, you know, to each other. Then it started to graduate, and we. We had this, like, huge audience that. And so we were like, we should put our actors in front of it. And that's when Amy and my friend Brandon and a couple other people just first started writing. We would open the play with, like. We would open the show with a three to four minute play. It was really a sketch, but we refused to call it a sketch because we were artists.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes, of course.

[Kevin Kane]

But it was all comedy. And it was just. That's how we just started doing everything on the fly.

[Chelsea Handler]

I love it. What a cute OG story.

[Kevin Kane]

And then she. I think, you know, what's funny is. I think when she did. I don't know if she ever told you this, but when she did the roasts, the Charlie Sheen roasts. And. And Comedy Central wanted a pilot from her. I think basically they were hoping she was gonna try to rip off your show on Comedy Central.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

And she was like, I'm not doing that. I just wanna do what we're doing. So she pitched a sketch show to them.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh.

[Kevin Kane]

Which I think they were really bummed about. Cause they told her the show they wanted her to pitch.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

So they said, we'll give you a pilot. And then the pilot did.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, Inside Amy Schumer. Right? Yeah, yeah. And so. And you're also friends with Rosebud and Yamaneika.

[Kevin Kane]

Yo. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yamanika is basically my current project.

[Kevin Kane]

Really?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. She is on the road with me a lot. We're going away this weekend. We have three shows this weekend on the east coast, and she is the hottest mess around, as I'm sure you well know.

[Kevin Kane]

I know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Those are two other single comedians now.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

But Yamaneka, what's your.

[Kevin Kane]

I just found out about Rosebud.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I was supposed to see her the other night, but then she had dental work, and she's like, I'm in a lot of pain. And I was like, okay. Well, I wanted to go home anyway, so that's perfect. But Yamanika, I see all the time. So, like, Yamaneika is like a. We're actually producing her podcast. She's gonna have a podcast on this platform.

[Kevin Kane]

That's great.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Because she needs an outlet so she can stop doing live Instagrams 24 times a day.

[Kevin Kane]

Is she still boxing?

[Chelsea Handler]

She's doing something physical. I'm not sure if it's boxing. She's always trying to beseech me to Work out with her, but I have no interest. I know how to work out. You know, I'm not looking to get into boxing or throwing my back out, but being on the road with her is especially challenging because she'll, like. She doesn't understand where she is or, I guess, how to book a hotel room. The last time we were together, she booked two hotel rooms in the same city, but not in the city we were in. So we had three nights, different cities, and every night was off. So she slept in my bed two nights in a row. One night I'm fine with. You know what I mean?

[Kevin Kane]

Sure.

[Chelsea Handler]

In case of an emergency, pretty much anyone could sleep with me for a night. Two nights is, like, where things start to get tricky. And tomorrow, because we're.

[Kevin Kane]

And one more night, you're in a relationship.

[Chelsea Handler]

Well. Right. And also with her, it's like, I don't. Like, she's crazy. She sucks her thumb, you know, Like, I woke up and just look, I saw a giant baby in my bed. And I was like, oh, my God, am I a mother? I hope not. But this weekend, she's meeting me, you know. Cause of the TSA shit. It's all right. So we've got to really, like, be prepared. And so she's meeting me at my hotel tomorrow. We're taking a very early flight to get to Portland, Maine. And I was like, I always have to lie to her and say it's an hour, you know, earlier than it is because she's so disorganized.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. I feel like that was. You probably were not like that when you were opening for somebody, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Never.

[Kevin Kane]

No.

[Chelsea Handler]

No.

[Kevin Kane]

That's most people, though, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

I guess so. I think it's a certain personality type. I mean, what do you think? Your. Like, there's type A personality. Right. But then there's not. Like, there's not a type B. Yeah. It's just everything else.

[Kevin Kane]

Well, Amy used to, like, kill two birds with one son. Like, we. She would, like, come on the road and help me out with the venues, and I would be in charge of everybody. And then during the day, we would work on a script, you know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, wow, that's productive.

[Kevin Kane]

I was like, you know, for a long time. My traveling partner was Mark Norman, because she was open. He was opening for Amy. So it just seems like most comics are probably not type A. I guess

[Chelsea Handler]

what I need is, like, I need an outline of what the other types of personalities are. Yeah, it's like type A and then what? It's like when they say Third World country and first world country. There's no second world country. That's not a thing. And there's no fourth world. It's third world or first world. Like, I don't.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, but there's, there's like. I feel like there's type A, which I don't think I am. I think I'm more go at the flow, but you have to recognize the flow. But then there's like the whole Mr. Magoo thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

I can tell you're not type A already.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, well, right, yeah, but the whole Mr. Magoo, like, you know, where you just, you just have to save people from stepping off a cliff every three seconds. That's a type. You know, that is a big type. And they just find a way to circulate people around them that take care of them.

[Chelsea Handler]

Uh huh, Right. That's right. That is a type. So I feel like there's like a lot of. Catherine, this is something, a subject matter we should delve into further because I feel like there are a lot of other types of personalities that haven't been clearly defined.

[Katherine]

Yeah, I feel like the Internet is starting to say that this like the Mr. Magoo type is type B. It's like your messy friend, your type B friend on vacation is the one who like, you know, books the flight to the wrong place and you have to save them at the last minute. Like that's kind of what the Internet is saying is type B right now.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, but I, I agree with you. I'm not type A, but I'm not that right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I don't think I'm type A either. Catherine, am I type A?

[Katherine]

I don't think you're type A, but you do like things a certain way. But I wouldn't say you're like anal retentive type A. I'm fastidious.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't think I'm very. I like things a certain way. I also am type A when I need to be type A and then I go off the fucking rails when I don't.

[Katherine]

You have your shit together.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, like I'm. I'm very good about time management. I'm very good about other people's times. And I just like, I want to get this shit done and in a time efficient way. I don't like to like have a writer's meeting for six hours. I like to have a writer's meeting for one and a half hours.

[Kevin Kane]

Every writer's meeting is mostly about ordering lunch.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Katherine]

Well, it's like Fortune Feemstar told that story when she came on the show about, like, you had your first meeting with her. There were other people in the meeting, and then, like, halfway through, you knew it was a yes, so you just got up and left the room. And she figured that meant it was a no, like, that you weren't gonna hire her.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right?

[Katherine]

Yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

I appreciate that. Yeah. It's just so much.

[Chelsea Handler]

I appreciate it, too. I think it's great. I'm like, what? I think the most irksome thing about any personality type is just someone who has no regard for other people's time. You know what I mean?

[Kevin Kane]

That's unforgivable.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's kind of like what being late is. Even though many people who are late, that's not the case. They're just bad at their own time management, and it spills over into your time. But I really do think the number one quality you should have is to be considerate of other people.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, I mean, that's. You really kind of blow yourself up otherwise, like, somebody's gonna try to take you down.

[Chelsea Handler]

What, so you're from Philly originally?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. In high school, my father did the worst thing possible, and he moved me in high school to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yikes.

[Katherine]

Wow.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. And it was as bad as it sounds?

[Chelsea Handler]

A transition.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I've been in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, but I never went to high school in MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. it was like

[Kevin Kane]

my cousin Vinny with no comedy. You know, it was like that, and it's just a lot of neon.

[Chelsea Handler]

And. Were you the Vinny?

[Kevin Kane]

I don't know where I was. Yeah. I feel like I'm probably more Marisa Tome, but it was. Yeah. And I feel like slowly, like it's been a dragon chasing me. Like, I feel like the whole country's turned into MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. it's like I hear country music in a bodega in Brooklyn. It's not. It's not good for me. It's, like, triggering.

[Chelsea Handler]

Is South Carolina considered country?

[Kevin Kane]

Well, they call Myrtle beach the Redneck Riviera.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, it is the South. That's what I meant. I didn't mean country. I don't. Yeah, the South. The Redneck Riviera.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So did you have a girlfriend in high school that you left when you went to Myrtle Beach?

[Kevin Kane]

I mean, we was just starting to make that happen. You know what I mean? We were starting to get around that.

[Chelsea Handler]

You were really starting to get. Probably hit your stride.

[Kevin Kane]

Well, I was probably hit my stride. I come from all these, like, my mother, her sisters, their daughters, and they're all like, my mother's. They're wives of gangsters. And like every. They're people you don't mess with. And the. The most important thing for me was to keep it all a secret because they would just destroy you. They would just blow you up any way possible. So it was. It was very. It was. Everything was on the DL for me, so it was like.

[Chelsea Handler]

So do you feel like a Philly person, though?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, because I go back. I was going back at the time. Every chance I get, I go, you know, it's my. That's who. My family. Extended family.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

My brother's moved back to South Philly

[Chelsea Handler]

now, and it's cooler than Myrtle Beach.

[Kevin Kane]

Totally.

[Chelsea Handler]

Does anyone, you know?

[Kevin Kane]

And we worked in, like, a bar. My parents own a bar. It was like a Philly known Philly bar. And everybody. It was like a Philly thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's cool. And so do you still have family in Myrtle beach that you have to visit?

[Kevin Kane]

No, never.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, that's good.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. I haven't been back there in a long time.

[Chelsea Handler]

And who's your team?

[Kevin Kane]

It's all the Philly.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. You don't cross over to Jersey or New York teams?

[Kevin Kane]

No.

[Chelsea Handler]

Phillies are hardcore fans.

[Kevin Kane]

I have to. Basketball's in the family. I'm a Philadelphia Big Five fan. Villanova is a big thing. Most of the Knicks are from Villanova.

[Chelsea Handler]

And Jalen Brunson, is that right?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. And Jalen Brunson is a huge SVU fan, and his father is, too. And I watched his father play at Temple at the Palestro. Oh, yeah. So there's a bond there.

[Chelsea Handler]

There's a lot of people from my high school that went to Temple University.

[Kevin Kane]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

That was like a big school to go to. From New Jersey.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then there's that part of New Jersey where it meets Philly and everyone has the same accent where they say pantyhose. No.

[Kevin Kane]

I'm going down to Wildwood, New Jersey.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Kane]

My kid is obsessed with Wildwood. I have some family down there.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Kevin Kane]

I was baptized in Wildwood, New Jersey. Oh. Because my parents still wouldn't give. I was born in July, baptized there in August. Because they would not give up one summer in Wildwood, New Jersey.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. People are really, really into the Jersey Shore.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And there's so many different parts of the Jersey Shore. And there are actually really nice parts of the Jersey Shore.

[Kevin Kane]

I mean, I love it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, some of them are not nice, but, like, there's Like Belmar. There's some other places. I never went to the Jersey Shore. Cause I grew up on the Vineyard in the summertime. Arthur.

[Kevin Kane]

Oh, did you?

[Chelsea Handler]

My parents had a summer house there, so I would go there. And then once I was like, 17, 18, all my friends were going down the Jersey Shore. I'm like, I want to go to the Jersey Shore. My parents are like, no, you don't. You have no idea how lucky you are to be have a house in Martha's Vineyard. I was like, who gives a shit about Martha's Vineyard? I wanted to get laid, you know?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I was like, I want to go meet fucking dad.

[Kevin Kane]

I wonder if that would have been like an episode of the Walking Dead for you or something like that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, totally, totally. So how did you start on svu? Like, what was your first experience on that show?

[Kevin Kane]

I was doing well. I'd been a guest star a couple of times on the show, and the last time I was a guest star, Mariska directed the episode. And I was like, it was like this big. Had a spin out. I thought a guy raped my wife. I held him hostage in a bar. I was like, a big fan that

[Chelsea Handler]

guest stars as different characters each time, obviously, which is funny that they bring back the same actor to play different roles.

[Kevin Kane]

This was like three or four years later, and this role came up, and I think she kind of. Of put her finger on the button for me.

[Chelsea Handler]

She's awesome. She's hard to say, but, yeah, I mean, she's unbelievable. The amount. I just can't believe how many seasons Katherine are doing.

[Katherine]

I think it was 26.

[Kevin Kane]

I think 27.

[Katherine]

27. It's a lot.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's a lot to go there.

[Kevin Kane]

We're about to shoot the last episode of 27.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's a great gig to have.

[Kevin Kane]

It's a great gig. Yeah. You know, they. They. I. I'm working with Ice T this week, and that's like, in of itself. A day to hang with him is the greatest thing anyone can do.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Tell me about Ice T. I don't know that I've.

[Katherine]

I also have to interject and ask, does Coco ever visit him on set because he's still married.

[Chelsea Handler]

Those two.

[Kevin Kane]

Wow. She's the best. Wow.

[Chelsea Handler]

What a successful Hollywood couple.

[Katherine]

Who knew from their reality show to svu.

[Kevin Kane]

I think she still does this. Like, I think she types his lines into the notes on his iPhone for him every day. They're like, the best.

[Chelsea Handler]

Who knew that one of the most successful Hollywood couples would be named Coco and Ice T? Tell Us what it's like working with

[Kevin Kane]

Ice T. He's, you know, it's like every.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like, that must be fun.

[Kevin Kane]

The stories are gold because he's lived like nine lives and just in this business alone, you know.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, just on the show alone.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, just on the show alone. And, yeah, it's just, he's never. I've never seen him in a bad mood.

[Chelsea Handler]

Really.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, he's just at peace with the world and he's just giving you hustling lessons all the time. You know, it's just so. So I got. It was fortunate people liked our kind of rapport. And so we were together a lot and he just kind of schooled me on how to operate there.

[Chelsea Handler]

And what have you learned from him?

[Kevin Kane]

Well, you know, the first thing you do when you look at a script is like, see how many days off, how many are outside in the winter. And usually the acting advice or when you discuss a scene in the moment, it's really the single most important question is, do you want to go home?

[Chelsea Handler]

I appreciate people who get to work and are only interested in getting out of work.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

You know, like, I like that.

[Kevin Kane]

But I had this weird thing we were doing Life and Beth and like, I was directing like Yamaneka and Russell,

[Chelsea Handler]

which is a great, great fucking show, by the way, on Hulu, everybody.

[Kevin Kane]

And so I was playing like a kind of crazy character on that. And, you know, I'd have these mornings with someone like Cola Scolo would be doing a scene and then I'd have to van and at night be with iced tea and prostitutes. Like, that would be a full day.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. Do we have any straight callers today? That would be nice.

[Katherine]

Two straight women.

[Kevin Kane]

This would be my first time giving advice without any alcohol.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're totally unqualified. That's why we're here.

[Katherine]

We have tequila for you. I'm sure we do that. Speaking of drinks, our one drink question today is this is about a straight man, but not from a straight man.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, okay.

[Katherine]

So Nikki says, dear Chelsea, I guess my boyfriend of nine months and I are both 40 and I'm convinced he doesn't brush his teeth. He has fine teeth. They're straight. Not white, but not yellow. Sometimes, not always. Stinky breath. Of the times I've stayed over in all of the nine months he's brushed his teeth maybe two times that I've seen. I've been in his bathroom enough to know he hasn't changed his brush once since in the time we've been dating. And it's frayed and gross. His toothpaste is dried out with no cap on it. I couldn't get any toothpaste out of the tube when I tried to use it. How do you kindly help someone with this? I truly don't want to lose him over something so petty. He's the kindest, gentlest, nicest man I've ever met and I do love him. I'm having trouble not being so icked out. Help. Nikki, It's.

[Chelsea Handler]

First of all, it's. This is disgusting. It's not acceptable behavior at all. No. And you're having trouble. Like you should have been having trouble with this from the rip. Like as cowboy would say, right off the rip.

[Kevin Kane]

This is nine months in.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is. It's unbelievable that you've been able to control yourself for this long. I have a serious situation about oral hygiene. I brush my teeth. I wake up in the middle of the night sometimes and brush my teeth if I don't like the taste in my mouth. I have a tongue scraper, toothbrush, and dental floss. I floss probably three times a day. I know everybody doesn't do that.

[Kevin Kane]

Did you do that water pick thing?

[Chelsea Handler]

No, I don't have that. But I have a tongue scraper because my dentist told me about it. I was like, I want all the tools that are available to me. Having a clean, fresh breath and a clean mouth, because that is very important. He needs an education in dental hygiene. You have to get him crest white strips, first of all. And you have to literally sit down with him. I don't know if there's a soft way to say this, and I really, frankly don't give a shit because he's already crossed the Rubicon in my eyes. You have to sit down with him and say, these are the things that are necessary. I really care about you. And your hygiene is a nick. Like, you have to be brushing your teeth three times a day in the morning when you get home from work and before you go to bed. Those are the new rules. And there's no easement into this.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. This is like a sledgehammer situation. Like, this is not right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Exactly.

[Kevin Kane]

This is not. I can think of so many deeper things that you would think on paper that you could soft pedal around, but this is not.

[Chelsea Handler]

And it's really quite amazing that someone could go through nine months without saying anything. I mean, something might be wrong with you also for you to be tolerant of this kind of behavior.

[Katherine]

Even if we just go brush our teeth right now before you go to bed, like, let's go brush our teeth together.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I've also been through this with guys. I've had guys in bed who wanna wake up and fool around. And I'm like, no, no. I get up and I brush my teeth. If that's not a big enough cue for them, I tell them, do not come near me in the morning until you've brushed your teeth. It's just the way it is.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't have time for that. Like, you know, I'm a hot piece of property in my mind.

[Kevin Kane]

My wife's the same way. She's very.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. And dental and flossing is very important too. It's also important for, like, long term oral hygiene, like, medically speaking. So all of these things. Don't feel guilty about telling a man. He's just. He's like, uneducated and he just needs to be told.

[Kevin Kane]

Well, I mean, like, if this is what you've discovered in nine months, you may be missing a lot.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

Like, what else is he not doing?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Katherine]

Yeah. I knew a guy once, not when I dated, that said the only time my hands get washed is in the shower. Like, what else is he not doing? That you're just not picking up. On

[Kevin Kane]

my way. On my way here, I took the subway and I had lunch.

[Chelsea Handler]

I hope you brushed your teeth.

[Kevin Kane]

After that, I used hand sanitizer, everything. But the second I went down the staircase, I put my hand on the railing and my wife just screamed, railing. So I can't imagine getting away with this for nine months.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, this is what this guy is doing. No, no. I can't imagine tolerating it for nine months. Women, you need to speak up early and quick. Okay? Those are the rules. Early and quick. Because I think men are pretty trainable, especially when they're into you. You know what I mean? They are.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. And it's just even to make their life more peaceful.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah. So you can do it in a nice, caring way and be gentle about it. Obviously you care about this person, but you need to address it immediately. And you need it a three pronged effort. The tongue scraper, the toothbrush, brushing your teeth. Actually, you know what if he's not even brushing his teeth? Just start with the brushing the teeth.

[Kevin Kane]

Let's get up to like twice a day.

[Chelsea Handler]

Maybe twice a day, first month goal. But if you give him three times a day, then maybe he can start with once or twice a day. You know what I mean?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, yeah. Start at high.

[Chelsea Handler]

Make the expectations high so that he can meet you somewhere in the middle. And then also talk about floss. Make it so overwhelming that he has to cooperate in some way immediately.

[Katherine]

All right, well, our next question comes from Simone, and she's calling in, is

[Chelsea Handler]

this my sister Simone?

[Katherine]

It is. It is. You guessed correctly. So she says, I quit my stable teacher job to become a tarot reader, but my husband isn't on board. So Simone says, dear Chelsea, I recently quit my job because I couldn't take the super toxic environment. And, well, my passions lie elsewhere. I'm a mama of two, two years and six. And I'm a tarot reader and astrologer. For the past eight years, I've been trying to build a successful business. And sometimes I feel like my husband is holding me back. He's always been really supportive about my business, but he's the kind who likes to know how much money we're going to have each month. And even though he always says, I totally support you, he is always encouraging me to get a backup job. I know he means well and I wouldn't want my kids to go without anything they need, but I feel like I haven't ever been able to become successful because he just doesn't really think I can make enough money from my business. Of course, it's not only his fault. I have my own insecurities that hold me back. What should I say or do to make it clear I hate corporate jobs and don't wanna go back to one? And that my tarot business is my main priority? Simone.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Simone. Hi.

[Kevin Kane]

Hey.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi. This is our special guest. Kevin Cain is here with us today.

[Kevin Kane]

Hi.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Kevin. Okay, so first of all, you said something in that, like the second to last sentence, which was, what's holding you back is your husband's disbelief in you or not, you know, not believing in you. That's a crock of shit. Like, that's not what's holding you back. And you can't let your husband's non belief in what you're doing hold you back. That's ridiculous. If this is important to you, do you make any money from doing this?

[Katherine]

Yeah, I make a couple hundred each month.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, that doesn't sound like enough, is it? No, it's not enough. Okay. How much would you need to make a month for this to be successful?

[Katherine]

Probably a couple thousand.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay. And do you think that you can build your business up to making a couple things? Cause, listen, I'm into all that kind of shit. Are you into tarot cards or something like that? Most straight men are not into that, no. Okay, so I understand why your husband.

[Kevin Kane]

My wife does tarot cards.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, does she read them?

[Kevin Kane]

She reads them, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, she does. She's a tarot card reader. Like this girl. Okay, great. Great work, Catherine. Great work. And does your wife do it professionally or just.

[Kevin Kane]

No, she's an actress, but she does it for friends and family.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's cool. So I don't know how you like what building a business like that looks like. Do you feel like. I feel like, first of all, you're lacking belief in yourself. If you're gonna do this and go full throttle, I think you need to give yourself a time frame in order to meet your financial goals and say, okay, I'm gonna give myself six months. And if I'm not making two or three thousand, tell your husband to shut up about his feedback. You're not interested. You're gonna take six months, if you can afford to do that and see if you can make a business out of this where you do make a couple of thousand dollars a month and where you're making a real contribution. Doesn't that kind of sound reasonable?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. You know, we were talking about William Esper, and he used to do an exercise with us.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay.

[Kevin Kane]

And he would make you visualize doing something else other than acting for a living. And he would ask, like to be very specific, how much can you make and what would you buy with that money? Where would you live and what would you do and all that stuff. And anyone who had a very clear answer, he would invite to the door and says, this business is going to make you quit. You're going to quit anyway. So if you already see yourself not doing this, that's what life's going to bring to you. So I would just say to yourself, like, do you want it that bad? Is this the most? Is this your passion? If it's something you can't quit, then it's really not something. Then we're not even talking about that. So it's just really just about focusing on, I'll do anything to make this happen, you know? So it seems like you're making what, a couple hundred bucks a month? You're not doing tarot all the time right now, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I am putting in full time hours into my business.

[Katherine]

The issue comes in that, like, I have a hard time asking people for

[Chelsea Handler]

money, but I have so many people, like clients, and I do a ton of readings for free.

[Katherine]

And I think that's where my issue is.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I think. Thank you. I think that's where your issue is too. You can't do it for free. If you want to make a living,

[Katherine]

you need to pick up the book. You are a badass at making money. And it's going to outline for you how you have those conversations with people, especially people you've not been charging that you need to start charging. Because when you're doing something like tarot or let's say massage or reiki or something like that, there is an exchange of energy there. And in order to be giving out, you need to be getting something back. And if you want to make this your business, then you have to treat it like a business. And that's a good way to get your husband to take it seriously as well.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, well said, Kathryn.

[Kevin Kane]

I think if you know that this is you, this is who you are, it's almost like that exercise I was talking about. He was just really trying to identify the psychos. And that will never do anything else, then that's not really a question. So you can kind of give yourself a break and let yourself figure it out. And if you don't have it figured out today, it doesn't mean you're never gonna figure it out.

[Katherine]

Get on TikTok, because I see people coming through my Feed all the time that are doing tarot, that are doing like all kinds of different stuff like that they're doing lives, they're getting new clients from that. So like, I think that's like a good place to be spending some time and be consistent like every single day post a little bit of something.

[Chelsea Handler]

There's a couple of issues. You seem like you, what you said is you're having trouble charging people. A. You have to send out like an, like a wide email to all of the people that you've serviced and say, hey, I just wanted to let everyone know I'm starting to do tarot as a business. I've quit my job. You know, whoever knows already, it doesn't matter. You're just making an official business email. Consider this your first order of operations. Okay. You're sending out a mass email saying, I've enjoyed my time with all of you so much. You know, you can blind copy everybody. So not everybody's on the email obviously and say, but due to popular demand, this is really taking off and I have to start charging. So I'm gonna give all of my existing clients a special rate that they all have access to. So they feel like, oh, okay, I might have to start paying, but at least I'm getting a discounted rate from your new clients and your new clientele. And just put that all in writing. And the people who don't wanna come back because they have to pay. Great, that's fine. You don't have time for that shit anyway. But you have to get some balls for this. If you wanna be a businesswoman, you need to act like a businesswoman. You need to buy the book that Katherine mentioned. And once your husband sees that this is operating like a business, guess what? He's gonna be fucking supportive when you're earning money. Yeah.

[Katherine]

Yeah, you're so right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Are you ready to do this? I'm gonna do it. Yes. Formulate that email and send us a copy. I wanna make sure I get a copy of that. Okay.

[Katherine]

Okay.

[Kevin Kane]

And send me your rates. I'll send out some referrals.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you.

[Katherine]

Perfect.

[Chelsea Handler]

Perfect. Okay, thank you.

[Katherine]

Oh my gosh, you guys are so kind.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. Okay, bye, Simone. Good luck with your business and act like a businesswoman. Thank you.

[Katherine]

Okay, so Claire says, Dear Chelsea, my husband and I are child free by choice and have been together for over 10 years. We have several nieces and nephews on both sides. One of these nephews from my sister in law is turning 18 next month. He is proclaimed to not want to do Anything special to celebrate, but his helicopter mom has planned something. Regardless, my husband and I are of course being roped into these plans. The first part consists of an escape room. Shoot me on a weekend and will cost a hundred dollars each for my husband and I to join. The second part consists of a birthday dinner out to a restaurant that I don't particularly care for. The problem is it's on a completely separate day than the escape room. And during the week my sister in law insists on doing this dinner out on a Monday because that's the day of his actual birthday. So Now I'm paying 200 plus and we haven't even factored in his gift yet to celebrate a teenager who could give two shits about all this celebrating on his behalf. My husband thinks I'm crazy and that I hate his family. But I think this is ridiculous. The last thing I want to do after working all day is fight traffic to a shitty restaurant when my own food and my three fur babies are at home waiting for me. Furthermore, I love my niece and nephews, but don't want to spend that much money on a child that isn't mine for a fucking birthday. One of my dogs, sure, but a kid? No thanks. Why are all these kids so spoiled nowadays? Am I being selfish and a horrible aunt who should shut up and just go along with it? Or should I tell my husband I'm skipping the dinner and to hell with it? Claire.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi, Claire. Hi, nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. I don't think you're being selfish. I think you need to create some boundaries. It sounds fucking stupid. You should pick one thing just to be like a good sport. You should. I had this conversation with one of my friends yesterday. He's like, I just told my partner I'm not coming to any more family events because his partner's mom treated him like garbage and his whole family treated him like garbage. So he had more of an excuse. But he did create a boundary and it's not an issue anymore, it's become a non issue. But when you are in a partnership, you're married, It's a little bit different. These two are just live together, they're not married. I would say that you should probably go to one of the events. Whichever one you hate the least. For me, an escape room sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. So I would choose the dinner even though it's on a Monday, because that is his birthday. So then you were there for his birthday celebration. That's kind of all you. And you can be very honest I'm not going to an escape room because I'm an adult. I'm not interested in this at all. And I'm only available to celebrate his birthday on his birthday. So I'll be at the dinner happily. That's it? That's it? That's all you have to say? And you tell that to your husband? I'm not doing that. I'm sorry, you can go. But there's no requirement that I have to go to an escape room for my 18 year old nephew's birthday who's not even interested in having a birthday. Leave the money out of it. Don't even mention that part. Just make it about your priorities.

[Kevin Kane]

Okay?

[Katherine]

It's also, I just think it's like weird to have the escape room be a family thing. That's like the thing you send him and his friends to do, you know, like that's a teenager thing. Totally.

[Chelsea Handler]

And for further context, we've gone and done this before together too. This isn't our first family escape room event before. So I was kind of surprised to hear that on the docket. And how did that go? How did the other ones go? Oh, this was like several years ago. And it was fine.

[Katherine]

Like, you know, I think that was

[Chelsea Handler]

the first time I'd ever done it.

[Katherine]

So I was like, sure, I'm down for it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Why not?

[Katherine]

And, and it was fine. It wasn't anything that I want to repeat. But like for the one time, like

[Chelsea Handler]

that was totally fine.

[Kevin Kane]

Is he going to college?

[Katherine]

He wants to go into some kind of trade, probably.

[Chelsea Handler]

So.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Kevin Kane]

Well, I think just tell yourself, just in your mind, this is a farewell dinner. Cause he's gonna be done with all you people after this. He's not coming home.

[Chelsea Handler]

Sure.

[Katherine]

Yeah, that's.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's right.

[Katherine]

One thing you could also do is like, if you really aren't down to go to either one of these, you

[Chelsea Handler]

could be like, you know what?

[Katherine]

We wanna do our own thing to celebrate him. And like take him dinner somewhere where you actually like or go do something fun. And like that's his gift. Like it's an activity that you guys would like to do together. That could be an alternate plan or something even that he is interested in doing.

[Chelsea Handler]

That all sounds annoying. But also the other thing is, listen, the fact that you had already an experience in this escape room is perfect. You've done that. You don't like it, you don't want to be in that situation. You don't have to go like the dinner is fine. Just do that. And this is Your farewell thing. This is his 18th birthday. Be a good team player, but that's the extent of it. And be very firm about that with your husband and with your sister in law for sure. Because yeah, both is not gonna happen. Got it? Got it. Yes. Thank you.

[Kevin Kane]

How many 18 year olds are gone to escape rooms?

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know. I feel like escape rooms are making a comeback because I've heard that a couple times now. Like It's a very. 17, 18 year old. How old is your kid? Eight. Eight. Okay, so yours is a little young for that, I think. But adults, weird adults. I don't like when adults like shit like this.

[Kevin Kane]

No.

[Chelsea Handler]

You know what I mean?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. It's insane.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't like that kind of stuff. There's also like paintballing is the thing that comes before an escape room. Right. That age bracket is paintballing. Like 14 to 16 or 13 to 16. Is paintballing sometimes even younger? I also a very annoying activity. Yeah, I'm not interested. And then there's the adult version of all of these things, which is pickleball.

[Kevin Kane]

And that's so infuriating.

[Chelsea Handler]

And mah Jongg now mah Jongg is the new thing.

[Kevin Kane]

Oh, really?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Mah jong is the new pickleball. Everyone's talking about mahjong. I've had like three women in my life that are in their 30s ask me to come to play mah jong and I've had to block them, all three of them from contacting me again. I mean, the idea that people don't know how I feel about those things when I'm so out there about my opinions and feelings makes me feel like you're not listening.

[Kevin Kane]

No. Or they're just trying to insult you.

[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

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[Katherine]

Our last email here comes from Jane and she says you're Chelsea. In September my friends had a birthday party and I met my now current boyfriend. It had been two years since I'd had any romantic interest in anyone and I left the party feeling surprised that I had a crush.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, it's always surprising.

[Katherine]

Yeah. My friend who hosted the party knew I was into him from the jump and confirmed he had also asked about me. It felt like kismet. However, I was not going to chase any man, so I waited and he finally reached out via Instagram. We're dating now and he's everything I'm looking for when it comes to intelligence, career, the way he respects women and asks for consent. Even our first kiss. I'd like to kiss you if that's okay. It was so sweet, Chelsea. How do you feel about that?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I like that.

[Katherine]

You do?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. What's wrong with that?

[Katherine]

I feel like you've said before like ick, don't ask me, just do it.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no no no no no. I think it's important. I think especially in the time we're living in.

[Kevin Kane]

I'm just going to tap out cuz I work on his view. I can't make any consent jokes.

[Chelsea Handler]

I think it's. I think it's cute to say can I kiss you?

[Katherine]

Oh, okay, great. Great. So she continues and says so I found out recently he had hit up my other good friend from the party before any contact with me at the time I shrugged it off and was excited to hear from him. When he did finally reach out, I assumed his messaging with this other friend was neutral and he's just a kind guy. Well ass you me. On Valentine's Day, my dumb ass decided to bring it up for clarification. He said he was interested in her and had DMed her first first. But she didn't respond. They're a good match on paper, the same age. I'm seven years older and they have similar interests. Now I can't stop Thinking about him checking out both our social medias after meeting us and going for her first. I've been divorced. I'm a cozy homebody, but still love socializing. And I was totally fine being a celibate pet owner for the rest of my life, but it just feels icky. I know nobody did anything wrong. Everyone was single and transparent. But I don't know if I can handle knowing he tried for my younger, cooler friend first, even though it isn't that sloppy. Am I okay being second, Jane?

[Chelsea Handler]

What do you think about that, Kevin?

[Kevin Kane]

I would have to know, like, what's the connection like now? Does it. How much does it matter?

[Chelsea Handler]

I also don't think missed opportunities are worth being, like, upset over. Like, the fact that he reached out to that girl. Nothing happened there, so it doesn't matter. Like, what happened was that you guys connected and you're dating to focus on that. I just don't think it's worthwhile to constantly. Or to be looking in the rear view mirror about what ifs. It didn't happen. So he was interested. He's now with you. If you want to reassure that you have a commitment with him or whatever, that he's not actively pursuing other people or this woman or if she were interested in DM him back, would he be interested in seeing her? If that's all in the past, then you're fine. But I also just think it's really a waste of all of our time to constantly be saying, well, you know, he didn't like me more first. Who gives a shit? You're together now, and you like each other.

[Kevin Kane]

She's just gonna relitigate the origin.

[Chelsea Handler]

And also, women get. Women can become obsessed with this kind of stuff.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I feel like it's a very bad use of our time. Like, if somebody's not with. Like, you can't control the outcome of things, and if somebody's not with you. Like, I dated a guy who we met at this thing, and he ended up hooking up with one of the girls where we met after he and I had met, but it wasn't serious. And then we started seeing each other, and it became more serious. I didn't care.

[Kevin Kane]

Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

I was just like, yeah, whatever.

[Katherine]

Like, you're a little different about that stuff, though, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Handler]

But I think that's the right attitude, because what are you gonna do? You're not gonna control somebody anyway. So as long as you get a good temperature on whether this person is honest and, like, forthcoming, and you can say, okay, we're in something Now, Right. We're solid.

[Kevin Kane]

Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Are you looking. Are you actively seeking other people? Like, just let me know. No judgment. I'll just make my own decision based on the truth of the situation. I mean, men sometimes have a hard time being truthful, but. But they're also like, he already was truthful that he reached out to her when she asked him.

[Kevin Kane]

But I feel like men could just be just straight up dumb in opening situations.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is right.

[Kevin Kane]

So they maybe some obvious flare went off in one direction and the tension was there and was letting something else develop. I think guys definitely don't get it right off the bat. They have to process a lot longer.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I think that's a great point, Kevin. Actually, men are fucking stupid. You know what I mean? And you have to remember this all the time, because no matter how great someone is in the beginning, we always find. And this goes for men and women, you do find out that everybody's kind of like a human being. And men in particular, straight men in particular, don't really know their way around situations like this, and they kind of. Of act impulsively sometimes, just the way women can do. But men, for some reason, it just seems a little bit less sensitive. It can come across as, like, insensitive.

[Kevin Kane]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

And so you kind of have to give them a little bit of latitude. Not too much latitude. Don't get me wrong. Like, you have to call people out on their shit. But, like, he was honest about DMing her and that he didn't hear back from her. That's. There you go. That's a good sign. That's somebody telling you the truth. So that's what I would say to.

[Katherine]

All right, well, that's all we've got for today.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, well, Kevin, this has been great. I'm very happy to meet you. You seem like a really fun, normal, normal, normal man. I appreciate you being on here. Do you want to promote anything besides svu?

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah. We're rounding into the end of the season.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, my God. You can watch tonight on NBC or you can watch tomorrow on Peacock.

[Kevin Kane]

Peacock.

[Chelsea Handler]

And you can also see Kevin and all of his other work. He was on Inside Amy Schumer, Blue Blood, the Irishman, and Snatched, and Law and Order. So there you go. Just go off and have a Kevin

[Kevin Kane]

Kane life And Beth, let's see me with Rose Button, and Yamanika.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Life and Beth. That's on Hulu, everybody. Thank you, Kevin.

[Kevin Kane]

Yeah, thank you.

[Katherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Katherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

Changed.

[Katherine]

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[Chelsea Handler]

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