Minisode: International Day of the Girl: Ending Child Marriage

Summary

Dear Chelsea – Minisode: International Day of the Girl: Ending Child Marriage

Podcast: Dear Chelsea
Host: Chelsea Handler (with co-host)
Guest: Princess Mabel van Oranje
Release Date: October 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this special minisode for International Day of the Girl, Chelsea Handler and her co-host welcome Princess Mabel van Oranje, a prominent global advocate against child marriage and founder of Vow for Girls. Together, they shed light on the global crisis of child marriage—its scale, causes, consequences, and tangible solutions—and discuss how individuals can make a real-world impact.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Scope and Reality of Child Marriage

[02:47 – 03:26]

• Nearly 12 million girls become brides each year—roughly one every three seconds.
• Many Americans and people worldwide are unaware it's an issue that affects the US and not just "elsewhere."
• Princess Mabel: “It’s not just that Americans wouldn’t think about it. I think most people all over the world were ignoring this. I mean, think about it … every three seconds, that’s a girl, and another girl, and it goes on and on and on.”

The Lived Experience of Child Brides

[03:26 – 04:26]

• Girls as young as 14—or even younger—are pulled out of school, married off to older men, and sent to live with new families.
• High risk of abuse from husbands or in-laws.
• Early pregnancies are traumatic and dangerous—often a result of their first sexual experience.

Notable Quote:

"Imagine that you are, let’s say, a 14-year-old girl ... your parents have decided … you’re no longer going back to school and they’re going to marry you off to a man that you haven’t chosen, who’s often older than you are.”—Princess Mabel ([03:26])

Health Risks for Young Mothers

[04:26 – 05:16]

• Physically, teenage girls' bodies are not ready for childbirth.
• Complications in pregnancy and childbirth are much more common; maternal and infant mortality rates are high.
• Lack of access to healthcare exacerbates risks in many regions.

Notable Quote:

"Teenage girls who get pregnant are much more likely to either have complications … or in childbirth. They’re more likely to die in childbirth.” —Princess Mabel ([04:38])

Princess Mabel’s Path to Advocacy

[05:16 – 06:43]

• Worked with The Elders (founded by Nelson Mandela, including Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter), advocating for gender equality.
• The realization: child marriage is both a symbol and a cause of gender inequality—often ignored because affected girls lack visibility, voice, or mobility.

Notable Quote:

“These girls, they’re minors, they don’t have passports... Many of these girls...don’t even have access to mobile phones. So they can’t really self-organize." —Princess Mabel ([05:54])

Root Causes of Child Marriage

[06:43 – 08:58]

• Driven by poverty, safety concerns, tradition, and undervaluing girls.
• Families marry off daughters to reduce household burden or due to fear of social dishonor.
• The undervaluing of girls perpetuates cycles of abuse and limited opportunity.

Memorable, Emotional Moment:

"She said, I must have been between five and seven years old when I got married … my daughters were five and six years old … if in the lottery of life they had been born there, they would probably have been child brides." —Princess Mabel ([08:14])

Vow for Girls: Turning Weddings Into Activism

[12:11 – 14:00]

• The organization started from the idea that weddings—moments of chosen love—could help fund the fight against forced child marriage.
• Vow for Girls enables couples (and anyone) to donate or fundraise for anti-child marriage initiatives.
• 100% of money raised goes directly to impactful local projects.

Quote:

“What if the moment that people celebrate love under happy circumstances … we turn those moments into fundraising moments to make sure girls elsewhere … can also choose love on their own terms?”—Princess Mabel ([12:44])

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On-the-Ground Solutions and Programs

[14:11 – 15:52]

• Education: Providing girls with resources (e.g., menstrual supplies, bus fees) to keep them in school.
• Girls’ Clubs: Empowering girls to know their rights and collectively advocate for themselves and peers.
• Sexuality Education: Teaching girls how to avoid pregnancy and understand bodily autonomy.
• Community Engagement: Changing norms by educating fathers and leaders.

Notable Story:

“I met … this group of girls and they had found out that one of them was going to be married off. They collectively went to the father … and managed to convince him to keep the girl out of marriage for another couple of years.” —Princess Mabel ([14:56])

Key Quote:

“What you see is that you then get entire communities who … are now like, no, we do not marry our girls anymore before they’re 16 or before they’re 18. And they take so much pride in that.” —Princess Mabel ([15:52])

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Impact, Legal Progress, and Continuing Challenges

[16:57 – 19:16]

• Global Progress: In 15 years, proportion of girls married before 18 has dropped from 1-in-4 to 1-in-5.
• Legal Changes: More countries now have clear minimum ages for marriage (18+); more have child marriage prevention policies.
• United States: Over 25,000 girls marry under 18 annually; only 10 states ban it outright (18+ with no exceptions).

Notable Quotes:

“…Until about five or six years ago, in every state you could get married before the age of 18—either because there’s no minimum law at all … or they would have exceptions. … We do not trust … young people … to vote until they’re 18 … but for child marriage it would be okay? Doesn’t make sense. That’s crazy.” —Princess Mabel ([18:17])

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Ways Listeners Can Help

[19:16 – 20:55]

• Donate: Support Vow for Girls—every cent goes directly to projects.
• Advocate: Contact state and federal lawmakers; urge them to set 18 as the minimum marriage age without exceptions.
• Get Informed: Organizations like Unchained At Last provide state-by-state updates and advocacy tools.
• Community Engagement: Spread awareness and talk about the issue.

Quote:

“We can all make a difference, but nobody can do it alone. … If you believe that it’s important that laws get changed in the United States … write to your governor or your congressman … urge them to change that.” —Princess Mabel ([19:26])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Only men have to be told by the government not to marry actual children.” —Chelsea Handler ([06:49])
• “It’s wrong that the place where you were born, that your geography would define your destiny in life … everybody deserves equal opportunities.” —Princess Mabel ([08:37])
• “We’ll link in the description to Vow for Girls and Unchained as well.” —Chelsea Handler ([20:51])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:47] – Introduction to the child marriage crisis
• [03:26] – Lived experience of young brides
• [04:26] – Health risks for young mothers
• [05:23] – Princess Mabel’s journey and The Elders
• [06:43] – Underlying causes of child marriage
• [12:11] – Founding story of Vow for Girls
• [14:11] – On-the-ground interventions
• [15:52] – Community transformation and pride
• [16:57] – Global and US legal progress
• [19:16] – How listeners can take action

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Tone and Style

The conversation seamlessly blends seriousness and urgency with Chelsea Handler’s unmistakable wit and directness, making a difficult subject matter both accessible and compelling. Princess Mabel’s sincerity and emotional connection to the cause are evident throughout, making the episode both educational and deeply moving.

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Additional Resources

• Vow for Girls: vowforgirls.org
• Unchained At Last: unchainedatlast.org

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Summary prepared for those seeking insights and actions on ending child marriage, highlighting both sobering statistics and inspiring stories of change.

Transcript

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[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Hi there.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks for being with us today. We're sitting here with Princess Mabel von Naranja. Did I say your name correctly?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Pretty well, oh, okay.

[Podcast Host]

Well, yeah, I'm an American, so, you know, you got to cut me some slack. We're under a lot of pressure these days. Thank you so much for being with us today.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Very nice to be with you, Chelsea. Really, really lovely.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wonderful. Okay, so this is great. This is gonna be a nice educational episode for our listeners. Since many people aren't aware there's actually a child marriage crisis all around the world, including here in the United States. So our guest today is here to talk about that for International Day of the Girl, which is tomorrow. We wanted to shed some light on this issue and we have somebody who knows a lot about it. So let's discuss. It says that nearly 12 million girls become brides each year, which means that every three seconds a girl is forced into marriage. I would presume that most Americans would never think that that's happening in this country.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

It's not just that Americans wouldn't think about it. I think most people all over the world were ignoring this. And I mean, think about it. The girl, every three seconds, that's a girl and another girl, and it goes on and on and on. And this is incredibly damaging. So it's a huge problem. But this, imagine that you are, let's say, a 14 year old girl, whether you're growing up in the US or whether you're growing up in Latin America or in Africa. One day you come out of school and basically your parents have decided that you're no longer going back to school and they're going to marry you off to a man that you haven't chosen who's often a bit older than you are. And you're basically shipped off to go live with his family. And these girls then often end up being, you know, abused either by their in laws or by their husbands. And also these are girls that often for them, their wedding night is not a happy event. Their wedding night might be the night when they get pregnant while they are physically children themselves. Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Can you talk a little bit about some of the health risks to younger girls who do get pregnant and like, what that can do to their bodies or why their bodies are not prepared for that?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Yeah, I mean, we all remember when we were, you know, teenagers, we might already get our period and things, but we're physically still, still children in a way. And so what you see is that teenagers, girls who get pregnant are much more likely to either have complications when they're pregnant or in childbirth. They're more likely to die in childbirth. But also what we see happening is that their Babies are much less likely to survive the first year of life. And many of these child brides live in places where you don't have good health services. So if they get complications, they can't go to a hospital or to a clinic to get supported.

[Podcast Host]

Can I just ask you how you got. I know you've worked with Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela, and how did you get involved in this work?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

So I was very lucky, like you say, Chelsea, to work with a group called the Elders, which Nelson Mandela had created. And it's a group of former heads of government and former UN Secretary generals, really eminent individuals, including President Jimmy Carter was a member of this group. And they wanted to work on gender inequality. They were saying that the fact that men and women are not equals is one of the biggest injustices of our times. And not only that, it's also kind of stupid because if we want to get out of poverty, women have to play their role. It's often women who lift their families out of poverty. And so they then started looking at what's happening. And we then came across the issue of child marriage. And the issue of child marriage was, on the one hand, the two words child marriage say it all. And everybody realizes this is not okay. But at the same time, the world was basically not paying attention. And I think that to a large extent, that is because these girls, they're minors, they don't often have passports. Many of these girls don't speak English. A lot of them in places like Africa and Asia don't even have access to mobile phones. And so these girls can't really self organize. They do not realize that what is happening here is, is actually not normal and that it should stop and that it's not good for them if it stops, but it's also good for their families.

[Podcast Host]

And to be clear, this is a very male problem. It's not like women are looking at young girls and saying, let's marry these girls off, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Like only men have to be told by the government not to marry actual children.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

You're right. It's often the fathers or the community as a whole that drives this. And it's sometimes done because of poverty. You know, if you are really poor and you marry your daughter off, you have one less mouth to feed. It's sometimes done because of sexual safety, because the fear that if your daughter isn't married by a certain age, a man might misuse her and then, you know, she kind of dishonors herself and the family. It's sometimes done because of tradition. People just Think like this is normal. So they keep doing it. And it's always done in a way because girls are looked upon as being less than men and you know, less valuable. And so you can do this with them. And I think, I mean for me, one of the. So when the elders wanted to take this on, one of the places where I went was to Ethiopia and Africa to learn about this much more. And I'll never forget, at some point I sat down with a group in northern Ethiopia where four out of every five girls are married once they're 18. And I sat down with this group of married girls, young girls, and I asked the girl next to me, how old when you got married? And she looked at me and she said, well, I don't really know because I don't have a birth certificate. So many girls who get bored, people don't register them because it's oh, a girl, we don't need to register her. But she said, I must have been between five and seven years old when I got married and I was sitting there and I mean, I still get emotional when I think about it because at that time my daughters were five and six years old and I realized that if in the lottery of life they had been born there, they would probably have been child brides. And this is one of the things that drives me in everything I do, this idea that it's wrong that the place where you were born, that your geography would define your destiny in life, you know, the opportunities you get. I mean I strongly, strongly believe that everybody deserves equal opportunities and that's why I'm so passionate working on this issue.

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[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

That's correct. So you know I've been then for the last 15 years been working to end child marriage because yes, it's a sad problem. But the good news is that there is a lot that we can do in order to actually keep girls in school, to make sure that communities realize that when you give the girls the rights they deserve, you know, that is good. Not just that. That is good. Not just for the girls, but for the communities. And so we realized we need to get more money to local organizations, communities in Latin America, in Africa and Asia, that work to change this and to mobilize that money. One day, I was going to a wedding of friends, and you know how it goes when you go to a wedding week before and you get a panic. What should I wear, you know, and what should I buy for the couple? And so I went to their wedding website, and, you know, they had, like, many, you know, a wedding list where, you know, you can buy china and glass and I don't know what. And they said, or alternatively, give money to. They had chosen a good cause. And that, for me, was a light bulb moment. I thought, like, wait, what if the moment that people celebrate love under happy circumstances, people who chose each other, and they're like, okay, yes, I want to share my life with you. What if we turn those moments into fundraising moments to make sure that girls elsewhere in the world can also choose love on their own terms? And so that's where Vow for Girls was born. And of course, it's not just only people who are getting married who can contribute. I mean, basically anybody can contribute to Vow for Girls. And the beauty of it all is that 100% of the money we raise goes to the projects on the ground. And I've seen with my own eyes how very small amounts of money can make a huge difference for girls.

[Chelsea Handler]

And I'm curious, you know, some of those organizations that are boots on the ground in these various locations, like, what are. What are some of the things that they're doing? Are they promoting education? Like, what are some of the programs?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Promoting education is definitely one. Sometimes girls don't go to school because they don't have menstrual hygiene, pets, et cetera. So sometimes it's an intervention like that that helps to keep girls in school, or it is making sure that the bus fee can be paid so that she doesn't have to walk alone along dangerous roads. A lot of the projects, what we see is basically helping girls bring them together in girls clubs where they learn about their rights. I mean, I've met so many girls who did not realize that they're equal to boys, that they have rights, that they should have choice in life. And that's incredibly empowering for girls. So, you know, I met, for example, this group of girls and they had found out that one of them was going to be married off. And so they then collectively went to the father of the girl who was going to be married off and they told him about their rights and about that it was wiser to keep the girl in school. And they managed to convince the father that indeed they should keep the girl out of marriage for another couple of years. I've also seen places where they do education around sexuality helping. I mean, I've done too many girls in the world who are told that they should not get pregnant, but who do not know how you get pregnant. And I mean, if you don't know how to avoid pregnancy, of course, then you might end up with an early pregnancy and then end up being very married off. Sometimes it's working with the fathers, helping them to understand that what might seem the right thing to do is actually not a wise thing to do. Marrying their daughters off. And then what you see is this spreads like, you know, like. I don't know how you say this in English. I'm sorry.

[Chelsea Handler]

It spreads like wildfire, basically.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Wildfire. There you go. And so what you see is that you then get entire communities who first where everybody's like, of course, in our community, girls are married by the age of 16. They're now like, no, no, no, we do not marry our girls anymore before they're 16 or before they're 18. And so they take so much pride in that.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's amazing.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

And that in the end benefits the boys and the men as well.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I remember a few years ago reading in that book Half the Sky, it was so amazing to me to read that when you invest in women, whether that's education or, you know, small loans for businesses or that sort of thing, it benefits the entire community in such a more Dr. Than if you invest just like generally in the community, because women are reinvesting in their community. They're raising people who are more educated because they have an education. And the cycle really continues when you educate and help women and support women.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, I think you covered a couple of these questions, but I was wondering if you could share with us some of the wins that your organization has had. Have you been able to change laws anywhere?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

So we have seen in the last 15 years. I think the biggest win is that the issue of child marriage is now widely recognized as a problem. And I think because if you have a problem but you don't recognize it as a problem, you can't start solving it. So I think that in a way is the biggest win then what we have seen is that there are more countries that have now laws that make it very clear 18 is the minimum age of marriage. We also see more countries that have policies now that say, okay, this is what we're actually going to do in order to keep girls out of marriage. And so worldwide, we have seen the decrease worldwide before, one out of every four girls would get married before 18. That is now gone down to one out of five girls. So that is real progress. And if you look at the United States, what is very interesting, and when we started working on this, I hadn't realized that child marriage was also an issue in Europe and in the United States. But you see how sometimes our preconceptions can be completely wrong. What is very interesting that the total number of child brides in the United States is not as big as for example, in India where it's Every year about 3 million girls get married. I mean in the United States it's much less. It's I believe around 25,000. But what was strange in the United States until about five or six years ago, in every state you could get married before the age of 18 either because there's no minimum law at all. So girls as young as two could get married, also boys, but it's often the girls it happens to or they would have a minimum age, but it wouldn't be 18, let's say 14 or 15, or they would have 18 as minimum age. But they would say there can be exceptions. If the parents agree or if the judge agrees, then it's okay. And I of course don't get this because we do not trust in America, young people are not allowed to vote until they're 18 because apparently we think they're not wise enough to do that. American people, young people are not allowed to drink until they're, I think it's 18, you know, you're not allowed to drink or.

[Chelsea Handler]

21. Yeah, 21, yeah.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

And so all these things, you're considered too young to do them until you're 18 or even older. But for child marriage it would be okay. I mean that's. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. That's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you for all of the work that you're doing. I mean, it's incredible. I mean to take all of this on, it's so necessary. So how can people, can people donate to vow for girls?

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Absolutely. I mean, look, my experience with all the change making work that I've done in my life is that we can all make a difference, but nobody can do it alone. So on this issue, part of what we need is funding. And especially in a time where, you know, governments are decreasing, including in the United States, USAID has ceased to exist. So when money actually is going down for these things, I think we as ordinary humans need to step up and help to make sure that financing continues to go to these young girls. So, yes, please give to Vow for Girls, and we make sure that that money really arrives with good local organizations that do the work. And the other thing is, if you believe that it's important that laws get changed in the United States, we have now an increasing number of states where laws have been changed to make sure that 18 is the minimum age of marriage and no exceptions. But that is only, I believe, in about 10 states so far. So I would highly recommend that if you want to help there, you can also write to your governor or your congressman or woman and urge them to change that. There's an organization in the United States called Unchained At Last that actually does a lot of work. And on their website, you can find out what is happening in your own state, et cetera.

[Chelsea Handler]

Wonderful.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

We'll link in the description to Vow for Girls and Unchained as well.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Yes, yes.

[Podcast Host]

And thank you for being with us today and educating as Ella on this.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

I'm really grateful that you guys are using this International Day of the Girl to highlight this really important issue. And I'm very grateful to everybody who will help to make sure that girls can be girls and look right.

[Podcast Host]

That's right.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Thanks, Mabel.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks, Mabel. Bye.

[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

Bye. Bye.

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[Princess Mabel von Naranja]

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Then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra.

[Chelsea Handler]

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